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Title: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 22, 2010, 07:45:18 PM
Okay, so let us predict what will happen for this game.  For me to rectify the problems we have been having I would play the following if available.


                         Howard

Hibbert          Jags Heitinga        Baines

                   Fellaini   Neville
Arteta                                         Pienaar

                      Cahill

                        Yakubu


This would hopefully solidify the awful defence and take the pressure off Arteta to be creative through the middle while giving both him and Pienaar license to roam.  I am loathe to put Arteta RM but since his central performances have been so dire a switch to the right side might be what he and we need.  Coleman or Bilya can still come on at any point if Neville can't make 90 minutes allowing Arteta back in the middle.

This team would beat Fulham imo 2-0.  Cahill, Yakubu.

However, I fully expect to see this...

                      Howard

Neville       Jags  Distin          Baines

Osman      Arteta Fellaini       Pienaar

                     Cahill

                        Beckford

This team can probably get a draw.

If Cahill is injured I expect Heitinga to come in and Fellaini to play the Cahill role and we will almost certainly get beat.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bryan on September 22, 2010, 07:48:55 PM
I am confident of a 3-1 defeat.  We are woeful currently and outside of the last few visits, Craven has never treated us well.  Add an extra time and penalties loss to a team divisions below us midweek and voila! you have a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: GLewis on September 22, 2010, 07:49:28 PM
Okay, so let us predict what will happen for this game.  For me to rectify the problems we have been having I would play the following if available.


                         Howard

Hibbert          Jags Heitinga        Baines

                   Fellaini   Neville
Arteta                                         Pienaar

                      Cahill

                        Yakubu


This would hopefully solidify the awful defence and take the pressure off Arteta to be creative through the middle while giving both him and Pienaar license to roam.  I am loathe to put Arteta RM but since his central performances have been so dire a switch to the right side might be what he and we need.  Coleman or Bilya can still come on at any point if Neville can't make 90 minutes allowing Arteta back in the middle.

This team would beat Fulham imo 2-0.  Cahill, Yakubu.

However, I fully expect to see this...

                      Howard

Neville       Jags  Distin          Baines

Osman      Arteta Fellaini       Pienaar

                     Cahill

                        Beckford

This team can probably get a draw.

If Cahill is injured I expect Heitinga to come in and Fellaini to play the Cahill role and we will almost certainly get beat.

I agree with your preferred side.

However I don't think that there's anyway that Neville won't be in the middle.

If he feels he has to play Arteta in the middle then I think that Cahill will be the lone front man again.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 22, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
I would like us to play

Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Neville Felli
Arteta Cahill Pienaar
Yakubu

Same as your top team I have just noticed although I wouldnt have pienaar and Arteta as out and out wide men and would like to see the 3 (cahill included) very fluid

No chance tho, like you say more than likely will be bottom team
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 22, 2010, 07:55:51 PM
                Howard

Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines

             Fellaini Neville

Coleman     Cahill        Pienaar
         
                 Yakubu

Wishful thinking and I'm sure that Osman, Arteta and Jagielka will somewhat undeservingly retain their places. I just hope to God that Cahill is fit so we're not subjected to Fellaini up front again. If we do play Fellaini there I fully expect a loss.

If we put my suggested team out I reckon we may well actually keep a clean sheet for once and hopefully Cahill can produce one of his classic away perfomances to get us a 1-0 win.

     
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: GLewis on September 22, 2010, 08:00:00 PM
                Howard

Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines

             Fellaini Neville

Coleman     Cahill        Pienaar
         
                 Yakubu

Wishful thinking and I'm sure that Osman, Arteta and Jagielka will somewhat undeservingly retain their places. I just hope to God that Cahill is fit so we're not subjected to Fellaini up front again. If we do play Fellaini there I fully expect a loss.

If we put my suggested team out I reckon we may well actually keep a clean sheet for once and hopefully Cahill can produce one of his classic away perfomances to get us a 1-0 win.

     

This seems to be the favoured back "7". I also think that it's pretty likely as it allows Moyes to play Hibbo and Neville.

Obviously Pienaar keeps his spot and Cahill will play, so the remaining spots are upfront or the 3rd CM position if Cahill plays as the striker and RM.


Edit: Sorry, just seen that you've got Distin in. Please don't suggest that again.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 22, 2010, 08:07:20 PM
This seems to be the favoured back "7". I also think that it's pretty likely as it allows Moyes to play Hibbo and Neville.

Obviously Pienaar keeps his spot and Cahill will play, so the remaining spots are upfront or the 3rd CM position if Cahill plays as the striker and RM.


Edit: Sorry, just seen that you've got Distin in. Please don't suggest that again.


I was very tempted to go with Jagielka and Heitinga at the back but we kept most of our cleansheets when we palyed with Distin and Heitinga with Fellaini protecting them last season so I am just hoping it works again.

In a perfect world I'd also have Arteta in the place of Neville but his form doesn't really warrant selection at the moment and I think he might benefit from realising he's not an automatic starter and that his perforrmances must improve.

As for the srtiker it has to be Yakubu for me if only becuase he is more involved with all round play than Beckford and if a strikers not scoring (and obviously neither of them are) then it's the all round game that has to be taken into consideration.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: DannyR on September 22, 2010, 08:21:13 PM
---------------------------Howard----------------------------------
Hibbert       Jags        Heitinga                 Baines

Bilya        Cahill            Arteta                 Peinaar

                Beckford              Saha


Subs: Mucha,Fellaini,Osman,Distin,Neville,Gueye,Barkley
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 22, 2010, 08:21:18 PM
I'd like to see a few players dropped, but it's hard to decide who.

I'd go with:

Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines
              Fellaini
               Arteta
Coleman                Pienaar
               Cahill
                Yak

Really hope Anichebe is fit sometime soon, but he'll now need time to get back up to speed and match fit unfortunately. I'd like to have dropped Arteta and Jags but no Rodwell or Yobo prevent that from happening, not to mention I feel Jags isn't far away from having a good run of form, he just needs a defender beside him that doesn't breed panic throughout the team.

I accept that individually Distin has probably been better than Jags this year (bar Man U), but we look nervous as a team every time someone attacks us and I think that's in part due to his indecision and the outrageous mistakes he makes. Can't believe he's rated above Yobo, oh well, too late to change that now.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Thom on September 22, 2010, 08:53:53 PM
----------------Howard---------
Hibbert--Jagielka--Distin--Baines
Osman--Neville--Arteta---Pienaar
---------------Fellaini---------
-----------Beckford-------

Bench: Mucha, Coleman, Heitinga, Gueye, Yakubu, Barkley,Baxter

Another rubbish 1-0 defeat.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blueToffee on September 22, 2010, 11:06:18 PM
I was very tempted to go with Jagielka and Heitinga at the back but we kept most of our cleansheets when we palyed with Distin and Heitinga with Fellaini protecting them last season so I am just hoping it works again.

In a perfect world I'd also have Arteta in the place of Neville but his form doesn't really warrant selection at the moment and I think he might benefit from realising he's not an automatic starter and that his perforrmances must improve.

As for the srtiker it has to be Yakubu for me if only becuase he is more involved with all round play than Beckford and if a strikers not scoring (and obviously neither of them are) then it's the all round game that has to be taken into consideration.

I have to agree on the Jags thing. Currently he is playing like our worst CB. Distin was woeful against Man Utd but Jags has been suspect pretty much every game.

Heitinga deserves his chance at CB, Jags deserves to be on the bench. Its not popular but if we want to foster competition then every player has to know they can be dropped.

We should try Heitinga and Distin at the back on Saturday. And if that doesn't work and Distin goofs again then try Heitinga and Jags.

I'd definitely go with what you were suggesting though...

     
 Howard

Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines

Fellaini Neville

Coleman     Cahill        Pienaar
         
Yakubu
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: philly on September 22, 2010, 11:09:58 PM

Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines
              Fellaini
               Arteta
Coleman                Pienaar
               Cahill
                Yak

Really hope Anichebe is fit sometime soon


This.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 22, 2010, 11:50:16 PM
wouldn't it be boss if we went barca-style 4-3-3

howard
hibbert heitinga jags baines
arteta fellaini billy
gueye yakubu pienaar
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 23, 2010, 12:36:41 AM
wouldn't it be boss if we went barca-style 4-3-3

howard
hibbert heitinga jags baines
arteta fellaini billy
gueye yakubu pienaar

Not with Bily in the team, if Cahill is fit he has to play, looks most likely to score right now.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cad on September 23, 2010, 12:51:22 AM
Not that I disagree, but it shows the shite we're in when Anichebe is much nominated as the missing link.

1-0
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Confucius on September 23, 2010, 12:58:32 AM
Do you guys never tire of repeating the same thing every few days before a game only for nobody to come close to the actual team or tactics used.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 23, 2010, 02:56:45 AM
I predict:

Yak

Pienaar Arteta Beckford Fellaini

Osman Jags Baines Howard

Distin Hibbert

442, but ffs, Osman on the right again  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: HungryHungryHibbo on September 23, 2010, 03:10:30 AM
Do you guys never tire of repeating the same thing every few days before a game only for nobody to come close to the actual team or tactics used.

