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Title: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 01:24:23 AM
Be nice if we maybe tried to score a goal in this one. The way they play they're always vulnerable at the back, no reason for us not to have a go.

The ship has been steadied, we're on a decent unbeaten run so now we need to start playing a bit of football.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on December 28, 2017, 01:27:15 AM
Think this will be slightly easier than WBA.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 28, 2017, 01:31:53 AM
Think this will be slightly easier than WBA.

What can be easier than a team who hasn't won for 17 games and who are by all accounts, useless?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 01:33:56 AM
Won 2 away games in a year. I think people have to be realistic about how good (or bad) we actually are.
Unfortunately a draw is a more than decent result for us here
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 28, 2017, 01:34:53 AM
Hope the negativity doesn't bite us on the arse myself....and we actually have a few shots .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 01:35:01 AM
Won 2 away games in a year. I think people have to be realistic about how good (or bad) we actually are.
Unfortunately a draw is a more than decent result for us here

No it's not.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 28, 2017, 01:36:56 AM
Won 2 away games in a year. I think people have to be realistic about how good (or bad) we actually are.
Unfortunately a draw is a more than decent result for us here

Yeah, as I expected the expectations are already starting to be lowered.

People calling a point against west Brom and good result, and now this.

They're 18th in the league. Anything but a win is poor.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 28, 2017, 01:37:21 AM
This must be the 20th time this season we've had back to back away games as well.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on December 28, 2017, 01:39:08 AM
Need a win here as there are some tough games coming up
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2017, 01:43:02 AM
Got a feeling these might do us, on that narrow pitch with their ability to put waves of attacks together. Think our defensive stability, while much improved, has relied on a fair bit of luck in a number of games and that'll run out eventually.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 28, 2017, 01:56:00 AM
Got a feeling these might do us, on that narrow pitch with their ability to put waves of attacks together. Think our defensive stability, while much improved, has relied on a fair bit of luck in a number of games and that'll run out eventually.

That width thing. Complete Bullshit.

http://www.football-stadiums.co.uk/articles/are-all-football-pitches-the-same-size/
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2017, 01:58:52 AM
That width thing. Complete Bullshit.

http://www.football-stadiums.co.uk/articles/are-all-football-pitches-the-same-size/

Fair do's. Must just feel narrower.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 02:16:39 AM
No it's not.

Well we weren't favourites for the West Brom game and we aren't favourites for this. It seems the views here on games we should be winning aren't shared by less biased judges.
We should be winning based on spend and ambition but unfortunately we are actually a bit shit.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on December 28, 2017, 02:20:15 AM
                          Pickford
          Kenny Holgate Keane Martina
               Schneiderlin Baningime
                         Sigurdsson
                    Vlasic DCL Bolasie

Robles, Williams, Jagielka, Davies, Lennon, Lookman, Niasse


I reckon we would win 3-0 with that side
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 02:20:37 AM
Well we weren't favourites for the West Brom game and we aren't favourites for this. It seems the views here on games we should be winning aren't shared by less biased judges.
We should be winning based on spend and ambition but unfortunately we are actually a bit shit.

It's nothing to do with being biased, if you think drawing away to the team third bottom of the league ten points behind our poor start is a "more than decent result" then you really do have pathetic ambitions.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 28, 2017, 02:30:24 AM
                          Pickford
          Kenny Holgate Gibson Martina
               Schneiderlin Baningime
                         Sigurdsson
                    Vlasic DCL Bolasie

Robles, Williams, Jagielka, Davies, Lennon, Lookman, Niasse


I reckon we would win 3-0 with that side
Itís Christmas mate, Gibbo will be pissed somewhere up Sunderland way.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 02:36:31 AM
It's nothing to do with being biased, if you think drawing away to the team third bottom of the league ten points behind our poor start is a "more than decent result" then you really do have pathetic ambitions.

Nothing to do with ambitions. I have ambitions to be better them ambitions don't magic up a premier league quality striker, a genuine playmaker or an offensive fit premier league quality winger though. Last I looked we were over 2to1 to win this game. 1 in 3 chance and people are demanding a win like it's unthinkable we won't.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on December 28, 2017, 02:39:14 AM
What can be easier than a team who hasn't won for 17 games and who are by all accounts, useless?
...................WBA are clearly not useless ,they got a point at Anfield without being gifted a penalty and they had several chances to score against us. Bournemouth play a more open style of football and should be easier to break down. Hence my opinion this will be a slightly easier game .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 02:41:41 AM
Nothing to do with ambitions. I have ambitions to be better them ambitions don't magic up a premier league quality striker, a genuine playmaker or an offensive fit premier league quality winger though. Last I looked we were over 2to1 to win this game. 1 in 3 chance and people are demanding a win like it's unthinkable we won't.


No one's demanding a win or saying it's unthinkable that we won't.

Drawing at Bournemouth isn't a "more than decent result" though.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 28, 2017, 02:42:34 AM
Considering we haven't beaten a single team above 10th this season, this is a definite must win.

I can almost justify the poor WBA result as Boxing Day blues, those games are always hard after Xmas Day, but we should be able to dispatch Bournemouth reasonably simply. They're quite an open team. Even long ball should get some kind of result.

However, I expect we'll have less possession and struggle to score.

As @gash said, the ship has been steadied, now it's time to ask more of the players.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2017, 02:43:18 AM
Nothing to do with ambitions. I have ambitions to be better them ambitions don't magic up a premier league quality striker, a genuine playmaker or an offensive fit premier league quality winger though. Last I looked we were over 2to1 to win this game. 1 in 3 chance and people are demanding a win like it's unthinkable we won't.


We're probably 2/1 because the bookies noticed we didn't have a shot at goal until injury time, against a team in 19th, who haven't won any Prem game since mid August.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 02:47:12 AM
No one's demanding a win or saying it's unthinkable that we won't.

Drawing at Bournemouth isn't a "more than decent result" though.

It is for where we are. Obviously not for where we want to be but where we are makes Bournemouth favourites.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 02:47:46 AM
We're probably 2/1 because the bookies noticed we didn't have a shot at goal until injury time, against a team in 19th, who haven't won any Prem game since mid August.

Were over 2to1 for that game too.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 02:48:05 AM
It is for where we are.

No honestly, it isn't. Regardless of what the bookies say.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2017, 02:48:49 AM
Were over 2to1 for that game too.

Seems they know Allardyce rather well
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 02:50:10 AM
No honestly, it isn't. Regardless of what the bookies say.

Go get rich then. If they are wrong go make some money. I'd imagine Bournemouths home record is a hell of a lot better than our away record though.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 28, 2017, 02:50:39 AM
A couple of actual attempts on goal would be nice, the west brom performance was unacceptable, proper shithouse tactics against a struggling team is just ridiculous
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 02:51:03 AM
Seems they know Allardyce rather well

We've won 2 away games in a year. Half of which was under allardyce. Yeah our problem is definitely him
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Silas on December 28, 2017, 02:52:18 AM
Eight games ago a draw would have been a good result. Now it won't be and to demonstrate progress we need to show some decent passages of play alongside a win ideally
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2017, 02:56:12 AM
We've won 2 away games in a year. Half of which was under allardyce. Yeah our problem is definitely him

Mate we've got Utd, the RS etc coming up, and you're going to be arguing that we'll do brilliantly to get anything at all out of those games and you will be right and people will agree with you.

But don't try to sell us that shite against 18th and 19th in the league. It doesn't wash.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 28, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
Fair do's. Must just feel narrower.

yeah, didn't mean to sound harsh and as I read that back it could come across that way so apologies for that. Pundits love to use that line of more width at some grounds etc and that was only true for Stoke when they played long throw football.

I remember researching this a few years back as i always felt places like Anfield etc seemed so much bigger as did Old trafford. But it's all camera angles and where the camera's are situated in the stands.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 03:00:18 AM
Go get rich then. If they are wrong go make some money. I'd imagine Bournemouths home record is a hell of a lot better than our away record though.

I'm not interested in what the bookies are saying or putting money on it. Look, forget our away form, forget the bookies, forget Bournemouth's home form, forget everything in fact, Everton Football Club drawing with AFC Bournemouth anywhere is not a "more than decent result" and it's a pathetic mentality to think it is. These are the type of games we should be having a proper go at winning.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 03:01:28 AM
Mate we've got Utd, the RS etc coming up, and you're going to be arguing that we'll do brilliantly to get anything at all out of those games and you will be right and people will agree with you.

But don't try to sell us that shite against 18th and 19th in the league. It doesn't wash.

I'm not saying I'd be delighted with a draw. I'm saying we are a bit shit and according to the odds a draw would be a reasonable result.

Have you watched us play. We haven't controlled a 90 minutes all season. Given that we can't be that confident or expectant of beating anyone. Unfortunately we just aren't very good and for me won't be until we add 2 or 3 quality players in attacking positions

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 03:03:34 AM
I'm not interested in what the bookies are saying or putting money on it. Look, forget our away form, forget the bookies, forget Bournemouth's home form, forget everything in fact, Everton Football Club drawing with AFC Bournemouth anywhere is not a "more than decent result" and it's a pathetic mentality to think it is. These are the type of games we should be having a proper go at winning.

Absolutely and we should have a striker. We should have proper cover at left back. We sure as hell should have a playmaker given we apparently signed 3. I'm not arguing the point of ambition. We should be hammering these but currently we don't have a squad to hammer anyone
We can say "we are Everton" all we like but that's not the reality of what we can field on a Saturday
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2017, 03:11:32 AM
I'm not saying I'd be delighted with a draw. I'm saying we are a bit shit and according to the odds a draw would be a reasonable result.

Have you watched us play. We haven't controlled a 90 minutes all season. Given that we can't be that confident or expectant of beating anyone. Unfortunately we just aren't very good and for me won't be until we add 2 or 3 quality players in attacking positions



You're effectively saying we're fairly shite right? Ok, and we're 9/10 places above those two teams in the league, so that says that they are significantly worse than us. Forget bookies. The table tells you where you are in relation to other teams.

Those two teams are garbage and a team 9/10 places above them should expect to beat them (and have a shot or two against them) every single time, in every situation, in every league.

Apart from trying to lower expectations, so that we all think a point against dross is a good result, what you're saying doesn't actually make logical sense at all.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 03:14:35 AM
Absolutely and we should have a striker. We should have proper cover at left back. We sure as hell should have a playmaker given we apparently signed 3. I'm not arguing the point of ambition. We should be hammering these but currently we don't have a squad to hammer anyone
We can say "we are Everton" all we like but that's not the reality of what we can field on a Saturday

I know, we all know, you've trotted the same thing out umpteen times. Bringing it up in every thread isn't going to make it any different though.

You can have an opinion without repeating it 100's of times.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 28, 2017, 03:22:45 AM
You're effectively saying we're fairly shite right? Ok, and we're 9/10 places above those two teams in the league, so that says that they are significantly worse than us. Forget bookies. The table tells you where you are in relation to other teams.

Those two teams are garbage and a team 9/10 places above them should expect to beat them (and have a shot or two against them) every single time, in every situation, in every league.

Apart from trying to lower expectations, so that we all think a point against dross is a good result, what you're saying doesn't actually make logical sense at all.

And to add to this... It's ok to sometimes even lose to teams below you when you play badly or they play well. But to not even try and win like Saturday is inexcusable
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 03:33:53 AM
You're effectively saying we're fairly shite right? Ok, and we're 9/10 places above those two teams in the league, so that says that they are significantly worse than us. Forget bookies. The table tells you where you are in relation to other teams.

Those two teams are garbage and a team 9/10 places above them should expect to beat them (and have a shot or two against them) every single time, in every situation, in every league.

Apart from trying to lower expectations, so that we all think a point against dross is a good result, what you're saying doesn't actually make logical sense at all.

But our away record is worse than their home records (I would assume or they'd have been relegated)

we just aren't very good. Hopefully we'll play well defensively and snatch it. There's nothing in the past year that suggests we'll control the game and create lots of chances.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 03:35:19 AM
I know, we all know, you've trotted the same thing out umpteen times. Bringing it up in every thread isn't going to make it any different though.

You can have an opinion without repeating it 100's of times.  :thumbsup:

I'm actually talking about the reality of our squad compared to you shouting "we are Everton" I'm not so much repeating my opinion more urging you to look at reality.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 28, 2017, 03:43:04 AM
But our away record is worse than their home records (I would assume or they'd have been relegated)

we just aren't very good. Hopefully we'll play well defensively and snatch it. There's nothing in the past year that suggests we'll control the game and create lots of chances.

As you well know, no-one is expecting us to control the game and create lots of chances. You, and people who agree with you, keep deliberately misrepresenting what me and others are saying.

Just a few shots on goal and a decent counter attacking display would be a start. At the moment we're just camping out in our box and launching it to the corner flag.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 03:45:08 AM
As you well know, no-one is expecting us to control the game and create lots of chances. You, and people who agree with you, keep deliberately misrepresenting what me and others are saying.

Just a few shots on goal and a decent counter attacking display would be a start. At the moment we're just camping out in our box and launching it to the corner flag.

I don't disagree then. All I'm saying is that people suggesting we should win aren't looking at the reality of our last years worth of results and performances

We are want better. I just think it will take the transfer window before we see real improvement
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 03:46:36 AM
I'm actually talking about the reality of our squad compared to you shouting "we are Everton" I'm not so much repeating my opinion more urging you to look at reality.

I'm not shouting "we are Everton" no one is and no one is demanding we win. I'm just stating that we should be looking to win these kind of games and not thinking a draw is a decent result, regardless of our squad shortcomings.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 03:57:17 AM
I'm not shouting "we are Everton" no one is and no one is demanding we win. I'm just stating that we should be looking to win these kind of games and not thinking a draw is a decent result, regardless of our squad shortcomings.

I totally agree. Of course we need to have a go and try and win the game. I just think realistically that us away are no better than them at home so pretty much all results are equally likely

I wasn't happy with the West Brom game. We were shite. Defensively and in attack. the results previously were great because they were built on a good defence. The West Brom game was just pure luck

I'm certainly not saying we should play for a draw or that I'd be happy with the result. Just that it's not an unlikely outcome or even subpar when considering our terrible long term form
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2017, 03:59:02 AM
These can actually attack, unlike West Brom.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on December 28, 2017, 04:23:09 AM
Reckon we'll get our third 0-0 win in a row here
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: pjk on December 28, 2017, 04:34:05 AM
I'm not interested in what the bookies are saying or putting money on it. Look, forget our away form, forget the bookies, forget Bournemouth's home form, forget everything in fact, Everton Football Club drawing with AFC Bournemouth anywhere is not a "more than decent result" and it's a pathetic mentality to think it is. These are the type of games we should be having a proper go at winning.





Ah, fuck off all of yeah. That reminds me, the way I thought months ago. Gash is sound. Well! I'm still posting. ;D

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 28, 2017, 04:40:57 AM
I feel we really need to be having a go against these. Play for the win and not play not to concede. Don't want there to be loads of pressure on the United game.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 28, 2017, 05:19:53 AM
Anything but a win and itís honeymoon period over for Allardyce.

Thereís a tremendous lack of patience with our fanbase these days and will turn on Allardyce in no time if results are poor, especially if weíre playing horrible football.

Arguably by starting so well results wise Allardyce has actually created a rod for his own back as expectations have been raised significantly.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 28, 2017, 05:47:23 AM
Hopefully be better in attack against these than we were against West Brom.

They'll leave more space, plus I hope everyone has had a word with themselves (attacking-wise) after the last game.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on December 28, 2017, 05:56:02 AM
Itís Christmas mate, Gibbo will be pissed somewhere up Sunderland way.

Haha, I sort of meant Keane, but would also like us to get Ben Gibson from Boro.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2017, 06:08:08 AM
Anything but a win and itís honeymoon period over for Allardyce.

Thereís a tremendous lack of patience with our fanbase these days and will turn on Allardyce in no time if results are poor, especially if weíre playing horrible football.

Arguably by starting so well results wise Allardyce has actually created a rod for his own back as expectations have been raised significantly.

I agree. Not arsed about what anyone says about Ďhaving a go and getting beaten 5-0í etc. etc. if we have to watch a few more of those painfully drab nil nils the knives will be out, as we all expected and what usually happens with Big Samís sides I think.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 28, 2017, 06:21:58 AM
This game is all about the performance and the intent for me. A win would be great but if we go out and play, have a go, create a load of chances but canít finish because we have very little quality up top then Iíll see that as progress.
Itíll show me the penny is starting to drop and weíve attempted to move on from Ďsteadying the shipí as weíre in fuckin 9th and a stones throw away from a European place.

More of what we saw served up the other day isnít good enough.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 28, 2017, 06:47:41 AM
Anything but a win and itís honeymoon period over for Allardyce.

Thereís a tremendous lack of patience with our fanbase these days and will turn on Allardyce in no time if results are poor, especially if weíre playing horrible football.

Arguably by starting so well results wise Allardyce has actually created a rod for his own back as expectations have been raised significantly.
Sorry, the politest way I can describe this is "bollocks".  Anything but a win etc etc. Have the personnel changed overnight? No. Is  Rooney likely to play? No. How can expectations have been raised significantly? Slightly might be a fairer description, but significantly? Dear oh Dear. I imagine the Shite's expectations have risen significantly with their £75m deal for van Dyke. What additions are we announcing to make any difference?  I guess if we had lost 1-0 at WBA the knives would have been out already with impatient people like you "turning on Allardyce". If you do it near me at Goodison I will clobber you with my manbag.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 28, 2017, 07:57:03 AM
Suddenly a draw away to Bournemouth is a good result?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 28, 2017, 08:46:59 AM
Suddenly a draw away to Bournemouth is a good result?

Surely no one actually thinks this

I think a win of any sort for us is a good result, even if 1-0.

I know this sounds obvious but it is easier to win at home than it is away. In theory this type of game should be easier for us to win than the West Brom game as these are more likely to leave space in behind rather than be boring as shit like Everton or West Brom

The difference between the manager who Iím sure you wish was still in the job (Roberto Martinez) and the man who is in the job (Sam Allardyce) is that the former would be more likely to get a 3-3 draw, whereas the latter will be more likely to get a 0-0 draw
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on December 28, 2017, 11:48:40 AM
I hate playing these fuckers.

It's gonna be a nail biter right till the end.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 28, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
We havenít won there since they came back to the top division - and that was with better personnel in the Everton team

But all of a sudden our current team which is full of crap attacking players like Lennon, Niasse, Davies, etc combined with other players playing out of position such as Sigurdsson, Martina, etc is expected to go there and win

Have we signed a new midfield and strike force since the West Brom game?

Is the mountain of injured players all fully recovered and match fit?


Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: D15TIN on December 28, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
Bin this 3/5 at the back, 4231

-----------Pickford

Kenny Holgate Williams Martina

----Schneiderlin Rooney

Lennon Sigurdsson Bolasie

-------Calvert-Lewin

I actually think this will be tougher than west brom, we havnt had a great time away at Bournemouth in the past.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 28, 2017, 02:51:28 PM
We've got very little attacking threat, especially without our top scorer.

The '0-0 vs '3-3' argument is an interesting one. Scoring 3 would appease most but I'd prefer 0-0, especially for a team in transition. It's more sensible to build on defensive organisation. I know we've ridden our luck but the defensive stats are there and are good.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on December 28, 2017, 03:50:16 PM
We're probably 2/1 because the bookies noticed we didn't have a shot at goal until injury time, against a team in 19th, who haven't won any Prem game since mid August.
WBA was favourites at the Danish bookmakers aswell followed by a draw and best odds on us winning
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: D15TIN on December 28, 2017, 03:54:11 PM
We're probably 2/1 because the bookies noticed we didn't have a shot at goal until injury time, against a team in 19th, who haven't won any Prem game since mid August.
Weve also won 2 away league games in 2017
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 28, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
It's all gonna be like blaming Red Adair for the fire.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 28, 2017, 04:28:58 PM
These conceded three goals against West Ham.

Sad to see some of the stuff getting chatted in this thread.

I won't be having any meltdown of we draw like, but let's not pretend it's a good result of we do. We should be beating these with relative ease.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: D15TIN on December 28, 2017, 04:36:33 PM
These conceded three goals against West Ham.

Sad to see some of the stuff getting chatted in this thread.

I won't be having any meltdown of we draw like, but let's not pretend it's a good result of we do. We should be beating these with relative ease.
Don't think its easy like, weve had better EFC sides go there and get nothing
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 28, 2017, 04:41:08 PM
Don't think its easy like, weve had better EFC sides go there and get nothing

That's when Bournemouth were decent.

They're 18th in the league and on their way down, having just conceded three goals to a poor West Ham team.

We should be winning this. If we beat West Brom then I'd be inclined to say a point is a decent result. But having just seen the performance on Boxing Day we need to be winning this and anything less than a win is poor.

