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Title: The race for Europe
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2018, 12:31:55 AM
As much as Sam might want to pretend the season is over and his job is done, we're two points off 7th place (assuming Leicester don't beat Man City) with 11 games to go. This is likely to be a European place depending on the FA Cup winner.

(https://i.imgur.com/CM32ttT.png)

Any excuse not to be at least 8th after these fixtures?
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 11, 2018, 12:34:52 AM
Shows how underrated Eddie Howe is too.

We were 2 positions higher and 10 points better off at the same stage last season.
We were 8 points off 4th at that point, we're 17 now.
Nor sure if the top 6 have got better, or the rest have just got worse.

Not sure what that means, but it's good to have a bit of useless info.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2018, 12:40:53 AM
Shows how underrated Eddie Howe is too.

We were 2 positions higher and 10 points better off at the same stage last season. Not sure what that means tbh.

The fact we're two points off with a -14 goal difference is bizarre
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 11, 2018, 12:47:45 AM
The fact we're two points off with a -14 goal difference is bizarre

Just checked again and we had a 14+ goal difference at the same stage last season  shakeyheadman



Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2018, 12:53:22 AM
That's because we don't have a striker and we've been thrashed more times this season than any I can remember.

We'll still be ninth at best after that run above. Leicester and Burnley have easier games than us.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 11, 2018, 12:58:21 AM
How the fuck are we even thinking about Europe
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: American Evertonian on February 11, 2018, 01:12:34 AM
How the fuck are we even thinking about Europe

I know it sounds crazy but only 4 of our next 11 games are teams above us and the other 7 are mostly against relegation candidates (granted that's essentially the bottom 8-9 teams with as close as it is).
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: School of Science on February 11, 2018, 01:35:17 AM
Trouble is if we get Europe, ( incredible to even think that after this season ) does that mean Allardyce stays, can we sack him, seriously ?
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2018, 01:37:34 AM
Trouble is if we get Europe, ( incredible to even think that after this season ) does that mean Allardyce stays, can we sack him, seriously ?

Be a nightmare to sucede and not be able to sack the manager. Worrying times
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: gizzblue on February 11, 2018, 01:38:56 AM
I know it sounds crazy but only 4 of our next 11 games are teams above us and the other 7 are mostly against relegation candidates (granted that's essentially the bottom 8-9 teams with as close as it is).
Yeah but this end of the season playing the shite can be harder than top six as they are scrabbling for their lives .
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Escla on February 11, 2018, 01:39:57 AM
Trouble is if we get Europe, ( incredible to even think that after this season ) does that mean Allardyce stays, can we sack him, seriously ?

Ask Ranieri !
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: School of Science on February 11, 2018, 01:47:58 AM
Ask Ranieri !

Wouldn't mind Ranieri as manager.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: GLewis on February 11, 2018, 01:49:46 AM
Trouble is if we get Europe, ( incredible to even think that after this season ) does that mean Allardyce stays, can we sack him, seriously ?

Lípool won the LC and reached FA cup final with Dalglish but still sacked him.

Obviously worry about this ďifĒ it did happen but weíd need to look at how far off top 6; what points would we have got across a whole season; what were performances like vs top 6; what was performance compared to rest of the league from when he took over etc etc.

Thatís before you get into is it healthy to have someone who gets booed for making unpopular subs at 3-0 up.

Last season we were a long way in front of 8th so we need to measuring against things like are we weíll set to easily be the next best team and most likely to break into top 6.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Escla on February 11, 2018, 01:51:08 AM
Just hope to god we donít qualify for Europe in 7th place and go through that whole shit of starting the season in June again, letís get this season over with, have a manager in place by June and have a proper pre season.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2018, 01:52:42 AM
I know what youíre saying but not wanting to be in Europe just so weíre in a better position to qualify for it next season seems illogical.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: School of Science on February 11, 2018, 01:53:48 AM
Just hope to god we donít qualify for Europe in 7th place and go through that whole shit of starting the season in June again, letís get this season over with, have a manager in place by June and have a proper pre season.

Still think half the problems we had this year was buying too many players and trying to integrate them all into the team.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Escla on February 11, 2018, 01:56:06 AM
I know what youíre saying but not wanting to be in Europe just so weíre in a better position to qualify for it next season seems illogical.

Qualifying for Europe in 5th or as FA cup winners is a whole different ball game.l
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: GLewis on February 11, 2018, 01:57:08 AM
I know what youíre saying but not wanting to be in Europe just so weíre in a better position to qualify for it next season seems illogical.

Especially as weíre unlikely to jump from 8th to 4th.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2018, 02:21:00 AM
I know what youíre saying but not wanting to be in Europe just so weíre in a better position to qualify for it next season seems illogical.

Itís logical if you donít think weíre ready to compete on multiple fronts yet.

Iíd much rather get into Europe on the back of a really good PL season with a growing confidence of a functioning team than limp after one like this and risk another season like this where weíve moved from the best of the rest (of the top teams) to the best of the rest (mediocrity in the rest of the league).

Above all else we need a good PL season next year and try and close the gap to the teams we want to be competing with above us.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: van der Meyde on February 11, 2018, 02:30:14 AM
Itís logical if you donít think weíre ready to compete on multiple fronts yet.
Cherry picking here, but what do you think it would require for us to be able to compete on multiple fronts?
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: gizzblue on February 11, 2018, 02:36:13 AM
Cherry picking here, but what do you think it would require for us to be able to compete on multiple fronts?
About five players in a couple of lazy cunts out ....oh and a new manager and dof
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 11, 2018, 02:43:20 AM
We get 6th and Allardyce gets a 12 month extension. Can't see any other scenario to be honest.

We are far too inconsistent and our confidence is still shot though. So we aren't getting sixth.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2018, 02:43:55 AM
Cherry picking here, but what do you think it would require for us to be able to compete on multiple fronts?

