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Title: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 19, 2017, 02:30:28 AM
Will Rom come out on top and end his goal drought, not notched since Burnley,

Sanchez up to 23 with 4 goals in his last 3 games

or Kane also up to 23 so far after scoring 1 tonight with the 2nd half left.
My money is on Kane to retain  Kane now 26
post your vote and opinions......

cheers

 
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Shogun on May 19, 2017, 02:39:33 AM
Won't be Rom, that's for sure.

Think Sanchez will get it on assists. If that's how they decided it when it's tied.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 02:47:25 AM
Won't be lukaku and I kind of think it serves him right. When the chips are down he just won't do the hard yards. Run the channels over and over stretching teams waiting for your 1 break rather than stand in a 6 yard space pointing for a ball that's not on. He'll fall shout because of his mindset
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 19, 2017, 02:47:32 AM
Sanchez will get a couple against us and will take the golden boat just ahead of Kane. Lukaku to finish third
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Macca77 on May 19, 2017, 02:48:27 AM
Sanchez
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Escla on May 19, 2017, 02:52:44 AM
Kane, another one tonight then he's equal with Rom then another 2 on Sunday against Hull, when Rom doesn't get a sniff against Arsenal.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 19, 2017, 02:55:38 AM
I'm going to stand by our fella, but Sanchez would be my 2nd choice.  He's a monster, and on great form.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Confucius on May 19, 2017, 02:59:09 AM
Only Evertonians wouldn't want their own to win the Golden Boot.

The mind boggles, it really does with our fans.

No wonder our best don't want to stay. So under appreciated.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Escla on May 19, 2017, 03:01:57 AM
Only Evertonians wouldn't want their own to win the Golden Boot.

The mind boggles, it really does with our fans.

No wonder our best don't want to stay. So under appreciated.

Who on this thread has said they didn't want Rom to win it ? I can't see anyone having said that ? The question was who do you think will win it and people have replied with their view of who will.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 19, 2017, 03:04:04 AM
Only Evertonians wouldn't want their own to win the Golden Boot.

The mind boggles, it really does with our fans.

No wonder our best don't want to stay. So under appreciated.

It will finally start to sink in once he's gone, just how massive his contribution was.  I don't understand how anyone could fail to see it now, but there's a fuckton I don't get about people.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Confucius on May 19, 2017, 03:05:26 AM
Who on this thread has said they didn't want Rom to win it ? I can't see anyone having said that ? The question was who do you think will win it and people have replied with their view of who will.

Read again.

He is leading by 1. he is still most likely to win yet most don't think he will or deserves to win either. It's quite shocking either way.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Escla on May 19, 2017, 03:07:12 AM
Read again.

He is leading by 1. he is still most likely to win yet most don't think he will or deserves to win either. It's quite shocking either way.

You read again and tell me who said they didn't want him to win which is what you said.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Confucius on May 19, 2017, 03:07:48 AM
You read again and tell me who said they didn't want him to win which is what you said.

You being pedantic.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Confucius on May 19, 2017, 03:08:36 AM
Kane level with Rom now.

I blame you @Escla (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5210)
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 03:10:08 AM
It will finally start to sink in once he's gone, just how massive his contribution was.  I don't understand how anyone could fail to see it now, but there's a fuckton I don't get about people.

Think the opposite. Watch how good we are with 2 genuine wide forwards and some quality movement in the middle. We'll thrive with or without him. Hasn't played well for weeks. Was it you that called him a once in a generation player. His last great game was months ago. The next Messi/Ronaldo/Ronaldinho/Zidane he ain't and even then they were 2 groups of 2 in a generation players. He's good. Very good even. He has plenty of flaws too. We'll thrive with or without him
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Escla on May 19, 2017, 03:11:48 AM
You being pedantic.

Well if making a factual statement is pedantic then so be it, saying he is most likely to win when Kane is equal and on a hatrick with only Hull to play on Sunday is plain daft.


Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on May 19, 2017, 03:13:33 AM
Its impressive that Rom is joint top with the players he has around him compared with the players Kane has around him. I think Rom would be on 30+ in a side like Tottenhams
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 19, 2017, 03:14:42 AM
He is a once in a generation player.  Perhaps we are meaning different things by this, but we won't see a player this good in an Everton shirt for another 20 years, probably more.

That's what I meant.

Also, if I could start a franchise with just one player from the Premier League, Lukaku is who I would pick.  Combination of age, ability, and potential to grow into even more.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: blue slug on May 19, 2017, 03:16:50 AM
Its impressive that Rom is joint top with the players he has around him compared with the players Kane has around him. I think Rom would be on 30+ in a side like Tottenhams

Swear Kane's been out injured quite a bit hasn't he? Roms still done us good like
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: velimski on May 19, 2017, 03:22:39 AM
Swear Kane's been out injured quite a bit hasn't he? Roms still done us good like

Missed 8 games in total which makes his goal tally all the more impressive.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Goaljira on May 19, 2017, 03:25:40 AM
He is a once in a generation player.  Perhaps we are meaning different things by this, but we won't see a player this good in an Everton shirt for another 20 years, probably more.

That's what I meant.

Also, if I could start a franchise with just one player from the Premier League, Lukaku is who I would pick.  Combination of age, ability, and potential to grow into even more.

Thems some blue tinted specs there.  No chance you pick Lukaku to build a team around out of every player in the premiership.  None.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on May 19, 2017, 03:26:56 AM
Swear Kane's been out injured quite a bit hasn't he? Roms still done us good like

Yes he has and undoubtedly would probably have more, but he also benefits from a break which Rom hasnt had for a few years.. What I mean is we are 7th and have the joint top goal scorer with the team in 2nd, sometimes probably because we know he's capable of so much more our fans are a little over critical of Lukaku (not a dig at anyone in this thread).

Looking at the BBC scorers page

Lukaku - 24 Goals - 6 Assists - 63% shots on target - 132 minutes per goal - 3,177 minutes played.
Kane - 24 Goals - 6 Assists - 65% shots on target - 102 minutes per goal - 2452 minutes played.
Sanchez - 23 Goals - 6 Assists - 56% shots on target - 137 minutes per goal - 3,155 minutes played.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 03:29:58 AM
Its impressive that Rom is joint top with the players he has around him compared with the players Kane has around him. I think Rom would be on 30+ in a side like Tottenhams

Kane's a better player. You'd struggle to find someone who isn't an Everton fan that doesn't agree with that
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Ross on May 19, 2017, 03:30:16 AM
Is there really something wrong in thinking Harry Kane is a better more committed all round player than Romelu Lukaku?

Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: sam of the south on May 19, 2017, 03:30:28 AM
Thems some blue tinted specs there.  No chance you pick Lukaku to build a team around out of every player in the premiership.  None.

With you there.

Don't get me wrong, he's the best striker we've had since Lineker, but I would swap him for Kane or Sanchez in a heartbeat, especially in a Koeman side, because they both run the channels and harass the opposition (particularly Sanchez)
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 19, 2017, 03:31:18 AM
No one is knocking Lukaku, people are looking at it on current form Sanchez and Kane have stepped it up, Kane has also hit the ground running after coming back from injury, otherwise he'd be well ahead of Lukaku now. Rom's season finished against Burnley when we secured 7th, it was job done for him then and probably the final job for him in an Everton shirt.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 19, 2017, 03:32:45 AM
Kane hattrick. Irrelevant now away.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: TheTone on May 19, 2017, 03:33:41 AM
One season wonder that Kane yer know
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Polledreng on May 19, 2017, 03:34:14 AM
4 goals by Kane now....
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 03:34:31 AM
He is a once in a generation player.  Perhaps we are meaning different things by this, but we won't see a player this good in an Everton shirt for another 20 years, probably more.