We are actually a really good team, with some players ten times as good as theirs. They just haven't been managed properley this season.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 28, 2017, 04:41:38 PM
West Ham much improved since we played um.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on December 28, 2017, 04:42:02 PM
Played 9 won 7 drawn 1 and lost 1 in total.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 28, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
A draw isn't good enough, simple as that. We were shite against a very poor West Brom so looking for a much improved performance and a straight forward win here.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 04:52:09 PM
It's all a bit David Moyes 'knife to a gunfight' and 'just want to get out alive' mentality. It's Bournemouth away not Man City.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 28, 2017, 04:57:34 PM
We will sit back and hope to soak up all the pressure. That shitehawk stanislas will score his annual worldy and then we will soak up more pressure until the final whistle

Allardyce will be moan the aforementioned worldy and tell us how well we defended but we need to be better on the ball nut he is still proud of his very tired and weary teams effort. Xmas period is a tough run of games and it's our first loss
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 28, 2017, 04:59:08 PM
How about we just wait and see what happens first?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 05:42:50 PM
It's got to be better than West Brom. We were shite both ends of the pitch then. I'm more than happy if we restrict them to nothing and hopefully snatch it though. Create loads of chances or allow none are both a great base to build a team on.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 28, 2017, 05:48:49 PM
Past two games have been very poor offensively and it's coincided with our best player being injured. I'm sure the two are connected so if he's back I'd expect a bit more going forward, especially as these lot leave holes all over the pitch because their manager has a misguided notion that this is how the game is supposed to be played. It'll take them down in my opinion but he's got a nice smiley face so the press won't jump on him for his piss poor tactics.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 28, 2017, 05:49:09 PM
How about we just wait and see what happens first?
Literally no fun in that
At all
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 28, 2017, 05:52:56 PM
Surely no one actually thinks this


In the spirit of the season, Oh Yes They Do!

Thereís excuses being made about our attack for some reason, ignoring the fact weíre the 8th highest scorers in the league and Bournemouth have only won 2 of their 10 home games all season.

Weíre supposed to be one of the form teams in the league, unbeaten since Allardyce came in 6 games ago, if we or the players canít feel confident right now about an away game to Bournemouth who are 18th in the league without a win in 8 games when can we?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 05:54:58 PM
In the spirit of the season, Oh Yes They Do!

Thereís excuses being made about our attack for some reason, ignoring the fact weíre the 8th highest scorers in the league and Bournemouth have only won 2 of their 10 home games all season.

Weíre supposed to be one of the form teams in the league, unbeaten since Allardyce came in 6 games ago, if we or the players canít feel confident right now about an away game to Bournemouth who are 18th in the league without a win in 8 games when can we?

We only scored goals when they were raining in at the other end. Maybe we just haven't got enough in the squad to do both
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 28, 2017, 06:00:56 PM
We only scored goals when they were raining in at the other end. Maybe we just haven't got enough in the squad to do both

They donít even average a goal a game.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on December 28, 2017, 06:10:20 PM
Will Rooney be back for this?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 28, 2017, 06:12:04 PM
We've got to go and attack these ....they will roll over if we do ....if we go and sit back like we have been doing ,I forsee a pantsing for Sam and his negative tactics.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 28, 2017, 06:14:21 PM
Will Rooney be back for this?

If he's sobered up then yes
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2017, 06:36:21 PM
Bit sick of it all tbh, feel bad saying it but weíve been so boring to watch for like 18 months + and terrible for a combined 2 years. Turning me off footy.

Donít particularly rate the squad, donít think there are any champions league quality players, and I donít particularly rate our manager or back room team.

Think weíve missed the boat once again, and although we were clutching to the top 6 with our fingernails itís never been clearer the vast difference between us and the big clubs and I donít see us making that ground up ever.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 28, 2017, 06:39:43 PM
Bit sick of it all tbh, feel bad saying it but we’ve been so boring to watch for like 18 months + and terrible for a combined 2 years. Turning me off footy.

Don’t particularly rate the squad, don’t think there are any champions league quality players, and I don’t particularly rate our manager or back room team.

Think we’ve missed the boat once again, and although we were clutching to the top 6 with our fingernails it’s never been clearer the vast difference between us and the big clubs and I don’t see us making that ground up ever.

The way we approach games against the top 6 tells us how far away from them we are. We don't even attempt to have a shot on the opposition goal, which for a team generally recognised as the 7th best team in the country is a pretty sad indictment of the quality of our league.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2017, 06:48:23 PM
The way we approach games against the top 6 tells us how far away from them we are. We don't even attempt to have a shot on the opposition goal, which for a team generally recognised as the 7th best team in the country is a pretty sad indictment of the quality of our league.

Unfortunately so. I know people moan about the Ďyou shouldnít be defending at homeí thing but itís a natural reaction to the way the leagues gone.

The big boys have teams, squads, managers and resources magnitudes above what anyone else has, so what the bloody hell can we do about it? Whatís the point? People will just stop going the match I think, having to watch shite like city v Newcastle, or us vs Chelsea the other night.

Not pleased about it but it does look like the league is going to eat itself.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: hill135 on December 28, 2017, 06:49:31 PM
I had no strong feelings on the Allardyce appointment but one thing I was worried about was that it would be divisive. It's proven to be the case with people at each other's throats while we're on a good run of form. Dread what it will be like when we start losing games.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 28, 2017, 06:58:29 PM
There seems to be a kind of arrogance that we should be turning over teams like Bournemouth. Well, yes we should, but that discounts everything that has gone before this season.

I think we can all agree that the WBA game was awful and we certainly have to offer more going forward. It all depends on circumstances, of course, but an away draw isn't a terrible result. It's not particularly inspiring and hopefully in future we'll be better placed to dominate, but we have been truly awful this season so it's ridiculous to start saying anything other than 3 points is poor (especially away from home).
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 28, 2017, 07:35:00 PM
Agree that the PL standard below the top 6 is poor. Disagree that this has put off the fans who in most cases turn up in good numbers. We get 39000 every home game. The three coming up from the Championship will bring more full houses. I agree with Allardyce who said there is little point in building a new ground unless we are challenging for the top places.  How far are we from that? Probably some distance, yet people are calling for his head already after only a few weeks. Rome wasn't built in a day. Can Allardyce build a team to seriously challenge the top 6? I don't know, but he certainly cannot do it in less than 2 seasons. We shall see. Those who don't want to  spend their money watching this present Everton can make their choice and stay away. Plenty will take their places.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 28, 2017, 07:46:08 PM
Agree that the PL standard below the top 6 is poor. Disagree that this has put off the fans who in most cases turn up in good numbers. We get 39000 every home game. The three coming up from the Championship will bring more full houses. I agree with Allardyce who said there is little point in building a new ground unless we are challenging for the top places.  How far are we from that? Probably some distance, yet people are calling for his head already after only a few weeks. Rome wasn't built in a day. Can Allardyce build a team to seriously challenge the top 6? I don't know, but he certainly cannot do it in less than 2 seasons. We shall see. Those who don't want to  spend their money watching this present Everton can make their choice and stay away. Plenty will take their places.

Iím not saying the fans have turned their back, iím saying they eventually will if this disparity continues/gets greater which it will.

Nobody is calling for his head, but the slightly grim reality of hoofball under sam is becoming clear. To be absolutely fair, he needs time to bring in some players as I say, I donít rate our team or squad, we look so fucking mid table itís not even funny.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 28, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
I had no strong feelings on the Allardyce appointment but one thing I was worried about was that it would be divisive. It's proven to be the case with people at each other's throats while we're on a good run of form. Dread what it will be like when we start losing games.



Good point. Until we get a better standard of player itís unreasonable to expect much different.
Allardyce screams from the touchline every game to pass the ball but we donít do it. If the players we have arenít capable of it then we need to get in ones who are, which will take time.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 28, 2017, 07:56:11 PM
That is right. The Shite spent twice what van Dick is worth and we will be asked to fork out far more than we would like for a striker in this January window. Even if Sam gets in two players he thinks he needs, it will still take time to turn this around. He has inherited, at least in top 6 terms, a lousy squad. Maybe  someone else will have to carry it on after his contract has expired at the end of 18/19.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: D15TIN on December 28, 2017, 07:56:33 PM
Some weird comments on this, really negative - the teams had a bad spell now were re building and improving defensively, could still be playing in Europe again next season which was the target anyway.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 28, 2017, 08:20:01 PM
Surprises me there is so much talk about performances already, itís far too early into a new managerís tenure to judge how weíre playing. It takes months and a few transfer windows to get a cohesive team together. And itís not like the players heís working with are his. Half these lot wonít even be here next year. Actually, this team will look completely different in 6 weeks when weíve made a few signings and players are back from injury. The new players coming in will need time to settle and it might even take until next season before we see the best of them. And the squad is on its arse; Sam essentially said the other day that DCL is shattered and shouldnít be playing but Niasse is shite.

Itís not like Iím an ardent Allerdyce supporter but anyone whoís played footy at a half decent level (I played for Boston, Hitchin  and Cambridge City #bigtime, I know) knows how hard it is for a club to transition between managers with differing philosophies. Compounded by the change being made, midsession.

Iíll hope for an upturn in performances in the new year but I wonít truly judge him until after heís brought in his own players and had a preseason. That would be my outlook regardless of whether we had Pulis or Guardiola in charge.

That said, if weíd had Baines, Coleman, a fit Bolasie, Barkley and a proper striker playing against West Brom, the performance wouldíve been better, regardless of the managerís approach.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 28, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
The way we approach games against the top 6 tells us how far away from them we are. We don't even attempt to have a shot on the opposition goal, which for a team generally recognised as the 7th best team in the country is a pretty sad indictment of the quality of our league.
Thatís the same for all leagues isnít it? Never understand when people talk about the poor quality of the Premier League. Even the poorer teams have international players on very good wages. I read an article a little while ago that said 3/4 of players in La Liga players earn less than Ä15k p/w and clubs like Las Palmas, Elche and Leganes pay their players (on average) Ä5k p/w. Is that a strong league? If those players were any good surely theyíd be over here?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 08:50:14 PM
The wages are a reflection on the obscene amount of money floating around the Premier League rather than a gauge of the quality on show. There's some very average players in the Premier League and even the Championship earning money way beyond that of their ability.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 08:56:22 PM
The wages are a reflection on the obscene amount of money floating around the Premier League rather than a gauge of the quality on show. There's some very average players in the Premier League and even the Championship earning money way beyond that of their ability.

Exactly. English footballs new found wealth has just seen them spend more on the exact same standard of player
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on December 28, 2017, 10:11:23 PM
Cannot help what the profession earns, beyond our control - the going rate is the going rate and if they are overpaid, that's their luck, however obscene

If us fans don't like it, we don't have to support them or the game



Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 28, 2017, 10:23:11 PM
Cannot help what the profession earns, beyond our control - the going rate is the going rate and if they are overpaid, that's their luck, however obscene

If us fans don't like it, we don't have to support them or the game





I think the point is they are overpaid compared to other leagues not as a profession. So rather than overpaying we should just pay better players from elsewhere the money instead.

Wages and transfer fees in English football are rising.... standards are not
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blue1948 on December 28, 2017, 10:30:09 PM
I think the point is they are overpaid compared to other leagues not as a profession. So rather than overpaying we should just pay better players from elsewhere the money instead.

Wages and transfer fees in English football are rising.... standards are not
I think a lot of the overpaid players are the ones from elsewhere .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 28, 2017, 10:32:30 PM
The wages are a reflection on the obscene amount of money floating around the Premier League rather than a gauge of the quality on show. There's some very average players in the Premier League and even the Championship earning money way beyond that of their ability.
But surely if those Ďvery poor playersí could be replaced with Ďgood playersí from Spain, on a third of the wages, why wouldnít teams do it?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 28, 2017, 10:48:32 PM
But surely if those Ďvery poor playersí could be replaced with Ďgood playersí from Spain, on a third of the wages, why wouldnít teams do it?

I said "very average" not poor. ;)

I don't know, you'd need to ask the scouts and managers about that, although if the story you read is true then it is a surprise that the Premier League and Championship isn't awash with Spanish players? All I was saying is players wages doesn't necessarily mean that it's a better quality of league, it just means there's more money to pay better wages.

And I've completely lost track of what any of this has to do with Bournemouth v Everton? :)
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 28, 2017, 11:29:33 PM
I think the league appears less competitive than it used to be because we now have a top 6 whereas previously we had a strong top 2/3 and then the rest. So every week unless top clubs are playing each other we see half a dozen games which resemble attack v defence. So what on one hand is held up as a symbol of the competitiveness at the top of the league appears on the other to show a very poor 2/3 and then the big clubs.

But yeh, we should at least be having a go at Bournemouth and not thinking a point is a good result.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheTone on December 29, 2017, 01:09:00 AM
Another away game in a hectic Xmas period is tough going for any premier league team

Would be happy to come away with a point like
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 29, 2017, 01:23:55 AM
In the spirit of the season, Oh Yes They Do!

Thereís excuses being made about our attack for some reason, ignoring the fact weíre the 8th highest scorers in the league and Bournemouth have only won 2 of their 10 home games all season.

Weíre supposed to be one of the form teams in the league, unbeaten since Allardyce came in 6 games ago, if we or the players canít feel confident right now about an away game to Bournemouth who are 18th in the league without a win in 8 games when can we?

Well can I express that I will be disappointed if we donít win this one?

I will take an awful performance full of drab football with a 1-0 win

This could make me part of the problem though!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on December 29, 2017, 02:28:16 AM
I'll settle for 28 pts going into the new year - draw it is!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 29, 2017, 07:36:18 AM
Well can I express that I will be disappointed if we donít win this one?

I will take an awful performance full of drab football with a 1-0 win

This could make me part of the problem though!

Got to be honest Stealth I think we need at least an attacking game plan come what may considering our next 3 games.

If the obvious plan is to win by attacking a poor defence with an awful home record and come away with nothing Iíll be cucumber. But if we go there and mimic the last two awful drab performances weíve seen itíll infuriate me because thereís clearly nothing to be concerned over looking at their home record and goalscoring capacities.

Honestly if we don't go for it in this game you might as well set an Everton alarm for the end of January and hope Allardyce gets some bollocks for the West Brom game on the 20th.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 29, 2017, 02:59:40 PM
Do you know we are playing premier league Bournemouth, not non league Bromley?

This talk that somehow if we attack them they will fall apart and we win. Thatís not based on any sense of reality.

An ageing Defoe would walk into our team.
They will start the match with the best finisher on the pitch.
 
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 29, 2017, 03:01:56 PM
Lads, can we stop saying that people are expecting really good football or to be controlling games, because no one is. I don't even have an issue with us setting up to be solid and difficult to beat in most games.

BUT...you have to have a genuine counter attacking threat of some description, and that has been the disappointment. That's all we're asking for, and that definitely isn't asking for too much.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 29, 2017, 03:04:37 PM
Do you know we are playing premier league Bournemouth, not non league Bromley?

This talk that somehow if we attack them they will fall apart and we win. Thatís not based on any sense of reality.

An ageing Defoe would walk into our team.
They will start the match with the best finisher on the pitch.
 

He's injured. But crack on building them up like they're Man City.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on December 29, 2017, 03:09:45 PM
He's injured. But crack on building them up like they're Man City.

Is Defoe Defoe out for our visit?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on December 29, 2017, 03:46:17 PM
Is Defoe Defoe out for our visit?
............Yes Yes
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 29, 2017, 03:49:56 PM
Rooney is fit and available for tomorrow
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 29, 2017, 08:07:38 PM
He's injured. But crack on building them up like they're Man City.

Anti Sam agenda
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 29, 2017, 08:25:04 PM
Anti Sam agenda

Not at all, I wasn't really for him coming but I'm reasonably happy with what he's done so far.

There's a happy medium though, an 'anti Sam agenda' isn't any different to a 'pro Sam agenda' and making out that Bournemouth are some sort of Premier League heavyweights to soften the blow if we don't beat them.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 29, 2017, 08:31:13 PM
We couldn't have beaten Accy Stanley before, hope he gets to addressing a few goals soon.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 29, 2017, 08:32:53 PM
We couldn't have beaten Accy Stanley before, hope he gets to addressing a few goals soon.
Yet we beat West ham before
Mad that
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 29, 2017, 08:39:44 PM
Not at all, I wasn't really for him coming but I'm reasonably happy with what he's done so far.

There's a happy medium though, an 'anti Sam agenda' isn't any different to a 'pro Sam agenda' and making out that Bournemouth are some sort of Premier League heavyweights to soften the blow if we don't beat them.

Annoys me the way some people think hes some sort of miracle worker, we were never in danger of being in trouble, we beat shite teams and he gets hailed even more, we draw against average struggling teams and it's a good result. A draw on Sat is far from a good result, its poor, same as the West Brom game.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 29, 2017, 08:49:26 PM
Yet we beat West ham before
Mad that
The Sam effect was mad....didn't want him either would rather Unsy had flown and he might have done,we won't know now, some have soon forgotten just how bad it was already...mad that
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 29, 2017, 08:52:21 PM
Annoys me the way some people think hes some sort of miracle worker, we were never in danger of being in trouble, we beat shite teams and he gets hailed even more, we draw against average struggling teams and it's a good result. A draw on Sat is far from a good result, its poor, same as the West Brom game.

I assume you were always telling us we had good defenders but just a poor manager

See this is the agenda. He's done a great job so far and yet there's plenty who want to give him little to no credit

People are absolutely itching to slaughter him. He rightly should have bought himself a reasonable amount of time with the results to date.

I don't think he's a miracle worker but I don't know how anyone can dispute he's done a great job this far
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 29, 2017, 08:56:45 PM
I assume you were always telling us we had good defenders but just a poor manager

See this is the agenda. He's done a great job so far and yet there's plenty who want to give him little to no credit

People are absolutely itching to slaughter him. He rightly should have bought himself a reasonable amount of time with the results to date.

I don't think he's a miracle worker but I don't know how anyone can dispute he's done a great job this far

He's done a good job so far, not great.

Think the majority of comments have been fair towards him so far.

Apart from the odd person I don't see anyone pushing an agenda.

I think people just have different expectations to others.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 29, 2017, 08:56:45 PM
I assume you were always telling us we had good defenders but just a poor manager

See this is the agenda. He's done a great job so far and yet there's plenty who want to give him little to no credit

People are absolutely itching to slaughter him. He rightly should have bought himself a reasonable amount of time with the results to date.

I don't think he's a miracle worker but I don't know how anyone can dispute he's done a great job this far

No agenda at all, never wanted him here, I'm not gonna be a hypocrite and hail him as some of saviour now, yes he's doing a decent job, but performances need to improve
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 29, 2017, 09:26:33 PM
He's done a good job so far, not great.

Think the majority of comments have been fair towards him so far.

Apart from the odd person I don't see anyone pushing an agenda.

I think people just have different expectations to others.

I think most have been fair but a lot of them fair ones do also add that they'll be no patience when the results go south.

We've not even had a transfer window yet and we were in a dreadful mess before he came. We've improved massively but there's definitely plenty who don't want to give him much time if the results aren't great.

Not so much an agenda but I think a lot decided they didn't want him beforehand and despite him doing a good job so far it will take very little for them to decide they were right all along.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 29, 2017, 09:29:14 PM
No agenda at all, never wanted him here, I'm not gonna be a hypocrite and hail him as some of saviour now, yes he's doing a decent job, but performances need to improve

Them results are much better than decent. We'd have been happy with them under Martinez when we thought we were on the brink of something. The results have been great. Defensively apart from West Brom the performances have been great too. Attacking wise we've been shite.
Maybe I'm in a slightly different position being more miserable than most as I just think our attacking players are crap. Think we'll be much better after the window (assuming we get 2 or 3 in)
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 29, 2017, 09:35:18 PM
Annoys me the way some people think hes some sort of miracle worker, we were never in danger of being in trouble, we beat shite teams and he gets hailed even more, we draw against average struggling teams and it's a good result.

World class gibberish. Confuses me so much why certain people keep pedaling this and just won't let it go.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 29, 2017, 09:55:25 PM
Usual fare. Maybe a goal. Lots of moaning. Christ on a bike.......
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 29, 2017, 10:07:21 PM
World class gibberish. Confuses me so much why certain people keep pedaling this and just won't let it go.

Pedalling what exactly? Its all about opinions, hes done nothing at all to change mine yet
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 29, 2017, 10:11:37 PM
World class gibberish. Confuses me so much why certain people keep pedaling this and just won't let it go.
Dunno what he's pedalling tbh
We beat some poor sides at home
We held onto two draws against "better" sides
I fail to see how anyone can be happy with the West Brom game
He's not done amazingly, after every game he's pretty much said the same thing about being better with the ball but we've seen no change

Defensively, sound. Couldn't ask for a lot more.
The rest tho, simply has to improve, massively
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 29, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
Pedalling what exactly? Its all about opinions, hes done nothing at all to change mine yet

He may not have changed your opinion but he has certainly changed the plight of our team. We were utter garbage getting pumped 3, 4 and 5 by average teams and sitting 19th in the league. Could someone else have done the same job?  Maybe, but he was brought in and he has done really well. And that is without making any signings or having any sustained period to assess and properly train the squad in the way that would happen in a preseason. I feel like I'm pushing an agenda here but it's nothing more than facts, unless anyone truly believes that we had turned the corner under Unsworth??!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 29, 2017, 10:24:03 PM
Dunno what he's pedalling tbh
We beat some poor sides at home
We held onto two draws against "better" sides
I fail to see how anyone can be happy with the West Brom game
He's not done amazingly, after every game he's pretty much said the same thing about being better with the ball but we've seen no change

Defensively, sound. Couldn't ask for a lot more.
The rest tho, simply has to improve, massively

Try PATIENCE.  Why does everything have to be a drama?  We're very unlikely to do much this season anyway so there's nothing to stress about. OK so we play some shit football. It'll get better.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 29, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
Try PATIENCE.  Why does everything have to be a drama?  We're very unlikely to do much this season anyway so there's nothing to stress about. OK so we play some shit football. It'll get better.
I have patience
I don't have patience with people telling me I should be happy with a nil nil, backs to the wall, hanging on, one shot on target agaisnt a side who are utter wank tho
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 29, 2017, 10:28:14 PM
I have patience
I don't have patience with people telling me I should be happy with a nil nil, backs to the wall, hanging on, one shot on target agaisnt a side who are utter wank tho

Haha OK
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 29, 2017, 10:33:46 PM
I have patience
I don't have patience with people telling me I should be happy with a nil nil, backs to the wall, hanging on, one shot on target agaisnt a side who are utter wank tho

Did anyone say that?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 29, 2017, 10:34:02 PM
I have patience
I don't have patience with people telling me I should be happy with a nil nil, backs to the wall, hanging on, one shot on target agaisnt a side who are utter wank tho

Ridiculous isnt it, same people are saying a point against Bournemouth is a good result.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 29, 2017, 10:35:02 PM
Did anyone say that?
Yes
They did
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 29, 2017, 10:36:19 PM
He may not have changed your opinion but he has certainly changed the plight of our team. We were utter garbage getting pumped 3, 4 and 5 by average teams and sitting 19th in the league. Could someone else have done the same job?  Maybe, but he was brought in and he has done really well. And that is without making any signings or having any sustained period to assess and properly train the squad in the way that would happen in a preseason. I feel like I'm pushing an agenda here but it's nothing more than facts, unless anyone truly believes that we had turned the corner under Unsworth??!

