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September 03, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
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Wouldn’t get too worked up over their comments, they pretty much object to any development they have input/view on

We’ve demonstrated commitment to improving current derelict historic items and retaining others, that will tick the necessary box


September 03, 2020, 11:30:32 PM
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Is this the sort of shit that suddenly sets you back 6 - 12 months?
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September 03, 2020, 11:33:27 PM
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Is this the sort of shit that suddenly sets you back 6 - 12 months?

I would imagine it can set you back if it lands on the desk of the secretary of state. Then it will depend on how quickly they look at it and how much the issue needs looking at in detail, or if it can just be overruled.


September 04, 2020, 01:55:01 AM
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The kirby plan ended up with the Secretary of state didn't it?
Not sure how long that decision process took.
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September 04, 2020, 02:24:10 AM
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Was spoiling the historic heritage of Kirby a significant factor?🙄
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September 04, 2020, 02:26:43 AM
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Was spoiling the historic heritage of Kirby a significant factor?
The protection of a species of newt was, and Everton had to agree to redirect a brook in order to appease objectors


September 04, 2020, 03:06:32 AM
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The newt was a significant factor as it's protected by law.

Fingers crossed a dirty, old, wet hole is not significant.
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September 04, 2020, 03:16:35 AM
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On a positive note, for once, the Tories don't give a fuck about heritage or history or the like. They just want money flowing through the economy and job creation so I would be hugely surprised if this gets delayed or rejected.

No problem (from me) with Historic England doing their jobs.
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September 04, 2020, 03:56:16 AM
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On a positive note, for once, the Tories don't give a fuck about heritage or history or the like. They just want money flowing through the economy and job creation so I would be hugely surprised if this gets delayed or rejected.

No problem (from me) with Historic England doing their jobs.

Used to regularly see and catch newts, kept them well in a vivarium as a kid but over the last 25 years 70% of our ponds have disappeared due to building development, agricultural policies, pollution and general ignorance of various governments regarding environmental issues.

September 04, 2020, 03:59:50 AM
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Used to regularly see and catch newts, kept them well in a vivarium as a kid but over the last 25 years 70% of our ponds have disappeared due to building development, agricultural policies, pollution and general ignorance of various governments regarding environmental issues.

Yeah I worked for the Environment Agency when the Tories came to power in 2010, and the change in regulations and lack of environmental protection overnight was frightening. Didn't stay there much longer, because I didn't want to do their bidding.
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September 04, 2020, 04:35:56 AM
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The newt was a significant factor as it's protected by law.

Fingers crossed a dirty, old, wet hole is not significant.
Hopefully we’re covered by the any hole is a goal law

September 04, 2020, 03:00:15 PM
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On a positive note, for once, the Tories don't give a fuck about heritage or history or the like. They just want money flowing through the economy and job creation so I would be hugely surprised if this gets delayed or rejected.

No problem (from me) with Historic England doing their jobs.

Yeah, but even without the political divide, if spades go into the soil in 2021, it can't come at a better time for the Liverpool economy. The metaphorical shot-in-the-arm.
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September 09, 2020, 01:19:13 AM
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To quote Historic England, "Historic England argue that Liverpool's docklands, a Unesco World Heritage Site, are the “pride” the city and “key to its global significance” and they are concerned that Everton's plans to build on the biggest of the docks in the Stanley Dock complex poses a significant threat to special character of the area."

If by "special character" they mean derelict and forgotten waste ground, untouched for 50 years, then yes, this development seriously affects it. As someone mentioned earlier, the Tories don't give flying fcuk for heritage outside of the home counties, and will certainly not derail a construction thatw ill provide a boost to the economy and so many local jobs with the current state of affairs. It will get called in and then rubber stamped.
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September 09, 2020, 03:41:49 AM
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To quote Historic England, "Historic England argue that Liverpool's docklands, a Unesco World Heritage Site, are the “pride” the city and “key to its global significance” and they are concerned that Everton's plans to build on the biggest of the docks in the Stanley Dock complex poses a significant threat to special character of the area."

If by "special character" they mean derelict and forgotten waste ground, untouched for 50 years, then yes, this development seriously affects it. As someone mentioned earlier, the Tories don't give flying fcuk for heritage outside of the home counties, and will certainly not derail a construction thatw ill provide a boost to the economy and so many local jobs with the current state of affairs. It will get called in and then rubber stamped.

The other thing that bugs me about this is the fact that it isn't unique and it has been done before.

Albert Dock has been transformed into a top city attraction and today it is a vibrant and relevant part of Liverpool.

Admittedly, their plans did not include filling the Dock in, but how many docks are there all together along the front?

Got to be 6 or 7 or something?

To have only one of them filled in for a big development that will benefit everyone in the city seems an acceptable trade to me, seeing as how there are still several other, derelict,  run-down docks for Historic England to go and hold their emo-parties in.

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September 09, 2020, 03:48:07 AM
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“key to its global significance”
“key to its global significance”, “key to its global significance”???... what about if we made something else about the city globally significant, and how much will that cost. Moshiri: hold my beer.