That's what I meant.

Also, if I could start a franchise with just one player from the Premier League, Lukaku is who I would pick.  Combination of age, ability, and potential to grow into even more.

Over hazard? Or Kane? Or Ali? Or Kante? Or Sanchez? Football is all about opinions and there's probably no certain right answer but I think you'd find it very difficult to find many to agree with you that support other teams.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 19, 2017, 03:37:06 AM
kane has 4 now
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Escla on May 19, 2017, 03:38:07 AM
Read again.

He is leading by 1. he is still most likely to win yet most don't think he will or deserves to win either. It's quite shocking either way.

Still most likely ? Kane on 25 now with Hull still to come 😊😀
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 19, 2017, 03:40:09 AM
On 26 now, game and  Poll over Unfortunately
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: velimski on May 19, 2017, 03:47:35 AM

Also, if I could start a franchise with just one player from the Premier League, Lukaku is who I would pick.  Combination of age, ability, and potential to grow into even more.

Please don't use the F word on here ever again.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Trowel on May 19, 2017, 03:48:12 AM
Can you start a thread about Liverpool being on the verge of Champions League qualification, thanks.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 19, 2017, 03:52:47 AM
Well, Kane is certainly making an argument for himself today.  I was discussing this very topic with the only other person in my office who follows (non-American) football, and he heard a similar "-ranchise building" discussion (I didn't catch whether it was NBC or somewhere else) and it came down to Kane or Lukaku for everyone.

The panel (and my workmate) did feel Kane was the more rounded player, FWIW.  But I certainly don't think it's crazy talk or bias to mention Rom in the same breath.  After all, he is still young and can get even better (he's improved markedly every season).  Nobody has the physical gifts he has, and he's plenty smart.

Workmate is a United fan, because he's annoying that way.  We argue a lot.  He appreciates what Schneiderlin brings to our squad, at least.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 03:55:09 AM
Does anyone really give a shit who finishes with the Golden Boot?
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on May 19, 2017, 03:57:47 AM
Harry Kane certainly does, however I don't now its over,

look out for my RS CL thread  soon










not
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Escla on May 19, 2017, 03:59:03 AM
Not really, nice if it's one of your own players but give a shit when the guy is out of here after Sunday.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Cozzie on May 19, 2017, 04:04:17 AM
Kane is awesome but I just cannot bring myself to like him at all, seriously up there with one of the most irritating footballers I can remember.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Cozzie on May 19, 2017, 04:05:29 AM
On a side note

LMFAO, ROFL & PMSL at Leicester.

Abysmal title defence.

But then again, they have won it, we haven't I am sure they aren't arsed.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 04:07:48 AM
Kane is awesome but I just cannot bring myself to like him at all, seriously up there with one of the most irritating footballers I can remember.

He's got a very odd head and a very odd haircut (at least it appears to be on that weird head)
Also slightly off topic but is Ali's daft wave thing a bit of an act of comedy or is he a bit retarded
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Cozzie on May 19, 2017, 04:09:07 AM
He's got a very odd head and a very odd haircut (at least it appears to be on that weird head)
Also slightly off topic but is Ali's daft wave thing a bit of an act of comedy or is he a bit retarded

Yeah his David Cameron sausage head probably doesn't help.

He strikes me as being the type of kid who was awesome at footy at school but really just shouldn't have been.

As far as ali goes, its more down to his plain arrogance, but in fairness, he does back it up.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: sam of the south on May 19, 2017, 04:12:34 AM
I think Kane seems like a thoroughly nice bloke, particularly for a footballer, in the Peter Crouch likeable, awkward with no airs and graces mould.

That Teddy Bear-Headed Dele Alli on the other hand...
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Confucius on May 19, 2017, 04:23:53 AM
Alli has lost quite  a bit of respect from me for the horrible goal celebration handshakes he makes everyone do.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Major Clanger on May 19, 2017, 04:25:14 AM
Does anyone really give a shit who finishes with the Golden Boot?