A more competitive squad, for instance we seem like we have one functioning line up for midfield this season and when we donít play certain players we donít have the depth to adequately replace them. We see already how important Walcott is to us, and itís a pretty big drop in quality right now if weíre throwing in Bolasie instead. A settled/composed defence would also be nice. A team that has proven it can compete with the bigger clubs in the PL so weíre ready for the tougher games in the Europa League. Likely a different manager who also has shown they can compete on that sort of level too.

Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2018, 02:46:50 AM
Cherry picking here, but what do you think it would require for us to be able to compete on multiple fronts?

A centre-back, a left back, and a manager who'll play the players we bought in 2017.

Same as we needed at the start of this season.  Had we got them, this season would have been completely different.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Bluedylan on February 11, 2018, 02:49:36 AM
We get 6th and Allardyce gets a 12 month extension. Can't see any other scenario to be honest.

We are far too inconsistent and our confidence is still shot though. So we aren't getting sixth.

Even the mention of 6th is preposterous. Arsenal are 11 pts ahead and a much, much better team. I'd still back them to finish above us, if we were 11 pts ahead of them.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 11, 2018, 02:55:27 AM
Even the mention of 6th is preposterous. Arsenal are 11 pts ahead and a much, much better team. I'd still back them to finish above us, if we were 11 pts ahead of them.

True. Didn't do the sums there haha.
My point is now even more true - if we finish sixth then Allardyce will be lauded haha.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: van der Meyde on February 11, 2018, 02:55:32 AM
A more competitive squad, for instance we seem like we have one functioning line up for midfield this season and when we donít play certain players we donít have the depth to adequately replace them. We see already how important Walcott is to us, and itís a pretty big drop in quality right now if weíre throwing in Bolasie instead.
Do we need that added competition for places if we don't have the extra games? If we're only playing in the domestic competitions, are there enough minutes to keep everyone happy? I mean, that drop from Walcott to Bolasie is actually a fair bit better than most teams have.

A team that has proven it can compete with the bigger clubs in the PL so weíre ready for the tougher games in the Europa League.
Will we be able to attract the players needed to compete with the bigger clubs in the PL if we don't have Europa League? Say Leicester finish ahead of us in 7th, why exactly would a player choose to come to us over them? On the other side of things, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest playing the tougher Europa League games more regularly would actually leave us better prepared for games against the top 6.

A settled/composed defence would also be nice. Likely a different manager who also has shown they can compete on that sort of level too.
Agree with these.

Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: van der Meyde on February 11, 2018, 02:57:32 AM
A centre-back, a left back, and a manager who'll play the players we bought in 2017.

Same as we needed at the start of this season.  Had we got them, this season would have been completely different.
I don't see any reason to wait a whole year to do that! Might as well do it this summer... ;)
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2018, 03:02:21 AM
I would be very surprised if we get 7th. Itíll probably be Leicester.

But I hope we do get it. Weíll at least know what itís about if we do.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2018, 03:47:55 AM
Trouble is if we get Europe, ( incredible to even think that after this season ) does that mean Allardyce stays, can we sack him, seriously ?

Absolutely. The top clubs sack managers all the time if better ones become available. Same with players. The elite clubs strengthen when they're doing well, it's the opportune time to upgrade. We need to stop thinking like the old Everton.
Title: The race for Europe
Post by: Ramjam on February 11, 2018, 03:50:35 AM
I would be very surprised if we get 7th. It'll probably be Leicester.

But I hope we do get it. We'll at least know what it's about if we do.
Leicester had to take their medicine against Man City the same way as we did against Arsenal so I don't see them as any better than us. No reason we can't finish 7th now providing BFS doesn't start to tamper with team selections again
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2018, 05:30:30 AM
Do we need that added competition for places if we don't have the extra games? If we're only playing in the domestic competitions, are there enough minutes to keep everyone happy? I mean, that drop from Walcott to Bolasie is actually a fair bit better than most teams have.
Will we be able to attract the players needed to compete with the bigger clubs in the PL if we don't have Europa League? Say Leicester finish ahead of us in 7th, why exactly would a player choose to come to us over them? On the other side of things, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest playing the tougher Europa League games more regularly would actually leave us better prepared for games against the top 6.
Agree with these.



These are all solid points.

On the playing time issue, do you think players if they are only playing in the EL see that as equal time to playing in the PL? I take your point in general more games, particularly for up and coming players is beneficial. I suppose overall Iím saying I want to make sure we can walk before we try to run. Get a starting XI right, which I think weíre still a a few players away from, get a solid bench that gives you options. We should have enough domestic games to keep 18-20 players happy.

As to why Leicester or us, probably only money right now. I doubt in general think the EL is anything like the pull the CL is though, itís a nicety.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2018, 05:34:22 AM
What would people want out of the following two options;

1. We have a strong finish to the season, get 7th, qualify for Europe and allardyce stays on for another year.

2. We flounder to 9th, allardyce is gone and we get a new manager in and start again.

As much as I don't want him here next year, you have to say if he gets us Europe he probably deserves to stay on. Although I'd like us to show some balls and get rid whatever happens.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 11, 2018, 05:43:54 AM
We get to 7th, Allardyce and Walsh are bombed off. A new clued up DoF is appointed and a modern manager
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2018, 05:47:04 AM
What would people want out of the following two options;

1. We have a strong finish to the season, get 7th, qualify for Europe and allardyce stays on for another year.

2. We flounder to 9th, allardyce is gone and we get a new manager in and start again.

As much as I don't want him here next year, you have to say if he gets us Europe he probably deserves to stay on. Although I'd like us to show some balls and get rid whatever happens.

Always want us to finish as high as possible.

