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Title: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Everton News on March 29, 2017, 12:27:19 AM
What is Ross Barkley for?

So it happens once again. An England manager calls up an Everton player and doesn't use him.

Source: What is Ross Barkley for? (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/03/what-is-ross-barkley-for/)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on March 29, 2017, 03:01:52 AM
He should announce his retirement from International football and concentrate on the mighty blues.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: everton1952 on March 29, 2017, 03:18:19 AM
Don't care if he plays for England or not. Maybe he does though. The answer to the question is that he is a well paid Everton professional and is expected to help us climb the greasy pole. 
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on March 29, 2017, 04:50:37 AM
Don't care if he plays for England or not. Maybe he does though. The answer to the question is that he is a well paid Everton professional and is expected to help us climb the greasy pole.

Yeah well he needs to sign a contract first. And he'd better do it soon.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on March 29, 2017, 09:52:02 PM
I think that's a harshly critical piece...I understand that Barkleys' playing well at the moment and many can rightly argue better than those southgate actually played....however...

These managers cant win....

play a player and he's tired for Saturdays fixtures......"he shouldn't have played him"
Play a player and he gets injured........ "he shouldn't have played him...."
Put a player on for last 15/20 mins.....and it's "what's the point of that"
Don't play a player....and it's "why didn't he play him....."
Pick a player and don't use him at all.........and it's "what's the point of taking him at all...."
Don't pick him for the squad......and it's "why I hasn't he been picked they hate Everton"....

What you have to remember they require a squad of 22 and there'll always be some players don't get picked at all....
and the purpose of friendlies......

Because he's our Ross...I think we should take our blue tinted glasses off....and realise that it may just be.. he realises what Barkley can offer and when best to use him...to get the best out of him...

You also need to remember he's only 2 games into a new job.....and just how "political" a job it is being the England manager

Easy to be a manager on a console.........

You should try the real thing....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on March 29, 2017, 10:16:36 PM
What you have to remember they require a squad of 22 and there'll always be some players don't get picked at all....

That argument works until you realise he was the only outfield player not to have featured at all. While what you say is true, people will moan either way, but there's absolutely no excuse for Southgate's actions. At best it's very poor man-management.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on March 29, 2017, 10:20:03 PM
That argument works until you realise he was the only outfield player not to have featured at all. While what you say is true, people will moan either way, but there's absolutely no excuse for Southgate's actions. At best it's very poor man-management.

Didn't Cylne sit it out as well?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on March 29, 2017, 10:25:17 PM
Didn't Cylne sit it out as well?

Yes but not for his 7th consequitive call up.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on March 29, 2017, 10:31:49 PM
That argument works until you realise he was the only outfield player not to have featured at all. While what you say is true, people will moan either way, but there's absolutely no excuse for Southgate's actions. At best it's very poor man-management.

I understand the sentiment...but disagree with the last bit..after all when koeman left him out it was "good man management"( I know not 7 times)....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on March 29, 2017, 10:32:31 PM
Yes but not for his 7th consequitive call up.

although southgate cant be blamed for the first 5 times..
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on March 29, 2017, 10:32:41 PM
Yes but not for his 7th consequitive call up.

You can hardly go blaming Southgate for not playing Barkley in fixtures that Hodgson and Allardcye presided over though.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on March 29, 2017, 10:51:55 PM
Woah ! Wasn't blaming Southgate at all, why would I ? Just saying.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on March 29, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
I understand the sentiment...but disagree with the last bit..after all when koeman left him out it was "good man management"( I know not 7 times)....

Koeman didn't just leave Ross on the bench, he told him exactly what is happening and why. Of course we don't know whether such a discussion happened or not with Southgate, but from Barkley's reaction we can make an educated guess.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on March 30, 2017, 12:32:32 AM
TBH I'd be gobsmacked if such a conversation never took place....but like you said we'll probably never know until Ross's book comes out.....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 30, 2017, 12:42:21 AM
Didn't Cylne sit it out as well?
Yes but not for his 7th consequitive call up.

Eek
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Goaljira on March 30, 2017, 08:37:31 PM
Well its now obvious he's not for doing adverts either.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sure/status/847416395218341889
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jamokachi on March 31, 2017, 02:54:27 AM
Well its now obvious he's not for doing adverts either.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sure/status/847416395218341889

That's ok, as anyone who remembers the Giggs reebok adverts from the 90s will tell you lolol
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 05, 2017, 01:42:10 PM
Osman on Barkley:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04z2nms
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Gash on April 05, 2017, 01:46:43 PM
Osman on Barkley:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04z2nms

Can't disagree with that.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 05, 2017, 02:02:55 PM
Osman on Barkley:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04z2nms

That's got to upset a few people on here!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TSGun on April 05, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
They're interesting comments from Osman, whom I must confess I loved as a player, considering he was a late bloomer himself.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 05, 2017, 02:14:11 PM
Sometimes you need to hear it from a fellow pro and ex-teammate with no axe to grind for it to hit home.

Most of us have known it for a while like but some have been blinded.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 05, 2017, 02:18:31 PM
If Ross wasn't a scouser would we still want him here with all the doubts on his improvement. I still don't think he has the brain to match the talents...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 05, 2017, 02:20:41 PM
That's got to upset a few people on here!

Nah, Osman is a boo boy and is part of the media appropriate lack of respect  to force the player to Spurs obviously!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 05, 2017, 02:53:32 PM
But isn't being the player with the "most chances created" considered kicking on? Considering we have a league with the likes of Ozil, Silva, Coutinho and Hazard.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on April 05, 2017, 03:16:21 PM
Can't listen to it.

What did he say?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 05, 2017, 03:16:55 PM
Load of old shite from Ossie, as usual. Think he's a terrible pundit, never has an original thought in his head and often doesn't have much positive to say about us. Also, Barkley's already a much much better player than he ever was.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 05, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
Can't listen to it.

What did he say?

Trotting out tired old cliches - 'he hasn't kicked on since he was 18', 'people need to stop thinking of him as a young player'  (I don't think anyone does, so that's always a weird one), and the oddest and wrongest one of the lot 'he makes more wrong decisions than right decisions'. The sort of dross you might get from Souness.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on April 05, 2017, 03:41:26 PM
He was sound last night.

There's no need for debate anytime he's not boss.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TSGun on April 05, 2017, 03:47:03 PM
Can't listen to it.

What did he say?
It basically begins with, 'I don't like to put him down but...' and take it from there. Same diatribe ad nauseam.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 05, 2017, 04:23:41 PM
Think Osman probably has a slightly better insight into Ross Barkleys abilities than anyone on here tbh
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: dazfrancis on April 05, 2017, 04:33:18 PM
If anything, Ross plateaued for 4.5 years and only in the last 4 months has began to kick on.

Those poor decision making habits weren't going to all magically disappear but he has definitely improved SIGNIFICANTLY.

Whether he has the temperament to be the very best I don't think so, he's still a very good player though.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 05, 2017, 04:36:26 PM
Like Lukaku the criticism is fair game by game ( which is how forums on matchdays and preceeding the next game go  ) . It is obvious that in the big games we are too cautious and our ' Big Players ' don't get enough support and therefore make mistakes trying to do too much on there own ( or nothing in Lukakus case against Liverpool ) . I think we got a settled side and then boom Schneiderlin , Coleman , Funes -Mori go and get injured right before our 2 big games . There were times when Rom and Ross gelled and looked great but I think that has dissipated with Lukakus wanting away . A striker who makes space and runs will help Barkley no end as much as Schneiderlin helped out with his other perceived weakness of not tracking back .
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on April 05, 2017, 05:02:36 PM
But isn't being the player with the "most chances created" considered kicking on? Considering we have a league with the likes of Ozil, Silva, Coutinho and Hazard.

thought it was just by english players. Still impressive mind but the quality in this league isn't english is it?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on April 05, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
Osman on Barkley:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04z2nms

Is this from last year?

Because no way does any of that stand true for the Barkley we've seen in 2017.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 05, 2017, 05:46:39 PM
Osman on Barkley:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04z2nms

Behave Leon, you were nigh on 24 before you broke into the Everton team and even then took a couple of years to cement your place. Players develop at different rates. Plus, he's Barkley's been largely brilliant for us in 2017.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on April 05, 2017, 06:33:04 PM
I like Osman but he just sounds like a bitter dickhead trying to get himself noticed with a ''controversial'' comment here.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 05, 2017, 08:39:15 PM
thought it was just by english players. Still impressive mind but the quality in this league isn't english is it?

Could well be. I must have glanced over that part.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on April 05, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
thought it was just by english players. Still impressive mind but the quality in this league isn't english is it?

I don't know about chances created, but in terms of key passes (per game), he's quite high up the list

http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#pass-accuracy#player-stats#english-premier-league|season-2016/2017#all-teams#midfielder#16#41#0#0#90#13/08/2016#05/04/2017#season#3#all-matches#keypass#desc#avg (http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#pass-accuracy#player-stats#english-premier-league|season-2016/2017#all-teams#midfielder#16#41#0#0#90#13/08/2016#05/04/2017#season#3#all-matches#keypass#desc#avg)

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Tinga on April 05, 2017, 10:47:47 PM
I can't be the only one who thinks Ross has been great this season, right?. The criticism of him is so overly harsh.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 05, 2017, 10:54:17 PM
I can't be the only one who thinks Ross has been great this season, right?. The criticism of him is so overly harsh.

Nope, I'm with you all the way and there's more of us out there, hiding in the shadows.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: starblood on April 05, 2017, 11:08:31 PM
Load of old shite from Ossie, as usual. Think he's a terrible pundit, never has an original thought in his head and often doesn't have much positive to say about us. Also, Barkley's already a much much better player than he ever was.

I like him as a pundit - he is pretty good. Honest, articulate and knowledgeable.

And IMO Ross has yet to hit the level that Ossie attained as a player (though he has the potential to sky-rocket beyond).
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 05, 2017, 11:20:39 PM
Nope, I'm with you all the way and there's more of us out there, hiding in the shadows.
No hiding here, im sure everyone knows where I stand on this
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 06, 2017, 12:25:45 AM
I can't be the only one who thinks Ross has been great this season, right?. The criticism of him is so overly harsh.

Im with you
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 06, 2017, 12:38:40 AM
I can't be the only one who thinks Ross has been great this season, right?. The criticism of him is so overly harsh.
Apart from November/December he has been great. Fantastic since the turn of the year.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Silas on April 06, 2017, 12:39:33 AM
Barkley is up there for player of the season right now. Osman's way off on this one.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on April 06, 2017, 12:58:06 AM
Barkley has been great for us this year. I do think the criticism is harsh but I think he gets attacked so much by pundits and our fans because he is capable of even more and on a consistent basis.

Until the last 3 month he probably hadn't kicked on and considering his level 3 years ago he should be well beyond that by now. The fact his not can be debated (martinez, mentality) but he isn't.

Basically people tipped him to be a world beater and he isn't there so people are asking why. If he was some random player that didn't show promise there would be a different overall opinion of him.

I liken it to rooney. He has constantly been critiqued because he had the potential to be the best in the world. He didn't quite hit those heights and has had a fantastic career all the same.

Barkley still has time on his side but people would have expected him to be further on in development. He should be as consistent as alli and as dangerous in big games.

I'm waffling here cos my phones about to die. But little bit of food for thought here; Zidane made his debut for France at the age of 23. Look what he achieved
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 06, 2017, 01:21:03 AM
Been very good in the main this season. I do think he lacks something mentally though. He started the derby like gazza started that cup final, still makes the odd ridiculous decision and lacks composure. Still vastly improved under koeman. Takes time to reprogram after martinezs do what the fuck you like you're gonna be the best player in the world nonsense
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Silas on April 06, 2017, 01:25:20 AM
I know it's no one person but I fucking hate the comparisons to Alli and I rate Barkley above him
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2017, 01:49:03 AM
He definitely hasn't scored enough tho. that is my criticism of him. To play where he plays he has to get at least 10 a season or 5 with like 15 assists. he should be contributing to about 20 goals a season.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on April 06, 2017, 01:57:50 AM
He definitely hasn't scored enough tho. that is my criticism of him. To play where he plays he has to get at least 10 a season or 5 with like 15 assists. he should be contributing to about 20 goals a season.

No reason he shouldn't with his shooting ability either.

Think he lacks a real goal scoring drive though.

That Lukaku run where he shot after going past Rojo near the end is a case in point. He should have been screaming for that ball as he'd have a tap in but he's watching Lukaku.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2017, 01:59:55 AM
Yeah i agree, with two good feet he should be scoring more.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: blue slug on April 06, 2017, 02:10:59 AM
He's a good season overall with a few bad games here and there, he does frustrate me with his decision making sometimes though
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 06, 2017, 03:21:30 AM
No reason he shouldn't with his shooting ability either.

Do you rate his shooting ability then?  Cos I don't.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2017, 03:36:58 AM
Do you rate his shooting ability then?  Cos I don't.

He has a good shot, and can bend them and curl them. has power in both feet. his shooting is obviously not very good as he isn't scoring and should be much better than it is.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: kramer0 on April 06, 2017, 04:24:36 AM
His technique is good but his shot locations aren't. That's largely down to decision-making/movement/anticipation (or whatever you want to call it since those are all interrelated or versions of the same thing). Considering where he is on the pitch, he should be finding better shooting opportunities.

The thing that fascinates me about Osman's criticism is that Ross's floor right now (at least in my view) is that he becomes a better version of Osman -- a technical player who makes the ball stick in tight areas, wins fouls, but doesn't get the goals or assists you'd expect/hope for -- except with additional pace, strength, and dribbling ability (but sadly minus the heading ability  :().
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 06, 2017, 04:42:12 AM
His technique is good but his shot locations aren't. That's largely down to decision-making/movement/anticipation (or whatever you want to call it since those are all interrelated or versions of the same thing). Considering where he is on the pitch, he should be finding better shooting opportunities.

The thing that fascinates me about Osman's criticism is that Ross's floor right now (at least in my view) is that he becomes a better version of Osman -- a technical player who makes the ball stick in tight areas, wins fouls, but doesn't get the goals or assists you'd expect/hope for -- except with additional pace, strength, and dribbling ability (but sadly minus the heading ability  :().
Barkley stays at the level he is, he is a better player (in a different way) than Osman who played in similar positions

If you coukd mix the best of both, you'd have some player
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2017, 05:27:19 AM
No reason he shouldn't with his shooting ability either.

Think he lacks a real goal scoring drive though.

That Lukaku run where he shot after going past Rojo near the end is a case in point. He should have been screaming for that ball as he'd have a tap in but he's watching Lukaku.

I agree.

He's a mad player with so much ability, technique and physical prowess but doesn't get enough highlights to be honest.

I know I'm in the minority but I like to see him drop deep a bit, when he isn't doing his take-everyone-on game and is just knitting the play, spreading passes, maybe skinning one or two or drawing players in before laying it off.

I love all that because it's a different side to Ross that I do think he has besides the athlete running back game he turns on in big games. When he can do both regularly you'll see a player running the game front to back.

As for his goals...I'd like to see his stats on shooting - don't feel like he's had many digs outside the box this year, or digs from within the frame of the goal on the edge of the box. He can put it on a twenty penger in either top corner with either foot, but for whatever reason he's not been doing it...maybe trying to be less of a 'selfish ball hog' as some would have it and concentrate more on splitting the defence...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2017, 05:47:41 AM
I agree.

He's a mad player with so much ability, technique and physical prowess but doesn't get enough highlights to be honest.

I know I'm in the minority but I like to see him drop deep a bit, when he isn't doing his take-everyone-on game and is just knitting the play, spreading passes, maybe skinning one or two or drawing players in before laying it off.

I love all that because it's a different side to Ross that I do think he has besides the athlete running back game he turns on in big games. When he can do both regularly you'll see a player running the game front to back.

As for his goals...I'd like to see his stats on shooting - don't feel like he's had many digs outside the box this year, or digs from within the frame of the goal on the edge of the box. He can put it on a twenty penger in either top corner with either foot, but for whatever reason he's not been doing it...maybe trying to be less of a 'selfish ball hog' as some would have it and concentrate more on splitting the defence...

Where he plays he should be getting on the end of balls in the box and finding opportunities in the box and outside.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 06, 2017, 05:52:05 AM
Where he plays he should be getting on the end of balls in the box and finding opportunities in the box and outside.

I don't think we make a great deal of chances inside the box really, and when we do they fall to Rom and rightly so.

When we are making chances he's on the outside making them rather than trying to toe it in like Cahill would have.

I don't know...what kind of midfielder is he? Who's profile does he match? I can't help but think he's the closest to Yaya Toure, who was expert at finishing sweeping moves just outside or just inside the box, he hasn't quite shown that to be honest, so maybe he'll hover at 5-8 goals a year.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 06, 2017, 05:55:04 AM
I don't think we make a great deal of chances inside the box really, and when we do they fall to Rom and rightly so.

When we are making chances he's on the outside making them rather than trying to toe it in like Cahill would have.

I don't know...what kind of midfielder is he? Who's profile does he match? I can't help but think he's the closest to Yaya Toure, who was expert at finishing sweeping moves just outside or just inside the box, he hasn't quite shown that to be honest, so maybe he'll hover at 5-8 goals a year.


Toure played deeper. he plays almost as a number 10. he never ever gets ahead of Lukaku so that Lukaku can play him in. it's why i think we have issues and why lukaku can't hold it up as he doesn't have someone to pass to.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TSGun on April 06, 2017, 07:19:44 AM
Am I the only one who reads this thread title and instantly begins singing the Edwin Starr classic?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rhys on April 06, 2017, 01:42:14 PM
He definitely hasn't scored enough tho. that is my criticism of him. To play where he plays he has to get at least 10 a season or 5 with like 15 assists. he should be contributing to about 20 goals a season.

I was thinking that. Most people would agree that since the turn of 2017 he has been really good much more of a constant influence on a match. And that last year he had a poor season and wasn't a surprise for me he was down the pecking order at the euros.

However this season he's scored 5 and got 7 assists. Whereas last year he got 12 goals and 13 assists and they were all before the team downed tools from mid March onwards.