Lukaku probably does a bit. Though obviously not enough to score in our last few games :)
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 04:27:16 AM
Lukaku probably does a bit. Though obviously not enough to score in our last few games :)

I meant fan-wise really. I can see why the players would as most goalscorers are selfish so they'd like the accolade but as a fan doesn't bother me if Lukaku got it or not.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: everton1952 on May 19, 2017, 05:57:42 AM
If Rom had been fortunate enough to play with Spurs who knows how many he might have scored. 30? we will never know and similar to others, I don't care who gets the prize.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Ramjam on May 19, 2017, 06:35:44 AM
It's a pity Kane couldn't score 4 against them last season, Too little to late. Still no trophys. Why wouldn't Chelsea want Kane instead of Lukaku?
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Rhys on May 19, 2017, 12:30:13 PM
It's a pity Kane couldn't score 4 against them last season, Too little to late. Still no trophys. Why wouldn't Chelsea want Kane instead of Lukaku?

I'm sure they would, but they know they won't have a chance of getting him. Spurs wouldn't sell to them and he has no reason to leave at this point.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: GLewis on May 19, 2017, 12:49:46 PM
Plus Chelsea probably scouted him in the u20 World Cup.

They know that these 3 seasons are just a freak run of form.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Trowel on May 19, 2017, 01:14:54 PM
Plus Chelsea probably scouted him in the u20 World Cup.

They know that these 3 seasons are just a freak run of form.
He's a one career wonder.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on May 19, 2017, 01:15:37 PM
On a side note

LMFAO, ROFL & PMSL at Leicester.

Abysmal title defence.

But then again, they have won it, we haven't I am sure they aren't arsed.

It used to be fairly normal for a team who won the league to have a bit of a dip in form the next season. (not always the case, but normal). Champions league money and teams in the top 4 poaching players from all over Europe and having bigger squads changed that.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 19, 2017, 03:22:05 PM
I've seen some really shitty comments from some of our fans on social media, happy that Lukaku has been taken over by kane as he needed putting in his place.

I'm gutted for Rom and I think this will make his mind up for him, he probably knows that if he was in a better team then he would have easily won the golden boot.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: TheRam on May 19, 2017, 03:23:48 PM
I've seen some really shitty comments from some of our fans on social media, happy that Lukaku has been taken over by kane as he needed putting in his place.

I'm gutted for Rom and I think this will make his mind up for him, he probably knows that if he was in a better team then he would have easily won the golden boot.

He'll have no one else to blame but himself for not winning it.

Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Macca77 on May 19, 2017, 03:27:09 PM
Remember that season when we won the best pies award, I miss those days
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Alanvideo on May 19, 2017, 03:35:49 PM
Remember that season when we won the best pies award, I miss those days
.............yes we need to get back on the gravy train.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 03:58:41 PM
I've seen some really shitty comments from some of our fans on social media, happy that Lukaku has been taken over by kane as he needed putting in his place.

I'm gutted for Rom and I think this will make his mind up for him, he probably knows that if he was in a better team then he would have easily won the golden boot.

I'm not happy. I wanted him to win it. I am uncomfortable with your view (and probably his) that it's everyone but his fault though. He's not been very good recently
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 19, 2017, 04:28:55 PM
If Rom had been fortunate enough to play with Spurs who knows how many he might have scored. 30? we will never know and similar to others, I don't care who gets the prize.