Ideally itíd be 7th, but Iíd rather this year that wouldnít mean Europa League, we get a new manager in with enough time to prepare for the season, and also time to identify and fix the more glaring issues in the squad. We canít forget how many games this season weíve been torn apart and conceded so many goals, there are still real issues with this squad and manager.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 11, 2018, 06:06:32 AM
We are going to get Europe aren't we haha. The Premier League Is so shit.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: phillyt on February 11, 2018, 06:30:10 AM
I donít get this aversion to the EL qualifiers. The teams we draw against will be, with the right recruitment at least, easy games. Itís two actual competitive games (unless you batter the opposition in the 1st leg) within pre-season. You know when the games are going to be, give or take. So plan a pre season tour around those dates. Iím not talking some random trip to Africa and a couple of games in Holland. Go to America or Australia, find out where the barcelona, real, Bayernís of the world are going. Try to get in on their tour schedule somehow. Or go to South America, play everton vina del mar, chapocoense And try bagging an mls team Into a tournament. Fly back, batter the champions of Andorra 8-1 (canít keep clean sheets can we).

I can understand the argument if we started well and dropped off about now.but even then, in reality itís two pre season games.

When that brown shoed Catalan twat was here we excused appalling league form because we were ďfocusing on EuropeĒ
And this season has apparantly been fucked because we played ruzemberok before the season started.

As a fan base we need to stop letting EL excuse piss poor managers/players. Just finish as high up as we can if itís europa league great. No way allardyce and his gang of scientific footballing fucktards will be here next season either way.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: gizzblue on February 11, 2018, 07:01:46 AM
Leicester had to take their medicine against Man City the same way as we did against Arsenal so I don't see them as any better than us. No reason we can't finish 7th now providing BFS doesn't start to tamper with team selections again
Watford next is it away, so a five at the back and two or three dms a la Sams shithouse away form .👍
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2018, 02:12:53 PM
We get to 7th, Allardyce and Walsh are bombed off. A new clued up DoF is appointed and a modern manager

I donít see why people think this isnít an acceptable way to go for a club with any ambition.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: van der Meyde on February 11, 2018, 03:16:37 PM
These are all solid points.

On the playing time issue, do you think players if they are only playing in the EL see that as equal time to playing in the PL? I take your point in general more games, particularly for up and coming players is beneficial. I suppose overall Iím saying I want to make sure we can walk before we try to run. Get a starting XI right, which I think weíre still a a few players away from, get a solid bench that gives you options. We should have enough domestic games to keep 18-20 players happy.

As to why Leicester or us, probably only money right now. I doubt in general think the EL is anything like the pull the CL is though, itís a nicety.
Ideally I don't think it would be a case of some only playing league, some only playing Europe. Even keeping a settled side, there would be a natural level of rotation from injuries/fatigue.

I suspect I think we're a little closer to a decent starting 11 than you do though. Taking yesterday's team as a basis, I reckon we could make a decent fist of things if we just brought in a left back we could rely on and a natural midfielder to replace Rooney. There will still be plenty of room for improvement at centre half/up front, but we've found a system that works alright. The quality of our players will see us through in most of our home league matches (as we've seen this and last year).

Playing in the Europa does present disadvantages obviously, I wouldn't deny that. I think our biggest issues have stemmed not from the number of games and limited preparation for league matches, but from missing our 3 best players from last season (replacing just one of them) and an unsettled team.

I guess it would also help if people were able to estimate the costs of being in the Europa League. I don't think it costs us much at all as far as domestic cups go for example. If we're the 7th best team in the country, with quite a gap to the top 6, it's going to take a lot of luck to win something. In the league? Well, with no Europe, no cups and one of the best strikers in the world last season we won 61 points. We're on course for around 48 this season and picked up that under Martinez. If we're being really generous then, being in Europe might cost us 10-15 points at the absolute maximum. We are nowhere near close enough to the teams above us to be able to take advantage of that gap just yet.

I struggle to see Europa League as anything other than a good thing at this stage. It brings additional exposure and awareness, which translates into more commercial money. It's now beginning to bring in reasonable amounts of money in prize/broadcasting revenue. It provides us with additional opportunities to play younger players. It gives us an additional shot at reaching the CL, however far fetched that is. And if we ever were to reach the CL, it would benefit us to already having a squad/manager used to playing that regularly.

I'd love for us to get back in it.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 11, 2018, 03:56:01 PM
Honestly, thereís a massive disconnect between expectations on here around the chances of SA being fired and the reality.

He was already talking yesterday about making plans for next season.

There is no appetite at the top of the club to fire SA if meets or exceeds their expectations. Which he will.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: eugene on February 11, 2018, 04:35:45 PM
Honestly, there's a massive disconnect between expectations on here around the chances of SA being fired and the reality.

He was already talking yesterday about making plans for next season.

There is no appetite at the top of the club to fire SA if meets or exceeds their expectations. Which he will.
I agree I think our board are just happy for some stability, we have had the most unsettled time since Walker and Smith these last couple of years. Mosh has tried to bankroll a team to fast track to the top of the PL and it has failed miserably. Letís regroup stand back and learn
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2018, 04:36:24 PM
Honestly, thereís a massive disconnect between expectations on here around the chances of SA being fired and the reality.

He was already talking yesterday about making plans for next season.

There is no appetite at the top of the club to fire SA if meets or exceeds their expectations. Which he will.

He wasn't really. It was a half arsed attempt at mentioning forward planning, after first saying let's get to 40 points. Which in itself was an absurd statement to be making in public for a team 2 points off 7th.

Anyone can aim for the gutter and proclaim success when we don't fall that low.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Polledreng on February 11, 2018, 04:39:26 PM
We get to 7th, Allardyce and Walsh are bombed off. A new clued up DoF is appointed and a modern manager
this all Day long Think it will happen aswell
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Redartin on February 11, 2018, 08:31:48 PM
I think Aldardyce is as deluded as a shite supporter.