That's 12 goals/assists against 25 last year. I know dele alli plays more as a forward and is in a really good team but if you compare the stats this year in the league Ross has 4 goals 7 assists against Ali's 15 goals 5 assists.

We know Ross creates chances and his assist ratio over the last 2 years is far better than his first 2 seasons under Roberto where it was non existent. However I agree there isn't enough drive for him to get goals like alli has, he doesn't show enough conviction around the box when he has opportunities to score like when had rojo one on one down the right channel with space instead of going at him at pace taking rojo on his weaker side he slows the game down and plays the pass inside.

He has goals in him and he's played with far more sense this season overall, but 4 league goals isn't enough in 29 games from someone with his shooting ability and playing as high up the pitch as he does. Hopefully that's something which koeman can get into him that he needs to get into the box more, he needs to have that hunger to get goals and I can't believe I'm saying this after he was shooting from anywhere in his first season but he needs to get more shots away when he gets around the edge of the area.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 08, 2017, 09:04:58 PM
Do you rate his shooting ability then?  Cos I don't.

He strikes a ball brilliantly but he's zero composure. Gets so many blocked pissing about and scuffs a lot cos he gets giddy.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Toddacelli on April 08, 2017, 09:49:29 PM
I don't know about him not having drive to score.

Seems to enjoy it every bit as much as any kid on the park....


Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 08, 2017, 10:26:20 PM
There's an element of surprise about Ross when he scores from inside the box, like when he's managed to get a foot on it or a rare tap in he wheels away delighted but he looks a bit shocked to me. Even that goal above, there's not much that looks inevitable and bread and butter (like for example when rom gets through and 9/10 it looks like a boring formality to him),  looks more like he realises he's got a crazy chance he rarely gets.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Toddacelli on April 08, 2017, 11:04:04 PM
There's an element of surprise about Ross when he scores from inside the box, like when he's managed to get a foot on it or a rare tap in he wheels away delighted but he looks a bit shocked to me. Even that goal above, there's not much that looks inevitable and bread and butter (like for example when rom gets through and 9/10 it looks like a boring formality to him),  looks more like he realises he's got a crazy chance he rarely gets.

Which all suggests that he would like to score and that he does like scoring.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 08, 2017, 11:44:10 PM
Is this an existential question? What is Ross Barkley? Stardust, like the rest of us, I suppose.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 08, 2017, 11:45:41 PM
I'd like him to shoot more from outside the box but he delays for another touch at times and the chance goes. Shame really as he can shoot with both feet... remember the Newcastle game? Would love more of that Ross.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 08, 2017, 11:57:47 PM
Which all suggests that he would like to score and that he does like scoring.

Nobody dislikes scoring, but the thrill of getting a goal compared to the drive to score and score and score...very different things.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 09, 2017, 12:05:00 AM
Think Osman probably has a slightly better insight into Ross Barkleys abilities than anyone on here tbh

Wish Osman had had such an insightful perspective on his own game.

Incredible ability, should have scored twice the amount he scored. Should have had three times over the assists.

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on April 09, 2017, 01:04:35 AM
Nobody dislikes scoring, but the thrill of getting a goal compared to the drive to score and score and score...very different things.

We should sign up Cahill as his personal trainer :)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 12:25:58 AM
/close thread

Ross Barkley is clearly there to put in motm performances to beat the league champions.

Well in lad.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 12:29:13 AM
Played well today.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 12:29:50 AM
Annoying that they ask Koeman about the contract situation but not Barkley.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 12:51:40 AM
Honestly don't see him starting as many next season if he stays. Which is a strange thing to say after his general play has improved but the end product hasn't.

If Rom goes that position is a dozen goals a season necessity and I think Koeman might like to sign other options for it in the summer who offer more of a guaranteed goal threat. Especially with a big wedge burning a hole in his pocket.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Shogun on April 10, 2017, 12:53:15 AM
Played well today.

Does most matches.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2017, 12:55:58 AM
Loved how he pinged that ball off Lukaku's head to get his goal today.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 01:01:10 AM
Honestly don't see him starting as many next season if he stays. Which is a strange thing to say after his general play has improved but the end product hasn't.

If Rom goes that position is a dozen goals a season necessity and I think Koeman might like to sign other options for it in the summer who offer more of a guaranteed goal threat. Especially with a big wedge burning a hole in his pocket.
Heard today spurs move is a big big possiblity.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on April 10, 2017, 01:14:09 AM
He was boss today, like he has been for the last few months.

But he has to start having an impact on the big games for us now. Same as Lukaku.

But that's easier said than done. Just because you're not impacting big games on a consistent basis doesn't mean you can't be a world class player.

They're both doing it on a constant basis in the best league in the world (supposedly), so that must count for something.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2017, 01:32:51 AM
Heard today spurs move is a big big possiblity.

Who is your source?

And what was actually said?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Cassius on April 10, 2017, 01:32:54 AM
I'll be devastated if Ross leaves us for Spurs.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 10, 2017, 01:37:36 AM
Totally up to him. Same for Lukaku. Anyone who thinks they want to do better somewhere else can go if that's what they want. The club is bigger.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Silas on April 10, 2017, 01:39:58 AM
If Barkley leaves for Spurs he will fucking hate it. No way he will go and play second fiddle to Alli
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on April 10, 2017, 01:45:17 AM
Done with life if Barkley goes to Spurs.

I can accept city, United, or Chelsea.

But fucking Spurs? Fuck that
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 01:51:53 AM
Done with life if Barkley goes to Spurs.

I can accept city, United, or Chelsea.

But fucking Spurs? Fuck that

Champions League two years on the bounce. They're a good few years ahead of us. Maybe he, like Lukaku, is impatient for top level football.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 01:52:45 AM
Who is your source?

And what was actually said?
it's not a source mate a fella that sits in front of me said he'd had been with Barkley's dad before the game a he had told him.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on April 10, 2017, 01:58:37 AM
Champions League two years on the bounce. They're a good few years ahead of us. Maybe he, like Lukaku, is impatient for top level football.

Lukaku then fine. Emotionally there's no weights and balances.

But with Barkley there needs to be an extra attraction above the obvious CL qualification (which they bombed in this year) to counter balance the actual feeling that he has for us.

Spurs, from our point of view, would be a kick in the teeth.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2017, 01:59:16 AM
it's not a source mate a fella that sits in front of me said he'd had been with Barkley's dad before the game a he had told him.

Fuck off, really? 😧

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 02:00:09 AM
He's not going to Spurs. He'll sign. And Koeman will play him loads next season.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2017, 02:03:18 AM
He's got to be offered a contract in the first place.

Again today Steve Walsh said "there'd be one on the table in the summer" what the fucks that about given his current deal? He can't turn down or negotiate if nothing's been offered.

It hardly looks like we're busting a gut to keep him and pulling out all the stops. If he's not feeling appreciated there's little wonder Barkley and his agent are looking elsewhere is there?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 10, 2017, 02:03:26 AM
Have to say id be pretty much done if he left for spurs
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on April 10, 2017, 02:04:04 AM
Fuck off, really? 😧



Not sure he's that close to his dad.

Don't know for certain but he's rarely mentioned in interviews etc
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 02:04:52 AM
Lukaku then fine. Emotionally there's no weights and balances.

But with Barkley there needs to be an extra attraction uabove the obvious CL qualification (which they bombed in this year) to counter balance the actual feeling that he has for us.

Spurs, from our point of view, would be a kick in the teeth.

The attraction of a fresh start, a move to London, much higher chance of international recognition, immediate Champions League football and there is a chance his feelings of playing for us have changed, factoring in the lack of love shown towards him from both the manager and the fans in large parts.

I can see the attraction and I wouldn't blame him. Time will tell if it's a wise move or a hasty one.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2017, 02:07:13 AM
Not sure he's that close to his dad.

Don't know for certain but he's rarely mentioned in interviews etc

Yeah, it sounds bollocks to me.

Would be a bit crass for his dad to mention to a terrace gossip just before kick-off that his Evertonian son is going to jump ship in the summer.

I'm not buying it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 02:07:39 AM
Have to say id be pretty much done if he left for spurs

I'd struggle if he left full stop. I think it would be a massive dent in Moshiri's new era to lose a homegrown player who's been on great form to another team in the league. I just don't see Moshiri allowing it to happen, personally.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 02:10:28 AM
The attraction of a fresh start, a move to London, much higher chance of international recognition, immediate Champions League football and there is a chance his feelings of playing for us have changed, factoring in the lack of love shown towards him from both the manager and the fans in large parts.

I can see the attraction and I wouldn't blame him. Time will tell if it's a wise move or a hasty one.

He gets loads of love from the majority of fans, and Koeman has been effusive in his praise for him since his upturn in form. Again, I don't buy that he's somehow fallen out of love with the club. He knows Evertonians are demanding. You see his celebration with arms lofted before he put it in against Bournemouth, and for me that's someone who loves playing and scoring for Everton.

I think it's much more likely that his agent is playing a waiting game til the summer to maximise his wages for the next contract.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 10, 2017, 02:10:43 AM
yeah, doesnt matter where he goes, if he does go, ill struggle to like football much.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: van der Meyde on April 10, 2017, 02:17:06 AM
Not sure he's that close to his dad.

Don't know for certain but he's rarely mentioned in interviews etc
He's not.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2017, 02:17:24 AM
it's not a source mate a fella that sits in front of me said he'd had been with Barkley's dad before the game a he had told him.

Isn't barkley very estranged from his dad?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 02:19:28 AM
He gets loads of love from the majority of fans, and Koeman has been effusive in his praise for him since his upturn in form. Again, I don't buy that he's somehow fallen out of love with the club. He knows Evertonians are demanding. You see his celebration with arms lofted before he put it in against Bournemouth, and for me that's someone who loves playing and scoring for Everton.

I think it's much more likely that his agent is playing a waiting game til the summer to maximise his wages for the next contract.

It's not about falling out of love with the club, I just think when you're no longer a kid and you're maturing into a young man you can see things a little more dispassionately.

There's no guarantee we'll ever make it into the Champions League, bearing in mind the strength of the top 6. Couple it with Lukaku going and he might be waiting forever for the chance to play in the Nou Camp etc...

I'm not saying he'll go, I'm saying I could understand it if he did.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 02:19:42 AM
Fuck off, really? 😧
just what he said mate but you don't know.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: chang on April 10, 2017, 02:19:53 AM
I'm pretty sure somebody as astute and successful in the world of business as Farhad Moshiri would ensure a package is put together and offered to any player the manager wants to keep, like wise if they leave he would make sure a replacement is found.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 10, 2017, 02:23:09 AM
Barkley is a Liverpool lad who seems very close to his mum

I'd be surprised and amazed if he left us for the bright lights of London unless he isn't wanted
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 02:29:53 AM
Yeah, it sounds bollocks to me.

Would be a bit crass for his dad to mention to a terrace gossip just before kick-off that his Evertonian son is going to jump ship in the summer.

I'm not buying it.
mate I'm just saying what I've been told today,the fella isn't a knob he had a photo on his phone with Barkley's dad just passing it on you don't have to get all mardy over it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 10, 2017, 02:33:33 AM
He's got to be offered a contract in the first place.

Again today Steve Walsh said "there'd be one on the table in the summer" what the fucks that about given his current deal? He can't turn down or negotiate if nothing's been offered.

It hardly looks like we're busting a gut to keep him and pulling out all the stops. If he's not feeling appreciated there's little wonder Barkley and his agent are looking elsewhere is there?

On BBC Radio Merseyside the reporter said that Koeman said that there was a contract waiting to be signed, and that he either signs it or is sold in the summer.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 02:37:29 AM
Isn't barkley very estranged from his dad?
Don't know mate as a i said just what i was told today'.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2017, 02:39:24 AM
mate I'm just saying what I've been told today,the fella isn't a knob he had a photo on his phone with Barkley's dad just passing it on you don't have to get all mardy over it.

Didn't get mardy, mate, was just doubting the credibility of the fella you spoke to; I mean, Barkley's Dad confides in him, and the next minute he's blurting it across the terraces... that's not cool, is it? 🤔

Why has he got a pic of Barkley's Dad on his phone?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2017, 02:40:43 AM
On BBC Radio Merseyside the reporter said that Koeman said that there was a contract waiting to be signed, and that he either signs it or is sold in the summer.

Mixed signals then. Also Koeman is previously on record as saying contracts aren't part of his domain.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 02:44:20 AM
Didn't get mardy, mate, was just doubting the credibility of the fella you spoke to; I mean, Barkley's Dad confides in him, and the next minute he's blurting it across the terraces... that's not cool, is it? 🤔

Why has he got a pic of Barkley's Dad on his phone?

Just let it go mate, he's only reporting on a bit of gossip.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2017, 02:50:49 AM
Just let it go mate, he's only reporting on a bit of gossip.

Calm down, mate.

I've only asked him a few questions about information he has offered about a subject we are all very interested in.

That's how a forum works.

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 10, 2017, 03:19:01 AM
Why has he got a pic of Barkley's Dad on his phone?

Cos he pokes him
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Goaljira on April 10, 2017, 04:41:11 AM
it's not a source mate a fella that sits in front of me said he'd had been with Barkley's dad before the game a he had told him.

Does his dad think he's Belgian?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Goaljira on April 10, 2017, 04:43:24 AM
Didn't get mardy, mate, was just doubting the credibility of the fella you spoke to; I mean, Barkley's Dad confides in him, and the next minute he's blurting it across the terraces... that's not cool, is it? 🤔

Why has he got a pic of Barkley's Dad on his phone?

Less questionable than if he'd got pictures of Ross' mum on there.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MexicanToffee on April 10, 2017, 04:54:28 AM
Have Everton actually offered a new contract to Barkley yet?

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 04:56:18 AM
Have Everton actually offered a new contract to Barkley yet?



Yes, according to Koeman in multiple press conferences.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2017, 05:00:44 AM
Have Everton actually offered a new contract to Barkley yet?



Not till this summer apparently according to our DOF before the game.

All very peculiar.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MexicanToffee on April 10, 2017, 05:01:51 AM
Yes, according to Koeman in multiple press conferences.

Ok cheers. Must have missed that then.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 05:03:44 AM
Ok cheers. Must have missed that then.

Yeah he's said it a few times. If you say 'if Ross Barkley doesn't sign his contract, we'll have to consider selling him' then the overwhelming implication of that is 'we've offered him a deal, and he hasn't signed it yet'.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on April 10, 2017, 06:33:09 AM
Leon Osman criticising Barkley in an article I've just read. I don't have the link, I'm lazy. Oh ok one sec...

http://www.90min.com/posts/4824118-former-everton-midfielder-slams-ross-barkley-claims-his-career-has-not-kicked-on?ref=1&team=everton&utm_campaign=Everton&utm_medium=fan_pages&utm_source=facebook.com.html

Says he hasn't kicked on, etc.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 10, 2017, 10:28:07 AM
mate I'm just saying what I've been told today,the fella isn't a knob he had a photo on his phone with Barkley's dad just passing it on you don't have to get all mardy over it.

How do you know it was Barkley's dad, was he wearing a tshirt with it on?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ramjam on April 10, 2017, 10:31:01 AM
How do you know it was Barkley's dad, was he wearing a tshirt with it on?

No he was holding up the contract agreement from Tottenham with Ross Barkley on it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 12:50:45 PM
How do you know it was Barkley's dad, was he wearing a tshirt with it on?
haha what a beaut.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 12:55:22 PM
No he was holding up the contract agreement from Tottenham with Ross Barkley on it.
OH MY GOD I'VE NEVER READ ANYTHING AS FUNNY AS THAT. you and your mate should be the next ant and Dec, :wanker:
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 10, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
haha what a beaut.

I do't know if he was a looker or not, you're telling the story.

Genuine question, how do you know the picture was of Ross' old man? 'Cos I'd have no clue what the guy looks like, as I'd imagine is the case with 99.999% of this forum.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 01:50:09 PM
Thread is getting a bit ridiculous now. Grow up lads.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 02:18:34 PM
OH MY GOD I'VE NEVER READ ANYTHING AS FUNNY AS THAT. you and your mate should be the next ant and Dec, :wanker:

Except and and Dec aren't funny.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 02:22:49 PM
Given the forthcoming Bramley Moore Megabowl (that's not a bowl) and the in pouring of Moshiri's millions, Barkley really isn't going to pass on the opportunity to become Everton folklore.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 02:38:14 PM
Given the forthcoming Bramley Moore Megabowl (that's not a bowl) and I'm in pouring of Moshiri's millions Barkley really isn't going to pass on the opportunity to become Everton folklore.

By the time the new stadium and the hopeful benefits start to come into fruition he may feel he's lost a few of his peak years playing on the fringes of the top level.

There looks to be a genuine top 7 forming now. That means three disappointed teams every year. It's not certain we'll ever make the jump.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 03:02:08 PM
By the time the new stadium and the hopeful benefits start to come into fruition he may feel he's lost a few of his peak years playing on the fringes of the top level.

There looks to be a genuine top 7 forming now. That means three disappointed teams every year. It's not certain we'll ever make the jump.

There's no guarantees for any of the top 6  or 7 anymore. Every season at least 3 of those will miss out on CL and their elite managers will be under pressure.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 10, 2017, 03:02:30 PM
If there was a prize for  'delivery of the season ' he won it yesterday . Vincent Janssen would have scored from that .
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 03:05:16 PM
If there was a prize for  'delivery of the season ' he won it yesterday . Vincent Janssen would have scored from that .


Steady on, no need for the gross exaggeration.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 03:08:27 PM
There's no guarantees for any of the top 6  or 7 anymore. Every season at least 3 of those will miss out on CL and their elite managers will be under pressure.

True but Spurs have been challenging for the title for the past two years and have a new stadium halfway built.

They're arguably a good few years ahead of where we'll ever be.

It's a fickle business and the top 7 will change every year but they are starting from a much higher base.
Davies for instance has it all to come and time on his side. Barkley may feel the time is now, as Lukaku does.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 03:10:28 PM

They're arguably a good few years ahead of where we'll ever be.


