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Title: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 18, 2015, 07:33:13 AM
Sorry lads  :-\

Win 3-1
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 18, 2015, 07:47:47 AM
Mehhhh, what else could you say that you already didn't in the home tie thread.

Don't worry about it man

:)

Be interesting to see how he sets up here.

Sit back and try to conserve our lead? Or try to hit them on the break and get an away goal?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 18, 2015, 08:08:51 AM
Reckon a 4-3-3 counter attacking job similar to the Wolfsburg away. Mirallas will have to come back in won't he, with Lennon not available and McGeady living underground? Bout time Kev fucking contributed summat.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 18, 2015, 08:43:44 AM
Think we will pack the midfield with Barry, McCarthy and Besic and make it hard for them, try and nick one on the break.

I would rather we come out the blocks like a bat out of hell and force the tie in our favour with an early goal, can't see it though myself. Still think we will go through, won't be easy though.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 18, 2015, 09:07:00 AM
Not looking too healthy on the yellow card count, they don't get wiped until after the quarter finals.

http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/DisciplinaryChart/uefaorg/UEFACompDisCases/02/22/29/51/2222951_DOWNLOAD.pdf (http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/DisciplinaryChart/uefaorg/UEFACompDisCases/02/22/29/51/2222951_DOWNLOAD.pdf)

Besic, Lukaku, Mirallas, Naismith and Pienaar on the edge.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 18, 2015, 02:05:17 PM
These were proper shit once we had a go at them, they were all over the place.

While we should respect them at home, they're not going  to suddenly turn into Barca, either. We've got to look to get a goal or two, then manage the game.

Really not sure how we'll play. I'd like to think we'll play well and be professional...However, can see us setting up to defend and creating nothing ... whilst also looking horrible and ragged, at the back.

Going for a 1-1 draw
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 18, 2015, 02:36:35 PM
Anyone else's flight been cancelled?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 18, 2015, 03:48:02 PM
Anyone seen Atsu say that they are off to Russia on Instagram. Hahha
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 18, 2015, 04:27:41 PM
@Everton (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3064): Aiden McGeady is in the #EFC squad travelling to Kyiv but there's no Kevin Mirallas. The flight is due to leave John Lennon Airport shortly.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 18, 2015, 04:42:02 PM
@Everton (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3064): Aiden McGeady is in the #EFC squad travelling to Kyiv but there's no Kevin Mirallas. The flight is due to leave John Lennon Airport shortly.
Oh thats good news
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 18, 2015, 04:43:22 PM
@Everton (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3064): Aiden McGeady is in the #EFC squad travelling to Kyiv but there's no Kevin Mirallas. The flight is due to leave John Lennon Airport shortly.

kev doesn't fancy it
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 18, 2015, 04:53:11 PM
Oh thats good news

kev doesn't fancy it

Odd that it was barely noticed that Mirallas wasn't even on the bench on Sunday.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 18, 2015, 04:58:18 PM
Isn't Mirallas supposed to be injured? Weird if not.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 18, 2015, 05:00:53 PM
He's obviously injured if he isn't in the squad
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 18, 2015, 05:06:57 PM
I'd be happy with a defeat here













As long as it's 3-2
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 18, 2015, 05:08:06 PM
He's been in the dog house since the WBA incident. He's been used really strangely since then and I reckon it's because the manager resents the fact he's playing for himself.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 18, 2015, 05:16:50 PM
There will be a lot of pressure on us until we score, but if/when we do, it will shift heavily to them.  yay, away goal rule.

Besic was made for this moment, the venom of the crowd will feed his fire.

I wonder if Kone and/or Osman will be fit enough to start, or if we hold them in reserve.  Not sure what I would do, tbh.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 18, 2015, 05:27:42 PM
Odd that it was barely noticed that Mirallas wasn't even on the bench on Sunday.

real shame how his season's turning out. he looked like he really wanted to take responsibility at the start of the year and was being more productive than ever, but it's sort of swung the wrong way maybe.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: fez91 on March 18, 2015, 05:28:43 PM
With Lennon ineligible, Mirallas injured and McGeady only just recovered from injury, I think Atsu will start as a wide option - he did well against Newcastle for the short period he was on. I imagine Stones, Barry & Naismith will also come back into the team, probably for Alcaraz, Gibson & Kone.

                 Howard
Coleman Stones Jagielka Baines
             McCarthy Barry
        Atsu Naismith Osman
                 Lukaku
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 18, 2015, 05:40:15 PM
I think he's just injured.

He's obviously got an issue with his hamstring, which is why he can't complete 90 minutes.

No way roberto would just leave him out such a big game.

He's a big game player is Mirallas
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Verm on March 18, 2015, 05:59:06 PM
Need to go at them and score first, perhaps quieten the crowd a little.

Considering how poor they were last week though we really should be confident of a result here.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 18, 2015, 06:10:00 PM

He's a big game player is Mirallas

was shite on thursday
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 18, 2015, 06:10:41 PM
think we will play similar to how we did at Wolfsburg away. Sit back, let them have the ball and kill them on the counter. 2/3-1 win i think.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 18, 2015, 06:19:50 PM
was shite on thursday

He was.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 18, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
think we will play similar to how we did at Wolfsburg away. Sit back, let them have the ball and kill them on the counter. 2/3-1 win i think.

Is right Lizzz!

Sit deep, keep it tight and then POW. Sucker punch on the counter attack.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 18, 2015, 06:31:52 PM
I think he's just injured.

He's obviously got an issue with his hamstring, which is why he can't complete 90 minutes.

No way roberto would just leave him out such a big game.

He's a big game player is Mirallas

I'm sure he is injured as he wouldn't have been left out for both games.

But for whatever reason this season has really gone down hill for him.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 18, 2015, 06:34:38 PM
real shame how his season's turning out. he looked like he really wanted to take responsibility at the start of the year and was being more productive than ever, but it's sort of swung the wrong way maybe.

Yeah I thought towards the end of last season that he was starting to develop beyond a player with moments of magic/effectiveness.

That carried on into this season where he was pretty good until his injury vs L'pool. It was back to being patchy after that (West Ham aside) and then it's fallen off a cliff post West Brom.

I think there's more than a fair bit of coincidence with all this but it isn't going to look good simply because what he said sticks in people's minds.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 18, 2015, 06:37:31 PM
Need to go at them and score first, perhaps quieten the crowd a little.

Considering how poor they were last week though we really should be confident of a result here.

They have an historically poor record away from home, especially in England.

We'll have to play better than we did in the home leg to go through imo.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 18, 2015, 06:50:33 PM
First to score wins I'm thinking so get the fuck at them from the whistle.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: dax78 on March 18, 2015, 08:09:14 PM
Mirralas has not travelled, Lennon (for some reason) and McGeady have.
Think this might spell the end of super Kev's Everton career?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 18, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
Mirralas has not travelled, Lennon (for some reason) and McGeady have.
Think this might spell the end of super Kev's Everton career?

Seriously just think he's injured. He will probably leave in the summer though as I don't think he has any intention of staying
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 18, 2015, 08:12:12 PM
They have an historically poor record away from home, especially in England.

We'll have to play better than we did in the home leg to go through imo.
We will have to play miles better
If we give them a lenghty spell ie 30 mins like we did at home they will walk trhough us
Kiev have always been very good at home, if we get through this theres a fair chance we will need a performance of the season * here

* Admittedly thats not hard
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 18, 2015, 08:13:24 PM
Seriously just think he's injured. He will probably leave in the summer though as I don't think he has any intention of staying
I think it was Fern who mentioned it, once or twice if my memory serves me, that he is going to spurs as part of a swap deal for Lennon
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Django on March 18, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
What is going on with Mirallas here? Why has nothing been said about his sudden disappearance. I know we're hardly on top of things when it comes to communicating with our fans, but he's one of our best players - I'd like to think we'd be told where he is.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 18, 2015, 09:37:30 PM

What is going on with Mirallas here? Why has nothing been said about his sudden disappearance. I know we're hardly on top of things when it comes to communicating with our fans, but he's one of our best players - I'd like to think we'd be told where he is.

He's full on binned it.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 18, 2015, 09:40:10 PM
Mirallas went off holding his groin injured against Dinamo, then he missed the newcastle game as he was still injured

My guess is that he's injured

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: 74Blue on March 18, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
Even though Lennon is not elgible to play on Thursday, there's no harm in him travelling with the squad. There's no rule that says he can't train with them out there and a couple of days away with his teammates can't do any harm.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 18, 2015, 10:23:15 PM
Isn't Mirallas supposed to be injured? Weird if not.

At the beginning of our last match commentators said he was injured.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 18, 2015, 10:31:03 PM
Hopefully the Kiev defenders will be as in awe of big Rom as their security men...  :snigger:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAY1AkAWEAALgn0.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 18, 2015, 10:34:53 PM
I made this....
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 18, 2015, 10:35:57 PM
Hopefully the Kiev defenders will be as in awe of big Rom as their security men...  :snigger:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAY1AkAWEAALgn0.jpg:large)

He looks half bricking it and half in love! Haha!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 18, 2015, 10:39:35 PM
Hopefully the Kiev defenders will be as in awe of big Rom as their security men...  :snigger:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAY1AkAWEAALgn0.jpg:large)
Nice pic of Ross and Rom
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 18, 2015, 10:41:13 PM
Got a feeling they'll win 2-1 in normal time, and we'll get one in ET, and win 4-3 on aggregate. Could be an epic.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 18, 2015, 10:42:20 PM
Conspiracies arife here.

He's injured and probably stayed at home to receive treatment
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Thom on March 18, 2015, 10:45:37 PM
 - Between them, Andriy Yarmolenko and Romelu Lukaku have ten goals and eight assists - 3 goals and 6 assists for Yarmolenko; 7 and 2 for Lukaku.

- Kyiv have won all four of their Europa League home matches, and always by a margin of two goals or more.

- Everton are unbeaten in their four away fixtures in Europe, with two wins and two draws.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 18, 2015, 10:49:15 PM
Mbokani looked fairly shite in the first leg I thought. Compared to our solitary striker, he looked like a pub player.

Belhanda is still out, and Lens might be out. Hopefully that keeper plays again.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 18, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
Yup. Yarmolenko is their danger but their keeper is our opportunity. It should be shoot on sight if he's playing with our front players following in to mop up anything he spills.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 18, 2015, 10:57:01 PM
My mate at work was sitting right next to Mirallas (& Oviedo) at the Newcastle match and both said they were injured but will be back very soon..
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 18, 2015, 10:57:36 PM
My mate at work was sitting right next to Mirallas (& Oviedo) at the Newcastle match and both said they were injured but will be back very soon..

He must have felt like the ugliest man alive.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 18, 2015, 11:01:39 PM
He must have felt like the ugliest man alive.

He is a she ! Was given hospitality tickets for Mothers Day in the Dixie Dean Suite. Took all the family, even her fella who is a Red, plus 4 kids who are all Blues. Said it was a fantastic day and the players were brilliant getting the pics taken & autographs for the kids.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 18, 2015, 11:01:45 PM
He must have felt like the ugliest man alive.

Aw - why do you have to bring Flanagan into an Everton thread?

(http://www.thehardtackle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Jon_Flanagancthekopenddotcom.jpg)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 18, 2015, 11:04:20 PM
Press conference live updates:
 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fc-in-kiev-live-8839459 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fc-in-kiev-live-8839459)

BBC preview now up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31949673 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31949673)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 18, 2015, 11:08:42 PM
EFC won't be training on the pitch tonight due to its poor condition. RM: "It's a shame for the game but it'll be the same for both teams."

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZTTaLW8AAX7YH.jpg)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 18, 2015, 11:11:11 PM
Not sure a bad pitch suit us at all assuming we'll mostly be counter attacking
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 18, 2015, 11:22:55 PM
Mirallas injured...
RM: "Mirallas picked up a knock in the first leg at Goodison but we have got a strong squad. We can be flexible."
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 18, 2015, 11:34:44 PM
Not training on the pitch is a bit of a blow like. Won't be the same for both teams at all, cos I'm fairly sure they'll be used to it.

Bet you it's like a carpet under those sheets, sneaky bastards.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 18, 2015, 11:50:07 PM


Can't do kick ups FFs
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 18, 2015, 11:56:19 PM
He's just trying to control it the usless big goal scoring bastard..
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 18, 2015, 11:56:45 PM
Conspiracies arife here.

He's injured and probably stayed at home to receive treatment

I think people want to hear something like

Everton contract rebel Kevin Mirallas has sensationally gone awol from Everton's training ground after a huge bust up with blue boss Roberto Martinez. The Belgian confronted the Catalan manager by jumping at him from a finch farm window and demanded that the team change their tiki taka style in favour of quick direct forward passing and bombarding the ball in and around Mirallas and his fellow want away international team mate Romelu Lukaku.

Martinez is said to have refused to listen to Mirallas as he had approached him from a height instead of at ground level, thus going against Martinez' philosophy of keeping it on the ground.

The Belgian is no stranger to controversy,having snatched the ball of regular penalty taker Leighton Baines against West Brom before missing from 12 yards. He then refused to emerge for the second half, as his team mates refused to call him King Kev, instead Mirallas immediately left Goodison and took a shit on the Dixie Dean statue on his way out
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 12:10:56 AM
View from the fans hotel:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZZ1h8WsAAPp8B.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 19, 2015, 12:12:49 AM
I think people want to hear something like

Everton contract rebel Kevin Mirallas has sensationally gone awol from Everton's training ground after a huge bust up with blue boss Roberto Martinez. The Belgian confronted the Catalan manager by jumping at him from a finch farm window and demanded that the team change their tiki taka style in favour of quick direct forward passing and bombarding the ball in and around Mirallas and his fellow want away international team mate Romelu Lukaku.

Martinez is said to have refused to listen to Mirallas as he had approached him from a height instead of at ground level, thus going against Martinez' philosophy of keeping it on the ground.

The Belgian is no stranger to controversy,having snatched the ball of regular penalty taker Leighton Baines against West Brom before missing from 12 yards. He then refused to emerge for the second half, as his team mates refused to call him King Kev, instead Mirallas immediately left Goodison and took a shit on the Dixie Dean statue on his way out

Ha ha! Does he still have the gold car?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 19, 2015, 02:22:41 AM
Someone's hormonal today i see.. :whistle: :whistle:
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Verm on March 19, 2015, 03:03:04 AM
- Between them, Andriy Yarmolenko and Romelu Lukaku have ten goals and eight assists - 3 goals and 6 assists for Yarmolenko; 7 and 2 for Lukaku.

- Kyiv have won all four of their Europa League home matches, and always by a margin of two goals or more.

- Everton are unbeaten in their four away fixtures in Europe, with two wins and two draws.

Just to put those 4 home wins in perspective, these were their opponents:

Guingamp, Rio Ave, AaB and Steaua Bucuresti

All teams I'd expect us to beat by bigger margins
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 03:41:09 AM
Everton... the last remaining British team playing in Europe !
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 19, 2015, 03:56:40 AM

Everton


Everton

No pressure Everton...

Posted at 21:40
I'm shocked we actually get a mention on BBC Sport page

'' So Everton are the last Premier League side standing in Europe. Tomorrow night they take on Dynamo Kiev in the Europa League.''
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 04:01:40 AM
Ha ha, all those bitter Kopites, Mancs & Cockneys having to watch us, hoping we get beat !!  :snigger:
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 19, 2015, 04:10:49 AM
Ha ha, all those bitter Kopites, Mancs & Cockneys having to watch us, hoping we get beat !!  :snigger:

Fuckem!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 19, 2015, 04:17:50 AM
I bet the match is on ITV 4 over there ;)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 19, 2015, 04:27:26 AM
I bet the match is on ITV 4 over there ;)
..........yes it is but it's better than BT Sport with Owen and McManamanaman .
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 19, 2015, 04:37:54 AM
Time for the nation to get behind us tomorrow...


On ITV 7 +1.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on March 19, 2015, 05:14:53 AM
Time for the nation to get behind us tomorrow...


On ITV 7 +1.

I hope most will. I am living abroad, but I have a tough time imagining most neutrals (non-Norweigens and non-Liverplaudians) would cheer against us. We aren't exactly a "hatable" team.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 19, 2015, 05:33:30 AM
We don't conflict with NC State's NCAA tourney game tomorrow, which is good for me, pjc, and maybe 2 or 3 other Wolfpack supporters that I've tried to rally to the Evertonian cause.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: BrotherEstapol on March 19, 2015, 06:17:46 AM
Really worried here...not that I don't think we can win it, just that there's the chance we can blow it.


So a draw of any kind is win? A 1-0 loss is a defeat? 2-1 loss is Extra time/Penalties? 3-2 loss is a win?
...and obviously a win of any kind wins the tie.

Just need to score really, once we've scored I'll be much calmer...really hope that away goal we conceded doesn't cost us.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2015, 06:32:11 AM
I think there's a couple of ways we can win:

1) We can do the Wolfsburg counter thing, pack the midfield, play measured, precise football and rinse them on the break with pace when we win the ball off them.

2) We could play high tempo, hassle and press the fuck out of them, and use extra fitness and physicality to unsettle them in the way that a lot of English clubs have over the years in continental competitions, and the way we did for the last hour of the home leg, when they didn't appear to have an answer.

I'd start with the first approach, and if it's not working, switch to the second.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: chang on March 19, 2015, 07:03:05 AM
Just before we go ....

(https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1604819_10152618132756277_4862610813235912578_n.jpg?oh=b24fa9fe1b4166633b7ee2e3bc67f403&oe=557B0CFE)

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: BrotherEstapol on March 19, 2015, 07:18:32 AM
Priorities!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TSGun on March 19, 2015, 12:01:09 PM
Does Stones jump straight back in now he's fit? Alcaraz, who was good against Newcastle but struggled in the home tie with Kiev, has match fitness on his side.

In the biggest game of the season thus far it's not as simple a decision as it would normally be.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on March 19, 2015, 12:09:33 PM
Just to put those 4 home wins in perspective, these were their opponents:

Guingamp, Rio Ave, AaB and Steaua Bucuresti

All teams I'd expect us to beat by bigger margins
agree What frightens me was tha AaB, when the group  was still tight were able to beat Kiev 3.0 in Aalborg
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 19, 2015, 02:56:51 PM
Does Stones jump straight back in now he's fit? Alcaraz, who was good against Newcastle but struggled in the home tie with Kiev, has match fitness on his side.

In the biggest game of the season thus far it's not as simple a decision as it would normally be.

thought Alcararz was fantastic against newcastle
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2015, 03:46:20 PM
Alcaraz was my MOTM against Newcastle, but for me Stones comes straight back in.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 19, 2015, 03:50:11 PM
Form is temporary, class is permanent. Stones to come back in.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 19, 2015, 05:00:23 PM
What BD and blarg said.  Plus, who knows.  The shit version of Alcaraz could show up, perhaps brought on by jetlag.  Too risky for me, as long as Stones is close to 100% fitness.

Plus, we obviously want him for hypothetical pens.  :D
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 19, 2015, 05:01:42 PM
Though I did vote Lennon MotM (Alcaraz totally deserving, as was Rom), proving I will mildly disagree with BD once in awhile, at least.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 19, 2015, 05:18:34 PM
Difficult to decide whether to pick Alcaraz or Stones.