He really believes his own press, that he is the saviour of teams facing the drop. It will be really interesting to see what happens when we reach "safety" in his eyes. Will he push on and try and secure a 7th (dizzy heights in his world), or will he then start experimenting with youth and untried tactics and end up nearer 17th, (his comfort zone).

In the very very unlikely scenario of him being sacked, how much will that cost? Was he muted to be on 9m for 18 months? So come the summer, when he has 12 months of his contract left, will he be due 6m?

On Walsh, does any one known how he is employed, is it a contract for a specific term?
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2018, 08:59:12 PM
I think Aldardyce is as deluded as a shite supporter.

He really believes his own press, that he is the saviour of teams facing the drop. It will be really interesting to see what happens when we reach "safety" in his eyes. Will he push on and try and secure a 7th (dizzy heights in his world), or will he then start experimenting with youth and untried tactics and end up nearer 17th, (his comfort zone).

In the very very unlikely scenario of him being sacked, how much will that cost? Was he muted to be on 9m for 18 months? So come the summer, when he has 12 months of his contract left, will he be due 6m?

On Walsh, does any one known how he is employed, is it a contract for a specific term?


Is he not the saviour of teams facing the drop? Has he not repeatedly done that? The actual well documented truth is he hates his own press
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Alanvideo on February 11, 2018, 09:13:58 PM
Honestly, there’s a massive disconnect between expectations on here around the chances of SA being fired and the reality.

He was already talking yesterday about making plans for next season.

There is no appetite at the top of the club to fire SA if meets or exceeds their expectations. Which he will.
...............he's hardly likely to say he won't be here next season so no point in planning . All the same ,I'm pretty sure SA will be gone . I'm sure he was brought in as a stopgap but wouldn't accept a contract of less than 18 months.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: van der Meyde on February 11, 2018, 10:13:50 PM
I really like the way this site combines the league table with remaining fixtures:

http://www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england&stats=9-Everton

Given our away form, I think I'd much rather have Leicester's run in (5 homes, 3 aways against teams below them) than ours (3 homes, 5 aways against teams below us). Think we'll need to pick up a couple of away wins if we're to stand a chance of 7th personally.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: cantoffee on February 11, 2018, 10:22:42 PM
I really like the way this site combines the league table with remaining fixtures:

http://www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england&stats=9-Everton

Given our away form, I think I'd much rather have Leicester's run in (5 homes, 3 aways against teams below them) than ours (3 homes, 5 aways against teams below us). Think we'll need to pick up a couple of away wins if we're to stand a chance of 7th personally.
Yea, if we can't win a couple away games we won't reach 7th.

I would think we should be playing just about the same team we did yesterday even away from home to give us a chance. No sense changing everything all over again for each away in an attempt to stumble upon a successful away formation/tactics.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Macca77 on February 12, 2018, 03:02:24 PM
The Burnley game could be the decider
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 11:16:07 PM
How the fuck are we even thinking about Europe

its Big Sam man he creeps up on you
Big Sam he is  the man with a plan you know

Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 13, 2018, 11:26:06 PM
its Big Sam man he creeps up on you
Big Sam he is  the man with a plan you know
Trying too hard now
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 13, 2018, 11:41:56 PM
Trying too hard now

lol

here how is lookman going in are 1st team I did tell you back then he needed to go out on loan lol
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 14, 2018, 07:42:59 PM
lol

Here how is Lookman doing in our 1st team ? I did tell you back then he needed to go out on loan . lol

Two wrongs don't make a right .
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Lxxx on February 14, 2018, 07:47:05 PM
Watford, Burnley, Brighton and Stoke as next four we should be aiming for a minimum of 6 points from those. If we've learnt anything from the West Brom and Bournemouth games it's that we need to focus on our own game away from home and not chop and change to cater for teams who don't have as much quality as we have. We undoubtedly will though.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 14, 2018, 10:43:05 PM
Two wrongs don't make a right .

yes they were wrong not to send him out in the summer and he was wrong not to go to Derby , so the way he has been handled was not right so you spot on there
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: gizzblue on February 14, 2018, 10:51:12 PM
yes they were wrong not to send him out in the summer and he was wrong not to go to Derby , so the way he has been handled was not right so you spot on there
Yeah how dare he show enthusiasm or belief in himself going abroad...cheeky bastard .
Does he not know it's the shithouse way or the highway ...I mean yes his manager worked with some of the best .....oh wait scratch that some of the shittest clubs in the premiership ....and has a 100% record at international level ...all 1 games of it .
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: TheRam on February 14, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Watford, Burnley, Brighton and Stoke as next four we should be aiming for a minimum of 6 points from those. If we've learnt anything from the West Brom and Bournemouth games it's that we need to focus on our own game away from home and not chop and change to cater for teams who don't have as much quality as we have. We undoubtedly will though.

I want 8 points at the very least from those games.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 15, 2018, 12:28:28 AM
Yeah how dare he show enthusiasm or belief in himself going abroad...cheeky bastard .
Does he not know it's the shithouse way or the highway ...I mean yes his manager worked with some of the best .....oh wait scratch that some of the shittest clubs in the premiership ....and has a 100% record at international level ...all 1 games of it .


I will leave it up to you to count the mins he get on the pitch then
and what the fuck has it do to with his managers record with England or clubs he has been at before
you are Big Sam in the head get over it (if a dog shit on your doorstep you would find away for putting on Sam )
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Goaljira on February 15, 2018, 12:38:44 AM
Watford, Burnley, Brighton and Stoke as next four we should be aiming for a minimum of 6 points from those. If we've learnt anything from the West Brom and Bournemouth games it's that we need to focus on our own game away from home and not chop and change to cater for teams who don't have as much quality as we have. We undoubtedly will though.

