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Title: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Everton News on September 01, 2017, 04:48:40 AM
Moshiri: We will look to add more in January

Major Everton shareholder Farhad Moshiri says that he is happy with the squad that he has helped assemble at Goodison Park this summer.

Source: Moshiri: We will look to add more in January (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/08/moshiri-will-look-add-january/)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 01, 2017, 05:00:19 AM
2011 everybody
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 01, 2017, 05:01:02 AM
I like moshiri done a lot of good. He definitely has a bit of the kenwrights about him when he opens his mouth though.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 05:11:19 AM
Same old same old for me. It's been an absolute shambles and im questioning moshiris commitment to the cause with another fook all spend after assets have been sold.

How the funk have we not managed to conjure a suitable replacement for lukaku?

Feels like we wasted our time filling the same position 3 times but neglecting the obvious.

I also question koeman and Walsh....why havecthey not identified a forward in all this time ffs or is it no funds are available without sales ? I mentioned on another thread  that I've not been impressed with koemans transfers other than gueye and I stand by that....it all feels so scattergun with no real plan in place....i mean we 've just signed that lad after seeing him play against us in the Europa league....stinks of desperation to me.

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 01, 2017, 05:13:19 AM
2011 everybody


We were proper skint back then.

Times are vastly different.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 05:16:02 AM

We were proper skint back then.

Times are vastly different.
How are they ? We still spend fook all each window despite the sky money having gone up. I keep reading we are now a rich club but we  keep getting outspent by the likes of Palace.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 01, 2017, 05:20:40 AM

We were proper skint back then.

Times are vastly different.

So just to be clear.
You accept that 2011 was a shit transfer window and as times are now different this one can in noway be construed as a bad window then yeah?

Cause they're not comparable are the really?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Toddacelli on September 01, 2017, 05:22:06 AM
If we're already out of the Europa League by then it won;t matter anyway because we won't be able to attract anyone decent.

FFS Everton! Shoul have been working on Lukaku replacement for 2 years now - we only just held on to him last time.

Thought these days were over.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Macca77 on September 01, 2017, 05:25:05 AM
How are they ? We still spend fook all each window despite the sky money having gone up. I keep reading we are now a rich club but we  keep getting outspent by the likes of Palace.

So breaking our transfer record 3 times this summer isnt good enough then?

I honestly don't give a fuck how much money other teams spend, especially ones who always finish way below us in the League
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Realist on September 01, 2017, 05:26:21 AM

We were proper skint back then.

Times are vastly different.

How? We had players worth more to sell
Fuck Moshiri
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: everton1952 on September 01, 2017, 05:26:47 AM
I like Moshiri and I trust him, so there.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: blargins on September 01, 2017, 05:27:15 AM
Have Palace spent more than 150 million this summer then?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: blueski on September 01, 2017, 05:28:15 AM
not looking to bash him completely because he has done a lot of good things but he really needs someone to tell him to not get engaged with deadline day coverage that interview was shambolic
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: TheTone on September 01, 2017, 05:28:47 AM
any link to that Moshiri call?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 05:32:11 AM
So breaking our transfer record 3 times this summer isnt good enough then?

I honestly don't give a fuck how much money other teams spend, especially ones who always finish way below us in the League
Everyone is breaking their transfer records as prices have often doubled or more ! We also have never got 90m for one of our players....the simple fact is we are not investing much other than money we make from player sales. That you can't deny surely ?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 01, 2017, 05:32:39 AM
Not impressed with our transfers other than Gueye? Are you kidding? You not seen Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, etc play? I think people are forgetting a certain scouse boy too.

Ross has fucked us over and embarrassed us when we were all expecting great news of a top signing. Hes going to be coming back to a lot of disgruntled people on Merseyside.

Lets not forget Sandro has looked decent and comes with a bit of a pedigree and this new Croation kid is handy, so lets try and not panic just yet. Most of our business was done early and good business at that. Moshiri/Walsh now totally have one job to do in the next four months... find a proper out and out striker, and fill the gaps in defence. No excuses. It would have been good to have done that business in this window, and maybe we were just about to before Ross fucked us over, but we havent. So imo we have to get behind our lads now. Support DCL, Sandro etc. and put this embarrassment behind us.

Oh, and Fuck you Ross. How could you? Greedy, horrible none-Evertonian. Enjoy your time rotting in the reserves Rot Barkley.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 01, 2017, 05:34:16 AM
Have Palace spent more than 150 million this summer then?

Net spend is obviously a nonsense if you're doing great business and on the cheap. However I'm not sure it's the same nonsense when the window closes and you've massive holes still in your squad
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Macca77 on September 01, 2017, 05:35:16 AM
Everyone is breaking their transfer records as prices have often doubled or more ! We also have never got 90m for one of our players....the simple fact is we are not investing much other than money we make from player sales. That you can't deny surely ?

Every club apart from the so called big 4 has done that, its normal.

Who's to say we havent made other huge bids for players?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: gizzblue on September 01, 2017, 05:39:32 AM
I for one am thrilled to bits we didn't go off half cocked spending 40/50 mill on the likes of fucking Troy Deeney (panic buying) ...unlike some on here .im well bouyed we got rid of all the Martinez shite and bettered the squad no end .

But fuck it we didn't waste millions  win win ......
I will still be shouting till I'm  horse at every game for the blue boys ...come on DCL show these douting fucks who's a class striker ...still think we will score more than Lukaku .
In Moshiri we trust 😅
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: bigac on September 01, 2017, 05:41:35 AM
Lets hope Giroud will have found a new mrs by January.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 05:44:00 AM
Not impressed with our transfers other than Gueye? Are you kidding? You not seen Pickford, Keane, Schneiderlin, etc play? I think people are forgetting a certain scouse boy too.

Ross has fucked us over and embarrassed us when we were all expecting great news of a top signing. Hes going to be coming back to a lot of disgruntled people on Merseyside.

Lets not forget Sandro has looked decent and comes with a bit of a pedigree and this new Croation kid is handy, so lets try and not panic just yet. Most of our business was done early and good business at that. Moshiri/Walsh now totally have one job to do in the next four months... find a proper out and out striker, and fill the gaps in defence. No excuses. It would have been good to have done that business in this window, and maybe we were just about to before Ross fucked us over, but we havent. So imo we have to get behind our lads now. Support DCL, Sandro etc. and put this embarrassment behind us.

Oh, and Fuck you Ross. How could you? Greedy, horrible none-Evertonian. Enjoy your time rotting in the reserves Rot Barkley.
Without going through each signing individually as have done previously I stand by my opinion that out starting 11 is not much better than before the window.

Agree with your comments on the next four months but surely this should have been addressed in the last 4 ?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 01, 2017, 06:11:30 AM
So just to be clear.
You accept that 2011 was a shit transfer window and as times are now different this one can in noway be construed as a bad window then yeah?

Cause they're not comparable are the really?

It's all relative.

This window is bad because we failed in our main objective which was to replace Lukaku as best we can.

Yes we've signed some terrific players and that is a massive positive but overall we've failed.

This was the opportunity to close the gap on our rivals. That ain't gonna happen is it. We're back to treading water again which is where we were for the back end of Moyes tenure. The best of the rest.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: fubarruk on September 01, 2017, 07:40:09 AM
Sorry but it's just words, ultimately we've failed massively.

We knew Lukaku was leaving 6 months ago and we've not replaced him, simple fact, all other signings are irrelevant, we failed in our biggest and most important task of the summer.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Jamokachi on September 01, 2017, 07:54:12 AM
Sorry but it's just words, ultimately we've failed massively.

We knew Lukaku was leaving 6 months ago and we've not replaced him, simple fact, all other signings are irrelevant, we failed in our biggest and most important task of the summer.

How are all other signing "irrelevant"?!

Utter fucking cockwombles in here at the moment, take your heads for a collective wobble. Fuck.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Ramjam on September 01, 2017, 08:51:15 AM
Let's hope DCL does for us what Kane does for the bridesmaids, He's got that lean hungry look about him and is eager to impress and do well for the team, we might be already sitting on our Lukaku replacement, who knows
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: bluenuck on September 01, 2017, 10:52:05 AM
He shouldn't do interviews.

And last time I checked he can't force players that don't play for us to play for us. If they don't want to come here how can people blame him? And last time I checked wasn't it bill and steve Walsh leading the transfer business?

All moshiri has done is opened his cheque book. Ya, what a douche...
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on September 01, 2017, 12:59:11 PM
Here we go.....roll the excuses out. Good luck in finding a striker in January which will make a difference.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: bluenuck on September 01, 2017, 01:18:17 PM
Here we go.....roll the excuses out. Good luck in finding a striker in January which will make a difference.

18 friggin months he's been here.

You this quick with women as well?

Let me guess. You're gonna reply with "only yours".  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Macca77 on September 01, 2017, 01:30:53 PM
Its gone very fubar on here hasn't it
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: School of Science on September 01, 2017, 01:33:02 PM
Lets hope Giroud will have found a new mrs by January.

And I can have the old one   :tongue:
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Toffee1 on September 01, 2017, 01:41:05 PM
Its gone very fubar on here hasn't it

Bit SNAFU as well but that is Everton for you.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: fubarruk on September 01, 2017, 01:47:04 PM
How are all other signing "irrelevant"?!

Utter fucking cockwombles in here at the moment, take your heads for a collective wobble. Fuck.
You go to work, are given one thing that you absolutely have to do and a deadline to do it , given plenty of notice and all the tools you need to get it done. Deadline passes and you've not done it, despite the other work you've done, boss is tearing you a new arsehole...
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on September 01, 2017, 01:58:23 PM
Here we go.....roll the excuses out. Good luck in finding a striker in January which will make a difference.

Yes hes been here 18 months and he's changed many things for the good. However, the one big hole which needed to filled was a striker. That was paramount. There wasn't as much of a need for Klaassen or Sigurdsson. We seem to fall short a player or two every transfer window. Something is not quite right with our recruitment process.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: ally2 on September 01, 2017, 02:05:22 PM
You go to work, are given one thing that you absolutely have to do

That wasn't the case though. There were far more important things to do, and we did them.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: GLewis on September 01, 2017, 02:09:04 PM
That wasn't the case though. There were far more important things to do, and we did them.

It's debatable between keeper and striker as to what the most important thing was.

All the other signings aren't invalidated but to not get a striker was a big miss.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 02:12:45 PM
It's debatable between keeper and striker as to what the most important thing was.

All the other signings aren't invalidated but to not get a striker was a big miss.
Let's face it a striker was more important than a go a goalkeeper
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: GLewis on September 01, 2017, 02:17:07 PM
Let's face it a striker was more important than a go a goalkeeper

Only if you under appreciate goalkeepers ;)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Escla on September 01, 2017, 02:18:15 PM
How are all other signing "irrelevant"?!

Utter fucking cockwombles in here at the moment, take your heads for a collective wobble. Fuck.