Stones is just coming back from injury and to be honest in the last few games that he's played he has not always been very reliable.

Alcaraz did very well in the Newcastle game but against Kiev he did have a bit of a nightmare in the first half so if he was to play tonight, Kiev might target him as our weak link.

I'll let Martinez be the judge.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 19, 2015, 05:22:07 PM
Looking forward to this tonight and hopefully we can do a bit of a Wolfsburg on them. I think we can win this and another 2-1 looks about right as I doubt we'll be able to keep a clean sheet. A 1-1 or 2-2 draw would also do nicely. I think the players must be aware that this is a massive game if they're going to rescue anything from the season. I've got a feeling they're going to be up for this. These are the sort of ties where players get yellows and reds like confetti, so they're going to need to be on the ball with all the facets of a really big match facing them tonight. Just under a thousand fans are going over. So have a great time blues and keep safe. :)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 19, 2015, 06:10:39 PM
Have we even had a mention on SSN today ? Only 6 hours to kick-off . Fridge full of ale and Mrs Av on sarnie duty .Getting nervous now. :cheers:
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 19, 2015, 06:12:17 PM
Difficult to decide whether to pick Alcaraz or Stones.

Stones is just coming back from injury and to be honest in the last few games that he's played he has not always been very reliable.

Alcaraz did very well in the Newcastle game but against Kiev he did have a bit of a nightmare in the first half so if he was to play tonight, Kiev might target him as our weak link.

I'll let Martinez be the judge.

Stones should be picked without a doubt.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 19, 2015, 06:12:36 PM
Difficult to decide whether to pick Alcaraz or Stones.

Stones is just coming back from injury and to be honest in the last few games that he's played he has not always been very reliable.

Alcaraz did very well in the Newcastle game but against Kiev he did have a bit of a nightmare in the first half so if he was to play tonight, Kiev might target him as our weak link.

I'll let Martinez be the judge.
no contest for me stones all day everyday , alcaraz has a decent game and everyone thinks he should start.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 06:19:11 PM
Hate to say this but tonight really is a MASSIVE game.

If we go out it will be a nightmare.. nothing to look forward to but a battle to get to mid-table and see the Shite going for the top 4 and FA Cup.

I'd actually take a a result tonight over one at QPR.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 19, 2015, 06:22:33 PM
anyone know the actual yellow card count, is it just Rom and Naisy on 2 yellows (with the cut off after the qtrs.)........

just saw shoguns post #4

yeah not looking good
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 19, 2015, 07:15:11 PM
Rom should be able to avoid the yellow no problem.  This is indeed our biggest match of the season.  In a war zone.  NO PRESSURE LADS.

I have a feeling we are going to come good.  My feelings have no bearing on reality, though.

I have to drink enough to keep my nerves settled from 2pm EST through about midnight, but without passing out.  This is a mighty challenge for my 41 year old brain and liver.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 19, 2015, 07:22:14 PM
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/14/143fd56bfc61602db620cb066eb294d215e18e7f43547073fafdf592aa60b12d.jpg)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 19, 2015, 07:31:15 PM
I'm more nervous about this than I thought I would be considering it's a last 16 tie.

I guess that's because we've so rarely got past this stage (twice, even Dundee Utd have 4 appearances in a European 1/4 or beyond) and that it feels like a big game.

Classic name from the Soviet era, nearly 70,000 expected in the ground.

I think we can set up correctly to win this but it'll be interesting to see what we go with as we'd have assumed that Mirallas would definitely have played.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 19, 2015, 07:33:05 PM
I'd put mcgeady in from the start.





Spoiler: show
LOL


















Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 19, 2015, 07:38:28 PM
I'd put mcgeady in from the start.


Ha.

He did put in a very solid shift in the Wolfsburg away game though.

If he'd been fully fit, I wouldn't have ruled him out from starting in this - RM loves to quote experiences for occasions like this :)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 19, 2015, 07:40:19 PM
Ha.

He did put in a very solid shift in the Wolfsburg away game though.

If he'd been fully fit, I wouldn't have ruled him out from starting in this - RM loves to quote experiences for occasions like this :)

would like a wide man on the pitch, no lennon of course, so Atsu (second half?) or McGeady (fit?)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 19, 2015, 07:44:50 PM
would like a wide man on the pitch, no lennon of course, so Atsu (second half?) or McGeady (fit?)

Just don't know what he's going to go with.

Would have thought Barkley Naismith Mirallas before - don't think he'll trust Atsu to start and McGeady is being assessed for the bench so no chance of a start.

So we'll either have to go very, very narrow with Besic coming in; or Ossie (but will that be too much for him?) or start Kone. Again questions over physical capability.

If we go narrow I hope we play more of a 4-3-1-2, with the two splitting to provide width in the channels.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 08:18:41 PM
I fancy Kone to play and do something special... he's due to...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAd2BbTWcAAmr9v.jpg)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2015, 08:21:30 PM
If we go narrow I hope we play more of a 4-3-1-2, with the two splitting to provide width in the channels.

I really like that. It would be a good way to pin their full backs back and it just creates spaces for Ossie, Barkley or Naisy to slip into, and for Gibson to pass into.

Have a feeling we'll be positive, listening to the manager and based on the last week of football. Thank fuck we've got some genuine confidence gong into this. Will be a genuine achievement for a lot of our young players if we get through this, and the experience should really help them develop in the future.

Bricking it here like a little girl.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 19, 2015, 08:24:32 PM
every dog has its day,





Kone Dog will have his day
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 19, 2015, 08:38:17 PM
Can't wait til we get this out the way so we can get on with our relegation battle.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 19, 2015, 08:43:18 PM
Fancy Kone myself.

He's got something of a cult hero about him.

Could be a big goal in him here.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 19, 2015, 08:58:53 PM
Really like that pic - relaxed, happy, Cadamarteri (sorry - can't spell camerarderie)
 
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 19, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
I don't think Kone will score but I do think he'd be a good option here though. He has decent pace which would be useful and his ball retention is good. He just needs to be a bit more aware of the options around him.

I think Martinez will be keen to get Osman into the side however he can though.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2015, 09:03:41 PM
Yep, Ossie's a must for this game.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 09:09:05 PM
The Mail: Everton are England's last hope in Europe...
Here's five reasons why they can make it past Dynamo Kiev and into the quarter-finals of the Europa League:

1.Everton lead 2-1 after the first leg of their last 16 Europa League tie
2.The Toffees are in confident mood after winning their last two matches
3.Striker Romelu Lukaku has netted 10 goals in his last 14 games
4.Years ending in a five have been good for the Blues - they won the Cup Winners' Cup in 1985 and FA Cup in 1995
5. Roberto Martinez wants his side to play without fear on Thursday night

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 19, 2015, 09:35:42 PM
They just played Z Cars on Absolute Radio - It proper confused me where it was coming from!

The played it whilst asking if everyone would be getting behind us tonight as we're the last man standing. 
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 19, 2015, 09:47:32 PM
I think a lot of fans will be behind us tonight, we're not exactly hated like Liverpool.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 19, 2015, 09:48:57 PM
Everton have made the News section in the Guardian but the Football section is all about City & Wenger moaning and other such shite.....oh, hang on - Martinez wants late Sunday matches for those playing in the Europa/CL.

Not much considering he's the last one left is it?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 19, 2015, 10:01:27 PM
getting nervous here.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 19, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
(http://www.prettylilmudder.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/nervous-meme.jpg)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 19, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
Certainly getting to "twitchy bum" time now, I just hope we start as we left off in the first leg, but without the crowd to lift us I am not sure we will.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 10:26:02 PM
We simply HAVE to play for the win. Sit back and its got 1-0 defeat all over it..

COYB !!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 19, 2015, 10:42:34 PM
(http://s2.favim.com/orig/32/butterflies-in-the-stomach-butterfly-cute-love-lovely-Favim.com-258977.jpg)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 19, 2015, 10:50:57 PM
Anything could happen here

I'm not overly confident,but I never am!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 19, 2015, 10:54:55 PM
Think we've all only seen them once so don't talk with great authority on them but they struck me as a bit crap once we got going. They look to have 1 quality player the winger/playmaker who's name im not going to attempt and the rest are a bit rubbish. Honestly think we'll win comfortably tonight.
Their home record is great but looking who they played they are simply the tallest midget. Everton aren't a midget. We're unbeaten away playing better teams than them and much better teams than whove theyve played. 0 3
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 19, 2015, 10:58:15 PM
The stakes are just so big, and there's no second chance.  It's all about today.  Thank God for the boost in confidence from Sunday.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 19, 2015, 10:59:18 PM
Anything could happen here

I'm not overly confident,but I never am!

We all know what you want to happen here and we all know why!

Disgusting.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 19, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
We all know what you want to happen here and we all know why!

Disgusting.

I just think if we can come away with a 2-0 defeat we will still be placed well for the 3rd leg

Which reminds me, any news on when Distin is back?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2015, 11:02:31 PM
From their results alone, they do seem proper Jekyll and Hyde with the home and away scores, so i don't think we've seen them play to their potential at Goodison for one second.

Still think we can go through though. Might be a topsy turvy, emotional rollercoaster. For me, the game is in our hands, and if we put in the right, mature away performance and keep our focus for the whole game, we get through.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 19, 2015, 11:02:35 PM
Atsu starts!good luck Christian
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 19, 2015, 11:02:50 PM
EFC XI to face Dynamo Kyiv: Howard; Coleman, Alcaraz, Jagielka, Baines; Barry, McCarthy, Barkley, Naismith, Atsu, Lukaku. Subs: Robles, Stones, Gibson, Garbutt, Besic, Kone, Osman
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 19, 2015, 11:05:06 PM
not happy with alcaraz and maybe would of liked gibson in
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2015, 11:05:35 PM
So we're 4-2-3-1ing it. Would've liked to see Ossie, but hopefully he can still be important later on.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Danny on March 19, 2015, 11:05:35 PM
Think we'll tonk these.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 19, 2015, 11:06:06 PM
(http://s2.favim.com/orig/32/butterflies-in-the-stomach-butterfly-cute-love-lovely-Favim.com-258977.jpg)

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXuEN4-dbsk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXuEN4-dbsk#ws)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 19, 2015, 11:06:19 PM
Think this game will start bad fifa us but we'll grow into it and blow them away late on. 2-2 tonight.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 19, 2015, 11:07:27 PM
Barkley starts as does Alcaraz, atsu and Naismith.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 19, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
I just think if we can come away with a 2-0 defeat we will still be placed well for the 3rd leg

Which reminds me, any news on when Distin is back?

How you get away with this by hiding behind some nice guy Evertonian persona baffles me, I'm onto you and in time as the vail slips others will begin to see the truth.


Every real blue knows that Tripod is tucked up right now with Mrs Martinez.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 19, 2015, 11:08:31 PM
(http://s23.postimg.org/iattnusu3/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 19, 2015, 11:09:01 PM
Would have preferred to keep the Kone/Rom partnership going but hopefully the goal on Sunday will have given Ross some of his confidence back
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 19, 2015, 11:09:33 PM
Right team that.

Naismith on the left has worked in Europe.

Stones obviously isn't right at the moment. Supposedly lost a lot of weight, plus Alcaraz deserves a chance here.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 19, 2015, 11:10:29 PM
Not thrilled with that to be honest. Barkley and Naismith is a no no.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 19, 2015, 11:10:38 PM
This is the most unusual lineup of the season, in the biggest match of the season.  Let's hope it's genius and not madness!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 19, 2015, 11:12:16 PM
need to get through the first 20 minutes we were dreadful at the back and we struggled with crosses, alcaraz worries me totally as does howard  dealing with crosses into the box, key to me was lukakus interview after the first leg, he said we will have stones back for the 2nd leg so he was obviously unconvinced by alcaraz. lets get through whats going to be a very difficult opening.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 19, 2015, 11:13:29 PM
Would have preferred Gibson to keep his place as I expect us to be working mostly on the counter-attack and he's the man to throw the Hail Mary's.

Perhaps the pitch isn't worth risking his knee on however.

COYB
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 19, 2015, 11:14:13 PM
This is the most unusual lineup of the season, in the biggest match of the season.  Let's hope it's genius and not madness!
i agree seems a little unbalanced again, thought he addressed that problem sunday and now hes back to an unbalanced team
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 19, 2015, 11:15:18 PM
Let's face it the pressures all on them, if we hold it tight for 20-30 minutes or score early then they are going to start getting panicky and we can pick them off on the counter
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 19, 2015, 11:15:58 PM
Can't believe Stones hasn't come back in, not convinced by that line up myself.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 19, 2015, 11:18:29 PM
At work while this is on. ITV player on my phone it is.

ITV1 or 4?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 19, 2015, 11:18:33 PM
If there's ever a game to play dull, pedestrian, laboured possession football it's this.

Just frustrate them, quiet the crowd, and pick them off.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2015, 11:20:38 PM
ITV 4.

Yep, agree with Ram. Cautious start, and we've got a variety of options to change things if we need to. We don't wanna be too open and get blitzed in the first half hour.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 19, 2015, 11:22:35 PM
If there's ever a game to play dull, pedestrian, laboured possession football it's this.

Just frustrate them, quiet the crowd, and pick them off.



Not really the front players for that though.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 19, 2015, 11:26:27 PM
Can't believe Stones hasn't come back in, not convinced by that line up myself.

Obviously still not 100% after his bug, supposedly lost weight during it
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on March 19, 2015, 11:33:47 PM
If there's ever a game to play dull, pedestrian, laboured possession football it's this.

Just frustrate them, quiet the crowd, and pick them off.



Disagree, it always ends up inviting pressure on us.

I've got nothing wrong with possession but if it results in us always retreating it to the keeper then we end up looking prone to errors.

 I think we need to mix it up a little bit go more direct when we have the opportunity
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 19, 2015, 11:34:00 PM
Is one of the 8pm KOs on TV afterwards?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 19, 2015, 11:34:41 PM
one option for those far flung:

including all the build-up...

http://streams.tv/channel/101-itv4/soccer (http://streams.tv/channel/101-itv4/soccer)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 19, 2015, 11:35:03 PM
Is one of the 8pm KOs on TV afterwards?

Inter Wolfsburg
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 19, 2015, 11:35:48 PM
Think the line up will be more like 4-3-3 with Naismith dropping a bit deeper to a LCM position.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 19, 2015, 11:37:54 PM
Keep the ball then hit Atsu, Barkley and Lukaku when needed. I don't mind it at all.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 19, 2015, 11:38:45 PM
Just put 1 on us to win on pens.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 19, 2015, 11:39:55 PM
It's quite ambitious of Martinez to start Atsu for once in a game.

The team is ok but I would have started Osman ahead of Barkley - his experience would be vital and I always have a fear that Barkley will make a poor pass which launches an opposition counterattack. Otherwise I guess McGeady and Stones can't be rushed back plus we can save the likes of Gibson for the QPR game.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: eame on March 19, 2015, 11:40:26 PM
Just put 1 on us to win on pens.

spot in bud
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: eame on March 19, 2015, 11:40:40 PM
meant spot on
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 19, 2015, 11:41:14 PM
It's quite ambitious of Martinez to start Atsu for once in a game.

The team is ok but I would have started Osman ahead of Barkley - his experience would be vital and I always have a fear that Barkley will make a poor pass which launches an opposition counterattack. Otherwise I guess McGeady and Stones can't be rushed back plus we can save the likes of Gibson for the QPR game.

ditto
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 19, 2015, 11:41:22 PM
I never bet in favour of my team, I'm a deadly jinx.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 19, 2015, 11:43:01 PM
Martinez looks relaxed
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 19, 2015, 11:43:27 PM
I never bet in favour of my team, I'm a deadly jinx.

What about betting against them?  ;)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 19, 2015, 11:44:41 PM
"We're going to make sure we score goals"
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 19, 2015, 11:45:32 PM
one option for those far flung:

including all the build-up...

http://streams.tv/channel/101-itv4/soccer (http://streams.tv/channel/101-itv4/soccer)

Who flung dung........ta, nice one.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 19, 2015, 11:46:07 PM
Obviously still not 100% after his bug, supposedly lost weight during it

Good for him. I've always thought he's a bit fat.

Yup. Time for stupid/bad jokes. Happens to me every time I'm anxious.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 19, 2015, 11:47:10 PM
Itv player app crapping out for me! Bloody typical.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 19, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
I only usually get this nervous before derby games. It's only the last 16 as well. Think as has been said, we've stumbled here before...perhaps that's why.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 11:48:32 PM
That team has the look of the one that has been failing for months. Better players all on the bench... Stones, Gibson, Garbutt, Besic, Osman.

Clearly Martinez eyes are on the QPR game and tonight is just hope for the best...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 19, 2015, 11:48:46 PM
Need this done in 90mins
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 19, 2015, 11:49:41 PM
4/7 to qualify with Betfair.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 19, 2015, 11:49:52 PM
Betting against is ok, as long as you truly would rather lose the money and have your team win.

Usually I don't, because I suspect the universe is onto me and I will be punished accordingly.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 19, 2015, 11:49:54 PM
Itv player app crapping out for me! Bloody typical.

use the stream. near perfect   :thumbsup:

http://streams.tv/channel/101-itv4/soccer (http://streams.tv/channel/101-itv4/soccer)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 11:50:37 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAeiEIvUkAEOdWT.png:large)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 19, 2015, 11:52:09 PM
Made up to see atsu starting. Got a bad feeling here but I reckon we can squeeze through.

COYB!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 19, 2015, 11:52:44 PM
This ad break on ITV4 is taking the piss. Get on with it.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 19, 2015, 11:54:31 PM
Good luck everyone - off to watch it in HD !!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 19, 2015, 11:55:28 PM
Now the sound is out of synch with the picture. Fuck this!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 19, 2015, 11:55:33 PM
The video is lagging about 30 seconds behind the audio in both the Samsung tablet and the iPhone version of the app. Shite itv
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 19, 2015, 11:56:28 PM
Anyone onto Barkleys nose bleeding?

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 19, 2015, 11:57:42 PM
Oooh another break.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 19, 2015, 11:57:56 PM
FS1 TV and FoxSportsGo streaming in the US
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 19, 2015, 11:58:30 PM
Anyone onto Barkleys nose bleeding?

Just noticed that as they were about to come out. Nice touch having the EITC logo under the shirt numbers too
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 19, 2015, 11:58:32 PM
Come blues lets do these jarg Russians.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 19, 2015, 11:58:54 PM
Have a go on the sky go fellas.

Always avoid the itv player at all costs
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 19, 2015, 11:59:08 PM
did I just hear correctly and this is sold out with 70,000 attending? that is brilliant
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 19, 2015, 11:59:18 PM
Let's do this blues!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 19, 2015, 11:59:21 PM
Total confidence. Go on lads.............
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 19, 2015, 11:59:22 PM
Now the app has completely frozen. Jesus itv u have one fucking job!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 20, 2015, 12:01:20 AM
Now the app has completely frozen. Jesus itv u have one fucking job!