This
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: ElbowofsamEdi on September 23, 2010, 04:05:39 AM
Really hope the tactics are changed for this game. I feel were just very easy to play against at the moment, the opposition just has to sit behind the ball and we can't unlock them. Wouldn't start with Osman or Distin. Id start with the following
Howard
Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines
Coleman Arteta Fellaini Piennar
Cahill
Yak
 
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: true1891blue on September 23, 2010, 04:15:00 AM
           howard

nev   jags  jonny   baines
  
    arteta  felli  peanuts

        cahill    billy

              yak
    
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: kunal32 on September 23, 2010, 05:10:39 AM
Well I wonder just how low we can go. Last season we went to Chelsea and somehow dug out an unexpected point before we started our run. I'm hoping this is a springboard similar to that. A 1-0 win i'd happily take.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Verm on September 23, 2010, 05:40:37 AM
Not feeling good about this at all.

miserable 2-1 loss.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Confucius on September 23, 2010, 10:42:41 AM
Not feeling good about this at all.

miserable 2-1 loss.

I have to disagree, don't know how we going to score a goal or who is goin to score one for us.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Derek on September 23, 2010, 02:57:32 PM
Getting a bit desperate now.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blue for you on September 23, 2010, 03:18:58 PM
hope timmy is back as we are short of goal's and won't get them untill saha is back
1-0 to the blues Cahill to score.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Verm on September 23, 2010, 03:29:54 PM
Dembele being out gives me a little hope.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: .Rimbo. on September 23, 2010, 03:42:52 PM
Howard

Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines

Osman Fellaini Arteta Pienaar

Cahill

Yakubu
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: johnj on September 23, 2010, 04:53:25 PM
Really hope the tactics are changed for this game. I feel were just very easy to play against at the moment, the opposition just has to sit behind the ball and we can't unlock them. Wouldn't start with Osman or Distin. Id start with the following
Howard
Hibbert Jags Heitinga Baines
Coleman Arteta Fellaini Piennar
Cahill
Yak
 

This with Gueye for Coleman but played on left with Pienaar on right for a try out.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: .Rimbo. on September 23, 2010, 05:06:35 PM
This with Gueye for Coleman but played on left with Pienaar on right for a try out.

Moyes, in his genius, has already broken the fruitful partnership of Baines and Pienaar this season. It failed, dramatically.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Confucius on September 24, 2010, 12:41:52 AM
This with Gueye for Coleman but played on left with Pienaar on right for a try out.

Why break up the only attacking threat we have?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: HungryHungryHibbo on September 24, 2010, 01:22:22 AM
From what I've heard Gueye and Baines worked well together against Brentford
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Confucius on September 24, 2010, 05:24:37 AM
From what I've heard Gueye and Baines worked well together against Brentford

And what was the final score?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: fast lane on September 24, 2010, 02:02:37 PM
A vital game, if ever there was one.
Something we are all aware of.

Good news for us is that Moussa Dembélé is injured, the 5m (we can't even afford that paltry figure) buy from my local team AZ has been finding the back of the net quite easily while with the London team.
Something we are desperately lacking.

A result can really kick-start our season.
The players should be giving it their all.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: nomorechang on September 24, 2010, 03:05:22 PM
Howard , Hibbo , Jags , Disty , Baines

Coleman , Arteta , Fellaini , Pienaar

Cahill

Yakubu
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: adam b on September 24, 2010, 03:08:38 PM
           howard

nev   jags  jonny   baines
  
    arteta  felli  peanuts

        cahill    billy

              yak
    


This. And persevere with this side, barring injuries, for at least the next five games. I dont get the recent love-in with Hibbert - all it means when he looks good is that the rest of the team's standards have declined. ( prepares for abuse.......)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bloody scally on September 24, 2010, 03:56:40 PM
Fulham 3-0 Everton. Gueye and Baines and Coleman and Beckford will all impress.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 24, 2010, 04:19:45 PM
This. And persevere with this side, barring injuries, for at least the next five games. I dont get the recent love-in with Hibbert - all it means when he looks good is that the rest of the team's standards have declined. ( prepares for abuse.......)
Anyone else would be getting credit for performing when the majority of the team are not.  Because it is Hibbert he only looks good compared to crap performances.  Dropping Hibbert for Neville at right back would be very harsh. 
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2010, 04:59:43 PM
Anyone else would be getting credit for performing when the majority of the team are not.  Because it is Hibbert he only looks good compared to crap performances.  Dropping Hibbert for Neville at right back would be very harsh. 
i just think that hibbert has played well, for hibbert. Unfortunately, as has been the case for years, we don't have a quality right back at the club.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blue for you on September 24, 2010, 05:47:06 PM
it's up front where Evertons problems are not right back i think hibbo should start
at fulham he is no worst than jags or Distin this season so far.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Mikel10 on September 24, 2010, 05:49:23 PM
It will be unfortunatley:

Howard

Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines

Osman Neville Arteta Pienaar

Fellaini

Beckford

3-0 to Fulham.

I'd like to see:

Howard

Neville Jagielka Distin (I hate Distin but Heitinga is 'injured' apparently) Baines

Coleman Arteta Fellaini Pienaar

Cahill

Yakubu

Cahill will be fit imo.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: nomorechang on September 24, 2010, 06:07:05 PM
Moyes's interview on Everton TV , Hibbo and ossie injured  Vic has had an opon his knee and out for 6 weeks , Louis out for 3 weeks with calf strain
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: adam b on September 24, 2010, 06:51:55 PM
Moyes's interview on Everton TV , Hibbo and ossie injured  Vic has had an opon his knee and out for 6 weeks , Louis out for 3 weeks with calf strain

If this is the case, Moyes may pull his 'pick the right team by default' masterstroke again
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 24, 2010, 07:04:12 PM
Howard

Neville Jags Distin Baines

Coleman Arteta Fellaini Pienaar

Yak Beckford


Might stand a chance.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 24, 2010, 07:39:56 PM
Howard
Neville Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Coleman Areteta Fellaini Pienaar
Cahill
Yakubu

That surely will be his side
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Mikel10 on September 24, 2010, 08:22:57 PM
Honestly mate, you won't be seeing Heitinga and Jagielka together.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: .Rimbo. on September 24, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
Honestly mate, you won't be seeing Heitinga and Jagielka together.

 nod

Heitinga has apparently fucked training off according to Shorty.

Oh, and Distin's cock is so lodged up Moyesie's arse his eyes are too watered to read the teamsheet anyway.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Mikel10 on September 24, 2010, 08:40:44 PM
I hate Distin.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: .Rimbo. on September 24, 2010, 08:41:14 PM
I hate Distin.

He's a 50-penga-headed shitbag. Hope he falls down the fucking stairs.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Sprooly on September 24, 2010, 08:54:41 PM
Not a chance distin will be dropped this week after his pretty good game against Newcaslte in which he tore Carroll a new one
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2010, 11:44:21 PM
it's up front where Evertons problems are not right back i think hibbo should start
at fulham he is no worst than jags or Distin this season so far.

i disagree to be honest, i think our delivery into the box is terrible, and a threat at right back would help big time. strikers can only eat what they're fed, and yes they've squandered some decent chances, but we're not creating enough good, quality chances for them.

p.s. yeah there's no chance of jagtinga anytime soon, 'specially since heitinga has been jibbing off training.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: .Rimbo. on September 24, 2010, 11:52:50 PM
i disagree to be honest, i think our delivery into the box is terrible, and a threat at right back would help big time. strikers can only eat what they're fed, and yes they've squandered some decent chances, but we're not creating enough good, quality chances for them.

p.s. yeah there's no chance of jagtinga anytime soon, 'specially since heitinga has been jibbing off training.

I think you're being quite harsh on Hibbert. It doesn't help having Osman in front of him at all. I think Hibbert's been very good so far this season, I can have few complaints.

My main gripe with our lack of creativity is more down the middle, especially when we play with Arteta, Heitinga and Fellaini further forward. Arteta is a deep-lying player and the other two are more natural holding midfield players (well, one is actually a CB but I'll leave that for another day). I don't see where our number 10, Pablo Aimar type cat is though. We quite simply don't have one.

Also, the ever reliable Pienaar-Baines partnership hasn't really blossomed as it should either. Pienaar's been dirge on the whole this season, bar the United game (didn't see all of the N'castle game so can't comment on that). You have to remember that over the last few seasons our right-hand side has never been creative but we always have been as a team. I think, in the main, our left-hand side and central midfielders are letting us down at the moment.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2010, 12:05:53 AM
i know what you mean, he has played well. for him. He's a limited player who's playing well, but that raises the question of what's better; a grade C player doing 10/10 or a grade A player doing 6/10? if you know what i mean ( a little clumsily worded but i think that gets the point across).

all of your other points i completely agree with, the midfield isn't ticking.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: .Rimbo. on September 25, 2010, 12:11:59 AM
i know what you mean, he has played well. for him. He's a limited player who's playing well, but that raises the question of what's better; a grade C player doing 10/10 or a grade A player doing 6/10? if you know what i mean ( a little clumsily worded but i think that gets the point across).

all of your other points i completely agree with, the midfield isn't ticking.

Hibbert's still our best right back defensively though IMO. Coleman isn't great defensively and Neville seems to be getting worse with age.

I'd like to see Hibbert at right back with Coleman in front if I'm honest, I think everyone's a winner there. The problem with Coleman is he isn't great defensively, with Hibbert behind him we'd be much more solid. The problem with the right wing is we haven't really got a threat or anyone who can run at players and is direct and can beat his man. Coleman can do that.