Just wish they would all shut the fuck up untill January and come back then if we are not in the top 6.
when I say "all" come back that doesn't include the recently joined obvious kopite wums
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lazarou on September 01, 2017, 02:23:52 PM
Let's face it a striker was more important than a go a goalkeeper

We have brought in two strikers though? And we got one of the best young goalkeepers available. Not exactly a crisis.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 02:25:46 PM
Just wish they would all shut the fuck up untill January and come back then if we are not in the top 6.
when I say "all" come back that doesn't include the recently joined obvious kopite wums
To be fair is this not a forum where people can debate all things Everton regardless of opinion ? Why is it that if someone disagrees with you or dares to question the Goodison hierarchy they are wums or even worse kopites ?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
We have brought in two strikers though? And we got one of the best young goalkeepers available. Not exactly a crisis.
So you honestly believe that having a legless Rooney, sandro and dcl are enough for a push on the top 4, the cups and europa ?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Escla on September 01, 2017, 02:31:25 PM
To be fair is this not a forum where people can debate all things Everton regardless of opinion ? Why is it that if someone disagrees with you or dares to question the Goodison hierarchy they are wums or even worse kopites ?
Of course it's a forum for debate but, and this is not aimed at you personally, when a poster endlessly posts absolutely nothing other than dammning, scathing, negative posts it's just fucking tedious and I wish they would hold fire untill we are failing miserably in January, then I have no issue with it but as an example to say "all of our signings have been shit apart from Gueye" is just plain stupid and suggests it's just a wind up.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lazarou on September 01, 2017, 02:32:09 PM
So you honestly believe that having a legless Rooney, sandro and dcl are enough for a push on the top 4, the cups and europa ?

No but I never thought we would be top 4 this season. You have to remember where we are coming from compared to the top 4/6. Never played in the Champions League, small stadium we did not have a pot to piss in 18 months ago. It will take time.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 02:37:34 PM
Of course it's a forum for debate but, and this is not aimed at you personally, when a poster endlessly posts absolutely nothing other than dammning, scathing, negative posts it's just fucking tedious and I wish they would hold fire untill we are failing miserably in January, then I have no issue with it but as an example to say "all of our signings have been shit apart from Gueye" is just plain stupid and suggests it's just a wind up.
You also have to consider the time a poster joins  the forum surely ? Inbetween a very poor Chelsea loss where we didn't look in the same league and a terrible end to a transfer window where we did not complete the most glaring of objectives. In the period I've been on this forum there has been no realpositives to write about however ill be happy to jump on the happy bandwagon when theres something to smile about  :)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: dangermouse on September 01, 2017, 02:42:28 PM
To be fair is this not a forum where people can debate all things Everton regardless of opinion ? Why is it that if someone disagrees with you or dares to question the Goodison hierarchy they are wums or even worse kopites ?

Not really.... some people have unrealistic expectations and I have no problem with those people being told that is the case....
People have opinions and sometimes they are uninformed or just flat out wrong. The fact that you believe it doesn’t make it any more valid or worthwhile, and nobody owes your viewpoint any respect simply because it is yours.

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 02:47:01 PM
No but I never thought we would be top 4 this season. You have to remember where we are coming from compared to the top 4/6. Never played in the Champions League, small stadium we did not have a pot to piss in 18 months ago. It will take time.
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I understand what you are saying but we have an opportunity now surely ? With a proper top quality striker and a bit of pace  we could have had a go....by not we 've almost accepted that's it's not possible. Agree 18 months ago we had nowt but in reality the recruitment hasn't changed in that it's sell to buy with minimal net spend which is contry to what we were told about there being significant funds available. Let's not forget that if barkley had gone through we d have been in profit again. Same old same old for the last 18 months I'm afraid.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Escla on September 01, 2017, 02:53:04 PM
You also have to consider the time a poster joins  the forum surely ? Inbetween a very poor Chelsea loss where we didn't look in the same league and a terrible end to a transfer window where we did not complete the most glaring of objectives. In the period I've been on this forum there has been no realpositives to write about however ill be happy to jump on the happy bandwagon when theres something to smile about  :)

Well if you had joined when we had Richard Wright in goal, Per Kroldrup at CB,Hottinger at RB, Nyarko as midfield dynamo (when he wasn't telling the fans to fuck off) and goal ace Brett Angell up top you would be doing cartwheels right now. nod
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 02:56:00 PM
Not really.... some people have unrealistic expectations and I have no problem with those people being told that is the case....
People have opinions and sometimes they are uninformed or just flat out wrong. The fact that you believe it doesn’t make it any more valid or worthwhile, and nobody owes your viewpoint any respect simply because it is yours.
I don't think anyone gives a monkey's about other posters respect do they ? Surely all about debate.

Let's bring this back a little....the major point raised by the 'wums' is that we have failed to land a striker when needed..... for me this is not debatable and I would be more concerned that fans are accepting of this rather than questioning it.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 03:00:31 PM
Well if you had joined when we had Richard Wright in goal, Per Kroldrup at CB,Hottinger at RB, Nyarko as midfield dynamo (when he wasn't telling the fans to fuck off) and goal ace Brett Angell up top you would be doing cartwheels right now. nod
Bloody right.

The point I am making is that people questioning the hierarchy of the club dordnt make them any less of a supporter. For example i bet when Martinez was here some were probably supporting him and some were probably slagging him off....neither were more or less supporters but the negative posters would have been correct on that occasion however I assume they were called wums and kopites etc ?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: dangermouse on September 01, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
I don't think anyone gives a monkey's about other posters respect do they ? Surely all about debate.

Let's bring this back a little....the major point raised by the 'wums' is that we have failed to land a striker when needed..... for me this is not debatable and I would be more concerned that fans are accepting of this rather than questioning it.

Well a debate this isnt. You dont win a debate by repeating yourself over and over. If you offer no additional information or basis for your argument the debate is over. At this point you just start pissing people off and you will quite rightly be called out for it.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Escla on September 01, 2017, 03:04:02 PM
Bloody right.

The point I am making is that people questioning the hierarchy of the club dordnt make them any less of a supporter. For example i bet when Martinez was here some were probably supporting him and some were probably slagging him off....neither were more or less supporters but the negative posters would have been correct on that occasion however I assume they were called wums and kopites etc ?

Like I said , open season on the Hierarchy and management if we are failing miserably in January but not after two games regardless of whether we have signed a striker or not.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 03:06:31 PM
Like I said , open season on the Hierarchy and management if we are failing miserably in January but not after two games regardless of whether we have signed a striker or not.
Your opinion which is fair enough. Ill agree to disagree.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: oscar on September 01, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
How fucked would we be without him now
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Escla on September 01, 2017, 03:08:16 PM
You can't "agree to disagree" unless the other party also does so  :snigger:
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lincs Toffee on September 01, 2017, 03:09:41 PM
I may be guessing here, but I think we may have actually had strikers lined up to replace Rom, now for one reason or not they have decided not to join us, how can that be the fault of Moshiri/Walsh/Koeman or Kenwright. We can't force people to come here, we can offer them what appears to be an attractive future with a club that is only going in one direction and a decent salary too and that's about it.
I am sure if we wanted a 'striker' we could have easily gotten one, but why waste money on an ill fitting piece of an almost complete jigsaw?
We have 4 months now to try and find those few remaining pieces and I'm sure that enquiries will be made sooner rather than later...I am more than happy we haven't spunked away millions on a Troy Deeney type player, although also gutted we didn't find our Giroud, but I am sure we will and until then I will get behind whatever 11 is on the pitch.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 03:10:26 PM
You can't "agree to disagree" unless the other party also does so  :snigger:
Not saying you can but I'm judtvsaying I'm prepared to  ;D
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: sam of the south on September 01, 2017, 03:10:45 PM
How fucked would we be without him now

That's a very good point.

Probably still with Martinez at the helm, no money, mid to lower half of table, no Lukaku or Stones, but maybe still Barkley and Deulofeu.

Awww, a happy Barkley and a loveable but unproductive Deulofeu  :hug:
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Waltzer on September 01, 2017, 03:22:37 PM
How fucked would we be without him now

I find this difficult to answer as there are pros and cons. He has had an influence on the club but im yet to see anywhere were his contributions havent directly benefited him as much as the club. To summarise:

Hes cleared off our debt, but thats with a personal loan to himself, so he hasnt really cleared the debt
Hes secured a new ground, with no funding from himself, he just has the collateral and contacts to make this happen
He bought the Liverbird building, then filled it with the new sponsor that he got for the club

Dont get me wrong I think the above is great for the club and will help us in the long run immensely and without him we wouldnt be in such a good position, but I think we need to accept he isnt as rich as we hoped, he isnt going to plough millions of his own wealth into us, as indicated in the transfer market as our net spend (and yes I know that annoys people) isnt any bigger than under Kenwright, who by his own admission doesnt really have any money.

Moshiri is first and foremost a business man and we are very much being ran like a business which is great for stability, but I was hoping for a big fat oligarch to propel us to the next level and im unsure if we will get there with him as the majority shareholder?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Martip on September 01, 2017, 03:25:35 PM
I find this difficult to answer as there are pros and cons. He has had an influence on the club but im yet to see anywhere were his contributions havent directly benefited him as much as the club. To summarise:

Hes cleared off our debt, but thats with a personal loan to himself, so he hasnt really cleared the debt
Hes secured a new ground, with no funding from himself, he just has the collateral and contacts to make this happen
He bought the Liverbird building, then filled it with the new sponsor that he got for the club

Dont get me wrong I think the above is great for the club and will help us in the long run immensely and without him we wouldnt be in such a good position, but I think we need to accept he isnt as rich as we hoped, he isnt going to plough millions of his own wealth into us, as indicated in the transfer market as our net spend (and yes I know that annoys people) isnt any bigger than under Kenwright, who by his own admission doesnt really have any money.

Moshiri is first and foremost a business man and we are very much being ran like a business which is great for stability, but I was hoping for a big fat oligarch to propel us to the next level and im unsure if we will get there with him as the majority shareholder?
Spot on imo
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: TheTone on September 01, 2017, 05:01:59 PM
Embarrassing going on the telly like that, twice now

Fucking celebrity owner
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Ross on September 01, 2017, 05:10:46 PM
Only if you under appreciate goalkeepers ;)

But when you still got the same goalkeeper that had the 5th best clean sheet record in the league on the books but no longer have the second top scorer available to you it's pretty obvious where the priorities lay.

Or at least it should be.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lxxx on September 01, 2017, 05:23:56 PM
I find this difficult to answer as there are pros and cons. He has had an influence on the club but im yet to see anywhere were his contributions havent directly benefited him as much as the club. To summarise:

Hes cleared off our debt, but thats with a personal loan to himself, so he hasnt really cleared the debt
Hes secured a new ground, with no funding from himself, he just has the collateral and contacts to make this happen
He bought the Liverbird building, then filled it with the new sponsor that he got for the club

Dont get me wrong I think the above is great for the club and will help us in the long run immensely and without him we wouldnt be in such a good position, but I think we need to accept he isnt as rich as we hoped, he isnt going to plough millions of his own wealth into us, as indicated in the transfer market as our net spend (and yes I know that annoys people) isnt any bigger than under Kenwright, who by his own admission doesnt really have any money.