'Cos clubs never go backwards <coughs> "Man Utd"
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 03:12:26 PM
'Cos clubs never go backwards <coughs> "Man Utd"

Of course. A lot of Spurs' success is down to Pochettino. If he goes then it'd be a blow. Similar to Koeman.

Any move is a risk. The top 7 will change weekly let alone yearly.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 10, 2017, 03:40:09 PM
Something in me thinks it is his agent rather than him . A sort of we want similar to Rom situation . I think he will stay but it is also good to see Koemann say where exactly he stands on it . Careful what you wish for Ross .
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: charlatan on April 10, 2017, 03:42:23 PM
Certainly won't be going for the dough, they pay less than us
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on April 10, 2017, 04:25:14 PM
Don't know the full story but just been sent a video from my mate of cctv footage of ross getting sparked out by some scally in that Santos. Apparently from last night.

Don't know how to post and not sure if right place to post so won't anyway. Ross is just talking to the lad who hits ross twice who then falls. Absolutely no need from the tosser.


Love ross hope he stays with us for life. 
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 10, 2017, 04:35:30 PM
oh my god :(
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 04:40:34 PM
Need to send Uncle Duncan round to have a word with this lad.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on April 10, 2017, 04:45:31 PM
No way that's Ross, look at the hair style and compare to yesterday, also think that guy is of slightly different ethnic origin.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 04:46:48 PM
No way that's Ross, look at the hair style and compare to yesterday, also think that guy is of slightly different ethnic origin.

Are you joking, its 100% Barkley, you can see his face
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 04:50:07 PM
Makes you fuckin despair at our society.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 04:50:31 PM
The lad is planning to hit him from the start of the footage, if you look at his right hand in a fist by his side. Wonder what's gone on?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 04:51:51 PM
Cock envy, Ross is hung like a grand national winner apparently
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 04:51:53 PM
Hopefully the twat is named and shamed and the tougher blues amongst us make sure he knows he can't go out in town ever again for fear of repercussions.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 04:52:10 PM
The big lad with the skinhead knows what's gonna go off as he keeps glancing over.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rhys on April 10, 2017, 04:55:56 PM
The lad is planning to hit him from the start of the footage, if you look at his right hand in a fist by his side. Wonder what's gone on?

He told him his dad is telling people he's off to Spurs
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Polledreng on April 10, 2017, 04:59:13 PM
Are you joking, its 100% Barkley, you can see his face
Yes and it's not Ross Barkley
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2017, 04:59:59 PM
"I've fuckin told you already NO Phil Collins......."
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2017, 05:00:41 PM
Heavy that mate
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 10, 2017, 05:02:19 PM
Bit of a snake punch as well .
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: hill135 on April 10, 2017, 05:02:53 PM
can't really tell if it's him from here.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 05:04:47 PM
Of course it's him, you can see it clearly.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lazarou on April 10, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
Of course it's him, you can see it clearly.

I would say it's him. Either that or someone who wants to look like him. Shithouse punch though, no queensberry rules applied there!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 10, 2017, 05:13:07 PM
Bad that even if it isnt him
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 05:15:22 PM
Yes and it's not Ross Barkley

Must be his twin then eh
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 05:20:10 PM
You have to wonder if the club owner is complicit in this given the cctv footage has been leaked already. Stinks of kopites if you ask me.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on April 10, 2017, 05:21:07 PM
Of course it's him, you can see it clearly.

His publicist doing a great job of keeping this from the press eh, not even the Echo have picked up on it !
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 05:27:38 PM
Defo him
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 05:29:56 PM
His publicist doing a great job of keeping this from the press eh, not even the Echo have picked up on it !

Their might well be a criminal prosecution involved, they'll not want to get involved at the minute.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 05:29:58 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/ross-barkley-punched-cctv-video-12872459
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2017, 05:30:19 PM
It is definitely him you can clearly see his face.

Bad rumours of it being cause Ross has been at the lads bird.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on April 10, 2017, 05:30:39 PM
His publicist doing a great job of keeping this from the press eh, not even the Echo have picked up on it !

They have, on twitter at least.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 05:31:10 PM
You have to wonder if the club owner is complicit in this given the cctv footage has been leaked already. Stinks of kopites if you ask me.

Pretty clear picture of the lads face. I'm sure it'll have been passed round the Lower Gwladys scallies by now.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
His publicist doing a great job of keeping this from the press eh, not even the Echo have picked up on it !

Jim White just confirmed it's him on Talksport.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 05:33:24 PM
Jim White just confirmed it's him on Talksport.

The Oracle has spoken.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 05:36:53 PM
"You gonna sign a new contract or not?"

"Nah lad, I'm off to Spurs"

BOOOOOOOM
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 05:37:05 PM
What's it coming to when you can't be at someone's bird without getting a slap.

Delli Alli will be telling him in London he could have a glamour model a night delivered to his pad no questions asked.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on April 10, 2017, 05:39:24 PM
Jim White just confirmed it's him on Talksport.

Alright, if Jim White says it's him then that's good enough for me !
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 05:40:33 PM
From the Daily Mirror - Horrific footage has emerged appearing to show Everton and England star Ross Barkley being knocked out in a vicious bar brawl

Hardly horrific or vicious, in fact its not even a brawl.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2017, 05:42:22 PM
naive this, I'm pretty pissed off with it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on April 10, 2017, 05:42:48 PM
Definitely not a brawl, that takes two !
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on April 10, 2017, 05:45:42 PM
am sure the twat will get his comeuppance,   deffo pre-mediated
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 05:45:59 PM
Lad gets punched on a night out, happens most nights, forget about it and move on.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
Definitely not a brawl, that takes two !

...baby
It takes two, baby,
Me and you
You know it takes two
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 05:48:38 PM
From the Daily Mirror - Horrific footage has emerged appearing to show Everton and England star Ross Barkley being knocked out in a vicious bar brawl

Hardly horrific or vicious, in fact its not even a brawl.

Aye. Cracking 'journalism' again. And to think that these numpties get paid for writing.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 05:55:21 PM
You'd like to have thought some of Ross's mates would have flanked him whilst this was going on. It was pretty obvious the lad was lining one up and the big lad with the skinhead kept looking over wary at what was happening.
Makes me think it was someone known to him.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2017, 05:57:34 PM
Alright, if Jim White says it's him then that's good enough for me !

Jim Whites exact phrase was fracas. Not sure on that either got more of a feeling of a skirmish about it if you ask me, possibly boardeline melee.

Like you said definitely not a brawl though.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 06:08:14 PM
Jim Whites exact phrase was fracas. Not sure on that either got more of a feeling of a skirmish about it if you ask me, possibly boardeline melee.

Like you said definitely not a brawl though.

Im rounding on unprovoked assault.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 10, 2017, 06:11:38 PM

Im rounding on unprovoked assault.
.........If it was a fracas ,I'm going with fracking.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 10, 2017, 06:15:08 PM
Im rounding on unprovoked assault.

Lets be honest nothing more than a brouhaha.


Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ramjam on April 10, 2017, 06:15:33 PM
Altercation
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ramjam on April 10, 2017, 06:15:52 PM
Rumble
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: djws1788 on April 10, 2017, 06:17:59 PM
commonly referred to here in Oz as a dog shot
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 06:18:48 PM
A sucker punch

Hold me back here, someone hold me back...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2017, 06:25:27 PM
Don't like all this. Don't think Ross comes out of this all that well either. Getting into someone else's bird and then like tapping the lad on the chin when he's having it out with you? It's all a bit fucking concert square for me.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 10, 2017, 06:25:54 PM
If there was a prize for  'delivery of the season ' he won it yesterday . Vincent Janssen would have scored from that .


Edit : If there was a prize for  'delivery of the season ' he has just been on the end of it .
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 06:29:48 PM
Don't like all this. Don't think Ross comes out of this all that well either. Getting into someone else's bird and then like tapping the lad on the chin when he's having it out with you? It's all a bit fucking concert square for me.

First few times didn't really spot his hands all over him and then tapping his chin, standing with his hands on his hips afterwards. Can't argue with a slap after that really.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 06:31:02 PM
Don't like all this. Don't think Ross comes out of this all that well either. Getting into someone else's bird and then like tapping the lad on the chin when he's having it out with you? It's all a bit fucking concert square for me.

Nobody knows what the reason was, the bird thing is just a rumour
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on April 10, 2017, 06:32:22 PM
Don't like all this. Don't think Ross comes out of this all that well either. Getting into someone else's bird and then like tapping the lad on the chin when he's having it out with you? It's all a bit fucking concert square for me.

I've heard all kinds of stories about Barkley hitting the town.

He was scrapping just a few weeks back in lago apparently.

He's probably still knocking round with the wavo scals and getting himself into bother when he's out.

He's 23. We were all getting up to all kinds in town at that age.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on April 10, 2017, 06:32:27 PM
Jim Whites exact phrase was fracas. Not sure on that either got more of a feeling of a skirmish about it if you ask me, possibly boardeline melee.

Like you said definitely not a brawl though.

It could've easily turned into a rumpus.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on April 10, 2017, 06:35:44 PM
Not the first time thinking with his cock has got him into bother (if this story is true). There was some dickhead threatening to end his career over some beakhead skank a while back.

If he has been fucking about with the lads Mrs then he's fair game.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 10, 2017, 06:38:09 PM
Any media running with the "he wouldnt get this trouble in london" or "he needs to leave liverpool and leave this trouble behind him" stories yet?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2017, 06:39:05 PM
I've heard all kinds of stories about Barkley hitting the town.

He was scrapping just a few weeks back in lago apparently.

He's probably still knocking round with the wavo scals and getting himself into bother when he's out.

He's 23. We were all getting up to all kinds in town at that age.

How do you get into a scrap in Lago? Full of 18 year old students.

Yeah he's 23 and he's a kidder but fucking hell hes got to be smarter than this like!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 06:42:02 PM
Any media running with the "he wouldnt get this trouble in london" or "he needs to leave liverpool and leave this trouble behind him" stories yet?

It's the next segment on Talksport with Alan Brazil.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ramjam on April 10, 2017, 06:43:15 PM
Handbags and stilettos stuff this is. 
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2017, 07:03:32 PM
Handbags and stilettos stuff this is. 

Is it actually?

Getting caught with your hands on your hips with two or three digs isn't a joke like, don't know what kind of bare knuckle animals we have on this forum but if I got caught like that I'd be feeling it!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ell Capitan on April 10, 2017, 07:04:26 PM
Poor this.

Doing his best to live up to his billing as the next Rooney.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Robioto on April 10, 2017, 07:25:58 PM
I struggled to be arsed by incidents like this. As long as he is alright, playing next Saturday and is performing, I'm not really too bothered.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Polledreng on April 10, 2017, 07:50:33 PM
Must be his twin then eh
Well seems like I need my eyes or head examined......   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 08:15:57 PM
"Ross was the victim of an unprovoked attack by a stranger who approached him on Sunday evening," said Matt Himsworth, managing director of Himsworths Legal.

Stranger danger!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Alanvideo on April 10, 2017, 08:27:11 PM
"Ross was the victim of an unprovoked attack by a stranger who approached him on Sunday evening," said Matt Himsworth, managing director of Himsworths Legal.

Stranger danger!!!!!!!!!
....................Himsworths are based in St.Albans . That's proof Ross is going to Spurs  :wag:
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on April 10, 2017, 08:40:13 PM
As long as it's not a big deal to a young lad like Ross, it shouldn't be a big deal for anybody else. It's young pub culture and it exists in Liverpool city centre. Best thing he can do, is stay away and do what wealthy people do, or be a target in places like this one and get into trouble more often than the norm. I mean, even people like @Sir Stealth (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=904) go into places like that.  ;)



Ross's mam's gonna kill him. :)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on April 10, 2017, 08:45:06 PM
Story goes onto say that no report of assault has been made, so it looks like Ross isn't arsed in the slightest so why should we be.

Tis but a scratch!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 08:53:21 PM
Except and and Dec aren't funny.
correct neither are you but your as thick as fuck
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluebridge on April 10, 2017, 09:42:36 PM
correct neither are you but your as thick as fuck
Correct, neither are you, but you're as thick as fuck!

Corrected for you ;)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2017, 09:49:38 PM
I've a feeling that Moshiri will be seething.

Not sure on Koeman, though.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 10:01:10 PM
Correct, neither are you, but you're as thick as fuck!

Corrected for you ;)
Thanks,I'm not well couldn't be arsed.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 10, 2017, 10:12:34 PM
correct neither are you but your as thick as fuck

Ok mate.

Thanks for pointing that out.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 10:15:24 PM
Ok mate.

Thanks for pointing that out.
Anytime.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on April 10, 2017, 10:18:17 PM
If Barkley is going to go to these places he would be well advise to hire a minder it's not like he can't afford it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 10, 2017, 10:54:00 PM
Must have been right bevvied not to notice the feller was lining him up. Should hire a minder or take self-defense lessons from Duncan Ferguson.

....or change drinking establishments.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 11:20:34 PM
If Barkley is going to go to these places he would be well advise to hire a minder it's not like he can't afford it.

Or get some decent mates.

I always remember seeing Carragher out and he was flanked by about 8 lads at all times with him in the middle of them. No opportunity for anyone to take a potshot and his mates probably got a free night out for the privilege.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 10, 2017, 11:32:15 PM
I've a feeling that Moshiri will be seething.

Not sure on Koeman, though.

Koeman sent Erwin and Big Jan Kluitenberg down there to sort the lad out.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2017, 11:38:31 PM
Must have been right bevvied not to notice the feller was lining him up. Should hire a minder or take self-defense lessons from Duncan Ferguson.

....or change drinking establishments.

I heard some superb stories when I was living in Florida years ago from a couple Glaswegian businessmen who knocked about with Dunc in Liverpool in the mid to late 90's
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 10, 2017, 11:42:10 PM
I heard some superb stories when I was living in Florida years ago from a couple Glaswegian businessmen who knocked about with Dunc in Liverpool in the mid to late 90's

You have to share Sam.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 10, 2017, 11:50:58 PM
Or get some decent mates.

I always remember seeing Carragher out and he was flanked by about 8 lads at all times with him in the middle of them. No opportunity for anyone to take a potshot and his mates probably got a free night out for the privilege.

Yeah, where are the lids there like?

It's all well and good weighing in on someone 5 mins later but if one of my mates was clearly getting into something with someone unless I was 100% unaware of it, I'd be within arms reach.

Not saying I'd be out flattening people, I'm not like that, but you keep an eye on your mates when you're out as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 10, 2017, 11:55:13 PM
Yeah, where are the lids there like?

It's all well and good weighing in on someone 5 mins later but if one of my mates was clearly getting into something with someone unless I was 100% unaware of it, I'd be within arms reach.

Not saying I'd be out flattening people, I'm not like that, but you keep an eye on your mates when you're out as far as I'm concerned.

like the grock with the skinhead was for the lad that took the dog shot you mean?

he knew there was bother, so where were Barkley's hanger's on?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 10, 2017, 11:56:00 PM
You have to share Sam.

Haha, probably best on the General Forum away from prying Google eyes
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 10, 2017, 11:59:44 PM
Yeah, where are the lids there like?

It's all well and good weighing in on someone 5 mins later but if one of my mates was clearly getting into something with someone unless I was 100% unaware of it, I'd be within arms reach.

Not saying I'd be out flattening people, I'm not like that, but you keep an eye on your mates when you're out as far as I'm concerned.

Especially one as high profile as Ross with a big red X on his forehead as a target. None of his mates should have let him get one on one with a random stranger, if he was a stranger.
Someone needs to be having a word in Ross' ear. Big Dunc might be someone whose words you'd heed in these instances.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 11, 2017, 12:06:17 AM
NSNO where one learns all about that Marquess of Queensbury and back your boy stuff .
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 11, 2017, 12:07:09 AM
NSNO where one learns all about that Marquess of Queensbury and back your boy stuff .


Yeah I am quite amazed by how you always need to watch your back and your friends when out. Where do you guys go to?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 11, 2017, 12:07:20 AM
like the grock with the skinhead was for the lad that took the dog shot you mean?

he knew there was bother, so where were Barkley's hanger's on?

Well yeah.

Like I say imagine if zlatan had been on your bird and you went to find him in town, you wouldn't get in the fucking door never mind get a 5 min one on one with him.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 11, 2017, 12:11:10 AM
Well yeah.

Like I say imagine if zlatan had been on your bird and you went to find him in town, you wouldn't get in the fucking door never mind get a 5 min one on one with him.

Now that Zlatan thinks hes Benjamin Button even 18 year olds will have to watch their birds .
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 11, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
Yeah I am quite amazed by how you always need to watch your back and your friends when out. Where do you guys go to?

It's just town in Liverpool, mate. Even in higher end places, there's little scals and/or cokeheads willing to start swinging at the drop of a hat. We don't even know if the stuff about the bird is true. I think people are just assuming that's what it would be about.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on April 11, 2017, 12:11:55 AM
Yeah I am quite amazed by how you always need to watch your back and your friends when out. Where do you guys go to?

Steer clear of bars and clubs these days .
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 11, 2017, 12:12:51 AM
Well yeah.

Like I say imagine if zlatan had been on your bird and you went to find him in town, you wouldn't get in the fucking door never mind get a 5 min one on one with him.

Zlatan would also kick anyones arse...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2017, 12:21:09 AM
He's a high profile young man in a city centre so he's ripe for attracting an idiot or two.
Being in any bar after midnight wasn't the wisest move but having a one on one with someone, he really should know better. So should the pals he was out with.

Just common sense.

I've seen my younger brother get his lip bitten off in an unprovoked attack in town. Shit happens to Joe public let alone Premiership footballers. 
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 11, 2017, 12:26:55 AM
Lip bitten off?  Jesus. What the hell if going on?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 11, 2017, 12:34:56 AM
Lip bitten off?  Jesus. What the hell if going on?

And this happens in the nice places apparently.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 11, 2017, 12:35:57 AM
What Barkley was doing drunk, in a bar after midnight should be questioned too. Professional footballers should not be drinking that much at anytime.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Gash on April 11, 2017, 12:46:06 AM
What Barkley was doing drunk, in a bar after midnight should be questioned too. Professional footballers should not be drinking that much at anytime.

Who said he was drunk?