I doubt Moyes will do that though. He'd prefer the industrial Osman there.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2010, 12:17:09 AM
yeah he is probably our best right back defensively, but that's what I mean by lacking a quality right back at the club, to me it's been a problem for a few years along with right mid.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bluemanx3 on September 25, 2010, 12:20:39 AM
if everton beat fulham, i'll eat ilikebrunettes pants!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: sharpattack on September 25, 2010, 02:37:09 AM
Jagielka should be dropped
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Shogun on September 25, 2010, 03:25:07 AM
tbh i'd like to see this team but im not entirely sure its possible
                                          joe hart
sagna               pujol                               vidic                maicon
ronaldo              kaka                             xavi                 robben
                                   messi
                                           yakubu


i know what your all gonna say but i really feel 4-5-1 is the way to go!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blue for you on September 25, 2010, 05:01:04 AM
if everton beat fulham, i'll eat ilikebrunettes pants!

you better get ready so we will beat fulham handy on saturday maybe 2 or 3 nil
its only a matter of time before we will give a team a beating
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: DannyR on September 25, 2010, 05:10:56 AM
im not even going to look at the scores tomorrow, and wish for the best.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: .Rimbo. on September 25, 2010, 06:46:10 AM
tbh i'd like to see this team but im not entirely sure its possible
                                          joe hart
sagna               pujol                               vidic                maicon
ronaldo              kaka                             xavi                 robben
                                   messi
                                           yakubu


i know what your all gonna say but i really feel 4-5-1 is the way to go!

Vidic over Distin?!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Blueney-tunes on September 25, 2010, 03:31:17 PM
If we dont have any fit strikers then id like to see Bilya upfront!... yeppp I said it!!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: ilikebrunettes on September 25, 2010, 07:20:18 PM
you better get ready so we will beat fulham handy on saturday maybe 2 or 3 nil
its only a matter of time before we will give a team a beating

yeah... we are really playing that well!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gary Iceman on September 25, 2010, 08:07:30 PM
here is the team

Howard, Coleman, Jagiela, Distin, Baines, Neville, Arteta, Fellaini, Cahill, Pienaar, Yakubu
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 08:13:24 PM
I'm hoping that Coleman RM, Neville RB and Fellaini back in to midfield.

Happy enough if that's the case.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2010, 08:15:20 PM
is that for definate?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 08:16:31 PM
Teams in looks like:

            Howard

Neville Jagielka Distin Baines

Coleman Arteta Fellaini Pienaar
              Cahill
             Yakubu

Promising side that I reckon. Though I'm unsure as towhether Coleman will be on the wing.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 08:17:45 PM
Teams in looks like:

Howard

Neville Jagielka Distin Baines

Coleman Arteta Fellaini Pienaar
            Cahill

Promising side that I reckon.

Even more promising if went with 11!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bravison on September 25, 2010, 08:17:54 PM
Where is Johnny Heitinga? Injured? Bust up with Moeys?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 08:18:40 PM
Where is Johnny Heitinga? Injured? Bust up with Moeys?

Dubious injury according to Shorty earlier in the week - claims he injured and hasn't been training.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Thom on September 25, 2010, 08:20:30 PM
Hopefully Coleman will play on the right of the midfield, leaving everyone else in their best position. Will only get to see the first half as I'm in work at half 4 so I'm hoping my 1-0 defeat prediction is wrong.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 08:20:32 PM
Even more promising if went with 11!

Fixed it now. It'll be interesting to see who is on the bench today as well
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 08:21:42 PM
Fulham XI to face Everton: Schwarzer, Kelly, Hughes, Hangeland, Salcido, Duff, Etuhu, Murphy, Davies, Dempsey, Gera.

No strikers for the opposition but Dempsey will always cause us problems.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2010, 08:23:05 PM
I'm hoping that Coleman RM, Neville RB and Fellaini back in to midfield.

If this is it, Coleman will learn so much with Neville right behind him. Pip will be best positioned to give constant advice to Coleman on his defensive play and I think we'll see a much improved Coleman by the end of the game.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bravison on September 25, 2010, 08:23:58 PM
Dubious injury according to Shorty earlier in the week - claims he injured and hasn't been training.

Very worrying - especially coming from Shorty who's normally spot on, right? Can understand him for being frustrated having to play out of position to accomodate Distin after playing in a world cup final in his preferred position. But feigning injury is hardly professional. Hope it gets sorted.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Alanvideo on September 25, 2010, 08:26:43 PM
Fixed it now. It'll be interesting to see who is on the bench today as well
.....Mucha ,Bily, Osman ,Becks ,Barkeley,Gueye  and ....................Johnny !
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Thom on September 25, 2010, 08:27:21 PM
Subs: Mucha, Osman, Barkely, Heitinga, Bilyaletdinov, Beckford, Gueye

The OS seems to think Coleman is at right back, with Neville in centre mid and Arteta on the right...
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 08:28:50 PM
I am made up with the lineup.  As strong as it could be without Heitinga in for Distin.  For the first time this season Moyes has picked a truly positive line up which most of us would like to see.  COYB!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bravison on September 25, 2010, 08:30:24 PM
It would be so typical if Moyes goes with Neville as a DM, Coleman RB and Arteta RM. Coleman RM, Nevilla RB and Arteta CM is the way to go today - hope we'll see it.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 08:33:24 PM
Subs: Mucha, Osman, Barkely, Heitinga, Bilyaletdinov, Beckford, Gueye

The OS seems to think Coleman is at right back, with Neville in centre mid and Arteta on the right...

Great, Arteta on the right. I was hoping Neville at RB, Coleman on the RW and Arteta in the centre.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 08:34:15 PM
Arteta on the right wing doesn't bother me greatly as he can certainly be of use there and will at least be better than Osman. Also Neville in the centre isn't totally horrifying but Coleman at right back really could spell trouble at the back for us.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 08:36:24 PM
We'll just have to see how they line up on the pitch.  I'm hoping the OS has got it wrong.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 08:56:54 PM
Any Streams?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: slothzen on September 25, 2010, 08:57:30 PM
Any Streams?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Verm on September 25, 2010, 08:58:31 PM
Fulham XI to face Everton: Schwarzer, Kelly, Hughes, Hangeland, Salcido, Duff, Etuhu, Murphy, Davies, Dempsey, Gera.

No strikers for the opposition but Dempsey will always cause us problems.

If we don't win we don't deserve any success.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 08:59:22 PM
http://gizawya.info/ (http://gizawya.info/)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 09:00:15 PM
http://gizawya.info/ (http://gizawya.info/)

Foreign commentary and not great quality, but think that's all we'll get.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:01:01 PM
http://www.firstrow.net/watch/29036/1/watch-fulham-fc-vs-everton-fc.html (http://www.firstrow.net/watch/29036/1/watch-fulham-fc-vs-everton-fc.html)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Sprooly on September 25, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
fox sports here cant gere there red button working so i cant watch ffs
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Sharky on September 25, 2010, 09:02:23 PM
for once hes played the right team!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 09:03:58 PM
It is Neville RB, Coleman RM and Arteta CM.

Excellent.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bravison on September 25, 2010, 09:05:42 PM
Good line-up, players in the right positions. Nice stream at http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Verm on September 25, 2010, 09:07:16 PM
Good line-up, players in the right positions. Nice stream at http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton)

Thanks, working for me now.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 09:07:22 PM
http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton)

Top stream
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:07:54 PM
We seem to be on top so far though a couple of moves have broken down on both wings.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Verm on September 25, 2010, 09:11:10 PM
Good to see that Coleman is on the wing.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 25, 2010, 09:13:00 PM
Finally, good looking team, hope to see some football being played.

Stream working, beer in hand, knob in the other...
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:13:13 PM
Decent try by Pienaar there.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bravison on September 25, 2010, 09:13:18 PM
We've looked sharp. Need a goal though... heard that before?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 09:13:43 PM
Yak's workrate is impressive, he's chasing down defenders well.

And straight away after I posted that he wins the ball from Hangeland!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:16:11 PM
Pretty much same old same old from us now. Got most of the ball now we just have to wait for the Fulham goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 09:16:38 PM
Good run from Coleman there.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: slothzen on September 25, 2010, 09:16:39 PM
http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton)

Top stream

how do you get the vshare plugin??
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 09:16:48 PM
Quality run by Coleman there, just what we need on the right side.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 25, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
Looking impressive.

Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2010, 09:17:51 PM
look to be playing alright.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Finally, good looking team, hope to see some football being played.

Stream working, beer in hand, knob in the other...

I'm impressed. Typing with your nose.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:18:40 PM
It's great to Fellaini back where he belongs really helping our play.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: howard1334 on September 25, 2010, 09:18:59 PM
How do I download the v-share plugin so i can use adth.net
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 25, 2010, 09:19:43 PM
how do you get the vshare plugin??

Use firefox or ie and click the link and you should be given the option to download it.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 09:20:24 PM
How do I download the v-share plugin so i can use adth.net

I just clicked on the link that came up when you load the page.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 25, 2010, 09:20:44 PM
Nice back pass Phil!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 09:20:50 PM
Colemans's direct running and pace giving them problems on the right.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 09:21:00 PM
Early days but it looks that Coleman really could be a viable long-term solution to the right hand side of midfield.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:21:20 PM
Coleman is thriving right now but we still seem to be lacking end product. That Neville backpass was terrible as well.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 09:21:30 PM
wtf....jags n nev , so bloody negative..back passing from the halfway line....tsk
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 09:21:40 PM
how do you get the vshare plugin??