Moshiri is first and foremost a business man and we are very much being ran like a business which is great for stability, but I was hoping for a big fat oligarch to propel us to the next level and im unsure if we will get there with him as the majority shareholder?

There still time for the fat, fairy oligarchmother to come in and join the board. The guy who only happens to sponsor the training ground. It's not like they're not out there and already connected to the club.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 01, 2017, 06:15:14 PM
It's all relative.

This window is bad because we failed in our main objective which was to replace Lukaku as best we can.

Yes we've signed some terrific players and that is a massive positive but overall we've failed.

This was the opportunity to close the gap on our rivals. That ain't gonna happen is it. We're back to treading water again which is where we were for the back end of Moyes tenure. The best of the rest.

this is the thing that had got to me, we did well at the start of the transfer window, but it feels like i/we've been here countless times before (during the Moyes era) only needed to get 1 or 2 players to make us challengers for something.

its like the board are scared or just dont want to achieve what the fans want. i dont know how many transfer windows ive seen pass us by thinking this was the chance of closing the gap on our rivals.

i hope we're not abysmal to watch.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 01, 2017, 06:20:04 PM
Got to admit here, im a little worried. Not just the lack of a striker, but the embarrassment of the sky sports interview. Why cant we stay quiet and just get our business done without it becoming some excuse ridden circus??

I dont like Moshiri giving interviews like Kenwright used to. Just fucking keep quiet. Let the club do our talking on the pitch.

Anyway, trying to tell myself, if we got all the players in yesterday, we would be over the moon. So perspective needed.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 01, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
A striker is an absolute must and a big money one at that ( Jan or June ) . Henry has failed to find the net in 4 attempts at Anderlecht and it is fair to assume he would be nowhere near ready for the Prem even next season . We don't really need anything more than a striker as we have enough to cope at the back but not up top .
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: GLewis on September 01, 2017, 07:27:07 PM
But when you still got the same goalkeeper that had the 5th best clean sheet record in the league on the books but no longer have the second top scorer available to you it's pretty obvious where the priorities lay.

Or at least it should be.

I could see the argument for having a good defence despite having Robles in it.

But we needed a top keeper as well.

It shouldn't be a case of either or and given that Pickford was signed months ago, clearly it wasn't because we were looking at keepers all summer.

The issue was not having a back up plan to Giroud.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 01, 2017, 07:34:07 PM
A striker is an absolute must and a big money one at that ( Jan or June ) . Henry has failed to find the net in 4 attempts at Anderlecht and it is fair to assume he would be nowhere near ready for the Prem even next season . We don't really need anything more than a striker as we have enough to cope at the back but not up top .

Nice tracking of a loanee Rodenplav64 cheers, any more details on where he's been playing etc?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: mikey_blue on September 01, 2017, 07:48:02 PM
Maybe by january Giroud will get fucked off playing 20 mins a game and have to put on his big boy pants, tell his missus that there's decent shops in L1 and that they're moving to Liverpool.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 01, 2017, 07:49:48 PM
And hes another 6 months older. Surely between now and January we can find a decent target man, somewhere in the entire world. Maybe even fucking Super Walsh can manage that at least.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Macca77 on September 01, 2017, 07:54:44 PM
Maybe by january Giroud will get fucked off playing 20 mins a game and have to put on his big boy pants, tell his missus that there's decent shops in L1 and that they're moving to Liverpool.

Take her to the Met Quarter, that will seal the deal
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 01, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
She will be happy with anywhere, as shes been regularly taken up the arsenal, for the past few years. ;)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 01, 2017, 07:58:41 PM
Take her to the Met Quarter, that will seal the deal

Thus far we've offered a hug from Bally and a bit of ram-style finger blasting.

Other NSNO welcome commitee suggestion are encouraged.

She's still undecided.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Realist on September 01, 2017, 08:00:18 PM
Makes me laugh people saying well a few years ago we signed Pistone or Kroldrup
Guess what that was before the TV money exploded so it's a pointless statement
How much does a premier league club get now from the broadcasters?

I'm shocked that people are happy to accept the crap window we've just had

Lukaku was known to be leaving a long time ago, not getting a replacement is pathetic

That knob doing that interview hasn't helped & as for getting a striker in January! Guess what.... the season may already be dead by then
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 01, 2017, 08:12:35 PM
Mate, everyone here will understand your frustration. Most of us feel a level of it too. But in all honesty, yes, we should have replaced Lukaku, or rather added to the strikers we already have with a more number 9 type striker, but we have actually had a very good window. Imagine, if last night, at 10:30 Uncle Jim would have said, "and news just in from Merseyside... Everton have just signed Pickford, Keane, Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Rooney and Vlasic for £140 million odd to add to several excellent young players already added to the squad." But because nothing major happened late, it seems like a damp squib. But there is no denying, we have had an excellent window - shite last day, but an excellent window. We have four months now to get a target striker (assuming we dont do REALLY well with what we have in the next few months!), and if we dont, then I will be behind you moaning at Moshiri, but come on - be a bit more realistic and truthful with facts and less so fucking consistently depressing :)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Escla on September 01, 2017, 08:18:13 PM
Makes me laugh people saying well a few years ago we signed Pistone or Kroldrup
Guess what that was before the TV money exploded so it's a pointless statement
How much does a premier league club get now from the broadcasters?

I'm shocked that people are happy to accept the crap window we've just had

Lukaku was known to be leaving a long time ago, not getting a replacement is pathetic

That knob doing that interview hasn't helped & as for getting a striker in January! Guess what.... the season may already be dead by then

Same ol,,,,same ol...
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Macca77 on September 01, 2017, 08:25:19 PM
Thus far we've offered a hug from Bally and a bit of ram-style finger blasting.

Other NSNO welcome commitee suggestion are encouraged.

She's still undecided.

How about a spit roast followed by a nice golden shower?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 01, 2017, 08:28:06 PM
Mate, everyone here will understand your frustration. Most of us feel a level of it too. But in all honesty, yes, we should have replaced Lukaku, or rather added to the strikers we already have with a more number 9 type striker, but we have actually had a very good window. Imagine, if last night, at 10:30 Uncle Jim would have said, "and news just in from Merseyside... Everton have just signed Pickford, Keane, Klaassen, Sigurdsson and Rooney and Vlasic for £140 million odd to add to several excellent young players already added to the squad." But because nothing major happened late, it seems like a damp squib. But there is no denying, we have had an excellent window - shite last day, but an excellent window. We have four months now to get a target striker (assuming we dont do REALLY well with what we have in the next few months!), and if we dont, then I will be behind you moaning at Moshiri, but come on - be a bit more realistic and truthful with facts and less so fucking consistently depressing :)

i would have wondered why we had 4 if not 5 number 10's (4 bought this window) i would wonder where they would play. i would wonder where the pace would come from, as number tens usually play balls through to others, i would wonder if DCL could be play all season with out getting burnt out, then id wonder if we could play Keane as a number 9, as we have no one else to hold the ball up if DCL gets injured.

dont get me wrong. i love we have Sandro,Klaassan,Rooney,Siggy but the new croatian plus Barkley are all basically the same type of player, how can we even fit them into a system with no one running from deep, and if the central striker is always on the right wing?, Rooney and Sandro both run back into midfield looking for the ball,, we wont be able to stretch teams or play through them, thus nullifying having 3 number 10's on the pitch at the same time...

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: mikey_blue on September 01, 2017, 08:32:00 PM
People are acting like we're the only team In the premiership without a complete squad.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: GLewis on September 01, 2017, 08:37:38 PM
People are acting like we're the only team In the premiership without a complete squad.

Yes but most of them have a type of player who is seemingly key to their manager / coach's preferred tactical system.

We have what looks like a promising set of forwards / attacking midfielders but to get the best out of them we need a proper central striker.

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 01, 2017, 08:42:37 PM
Yes but most of them have a type of player who is seemingly key to their manager / coach's preferred tactical system.

We have what looks like a promising set of forwards / attacking midfielders but to get the best out of them we need a proper central striker.



The lynchpin.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lxxx on September 01, 2017, 08:44:50 PM
People are acting like we're the only team In the premiership without a complete squad.
Everton is the only team we're arsed about though. I couldn't give a shit if Palace haven't got a back up to Benteke for example, I'm only bothered about what we've got, or haven't, as the case may be.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 01, 2017, 08:47:28 PM
...we have Sandro,Klaassan,Rooney,Siggy but the new croatian plus Barkley are all basically the same type of player, how can we even fit them into a system with no one running from deep, and if the central striker is always on the right wing?, Rooney and Sandro both run back into midfield looking for the ball,, we wont be able to stretch teams or play through them, thus nullifying having 3 number 10's on the pitch at the same time...



Vlasic is more of a versatile winger.
DCL is still a bit of an unknown, but his size will make him more of a number 9 in the long run I reckon.
Rooney drifts from 9, 8, 10
Klaassen, again, we dont really know much of, but for Ajax yes, he could be considered a number 10, but again floats about a bit, but can do a job in mid too.
Sigurdsson I would say is a number 10, that has played central, but also wider (generally mid to left to front).

A good player is a good player, and we will often play most of them together and we should. I hate to use the comparison, but Liverpool play with a million midfielders and it works very well for them, Barcelona, the Spain team played for a year with very rarely an out and out striker, but with often 5 or 6 mids. Its not what you pigeon hole a player to be, but how good the player is, and if playing them adds to the quality of the "team".

Vlasic, Bolasi, Kev, Lennon, Baines and Coleman bombing on, DCL played wide - we do have a bit of width/pace, our problem is, we very rarely exploit it, as its obviously drilled into the team to stay tight and progress through mid, which says more about our managers tactical approach than our team.

Im totally behind Ronald, and will give him time, but if you were to put our current squad in the hands of a Sir Alex, it would be a TOTALLY different playstyle, with the same players, no doubt, in a four four two, with our back four, schnieds OR gana in the middle as a stopper - Rooney or Sigurdsson in the Scholes hole, and two of DCL, Rooney up top, with proper chalky boot width coming from a Bolasi/Vlasic/Sandro wide left, and Kev/Bolasi/Lennon wide right, overlapping with our full backs - a la Baines/Pienaar (on both sides) 2 out and out strikers, one linker, one def mid and a solid 4 that NEVER changes in front of a fucking excellent keeper.

Pickford


Coleman ---------- Keane ---------- Jags ---------- Baines


Gana or Schneiderlin
Sandro -------------------------------------------------- Vlasic
Sigurdsson or MS


Rooney or GS ----------
------------------ DCL or WR


With the "wide mids" being wingers rather than "midfielders" and the "forwards" being "strikers" rather than all ACMs running around like headless chickens.