We were 13th when Allardyce was appointed and our league form had begun to turn with an easy set of fixtures coming up.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GLewis on December 29, 2017, 10:40:10 PM
I suppose a lot of this comes down to the choice of words.

For example saying I hope that we improve in terms of attacking would be read as a positive comment; whereas saying there has to be an improvement would be read as a negative one.

Obviously the end target is the same.

I would say a fair point re lack of progression re attacking is the lack of training time between a large number of games and Iíve no doubt that we have been spending a lot of time on organisation.

You donít improve defensively without work on it.

That needed sorted first and foremost.

Iíd expect better attacking as the season goes on when itís less hectic and the organisational stuff is more ingrained.

And we have a proper striker.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 29, 2017, 10:41:10 PM
We were 13th when Allardyce was appointed and our league form had begun to turn with an easy set of fixtures coming up.

Maybe we should get koeman back seeing as the fixture list was our only problem

The truth is we fluked a couple of results under unsworth to get us in that position. We look so much better defensively since allardyce came in

I just wonder when people will actually concede he's doing a good job. 1 poor performance with an average result and people are back moaning despite all the decent performances with good results that came before
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 29, 2017, 10:46:58 PM
Maybe we should get koeman back seeing as the fixture list was our only problem

The truth is we fluked a couple of results under unsworth to get us in that position. We look so much better defensively since allardyce came in

I just wonder when people will actually concede he's doing a good job. 1 poor performance with an average result and people are back moaning despite all the decent performances with good results that came before

You talking about luck?

Since Allardyce came in weíve been very lucky, in fact I canít remember a time when Iíve watched Everton and seen us get such a run of luck and decisions going our way game after game.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 29, 2017, 10:51:28 PM
Maybe we should get koeman back seeing as the fixture list was our only problem

The truth is we fluked a couple of results under unsworth to get us in that position. We look so much better defensively since allardyce came in

I just wonder when people will actually concede he's doing a good job. 1 poor performance with an average result and people are back moaning despite all the decent performances with good results that came before

Oh my god most people are saying he's done a good job for fucks sake.

We just have an issue with people like you saying he's basically working miracles and a point against Bournemouth is a good result.

That's where this whole debate stems from
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 29, 2017, 11:15:59 PM
Oh my god most people are saying he's done a good job for fucks sake.

We just have an issue with people like you saying he's basically working miracles and a point against Bournemouth is a good result.

That's where this whole debate stems from

A point against Bournemouth isn't a bad result. Wasnt it you who said anything less than a win was a terrible result. Sorry but that's just not realistic.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 29, 2017, 11:21:02 PM
We got a penalty at Anfield that was a fucking miracle.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 12:31:16 AM
I assume you were always telling us we had good defenders but just a poor manager

See this is the agenda. He's done a great job so far and yet there's plenty who want to give him little to no credit

People are absolutely itching to slaughter him. He rightly should have bought himself a reasonable amount of time with the results to date.

I don't think he's a miracle worker but I don't know how anyone can dispute he's done a great job this far

Loads of agenda on this forum

He has a big injury list, taken over a team with zero confidence that was conceding many goals under the clown Unsworth and fraud Koeman and hasnít had a transfer window to buy any players.

But haters gonna hate, sad.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 12:34:24 AM
Loads of agenda on this forum

He has a big injury list, taken over a team with zero confidence that was conceding many goals under the clown Unsworth and fraud Koeman and hasnít had a transfer window to buy any players.

But haters gonna hate, sad.
Agree with all but Unsworth???? bit harsh that mate surely??
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 12:35:04 AM
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Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 12:38:28 AM
A point against Bournemouth isn't a bad result. Wasnt it you who said anything less than a win was a terrible result. Sorry but that's just not realistic.

No i said a draw at Bournemouth is a poor result and I stand by that.

They're 18th in the league you know.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 12:44:05 AM
Agree with all but Unsworth???? bit harsh that mate surely??

Managing a kids team where your all pally pally is a world away from managing adults.

Iím sorry but best being honest with assessments of his dire performance instead of allowing Everton loyaltyís to cloud your judgement

It Says a lot about the Everton fan base and how fickle they are that so many wanted him as manager.
Plenty of idiots around
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eugene on December 30, 2017, 12:44:35 AM
You talking about luck?

Since Allardyce came in we've been very lucky, in fact I can't remember a time when I've watched Everton and seen us get such a run of luck and decisions going our way game after game.
Itís Sam Lee runs round Biddie hill windmill bollicko on a full moon and sacrifices a virgins knickers off the Ford
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eugene on December 30, 2017, 12:47:01 AM
Usual fare. Maybe a goal. Lots of moaning. Christ on a bike.......
Do you need to keep saying Christ on a bike?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 12:47:12 AM
Managing a kids team where your all pally pally is a world away from managing adults.

Iím sorry but best being honest with assessments of his dire performance instead of allowing Everton loyaltyís to cloud your judgement

It Says a lot about the Everton fan base and how fickle they are that so many wanted him as manager.
Plenty of idiots around

Agreed mate. Well said.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 12:49:42 AM
Seriously,
If you wanted unsworth as manager and thought he did a good job, please never complain again about winning nothing and having a lack of ambition as a club.

Big Sam is no Pep, but heís undoubtably a huge upgrade on Unsworth and Koeman .

The more I think about the Koeman regime, the more I realise he was a complete fraud

An honest one at times which was refreshing compared to Martinez positive rubbish, but still didnít have a clue how to set us up, team selection and played some terrible football

And he had Lukaku and Gerry
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 30, 2017, 12:49:57 AM
Loads of agenda on this forum

He has a big injury list, taken over a team with zero confidence that was conceding many goals under the clown Unsworth and fraud Koeman and hasnít had a transfer window to buy any players.

But haters gonna hate, sad.

Not having a bad word against someone and constantly exaggerating his achievements both in the past and so far here is a bigger agenda than anything else.

I doubt there's anyone that isn't happy that he's steadied the ship and made us harder to beat, what people are wanting now is to see if he can move on to the next level and put his money where his mouth is so to speak, he says he doesn't like the firefighter tag so now's his chance to prove that. All he's done so far is what is Sam Allardyce known for (the very reputation he doesn't like) go in and make a team hard to beat and not concede goals, now people want to see if we can start being a bit more attacking and play actual football rather than just play backs to the wall, hoof it up the park and try and knick a goal.

To be fair, he's making the right noises about wanting to be more attacking and getting a quality striker in but lets not start making out that he's suddenly reinvented the fucking wheel, he's not done anything over and above what he's known for, dull hard to beat football but we had over a game and a half against Chelsea and West Brom without a shot on target, that's nothing to praise him for regardless of the players at his disposal and something he needs to change.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 12:59:07 AM


I doubt there's anyone that isn't happy that he's steadied the ship and made us harder to beat, what people are wanting now is to see if he can move on to the next level and put his money where his mouth is so to speak, he says he doesn't like the firefighter tag so now's his chance to prove that. All he's done so far is what is Sam Allardyce known for (the very reputation he doesn't like) go in and make a team hard to beat and not concede goals, now people want to see if we can start being a bit more attacking and play actual football rather than just play backs to the wall, hoof it up the park and try and knick a goal.

To be fair, he's making the right noises about wanting to be more attacking and getting a quality striker in but lets not start making out that he's suddenly reinvented the fucking wheel, he's not done anything over and above what he's known for, dull hard to beat football but we had over a game and a half against Chelsea and West Brom without a shot on target, that's nothing to praise him for regardless of the players at his disposal and something he needs to change.

Itís not his squad!!
He has had 7 games , seven!

Give him the summer transfer window and a pre season then judge him in October.
Thatís what I said when he took over and I stand by it.

Ridiculous to judge him a few days before a window with an injury hit team and a squad full of stale crap like Besic, Lennon and Williams, a clown playing at left back and no decent striker.

Plus have people forgotten we are playing away not as Home?

So much agenda on this forum , Allardyce could win the league and some of you would slag him off for having the wrong colour tie.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 12:59:34 AM
Managing a kids team where your all pally pally is a world away from managing adults.

Iím sorry but best being honest with assessments of his dire performance instead of allowing Everton loyaltyís to cloud your judgement

It Says a lot about the Everton fan base and how fickle they are that so many wanted him as manager.
Plenty of idiots around
I understand your view on him taking over the first team, it's a valid point but does he deserve to be called a clown is what i meant that's all.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 01:02:55 AM
I understand your view on him taking over the first team, it's a valid point but does he deserve to be called a clown is what i meant that's all.

Okay I withdraw it

But
He did say he wanted the job so itís only fair to judge him on how he did.

I do not take back considering Ronald Koeman a fraud of a football manager.

His commitment to Everton was seriously questionable, but itís evertons fault for giving him the job in the first place as his commitment at every club he was at was only half hearted

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eugene on December 30, 2017, 01:03:39 AM
Not having a bad word against someone and constantly exaggerating his achievements both in the past and so far here is a bigger agenda than anything else.

I doubt there's anyone that isn't happy that he's steadied the ship and made us harder to beat, what people are wanting now is to see if he can move on to the next level and put his money where his mouth is so to speak, he says he doesn't like the firefighter tag so now's his chance to prove that. All he's done so far is what is Sam Allardyce known for (the very reputation he doesn't like) go in and make a team hard to beat and not concede goals, now people want to see if we can start being a bit more attacking and play actual football rather than just play backs to the wall, hoof it up the park and try and knick a goal.

To be fair, he's making the right noises about wanting to be more attacking and getting a quality striker in but lets not start making out that he's suddenly reinvented the fucking wheel, he's not done anything over and above what he's known for, dull hard to beat football but we had over a game and a half against Chelsea and West Brom without a shot on target, that's nothing to praise him for regardless of the players at his disposal and something he needs to change.
I fully agree with your post and cometh the hour,
I think itís shit or bust and I also think he gets us, so 17 months letís see what he can do.
I think Mosh will back him within reason so to steady the ship faze is complete letís see what happens in this window! I think itís obvious he doesnít like koemans signings so?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 01:06:19 AM
Okay I withdraw it

But
He did say he wanted the job so itís only fair to judge him on how he did.

I do not take back considering Ronald Koeman a fraud of a football manager.

His commitment to Everton was seriously questionable, but itís evertons fault for giving him the job in the first place as his commitment at every club he was at was only half hearted


You could never go too far slagging Koeman off for me the man was a turd in the milk..
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 30, 2017, 01:07:44 AM
It's not his squad!!
He has had 7 games , seven!

Give him the summer transfer window and a pre season then judge him in October.
That's what I said when he took over and I stand by it.

Ridiculous to judge him a few days before a window with an injury hit team and a squad full of stale crap like Besic, Lennon and Williams, a clown playing at left back and no decent striker.

Plus have people forgotten we are playing away not as Home?

So much agenda on this forum , Allardyce could win the league and some of you would slag him off for having the wrong colour tie.
Some might still slag him off for winning the league (gave me a giggle ). ...we didn't pressure Wba a shitter (alleged)team than us ....even under Rhino( who you love to hate historically) we Would ve had a shot even if we lost five nil... there has to be a better medium were we can do both even with Sams negative (so far) aproach ....time will tell I suppose but to class people's opinion as some sort of agenda is just silly ....most are willing to get behind him but at the same time don't want defence only footy and would like the occasional foray into the opositions half too .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eugene on December 30, 2017, 01:07:52 AM
You could never go too far slagging Koeman off for me the man was a turd in the milk..
Is that a farming expression mate?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 30, 2017, 01:08:13 AM
Itís not his squad!!
He has had 7 games , seven!

Give him the summer transfer window and a pre season then judge him in October.
Thatís what I said when he took over and I stand by it.

Ridiculous to judge him a few days before a window with an injury hit team and a squad full of stale crap like Besic, Lennon and Williams, a clown playing at left back and no decent striker.

Plus have people forgotten we are playing away not as Home?

So much agenda on this forum , Allardyce could win the league and some of you would slag him off for having the wrong colour tie.

See this is the problem, you're taking every comment as a massive criticism of Allardyce and then getting all dramatic about it. Then you're trying to play down the squad we've got even though it's still perfectly capable of 7th or 8th which is where we were looking at right at the beginning of the season anyway. It's a lost argument when you start using Besic as an example given he's played a total of 273 minutes all season (only 46 of which were in the Premier League), Lennon's been good when he's played and ironically Williams has improved massively under Allardyce.

It's classic playing things down so that if he fucks it up the excuses are already there. And you say everyone else has the agenda.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 01:14:07 AM
Is that a farming expression mate?
No i make them up for people i really hate, and i fuckin hate him.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 01:31:08 AM
Odd that Allardyce is given all this leeway because itís not his squad and full of shit players yet Unsworth gets no excuses for managing the same squad and never having a transfer window himself.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 01:37:24 AM
Odd that Allardyce is given all this leeway because itís not his squad and full of shit players yet Unsworth gets no excuses for managing the same squad and never having a transfer window himself.
Fair point you sensible bastard.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2017, 02:28:17 AM
Can barely understand whoís side who is on here, seems like both sides keep exaggerating what the other side thinks and the opponent rebuffs it.

Heís done well, heís sorted out a back four that was stinking the fucking place out.

From there we can try and win some games.

Weíve been dogshit going forward and the overall style has been putrid.

Heís assessed that and agrees we need to do better.

It would be nice to beat Bournemouth, but no away game is a given because weíre everton, weíre quite shit ourselves. A draw wouldnít be the end of the world because ultimately thereís fuck all difference between 10th/9th/8th and the seasons gone since we shat the bed in the opening weeks.

Fucking shut up and talk to me about our midfield options. Rooneys back. Ganas out. Davies Schneiderlin Rooney doesnít seem bad. Wouldnít be against Sig in the middle with rooney either, or Klaassen.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Silas on December 30, 2017, 02:37:03 AM
Can barely understand whoís side who is on here, seems like both sides keep exaggerating what the other side thinks and the opponent rebuffs it.

Heís done well, heís sorted out a back four that was stinking the fucking place out.

From there we can try and win some games.

Weíve been dogshit going forward and the overall style has been putrid.

Heís assessed that and agrees we need to do better.

It would be nice to beat Bournemouth, but no away game is a given because weíre everton, weíre quite shit ourselves. A draw wouldnít be the end of the world because ultimately thereís fuck all difference between 10th/9th/8th and the seasons gone since we shat the bed in the opening weeks.

Fucking shut up and talk to me about our midfield options. Rooneys back. Ganas out. Davies Schneiderlin Rooney doesnít seem bad. Wouldnít be against Sig in the middle with rooney either, or Klaassen.



I would like to see Rooney in the middle again for sure.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 03:18:17 AM
So to sum up, if you bad mouth or criticise Allardyce then you've got an agenda against him, is that right
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2017, 03:33:06 AM
People slagging off Sam are delusional imo.....we were so bad pre Sam that we were definately in the worst 3 teams in the league at best. I cannot ever remember average teams tearing us apart so consistently.

So he's come in and plugged the gap as best he could. Admittedly the forward play hasn't been pretty but let's face it he was left a lot of dross to try and sew together.

Whether or not he can spend wisely and make us an attacking threat remains to be seen but I don't see how anyone can comment on his ability to do this effectively as quite simply he's never been afforded the chance before.

Let's give him a chance and get behind him as he's done a bloody good job so far....if he wastes money and we turn crap then we can slag him off as all mouth and no trousers.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 03:38:47 AM
So to sum up, if you bad mouth or criticise Allardyce then you've got an agenda against him, is that right

I think probably when results have been so positive. Though agenda is probably not the right word. Just people started with a very low unfair opinion of him and are very quick to revert back to it
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 03:40:34 AM
I think probably when results have been so positive. Though agenda is probably not the right word. Just people started with a very low unfair opinion of him and are very quick to revert back to it

Too many people influenced by the London media

Lots of fake news about
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 03:45:02 AM
Im not influenced by any media whatsoever, just don't rate him, never have done, however ill be the first to admit I was wrong if he's somehow successful, made up with Sammy Lee though
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2017, 03:49:21 AM
Im not influenced by any media whatsoever, just don't rate him, never have done, however ill be the first to admit I was wrong if he's somehow successful, made up with Sammy Lee though
Success is a hard one to gauge....you could argue that given the resources he has at his disposal he has already been successful both at everton and previous clubs. Time will tell and his signings key to this story.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 03:49:30 AM
Too many people influenced by the London media

Lots of fake news about
I'm not influenced by any media. I'm a grown man with my own mind.

I, amongst a few others on here have merely stated things, attacking wise need to improve.

No fucking agenda. In fact I'd say of all the posters with an agenda it's ironic you saying others do
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 30, 2017, 04:38:40 AM
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 04:40:15 AM
Interesting Coleman comments, encouraging
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 04:46:07 AM
He was spot on about the current striker options and the teams lack of finishing and creativity
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 05:27:16 AM
Success is a hard one to gauge....you could argue that given the resources he has at his disposal he has already been successful both at everton and previous clubs. Time will tell and his signings key to this story.
He hasn't been successful at Everton and to say that already is outrageous.

He shored up a leaky defence and made us hard to beat. Exactly what was expected.

If he can go beyond that and take us up a level then he will have been successful.

Plenty of time left and it's too early to judge him. Hopefully we can have a strong transfer window and strengthen appropriately to give him the best chance of success.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: bigmanbob on December 30, 2017, 05:40:09 AM
He was spot on about the current striker options and the teams lack of finishing and creativity
Hmm not to sure about that. The creativity bit yes but if you stuck Messi and Ronaldo in our team at the mo neither would do any better. Just twatting it up front and hoping is never the best idea
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 05:43:14 AM
He is clearly not telling them to long ball it to DCL at every opportunity

Vs Chelsea and West Bromwich he was witnessed numerous times shouting at the players to pass
Sammy Lee was also doing the same vs West Brom

I think the difference with a quality striker is they can create a few chances for themselves and will take the few they get.

Plus the midfield may get more confidence knowing there Is a quality front man who will retain possession
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2017, 05:55:46 AM
He is clearly not telling them to long ball it to DCL at every opportunity

Vs Chelsea and West Bromwich he was witnessed numerous times shouting at the players to pass
Sammy Lee was also doing the same vs West Brom

I think the difference with a quality striker is they can create a few chances for themselves and will take the few they get.

Plus the midfield may get more confidence knowing there Is a quality front man who will retain possession

This shite is more annoying than the anti-sam shite.

His tactics are and always have been to twat it up the pitch. He comes out after each game and says yeah, not great in possession were we?

At some point it is going to be his responsibility to actually do something about it tactically.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 06:02:46 AM
Your ignoring the facts

Numerous people on here witnessed him shouting at the team to pass it vs Chelsea

Same vs West Brom

At one point vs West Brom on the tv coverage you could hear Sammy Lee shouting pass and big sam shouting donít give it away (or something very similar, canít quite remember)

To say the manager doesnít recognise there is a problem going forward and isnít trying to address it is not based on facts or reality.

If by the 1st of feb the problems continue then you can correctly ask why wasnít it addressed in the window.

Even more so on the 1st September
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 08:19:18 AM
Glad to hear his concern about the lack of goals, how could he not be, a fair enough interview.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GLewis on December 30, 2017, 12:50:20 PM
Thereís nothing inherently wrong with more direct styles (aside from aesthetic preference).

The issues are, as with short passing, a) whether you keep it and b) whether you look like doing anything with it.

At the moment our passes forward arenít great and DCL is inconsistent in terms of whether heíll keep the ball either through flick ons or retaining it himself.

The usual chicken and the egg stuff as to which comes first etc.

But SA sorting it out is likely to involve getting better with a direct style.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 30, 2017, 02:27:40 PM
Your ignoring the facts

Numerous people on here witnessed him shouting at the team to pass it vs Chelsea

Same vs West Brom

At one point vs West Brom on the tv coverage you could hear Sammy Lee shouting pass and big sam shouting don’t give it away (or something very similar, can’t quite remember)

To say the manager doesn’t recognise there is a problem going forward and isn’t trying to address it is not based on facts or reality.

If by the 1st of feb the problems continue then you can correctly ask why wasn’t it addressed in the window.

Even more so on the 1st September

I want to laugh and cry at the same time when I read your posts .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 30, 2017, 04:32:45 PM
From what we have seen, he appears to have organised the defence much more quickly than we were expecting. It's all well and good saying 'well we only beat Huddersfield at Goodison and Newcastle are shite,' but I think the season hit crisis point with the defeat to Southampton and there was little hope of improvement at the time.