I'm getting an error message when i watch ITV4 but not any other channel. Fuck ITV
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2015, 12:03:12 AM
87 minutes to go...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:03:26 AM
They make some good noise, track around the pitch takes away a little something though. Looks a like a fair number of empty seats though.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 12:03:38 AM
Really, really nervous start
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:04:03 AM
Thats seriously poor from Coleman.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 20, 2015, 12:04:06 AM
Dynamo have started like a house on fire.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 20, 2015, 12:04:16 AM
Ok just dumped it and switched to sky go as ram suggested, seems fine. 
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:06:38 AM
a bit under the cosh here. these cunts are steeped in european experience. already holding on to my hat. coyb!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 12:09:24 AM
Barkley should maybe be releasing Baines but it's nice to see him having a go at goal.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:10:23 AM
Barkley should maybe be releasing Baines but it's nice to see him having a go at goal.

Pretty dreadful decision making had a couple over on the left and he drives it into the legs of a defender a couple of yards away
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 20, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Sky go working fine. Nice one lids.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 12:10:49 AM
We are playing as promised.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 12:11:18 AM
Atsu's being heavily marked but is doing well.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 20, 2015, 12:11:46 AM
Weird pitch this. Ball is holding up something rotten.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 12:12:08 AM
Better now, need some possession.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 12:12:09 AM
They will be again in trouble if we keep on pressing like this.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:13:12 AM
Not bad this.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:13:51 AM
Not bad this.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 12:14:18 AM
Naisy was a good pick, need his aggression..
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 12:14:37 AM
Barry the only one showing any composure so far.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:14:58 AM
Should have seen him through there atsu.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:15:16 AM
All this chanting Kiev, Kiev, Kiev...
Anyone else got a hankering for chicken?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:15:42 AM
Atsu is a couple of final balls/good crosses away from being a really good player for us. Just doesnt quite happen at the moment but think he could be great
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:16:46 AM
All this chanting Kiev, Kiev, Kiev...
Anyone else got a hankering for chicken?

haha. dee-na-mo keeps curing me :)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:17:15 AM
Close game. First goal (if it comes) could be huge.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 12:17:54 AM
I'm sure Ratcliffe sat behind me when I had my last season ticket, I never realised it at the time but the moaning and bitching is uncanny.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 20, 2015, 12:18:41 AM
Can't say I'm a fan of atsu.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 12:18:55 AM
Sorry but Barkley shouldn't be startng here..
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 12:19:52 AM
We need to slow it down and build an attack.

Everything is going forward too quick
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 12:20:14 AM
Fucking hell give Barkley at least more than 20 minutes eh.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 12:20:30 AM
Great news if Roma go out
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:20:40 AM
bollocks :(
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:20:44 AM
Fucks sake
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:20:49 AM
Sh*t.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:20:54 AM
Hell of a goal but oh fuck
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 12:20:55 AM
Fucking disaster
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 12:20:57 AM
Fuck. Now we have to score.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:21:13 AM
Fuck off. He looks like a right fucking weapon that yarmalenko.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:21:57 AM
Some goal to be fair

Twat
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 12:22:06 AM
How on Earth we didn't close him down? Where were our two defensive midfielders? Good strike though.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:22:18 AM
What a great goal. We are playing okay, creating decent situations but we're completely fucking up some relatively easy final balls.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 12:22:22 AM
doesnt change much, i think we all knew they would score tonight and we needed a goal.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 12:22:41 AM
Gave him time and space.. 

Awesome shot tho.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:22:54 AM
We don't seem to be pressing much any more
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2015, 12:23:11 AM
Gonna be some effort this
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:23:44 AM
Got to say tactically this isnt great. Its certainly nowt like what worked vs Newcastle.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 12:23:53 AM
no closing down, bit to much space in midfield barkley atsu dont cover a lot
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 12:24:05 AM
Good goal to be fair.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:24:27 AM
No touch from Atsu at all there
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:24:33 AM
doesnt change much, i think we all knew they would score tonight and we needed a goal.

It kind of does. We were winning by half a goal and now we are losing by half a goal. It changes an awful lot
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:25:01 AM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. .fuck

now at the other end. what a save...but caused by more fuck ups.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:25:22 AM
Ahh...so close.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:25:23 AM
Ahhhhh so fucng close.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 12:25:24 AM
Barkley very close
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2015, 12:25:29 AM
Fuck the post.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 12:25:32 AM
Well, I just scared the everloving fuck out of my cat.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: april on March 20, 2015, 12:25:52 AM
Good save by Tim.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:25:56 AM
Come on. Let that be a positive. Still in this.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
Worldwide from Howard.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:26:01 AM
Save that!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:26:01 AM
What the fuck defending is that shite?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 12:26:04 AM
Poor fom Alcaraz
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 12:26:08 AM
Should have clogged him before he got the shot away like they've been doing to us.

Hard luck Barkley. Save Howard........good match this.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 12:26:11 AM
That's a brilliant save
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:26:18 AM
Holy cow. That was almost another disaster. Save Howard.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Mr. Devil on March 20, 2015, 12:26:25 AM
Fcuk, I saw us hit the post and then the ad came up.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on March 20, 2015, 12:26:47 AM
Fuck off Alcaraz, nearly cost us twice in as many minutes.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
That would have been perfect.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 12:26:51 AM
Unlucky Ross.. fine margins.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 12:27:08 AM
It kind of does. We were winning by half a goal and now we are losing by half a goal. It changes an awful lot

i mean it doesnt change much in our minds, cos i think most knew they would score
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 12:27:14 AM
We've got these on the break if we just take a bit more care of the ball
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:27:16 AM
Can someone hobble Iarmalenko?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:27:54 AM
Good defending from Atsu. Fair play.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:27:58 AM
I'm officially reaching nervous wreck stage
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
to many attacking players on park for me, we only need a draw and martinez has gone all out to score, keep it tight and bring on attacking players if we go behind, we dont need to win, which is why starting eleven suprised me
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 12:28:30 AM
Screamer
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:28:32 AM
what a fucking goal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:28:34 AM
Get the fuck in!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 12:28:34 AM
Oh wonderful! Stunner!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:28:35 AM
Get in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 12:28:35 AM
He fuckin dynamite
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: april on March 20, 2015, 12:28:35 AM
Him again! Big Rom !
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:28:35 AM
Get the motherfuck in you fucking beauty
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 12:28:42 AM
What a fucking strike that is.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bally on March 20, 2015, 12:28:43 AM
Gerrrrrrrriiiinnnn
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 12:28:44 AM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:28:44 AM
Get in! Fuck yezagahhshdhchc
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:28:45 AM
Holy fucking cow!

A blinder!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: djws1788 on March 20, 2015, 12:28:46 AM
ROMELU!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 12:28:49 AM
Lukaku! What a beauty!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 12:28:57 AM
get in haha ignore me what a beauty
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Mr. Devil on March 20, 2015, 12:28:58 AM
Yeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssss
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on March 20, 2015, 12:28:58 AM
What a beast!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 12:29:01 AM
OMG ROM !!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:29:06 AM
Great to get that away goal. Let's get another...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 12:29:12 AM
Yesssss LUKAKU!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:29:24 AM
What a fucking hit. Im thinking about bumming him. He may see it as punishment rather than reward though
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: april on March 20, 2015, 12:29:28 AM
That was an even better finish watched on the replay. He placed it.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 12:29:32 AM
If we scored one more then Kiev need to score 2
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:29:37 AM

Get in! Fuck yezagahhshdhchc
This!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:29:44 AM
Half volley! Lovely. And we have hit the post. We are winning this.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 12:29:45 AM
FUCK.ING.YESSS
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 12:29:47 AM
Get the fuck in.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 20, 2015, 12:29:48 AM
What a ridiculous goal.

Player he is.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 20, 2015, 12:29:56 AM
I was just about to post that one positive is we will score a goal. Get in!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: curiouslemur on March 20, 2015, 12:30:04 AM
Christ, Rom. Talk about a change in confidence levels.

GET THE FUCK IN!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 12:30:06 AM
What a goal. Come on lads.......
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2015, 12:30:09 AM
Gotta love him. Fantastic player :)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on March 20, 2015, 12:30:20 AM
Worth every penny of his transfer fee that lad! Get in.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:30:25 AM
Come on!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 12:30:40 AM
I'm pretty sure we don't wanna know what the crowd was chanting at Rom.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 20, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
Yes Rom!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:30:53 AM
Jeez Ratters can hardly contain his excitement...........not
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 12:30:53 AM
Lukaku is worth every single penny of his 28 million, every single penny.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 12:30:54 AM
If we scored one more then Kiev need to score 2

4 edit. Oh sorry. They need to score 3 more. 4 in this match.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:31:04 AM
If we scored one more then Kiev need to score 2

If we score 1 more Kiev need 3
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2015, 12:31:05 AM
Great shot Ross. lol
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 12:31:27 AM
Love that Albatross
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 20, 2015, 12:32:12 AM
That's the worst shot I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:32:49 AM
getting better and better :)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:32:56 AM
God play again
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 20, 2015, 12:33:40 AM
if we can just be sensible at the back we should get counter opportunities, lets get another here!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:33:43 AM

That's the worst shot I've ever seen.

<Leon Osman likes this>
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 12:33:53 AM
If we score 1 more Kiev need 3

My mistake. Thanks.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 12:33:57 AM
God play again

Don't bring him into it.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:34:20 AM
ffs...........
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: april on March 20, 2015, 12:34:27 AM
This is some game.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:34:30 AM
Keepers?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 12:34:32 AM
Tim Howard needs to be fucking claiming that.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 12:34:40 AM
From our fucking cornerr
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:34:43 AM
Jesus fucking Christ
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 12:34:44 AM
How the fuck we just can't defend?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 12:34:54 AM
SHIT
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
awful
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
Really poor defending that is. Terrible goal.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:34:57 AM
Fucking disgraceful howard. Absolute shite. Come and fucking claim it you fucking prick.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 12:35:00 AM
Awful shape for our own corner.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:35:02 AM
Fucking mad game. Gonna be 5-5 at this rate.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 12:35:06 AM
Think this game will be about who has the least worst defence
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on March 20, 2015, 12:35:09 AM
Awful defending
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:35:15 AM
We are shocking at the back. Shambolic. An utter mess
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:35:25 AM
Is stones on the bench?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:35:28 AM

Tim Howard needs to be fucking claiming that.

Yep

Alcaraz again needs to take some share of the blame
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:35:34 AM
All that from our own fucking corner.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 20, 2015, 12:35:38 AM
alcaraz at fault for both IMO

edit: first wasn't his fault it was that close call howard save I was thinking of!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 20, 2015, 12:35:41 AM
My stream must be behind every one elses. Read it on here before it happened.

We can't defend.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 12:35:46 AM
Bad defending that.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 12:35:49 AM
Alcaraz for Stones has been a big call
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:35:59 AM

Tim Howard needs to be fucking claiming that.

Yep

Alcaraz again needs to take some share of the blame
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 12:36:01 AM
Just don't panic.

An equaliser is much more than that now.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 12:36:04 AM
Yep

Alcaraz again needs to take some share of the blame

He's been woeful tonight.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2015, 12:36:13 AM
Cock it. Alcaraz.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:36:23 AM
Just pisses me off that. Our own fucking corner.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:36:33 AM

Just don't panic.

An equaliser is much more than that now.

Another goal and we're through
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:36:43 AM
Oh for fuck sake
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2015, 12:36:43 AM
Awful
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: djws1788 on March 20, 2015, 12:36:44 AM
come on lads, that second away goal is crucial.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 12:36:45 AM
What the fuck is going on
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:36:47 AM
oh fucking no. 3-1
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 20, 2015, 12:36:52 AM
These are for the taking.  For all their qualities they are rash and naive. We just can't defend like that though.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:36:53 AM
Crap.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 20, 2015, 12:36:53 AM
Well that rules out extra time.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:36:57 AM
Ahhhh well. Alcaraz has been shocking.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: april on March 20, 2015, 12:37:04 AM
Exactly the same thing again, from a defence point of view.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:37:06 AM
AWFUL.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 12:37:07 AM
We can lose 3-2 and win
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 12:37:09 AM
I fucking give up already.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 12:37:11 AM
Gutted.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 20, 2015, 12:37:16 AM
What the fuck is going on
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 12:37:21 AM
Why can't we win a fucking header at the back
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:37:24 AM
Get Alcaraz off he's a shite liability.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:37:38 AM
Fucking embarrassing. Useless. If we go out tonight theres more than 1 or 2 that might be forced out on the back of it. Rightly or wrongly
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:37:40 AM
Just got to go for it now. Win it on away goals
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on March 20, 2015, 12:37:41 AM
Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:37:42 AM
Jags as well there
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 12:37:44 AM
I am trying to see patient here boys. I go from one room to the next and update this thread. I was jumping after the last patient and I am moping now. I am going to have a heart attack at this rate.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:37:45 AM
we still  need 1 goal to win it. won't give up yet.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bally on March 20, 2015, 12:37:50 AM
1 goal Everton that's all we need, come on.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 12:37:58 AM
typical alcaraz why he shouldnt be playing, our usual garbage corner from baines. alcaraz indecision cost us joke this now GET ALCARAZ OFF
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2015, 12:38:10 AM
Wow... Alcaraz
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: april on March 20, 2015, 12:38:19 AM
One goal is possible, but that means not letting any more in, and that doesn't seem as possible.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 12:38:23 AM
Another goal and we're through

Still true...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 20, 2015, 12:38:24 AM
Alcaraz having a mare
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 12:38:25 AM
Doesn't change much, still need a goal.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 12:38:29 AM
Shambolic that...............one goal and we're in charge. Ahem.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:39:04 AM
Cant win a header from a simple up and under. An absolute pile of shite here.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 20, 2015, 12:39:05 AM
There's no need to panic, plenty time yet, we'll score more. The back is the problem.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:39:05 AM
Can't see them not scoring another here.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 12:39:17 AM
fucking awful this
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Mr. Devil on March 20, 2015, 12:39:19 AM
We need another goal and Alcaraz needs to be shot just as the no. 6.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:39:28 AM
We're going to need to score two at this rate.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 12:39:38 AM
The whole back line is getting ripped to pieces here.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:40:04 AM
Lets be honest here as well. This lot arent very good.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 12:40:10 AM
We've been fortunate, apart from Heitinga's brief stint to have had fast CBs since Stubbs and Weir retired.

Alcaraz stands out like a sore thumb.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 12:40:30 AM
I think with the way our defense is we've no chance of winning playing like this. Alcaraz is having one of his bad days. Get him off.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:40:30 AM
at the mo i'd settle for getting to half time...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 12:40:44 AM
Stick Stones on.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 12:40:48 AM
Got to keep it at 3-1 and hope they get nervous later in the game.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 12:41:06 AM
Need to keep our heads and get to HT.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:41:28 AM
Gibson and besic at half time. Sure it up in the middle. Get Gibsons passing in the game.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:42:27 AM
Need Kone on. Need about 7 of these off though
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:43:28 AM
Alcaraz really does need to do one
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 12:43:45 AM
We need more than one goal to go through here
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:43:59 AM
Still not sure why we started with Atsu in our biggest game of the Season. And alcaraz, when stones is available.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:44:10 AM
To be fair. Alcaraz deserved to retain his place after newcastle. Having seen what I have tonight though, should never play for us again.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2015, 12:44:19 AM
One more goal and we're through though.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 12:44:24 AM
Alcaraz really does need to do one

yep. ship him and atsu off to the nearest salt mine at ht.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:44:33 AM

We need more than one goal to go through here

Technically no

But in reality yes
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 12:44:46 AM
as i said before we scored to many attacking players playing in a game we only need to draw, way to open tactically its all wrong, and as we all knew except martines alcaraz is shitttttttt
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 20, 2015, 12:44:49 AM
What the absolute fuck?!

Fuck off Everton

We've been this shit all season though.you don't go on to win a European trophy on the back of the season we've had

How utterly grim and predictable

I finally understand the phrase 'Everton that' now
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:45:21 AM
Considering we have to DMs on we are allowing them a lot of space in the middle.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:45:45 AM
Need to stay positive and build again. It wil come.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 12:45:51 AM
There'll be chances and goals in this for us, if we can stay with them.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 12:45:53 AM
We not going through are we?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 20, 2015, 12:45:59 AM
We're not really any worse off than at the start of the game.  We need 1 goal and not to concede any more.  Get Alcaraz off, and that becomes a little more likely.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 12:46:20 AM
Martinez has got it so wrong here
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 12:46:44 AM
its all down to alcaraz this we havent done to bad going forward, just that clown is dire end of
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:46:58 AM
Get gibson on so mccarthy plays more like himself
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2015, 12:47:08 AM
We've not been 3-1 bad. We can do this.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 12:47:11 AM
You do know Alcaraz is going to score the goal that puts us through.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:47:25 AM
We're not really any worse off than at the start of the game.  We need 1 goal and not to concede any more.  Get Alcaraz off, and that becomes a little more likely.

We were winning at the start of the game...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 12:47:51 AM
You do know Alcaraz is going to score the goal that puts us through.

hopefully he wont be on the fucking pitch next half
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:48:08 AM
We're not really any worse off than at the start of the game.  We need 1 goal and not to concede any more.  Get Alcaraz off, and that becomes a little more likely.

Seriously?? Wewere winning at the start of the game
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 12:48:49 AM
What RM does at the half is his last change to salvage this dreadful season.  Choose wisely.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Fern on March 20, 2015, 12:48:58 AM
Martinez has got it so wrong here

What you actually surprised?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:48:58 AM
Great from seamus that.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:49:24 AM
Why was baines not on that corner?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 12:49:30 AM
Martinez has got it so wrong here

By not claiming a cross? Or being able to win a header from a straight ball? May have gone over attacking but you can't blame him for poor individual performances.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 20, 2015, 12:50:17 AM
We were winning at the start of the game...

Yeah, I fucked that worse than Alcaraz.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:50:21 AM
Can't believe that. Hit the post and scored. Great going forward. Fucking clown at the back costing us.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 20, 2015, 12:50:23 AM
Ugh, that half.

Let's hope we get some chances in the second half.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 12:50:27 AM
i think the meltdown's come far too early on here like. We've had good chances, hit the post, and could easily be 3-1 up the other way.

Still all to play for.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 12:50:36 AM
Our corners... Even my dachshund could deliver 'em better.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 12:51:19 AM
Howard should have claimed for the second.

We are so annoyingly shite at the back.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 12:51:21 AM
It's bad conceding three to these.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2015, 12:51:32 AM
Grim that.
Alcaraz has had an absolute weston.
Four shots three goals for them.

We need a goal yes but can't see us not conceding again
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:51:46 AM
But coming a claiming a cross? Or being able to win a header from a straight ball? May have gone over attacking but you can't blame him for poor individual performances.

