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August 13, 2017, 06:27:11 PM
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Klassen does the same job Naismith did but without the goal threat. Davies lively when he came on, DCL needs to be playing up top. Better things to come, decent start.

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August 13, 2017, 06:55:22 PM
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bogie


Think people are really under estimating DCL second half performance at centre forward against two very good and powerfully centrebacks.

He caused them a lot of problems and was up for the fight all the way through and with a bit more composure he could maybe of got on the score sheet.

He's no wide player though and today really needs to be the end of that nonsense.

he did very well all game 1st half was I think more to hold there left wingback back he never really came back Gana moved over more times than not even the goal kicks all 1st half were 50/50 going to DLC or Gana (free in the wingback spot) was this a game plan ? Erik Pieters is a good left back that likes to get up and down so him playing left wingback was to help them attack (you seen the dif in 2nd half )

anyways DLC for me did a great job that game all game but will be better in years to come (still needs game time but even when we do sign a tall CF soon)

August 13, 2017, 06:59:49 PM
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Klaassens going to take a bit of time to adapt. The games much quicker here than in Holland. I would think out of all the new signings he's going to take the longest to settle in. Of all the outfield players I think it's likely he will be the best signing of the lot. Pickfords already saved us 2 points so he looks like the best investment that we've made this Summer. Yeah I know Pickfords supposed to make saves, it's his job, but it won't be the last time he does that for us.
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August 13, 2017, 07:01:38 PM
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bogie


Sandro will be better V teams that play a high line with his pace


August 13, 2017, 07:09:37 PM
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Hard first game. Guessed it would be difficult to break them down. Strange decision to play DCL as a wing back 1st half.

Pickford 8 commanded his area, decisive save late on.

Baines 6 went missing in 1st half, much better in back four.

Williams 7 not much wrong at all, some strong challenges and good headers.

Jags 7 does what Jags does, dependable, needs passing practise though.

Keane 7 1/2 excellent defending, and moved the ball well, even had a go as a winger.

Morgan 5 really not at his best at the minute, hopefully improves soon
Gana 8 MOM ran the midfield, was everywhere, didn't give Stoke any time on the ball.

Klaasen 5 looks lost, spent most of the time chasing shadows, maybe can't play with Rooney there at the moment.

DCL 7 must never, ever play as a wing back again, although he wasn't bad, but not his position, others should be there. 2nd half much better as straight CF. Cracker of a header. Not scared or Shawcross.

Rooney 8 deserved his goal and you could see how much it meant to him. Worked hard all game, some misplaced passes. He will be an asset.

Sandro 6 hard working with little to show for it. Will improve as he gets used to the team and premier league style.

Subs:

Davies 7 lights up the games with energy and sparkle, wakes up some of the others as well.

Martina 6 hot and cold, makes good runs and crosses well, passing and heading, err well!

Mirallas 6 couple of runs not much else

Koeman 6 bizarre choice of players in strange positions 1st half, fixed it 2nd half. Wish he could make correct choices from the beginning so we didn't have to waste subs etc.


August 13, 2017, 08:10:06 PM
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Schneiderlin was very poor. Even McCarthy would be more effective. Really worried by his form.

I know most did not see his performance against Sevilla, but BESIC really impressed, if only for the last 15 minutes as a cameo. He looks stronger, proactive with intercepting, positive and ...actually passed the ball forward!

In spite of past injuries, he needs a game to prove himself.


August 13, 2017, 08:19:12 PM
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Apart from occasions that are pretty rare where you need someone to just leg it, the speed of the ball is what makes the biggest difference.


All the top teams have players to make darting runs into open spaces behind the defence. Dom has shown he can do that, also Sandro. Likewise Lookman - he is really quick. I would like to see these three up front with Rooney just behind.


August 13, 2017, 08:45:35 PM
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Strange decision to play DCL as a wing back 1st half.

Koeman 6 bizarre choice of players in strange positions 1st half, fixed it 2nd half. Wish he could make correct choices from the beginning so we didn't have to waste subs etc.

I said more or less the same before and during the match! Lost karma over it, lol. The game was exactly as expected - a struggle from start to finish! If we are going to challenge for a top 4 position, we need to start playing with belief. All this sideways, backwards passing shows a lack of creativity. We had too much of that under Roberto. He must play Lookman, Davies and Kenny - and Dom more centre.

Besic also gets my vote - he looks stronger and quicker since his return. He could play lwb, easily, or sub for Baines.

August 13, 2017, 08:46:44 PM
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Schneiderlin improved markedly with a back 4, I thought. He likes to drop in between the two CBs at times, but looked a bit lost positionally with 3 CBs.

I called this in the match thread.  As you say, we benefit from MS dropping in between the CBs and starting the play.  More often than not first half this was falling to Jagielka as the left CB and it killed us.