With the same players, we will no doubt be something like:

Pickford


Coleman ---------- Keane ---------- Jags ---------- Baines


Gana ------ Schneiderlin
Sigurdsson
Vlasic or Sandro --- DCL --- Rooney


...and no doubt play are more centric, less stretching game. I think we need to mix it up a bit.

However, Koeman knows his stuff, and if it all comes off, Im sure we will do well, but he has to be backed up by our chairman, and all this fannying around within the club has top stop.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: blueToffee on September 01, 2017, 08:50:17 PM
Between Rooney, Barkley, and mishandling of the window it's doesn't feel like we're getting great forward momentum going into this season. It's shame, feels like we fumbled the opportunity and the worst thing is I'm not sure where the disfunction is coming from.

The window in particular and the often "safe" or known signings make me really wonder about the working relationship between Koeman and Walsh.

This Vlasic signing in particular is curious to me. Did it purely come about from us playing Split? You'd assume so at this point. Koeman saw him and liked him and we got him in quickly. You'd have to imagine Walsh would've given plenty of options for that position though if that was a need we wanted to fill. Along with Rooney, Klaasen, Keane and Pickford all players Koeman has seen with enough regularity. Is this why we were so focused on Giroud? Koeman knew him and rated him but didn't trust other names from the continent that Walsh was offering up perhaps?

Full of conjecture that last point, but it just seems a tad odd to me.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 01, 2017, 08:50:27 PM
You are now seeing why some of us said we should move heaven and earth to keep Romelu for as long as we possibly could (and I think we would have squeezed out one more year if at all feasible).  The people who said it would be no big deal replacing him were always fucking nuttier than a shithouse rat.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 01, 2017, 08:51:18 PM
Makes me laugh people saying well a few years ago we signed Pistone or Kroldrup
Guess what that was before the TV money exploded so it's a pointless statement
How much does a premier league club get now from the broadcasters?

I'm shocked that people are happy to accept the crap window we've just had

Lukaku was known to be leaving a long time ago, not getting a replacement is pathetic

That knob doing that interview hasn't helped & as for getting a striker in January! Guess what.... the season may already be dead by then

You've got a point whinging now, and I hold my hands up as well, it has proved correct we failed to end the window exactly where we wanted.

Better off to focus on some of the positives now, there is no choice but to accept the outcome and move on :thumbsup:

Agreed the interview was a bit too much spin for my liking but I suppose he had the courage to go on TV and face the music!
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 01, 2017, 08:57:49 PM
Makes me laugh people saying well a few years ago we signed Pistone or Kroldrup
Guess what that was before the TV money exploded so it's a pointless statement
How much does a premier league club get now from the broadcasters?
It's all releative. We were getting many, many millions of pounds back then as well.

I'm shocked that people are happy to accept the crap window we've just had
It wasn't a crap window by any stretch of the imagination. But it does have to go down as an opportunity missed (at best) or a failure (at worst). Failure =/= crap though

Lukaku was known to be leaving a long time ago, not getting a replacement is pathetic
Yes. Even if there is an argument that we didn't know for certain till the last minute - he still left at the start of the window so it is massively questionable as to why there was no replacement at all.

That knob doing that interview hasn't helped & as for getting a striker in January! Guess what.... the season may already be dead by then
Depends what you mean by dead. If you mean our chances of winning the league are over then they probably will be. But we'll still be hoping for cup results to free up league places into Europe.
Of a bigger concern for January is how much harder it is to buy good/important players. If we haven't been able to do that for 3 windows on the trot i'm not confident we will do it in the 4th.

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 01, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
Nice tracking of a loanee Rodenplav64 cheers, any more details on where he's been playing etc?
3 starts and 1 sub , 3 upfront and 1 on the left in a 3 up top . Obviously he was one for the future and hopefully Sandro gets sharper with games . Rooney is good for 10-15 and Sigurdsson maybe 10 but what he bags might be at the expense of Rooney as Rooney drops deeper the older he gets and Sigs goals tend to come from deep or dead balls . Lewandowski in a bank breaker .
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: kramer0 on September 01, 2017, 09:17:22 PM
I don't think the blame should be placed entirely on Walsh, although he still deserves plenty of it. Koeman likes to talk about how he doesn't get involved in transfers but what he means is that he doesn't get involved in negotiations. It's been confirmed that both he and Walsh have to agree on targets and we've heard Koeman say, on multiple occasions, that he wants experienced players (age 27+) who are productive in terms of goals and assists (for attackers, at least). My point being that, if Koeman says he wants a target man, I don't think Walsh has free reign to sign any target man that he and his scouting team like - he has to get Koeman to agree and Koeman has very specific standards. It's hard to find affordable/attainable forwards, and undervalued players in general, when the manager's criteria is based on past levels of performance.

Our summer signings in attack:

Klaassen - Scored 10+ goals and had nearly 10 assists the past two seasons. Ajax captain despite relative youth.
Sandro - Scored 14 goals last season but there was at least one report that Koeman still needed convincing. Young.
Onyekuru - Joint top scorer in Belgium. Young, but was never going to play here this season (work permit).
Rooney - Tons of goals and assists over a long career, even if he didn't get many last season.
Sigurdsson - The poster child for Koeman's criteria.
Vlasic - Young, not a great goalscoring record. Is it a coincidence that we only signed him after playing against him twice?

We paid for plenty of past productivity and it may well work out but I think our attacking recruitment has been hamstrung by focusing on players who are experienced and "proven." That's not a very big market to shop in, and it's not a great market for us because most of the players who fit the criteria are already at bigger clubs or are angling for moves to bigger clubs. There's certainly value to be gained from looking at proven players who want out of a big club for more playing time - Mata last summer, Giroud this summer - but, as we've seen, these deals aren't so straightforward and we've missed out on adding crucial players the past two summers because we spent too much time chasing sexy names.

I don't know why we're being so narrow-minded about what attacking players we sign but, considering that Walsh played a big role in bringing relative unknowns like Mahrez, Knockaert, Vardy, and Kramaric (who has been great since moving to Hoffenheim) to Leicester, I'm skeptical that it's his influence. Obviously, I can only guess as to what's happening in the backroom and this is all speculation, but it feels like Koeman is hampering our recruitment by being picky about new players, especially attackers. Walsh needs to take some risks, especially in the forward areas where unearthing a gem can pay massive dividends, and if Koeman won't sign off on these types of players, Walsh needs to figure out a way to convince him.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 01, 2017, 09:31:30 PM
I don't think the blame should be placed entirely on Walsh, although he still deserves plenty of it. Koeman likes to talk about how he doesn't get involved in transfers but what he means is that he doesn't get involved in negotiations. It's been confirmed that both he and Walsh have to agree on targets and we've heard Koeman say, on multiple occasions, that he wants experienced players (age 27+) who are productive in terms of goals and assists (for attackers, at least). My point being that, if Koeman says he wants a target man, I don't think Walsh has free reign to sign any target man that he and his scouting team like - he has to get Koeman to agree and Koeman has very specific standards. It's hard to find affordable/attainable forwards, and undervalued players in general, when the manager's criteria is partly based on past levels of performance.

Our summer signings in attack:

Klaassen - Scored 10+ goals and had nearly 10 assists the past two seasons. Ajax captain despite relative youth.
Sandro - Scored 14 goals last season but there was at least one report that Koeman still needed convincing. Young.
Onyekuru - Joint top scorer in Belgium. Young, but was never going to play here this season (work permit).
Rooney - Tons of goals and assists over a long career, even if he didn't get many last season.
Sigurdsson - The poster child for Koeman's criteria.
Vlasic - Young, not a great goalscoring record. Is it a coincidence that we signed him after playing against him twice?

We paid for plenty of past productivity and it may well work out but I think our attacking recruitment has been hamstrung by focusing on players who are experienced and "proven." That's not a very big market to shop in, and it's not a great market for us because most of the players who fit the criteria are already at bigger clubs or are angling for moves to bigger clubs. There's certainly value to be gained from looking at proven players who want out of a big club for more playing time - Mata last summer, Giroud this summer - but, as we've seen, these deals aren't so straightforward and we've missed out on adding crucial players the past two summers because we spent too much time chasing sexy names.

I don't know why we're being so narrow-minded about what attacking players we sign but, considering that Walsh played a big role in bringing relative unknowns like Mahrez, Knockaert, Vardy, and Kramaric (who has been great since moving to Hoffenheim) to Leicester, I'm skeptical that it's his influence. Obviously, I can only guess as to what's happening in the backroom and this is all speculation, but it often feels like Koeman is hampering our recruitment by being picky about new players, especially attackers. Walsh needs to take some risks, especially in the forward areas where unearthing a gem can pay massive dividends, and if Koeman won't sign off on these types of players, Walsh needs to figure out a way to convince him.

Forget about worries re Koeman leaving, I worry that Walsh will get fed up with Koeman and leave.  That would be truly devastating.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Toddacelli on September 01, 2017, 09:34:47 PM

Im totally behind Ronald, and will give him time, but if you were to put our current squad in the hands of a Sir Alex, it would be a TOTALLY different playstyle, with the same players, no doubt, in a four four two, with our back four, schnieds OR gana in the middle as a stopper - Rooney or Sigurdsson in the Scholes hole, and two of DCL, Rooney up top, with proper chalky boot width coming from a Bolasi/Vlasic/Sandro wide left, and Kev/Bolasi/Lennon wide right, overlapping with our full backs - a la Baines/Pienaar (on both sides) 2 out and out strikers, one linker, one def mid and a solid 4 that NEVER changes in front of a fucking excellent keeper.


"proper chalky boot width" has made my day.

I will use this phrase till the day I die.

Thank you sir.
 
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: School of Science on September 01, 2017, 09:45:48 PM
It's not just Koeman and Walsh who seem to have their wires crossed. I am starting to think there are divisions between Moshiri and Koeman and there is only going to be one winner there.

Admittedly this is only going off that ridiculous interview Moshiri gave last night, Moshiri stated that they had had a change of mind over getting in another striker and look in the January window if that had to change again.

That was in stark contradiction to Koeman stating that we need another forward and another centre half, instead we got another midfielder. The mention of Barkley, Moshiri added we were already overloaded in the number 10 position.
Me thinks all may not be right behind the scenes.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: blueToffee on September 01, 2017, 09:59:23 PM
It's not just Koeman and Walsh who seem to have their wires crossed. I am starting to think there are divisions between Moshiri and Koeman and there is only going to be one winner there.

Admittedly this is only going off that ridiculous interview Moshiri gave last night, Moshiri stated that they had had a change of mind over getting in another striker and look in the January window if that had to change again.

That was in stark contradiction to Koeman stating that we need another forward and another centre half, instead we got another midfielder. The mention of Barkley, Moshiri added we were already overloaded in the number 10 position.
Me thinks all may not be right behind the scenes.

There are lots of odd little threads here in terms of what people say in public and indeed the actions we've taken in terms of recruitment of players.