Genuine question but I've not seen anything to say he was. Even if he did have a few drinks, it's not like we've a game in two or three days, players should be able to let their hair down within reason.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on April 11, 2017, 12:51:29 AM
Just seen the koeman interview, looks to be losing patience over the contract negotiations....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 11, 2017, 12:53:45 AM
What Barkley was doing drunk, in a bar after midnight should be questioned too. Professional footballers should not be drinking that much at anytime.

and yet when it happened to Tim Cahill about ten years ago nobody batted an eyelid

granted he didn't get a bang, but he did have a champagne bottle lobbed at him, and we know that was over a bird (even though Tim was married)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on April 11, 2017, 12:56:04 AM
What Barkley was doing drunk, in a bar after midnight should be questioned too. Professional footballers should not be drinking that much at anytime.

Drunk ? any evidence of that ? For all we know he was drinking orange juice all night.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: efcforlife on April 11, 2017, 12:59:24 AM
It happens every week or even every night in town..

The lesson should be. "Take it on the chin kid(literally), and don't drink in the company of people willing to do that at any time (which is pretty much every drinking establishment in town at any time these days)

Let that be the end of it
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueMaquis on April 11, 2017, 01:10:55 AM
Why go to a bar if you aren't going to drink? Couldn't think of anywhere more boring.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on April 11, 2017, 01:15:04 AM
Why go to a bar if you aren't going to drink? Couldn't think of anywhere more boring.

I know what you mean but lots of people do, you see it all the time in Corrie, Peter Barlow always has an orange juice and so does Phil Mitchell in Eastenders ! (Now that's got our American cousins wondering )
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: charlatan on April 11, 2017, 01:22:37 AM
Who said he was drunk?

Genuine question but I've not seen anything to say he was. Even if he did have a few drinks, it's not like we've a game in two or three days, players should be able to let their hair down within reason.

Apparently, he'd been in the Liberty Tavern in Woolton earlier and was "hammered".  Don't shoot the messenger, just passing on what somebody I know who was in there (and is a blue) said
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2017, 01:25:22 AM
Why go to a bar if you aren't going to drink? Couldn't think of anywhere more boring.

When you're a rich footballer it's usually a free licence to pull a fit un.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueMaquis on April 11, 2017, 01:50:17 AM
When you're a rich footballer it's usually a free licence to pull a fit un.

Ross seems more interested in chatting to the dudes.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on April 11, 2017, 01:54:19 AM
Baffled how anyone can't get on the ale then go to training.

I had a few last night. Got off from work at 11 and went straight to bed.

Couldn't think of anything worse than having a game of togger hungover.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on April 11, 2017, 02:08:08 AM
Baffled how anyone can't get on the ale then go to training.

I had a few last night. Got off from work at 11 and went straight to bed.

Couldn't think of anything worse than having a game of togger hungover.

Bin bags under the training kit etc.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 11, 2017, 02:10:00 AM
Drunk ? any evidence of that ? For all we know he was drinking orange juice all night.

Look at him in the vid. Slow as anything. All the touch feely crap. He doesn't look good in that at all.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on April 11, 2017, 02:15:35 AM
Look at him in the vid. Slow as anything. All the touch feely crap. He doesn't look good in that at all.

You're the doctor  :)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 11, 2017, 02:18:34 AM
Look at him in the vid. Slow as anything. All the touch feely crap. He doesn't look good in that at all.

Looks like he's trying to explain something to me. Hand gesturing is normal in that situation.. the attacker looks like he's listening but not liking what he's hearing.. hence the fist readying... then Ross seems to say something else and bang.. punch thrown. Looks also like those who jumped in has maybe sensed something gonna go as they were quite quick to jump in. Angles and cameras are difficult to gauge but don't see the touchy feely but myself. I wouldn't say he looked drunk either but no one but he and those there would know that. Lucky it wasn't a glassing really. Seem it happen many times.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Simon Paul on April 11, 2017, 02:19:49 AM
amazed the lad hasn't been named yet on social media to be honest
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Gash on April 11, 2017, 02:19:52 AM
Look at him in the vid. Slow as anything. All the touch feely crap. He doesn't look good in that at all.

It's a shitty, stuttering CCTV clip. There's nothing in that clip to suggest he's drunk.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 11, 2017, 02:23:04 AM
To a professional athlete who doesn't drink often just a couple of bottles has an effect. He doesn't have to have had a skinful to have altered his actions and reactions.

I went three months off the ale last year and when back on it again it didn't take much at all for me to feel it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on April 11, 2017, 02:26:18 AM
It's a shitty, stuttering CCTV clip. There's nothing in that clip to suggest he's drunk.

Everybody looks drunk on CCTV.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Gash on April 11, 2017, 02:27:35 AM
Everybody looks drunk on CCTV.

I think I'd want to drink in bar with better quality CCTV. :)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 11, 2017, 02:27:54 AM
amazed the lad hasn't been named yet on social media to be honest

Seen a few people stick pictures of him up. I'd imagine plenty know his name. If it's the guy they are posting pictures of he looks about 10st and weak as piss
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 11, 2017, 02:31:11 AM
Looks like he's trying to explain something to me. Hand gesturing is normal in that situation.. the attacker looks like he's listening but not liking what he's hearing.. hence the fist readying... then Ross seems to say something else and bang.. punch thrown. Looks also like those who jumped in has maybe sensed something gonna go as they were quite quick to jump in. Angles and cameras are difficult to gauge but don't see the touchy feely but myself. I wouldn't say he looked drunk either but no one but he and those there would know that. Lucky it wasn't a glassing really. Seem it happen many times.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/9f0c32a2af90da5d9ed779d08645853a.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ramjam on April 11, 2017, 02:33:33 AM
That's 2 one on ones Ross lost yesterday, remember the Schmickel one
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on April 11, 2017, 02:37:26 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170410/9f0c32a2af90da5d9ed779d08645853a.jpg)

Definitely @TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) kind of place then
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 11, 2017, 02:50:48 AM
I heard some superb stories when I was living in Florida years ago from a couple Glaswegian businessmen who knocked about with Dunc in Liverpool in the mid to late 90's

All ears here mate. PM me if you'r feared of the dreaded concrete wellies.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 11, 2017, 04:44:03 AM

I've seen my younger brother get his lip bitten off in an unprovoked attack in town.

That's Garlands for ya.
Title: Buying a better replacement for Ross
Post by: beyondblue on April 12, 2017, 03:45:46 PM
After everything in the papers and on the TV about Ross leaving, I'm starting to talk myself around to whether if it happened it would maybe be for the better.

He leaves his past struggles behind him, the club gets a decent amount for him and then we have to replace him.

Moshiri gets a chance to show us how much he can spend by making a statement of intent and buying a better replacement (I don't know enough about other teams to tell you who). The new player isn't playing with the same scrutiny and pressures as Ross.

The club loses its fairytale "local boy that will drag us to the next level," he becomes a villain every time he returns and Everton loses a bit of its home-grown rhetoric.

But maybe taking a step back to take two forwards is what the club will have to do to make the next step.

Before I get tooled - I would still would rather keep him, just sharing my thoughts.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 12, 2017, 03:50:08 PM
After everything in the papers and on the TV about Ross leaving, I'm starting to talk myself around to whether if it happened it would maybe be for the better.

He leaves his past few year's struggles behind him, the club gets a decent amount for him and then we have to replace him.

Moshiri gets a chance to show us how much he can spend by making a statement of intent and buying a better replacement (I don't know enough about other teams to tell you who). The new player isn't playing with the same scrutiny and pressures as Ross.

The club loses its fairytale "local boy that will drag us to the next level," he becomes a villain every time he returns and Everton loses a bit of its home-grown rhetoric.

But maybe taking a step back to take two forwards is what the club will have to make the next step.

Before I get tooled - I would still would rather keep him, just sharing my thoughts.

Fuck that.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on April 12, 2017, 03:50:40 PM
After everything in the papers and on the TV about Ross leaving, I'm starting to talk myself around to whether if it happened it would maybe be for the better.

He leaves his past few year's struggles behind him, the club gets a decent amount for him and then we have to replace him.

Moshiri gets a chance to show us how much he can spend by making a statement of intent and buying a better replacement (I don't know enough about other teams to tell you who). The new player isn't playing with the same scrutiny and pressures as Ross.

The club loses its fairytale "local boy that will drag us to the next level," he becomes a villain every time he returns and Everton loses a bit of its home-grown rhetoric.

But maybe taking a step back to take two forwards is what the club will have to make the next step.

Before I get tooled - I would still would rather keep him, just sharing my thoughts.

He already has left his "past years struggles" behind him. He's been one of the best players on the pitch in pretty much every game since Christmas... certainly at home anyway. The couple of times Koeman has subbed him with a few minutes to go he's got a standing ovation from pretty much the whole stadium. Of course this hasn't been covered in the press because it wouldn't suit the narrative of him being likely to leave.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 12, 2017, 03:51:31 PM
My worry in all this is that say we sell Barkley and lukaku too, there's already a small minority saying moshiri isn't spending owt.

They will love this, sell to spend blah blah blah

Also. It's not going to be easy to attract better players than Ross. Different players yes, players who woukd seemingly suit koemans style, yes. Quality tho?  That's gonna be hard
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 12, 2017, 04:15:02 PM
My worry in all this is that say we sell Barkley and lukaku too, there's already a small minority saying moshiri isn't spending owt.

They will love this, sell to spend blah blah blah

Also. It's not going to be easy to attract better players than Ross. Different players yes, players who woukd seemingly suit koemans style, yes. Quality tho?  That's gonna be hard

True.

If we trouser the best part of £100m if they do leave, plus an extra £25m or so from Cleverley, Del and Niasse then it's gonna be pretty difficult to spend that amount, get value and improve the squad. We'd need to be spending £175m for the idiots, as you say, to not think Moshiri is a fraud and that is an obscene amount of money to spend in one summer for a club like ours.

Lukaku I'm resigned to losing so I'd like to think we've got at least a couple of players lined up to replace him but Barkley as well, I'm not so sure that you can replace them two together so easily.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on April 12, 2017, 04:32:03 PM
My worry in all this is that say we sell Barkley and lukaku too, there's already a small minority saying moshiri isn't spending owt.

They will love this, sell to spend blah blah blah

Also. It's not going to be easy to attract better players than Ross. Different players yes, players who woukd seemingly suit koemans style, yes. Quality tho?  That's gonna be hard



I don't believe that Moshiri is only going to spend what we make in sales. We have sold john Stones at 47.5 mill which more or less takes care of Bolasie, Lookman and the Williams fees. A reported 6 mill for Cleverly, covers near on the fee for Idrissa Gana Gueye. It's not surprising there's a bit of disquiet. We really will have to actually invest new money in the playing staff this window or the doubters are going to get louder. it's not surprising really. Schneiderlin is the only big purchase that new money has been used to facilitate.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 12, 2017, 05:36:53 PM
We can't just go and blow £100m on transfers with associated wages etc... The FFP rules don't let teams like ours do that, with our current income levels.

As I mentioned earlier if, heaven forbid, Lukaku, Barkley and a few others went this summer then we'd have brought in more than £125m to then reinvest in the playing side. You can't then expect us to go and blow over £200m in one window just to prove we have new money. However some will expect us to do just that.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on April 12, 2017, 05:45:13 PM
We can't just go and blow £100m on transfers with associated wages etc... The FFP rules don't let teams like ours do that, with our current income levels.

As I mentioned earlier if, heaven forbid, Lukaku, Barkley and a few others went this summer then we'd have brought in more than £125m to then reinvest in the playing side. You can't then expect us to go and blow over £200m in one window just to prove we have new money. However some will expect us to do just that.



Personally I'm stating facts. nothing more. :)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: arteta4spain on April 12, 2017, 05:49:18 PM
True.

If we trouser the best part of £100m if they do leave, plus an extra £25m or so from Cleverley, Del and Niasse then it's gonna be pretty difficult to spend that amount, get value and improve the squad. We'd need to be spending £175m for the idiots, as you say, to not think Moshiri is a fraud and that is an obscene amount of money to spend in one summer for a club like ours.

Lukaku I'm resigned to losing so I'd like to think we've got at least a couple of players lined up to replace him but Barkley as well, I'm not so sure that you can replace them two together so easily.
Haha better still the money from Rom and Barkleys supposed sales will give us a down payment on the stadium. Nice 1/3 of the cost covered there! ;-)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 13, 2017, 08:17:42 PM
Koeman just said that the board is in talks with his agent. Also said he wasn't thrilled about the events of last weekend, but he wasn't too scathing in fairness. Just said 'that's why I chose to live outside of the city'. Also said the best place for him is Everton.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Hawkandro on April 13, 2017, 09:09:33 PM
He also said that Ross has told him he wants to play Champions League. Hopefully we can sell the chance of him playing that with us, but you bet clubs will be in the hunt now over the summer.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: hill135 on April 13, 2017, 10:46:28 PM
We've given him a deadline of May to sign a new deal, according to the Guardian.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: arteta4spain on April 13, 2017, 11:21:53 PM
Him and Rom are gone in the summer. Even if they don't go we need to cover any eventuality. 
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: oztoffee on April 15, 2017, 05:08:16 AM
He also said that Ross has told him he wants to play Champions League. Hopefully we can sell the chance of him playing that with us, but you bet clubs will be in the hunt now over the summer.
   Have any clubs expressed an interest? If there was any chance of a move, it would be all over the papers. Are there any rumours?
Honestly, I wouldn't be too upset if he went, but losing Rom would leave a 25-goal gap in our attack. I think Ross could be replaced without battling too hard, there are a number of good midfielders around but finding another Rom would be extremely difficult.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: blargins on April 16, 2017, 12:34:35 AM
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Anyone think Ross looks like a copper?  lolol
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 16, 2017, 04:29:18 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/792445/Manchester-United-Ross-Barkley-Everton-Jose-Mourinho-35m-Chelsea-Contract-Transfer-News/amp
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on April 16, 2017, 04:36:27 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/792445/Manchester-United-Ross-Barkley-Everton-Jose-Mourinho-35m-Chelsea-Contract-Transfer-News/amp





If people think the mail is full of shit and want more? Read the express. :P
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 16, 2017, 04:38:30 PM



If people think the mail is full of shit and want more? Read the express. :P

Mate every newspaper is full of shit.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on April 16, 2017, 04:40:07 PM
Mate every newspaper is full of shit.



The express should get special dispensation.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 16, 2017, 04:46:58 PM
It's just a really odd situation with barkley. There's lots of stories about his contract and interest but none of the stories actually have any information about if he intends to sign, what the problem is if there is 1 etc. Every story is the same. Hasn't signed might sell. It's very odd that there's no actual information
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on April 16, 2017, 04:55:11 PM
It's just a really odd situation with barkley. There's lots of stories about his contract and interest but none of the stories actually have any information about if he intends to sign, what the problem is if there is 1 etc. Every story is the same. Hasn't signed might sell. It's very odd that there's no actual information

You have the exact information from the manager "a contract is on the table, he either signs it or we have to sell him, simple as that " what more "actual" information do you want ?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on April 16, 2017, 04:57:53 PM
It's just a really odd situation with barkley. There's lots of stories about his contract and interest but none of the stories actually have any information about if he intends to sign, what the problem is if there is 1 etc. Every story is the same. Hasn't signed might sell. It's very odd that there's no actual information



I've asked a few times who his agent is and was led to believe it was David Moyes Brother, or possibly his son. No one seemed any the wiser and nothing was confirmed.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 16, 2017, 06:03:24 PM
going to be a long and painful summer, isn't it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 16, 2017, 06:05:38 PM
You have the exact information from the manager "a contract is on the table, he either signs it or we have to sell him, simple as that " what more "actual" information do you want ?

Well there's normally something from the players point of view. Not 1 of the stories says he wants to leave or to stay
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Silas on April 16, 2017, 06:10:35 PM
going to be a long and painful summer, isn't it.

I don't think it is. I think Barkley will sign (he's an idiot if he doesn't really) and Lukaku will stay or go quickly.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on April 16, 2017, 06:15:23 PM
I don't think it is. I think Barkley will sign (he's an idiot if he doesn't really) and Lukaku will stay or go quickly.

How's he stay quickly?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 16, 2017, 06:19:11 PM
Well there's normally something from the players point of view. Not 1 of the stories says he wants to leave or to stay

Apart from the one Jamie Redknapp has gone on about twice, where he spent time with Ross at Finch Farm, and from conversations with him he confidently proclaimed he should leave and will leave.

RS Cockney cunt.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Silas on April 16, 2017, 06:19:42 PM
How's he stay quickly?

By signing a contract early summer
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on April 16, 2017, 06:40:12 PM
Well there's normally something from the players point of view. Not 1 of the stories says he wants to leave or to stay

The players point of view is he hasn't signed the contract.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 16, 2017, 07:57:40 PM
The players point of view is he hasn't signed the contract.

That's his view? Someone doesnt understand the meaning of the word
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Mick 1995 on April 16, 2017, 11:54:30 PM
Well this thread has turned into an oestrogen filled snipe-fest.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 17, 2017, 01:02:29 AM
Well this thread has turned into an oestrogen filled snipe-fest.

Bitch  :wag: 💃🏻
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 17, 2017, 02:41:10 AM
I think yesterday's celebration is indicative of his desire to stay, and I get the impression that he hasn't actually been offered a contract yet. Koeman said the board are talking to his agent, and I think it will be agreed and announced before the end of the season.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: benny on April 17, 2017, 02:47:24 AM
Well this thread has turned into an oestrogen filled snipe-fest.
                  thats gone right over my head dont know what that fuckin means.Shall i get my coat
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on April 17, 2017, 03:22:54 AM
I think yesterday's celebration is indicative of his desire to stay, and I get the impression that he hasn't actually been offered a contract yet. Koeman said the board are talking to his agent, and I think it will be agreed and announced before the end of the season.

I agree. The celebration yesterday was about being a Blue... however Rooney did similar with the t shirt. I think I his agent is advising the delay to improve the terms... perhaps Koeman doesn't know that which I doubt but there seems a tension here... mmmmm
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on April 17, 2017, 03:24:43 AM
                  thats gone right over my head dont know what that fuckin means.Shall i get my coat

Oestrogen filled snipe is a highly sought after French delicacy.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 17, 2017, 03:35:23 AM
Oestrogen filled snipe is a highly sought after French delicacy.