Just click download link in corner and allow in firefox
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 09:21:53 PM
Nice back pass Phil!

Wasn't helped by Jags' telegraphed pass to him in a daft position either.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 09:22:06 PM
Seamus keeping them busy on the right.

Nice to see the left and right with potential to cause some trouble.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 09:24:21 PM
We're well on top, as usual.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 25, 2010, 09:24:40 PM
This is all I have ever asked for. now just to get some goals.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: slothzen on September 25, 2010, 09:24:41 PM
vshare didn't load for me with Firefox, i tried IE and it worked.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 09:24:42 PM
Playing well but no creating real chances again.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bravison on September 25, 2010, 09:24:51 PM
"This is the story of Evertons' season so far..." Oh how true that is...
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 09:25:34 PM
We're needing to make this posession count. It's a bit deja vu at the moment.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
Seamus keeping them busy on the right.

Nice to see the left and right with potential to cause some trouble.

Although Coleman's is not a world class winger, the fact that he's staying out wide, has pace and is willing to run at people (total opposite to what Osman gives) is giving the fulham defence all sorts of problems and creating more space.  It also stops fulham from just concentrating on stopping our left side.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 09:27:19 PM
I wish Jags would f**k off with them aimless balls, what does he expect Yakubu to do with that??
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bravison on September 25, 2010, 09:27:35 PM
Did the stream on http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton) die for anyone else than me?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 09:27:44 PM
Some brilliant football being played, a lot of well weighted passes finding their man and a lot of movement around the pitch.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:28:31 PM
Baines will never score from open play will he?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: biffmalibu on September 25, 2010, 09:28:36 PM
Did the stream on http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton) die for anyone else than me?

up and down
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 09:29:25 PM
wow, I cant believe were second from bottom, we look fookin great going forward
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 09:29:37 PM
http://www.firstrow.net/watch/29036/1/watch-fulham-fc-vs-everton-fc.html (http://www.firstrow.net/watch/29036/1/watch-fulham-fc-vs-everton-fc.html)

poor quality but works.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 09:31:11 PM
wow, I cant believe were second from bottom, we look fookin great going forward

I can. We lack the finishing touch. Without that you can't have goals.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:31:12 PM
wow, I cant believe were second from bottom, we look fookin great going forward

There's looking great and there's scoring though.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 09:31:19 PM
Hangeland is too good.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blob on September 25, 2010, 09:32:02 PM
foreign one working

at least you don't have to listen to the bs

http://gizawya.info/ (http://gizawya.info/)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 09:33:00 PM
yeah, spose so, just really feckin annoying
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: irishtoffee on September 25, 2010, 09:34:20 PM
Did the stream on http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton (http://atdhe.net/24677/watch-fulham-vs-everton) die for anyone else than me?
ya but it came back when i refreshed the page. vaughan sent off for palace
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 09:36:42 PM
West Ham 1 up V Spurs.  :eh:
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 09:40:03 PM
Our defence have some of the worst distribution in history.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2010, 09:40:47 PM
we just cannot create a chance
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 09:41:48 PM
i saved myself the trouble and just woke up (it's 10:45 am here)... how we doing?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 09:41:54 PM
Some of our players just need to bury one to gain some confidence.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 09:42:31 PM
they look like they're really lacking confidence, jags n nev seem far happier to pass back, just dont get whats changed from the end of last season.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 09:42:33 PM
i saved myself the trouble and just woke up (it's 10:45 am here)... how we doing?

Excellent unitl it comes to the final 3rd and as usual we are pretty clueless.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 09:43:54 PM
No one ever just belts it.  Arteta, Fellaini and Pienaar could have all had decent shots from just outside the area.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Derek on September 25, 2010, 09:43:56 PM
We just need a win to get some momentum. It is so clear we are a team without confidence.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 25, 2010, 09:44:22 PM
they look like they're really lacking confidence, jags n nev seem far happier to pass back, just dont get whats changed from the end of last season.

To be fair, we were similar at the end of last season too. Think teams have sussed us.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 09:45:37 PM
Someone heard me, great shot and unlucky from Arteta.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 09:46:10 PM
Great counter attack then.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 09:46:47 PM
No one ever just belts it.  Arteta, Fellaini and Pienaar could have all had decent shots from just outside the area.

Right on cue Arteta smacks one!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: everton-4-ever on September 25, 2010, 09:47:14 PM
we aint second bottom where rock bottom

west ham are beating spurs
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Neville hasn't lost his voice anyway.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: irishtoffee on September 25, 2010, 09:48:14 PM
great hit from arteta.well saved though. we need to get more support higher up the pitch to help the yak. he's having to drop a bit too deep
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:49:37 PM
Well we're playing really well but Fulham are defending excellently. Shame to think that a team that plays this well will have to seriously worry about relegation if they don't start scoring. At least we look much more solid with Arteta and Fellaini in their right positions.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
I remember watching us against west ham last year but the only seats we could get were pitch side, I remember missing the complete first half as the entire match was played on the left, Goodisons pitch is shockingly uneven from pitch side. I said to me mate, I wonder when teams will realise that we are only effective downthe left ?? well maybee thay did :( Mind you Colemans looked mustard today.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 09:50:01 PM
Yeah we are playing well but it counts for nothing if we aren't  creating chances.  Yak hasn't got the ball in a position to shoot yet.  We aren't being helped by our defence though, no one bar Baines can pass a ball forward.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: dunkster on September 25, 2010, 09:50:16 PM
same old same old. havent a clue in the final third.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 09:50:53 PM
It's worryingly predictable at the moment.  We're playing nice football, dominating possesion, fairly comfortable at the back, but not creating any real chances.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 09:51:03 PM
Same as usual, we are by far the better team, yet they've had the best chance. Not sure what Moyes can/will do, we have creativity in Pienaar and Arteta, a bit of directness coming from Coleman and pretty everybody in their best positions and we still can't get it done. We need to get one in somehow, and that will open them up.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 09:51:32 PM
59% posession says it all.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: everton-4-ever on September 25, 2010, 09:53:13 PM
as good as arteta and pienaar are they havent done fuck all in the final 3rd

we sing feed the yak at this rate he will look like an etheopion the service to him has been that poor
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
Bright note is that Arteta is looking much much better, which could be the key to unlocking all these defences.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Blueney-tunes on September 25, 2010, 09:53:51 PM
I wish Pienaar and Fellaini could shoot for a living. Rodwell would be handy.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Confucius on September 25, 2010, 09:54:15 PM
We trying to hard in the final 3rd. Very anxious and nervous. The final ball in has been poor from everyone. We just need to keep going and hope for a little luck.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 09:54:30 PM
one thing yak aint is slim :)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 09:54:46 PM
The only change that springs to mind would be Beckford for Cahill but Moyes will be loathe to do that as Fulham will probably end up with more of the ball because of it. If Coleman is quiet in the second half I wouldn't mind seeing Gueye or Bily come on but knowing Moyes it would be Osman to be introduced.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 09:56:12 PM
Moyes only decent subs second half would be Bilya and Beckford but would that improve this team?  I don't think it would unless he subs Neville for Bilya and puts Coleman at right back it wouldn't make a difference.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 09:56:24 PM
would be a great match for billy, hes the only one who seems to bang em in from distance
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: C-R-A-I-G on September 25, 2010, 09:57:42 PM
As the table stands now we are currently bottom. Its a horrible feeling. To think we have started both of the last two season in this position  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2010, 09:58:26 PM
he wont make any changes right now, we're doing okay, just need a sliver of luck. "keep it tight and nick a goal" will be the instructions.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 09:59:07 PM
Moyes only decent subs second half would be Bilya and Beckford but would that improve this team?  I don't think it would unless he subs Neville for Bilya and puts Coleman at right back it wouldn't make a difference.

I'd be tempted to get Gueye on for Neville, moving Coleman to RB.  Salcido looks half-decent down Fulham's left though so not sure that Coleman would do the job against him.

Gueye can put in the killer cross that we're lacking though. 
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Confucius on September 25, 2010, 09:59:08 PM
We don't need subs for a while yet. Time for Moyes to earn his money and come up with a win. If we draw, we already 8 points behind City, If we win then still 6 points behind them.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Blueney-tunes on September 25, 2010, 10:00:15 PM
fking around with Coleman would be insane seeing as though we finally have a bit of balance and pace in the team.
Hes been top notch!

And the Yak is slim! and for his "fade" ...Weeetweeeo!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: nomorechang on September 25, 2010, 10:00:33 PM
Jags has looked awful , his passes out of defence are worse than ever , someones gonna have to come short and take the ball off him or this is going to be another Villa game
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: AidyEFC9 on September 25, 2010, 10:00:38 PM
Playing well but not creating anything clear cut really, probably over playing sometimes instead of crossing the ball or slipping in a through ball.

Coleman's been a breath of fresh air on the right, he's played well, always wants to take on Salcido at any chance, my one concern his Jags distribution and choice of pass, like Tony Gale says, he's not dropping it into Yak, he's trying to fire it forward, and he could of sometimes played in to midfield but instead went long or sideways or to Howard, like gale said again, he needs to just play to his strengths and give the ball short to the likes of Arteta and Felli who can pass.