Having organised the defence so quickly, however, he seems to have made a rod for his own back and we're already expecting more going forward. I think that's where we all seem to disagree - some are more willing to be patient with this (generally the ones who weren't dead-set against his appointment), whereas those who were sceptical, let's say, want more attacking endeavour more imminently.

Given the Christmas schedule, the lack of training sessions and the fact he'll have to implement a defensive plan for each team we come up against, personally, I think it's more realistic to focus on continuing to shore up the defence and hoping the reintroduction of Rooney can spark some life in our limp attack.

Without doubt, though, we're going to have to show more. Given that we have United and the RS coming up in the Cup, plus a tricky away match against Bournemouth today (yes, the league is shit; yes, we should be better than them; they're in bad form but they're not as bad as some are making out) I reckon the focus will be on defence again.

Then once the matches thin out a bit, we have a few players coming back from injury and hopefully a couple of new additions, we'll have more time to concentrate on being more expansive going forward.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Martip on December 30, 2017, 05:19:18 PM
He hasn't been successful at Everton and to say that already is outrageous.

He shored up a leaky defence and made us hard to beat. Exactly what was expected.

If he can go beyond that and take us up a level then he will have been successful.

Plenty of time left and it's too early to judge him. Hopefully we can have a strong transfer window and strengthen appropriately to give him the best chance of success.
I disagree he has been very successful in turning round a team looking like it was going to get relegated. Early days I know but people whether they like him or not should give him some credit for the job done so far.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 05:30:17 PM
Your ignoring the facts

Numerous people on here witnessed him shouting at the team to pass it vs Chelsea

Same vs West Brom

At one point vs West Brom on the tv coverage you could hear Sammy Lee shouting pass and big sam shouting don’t give it away (or something very similar, can’t quite remember)

To say the manager doesn’t recognise there is a problem going forward and isn’t trying to address it is not based on facts or reality.

If by the 1st of feb the problems continue then you can correctly ask why wasn’t it addressed in the window.

Even more so on the 1st September

All fair points. It seems like there is a bandwagon forming on here about Sam and it's not really helping if fans are on his case so early. We know, he knows and the players know they are not good enough to play expansive attacking football so until we get ones in who can we have to focus on not conceding a goal and then work on nicking one at the other end. It's not going to be pretty but the last 12 months have left us with a group of players lacking in talent, balls and the variety needed to play a balanced side. Let's at least give him until after the window before he load up on him.   
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2017, 05:30:23 PM
Pickford

Kenny Holgate Keane Cuco

Davies Schneiderlin Rooney

Lennon    DCL  Sigurdsson

Is what I reckon it will probably be, at some point I wouldnít mind a little

Pickford

Kenny Holgate Keane Cuco

Schneiderlin Rooney

Lennon Sigurdsson Bolassie

             DCL

Really want to get Sigurdsson in the 10 and rooney in the middle. But he might wait til we have a few recruits for that.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 30, 2017, 05:36:27 PM
I disagree he has been very successful in turning round a team looking like it was going to get relegated. Early days I know but people whether they like him or not should give him some credit for the job done so far.

I disagree . I think Unsworth had worked his way down to the players that gave a fuck at the time we played WHU in front of a home crowd after a run of difficult away games . Without debating the merits of the 2 it was Unsworth and not Allardyce who inherited a mess . That said I think Allardyce is the more likely to maintain a consistent level of form until the end of the season . He knows the next 2 transfer windows are massive for him and the club as after the England debacle and given his age we are as good as it gets . Koeman was on his way as soon as someone bigger came along and Moshiri basically gave him a free reign to fuck it up . I am quite happy to see what he can do as the one thing I am sure off is players won't force him out as easily as they did Martinez and Koeman .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 05:40:27 PM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Keane Martina
Davies Schneiderlin Rooney
Lennon DCL Sigurdsson

Is what I'm expecting
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
I disagree . I think Unsworth had worked his way down to the players that gave a fuck at the time we played WHU in front of a home crowd after a run of difficult away games . Without debating the merits of the 2 it was Unsworth and not Allardyce who inherited a mess . That said I think Allardyce is the more likely to maintain a consistent level of form until the end of the season . He knows the next 2 transfer windows are massive for him and the club as after the England debacle and given his age we are as good as it gets . Koeman was on his way as soon as someone bigger came along and Moshiri basically gave him a free reign to fuck it up . I am quite happy to see what he can do as the one thing I am sure off is players won't force him out as easily as they did Martinez and Koeman .

It's utterly laughable to give unsworth the credit instead of allardyce. His performance as manager was inept. In his defence I think he tried to do too much rather than the basics for his audition but to give him credit for our upturn is biased nonsense
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on December 30, 2017, 06:04:16 PM
I'd like to see

                Pickford
Kenny Holgate Keane Martina
            Morgs Rooney
                   Sig
Lennon        DCL         Bolasie/ Vlasic
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 30, 2017, 06:45:00 PM


All fair points. It seems like there is a bandwagon forming on here about Sam and it's not really helping if fans are on his case so early. We know, he knows and the players know they are not good enough to play expansive attacking football so until we get ones in who can we have to focus on not conceding a goal and then work on nicking one at the other end. It's not going to be pretty but the last 12 months have left us with a group of players lacking in talent, balls and the variety needed to play a balanced side. Let's at least give him until after the window before he load up on him.

Pretty much this. We have some solid footballers in the midfield and defence, but up front we have nothing if Rooney doesn't play. Bolasie coming back and hopefully Barkley (if he stays) will help but it's going to take at least a month for them to get back to match fit. Sigurrdson is a decent player but doesn't really have the pace to trouble defences, and that's not his game anyway. Lennon offers little going forward but is good defensively, the other wingers can't be relied on to perform well regularly. DCL has done brilliantly but he's too young and if I'm honest, not good enough at the moment to lead the line consistently.

We are in a right state attacking wise and need at least a couple of players, preferably with a bit of pace, in this window. Until then it is defend well and hope to nick a goal or two.

Some of our fans don't like this though and seem to have their agendas against Allardyce for whatever reason. They are just waiting to pounce if points start to dry up and performances don't improve. We all want to see better and more attacking football but the reality is we don't have the players at the moment to do this.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on December 30, 2017, 07:06:08 PM
It's utterly laughable to give unsworth the credit instead of allardyce. His performance as manager was inept. In his defence I think he tried to do too much rather than the basics for his audition but to give him credit for our upturn is biased nonsense

They will both have been doing their absolute best to do a good job.
Is it not, therefore, reasonable, to suggest that there has been some good input from both?
I think there were one or two signs under Unsorth, but never a full 90 mins worth, that things were improving.
I also think that Allardyce, as much as I never wanted him, has added to what Unsworth started and taken it further because he is a far mor experienced manager.

The whole 'Who Started It' debate is a bit ridic.

We're on the Big Sam Train now, if you're still clinging on to Previous Manager Station you'll end up having your arms ripped off.

All aboard!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 30, 2017, 07:07:20 PM
Apparently McCarthy could be back for us (potential replacement for Gana?) and Stanislas is sidelined for them - shite player but huge blow if true, he scores every time they play us.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 07:17:55 PM
They will both have been doing their absolute best to do a good job.
Is it not, therefore, reasonable, to suggest that there has been some good input from both?
I think there were one or two signs under Unsorth, but never a full 90 mins worth, that things were improving.
I also think that Allardyce, as much as I never wanted him, has added to what Unsworth started and taken it further because he is a far mor experienced manager.

The whole 'Who Started It' debate is a bit ridic.

We're on the Big Sam Train now, if you're still clinging on to Previous Manager Station you'll end up having your arms ripped off.

All aboard!

I've no problem with people suggesting unsworth has had some input in terms of helping allardyce when he came. People are actually claiming we'd turned the corner though and unsworth had solved our problems is nonsense though
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 07:18:43 PM
Apparently McCarthy could be back for us (potential replacement for Gana?) and Stanislas is sidelined for them - shite player but huge blow if true, he scores every time they play us.

How long is gueye out for?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on December 30, 2017, 07:23:18 PM
I've no problem with people suggesting unsworth has had some input in terms of helping allardyce when he came. People are actually claiming we'd turned the corner though and unsworth had solved our problems is nonsense though

Not sure I've seen that but I'll take your word for it.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 07:26:59 PM
Not sure I've seen that but I'll take your word for it.

The post I quoted said "it was unsworth not allardyce that inherited a mess"
It's just plainly not true. We were terrible defensively under unsworth even in the 4 nil against West Ham.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 07:28:59 PM
I'd love us to try playing with 2 wingers for once
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 07:42:43 PM
I'd love us to try playing with 2 wingers for once
We need two decent wingers first.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 07:50:41 PM
Any American channels showing us today?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 07:57:55 PM
Any American channels showing us today?
Nbc sports gold
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 07:59:18 PM
These lot are 11 goals down on where they were last season and are probably going down this year in my opinion so we shouldnít be affording them too much respect.
Be disappointed with 5 at the back again.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 08:00:21 PM
wtf

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/947104993978458112
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 08:00:43 PM
3 fucking DMs against Bournemouth hahahahha
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 30, 2017, 08:00:56 PM
McCarthy in for Davies...

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/947104993978458112
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Fynci on December 30, 2017, 08:03:12 PM
7-2-1 formation? Walter Smith v2.0
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 08:03:21 PM
Sam going all out for a clean sheet here then. How are we going to get over the halfway line?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 08:03:37 PM
3 fucking DMs against Bournemouth hahahahha

McCarthy and gana will be CM with Morgan sitting
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on December 30, 2017, 08:04:40 PM
That's a fucking horrible team that. There's not a forward pass in the 3 of them. I Feel sorry for Gana.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: loroloco on December 30, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
why not just play with 10 defenders
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 30, 2017, 08:05:53 PM
Especially odd midfield after Allardyce's comments yesterday about our weakness in the transition from defence to attack.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 08:07:26 PM
Erm yeah, we are playing Bournemouth arnt we?

Strong bench though
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 08:09:08 PM
Think the reality is he probably doesn't rate most of our attacking players. Would have liked a Davies type in today but Davies has been shite. Would like more pace in wide areas but our wingers aren't ready

Good bench though. Quite happy to be tight til half time and then go for them.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
McCarthy and gana will be CM with Morgan sitting

I think it's fair to put them in the DM category as they are alright at defensive duties but offer nothing in an attacking sense. There's no penetration in there at all. Poor team selection
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 08:09:56 PM
Rooney rested for Man U... stupid that.. should start today if fit.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 08:10:09 PM
Got some sympathy with Allardyce on this one because we've got Utd in 48 hours, and Liverpool 4 days after that. Not easy juggling and keeping people fit.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 08:10:15 PM
I'm hoping that McCarthy playing is nothing more than his shop window audition
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 08:12:24 PM
No Vlasic or Mirallas... two that could do somerhing from the bench rather than Davies.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 08:14:07 PM
Given the following games and Bournemouths form and position is it really necessary to risk Gana in this?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on December 30, 2017, 08:14:31 PM
First attendance for new GK coach Martyn Margetson - keen for a clean sheet!

Changes in second half - Rooney, Davies & Bolasie

Disappointed for Vlasic

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GLewis on December 30, 2017, 08:14:38 PM
McCarthy is usually a bit better going forward when heís in a 3 (rather than in the 2 of 4-2-3-1).

Guess heís gone for someone just running up the other end of the pitch rather hoping the passing improves.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GLewis on December 30, 2017, 08:15:09 PM
I'm hoping that McCarthy playing is nothing more than his shop window audition

Every manager seems to pick him when fit.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GLewis on December 30, 2017, 08:16:12 PM
Rooney rested for Man U... stupid that.. should start today if fit.

SA said heís been laid up for 3/4 days. Tough to start if thatís the case; especially with Utd on Monday.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheTone on December 30, 2017, 08:16:37 PM
Vlasic must be shit in training

Anyone know what's gone on there?

@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) ?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on December 30, 2017, 08:17:44 PM
Puzzling
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: hill135 on December 30, 2017, 08:18:00 PM
They're not DMs though are they. They're CMs who happen to be poor at attacking.

We've got a lot of central midfielders but hardly spoilt for choice given that Davies is off the boil, Rooney's out and the others are all identical little crabs.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 08:18:36 PM
why not just play with 10 defenders
we haven't got 10
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 08:20:20 PM
McCarthy and gueye will do a job in getting the ball back for us
Sadly, we have noone then who can create
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on December 30, 2017, 08:25:32 PM
Would have preferred bolasie in ahead of any of the 3 DMs with Sig in the middle and Bolasie and Lennon on the wings.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 08:26:19 PM
Would have preferred bolasie in ahead of any of the 3 DMs with Sig in the middle and Bolasie and Lennon on the wings.

I imagine that's Sam's 2nd half thinking.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 08:27:28 PM
First attendance for new GK coach Martyn Margetson - keen for a clean sheet!

Changes in second half - Rooney, Davies & Bolasie

Disappointed for Vlasic


Vlasic and Klassen a bit puzzling as to why they haven't had a coat of looking at yet.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 08:27:44 PM
McCarthy and gueye will do a job in getting the ball back for us
Sadly, we have noone then who can create

Only thing I can think is Gylfi as a CM, and Vlasic/Lookman in the attacking position but he doesn't seem to want to try that
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Stumpy on December 30, 2017, 08:29:24 PM
Jeepers,that line up is grim reading.No creativity there at all.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on December 30, 2017, 08:31:24 PM
I imagine that's Sam's 2nd half thinking.

Bloody well hope so otherwise it's gonna be another snoozefest.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 30, 2017, 08:31:58 PM
i thought last weeks match was negative as fuck,, todays looks to be even worse.. no ball carriers in midfield.. we dont need 3 defensive midfielders.. should have played vlasic in the middle.. ;/ or least have some creative fucking intent.. ;/
Sams done a great job, but he cant blame the long ball shit, and no attacking spiel on the players... he selects the players.. kind of embarrassed that this game and the previous one.. we have shown no attacking fortitude at all.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GLewis on December 30, 2017, 08:39:30 PM
The plan will have to be today, to take the ball off them when theyíve got men forward (or press high up the pitch) and run through the massive gaps that they leave in midfield as this reduces the need for clever passes.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 08:40:53 PM
Gonna be one of those afternoons where you are tempted to break the boredom and pop Soccer Saturday on to see if it's worth watching the next few minutes of your delayed stream.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 08:46:16 PM
Got some sympathy with Allardyce on this one because we've got Utd in 48 hours, and Liverpool 4 days after that. Not easy juggling and keeping people fit.
Bournemouth got some big players out today,we really should be going after them.We could put our best eleven out in the next two big fixtures and get murdered,3 points today and we can park it all sam wants.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 08:46:36 PM
Sam says he's looking to extend undefeated run..just now, sounds like a draw will do him..
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Juanito on December 30, 2017, 08:46:58 PM
Gonna be one of those afternoons where you are tempted to break the boredom and pop Soccer Saturday on to see if it's worth watching the next few minutes of your delayed stream.

Exactly what I was thinking
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: velimski on December 30, 2017, 08:50:41 PM
streamage?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 08:51:21 PM
Not an ideal line-up but the squad is on its arse and this is the result. Shame the fringe players havenít done more to force Samís hand. Heís come in within agenda so if the likes of Klaassen arenít in the squad itís because they havenít shown enough in training.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on December 30, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Every manager seems to pick him when fit.
O'Neill even picking him when unfit
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 30, 2017, 08:53:57 PM
Fuck we all thought RK was negative playing two DM's .... if he moans after the match about forward play he can fuck right off its his own doing .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 30, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
streamage?

520p 2 ads http://watchkobe.ml/soccer12.php

http://www.galwew.ga/p/galwew-14.html 520p 1 ad

http://1tvsports.com/channel-6/ 720p 1 ad
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 08:58:16 PM
A lot of people I speak to, who don't watch Everton, always seem to think McCarthy is a decent player when he comes up in conversation. I presume Sam might be one of them.

A few games watching him hide from the football and challenge Schneiderlin for most safe balls per match might open his eyes. 
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 08:59:26 PM
Fuck we all thought RK was negative playing two DM's .... if he moans after the match about forward play he can fuck right off its his own doing .
Not many attacking options.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:00:31 PM
Not many attacking options.

There a ton of attacking options. WTF is this lineup.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: hill135 on December 30, 2017, 09:00:31 PM
these are shite and couldn't manage a game if their lives depended on it. Hoping for a nice 0-1 win
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 09:01:12 PM
Any other streams?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:01:27 PM
Lookman and Vlasic go and run a Europa League game and then basically don't ever make the bench again.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 09:01:31 PM
TSN 1 on Mobdro and livenet both good
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on December 30, 2017, 09:01:49 PM
This camera angle is shite.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 09:02:07 PM
http://premierleague-lives.com/live/everton-live-stream-2/channel-1/
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: keverton1971 on December 30, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams/comments/7n1jzt/1500_gmt_afc_bournemouth_vs_everton/
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: keverton1971 on December 30, 2017, 09:03:16 PM
http://www.hdsoccers.stream/2017/12/bournemouth-vs-everton.html
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 09:04:07 PM
this 1 is ok up to now.
http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/bournemouth-vs-everton-live-streaming-epl
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:04:37 PM
Any other streams?

http://www.sport365.link/en/player/5a474d7a08c1b773955341/33/1046/5a47aa4d90f39/BournemouthAFC-EvertonFC/960/540
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 09:05:34 PM
TSN1 on live.net
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 09:06:09 PM
Gueye in the attacking 3rd again. Absolutely kills me watching it.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sixymack on December 30, 2017, 09:08:16 PM
always rated Joshua King.  He is the type of player we need to play this system
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 09:08:18 PM
love Kenny
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:08:47 PM
Gueye in the attacking 3rd again. Absolutely kills me watching it.

To be fair to him he has a go, he's just not blessed as it's not his game but he doesn't hide.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 09:10:33 PM
Lennon needs to offer something attacking wise today. No excuses with this midfield.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: keverton1971 on December 30, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
http://premierleague-lives.com/live/everton-live-stream-2/channel-1/
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 09:11:27 PM
Lennon needs to offer something attacking wise today. No excuses with this midfield.
started well...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:11:46 PM
I love how one of their players can run straight through the centre of the pitch even with three central midfielders playing.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 09:11:52 PM
Bein sports 3 Turkey on uk turks for those with a stick.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 09:11:56 PM
Lennon is our best player
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 09:12:11 PM
We've got absolutely nothing going forward.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:13:25 PM
Lennon is our best player

Lennon is very dependable and very serviceable. He is far from our best player.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 09:13:28 PM
Look at the space between DCL and our next closest player when that ball is hoofed up to him. No chance of developing anything without DCL winning the ball and then holding the ball up against 2 or 3 players.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:13:55 PM
We've got absolutely nothing going forward.



Not a shock given the team selection.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 09:14:00 PM
Lennon is very dependable and very serviceable. He is far from our best player.

Every player is fucking shite out there. Apart from Lennon
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
Gueye's playing 10 here
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 30, 2017, 09:14:24 PM
I love how one of their players can run straight through the centre of the pitch even with three central midfielders playing.

Was just thinking this, wonder how long he'll put up with it before ringing some changes
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 09:14:37 PM
Weíre waiting for a set piece.

Other than that, itís all on Lennon as there isnít anyone else pushing forward.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sixymack on December 30, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
From Lukaku to DCL.  Someone should ask Steve Walsh about this shambles.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 09:15:17 PM
If you were the opposition you'd just go all out attack as we have absolutely no threat going forward.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
Not a shock given the team selection.

True. A lot of attacking players who haven't even made the bench.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 09:15:50 PM
Only thing that I can get with Gueye playing as a 10 is that he might just win us the ball near their area to help us create a chance.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 09:16:34 PM
DCL really isn't good enough. Can't fault his effort but that's often all he offers. Got to wonder how bad Niasse and sandro are doing if they can't get ahead of him
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:16:44 PM
Gueye's playing 10 here

He's repeating Koeman's model of trying everyone everywhere to see if he can stumble upon something. Half a dozen in and out might be best approach.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on December 30, 2017, 09:16:44 PM
We've a midfield that offers nothing going forward, and is allowing them to run 40 yards down the middle of the pitch at will.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 09:17:26 PM
This midfield is my nightmare.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 09:17:40 PM
Lol this is just one crab passing to another between Schneiderlin and McCarthy.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 30, 2017, 09:17:48 PM
Only thing that I can get with Gueye playing as a 10 is that he might just win us the ball near their area to help us create a chance.

He's mobile enough that he might pick up second balls when DCL challenges but his starting position is too deep
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 09:18:52 PM
He's mobile enough that he might pick up second balls when DCL challenges but his starting position is too deep
And despite trying hard he doesn't have the vision or ability to pick out through balls or incisive passes. Nor can he really go by a player.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Fynci on December 30, 2017, 09:19:14 PM
Odds on us seeing our last shot on target this year?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 09:19:45 PM
Gueye as No.10 and Sig out wide... WTF.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 30, 2017, 09:20:16 PM
Fuck were jags and Keane doing there
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 09:20:44 PM
Commentator was correct there. Piss poor from jags
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 09:20:54 PM
Aaron Lennon would be brilliant if he lifted his head up after he beats his man
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 09:21:06 PM
He's repeating Koeman's model of trying everyone everywhere to see if he can stumble upon something. Half a dozen in and out might be best approach.
But at least Allardyce will take notes.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 09:21:20 PM
Bad defending by jags there
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:22:12 PM
It's alright Allardyce screaming from the touchline for a bit more going forward but when you're playing 8 defensive players it's a little difficult. 
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sixymack on December 30, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
The School of Hoofball.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
Hello fellow Blues, just checking in now after 22 minutes.