Yeah, they melt in the mouth when you marinate them right
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 17, 2017, 04:44:34 AM
I think yesterday's celebration is indicative of his desire to stay, and I get the impression that he hasn't actually been offered a contract yet. Koeman said the board are talking to his agent, and I think it will be agreed and announced before the end of the season.

I think his agents needling for a bit more dough and Ross is doing what he's told.

£140k player for me.

The best thing we can say about OP's question is; running and winning games.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 17, 2017, 05:19:33 AM
I think his agents needling for a bit more dough and Ross is doing what he's told.

£140k player for me.

The best thing we can say about OP's question is; running and winning games.

They want £150k, we've offered £100k. That's my inkling. 
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 17, 2017, 06:39:15 AM
Think Koeman et al want to see a bit more consistency and goals from Ross before they offer big money.

The best thing about Saturdays performance was that it was more of a box to box. More so than in recent months.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 17, 2017, 06:46:45 AM
Ross isn't worth £150k/week no way. Half that. If we're offering him £100k/week then that is a bloody good deal. The reality is that neither the fan base or Koeman are stressing out about him leaving. He is paying a dangerous game stringing things out. I'm not impressed anyway.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 17, 2017, 06:51:02 AM
Ross isn't worth £150k/week no way. Half that. If we're offering him £100k/week then that is a bloody good deal. The reality is that neither the fan base or Koeman are stressing out about him leaving. He is paying a dangerous game stringing things out. I'm not impressed anyway.

I don't even think he's been offered a deal yet, so most of the stuff you've just said is made up entirely in your own head.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 17, 2017, 06:59:26 AM
Ross isn't worth £150k/week no way. Half that. If we're offering him £100k/week then that is a bloody good deal. The reality is that neither the fan base or Koeman are stressing out about him leaving. He is paying a dangerous game stringing things out. I'm not impressed anyway.

Yeah but unfortunately we're now entering an era where we're talking about lashing £100k and £140k at koulibaly, Perez, kolasinac, sigurssson et al. So what is our golden boy worth?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: djws1788 on April 17, 2017, 09:15:41 AM
jumping from 100k to 150k will cost us 2.6m a year more, we'll lose that just by selling him at a discount with less than a year to run. no brainer for me if that's the hold up.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 17, 2017, 02:03:55 PM
I don't even think he's been offered a deal yet, so most of the stuff you've just said is made up entirely in your own head.

It's a forum remember?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 17, 2017, 02:15:46 PM
It's a forum remember?

Aye. People comment on each other's posts, which is what I've just done.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 17, 2017, 02:36:11 PM
Aye. People comment on each other's posts, which is what I've just done.

Oh well done clever clogs
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on April 17, 2017, 03:02:06 PM
I can't understand why Koeman isn't jumpy though. He was annoyed in January but here we are potentially losing a player who has an important role for us. It would completely change the transfer targets/scouting. It's no good just thinking that he will sign. He hasn't. The echo said he had been offered a contract some time ago (although there DPI appear to be mixed messages). But even if he hasn't, would we really believe that the club would let it run down so we lose out on a fee?  Then watch Koeman seemingly appear not massively bothered?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Silas on April 17, 2017, 03:04:40 PM
Why is he not worth 150k. This season and last he was one of the most effective players in the league.  I can't think of anyone inn the league I would swap him for in his position at this moment
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 17, 2017, 03:08:24 PM
Why is he not worth 150k. This season and last he was one of the most effective players in the league.  I can't think of anyone inn the league I would swap him for in his position at this moment

Ali, Erickson, Hazard?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on April 17, 2017, 03:12:34 PM
Why is he not worth 150k. This season and last he was one of the most effective players in the league.  I can't think of anyone inn the league I would swap him for in his position at this moment

Created most chances of all English players in the league.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 17, 2017, 03:31:12 PM
He's upped his game massively and deserves a proper contract. I don't think anyone can argue against that can they?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Silas on April 17, 2017, 03:36:56 PM
Ali, Erickson, Hazard?

Right now only Ali is playing as well as him and he's not the same sort of player. 
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: School of Science on April 17, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
Lallana's new contract is worth £150,000 p/w, is he any better than Barkley ? I know who I would rather have in my team and I rate Lallana.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 17, 2017, 03:46:36 PM
I feel like I've generated a rumour!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on April 17, 2017, 03:47:04 PM
Has the new contract not been signed due to the terms he's being offered, and deemed not sufficient by his representatives? Either his loyalties toward the club are being taken for granted, or used by the club, or Ross's team are asking too much. Say for example is he worth 140k a week similar to Lukaku? Money and loyalty don't sit very well together in a modern age were people in control of money take advantage of anything and everything, including loyalty. He deserves to be treated fairly. The question is, is he?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 17, 2017, 03:53:00 PM
No-one really knows shit do we?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 17, 2017, 04:00:27 PM
Right now only Ali is playing as well as him and he's not the same sort of player. 

Hasn't Ali got something like 12 goals in 2017. Barkley is playing great but Ali's output is something else
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jamokachi on April 17, 2017, 04:05:07 PM
Hasn't Ali got something like 12 goals in 2017. Barkley is playing great but Ali's output is something else

Dele (to give him his preferred name) plays in a much more attacking role though. As has been said on this forum countless time by @GLewis (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) he's a forward.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Silas on April 17, 2017, 04:30:04 PM
Hasn't Ali got something like 12 goals in 2017. Barkley is playing great but Ali's output is something else

Yeah depends what you want from a player. Assists Barkley is superior. Alli is more of a Cahill scholes player.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: van der Meyde on April 17, 2017, 04:52:00 PM
Read a fairly interesting discussion on player wages recently:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/jun/10/players-wages-premier-league

Would a basic wage of £90k and another £50k+ based on incentives be the best compromise?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 17, 2017, 05:06:22 PM
We should incentivise all of them for 3 fucking points at anfield.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 17, 2017, 05:32:25 PM
Read a fairly interesting discussion on player wages recently:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/jun/10/players-wages-premier-league

Would a basic wage of £90k and another £50k+ based on incentives be the best compromise?

Not my money so not arsed. Just sign him up.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: benny on April 18, 2017, 01:32:03 AM
Oestrogen filled snipe is a highly sought after French delicacy.
              fuck that then i hate the french but thanks for the info   lolol
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on April 18, 2017, 05:20:35 AM
Read a fairly interesting discussion on player wages recently:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/jun/10/players-wages-premier-league

Would a basic wage of £90k and another £50k+ based on incentives be the best compromise?

Yeah maybe. Let's offer him that then, agreed?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 19, 2017, 11:14:15 PM
https://twitter.com/m/status/854671705486372864
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on April 20, 2017, 12:03:03 AM
Yeah, I love him.

Never leave Roscoe lad.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 20, 2017, 03:02:01 AM
Yeah, I love him.

Never leave Roscoe lad.

He's going nowhere. His mum would clip him round the tabs if he even entertained the thought  of leaving.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: efcforlife on April 20, 2017, 03:46:26 AM
He's going nowhere. His mum would clip him round the tabs if he even entertained the thought  of leaving.

I really hope so.

I'd be absolutely gutted if he left.

Rooney signing would soften the blow but still I'd be gutted
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 20, 2017, 04:41:59 AM
I really hope so.

I'd be absolutely gutted if he left.

Rooney signing would soften the blow but still I'd be gutted

Jesus!! You're going to be extremely disappointed
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on April 20, 2017, 05:28:20 PM
I think I must be in the minority but I'd actually be quite excited to see Barkley, Rooney and Davies in the same team next season. At least until the Rooney love in wears off or we see he's not the player he was or hoped to see, but I think initially they'd feed off each other and just to see three local past, present and future potential greats would be worth it for a season at least.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: efcforlife on April 21, 2017, 03:53:00 AM
Jesus!! You're going to be extremely disappointed

🤞 we get Rooney though innit
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 21, 2017, 04:24:55 AM
Yeah, I love him.

Never leave Roscoe lad.

Yeah I can't help but get the feeling he's on the cusp of something ginormagantuan.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on April 22, 2017, 04:50:52 PM
Operation Damage Limitation:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39677539
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: eame on April 22, 2017, 04:55:55 PM
Operation Damage Limitation:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39677539

Fook them and their apology
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 22, 2017, 04:57:10 PM
Operation Damage Limitation:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39677539

They are fucking spineless.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: stirlingblue on April 22, 2017, 05:17:03 PM
It's such a weird apology, not apologising for suggesting he is stupid but just the gorilla comparison.

"Sorry lad, I meant to insult you and question your intelligence, but not in a racist way. We good?"
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: toffee_scot on April 22, 2017, 05:24:58 PM
They also haven't apologised for the Liverpool drug dealer slur.

Also has Mackenzie apologised at all and will the Sun sever their ties with him?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Toddacelli on April 22, 2017, 05:30:16 PM
To say that it is beyond parody to call his article racist for what he said about Ross....

... and then does not also retract what they said about Liverpool the city - "the only people in Liverpool who could earn as much as footballers were drug dealers"

Tell me when discrimination against a group is not discrimination? Even if he feels that not knowing Ross' family history - he still singled someone out and used horrible language (and one could argue historically racist language) to attack them. Even if he doesn't think it is 'racial' towards Ross - he then did the same thing to a city and everyone in it.

What a massive tool!


Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Robioto on April 22, 2017, 06:17:56 PM
Operation Damage Limitation:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39677539

They can stick their apology quite firmly up their ass.

It's not even a proper apology. Scum.

I still can't believe anyone buys this shit.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2017, 07:59:15 PM
They can stick their apology quite firmly up their ass.

It's not even a proper apology. Scum.

I still can't believe anyone buys this shit.

I can believe it.

This is a readership (and a fair amount of the general population) who voted for Cameron, Brexit, and will probably vote for Theresa May.

A population intoxicated by smartphones, reality TV popularity contests, Towie, and Prosecco.

Nothing about the British ability to be apathetic, ignorant, and gullible surprises me at all these days.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 22, 2017, 08:29:10 PM
I can believe it.

This is a readership (and a fair amount of the general population) who voted for Cameron, Brexit, and will probably vote for Theresa May.

A population intoxicated by smartphones, reality TV popularity contests, Towie, and Prosecco.

Nothing about the British ability to be apathetic, ignorant, and gullible surprises me at all these days.

Cue for a song that la.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2017, 08:37:53 PM
Cue for a song that la.


It echoes the sentiments expressed on a fair few of the album tracks, don't you worry, Bacon mate 😉😁
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 22, 2017, 08:39:25 PM
It echoes the sentiments expressed on a fair few of the album tracks, don't you worry, Bacon mate 😉😁

Quite looking forward to hearing the album. Will it be available in Canada or will I order it like?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 22, 2017, 08:42:29 PM
Quite looking forward to hearing the album. Will it be available in Canada or will I order it like?

I'll PM you now, bro, nobody wants to read my shit on this thread here 😁
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: bacon sarnie on April 22, 2017, 08:43:45 PM
I'll PM you now, bro, nobody wants to read my shit on this thread here 😁

OK. Bet Ross Barkley would like a copy.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: sam of the south on April 23, 2017, 05:16:09 AM
OK. Bet Ross Barkley would like a copy.

I'll sign one for him 😉
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MarcusFenix on April 23, 2017, 05:41:00 AM
...

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 11, 2017, 04:40:08 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/05/10/everton-still-dark-ross-barkley-future/

Quote
Ross Barkley remains undecided on his Everton future and is set to miss Ronald Koeman’s deadline to commit himself to Goodison Park.

Koeman says he wants Barkley to decide if he will sign a new deal by the end of the season. The midfielder is no closer to making such a declaration amid interest from Tottenham Hotspur. Everton play their final home game against Watford on Friday before travelling to Arsenal for their last game of the campaign.

The future of Barkley and Romelu Lukaku is casting a shadow over an encouraging first season at Goodison Park for Koeman, in which he has secured European qualification

He has taken a tough stance on both his star players, warning Lukaku he will not be sold unless the manager and board agree, but telling Barkley he will be put on the transfer list if he does not sign a contract.

Lukaku has two years remaining on his deal, Barkley one, which is why Koeman has taken a different approach with each.

Koeman recently expressed his wish to have the Barkley situation resolved. “We offer him a new contract and then two possibilities,” Koeman said last month. “One, he signs that contract. If he doesn’t sign that contract, then we need to sell the player. It is simple. It is not so difficult in my opinion.”

Koeman’s relationship with Lukaku has been warmer, with the Belgian striker crediting his manager with improving his all-round game.

Lukaku – who has told Everton he does not intend signing a new deal amid interest from Chelsea– was named the club’s player of the year this week.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on May 11, 2017, 04:58:22 AM
I'm not arsed anymore.

If he thinks he's getting into a champions league team then he's mistaken.

Starting to think he's never going to be the player we thought he would be.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 11, 2017, 05:27:18 AM
Koemans not arsed if he stays or goes, Barkley wants decent wedge, the deal he has been offered is take it or leave it

Gutted when he goes
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Juanito on May 11, 2017, 05:30:15 AM
If it's true Spurs want him, he will get champions league football but I think he will find it hard to get into their side week in week out.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 11, 2017, 05:35:38 AM
Yeah I don't think koeman cares much if he stays or not and if he signs for Spurs i really can't see who he plays instead of.

Got to say I'm not right arsed what he does. He's currently not worth a pay rise on the contract he spent most of not justifying.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 11, 2017, 01:13:36 PM
I think he's being badly advised. He could well find himself in the situation Sissoko is in if he moves to Spurs.

He has more chance of regular first team football here but even if he does stay, after this summer's acquisitions, he may well find himself on the bench here anyway. I don't think Koeman is that taken with him.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 11, 2017, 02:23:48 PM
Hang on a minute. I remember reading in here people saying we definitley hadn't even offered him a contract and were waiting for summer to do so?

But now we have Koeman saying the deal has to be accepted by the end of the season?
So that indicates the offer has already been made yes?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Hawkandro on May 11, 2017, 02:34:06 PM
I want to keep Ross, always have, but he hasn't shown any real form this year, apart from that purple patch he went through a month or so back.

He also goes missing in the big games (though you could say that about 99% of the team TBH). Unfortunately, I think he has had his head turned by his advisors, but I feel he will be another Rodwell; he won't find greener grass elsewhere.

Not sure why you would go to Spurs either (aside from Champions League) as they have about 56 midfielders.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 11, 2017, 02:44:36 PM
Hang on a minute. I remember reading in here people saying we definitley hadn't even offered him a contract and were waiting for summer to do so?

But now we have Koeman saying the deal has to be accepted by the end of the season?
So that indicates the offer has already been made yes?

I would assume the manager of the football club might have a little more knowledge of the situation than a few posters on an internet forum.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 11, 2017, 02:46:46 PM
Hang on a minute. I remember reading in here people saying we definitley hadn't even offered him a contract and were waiting for summer to do so?

But now we have Koeman saying the deal has to be accepted by the end of the season?
So that indicates the offer has already been made yes?

Not sure the papers know what's going on tbh. Like the rest of us, they appear to be guessing.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on May 11, 2017, 02:48:18 PM
I'm struggling to understand the panic here, what's the rush? He will sign his new contract when someone teaches him how to write, simple really.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 11, 2017, 02:49:23 PM
I want to keep Ross, always have, but he hasn't shown any real form this year, apart from that purple patch he went through a month or so back.

He also goes missing in the big games (though you could say that about 99% of the team TBH). Unfortunately, I think he has had his head turned by his advisors, but I feel he will be another Rodwell; he won't find greener grass elsewhere.

Not sure why you would go to Spurs either (aside from Champions League) as they have about 56 midfielders.


Not sure that's fair. He's been excellent since the start of the year, and his marked improvements lasted a few months  (barring the big games, as you say, like the rest of the team ).

I think you'd go to Spurs because they look cemented in the Top 4 for the forseeable, London is an attractive city and Pochettino has improved almost every player he's worked with markedly. There will be lots of games for them next season, and opportunities to play for more than just 11 players.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Hawkandro on May 11, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
I always think of Spurs as a place midfielders go to die (or end up on loan at Hull).
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Goaljira on May 11, 2017, 03:08:23 PM
I always think of Spurs as a place midfielders go to die (or end up on loan at Hull).

Or Watford.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on May 11, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
Not sure that's fair. He's been excellent since the start of the year, and his marked improvements lasted a few months  (barring the big games, as you say, like the rest of the team ).

I think you'd go to Spurs because they look cemented in the Top 4 for the forseeable, London is an attractive city and Pochettino has improved almost every player he's worked with markedly. There will be lots of games for them next season, and opportunities to play for more than just 11 players.

Not to mention an automatic selection for England.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on May 11, 2017, 04:11:50 PM
He would struggle massively to get into the Spurs side.

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Toddacelli on May 11, 2017, 04:14:42 PM
He would struggle massively to get into the Spurs side.



Is that the problem though?

Is it too easy for him to get in the Everton side? Would proper competition make him play better?

Look how strong he came back after Koeman dropped him.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 04:55:29 PM
It would be a mistake for us to sell Ross. He has it, it will come, we just have to wait. He'll do it here or elsewhere. I know where I would rather see him flourish.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Waltzer on May 11, 2017, 05:01:20 PM
It would be a mistake for us to sell Ross. He has it, it will come, we just have to wait. He'll do it here or elsewhere. I know where I would rather see him flourish.

I tend to agree, although you could've posted this anytime over the last 3 to 5 years, there comes a time when enough is enough and you move on. My hope is that he stays though.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
I tend to agree, although you could've posted this anytime over the last 3 to 5 years, there comes a time when enough is enough and you move on. My hope is that he stays though.



I can't argue with what you say. The point is; there will be absolute meltdown every time he has a stormer for whoever he signs for when, or if he leaves. It's a cast iron certainty.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Toddacelli on May 11, 2017, 06:23:19 PM


I can't argue with what you say. The point is; there will be absolute meltdown every time he has a stormer for whoever he signs for when, or if he leaves. It's a cast iron certainty.

