Okay, so let us predict what will happen for this game. For me to rectify the problems we have been having I would play the following if available.
Howard
Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines
Fellaini Neville
Arteta Pienaar
Cahill
Yakubu
This would hopefully solidify the awful defence and take the pressure off Arteta to be creative through the middle while giving both him and Pienaar license to roam. I am loathe to put Arteta RM but since his central performances have been so dire a switch to the right side might be what he and we need. Coleman or Bilya can still come on at any point if Neville can't make 90 minutes allowing Arteta back in the middle.
This team would beat Fulham imo 2-0. Cahill, Yakubu.
However, I fully expect to see this...
Howard
Neville Jags Distin Baines
Osman Arteta Fellaini Pienaar
Cahill
Beckford
This team can probably get a draw.
If Cahill is injured I expect Heitinga to come in and Fellaini to play the Cahill role and we will almost certainly get beat.
Howard
Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines
Fellaini Neville
Coleman Cahill Pienaar
Yakubu
Wishful thinking and I'm sure that Osman, Arteta and Jagielka will somewhat undeservingly retain their places. I just hope to God that Cahill is fit so we're not subjected to Fellaini up front again. If we do play Fellaini there I fully expect a loss.
If we put my suggested team out I reckon we may well actually keep a clean sheet for once and hopefully Cahill can produce one of his classic away perfomances to get us a 1-0 win.
This seems to be the favoured back "7". I also think that it's pretty likely as it allows Moyes to play Hibbo and Neville.
Obviously Pienaar keeps his spot and Cahill will play, so the remaining spots are upfront or the 3rd CM position if Cahill plays as the striker and RM.
Edit: Sorry, just seen that you've got Distin in. Please don't suggest that again.
I was very tempted to go with Jagielka and Heitinga at the back but we kept most of our cleansheets when we palyed with Distin and Heitinga with Fellaini protecting them last season so I am just hoping it works again.
In a perfect world I'd also have Arteta in the place of Neville but his form doesn't really warrant selection at the moment and I think he might benefit from realising he's not an automatic starter and that his perforrmances must improve.
As for the srtiker it has to be Yakubu for me if only becuase he is more involved with all round play than Beckford and if a strikers not scoring (and obviously neither of them are) then it's the all round game that has to be taken into consideration.
Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines
Fellaini
Arteta
Coleman Pienaar
Cahill
Yak
Really hope Anichebe is fit sometime soon
wouldn't it be boss if we went barca-style 4-3-3
howard
hibbert heitinga jags baines
arteta fellaini billy
gueye yakubu pienaar
Do you guys never tire of repeating the same thing every few days before a game only for nobody to come close to the actual team or tactics used.
Not feeling good about this at all.
miserable 2-1 loss.
Really hope the tactics are changed for this game. I feel were just very easy to play against at the moment, the opposition just has to sit behind the ball and we can't unlock them. Wouldn't start with Osman or Distin. Id start with the following
Howard
Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines
Coleman Arteta Fellaini Piennar
Cahill
Yak
This with Gueye for Coleman but played on left with Pienaar on right for a try out.
This with Gueye for Coleman but played on left with Pienaar on right for a try out.
From what I've heard Gueye and Baines worked well together against Brentford
howard
nev jags jonny baines
arteta felli peanuts
cahill billy
yak
This. And persevere with this side, barring injuries, for at least the next five games. I dont get the recent love-in with Hibbert - all it means when he looks good is that the rest of the team's standards have declined. ( prepares for abuse.......)Anyone else would be getting credit for performing when the majority of the team are not. Because it is Hibbert he only looks good compared to crap performances. Dropping Hibbert for Neville at right back would be very harsh.
Anyone else would be getting credit for performing when the majority of the team are not. Because it is Hibbert he only looks good compared to crap performances. Dropping Hibbert for Neville at right back would be very harsh.i just think that hibbert has played well, for hibbert. Unfortunately, as has been the case for years, we don't have a quality right back at the club.