HATE HATE HATE this midfield lineup.  Have we had a single shot yet?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:23:40 PM
Hello fellow Blues, just checking in now after 22 minutes.

HATE HATE HATE this midfield lineup.  Have we had a single shot yet?

No.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 09:24:02 PM
We're not hoofing it but we genuinely have nothing in the final third. It's probably done on purpose. I'll expect us to go for it in the final 15 if we're still level.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 09:24:04 PM
Wow a corner !
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ball8y on December 30, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
the inane chanting by the six fingered folk of the south coast really is annoying
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 09:24:34 PM
4 Bournemouth players in the box for Lennons cross and only DCL to aim for.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 09:24:36 PM
Allardyce hasn't got a clue about offensive play has he. This stinks
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 09:24:53 PM
True. A lot of attacking players who haven't even made the bench.

Like who? Vlasic aside, canít think of anyone who should be in the team. Mirallas is off, Klassen has offered nothing, Lookman is naive and would be a massive liability away from home. Barkley off/unfit. Rooney/Bolasie are unfit...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: hill135 on December 30, 2017, 09:25:02 PM
keane actually passing it on the floor through the lines is good to see.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:25:29 PM
One shot on goal in over three HOURS of football. Just throw that out there.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:25:32 PM
We're not hoofing it but we genuinely have nothing in the final third. It's probably done on purpose. I'll expect us to go for it in the final 15 if we're still level.

We did not last match. Stayed with five at the back and brought on another DM.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 09:25:34 PM
the inane chanting by the six fingered folk of the south coast really is annoying

Are they really going 'Bourney Army !' ???
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 30, 2017, 09:26:22 PM
That's twice now that Kenny has been in acres of space and fucked up his first touch, gutted
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 09:26:38 PM
keane actually passing it on the floor through the lines is good to see.

I hope Allardyce lands on the Holgate-Keane pairing before the season ends.

Two centre backs that can pass a bit would be a dream.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
Like who? Vlasic aside, canít think of anyone who should be in the team. Mirallas is off, Klassen has offered nothing, Lookman is naive and would be a massive liability away from home. Barkley off/unfit. Rooney/Bolasie are unfit...

Vlasic, lookman, Sandro.

Gives you a glimpse into his mentality when these players aren't on the bench, but two centre halves are.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 30, 2017, 09:27:53 PM
That's twice now that Kenny has been in acres of space and fucked up his first touch, gutted
We really miss Coleman there, going forward anyway
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Tinga on December 30, 2017, 09:27:56 PM
If this is what we can expect from Everton then I can't be arsed watching them..this is shite.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 09:28:11 PM
Allardyce hasn't got a clue about offensive play has he. This stinks

Let's get a competent striker before we blame the manager. Can't polish a turd
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 09:28:55 PM
4 Bournemouth players in the box for Lennons cross and only DCL to aim for.

And in contrast, when they go forward they take 5+ to the 18yd box. This is crap.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Juanito on December 30, 2017, 09:29:15 PM
Let's get a competent striker before we blame the manager. Can't polish a turd

That competent striker will need service.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sixymack on December 30, 2017, 09:29:22 PM
Another 90 minutes of life being wasted watching this soulless display.  This is anti-football at it's finest.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 09:29:41 PM
Let's get a competent striker before we blame the manager. Can't polish a turd

Won't make an difference if you have 8 defensive players behind him. He's playing a system set up not to lose. As opposed to scoring and winning
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:29:46 PM
Let's get a competent striker before we blame the manager. Can't polish a turd
A decent striker won't make a difference if he's playing with 8 defensive team-mates and the other two are on the halfway line. 
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 09:29:52 PM
We're not even that defensively secure.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 09:30:00 PM
No tackles no urgency ,who the fuck has coached that out of this lot.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 09:30:02 PM
Let's put it this way - other than Callum Wilson being better than DCL is there a position on the field that Bournemouth actually have better players than us?

I don't think so, but with the players we are playing we won't create a thing.

As someone said, maybe the plan is keep it tight and bring on fresh legs in attack to push them in the last 15-20 minutes.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 09:30:08 PM
Let's get a competent striker before we blame the manager. Can't polish a turd

Let's try and get some players around the striker we already have instead of them being camped in their own half and not being able to get close to him.

The one time we've got in behind we had one player in the box.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on December 30, 2017, 09:30:33 PM
Vlasic, lookman, Sandro.

Gives you a glimpse into his mentality when these players aren't on the bench, but two centre halves are.
He did an interview on sky saying lots of players aren't giving what they should in training, if they don't deserve a spot in the team then so be it, I'd rather have it that way than pander to people, I expect he'd like to have more attacking options
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2017, 09:30:40 PM
Not watching. Another Big Sam masterclass is it?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 09:30:45 PM
And in contrast, when they go forward they take 5+ to the 18yd box. This is crap.

Mission impossible for any forward we buy and the teams set up like this.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 09:31:03 PM
Let's put it this way - other than Callum Wilson being better than DCL is there a position on the field that Bournemouth actually have better players than us?

I don't think so, but with the players we are playing we won't create a thing.

As someone said, maybe the plan is keep it tight and bring on fresh legs in attack to push them in the last 15-20 minutes.

Pretty shit if so. Only giving yourself 15 minutes to win a 90 minute game
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 09:31:10 PM
Calvert-Lewin is a competent striker. The problem is we're bad in possession and we don't play any of our wingers who can actually beat a man.

I'd argue that a creative passer in midfield is a bigger priority than a centre forward.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
Let's put it this way - other than Callum Wilson being better than DCL is there a position on the field that Bournemouth actually have better players than us?

I don't think so, but with the players we are playing we won't create a thing.

As someone said, maybe the plan is keep it tight and bring on fresh legs in attack to push them in the last 15-20 minutes.

Ake's a good player.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 09:32:01 PM
Let's get a competent striker before we blame the manager. Can't polish a turd

Iím not saying DCL doesnít need to be replaced as I think we do need better but in fairness to him heís hardly getting a chance at the moment. No striker would drastically improve this situation without better service.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on December 30, 2017, 09:32:32 PM
Calvert-Lewin is a competent striker. The problem is we're bad in possession and we don't play any of our wingers who can actually beat a man.

I'd argue that a creative passer in midfield is a bigger priority than a centre forward.
I think we've got lots of priority areas
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 09:32:33 PM
Fucking garbage
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:32:45 PM
Bollocks.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 09:32:58 PM
Thatís appalling.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 09:33:03 PM
I hope Tosun hasn't watched us play lately.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 09:33:08 PM
fuck off
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 09:33:11 PM
Who gave the ball away for that goal?  Total shit.

Change the gameplan Sam...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 09:33:21 PM
Woeful defending there. Why was he completely free?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
Got to change it now.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on December 30, 2017, 09:33:31 PM
All came from not putting the ball out with a man down.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 09:33:34 PM
Let's see what we have now
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Tinga on December 30, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
womp womp. Now what with our defensive players.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on December 30, 2017, 09:33:56 PM
Could see the selection was nightmare from a world away. Shocker.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 09:34:04 PM
What was Keane doing?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 30, 2017, 09:34:12 PM
Useless negative tactics from Sam's book of lump it up .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 30, 2017, 09:34:31 PM
I'm a big fan of being defensively solid, but you also have to play the percentages. I'm surprised with all his stats, Sam doesn't acknowledge this. There's only so long you can soak up pressure and offer zero going forward.

These Cherries are ripe for the picking, but we're playing into their hands.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 09:34:40 PM
That was a great move by them. Crap defending by us
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
Reminder these are 18th and haven't had to get out of 2nd gear to go one up against us.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 09:34:55 PM
This is the issue with setting up ultra defensive. The luck runs out and then what have you got?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 09:34:55 PM
Nice return gift there McCarthy
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 09:35:01 PM
Didn't take long for us to become completely shite again.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 09:35:09 PM
The defensive playing for a point set up doesn't look great when you concede the first goal?

What now? This team can't score 2
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:35:50 PM
McCarthy gives the ball away cheaply and Schneiderlin not once looks behind him as he jogs back. Our defensive shield looking pretty awesome there.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 09:36:15 PM
Useless negative tactics from Sam's book of lump it up .

We haven't been playing long ball
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 09:36:16 PM
That was a great move by them. Crap defending by us

Nah, that was just crap by us.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 09:36:21 PM
We have a lineup that can actually play some football and it requires only one DM w/ Rooney and Davies in midfield.

I understand the need for squad rotation and monitoring fitness at this time of year but fucking hell.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: hill135 on December 30, 2017, 09:36:30 PM
not to fan the flames lads but i've seen this away performance from Everton about a hundred times over recent years.

Putting this and the last game down as a big sam special doesn't seem right to me
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:36:31 PM
Nice return gift there McCarthy

Besides it being stupid to play him along with Schneiderlin and Gueye, why was he just thrown straight in after hardly playing for the last several months....
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Juanito on December 30, 2017, 09:36:34 PM
Big Sam is starting to annoy me. He organises us like we are Sunderland.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sixymack on December 30, 2017, 09:36:38 PM
Wonder what Davey Moyes is thinking in the stands.  I really wish he was in the dugout instead of bull dog face.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 09:36:57 PM
Why on earth didnít DCL shoot then?

Woeful as we were at the back for their goal.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 09:37:07 PM
There's always gonna be goals in this match. Just can't see us scoring any of them. Get Niasse on at half time
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 09:37:31 PM
Sigurdsson has been shite again. He's had some decent games recently but I'm not sure he's had a single game where he's looked like 45m worth

DCL really is a bit shit. He'll vanish after a couple more windows
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 09:37:41 PM
Embarrassing, this is Bournemouth ffs
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 30, 2017, 09:37:53 PM
I'm a big fan of being defensively solid, but you also have to play the percentages. I'm surprised with all his stats, Sam doesn't acknowledge this. There's only so long you can soak up pressure and offer zero going forward.

These Cherries are ripe for the picking, but we're playing into their hands.

Balls, this was before I'd realised they had scored.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2017, 09:38:08 PM
3 DMís at Bournemouth 😂

Fuck off Everton
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 30, 2017, 09:38:32 PM
Rooney, Niasse and Bolasie on
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 09:38:44 PM
not to fan the flames lads but i've seen this away performance from Everton about a hundred times over recent years.

Putting this and the last game down as a big sam special doesn't seem right to me

Did you watch the West Brom game?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 09:38:48 PM
Seeing the replay for their goal that was so lazy by Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 30, 2017, 09:38:48 PM
Martina having one of his Cuco days.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 30, 2017, 09:38:55 PM
We haven't been playing long ball
Since Sam arrived we havnt been playing in the opposition half really .either .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 09:39:09 PM
Quote from: AllyBlue14 9link=topic=95269.msg1408683#msg1408683 date=1514648312
Rooney, Niasse and Bolasie on

Yep
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 09:39:39 PM
Useless negative tactics from Sam's book of lump it up .

it's not the tactics necessarily, its the selection.

Gana Schneiderlin AND McCarthy?  As a previous commenter noted, 3 crabs in midfield.

Why isn't Sig in the middle and why is Bolasie on the bench??   
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:39:49 PM
I'm more annoyed that I've allowed myself to lose another afternoon of my life staring at a laptop thinking this one might be different. No wonder my missus laughs at me.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
3 DMís at Bournemouth 😂

Fuck off Everton

The Allardyce effect
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 09:40:25 PM
Iíve said all season that the squad is shite and I stand by it. When people are clambering for Lookman and Sandro you know weíre limited.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: hill135 on December 30, 2017, 09:40:29 PM
Did you watch the West Brom game?

Yes.

How many away games did David Moyes set up to win? Or Ronald Koeman?

The last manager who tried to win away from home was Roberto Martinez and in his best season with us managed it four or five times.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 09:40:57 PM
Rooney, Niasse and Bolasie on
Be 3 down then knowing this lot.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: velimski on December 30, 2017, 09:40:59 PM
Rooney and Bolasie on for the 2 midfield passengers.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:41:09 PM
Seeing the replay for their goal that was so lazy by Schneiderlin.

Jogging while never once anticipating the next passage of play and glancing behind him for danger. 
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 09:41:12 PM
it's not the tactics necessarily, its the selection.

Gana Schneiderlin AND McCarthy?  As a previous commenter noted, 3 crabs in midfield.

Why isn't Sig in the middle and why is Bolasie on the bench??   
This the Bolasie thatís just come back from injury?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 30, 2017, 09:41:19 PM
I don't understand what Allardyce is doing at the minute

He says we need better attacking play but then plays hoof ball to a young lone striker and plays 3 holding midfielders?

What kind of thinking is that? Doesn't he have any other systems we could play? Seems like its all about don't concede, we'll get a 0-0 and keep our unbeaten run going, that all he seems to talk about recently, out unbeaten run.

Has he actually watched the last couple of games, we've been dire

Bollocks management
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 09:41:28 PM
Apart from our poor line-up, they also seem to want it more. Worrying.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 09:41:45 PM
Michael Keane wants an age on the ball and flaps it anytime the punt up field isn't on.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Fynci on December 30, 2017, 09:42:25 PM
 Itís hard to know which way weíre shooting with so many back passes.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sixymack on December 30, 2017, 09:42:25 PM
Time to do some laundry and household chores.  Would like to thank Big Sam for motivating me to wash my socks, instead of watching this shite.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 09:42:29 PM
Yes.

How many away games did David Moyes set up to win? Or Ronald Koeman?

The last manager who tried to win away from home was Roberto Martinez and in his best season with us managed it four or five times.

This isn't Chelsea, City or United, its Bournemouth, 18th in the league and struggling, setting up like this is shocking, his negativity is a joke
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:42:32 PM
Iíve said all season that the squad is shite and I stand by it. When people are clambering for Lookman and Sandro you know weíre limited.

Vlasic has appeared to be a real option. Klassen deserves another look under a new manager. Lookman is talented, and he scored two goals last time he started. Sandro is still a decent player even if he struggling in the prem.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 09:42:38 PM
Yes.

How many away games did David Moyes set up to win? Or Ronald Koeman?

The last manager who tried to win away from home was Roberto Martinez and in his best season with us managed it four or five times.

So Allardyce is absolved of all criticism, because we used to be shit away?

Not having a shot til injury time against a team that hasn't won since August? Nah, not having that.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 09:42:53 PM
Iíve said all season that the squad is shite and I stand by it. When people are clambering for Lookman and Sandro you know weíre limited.

Totally agree. We are dreadful upfront, dreadful on the wings and dreadful at 10 (which is frightening as we signed loads of them)
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:42:58 PM
I know the selection and system are poor but at some stage we have to realise we have a load of old shite at this club and 3/4 of them aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 09:43:29 PM
Michael Keane wants an age on the ball and flaps it anytime the punt up field isn't on.



I think he actually has some quality on the ball.

It's hard to do much of anything when your three midfielders are standing in a horizontal line in a front of you.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 30, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
it's not the tactics necessarily, its the selection.

Gana Schneiderlin AND McCarthy?  As a previous commenter noted, 3 crabs in midfield.

Why isn't Sig in the middle and why is Bolasie on the bench??   
Because I'm starting to think Sam doesn't do the oposition half...do we need another manager for attack? .
Title: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 09:43:39 PM
We are so shit it's depressing. Poor fullbacks (Kenny isn't ready yet but hopefully he will be one day), crabs in midfield and a striker too inexperienced.

Sandro and Klassen must not be up to the grade, they've been out of favour with 3 different managers this season.

Fuck knows what's up with Vlasic.

Lookman gives the ball away a lot.

We can't score a goal without Rooney. Sigurdson has too much to do on his own, I feel sorry for him. And Lennon is what he is, amazing workrate, good pace.. not the most creative player we've ever had.

With the injuries we knew we had in the summer, our transfer business was dreadful.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 09:44:00 PM
There's hope!  McGeady has scored a goal for Sunderland.  If he can fumble one into the net, so can we?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on December 30, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
I don't understand what Allardyce is doing at the minute

He says we need better attacking play but then plays hoof ball to a young lone striker and plays 3 holding midfielders?

What kind of thinking is that? Doesn't he have any other systems we could play? Seems like its all about don't concede, we'll get a 0-0 and keep our unbeaten run going, that all he seems to talk about recently, out unbeaten run.

Has he actually watched the last couple of games, we've been dire

Bollocks management
Read what you've put and I think you answer your own question. It's clear we haven't got the attacking players required, hence he's trying to keep things tight
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 09:46:28 PM
No Rooney, no party. GET HIM ON !
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 09:47:14 PM
Have I missed something with Lookman?! I'm sure he hasn't played more than 10 minutes in a game and he's been written off as naive. Obviously he's over eager to impress with such limited game time. Weirdos
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: hill135 on December 30, 2017, 09:47:31 PM
So Allardyce is absolved of all criticism, because we used to be shit away?

Not having a shot til injury time against a team that hasn't won since August? Nah, not having that.

No, no what I'm saying. I'm providing the context.

It's hard to win away in the Prem. Apart from the top teams, others don't set up to try and win away from home. Historically, we have very rarely tried to win away from home and very rarely actually won away from home. Even when we did try, we generally didn't manage it. Recently we have been a year without winning away from home so it makes sense to try and play for a point to begin with to try and build some confidence.

Uninspiring away performances were here long before Sam Allardyce and will be after he's gone.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on December 30, 2017, 09:47:43 PM
Rooney has to come on at h/t.  And either Niasse or Bolasie.  Any 2 of Schneiderlin, Gueye or McCarthy off.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 09:48:02 PM
Get rooney, bolasie and Niasse on. Take your pick who comes off
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 09:48:09 PM
Fuckin Booooooo
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 30, 2017, 09:48:15 PM
Just fuck off Sam ,your relegation bonus is safe ....cant score from our half every week ...especially without Sig in the middle or Rooney on the bench .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 09:48:24 PM
I think we can fix this with two subs.

- Rooney for one of the midfielders.

- Bolasie (w/ Sigurdsson moving to the middle) or Davies for one of the other midfielders
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 09:48:49 PM
That was a disgraceful 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 09:49:00 PM
Well that's a first, you could actually hear the away team get booed off.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 09:49:06 PM
I know I've appealed for a bit of patience for Allardyce but if he carries on serving up this shite, regardless of the players at his disposal, then I'll be asking for a ticket for that bandwagon I can see is filling up.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on December 30, 2017, 09:49:06 PM
You can only play three defensive midfielders if you really go for it with wing backs and attacking wingers.

Lennon can do it, but Lookman and/or Vlasic should've been on the bench, I feel; expecting Bolasie to be that one spark from the bench after so long out is pie in the sky at this stage of his recovery.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 09:50:11 PM
Fat Sam would be happy with a draw against these. Not good enough
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 09:50:21 PM
Hear them boooooos...

I've been a Sam stalwart.  This is crap; our manager's got this all wrong today.   :titanic: 
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 30, 2017, 09:50:32 PM
i think Koemans given the team talk and made the team selection the last 2 games.

so fucking negative :( we deserve to be behind.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 09:51:27 PM
That was so bad. Poor team selection from a poor squad.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 09:51:28 PM
That was a disgraceful 45 minutes.

And weirdly it was still better than West Brom.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
No, no what I'm saying. I'm providing the context.

It's hard to win away in the Prem. Apart from the top teams, others don't set up to try and win away from home. Historically, we have very rarely tried to win away from home and very rarely actually won away from home. Even when we did try, we generally didn't manage it. Recently we have been a year without winning away from home so it makes sense to try and play for a point to begin with to try and build some confidence.

Uninspiring away performances were here long before Sam Allardyce and will be after he's gone.


This sort of game is not how you build confidence; I suspect it will have the exact opposite affect. And we have drawn or won seven games or so in a row, so I think everyone in the squad could handle in mentally if we went for it just a wee bit and lost.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 09:52:10 PM
Thought the moment when we were breaking and it depended on James McCarthy playing a through ball to put Idrissa Gueye in on goal just about summed our attacking threat.

Get McCarthy off at HT and put Rooney on.

When our managers going to realise McCarthy is a waste of space?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 09:52:23 PM
Shocking performance,these are really poor and weve gifted em a goal and never troubled them,i wanna choke martina with my bare hands,keane over rated and dcl looks burntout.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 09:52:28 PM
One bad error and they score, not the manager's fault.

Game plan out the window now. Changes at HT rather then last 20 mins.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 09:52:42 PM
Big half time for Sam.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: loroloco on December 30, 2017, 09:53:09 PM
so this is it then is it? playing for nil all draws in all of our away games. add to that the top 6 that we just accept are better than us and so play for for nil all against them at goodison too and that leaves us with 13 games per year that weīre gonna actually try and win? not having that.  complete and utter dog shit playing for a scoreless draw against bournemouth. i understand keeping it tight but not even trying to score a goal is utter bollox.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Fynci on December 30, 2017, 09:53:15 PM
i think Koemans given the team talk and made the team selection the last 2 games.

so fucking negative :( we deserve to be behind.

I donít know what has happened. The Chelsea game was understandable in part but there are zero reasons why he has set out like this against West Brom and Bournemouth. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 09:53:17 PM
Can't defend his team selection and tactics at all, hes clueless
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: starblood on December 30, 2017, 09:53:26 PM
Jogging while never once anticipating the next passage of play and glancing behind him for danger.
Been the same all season. And it's nothing to do with form. It's lack of effort and why he got cheered on substitution against Swansea.

We're not mugs!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 09:53:39 PM
I don't see how you can bemoan our lack of forward passing then pick this midfield.