If he scores against us...

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/trrfd.gif)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: smellybum on May 11, 2017, 06:49:18 PM
It would be a mistake for us to sell Ross. He has it, it will come, we just have to wait. He'll do it here or elsewhere. I know where I would rather see him flourish.

For me, I am not sure. Just seems to have that something missing. That little bit of intelligence. Maybe he is just as thick as 2 short planks and he may never get to where we believed he would get too. Saying that, he is still a good player, and one we should be looking to keep, if we are really serious about having a squad that can compete on multiple levels. However if he wants to go, then off he goes. The standard he is now, he is replaceable. If he really knuckled down and became the player he should have become then that is a different matter. We should be talking silly money for him and all be crying on our mummy's shoulders at the mere thought of him going. But alas the choice is his. Stay and knuckle down and try to be the main man here or go and be a squad player in the capital. We know he is a brittle character in regards his confidence. Would a move somewhere else and maybe a life on and off the bench be really what he needs? I have a feeling if he goes we just may never see a great player flourish.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: blargins on May 11, 2017, 06:56:56 PM
For me, the missing ingredient is what Tom Davies has, that fire and passion.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 11, 2017, 07:17:27 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/862640176396460032
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 11, 2017, 07:30:26 PM
For me, the missing ingredient is what Tom Davies has, that fire and passion.

Davies also has the much talked about 'football brain' which is hard to define but you just know when someone has it and when they don't.

Based on that rather vague description I just don't think Barkley has it.
There are times when the obvious pass is on, the quick ball, the turn move and release, the type of situation that you in the crowd can see and the better players on the park can see but he can't for whatever reason. He'll take an extra touch, or three, then turn the wrong way and it's gone.
You can see with Davies that he just gets it. He rarely gets caught on the ball, for someone at such a young age.

This isn't to slag Barkley as I hope he stays and works through it because he's a great player and will get better in time but from a manager who had 'it' as a player and has worked with Bergkamp, Romario, Gullit, Ibrahimovic etc... I think he's seen enough to know he's not going to bend over backwards for him and he'll back himself to bring in a replacement who gives him more of what he thinks we lack.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on May 11, 2017, 07:33:51 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/862640176396460032


Good. At last
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: blargins on May 11, 2017, 07:33:52 PM
Davies also has the much talked about 'football brain' which is hard to define but you just know when someone has it and when they don't.

Based on that rather vague description I just don't think Barkley has it.
There are times when the obvious pass is on, the quick ball, the turn move and release, the type of situation that you in the crowd can see and the better players on the park can see but he can't for whatever reason. He'll take an extra touch, or three, then turn the wrong way and it's gone.
You can see with Davies that he just gets it. He rarely gets caught on the ball, for someone at such a young age.

This isn't to slag Barkley as I hope he stays and works through it because he's a great player and will get better in time but from a manager who has worked with Bergkamp, Romario, Gullit, Ibrahimovic etc... I think he's seen enough to know he's not going to bend over backwards for him and he'll back himself to bring in a replacement who gives him more of what he thinks we lack.

Agreed. Where Davies lacks the skills of Barkely, he has that X-factor about him. It's what will likely keep Barkley at the good to very good player level for his career. I'm not sure it can be trained into him.

Barkley has unfortunately suffered from our own hype that he would be the next big thing. Comparisons to Gazza were very unfounded. Gazza had that missing factor too.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: blargins on May 11, 2017, 07:34:45 PM


Good. At last

That's good. No playing around. Learning from last summer.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on May 11, 2017, 07:37:16 PM
I cannot believe Barkley would leave. I wouldn't mind if he did but it would be bad for him I've no doubt. He's the new Joe Cole.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: blargins on May 11, 2017, 07:39:59 PM
I cannot believe Barkley would leave. I wouldn't mind if he did but it would be bad for him I've no doubt. He's the new Joe Cole.

It does sound surreal, doesn't it? I didn't think he'd ever want to leave. I don't really know why he hasn't signed, but Koeman is right, sign or fuck off.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Trowel on May 11, 2017, 07:40:18 PM
Gazza had that missing factor too.
...chicken and a fishing rod?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on May 11, 2017, 07:49:49 PM
It does sound surreal, doesn't it? I didn't think he'd ever want to leave. I don't really know why he hasn't signed, but Koeman is right, sign or fuck off.

I'm guessing that he's being advised to stick it out, assuming that we'll fold and offer whatever the current gap is.

This first cropped up when it emerged what we were offering to Lukaku and his agent probably thought he was worth the same (or similar).

Unfortunately, he's still not done enough (despite improved form) to be close to that value to us.

It's a bit of a mess but I think the club is right here, assuming we've made a decent offer.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: arteta4spain on May 11, 2017, 07:51:31 PM
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/862640176396460032
Love this approach by the club/Koeman. Shows that we won't roll over just because he's "one of us" if he truly cared he'd have told Koeman his direct intentions. I have a feeling Ross was waiting to see if we'd make champions league. Up until last week was is still mathematically possible to get there? Albeit impossible. Now that it's official that we can't, has Koeman now laid down the gauntlet for Ross to now make a decision?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on May 11, 2017, 07:54:57 PM
Love this approach by the club/Koeman. Shows that we won't roll over just because he's "one of us" if he truly cared he'd have told Koeman his direct intentions. I have a feeling Ross was waiting to see if we'd make champions league. Up until last week was is still mathematically possible to get there? Albeit impossible. Now that it's official that we can't, has Koeman now laid down the gauntlet for Ross to now make a decision?

The CL thing will be mentioned by his agent regardless of whether it's true or not as that's something we can't provide and therefore would look to compensate for by offering more money.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 07:55:17 PM
With all these agents getting more and more involved and wanting more and more, transfers at this club have started to get quite messy.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on May 11, 2017, 07:56:38 PM
With all these agents getting more and more involved and wanting more and more, transfers at this club have started to get quite messy.

It's the same everywhere to be fair and has been for a good while.

Didn't Cahill have a move to Palace break down over an agent's fee issue and we "swooped" in?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 11, 2017, 08:04:02 PM
Not actually sure who would sign Barkley who is better than us anyway (in this country)

Arsenal are going to be buying much better players than Ross when the season is over.

Chelsea and Spurs won't want him and don't need him, I doubt we would sell to Liverpool.

Man City could take him as back up, also helps with their home grown quota, it would be a terrible move for his career though.

Maybe Utd aren't a bad shout, he's on parr with some of their midfielders, although I think with Griezman apparently all but done, Pogba already there (and possibly Lukaku)...he would struggle to get in that squad. They are going to strengthen even more if they win the EL.

He is probably already at the best club for him. I just don't think he's the best midfielder for us.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on May 11, 2017, 08:08:23 PM
No point acting the Billy big bollocks here it's not the 1960's. You can't simply tell a player who's in contract that  he's being sold.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 11, 2017, 08:15:52 PM
No point acting the Billy big bollocks here it's not the 1960's. You can't simply tell a player who's in contract that  he's being sold.

He'll sign or be sold. I don't think it's sign here or we'll sell you to Accrington Stanley. It's more we won't want it to drag on so negotiations will stop and we'll look to get you the move you obviously want. He's hardly going to refuse a contract or a good move. Unless you're suggesting he fancies a career change
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: arteta4spain on May 11, 2017, 08:16:47 PM
No point acting the Billy big bollocks here it's not the 1960's. You can't simply tell a player who's in contract that  he's being sold.
But he's got a year to go and would you rather loose out on possibly 20mill+??
It's not like back then. Money dictates football. We can't afford to loose that kind of money.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 11, 2017, 08:17:14 PM
A small part of me wants him to go elsewhere and do brilliantly just to prove a point to a few people.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Everton Mint on May 11, 2017, 08:20:18 PM
If he refuses the contract and wont leave he will lose any love the fans have for him very fast.

He has to accept being sold in that scenario.

It will probably be best for him anyway... he could flourish elsewhere without the local-boy expectation.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 08:22:15 PM
It's the same everywhere to be fair and has been for a good while.

Didn't Cahill have a move to Palace break down over an agent's fee issue and we "swooped" in?



Isn't it obvious it's getting worse though? It appears like that to me from what I can see. I do believe, (though no proof) that agents have been stoking up the prices and the rivalry for their players in the press and media in quite an arbitrary fashion.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Waltzer on May 11, 2017, 08:23:07 PM
Not actually sure who would sign Barkley who is better than us anyway (in this country)

Arsenal are going to be buying much better players than Ross when the season is over.

Chelsea and Spurs won't want him and don't need him, I doubt we would sell to Liverpool.

Man City could take him as back up, also helps with their home grown quota, it would be a terrible move for his career though.

Maybe Utd aren't a bad shout, he's on parr with some of their midfielders, although I think with Griezman apparently all but done, Pogba already there (and possibly Lukaku)...he would struggle to get in that squad. They are going to strengthen even more if they win the EL.

He is probably already at the best club for him. I just don't think he's the best midfielder for us.

I think a few would take a punt at a knocked down price but I cant see him getting much game time. If he wants to progress he'd be better off dropping down to a lesser team similar to Wilshire. If he goes to Spurs hes spending a lot of time on the bench and he'll never improve as he needs to be playing to retain his sharpness
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on May 11, 2017, 08:24:39 PM
He'll sign or be sold. I don't think it's sign here or we'll sell you to Accrington Stanley. It's more we won't want it to drag on so negotiations will stop and we'll look to get you the move you obviously want. He's hardly going to refuse a contract or a good move. Unless you're suggesting he fancies a career change

Barkley has to agree to any move. The club can't force him out if his intentions are to see the remaining twelve months of his contract through. If an offer comes along acceptable to him he might take it but he doesn't have to if it's not the move he wants.

Koemans making out there's a deadline now or Barkleys gone and that's not the case. The club might be open to offers from others but the player might not be. No point putting some arbitrary deadline on this because it's not enforceable.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on May 11, 2017, 08:28:58 PM
It would be a mistake for us to sell Ross. He has it, it will come, we just have to wait. He'll do it here or elsewhere. I know where I would rather see him flourish.

But if we do t sell he's going to fuck off on a free next year anyway isn't he.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on May 11, 2017, 08:29:21 PM
No point acting the Billy big bollocks here it's not the 1960's. You can't simply tell a player who's in contract that  he's being sold.

Errrrr yeah you can.

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on May 11, 2017, 08:29:55 PM
But he's got a year to go and would you rather loose out on possibly 20mill+??
It's not like back then. Money dictates football. We can't afford to loose that kind of money.

Money has always dictated football.

I'd rather this had have been sorted in normal fashion and Barkley had have signed a contract, but it's not been and the club have let this slide for whatever reason. It'll be the clubs fault if they lose out on any money.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 11, 2017, 08:30:48 PM
I think a few would take a punt at a knocked down price but I cant see him getting much game time. If he wants to progress he'd be better off dropping down to a lesser team similar to Wilshire. If he goes to Spurs hes spending a lot of time on the bench and he'll never improve as he needs to be playing to retain his sharpness


He'd probably do well at a club like Southampton, maybe even West Ham or Newcastle, get some proper game time, he might even then go on to better things, sometimes players just don't suit certain clubs, and I can't see Barkley improving here, he's stagnated in the last couple of years (in my opinion).

Barkley has to agree to any move. The club can't force him out if his intentions are to see the remaining twelve months of his contract through. If an offer comes along acceptable to him he might take it but he doesn't have to if it's not the move he wants.

Koemans making out there's a deadline now or Barkleys gone and that's not the case. The club might be open to offers from others but the player might not be. No point putting some arbitrary deadline on this because it's not enforceable.


I haven't seen the quote directly, but I took it more as 'either sign a new contract....or be transfer listed and play in the U23s until you're sold or your contract runs down'

We've already seen that he's not afraid to do that.

Either way, if Ross doesn't sign a contract in the next week then I think that's the last we will ever see of him in an Everton shirt.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: arteta4spain on May 11, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
Money has always dictated football.

I'd rather this had have been sorted in normal fashion and Barkley had have signed a contract, but it's not been and the club have let this slide for whatever reason. It'll be the clubs fault if they lose out on any money.
Is it though? He's already been offered a contract and he's not signed it. So either we're undervaluing Ross or he thinks he deserves more. Or he wants what we can't offer; champions league. But this is a two way street. If he wants champions league then he needs to be putting in champions league performances. I'm sorry  it if that's the case he acting like a spoilt brat.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Waltzer on May 11, 2017, 08:34:08 PM
He'd probably do well at a club like Southampton, maybe even West Ham or Newcastle, get some proper game time, he might even then go on to better things, sometimes players just don't suit certain clubs, and I can't see Barkley improving here, he's stagnated in the last couple of years (in my opinion).


I haven't seen the quote directly, but I took it more as 'either sign a new contract....or be transfer listed and play in the U23s until you're sold or your contract runs down'

We've already seen that he's not afraid to do that.

If our recruitment plans are to be believed  I dont see how he gets much game time for us next season. If the manager doesnt trust you enough to play against Swansea I think that says a lot and that'll probably be in his mind too
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 08:34:12 PM
Barkley has to agree to any move. The club can't force him out if his intentions are to see the remaining twelve months of his contract through. If an offer comes along acceptable to him he might take it but he doesn't have to if it's not the move he wants.

Koemans making out there's a deadline now or Barkleys gone and that's not the case. The club might be open to offers from others but the player might not be. No point putting some arbitrary deadline on this because it's not enforceable.



It's looking like a bit of a battle of wills this one. He'll probably be on the bench for most of the season if he doesn't sign. It's a real big shame it's all come to this. No matter how much I love Everton, if I were Barkley I'd be gone. Fans expect him to reach the levels Martinez labeled him with.
Who knows, if he's going to reach anywhere near that level. As I mentioned earlier, if he does leave "a barnstormer for whoever he signs for, will be met with carnage on here," along with the rest of the Everton sites.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on May 11, 2017, 08:36:34 PM
There is of course a chance that we know he's going and therefore we're setting it out that it's him and not us that's making that decision.

We obviously can't drive him to the market and tout him around like a prized sheep.

It'll be more that we don't want it to appear that he might think that he can take until mid August seeing how the land lies. That's why he also mentioned looking at attacking players.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 08:38:52 PM
It's a real tough one this.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 11, 2017, 08:40:15 PM
i love all this assumption....from "people in the know".....

it's the clubs fault.....

Barkleys wants more....

he'll spend more time next season on the bench...

he'll never get in the spurs team...

Koemans give him an ultimatum.....

hahaha.......it's more a case of they've held initial talks...they're not agreed yet.....there'll be more talks.....if Barkley doesn't give an answer on what's been offered...the offers off the table and they renegotiate......if they cant agree then we're not scared to let him go....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 08:42:56 PM
i love all this assumption....from "people in the know".....

it's the clubs fault.....

Barkleys wants more....

he'll spend more time next season on the bench...

he'll never get in the spurs team...

Koemans give him an ultimatum.....

hahaha.......it's more a case of they've held initial talks...they're not agreed yet.....there'll be more talks.....if Barkley doesn't give an answer on what's been offered...the offers off the table and they renegotiate......if they cant agree then we're not scared to let him go....



I haven't assumed anything.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 11, 2017, 08:45:49 PM
re read the thread everyone has assumed something...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 08:48:36 PM
re read the thread everyone has assumed something...



Not if you add the word "if"in the sentence.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on May 11, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
re read the thread everyone has assumed something...

That's just your assumption. :)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 08:51:02 PM
That's just your assumption. :)



Haha. Leave him alone.  :)


If he's a male of course. ;)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on May 11, 2017, 08:58:12 PM
He will sign
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on May 11, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Haha. Leave him alone.  :)

I was only messing, I otherwise agree with @formerKHL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6061), we're all just groping in the dark, making up hypothetical scenarios and thought experiments but with no real way to test any of it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 09:05:39 PM
I was only messing, I otherwise agree with @formerKHL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6061), we're all just groping in the dark, making up hypothetical scenarios and thought experiments but with no real way to test any of it.



I think that's why Kipling used the word If. Yeah we know he makes exceedingly good cakes. :)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: mikey_blue on May 11, 2017, 09:13:01 PM
I've never wanted a player to succeed more than I have with Ross and as much as I love him, losing Ross won't be like losing Rom. Ross is replaceable, and there are plenty of players that will fit Koeman's philosophy.

Ross' physical attributes make him a bit of a unicorn for his position, but his mindset is weak. He doesn't have that tenacity or drive that you can see in someone like Davies or Coleman. He may or may not reach a higher level at another club, but from what we've seen, he only shows glimpses of brilliance and I don't think he has the mental strength to push to that next level.

I'll support him in whatever he chooses. Be it staying here or going to Spurs, but he really does need to get his head checked if he thinks he's going to be giving Dele or Eriksen a run for their positions.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 11, 2017, 09:15:16 PM
I was only messing, I otherwise agree with @formerKHL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6061), we're all just groping in the dark, making up hypothetical scenarios and thought experiments but with no real way to test any of it.

because every other thread is overflowing with factual information
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 11, 2017, 09:17:26 PM
Barkley has to agree to any move. The club can't force him out if his intentions are to see the remaining twelve months of his contract through. If an offer comes along acceptable to him he might take it but he doesn't have to if it's not the move he wants.

Koemans making out there's a deadline now or Barkleys gone and that's not the case. The club might be open to offers from others but the player might not be. No point putting some arbitrary deadline on this because it's not enforceable.

Be a bit odd if he's not open to offers or wanting a new contract.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 11, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
Money has always dictated football.

I'd rather this had have been sorted in normal fashion and Barkley had have signed a contract, but it's not been and the club have let this slide for whatever reason. It'll be the clubs fault if they lose out on any money.

Probably cos he got a pay rise that he never justified and now wants another on the back of 6 months of good (not great) form. At some stage he's got to justify what he's asking for. Players have a value. Maybe we just don't think his value is what him and his agent thinks it is
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Major Clanger on May 11, 2017, 09:21:49 PM
because every other thread is overflowing with factual information

So it's fine then?

It's not the hypotheses that are frustrating, it's the complete lack of testability.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 11, 2017, 09:22:08 PM
i love all this assumption....from "people in the know".....

it's the clubs fault.....

