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Title: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 22, 2011, 11:39:33 PM
Will be a tough one this as O'Neill is still in his honeymoon period. Hopefully Moyes comments about Drenthe being better at home than away doesn't mean he is benched, as he is the most important player in our side and our main attacking threat. Would like to see Magaye given an extended run in the side in colemans absence

                   Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines

Drenthe Fellaini Neville Magaye
                       Osman
                   Saha

This is what I expect but not what I would play myself. 1-1 Draw, Larsson for them, Drenthe for us
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 22, 2011, 11:50:34 PM
I can't see moyes playing 2 out and out wingers away from home so expect to see cahill in for Maggie
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2011, 12:17:22 AM
we've defended well, bendtner is shit.   0-0
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 23, 2011, 12:43:23 AM
1-0 to them
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 23, 2011, 01:03:14 AM
Close game i think, saying that even though they've had a change of manager Sunderland are still shite.

2-1 to us
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 23, 2011, 01:22:26 AM
1-0 defeat.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: blargins on December 23, 2011, 01:50:10 AM
1-1 at best. O'Neil always does well against us.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2011, 02:14:08 AM
1-1 at best. O'Neil always does well against us.

We normally draw against o neill sides dont we?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 23, 2011, 02:41:55 AM
We normally draw against o neill sides dont we?

I'm sure I remember hearing that our 3-1 FA Cup win in 2009 was O'Neill's first defeat as manager at goodison, could be wrong though
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 23, 2011, 03:26:21 AM
I'm sure I remember hearing that our 3-1 FA Cup win in 2009 was O'Neill's first defeat as manager at goodison, could be wrong though

You could be onto sommet there
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: the doc on December 23, 2011, 04:56:32 AM
I'm sure I remember hearing that our 3-1 FA Cup win in 2009 was O'Neill's first defeat as manager at goodison, could be wrong though
Will counter act our fantastic record against Sunderland so i'll go for a 1-1 draw!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 23, 2011, 05:00:02 AM
The only draw i can rember is the 3-3? at Villa Park when Lescott gave away a pen for kicking somone in the face
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2011, 05:05:39 AM
The only draw i can rember is the 3-3? at Villa Park when Lescott gave away a pen for kicking somone in the face
2-2 ? yobo scored to go 2 1 in 85th minute then they equalised instantly.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 23, 2011, 05:06:59 AM
2-2 ? yobo scored to go 2 1 in 85th minute then they equalised instantly.

No because i remember we were 2-0 up in like the first 15 minutes, and my Dad went....too soon Everton too Soon and he was right


EDIT: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/12/aston-villa-everton-premier-league (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/12/aston-villa-everton-premier-league)  Here it is Look at them sides there great match
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 23, 2011, 05:12:26 AM
No because i remember we were 2-0 up in like the first 15 minutes, and my Dad went....too soon Everton too Soon and he was right


EDIT: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/12/aston-villa-everton-premier-league (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/12/aston-villa-everton-premier-league)  Here it is Look at them sides there great match
i meant as well as that
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7356087.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7356087.stm)
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 23, 2011, 05:22:27 AM
i meant as well as that
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7356087.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7356087.stm)

Haha okay! My mistake  :love:
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: plumber on December 23, 2011, 03:42:51 PM
Everton – Aston Villa:

2006/07:         0-1, 1-1

2007/08:         0-2, 2-2

2008/09:         2-3, 3-3, 3-1 (FA cup)

2009/2010:     1-1, 2-2

2010/11:         0-1, 2-2

That FA cup game was the only time when Moyes beat O’Neill.

Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 24, 2011, 02:43:11 AM
Who was in charge when we beat them 4-1? That doesn't seem like that long ago to me
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on December 24, 2011, 02:45:55 AM
Who was in charge when we beat them 4-1? That doesn't seem like that long ago to me

David O'Leary I think.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 24, 2011, 02:59:15 AM
Eurgh too many seasons are merging into one for me now!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on December 24, 2011, 05:49:13 PM
Hopefully ossie remains in the ACM role instead of Cahill. Personally would play Cahill CM instead of Neville or hietinga there with Distin in at CB. As long as Cahill doesn't start ACM and drenthe starts I'll be happy.

Tough game though, I think 1-1.  Can't see us going there and winning in oneil's honeymoon period.

Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: minty on December 24, 2011, 11:23:38 PM
Hopefully ossie remains in the ACM role instead of Cahill. Personally would play Cahill CM instead of Neville or hietinga there with Distin in at CB. As long as Cahill doesn't start ACM and drenthe starts I'll be happy.

Tough game though, I think 1-1.  Can't see us going there and winning in oneil's honeymoon period.



we need someone to get on the end of crosses while saha is arsing around in midfield or out wide. If fellaini and cahill took turns doing that would be good.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on December 25, 2011, 05:31:35 AM
I really think while Rodwell is injured Cahill could be a serious shout for playing CM. Fellani will hold letting Cahill make unmarked late runs into the box. He's not creative and skillful to keep the possistion long term but works tirelessly and could do a job there when needed I feel.
He really shouldn't start any more games as striker/2nd striker/ACM ect it just doesn't work for many various reasons!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 25, 2011, 10:28:24 PM
Hopefully ossie remains in the ACM role instead of Cahill. Personally would play Cahill CM instead of Neville or hietinga there with Distin in at CB.

So you are dropping Heitinga for Distin why? Heitinga has been solid. If anyone should be dropped of the two it is Jags whose defending has been more suspect than Heitinga's.

Anyway Premier League's predictor had us winning 3-1, but personally I see a 1-1 or 2-1 win for us Blues.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/fifa-12-predicts-26-31-11.html (http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/fifa-12-predicts-26-31-11.html)
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: blackwatch78efc on December 26, 2011, 03:12:16 AM
everything gets me thinking o neill win win out again or that a drw is the best we can hope for, however i do also feel theres gonna be a game one day soon where we score 2 or 3 goals almost by accident. (basically everything will just go right for once).

heres hoping tomorrows the day.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 26, 2011, 03:41:48 AM
Fellaini not traveling apparently

Is Rodwell? Or is he still injured?  If not Neville Heitinga CM partnership will be a poor one
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: TheRam on December 26, 2011, 03:43:27 AM
Is Rodwell? Or is he still injured?  If not Neville Heitinga CM partnership will be a poor one

4-4-2

Sorry Ive obviously had to much to drink
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 26, 2011, 03:50:31 AM
Must be having a VERY merry christmas if you think 4-4-2 away from home is happening!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 26, 2011, 11:13:18 AM
I really think while Rodwell is injured Cahill could be a serious shout for playing CM. Fellani will hold letting Cahill make unmarked late runs into the box. He's not creative and skillful to keep the possistion long term but works tirelessly and could do a job there when needed I feel.
He really shouldn't start any more games as striker/2nd striker/ACM ect it just doesn't work for many various reasons!