I'd counter that by saying Kane is better than Lukaku currently. Plus he has more attributes that Poch loves (like running :O)

I love Lukaku and he scores a good proportion of his goals with his head and weaker foot but Kane exceeds him with goals from outside the box, slightly better interplay and a much larger work ethic and willingness to press

And yet I wouldn't swap them because I love Rom.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Macca77 on May 19, 2017, 04:39:51 PM
Stats don't lie, Kane is the best striker in the Premier League, his finishing and overall work rate is superb, Lukaku could learn a thing or two from him.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: D_murph0278 on May 19, 2017, 04:47:59 PM
Rom could learn a thing or two from him, you're right. The thing is, Rom gives the impression that he can learn f**k all from anyone, despite what he says in interviews to Henry and the likes. I personally don't give a s*** when he leaves, we'll carry on improving whilst Koemans here, Rom or not.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Cozzie on May 19, 2017, 04:49:31 PM
Oh boo hoo Lukaku. He downed tools last season and has done the same this season.

If he moves I hope as he is leaving he whacks his little toe on the door frame walking out, and that it hurts for ages.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Rodenplav64 on May 19, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
It doesn't really make much difference as he is off but it would have been nice that the Golden Boot winner was playing for us . I am just fucked off by Leicesters attitude towards Ranieri and to this game . There players just couldn't be arsed and there is a little part of me that wishes to see them struggle next season . Most members of the Chelsea supporters club seem to think the deal was done and dusted weeks back and it would appear so did Lukakus scoring boots . Still it was good while it lasted and we move on just as we always have .
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 19, 2017, 04:56:39 PM
I wonder if Rom had a scouse accent he would get this much blame.

I doubt spurs fans were ready to say to Kane "oh it was your fault you never got golden boot".

Whether it's right or not, I think in Lukakus head he will think hes dragged this team to 7th, nearly on his own, and if he had better players around him then he would have finished top scorer by some margin. Maybe I'm wrong and he will completely blame himself.

Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 19, 2017, 05:27:59 PM
I wonder if Rom had a scouse accent he would get this much blame.

I doubt spurs fans were ready to say to Kane "oh it was your fault you never got golden boot".

Whether it's right or not, I think in Lukakus head he will think hes dragged this team to 7th, nearly on his own, and if he had better players around him then he would have finished top scorer by some margin. Maybe I'm wrong and he will completely blame himself.



No I think you're completely right and that's his problem. Rather than roll his sleeves up and run the channels and battle he'll blame every fucker else. He's a very good goalscorer who thinks his shit doesn't stink. He could score 30 goals next season for Chelsea and still they won't love him. He needs to do more when it's not going well
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: GLewis on May 19, 2017, 05:30:56 PM
It's no-ones fault as you can't stop someone from scoring in games that you're not playing in.

Lukaku had a great run of form at home from the start of the year which really boosted his total.

He hasn't scored too many away from home since the turn of the year so the last two away games aren't due to him not being bothered or giving up.

Add in Spurs being better than us, particularly away from home and is it really surprising that Kane has continued to score?

Also any argument that he's selfish or too big for his boots is a bit nonsensical when we're talking about an individual award. Surely he'd be desperate for it if he was so self centred?

Players also have good runs of form at different points in the season.

Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: formerKHL on May 19, 2017, 05:51:16 PM
He'll have no one else to blame but himself for not winning it.

how do you work this out?....

I always thought it was a team game...and as a centre forward a lot of your goals are made for you by the team !! Granted some goals you work for yourself (ala his against Chelsea last year)......

The only thing this works out as for me is that.....if he'd of won it he would have been touted as "the golden boot winner" to potential clubs/buyers....as he's not won it he'll be touted as "the golden boot contender in a lower team".......
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: nwatson on May 19, 2017, 06:09:07 PM
He probable will think the rest of the team let him down in creating chances. Fact is he scores alot of his goals when we are already in front and teams are chasing the game leaving him some extra space. He very rarely creates that extra space himself, and perhaps if he actually tried walking the walk of a top striker instead of talking the talk, he may well have scored a few more goals. (and i,d have got my fecking bet up LOL)
I hoped we would have got another season out of him, and also thought the best thing to do was hold on to him regardless.  Unfortunately given his attitude, and lack of visible effort at times, if he isnt signing a new contract then sell him asap. with the funds we could purchase 2 strikers and someone like siggurdson to replace his goals.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 06:52:47 PM
I can't think of a player who has divided opinion so much in our recent history. I suppose their is a part of me that would like to see an Everton minus Lukaku but with a pot of cash for Koeman to use his experience and knowledge to re-invest. Only then will we see how good he was or how we as a team can progress when literally everything isn't geared towards one player.