Hes picked them and most of the mistakes have come from players who are debatable picks

Hes got 135 minutes to save his job here. This is 1 shambolic performance too many. We go out like this people will be ready to erupt against QPR
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on March 20, 2015, 12:51:52 AM
Bad defending costing us, as it has done all season
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 12:52:13 AM
Shambolic defending this half but we are creating plenty of attacking opportunities. I don't think Alcaraz will come off and more likely Martinez will sub off Atsu and replace him with Besic to control the midfield more or Osman for another attacking dimension.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 12:52:15 AM
Threw away a great position by poor naive play and defending. Our luck has run out this time.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 12:52:19 AM
Stones is a must now but we look lopsided and Naismith has drifted in so much we've had nothing on the left tough call now.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 20, 2015, 12:52:47 AM
We have certainly got another away goal in us but we shouldn't be in the position to need another one. I'd sacrifice Alcarez and get Stones on and bring either Ossie or Gibbo on. Still think we can do this
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 20, 2015, 12:52:49 AM
Alcaraz off for stones...we cannot concede another.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on March 20, 2015, 12:52:59 AM
God Alcaraz has been trash, he has some good games for us... but most of the time he is dreadful
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 12:53:01 AM
Atsu looks tiny out there Alcaraz looks lost. Over to you Roberto.....

Still think we'll go through like.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 12:53:06 AM
By not claiming a cross? Or being able to win a header from a straight ball? May have gone over attacking but you can't blame him for poor individual performances.

we can because alcaraz is doing what we all know he would and fk things up. sooner have barry there than that fucking clown, hope he never kicks a ball for us again, hes always been shite and proving what a load of shite he is, martinez fault this poor tactics in a game we only needed a draw , keep it tight and throw on attacking options if we go behind, he better make some good decisions this half time.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 12:53:46 AM
i think the meltdown's come far too early on here like. We've had good chances, hit the post, and could easily be 3-1 up the other way.

Still all to play for.

Wheres the 3rd goal?? I dont remember a third chance. The issue is we are utterly shambolic at the back and its way too regular. Not good enough is an understatment. 1 useless performance too many for me. He doesnt learn and almost certainly never will
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 12:53:56 AM
To be fair. Alcaraz deserved to retain his place after newcastle. Having seen what I have tonight though, should never play for us again.

Newcastle had absolutely nothing up front.

No way that performance was meriting this start.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 20, 2015, 12:54:12 AM
We only opened them up because they were going for it after being behind from the first leg. They can now afford to tighten up and we'll have open up, which could play in to their hands.

Forget the actual defence for a minute. The defensive shape of our whole team is awful.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 20, 2015, 12:54:16 AM
What you actually surprised?

Oh welcome back, you were missed last week and on Sunday
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 12:54:53 AM
Wheres the 3rd goal?? I dont remember a third chance. The issue is we are utterly shambolic at the back and its way too regular. Not good enough is an understatment. 1 useless performance too many for me. He doesnt learn and almost certainly never will

Naismith blocked shot.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2015, 12:54:55 AM
At least no extra time whatever happens.

Like I said earlier in this thread about Stones in for Alcaraz, form is temporary.

We need Gibson on for sure. He'll give us control in midfield too.

Leave the final sub for later.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 12:55:54 AM
Shambolic defending this half but we are creating plenty of attacking opportunities. I don't think Alcaraz will come off and more likely Martinez will sub off Atsu and replace him with Besic to control the midfield more or Osman for another attacking dimension.

Midfield isn't an issue if we're letting goals from our corners or long punts up the middle.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 12:56:36 AM
Alcaraz did well against Newcastle and that's his main problem, he's too inconsistent and honestly should be let go at the end of the season as we need better.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 12:57:04 AM
Newcastle had absolutely nothing up front.

No way that performance was meriting this start.

Aye. 2 terrible sand unjustified elections tonight.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 12:57:40 AM
Didnt catch much of the first half were we shite
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 20, 2015, 12:57:55 AM
It's clear why Atsu hasn't had a look in...he's just a skinny version of Gueye.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 12:58:07 AM
Alcaraz did well against Newcastle and that's his main problem, he's too inconsistent and honestly should be let go at the end of the season as we need better.

but he was utter garbage against Kiev last week

that is what his deselection should have been based on
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: School of Science on March 20, 2015, 12:58:08 AM
Right that was a nightmare, changes at half time, Alcaraz off Stones( is he on the bench) on, Barry off Gibson on, we look all over the place. Sort it out Roberto.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 12:58:20 AM
Also naivety against Yarmelenko.

He's a very good player yet we're letting him have the ball in acres of space. 

We've had a whole season of the opposition paying special attention to Lukaku and Barkley so we know how debilitating that can be.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Fern on March 20, 2015, 12:58:22 AM
The warning signs were there cos contrary to popular belief (that Alcatrash played well Sun), he committed the following:
1. Clattered into McCarthy in the first 5 mins.
2. Lost his footing by bumping into Sissoko like a clown.
3. Missed the header in resulting corner, missed the clearance.
4. 2nd half grabbing hold of Sissoko and no where near a challenge and Siss nearly scored. 

He done well in one last ditch challenge but that's it! Champs 2 type player.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 12:58:49 AM
Didnt catch much of the first half were we shite

In parts yes, those parts have cost us this tie but if Barkley scored and Naismith did it'd be a different game but that's the game we 'love' eh.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 12:59:07 AM
Is Stones actually fit?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 12:59:42 AM
but he was utter garbage against Kiev last week

that is what his deselection should have been based on

That's my point Si, he's just too inconsistent to play at this level, doesn't help when you have walkabout Distin and an unfit Stones as the other options though.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 12:59:49 AM
If Stones is so weak after his illness he shouldn't be on the bench.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 01:00:11 AM
Tactically this has been awful.

We've approached this like the team a goal behind.

We've been getting killed out wide because Martinez is telling the widemen to push up.

The whole defensive shape has been abysmal.

Think the game could already be gone here. We're going to concede at least another goal
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 01:00:30 AM
What's frustrating is Distin is sat at home, if Stones isn't fit you can at least get some sort of strength from Distin.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 20, 2015, 01:00:38 AM
Every time I see that 2nd Kiev goal, it looks worse from our perspective. Sunday league defending there.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 20, 2015, 01:00:43 AM
Didnt catch much of the first half were we shite

Attacking we've been decent, defensively Alcaraz has been a shambles
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 20, 2015, 01:00:51 AM
Stones has to come on at half time.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:01:11 AM
Come on Everton. Just go out and tear em a new arsehole.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 01:01:31 AM
Drastic times need drastic measure for me, Stones on for Atsu and 3 at the back.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 01:01:39 AM
Were getting the ball forward too quickly and it's just coming back at us.

Try to dictate the play for a bit. They're going to drop off as the game continues
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 01:01:39 AM
Midfield isn't an issue if we're letting goals from our corners or long punts up the middle.

No but I think Martinez will be thinking about improving the attack rather than the defence.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 01:01:53 AM
Of course the game isn't already gone.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 01:02:02 AM
Come on Everton. Just go out and tear em a new arsehole.

Hopefully we've got the Stones to do it. Enjoy the second half chaps hopefully when I come back we're through :).
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:02:15 AM
Drastic times need drastic measure for me, Stones on for Atsu and 3 at the back.

wht and leave alcaraz on? fuck that
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 01:02:28 AM
Were getting the ball forward too quickly and it's just coming back at us.

Try to dictate the play for a bit. They're going to drop off as the game continues

I thought the lineup was made for us to do that, we are panicking and lumping it.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 01:02:43 AM
Also, Howard should see that we're vulnerable on crosses and take control by coming to claim them.

Instead he's rooted to his line and that creates the pressure.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:03:44 AM
What's frustrating is Distin is sat at home, if Stones isn't fit you can at least get some sort of strength from Distin.

And pace.

You can't play and open formation with 1 slow CB as he can't cover himself let alone anyone else.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheTone on March 20, 2015, 01:03:56 AM
still in the game, have to hang in there then with 15mins to go, throw the kitchen sink at these shirtless cunts
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 01:04:13 AM
wht and leave alcaraz on? fuck that

We've got no threat on the left because Naismith keeps roaming inside, gets us width and shred up the defence.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:04:13 AM
Stones needs to come in
Does Roberto have the balls though
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:04:49 AM
Come arrrrrrn.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 01:05:37 AM
Stones, Osman and Gibson for Atsu, Barkley & Alcaraz.

Has to happen sooner rather than later
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:06:21 AM
Damn it, Ross
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:06:51 AM
no changes?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 01:06:54 AM
Alcaraz has to come off. He's an accident waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:06:58 AM
Fuck sake alcaraz
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 01:07:33 AM
Loved Ratcliffe when I was young. He's coming across as a bit of a cunt on commentary.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:08:19 AM
As far as the tv camera location  is concerned - we are now attacking the  Gwladys street end - so I'm much more confident.


Sorry that's all I've got.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:09:06 AM
We could also bring on Gibson and move Barry to CB for Alcaraz
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:09:28 AM
As far as the tv camera location  is concerned - we are now attacking the  Gwladys street end - so I'm much more confident.


Sorry that's all I've got.

Let the fake gwladys "suck the goalsin" As kendall would say.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:10:00 AM
To the American commentators - fuck the mayor, fuck the President
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 20, 2015, 01:10:03 AM
This lot are shite. A bit of composure on the ball and we will score.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:10:29 AM
Shame mirallas isn't fit.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 01:10:29 AM
Seamus's dribbling has been Sunday League level this season.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:10:41 AM

We could also bring on Gibson and move Barry to CB for Alcaraz
True
Or even Robles - in fact anyone
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 01:11:52 AM
Alcaraz is a better midfielder than he is defender
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 20, 2015, 01:12:01 AM
Give Kiev credit they get so many balls into our box and they know we are weak at centre back. Not out of it yet. 
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:12:58 AM
We're doing that over passing thing again.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:13:12 AM
We will win. Not only the tie but on the night.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 01:13:55 AM
Should test that keeper more.

Kevin Kilbane is commentating on Irish TV and wants Gibson on for Barry.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 20, 2015, 01:14:19 AM
These officials are badly shite.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:14:38 AM
Motherfuckers
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:14:42 AM
Seamus's dribbling has been Sunday League level this season.

He needs to be moving onto the ball with pace.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 01:14:55 AM
losing  the will to live now :(
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: caliburn53 on March 20, 2015, 01:15:07 AM
oh fuck
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:15:09 AM

We will win. Not only the tie but on the night.
Not sure on that

Change it Roberto
Change it now
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:15:10 AM
Don't know why I said that. He made no changes. Roberto simply didn't go for it.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 01:15:17 AM
We don't deserve to go through.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 01:15:29 AM
Bye  bye blues. I'm embarrassed
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 01:15:36 AM
How easy to drift inside the left back was that?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 20, 2015, 01:15:44 AM
Absolute shambles.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:15:45 AM
Wide open again.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 01:15:55 AM
Time to go Martinez. Shambles. On the bright side Martinez has seen enough positives not to bother with any subs so far
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:16:19 AM
Fuck me absolutely embarrassing
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:16:20 AM
Kone, Osman, Gibson.  NOW.  I don't even give a shit who comes off as long as it includes Alcaraz and it's not Rom or Jags.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 01:16:37 AM
It's gone, lads.

No defensive shape whatsoever.

This has been one of the worst performances, from a tactical perspective, I've ever seen from us.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 01:16:39 AM
more to come at this rate :(
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 01:16:39 AM
Good night. Both of our centrebacks bottled this one.

Gung ho is the only option now for Martinez to save his job.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:16:41 AM
Martinez needs to fuck off. He's fucking killed this with shite tactics and team selection.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:16:49 AM
make a fucking change martinez
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 01:16:58 AM
Good night rapid Vienna
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:17:05 AM
The really annoying part is. They are not a 4-1 side. Its because we are defending terribly. Making them look good.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 20, 2015, 01:17:07 AM
On the plus side we only would've went out v the first decent side we played anyway. Getting twatted by these dogs proves that.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 01:17:07 AM
We have to score the next goal sometime in the next 20 mins, it's unlikely but not impossble.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:17:15 AM
Defensive shape is awful.

We're not controlling the game enough to be that open at the back.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 20, 2015, 01:17:20 AM
I think we might be done, really hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 01:17:31 AM
Time to go Martinez. Shambles. On the bright side Martinez has seen enough positives not to bother with any subs so far

Give it a rest you boring cunt.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:17:45 AM
And i thought arsenal were soft we are 10 times worse
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:18:05 AM
Questions have to be asked about whether we do enough work for situations where matches aren't going in our favour.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:18:11 AM
Kitchen sink time now - need to pressure the fuck out of them - make them defend their lead and there's a glimmer
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 01:18:18 AM
GOOD CHANGES AT Half time you tool , keep a defence thats been woeful and concede another woeful goal , fk off tool
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheTone on March 20, 2015, 01:18:27 AM
Martinez needs to fuck off. He's fucking killed this with shite tactics and team selection.

how can you blame martinez for woeful defending? our back line and barry are dreadful
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 20, 2015, 01:19:01 AM
Alcarez has cost us 2 if not 3 goals. As slow as a statue. why wasn't stones playing? Subs needed immediately!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:19:01 AM
They literally just breeze past our players with little effort
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: School of Science on March 20, 2015, 01:19:11 AM
4 goals and no changes is Martinez in a fkin trance ?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:19:33 AM
Have you ever known a manager so relucting to make subs?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:19:34 AM
how can you blame martinez for woeful defending? our back line and barry are dreadful

They're exposed?

It's not the first time it's happened?

He's picked those players?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:19:46 AM
how can you blame martinez for woeful defending? our back line and barry are dreadful

He's picked alcaraz.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:20:04 AM
soft fucking cunt
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheTone on March 20, 2015, 01:20:08 AM
Alcarez has cost us 2 if not 3 goals. As slow as a statue. why wasn't stones playing? Subs needed immediately!!!!

what about jagielka, equally to blame
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 01:20:17 AM
oh fuck. that deserved a goal.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:20:21 AM
Fuck me Barkley deserved that
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:20:34 AM
Again. So fucking unlucky from ross. Not our night could easily have been 4-3
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 01:20:34 AM
Give it a rest you boring cunt.

You dont think this is anything other than a shambles?? This lot arent any good and they look like they could score every attack. We've had too many games like this and being in the Europa has saved Martinez from real pressure. Best of luck to you if youre happy with this. Personally I thought we were terrible 1st half and then whats the point of a manager if we dont change anything??
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:20:34 AM
FUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK BARKLEY SO CLOOOOOOSSSEEE!!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 01:20:59 AM
sums it up that
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:21:10 AM
does that just show its not going to be our night? :'(
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 01:21:17 AM
Another post by Ross.. what might have been.. :(
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 01:21:17 AM
Fuckin hell how close can you go
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 20, 2015, 01:21:30 AM
That goes in they'd shit themselves and we'd go on to win.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:21:49 AM
Just not fair. That would have completely changed things.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on March 20, 2015, 01:22:06 AM
Terrible defensively, probably going to concede a few more but until then this isn't over.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:22:27 AM
If we score again it'll take a huge psychological shift to stop them scoring again anyway.

It's possible though as that's the point of away goals.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 20, 2015, 01:22:33 AM
No one can be arsed tracking back now
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 01:22:43 AM
Get stones on, go 3-4-3
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: caliburn53 on March 20, 2015, 01:23:03 AM
kone and osman on
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 01:23:03 AM
Still only need one to put them under serious pressure.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:23:21 AM
Why couldnt that have just gone in
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 20, 2015, 01:23:44 AM
We may score but I have 0% confidence that we won't concede again.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:23:51 AM
This is the team we should have started with.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:23:57 AM
They look like they can score at will unfortunately
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on March 20, 2015, 01:24:50 AM
Thankfully we can now focus on getting 4 more points to stay up.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:25:09 AM
We have had a couple of moments of individual brilliance, but have otherwise been garbage.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 01:25:29 AM
We need at least 3 to go in.

I can't believe what I'm watching here.

This is an unacceptable way to approach a game in which you're leading
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 01:25:37 AM
that is a poor decision
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 20, 2015, 01:25:55 AM
We lack real fight under martinez don't we. Never manage to sustain any pressure on an opponent
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:26:01 AM
Fuckme. The kone
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:26:16 AM
Thankfully we can now focus on getting 4 more points to stay up.

fuck off you
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ihatecollina on March 20, 2015, 01:26:31 AM
Typical, just typical everton
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:26:42 AM
Get gibson on. Pass pass pass.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 01:26:42 AM
Osman again showing some fight
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 01:26:51 AM
You dont think this is anything other than a shambles?? This lot arent any good and they look like they could score every attack. We've had too many games like this and being in the Europa has saved Martinez from real pressure. Best of luck to you if youre happy with this. Personally I thought we were terrible 1st half and then whats the point of a manager if we dont change anything??

I do. I just don't feel the need to continually say the same thing in a slightly different way in virtually every thread I post in.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:26:59 AM
Cmon rom. Get with the program sunshine. Got to be quicker.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 20, 2015, 01:27:17 AM
To be 4-1 down to this shower is criminal.

Sure, we've been unfortunate up top, but why make big unforced changes from a winning side going into our most important game of the season?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 01:27:26 AM
i wish ratcliffe would fuck off annoying twat
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 01:27:34 AM
They look like they can score at will unfortunately

Sad thing is that against us every single team on the planet looks like that.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:28:18 AM
Better football with ossie on.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:28:23 AM
We need a goal soon - keep pressing and there's a pen in this as well
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:28:25 AM
Good defending again.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 20, 2015, 01:28:26 AM
Penalty all day fuckin long!!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 01:28:29 AM
Penalty that surely.?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:28:31 AM
Poor from lukaku there
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 01:28:32 AM
If it wasn't for luck we'd have no luck at all.

Shame he hasn't learned anything - especially against a mediocre team like Kiev. Ah well, QPR just may be a bridge too far for the manager. Probably not like but who knows this season, not me.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 01:28:39 AM
I do. I just don't feel the need to continually say the same thing in a slightly different way in virtually every thread I post in.

Ive been quite jolly recently. This is shite though against a shite team. Individually, selection and tactically. Im just extremely disappointed. Kiev are a very average team and 1 of the Spanish or Italian teams will smash them
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: caliburn53 on March 20, 2015, 01:28:46 AM
blind ref
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:28:52 AM
Fucking hell every other commentator is 150% biased for English teams. We have our most successful captain and he's more the other way.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 20, 2015, 01:28:54 AM
Plenty of time to get 2 goals, they look like they've played their game.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Danny on March 20, 2015, 01:29:15 AM
i wish ratcliffe would fuck off annoying twat

The only good thing to come of us going out will be not having to listen to him put the team down endlessly.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 20, 2015, 01:29:53 AM
And take off Alcaraz for fucks sake
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:30:11 AM
Gaps there
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:30:16 AM
We might as well not be playing anyone in central defense.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 20, 2015, 01:30:55 AM
Why are people moaning about luck and fine margins?  Tonight's had nothing to do with that. We've been architects of our own downfall plain and simple.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:31:40 AM
Vagina
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 01:31:46 AM
Don't think Martinez gives a fuck about defenders. He seems to think if they score 6 we'll get 5.

Problem is we are not getting 2 yet.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:31:59 AM
Worrying thing longer term is that it's another porous performance away against a decent side.

RM's record at the other "top 7" sides is appalling bar the Utd win.

You have to be able to defend.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:32:16 AM
Has Alcaraz got some medical condition that means he can't head the ball. Or is he wearing lead boots?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 01:32:53 AM
Take the central 'defenders' off and just fuckin go for it.....too bad its not like hockey and you can take the goalie out.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:32:57 AM
Why are people moaning about luck and fine margins?  Tonight's had nothing to do with that. We've been architects of our own downfall plain and simple.

