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Title: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Morta75 on June 10, 2018, 02:25:03 PM
I think this kid should get a chance in the first team this season. I really liked what I saw in pre-season last year from him. I also think he has grown after the Nottingham Forest stay, where he did very well in my opinion.
Any thoughts on him and the coming season fellow Evertonians?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 10, 2018, 02:31:26 PM
I just dont see where he plays for us. He wont get enough games. Feel another loan possibky on the cards.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Silas on June 10, 2018, 02:33:44 PM
I've got a feeling he will sign for a Championship team. There's shades of the David Nugents about him although I may be way off.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on June 10, 2018, 03:42:34 PM
I think Silva will really like a player like dowell and he could well breakthrough next season.

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Mac934 on June 10, 2018, 04:03:10 PM
I watched the game last night. He took his goal well, but other than than didn't stand out much. Mind you no one particularly shone that bright over the whole game. Shocking miss by Abraham too.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Waltzer on June 10, 2018, 04:05:46 PM
Wasnt he getting slaughtered at Forest towards the end as his early season form plummeted, from what I was reading he was lucky to be in their team at times?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Brownie20 on June 10, 2018, 04:17:34 PM
Wasnt he getting slaughtered at Forest towards the end as his early season form plummeted, from what I was reading he was lucky to be in their team at times?

Wasn't that due to the new manager's defensive tactics and playing him out of position?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 10, 2018, 04:23:29 PM
Wasnt he getting slaughtered at Forest towards the end as his early season form plummeted, from what I was reading he was lucky to be in their team at times?

I would imagine that when a Premier League player turns up on loan to a Championship club the fans of the Championship club will have unrealistic expectations of the player. Dowell probably got an unfair portion of the blame for Forest's poor season.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on June 10, 2018, 04:58:02 PM
Fan opinion, not surprisingly, seemed to sway from being too good for them, to getting quite a bit of stick.

@Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) makes the point quite a few times that his style of player (laconic etc) doesnít go down well with our crowd when itís not going well either personally or for the team.

Being moved out of position isnít great but it shouldnít mean he ended up being useless or dropped.

Slow players need to learn how to get round their lack of speed; donít see a need to rush this with him.

If he can get another yearís errors out the way then thatís fine.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 10, 2018, 05:18:51 PM
Not dynamic enough for a Silva bullet up top.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on June 10, 2018, 05:28:09 PM
Sure he'll get his chance pre-season.

Not sure there's an obvious role for him in a Silva side but I'm sure there'll be one found if he's good enough.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 10, 2018, 07:07:38 PM
Is he really that slow? People going on like heís as slow as Harry Kane here.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blargins on June 10, 2018, 07:13:26 PM
Wasn't that due to the new manager's defensive tactics and playing him out of position?

Even the manager admitted he played him out of position in the second half of the season which contributed to his loss of form.

Not really seen much of him, but would be nice if he could save us a few quid by being able to step up for us.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 10, 2018, 07:18:54 PM
Anyone got a video of his goal?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on June 10, 2018, 07:43:24 PM
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 10, 2018, 08:01:43 PM
Cool taken that. Many would have blasted it but he picked his spot so it didn't get blocked. I think there's a player there and he needs to be given a chance pre season to see if he's progressed since the loan.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: dunkster on June 10, 2018, 08:14:19 PM
Love it when you loan a young player to a team who then decide to play him out of position and cause a drastic downturn in form.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 10, 2018, 08:35:01 PM
Sure he'll get his chance pre-season.

Not sure there's an obvious role for him in a Silva side but I'm sure there'll be one found if he's good enough.
The lad is obviously a very good player. He will get a chance again, I'm with you, not sure where he fits in the 433 system but listening to brands saying rather than buying squad players we will use the young lads then I can see him getting time

Maybe the left of the 3 up top
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on June 10, 2018, 11:04:37 PM
Depends on how many we ship out the door to ease the wage bill on whether he'll get a crack this season. In my opinion he's still not there yet and with Silva's high press/tempo his game could either be a very neat cog in the middle of it or be way out of his depth. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Juanito on June 10, 2018, 11:09:57 PM
Think another loan will do him good.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Danny on June 11, 2018, 02:33:57 AM
I'd sell him with a buy back
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on June 11, 2018, 02:36:25 AM
I'd sell him with a buy back

Really? Heís just turned twenty and has great potential. Why sell him?

I can see the argument for another loan but thatís a bit drastic.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 11, 2018, 02:57:58 AM
Really? Heís just turned twenty and has great potential. Why sell him?

I can see the argument for another loan but thatís a bit drastic.

Not necessarily him but I think thereís a decent argument for moving on some of the young players soon. On the cheap but with a big sell on clause or a cheap buy back. Let them get on with their careers with some insurance for us. Is it Pennington the centre half who weíve just renewed? Absolutely no point in that
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on June 11, 2018, 03:39:36 AM
Not necessarily him but I think thereís a decent argument for moving on some of the young players soon. On the cheap but with a big sell on clause or a cheap buy back. Let them get on with their careers with some insurance for us. Is it Pennington the centre half who weíve just renewed? Absolutely no point in that

Depends on potential, age and what we have currently though doesnít it.

Iím all for making sure these young players get a shot either here or elsewhere to forge a good career, especially if theyíve come through the academy, but itís a fine balance.

Dowell very much ticks all the boxes as a keep though and I really canít see any argument that makes a very talented, highly thought of, young, local player being sold presently.

Maybe that'd change if he wants away but so far he seems happy with his career path. 
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 11, 2018, 03:44:02 AM
Depends on potential, age and what we have currently though doesnít it.

Iím all for making sure these young players get a shot either here or elsewhere to forge a good career, especially if theyíve come through the academy, but itís a fine balance.

Dowell very much ticks all the boxes as a keep though and I really canít see any argument that makes a very talented, highly thought of, young, local player being sold presently.

Maybe that'd change if he wants away but so far he seems happy with his career path. 

Be daft to make that decision on him now. Thereís clearly a potential path for him getting decent minutes with us
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Morta75 on June 11, 2018, 02:17:35 PM
Could be way off her, but I see him a bit like a young Gareth Barry. The pace I agree with, but still not that slow he is... hmmm...
Thanks for a lote off good opinions
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Toddacelli on June 11, 2018, 02:17:35 PM
I think his next move should be inbetween.
Don't think he's ready to break into our first team. Don't think another loan at that level will improve him.

Loan to another PL team? Maybe a newly promoted team? (although they tend to cling to the nucleus of what brought them up when it comes to the middle of the park)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Danny on June 11, 2018, 10:15:23 PM
Really? Heís just turned twenty and has great potential. Why sell him?

I can see the argument for another loan but thatís a bit drastic.

I don't see him making it here in the next few years, I think it'd be better for him to go out and see what life is like outside of Everton and if he makes it we can snap him back up on the cheap, if he doesn't then he definitely wouldn't have playing for us.