Doesn't give the appearance of everyone pulling in the same direction.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lxxx on September 01, 2017, 10:04:34 PM
It's not just Koeman and Walsh who seem to have their wires crossed. I am starting to think there are divisions between Moshiri and Koeman and there is only going to be one winner there.

Admittedly this is only going off that ridiculous interview Moshiri gave last night, Moshiri stated that they had had a change of mind over getting in another striker and look in the January window if that had to change again.

That was in stark contradiction to Koeman stating that we need another forward and another centre half, instead we got another midfielder. The mention of Barkley, Moshiri added we were already overloaded in the number 10 position.
Me thinks all may not be right behind the scenes.

I don't want the owner of my club talking on a sports channel phone in about 'Number 10's'. Of course it's his money and his club but he's an accountant by trade and nothing more than a glorified football fan. He employed an ex football legend to do the football stuff.

It's all a bit groundhog day again, I remember myself writing more or less the same thing this time last year.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 01, 2017, 10:06:22 PM
@eyesalwaysblue (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=789)

We're going to need Face:Off 3 for Moshiri vs Koeman
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Realist on September 01, 2017, 10:20:01 PM
People are acting like we're the only team In the premiership without a complete squad.

Are you arsed about anyone elses squad?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Ross on September 01, 2017, 10:25:03 PM
I could see the argument for having a good defence despite having Robles in it.

But we needed a top keeper as well.

It shouldn't be a case of either or and given that Pickford was signed months ago, clearly it wasn't because we were looking at keepers all summer.

The issue was not having a back up plan to Giroud.

I agree it shouldn't be an either or situation given the money we received for Lukaku and whats sloshing about in the league but it should be about priorities.

We needed a forward much more desperately than a goalkeeper and they should have moved heaven and earth to bring one in.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: kramer0 on September 01, 2017, 10:38:48 PM
It's not just Koeman and Walsh who seem to have their wires crossed. I am starting to think there are divisions between Moshiri and Koeman and there is only going to be one winner there.

Admittedly this is only going off that ridiculous interview Moshiri gave last night, Moshiri stated that they had had a change of mind over getting in another striker and look in the January window if that had to change again.

That was in stark contradiction to Koeman stating that we need another forward and another centre half, instead we got another midfielder. The mention of Barkley, Moshiri added we were already overloaded in the number 10 position.
Me thinks all may not be right behind the scenes.

I'm not sure that's the case but I'd be alright if it was.

There's nothing particularly special about Koeman. He gets good returns from emphasizing fitness and defensive structure, which is great if you want to finish comfortably upper mid-table and occasionally scrap your way ahead one of the bigger clubs. He talks a lot about pressing but his strategy is to basically to have the front men chase the ball, which is the easiest "press" to play through. There's no plan for consistently progressing the ball from defense to attack and when we get into the final third, our main approach is to cross, which isn't all that great. He isn't much of a man manager either. His blunt style can be satisfying to us as supporters but I doubt it's long-term effectiveness w/r/t the players.

That all sounds pretty negative so I should say: he's a solid manager, likely to get us 7th or 8th place again, and we're in no real danger of slipping into the bottom half of the table. We could even scrap to 6th place if things go really well. But that's the ceiling and I don't think he's worth the wage we're paying him or the resources we're providing him. If you gave me the option to swap him with Tuchel or Favre or even Roger Schmidt, I'd do it right now with absolutely no hesitation.

I should also add that I'd be ecstatic to be totally wrong here. If he wins the Europa League or the FA Cup or drives us into 4th/5th place, I'll gladly take whatever ridicule is coming my way for posting this so early in the season.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: GLewis on September 01, 2017, 10:57:45 PM
I agree it shouldn't be an either or situation given the money we received for Lukaku and whats sloshing about in the league but it should be about priorities.

We needed a forward much more desperately than a goalkeeper and they should have moved heaven and earth to bring one in.

I suppose that clear difference comes down to whether you think Robles is one of the worst keepers in the league.

Which I do ;)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: mikey_blue on September 01, 2017, 10:58:59 PM
Are you arsed about anyone elses squad?

It's Football mate, I'm not that "Arsed" about any of it, just the same as it's not arsed about you.

I want Everton to do better and succeed, like everyone else in here,  but I'm not going fume it up in a forum and moan about how billionaires and footballers should be doing their job properly, then go back to my 9-5 job and continue to not do it properly.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: GLewis on September 01, 2017, 11:03:56 PM
@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

Re the type of players Koeman wants, then I'd say it ties in with a requirement to move up from 11th and challenge, properly, for the top 4 within 3 years.

Mahrez, Vardy in particular didn't work out straight away so those types (or even relative ones) aren't really suitable for what we're trying to do.

Although players like Sandro, Klaassen, Vlasic, Keane, Pickford aren't the finished article by any means.

I do think that the striker criteria was really narrow though.

We basically wanted a big target man striker who'd get a decent amount of goals and also bring people into play.

The only way to guarantee that was to target someone who has consistently done it.

That is really narrow and explains why we waited on Giroud for so long.

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 01, 2017, 11:12:54 PM
I like Koeman more than Kramer does, but I respect the fuck out of Kramer, and realize that means I am probably wrong.

There's never been any doubt that Koeman views us as a short-term stop, and even if he didn't, I would favour Walsh in any "he goes or I go" tug of war.  Walsh is the key to keeping us stable and forward-thinking as a club for the next 10+ years.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: kramer0 on September 01, 2017, 11:20:16 PM
@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)

Re the type of players Koeman wants, then I'd say it ties in with a requirement to move up from 11th and challenge, properly, for the top 4 within 3 years.

Mahrez, Vardy in particular didn't work out straight away so those types (or even relative ones) aren't really suitable for what we're trying to do.

Although players like Sandro, Klaassen, Vlasic, Keane, Pickford aren't the finished article by any means.

I do think that the striker criteria was really narrow though.

We basically wanted a big target man striker who'd get a decent amount of goals and also bring people into play.

The only way to guarantee that was to target someone who has consistently done it.

That is really narrow and explains why we waited on Giroud for so long.

That's a fair way of looking at it. I still don't think we got enough upside in attack but it really is a matter of opinion given that it's so early and we don't have enough data on the likes of Sandro, Klaassen, etc.

I'll add that if our plan for this season required a specific type of player that isn't easy to find, we probably should have come up with a better plan. There are only a handful of clubs in the world that can shop in the "we need this exact guy" market and we aren't one of them. But I think you agree with me on that point.

And I have zero complaints about Keane and Pickford - they've been our two standout performers so far and they should only get better. Two perfect signings for where we are and where we want to be.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 01, 2017, 11:20:55 PM
@eyesalwaysblue (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=789)

We're going to need Face:Off 3 for Moshiri vs Koeman
It's getting more interesting than the actual football, the 3 year "project" may be shorter for someone.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 01, 2017, 11:33:12 PM
People are acting like we're the only team In the premiership without a complete squad.

as said we only care about everton, plus i want to see some sort of fluid play from out team, playing players who cant run in behind, or not playing to our strengths,. is just going to be dull and abysmal all seasonl, i want to enjoy watching everton play (even if we lose) i dont want us to play abysmally not creating any chances and to lose.

which is how our team has shaped up this season. (having 3 number tens,  no one stretching the pitch and looking likea pub team no knowing wtf they're supposed to do.)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Ross on September 01, 2017, 11:45:45 PM
I suppose that clear difference comes down to whether you think Robles is one of the worst keepers in the league.

Which I do ;)

Not what last season evidence suggests.

 ;)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Dr. Sponge on September 01, 2017, 11:49:57 PM
I just came on here to say fuckety shitballs at us not signing a striker.

As you were.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 02, 2017, 12:02:46 AM
^^ lol

i like Koeman and all, i respect what he's achieved as a a player, but i want to be entertained by Everton. i want to see cohesiveness, i want to see flexibility i want to see us work as a team.

i think im coming to terms, that koeman wont be the manager to make us play 'nice'.

i dont want Koeman to be sacked or resign, but if we continue in the same vein as our europa league matches and prem matches.. i dont think it will be long/. until we get the manager we need who will get us playing how we should (UNSWORTH)

I like the fact thatt Koeman isnt animated on the bench, he looks calm, always thinking.. i just wish that transferred over onto the pitch... maybe it has.. and thats what we get :/

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: everton1952 on September 02, 2017, 12:09:09 AM
Hells bells, so Koeman is to blame for the squad fiasco. I thought he was the first team coach who coached who he was given?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Realist on September 02, 2017, 01:10:04 AM
Hells bells, so Koeman is to blame for the squad fiasco. I thought he was the first team coach who coached who he was given?

What? Do you think he just gets given new players without any input on their purchase?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: AllyBlue14 on September 02, 2017, 01:56:54 PM
What? Do you think he just gets given new players without any input on their purchase?

It's taken 384 posts, but I think I agree with something you've said!
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: BlueForYou on September 02, 2017, 02:17:27 PM
Better to be patient than to panic buy

Looking forward to January and the FA Cup
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: ally2 on September 02, 2017, 03:57:37 PM
Forgot about Robles.  Thought we were getting rid
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 02, 2017, 04:21:35 PM
Forgot about Robles.  Thought we were getting rid

He's still here. And making Instagram videos of himself training in his back garden.

He should just make a YouTube compilation of balls getting smashed into his face and send it out to 2nd tier Spanish clubs and be done with it.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Bluedylan on September 02, 2017, 06:28:26 PM
I share the Koeman skepticism long-term. I think he's a solid manager and a safe pair of hands, but I don't see him as a difference maker or the kind of manager to bring about significant over-achievement through tactical innovation or exceptional player development, which is what would be needed to trouble the Top 6 consistently. He was a reasonable choice for the time but we need a more progressive (and potentially risky) appointment next time.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: GLewis on September 02, 2017, 06:56:26 PM
I share the Koeman skepticism long-term. I think he's a solid manager and a safe pair of hands, but I don't see him as a difference maker or the kind of manager to bring about significant over-achievement through tactical innovation or exceptional player development, which is what would be needed to trouble the Top 6 consistently. He was a reasonable choice for the time but we need a more progressive (and potentially risky) appointment next time.

I'm quite looking forward to getting into a more frequent coach / manager cycle.

I like Koeman, principally because I appreciate getting the basics right first and foremost.

I think he does try things tactically to lift us beyond the norm, they just don't work all the time... ;)

But yeah, until result bear out the safe money is on solid, if unspectacular, performances / seasons.

I think our signings have been good in terms of they should be fairly adaptable to most tactical approaches which should be beneficial in a changing cycle.