Hitting the post twice.

On another day they would have bounced in of probably.

We have defended woefully though however.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:33:03 AM
Why are people moaning about luck and fine margins?  Tonight's had nothing to do with that. We've been architects of our own downfall plain and simple.

Over a longer period this is the problem.

We "could" have been luckier today.

The fact is our defending is below standard.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 01:33:07 AM
a bit of credit to kiev. they look like scoring every time they go forward. calling them shite is a bit ott...however much it hurts.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: chang on March 20, 2015, 01:33:13 AM
Penalty that surely.?

For sure a foul anywhere outside the box ?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:34:42 AM
Take the central 'defenders' off and just fuckin go for it.....too bad its not like hockey and you can take the goalie out.

Come on, Timmy would LOVE to go forward for the last 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 01:34:48 AM

Over a longer period this is the problem.

We "could" have been luckier today.

The fact is our defending is below standard.

Well below standard

Why Alcaraz and not stones?  Stones is obviously fit as he's on the bench
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 01:34:57 AM
a bit of credit to kiev. they look like scoring every time they go forward. calling them shite is a bit ott...however much it hurts.

They are a very average team. Id be amazed if they put out an Italian or Spanish team
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:35:02 AM
Need 2 goals with 15 minutes left. At least get gibson on.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:35:11 AM
im proper in shock here, i actually cant believe it.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 01:35:19 AM
Nice one Tim
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 01:35:23 AM
That's a beauty
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 01:35:29 AM
fuck. game over. what a goal. bollocks.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bally on March 20, 2015, 01:35:30 AM
Fuck me sideways
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 01:35:32 AM
Worldy that
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:35:32 AM
That takes the piss.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:35:42 AM
Wow.

Forget it.

Don't know why I bother.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:35:50 AM
I'm done
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:35:50 AM
Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 01:35:56 AM
Shit tattoo though
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 01:36:10 AM
Need 3 goals with 15 minutes left. At least get gibson on.

Fixed it for you
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 01:36:16 AM
5 1. Hes got to go. Absoutely got to go. Doesnt learn a thing. Not a fucking thing. The mans a fool
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 20, 2015, 01:36:16 AM
Have barely seen McCarthy and Barry this game.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:36:21 AM
Thats me done. Its criminal to lose 5-1 to a team like kiev
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:36:28 AM
Nice one Tim

No cunt in the world is saving that.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:36:31 AM
And with that, I am not watching another second.  Time to watch some bad college basketball and do some angry drinking instead.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:36:53 AM
Letting in goals not on the break when you're 2 goals behind is appalling defending.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 01:36:55 AM
Holy effin' cow what a strike!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:36:56 AM
Besic for McCarthy
Don't see how that changes anything??
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:37:13 AM
hahhahhhh put a DM on when we need goals. Thats it, get out of the fucking club martinez
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 20, 2015, 01:37:14 AM
Ok it's time to reset the target here - I'm in 'avoid an embarrassing scoreline' mode. Looks like Martinez agrees.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 01:37:18 AM
Come on, Timmy would LOVE to go forward for the last 15 minutes.

Might as well stick him somewhere - he can't play goal.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 01:37:24 AM
Fucks sake we don't like Dynamo teams do we?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 20, 2015, 01:37:30 AM
I don't care anymore
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on March 20, 2015, 01:37:51 AM
What a goal.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:38:02 AM
Ok it's time to reset the target here - I'm in 'avoid an embarrassing scoreline' mode. Looks like Martinez agrees.

Is 5-1 not embarrassing?!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TSGun on March 20, 2015, 01:38:08 AM
Gets up at 4am to watch this. Note to self : idiot
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 01:38:39 AM
Ok it's time to reset the target here - I'm in 'avoid an embarrassing scoreline' mode. Looks like Martinez agrees.

Was too late for that 2 goals ago
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on March 20, 2015, 01:38:39 AM
Game over and season over now.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:38:46 AM
Its not a 5-1 game.

To lose 5-1 I'm sorry just takes the piss. This should never have happened.

Let martinez see the season out and sack him.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 20, 2015, 01:38:50 AM
He needs to go.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 01:38:57 AM
Oh well. There's so much to criticise about the whole of this game. Our corners well! I think I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:39:06 AM
Martinez is thinking of the weekend with that substitution.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 01:39:11 AM
This is an absolute fucking disgrace.

Totally unacceptable from Martinez.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 01:39:17 AM
turned into an embarrasement , gung ho martinez , only needed to keep it tight and he plays that side, tactically garbage, fk off roberto this game sums you up
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 01:39:23 AM
We probably could've done without them scoring a couple of worldies like. Ridiculous to blame Howard for either.

Oh well, all optimism and hope disappears once again. Gotta fucking prep for an interview now. Feel like shredding the suit.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 20, 2015, 01:39:28 AM
Not gonna spoil my night. They can all fuckinwell fuck off the fuckers.


Alehouse awaits............fuckin tarrah.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 01:39:29 AM
If only we could have trained on the pitch yesterday..
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 01:39:52 AM
Didn't like the team picked and I was right.

Too weak all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 20, 2015, 01:39:56 AM

Is 5-1 not embarrassing?!

Well. Yes it is I agree but six is the point where I personally enter denial.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on March 20, 2015, 01:39:57 AM
Martinez just simply hasn't got a clue...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 20, 2015, 01:40:06 AM
Ive been quite jolly recently. This is shite though against a shite team. Individually, selection and tactically. Im just extremely disappointed. Kiev are a very average team and 1 of the Spanish or Italian teams will smash them

You've been a positive ray of sunshine :) I agree with a lot of what you say, but you can't put the blame soley at the door or Martinez. The players have let us down.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:40:18 AM
PL form has been replicated here.

Too much faith is placed in confidence as the basis of successful football.

It's not.

Hard work and defensive discipline are what underpin all top teams.

Be hard to beat and your quality will shine through more often than not.

Lack organisation and any well drilled side will take points off you.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Danny on March 20, 2015, 01:40:27 AM
hahhahhhh put a DM on when we need goals. Thats it, get out of the fucking club martinez

Yeah, because were going to come back from 5-1 down.... putting on a DM and keeping it tight for the last 10 is best to try and not let in another goal now.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 20, 2015, 01:40:33 AM
Positives:

- It's on ITV4 so the nation haven't seen us humiliated in prime time
- No more Kevin Ratcliffe
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: caliburn53 on March 20, 2015, 01:40:38 AM
please don't use the bad pitch excuse
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:40:59 AM
You've been a positive ray of sunshine :) I agree with a lot of what you say, but you can't put the blame soley at the door or Martinez. The players have let us down.

Again?

He's all over the shop
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:41:01 AM
It's on lads!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 01:41:04 AM
fuck me. we've scored...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 01:41:07 AM
It's on
!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:41:09 AM
I just cant defend our team or manager tonight. One of the worse performances in a long time. To little to late
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 20, 2015, 01:41:10 AM
It's on!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:41:18 AM
Come on. 2 more! We are absolutely class!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 01:41:24 AM
That's how you tare corners
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 20, 2015, 01:41:25 AM
Too late
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: chang on March 20, 2015, 01:41:32 AM
Well the way I see it is that Everton have gone there and give it a go, been unlucky hitting the post etc, they go in different game bla, bla, bla.

Defensively it has cost us as it has all season, stating the obvious of course.

But what kind of annoys me more than getting thumped, is 5 corners not over the first man and three from Baines into fucking orbit................as we score from a corner!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: caliburn53 on March 20, 2015, 01:41:39 AM
consolation goal
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
yeh we did need to score robertoo 4
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:42:07 AM
PL form has been replicated here.

Too much faith is placed in confidence as the basis of successful football.

It's not.

Hard work and defensive discipline are what underpin all top teams.

Be hard to beat and your quality will shine through more often than not.

Lack organisation and any well drilled side will take points off you.



It's all gone a bit Wigan over there.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:42:12 AM
mentioning the shite in istanbul has tipped me over the edge into murderous fucking rage here
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Danny on March 20, 2015, 01:42:12 AM
That's Rom out the quarter final
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 01:42:21 AM
Too little too late. There you go, one decent corner and it's in the net. Played Jags.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 01:42:33 AM
You've been a positive ray of sunshine :) I agree with a lot of what you say, but you can't put the blame soley at the door or Martinez. The players have let us down.

Players a lot of us maybe wouldnt have picked today. If it was a 1 off you shrug your shoulders. Christ though weve had so many absolutely terrible performances this season. Still 2 in 8 minutes now. Cunts have given us some slight probably false hope
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:43:42 AM
Should have played him in.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 01:43:44 AM
Ohhhhhh

Big moment this
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 20, 2015, 01:43:45 AM
feel gutted for our traveling support, they deserved better than this
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 01:43:45 AM
One of the positives from tonight is that Rom has added yet another couple of million on to his fee.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 20, 2015, 01:43:55 AM
Turns out Alcaraz has played his whole career out of position.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:43:56 AM
Ossie the architect!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:44:15 AM
who scored?  just curious
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 01:44:23 AM
Need Baines to score here.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:44:28 AM
Gotta be Baines.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 01:44:35 AM
who scored?  just curious

jags
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Danny on March 20, 2015, 01:45:00 AM
That is fucking comical reffing the absolute cunt, they're way too close and then step up another 2 yards before he even takes it, joke.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 01:45:13 AM
fuck. that would have set up some finish.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:45:50 AM
The refs a fucking joke
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:46:04 AM
If someone had offered us 4 goals in the tie there's no way all of us wouldn't have predicted going through.

A defensive shambles is costing us.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 01:46:23 AM
Shit defending but had no luck in front of goal.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:46:25 AM
Hit post twice. But defended horribly.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 01:47:13 AM
Osman man of the match
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 01:47:45 AM
i wish they'd borrowed howard for a few of our attempts...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 01:47:50 AM
We not good enough to score 2 in 5 minutes. Not nough composure and resilience I am afrain








Now prove me wrong Everton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:48:07 AM
Will we have martinez out thread part 4 tonight
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:48:45 AM
If this game was a one off you'd put it down to bad luck.

The problem is we gift the opposition too many "must score" chances.

There have been a couple of great goals for them. But 2 of them have been down to sub standard defending.

These are the "fine margins" throughout the season. They're not luck, they're our fault.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 20, 2015, 01:48:52 AM
Alcaraz has helped so much in front of goal Martinez has decided to see if he can work his magic at the other end.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 01:48:52 AM
Fuck, this is demoralising. Even more than usual.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 01:49:15 AM
The refs a fucking joke

Hey, he wants to get out of Kyiv alive, you know.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:49:35 AM
In no way a scape goat - no blame his way at all. But Rom hasn't looked the beast of the last two games today. Clinical strike aside like
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pedrotheblue on March 20, 2015, 01:49:41 AM
Will RM accept responsibility for picking the wrong team???

Not a fucking chance!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:49:59 AM
We need someone on the coaching staff who can help msrtinez on the defensive side of the game. But he is poo.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 01:50:00 AM
Fuck, this is demoralising. Even more than usual.

QPR will be interesting after this
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:50:05 AM
Fuck, this is demoralising. Even more than usual.

What are your thoughts on Martinez BD and his continuation of Managing Everton?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2015, 01:50:09 AM
Will we have martinez out thread part 4 tonight

Think questions need to be asked again. Name another manager in world football that would pick alcaraz over Stones for the biggest game of the season?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blue slug on March 20, 2015, 01:50:16 AM
Even the commenter mentioned that martinez only knows how to play one way
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 01:51:09 AM
If this game was a one off you'd put it down to bad luck.

The problem is we gift the opposition too many "must score" chances.

There have been a couple of great goals for them. But 2 of them have been down to sub standard defending.

These are the "fine margins" throughout the season. They're not luck, they're our fault.

Even the great goals are down to players not coming out of the defensive line quick enough.

The problem isnt even that weve not been good enough defensively this season. The problem is Martinez seems to accept hes utterly clueless to fix it and goes more attacking and open as he just accepts we'll concede goals

If he doesnt believe he can fix it then how can we?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:51:10 AM
In no way a scape goat - no blame his way at all. But Rom hasn't looked the beast of the last two games today. Clinical strike aside like

Done his bit IMO.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 20, 2015, 01:51:32 AM
I just can't get my head around what's happened tonight. Haven't felt this bad in years.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 20, 2015, 01:51:55 AM
awful set up trying to play 'ultra attacking' from the get go against a good team like this. No consideration to defensive set up at all. So a amature
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 01:52:00 AM
Not good enough. As I said. Let him see the season out then get rid.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 20, 2015, 01:52:05 AM
Cmon two goals in two minutes
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Fern on March 20, 2015, 01:53:12 AM
It was all down to one thing people: the decision to play Alcatrash instead of Stones. Well done Martinez.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 20, 2015, 01:53:13 AM
Can't say we haven't created more chances.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:53:34 AM

Done his bit IMO.
Absolutely - just thinking the last two games he was immense and almost dragged us through on his own. We've missed that today. Not that we haven't got another 10 players to do that though and it'd be wrong to pin all that on his young shoulders every game. Just an observation is all
Title: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Django on March 20, 2015, 01:53:40 AM
My heads fell off here. What the fuck was that defending all about?

How on earth Antolin Alcaraz is still getting a game for us is beyond me. I'd rather have Sylvain Distin in there if Stones isn't fit.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 01:53:53 AM
What are your thoughts on Martinez BD and his continuation of Managing Everton?

I don't know mate. I'm so dejected that somebody could walk in and punch me in the face and I wouldn't even react. Probably not in the right frame of mind to answer the question.

This was in our hands at 1-1, completely in our hands.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 20, 2015, 01:54:22 AM
This is diabolical. It's one thing going out of the tournament but it's the nature you do it by and this is nothing short of shambolic.

Right up there with Bucharest.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 01:54:25 AM
The only foul Alcaraz has committed is from a throw in the useless twat
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on March 20, 2015, 01:55:34 AM
Booooooo. Shambles of a club. Roll on 4 more points
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Brownie on March 20, 2015, 01:55:54 AM
Glad I missed it now.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pedrotheblue on March 20, 2015, 01:55:57 AM
Alcaraz completely unsettled the back four, ducking joke of a centre back.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Danny on March 20, 2015, 01:56:12 AM
Ultimately he's a young manager and sometimes in football you can't learn something over a few weeks, it takes longer to settle down. If we stay up and alter the squad a bit I think we'll storm the start of next season and be back where we belong but if we just sack Martinez now I can see us becoming a more permanent fixture in the bottom half.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: ihatecollina on March 20, 2015, 01:57:03 AM
Wankers
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 20, 2015, 01:57:26 AM
This is diabolical. It's one thing going out of the tournament but it's the nature you do it by and this is nothing short of shambolic.

Right up there with Bucharest.

Worse, far more at stake here and he's gave us no chance with that team selection, defensive setup and dogshit all-round system. He's reverted back to the shite that's been getting us beat all season and we've been destroyed by a poor outfit.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2015, 01:57:28 AM
Alcaraz completely unsettled the back four, ducking joke of a centre back.

Agree but I don't think Howard helps either, made a couple of decent saves but his commanding of the box is terrible and I think we drop too deep as they know he ain't coming anyway
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Fern on March 20, 2015, 01:57:30 AM
Massive game Sun now. I just hope they haven't lost their heads because if Hull, Villa and Sunderland get results as I expect, we're in big trouble...again.   
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bally on March 20, 2015, 01:57:31 AM
Phenomenal!!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 20, 2015, 01:57:36 AM
Only positive from that is Barkley looks like he coming back into form
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 20, 2015, 01:58:11 AM
This is an absolutely disgraceful result and everybody has a right to be pissed off.

However, make sure that doesn't transcend into an excuse for abusing other posters.

Respect eachother's opinions.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 01:58:22 AM
This is diabolical. It's one thing going out of the tournament but it's the nature you do it by and this is nothing short of shambolic.

Right up there with Bucharest.

Once we equalised it should have been 1-1 at half time. Put the pressure on them.

To let 2 goals in in that time is embarrassing.

We're supposed to be a top team with several players worth 15m+ that was an appalling display.

Anything other than a win vs QPR is going to raise huge pressure and questions.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pedrotheblue on March 20, 2015, 01:58:28 AM
All this bullshit about taking time to learn from your mistakes is just that, complete bullshit. If stones is fit he has to start.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2015, 01:58:29 AM
That's me done, I've stuck by martinez but I'm out
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 20, 2015, 01:58:57 AM
Right girls and boys,
That's me done
I'm deflated and gutted beyond belief and am likely to be an argumentative sod for a few hours, so I'm off.
Be cool, with or without our manager or a certain defender, we'll compete again another day. From one upset blue to all you others - night - and chins up
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 01:59:02 AM
This is an absolutely disgraceful result and every has a right to be pissed off.

However, make sure that doesn't transcend into an excuse for abusing other posters.

Respect each other's opinions.

Still up for keeping him?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 01:59:04 AM
No Europe next season and a terrible performance tonight especially defensively. Positives to be taken? I'm not sure there is any. We had the whole country watching and played like amateurs at times. We did a bit of a Chelsea at home there.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:00:02 AM
Agree but I don't think Howard helps either, made a couple of decent saves but his commanding of the box is terrible and I think we drop too deep as they know he ain't coming anyway

I disagree, mainly because I think Robles got away with quite a lot in most of his clean sheets.

But if I'm 100% wrong, who's picking him?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bally on March 20, 2015, 02:00:04 AM
Alcaraz makes me want Joey Yobo back
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 02:00:05 AM
Martinez let the players down tonight.

He's got a lot to answer for with how he approached that game tonight.

If we were a goal behind in the tie then I could accept that.

But to set out like that being a goal ahead is just unacceptable. Yes, Alcaraz was poor. But the whole shape of the team was an absolute mess.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Django on March 20, 2015, 02:00:38 AM
To be fair to the players tonight they all gave their all. The tactics and first 11 is what let us down.

You simply cannot go all out attacking away from home and especially when you're choosing to play Barry and Alcaraz through the middle,  you are just asking to get caught out.

Howard was farcical positionally for the two long range strikes. He's got to be getting nearer to them.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:00:41 AM
Ultimately he's a young manager and sometimes in football you can't learn something over a few weeks, it takes longer to settle down. If we stay up and alter the squad a bit I think we'll storm the start of next season and be back where we belong but if we just sack Martinez now I can see us becoming a more permanent fixture in the bottom half.

Whats he learnt so far? Its nothing for me. Is anyone confident we wont start next season with Tim Howard in goal whos been easily the worst keeper in the league?? Or with 2 defensive midfielders and yet strangely a massive gap between defence and midfield?? Or belief that possession with our keeper is better than actually throwing some balls into a box and trying to win the second ball?? Or with Naismith playing as a winger??

Its been a shambolic season and hes been completely in denial. Im not the least bit confident he even knows what any of the problems are
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 20, 2015, 02:00:44 AM
It was all down to one thing people: the decision to play Alcatrash instead of Stones. Well done Martinez.