My only worry for the 2nd half is, if we carry on like this and don't score, with the way are season as been going, Fulham will have just the one or two attacks and probs score from one of em and we'll find it hard to break em down and get back into it or win, we need to get a goal soon, if we carry on having the lions share of possesion, i wouldn't mind seeing Beckford thrown on alongside Yak to give him some support and someone with legs to do the running and let Yak be the link between attack and midfield
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:00:54 PM
I think he should (and will) keep the team as is, Arteta is looking better and better, and we just need a goal, somehow, from somewhere. Our biggest faults right now are the ridiculous bad distribution from Jagielka and a lack of cutting edge. But we've got the players to break through them, one of Coleman's runs will set us up nicely at some point, and you just know Baines and Pienaar will have a couple nice exchanges.Our corner kicks have been abysmal though, they need to improve.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Paul. on September 25, 2010, 10:01:03 PM
Arteta is going sideways with the ball. Fellaini looks to be the one to play through balls just now.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:02:33 PM
I'd be tempted to get Gueye on for Neville, moving Coleman to RB.  Salcido looks half-decent down Fulham's left though so not sure that Coleman would do the job against him.

Gueye can put in the killer cross that we're lacking though. 

Gueye would be an interesting one but for a piece of genius it has to be Bilya for me.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Paul. on September 25, 2010, 10:04:42 PM
No subs.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 10:04:58 PM
Gueye would be an interesting one but for a piece of genius it has to be Bilya for me.

Chance of genius maybe, but more likely to slow things down and lose possesion of late.

I wouldn't make any subs just yet anyway.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:07:53 PM
Great tackle and build up
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:08:23 PM
Coleman should have done better with those two runs there but he looks threatening at least.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 10:11:19 PM
Jagielka's distribution is appalling.  Arteta and Fellaini show for him but he would still rather punt an aimless ball up towards Yak.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:11:34 PM
In other news West Brom two up at the Emirates. Very depressing for us.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:12:04 PM
Christ. WBA beating Arsenal 2-0!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: irishtoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:12:56 PM
coleman reminds me of stephen hunt. loves running direct at people but he never really seems to have the ball fully under control. as seen when he dummied himself a while ago. west brom leading arsenal 2-0 and sunderland leading liverpool 2-1
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 10:13:20 PM
In other news West Brom two up at the Emirates. Very depressing for us.

Stuck Odemwingie in my fantasy team for today  8)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:13:30 PM
oh no,,,,,AJ coming on, you can just read the headlines now...
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 25, 2010, 10:13:45 PM
West Brom missed a pen too.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:14:15 PM
Stuck Odemwingie in my fantasy team for today  8)

Wish he was in our actual team. Also Fulham are getting on top and I don't like it.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 10:15:07 PM
oh no,,,,,AJ coming on, you can just read the headlines now...

Eddie Johnson not Andy  ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:16:05 PM
Seriously Jagielka has been awful today.  Defending fine but ffs
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:17:10 PM
LOL, im blaming the beer  :blush:
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:17:33 PM
Game's died on it's arse at the moment. All a bit scrappy.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:19:39 PM
Jesus Christ that was close. i thought Hangeland fouled the Yak there though.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
Fulham with tails up now, Distin making a stupid decision there.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:20:32 PM
What a ridiculous run from Baines!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:20:35 PM
Just looking less and less likely to get a goal
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:20:40 PM
If Osman comes on for Cahill Imma be pissed.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:20:42 PM
Yakubu was definitely fouled.  Osman???
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:20:46 PM
fukk me , was wondering when osman would get a look in
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:20:54 PM
WHY IS OSMAN COMING ON?!?!? ffs moyes im better than him!!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Blueney-tunes on September 25, 2010, 10:21:00 PM
why do we have to work really hard to win the ball only to then aimlessly boot it up pitch
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: C-R-A-I-G on September 25, 2010, 10:21:08 PM
FUCK OFF! Moyes is going to take Cahill of for OSMAN   :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:21:08 PM
Fuck. Why are we putting on Leon?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Tinga on September 25, 2010, 10:21:18 PM
Cahill for Osman.....  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 10:21:19 PM
Osman on for Cahill.................whoop de fu**ing doo.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:21:38 PM
Maybe we can sub him off in the 70th minute for Beckford and play 2 up top
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:21:44 PM
Surely if we're trying to win Beckford would be the man for the job.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:21:49 PM
oh yeah obvious choice for cahill.pffffft
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Fellaini25 on September 25, 2010, 10:21:58 PM
Oh FFS!!!

Moyes has to use Osman at some point doesn't he!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: philly on September 25, 2010, 10:22:04 PM
Game over
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:22:27 PM
Stop trying to pass it into the goal!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
Cahill was struggling before but why bring on Osman??? Why not play Bily behind Yak or bring on Beckford
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Derek on September 25, 2010, 10:22:33 PM
Osman has a good record against Fulham away, in his defence.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:22:46 PM
next sub... jan mucha 4 jagielka
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:22:59 PM
Predicting the next sub is Hibbo for Coleman.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:23:26 PM
That said decent move that ended in that long range punt. Maybe we should shoot abit earlier though.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: sharpattack on September 25, 2010, 10:24:10 PM
Osman, FFS I wouldnt let him on the team bus
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: everton-4-ever on September 25, 2010, 10:24:20 PM
i fucking give in with moyes

streams off  through choice lets wait for the inevitable


osman i fucking despair
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Tinga on September 25, 2010, 10:24:52 PM
Why can't Arteta take freekicks?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:25:24 PM
WHY IS OSMAN COMING ON?!?!? ffs moyes im better than him!!

I bet you aren't.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:25:30 PM
Of course Osman couldn't get a touch. That useless git.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:25:43 PM
heyyy who missed an open net.... o osman
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
thas the trouble Arteta DOES
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:25:59 PM
How do we get nothing on that cross?! Perfect chance for Osman make us eat our words as well.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Tinga on September 25, 2010, 10:26:09 PM
He is in the centre so give him a chance and that was so close just then.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 10:26:23 PM
Great play and cross by Coleman, Yak trying a stupid backflick.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: irishtoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:26:47 PM
great ball from coleman there. yak went for a backheel flick and missed it
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 10:28:09 PM
Close there!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:28:19 PM
Most of you lot are fucking retarded, Cahill's injured, Osman hasn't done anything wrong since coming on for Christ's sake give him a chance. Yak should've got a touch there, in form we'd be up right now. We've also looked better since Osman has come on.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:28:37 PM
Yak's link up has been brilliant at times today. Shame Coleman can't beat a man from a standing start.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:28:39 PM
Definitely enjoying Coleman on teh right. Even if he is a bit green he still is competant
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:29:16 PM
heyyy who missed an open net.... o osman

No he didn't. It was about 2 feet infront of him.

Turn it in, he's playing in the middle where he's actually a pretty decent player. Lets see how he gets on instead of everyone jumping on the bandwaggon.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:29:51 PM
No he didn't. It was about 2 feet infront of him.

Turn it in, he's playing in the middle where he's actually a pretty decent player. Lets see how he gets on instead of everyone jumping on the bandwaggon.

This.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:30:14 PM
With Kamara on the game should open up now, someone is going to score.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:30:19 PM
it's not Osman were fukked off with, its Moyes for choosing him for Cahill when we have Billy and Gueye on the bench. (well for me anyway)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: irishtoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:30:47 PM
kamara on for davies. he's a tricky customer lots of pace
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 10:31:19 PM
Most of you lot are fucking retarded, Cahill's injured, Osman hasn't done anything wrong since coming on for Christ's sake give him a chance. Yak should've got a touch there, in form we'd be up right now. We've also looked better since Osman has come on.

 :clap:
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: irishtoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:32:26 PM
dear god west brom up 3-0
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 10:32:26 PM
Beckford warming up, wonder who will come off
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
Fulham are starting to look dangerous.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:32:39 PM
it's not Osman were fukked off with, its Moyes for choosing him for Cahill when we have Billy and Gueye on the bench. (well for me anyway)

And of course we all no better than Moyes does about Gueye, and Bily isn't exactly an insperation at the moment.


Bloody hell, Arsenal 0-3 WBA.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: everton-4-ever on September 25, 2010, 10:32:50 PM
Most of you lot are fucking retarded, Cahill's injured, Osman hasn't done anything wrong since coming on for Christ's sake give him a chance. Yak should've got a touch there, in form we'd be up right now. We've also looked better since Osman has come on.

he's had 5 years worth of chances to win us over
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Derek on September 25, 2010, 10:33:36 PM
3 for West Brom now. Had they scored their penalty it would be 4. Could have been story of the season.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: everton.chris on September 25, 2010, 10:33:56 PM
As it stands we are going bottom
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 25, 2010, 10:34:14 PM
Beckford warming up, wonder who will come off

Yak of course.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:34:20 PM
Beckford warming up, wonder who will come off

the yak
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Blueney-tunes on September 25, 2010, 10:34:30 PM
this is dogshit!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:34:41 PM
3 for West Brom now. Had they scored their penalty it would be 3. Could have been story of the season.