We should be 'aiming' for 12 points from those.  We won't get 12, but theres not a game there we shouldnt be going out to win.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on February 15, 2018, 12:40:58 AM
Ideally DWWD 8pts  away games won't be easy so 8 would be good

but as title of thread of cause we need europe , no point not having a go , only for it to be are priorty the next season,  take it while you can-

get a balanced bloody squad and forget trying to set up mega friendlies after the WC as no way will we be invited to take part in the televised tournaments-
we needed to treat qualifying leg this season a lot better -
i believe if we had won 1st legs comfortablly this season players would have been a lot fitter and organised ( instead of having to play same strong IV) all the time cos we only drew or narrowly won)
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Lxxx on February 15, 2018, 12:47:50 AM
We should be 'aiming' for 12 points from those.  We won't get 12, but theres not a game there we shouldnt be going out to win.

I agree but our away form the past 12 months has been shocking and the way Sam sets us up away from home means the likelihood of us winning a game of football is even slimmer. At the very least we shouldn't be losing those games therefore the bare minimum return should be 6 points under him.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: gizzblue on February 15, 2018, 12:48:08 AM
I will leave it up to you to count the mins he get on the pitch then
and what the fuck has it do to with his managers record with England or clubs he has been at before
you are Big Sam in the head get over it (if a dog shit on your doorstep you would find away for putting on Sam )
I've seen him walking his career past our's and Sammy lee on a leash thats why the shit is on my doorstep and our clubs .
What's it got to do with Sams record as a manager ....an 18 old kid has no respect for the dinosaur ... if he'd done anything of note whatsoever in his career not just dodge trouble both in his football and the dealing with players and agents and "ahem" his sons backhanders then maybe just maybe that respect (he never shows players ever) would be shown to him  .....

Maybe ....but I wouldn't hold my breath .
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Goaljira on February 15, 2018, 12:54:05 AM
I agree but our away form the past 12 months has been shocking and the way Sam sets us up away from home means the likelihood of us winning a game of football is even slimmer. At the very least we shouldn't be losing those games therefore the bare minimum return should be 6 points under him.

Thats the difference between 'should' and 'will' though.  We should be setting out to win the games.  Allardyce won't do that because;
A)It's not in his interest not to drag out getting to 40 points
B)He's a shithouse still thinking he's managing Sunderland

If he doesnt think we'll get 7th right now then he'll carry on with going for the home games and trying to kill the aways.  If he says we're going for 7th and doesnt get it then he's failed.  If he drags it out making it look hard then he can keep up with his 'Well Everton have been shite away from home long before i got here...' spiel as an excuse.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 15, 2018, 12:55:46 AM
I've seen him walking his career past our's and Sammy lee on a leash thats why the shit is on my doorstep and our clubs .
What's it got to do with Sams record as a manager ....an 18 old kid has no respect for the dinosaur ... if he'd done anything of note whatsoever in his career not just dodge trouble both in his football and the dealing with players and agents and "ahem" his sons backhanders then maybe just maybe that respect (he never shows players ever) would be shown to him  .....

Maybe ....but I wouldn't hold my breath .

we loaned a player to AC Milan could you tell me were he is playing his football now

Lookman is gone not just on loan gone form the club sorry if you cant see that
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Lxxx on February 15, 2018, 12:55:55 AM
Thats the difference between 'should' and 'will' though.  We should be setting out to win the games.  Allardyce won't do that because;
A)It's not in his interest not to drag out getting to 40 points
B)He's a shithouse still thinking he's managing Sunderland

If he doesnt think we'll get 7th right now then he'll carry on with going for the home games and trying to kill the aways.  If he says we're going for 7th and doesnt get it then he's failed.  If he drags it out making it look hard then he can keep up with his 'Well Everton have been shite away from home long before i got here...' spiel as an excuse.

I agree which is why I think him and mentality should be nowhere near a club that has aspirations on progressing as a club and chasing the top 6.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: gizzblue on February 15, 2018, 01:03:59 AM
we loaned a player to AC Milan could you tell me were he is playing his football now

Lookman is gone not just on loan gone form the club sorry if you cant see that
But again you don't see the woods for the trees....Sam doesn't believe in youth any kid worth his salt would want out....you could say contrary judging by this season here but ... if BFS had any choice none of the kids would've got a look in.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 15, 2018, 01:14:39 AM
But again you don't see the woods for the trees....Sam doesn't believe in youth any kid worth his salt would want out....you could say contrary judging by this season here but ... if BFS had any choice none of the kids would've got a look in.

lol woods for the trees pot kettle
it was Lookman that picked to go there after talking to there DoF for game time you really cant say going there over Derby was the right call if all it is really about game time and nothing more

your hate for Sam is blinding you
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Lxxx on February 15, 2018, 01:16:10 AM
But again you don't see the woods for the trees....Sam doesn't believe in youth any kid worth his salt would want out....you could say contrary judging by this season here but ... if BFS had any choice none of the kids would've got a look in.

I don't think he would be against kids as a general rule it's just that his safety first attitude and 'they cost £xm quid so I'll play them' mentality means he's going to favour experience over anything else. He's a retired football manager so he's not going to change his views now, we knew what we were getting when we hired him. Moshiri even read his autobiography so nothing should come as a shock.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 15, 2018, 01:52:24 AM
No evidence to say he is against our kids is there?  Given the size of the squad he inherited he could have got by with hardly any of them on the pitch.
No, he's not retired he's working full time.
They cost £Xm quid so I'll play them? Klaasen, Sandro, Tosun, Keane Mirallas,  Besic and Vlasic?

I accept he's not popular, probably never will be, but the dislike is overriding objectivity.

Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 15, 2018, 06:57:30 AM
If we get 7th I like to think the club would still part ways with the current management team.

I think the state we were in when we took Allardyce on justified his appointment. Our season was over in terms of any hope for success, and we were looking over our shoulder at the relegation zone shipping shit loads of goals.

But we're even further away from the top 6 than we were last season and Sam isn't the man to help us break it. Now that we're safe (almost), attention needs to turn to finding our own Pochettino. Oh and that useless cunt Walsh can fuck off too.. what even is he?
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 15, 2018, 01:46:21 PM
If we get 7th I like to think the club would still part ways with the current management team.

I think the state we were in when we took Allardyce on justified his appointment. Our season was over in terms of any hope for success, and we were looking over our shoulder at the relegation zone shipping shit loads of goals.

But we're even further away from the top 6 than we were last season and Sam isn't the man to help us break it. Now that we're safe (almost), attention needs to turn to finding our own Pochettino. Oh and that useless cunt Walsh can fuck off too.. what even is he?

are you a yes man at work aswell
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 15, 2018, 07:36:43 PM
are you a yes man at work aswell

Hmm, depends on the situation. Are you recruiting?
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: School of Science on February 16, 2018, 02:10:54 PM
Every time I see the title of this thread " The race for Europe " and the average clubs competing for seventh place. I think of a race between two tortoises and a snail, sigh.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: gizzblue on February 16, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
are you a yes man at work aswell
This from a yes 'Sam' man 😅😅.

Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Shogun on February 18, 2018, 02:35:36 AM
Suspect FA Cup draw means the last four of the FA Cup could be of the current top six.

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/964955513715937281
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 18, 2018, 02:39:16 AM
Perfect draw. Almost certainly 7th will be a Europa cup place now. Do think Leicester are better than us though.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Shogun on February 18, 2018, 02:41:26 AM
Perfect draw. Almost certainly 7th will be a Europa cup place now. Do think Leicester are better than us though.

I think they look better than are.

Basically the opposite of us.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 18, 2018, 03:23:35 AM
I think they look better than are.

Basically the opposite of us.

Just think in Marhez and Vardy they have a level of player we don't. We probably are quite a bit better after that but we need a star or 2
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: TheRam on February 18, 2018, 03:25:33 AM
Just think in Marhez and Vardy they have a level of player we don't. We probably are quite a bit better after that but we need a star or 2

We'll probably end up finishing above them I reckon which is a bit mad as I think they have a boss team.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Aberblue on February 18, 2018, 05:15:37 AM
We must beat Burnley. Looking at our away record it won't be easy.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Macca77 on February 18, 2018, 05:22:32 AM
We must beat Burnley. Looking at our away record it won't be easy.

Burney haven't won for a while, then they play us, we all know the rest
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Redartin on February 18, 2018, 05:24:31 AM
Burney haven't won for a while, then they play us, we all know the rest

They'll blame their poor form on us being linked with Dyche like Watford did with Silva.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: GLewis on February 18, 2018, 03:57:22 PM
We must beat Burnley. Looking at our away record it won't be easy.

Iíd back us to out point Burnley across the rest of the season so Iíd say drawing that isnít the worst result in terms of overtaking them.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: sirblue57 on February 18, 2018, 05:07:34 PM
lol woods for the trees pot kettle
it was Lookman that picked to go there after talking to there DoF for game time you really cant say going there over Derby was the right call if all it is really about game time and nothing more

your hate for Sam is blinding you

I think there is enough evidence to say the youth don't feel they a get fair deal with Sam. Scheiderlin getting games over Davies for one. I understand Davies is young and inconsistent, bit scheiderlin has been dog shit, as had Williams. So when lookman was told to look elsewhere for game time, would you take Sam's or walshs recomendations?
I wouldn't, I would take it as I'm not wanted so get the best for MY career, there is a shadow over Sam, I don't want it over our club.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 18, 2018, 05:24:50 PM
I think there is enough evidence to say the youth don't feel they a get fair deal with Sam. Scheiderlin getting games over Davies for one. I understand Davies is young and inconsistent, bit scheiderlin has been dog shit, as had Williams. So when lookman was told to look elsewhere for game time, would you take Sam's or walshs recomendations?
I wouldn't, I would take it as I'm not wanted so get the best for MY career, there is a shadow over Sam, I don't want it over our club.

not getting into the fact that Davies started the last game and Scheiderlin did not I will let you work that one out ]

Davies is 19 had not been playing well for a bit dropped , rested what ever has come back better for it

at one point we were playing with 4 under 23,s (under 21 I think it is really ) in the starting line up blows that cliam right out of the water and never mind the other 2 on the bench

and on Sam over all he has at every club helped in bringing young player into the 1st team

my few on young players will always be the same they need to play both 1st team and under 23,s

Sam did not tell Lookman to look elsewhere for game time Lookman came and asked if he could look elsewhere for game time then went to a team he will not get much game time over a team he would which brings up a whole new kettle of worms
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 18, 2018, 05:29:13 PM
I don't think we've any young players who've been particularly good this season. No one is particularly deserving of a place and not getting it. Though I would like to see Davies more as well

Lookmans a funny 1. Throughout his short Everton career he'd come on as sub do really well. Then he'd get more minutes the next week and be beyond useless. The loan move is absolutely the wrong move for him. Common sense says you go on loan to a level where you become an important part of the team. If the minutes he's getting there continue as they are then they'd look to loan him out if he was their player
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: sirblue57 on February 18, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
not getting into the fact that Davies started the last game and Scheiderlin did not I will let you work that one out ]