All for this. I actually think he is a solid midfielder. He goes in hard to challenges and wins the ball in the air. At the very least he is more creative than Neville going forward.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
mcAleny confirmed on twitter he's out, back for west brom match though. wonder if vellios is back?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: BootleBlueBoy on December 26, 2011, 05:45:19 PM
mcAleny confirmed on twitter he's out, back for west brom match though. wonder if vellios is back?

he should be as he isnt injured, he has been dropped because his performance in training has dipped alittle
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on December 26, 2011, 06:54:52 PM
Fellaini not traveling apparently
...............Oh dear.....and according to SSN Cahill in line for a start ....depressing.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 07:02:22 PM
...............Oh dear.....and according to SSN Cahill in line for a start ....depressing.
2 hours before K.O?they know shit.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 26, 2011, 07:02:43 PM
We really are fucked if Felli and Jack both miss
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Scholar on December 26, 2011, 07:54:14 PM
Howard, Hibbert, Jags, Distin, Baines, Osman, Heitinga, Neville, Drenthe, Cahill, Saha
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: blargins on December 26, 2011, 07:59:18 PM
Glad I'll miss this one with that line up. Looks a very blunt line up. 2-0 Sunderland.

Injuries forced it?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 07:59:26 PM
Howard, Hibbert, Jags, Distin, Baines, Osman, Heitinga, Neville, Drenthe, Cahill, Saha


                 howard
hibbert    jags      distin     baines
            heitinga   neville
  drenthe                          osman
                    cahill 
                     saha


atrocious line up
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Fynci on December 26, 2011, 07:59:40 PM
Howard, Hibbert, Jags, Distin, Baines, Osman, Heitinga, Neville, Drenthe, Cahill, Saha


Is that confirmed, because I bet you're spot on there :(
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Amata on December 26, 2011, 08:00:21 PM
Subs: Mucha, Bily, Strac Faddy, Gueye, Barkley, Tolis

Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on December 26, 2011, 08:00:27 PM
home win
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 08:01:47 PM
Barkley on the bench with Bily... bet he's fucking well happy about that!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 08:02:22 PM
just saw. crock of shit. 4 nil sunderland
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 26, 2011, 08:02:25 PM
EFC: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Jags, Distin, Heitinga, Neville, Osman, Cahill, Saha. Subs: Mucha, Bily, Strac Faddy, Gueye, Barkley, Tolis. .. confirmed
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Dublin Toffee on December 26, 2011, 08:07:45 PM
We need Osman to have a blinder. Could be the difference
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Amata on December 26, 2011, 08:09:37 PM
EFC: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Jags, Distin, Heitinga, Neville, Osman, Cahill, Saha. Subs: Mucha, Bily, Strac Faddy, Gueye, Barkley, Tolis. .. confirmed

Confirmed we are starting with 10 men? Maybe a good ploy by Moyes ;-)
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 08:09:48 PM
Neville and Heitinga in midfield.hahahahahahahahha!! The circus continues!!!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on December 26, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
EFC: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Jags, Distin, Heitinga, Neville, Osman, Cahill, Saha. Subs: Mucha, Bily, Strac Faddy, Gueye, Barkley, Tolis. .. confirmed

Isn't that missing Drenthe?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Ad1989 on December 26, 2011, 08:11:00 PM
That is an awful line up. Drenthe and Ossie need to play out of their skin if we want to get anything from this game.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: blargins on December 26, 2011, 08:11:48 PM
Neville and Heitinga in midfield.hahahahahahahahha!! The circus continues!!!

Brings back memories of the fantastic Neville Carsley partnership with the exception that Heitinga is better than Carsley.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 08:13:13 PM
Brings back memories of the fantastic Neville Carsley partnership with the exception that Heitinga is better than Carsley.

Yeah keep believing and telling yourself that. Mackems will spank us today mark my words!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 08:13:26 PM
Maybe we can sell Man U a few defenders... since they're starting with 2 and we'll have 6 on the pitch!!!

Quote
Lindegaard; Valencia, Carrick, Evans, Evra; Park, Gibson, Giggs, Nani; Berbatov, Hernandez
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2011, 08:14:33 PM
Let's take Heitinga out of his best form by putting him in midfield, reward Ossie for a great performance last game by shoving him back on the wing and put huge amounts of pressure on Drenthe to win the game single-handlely.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 26, 2011, 08:15:41 PM
If I had the choice of starting with the 10 men that were listed without Drenthe or just Drenthe on his own I would go for the latter!that Neville Johnny centre mid is anti football!Johnny is so much better at centre half, would sooner have kept him there, bought Gueye or Barkley in and left Distin on the bench
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Polledreng on December 26, 2011, 08:23:38 PM
If I had the choice of starting with the 10 men that were listed without Drenthe or just Drenthe on his own I would go for the latter!that Neville Johnny centre mid is anti football!Johnny is so much better at centre half, would sooner have kept him there, bought Gueye or Barkley in and left Distin on the bench
  this
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Rhys on December 26, 2011, 08:24:12 PM
If I had the choice of starting with the 10 men that were listed without Drenthe or just Drenthe on his own I would go for the latter!that Neville Johnny centre mid is anti football!Johnny is so much better at centre half, would sooner have kept him there, bought Gueye or Barkley in and left Distin on the bench

The thing is, Sunderland with a lot of confidence, new manager and a crowd that will be right behind them will be a tough test. Not only with the way they play but also the way the crowd will get behind their team, after ours and after the ref. Players like Distin and Cahill will know how to deal with it far better than Barkley or Gueye. I think if we battle it our early on, quieten their crowd then that is our best chance.

Horrible looking line up but I guess Moyes feels the best to handle the situation and most reliable in terms of making it difficult for them. Plus Barkley and Gueye look knackered after playing 20 minutes so almost pointless starting them. And also Cahill has a great record against Sunderland, their fans always moan that he always scores against them so maybe he thinks, and more importantly Timmy may think, this will be the day the goal drought ends.