Stoke were happy for him to have the ball as he wasnt a threat, so kept their midfield 3 tight to our 3, completely taking away any options for Jagielka for the short ball.

It also nullified Klaassen as it took away one of the players from in front of him to link with.  He was having to drop deeper and then was isolated from Rooney and Sandro limiting the type of move that lead to our goal.  It was pretty much the first time we got DCL in a forward position, occupying the fullback, Sandro on the corner having to be covered by 2 of the CBs after he sent one for a taxi, Klaassen running to the near post taking the middle CB out of the area leaving Rooney with space in front of the right CB for a very good header.

If Gana continues to show improvement and involvemnt going forward, then teams are going to have to commit more to marking him freeing up more space for Klaassen and the forwards.

There's definite promise there, with Davies in reserve to replace tiring legs as and where needed.

The only issue is working out where a £50m Icelander fits in.
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August 13, 2017, 08:47:43 PM
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Agree with all (especially Keane comments) but would give Cuco 5 for some good crosses. His defending was scary.
Funny thing is I believe he has told Kenny he is fourth choice


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August 13, 2017, 08:48:13 PM
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I said more or less the same before and during the match! Lost karma over it, lol. The game was exactly as expected - a struggle from start to finish! If we are going to challenge for a top 4 position, we need to start playing with belief. All this sideways, backwards passing shows a lack of creativity. We had too much of that under Roberto. He must play Lookman, Davies and Kenny - and Dom more centre.

Besic also gets my vote - he looks stronger and quicker since his return. He could play lwb, easily, or sub for Baines.

We're not getting top 4.  Especially not playing all the kids you want, and definitely not playing Besic at the back.
Cordiali saluti, motherfuckers.

August 13, 2017, 08:58:21 PM
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I said more or less the same before and during the match! Lost karma over it, lol. The game was exactly as expected - a struggle from start to finish! If we are going to challenge for a top 4 position, we need to start playing with belief. All this sideways, backwards passing shows a lack of creativity. We had too much of that under Roberto. He must play Lookman, Davies and Kenny - and Dom more centre.

Besic also gets my vote - he looks stronger and quicker since his return. He could play lwb, easily, or sub for Baines.

You probably lost a lot of karma because you keep making the same mental shoit about playing Kenny, Besic, Davies and Lookman. Most of it based on a brief 15 minute showing in pre season.

August 13, 2017, 09:19:52 PM
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Really don't understand the shouts for Besic to be starting. He was very raw as it was, and that was before his long injury absence.

He's definitely a centre midfielder, his main competition is Gueye and Davies, and at a push Klassen. He can't play Schneiderlin's or Barry's role as he doesn't have the intelligence. He will be a peripheral player this season at most.

Edit: got side-tracked from my ratings, oops.

Pickford - 8 confident, great save.

Baines - 7 standard ageing Baines

Williams - 6 couple of mistakes

Jagielka - 7 would have been 8 but for a lot of misplaced passes

Keane - 8 excellent signing. Didn't realise how imposing he would be

DCL - 8 he looks like a winner

Schneiderlin - 7 first half formation nullified his qualities. Second half was back to normal

Klassen - 7 mainly for his effort, works very hard. He'll be a player when he finds his feet

Gueye - 8 probably a bit harsh to just give an 8, but that's testament to how consistently good he is. Absolute terrier.

Rooney - 9 MOTM he's a different type of player these days, deeper, but you can see his class on and off the ball. Miles ahead of Barkley in the 10 role. Tidy goal.

Sandro - 7 Nice play for the goal, worked hard. Stoke were too deep and compact for his strengths.

Subs:

Martina - 7 get off his back ffs, he's not THAT bad. Gave us a better balance when he came on, some decent crosses. We know he's a stopgap for Coleman, we're not gonna get a top quality experienced fullback to agree to come to us to be backup for Coleman. So we go for youth or an average experienced player. The transfer delegation went for the latter.

Davies - 7 nothing special, looks like he did exactly as he was instructed. Must be a manager's dream to have a lad like this. Always makes the right pass, which for a young player is rare. Combine him and Barkley and you have a superstar, but hopefully he will be in his own right.

Mirallas - 6 needed his pace. Distinctly average, like he is most of the time
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August 14, 2017, 02:31:57 AM
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I know most did not see his performance against Sevilla, but BESIC really impressed, if only for the last 15 minutes as a cameo. He looks stronger, proactive with intercepting, positive and ...actually passed the ball forward!

In spite of past injuries, he needs a game to prove himself.
I like besic a lot but feel tom Davies is the man to wake our midfield up instead of schneiderlin.

August 14, 2017, 02:36:31 AM
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Pickford 8
Williams 6
Keane 7
Jagielka 6
Dcl 7
Baines 6
Schneiderlin 6
Gueye 7
Klaasen 5
Sandro 6
Rooney 8

Martina 5
Mirallas 6
Davies 6


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