Re risky appointments I would hope that if we're still showing signs of promise, being close to top 6(4) etc that with the wages that we offer we should be able to attract someone who at least should be good, they might not be guaranteed to get us further than wherever Koeman leaves us but we shouldn't be risking Martinez levels of uselessness.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: BlueMaquis on September 03, 2017, 10:15:35 AM
What is it with Moshiri? Last time it was making shit up about not signing Sissoko because McCarthy was "part of the family", this time it's Barkley getting a medical when Ross himself has said he never did.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 03, 2017, 01:39:11 PM
I think I'm not arsed about koeman either. Don't get me wrong he did a good job last season. Sorted out all the basics that the last idiot didn't bother with. Got us organised, fit and solid and we finished as high as we possibly could. It wasn't spectacular but it was good

The impression I get going forwards though is that he's not overly entertaining and for me, I think he's creating the problems in the market by insisting on proven which for us means not good enough to move us forwards or just not realistic

I think he's ambitious in terms of where he ends up but not ambitious in terms of how his teams play or even where we finish. I think he'd happily take 3 7ths and then move on rather than take more risks in the market and risk a 10th trying for the champions league

Didn't really rate him when he arrived. Did well last season but I don't see much to suggest he can kick on. Maybe he's going to revolutionise football with his 10 10s and a keeper formation
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Silas on September 03, 2017, 01:49:51 PM
I don't think you can make a fair judgement on Koeman at Everton until seasons end. This is his chance to put his stamp on a team that is now largely his
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: GLewis on September 03, 2017, 04:14:24 PM
I think I'm not arsed about koeman either. Don't get me wrong he did a good job last season. Sorted out all the basics that the last idiot didn't bother with. Got us organised, fit and solid and we finished as high as we possibly could. It wasn't spectacular but it was good

The impression I get going forwards though is that he's not overly entertaining and for me, I think he's creating the problems in the market by insisting on proven which for us means not good enough to move us forwards or just not realistic

I think he's ambitious in terms of where he ends up but not ambitious in terms of how his teams play or even where we finish. I think he'd happily take 3 7ths and then move on rather than take more risks in the market and risk a 10th trying for the champions league

Didn't really rate him when he arrived. Did well last season but I don't see much to suggest he can kick on. Maybe he's going to revolutionise football with his 10 10s and a keeper formation

To be fair re the signings, most this summer have been players who can improve.

E.g. if Keane really develops on the ball then that's a massive plus going forward.

There's only Rooney and Sigurdsson, this summer, out of the proper signings that don't have a potential upswing long term.

Most successful signings have some pedigree behind them.

I think for the "punt" successes you need a lot of luck.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 03, 2017, 04:47:52 PM
I share the Koeman skepticism long-term. I think he's a solid manager and a safe pair of hands, but I don't see him as a difference maker or the kind of manager to bring about significant over-achievement through tactical innovation or exceptional player development, which is what would be needed to trouble the Top 6 consistently. He was a reasonable choice for the time but we need a more progressive (and potentially risky) appointment next time.

I think we may have tried that with the last fella.

I agree that in our current situation it is over-achievement we are looking for I just don't think that is a long-term solution. Over-achievement generally only lasts for one season. What we really need is serious long-term investment in the team and the most disappointing thing for me this window were the signs that we may not have as much cash to spend as we assumed.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: dchans on September 03, 2017, 05:32:27 PM
Or, that we didnt want to have our pants down as prices are sky high - imagine what Pickford, Keane etc would have cost if we bought them after the Neymar transfer!

Even barca, one of the richest clubs decided to keep their money in the bank for another day

Get a forward in January and we are fine
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 03, 2017, 05:48:51 PM
To be fair re the signings, most this summer have been players who can improve.

E.g. if Keane really develops on the ball then that's a massive plus going forward.

There's only Rooney and Sigurdsson, this summer, out of the proper signings that don't have a potential upswing long term.

Most successful signings have some pedigree behind them.

I think for the "punt" successes you need a lot of luck.

I do think much of my issue is with Sigurdsson. He was the last of our number 10s through the door infinitely more expensive than rooney and not got the potential of klassen to develop. It just seems a ridiculous signing and a ridiculous waste of a lot of time when surely any idiot could see we needed something different. Think take him out and get us a striker and/or a winger and my mood would be infinitely better.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lxxx on September 03, 2017, 09:57:23 PM
I can see Barkley, McCarthy and Robles out the door in January for maybe £35m tops and that money spent on what we needed to complete this window.
I don't see a big name being brought in and I don't see us blowing loads of cash either.

I may be wrong but I see Moshiri as a careful owner, not Tony Fernandes silly but not tight either. If we're going to progress I think it'll be Partidge-esque and be more evolution rather than revolution.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 03, 2017, 11:00:28 PM
We will look to add more in January? Of course we will, we should add more in every subsequent window as well; it's the main way of improving your first team. It just looks like we will be expending some of our energy in January correcting mistakes of this last window.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 04, 2017, 12:39:58 AM


He should just make a YouTube compilation of balls getting smashed into his face and send it out to 2nd tier Spanish clubs and be done with it.


That's his greatest attribute.

At least he can catch now. Which is handy for a keeper.

So he should consider his time here wasn't a complete loss.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: TheTone on September 04, 2017, 12:43:53 AM
he sounds like a meerkat and I'm still pissed off with him for going on the blower
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: brap2 on September 05, 2017, 07:54:46 PM
^^ lol

i like Koeman and all, i respect what he's achieved as a a player, but i want to be entertained by Everton. i want to see cohesiveness, i want to see flexibility i want to see us work as a team.

i think im coming to terms, that koeman wont be the manager to make us play 'nice'.

i dont want Koeman to be sacked or resign, but if we continue in the same vein as our europa league matches and prem matches.. i dont think it will be long/. until we get the manager we need who will get us playing how we should (UNSWORTH)

I like the fact thatt Koeman isnt animated on the bench, he looks calm, always thinking.. i just wish that transferred over onto the pitch... maybe it has.. and thats what we get :/



Can we fuck off with this undsworth shout. Such a daft shout.

Done fuck all as a manager to qualify him taking over a role like Everton, let him go and earn his stripes somewhere fine but if we sacked Koeman and hired undsworth it'd be pure Newcastle stuff.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Jamokachi on September 05, 2017, 08:15:10 PM
Can we fuck off with this undsworth shout. Such a daft shout.

Done fuck all as a manager to qualify him taking over a role like Everton, let him go and earn his stripes somewhere fine but if we sacked Koeman and hired undsworth it'd be pure Newcastle stuff.

Guardiola was assistant at Barca... just saying.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 05, 2017, 08:51:14 PM
Guardiola was assistant at Barca... just saying.

And he took over a team already at the top and requiring  very little work
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: brap2 on September 05, 2017, 09:05:24 PM
Guardiola was assistant at Barca... just saying.

Absolutely different planets.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 05, 2017, 09:12:12 PM
It took man city just under 4 years from Mansour taking over to winning the league.
They are as close a comparison to our situation as it's possible to get. Various managers, good buys, bad buys ' why would we expect our journey to be that much different?
2 3/4 years less than they had and I don't think we are doing too badly.
There is a culture of wanting everything straight away in football, some people are going to have to learn to be patient.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 05, 2017, 09:14:28 PM
It took man city just under 4 years from Mansour taking over to winning the league.
They are as close a comparison to our situation as it's possible to get. Various managers, good buys, bad buys ' why would we expect our journey to be that much different?
2 3/4 years less than they had and I don't think we are doing too badly.
There is a culture of wanting everything straight away in football, some people are going to have to learn to be patient.
They only really had two sides to compete with though, we have about 8
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 05, 2017, 09:20:00 PM
They only really had two sides to compete with though, we have about 8
That's true and the reality now is that if we do succeed we don't become one of the 'top 4' elite we merely make it a top 7 elite with only the same number of trophies to go round.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 05, 2017, 09:25:07 PM
That's true and the reality now is that if we do succeed we don't become one of the 'top 4' elite we merely make it a top 7 elite with only the same number of trophies to go round.

So what you're saying is we need to petition the FA to introduce more trophies?!

 :hug:
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: School of Science on September 05, 2017, 09:28:50 PM
Getting the top 4 now is like winning the league 3 or 4 years ago. Still can't believe what Leicester City achieved, unbelievable.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: brap2 on September 05, 2017, 09:44:39 PM
It took man city just under 4 years from Mansour taking over to winning the league.
They are as close a comparison to our situation as it's possible to get. Various managers, good buys, bad buys ' why would we expect our journey to be that much different?
2 3/4 years less than they had and I don't think we are doing too badly.
There is a culture of wanting everything straight away in football, some people are going to have to learn to be patient.

Does anyone believe we should be anywhere near winning the league at this point?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 05, 2017, 09:46:24 PM
So what you're saying is we need to petition the FA to introduce more trophies?!

 :hug:
No, I'm saying there was a small elite group and the elite group is getting bigger but there are still the same number of trophies to win.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 05, 2017, 09:52:55 PM
Can we fuck off with this undsworth shout. Such a daft shout.

Done fuck all as a manager to qualify him taking over a role like Everton, let him go and earn his stripes somewhere fine but if we sacked Koeman and hired undsworth it'd be pure Newcastle stuff.

I like the point but what is with the "Undsworth" bit, where you getting that 'd' from? Is that a deliberate pun because it's not even how you say the name :eh:
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: brap2 on September 05, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
I like the point but what is with the "Undsworth" bit, where you getting that 'd' from? Is that a deliberate pun because it's not even how you say the name :eh:

Lmao no just me being a dope.

UnDsie
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 05, 2017, 09:55:19 PM
Lmao no just me being a dope.

UnDsie

Haha I can see how you get it from the shortened version now, fair play ;)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 06, 2017, 12:06:03 AM
lol i was joking with the under wear shouts...

maybe in 5 years or so  it maybe a reality.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Realist on September 06, 2017, 02:54:08 AM
It took man city just under 4 years from Mansour taking over to winning the league.
They are as close a comparison to our situation as it's possible to get. Various managers, good buys, bad buys ' why would we expect our journey to be that much different?
2 3/4 years less than they had and I don't think we are doing too badly.
There is a culture of wanting everything straight away in football, some people are going to have to learn to be patient.

How is it as close to our situation as it's possible to get?
City's owners have endless funds, Moshiri needed to sell Barkley to buy a striker
It's not even remotely similar
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: blueski on September 06, 2017, 03:02:42 AM
Moshiri needed to sell Barkley to buy a striker
simply untrue/unsubstantiated
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 06, 2017, 04:48:25 AM
How is it as close to our situation as it's possible to get?
City's owners have endless funds, Moshiri needed to sell Barkley to buy a striker
It's not even remotely similar
It's  very like ours
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Ramjam on September 06, 2017, 07:26:07 AM
The only way that every team gets a fair go is to introduce a salary cap for all PL teams
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: bluenuck on September 06, 2017, 10:30:48 AM
The only way that every team gets a fair go is to introduce a salary cap for all PL teams

You might as well just kick them all out of all European competitions then.

Gotta think bigger picture. This isn't like North American sports where there's one main league in the whole world.

And on another note. If anyone thinks we're like Man city was and is expecting to win this league in 4-5 years then I want what you're smoking.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Realist on September 06, 2017, 11:16:49 AM
It's  very like ours

How?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: gizzblue on September 06, 2017, 02:11:03 PM
How is it as close to our situation as it's possible to get?
City's owners have endless funds, Moshiri needed to sell Barkley to buy a striker
It's not even remotely similar
How do you know Moshiris finances so well?.