Not ideal but not much we can do given the lack of squad and injuries.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 26, 2011, 08:24:52 PM
Isn't that missing Drenthe?

yes  :blush:
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 08:25:15 PM
If I had the choice of starting with the 10 men that were listed without Drenthe or just Drenthe on his own I would go for the latter!that Neville Johnny centre mid is anti football!Johnny is so much better at centre half, would sooner have kept him there, bought Gueye or Barkley in and left Distin on the bench

Exactly. I don't know what Moyes issue is with Barkley and why he cannot give him a start, surely if Vellios is fit enough to take the bench then he should be able to start as well in place of Cahill.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 26, 2011, 08:26:41 PM
when we beat wolves 3-0 we had neville and heitinga both in midfield, so you never know!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: BootleBlueBoy on December 26, 2011, 08:27:15 PM
If I had the choice of starting with the 10 men that were listed without Drenthe or just Drenthe on his own I would go for the latter!that Neville Johnny centre mid is anti football!Johnny is so much better at centre half, would sooner have kept him there, bought Gueye or Barkley in and left Distin on the bench

thats the only change we could have made though, the squad is so thin because we havnt signed first team player in years. moyes is getting so much flack which should be directed at the board
Title: Re: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Bally on December 26, 2011, 08:27:19 PM
Will one of you lovely people that have my number please keep me updated as I am in work and will miss it all. Fucking gutted
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 08:28:33 PM
when we beat wolves 3-0 we had neville and heitinga both in midfield, so you never know!


And Bily scored a wonder goal!  Get him on Moyes!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 08:33:30 PM
when we beat wolves 3-0 we had neville and heitinga both in midfield, so you never know!

That was a poor Wolves side, not a Sunderland side who are on the up.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 26, 2011, 08:36:03 PM
That was a poor Wolves side, not a Sunderland side who are on the up.
a poor wolves side who did defeat Man Utd, hpw many that day would have complained about the lineup?
 

at the end of the day we are playing 2 defensive midfielders, if it had of been osman billy/barkley drenthe as the 3 behind Saha i think it would have been the ideal lineup, but he has favored Cahill, so hopefully he can get one and we win 1-0
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on December 26, 2011, 08:41:45 PM
I think we'll nick this with a late wonder goal from the Scottish Rooney . Pass the Buckfast ! :cheers:
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 26, 2011, 08:44:12 PM
Here's hoping that we use all the subs and not for injury or loading purposes.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: evertonjoe on December 26, 2011, 08:46:35 PM
In all honesty it's a very depressing line up with only Baines and Drenthe playing in positions where they've had any form or influence this season.

Would it have been too much to ask to at least see Gueye and Drenthe on the wings and Osman in his best postion in the centre?
Title: neville and johnny at cm
Post by: Frosty on December 26, 2011, 08:49:31 PM
we play well last week so lets totally change the team.  Moyes is baffling.  Why start with Cahill when it hasnt worked all year?.  Why play pip and johnny in the centre of midfield? 
Title: Probably my worst post
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 08:52:03 PM
we play well last week so lets totally change the team.  Moyes is baffling.  Why start with Cahill when it hasnt worked all year?.  Why play pip and johnny in the centre of midfield? 

It's Chriiiiiiiiiiistmasssssss
Title: Re: Probably my worst post
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 08:56:59 PM
It's Chriiiiiiiiiiistmasssssss
are you haaaanging up your stockings on the waaaall
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 26, 2011, 08:57:33 PM
thats the only change we could have made though, the squad is so thin because we havnt signed first team player in years. moyes is getting so much flack which should be directed at the board

correct ..we've also got 10 games in the next 5 weeks with a painfully thin squad , players out of form and players injured .. he has to juggle the pack as he sees fit ...
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
if we allow bendtner to score i'll kill myself
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bedfordtoffee on December 26, 2011, 08:59:19 PM
what is up with fellaini? why he not playing?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Rhys on December 26, 2011, 09:00:17 PM
what is up with fellaini? why he not playing?

Injured. Unknown if he is out for today only or longer.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 09:02:38 PM
Injured. Unknown if he is out for today only or longer.
unlike everton :whistle:
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 26, 2011, 09:03:23 PM
Holy shit.... never seen a stadium so quiet (except for that one yell just before the whistle)


Class work by every fan in that stadium.
Title: Re: neville and johnny at cm
Post by: the_vchip on December 26, 2011, 09:09:39 PM
we play well last week so lets totally change the team.  Moyes is baffling.  Why start with Cahill when it hasnt worked all year?.  Why play pip and johnny in the centre of midfield? 

Felli is injured as is Coleman so he had to make changes. I personally would have preferred something more attacking. Maybe we'll see McFadden or Barkley off the bench to try and open things up later on.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 09:11:50 PM
Wtf Saha?!?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 26, 2011, 09:16:10 PM
Bright start, playing well so far.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2011, 09:16:54 PM
Bright start, playing well so far.

Yeah a bit sloppy but decent

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 09:18:25 PM
Fuck off Saha!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 09:18:46 PM
saha pissing me off
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Fynci on December 26, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
Saha missing a sitter. Defensively Sunderland look dreadful.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Billyfozz on December 26, 2011, 09:19:16 PM
Didn't expect anything more from Saha there tbh.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: trendo on December 26, 2011, 09:19:30 PM
what a miss again.
noooo
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 26, 2011, 09:19:39 PM
Two free headers from two corners and we don't even hit the target.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Billyfozz on December 26, 2011, 09:21:47 PM
Well done Hibbert.
Title: Re: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2011, 09:22:21 PM
Excellent from hibbo

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on December 26, 2011, 09:25:20 PM
Bramble off  - thats a blow for us .
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 09:28:47 PM
Distin got fucking raped then!  Jesus Christ!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 26, 2011, 09:28:59 PM
Fucking. Hell.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
well done moyes. stellar line up. may as well go home now  :headbang:
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 26, 2011, 09:29:41 PM
well done moyes. stellar line up. may as well go home now  :headbang:

lol it was deflected u moron, and we have been the better team...
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 09:30:50 PM
Anyone of those optimists on here now thinks we'll still win??
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bedfordtoffee on December 26, 2011, 09:31:15 PM
Game over. Next?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Paul. on December 26, 2011, 09:31:49 PM
Cahill looks like a fuckin lost puppy out there.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 26, 2011, 09:32:05 PM
Deflected or not, they pretty much just walked through the centre of our defence there.