And I don't see how you can think N'Zonzi is the solution. Gana/Schneiderlin/McCarthy can nail simple passes to the other midfielders. We need someone who takes the ball off of them and finds the attackers. Right now, Rooney is the only player who does that with any sort of consistency.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 09:54:29 PM
One bad error and they score, not the manager's fault.

Game plan out the window now. Changes at HT rather then last 20 mins.

I think that goal is the manager's fault -- at least in part. When you start a player who has made one real appearance in like a year, play super defensively, don't have possession, and offer no attacking threat, you invite errors like that.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dreggs on December 30, 2017, 09:54:33 PM
Dire performance... Must be 2 subs on at half time
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 09:54:45 PM
Was dreadful wasn't it. I do think he thinks he's not got many decent options in attacking positions though.

Don't think any of us will put up with this in the longer term but I'm hopeful we'll be playing very differently after the window

We really do have a lot of crap in attacking positions. We carry no threat from anywhere. Not from full back, not from the wings, not from our many 10s and certainly not from DCL.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 09:54:51 PM
One bad error and they score, not the manager's fault.

Game plan out the window now. Changes at HT rather then last 20 mins.

What game plan, to get another 0-0?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 09:54:59 PM
One bad error and they score, not the manager's fault.

Game plan out the window now. Changes at HT rather then last 20 mins.

Wasn't the mistake by the bang average player that Sam put in the team after six years out injured?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 09:56:37 PM
Six halves of football without having a goal, with one shot on target.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: School of Science on December 30, 2017, 09:56:52 PM
.can't understand why McCarthy didn't just kick that ball out of play, Gaye was down injured right next to him, appalling decision to pass back. Having said that we have been crap, Bolasie and Rooney on at half time, for a start.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Robioto on December 30, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
I haven't watched, but playing Gana, McCarthy and Schneiderlin on paper against Bournemouth is depressingly negative.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Escla on December 30, 2017, 09:59:57 PM
Can't defend his team selection and tactics at all, hes clueless
d

What do you know about his tactics then ?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 30, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
No matter  how many games we have had over this period, and forgetting the last 2 0-0's  no way has McCarthy warranted a starting place in this squad  ---even if others need a rest , he is so far of the pace,,, that said   so has everyone


2 subs Davies and Rooney for MCcarthy & Morgs
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 30, 2017, 10:00:17 PM
This is Sam's first opportunity to see how good McCarthy is. He said he has to use the squad over so many games in a short spell. To be fair McCarthy has to be rusty , but we know he is shite anyway. Rooney who is not fit for 90 mins will come on. Sam has rightly binned Davies, yet he is still on the bench and Vlasic and Besic are not be seen. They must be terrible in training to be behind Davies. I forecast a defeat here because our luck has to run out sometime and they are desperate. Everton are ideal opponents for them. Roll on the squad additions hopefully by mid January. It is not worth judging this lot.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on December 30, 2017, 10:00:19 PM
Six halves of football without having a goal, with one shot on target.



Fucking hell.

That makes Koeman look expansive, sort of (and not just in the waistline)
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:01:05 PM
I'd let Swansea have Sigurdsson back on the first for what he's actually worth. 25m

It's not that he's bad. He's just functional. Just a plodder who's convinced people he's a playmaker by being on every set piece
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 10:02:14 PM
Been the same all season. And it's nothing to do with form. It's lack of effort and why he got cheered on substitution against Swansea.

We're not mugs!

Another expensive flop by our much vaunted Director of Football. You can count on one hand his decent buys over three transfer windows, I'd be binning him off if he fucks this window up too.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 30, 2017, 10:02:14 PM
Really poor from Allardyce starting with 3 holding midfielders, but we do have some shite players attacking wise. Kenny is good defensively but piss poor going forward while Martina is just piss poor. DCL is a young lad with a lot to learn, Sigurrdson is slightly above average but no pace, Lennon is poor. Still think we'll get something out of his though.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 10:02:21 PM
Donít forget this is a team whoív conceded 11 in their last 3 games and weíve not troubled them in the slightest.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 10:02:35 PM
Rooney on for McCarthy then
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 10:02:44 PM
Yay, Rooney.

Too bad he has the Gana/Schneiderlin axis of death behind him.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:02:52 PM
No matter  how many games we have had over this period, and forgetting the last 2 0-0's  no way has McCarthy warranted a starting place in this squad  ---even if others need a rest , he is so far of the pace,,, that said   so has everyone


2 subs Davies and Rooney for MCcarthy & Morgs

Davies has been dreadful though. I think our manager just looks around and sees a load of shite options. Not good enough, not ready, not fit
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 10:03:13 PM
d

What do you know about his tactics then ?
They seem quite simple tbh pal
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 10:03:25 PM
Been the same all season. And it's nothing to do with form. It's lack of effort and why he got cheered on substitution against Swansea.

We're not mugs!

I hate Schneiderlin so much, it's not healthy for my soul.  We play with 10 men when he's on the pitch.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 10:03:30 PM
I'd let Swansea have Sigurdsson back on the first for what he's actually worth. 25m

It's not that he's bad. He's just functional. Just a plodder who's convinced people he's a playmaker by being on every set piece

I don't think we'd get many offers at £25m mate.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 10:03:42 PM
.can't understand why McCarthy didn't just kick that ball out of play, Gaye was down injured right next to him, appalling decision to pass back. Having said that we have been crap, Bolasie and Rooney on at half time, for a start.
But from that mistake,4 defenders all go to stop the cross and leave the scorer with the freedom of Dorset
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 10:03:46 PM
d

What do you know about his tactics then ?

Picking 3 defensive midfielders against struggling teams is negative, same against West Brom, basically playing not to concede
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on December 30, 2017, 10:05:34 PM
I hate Schneiderlin so much, it's not healthy for my soul.  We play with 10 men when he's on the pitch.

😆 Great line
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:05:46 PM
2 mins and Rooney in with a chance.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:05:47 PM
Nah Sigurdsson is a good player. I don't the think he joined us to watch the ball sailing over his head.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:06:26 PM
Nah Sigurdsson is a good player. I don't the think he joined us to watch the ball sailing over his head.

That's a great ball to be fair.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:06:28 PM
I like Sigurdson, I just think he is surrounded by shite.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
That's a great ball to be fair.

He's a good player and a proven player. Stop slagging him off. You're talking shite.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:08:25 PM
Useless cnut Schneidelin... takes the ball in space and gives it back to the CB.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ball8y on December 30, 2017, 10:08:38 PM
both teams appear to be playing from left to right into the same goal on my stream
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 10:09:16 PM
Can't believe how deep we still are here.

Need to get at least 15 yards up the field, press and get players around DCL.

Can't quite believe what am seeing.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 30, 2017, 10:09:52 PM
I like Sigurdson, I just think he is surrounded by shite.
He's a good player, just not what we need in that position (left wing)
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 10:10:52 PM
Comfortable afternoon for mighty Bournemouth so far
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 10:11:20 PM
There are three certainties in life: death, taxes, and me complaining every time we play with two or more defensive midfielders.

Break this shit up, it's proven garbage. Bolasie or Davies on for Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:11:48 PM
Niasse yay !
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 10:12:02 PM
I bet they can't believe how comfortable this game of football is. We haven't managed to spend more than a few seconds with the ball in their half. This is really, really poor. For the third game in a row.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:12:16 PM
Niasse coming on for DCL.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 10:12:29 PM
I just don't know why managers at Everton completely ignore the benefits of playing with wingers
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:12:31 PM
He's a good player, just not what we need in that position (left wing)

He's not a left winger whatsoever. We have a really unbalanced squad and can't play any decent system properly with our best players. Our best players being Rooney, Sigurdson and Rooney.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
DCL off. Not a hard decision.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 10:13:29 PM
We are so shit it's depressing. Poor fullbacks (Kenny isn't ready yet but hopefully he will be one day), crabs in midfield and a striker too inexperienced.

Sandro and Klassen must not be up to the grade, they've been out of favour with 3 different managers this season.

Fuck knows what's up with Vlasic.

Lookman gives the ball away a lot.

We can't score a goal without Rooney. Sigurdson has too much to do on his own, I feel sorry for him. And Lennon is what he is, amazing workrate, good pace.. not the most creative player we've ever had.

With the injuries we knew we had in the summer, our transfer business was dreadful.
Reason is like witchcraft round here mate.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 10:13:45 PM
That sub won't change anything.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on December 30, 2017, 10:13:48 PM
He's not a left winger whatsoever. We have a really unbalanced squad and can't play any decent system properly with our best players. Our best players being Rooney, Sigurdson and Rooney.
Shame we've only got 1 Rooney, could do with more
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 30, 2017, 10:14:09 PM
He's a good player and a proven player. Stop slagging him off. You're talking shite.

You keep taking the bait though.

The same slightly re-worded post was made twice in 15mins, blatant fishing and youíve been had mate.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:14:49 PM
Play it the f forwards.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 30, 2017, 10:14:50 PM
what a fucking shit substitute.

why not play with 2 strikers, dropping rooney back into midfield.. the last time (andonly) he had a terrific match v west ham,
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 10:14:53 PM
Get in you bastard
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 30, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
This is grim watching
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:15:05 PM
Three minutes of pressure and they break. Keep it up.

Great assist by Niasse.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 10:15:08 PM
This is better!  My stream Copa

KKSKSAKH


YYYYYYYAAAAAAAHH!!!!

GET IN GET IN GET IN GET IN.   That's how you attack!  Let's get in there and win this. 

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bally on December 30, 2017, 10:15:16 PM
Get in oumar what a fucking touch
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:15:16 PM
You keep taking the bait though.

The same slightly re-worded post was made twice in 15mins, blatant fishing and youíve been had mate.

People started agreeing with it though.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:15:17 PM
Get in!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:15:21 PM
Gueyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ee
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:15:38 PM
Get the fuck in!! Playing some football now too
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bwana on December 30, 2017, 10:15:43 PM
Oumar! Oumar! Oumar! Great vision, nice shot from Gana.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:15:50 PM
I'd have took Schneiderlin off instead.

In fact no, I'd have looked at my choice of strikers on the bench, realised it was Niasse and then handed in my notice.

No I wouldn't even work my notice, not worth it. We are a joke of a club. DCL and Niasse as the main men after selling Lukaku for 75mil.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 10:15:51 PM
Gerrrin
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on December 30, 2017, 10:16:07 PM
That was a lovely touch from Niasse, and Gueye getting in the box!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 10:16:24 PM
Big sam tactical genius. Idrissa gueye best number 10 in all the lands
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 10:16:32 PM
What an incredible touch from niasse.

Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 10:16:33 PM
Oumar Oumar Oumar
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:16:38 PM
Great passing from both Sigurdsson and Niasse. Tidy finish too.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 10:16:44 PM
Get the fuck in
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 30, 2017, 10:16:47 PM
Outstanding from Niasse.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 10:17:07 PM
I think we can fix this with two subs.

- Rooney for one of the midfielders.

- Bolasie (w/ Sigurdsson moving to the middle) or Davies for one of the other midfielders
Agree. But they didnít start because they werenít fit enough.

Iím not defending the starting line-up, just the reasons for putting it that team out.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blob on December 30, 2017, 10:17:10 PM
nice goal
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:17:10 PM
Finally some attacking quality.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:17:16 PM
Rooney really does change us a lot when he's on. A quality player who can play in between the lines, make good passes, runs from deep, desire to score.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ball8y on December 30, 2017, 10:17:26 PM
Well backscuttle me with a strapon. I never expected that
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:17:33 PM
Quality finish as well with the defender sliding in
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 10:17:33 PM
Get in. Seriously. These are for the taking. Should have started like this. Great assist by Niasse
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 30, 2017, 10:17:36 PM
Rooney has made a difference, just shows a bit of quality we've been lacking
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:17:38 PM
Niasseís workrate helping us here again.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: velimski on December 30, 2017, 10:17:41 PM
Sexual assist from Oumar
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:17:47 PM
Niasse's hold up play and vision there was genuinely worldclass.
Can he play as a 10?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 10:17:54 PM
King oumar puts the shits up em
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 10:18:34 PM
Niasse is a machine. An out of control machine. But still a machine!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
What a save that is
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:19:02 PM
Niasse's hold up play and vision there was genuinely worldclass.
Can he play as a 10?

No
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 10:19:02 PM
Great stop after we get cut open
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 10:19:07 PM
What an incredible touch from niasse.



Classiest bit of skill we've seen from him yet.

Pickford just kept us in the game.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:19:18 PM
Grrrreat save !
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 10:19:24 PM
If we'd have signed Niasse in the summer he'd be getting so much more credit than he does. He's not great but he's improved no end since he first joined and he's a great option to have in the squad.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
Rooneys flick is just plain idiocy there. Brilliant save from Pickford
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Fynci on December 30, 2017, 10:19:43 PM
That sub won't change anything.

Hmmm not sure about that!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bwana on December 30, 2017, 10:19:43 PM
Ladies & gents: That's what I call keeping!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:19:49 PM
Great stop by Pickford. What was Rooney doing trying to flick the ball like that on the edge of the box?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
No

I was joking
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 10:20:15 PM
Good stuff Pickford!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 30, 2017, 10:20:42 PM
If we'd have signed Niasse in the summer he'd be getting so much more credit than he does. He's not great but he's improved no end since when he first joined and he's a great option to have in the squad.

Iím genuinely shocked DCL starts ahead of him. Worlds apart in terms of attacking threat.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 10:20:48 PM
Pickford keeping us in the game here. We need to calm down. And keep the ball
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 10:21:14 PM
Grrrreat save !

I like the fact he jumped up and dug Rooney out for the sloppy pass which set it up.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Tinga on December 30, 2017, 10:21:32 PM
Get in !!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:22:12 PM
Get in !!
Are you really far behind?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 30, 2017, 10:23:09 PM
Get in !!

Same stream as you bro. Was wondering what all the fuss was about
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 30, 2017, 10:23:27 PM
Love me some Pickford
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:23:36 PM
I think I preferred the Holgate Williams combo.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 10:24:08 PM
Kenny drops so deep
It's gonna coat us
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:24:16 PM
Look dodgy down the flanks. Too many easy crosses allowed.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Tinga on December 30, 2017, 10:24:52 PM
Are you really far behind?

Ye I thinking I was ahead..  :Gana:
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:25:15 PM
The problem our last 2 games hasn't been our poor attack. It's that we've been quite poor defensively too.
Need to get control of this game even if it's all dull possession
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:25:42 PM
Kenny is struggling here.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:26:05 PM
Handing momentum back here.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:26:38 PM
1-1
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSTsUqkW0AA6gUt.jpg)
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 10:26:49 PM
The problem our last 2 games hasn't been our poor attack. It's that we've been quite poor defensively too.
Need to get control of this game even if it's all dull possession
Nízonzi will help massively
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 10:26:50 PM
Nervy here... need to settle the next 5 minutes and quiet the crowd.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:27:08 PM
Like to see bolaise now
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 10:27:54 PM
Getting twitchy here. Sort it out
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:28:07 PM
Siggy looks a different player now he's fit.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:28:24 PM
I'd like to see Ibe put down for having his first name on his shirt.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:28:31 PM
Like to see bolaise now

About to get your wish it looks like, question is for who...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 10:28:36 PM
This is still really poor.

Worth remembering our goal come from their error.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:29:02 PM
On for Gueye.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:29:03 PM
Could defo win this if we're clever. These will go all out for the win so there will be gaps.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:29:06 PM
Big Yan
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 10:29:34 PM
For all the deserved criticism Big Sam got in the first half, I am very happy with the substitutions this half. Bolasie on for Gueye is very attacking.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 10:29:40 PM
Schneiderlin off, Bolasie on and Rooney and Sig in the middle together. We need people in the centre who look comfortable on the ball with Gana behind them for insurance.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:29:42 PM
See Rooney say "why me?" Then?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 10:29:59 PM
So you're telling me that Schneiderlin is going to be wandering around for 90 full minutes...

 :wanker:
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:30:08 PM
Bolasie winner would be just lovely
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 10:30:12 PM
What a bizarre sub that is. Surely schneiderlin was the one to go
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:30:58 PM
Saving Gana for the next games.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 10:31:00 PM
See Rooney say "why me?" Then?

Thought he was being subbed?  Or orders from Sam to change position?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:31:10 PM
What a bizarre sub that is. Surely schneiderlin was the one to go

Gueye's hamstring probably swayed it.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:31:18 PM
What is Schneiderlin doing there?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:31:46 PM
What a bizarre sub that is. Surely schneiderlin was the one to go

Coming back from injury is gueye and we have a game in 2 days
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:31:48 PM
Sloppy again FFS.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:31:49 PM
Gana had the injury and lots of games ahead. That's what it'll be.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:32:19 PM
Yikes. Weíre just handing them the ball.

Again Schneiderlinís awareness is terrible there.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 30, 2017, 10:32:21 PM
The fuck are our midfield doing
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:32:24 PM
Thought he was being subbed?  Or orders from Sam to change position?

No it was after the sub, instructions from Bolasie.

Really unhappy with Schneiderlin today. The co-commentator on my stream is on to him being shit as well, whoever he is.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:32:37 PM
Some of our passing is beyond laughable. Just zero thought or care on occasion
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 10:32:41 PM
Morgan putting in another stinker
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:33:38 PM
Bolasie still very short of match fitness but still looks a threat.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:33:59 PM
Bolasie? What was that?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 30, 2017, 10:34:14 PM
Havenít watched all the game but we need go find a right mug of a club to take Schneiderlin of our hands.

Problem is who will match his wages? 
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:34:59 PM
We look like we can score another here. Unfortunately, also looking vulnerable defensively.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 10:35:18 PM
Morgan putting in another stinker

He used to score 3-5 a season with Southampton. Can never imagine him doing the same for us. Something has changed. Maybe he is asked to player deeper for us, but I don't think that can be the only factor. 
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 10:35:26 PM
Schneiderlin's corpse is having a rough game here.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:35:39 PM
Niasse looks awful but somehow gets the job done...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on December 30, 2017, 10:35:45 PM
Haven’t watched all the game but we need go find a right mug of a club to take Schneiderlin of our hands.

Problem is who will match his wages? 

China?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 30, 2017, 10:35:58 PM
Forgot why Bolasie could be so infuriating
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:36:17 PM
Niasse had a great chance to play Bolasie in with a 1-2 there. It's stuff like that that does managers heads in.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:37:31 PM
The Two Sam's going mad on the bench ha ha.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 10:37:43 PM
Jags five yards behind the rest of the defence. The team overall is far too stretched in length which is mainly why we can't string many passes together.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:38:13 PM
Niasse had a great chance to play Bolasie in with a 1-2 there. It's stuff like that that does managers heads in.

Drives me mad how many attacks break down like this.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:38:50 PM
Shocking defending again.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:39:05 PM
Horrendous that passing !
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:39:24 PM
Pickford's parrying is brilliant lately. He cost us a few goals earlier in the season by not doing it right.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ball8y on December 30, 2017, 10:39:41 PM
The ref is shaped like a letter S. Just like I do after a skinful
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eugene on December 30, 2017, 10:39:41 PM
Be really fucked without Pickford btw
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:40:04 PM
Keane was dreadful there. Think it was him that gave it away and then he just backs off further and further
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:40:27 PM
Just so sloppy.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:40:34 PM
It's impossible to analyse this game. It's like watching a couple of chaotic conference teams.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:40:56 PM
Late winners happen here. COYB !
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:41:08 PM
Bolasie doesnít look ready.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:41:43 PM
Late winners happen here. COYB !

It shouldnít be to us though given the last 10 mins.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:42:06 PM
Oh what a chance.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 10:42:06 PM
What the arsefuck was Bolassie supposed to do with that pass from Rooney?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:42:26 PM
Arrgh great chance.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:42:42 PM
Brilliant from Niasse. Crap from Sigurdsson
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 10:42:53 PM
They are going all out attack.  Can definitely hit them on the counter.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
No ambition to go on and win it.

Sitting back and seeing what we can sniff out on the counter
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:43:45 PM
Great defending Ake
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 10:44:24 PM
Sigurdsson! At least get a corner if the defender is gonna get a tackle in!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:44:32 PM
Brilliant from Niasse. Crap from Sigurdsson

Sprinted the length of the pitch. Give the defender credit there.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:45:36 PM
Sprinted the length of the pitch. Give the defender credit there.

I do. He did well. Good touch from Sigurdsson and the defender wouldn't have had a chance though
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 30, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
At least this is a tad more entertaining.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 10:45:41 PM
No ambition to go on and win it.

Sitting back and seeing what we can sniff out on the counter

It's no mystery. We aren't very good. Sorry to break the news.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:45:58 PM
Got what we deserve.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:46:13 PM
F it
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 30, 2017, 10:46:17 PM
Fuck
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 10:46:20 PM
Deserved
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 10:46:25 PM
Cue meltdown
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bally on December 30, 2017, 10:46:28 PM
Fuck off Everton
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Fucking bollocks
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 10:46:49 PM
fuck
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:46:50 PM
Sam's luck has run out.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 10:46:52 PM
Deserved
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bwana on December 30, 2017, 10:47:03 PM
That has been coming for 20 minutes now...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 10:47:04 PM
Fucking hate this club
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 30, 2017, 10:47:10 PM
I do. He did well. Good touch from Sigurdsson and the defender wouldn't have had a chance though

Don't think there was anything wrong with his touch, he took it in his stride and got his shot away
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:47:15 PM
Michael Keane has been a disaster this game.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 10:47:17 PM
JJK again.  Poor show by Schneiderlin and the rest of the defense.