That statement may come and bite me on the ass next season if he disappears and we flop but such is life. He's one player and his move is inevitable. As a club we're bigger than him and if we do take a step back to take two forwards then so be it. As it happens I don't think we will as 7th should be our minimum position now with where we are in the pecking order so we'd have to seriously screw up our recruitment to end up back in Martinez-territory again.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: TheRam on May 19, 2017, 06:58:45 PM
I can't think of a player who has divided opinion so much in our recent history. I suppose their is a part of me that would like to see an Everton minus Lukaku but with a pot of cash for Koeman to use his experience and knowledge to re-invest. Only then will we see how good he was or how we as a team can progress when literally everything isn't geared towards one player.

That statement may come and bite me on the ass next season if he disappears and we flop but such is life. He's one player and his move is inevitable. As a club we're bigger than him and if we do take a step back to take two forwards then so be it. As it happens I don't think we will as 7th should be our minimum position now with where we are in the pecking order so we'd have to seriously screw up our recruitment to end up back in Martinez-territory again.

Very well said
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: GLewis on May 19, 2017, 07:10:15 PM
Very well said

Or I'd like to see us with a pot of cash and Lukaku.

;)
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 19, 2017, 07:23:30 PM
I can't think of a player who has divided opinion so much in our recent history. I suppose their is a part of me that would like to see an Everton minus Lukaku but with a pot of cash for Koeman to use his experience and knowledge to re-invest. Only then will we see how good he was or how we as a team can progress when literally everything isn't geared towards one player.

That statement may come and bite me on the ass next season if he disappears and we flop but such is life. He's one player and his move is inevitable. As a club we're bigger than him and if we do take a step back to take two forwards then so be it. As it happens I don't think we will as 7th should be our minimum position now with where we are in the pecking order so we'd have to seriously screw up our recruitment to end up back in Martinez-territory again.

It's a weird one, Barkley to a lesser extent is another that people are divided on. Fuck I'm divided on both of them on a match to match basis. The key word for Rom is consistency. This mini goal rut isn't his first and he has had much larger ones. Also he's one of the best at a small range of stuff, he must be more all round complete to be considered elite (or even on a level with Kane)

Just reading then that in the period since Kane broke into the Spurs team at start of 14/15 Kane has gone 4 games without scoring a goal in Prem 3 times (which includes at the start when he was coming on as a sub)

In the same period Lukaku has gone 4 games minimum on 5 ocassions, including two 6 game goalless streaks and one 10 game streak

Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: ally2 on May 19, 2017, 07:28:30 PM
Rom goes through phases which is normal. However it is crystal clear that he is not one to close down or run the channels. That could be because he's told not to our for whatever reason he's not arsed. But I've always found it hard to warm to him because players of his equivalence do what he does and more. That and seeing his name is the transfer gossip column every week for the last two years. I'm looking forward to a more cohesive and consistent style of play throughout the team when he goes, even if it will likely take while to foster initially.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 19, 2017, 07:37:19 PM
Apparently if you take Lukaku's goals away we'd have still finished 7th. This belief he has single handedly got us there is a myth too, can we stop with that? Yeah ok he's goals may have took the wind out of teams sails and stopped a comeback but still it won't be a total disaster if he leaves

Deffo want him to stay though, which just shows how much of an enigma he is
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Ell Capitan on May 19, 2017, 07:41:40 PM
Apparently if you take Lukaku's goals away we'd have still finished 7th.