Moyes's interview on Everton TV , Hibbo and ossie injured Vic has had an opon his knee and out for 6 weeks , Louis out for 3 weeks with calf strain
Honestly mate, you won't be seeing Heitinga and Jagielka together.
I hate Distin.
it's up front where Evertons problems are not right back i think hibbo should start
at fulham he is no worst than jags or Distin this season so far.
i disagree to be honest, i think our delivery into the box is terrible, and a threat at right back would help big time. strikers can only eat what they're fed, and yes they've squandered some decent chances, but we're not creating enough good, quality chances for them.
p.s. yeah there's no chance of jagtinga anytime soon, 'specially since heitinga has been jibbing off training.
i know what you mean, he has played well. for him. He's a limited player who's playing well, but that raises the question of what's better; a grade C player doing 10/10 or a grade A player doing 6/10? if you know what i mean ( a little clumsily worded but i think that gets the point across).
all of your other points i completely agree with, the midfield isn't ticking.
if everton beat fulham, i'll eat ilikebrunettes pants!
tbh i'd like to see this team but im not entirely sure its possible
joe hart
sagna pujol vidic maicon
ronaldo kaka xavi robben
messi
yakubu
i know what your all gonna say but i really feel 4-5-1 is the way to go!
you better get ready so we will beat fulham handy on saturday maybe 2 or 3 nil
its only a matter of time before we will give a team a beating
Teams in looks like:
Howard
Neville Jagielka Distin Baines
Coleman Arteta Fellaini Pienaar
Cahill
Promising side that I reckon.
Where is Johnny Heitinga? Injured? Bust up with Moeys?
Even more promising if went with 11!
I'm hoping that Coleman RM, Neville RB and Fellaini back in to midfield.
Dubious injury according to Shorty earlier in the week - claims he injured and hasn't been training.
Fixed it now. It'll be interesting to see who is on the bench today as well.....Mucha ,Bily, Osman ,Becks ,Barkeley,Gueye and ....................Johnny !
Subs: Mucha, Osman, Barkely, Heitinga, Bilyaletdinov, Beckford, Gueye
The OS seems to think Coleman is at right back, with Neville in centre mid and Arteta on the right...
Any Streams?
Fulham XI to face Everton: Schwarzer, Kelly, Hughes, Hangeland, Salcido, Duff, Etuhu, Murphy, Davies, Dempsey, Gera.
No strikers for the opposition but Dempsey will always cause us problems.
Good line-up, players in the right positions. Nice stream at http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton)
http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton)
Top stream
Finally, good looking team, hope to see some football being played.
Stream working, beer in hand, knob in the other...
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Nice back pass Phil!
Seamus keeping them busy on the right.
Nice to see the left and right with potential to cause some trouble.
Did the stream on http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton) die for anyone else than me?
wow, I cant believe were second from bottom, we look fookin great going forward
wow, I cant believe were second from bottom, we look fookin great going forward
Did the stream on http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton) die for anyone else than me?ya but it came back when i refreshed the page. vaughan sent off for palace
i saved myself the trouble and just woke up (it's 10:45 am here)... how we doing?
they look like they're really lacking confidence, jags n nev seem far happier to pass back, just dont get whats changed from the end of last season.
No one ever just belts it. Arteta, Fellaini and Pienaar could have all had decent shots from just outside the area.
Moyes only decent subs second half would be Bilya and Beckford but would that improve this team? I don't think it would unless he subs Neville for Bilya and puts Coleman at right back it wouldn't make a difference.
I'd be tempted to get Gueye on for Neville, moving Coleman to RB. Salcido looks half-decent down Fulham's left though so not sure that Coleman would do the job against him.
Gueye can put in the killer cross that we're lacking though.
Gueye would be an interesting one but for a piece of genius it has to be Bilya for me.