More guesswork without proof .

Just like city for us it won't happen overnight despite the moaning of a few ,it takes a Good couple of years to build a squad ,especially one that was full of Martinez phenomenon types .
A plan true fans will get on behind.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 06, 2017, 02:52:45 PM
We can't spend like city did initially - regardless of Moshiri's finances.

Ours can only be a much longer term project. Hopefully we have a buffer against any potential financial bubble bursting in the meantime.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Realist on September 06, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
How do you know Moshiris finances so well?.

More guesswork without proof .

Just like city for us it won't happen overnight despite the moaning of a few ,it takes a Good couple of years to build a squad ,especially one that was full of Martinez phenomenon types .
A plan true fans will get on behind.

How do you?
Why do you think we never bought a striker? The target man that Koeman wanted?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 06, 2017, 03:19:27 PM
How do you?
Why do you think we never bought a striker? The target man that Koeman wanted?

We wouldn't have bought one even if Barkley was sold.
We were unable to attract the level of player that Koeman wanted.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Cozzie on September 06, 2017, 04:16:30 PM
Could be worse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41118927
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lxxx on September 06, 2017, 04:57:21 PM
It's  very like ours

It's nothing like ours.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Ross on September 06, 2017, 05:11:19 PM
Can't believe the City comparisons are still being trotted out.

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 06, 2017, 05:51:16 PM
Can't believe the City comparisons are still being trotted out.



I think it goes a long way to explain why some looked at the squad building done this window as being a failure/let down.
Striker aside it was a brilliant window. Granted, it left a sour taste in the mouth due to how it ended. But it was a solid window that improved us everywhere else.

I think some of the crazy, crazy shouts (Ozil/Aguero/etc) come from the same place as the "similar to early City" mentality.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lxxx on September 06, 2017, 06:00:17 PM
I think it goes a long way to explain why some looked at the squad building done this window as being a failure/let down.
Striker aside it was a brilliant window. Granted, it left a sour taste in the mouth due to how it ended. But it was a solid window that improved us everywhere else.

I think some of the crazy, crazy shouts (Ozil/Aguero/etc) come from the same place as the "similar to early City" mentality.

For a team that only plays one central striker we still have three of them so we're hardly resorting to Moyes territory of playing six midfielders. Yet. We have decent squad numbers not seen in a very long time, especially when everyone is fit.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Ross on September 06, 2017, 07:06:27 PM
I think it goes a long way to explain why some looked at the squad building done this window as being a failure/let down.
Striker aside it was a brilliant window. Granted, it left a sour taste in the mouth due to how it ended. But it was a solid window that improved us everywhere else.

I think some of the crazy, crazy shouts (Ozil/Aguero/etc) come from the same place as the "similar to early City" mentality.

I tend to think people's opinion of the window as a let down is more to do with stockpiling a certain type of player, something Moshiri himself brought up, and neglect of other more urgent positions such as a striker or players who can stretch teams outwide and with pace.  Especially after spending so much money after selling one of the leagues leading strikers.

I've not really seen anyone complaining about the amount of money reinvested in the team as such more where and how wisely it's been spent. I think the worry is, and if you want or need to compare us to another recent takeover, it's a bit like Villa when Learner came in. He gave the manager plenty of money and he paid exuberant fees well above market value to try and bridge the gap to the leagues elite but it was never enough and the manager always wanted more.

The massive difference is how far you're willing and able to back an average manager. City could and did with Hughes for a while but he was clearly out if his depth so they brought in a better one and continued writing the cheques until success arrived. Villa couldn't as they found out because Learner finances, like Moshiris, are finite and it wasn't sustainable.

In short City could and did spend unlimited wealth to get to where they are we clearly can't and need to spend what we've got wisely. There's no comparison between us and City.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 06, 2017, 07:11:54 PM
That last line was entirely my point, thanks for agreeing.

RE: the window. Anybody who is worried that we have stockpiled is either saying that they know more than Koeman (they dont) or that he hasn't got a clue (unlikely).

I, for one, don't think Pickford is the same as Klaassen. I dont think Sandro is the same as Sigurdson. I don't think Keane is the same as Vlasic.
Take Rooney out of the equation and the signings of Klaassen (more of a CM), Sigurdsson (AMF) & Sandro (Forward) don't look all that similar...
Put simply though, we are not in a position to turn down somebody of the experience and quality of Rooney. He is a short term option and the others are medium/long term options.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Ross on September 06, 2017, 07:27:35 PM
So is it wise to spend 50% of our tranfer budget on two players who like to occupy and thrive in a certain area of the pitch @Mick 1995 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) ? A position which also happens to be the same one our highest salary earner is most comfortable, which surely means we really shouldn't be "taking him out of this equation" if we're judging the whole picture. 

Moshiri didn't seem to think so the other day when he gave that interview and there's plenty of others who don't either while there's massive holes around the squad.

For what it's worth City may be able to do that sort of thing but as you agree we've got to be wise when it comes to this sort of thing seeing as we're nothing like City.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 06, 2017, 07:38:50 PM
You say budget as if you know what the final upper limit may have been? It's a pretty fundamental mistake whilst trying to judge worth.

Also, it's becoming clear that Koeman seems to prefer 2 of them 3 attacking positions behind the striker to have similar players in them (with the other to contain a player with pace/directness).

I can remember the rare occasions in 95/96 that Limpar & Kanchelskis we're on the pitch at the same time and always thinking we looked unbalanced and weak. Maybe Koeman is of the same line of thought - that we should only ever have 1 wide player on the pitch at a time?
That width only matters at the back?

So, similar to you making an assumption about what our budget was, you are now assuming that Koeman wanted something different to what he got. (Well, he wanted a striker and a defender still, he definitely didn't get that. But neither of them fundamentally change the argument about this 'congested middle').

Also, Moshiri's opinion counts for less than nothing when it comes to playing staff in my eyes. I'd be aghast to hear he had any say in any part of the recruitment process. He has staff to cover the targets and staff to cover the budgets. Unless he is spending his own money (he is not) then it has nothing to do directly with him.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lxxx on September 06, 2017, 07:50:58 PM
The squad isn't as massively disjointed as many make out. The issue is our playing style is shite, or rather we haven't developed one yet. Coupled with the insistence on playing five defenders so far means we're a man less as an attacking unit and boring to watch. The only time we looked decent was when we lined up in a 4-4-2 at home to Split and looked pretty fluid.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: blueski on September 06, 2017, 07:55:55 PM
to be fair its still a little early to make judgments on our playing style seeing as two of our league outings were stoke away which isn't a universally known fixture for its fluidity and quality play and a game against the defending champions
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lxxx on September 06, 2017, 08:03:33 PM
to be fair its still a little early to make judgments on our playing style seeing as two of our league outings were stoke away which isn't a universally known fixture for its fluidity and quality play and a game against the defending champions

We've played four European games too. Plus the City game. Stoke was at home too by the way.

We can only say what we see so far. Yes it might be early to expect to integrate a load of new players in but it is what it is, which isn't pretty and probably won't be for another fortnight at least.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 06, 2017, 08:07:31 PM
That last line was entirely my point, thanks for agreeing.

RE: the window. Anybody who is worried that we have stockpiled is either saying that they know more than Koeman (they dont) or that he hasn't got a clue (unlikely).

I, for one, don't think Pickford is the same as Klaassen. I dont think Sandro is the same as Sigurdson. I don't think Keane is the same as Vlasic.
Take Rooney out of the equation and the signings of Klaassen (more of a CM), Sigurdsson (AMF) & Sandro (Forward) don't look all that similar...
Put simply though, we are not in a position to turn down somebody of the experience and quality of Rooney. He is a short term option and the others are medium/long term options.

This is the first argument I've seen where I'm firmly in @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316) corner. I'm not discounting everything you said Mick but what were you smoking to come up with the above highlights?!

"Assuming that Koeman wanted something different to what he got"  :clap: (I don't think what you said in brackets saves you from the former daft statement ;))

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 06, 2017, 08:22:51 PM
OK, well this isn't a fight, me and @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316) aren't falling out over this so join in.

So what part's do you disagree with?
Obviously the player comparisons are only technically true (I do admit to being a bit facetious with how disparate the players i chose were).
The main point, as you have noted, is in the brackets. I expected people to also be able to recognise the inferred point that we have also bought a keeper, centre half and winger.

Ross has also mentioned about how you cant take Rooney our of the equation, so let me expand on that:
I don't think any of the players we have bought play in the exact same position. But, people think differently so i'll argue there.
Rooney is 31. He has 1 or 2 years left
Sigurdsson is 27. He has 5 or 6 years left
Sandro is 22. He has 10 or 11 years left
Klaassen is 21. he has 11 or 12 years left.

Considering Koeman seems to prefer 2 of the 'attacking 3' behind the striker to be of a similar type - i dont think we are congested and it looks like he has made sure we have the potential to have a world class centre for the next decade. Making sure the 'risks' have the time & guidance to bed in properly.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 06, 2017, 08:27:52 PM
I've said this for a while now, we really need to up our play style and tactical nouse. We have decent players in the squad. Not as many as we wanted, and in positions that we thought pertinent, but we have a very healthy choice of first 11. But seriously, sometimes our lack of "football" ability astounds me. Our short passing and movement, awareness, passing into space (short and long), running off the ball, speed of close down, circumstantial shape transformations, etc are not there, bar the very basics. We really need to implement better coaching, so it really does get through to the players. Disclaimer: this bit is not a joke: the playstyle of some far lesser teams, like Watford, Bournemouth, even Swansea is often superior to ours at the moment. Even Huddersfield play some great football - its just the lesser teams obviously have lesser players and will leak in more goals, or not score as many, mainly down to quality of player.

Let's face it, we've done well to assemble a fairly reasonable squad, lets have a huge shake up, and spend some decent money getting some TOP CLASS training/tactical people in, not just good old ex-blues and ambassadors, but some of the cream of Europes finest coaches. If we want to be big time, we have to set up as big time, and playing noob-ball wont get us into the top 4, whether we bring in a Giroud or not in January.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Macca77 on September 06, 2017, 08:35:33 PM
How do you?
Why do you think we never bought a striker? The target man that Koeman wanted?

Because the strikers he wanted weren't available, Giroud for example.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: pjk on September 06, 2017, 08:53:10 PM
I thought Klaassen was 24? :)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: blueski on September 06, 2017, 08:54:22 PM
We've played four European games too. Plus the City game. Stoke was at home too by the way.