We're on top, missed a few chances and had a decision go against us and then we go one down to a deflected goal, it is almost getting boring now.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 09:32:12 PM
lol it was deflected u moron, and we have been the better team...
so? last time i checked a goals a goal. and we've had 1 shot on target, no creativity.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 26, 2011, 09:32:18 PM
well done moyes. stellar line up. may as well go home now  :headbang:

Same fucking thing everytime.. On top and then cant score, and then we get scored on..
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: pjk on December 26, 2011, 09:32:33 PM
David Moyes has to be joking the state of Sunderland. He needs to learn that you can't win a game without scoring.  :headbang:
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 26, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
well done moyes. stellar line up. may as well go home now  :headbang:

and people voted you most improved poster lol
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 09:34:20 PM
and people voted you most improved poster lol
can't we criticise now? theres no way those 11 players will win this match.
Title: Re: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2011, 09:35:46 PM
Watching Cahill is making me cry.  The poor fuck can't do anything right

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Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 09:35:58 PM
Drenthe on the right for the first time.   Get it to Royston!! 
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Gumpinio on December 26, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
I just can't see us scoring twice,
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 09:37:22 PM
I just can't see us scoring once

fixed
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 26, 2011, 09:37:50 PM
they are ahead of us in table how moyes isnt under pressure amazes me
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 26, 2011, 09:38:10 PM
can't we criticise now? theres no way those 11 players will win this match.

You were criticising him for a deflected goal.
Title: Re: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2011, 09:39:17 PM
It's a good job they have bendtner on.

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 09:39:43 PM
You were criticising him for a deflected goal.
i was criticising him because we're losing against a team thats played poor so far
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Gumpinio on December 26, 2011, 09:40:11 PM
fixed

Na, anyone can fluke a goal, a defelction, a mistake by the defence, or even Saha burying one.

That being said I can see us filling our boots against someone soon, but thats predicated on us taking the game to the oppostion and trying to win a a game, not us trying to sit back and sneak a 1-0.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 26, 2011, 09:41:32 PM
I'd quite like us to score at least once or we will get beat, therefore please take off either Neville or heitinga and bring on a more attacking option. 2 holding midfielders should be abandoned once you have gone a goal down
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 26, 2011, 09:42:22 PM
I'd quite like us to score at least once or we will get beat, therefore please take off either Neville or heitinga and bring on a more attacking option. 2 holding midfielders should be abandoned once you have gone a goal down
shouldnt even be used against a team such as sunderland
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: trendo on December 26, 2011, 09:43:21 PM
Smth wrong going on.
We need to score.
Today we must score at least 2.
Who? Who is our leader today.
I'm sad.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 09:43:46 PM
Saha looked like a cripple running after the ball then!  Didn't look fit at all! 
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 26, 2011, 09:43:52 PM
I'd quite like us to score at least once or we will get beat, therefore please take off either Neville or heitinga and bring on a more attacking option. 2 holding midfielders should be abandoned once you have gone a goal down

This line up should have been abandoned before the match. Hope we bring on subs at the half. I know it isn't Moyes's style but it needs to be done.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: sharpattack on December 26, 2011, 09:44:19 PM
We are clearly the better team
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 09:45:28 PM
Whether or not it was deflected, it was still a goal. How was Sessignon allowed to be able to get into that position to make the pass to Colback to shoot on goal is the question?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Fern on December 26, 2011, 09:46:25 PM
Anyone got a decent link? Can't see what you're commenting on :(
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: minty on December 26, 2011, 09:46:48 PM
off topic but blackburn 1-0 up  :)
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 09:47:06 PM
Honestly don't care when Drenthe loses the ball like that,  at least he's doing something and trying to attack defenders, something we haven't done in years. 

How was Bardsley allowed to run through the middle so easily then? 
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Billyfozz on December 26, 2011, 09:47:49 PM
Is Drenthe the Only one who didn't have a drink yesterday?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Tinga on December 26, 2011, 09:47:53 PM
Donovan can't come quick enough, hopefully we can loan or sign another striker in January to.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 26, 2011, 09:48:30 PM
Anyone got a decent link? Can't see what you're commenting on :(

Takes a few minutes to smooth out but this is working well for me:

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/99655/1/watch-sunderland-vs-everton-fc.html (http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/99655/1/watch-sunderland-vs-everton-fc.html)
Title: Re: neville and johnny at cm
Post by: minty on December 26, 2011, 09:48:52 PM
could've kept osman in center and played barkley or gueye out wide. Cnosidering how defensive Moyes has been at home unsurprising he's even more defensive away.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 26, 2011, 09:48:52 PM
boring depressing shite again
Title: Re: neville and johnny at cm
Post by: Gumpinio on December 26, 2011, 09:49:02 PM
He could've played Gueye on the left, Drenthe on the right and Osman in the middle with Pip, but thats far too adventurous for us.

I thought versus Norwich Gueye did well on the left, and Drenthe was fantastic on the right when he came on (and also when Coleman went off versus Swansea they both looked decent).
Title: Re: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2011, 09:49:07 PM
Anyone remember when Cahill.used to get on the end if those crosses?

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Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Billyfozz on December 26, 2011, 09:49:55 PM
Honestly don't care when Drenthe loses the ball like that,  at least he's doing something and trying to attack defenders, something we haven't done in years. 

How was Bardsley allowed to run through the middle so easily then? 

Hear hear...
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
wiziwig is good
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 26, 2011, 09:50:07 PM
Whether or not it was deflected, it was still a goal. How was Sessignon allowed to be able to get into that position to make the pass to Colback to shoot on goal is the question?
because he is a great player

if drenthe had of done that we would have all celebrated it as a piece of magic


not really sure how we go in one behind, but we do, a draw would be a decent enough result
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on December 26, 2011, 09:50:26 PM
the inability to put the ball in the net is costing us dearly
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Amata on December 26, 2011, 09:50:41 PM
Same old shi*e
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: jongre123 on December 26, 2011, 09:50:47 PM
Man U - 2 defenders - 2 up

Everton - 6 defenders - 1 down
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Gumpinio on December 26, 2011, 09:52:21 PM
Moyes likes trying to be hard to beat, but its not working so well.  We don't leak too many chances normally but it seems whoever we play against only need 1 shot to score 1 goal, and our hard-to-beat team don't serve up many clear cut chances, just cross after cross with 1, 2 or zero targets in the middle to aim at.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 09:52:41 PM
Anyone got a decent link? Can't see what you're commenting on :(
wiziwig m8
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: cantoffee on December 26, 2011, 09:53:55 PM
Same as our last few games, but lacking a bit more probably due to the loss of Fellaini and Rodwell, either one and we would be more on top than we already are.

