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September 06, 2017, 08:27:52 PM
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The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool


I've said this for a while now, we really need to up our play style and tactical nouse. We have decent players in the squad. Not as many as we wanted, and in positions that we thought pertinent, but we have a very healthy choice of first 11. But seriously, sometimes our lack of "football" ability astounds me. Our short passing and movement, awareness, passing into space (short and long), running off the ball, speed of close down, circumstantial shape transformations, etc are not there, bar the very basics. We really need to implement better coaching, so it really does get through to the players. Disclaimer: this bit is not a joke: the playstyle of some far lesser teams, like Watford, Bournemouth, even Swansea is often superior to ours at the moment. Even Huddersfield play some great football - its just the lesser teams obviously have lesser players and will leak in more goals, or not score as many, mainly down to quality of player.

Let's face it, we've done well to assemble a fairly reasonable squad, lets have a huge shake up, and spend some decent money getting some TOP CLASS training/tactical people in, not just good old ex-blues and ambassadors, but some of the cream of Europes finest coaches. If we want to be big time, we have to set up as big time, and playing noob-ball wont get us into the top 4, whether we bring in a Giroud or not in January.
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September 06, 2017, 08:35:33 PM
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Macca77


How do you?
Why do you think we never bought a striker? The target man that Koeman wanted?

Because the strikers he wanted weren't available, Giroud for example.

September 06, 2017, 08:53:10 PM
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Steinbeck's maxim: “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”.


September 06, 2017, 08:54:22 PM
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We've played four European games too. Plus the City game. Stoke was at home too by the way.

We can only say what we see so far. Yes it might be early to expect to integrate a load of new players in but it is what it is, which isn't pretty and probably won't be for another fortnight at least.

thats right my bad

seems like we want to play with a false 9 kind of set up but haven't figured it out yet

not unexpectedly we've been inconsistent with decent and poor stretches in most of our games thus far - hopefully the rubber will hit the road and quiet some around here sooner eh lets hope

part of this is scheduling  -had we opened against weaker teams & weaker fixtures with 3 league wins it might be a different discussion on here (which would also be too early and unwarranted)
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September 06, 2017, 08:59:31 PM
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I thought Klaassen was 24? :)

he is. not sure where i got 21 from

September 06, 2017, 09:02:18 PM
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Can't speak on behalf of others but for me I think the window wasn't as a big a success as it might have been because we went in to it with an imbalanced squad and came out it with an imbalanced  squad. If we're aiming to have two quality players in each position (i.e. selection dilemmas) then our window took us a bit closer to that goal but not much in my view.
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September 06, 2017, 09:08:16 PM
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he is. not sure where i got 21 from



Probably all that projecting the squad longevity for the next 2-12 years. A job and a half that is. All these players in the same position.  :snigger:
Steinbeck's maxim: “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”.

September 06, 2017, 09:09:01 PM
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Mick 1995

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Probably all that projecting the squad longevity for the next 2-12 years. A job and a half that is. All these players in the same position.  :snigger:

No doubt he is so shit he'll be getting sold next summer anyway.

September 06, 2017, 09:10:49 PM
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pjk


No doubt he is so shit he'll be getting sold next summer anyway.




I'm not getting involved in it. He's played 3 games. ::)
Steinbeck's maxim: “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”.

September 06, 2017, 09:13:57 PM
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OK, well this isn't a fight, me and @Ross aren't falling out over this so join in.

So what part's do you disagree with?
Obviously the player comparisons are only technically true (I do admit to being a bit facetious with how disparate the players i chose were).
The main point, as you have noted, is in the brackets. I expected people to also be able to recognise the inferred point that we have also bought a keeper, centre half and winger.

Ross has also mentioned about how you cant take Rooney our of the equation, so let me expand on that:
I don't think any of the players we have bought play in the exact same position. But, people think differently so i'll argue there.
Rooney is 31. He has 1 or 2 years left
Sigurdsson is 27. He has 5 or 6 years left
Sandro is 22. He has 10 or 11 years left
Klaassen is 21. he has 11 or 12 years left.

Considering Koeman seems to prefer 2 of the 'attacking 3' behind the striker to be of a similar type - i dont think we are congested and it looks like he has made sure we have the potential to have a world class centre for the next decade. Making sure the 'risks' have the time & guidance to bed in properly.

Agreed there is no 'beef' so to speak.

First example, interpreting the argument that we have stockpiled in one position as a slight against Koeman. I take it as just pointing out we have a lot of very good players in one position whilst managing to not sign anyone we can be certain is good in the crucial leading-the-line role.

We agree on Wayne being short-term, and that no one here knows of our budgetary constraints/limits.

The hark-back to the '90s seems completely out of place, although the idea width only matters at the back is fine if you are dominating time with the football. Without the ball width up-front is a great out-ball, especially with the kicking skill of Pickford.

I already picked on the idea Koeman got what he wanted, to be fair thought he strengthened three out of four areas if you were to divide the pitch in the most basic sense so that is not a disaster. Finally your newer post, see your point. It is still not a good strategy to bank on one-up-front forever. It would be better to have the choice of playing two strikers even with an injury and we barely have that at the moment.

I don't want to be too critical because we are only 3 matches in and may well achieve a lot!

p.s. love the use of 'facetious'
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September 06, 2017, 09:21:37 PM
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I didn't actually believe that point about 10 years - because i don't think they're similar players. I was just looking to see if there was a positive from the mind-set of them all being the same.

The 90s point was made as a lot of people have always thought we should play with 2 wingers. even now when we play a 3 in that position most people seemed to be wanting width there. I was just making the comparison based on the last time we actually had 2 wingers. Bringing it to today, even when Mirallas, Lookman & Lennon available (rarely) he doesn't seem inclined to play 2 of them. That can only lead to the assumption he wants 1 wide player and 2 central playing behind the striker. In that case it's strange to argue that we have "too many number 10s".


However, and i mentioned this to begin with, we should all agree that not getting another striker in is a massive failure and a blow to any chance we had of getting into that 6th spot.

September 06, 2017, 09:38:08 PM
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Because the strikers he wanted weren't available, Giroud for example.

No offence mate but that's garbage, Giroud maybe but who are the rest he wanted but weren't available?

Do you think Koeman would've said "tell you what, there's no one I fancy so leave it til January"?
Even though that only leaves him DCL & now Niasse as out and out strikers?

September 06, 2017, 10:27:12 PM
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The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool


Not this discussion AGAIN. Can we please have this "Where's our new Striker" discussion at the end of January please?

September 06, 2017, 10:34:29 PM
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kramer0


International breaks are still the worst.

September 07, 2017, 03:08:34 AM
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