We can only say what we see so far. Yes it might be early to expect to integrate a load of new players in but it is what it is, which isn't pretty and probably won't be for another fortnight at least.

thats right my bad

seems like we want to play with a false 9 kind of set up but haven't figured it out yet

not unexpectedly we've been inconsistent with decent and poor stretches in most of our games thus far - hopefully the rubber will hit the road and quiet some around here sooner eh lets hope

part of this is scheduling  -had we opened against weaker teams & weaker fixtures with 3 league wins it might be a different discussion on here (which would also be too early and unwarranted)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 06, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
I thought Klaassen was 24? :)

he is. not sure where i got 21 from
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: hill135 on September 06, 2017, 09:02:18 PM
Can't speak on behalf of others but for me I think the window wasn't as a big a success as it might have been because we went in to it with an imbalanced squad and came out it with an imbalanced  squad. If we're aiming to have two quality players in each position (i.e. selection dilemmas) then our window took us a bit closer to that goal but not much in my view.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: pjk on September 06, 2017, 09:08:16 PM
he is. not sure where i got 21 from



Probably all that projecting the squad longevity for the next 2-12 years. A job and a half that is. All these players in the same position.  :snigger:
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 06, 2017, 09:09:01 PM


Probably all that projecting the squad longevity for the next 2-12 years. A job and a half that is. All these players in the same position.  :snigger:

No doubt he is so shit he'll be getting sold next summer anyway.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: pjk on September 06, 2017, 09:10:49 PM
No doubt he is so shit he'll be getting sold next summer anyway.




I'm not getting involved in it. He's played 3 games. ::)
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 06, 2017, 09:13:57 PM
OK, well this isn't a fight, me and @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316) aren't falling out over this so join in.

So what part's do you disagree with?
Obviously the player comparisons are only technically true (I do admit to being a bit facetious with how disparate the players i chose were).
The main point, as you have noted, is in the brackets. I expected people to also be able to recognise the inferred point that we have also bought a keeper, centre half and winger.

Ross has also mentioned about how you cant take Rooney our of the equation, so let me expand on that:
I don't think any of the players we have bought play in the exact same position. But, people think differently so i'll argue there.
Rooney is 31. He has 1 or 2 years left
Sigurdsson is 27. He has 5 or 6 years left
Sandro is 22. He has 10 or 11 years left
Klaassen is 21. he has 11 or 12 years left.

Considering Koeman seems to prefer 2 of the 'attacking 3' behind the striker to be of a similar type - i dont think we are congested and it looks like he has made sure we have the potential to have a world class centre for the next decade. Making sure the 'risks' have the time & guidance to bed in properly.

Agreed there is no 'beef' so to speak.

First example, interpreting the argument that we have stockpiled in one position as a slight against Koeman. I take it as just pointing out we have a lot of very good players in one position whilst managing to not sign anyone we can be certain is good in the crucial leading-the-line role.

We agree on Wayne being short-term, and that no one here knows of our budgetary constraints/limits.

The hark-back to the '90s seems completely out of place, although the idea width only matters at the back is fine if you are dominating time with the football. Without the ball width up-front is a great out-ball, especially with the kicking skill of Pickford.

I already picked on the idea Koeman got what he wanted, to be fair thought he strengthened three out of four areas if you were to divide the pitch in the most basic sense so that is not a disaster. Finally your newer post, see your point. It is still not a good strategy to bank on one-up-front forever. It would be better to have the choice of playing two strikers even with an injury and we barely have that at the moment.

I don't want to be too critical because we are only 3 matches in and may well achieve a lot!

p.s. love the use of 'facetious'
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 06, 2017, 09:21:37 PM
I didn't actually believe that point about 10 years - because i don't think they're similar players. I was just looking to see if there was a positive from the mind-set of them all being the same.

The 90s point was made as a lot of people have always thought we should play with 2 wingers. even now when we play a 3 in that position most people seemed to be wanting width there. I was just making the comparison based on the last time we actually had 2 wingers. Bringing it to today, even when Mirallas, Lookman & Lennon available (rarely) he doesn't seem inclined to play 2 of them. That can only lead to the assumption he wants 1 wide player and 2 central playing behind the striker. In that case it's strange to argue that we have "too many number 10s".


However, and i mentioned this to begin with, we should all agree that not getting another striker in is a massive failure and a blow to any chance we had of getting into that 6th spot.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Realist on September 06, 2017, 09:38:08 PM
Because the strikers he wanted weren't available, Giroud for example.

No offence mate but that's garbage, Giroud maybe but who are the rest he wanted but weren't available?

Do you think Koeman would've said "tell you what, there's no one I fancy so leave it til January"?
Even though that only leaves him DCL & now Niasse as out and out strikers?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 06, 2017, 10:27:12 PM
Not this discussion AGAIN. Can we please have this "Where's our new Striker" discussion at the end of January please?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: kramer0 on September 06, 2017, 10:34:29 PM
International breaks are still the worst.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on September 07, 2017, 03:08:34 AM
I thought Klaassen was 24? :)
He is but like 44
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Juanito on September 07, 2017, 06:04:16 AM
Spurs play with two No.10's so that shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Confucius on September 07, 2017, 06:44:59 AM
We needed at least 2 strikers this window. We got none. Poor window for me.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: kiwiblue65 on September 07, 2017, 04:43:28 PM
Without going through each signing individually as have done previously I stand by my opinion that out starting 11 is not much better than before the window.

Agree with your comments on the next four months but surely this should have been addressed in the last 4 ?
What planet are you on?
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: kiwiblue65 on September 07, 2017, 04:46:08 PM
Wouldnt it be sensible to see how the results go before all this negativity. Today we have lost one game to the champions. Rome wasnt built in a day
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Macca77 on September 07, 2017, 04:57:34 PM
Remain calm, our squad is still strong enough to get us into the top 6, if we don't address the striker issue in January then you can panic all you want, I however will not panic, I have faith in our squad, in our manager and in our owner.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Lxxx on September 07, 2017, 06:34:05 PM
International breaks are still the worst.

Yep. We've just swapped one striker wanting to get away for another striker wanting to get his end away.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: BlueForYou on September 08, 2017, 03:35:37 AM
Thomas Delaney
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: gizzblue on September 08, 2017, 04:11:34 AM
How do you?
Why do you think we never bought a striker? The target man that Koeman wanted?
Because aside shite from lower teams none were available, ffs how many times can you spout the same jamie caragher esq rednosed shite in a different way .....did you really wanna spend 45/50 mill on Deeney or bent over and raped by Palace on fooking Benteke or some other shite waste of money .

We've had fuck all for twenty years(any true blue knows this) + we've just replaced twelve+ fucking players and your toys are still projectile and your dummy on the floor yet again ....fucking red shite nonsense ....deffo....I've never in all my time ever heard such dirty remarks from a blue or any true fan about their teams actual financial and status progression .

No debt
Ground facelift
12+ New players
In Europe
Fucking bright future
New ground
Major transition
No longer a fucking laughing stock.

And you flog the dead horse over missed opportunity ....honestly .
I would use the broken record again but for the rest of this forums sake I won't .

Don't bother responding I'm not taking no more red nosed shite thanks .. ..and your now dead to me 😅
Good day .

Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Brownie on September 08, 2017, 04:29:57 AM
Thomas Delaney

Scored a hat trick the other day for Denmark
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Realist on September 08, 2017, 05:07:17 AM
Because aside shite from lower teams none were available, ffs how many times can you spout the same jamie caragher esq rednosed shite in a different way .....did you really wanna spend 45/50 mill on Deeney or bent over and raped by Palace on fooking Benteke or some other shite waste of money .

We've had fuck all for twenty years(any true blue knows this) + we've just replaced twelve+ fucking players and your toys are still projectile and your dummy on the floor yet again ....fucking red shite nonsense ....deffo....I've never in all my time ever heard such dirty remarks from a blue or any true fan about their teams actual financial and status progression .

No debt (How much debt did Moshiri wipe out?)
Ground facelift (LOL)
12+ New players (1st team better than last year?)
In Europe
Fucking bright future
New ground (Believe it when I see it)
Major transition (Elaborate)
No longer a fucking laughing stock.

And you flog the dead horse over missed opportunity ....honestly .
I would use the broken record again but for the rest of this forums sake I won't .
Don't bother responding I'm not taking no more red nosed shite thanks .. ..and your now dead to me
Good day .

Take a look back and answer what I've asked.

Deeney £45m? What are you on about?
You don't know what strikers were available really do you?
I'd have taken Benteke in a heartbeat and I reckon the vast majority of Blues would have, he's a proven scorer in the prem, which is what we lost.
And please don't try and tell me that window wasn't a missed opportunity to make up ground on teams who finished above us

Dirty remarks on the clubs finances? You've lost the plot

I'm sorry that it upsets you but a few tins of paint and spending roughly what came in (including tv money) doesn't really convince me of a new dawn.

Infact I don't care who it upsets but here goes - most on here are desperate for something to cling to understandably because we've been allowed to decline to unthinkable depths since the 80's by the scumbags who were allowed into the club to bleed it dry including Kenwright
So now everybody is pissed off if I say that I don't think this new regime is gonna be what everyone thinks, even though I hope I'm proven wrong. Like I've said if you don't agree with the consensus of a little group on here then the clowns jump all over it
Don't agree with it you're a Liverpool fan or a troll - it's pretty pathetic to be honest
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 08, 2017, 08:06:52 AM
Take a look back and answer what I've asked.

Deeney £45m? What are you on about?
You don't know what strikers were available really do you?
I'd have taken Benteke in a heartbeat and I reckon the vast majority of Blues would have, he's a proven scorer in the prem, which is what we lost.
And please don't try and tell me that window wasn't a missed opportunity to make up ground on teams who finished above us

Dirty remarks on the clubs finances? You've lost the plot

I'm sorry that it upsets you but a few tins of paint and spending roughly what came in (including tv money) doesn't really convince me of a new dawn.

Infact I don't care who it upsets but here goes - most on here are desperate for something to cling to understandably because we've been allowed to decline to unthinkable depths since the 80's by the scumbags who were allowed into the club to bleed it dry including Kenwright
So now everybody is pissed off if I say that I don't think this new regime is gonna be what everyone thinks, even though I hope I'm proven wrong. Like I've said if you don't agree with the consensus on here then the clowns jump all over it
Don't agree with it you're a Liverpool fan or a troll - it's pretty pathetic to be honest
Try as you might to keep things in proportion this pretending that everything is bad so as not to risk experiencing disappointment is no longer working. Starting to shine through is the suppressed excitement and anticipation of a new dawn for your football club.
Be brave, embrace it, grab it with both hands and start to enjoy that lovely warm feeling called happiness. The thrill of shared achievement with your fellow fans awaits. The tingle of excitement when you see the lads run out in blue. The counting down of the days to the next game. The mouth watering away days. The love of Everton.
There's no need to feel afraid, good feelings are liberating.
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: Hawkandro on September 08, 2017, 07:20:58 PM
Thomas Delaney

Hopefully. Centre midfield is looking a bit sparse...
Title: Re: [News]Moshiri: We will look to add more in January
Post by: BlueForYou on September 08, 2017, 11:42:05 PM
Sigurdsson, Delaney, Klaassen - sweet!

And throw Dolberg into the mix - sweeter!!