1-3 now. God knows what could happen.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: everton.chris on September 25, 2010, 10:34:50 PM
Quote
Most of you lot are fucking retarded, Cahill's injured, Osman hasn't done anything wrong since coming on for Christ's sake give him a chance. Yak should've got a touch there, in form we'd be up right now. We've also looked better since Osman has come on.
Quote

he's had 5 years worth of chances to win us over

Exactly, the bloke is total cack
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:34:50 PM
Yakubu, without a doubt

I will be dissapointed if this is the case Beckford isn't a lone front man and Yak's link up is vey useful.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Tinga on September 25, 2010, 10:35:38 PM
Plse score Everton i wanna have a weekend with 3 points.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:36:15 PM
So fucking unlucky
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:36:16 PM
Good stuff there, Yak at his finest.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Verm on September 25, 2010, 10:36:18 PM
FUUCKING SCHWARZER!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:36:19 PM
Perfect chance.....ah
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 10:36:29 PM
Great shot form Yak there, he needs to complete the full 90 mins
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Tinga on September 25, 2010, 10:37:05 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:37:05 PM
When Yak eventually scores he should bang them in the way he's playing.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:37:28 PM
he wont... moyes doesn't know you are allowed to have 2 strikers on the pitch at the same time
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 10:37:50 PM
Good defending there by Distin
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:37:59 PM
Almost classic Everton at the back there I would have cried if Johnson had scored that.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:38:21 PM
he's had 5 years worth of chances to win us over

But we're playing better with him right now than we were with Cahill on the pitch, how can't people see that? Blinding hate, and it's pretty pathetic to be honest.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 10:38:40 PM
So close Yakubu!

Good vision from osman but Yak couldn't control.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:39:21 PM
To be fair, Osman has looked dangerous.  Fulham's defending has been superb today.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:39:50 PM
So close Yakubu!

Good vision from osman but Yak couldn't control.

How dare you praise Osman.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:40:46 PM
you wouldnt think it was an away day tbh, weve bossed it as usual
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:40:55 PM
Nev.......
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Tinga on September 25, 2010, 10:41:03 PM
 :tit: shit cross
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:41:05 PM
Neville's crossing makes me wish Hibbo was here.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:41:12 PM
We really have played well you know.  It will be gutting if we don't win
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:41:24 PM
Look how much better Osman looks on the left, it's remarkable.

Really poor cross from Neville, maybe a bit lucky with that challenge from Distin.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Tinga on September 25, 2010, 10:41:25 PM
Neville's crossing makes me wish Hibbo was here.

 o rly
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:41:34 PM
how can any of u stomach watching these guys right now?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: everton-4-ever on September 25, 2010, 10:41:48 PM
But we're playing better with him right now than we were with Cahill on the pitch, how can't people see that? Blinding hate, and it's pretty pathetic to be honest.

not blind hate mate
having watched him for 5 years he is far from the man to call for at times of need

sooner try something new billya gueye than the old familiar sub
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 10:42:11 PM
Coleman has played well but is getting tired, bring Bilya on.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:42:21 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing Moyes bring on a 2nd striker at this point for 8 minutes.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Tinga on September 25, 2010, 10:42:24 PM
how can any of u stomach watching these guys right now?

fuck knows lol.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:42:31 PM
how can any of u stomach watching these guys right now?

If you are not watching, how can you comment?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:42:38 PM
how can any of u stomach watching these guys right now?

What game are you watching?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 10:42:41 PM
how can any of u stomach watching these guys right now?

a.  because we're supporters.
b. because we're playing alright and are unlucky not to be winning.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:42:43 PM
Look how much better Osman looks on the left, it's remarkable.

Really poor cross from Neville, maybe a bit lucky with that challenge from Distin.

Really is he has been much better today and if this isn't an arguement for him never to play right wing again i dopn't know what is.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Blueney-tunes on September 25, 2010, 10:43:51 PM
cant believe we are going to draw with these fking dregs! Now would be the time for Moyes to show his tactical genius!
(do we change formations or tactics mid game?)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:44:22 PM
What game are you watching?

the same game all of u r... its making me queezy but of course you're watching the leon osman show n getting a woody
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: evertonjoe on September 25, 2010, 10:44:31 PM
*sigh* Fellaini appears to have gone up top again.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:45:00 PM
Really is he has been much better today and if this isn't an arguement for him never to play right wing again i dopn't know what is.
deffo, by far and away a better central mid...winger ?? nah
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:45:25 PM
not blind hate mate
having watched him for 5 years he is far from the man to call for at times of need

sooner try something new billya gueye than the old familiar sub

But he's playing well, can you (or other people) not recognize that? We've looked much more threatening since he's come on, which means it was a good substitution. Bily would slow our play down too much, which is the opposite of what we need, and whether or not Gueye would make a more positive impact is pretty difficult to tell.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:45:55 PM
Nev is just hoofing in the middle w/o looking
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 10:46:06 PM
the same game all of u r... its making me queezy but of course you're watching the leon osman show n getting a woody

Congratulations on one of the most pathetic comments ever on NSNO.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:46:39 PM
come on bill lad !!!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: cantoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:46:57 PM
the same game all of u r... its making me queezy but of course you're watching the leon osman show n getting a woody

You're a fucking idiot, seriously, one of the dumbest people on here, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Amata on September 25, 2010, 10:47:05 PM
Bily coming on with instructions to score a hattrick and create another 2.....all in 3 1/2 mins
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:47:40 PM
Ya Moyes great decision.....Sub Bily on with 2 min to go
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:47:45 PM
o of course, because its just an enjoyment watching this game.. osman is having one good half of football n now he's a magician
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:49:00 PM
the same game all of u r... its making me queezy but of course you're watching the leon osman show n getting a woody

It's not about the Osman show. I don't mind constructive comments, but you always decide to chat shit.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 10:49:24 PM
o of course, because its just an enjoyment watching this game.. osman is having one good half of football n now he's a magician

What the fuck are you on about? You're clearly a bit special.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:49:51 PM
please explain...
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:50:00 PM
What the fuck are you on about? You're clearly a bit special needs.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 10:51:01 PM
Good play by osman. So close!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:51:10 PM
fook me
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:51:14 PM
Yak is slowly coming back to form
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:51:57 PM
Seriously you moaning bunch of feckers.  Osman has shown some excellent control and has arguably shown better interplay with Yakubu than Cahill.  It is no coincidence Yak has nearly scored 3 times since he came on.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:52:02 PM
Yak is slowly coming back to form

i agree... he's been so unlucky
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Verm on September 25, 2010, 10:52:39 PM
How the fuck have we not won this match?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Tinga on September 25, 2010, 10:52:47 PM
0-0
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:53:23 PM
So looks like we finally hit rock bottom.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 10:53:29 PM
So frustrating.  Things just aren't going our way at the moment, even when we do create the chances. 

Yak deserves a goal, as does our general play. 
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: everton.chris on September 25, 2010, 10:53:34 PM
Bottom of the pile..... Way to go, not quite top 6
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bloody scally on September 25, 2010, 10:54:26 PM
2 more matches for Moyes until he's under tremendous pressure.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 10:54:35 PM
FUCKINHELL!

2 points dropped after a good performance.

Passing looked a lot sharper, a clean sheet and we were unlucky not to get a result. Osman looked good as well, only lost posession once and was always looking for the right pass.

Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 10:54:45 PM
A point isn't a bad result away from home against Fulham but we deserved so much more today.  They were excellent defensively though. 
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 25, 2010, 10:54:52 PM
At least we didn't concede and at least Moyes "appears" to have learnt that playing players out of position does not work.

Historically speaking, a good point. But it should have been 3.

No complaints from me today.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:54:55 PM
How the fuck have we not won this match?

it's not january yet... o just wait patiently everyone :)
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:55:02 PM
*Battens down the hatches*
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: dunkster on September 25, 2010, 10:55:26 PM
on another day....................better overall but all the things that go wrong when lucks against you/confidence is low.

Osman should have been alive more to the balls that nearly fell to him.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: C-R-A-I-G on September 25, 2010, 10:55:29 PM
We can take positives from this match. Moyes has moved Fellaini back to DM, has played Coleman RM and Yakubu looks like he could be getting back to his old self. Also we have kept a clean sheet. Getting a point at Fulham is a good result. Its just ashame we didnt win.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on September 25, 2010, 10:55:44 PM
bottom.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2010, 10:56:03 PM
christ i can't believe that. we played really well, we just cannot score for love or money.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: irishtoffee on September 25, 2010, 10:56:15 PM
that was a poor game to say the least. i know the yak missed a few chances but at least he's starting to look a bit sharper. i think he could be about to hit form.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 10:56:19 PM
We can take positives from this match. Moyes has moved Fellaini back to DM, has played Coleman RM and Yakubu looks like he could be getting back to his old self. Also we have kept a clean sheet. Getting a point at Fulham is a good result. Its just ashame we didnt win.

we're really not in a position to be taking positives from a draw... we need a fucking victory!! we're in dead last!!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 10:56:36 PM
And that's earned a suspension

You're kidding?  People abuse each other all over the show on here without getting suspended.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Bluenosebolt on September 25, 2010, 10:57:05 PM
Seriously you moaning bunch of feckers.  Osman has shown some excellent control and has arguably shown better interplay with Yakubu than Cahill.  It is no coincidence Yak has nearly scored 3 times since he came on.

yup you called it, tbh with osman as a central mid he looks a different player, Its really not Osman as a player people get fukked off with, its where he's played....we should have won that, but there must be positives to be got from that, we had most of the possesion and a fair few on target, Lets hope next game, Moyes stops the playing people out of position, I recon with that showing we look as good as last year just a bit more nlucky in front of goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Fynci on September 25, 2010, 10:57:35 PM
I love how every other season with our record at Fulham, we'd happily take a point. Yet because we're on a terrible run of form, the doom and gloom continues.