Stones has been fucking sick and suffered weight loss. He would have been susceptible to having a bad game tonight. The bigger issue is why he hasn't brought Distin back into the fold. Guarantee 2 of their goals wouldn't have happened had Sylvain been playing
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:01:01 AM
Alcaraz makes me want Joey Yobo back

Yobo is far, far a better player than Alcaraz.

To even consider him at the same level is way out.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 20, 2015, 02:01:08 AM
Still up for keeping him?

Reluctantly, yes.

The other options scare the shit out of me and I don't think I could care for us if another Moyes was appointed.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 02:01:13 AM
That team has the look of the one that has been failing for months. Better players all on the bench... Stones, Gibson, Garbutt, Besic, Osman.

Clearly Martinez eyes are on the QPR game and tonight is just hope for the best...

As I thought. That team had the look of the ones that have been so shit all season and so it proved again.

If the reason was to save the right team for QPR, then it had better work.

I am sick as I would rather have got a result tonight and hope for the best in the league game...  :headbang:
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 02:02:31 AM
Let him get us safe since he's good at that for the first few seasons but after that he needs to go so we can get a new manager in with enough time to get settled and access everything that is wrong with this shambles of a team. So much dead wood in Barry, Alcaraz, Howard, Distin, Kone (Not his fault but still).
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:02:33 AM
did he actually say he hadnt come for a 0-0?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Django on March 20, 2015, 02:02:47 AM

Stones has been fucking sick and suffered weight loss. He would have been susceptible to having a bad game tonight. The bigger issue is why he hasn't brought Distin back into the fold. Guarantee 2 of their goals wouldn't have happened had Sylvain been playing

This 100%. If Stones was fully fit he'd of been playing. The bigger question is definitely why Alcaraz is ahead of Distin in the pecking order. I've never seen Distin play that shambolic before. It's not even the first time Alcaraz has done that this season.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2015, 02:02:48 AM
So for me this was the last glimmer of light, season has been a right off and now we've been thumped by an average team. I'm struggling to defend him, and actually don't want to!
Tactically inept again, yes he's a very nice bloke, but he's simply not good enough and he will take us down, if not this season but next.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 02:02:57 AM
did he actually say he hadnt come for a 0-0?

yes, before the game
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bally on March 20, 2015, 02:03:33 AM
Yobo is far, far a better player than Alcaraz.

To even consider him at the same level is way out.
and as I said I'd rather Yobo than Alcaraz and I fuckin despised Yobo
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:03:52 AM
yes, before the game

to me thats unforgivable
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 02:03:55 AM
Reluctantly, yes.

The other options scare the shit out of me and I don't think I could care for us if another Moyes was appointed.

Weren't you saying if we go out of the EL, that would change your mind about keeping him?

And he's had the mare of all mares tonight. Words fail me really as to how spectacularly misguided that was.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 20, 2015, 02:03:55 AM
That reminded me of last seasons anfield derby
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:04:09 AM
Ultimately he's a young manager and sometimes in football you can't learn something over a few weeks, it takes longer to settle down. If we stay up and alter the squad a bit I think we'll storm the start of next season and be back where we belong but if we just sack Martinez now I can see us becoming a more permanent fixture in the bottom half.

Unless he isn't actually very good.

He'll still be here at the start of the season and I'm just about on the side of thinking that's fair.

But there's a huge catalogue of this type of performance this season which shows almost no ability to learn and amend what's been going wrong.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 02:04:33 AM
to me thats unforgivable

I think it was the right approach for this Everton team

there was no way in hell we were keeping a clean sheet tonight

or this season
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:04:49 AM
Martinez let the players down tonight.

He's got a lot to answer for with how he approached that game tonight.

If we were a goal behind in the tie then I could accept that.

But to set out like that being a goal ahead is just unacceptable. Yes, Alcaraz was poor. But the whole shape of the team was an absolute mess.



Hes actually conceded that his teams cant defend before we kicked off. Weve got some top class defensive players and he conceded we had zero chance of a clean sheet so better play some daft open system.

If he accepts a Martinez team cant defend and he cant fix it then how can anyone think he can fix this. Even he doesnt think he can



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Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 20, 2015, 02:04:59 AM
Weren't you saying if we go out of the EL, that would change your mind about keeping him?

And he's had the mare of all mares tonight. Words fail me really as to how spectacularly misguided that was.

I don't know what to think at this point to be perfectly honest mate.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:05:27 AM
I think it was the right approach for this Everton team

there was no way in hell we were keeping a clean sheet tonight

or this season

0-0 and we go through, what does it say to the players that he basically saying we are defo going to concede?!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 02:05:34 AM
Alcaraz makes me want Joey Yobo back

He makes me want Titus Bramble
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 02:05:38 AM
Unless he isn't actually very good.

He'll still be here at the start of the season and I'm just about on the side of thinking that's fair.

But there's a huge catalogue of this type of performance this season which shows almost no ability to learn and amend what's been going wrong.

I still think pre-season has a LOT to do with this

He set up to play a certain way and the player's weren't fit enough, but he hasn't got it in him to change it immediately

We will see a different Everton next season under Martinez
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2015, 02:05:54 AM
This 100%. If Stones was fully fit he'd of been playing. The bigger question is definitely why Alcaraz is ahead of Distin in the pecking order. I've never seen Distin play that shambolic before. It's not even the first time Alcaraz has done that this season.

Distin or Barry as centre back would be preferable to Alcaraz, actually playing with 10 would probably be better as at least you wouldn't have the worry of him being on the pitch
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 20, 2015, 02:06:18 AM
No European distractions next season, what a boost!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 02:06:27 AM
that was wigan tactics from robertoo, shockibg tactics imo, a game we needed a draw and he goes all out , playing alcaraz was a disgrace, we all knew he wasnt upto it yet a manager on millions a year cant see what the average man on the street can see, when team is posted, look how many people were worried about alcaraz? so why cant our manager see the obvious, yes we could of had 4 or 5 ourselves but we didnt need that we needed a tight performance defensively, he said hes not going there for a 0-0 well im sorry that would of seen us through, he put all his hopes on scoring an away goal and forgot to set us up to stop them scoring, dreadful from martinez he was a s bad as alcaraz
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 02:06:37 AM
Whats he learnt so far? Its nothing for me. Is anyone confident we wont start next season with Tim Howard in goal whos been easily the worst keeper in the league?? Or with 2 defensive midfielders and yet strangely a massive gap between defence and midfield?? Or belief that possession with our keeper is better than actually throwing some balls into a box and trying to win the second ball?? Or with Naismith playing as a winger??

Its been a shambolic season and hes been completely in denial. Im not the least bit confident he even knows what any of the problems are

If it took him til the Kiev home game from the fans that were booing the team to change it then he HAS to go, he's a moron who clearly does not learn quick enough to be a top manager.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 02:06:41 AM
0-0 and we go through, what does it say to the players that he basically saying we are defo going to concede?!

the players knew they wouldn't keep a clean sheet, they're not stupid (well, not that stupid)

to put that pressure on them not to concede would have been suicide, which, as it turns out, so was the other approach
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 20, 2015, 02:07:24 AM
Thought it was really mostly down to Barry and Alcaraz that, especially Alcaraz. He's just not good enough. Hate to beat the Moyes drum but can't see him getting in the team for this game under him nor can I see him condoning the way he drifts off the back line and puts so much pressure on Jags and the other defenders.

Once their 2nd and 3rd go in it its all confidence for Kyiv and we've got to open up to try to get back in.

Maybe stones isn't fit enough to start this match but what happened with Distin? We really needed a unit like him to deal with their aerial threat. It wasn't hard to predict with all this regarding the pitch that we'd need to defend in the air.

It maybe is harsh to blame Barry since Iarmolenkos goal was pure class but was he really the right choice to be playing against him?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Django on March 20, 2015, 02:07:34 AM

Distin or Barry as centre back would be preferable to Alcaraz, actually playing with 10 would probably be better as at least you wouldn't have the worry of him being on the pitch

We've all seen Barry at centre half against Hull. I wouldn't wish that on anyone again.

The worrying thing is that they didn't possess much pace at all apart from Yarmolenko or whoever the fuck he is. Yet they still managed to get in behind us time an time again.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 02:07:42 AM
No European distractions next season, what a boost!
yeh we can concentrate on big games like leeds or wolves
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 02:07:59 AM
to me thats unforgivable

How so.

If had set up all defensively and we lose 1-0, everybody on here sould say we NSNO and SOS. We should attack, not park the bus. Would rather lose 4-1 than lose 1-0 etc etc.

He plays to win, we had our chances. Our big, experienced players bottled it again. They always do.

Jags bottles the big occasions, Alcaraz not good enough, Howard a shambles, barry bottled it, baines too.

We need those players to come through. They haven't all season.

it's either Martinez to go, or the experienced players above.

I would keep Roberto.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 02:08:39 AM
There's such a thing as in game management though. Get to 1-1 and then you reorganise. We've picked teams off on the counter before, quite successfully. Cannot fathom for one moment why we wouldn't do that again at 1-1.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:09:22 AM
Reluctantly, yes.

The other options scare the shit out of me and I don't think I could care for us if another Moyes was appointed.

The lack of options has kept him safe imo.

If there was an "obvious" candidate to come in the pressure would be huge.

A "Moyes" on an upward curve - before he'd been weighed down by experience - would be a very obvious choice.

There isn't one though so he's hanging on by his finger nails.

I don't think that's he's got no clue - you don't get 6 years at PL level without being at least competent. 

But there are huge questions over his base understanding and abilities.

You have to have the correct foundations in your play to succeed.

He neglected them at Wigan and he's neglecting them here.

He has to learn what is needed otherwise there's is almost 0% chance he'll ever here by January.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 20, 2015, 02:10:09 AM
Stones apparently lost a lot of weight during his recent illness, but his excrement might have stayed in position better than Alcaraz.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:10:19 AM
How so.

If had set up all defensively and we lose 1-0, everybody on here sould say we NSNO and SOS. We should attack, not park the bus. Would rather lose 4-1 than lose 1-0 etc etc.

He plays to win, we had our chances. Our big, experienced players bottled it again. They always do.

Jags bottles the big occasions, Alcaraz not good enough, Howard a shambles, barry bottled it, baines too.

We need those players to come through. They haven't all season.

it's either Martinez to go, or the experienced players above.

I would keep Roberto.

BUT it looks like Martinez wants to keep Barry and Howard?? What if we line up in August with these 2 in the team?? Hes not looking to change. Apparently Howard has been great this season according to Martinez
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 02:10:34 AM
Reluctantly, yes.

The other options scare the shit out of me and I don't think I could care for us if another Moyes was appointed.

That where I am, too.  But I don't have much hope or optimism at the moment.  We're probably fucked either way.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 20, 2015, 02:10:40 AM
to me thats unforgivable

The way he put it accross was if we setup not to concede we'd get twatted...so we setup to attack (I think) and get twatted. He's a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:10:58 AM
How so.

If had set up all defensively and we lose 1-0, everybody on here sould say we NSNO and SOS. We should attack, not park the bus. Would rather lose 4-1 than lose 1-0 etc etc.

He plays to win, we had our chances. Our big, experienced players bottled it again. They always do.

Jags bottles the big occasions, Alcaraz not good enough, Howard a shambles, barry bottled it, baines too.

We need those players to come through. They haven't all season.

it's either Martinez to go, or the experienced players above.

I would keep Roberto.

ive said why in reply to Si, if i heard my manager saying he isnt coming for a 0-0 when that would take us through, id shit myself because he didnt believe i could do my job as a defender. Its awful management. And like BD says, ok get a goal, then change the fucking tactics, tighten up etc.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:12:33 AM
I still think pre-season has a LOT to do with this

He set up to play a certain way and the player's weren't fit enough, but he hasn't got it in him to change it immediately

We will see a different Everton next season under Martinez

Unless he realises that confidence isn't the be all and end all - we'll always be vulnerable to big dips in results and runs like we've had.

And that will ultimately cost him his job.

You need to be able to defend and weather drops in confidence. So you can pick up points somehow if your players aren't pulling worldies out the bag every other week.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2015, 02:12:36 AM
ive said why in reply to Si, if i heard my manager saying he isnt coming for a 0-0 when that would take us through, id shit myself because he didnt believe i could do my job as a defender. Its awful management. And like BD says, ok get a goal, then change the fucking tactics, tighten up etc.

Couldn't agree more, I honestly don't think he could arrange a piss up in a brewery!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 02:12:39 AM
ive said why in reply to Si, if i heard my manager saying he isnt coming for a 0-0 when that would take us through, id shit myself because he didnt believe i could do my job as a defender. Its awful management. And like BD says, ok get a goal, then change the fucking tactics, tighten up etc.

You can't go to a game saying we want a 0-0, they score and the team is lost. yes he needed to change things but Howard made a poor mistake, Alcaraz made another, we hit the post twice and they scored 2 amazing goals.

I mam angry too but the players have to take the blame too, they experienced pro's, they should be better.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 02:13:08 AM
We could all agree for Martinez to leave but do you honestly see Kenwright sacking him or Martinez leaving?, as I personally can't. I genuinely think we'll be stuck with him for a few seasons yet so we should get used to this.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:13:25 AM
ive said why in reply to Si, if i heard my manager saying he isnt coming for a 0-0 when that would take us through, id shit myself because he didnt believe i could do my job as a defender. Its awful management. And like BD says, ok get a goal, then change the fucking tactics, tighten up etc.

Totally agree. Hes conceded before kick off that his teams cant defend. Martinez has no faith in his own teams defensively and seems knows hes not even capable of trying to fix it. Its staggering. If he doesnt think he can fix than how can any of us back him
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 02:13:40 AM
ive said why in reply to Si, if i heard my manager saying he isnt coming for a 0-0 when that would take us through, id shit myself because he didnt believe i could do my job as a defender. Its awful management. And like BD says, ok get a goal, then change the fucking tactics, tighten up etc.

or he could have told them he was preparing the type of goal that the fifth was, a worldy from out of nowhere, which they are more than capable of

Moyes used to go for 0-0's and get beat every single time
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 02:13:40 AM
There's such a thing as in game management though. Get to 1-1 and then you reorganise. We've picked teams off on the counter before, quite successfully. Cannot fathom for one moment why we wouldn't do that again at 1-1.

We ABSOLUTELY had to get a goal.  To play like we could get out of there nil-nil because we had a goal lead in hand would have been the height of madness.  But BD is right, we had to take charge once that happen, not shit ourselves and then panic.  I don't get why Osman wan't on the pitch all the way to keep our nerve and quarterback us a bit (to be an ugly American about it).
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 02:13:47 AM
BUT it looks like Martinez wants to keep Barry and Howard?? What if we line up in August with these 2 in the team?? Hes not looking to change. Apparently Howard has been great this season according to Martinez

Let's give him time frst, now is not the time to be changing managers.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 02:14:00 AM
On the plus side, we looked quite a positive team and created quite a few chances, Barkley must have hit the bar twice plus Lukaku had a couple of decent opportunities. Osman really does make a difference and provides a spark when he is on the field, I just wish he had started the game.

I don't blame Martinez for starting Alcaraz as he had done well against Newcastle plus John Stones is just coming back from injury and Distin is probably injured again or something. But what a fucking nightmare of a game he had, I just pray that Stones will be fit and raring to go by Sunday.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 02:14:36 AM
Ah well, considering how shite we've been all season we're lucky we've had the Europa to enjoy until mid-March..  Imagine how bad it would've been if we'd gone out in the group stage !

All that can save Martinez now is bringing in a top defensive coach who can get him to change his style.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Nick on March 20, 2015, 02:14:50 AM
Never thought 2-1 would be enough of a lead to take to Kiev.  We should've won by more last week.

That said, some of the defending tonight was comical.  They took advantage and scored some great goals...some were quite frankly unstoppable imho.

Thought Barkley went well.  Very unlucky not to score.  That second effort was superb.  The one off his left wasn't bad either.  Some nice touches too.  Looks to be playing himself back into some good form which bodes well for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 20, 2015, 02:14:56 AM
Martinez says Kiev had a phenomenal performance
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: School of Science on March 20, 2015, 02:15:06 AM
Only positive from that is Barkley looks like he coming back into form

Thought he was the one shining light of our game, especially in the second half, though I bet he will still have people slagging him off. One other thing, those fkin corners were a disgrace, one or two of them had snow on when they came down. Baines took one decent one all night and we scored off it. Never want to see Alcaraz in an Everton shirt again, we were bullied throughout, Dynamo done there homework and just floated the ball in the box, they won everything that mattered and our goalie just stayed on his line.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:15:18 AM
Let's give him time frst, now is not the time to be changing managers.

Id agree if I thought theyd be change. Id be amazed if he replaces Howard. What are we giving him time to do if he cant even see the problems.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 20, 2015, 02:15:32 AM
Once again Howard is blamed. He is way past his best but those goals would have beaten any keeper. How anyone can slag off Kiev is beyond me. They are a very decent team. We might have scored 4, Barkley hit the post twice. Get rid of the players who can't hack it at this or the PL level and sign good replacements in time for next season.  The players gave everything physically so QPR will be expecting at least a point against a knackered Everton. The story of Europa or Europe I suppose.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 02:15:35 AM
If that game doesn't prove how tactically inept Martinez is then I dont know what does.

Granted two of the goals where absolute worldies we could do nothing about and 2 where down to how shite alcaraz was still isn't really the point.

He doesn't inspire confidence, never has the right team selection, his subs baffle me and he has shown not just at Everton, but throughout his managerial career, he can't set up a team to defend properly at all.

Let him see the season out and then sack him.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 20, 2015, 02:15:41 AM
Roberto Martinez is the least adaptable manager Iv came across. He may aswell go home after the team talk, and telling Jones who the subs at the 70th and 80th mins will be
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Brownie on March 20, 2015, 02:15:55 AM
I can't really comment as I only caught the last ten minutes. But I'm not happy about what's happened and will point the finger at RM if what I've read on here is true.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: edbootle on March 20, 2015, 02:16:45 AM
Martinez singing  in the dressing room with Patsy Cline.
"I fall to pieces" :titanic:
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:16:51 AM
On the plus side, we looked quite a positive team and created quite a few chances, Barkley must have hit the bar twice plus Lukaku had a couple of decent opportunities. Osman really does make a difference and provides a spark when he is on the field, I just wish he had started the game.

I don't blame Martinez for starting Alcaraz as he had done well against Newcastle plus John Stones is just coming back from injury and Distin is probably injured again or something. But what a fucking nightmare of a game he had, I just pray that Stones will be fit and raring to go by Sunday.