Barkleys wants more....

he'll spend more time next season on the bench...

he'll never get in the spurs team...

Koemans give him an ultimatum.....

hahaha.......it's more a case of they've held initial talks...they're not agreed yet.....there'll be more talks.....if Barkley doesn't give an answer on what's been offered...the offers off the table and they renegotiate......if they cant agree then we're not scared to let him go....

Did you end there with your own assumptions?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 11, 2017, 09:23:19 PM


Haha. Leave him alone.  :)


If he's a male of course. ;)

hahaha oh i'm deffo a male.....mind you 2" shorter and they'dve called me mary !!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 11, 2017, 09:30:35 PM
Did you end there with your own assumptions?


no based on some actual experiences of how these things tend to happen...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: bacon sarnie on May 11, 2017, 09:31:55 PM
It's a real tough one this.

Tough, but the club/manager has to be matey. Get rid of the deadwood & those who don't want to play for Everton and bring in those who do.
Took me a while to get over Catterick selling Ball but what the fuck its only football and the pubs are open.....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 09:34:31 PM
Tough, but the club/manager has to be matey. Get rid of the deadwood & those who don't want to play for Everton and bring in those who do.
Took me a while to get over Catterick selling Ball but what the fuck its only football and the pubs are open.....



Hahaha. Catterick selling Bally. I was in tears. :'( Can I use the term 'big girls blouse'?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 11, 2017, 09:36:24 PM


Hahaha. Catterick selling Bally. I was in tears. :'( Can I use the term big girls blouse?


err...(cough) I cried for a week...and wouldn't eat me tea..
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: bacon sarnie on May 11, 2017, 09:38:01 PM


Hahaha. Catterick selling Bally. I was in tears. :'( Can I use the term big girls blouse?

Anytime la, especially when discussing, Tommy Smith, Jimmy Case. Emlyn Hughes, Graeme Souness and Kevin fucking Keegan.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 09:39:20 PM

err...(cough) I cried for a week...and wouldn't eat me tea..




I hid under the blankets. I wouldn't mind, but I was 13 or 14 at the time. :)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 11, 2017, 09:41:10 PM
I will be crying when he goes to Spurs - sobbing in fact.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 11, 2017, 09:54:22 PM
We must have some top class player lined up to replace Barkley. If not it's a shit game of bluff we're playing.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Robioto on May 11, 2017, 10:06:51 PM

no based on some actual experiences of how these things tend to happen...

So you are assuming...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 11, 2017, 10:17:29 PM
We must have some top class player lined up to replace Barkley. If not it's a shit game of bluff we're playing.

We're not playing a game of bluff. Sign the contract or leave. It's actually quite straightforward. I fail to see how it could be any more black and white.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 11, 2017, 10:18:39 PM
We're not playing a game of bluff. Sign the contract or leave. It's actually quite straightforward. I fail to see how it could be any more black and white.

<sighs>
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: School of Science on May 11, 2017, 10:20:10 PM
We're not playing a game of bluff. Sign the contract or leave. It's actually quite straightforward. I fail to see how it could be any more black and white.

So you wouldn't want a replacement lined up ? I know I would.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: everton1952 on May 11, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
Don't mess us about any longer. Sign or leave by the deadline given so we can move on. 
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Everton Mint on May 11, 2017, 10:25:45 PM
He would have to be insane to not sign... he'll never be at a better club for him to achieve.

Leave and he'll be another Jack Rodwell...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 11, 2017, 10:26:21 PM
So you wouldn't want a replacement lined up ? I know I would.

We can't let someone decide to run their contract down.

Could we find someone who could replace his 5 goals a season with c£30m? Possibly yes. Which I imagine is what Koeman is thinking.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: School of Science on May 11, 2017, 10:42:26 PM
We can't let someone decide to run their contract down.

Could we find someone who could replace his 5 goals a season with c£30m? Possibly yes. Which I imagine is what Koeman is thinking.

Hope your right, but to be fair there has been a lot more to Barkley's  game this season than the 5 goals your suggesting. He is the one real inventive player we have playing for us at this time, his assist ratio is up there with the best in the league. Also his workrate has improved drastically this season. Yes he should score more than 5 goals a season, but doesn't that make him our second or third top scorer ?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 11, 2017, 10:51:13 PM
Sigurddson alone wouldn't be enough...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 11, 2017, 10:57:30 PM
re read the thread everyone has assumed something...

Are you assuming that people are asusiming things?
That's some assumption.

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: trueevertonianpaul on May 11, 2017, 11:06:27 PM
Sometimes I question barkleys head. He needs to be scoring goals like alli and not give the ball away. He's not a rooney. He won't get in spurs, man city, man utd or Chelsea first 11. Next season will be lucky to get into our first 11. So sign the contract and work on your skill because everton is the best team your going to play for at the mo.
Mirallas at times has been shocking and will struggle next season but he was offered and signed quick because he know it ain't going to get better for him. He's not daft,  even thou I had to think twice with his flamboyant suit lol.
Barkley u would be stupid not to sign.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 11, 2017, 11:08:07 PM
I can't believe he's got the nerve to try to get the best deal for himself. I'd play for us for free, in fact I'd pay the club to let me play for them. He's an absolute disgrace, doing what every other footballer with representation in the world does. Lynch the fucker.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Tinga on May 11, 2017, 11:08:38 PM
I like Ross but he should be grateful we've stuck with him through his many poor performances. It's not like he isn't replaceable like Lukaku.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Fynci on May 11, 2017, 11:30:50 PM
Did nobody see his celebration for his last goal? He's signing.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 11, 2017, 11:37:40 PM
Did nobody see his celebration for his last goal? He's signing.



I thought that when I saw it. I sincerely hope you're right. He's got a huge amount to offer the new Everton
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GoodisonPk on May 11, 2017, 11:52:54 PM
Im glad Koeman has come out with this. Sign it or go. In fact I'd rather he go. He can't be leading our charge now. He will keep us back. We need a class attacking mid and he isn't it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 12, 2017, 12:24:35 AM
Im glad Koeman has come out with this. Sign it or go. In fact I'd rather he go. He can't be leading our charge now. He will keep us back. We need a class attacking mid and he isn't it.



Ross will be competing for his place on a more regular basis if we sign a real good play maker. He needs someone around like that to get his ideas sharpened up. If he stays, the competition will do him the world of good. :)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 12, 2017, 12:33:31 AM
As said already,  he doesn't get near the starting XI of any teams above us.

Makes no sense for him not to sign unless we're offering a pittance  (which I highly doubt).
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on May 12, 2017, 12:42:20 AM
I can't believe he's got the nerve to try to get the best deal for himself. I'd play for us for free, in fact I'd pay the club to let me play for them. He's an absolute disgrace, doing what every other footballer with representation in the world does. Lynch the fucker.

Yeah, lets burns some Barkley shirts, who's with me
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Sir Stealth on May 12, 2017, 12:51:23 AM
I think he will sign

Cant picture him anywhere else at all!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 12, 2017, 12:58:21 AM
I hope he signs personally but I've said it before, he isn't really an intelligent player... he's got skills but not the brain to make the most of them. He needs competition to make him focus and up his game more consistently.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 01:06:53 AM
I can't believe he's got the nerve to try to get the best deal for himself. I'd play for us for free, in fact I'd pay the club to let me play for them. He's an absolute disgrace, doing what every other footballer with representation in the world does. Lynch the fucker.

We're approaching the last 12 months of his contact though, in fact we're entering the last 7 days of the deadline.
If he's doing this solely to get the best deal for himself then he's sailing pretty close to the wind.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueForYou on May 12, 2017, 01:09:10 AM
Who else is he going to get the best deal for?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 12, 2017, 01:11:00 AM
I've been preaching for years, it has nothing to do with being unintelligent - rather, he thinks too much rather than letting his instincts take over.

But it amazes me that we seemingly still have more Blues convinced that 29-year old Kevin Mirallas will turn into something special (let alone the over-the-hill "He Who Must Not Be Named" fixation) than Ross Barkley.

Absolutely blows my fucking mind.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: blue slug on May 12, 2017, 01:13:37 AM
Glad koemans come out with the date at least we won't be worrying all summer if he's signing or not. This thread would be at 200 pages by July
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 01:22:09 AM
Who else is he going to get the best deal for?

Err..... he might not want to sign any deal with us?? He might already have his head elsewhere.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 12, 2017, 01:36:30 AM
I can't believe he's got the nerve to try to get the best deal for himself. I'd play for us for free, in fact I'd pay the club to let me play for them. He's an absolute disgrace, doing what every other footballer with representation in the world does. Lynch the fucker.

Your view would be very different if you were a professional footballer. Every footballer wants to play at the highest level and can get the most money possible. Your entire mindset would change. It's not that you wouldn't give a shit about your boyhood club you dreamed of playing for. It would be about looking after yourself and financially secured for life.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 12, 2017, 01:37:00 AM
Your view would be very different if you were a professional footballer. Every footballer wants to play at the highest level and can get the most money possible. Your entire mindset would change. It's not that you wouldn't give a shit about your boyhood club you play. It would be about looking after yourself and financially secured for life.

I think he is being scarcy...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 12, 2017, 01:39:06 AM
Your view would be very different if you were a professional footballer. Every footballer wants to play at the highest level and can get the most money possible. Your entire mindset would change. It's not that you wouldn't give a shit about your boyhood club you dreamed of playing for. It would be about looking after yourself and financially secured for life.

Maybe but I can't see him struggling on 5.2m per year mate.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 12, 2017, 01:40:06 AM
 :headbang:
I think he is being scarcy...

Ahhhh...shoulda known better to read between the lines
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 12, 2017, 01:45:29 AM
Maybe but I can't see him struggling on 5.2m per year mate.

Its greed. All footballers want more and they're all competitive in the environment and world in which they live in.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueForYou on May 12, 2017, 01:59:05 AM
Ross Barkley is out for the best deal for Ross Barkley

If the best deal is from another club, he'll move
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Tinga on May 12, 2017, 02:06:21 AM
The best deal might be less game time and a fat cheque. There's no way he's getting in that Spurs team, so where else is he going to go?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Robioto on May 12, 2017, 02:12:44 AM
He'll sign next week.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 02:22:52 AM
I think he will end up signing. I'm sure what's on the table will incorporate a decent payrise, maybe not as much as him or his advisors would like but pretty decent even by Premiership standards.
He plays well, improves, delivers more productivity next season and it then gets renegotiated to reflect his growing status. Everything is in his hands here. The only caveat is if he doesn't think Koeman rates him, which may be behind his decision to wait for other options.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Gumpinio on May 12, 2017, 02:40:00 AM
The best deal might be less game time and a fat cheque. There's no way he's getting in that Spurs team, so where else is he going to go?

In my minds eye I can only see him at West Ham or across the park.....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueForYou on May 12, 2017, 02:42:18 AM
If not Spurs, quite a few options for Ross, I should think

Arsenal, Utd, City, Chelsea...................... ..(Newcastle)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Confucius on May 12, 2017, 02:43:32 AM
I think he will score at Arsenal, run to someone on the sidelines. Sign the contract and throw it at Koeman as part of the celebration.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on May 12, 2017, 02:43:35 AM
I would have been happy for him to sign an extension earlier but even if he does sign now, you're still going to get the feeling that he signed it with reluctance, and that's not good for anyone.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 02:49:33 AM
If he does officially get put up for sale next week I could well imagine City, Spurs and Arsenal all being interested.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: chang on May 12, 2017, 03:04:43 AM
I don't like to see any player leave the club, but take away the "been here since a boy" "Everton fan" - as a footballer he is replaceable.

I have a feeling that our manager doesn't see Ross as good enough / part of his  Everton - in the world of pro footy there is no room for sentiment.

Of course every Evertonian wants to see a successful Barkley bossing it for us, but he has been around the 1st team now for a long time, long enough for minds to be made up.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: D15TIN on May 12, 2017, 03:25:40 AM
I don't like to see any player leave the club, but take away the "been here since a boy" "Everton fan" - as a footballer he is replaceable.

I have a feeling that our manager doesn't see Ross as good enough / part of his  Everton - in the world of pro footy there is no room for sentiment.

Of course every Evertonian wants to see a successful Barkley bossing it for us, but he has been around the 1st team now for a long time, long enough for minds to be made up.
Definitely replaceable, plenty better number 10s/creative players around, would love a Mata/Silva type behind Lukaku, proper quality through balls etc at the right times, not holding the ball needlessly for that extra second or two which barkley does only too often
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Shogun on May 12, 2017, 03:34:41 AM
Very replaceable yet will go to a better team than us if he leaves.

Work that one out.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on May 12, 2017, 03:36:24 AM
Very replaceable yet will go to a better team than us if he leaves.

Work that one out.

Answer = subs bench
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Shogun on May 12, 2017, 03:38:26 AM
Answer = subs bench

Bet he isn't.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on May 12, 2017, 03:42:32 AM
Bet he isn't.

Well let's see.  I know I've played my part but there's probably too much bickering about this.  It is an interesting situation though I suppose.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 12, 2017, 03:43:47 AM
Bet he isn't.

I want him to stay but who is he getting in front of in any of the sides above us?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Shogun on May 12, 2017, 03:51:30 AM
I want him to stay but who is he getting in front of in any of the sides above us?

Fellaini
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 04:00:07 AM
I know we like to laugh at Newcastle. But they have the money and the fanbase to stay up and return to the top 10. Likely they will replace West Ham and Southampton as the team we plan on fending off.

Barkley to Newcastle isn't a terrible shout.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on May 12, 2017, 04:01:52 AM
I know we like to laugh at Newcastle. But they have the money and the fanbase to stay up and return to the top 10. Likely they will replace West Ham and Southampton as the team we plan on fending off.

Barkley to Newcastle isn't a terrible shout.

It is.

Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 04:04:47 AM
It is.



They've been attracting players well above what you would consder reasonable for decades
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Silas on May 12, 2017, 04:04:49 AM
If Ross Barkley goes from Everton to Newcastle then I will drink my own piss for a week
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Shogun on May 12, 2017, 04:06:10 AM
I know we like to laugh at Newcastle. But they have the money and the fanbase to stay up and return to the top 10. Likely they will replace West Ham and Southampton as the team we plan on fending off.

Barkley to Newcastle isn't a terrible shout.

Newcastle barely won the championship despite outspending the entire division (by some distance) and supposedly having a great manager.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 12, 2017, 04:07:11 AM
I know we like to laugh at Newcastle. But they have the money and the fanbase to stay up and return to the top 10. Likely they will replace West Ham and Southampton as the team we plan on fending off.

Barkley to Newcastle isn't a terrible shout.

good one....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 04:10:13 AM
The fuckers signed Patrick Kluivert and broke my heart.

Expect them to be waiving massive wages under the noses of the likes of Barkley.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Toddacelli on May 12, 2017, 04:11:02 AM
I know we like to laugh at Newcastle. But they have the money and the fanbase to stay up and return to the top 10. Likely they will replace West Ham and Southampton as the team we plan on fending off.

Barkley to Newcastle isn't a terrible shout.

You're right. It isn't.

What's worse than 'terrible'?     
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 04:11:45 AM
haha. OK, seems like i'm out of touch with the times on this one.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: GLewis on May 12, 2017, 04:12:54 AM
The fuckers signed Patrick Kluivert and broke my heart.

Expect them to be waiving massive wages under the noses of the likes of Barkley.

That was over 10 years ago!
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Toddacelli on May 12, 2017, 04:19:48 AM
I know we like to laugh at Newcastle. But they have the money and the fanbase to stay up and return to the top 10. Likely they will replace West Ham and Southampton as the team we plan on fending off.

Barkley to Newcastle isn't a terrible shout.

I agree with the first statement to some extent, but Barkley to Newcastle can only be viewed as a backwards move in almost any way (except for financially, if they offer him loads more than we do).

I know what your line of thinking is, but the fact is at the moment that Newcastle are a 'newly-promoted yo-yo side who have won next to fuck-all their entire history'. If Barkley is to leave us at this age and stage of his career, it would have to be for CL football, or a realistic shot at the title, or something we couldn't provide him at this stage.

I don;t know how we'll do next season but I'd really like to think we'll have more to offer than Newcastle, same as the Oldcastle - going back down again in 3-6 years.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on May 12, 2017, 04:39:34 AM
There is no reason on earth why Barkley would leave us to go to Newcastle, he wants champions league quality teams, not championship
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: van der Meyde on May 12, 2017, 05:40:29 AM
How much do you all think we'd get for him given he's in the final year of his contract?

The market's mad but even £15m would probably be pushing it, I reckon.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 12, 2017, 06:21:16 AM
25-30
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Shogun on May 12, 2017, 08:16:41 AM
How much do you all think we'd get for him given he's in the final year of his contract?

The market's mad but even £15m would probably be pushing it, I reckon.

This is where Koeman hasn't learned his lesson from the Niasse saga.

If you tell the whole world "Sign or be sold" then you're not going to get best value for him when clubs already know your intent.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: blueToffee on May 12, 2017, 10:41:38 AM
This is where Koeman hasn't learned his lesson from the Niasse saga.

If you tell the whole world "Sign or be sold" then you're not going to get best value for him when clubs already know your intent.

Unlike Moyes' time when finances were an integral part of the role, Koeman's job isn't to worry about the price. He's just trying to build a squad.

I don't particularly get the impression he cares too strongly either way, although it seems like he'd lean toward selling given his statements and contrasting those with how he talks about Lukaku. Or maybe he is just good at bluffing...if so he just went all in on that.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Jamokachi on May 12, 2017, 10:45:58 AM
I'm bored of this now, which means I have an apathy toward Ross. Shame.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: van der Meyde on May 12, 2017, 12:16:05 PM
Unlike Moyes' time when finances were an integral part of the role, Koeman's job isn't to worry about the price. He's just trying to build a squad.
You generally don't build a better squad by selling your better players though.