In other news West Brom two up at the Emirates. Very depressing for us.
Stuck Odemwingie in my fantasy team for today 8)
oh no,,,,,AJ coming on, you can just read the headlines now...
WHY IS OSMAN COMING ON?!?!? ffs moyes im better than him!!
heyyy who missed an open net.... o osman
No he didn't. It was about 2 feet infront of him.
Turn it in, he's playing in the middle where he's actually a pretty decent player. Lets see how he gets on instead of everyone jumping on the bandwaggon.
Most of you lot are fucking retarded, Cahill's injured, Osman hasn't done anything wrong since coming on for Christ's sake give him a chance. Yak should've got a touch there, in form we'd be up right now. We've also looked better since Osman has come on.
it's not Osman were fukked off with, its Moyes for choosing him for Cahill when we have Billy and Gueye on the bench. (well for me anyway)
Most of you lot are fucking retarded, Cahill's injured, Osman hasn't done anything wrong since coming on for Christ's sake give him a chance. Yak should've got a touch there, in form we'd be up right now. We've also looked better since Osman has come on.
Beckford warming up, wonder who will come off
Beckford warming up, wonder who will come off
3 for West Brom now. Had they scored their penalty it would be 3. Could have been story of the season.
Yakubu, without a doubt
he's had 5 years worth of chances to win us over
So close Yakubu!
Good vision from osman but Yak couldn't control.
Neville's crossing makes me wish Hibbo was here.
But we're playing better with him right now than we were with Cahill on the pitch, how can't people see that? Blinding hate, and it's pretty pathetic to be honest.
how can any of u stomach watching these guys right now?
how can any of u stomach watching these guys right now?
how can any of u stomach watching these guys right now?
how can any of u stomach watching these guys right now?
Look how much better Osman looks on the left, it's remarkable.
Really poor cross from Neville, maybe a bit lucky with that challenge from Distin.
What game are you watching?
Really is he has been much better today and if this isn't an arguement for him never to play right wing again i dopn't know what is.deffo, by far and away a better central mid...winger ?? nah
not blind hate mate
having watched him for 5 years he is far from the man to call for at times of need
sooner try something new billya gueye than the old familiar sub
the same game all of u r... its making me queezy but of course you're watching the leon osman show n getting a woody
the same game all of u r... its making me queezy but of course you're watching the leon osman show n getting a woody
the same game all of u r... its making me queezy but of course you're watching the leon osman show n getting a woody
o of course, because its just an enjoyment watching this game.. osman is having one good half of football n now he's a magician
What the fuck are you on about? You're clearly a bit special needs.
Yak is slowly coming back to form
How the fuck have we not won this match?
We can take positives from this match. Moyes has moved Fellaini back to DM, has played Coleman RM and Yakubu looks like he could be getting back to his old self. Also we have kept a clean sheet. Getting a point at Fulham is a good result. Its just ashame we didnt win.
And that's earned a suspension
Seriously you moaning bunch of feckers. Osman has shown some excellent control and has arguably shown better interplay with Yakubu than Cahill. It is no coincidence Yak has nearly scored 3 times since he came on.
You're kidding? People abuse each other all over the show on here without getting suspended.
it was a constant stream, that was the latest one
we're really not in a position to be taking positives from a draw... we need a fucking victory!! we're in dead last!!
Happy to finally see Coleman get a run out at RM, and hopefully Moyes will stick with him there until Anichibe is back. Would like to see Moyes employ a 2nd striker, but overall I am not upset with the lineup. Would like to see Johnny inserted in the back 4 as well, but beggers can't be choosers. Still frustrated we did not win, but we can't get any worse now.
it was a constant stream, that was the latest one
Yeah but to be fair who do you swap him for. I was saying Distin but he was far better than Jags today IMO. Distin Jags definitely doesn't work. Neither of them can pass for shit.
it was a constant stream, that was the latest one
I'm going to be honest and say it isn't open for discussion. The decision has been made. He'll be posting again tomorrow if he wants.
yea ridiculous comments.. me saying im annoyed by how we cant win 1 single match, and saying osman is shit and you all are anointing him a god for 1 decent half..