That being said, it's a case of same old, same old. Neville off, bring on Gueye and move Osman to the middle or push Cahill back and Osman behind Saha.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: sharpattack on December 26, 2011, 09:54:06 PM
Man U - 2 defenders - 2 up

Everton - 6 defenders - 1 down
So that's it. 4 fewer defenders and we wouldnt concede.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Rhys on December 26, 2011, 09:55:19 PM
Man U - 2 defenders - 2 up

Everton - 6 defenders - 1 down

Man U probably have more than 11 outfield players to pick from.

We were the better team in that half. Timmy missed 2 half chances and Saha missed a good chance. Their best chance got a deflection and went in. Dont get me wrong we arent good, the front 2 look abysmal and there is nothing in the middle of midfield. But we can get a result and we could even win this game because they are awful. They dont look solid at the back and they have nothing in midfield, Sessegnon aside they dont look like doing anything.

If we start brightly and somehow manage to get a goal then of course we can win it. I always go back to it when people say we have lost this game..Liverpool had an awful team that managed to come from 3-0 down against the genuinely best team in Europe of the time. Being 1-0 down to this below average Sunderland is not impossible to overturn, I get it is hard to see how because of the lack of creativity in the team and lack of firepower up front, but sometimes a little belief in players and the team goes a long way when they are low on confidence as the likes of Cahill and Saha are.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Polledreng on December 26, 2011, 09:55:20 PM
We are clearly the better team
you are right
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 09:55:42 PM
2 goals in the last 4 league games. Fucking disgrace! A half decent ownership would have booted out Moyes long ago! The man no longer gives a shit about EFC.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Blueney-tunes on December 26, 2011, 09:56:15 PM
Cahill and Saha on the pitch = Time for Moyes to go..

Cant watch this trash anymore, Take your loved ones with you Davie.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 26, 2011, 09:58:51 PM
We look very vulnerable on the break, something that is very worrying considering the amount of defenders on the pitch.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 09:59:54 PM
                 howard
hibbert    jags     heitinga   baines
 drenthe   neville  osman gueye 
            strac/vellios  saha

which team would you prefer that out on the pitch or this.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 26, 2011, 10:02:03 PM
Cahill and Saha on the pitch = Time for Moyes to go..

Cant watch this trash anymore, Take your loved ones with you Davie.
agreed mate thought it some time money or not this is shite
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: sharpattack on December 26, 2011, 10:02:39 PM
2 goals in the last 4 league games. Fucking disgrace! A half decent ownership would have booted out Moyes long ago! The man no longer gives a shit about EFC.
Most witless and asinine comment of the year
Title: First half v Sunderland - dreadfull
Post by: Everton1878 on December 26, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
WTF is happening to Everton.

Its half time at the game and we are losing 1 nil.... I'm not sure what Moysey is doing but it looks like he is trying to please players by just giving them a game. Neville is trying to be a playmaker but is totally crap. Saha cant get the ball and when he does he is as bad as Cahill. Drenthe makes some good runs but then has a rest for 10 minutes between bursts....

Moysey wake up FFS and get those carthorses off the fkin pitch and inject something else (Not Faddy) We used to beat Sunderland 7 -0 for fun......

I'd rather be proved wrong and get a 2 - 1 win
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:03:13 PM
                 howard
hibbert    jags     heitinga   baines
 drenthe   neville  osman gueye 
            strac/vellios  saha

which team would you prefer that out on the pitch or this.
this team deffo mate
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:05:27 PM
shogun i mean your team lol
Title: Blocked!
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 10:07:05 PM
2 goals in the last 4 league games. Fucking disgrace! A half decent ownership would have booted out Moyes long ago! The man no longer gives a shit about EFC.

What a fuckwit you are!
Title: Correction
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 10:07:47 PM
It was 7-1.
Title: Re: First half v Sunderland - dreadfull
Post by: Krissy on December 26, 2011, 10:08:24 PM
Sounds like the same old story. I feel for the people that have travelled there.
Hope we turn it round...
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 26, 2011, 10:08:32 PM
any subs??
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Blueney-tunes on December 26, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
agreed mate thought it some time money or not this is shite

I dunno whats worse chap, those 2 on the pitch (who havent doen sweet FA for an age) or

a/ Neville and Heits BOTH at DM

OR EVEN

b/ Moyes saying the other day thatt he feels for the away travelling fans and will give them something
worth watching..

its all a shambles
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on December 26, 2011, 10:09:41 PM
Penalty!!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:09:52 PM
Penalty,  nice dive lol
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Ad1989 on December 26, 2011, 10:10:22 PM
Never a pen! Baines never misses!
Title: Nice one
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 10:10:50 PM
Never a pen! Baines never misses!

Jinxed it.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Gash on December 26, 2011, 10:10:54 PM
You get penalties for booting the ground now?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:11:11 PM
Ossie kicked the floor haha
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 10:11:29 PM
unbelievable he was second to arteta
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on December 26, 2011, 10:11:37 PM
never a pen , luck we need!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 26, 2011, 10:11:49 PM
He was clipped. Correct Call
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 26, 2011, 10:11:56 PM
Wasn't a dive.