Davies is 19 had not been playing well for a bit dropped , rested what ever has come back better for it

at one point we were playing with 4 under 23,s (under 21 I think it is really ) in the starting line up blows that cliam right out of the water and never mind the other 2 on the bench

and on Sam over all he has at every club helped in bringing young player into the 1st team

my few on young players will always be the same they need to play both 1st team and under 23,s

Sam did not tell Lookman to look elsewhere for game time Lookman came and asked if he could look elsewhere for game time then went to a team he will not get much game time over a team he would which brings up a whole new kettle of worms

So you think scheiderlin is deserving of a place? Even though his form has been worse than Davies?
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: gizzblue on February 18, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
So you think scheiderlin is deserving of a place? Even though his form has been worse than Davies?
Not fit at the min to wear the shirt ....he could be but it's not showing .
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 18, 2018, 07:05:57 PM
So you think scheiderlin is deserving of a place? Even though his form has been worse than Davies?

is that a question or a statement
can you tell me were I said that

me I would play beni when Davies needs a rest as the defence side of it and Davy klaassen as the attacking side of it just what ever we need at the time
I don't want to see Tom Davies in a defence mid roll I want to see him up the pitch more
we need to stop playing with 2 DM players
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Alanvideo on February 18, 2018, 07:57:41 PM
Looking at the remaining fixtures of EFC ,Burnley and Leicester , there's not much in it. All 3 teams play mostly bottom half opposition with only 2 top 6 games each. Burnley and Leicester play each other so a draw would help us. It's essential we win at Burnley then concentrate on catching Leicester. I reckon we need 5 wins and I'm not counting on anything from the home games v.City and the shite.
Last game we're away to WHU and Leicester are at Spurs.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 18, 2018, 08:17:50 PM
I hope we don't qualify for Europe because..
A: Fat head will be seen as a success and could stay.
B: It's a distraction from building for next season.
C: Currently we're not good enough to do ourselves justice.

But mainly A
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: van der Meyde on February 18, 2018, 09:59:13 PM
I hope we don't qualify for Europe because..
A: Fat head will be seen as a success and could stay.
B: It's a distraction from building for next season.
C: Currently we're not good enough to do ourselves justice.

But mainly A
If we finish 7th will fat head not have been a success?
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 18, 2018, 10:15:21 PM
If we finish 7th will fat head not have been a success?

On paper but aided by other teams being shitter then us. Do you seriously think he's out future? He plans to lose some games in the hope he'll survive playing teams worse than us. Remember the West Brom, Burnley and Southampton games? Get safe, get shut.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: blargins on February 18, 2018, 10:15:26 PM
If we finish 7th will fat head not have been a success?

I think it would be more the rest of the league will have been a failure.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: van der Meyde on February 18, 2018, 10:31:40 PM
On paper but aided by other teams being shitter then us. Do you seriously think he's out future? He plans to lose some games in the hope he'll survive playing teams worse than us. Remember the West Brom, Burnley and Southampton games? Get safe, get shut.
No, I don't think he's our future. Neither do I particularly hope he's our manager next season.

I do think he'll have been a fairly successful interim appointment if he guides us to 7th though.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: sirblue57 on February 18, 2018, 10:32:03 PM
is that a question or a statement
can you tell me were I said that

me I would play beni when Davies needs a rest as the defence side of it and Davy klaassen as the attacking side of it just what ever we need at the time
I don't want to see Tom Davies in a defence mid roll I want to see him up the pitch more
we need to stop playing with 2 DM players
A statement if you like. But it makes my point. He would rather play a vastly underachieving player than give youth an extended run.even at his worst Davies is a much more effective player than scheiderlin.
As for the rest of my previous post, I was mostly surmising what went on between lookman and Sam. But neither of us knows the facts , I just don't think Sam is the manager for us, now or in the future.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: eugene on February 18, 2018, 10:33:00 PM
I hope we don't qualify for Europe because..
A: Fat head will be seen as a success and could stay.
B: It's a distraction from building for next season.
C: Currently we're not good enough to do ourselves justice.

But mainly A
And of course we would end up with no pre season to speak of again like the shambles this season has been
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 18, 2018, 10:51:12 PM
We're not going to get any higher than seventh for the foreseeable future so if Sam delivers it he should at least get another season.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Lxxx on February 18, 2018, 11:42:39 PM
We're not going to get any higher than seventh for the foreseeable future so if Sam delivers it he should at least get another season.

Why should we all bother then hey. What's the point in even supporting a football team if there's no excitement in it, no hope, no expectation, just treading water for a bit. We're Everton not fuckin Chester. We've got a billionaire owner, a spanking new stadium in the works, top 10 highest spenders in European football but let's just forfeit a season, meet you all back here next summer and we'll have another crack at it.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Mayor Farnum on February 18, 2018, 11:45:28 PM
Why should we all bother then hey. What's the point in even supporting a football team if there's no excitement in it, no hope, no expectation, just treading water for a bit. We're Everton not fuckin Chester. We've got a billionaire owner, a spanking new stadium in the works, top 10 highest spenders in European football but let's just forfeit a season, meet you all back here next summer and we'll have another crack at it.

That's all very well, although I imagine six of the top ten spenders in Europe are the six above us in the league, just don't hold your breath waiting for it all to come together.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 19, 2018, 12:12:44 AM
A statement if you like. But it makes my point. He would rather play a vastly underachieving player than give youth an extended run.even at his worst Davies is a much more effective player than scheiderlin.
As for the rest of my previous post, I was mostly surmising what went on between lookman and Sam. But neither of us knows the facts , I just don't think Sam is the manager for us, now or in the future.


not sure if you seen the last game or not but Tom Davies started the game Scheiderlin did not so not really making your point is it
your point was that he will not give young player a chance and now you can see he is and always has done

if you are just a Big Sam hater then all this is just a waste of time but if you are just not sure about him then I hope this gives you a better picture overall
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: GLewis on February 19, 2018, 12:25:16 AM
No, I don't think he's our future. Neither do I particularly hope he's our manager next season.