No one is calling him a god, not one single person. Just one or two people with brains don't feel the need to froth at the mouth and type shit about him before he's even touched the ball.
well he's been shit all season, and we take off cahill for a man whose a backup at best in this league
well he's been shit all season, and we take off cahill for a man whose a backup at best in this league
well he's been shit all season, and we take off cahill for a man whose a backup at best in this league
Yesterday before the game i said i'd be happy with a point today and i really should be but after seeing that im not. With the way we played we should of won, and with 10, 15 mins to go, gaps was starting to appear in Fulhams defence and Yak was getting in but for a better ball and for me at that point the game was crying out for Beckford to be on and to get in those spaces with his pace and movement and Moyes refused to go for it, unbelievable, it could of been so much better for us today if he'd of risked it and just gone for it for once but he didn't, i can remember when he took over and in his first full season with us, he'd go for it and have 3 strikers on at a time, Campbell, Radzinski and Rooney to try and win games, now he wont even throw two on up top, whats up with him, we was playing well and having ago so why not go for it and put Beckford up there with Yak and try and win it?.
With the way are seasons gone so far, its a very good point but after watching that performance, i cant help think it could of been so much better if Moyes would of grown some balls and been braver and gone for it with Beckford up front with Yak, if we'd of took 3 points from today off the back of that performance, are confidence would of grown alot and are season would be back on track ahead of a tough away game next week and then the derby
well he's been shit all season, and we take off cahill for a man whose a backup at best in this league
Yeah, the facts do speak for themselves. We did play well. We did make chances. We did look confident. We did keep a clean sheet. We did take a pont from our bogey ground. You can whinge and moan as much as you want, but this was a decent result............taken in isolation this is a decent result for the reasons you've stated ......but in the overall context of the season so far it's bad. We are rock bottom and the table doesn't lie.
...........taken in isolation this is a decent result for the reasons you've stated ......but in the overall context of the season so far it's bad. We are rock bottom and the table doesn't lie.
Lots of chances
Clean sheet
Commanded
Lacked shots on goal until last few minutes
Thought we played well (watched second half, listened first). In general better than last couple of games, some strange substitutions again from Moyes, clearly doesn't know his best team.
Overall 6/10 must try harder for the team.
Moyes... Back to the drawing board.
so playing Coleman on the right worked and gave us a threat down both sides instead of just the left?
who would have thought that eh?
if only someone would have told Moyes! But wait, Moyes watches his players every day in training, he knows best....
he did the right thing today with his starting line-up - almost, Distin for Heitinga would have been a good idea
but it's taken him 6 games and all manner of people saying that is what he should do before he does it
can't we just pick the team by the popular opinion? it's what Moyes does eventually anyway
Damned no matter what he does then eh!
jags is the new hoof ball master, pack it in lad its not good its shite.
Admittedly I didn't see the game today but it's funny how is distribution is much better for England, doncha think?
Player for player we far exeeded them. Anyone upbeat or happy with todays performance needs to be put down.
Talking of Vic, is there any word at all on when he's likely to be back? I really think he would have made a difference for us so far this season.
I'm not convinced that beckford would of made a difference
Yakubu made a lot of room for himself due to his physical strength and him tearing hangeland a new one
Osman though should of had a tap in but lost concentration was poor from him
Yeah, the facts do speak for themselves. We did play well. We did make chances. We did look confident. We did keep a clean sheet. We did take a point from our bogey ground. You can whinge and moan as much as you want, but this was a decent result.
Crikey, hope he comes back and picks up where he left off.
when will saha be back would be more like it i think he is the only striker
who will get us goals at the moment
when will saha be back would be more like it i think he is the only striker
who will get us goals at the moment