He just tripped like an idiot.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 26, 2011, 10:12:21 PM
Lucky that pen!at first I thought it was a definite foul but he just kicked the ground.il take it though!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:12:27 PM
Ossie kicked the floor haha
about time we got some luck
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Gash on December 26, 2011, 10:13:17 PM
He was clipped. Correct Call

You must have a terrible stream?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 10:13:27 PM
What a fuckwit you are!
Why because it's the truth?? Prick!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 26, 2011, 10:13:35 PM
need to make the most of it and score some more
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Grand Master C on December 26, 2011, 10:13:53 PM
That goes in the "Decisions for" column !! :shock:
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: steve81 on December 26, 2011, 10:14:39 PM
Everton goal: Everton are handed a huge gift here from referee Howard Webb in the form of a very, very soft penalty. Leon Osman dribbles his way into the area and goes down as he looks to shoot. However, the midfielder kicks the floor - there is no challenge anywhere near him. Poor refereeing, but a confident spot-kick as Leighton Baines thumps it home
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: trendo on December 26, 2011, 10:15:47 PM
we need a chance
and we need two more goals
:)
Title: What?
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 10:16:09 PM
Why because it's the truth?? Prick!

Yes, you're a fuckwit because it's the truth. Not sure how you've figured that one out.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:17:53 PM
Webb knows he's fucked up. 
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 26, 2011, 10:18:32 PM
Webb knows he cocked up, that foul on Drenthe would've been a penalty any other day.


Still can't complain though, it's evened out after the first one.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 26, 2011, 10:18:50 PM
Now is the time to make an attacking substitue. Bring on Gueye for Distin. Move Tinga back into defense and Osman into the middle.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:19:42 PM
dennis or vellios on now bin saha for gods sake
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 10:21:11 PM
Yes, you're a fuck with because it's the truth. Not sure how you've figured that one out.

Listen mate, your entitled to your opinion just as I am with mine, but i'm not gonna come on here starting to name call fellow evertonians, don't wanna stoop to those levels.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Paul. on December 26, 2011, 10:21:35 PM
You want to win this game Davie, get Cahill and Neville the fuck off the pitch.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Grand Master C on December 26, 2011, 10:21:43 PM
The Webb giveth and the Webb taketh away.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 26, 2011, 10:23:55 PM
Moyes please dont wait till the 80th min to make an attacking change :( we can win this, just put barkley and vellios/strac on please
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:28:38 PM
Moyes please dont wait till the 80th min to make an attacking change :( we can win this, just put barkley and vellios/strac on please
thats moyes  only failing leaving it untill its to late to mak any subs.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:28:53 PM
Have Cahill or Saha had a shot on goal apart from their respective headers early on...
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:30:11 PM
Fucking hell!!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:33:07 PM
ffs moyes get rid of the dead wood and make 3 subs we can win this game
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on December 26, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
Are we planning on making any subs at all?

Heitinga needs to be taken off, I'm never at ease when he's on a yellow.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:34:47 PM
75 minutes and still no sub....  Moyes must still be pissed! 
Title: Re: Re: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2011, 10:35:28 PM
75 minutes and still no sub....  Moyes must still be pissed! 

75.10 Gueye on ;)

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:35:37 PM
Spoke too soon....  But Drenthe off and Gueye on. 
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Fynci on December 26, 2011, 10:36:14 PM
Before the forum explodes. Drenthe has been poor today.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 26, 2011, 10:36:17 PM
What the hell is Moyes doing? I'd he trying to save some subs up for the next match?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2011, 10:37:03 PM
Before the forum explodes. Drenthe has been poor today.

That's true

Sent from my shit phone because my good one got robbed
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:38:02 PM
Hasn't had much of the ball compared to how much he had it against Norwich.  Looked very isolated at times. 
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 26, 2011, 10:38:18 PM
Anyone see that Sunderland fan head the ball from the crowd?

Can we put him on for Cahill?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:38:33 PM
ffs saha and cahill are un touchable  :headbang:
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 26, 2011, 10:38:59 PM
We must be the slowest team on the break in the league.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 26, 2011, 10:39:24 PM
Drenthe has probably been poor because he has no one to help him out and its our only source of creativity
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Gash on December 26, 2011, 10:39:51 PM
How on earth do we end a counter attack with a pass back to Howard?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 26, 2011, 10:40:10 PM
We must be the slowest team on the break in the league.

We have an inability to go forward.... we always have to drag it back and go cross pitch or backwards. That's a fantastic thing in open play, but doesn't work on a break.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:40:36 PM
Weren't we in for McClean?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 26, 2011, 10:41:07 PM
What the Hell is that sub.. Wtf. Does Moyes want to win. Take off one of the 3 other much more viable  options..
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:42:01 PM
doesnt moyes like winning any more always going for a f--king draw
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 26, 2011, 10:42:25 PM
Get Denis on!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:42:43 PM
Cahill is on the right of midfield!!  Fuck this shit!! 
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:43:26 PM
Vellios coming on with 6 mins left... Hope he makes an impact! 
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: coloradoblue on December 26, 2011, 10:43:39 PM
Velios on for Saha.....
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:44:14 PM
oh look 6mins to go and vellios comes on  great timing dave
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 26, 2011, 10:44:38 PM
These like for like subs are killing me when we have to DMs and Cahill on
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 26, 2011, 10:45:50 PM
Fuck off Moyes. Learn from your previous mistakes and don't be so scared of O'Neil and his superior tactics.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: howard1334 on December 26, 2011, 10:46:57 PM
Why NOT Barkley
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 10:47:10 PM
Merry fucking Christmas
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on December 26, 2011, 10:48:18 PM
And we really needed a win today. We have to get these points when we were not going to nick them of top teams like previous years
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 26, 2011, 10:53:10 PM
Distin....................... ..............
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sprooly on December 26, 2011, 10:53:25 PM
fark
distin had the chance to win it


very solid point though
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: coloradoblue on December 26, 2011, 10:53:39 PM
Distin.....................................

So near....
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Trowel on December 26, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
Good point against a form team, nothing wrong with that performance.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 10:54:14 PM
ffs we have become a joke so f--king pedicable
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 26, 2011, 10:55:21 PM
This match has shown one thing: Why Drenthe isn't considered a world class player. For all the statistics that we can pull up on him, such as minutes/assists, his tendency to make stupid mistakes, such as with useless stepovers today, is what kills him. I love him as a player, but he needs work.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Gray90 on December 26, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
Sunderland 1 Howard Webb 1, we were bailed out big time there.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: pjk on December 26, 2011, 10:57:25 PM
Better second half. Osman mom for us? fuckin shit though are'nt we. ???
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Paul. on December 26, 2011, 10:58:18 PM
would personally say we were better first half.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Rhys on December 26, 2011, 10:58:41 PM
Good point against a form team, nothing wrong with that performance.