I do think he'll have been a fairly successful interim appointment if he guides us to 7th though.
Yes.

Next point is then whether heís been appointed on an interim basis.

So it can be both did well in the short term but want someone else for next season.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: sirblue57 on February 19, 2018, 12:29:42 AM
not sure if you seen the last game or not but Tom Davies started the game Scheiderlin did not so not really making your point is it
your point was that he will not give young player a chance and now you can see he is and always has done

if you are just a Big Sam hater then all this is just a waste of time but if you are just not sure about him then I hope this gives you a better picture overall
You are really.pedantic. ok davies played the last game. How.many did scheiderlin have to stink out before he did? It's not that I'm a Sam hater. I just think we deserve better.
If you want.to blindly support him fine. Don't expect anyone else to.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: sirblue57 on February 19, 2018, 12:32:10 AM
And let's not forget, Sam is the one who said we have to be more boring, joke or not. I expect better from our manager.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: bogie on February 19, 2018, 12:40:08 AM
You are really.pedantic. ok davies played the last game. How.many did scheiderlin have to stink out before he did? It's not that I'm a Sam hater. I just think we deserve better.
If you want.to blindly support him fine. Don't expect anyone else to.

So anytime he drops a young player you could bring this up . Just forget about if he was not playing well or needed a break

And we will just forget about the fact that Tom is not playing the same roll as Scheiderlin (and yes the sooner he is gone the better )
Pedantic lol and then say blindly follow well I could say you are blindly just following the I hate Big Sam brigade
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: sirblue57 on February 19, 2018, 01:12:50 AM
So anytime he drops a young player you could bring this up . Just forget about if he was not playing well or needed a break

And we will just forget about the fact that Tom is not playing the same roll as Scheiderlin (and yes the sooner he is gone the better )
Pedantic lol and then say blindly follow well I could say you are blindly just following the I hate Big Sam brigade

Ffs. Ok how about this...how many times has either player:
Played poorly.
Been dropped/
stunk the place out.

Now before you answer, think. Bene played ok so I think he should have gotten more game time also.
I am not just following the haters.
I had my opinion before he came , I have not said a lot until recently, but he has shown his total lack of class, he is not good enough.
I didn't want Martinez but was swept up in the early months, so didn't want to make the same mistake.
He has proved he is out of his depth. But he is not alone in the club there. I think Walsh should go to, this club deserves better, the fans deserve better.
We should demand better. There is no excuse not to.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 19, 2018, 04:34:23 AM
I hope we don't qualify for Europe because..
A: Fat head will be seen as a success and could stay.
B: It's a distraction from building for next season.
C: Currently we're not good enough to do ourselves justice.

But mainly A

Surely the reality is if we finish 7th he won't just be seen as a success he will be a success
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 19, 2018, 04:47:58 AM
A statement if you like. But it makes my point. He would rather play a vastly underachieving player than give youth an extended run.even at his worst Davies is a much more effective player than scheiderlin.
As for the rest of my previous post, I was mostly surmising what went on between lookman and Sam. But neither of us knows the facts , I just don't think Sam is the manager for us, now or in the future.

If you exclude the g/k position then he averages 3 youngsters a game which, without checking, could be the highest in the league?
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: brap2 on February 19, 2018, 05:23:17 AM
Surely the reality is if we finish 7th he won't just be seen as a success he will be a success

This doesn’t even factor into it for me tbh, yeah he will have done well, should be congratulated and paid handsomely and I’m sure he’ll take his brown envelope with a beaming smile.

Then, status quo resumed, as was his remit, he can stand aside as the club takes the next step in its evolution.

That’s why Moshiri is here isn’t it? Small window? Allardyce is the result of a set back and not part of the long term plan, I hope we all understand that, fans, board and players alike.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Shogun on February 19, 2018, 05:29:07 AM
I don't think it'll be a disaster if Allardyce does stay and we finish 7th this season.

We'll probably finish 7th again, get out of the Europa League groups and based on the last 20 odds years of Allardyce and Everton, not win a cup.

I would worry about what further damage Walsh could inflict by then (don't think he'd get sacked whilst Allardyce is around) and I would worry about the likes of Holgate, DCL, Davies, Dowell, Vlasic, Kenny and Lookman as I don't think Allardyce is really arsed about youngsters and we've got a better emerging bunch than anyone imo.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: sirblue57 on February 19, 2018, 05:40:22 AM
If you exclude the g/k position then he averages 3 youngsters a game which, without checking, could be the highest in the league?
Name them and their positions.

Then work it out.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 19, 2018, 05:57:18 AM
13 games x 10 = 130 starters.
38 places filled by DCL, Davies, Kenny, Lookman,  Beningime and Holgate. Haven't counted Vlasic and Sandro despite them being described as 'young'.
Obviously the figure is higher if you include subs but you can count them - I did the hard bit!! ☺
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: sirblue57 on February 19, 2018, 02:13:47 PM
13 games x 10 = 130 starters.
38 places filled by DCL, Davies, Kenny, Lookman,  Beningime and Holgate. Haven't counted Vlasic and Sandro despite them being described as 'young'.
Obviously the figure is higher if you include subs but you can count them - I did the hard bit!! ☺

DCL and Kenny there were no other options, due to poor work by the DoF. Beningime did little wrong, Lookman and Holgate could have been managed better. So your left with the Davies v schneiderlin conundrum. Who has performed better?
In truth , the whole squad has been poorly managed , the buying of some of them was and still is, a mystery. But Sam is in charge, and I feel has not done the job properly.
Title: Re: The race for Europe
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 19, 2018, 03:56:32 PM
I wasn't drawing any conclusions - just giving the numbers.