We played well, but definitely lack the final touch. Schwartzer pulled off two or three excellent saves today, when one of those shots hits the back of the net then we'll be fine. It's just a confidence thing right now.

Positives - Coleman played well on the right, and is actually a new option. Yak also looked lively, when he scores he'll be banging them in.

Bring on Birmigham.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 10:59:07 PM
You're kidding?  People abuse each other all over the show on here without getting suspended.

Thought it was quite tame compared to some of the stuff that gets shouted out. People have been called c**ts and nothing happens.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 10:59:24 PM
The only negative about Yakubu today was the amount of times he was needlessly called offside. That should change as his match sharpness improves.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 10:59:35 PM
Happy to finally see Coleman get a run out at RM, and hopefully Moyes will stick with him there until Anichibe is back. Would like to see Moyes employ a 2nd striker, but overall I am not upset with the lineup. Would like to see Johnny inserted in the back 4 as well, but beggers can't be choosers. Still frustrated we did not win, but we can't get any worse now.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: brap2 on September 25, 2010, 11:00:01 PM
yeah let's face it, point is OK. we played really well, let's take the positives and look forward to next week.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Dingodingodingo on September 25, 2010, 11:00:57 PM
I thought Distan did well today.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gareth on September 25, 2010, 11:01:51 PM
it was a constant stream, that was the latest one

Quit floppin'
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: bedfordtoffee on September 25, 2010, 11:02:01 PM
Point is not okay we have three after six games and are bottom of the league without a win. We have Birmingham next , a week off then  the redshite.
Tell me with confidence we won't be bottom on October 18? Cos we will.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
we're really not in a position to be taking positives from a draw... we need a fucking victory!! we're in dead last!!

The performance was positive, most people were in there prefered positions.

Like the Villa game earlier, we'll play worse this season and win.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Happy to finally see Coleman get a run out at RM, and hopefully Moyes will stick with him there until Anichibe is back. Would like to see Moyes employ a 2nd striker, but overall I am not upset with the lineup. Would like to see Johnny inserted in the back 4 as well, but beggers can't be choosers. Still frustrated we did not win, but we can't get any worse now.

Yeah but to be fair who do you swap him for.  I was saying Distin but he was far better than Jags today IMO.  Distin Jags definitely doesn't work.  Neither of them can pass for shit.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 11:02:56 PM
it was a constant stream, that was the latest one

So why was cantoffee singled out?  Several of us abused the lad for 2 or 3 ridiculous comments?

He's reacted in the heat of the moment during a massively frustrating part of a game in a massively frustrating time for us in general.  He's a good poster on here and suspending him in my opinion is a massive overreaction Si - by all means warn him but suspending him seems extremely harsh.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Father Mcnulty on September 25, 2010, 11:03:21 PM
That's it.

I'm making a doll and have already ordered some sharp needles.  ???
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blueToffee on September 25, 2010, 11:03:39 PM
A definite improvement, hopefully we can build on it. We looked a lot more balanced and Yakubu is looking more like the player we knew.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: American Evertonian on September 25, 2010, 11:04:47 PM
Yeah but to be fair who do you swap him for.  I was saying Distin but he was far better than Jags today IMO.  Distin Jags definitely doesn't work.  Neither of them can pass for shit.

Distin. Solely b/c of how well Jags and Johnny played together last year.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 11:05:09 PM
yea ridiculous comments.. me saying im annoyed by how we cant win 1 single match, and saying osman is shit and you all are anointing him a god for 1 decent half..  
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: pro_evo on September 25, 2010, 11:05:25 PM
jags is the new hoof ball master, pack it in lad its not good its shite.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 11:05:39 PM
it was a constant stream, that was the latest one

I think he said once that "most of you are retards" and called Meak a "fucking idiot" So it wasn't really a constant stream.

As said, there's been far worse in the past. And some poster would test the patients of a saint.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 11:06:03 PM
I'm going to be honest and say it isn't open for discussion.  The decision has been made.  He'll be posting again tomorrow if he wants.

Superb.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 11:07:44 PM
yea ridiculous comments.. me saying im annoyed by how we cant win 1 single match, and saying osman is shit and you all are anointing him a god for 1 decent half.. 

No one is calling him a god, not one single person.  Just one or two people with brains don't feel the need to froth at the mouth and type shit about him before he's even touched the ball. 
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blue for you on September 25, 2010, 11:08:18 PM
at least we didn't lose and had a clean sheet as well yak missed a few pity
saha wasn't playing we won have won 2 or 3 nil he would have scored the chances that
yak missed. we are bottom but win are next two games and we will be back in the top
half of the table heads up it can't get any worse.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Confucius on September 25, 2010, 11:08:39 PM
I thought the table never lies...
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Meak on September 25, 2010, 11:09:03 PM
No one is calling him a god, not one single person.  Just one or two people with brains don't feel the need to froth at the mouth and type shit about him before he's even touched the ball. 


well he's been shit all season, and we take off cahill for a man whose a backup at best in this league
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 25, 2010, 11:10:39 PM
well he's been shit all season, and we take off cahill for a man whose a backup at best in this league

Cahill has had a knock and I assume he came off as a result.  He was struggling after a challenger earlier on.

But none of that matters anyway, you were getting abused for putting words in other people's mouths.  That tends to annoy people funnily enough.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Confucius on September 25, 2010, 11:12:50 PM
I dont know if I should be encouraged or downright depressed
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: pro_evo on September 25, 2010, 11:15:05 PM
we have no excuses this season .......... wait till we start to lose KEY players to injury or suspension, this is now a desperate season,  we are guilty of having average players and thinking we are a top 4 side.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: AidyEFC9 on September 25, 2010, 11:15:45 PM
Yesterday before the game i said i'd be happy with a point today and i really should be but after seeing that im not. With the way we played we should of won, and with 10, 15 mins to go, gaps was starting to appear in Fulhams defence and Yak was getting in but for a better ball and for me at that point the game was crying out for Beckford to be on and to get in those spaces with his pace and movement and Moyes refused to go for it, unbelievable, it could of been so much better for us today if he'd of risked it and just gone for it for once but he didn't, i can remember when he took over and in his first full season with us, he'd go for it and have 3 strikers on at a time, Campbell, Radzinski and Rooney to try and win games, now he wont even throw two on up top, whats up with him, we was playing well and having ago so why not go for it and put Beckford up there with Yak and try and win it?.

With the way are seasons gone so far, its a very good point but after watching that performance, i cant help think it could of been so much better if Moyes would of grown some balls and been braver and gone for it with Beckford up front with Yak, if we'd of took 3 points from today off the back of that performance, are confidence would of grown alot and are season would be back on track ahead of a tough away game next week and then the derby
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 11:20:48 PM
well he's been shit all season, and we take off cahill for a man whose a backup at best in this league

Has he been out of position all season (all six games of it so far btw)?  Yes
Put in a position behind the striker he was a different player today.  He has been dreadful but have you never heard of credit when it is due?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 25, 2010, 11:21:21 PM
well he's been shit all season, and we take off cahill for a man whose a backup at best in this league

He's been shit on the right wing, which he's totally unsuited for. As a cental midfielder he's a pretty decent player. You decided to jump on the bandwagon before he'd even touched the ball, no doubt just following the crowd.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 25, 2010, 11:23:27 PM
Everton boss David Moyes after seeing his side drop to the bottom of the Premier League with a 0-0 draw at Fulham:  "I'm a little bit disappointed we didn't get the three points, but pleased we got a clean sheet. This is a hard place for us to come and we showed no lack of confidence. We just couldn't make that killer pass - when we get the box we're just hitting a brick wall."

That is probably the most sense Moyesy has talked all season.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Sprooly on September 25, 2010, 11:24:03 PM
Yesterday before the game i said i'd be happy with a point today and i really should be but after seeing that im not. With the way we played we should of won, and with 10, 15 mins to go, gaps was starting to appear in Fulhams defence and Yak was getting in but for a better ball and for me at that point the game was crying out for Beckford to be on and to get in those spaces with his pace and movement and Moyes refused to go for it, unbelievable, it could of been so much better for us today if he'd of risked it and just gone for it for once but he didn't, i can remember when he took over and in his first full season with us, he'd go for it and have 3 strikers on at a time, Campbell, Radzinski and Rooney to try and win games, now he wont even throw two on up top, whats up with him, we was playing well and having ago so why not go for it and put Beckford up there with Yak and try and win it?.

With the way are seasons gone so far, its a very good point but after watching that performance, i cant help think it could of been so much better if Moyes would of grown some balls and been braver and gone for it with Beckford up front with Yak, if we'd of took 3 points from today off the back of that performance, are confidence would of grown alot and are season would be back on track ahead of a tough away game next week and then the derby


im not convinced that beckford would of made a difference
Yakubu made a lot of room for himself due to his physical strength and him tearing hangeland a new one


osman though should of had a tap in but lost concentration was poor from him
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Jamokachi on September 25, 2010, 11:29:24 PM
well he's been shit all season, and we take off cahill for a man whose a backup at best in this league

That's your problem isn't it? I'm willing to bet you're balls deep in a blow-up doll with a Cahill mask as you type this constant shit. Prat.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: kunal32 on September 25, 2010, 11:34:52 PM
...yeah yeah we played well, the performance was okay, so what did we win??? NO. Facts speak for themselves we are bottom!!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Jamokachi on September 25, 2010, 11:41:29 PM
Yeah, the facts do speak for themselves. We did play well. We did make chances. We did look confident. We did keep a clean sheet. We did take a pont from our bogey ground. You can whinge and moan as much as you want, but this was a decent result.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Sres on September 25, 2010, 11:51:40 PM
Lots of chances
Clean sheet
Commanded
Lacked shots on goal until last few minutes

Thought we played well (watched second half, listened first).  In general better than last couple of games, some strange substitutions again from Moyes, clearly doesn't know his best team.