We all said this against Chelsea. Of course we look good going forward when we are happy to concede chance after chance. We got what we deserved today. Less we had a couple of good strikes that didnt go in but they could have scored more too.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:16:59 AM
or he could have told them he was preparing the type of goal that the fifth was, a worldy from out of nowhere, which they are more than capable of

Moyes used to go for 0-0's and get beat every single time

I just think publically saying it is whats wrong, discuss all possibilities with the team yes of course, tell them we want to score, they arent stupid, they know they have struggled defensively. I just dont like the management of we will play like Everton, go all out to score and not worry about being tight at the back etc. He is a stubborn guy and its cost us again and again.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 02:17:04 AM
Phil McNulty ‏@philmcnulty
Sadly that was amateur hour - or 90 minutes - from Everton tonight. Whole coop of chickens coming home to roost there.  nod
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 02:17:19 AM
Let's give him time frst, now is not the time to be changing managers.
wigan stuck with him
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 20, 2015, 02:17:36 AM
Oh, and all the finger pointing at the defence. McCarthy and Barry were useless too
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:17:59 AM
Once again Howard is blamed. He is way past his best but those goals would have beaten any keeper. How anyone can slag off Kiev is beyond me. They are a very decent team. We might have scored 4, Barkley hit the post twice. Get rid of the players who can't hack it at this or the PL level and sign good replacements in time for next season.  The players gave everything physically so QPR will be expecting at least a point against a knackered Everton. The story of Europa or Europe I suppose.

Im certainly not blaming howard tonight. Just mentioning him because hes be obviously terrible this season yet I doubt Martinez is trying to fix the problem
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 02:18:50 AM
The midfielders were shocking as well.  Very true.  One of Gibson or Osman really needed to be in the XI.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 02:19:05 AM
our defensive performance hit an all time low tonight, its been poor all season but tonight was just shambolic and its alll down to 1 man martinez, GET SHUT ASAP tactically inept
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2015, 02:19:25 AM
You can't go to a game saying we want a 0-0, they score and the team is lost. yes he needed to change things but Howard made a poor mistake, Alcaraz made another, we hit the post twice and they scored 2 amazing goals.

I mam angry too but the players have to take the blame too, they experienced pro's, they should be better.

But you've summed it up in your response, Robles never deserved to get dropped and I'd struggle to find anyone that would pick Alcaraz over the options we have but who made these decisions, that's why it's his fault!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 02:19:30 AM
The midfielders were shocking as well.  Very true.  One of Gibson or Osman really needed to be in the XI.

This.

McCarthy plays better with Gibson in the middle.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 02:22:07 AM
wigan stuck with him

We stuck with Moyes
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 02:22:38 AM
Con is right to blame some of the players. Maybe the manager puts too much faith in them, but surely there's enough old heads on that pitch to say 'settle down now lads, nice and solid, nothing sloppy upto HT'.

It's really distressing. No hope of European football until another 18 months minimum, and you'd have to be an extreme optimist to forsee even that happening. So let down by the manager and the players tonight, bar a couple of them (maybe Ross and Rom mainly).
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 20, 2015, 02:24:39 AM
our defensive performance hit an all time low tonight, its been poor all season but tonight was just shambolic and its alll down to 1 man martinez, GET SHUT ASAP tactically inept

One man to blame and that's Alcaraz, do you honestly think Martinez told him to go out and duck every ball over the top. Jags was doing the job of two men out there
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:24:58 AM
We stuck with Moyes

We can all do this. Stuck with Smith too long too.

None of the examples matter. I'll stick with him if hes looking for another keeper, looking to only play 1 of Naismith or Barkley, looking to add some tempo even if it costs us a little of our meaningless possession. The problem is what are we giving him time to do?? He doesnt appear to learn or want to change what most of us see as massive problems
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 20, 2015, 02:25:15 AM
Truly terrible performance. Some absolute stinkers out there tonight. Feel totally deflated, this season can fuck off ASAP.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 02:25:30 AM
One man to blame and that's Alcaraz, do you honestly think Martinez told him to go out and duck every ball over the top. Jags was doing the job of two men out there

No, but do you think Alcaraz picked himself?

He played to the best of his ability, which is limited - to be kind.

He had a stinker against Kiev at Goodison and yet was still picked ahead of Stones.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 20, 2015, 02:25:50 AM
Caught chunks of the game in work and it mainly seemed to be us fouling, us defending like knob heads and Iarmalenko doing step overs. Oh and Howard being beaten from range.

Left work and put my iPod on shuffle

First song 'Let Down' Radiohead. How apt and depressing

Fuck off Everton!

I just can't see long term Martinez doing a good job for us. I won't grumble if he is sacked in the summer. This season has been a disaster

Of course if he is kept on I hope he proves me wrong
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:26:10 AM
when will we hear the after game comments?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2015, 02:26:29 AM
Lukaku and Barkley did quite well tonight but I also think Osman had put a good performance.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2015, 02:26:52 AM
One man to blame and that's Alcaraz, do you honestly think Martinez told him to go out and duck every ball over the top. Jags was doing the job of two men out there

So you're laying the blame of that performance solely on one player?

Who picked that player?

Who deemed him good enough to play for Everton?

Who failed to get a centre half in thinking having Distin and Alcaraz as 2 of our 4 centre halves was good enough?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 20, 2015, 02:27:28 AM
Didn't go our way, but we've played worse. Their first and last goals were crackers, but we allowed them so much time and space up front that they could and did shoot from everywhere. The 3 goals in between were shambolic, as were the other 30 odd chances we gave them.

It's been the same problem for pretty much the whole season, our defending has been so poor we didn't have much of a chance. Martinez needs to be more pragmatic, I've no idea how Distin hasn't been able to get back into this team.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 20, 2015, 02:27:35 AM
No, but do you think Alcaraz picked himself?

He played to the best of his ability, which is limited - to be kind.

He had a stinker against Kiev at Goodison and yet was still picked ahead of Stones.

Don't think that's true, he's had plenty of better games than that, the weekend for example when he was brilliant.

If stones isn't fit to start then he can't start him.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 02:27:40 AM
No, but do you think Alcaraz picked himself?

He played to the best of his ability, which is limited - to be kind.

He had a stinker against Kiev at Goodison and yet was still picked ahead of Stones.

He might have kept him in because of his performance against Newcastle, but Newcastle are shite, this is another reason why I don't like Roberto, gets far too many things wrong.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:27:46 AM
Stones is fully fit by the way, just been speaking to his sister.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 02:27:50 AM
Now all our chances of doing anything this season have gone and we're out of Europe, the issue of whether we are fatigued due to Uefa cup after effects should be clear to see, one way or the other. I just hope it holds some truth and our league form improves for the run in. Despite a couple of good saves this evening my confidence in Howard is zero. His positioning is all wrong, I've watched Football for a along time and Tim Howard has deteriorated as a keeper significantly
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 02:27:58 AM
One man to blame and that's Alcaraz, do you honestly think Martinez told him to go out and duck every ball over the top. Jags was doing the job of two men out there
he picked alcaraz and im sorry before the game started we all said that was a bad move. look at the posts after the team was named and see how many were not happy with alcaraz, sooner have stones on 1 leg than that clown
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2015, 02:28:31 AM
when will we hear the after game comments?

"It was a phenomenal experience, the players did phenomenal to get this far" done
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 02:28:45 AM
We can all do this. Stuck with Smith too long too.

None of the examples matter. I'll stick with him if hes looking for another keeper, looking to only play 1 of Naismith or Barkley, looking to add some tempo even if it costs us a little of our meaningless possession. The problem is what are we giving him time to do?? He doesnt appear to learn or want to change what most of us see as massive problems

Pre-season was  aproblem, Keeper and midfield is a problem as well as an attacking midfielder.

Give him the Summer and 10 games and see where we at.

If he hasn't changed and we still awful, sack him
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:29:04 AM
One man to blame and that's Alcaraz, do you honestly think Martinez told him to go out and duck every ball over the top. Jags was doing the job of two men out there

Signed him and picked him. The other 4 in our defence have hit an all time low this season too, our wingers cant counter attack anyone because we pride aimless possession over tempo, despite having 2 defensive midfielders teams just walk through us. The problem isnt tonights shambolic mess. The problems are season long and show little sign of any real change

He can have time assuming hes looking to make real changes to personel and tactics. I doubt very much he is. He thinks Howard has been great and weve only been shit vs Hull. He doesnt even think theres a problem
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 02:30:32 AM
Stones is fully fit by the way, just been speaking to his sister.

Don't you fucking dare say that  lolol If true then this is actually laughable.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 02:30:55 AM
So you're laying the blame of that performance solely on one player?

Who picked that player?

Who deemed him good enough to play for Everton?

Who failed to get a centre half in thinking having Distin and Alcaraz as 2 of our 4 centre halves was good enough?

TBF, we would all of said that si enough cover with Stones there as well
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 02:31:14 AM
We have a cracking group of players, he just can't get them playing.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:31:21 AM
Pre-season was  aproblem, Keeper and midfield is a problem as well as an attacking midfielder.

Give him the Summer and 10 games and see where we at.

If he hasn't changed and we still awful, sack him

Hes telling us Howards been brilliant. He has to demonstate to someone he knows the issues. Hes certainly not demonstrating that to us
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 20, 2015, 02:32:05 AM
he picked alcaraz and im sorry before the game started we all said that was a bad move. look at the posts after the team was named and see how many were not happy with alcaraz, sooner have stones on 1 leg than that clown

I'd have rather had Distin but for whatever reason he's been frozen out. That's the only thing I don't get, Stones has been ill and had weight loss yet has been in the squad yet Sylvain has been back home playing reserve football
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2015, 02:32:58 AM
Hes telling us Howards been brilliant. He has to demonstate to someone he knows the issues. Hes certainly not demonstrating that to us

There have even been stats this week that Howard has made more mistakes that have led to goals than any other keeper in the league
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 02:33:18 AM
It is the fact that he doesn't see there is a problem.

He was like this at Wigan.

When Wigan went down I distinctly remember the man saying in an interview "With the squad of players we have here, this should never of happened"

That is his problem, he is so convinced that what he is doing works that he fails to see where the problems lie, just carries on as though everything will be alright without seeing the bigger picture. Doesn't see the problems and doesn't try to change them.

He is a fucking absolute clown and needs to go.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2015, 02:33:26 AM
One man to blame and that's Alcaraz, do you honestly think Martinez told him to go out and duck every ball over the top. Jags was doing the job of two men out there

Yeah but Jags had to do that last week as well because Akcaraz isn't up to it, it's Martinez that's picked him though when it was clear he wasn't up to it before.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:36:18 AM
There have even been stats this week that Howard has made more mistakes that have led to goals than any other keeper in the league

We can debate this player or that and theres always disagreements. I honestly cant think how anyone can even suggest Howards had a good season. Yet Martinez is telling us he has. Not hes a talent and will regain his form. That hes been good. Its staggering. Either hes daft or he thinks we and Howard are.

I honestly think if we give him time we'll set up for the 1st game next season with all the same problems. He doesnt want to change so whats the time for??
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 02:36:31 AM
To be honest we were ridiculously lucky against Wolfsburg in both games... they totally battered us and somehow we kept them out and nicked goals on the break.

I consider us pretty fortunate to have got this far the way we have played this season.

Martinez has been on borrowed time, relying on the feel-good factor of the European results but that's up now.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: School of Science on March 20, 2015, 02:37:57 AM
Need a goalkeeper, spend big and a cmmanding commanding centre half that's good in the air and can read the game.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:38:58 AM
To be honest we were ridiculously lucky against Wolfsburg in both games... they totally battered us and somehow we kept them out and nicked goals on the break.

I consider us pretty fortunate to have got this far the way we have played this season.

Martinez has been on borrowed time, relying on the feel-good factor of the European results but that's up now.

Totally agree. Was a little lucky in France too and more than a little in Russia. Had half an hour in the 1st leg here that was laughable and we even gave Young Boys a start. Results have been good before tonight but the performances werent that great
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 02:40:01 AM
My biggest worry now is keeping hold of the players we have.

No European footy next year, players are gonna start looking elsewhere.

If we stick with Bobby he will bring in Wigan style duds and take us further back.

Winning the EL was the last chance to really build next year, who are we going to attract now?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 02:40:09 AM
There's not too many posters who are surprised we went out tonight. I half expected something like this and I wonder how many others did. I'm more surprised i'm not even disappointed. Anyway, QPR here we come.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 20, 2015, 02:41:02 AM
Not having we were lucky in any of our European games this season. Can't simply use 'luck' to diminish the few positives Martinez has left.

In the same way you can't blame bad luck for defeats.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:41:05 AM
There's not too many posters who are surprised we went out tonight. I half expected something like this and I wonder how many others did. I'm more surprised i'm not even disappointed. Anyway, QPR here we come.

im surprised, im very fucking surprised!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Steppeone on March 20, 2015, 02:42:04 AM
Its the failure to correct that is a concern. Our problem all season has been conceding a massive amount of soft goals yet there has been no obvious effort to correct.

We stay committed to passing it around at the back which just results in us stretching ourselves and losing our shape, allowing even the dregs of the premier league to stroll in and score.

We need changes at GK and CB and tactically. If our current manager is unwilling or unable to bring about these changes then we need to find a new one that will because this is some bulllllshit.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:42:31 AM
Need a goalkeeper, spend big and a cmmanding commanding centre half that's good in the air and can read the game.

With sound tactics Jags and Stones are more than capable of being our first choice CB pairing.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Thom on March 20, 2015, 02:42:36 AM
It's surreal and frustrating seeing how poor we are at defending long balls/crosses into the box in certain matches, especially when we looked solid in the match against Newcastle.

It's vital that we get a win against QPR on Sunday to boost morale after this, as bowing out of a competition the players had hopes of winning will knock the proverbial stuffing out of them. I'd have genuine concerns about us limping over the line now.

Stay up this season, regroup, bring in defensive reinforcements and have a good preseason where everything is worked on. Not just this tippy tappy football with no end product.

And, probably most important of all, bring in a defensive coach. This actually gives me an idea for an article...
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: benny on March 20, 2015, 02:42:47 AM
One man to blame and that's Alcaraz, do you honestly think Martinez told him to go out and duck every ball over the top. Jags was doing the job of two men out there

                just to blame one player is out of order BS even though he was crap so was 75% of the team + manager
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 02:43:02 AM
Hes telling us Howards been brilliant. He has to demonstate to someone he knows the issues. Hes certainly not demonstrating that to us

What's he supposed to do mid-transfer window? I think he knows the problems. he might be stubborn and that could be his downfall but he gave us an amazing season last year, one we haven't had for 10 years. This season has been horrible I agree. he is not the only one to blame though.

He ahs the rest of this season and until November to sort it out
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 02:43:03 AM
Not so much surprised that we went out, losing football matches is part and parcel of football, you cant win em all.

But its HOW we went out that surprised me.

In fact, to be honest, I'm not, because a performance like that has been on the cards to really stamp home how tactically inept the man is.

I felt we had more winning mentality when we had smith ffs. Never had such a lack of belief in an Everton side ever.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:43:45 AM
There's not too many posters who are surprised we went out tonight. I half expected something like this and I wonder how many others did. I'm more surprised i'm not even disappointed. Anyway, QPR here we come.

Im surprised cos Kiev arent very good. Weve got 2 full backs worth 20M each, an England international centre half (and we cant defend at all) McCarthy is apparently worth a lot of money, Barkley is the best England player ever, Lukaku worth 30M plus to Wolfsburg. We have 6 or 7 who Champions League teams would pay massive amounts for and yet over a season we've barely better than Burnley. Maybe thats why we shouldnt be surprised but it does create a level of disbelief in what we see most weeks
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 02:43:45 AM
im surprised, im very fucking surprised!



Maybe we should have a vote on who is Lizz. Because i'm not.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:44:06 AM
Not having we were lucky in any of our European games this season. Can't simply use 'luck' to diminish the few positives Martinez has left.

In the same way you can't blame bad luck for defeats.

Not to too big an effect.

But spread across all our games this season you have to ask questions.

Wolfsburg and Young Boys played open games that suited us down to the ground.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 02:45:33 AM
Tbh like, I can't even think about the QPR game. I feel like hurting an innocent animal. And that's their fault for making me like that.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:46:10 AM
What's he supposed to do mid-transfer window? I think he knows the problems. he might be stubborn and that could be his downfall but he gave us an amazing season last year, one we haven't had for 10 years. This season has been horrible I agree. he is not the only one to blame though.

He ahs the rest of this season and until November to sort it out

Not suggesting hes the only 1 to blame. Just that its a massive worry that Martinez wants to tell us hes been good. Is he daft?? Does he think we are?? Its a baffling comment by him.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:46:21 AM
What's he supposed to do mid-transfer window? I think he knows the problems. he might be stubborn and that could be his downfall but he gave us an amazing season last year, one we haven't had for 10 years. This season has been horrible I agree. he is not the only one to blame though.

He ahs the rest of this season and until November to sort it out

If Alcaraz "has" to play then you shift your tactics to reduce his lack of pace being exposed.

It's almost a negative image of our attacking play throughtout the season which hasn't suited Lukaku, Barkley, Mirallas etc.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 02:47:06 AM
Wolfsburg 4-1 up vs Inter Milan and going through, yet the mighty Everton beat them home and away !
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:47:18 AM
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/media/martinez-post-kiev.35/ (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/media/martinez-post-kiev.35/)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 20, 2015, 02:48:39 AM
                just to blame one player is out of order BS even though he was crap so was 75% of the team + manager

I wouldn't say 75% necessarily, I can think of 3-4 players including Alcaraz who were poor. Martinez does deserve some criticism though, I'd have made changes at half time when we were still in it rather than after the 4th
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:48:39 AM
Not suggesting hes the only 1 to blame. Just that its a massive worry that Martinez wants to tell us hes been good. Is he daft?? Does he think we are?? Its a baffling comment by him.

I'm a big fan of Howard.

I think he's worth sticking with etc but he's been shite this season.

Just admit this but say he's been working very hard on his weakness and he retains your trust.

Don't just try and bullshit your way through everything.

People can see he's been well below his normal standards - just say that. It doesn't mean that you think he's permanently been shite or will continue to be.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: wepull on March 20, 2015, 02:48:55 AM
I won't say we were lucky to win the first leg, we did deserve it, but with the tactical set up which we had at with Kone and Osman on, I hated it to say the least. We got lucky with the penalty then and came out as victors.

Today, he just tried similar tactics in the second half and I don't think I have ever seen a team as narrow as ours with barely anyone who could help whip some crosses for so many people in the centre.

I don't think as a manager, Martinez has learnt anything as a manager. He was stubborn last season and has been this season too. His obsession with Barry is very similar to Moyes' obsession with Neville.

Anyways, the way we have played the whole season, I think an extended run in Europe would have just masked his deficiencies. I think he has been poor as a manager, and I think he needs to go for it.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 02:49:17 AM
phenomenal   nod
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 02:50:04 AM


Maybe we should have a vote on who is Lizz. Because i'm not.

not another vote, its pointless
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:50:15 AM
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/media/martinez-post-kiev.35/ (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/media/martinez-post-kiev.35/)

It just kind of happened. All down to luck. What are we giving him time to do? Thats my problem if he said this and that arent good enough but I think I can change it Id give him some time. He says Howards been great and weve only played badly against Hull
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 20, 2015, 02:50:39 AM
Gutted about that game.  We were the architects of our own downfall with our shambolic defending,  and can someone please tell me WTF Besic does in the team because he is shite, offered absolutely nothing by coming on,  nearly gifted another goal and just seems to be in dire need of anger management.

Carried too much deadweight today on the pitch, too many players not fit to wear the shirt I'm afraid, confounded by terrible tactics from the off that played into Kiev's hands.