TBF, we deserve nothing from this match. 
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on December 30, 2017, 10:47:29 PM
Bolasie playing at half-speed. Maybe the wrong sub.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 10:47:31 PM
Michael Keane. Take a bow son
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 10:47:50 PM
Ah well
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:47:56 PM
Keane is shite. His 2 special skills are giving it away and backing off. Crap player
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: hamshank33 on December 30, 2017, 10:47:57 PM
They deserve that I am sick of getting served this s****
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 10:48:12 PM
Really proud of the lads there.

Bournemouth is a hard place to go.

Ignore the haterz #AllardyceIsLife
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:48:13 PM
Killed down our right in this half. Kenny's not been at his best but had no help whatsoever.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 10:48:13 PM
Shithouse tactics. The commentator had literally just said "not much longer for Everton to hold on" which pretty much says it all. These were in the relegation zone. Awful
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 10:48:17 PM
Time enough if weíve got the intent
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 10:48:41 PM
Time to realise you're managing Everton now Sam Allardyce.

Settling for a point at Bournemouth when you're managing palace and Sunderland is fine, not here though.

His relentless negativity throughout his this game has cost us.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on December 30, 2017, 10:49:44 PM
I totally agree they deserve it. I never want us to lose but im glad big Sam cant stand there smiling talking about an unbeaten run.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on December 30, 2017, 10:50:09 PM
Bolasie has been a passenger since he came on.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 10:50:10 PM
You just can't defend him at all, negative fucker
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 10:50:19 PM
Can't understand why our defenders don't put their body on the line to stop a shot?

I don't want to equalise here. Just to slap fat Sam in the face.

I do really,  but I don't.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:50:30 PM
We deserve nothing. Morgan is truly dreadful.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 10:50:38 PM
Keane and Jagielka should never play together.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 30, 2017, 10:50:44 PM
Can't say I'm that bothered tbh. Watching us play the way we are is sort of desensitising me to disappointment and pain.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 10:50:53 PM
Time to realise you're managing Everton now Sam Allardyce.

Settling for a point at Bournemouth when you're managing palace and Sunderland is fine, not here though.

His relentless negativity throughout his this game has cost us.
Look at his options. Shite or unfit.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 10:51:15 PM
Some of you cunts wanted Silva
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 10:51:50 PM
Look at his options. Shite or unfit.

We're playing fucking Bournemouth
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 10:52:06 PM
Keane for 30mil is the worst signing Everton have ever made
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:52:06 PM
Bolasie has been a passenger since he came on.

Nowhere near ready.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:52:13 PM
You can't play 10 men behind the ball and block shots all the time. Eventually there will be deflections that go against you.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 30, 2017, 10:52:22 PM
Got what we deserved with that shithouse line up.

Unlucky Sam, no more unbeaten run to brag about, hopefully you might start getting us to play proper football now
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:52:37 PM

His relentless negativity throughout his this game has cost us.

Like bringing on Rooney, Niasse and Bolasie.

The poor defending since they came on has cost us.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 10:52:39 PM
If we were a a car the mechanic would say "a full nut and bolt restoration required"
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 10:53:27 PM
How can the first defeat in 8 games feel so deflating. Total shithouse selection, tactics and performance.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on December 30, 2017, 10:53:29 PM


Time to realise you're managing Everton now Sam Allardyce.

Settling for a point at Bournemouth when you're managing palace and Sunderland is fine, not here though.

His relentless negativity throughout his this game has cost us.

Totally agree. Playing WBA and Bournmouth not to lose is totally unacceptable...youve righted the ship, thats what youre good at and what was needed...youve also shown the complete limitations in your tactical ability. Keep us top 10 till the summer and then fuck off and let the rebuilding process begin again...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
Look at his options. Shite or unfit.
How many Bournemouth players would get in our team?

They have shite players, we have less shite players.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:53:44 PM
Awful
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ross on December 30, 2017, 10:53:46 PM
First win in 8 for the mighty Bournemouth hard to compete against that sort of momentum I suppose.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on December 30, 2017, 10:53:46 PM
God this has been bad. New manager effect has officially wore off.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blob on December 30, 2017, 10:53:47 PM
fuck
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 10:54:30 PM
Like bringing on Rooney, Niasse and Bolasie.

The poor defending since they came on has cost us.

Course mate, all the players fault, not the managers at all.

Team selection and tactics spot on today.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 30, 2017, 10:54:45 PM
awful, fuck off Sam, fuck off Everton. Shithouses from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dreggs on December 30, 2017, 10:54:52 PM
Disgraceful against this team... Grow some balls and remember, attack is the best form of defence !!!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on December 30, 2017, 10:55:02 PM
Look at his options. Shite or unfit.
Cant agree...Vlasic, lookman....uo8 trllong me theyre worse than McCarthy?? No way
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 10:55:04 PM
Let's bring on the attacking players, they said. Let's go for the win, they said.

Fact is we can't defend with these present players, unless we have a defensive line up.

Happy now Blues!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: School of Science on December 30, 2017, 10:55:09 PM
Got what we deserved, so many expensive signings, so many ordinary performances, we must be the most negative e team in the league.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 30, 2017, 10:55:15 PM
Keane for 30mil is the worst signing Everton have ever made

Last year of his contract too. What the fuck would he have cost had he had a few years left?? 50m?? Jesus he's dreadful
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 10:55:43 PM
Last two games have shown the extent of our ambition.

Shocking stuff from all concerned.

Tactics were awful but equally some of the players were abysmal.

Can expect the same again versus Man United Iím sure.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 10:55:53 PM
Setting up to hopefully nick a point at Bournemouth, fucking Bournemouth who have conceded a shit load of goals at home this season, ahahaha!!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 30, 2017, 10:56:54 PM
Fuxk off Sam biggest shithouse we've got .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 30, 2017, 10:57:46 PM
Like bringing on Rooney, Niasse and Bolasie.

The poor defending since they came on has cost us.

The game was lost when we took off our best DM Gueye and left in his place, the most completely useless limp wrist I've ever seen in an Everton shirt, Morgan Schneiderlin.

We cannot progress with him in the side - a fact.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on December 30, 2017, 10:57:49 PM
Setting up to hopefully nick a point at Bournemouth, fucking Bournemouth who have conceded a shit load of goals at home this season, ahahaha!!

this, we did the same v swansea, fucking disgraceful, setting up cos your scared of the oppositions attacking intent.. oh wait they have none.. but its ok.. let them attack we will just keep passing it back to them.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 30, 2017, 10:57:49 PM
I predicted this 2-1 score against those who said we were certs to win.  Can't imagine how anyone could expect a lot more from this team of crabs. Expect an honest assessment form Sam. This is what I was asked here to fix. Roll on end of January with new players.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bwana on December 30, 2017, 10:58:00 PM
Our so-called D costed us this one. Kenny should've taken a yellow when he saw himself gotten beaten at the midfield. Not to mention the shit house 3 defensive midfielders-tactics too. Schneiderlin was back being Schneiderlin.

Piss poor this.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheTone on December 30, 2017, 10:58:07 PM
Disgraceful against this team... Grow some balls and remember, attack is the best form of defence !!!

Alright Roberto?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: nsno on December 30, 2017, 10:58:11 PM
Disgraceful against this team... Grow some balls and remember, attack is the best form of defence !!!
Who let Roberto Martinez join the site??
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on December 30, 2017, 10:58:40 PM
Like bringing on Rooney, Niasse and Bolasie.

The poor defending since they came on has cost us.
No, the totally offering nothing for 45mins and letting them get confidence killed us. If we set up to play 90 mins of trying to score, maybe yhe shit opposition has to react to us instead of letting them run at as for 45mins....Newcasle, wba, today...all same " bend dont break" mentality...it gets old
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 10:58:49 PM
Let's bring on the attacking players, they said. Let's go for the win, they said.

Fact is we can't defend with these present players, unless we have a defensive line up.

Happy now Blues!
There's simple changes that could be made and we could still be solid but also have an attacking edge

8 defensive minded players agaisnt a side who hadn't won in 8, only scored in half of their home performances this season.... That's just utter bollocks

When you're defending as deep as that, with that many people in the box deflections like that are more likely
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 10:59:19 PM
Course mate, all the players fault, not the managers at all.

Team selection and tactics spot on today.
See Ram the thundercunt is back, where have you been hiding these last couple of years?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 10:59:33 PM
Who let Roberto Martinez join the site??

Just because he failed to implement it doesn't mean it was wrong.

The guy managing the team walking away with the title would probably say the same thing.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 30, 2017, 11:00:17 PM
Schneiderlin go home and be a family man
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 30, 2017, 11:00:18 PM
Fuxk off Sam biggest shithouse we've got .
Are you starting an "Allardyce out" campaign already? Or were you just overreacting?  Early days yet; judge him at the end of 2018/19 not back end of 2017.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 11:00:22 PM
The game was lost when we took off our best DM Gueye and left in his place, the most completely useless limp wrist I've ever seen in an Everton shirt, Morgan Schneiderlin.

We cannot progress with him in the side - a fact.

Correct.

But people want us to go for the win.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 30, 2017, 11:00:26 PM
Manager gets it wrong shocker.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 30, 2017, 11:01:37 PM
Wonder if this result validities xg a bit

Sitting back and eeking out results through luck while conceding chances and creating little wonít get you very far.

In fact it will probably get you mid table at best, which Big Sam knows all about.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 11:01:48 PM
Moshiri better prepare for open wallet surgery,because kids apart barely 3 of that team are prem standard.This side is riddled with shocking players of shocking standard,no way can this squad challenge for anything in the coming years.Our new stadium will be the best thing about the club moving forward,certainly not the team.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on December 30, 2017, 11:01:51 PM
Never mind... only United and Liverpool next.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on December 30, 2017, 11:01:58 PM
Let's bring on the attacking players, they said. Let's go for the win, they said.

Fact is we can't defend with these present players, unless we have a defensive line up.

Happy now Blues!
Why do we only try 30 mins? Maybe if we make this level of opposition have to think and defend a little in the first hour they wont keep be so fucking proficient coming fwd at us...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 11:02:10 PM
See Ram the thundercunt is back, where have you been hiding these last couple of years?

That's unfair GrantyBoy78 :(
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
Manager gets it wrong again shocker.

And yet some still defend him
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bwana on December 30, 2017, 11:02:39 PM
When you're defending as deep as that, with that many people in the box deflections like that are more likely

This. In Moyes-era deflections used to fly in also constantly, and that was when we were defending 5-6 metres higher up.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 11:02:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/947148920572076033
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 11:03:33 PM
Never mind... only United and Liverpool next.

And Spurs
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TSGun on December 30, 2017, 11:03:50 PM
And so 2017 comes to an end.

Let's never speak of it again.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on December 30, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
Iíll try and be kind to Allardyce and say possibly he was trying to see as many of the players as he could before the window opened. So thatís why weíre seeing Jagielka and Keane after Williams and Holgate, plus the appearances of McCarthy, Bolasie and co.

There are still a lot of problems with this squad, managerial tactics aside.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on December 30, 2017, 11:04:11 PM
Schneiderlin go home and be a family man
Yup. Tried to defend him because somewhere in there is a classy player but fuck, he seems so lazy and disinterested...how fucking bad must klaasen be to not get any fucking minutes?:(
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 11:04:35 PM
Martina was our best defender today
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 30, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
Sounds like some of youse lot should be heading for the Pier Head to put an end to it all. Get some perspective and look in the longer term. Next week or you will be yelling ooh ooh look we've signed. (I hope).
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 11:05:18 PM
Martina was our best defender today

Who cares.

He's fucking shite and nowhere near good enough for us
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on December 30, 2017, 11:05:30 PM
Correct.

But people want us to go for the win.
Are ypi fucking saying trying to score goals and defending are mutually exclusive??? WTF???
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: nsno on December 30, 2017, 11:06:03 PM
Just because he failed to implement it doesn't mean it was wrong.

The guy managing the team walking away with the title would probably say the same thing.
City have an incredibly well balanced team, their defence, midfield and attack are superb, that's why they're walking it this year. We don't have that, we have a manager who can drill a defence, which he's done very well since he's been here. Attacking wise we are poor, having to rely on an u20 international doesn't help and the lack of creativity is worrying.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 30, 2017, 11:06:41 PM
The fans are already turning.

You could hear the groans from the away end today.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
The fans are already turning.

You could hear the groans from the away end today.

Its inevitable and will only get worse
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: ally2 on December 30, 2017, 11:09:18 PM
Who cares.

He's fucking shite and nowhere near good enough for us

Yeah, not really the point I was making
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blueski on December 30, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
7 wins 6 drawn and 8 losses, pretty uninspiring stuff

hope we can get some bodies in
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on December 30, 2017, 11:11:00 PM
Let's face it though, Bournemouth are a difficult side to create chances against and their record against sides above them his season has been awesome
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 11:12:20 PM
Who cares.

He's fucking shite and nowhere near good enough for us
Our best player today isn't good enough for us? we really have a lot of shite then.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on December 30, 2017, 11:12:45 PM
The fans are already turning.

You could hear the groans from the away end today.

It was that line up wasn't it? Seeing Gana, Morgs and McCarthy all in the same team is just grim. Travel all the way to Bournmouth to see us batten down the hatches.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 30, 2017, 11:13:20 PM
I heard the first splash in the Mersey, I think it must have been Macca77 putting an end to it all. "We are doomed"  is the message he was heard to yell as he sank beneath the freezing water. Not surprising really considering what he was writing.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 11:13:56 PM
Our best player today isn't good enough for us? we really have a lot of shite then.

He wasn't our best player, he's created fuck all going forward all season and the only time people praise him is for not getting absolutely rinsed by a winger.

If taking any other starting full back in the league over him.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blargins on December 30, 2017, 11:14:24 PM
And yet some still defend him

I've defended him. But the ship was steadied. He had our best defence pairing in Holgate and Williams, and has shaken it up totally. Not sure why that partnership was broken up.

Oh well, onto the new year.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 11:15:03 PM
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Martina was our best defender today
That mate means the others had Malaria
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 30, 2017, 11:15:59 PM
Our major problems right now are Jags and Keane. Those two together are just no good. Must be Williams and Holgate as much as possible. JJK forgot he was a RB today, at fault for both goals.

And Big Sam... More like the Big Fraudster. Changing my profile and he will be called Big Fraud by me from now on. What a tosser. I am done with him already.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 30, 2017, 11:17:05 PM
Are you starting an "Allardyce out" campaign already? Or were you just overreacting?  Early days yet; judge him at the end of 2018/19 not back end of 2017.
Not at all, but shithouse tactics got us on the wrong end today and after Sam learning fuck all at WBA  .. no?.

Would you not like to see us even say out to try and attack a little bit ?.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 11:17:11 PM
He wasn't our best player, he's created fuck all going forward all season and the only time people praise him is for not getting absolutely rinsed by a winger.

If taking any other starting full back in the league over him.
He's had some very good games..you hate him...but ok
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 30, 2017, 11:19:10 PM
That's unfair GrantyBoy78 :(
Sorry mate, flash of anger. Youíre a good egg usually xxx
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 11:19:27 PM
I heard the first splash in the Mersey, I think it must have been Macca77 putting an end to it all. "We are doomed"  is the message he was heard to yell as he sank beneath the freezing water. Not surprising really considering what he was writing.

What the fuck are you on about
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 11:20:02 PM
He's had some very good games..you hate him...but ok

What constitutes as a good game for Martina?

A. Not getting destroyed by a winger

The fact expectations are so low with him tells you what a bag of shite he is.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Escla on December 30, 2017, 11:20:58 PM
The fans are already turning.

You could hear the groans from the away end today.

Didnít mean to like ( not saying I disagree either, just hit the wrong button) but groaning not alleays a sign of discontent, mostly just disappointment.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 30, 2017, 11:22:27 PM
What constitutes as a good game for Martina?

A. Not getting destroyed by a winger

The fact expectations are so low with him tells you what a bag of shite he is.
Yea it's poor not having an actual left back.

He either doesn't get forward to support the winger ahead of him or he slows down the attack because he has to cut back onto his right foot.

I get why, he's not a left back and not getting another LB was another failure from the summer window.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 30, 2017, 11:23:29 PM
I certainly would, but if I had to pick an attacking team from this shite then we might lose 5-1 instead of 2-1.  Apart from lacking confidence a lot of the players are not good enough to project us upwards. Let the manager get shut of about 5 or 6 over the next 6 months, buy new players and then either salute him next season or hang him, and you can say I told you so. We don't have too many players who could be made into very good players due to terrible recruitment and over optimistic expectation of youngsters. We are now paying the price. That is why Mr Allardyce is here.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 30, 2017, 11:24:33 PM
What the fuck are you on about
Did someone pull you out? Is that good news or bad news?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on December 30, 2017, 11:25:17 PM
I certainly would, but if I had to pick an attacking team from this shite then we might lose 5-1 instead of 2-1.  Apart from lacking confidence a lot of the players are not good enough to project us upwards. Let the manager get shut of about 5 or 6 over the next 6 months, buy new players and then either salute him next season or hang him, and you can say I told you so. We don't have too many players who could be made into very good players due to terrible recruitment and over optimistic expectation of youngsters. We are now paying the price. That is why Mr Allardyce is here.

Good job we sacked the fella who signs all the players then....
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2017, 11:25:23 PM
I certainly would, but if I had to pick an attacking team from this shite then we might lose 5-1 instead of 2-1.

I don't even know where to start with this
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheTone on December 30, 2017, 11:26:50 PM
amazing that we have 27 points so far which is comparable to our points total 12 months ago
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on December 30, 2017, 11:27:38 PM
Fucking soul destroying that. Inevitable when you seen that line up at the start.

Love to know whats going on with Vlasic.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 30, 2017, 11:28:12 PM
Just think it shows we have a lot of issues. Like a lot a lot.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 30, 2017, 11:28:14 PM
Early results have all but banished the threat of relegation. Sam is having a look at players and formations to weed out those players  not up to it and today's fixture was one he probably thought he could experiment in and still win.
We'll have a few more results like this as the season goes on but there is no need to lose our nerve.

Disappointing but inevitable I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 30, 2017, 11:28:22 PM
I think that's confirmed for me that we're going nowhere near a Europa spot this season. Thought we may have had an outside chance of sneaking 7th but if we're going to be playing like that (and West Brom and Chelsea) no chance.

Mid table obscurity.

Why can't we just have a manager who is balanced. Martinez - too attacking. Sam - way too defensive. Koeman - couldn't even work out what he was trying to do.

And before anyone says about incoming signings i'll be surprised if we get this striker in we've been looking at.

Would you come here if you were a striker after watching that? He'll get to stand up front on his own hopefully trying to create something out of nothing, every game.

I won't be surprised in the slightest if he goes somewhere else and i wouldn't blame him either, could ruin his career playing in a team with those shithouse tactics.

Park the bus at Bournemouth who've not won in 8 and can't defend? Fucking disgraceful
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 30, 2017, 11:28:28 PM
What constitutes as a good game for Martina?

A. Not getting destroyed by a winger

The fact expectations are so low with him tells you what a bag of shite he is.
Maybe if you are right, then the fact he has looked our most creative player going forward at times and he's been good defensively on more than 1 occasion then we can only deduce that we are absolutely fucked with this squad...Pickford apart?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 11:28:59 PM
amazing that we have 27 points so far which is comparable to our points total 12 months ago
We were fucking awful this time last year as well
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 11:29:34 PM
Early results have all but banished the threat of relegation. Sam is having a look at players and formations to weed out those players  not up to it and today's fixture was one he probably thought he could experiment in and still win.
We'll have a few more results like this as the season goes on but there is no need to lose our nerve.

Disappointing but inevitable I'm afraid.
Experiment with and not lose
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on December 30, 2017, 11:30:07 PM
Bournemouth. Ffs. Fucking Bournemouth.

Watch them lose the next 5.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 30, 2017, 11:30:33 PM
Total shithouse tactics last three games. Playing for a point against West Brom and Bournemouth is as low as it gets. Itís Moyes at his worst.
We were lucky to not get beat against Chelsea and West Brom and our luck ran out today. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt before today, I think Iíve just lost interest in us now. 2017 was a shite year for watching us and I canít see it getting any more attractive under him.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Normm on December 30, 2017, 11:31:58 PM
That defeat was down to the manager.

Finally, when Everton looked to be on top of the game, he takes Gana off and moves Rooney into his role. Suddenly, the team was once more all over the place and making mistakes. Gana was showing no sign of needing to come off and was linking well with Niasse, who looked dangerous from the moment he came on. (The best striker we have, in spite of Allardyce's remarks.)

Plus, that choice of a defensive starting eleven was pathetic. Watching paint dry was more exciting than that first half.

Today, Allardyce's luck ran out.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 30, 2017, 11:34:34 PM
We need to be A bit more creative when we have the ball according to the manager

Creative with a mf of three of the least creative midfielders in the world

A winger who barely assists and an actual cm or no ten playing left mid

Add that to a defence camped out on out 18 yard box
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on December 30, 2017, 11:35:01 PM
See youse lot at Goodison on Monday. Batten down the hatches and close one eye.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Stumpy on December 30, 2017, 11:35:13 PM
Let's face it though, Bournemouth are a difficult side to create chances against and their record against sides above them his season has been awesome
Sarcasm at it's best.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheTone on December 30, 2017, 11:36:27 PM
We were fucking awful this time last year as well

consistently shit
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Fynci on December 30, 2017, 11:40:41 PM
The only good news from today is that I fly to Australia tomorrow for a month so the timezone will mean I wonít be watching us for a while. Happy 2018 to the rest of you.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on December 30, 2017, 11:44:27 PM
See youse lot at Goodison on Monday. Batten down the hatches and close one eye.

at least you'll be easy to spot in your "I love Big Sam's Big back line" t-shirt on.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 30, 2017, 11:46:03 PM
The only good news from today is that I fly to Australia tomorrow for a month so the timezone will mean I wonít be watching us for a while. Happy 2018 to the rest of you.
Or Big Roms out of mondays game
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 11:46:51 PM
Or Big Roms out of mondays game

That's bad news for us, he'd have shit himself
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Normm on December 30, 2017, 11:48:51 PM
Quote from: Cozzie link=topic=95269.msg1409063#msg1409063 date=151465485

Love to know whats going on with Vlasic.
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Lot's would. Last time out, he looked sharp, intercepting passes, showing speed and vision. He just needs a run of games IMO.

