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Author Topic: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?  (Read 5477 times)

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August 11, 2017, 06:35:28 PM
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You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
Also the squad isn't any stronger than last year so that debate is for another day

But you must admit that the club is on a much stronger footing and more stable than at any other time in the past 30 years
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August 11, 2017, 06:36:15 PM
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I fucking despair at times at some of the stuff on here about net spend. What's the obsession with it? If we was considerably stronger with a negative spend I'd be over the moon, yet people like this @Defeatist chap would be calling moshiri a fraud.

Also, why do people fixated on net spend not take salary into consideration.

Before mosh came we did not have a player on over 100k per week. We've probably got 5 or 6 there now with new signings to come. Thats an extra 20-30 mil off the bat too. We've spent a lot on the under 23's, invested in the future, secured better sponshorship, sponshorship for the training ground, made massive leaps towards a stadium which should be ready in under 5 years.
 ???
What more do people want?

Didn't Koeman complain about our net spend last Sunday?
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August 11, 2017, 06:36:24 PM
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pjk


Really?
Because I'm pretty sure when they contacted the owners of the land where the ground is going to be built they couldn't say we don't have any money but we've got increased professionalism & know how



So Moshiri has made a difference then. As we had the money, to arrange to purchase the land?
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August 11, 2017, 06:36:54 PM
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Escla

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Please.go to GOT . Or even better RAWK.....FFS.

He wouldn't last five minutes on GOT, that's why he's here.

August 11, 2017, 06:38:35 PM
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BlueNoseMike


Didn't Koeman complain about our net spend last Sunday?

I'd say not so much moan rather than point out that we've not been the big spenders we've been presented as. Not many teams who make over 100 mil in player sales are going to have a massive net spend, that's including the likes of barca, real, etc

August 11, 2017, 06:40:43 PM
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Robioto


This club has made more progress off the field in the last 18 months than the last 10+ years. I do expect the net spend on players to be around £100m by the end of the window which was a pipe dream 2 years ago. I didn't ever expect us to go mental like Man City and Chelsea as he has not got as much money as thier owners. The positves by far out weigh the negatives, in fact I don't believe there are any neagtives:

+ Got rid of our previous shite manager and brought in a better one who has steadied the ship and got us back into Europe
+ Employed a proven Director of Football in Steve Walsh
+ Allowed us to spend more money on players and wages and cleared our debt
+ Finally sealed us a new stadium on the Mersey
+ Sorted out our sponsership deals, USM, Sport Pesa, etc
+ Invested heavily in youth and the U23 setup
+ Done Goodison up
+ Invested healvily in the scouting network, we now have over 200 scouts instead of 10-12

We are on the up, we need to be patient, huge progress has been made already. Anybody who thought Moshiri was going to come in and spank huge amounts of money on players like Man City and Chelsea you are delusional.

I'm very happy with where we've come in 18 months, the future is bright, but people thinking it was going to bring success overnight need their heads seeing to. We were and still are a long way behind the 6 clubs that finished above us last season, it will take a while to catch back up.

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August 11, 2017, 06:41:28 PM
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Escla

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Fair enough. Some valid points there although I don't think the ground is going to cost Moshiri any of his own money? Could be wrong

Why the fuck would he do it with his own money, who does ? He has enabled the funding of the project, something we could never have done without him or similar investor.

August 11, 2017, 06:44:55 PM
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You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
Also the squad isn't any stronger than last year so that debate is for another day


So when he came in you were expecting a summer transfer window where we spent £7m?

 well seems to me you are a wum  No one can be as stupid

August 11, 2017, 06:46:26 PM
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Escla

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You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
Also the squad isn't any stronger than last year so that debate is for another day

Such a clever wum this cretin, takes you to the brink with his pointless negative attacks on the club then once in a while pulls it back slightly in order to try and persuade you he's an Evertonian, bet he knows what every window on Anfield road tastes like.

August 11, 2017, 06:48:30 PM
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If I was 'Defeatist' I would be laughing my socks off at the predictability of this forum. He pulls a string and everyone jumps!!!
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump

You've got to love football forums haven't you?
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August 11, 2017, 06:53:13 PM
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blue slug


Fuck me i'm bored with this obsession with net spending, get a grip

August 11, 2017, 06:55:24 PM
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I fucking despair at times at some of the stuff on here about net spend. What's the obsession with it? If we was considerably stronger with a negative spend I'd be over the moon, yet people like this @Defeatist chap would be calling moshiri a fraud.

Also, why do people fixated on net spend not take salary into consideration.

Before mosh came we did not have a player on over 100k per week. We've probably got 5 or 6 there now with new signings to come. Thats an extra 20-30 mil off the bat too. We've spent a lot on the under 23's, invested in the future, secured better sponshorship, sponshorship for the training ground, made massive leaps towards a stadium which should be ready in under 5 years.
 ???
What more do people want?

Someone posted an excellent insider article from someone who deals with transfers (was a lawyer I think). It was made very clear that 'net spend' is a media creation and not something considered by clubs making deals. Value of deals is spread out over the course of contracts (made clear in each years financial statements, amortisation of player contracts) so the idea 'we've only spent £7m' is a non-starter.

Interesting that the OP seems to have no awareness of the substantial improvements in commercial contracts (shirt sponsor, training ground sponsor, tyre partner amongst others) and a marked lack of understanding of how big business finance works - so having no debts and much better commercial contracts, along with the ability to substantially increase our wage bill, along with the very presence of a billionaire's money and business connections, is the central reason why our daydreams of new grounds that never happen have turned into a moving plan to build a great stadium in the best possible location. The ground has to pay for itself (this is true of all clubs backed by the super rich) but now the council and banks are willing to provide the finance for this because we are no longer living beyond our means and struggling to service our debts.

Shame to OP hasn't learnt from previous experience with starting these sort of threads - which does increase the likelihood that this is trolling. Telling others what they are allowed to talk about suggests he thinks that 'creation' means 'ownership'. Which is more deluded than some of his views..

August 11, 2017, 06:58:52 PM
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You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
So when he came in you were expecting a summer transfer window where we spent £7m?

So what's the £7m we've spent then? As you are presumably not blind, you know we've spend £25m on Keane. Claiming you haven't mentioned net spend when you've quoted £7m is idiotmatic. Or trolling. You choose.  ;)

August 11, 2017, 06:59:50 PM
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KoemansNumberTens


Really?
Because I'm pretty sure when they contacted the owners of the land where the ground is going to be built they couldn't say we don't have any money but we've got increased professionalism & know how

We bought the land. I mean he's organised the ground move. That counts for something. You only seem to want to give credit of it if he pays a few hundred million out of his own pockets too

We are a better business because of him. You only want to hand credit for how much money he's thrown at it

August 11, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
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MrWhite

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Plainly... Yes

Bob may be the ideal candidate to test out the sarcastic font? Can you change his default font?  ;D