Overall 6/10 must try harder for the team.

Moyes... Back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gareth on September 25, 2010, 11:52:22 PM
Ban Meak for being a know nothing Yank.

Atleast Cantoffee brings something to the forum.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Alanvideo on September 25, 2010, 11:54:37 PM
Yeah, the facts do speak for themselves. We did play well. We did make chances. We did look confident. We did keep a clean sheet. We did take a pont from our bogey ground. You can whinge and moan as much as you want, but this was a decent result.
...........taken in isolation this is a decent result for the reasons you've stated ......but in the overall context of the season so far it's bad. We are rock bottom and the table doesn't lie.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Sres on September 26, 2010, 12:00:17 AM
it's a minor blip, look at the teams around us and the goals conceded...
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Jamokachi on September 26, 2010, 12:03:37 AM
...........taken in isolation this is a decent result for the reasons you've stated ......but in the overall context of the season so far it's bad. We are rock bottom and the table doesn't lie.

You have to build from somewhere. In fact, taking the context of the season into account I'd say this result is better than expected.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 26, 2010, 12:08:54 AM
Lots of chances
Clean sheet
Commanded
Lacked shots on goal until last few minutes

Thought we played well (watched second half, listened first).  In general better than last couple of games, some strange substitutions again from Moyes, clearly doesn't know his best team.

Overall 6/10 must try harder for the team.

Moyes... Back to the drawing board.

I don't agree on Moyes today.  Played his strongest team. Didn't agree with the Osman sub until I realised he wasn't on the right and he made an impact.  Coleman looked wrecked when he came on.  All made sense to me.  Yakubu got 90 minutes which really pleased me.  Moyes has been very wrong this season but he was right today.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 26, 2010, 12:33:05 AM
so playing Coleman on the right worked and gave us a threat down both sides instead of just the left?

who would have thought that eh?

if only someone would have told Moyes!  But wait, Moyes watches his players every day in training, he knows best....

Damned no matter what he does then eh!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 26, 2010, 12:36:46 AM
he did the right thing today with his starting line-up - almost, Distin for Heitinga would have been a good idea

but it's taken him 6 games and all manner of people saying that is what he should do before he does it

can't we just pick the team by the popular opinion?  it's what Moyes does eventually anyway

Eh?  Doesn't the fact the stubborn fucker refuses to pick the team we all want prove that he doesn't pick by popular opinion?  I agree on Heitinga although not sure who is worse right now, Jags or Distin they seem to swap game for game.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Jamokachi on September 26, 2010, 12:37:16 AM
Damned no matter what he does then eh!

Watch out, I dared make that call last week.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 26, 2010, 12:38:52 AM
It's ace when you can moan about something not being done, and then you can moan when it is done as well.

You're pretty much guaranteed a moan, and you're pretty much in a no-lose situation.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: chang on September 26, 2010, 12:52:51 AM
OK bottom, 3 points. Piss poor, but I think most people inside really believe / know that the team has most of the components to be very good, and that at some point the tide will turn.

Other teams are also unhappy,albeit up the table a bit, Spurs for instance, I cant see Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool fans being over joyed this evening either.......Fulham have done well this season, they miss Zamora big time, but a draw there is not a poor result if looked at in isolation.

It is a long haul fellas, we will be there or there abouts come May......
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: .Rimbo. on September 26, 2010, 12:55:28 AM
jags is the new hoof ball master, pack it in lad its not good its shite.

Admittedly I didn't see the game today but it's funny how his distribution is much better for England, doncha think?
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Blueney-tunes on September 26, 2010, 12:57:42 AM
Player for player we far exeeded them. Anyone upbeat or happy with todays performance needs to be put down.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: ToxtethBlue on September 26, 2010, 01:00:17 AM
Admittedly I didn't see the game today but it's funny how is distribution is much better for England, doncha think?

The tempo is completely different, you get far more time on the ball at international level. It's not like Fellaini and Arteta weren't dropping deep and making themselves available, his distribution was simply poor, and that's down to him, nothing else.

Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 26, 2010, 01:03:11 AM
Player for player we far exeeded them. Anyone upbeat or happy with todays performance needs to be put down.

Re-read what you have just typed!  It was obviously a good performance then wasn't it?  You can be happy with the the performance and disappointed by the result you know!
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 26, 2010, 02:03:09 AM
It's interesting when you look at the table. Fulham are 6th, 5 points ahead of us, with 5 draws in 6 games. I'm sorry to try to put a positive on this, because I know it's not the done thing on here at the moment.

The league looks like it's going to be really tight this year, with some freak results already being thrown up. I'm still convinced that if we keep playing like we have, we'll soon get a run of results and start climbing up the table. We need goals though, 2 goals in 2 minutes against Man Utd but very little else. In reality we're only a couple of goals short of top 6 so far this season.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: philly on September 26, 2010, 02:59:46 AM
Hopefully this performance will have showed Mr Moyes what his best starting midfield is - it's no surprise that when fellaini plays dm we don't concede. If he keeps osman off the wing and the yak can get on a run we'll all be singing his praises again. Just think how different all the posts would have been if the yak had put one of those chances again.

Plus once Vic is back we'll be back to our strongest possible 11 available.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 26, 2010, 03:03:53 AM
Talking of Vic, is there any word at all on when he's likely to be back?  I really think he would have made a difference for us so far this season.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Silas on September 26, 2010, 03:05:22 AM
Talking of Vic, is there any word at all on when he's likely to be back?  I really think he would have made a difference for us so far this season.

Six weeks
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: philly on September 26, 2010, 03:06:19 AM
He's gone for an op on his knee so it's another 6 weeks - and knowing vic's aversion to physio it could be anything unto 2 months before he's back in the squad.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Risky on September 26, 2010, 03:07:25 AM
Crikey, hope he comes back and picks up where he left off.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: AidyEFC9 on September 26, 2010, 03:10:01 AM

I'm not convinced that beckford would of made a difference
Yakubu made a lot of room for himself due to his physical strength and him tearing hangeland a new one


Osman though should of had a tap in but lost concentration was poor from him


Don't get me wrong, Yak had a good game today and should of got us a goal but with 10 or so mins to go, Fulham were starting to hold a high line and leaving space in behind and one or two times Yak nearly got in and i think with Beckford, fresh legs and a bit of pace and good movement off the last defender, he might of got in and who knows, might of nicked us the win?.

But with us having alot of the game and to the very end aswell, i'd of liked to of seen Moyes put on Beckford for the last 10 and give Yak some support cos Yak all game was pulling wide and dropping deep and pulling his marker all over and i think that would of been ideal for Beckford as it would of give him more room to run into and we could of maybe exploited it a bit better that way and created more.

Yeah, the facts do speak for themselves. We did play well. We did make chances. We did look confident. We did keep a clean sheet. We did take a point from our bogey ground. You can whinge and moan as much as you want, but this was a decent result.


A point down there is good in are current state of affairs, but is it worrying anyone else that we are playing well but not scoring and getting results?. That's when you should get goals and win when playing like we did today and against Wolves 1st half, Villa for 60 mins and against United but what about when are form dips, confidence is low and we aren't playing well and then were not even picking up draws, we'll be fucked!.

If we go about things the way we did today and carry on playing well and creating a bit more then sooner or later we will score goals and win games but in all my time of supporting and watching Everton, i know they wont play like that consistently over a run of games, we play like that one week and then play shit for 2 or 3, we never play like we did today or like we did against United this season and last or play like we did against Fiorentina in Europe a few seasons ago on a regular basis. I know you cant play like that every week but surely we can play summat like most weeks, but we don't, but if we did we'd win most games than not but we have too many shit games and not enough good ones consistently. That's what separates us from the top 4 or 5 teams in this league IMO, they rarely, if ever have too many shit games were there shockingly bad and lose but every season your guaranteed that with Everton, we've got too many bad games in us which cost us in the end.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: philly on September 26, 2010, 03:10:34 AM
Crikey, hope he comes back and picks up where he left off.

I think that's what everyones praying for - Moyes would actually start him there over Osman which would give him the chance to warm the bench and be an impact sub like today.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blue for you on September 26, 2010, 03:25:00 AM
when will saha be back would be more like it i think he is the only striker
who will get us goals at the moment
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: blargins on September 26, 2010, 03:33:56 AM
when will saha be back would be more like it i think he is the only striker
who will get us goals at the moment

He hasn't scored since February though.
Title: Re: Everton v Fulham
Post by: Gash on September 26, 2010, 05:04:39 AM
when will saha be back would be more like it i think he is the only striker
who will get us goals at the moment

Strange one. When he got injured 3 weeks ago they said three weeks. Yesterday they said another 3 weeks?