A rather embarrassing end to our European adventure.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2015, 02:51:04 AM
So he glossed over the 2nd and 3rd goals, and basically said they scored worldies and that's why we're out.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 02:51:24 AM
phenomenal   nod

I think he says it three/four times in that 2 minute video.  lolol He just makes me laugh now.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:52:07 AM
So he glossed over the 2nd and 3rd goals, and basically said they scored worldies and that's why we're out.

Still only been shit against Hull then
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 02:52:09 AM
Are they taking the piss ?

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 20, 2015, 02:52:39 AM
Post match interview contains 'phenomonal memories' of the competition, 'phenomonal experience' and desire to fulfill the potential In the squad
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 02:55:00 AM
I'm not even going to click the link.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 20, 2015, 02:55:05 AM
So he glossed over the 2nd and 3rd goals, and basically said they scored worldies and that's why we're out.
well he did say that it was phenomenal for Kyev to score those goals and they wouldn't do it often

seems like he is forgetting it was done against his team playing his tactics

his reaction is a little hard to take (or lack thereof)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 02:56:22 AM
Post match interview contains 'phenomonal memories' of the competition, 'phenomonal experience' and desire to fulfill the potential In the squad

We lost we out. You and everyone can sulk all you want. Until tonight we have dominated in this competition. MArtinez gave us Europe. Let's focus on the good that did come from it and move on.

We will all be better for the experience.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 20, 2015, 02:57:36 AM
The man is so blind to his own teams failings, that is what's really worrying.

I think the psychological term is, 'in denial'. :(
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: charlatan on March 20, 2015, 02:57:55 AM
Absolutely shocking again.

Should have been gone months ago
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Steppeone on March 20, 2015, 02:58:41 AM
I'm not even going to click the link.

Spoiler alert - deluded ramblings, delivered somberly.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 20, 2015, 02:59:04 AM
I will be content if Martinez gains from the experience but does it somewhere else and not at our expense.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 02:59:12 AM
We lost we out. You and everyone can sulk all you want. Until tonight we have dominated in this competition. MArtinez gave us Europe. Let's focus on the good that did come from it and move on.

We will all be better for the experience.

Dominated really??? If we swapped performances and results around wed be complaining about the results in Russia and France and home and away against Wolfsburg.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 03:00:24 AM
I will be content if Martinez gains from the experience but does it somewhere else and not at our expense.

The problem is hes not gaining experience even at our expense. Hes not learning. He doesnt even think theres a problem
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 20, 2015, 03:01:03 AM
Urgh 20 trophy-less years now. How utterly grim!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 03:05:01 AM
Getting to the Round of 16 and going out in fairly humiliating fashion is not even a drop in the bucket compensation for a guaranteed bottom half Prem finish.  Grim times indeed.  And that reality DOES need to be acknowledged.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: benny on March 20, 2015, 03:06:09 AM
I'm not even going to click the link.

             I`m not either    nod
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 03:08:03 AM
Dominated really??? If we swapped performances and results around wed be complaining about the results in Russia and France and home and away against Wolfsburg.



An dif we scored 1 more goal at home and one more here we would be through
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 03:12:34 AM
An dif we scored 1 more goal at home and one more here we would be through
and if my uncle had a fanny he would be my aunt
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 03:12:47 AM
An dif we scored 1 more goal at home and one more here we would be through

If wed won every game last season and this we'd be odds on to win the Champions League. If I was pretty, witty and charming Angelina Jolie might wank me off with her bum cheeks
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 03:14:04 AM
If wed won every game last season and this we'd be odds on to win the Champions League. If I was pretty, witty and charming Angelina Jolie might wank me off with her bum cheeks
nice thought tho
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: chang on March 20, 2015, 03:16:16 AM
Great ride while it lasted, but we fell off from a long way up in the end and that scars deep. Too pissed off to get involved in the blame game myself, or the "if only so and so was fit" debates,

Reality is, collectively as a team from the manager downwards we are not good enough, it's nothing to do with luck, the performances and repeated mistakes are a serious issue for us.

Doubt Kyiv have the team to win it either..
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2015, 03:17:16 AM
Not about sulking Con, Everton means a lot to a large number of people, its not something we can just accept then get on with our day unfortunately.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 03:18:00 AM
If wed won every game last season and this we'd be odds on to win the Champions League. If I was pretty, witty and charming Angelina Jolie might wank me off with her bum cheeks

I just did the same if you did. Don't get upset about me using the same nonsense argument you did
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 03:18:04 AM
nice thought tho

You planning on sitting in the corner and watching?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 03:18:10 AM
Great ride while it lasted, but we fell off from a long way up in the end and that scars deep. Too pissed off to get involved in the blame game myself, or the "if only so and so was fit" debates,

Reality is, collectively as a team from the manager downwards we are not good enough, it's nothing to do with luck, the performances and repeated mistakes are a serious issue for us.

Doubt Kyiv have the team to win it either..

Thats true. Not good enough tonight or most times this season. Was daft hope that wed win it rather than any logic
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 03:19:38 AM
I just did the same if you did. Don't get upset about me using the same nonsense argument you did

No you didnt. You said we dominated and I merely pointed out if your biase was the other way round youd suggest no such thing. We didnt dominate. Im not adding goals. Im saying while results were decent (against quite poor sides in the main) the performances werent as good
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 20, 2015, 03:21:10 AM
I still think pre-season has a LOT to do with this

He set up to play a certain way and the player's weren't fit enough, but he hasn't got it in him to change it immediately

We will see a different Everton next season under Martinez

Hopefully that doesn't mean we are going to lose a few of our best players.

I bet we will though.

If I was an attack-minded, talented player, I wouldn't want to play in that shit, snooze-fest of a system.

The only time we start pressing and attacking with urgency and pace is when we get desperate.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2015, 03:24:34 AM
Thats true. Not good enough tonight or most times this season. Was daft hope that wed win it rather than any logic

We smashed Wolfsburg home and away. We were unbeaten till tonight. That is dominating
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: TrevorSteven on March 20, 2015, 03:26:44 AM
Sorry guys but our team really suck this season.

Whoever you want to blame for it you gotta give Bobby credit for his interview after the match deliberately takes a piss at all the fans that wants him out by adding the word phenomenal to all sentences possible.

On a positive - being out of Europe makes this phenomenal bad season gift us less lessons/matches to learn about the potential of this fantastic squad.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 03:28:56 AM
Like Shogs said, don't "excuse" the wins any more than the losses.  It's a bottom line business, and the "breaks" even out over time.  You are what your record says you are.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 20, 2015, 03:30:10 AM
We smashed Wolfsburg home and away. We were unbeaten till tonight. That is dominating

Wolfsburg battered us at home if you remember.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 20, 2015, 03:30:53 AM
We smashed Wolfsburg home and away. We were unbeaten till tonight. That is dominating

Did we really. 4 1 against Wolfsburg was an absolute shootout and could have been 5 all. Away we were 2nd best and hit them a couple of times on the break. Id be utterly amazed if Wolfsburg fans thought they were fair results. We were slightly the lesser side in France and comfotably 2nd best in Russia and Ukraine. Im not having our European games have been some sort of masterclass. Also most of what weve come up against have been poor
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: charlatan on March 20, 2015, 03:32:11 AM
Did we really. 4 1 against Wolfsburg was an absolute shootout and could have been 5 all. Away we were 2nd best and hit them a couple of times on the break. Id be utterly amazed if Wolfsburg fans thought they were fair results. We were slightly the lesser side in France and comfotably 2nd best in Russia and Ukraine. Im not having our European games have been some sort of masterclass. Also most of what weve come up against have been poor

Indeed Young Boys were a fucking pub side and we made them look like Real Madrid for 30 minutes
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 20, 2015, 03:32:40 AM
Hopefully that doesn't mean we are going to lose a few of our best players.

I bet we will though.

If I was an attack-minded, talented player, I wouldn't want to play in that shit, snooze-fest of a system.

The only time we start pressing and attacking with urgency and pace is when we get desperate.

I don't think we will to be honest. I said it a couple of weeks back that the only outgoings I see are Distin, Alcaraz, Mirallas, Oviedo and one or two young lads. Out of the two loanees I see Lennon being kept and Atsu going back to Chelsea
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Fern on March 20, 2015, 03:33:01 AM
or he could have told them he was preparing the type of goal that the fifth was, a worldy from out of nowhere, which they are more than capable of

Moyes used to go for 0-0's and get beat every single time
Is this about Moyes? Why does his name get pulled up when people raise the blatant inadequacies of our current "manager"?

There's no defending Martinez. I'm staggered that people continue to do so. Unreal.

Please don't take away my posting privileges again for speaking my mind.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2015, 03:36:35 AM
Please don't take away my posting privileges again for speaking my mind.

Oh, here we go again

NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN BANNED FROM NSNO FOR "SPEAKING THEIR MIND"

As was pointed out the other day, 12 accounts have been banned in the last 12 months.

Twelve.

On six of those twelve times, they were accounts created by people who had been banned after repeated warnings about their posting behaviour - not their opinion, their behaviour.

Now, toddle along.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 20, 2015, 03:42:02 AM
I switch off when listening to Martinez drone on, wish he would say the pitch was shit or blame someone specifically, if only to wake me up.

Alcaraz was having a mare, he wasn't winning headers, couldn't cope with the pace and looked tired. These weren't problems that a positive half time team talk can or did fix. I thought he did better second half as the pace slowed a bit. But to substitute in a way that left him up front as an aerial threat for last 10 minutes was bizarre.

Especially when you consider it was after we went 4-1 he made his first sub, and he instead took off Atsu who had shown some good link up play with Coleman and Lukaku.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 20, 2015, 03:47:47 AM
I don't think we will to be honest. I said it a couple of weeks back that the only outgoings I see are Distin, Alcaraz, Mirallas, Oviedo and one or two young lads. Out of the two loanees I see Lennon being kept and Atsu going back to Chelsea

Really hope you're right, Stevie.

I'm feeling so fucking negative this season.

It's such a huge comedown from the last, the biggest drop in positivity that I've had from my thirty years-plus of supporting us.

I really felt like this was our time, and our last chance to assemble an excellent, hungry squad that would succeed, and then generate income from regular European qualifications, and that our long overdue resurgence would snowball from there, and then attract a takeover etc, etc.

I'm so gutted right now, and have been all season.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2015, 03:56:21 AM
Really hope you're right, Stevie.

I'm feeling so fucking negative this season.

It's such a huge comedown from the last, the biggest drop in positivity that I've had from my thirty years-plus of supporting us.

I really felt like this was our time, and our last chance to assemble an excellent, hungry squad that would succeed, and then generate income from regular European qualifications, and that our long overdue resurgence would snowball from there, and then attract a takeover etc, etc.

I'm so gutted right now, and have been all season.

You are right mate.

It really is beyond incredible the contrast in feelings I felt at the beginning of the season compared to now.

After securing the permanent deal of Lukaku for 28M, something that I never in a million years thought we would ever do and spend that sort of money, to signing SAMUEL FUCKING ETO'O, from having the best season ever in the premier league to not losing any of our key players, to being genuinely active in the transfer market.

Can't quite fathom how much it has well and truly come crashing down, this season has just utterly arse raped the life out of me, just feel like I've been walloped by a fucking train every week, its been so demoralizing it has just utterly killed me, I'm at the point where its just pure apathy, can't even stomach feeling bad any more, its just nothing.

I'm afraid it all has to come down to one man unfortunately, hes got to go from me.
 
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 20, 2015, 04:05:46 AM
I don't think we will to be honest. I said it a couple of weeks back that the only outgoings I see are Distin, Alcaraz, Mirallas, Oviedo and one or two young lads. Out of the two loanees I see Lennon being kept and Atsu going back to Chelsea

Take that back about Oviedo!!!!
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 20, 2015, 04:12:55 AM
Take that back about Oviedo!!!!

True, I would be genuinely gutted if Big Bryan goes
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2015, 04:24:18 AM
True, I would be genuinely gutted if Big Bryan goes




Nah can't get rid of the smiling assassin.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 20, 2015, 04:34:49 AM
It just seems like Martinez thought, "we're full of confidence so let's go attack". So fucking naive.

He hasn't learnt a thing and his selection and tactics have been right about 5 times all season.

Not sure I can stomach his bullshit anymore, just be fucking real with us for once and admit we were shit. They scored 5 on us, that's not because they were "phenomenal", it's because we were shit.

I wouldn't be surprised if he went in the summer if a good candidate became available.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Alfie Noakes on March 20, 2015, 04:48:33 AM
Really pissed off with that result. Probably the most important game for years and Everton fucked up.

Credit to Dynamo though, they scored a couple of fantastic goals, the rest was poor defending.

If Barkleys' shots had been on target we wouldn't be moaning here.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: blob on March 20, 2015, 04:57:37 AM
It just seems like Martinez thought, "we're full of confidence so let's go attack". So fucking naive.

He hasn't learnt a thing and his selection and tactics have been right about 5 times all season.

Not sure I can stomach his bullshit anymore, just be fucking real with us for once and admit we were shit. They scored 5 on us, that's not because they were "phenomenal", it's because we were shit.

I wouldn't be surprised if he went in the summer if a good candidate became available.

this is the rub.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on March 20, 2015, 07:46:47 AM
Honestly don't think Ive been as pissed off/devastated with a result since that semi final in 2012...  (I was plastered during the quarter final debacle against Wigan) to lose in that manner is just horrible
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Cods on March 20, 2015, 11:50:39 AM
Wasn't surprised at the result but was at the scoreline. 
And I don't think we really were as good as our previous EL scores suggest.   I think we probably overestimated how good we really are.  We can't be totally crap in the league yet be brilliant in the EL. A lot of it depends on the opposition we face and luck on the day.  Wolfsburg, and both Young Boys matches all could have easily ended differently.
The biggest falls come after the highest of highs. 2015-16 here we come (provided we avoid relegation)
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: School of Science on March 20, 2015, 12:01:23 PM
With sound tactics Jags and Stones are more than capable of being our first choice CB pairing.

And if one of them gets injured or suffers a loss of form ? We need to think bigger than that as we found out last night and this season as a whole.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 12:26:29 PM
And if one of them gets injured or suffers a loss of form ? We need to think bigger than that as we found out last night and this season as a whole.

Oh - yeah we need another CB if for no other reason than Distin will be going and so should Alcaraz.

Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Bally on March 20, 2015, 01:44:04 PM
Oh, here we go again

NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN BANNED FROM NSNO FOR "SPEAKING THEIR MIND"

As was pointed out the other day, 12 accounts have been banned in the last 12 months.

Twelve.

On six of those twelve times, they were accounts created by people who had been banned after repeated warnings about their posting behaviour - not their opinion, their behaviour.

Now, toddle along.

Don't you love it when we lose
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Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 20, 2015, 01:57:08 PM
Think McCarthy and Coleman are getting off lightly. Coleman's worst defensive performance for years and Kiev targeted him with great success, while McCarthy looked lost in the centre, chasing shadows and leaving huge gaps at time.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2015, 02:00:07 PM
Think McCarthy and Coleman are getting off lightly. Coleman's worst defensive performance for years and Kiev targeted him with great success, while McCarthy looked lost in the centre, chasing shadows and leaving huge gaps at time.

You have to ask why though?

Is McCarthy firefighting? Is Coleman exposed/offered no cover either in front or behind him?
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 20, 2015, 02:12:52 PM
Thought Atsu did well covering Coleman, was disappointed when he went off.

No idea who was playing in central midfield with McCarthy - with Barry spending a lot of time helping out at the back, it seemed we were playing with 9 men at times.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 02:20:31 PM
ive had all night to think about the result with working a nightshift and i still cant fathom out martinez tactics at all, we were winning 2-1 yet he sent a team out as if we needed to win by a few goals, it was so gung ho it was untrue, is he really so naive? he seemed hell bent on scoring he left us totally exposed at times, he forgot that we also needed to defend, he said hes not going there for a 0-0 well that would of seen us through you fool. it worries me the effect it may have on us for the remaining games and if thats the best martinez can come up with were still in deep shit
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2015, 02:22:25 PM
Thought Atsu did well covering Coleman, was disappointed when he went off.

No idea who was playing in central midfield with McCarthy - with Barry spending a lot of time helping out at the back, it seemed we were playing with 9 men at times.


Tend to agree, but who sent them out to play like this? No matter what way its viewed its Martinez fault, either he sent them out like this which was basically shambolic (most likely based on other games this season) or they have such little respect for his methods they just do what they want (also likely given how he sets them up most games).
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 20, 2015, 03:13:39 PM
ive had all night to think about the result with working a nightshift and i still cant fathom out martinez tactics at all, we were winning 2-1 yet he sent a team out as if we needed to win by a few goals, it was so gung ho it was untrue, is he really so naive? he seemed hell bent on scoring he left us totally exposed at times, he forgot that we also needed to defend, he said hes not going there for a 0-0 well that would of seen us through you fool. it worries me the effect it may have on us for the remaining games and if thats the best martinez can come up with were still in deep shit
I can see that argument mate, but if we'd gone for a 0-0 and then got hit with 2 goals, he'd have been slaughtered for not trying to get an away goal.
I don't want to put the majority of the blame on one player, but Alcaraz created chaos in our team. He was identified as the weakness and Coleman, Jags were all over the place trying to cover his arse as he is so slow. Baines played shite too and is weak defensively. I would have at least brought Stones on after they scored because he has composure.
A sad night but a reality check I think. As for Martinez? I'm trying really hard to be patient but my heart says fuck him off because "the margins are phenomenal" and I'm sick to death of them.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on March 20, 2015, 03:25:04 PM
Sorry I haven't read much of the thread so apologies if this has already been said, but for all the terrible defending the turning point was when he subbed Atsu. I'm not saying Atsu is brilliant but he was having a decent game and the shape of the side totally went when he came off. We were actually having a good go at them at that point, Atsu had just forced a good save from the keeper and Ross had hit the post but we lost what little cohesion we had from then on.

What is it with Martinez wanting to play without any proper wide men? The worst example I have seen this season was away at Southampton with Ross-Naismith-Eto'o playing behind Rom... everyone could see it wasn't working but he refused to change it.
Title: Re: Dynamo Kyiv v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 20, 2015, 04:14:50 PM
I can see that argument mate, but if we'd gone for a 0-0 and then got hit with 2 goals, he'd have been slaughtered for not trying to get an away goal.
I don't want to put the majority of the blame on one player, but Alcaraz created chaos in our team. He was identified as the weakness and Coleman, Jags were all over the place trying to cover his arse as he is so slow. Baines played shite too and is weak defensively. I would have at least brought Stones on after they scored because he has composure.
A sad night but a reality check I think. As for Martinez? I'm trying really hard to be patient but my heart says fuck him off because "the margins are phenomenal" and I'm sick to death of them.
i know what your saying, its good to get the away goal, but we just seemed to be obsessed by it, we were winning and we needed to be more patient, we are good at counter attacking but we wernt set up for that we were set up for all out attack, in fact they scored by hitting us on the counter from one of our corners, it was such a tactically inept and baffling performance and probably one of the worst managed 2nd legs of any game i have seen from a team 2-1 up from the first leg ever, if we had gone 1-0 down then we could of gone more attacking, even when we got back to 1-1 they needed 2 goals yet we were so wide open its untrue.