That sounds like bollocks.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Lxxx on May 19, 2017, 07:41:53 PM
Apparently if you take Lukaku's goals away we'd have still finished 7th. This belief he has single handedly got us there is a myth too, can we stop with that? Yeah ok he's goals may have took the wind out of teams sails and stopped a comeback but still it won't be a total disaster if he leaves

Deffo want him to stay though, which just shows how much of an enigma he is

Not sure real life works like those stats seem to think it does.

We've all got an opinion and there is no right or wrong one so we'll just have to see what the summer brings. Although I am confident with the structure we now have in place that if he does go we'll be in a better position to build than in recent seasons.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 19, 2017, 07:46:05 PM
That sounds like bollocks.

It does doesn't it but it's not

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/would-everton-without-lukaku-you-13057410

Like I say I do still think the goals have an impact, even if merely extending a lead. Much easier to defend a 2 goal lead with 10 minutes to go then it is a 1 goal lead. But this sort of stat should put people's minds at ease really.

Having said that, I suppose our ambition isn't to remain 7th, it's to get 4th. Think we can spread his 24 goals across 2 or 3 players and add an extra 5 - 10 on top is an achievable aim
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Mikep1878 on May 21, 2017, 02:50:58 AM
I can see Kane winning this and honestly think he deserves to, he missed a few games due to injury to, so to be top with less games played then it's fully deserved
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Bluedylan on May 21, 2017, 06:40:01 AM
I can see Kane winning this and honestly think he deserves to, he missed a few games due to injury to, so to be top with less games played then it's fully deserved

26 in 29 games apparently. Alright he takes pens and Rom doesn't, but that's still some record.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Shogun on May 21, 2017, 06:44:57 AM
Starting to think that U20 World Cup might not have been an accurate reflection of Harry Kane's ability, you know.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Zoolander on May 21, 2017, 01:01:55 PM
Kane is a weird one - can't bring myself to like him and when I watch him play I don't see a good player at all. When you look at his record though I'm clearly not seeing something.
Perhaps my deep dislike of Spurs taints everything I see of him.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 21, 2017, 02:40:28 PM
Starting to think that U20 World Cup might not have been an accurate reflection of Harry Kane's ability, you know.

Remember him on loan and then coming on for Spurs in Europa games. He genuinely looked a bit shit. Looks now like he might actually break shearers record
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 21, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
He was a proper donkey. I'm blown away by his progression. When he couldn't score at the start of the season I was confident that he'd reverted to type, but he's made me look foolish once again.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 22, 2017, 04:42:36 AM
Kane's grafted to make the improvement in the aspects of his game he looked to lack,
fair play to the spurs get
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Rhys on May 22, 2017, 05:34:23 AM
Starting to think that U20 World Cup might not have been an accurate reflection of Harry Kane's ability, you know.

I'm still 100% adamant it did reflect it at that point! But not now, the work he must have put in to get to the level he is at is incredible.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: brap2 on May 22, 2017, 05:42:42 AM
I'm still 100% adamant it did reflect it at that point! But not now, the work he must have put in to get to the level he is at is incredible.

He does still remind me of Jermaine Defoe in that I think he is just really good at getting an inch and blasting the ball extremely hard in a straight linr and on target and fair play to him, they've been incredible this year and a real template for other teams.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 22, 2017, 02:35:37 PM
you can't underestimate the importance of the creative midfielders at Spurs, which has enabled Kane to score these goals. This is where we need to improve next year.
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 22, 2017, 02:43:17 PM
Kane is amazing. He won me a couple of fantasy footy leagues yesterday so nice one, Harry

He should be a beast at the World Cup next summer, but hopefully he will stay away from corners and free kicks

One of my least favourite things is people copying that Ronaldo style of free kicks - it doesn't even work for him most of the time

Just get in the box ready for the rebounds HK!
Title: Re: Premier League Golden Boot
Post by: Macca77 on May 22, 2017, 02:49:31 PM
One season wonder that Kane fella isn't he