Given we dont have our 2 main centre midfielders and the lack of a decent forward we did ok. Put that performance in a sequence when everyone isnt on suicide watch and people wouldnt over-react as much.

We all know the problems we have but I bet Moyes, staff and the players will see that as a decent result against a tough team to beat at the moment given the options we had to pick from today.

WBA is a more winnable game than today and 4 points from the 2 games would be good.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 10:59:02 PM
Howard Webb, 2 blackburn missed pens, Zamora open goal miss, thankful for these gaffees otherwise we'd well and truely fucked in the bottom 3!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 10:59:04 PM
This match has shown one thing: Why Drenthe isn't considered a world class player. For all the statistics that we can pull up on him, such as minutes/assists, his tendency to make stupid mistakes, such as with useless stepovers today, is what kills him. I love him as a player, but he needs work.
yes drenthe was the problem today...

why didnt we play the same attacking players as against swansea? i tell you what if tolis was dropped recently as he dipped in training i'd loved to see how saha and cahill fucking do.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: pjk on December 26, 2011, 11:00:35 PM
would personally say we were better first half.



Maybe I wasa bit tense first half :headbang:
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 26, 2011, 11:00:48 PM
went in a rage when distin missed.

now i just feel sad that we have to put up with shite like that :( especially when we have better players on the bench....would have started with Gueye and Barkley, yes they may not have the fitness to last all game, but start with them, they are young, they arent scared of the opposition, will attack.....

if not start then at least put them on with half hour to go.

:(
Title: Do the math
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 11:01:15 PM
Howard Webb, 2 blackburn missed pens, Zamora open goal miss, thankful for these gaffees otherwise we'd well and truely fucked in the bottom 3!

I don't think that was mathematically possible.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Azz on December 26, 2011, 11:01:55 PM
Cahill - 1 shot on target, 1 shot off
Saha - 1 shot off target


*sigh*
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: efcforlife on December 26, 2011, 11:03:17 PM
This match has shown one thing: Why Drenthe isn't considered a world class player. For all the statistics that we can pull up on him, such as minutes/assists, his tendency to make stupid mistakes, such as with useless stepovers today, is what kills him. I love him as a player, but he needs work.

haha

clueless fuckers on here..

you have to try things for them to come off... if they dont work then so be it as far as im concerned.
opinions like yours annoy the fuck out of me, we would have a sqaud of fucking robots if you were in charge, hang on you arnt Moyes are you?

do you watch Messi and ronaldo play by any chance?? tricks dont always work but when they do they create chances/goals and points.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 26, 2011, 11:04:33 PM
Solid point considering we had no Felli , Coleman and Rodwell and Drenthe had one of his worst games for us . Sunderland have hit a little bit of form with o Neill's arrival so getting an away draw is ok . ... Not great mind but then we haven't just spent £100m+ and drew at home with Blackburn .. if we'd done that then that's a just cause to complain , :D
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: bluegrant on December 26, 2011, 11:06:02 PM
haha

clueless fuckers on here..

you have to try things for them to come off... if they dont work then so be it as far as im concerned.
opinions like yours annoy the fuck out of me, we would have a sqaud of fucking robots if you were in charge, hang on you arnt Moyes are you?

do you watch Messi and ronaldo play by any chance?? tricks dont always work but when they do they create chances/goals and points.
i agree hes was  the only player worh watching today
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on December 26, 2011, 11:06:12 PM
It's not a bad point against an inform team away from home giving our current problems and injuries.

I swear to god though... I wouldn't mind seeing a bit of Barkley BEFORE he's in a utd shirt!!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 26, 2011, 11:06:39 PM
Cahill - 1 shot on target, 1 shot off
Saha - 1 shot off target


*sigh*


yeah , why didn't he pick Van Persie and Aguero ... Moyes Out
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 11:07:02 PM
I don't think that was mathematically possible.

21-7 points = 14 points :) yes it is. I make that 3rd bottom.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 11:09:31 PM

yeah , why didn't he pick Van Persie and Aguero ... Moyes Out

the stats have been that all season. no way would you have started the two
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Paul. on December 26, 2011, 11:12:33 PM
A lucky point today. Team have no direct attack option other than long to Drenthe to chase. The movement of the team was shocking. Yes, we played Neville and Heitinga centre mid, but we must be able to move the ball faster than what we are. Too many times caught in possession. Case and point, Osman taking far too many touches when the wide left pass was on to Gueye.

The team looked bereft of confidence and we missed Fellaini big time.

Cahill and Neville should not be considered for first team action until they sort themselves out. Cahill was so out of sync he looked as if he would struggle to get a game in the Championship. Neville's ability on the ball is zero. His passing is terrible and once again all he did was cover space leaving Heitinga to do most of the pressing, just like with Fellaini in the last game.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 26, 2011, 11:12:36 PM
the stats have been that all season. no way would you have started the two

oh yeah , right .
Title: What a dummy!
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 11:14:41 PM
21-7 points = 14 points :) yes it is. I make that 3rd bottom.

Hello GOAL DIFFERENCE
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Ridge on December 26, 2011, 11:15:49 PM
Hard to tell from the stream, but I got the impression Cattermole's leg caught Osman's shooting foot. It looked only a glancing knock but enough to unbalance Osman, from behind him.

It's still a relatively soft penalty, but I don't think it was a wrong decision, as such.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: tafftoff on December 26, 2011, 11:16:28 PM
on a positive note I expect to get me appendage stretched tonight.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 11:18:25 PM
Okay, okay 17th then on GD. Still wouldn't paint a pretty picture. Anyway here's to 2 strikers hopefully arriving in the window in Jan...hmmmmm
Title: Ricick
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 11:19:34 PM
Okay, okay 17th then on GD. Still wouldn't paint a pretty picture. Anyway here's to 2 strikers hopefully arriving in the window in Jan...hmmmmm

But we're not in that position are we? It's a ridiculous argument.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on December 26, 2011, 11:22:29 PM
haha

clueless fuckers on here..

you have to try things for them to come off... if they dont work then so be it as far as im concerned.
opinions like yours annoy the fuck out of me, we would have a sqaud of fucking robots if you were in charge, hang on you arnt Moyes are you?

do you watch Messi and ronaldo play by any chance?? tricks dont always work but when they do they create chances/goals and points.