I'm not sure Sam Al does attack. He slagged of Niasse who has been out best striker and has shown a great fighting spirit. And really, I'm not sure he can dismiss Sandro so soon into his appointment. Sandro scored 14 goals in the Spain's top division last year. He can't be that bad.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 30, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Did someone pull you out? Is that good news or bad news?

Im fine, thanks for your concern
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 30, 2017, 11:58:16 PM
Great assist from Niasse
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Ravardo on December 31, 2017, 12:03:47 AM
Our side needs ross barkley so much its shocking,,if the lad moves to another side when he could breeze back into ours and easy be the best player weve got he's fucking deluded...even a 30% fit bolaise looks better than most and just havin someone whos actually able to pass a ball would be a breath of fresh air,,If he came back i dont think he'd be under as much pressure as he would be at another team so it makes sense,,well to me anyway
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Smingers on December 31, 2017, 12:03:56 AM
Bolassie on for guaye was a wrong sub. Guaye was bossing it. Even when Bolassie came on and told Rooney to move position, Rooney was like 'what me?'

Should have won the game. All the other results fell for us as well could have made up some ground / pulled away.

Never mind.. Losing the next 3 games anyway (man utd, them lot, and then spurs) as we will probs not sign anyone to make an impact
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 31, 2017, 12:05:30 AM
Gana had to come off. 3 games in a week and dodgy hamstrings. Amazing he played today at all.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on December 31, 2017, 12:11:45 AM
Bolassie on for guaye was a wrong sub. Guaye was bossing it. Even when Bolassie came on and told Rooney to move position, Rooney was like 'what me?'

Just finished watching the game and wanted to come on and say this.

Rooney Niasse subs changed the game for us in a much better way.

Bolasie on killed it for us. My god you can tell he hasn't played for over a year...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on December 31, 2017, 12:12:35 AM
Gana had to come off. 3 games in a week and dodgy hamstrings. Amazing he played today at all.

That's fine if he comes off, but who we put on is what killed it.

Could have put Davies out there.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 31, 2017, 12:13:26 AM
£6m/year.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 31, 2017, 12:17:47 AM
It's utterly laughable to give unsworth the credit instead of allardyce. His performance as manager was inept. In his defence I think he tried to do too much rather than the basics for his audition but to give him credit for our upturn is biased nonsense

You can't actually read properly can you ? Give Big Sam the credit for the last 2 performances though .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 31, 2017, 12:21:50 AM
The post I quoted said "it was unsworth not allardyce that inherited a mess"
It's just plainly not true. We were terrible defensively under unsworth even in the 4 nil against West Ham.

No one will ever know if the West Ham game would have been Unsworths turning point . Some people actually gave Allardyce credit for that . Walking to stand still for the next 18 months but standing still is I believe the stability we were crying out for .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 12:31:04 AM
Think we've peaked position wise
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheTone on December 31, 2017, 12:35:43 AM
Think we've peaked position wise

The bird and myself were saying the same last night
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on December 31, 2017, 12:38:04 AM
The days of ploughing through a season taking one game at a time are long gone. We are in the middle of the busiest time of the season with an injury hit squad. Sam played a changed side against our weakest opposition over this period and nearly got a point.

It's disappointing at the time but there is a bigger picture. Try not to make knee-jerk reactions and put the performance into perspective.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: burkey17 on December 31, 2017, 12:38:22 AM
  Wrong selection. So negative. Niasse and Rooney should of started for me. McCarthy and DCL?!We equalised and thought we might have gone on?but with Subs so disjointed. They deserved to win. So much energy and pace!
Pickford- fantastic. If all comes down to selection for me! We have a lot to learn! You f'd up today Sam. Learn from it and stop going on that our defending was shite... and we have no productivity going forwards?! Well f'in set you're team up right! Yeh you have steadied the ship but your 1st XI today! Obviously Niasse has no chance with you?!
Ok positives 1 loss in 9 and still 9th when we were 17th so Thanks! But us Evertonians who know what the score is will not 'accept' turgid performances and picking such a poor/negative Midfield! Get it sorted for Mon!
And I'm with Kramer N'Zonzi is not the answer! Get someone in....forward ball please.. don't know who like? And hopefully this Tonsun is ok? but never seen him play so hopefully he's better than what we have. Over it- Rant over-lol!
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 12:38:34 AM
The bird and myself were saying the same last night
was she dressed at the time? sorry to be nosey but it might lift the gloom.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 31, 2017, 12:40:04 AM
The bird and myself were saying the same last night
Have you tried the one through the serving hatch.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 31, 2017, 12:40:55 AM
The days of ploughing through a season taking one game at a time are long gone. We are in the middle of the busiest time of the season with an injury hit squad. Sam played a changed side against our weakest opposition over this period and nearly got a point.

It's disappointing at the time but there is a bigger picture. Try not to make knee-jerk reactions and put the performance into perspective.

We have 32 players in our squad. 3 are maybe injured. We have attacking talent all over the place who never play. Klassen is better than Mccarthy and he has shown nothing so far. We play badly with 2 DM, so whats Frauds answer... Let's play 3 of them.Could of played Sig in midfield and Vlasic or Sandro up top. DCL is completely fatigued. Could play Sandro and/or Niasse. or Vlasic. So many options. The injury thing is no excuse against West Brom and Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheTone on December 31, 2017, 12:46:48 AM
Have you tried the one through the serving hatch.

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Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on December 31, 2017, 12:47:02 AM
We have 32 players in our squad. 3 are maybe injured. We have attacking talent all over the place who never play. Klassen is better than Mccarthy and he has shown nothing so far. We play badly with 2 DM, so whats Frauds answer... Let's play 3 of them.Could of played Sig in midfield and Vlasic or Sandro up top. DCL is completely fatigued. Could play Sandro and/or Niasse. or Vlasic. So many options. The injury thing is no excuse against West Brom and Bournemouth.
So true.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 12:54:36 AM
Is what it is really, canít tell me thereís a quality difference between us, palace, West Ham, Watford, Leicester, Burnley in terms of squad and management.

Only thing we have going for us is our name.

Weíve sunk into mid table, sold our prize jewels without replacing...Story of my life as an Everton fan tbh.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on December 31, 2017, 12:57:15 AM
Is what it is really, canít tell me thereís a quality difference between us, palace, West Ham, Watford, Leicester, Burnley in terms of squad and management.

Only thing we have going for us is our name.

Weíve sunk into mid table, sold our prize jewels without replacing...Story of my life as an Everton fan tbh.

Massive difference between us and Burnley in terms of management.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 12:58:19 AM
We have 32 players in our squad. 3 are maybe injured. We have attacking talent all over the place who never play. Klassen is better than Mccarthy and he has shown nothing so far. We play badly with 2 DM, so whats Frauds answer... Let's play 3 of them.Could of played Sig in midfield and Vlasic or Sandro up top. DCL is completely fatigued. Could play Sandro and/or Niasse. or Vlasic. So many options. The injury thing is no excuse against West Brom and Bournemouth.
Fraud? if ever there was a manager who could be called fraud it's not Allardyce, he's a 1 string guitar for fucks sake... the squad is poor,he was brought in to polish a turd and he's managed a creditable satin finish up to now. if he keeps half way up with this lot it'll be a good job done.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 12:58:44 AM
Massive difference between us and Burnley in terms of management.

True unfortunately.

Roy has palace absolutely balling as well.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 31, 2017, 01:00:50 AM
Fraud? if ever there was a manager who could be called fraud it's not Allardyce, he's a 1 string guitar for fucks sake... the squad is poor,he was brought in to polish a turd and he's managed a creditable satin finish up to now. if he keeps half way up with this lot it'll be a good job done.

Yeah the kickbacks he took when English manager. Not fraud. The pretending to be a top quality manager because of an ear piece and then collecting 6m/ year is fraud. pretending to be a decent manger and then parking the bus against Bournemouth and West Brom. thats being a fraud.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 01:04:15 AM
Yeah the kickbacks he took when English manager. Not fraud. The pretending to be a top quality manager because of an ear piece and then collecting 6m/ year is fraud. pretending to be a decent manger and then parking the bus against Bournemouth and West Brom. thats being a fraud.
I'm sorry darling i just can't talk to you when you're this angry,we'll talk in the morning x
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: TheTone on December 31, 2017, 01:06:13 AM
Yeah the kickbacks he took when English manager. Not fraud. The pretending to be a top quality manager because of an ear piece and then collecting 6m/ year is fraud. pretending to be a decent manger and then parking the bus against Bournemouth and West Brom. thats being a fraud.

you reckon he constantly plays Pink Floyd (money) on that ear piece?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Stumpy on December 31, 2017, 01:07:33 AM
We have 32 players in our squad. 3 are maybe injured. We have attacking talent all over the place who never play. Klassen is better than Mccarthy and he has shown nothing so far. We play badly with 2 DM, so whats Frauds answer... Let's play 3 of them.Could of played Sig in midfield and Vlasic or Sandro up top. DCL is completely fatigued. Could play Sandro and/or Niasse. or Vlasic. So many options. The injury thing is no excuse against West Brom and Bournemouth.
Totally agree.Playing against the better clubs I understand being a bit more defensive,hence I was happy with the point v Chelsea.However the line ups for west brom and Bournemouth were way over the top defencivly.It handed initiative to 2 poor out of form sides,and if it had not been for 2 glaring misses from west brom we would have lost both games anyway.I don't think injuries had anything to do with the line ups,he was just being overly cautious.I'm grateful that he's dragged us us away from the the drop zone for now,but he has to start showing a bit more imagination going forward in his selections.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 31, 2017, 01:10:40 AM
Those asking (like myself ) for more attacking will be waiting a good five more games ...before we get anything positive ...he's negative against shite against the upper echelons  ...were gonna be a tortoise firlmy hidden  in its fucking dire shite defensive shell .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blue slug on December 31, 2017, 01:16:26 AM
We have the players to be having a go at teams like Bournemouth and West Brom
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 01:20:43 AM
I think we'll get a point monday.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 31, 2017, 01:23:55 AM
Soton showing that you can be defensive and have a threat here
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on December 31, 2017, 01:29:40 AM
Soton showing that you can be defensive and have a threat here
Exactly...somehow some in here have been tricked into believing there are only two options: park the bus and cross your fingers OR get overran and concede 4 or 5. Pretty sure over my 50 years watching and playing Ive seen managers and teams score AND defend...even in the same half!;)
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 01:38:44 AM
Exactly...somehow some in here have been tricked into believing there are only two options: park the bus and cross your fingers OR get overran and concede 4 or 5. Pretty sure over my 50 years watching and playing Ive seen managers and teams score AND defend...even in the same half!;)
When you can park the bus and score you've arrived..
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: burkey17 on December 31, 2017, 01:40:41 AM
Whatever Manager in charge we would 'all' be disappointed with 1pt from West Brom and Bournemouth Away wouldn't we?
Yes I'm happy he's steadied the ship but f me I have just watched 180 mins of shite! Yeh you might say injuries/ players coming bk- but we have 32 Players Sam says- we'll sort it out fella and don't make'excuses' for the clowns before you.....
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 31, 2017, 01:47:46 AM
Absolutely fucking wank.

Nothing worse than a half arsed Rooney and Schneiderlin stinking the place out.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 31, 2017, 01:51:44 AM
James McCarthy's stats against Bournemouth:

Minutes - 45
Pass accuracy - 69%
Interceptions - 0
Clearances - 0
Tackles - 0
Shots blocked - 1
Aerial duels won - 3
Errors leading to a goal - 1
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2017, 01:55:09 AM
Come on lads, its not his team yet, West Brom and Bournemouth are tought teams etc...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 31, 2017, 01:58:21 AM
Come on lads, its not his team yet, West Brom and Bournemouth are tought teams etc...


Tought like a tiger
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on December 31, 2017, 02:01:41 AM
He brings on Davies for Gueye and I really believe we win this game.

We looked decent going forward and we were fine at the back after the Rooney, Niasse subs.

Then Gueye came off(which is fine), but for a winger that screwed our shape up and it allowed them to walk into our area and have 4 point blank attempts at our goal in the last 15 minutes. 1 off the woodwork, and the eventual winner.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 31, 2017, 02:02:55 AM
I appreciate his honest post game comments at least.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on December 31, 2017, 02:21:01 AM
Four and a half years roughly since the Moyes era finished and nothing really has changed in trying to move the club forward. Here we are today as Allardyce as our manager. Not his fault he's the Everton manager, he's getting his reward afterall but you clearly question the people that run and own the club - zero interest whatsoever in taking EFC to the next level. Absolute shite club loaded with 90 per cent of shite players.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 31, 2017, 04:01:39 AM
So if a draw was a "more than decent result" was a narrow defeat just a "decent result"? :)
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 31, 2017, 04:23:10 AM
most of the game we were shite , apart from the goal and Niasse setting up Gylfi,   started the game with wrong team ,corrected it , got back in it ,  finished it with the wrong team,   Bolasie sub should have been Davies or Benni should have been on the bench-----

dropping Rooney back a long Morgs did not work and Bolasie might as well not been on the pitch----

Just like McCarthy in the first half

Bolasie sub was meant to be an attacking threat , he normally brings on another defensive sub to kill the game off

not saying this is what he should have done , as was only Bournemouth but we aint been knocking teams over away have we.

the whole team shape changed on the Bolasie/ Gana change ----nulifying Rooney's threat



that next 5 games thread how many points is looking shite unless we beat the mancs-

13pts from 15pts
down to
2pts from 9pts

could soon be from 12pts
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Django on December 31, 2017, 04:32:23 AM
Vlasic must be shit in training

Anyone know what's gone on there?

@Django (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4371) ?

No idea mate. Iíd presume Koeman was playing him as he was out of all other ideas. Unsworth and Allardyce both donít seem to fancy him. Maybe heís just not that good?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Escla on December 31, 2017, 04:49:06 AM
Four and a half years roughly since the Moyes era finished and nothing really has changed in trying to move the club forward. Here we are today as Allardyce as our manager. Not his fault he's the Everton manager, he's getting his reward afterall but you clearly question the people that run and own the club - zero interest whatsoever in taking EFC to the next level. Absolute shite club loaded with 90 per cent of shite players.

I really do question why anyone who thinks that we are an absolute shite club loaded with shite players would support such a club ? Maybe they voted for a shite President ?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 31, 2017, 05:53:56 AM
It's all getting a bit partisan in here, but I'd be intrigued to see how the media reacts if we're still playing like this in February.

The results have masked what has been some pretty poor performances IMO. We've had the rub of the green so far under Allardyce
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 31, 2017, 06:17:41 AM
Haven't read much of the thread but even some of Allardyce apologists seemed to go quite at about 4.50pm.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 06:42:34 AM
1 defeat in 8, people need to relax and see the bigger picture.

Also worth remembering the 1 defeat was narrow away from home
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 31, 2017, 06:48:16 AM
1 defeat in 8, people need to relax and see the bigger picture.

Also worth remembering the 1 defeat was narrow away from home
Agaisnt a side who hadn't won in 8
And are shit
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 31, 2017, 06:48:59 AM
1 defeat in 8, people need to relax and see the bigger picture.

Also worth remembering the 1 defeat was narrow away from home

Also worth remembering they were 18th in the league Sam, no matter how you dress it up this was a bad result.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 06:49:29 AM
They looked half decent to be fair
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 31, 2017, 06:50:48 AM
They looked half decent to be fair
Ha ha haha
And finally


Wumed to death
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Gash on December 31, 2017, 06:52:00 AM
They looked half decent to be fair

Ah, well that makes it ok then.

As you were lads, stand down, we lost against a team that looked half decent, that's the main thing, to be fair.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 31, 2017, 07:00:04 AM
They looked half decent to be fair
This has to be your funniest/most deluded post on here yet ....that I've seen.

Sam's shite ideas made them look good ...end of .
Every man Jack on here knew as soon as we saw the team sheet we were fucked .
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on December 31, 2017, 07:01:18 AM
They looked half decent to be fair

Hahah seriously well done for lasting this long
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 07:02:04 AM
Needing a new manager who ever it was going to be is the tragic bit..
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: brap2 on December 31, 2017, 08:31:34 AM
I appreciate his honest post game comments at least.

Same after every game though innit. Only go do fa
It's all getting a bit partisan in here, but I'd be intrigued to see how the media reacts if we're still playing like this in February.

The results have masked what has been some pretty poor performances IMO. We've had the rub of the green so far under Allardyce

Donít think anyone outside of L4 will give a shit mate. We scrape 10th with a few 0-0ís and a few 1-0ís - itís about where the rest of the world sees us and about where we deserve to be.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: boothill on December 31, 2017, 09:37:40 AM
He brings on Davies for Gueye and I really believe we win this game.

We looked decent going forward and we were fine at the back after the Rooney, Niasse subs.

Then Gueye came off(which is fine), but for a winger that screwed our shape up and it allowed them to walk into our area and have 4 point blank attempts at our goal in the last 15 minutes. 1 off the woodwork, and the eventual winner.
That was the invite to come and shag us royally, cunt of a decision
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on December 31, 2017, 02:34:18 PM
That was the invite to come and shag us royally, cunt of a decision

The irony

People on here arguing they would rather see us go for it an lose

We go for it and lose, and they are still not happy


Haters gonna hate
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 31, 2017, 03:12:56 PM
I really do question why anyone who thinks that we are an absolute shite club loaded with shite players would support such a club ? Maybe they voted for a shite President ?
Weíre chosen...unfortunately.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on December 31, 2017, 04:56:13 PM
The irony

People on here arguing they would rather see us go for it an lose

We go for it and lose, and they are still not happy


Haters gonna hate

In what alternate universe did we go for it and lose?
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on December 31, 2017, 05:00:28 PM
The irony

People on here arguing they would rather see us go for it an lose

We go for it and lose, and they are still not happy


Haters gonna hate
Is that you Tay tay ?.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on December 31, 2017, 05:48:55 PM
In what alternate universe did we go for it and lose?

In his WUM head
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 31, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
The irony

People on here arguing they would rather see us go for it an lose

We go for it and lose, and they are still not happy


Haters gonna hate

I'm undecided whether @therealdunc is a WUM or not, but it's true that people said after West Brom that they'd rather we went for it and lost. Well we went for it against Bournemouth at 1-1 and lost. The team is just shite, we're not gonna steamroll anyone any time soon unless Sig or Rooney have a blinder.

But for me, Allardyce has definitely made his first mistakes, which was starting McCarthy instead of Davies or Baningime, and changing the CBs.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: blob on December 31, 2017, 07:05:55 PM
Allardyce is/was the biggest mistake.

going nowhere fast...
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 31, 2017, 07:48:07 PM
Allardyce is/was the biggest mistake.

going nowhere fast...

Yeah true, coz we were flying before he came.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: Escla on December 31, 2017, 09:02:14 PM
In what alternate universe did we go for it and lose?

Maybe the one where we took an defensive midfielder off and brought on a winger, albeit a winger who was clearly not match fit.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 31, 2017, 11:22:51 PM
Just watched the highlights. About a minutes worth and was all about Bournemouth apart from the bit about our goal. Don't think I'll bother reading though this thread as I reckon it said it all. Need a win/result hope to play Everton....and Allardyce can fuck off an all with that team selection. Same old shit from the former England manager.

Happy New Year Evertonians like.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 31, 2017, 11:43:55 PM
Seems Sams honeymoon period is over he's now as welcome as a period on a honeymoon in some quarters, it's never dull this Everton Malarky.
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on January 01, 2018, 12:08:46 AM
I'm undecided whether @therealdunc (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5069) is a WUM or not, but it's true that people said after West Brom that they'd rather we went for it and lost. Well we went for it against Bournemouth at 1-1 and lost. The team is just shite, we're not gonna steamroll anyone any time soon unless Sig or Rooney have a blinder.

But for me, Allardyce has definitely made his first mistakes, which was starting McCarthy instead of Davies or Baningime, and changing the CBs.

Sorry for being a true blue who keeps things in perspective

As for Davies, he has been dreadful all season, he is not the answer

We also have another game 48 hours after the Bournemouth game, he may well have been trying to balance the squad to ensure we have as many fresh legs as possible
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: boothill on January 01, 2018, 12:36:18 AM
Trying to understand why you would take gana off and leave schniederlin as the sole DM, hes been our poorest midfielder all season and unable to tackle a bag of crisps, bad decision by the manager that, looked as though we could nick a win before that change
Title: Re: Bournemouth v Everton
Post by: therealdunc on January 01, 2018, 12:43:33 AM
Trying to understand why you would take gana off and leave schniederlin as the sole DM, hes been our poorest midfielder all season and unable to tackle a bag of crisps, bad decision by the manager that, looked as though we could nick a win before that change

Possibly itís cause Gueye was carrying a knock
Also schniderlin is meant to be on of the fittest players in the squad