And given that Koeman's said a few times that we'd need to sell him because we're a business and can't afford to let players leave for free, he should be interested in maintaining player value, yes.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 01:03:30 PM
If Ross Barkley goes from Everton to Newcastle then I will drink my own piss for a week
Supposed to be good for you that.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Hawkandro on May 12, 2017, 02:34:47 PM
City will be interested purely to make up the numbers of home-grown players, a la Delph.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 12, 2017, 03:00:18 PM
I think he'd get loads of games for Spurs. People rave about their team now but if you look at a lot of them when they signed they weren't perceived as anything special, but working with Pochettino has elevated them. Wanyama was dismissed as just a big lump by many, Alli was just a promising League 1 player, Dembele had skill but wasn't pulling any trees up pre-Poch, Son had a poor first season, Alderweireld was an Atletico reject. Barkley's form this season is as good or better than pretty much all of them before Poch got his hands on them. He'd flourish massively under a manager like that.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 12, 2017, 03:16:06 PM
I think he'd get loads of games for Spurs. People rave about their team now but if you look at a lot of them when they signed they weren't perceived as anything special, but working with Pochettino has elevated them. Wanyama was dismissed as just a big lump by many, Alli was just a promising League 1 player, Dembele had skill but wasn't pulling any trees up pre-Poch, Son had a poor first season, Alderweireld was an Atletico reject. Barkley's form this season is as good or better than pretty much all of them before Poch got his hands on them. He'd flourish massively under a manager like that.

and Sissoko had a great Euros.... can't see Barkley starting too many games, he'd be there as cover for their first choice starting XI
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ramjam on May 12, 2017, 03:16:09 PM
I think he'd get loads of games for Spurs. People rave about their team now but if you look at a lot of them when they signed they weren't perceived as anything special, but working with Pochettino has elevated them. Wanyama was dismissed as just a big lump by many, Alli was just a promising League 1 player, Dembele had skill but wasn't pulling any trees up pre-Poch, Son had a poor first season, Alderweireld was an Atletico reject. Barkley's form this season is as good or better than pretty much all of them before Poch got his hands on them. He'd flourish massively under a manager like that.

And still they have won fuck all, Always the bridesmaids and always will be
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 12, 2017, 03:21:08 PM
And still they have won fuck all, Always the bridesmaids and always will be

True, and they do need to overcome that to take their club to the next level, but let's be honest, putting allegiances aside, they've been fucking impressive as a side for the last two seasons. He's an exceptional coach in terms of working with players and improving them massively. Their net spend is relatively low and they don't pay massive wages. Player development is their USP.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
Spurs are at least three years ahead of where we are, which is an appealing prospect when you're 23 and approaching your peak years.

Having said that the top 6 is so tight they could easily finish 6th next year so it's a tough call, but compared to where we are they have a much higher chance of success than us. Plus he'd be guaranteed his England place in the squad.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ramjam on May 12, 2017, 03:30:37 PM
Agreed but I think their squad will start to be pulled apart as the promise of higher wages and teams with a trophy winning mentality come calling, it's already started with Man U ready to swoop for Walker and Erickson, Anderwelt also expected to leave. Spurs might just have already peaked and have nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 12, 2017, 03:34:21 PM
Agreed but I think their squad will start to be pulled apart as the promise of higher wages and teams with a trophy winning mentality come calling, it's already started with Man U ready to swoop for Walker and Erickson, Anderwelt also expected to leave. Spurs might just have already peaked and have nothing to show for it.

Time will tell, I suppose. Walker's played well but I don't think they'd be too arsed about selling him and would be confident they could get someone better in that position. Eriksen and Alderweireld would obviously be more serious concerns, but the Spurs fans I know are much more concerned about keeping the manager for a few years, than worrying about any individual player. Wembley could hurt them next year. That's probably their biggest challenge in the near future.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Alanvideo on May 12, 2017, 03:35:19 PM
True, and they do need to overcome that to take their club to the next level, but let's be honest, putting allegiances aside, they've been fucking impressive as a side for the last two seasons. He's an exceptional coach in terms of working with players and improving them massively. Their net spend is relatively low and they don't pay massive wages. Player development is their USP.
.............all that is true but they might have a difficult season ahead of them when they move to Wembley. Sky are going to miss bigging up the atmosphere at 'the lane '.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on May 12, 2017, 03:43:13 PM
Yeah poch would turn barkley into a monster I think, I'm hoping we can convince him the blues are on the up but realistically I don't see champions league in our immediate future unless 2/3 clubs suffer serious meltdowns.

Moshiri came a bit too late I think. Had he arrived when Liverpool were struggling under Rodgers, maybe the year Chelsea faltered, united' transition...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
I can see why Barkley is deliberating. It's be a lot easier for him if he still had a few more years left as the decision would be out of his hands and he'd just have to concentrate on knuckling down and improving here.

Whatever decision he makes will be a 'what if' sliding doors type moment. He just appears to be a hesitant, quite fragile character both on and off he pitch.  In my opinion.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Bluedylan on May 12, 2017, 03:51:30 PM
Yeah poch would turn barkley into a monster I think, I'm hoping we can convince him the blues are on the up but realistically I don't see champions league in our immediate future unless 2/3 clubs suffer serious meltdowns.

Moshiri came a bit too late I think. Had he arrived when Liverpool were struggling under Rodgers, maybe the year Chelsea faltered, united' transition...

Points taken, and everything you've said is completely logical and reasonable. You could put a different spin on things and say that there might be 7 teams near the top of the league, all taking points off each other every season, and any team that is able to properly rinse the other 13 teams below them would stand a good chance of making CL with sheer volume of points.

Although our away form has been disappointing, we've put away quite a lot of the dross this year. If we can do that again next year, and do it on the road as well, there might be opportunities for us.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on May 12, 2017, 03:52:28 PM
Dont get how he thinks he can hold the club to ransom like this.

Hasnt been good enough to justify claims he needs to be playing champions league football.

Also think Koeman is using all this as a smokescreen to sell him on and bring in a player more suited to his style
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ell Capitan on May 12, 2017, 03:54:03 PM
Has he actually said he wants CL football?

The truth is probably fairy straightforward. He is probably not getting offered a deal he thinks is good enough, and Koeman doesn't think he's worth much more. It's a bit of a stand off.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Macca77 on May 12, 2017, 03:56:11 PM
Has he actually said he wants CL football?



Koeman mentioned it a few weeks ago, said something along the lines of, "the boy wants Champions League, but so do we"
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 03:58:03 PM
He may simply have wanted to wait to make sure our transfer plans match his ambitions.
Which would be fair enough to be honest.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ell Capitan on May 12, 2017, 03:58:55 PM
Koeman mentioned it a few weeks ago, said something along the lines of, "the boy wants Champions League, but so do we"

Fair enough. Well, if that's true, honestly don't know what he's done to think he's too good for us. Lukaku, or even Mirallas a few years ago you could sort of understand. Not Barkley on the form he's shown in his career to date.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 12, 2017, 03:59:50 PM
No chance of him getting in that Spurs team. Ali, Dier, Eriksen, Dembele, Wanyama and now they're all raving over Winks.
Not a chance for Ross there.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Waltzer on May 12, 2017, 04:02:19 PM
Moshiri came a bit too late I think. Had he arrived when Liverpool were struggling under Rodgers, maybe the year Chelsea faltered, united' transition...

Our actual net spend was more the previous 2 seasons before Moshiri came in. If I was Rom or Ross this is what id be pointing out. All the talk of there is no limit to where we want to go is all paper talk so far.

2016/17 - 21,600,000
2015/16 - 27,700,000
2014/15 - 36,500,000

Appreciate hes still only been in just over a year but we need to start showing our ambition in the transfer market and not just talking about it, he has had 2 transfer windows to put a mark down.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: trueevertonianpaul on May 12, 2017, 04:10:35 PM
Thank God someone seen what I've seen. Moshiri hasn't proved anything in transfers so for. If we sell barkley and rom it will be at least 110 mill. Then we will spend 100 mill and moshiri will say look at the money I have put in the club. I hope this not the case this summer.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ramjam on May 12, 2017, 04:12:10 PM
Thank God someone seen what I've seen. Moshiri hasn't proved anything in transfers so for. If we sell barkley and rom it will be at least 110 mill. Then we will spend 100 mill and moshiri will say look at the money I have put in the club. I hope this not the case this summer.

Kenwright mk 2
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: trueevertonianpaul on May 12, 2017, 04:13:45 PM
Correct. Anybody can put up canvasses around the ground.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Hawkandro on May 12, 2017, 04:16:10 PM
Anyone can wipe £80m debt off the board in one swipe. Fraud.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 12, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
I posted a while back that the spending on players after sales is only 20 million plus, give or take. The fans will start to question the amount being spent on improving the squad, if it doesn't show a significant increase this summer.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 04:16:26 PM
I think net spend is pretty irrelevant to be honest. (Except when it comes to the books).

For years, if we sold a player, we wouldnt have seen all of it reinvested as a general rule of thumb.

If we sold Niasse and Cleverley for £20m and bought Klaassen for £20m our net spend may be zero but our team has improved dramatically.

And that's all that is important. "Are we stronger now than before the window". As long as money is released to allow that to happen then we are doing the right thing.

(And that isn;t even taking into account that someone paying £50m for John Stones comes nowhere near to equating to £50m in our bank account. For fuck sake, the £90m for Pogba takes into account £41m going to his agent)
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: pjk on May 12, 2017, 04:19:47 PM
I think net spend is pretty irrelevant to be honest. (Except when it comes to the books).

For years, if we sold a player, we wouldnt have seen all of it reinvested as a general rule of thumb.

If we sold Niasse and Cleverley for £20m and bought Klaassen for £20m our net spend may be zero but our team has improved dramatically.

And that's all that is important. "Are we stronger now than before the window". As long as money is released to allow that to happen then we are doing the right thing.

(And that isn;t even taking into account that someone paying £50m for John Stones comes nowhere near to equating to £50m in our bank account. For fuck sake, the £90m for Pogba takes into account £41m going to his agent)



I honestly think any footballer who's going to allow his agent that sort of cut from his transfer fee, has to be pretty stupid.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Escla on May 12, 2017, 04:23:25 PM
Thank God someone seen what I've seen. Moshiri hasn't proved anything in transfers so for. If we sell barkley and rom it will be at least 110 mill. Then we will spend 100 mill and moshiri will say look at the money I have put in the club. I hope this not the case this summer.

"AT LEAST 110 mil" ? How do you arrive at that number ? Max you will get for Barkley is 20 mil,
Lukaku maybe 70 mil max.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ross on May 12, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
Anyone can wipe £80m debt off the board in one swipe. Fraud.

The debt hasn't been wiped off its been transferred.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on May 12, 2017, 04:43:04 PM
Yeah, he's a fraud this fella

Forget about everything else he's done. He hasnt bowed down to sky and spent 200mil in a tranfer window ffs
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: ally2 on May 12, 2017, 04:50:36 PM
Saying you want champions league is the same as saying your teammates are shit. And in the same way it implies that you think your capable of playing at a higher level whereas your team mates aren't. That may be true but why would you say that?  It's a shit house thing to say, especially when you hardly stand out against them in hard games.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 12, 2017, 05:07:31 PM
The thing I find the most hardest to take re this thread is how quick we are to lamblast one of our players, not give him the benefit of the doubt, question his ability and generally slag him off......all without any knowledge of whats actually happening.....

jeez even Moshiri has took a slating in this thread....


it makes good reading and passes time on here....but patience is a virtue...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Cereal Killer on May 12, 2017, 05:09:38 PM
Yeah, he's a fraud this fella

Forget about everything else he's done. He hasnt bowed down to sky and spent 200mil in a tranfer window ffs

Hasn't bowed down to sky?!  :hmph: He seemingly texts Jim White everyday!!  lolol
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on May 12, 2017, 05:11:48 PM
The debt hasn't been wiped off its been transferred.

Interest free. He's not going to wipe it when that would mean giving the other shareholders 40m

Moshiri has been fantastic so far. Progressed the club on and off the field
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 12, 2017, 05:13:19 PM
Interest free. He's not going to wipe it when that would mean giving the other shareholders 40m

Moshiri has been fantastic so far. Progressed the club on and off the field

Exactly.....spot on...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: plumber on May 12, 2017, 05:25:56 PM
Exactly.....spot on...

Why are you using so many dots?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Ramjam on May 12, 2017, 05:33:54 PM
Why are you using so many dots?

Dot.....on.....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 12, 2017, 05:34:28 PM
don't know ....always do.....for some reason....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on May 12, 2017, 05:37:11 PM
"AT LEAST 110 mil" ? How do you arrive at that number ? Max you will get for Barkley is 20 mil,
Lukaku maybe 70 mil max.
In a transfer window where michael keane (also with 12 months left on his contract) is being linked with a host of clubs at around 25 mil I think you're well off the mark there tbh. I'd say 30 to 35 mil myself
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 05:37:41 PM
We've progressed to questioning Moshiri now??

I despair sometimes.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 12, 2017, 05:40:12 PM
We've progressed to questioning Moshiri now??

I despair sometimes.

regressed mate...terrible innit...
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Waltzer on May 12, 2017, 05:56:49 PM
We've progressed to questioning Moshiri now??

I despair sometimes.

Does it not warrant it? If you were a player in demand such as Ross or Rom would you really care that in potentially in 3/4/5 years time you might be in a new stadium, or that your new owner has wiped off debt? Or would you be concerned about challenging on the pitch and why after a year of being told we can buy anyone and that there are no limits to our recruitment why this hasnt happened? I think Moshiri is a breath of fresh air and our long term future looks good, however, players are only worried about the here and now and this is where we have undelivered which is probably why players arent committing?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: TheRam on May 12, 2017, 06:01:53 PM
Does it not warrant it? If you were a player in demand such as Ross or Rom would you really care that in potentially in 3/4/5 years time you might be in a new stadium, or that your new owner has wiped off debt? Or would you be concerned about challenging on the pitch and why after a year of being told we can buy anyone and that there are no limits to our recruitment why this hasnt happened? I think Moshiri is a breath of fresh air and our long term future looks good, however, players are only worried about the here and now and this is where we have undelivered which is probably why players arent committing?

I dont recall anyone from the club saying we can buy anyone and there are no limits to our recruitment?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Waltzer on May 12, 2017, 06:03:34 PM
I dont recall anyone from the club saying we can buy anyone and there are no limits to our recruitment?


Moshiri stressed the only way the club could compete in the "new Hollywood of football" which is England's north west was to improve commercial income but insisted in the meantime Koeman would get what he wanted to build the squad.

"We have no restrictions to spend," he told talkSPORT.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 12, 2017, 06:04:54 PM
I dont recall anyone from the club saying we can buy anyone and there are no limits to our recruitment?

This... PLUS..... I do remember the club saying it will be a  long term project/plan and the manager saying give me 3 transfer windows to have the team I want
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 06:05:18 PM
Does it not warrant it? If you were a player in demand such as Ross or Rom would you really care that in potentially in 3/4/5 years time you might be in a new stadium, or that your new owner has wiped off debt? Or would you be concerned about challenging on the pitch and why after a year of being told we can buy anyone and that there are no limits to our recruitment why this hasnt happened? I think Moshiri is a breath of fresh air and our long term future looks good, however, players are only worried about the here and now and this is where we have undelivered which is probably why players arent committing?
The worrying thing is you probably do genuinely believe what you have just written.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Waltzer on May 12, 2017, 06:07:38 PM
The worrying thing is you probably do genuinely believe what you have just written.

Which bits are inaccurate, thinking at what i wrote from a players perspective and not a fan?
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
Which bits are inaccurate, thinking at what i wrote from a players perspective and not a fan?

We haven't really under-delivered at all. We've been building gradually. We've had 1 and a half transfer windows to restructure the whole squad, in which time we've shipped out or are in the process of shipping out all the dead wood and replacing it with players who will progress us immediately.

This isn't some reality game of Football Manager. Rom's issues with us are mostly down to timing in his career, Ross's issues may be similar as well as a bit of insecurity.
To suggest they're thinking about moving on because they are unhappy with undelivered promises is inaccurate, in my opinion.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Mick 1995 on May 12, 2017, 06:16:46 PM
Which bits are inaccurate, thinking at what i wrote from a players perspective and not a fan?

From the players point of view we have just signed exactly who we wanted to sign in January.
Fair to say that the summer was a bit poor. But an entire new recruitment team always had the chance of running into teething problems.

Not one solitary thing has happened to suggest we do not have the financial might to buy whoever we want.
But you have to realise that Koeman wont want Neymar. Not because he doesn't rate him, but because there is no point wanting him because he wouldnt come.

External players not wanting to come is mutually exclusive to our board not financially backing the manager
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Waltzer on May 12, 2017, 06:26:34 PM
From the players point of view we have just signed exactly who we wanted to sign in January.
Fair to say that the summer was a bit poor. But an entire new recruitment team always had the chance of running into teething problems.

Not one solitary thing has happened to suggest we do not have the financial might to buy whoever we want.
But you have to realise that Koeman wont want Neymar. Not because he doesn't rate him, but because there is no point wanting him because he wouldnt come.

External players not wanting to come is mutually exclusive to our board not financially backing the manager

Fair points.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: brap2 on May 12, 2017, 08:58:24 PM
I do think this summer is a little bit of a make or break for mosh and Koeman in a lot of blue hearts.

Same for Ross it seems, although @TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) 's theory of Koeman greasing the exit chute actually sounds plausible.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 12, 2017, 09:58:16 PM
The thing I find the most hardest to take re this thread is how quick we are to lamblast one of our players, not give him the benefit of the doubt, question his ability and generally slag him off......all without any knowledge of whats actually happening.....

jeez even Moshiri has took a slating in this thread....


it makes good reading and passes time on here....but patience is a virtue...

I don't even want to know what 'lamblasting' is, you sicko! 😉
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: formerKHL on May 12, 2017, 11:56:52 PM
I don't even want to know what 'lamblasting' is, you sicko! 😉
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I wish I was as intellectual as you...
Well done you were the only one to spot the deliberate mistake....
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on July 26, 2017, 02:56:43 AM
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Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: MrWhite on July 27, 2017, 08:54:09 PM
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Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on August 09, 2017, 04:44:19 AM
I wonder.
Title: Re: [News]What is Ross Barkley for?
Post by: Coyb12 on August 12, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
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