Never said I didn't like creativity. All I said was why he isn't considered a better play. I've watch Messi and Ronaldo, yes. Creative play creates goals, but Drenthe was off today. I didn't say I didn't like his creative playstyle, all I said was his mistakes are why he isn't viewed as a better player. He needs a bit of work.

Also, we probably would have a squad of robots if I were in charge. Because I'm in no way qualified to manage a premier league team, being a clueless fucker. 

Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: kunal32 on December 26, 2011, 11:28:14 PM
But we're not in that position are we? It's a ridiculous argument.

My point is we've had a fair share of luck this season so far and a few pens given to us as well. More often than not we won't be in games where we survive due to a Zamora miss or 2 pens being missed. Our position would have should have been a lot lower if it weren't for luck. I can't remember a game this season when we've slaughtered someone and said we should have won it at a canter, by the clear cut chances created. Will hold my hands up if i'm wrong.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
My point is we've had a fair share of luck this season so far and a few pens given to us as well. More often than not we won't be in games where we survive due to a Zamora miss or 2 pens being missed. Our position would have should have been a lot lower if it weren't for luck. I can't remember a game this season when we've slaughtered someone and said we should have won it at a canter, by the clear cut chances created. Will hold my hands up if i'm wrong.
only against villa i'd say
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Danny on December 26, 2011, 11:36:47 PM
Were we shit? I'm going off Si's title saying "Everton steal point". Glad we robbed something from Oneill the amount of times his Villa side robbed points off us.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 26, 2011, 11:42:05 PM
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Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 26, 2011, 11:42:50 PM
Not a bad point today really, Sunderlands spirits are up due to the O'Neill factor and with both of our strikers playing without any sort of confidence and 2 holding midfielders in the centre, after going a goal down we would have to see a point as a good one. We desperately need some new faces in January as Drenthe aside we have hardly any creativity. He lost the ball a few times today but he is so important to us and I would always keep him on the pitch unless we have a game wrapped up, which we don't often have!
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 11:44:17 PM
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because we were shit . i'd have been more content right now losing 3 2 and everyone playing brilliant.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Silas on December 26, 2011, 11:46:03 PM
because we were shit . i'd have been more content right now losing 3 2 and everyone playing brilliant.

Fuck that, that's how you get relegated.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Shogun on December 26, 2011, 11:47:15 PM
Fuck that, that's how you get relegated.
not every week obviously.
Title: Spent less than us
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 11:47:51 PM
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Huge budget? Don't make me laugh.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 26, 2011, 11:50:06 PM
Huge budget? Don't make me laugh.

I forgot ... they haven't been able to make a significant signing for over 2 years and rely on the loan market ....... Oh wait .....
Title: Another idiot
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 26, 2011, 11:52:13 PM
I forgot ... they haven't been able to make a significant signing for over 2 years and rely on the loan market ....... Oh wait .....

No they're sold to buy for the last three years...

Hardly makes it a huge budget, does it NMC?
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 27, 2011, 12:10:21 AM
No they're sold to buy for the last three years...

Hardly makes it a huge budget, does it NMC?

short sighted ... they had a big injection of cash prior to that
Title: Moyes out
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 27, 2011, 12:16:35 AM
short sighted ... they had a big injection of cash prior to that

You mean when they came up from the championship...yea they did. Bought people like Chopra and got Andy Cole on a free. However since then they've sold Bent and Jones and lost Welbeck (who was a loan, by the way) and Gyan. They've also sold their Rodwell (Henderson, lol). It's worth pointing out that we beat Sunderland 7-1 the year they spent all this money.

You can kid yourself all you want, we have the squad to beat Sunderland, QPR, Norwich etc, it's just Moyes' poor tactics today that got in the way.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: nomorechang on December 27, 2011, 12:26:38 AM
You mean when they came up from the championship...yea they did. Bought people like Chopra and got Andy Cole on a free. However since then they've sold Bent and Jones and lost Welbeck (who was a loan, by the way) and Gyan. They've also sold their Rodwell (Henderson, lol). It's worth pointing out that we beat Sunderland 7-1 the year they spent all this money.

You can kid yourself all you want, we have the squad to beat Sunderland, QPR, Norwich etc, it's just Moyes' poor tactics today that got in the way.

yeah ,we have the players to beat Sunderland away from home when they've improved since o neill arrived ... when we have a fully fit squad of players on form , but it certainly doesn't help if Coleman , Rodwell and Fellaini never even got on the coach and the manager has to plan for 10 games in the next 5 weeks with that squad ... I repeat a point today is not a bad result ... get over it
Title: Thanks Webb
Post by: Bily No Pace on December 27, 2011, 12:28:59 AM
yeah ,we have the players to beat Sunderland away from home when they've improved since o neill arrived ... when we have a fully fit squad of players on form , but it certainly doesn't help if Coleman , Rodwell and Fellaini never even got on the coach and the manager has to plan for 10 games in the next 5 weeks with that squad ... I repeat a point today is not a bad result ... get over it

I never said it was a bd result. In fact I thought we were lucky today in some aspects and unlucky in others. Saying that we have a better squad than Sunderland, even without those factors you mentioned. We should have won or at least not relied on Howard Webb for the point.
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 27, 2011, 05:34:44 AM
It was a horrible game by both teams. The wind had as much to do with it than anything. Any sort of long ball caused endless problems for defenders. A point was a fair resut
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: blueski on December 27, 2011, 09:15:36 AM
It was a horrible game by both teams. The wind had as much to do with it than anything. Any sort of long ball caused endless problems for defenders. A point was a fair resut
if its windy isn't the thing to do is keep the ball on the ground when in posession???
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: Confucius on December 27, 2011, 10:57:54 AM
if its windy isn't the thing to do is keep the ball on the ground when in posession???

The wind was affecting ground passes too. Playing with a major wind is the worse thing. You can't even get your balance right to control balls or make passes.
Only Sessegnon looked good in those conditions
Title: Re: Sunderland V Everton
Post by: gdog1981 on December 27, 2011, 02:55:57 PM
Just seen the highlights, played worse TBH.  Had a few chances, Distin should have buried one at the end.  If we had a hungry, class striker as Baines put some great balls in.  Maybe worth giving Denis a go, at least he can win headers and it may just work if we can get guys around him.

The wind was shocking, any team would struggle in those conditions.  I have played games before myself in gale force winds and I tell you it's a lottery.  Decent point, lets move on the WBA with confidence with Felli and Jack back too.