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Title: Mirallas
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 10, 2017, 04:15:54 AM
Getting a new deal...
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 10, 2017, 04:16:49 AM
Good news.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on May 10, 2017, 04:17:55 AM
Pleased. Many games next season and definitely a good man to have in the squad.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2017, 04:18:49 AM
What's the point
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Alanvideo on May 10, 2017, 04:20:02 AM
Not arsed.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Silas on May 10, 2017, 04:21:30 AM
He's so patchy but I have a soft spot for the lad. Suppose with Lennon, Deulofeu and Mc Geady all very uncertain we have to keep hold of him as an established squad player.   
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 10, 2017, 04:30:33 AM
Hmmm
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 10, 2017, 04:32:26 AM
When's his current deal end?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: ally2 on May 10, 2017, 04:32:27 AM
Squad player only now.  There's a better argument to sell others but then if you went through our squad there'd be hardly anyone left.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2017, 04:34:08 AM
Yeah suppose how much do you get for him?

As long as we upgrade in the summer I'm fine with it.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Paddockoldie on May 10, 2017, 04:35:32 AM
Not against it. I think he needs to be instructed to be more direct... in the day he's got a game winner in him but needs to improve his consistency.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 10, 2017, 04:35:45 AM
At least he wants to sign and play for us.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Shogun on May 10, 2017, 04:36:23 AM
Deserves it, look at his suit tonight.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Goaljira on May 10, 2017, 04:39:01 AM
"Fuckin' contract, lad!"
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Ross on May 10, 2017, 04:39:37 AM
All these deals getting signed and sorted after saying "no new contracts till the summer" just confirms what a bollocks we've made of the Barkley situation.

Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on May 10, 2017, 04:40:19 AM
He's hit and miss but puts the effort in and capable of the unexpected now and then..
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: ally2 on May 10, 2017, 04:43:07 AM
All these deals getting signed and sorted after saying "no new contracts till the summer" just confirms what a bollocks we've made of the Barkley situation.

No it doesn't
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Tony Clifton on May 10, 2017, 04:43:34 AM
Handing these out like they're going out of fashion...  :whistle:

Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Major Clanger on May 10, 2017, 04:45:44 AM
No it doesn't

Hey, that's my catchphrase :)
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Ross on May 10, 2017, 04:47:19 AM
No it doesn't

Then how did we let one of England's best young players get to within 12 months of his contract running out without sorting a deal out or selling him at his optimum price?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Goaljira on May 10, 2017, 04:47:28 AM
Handing these out like they're going out of fashion...  :whistle:

Or we've got a shhitload of FFP cap space we didn't use from selling Stones that needs to be sorted by the end of the season else it was wasted.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: ally2 on May 10, 2017, 04:49:33 AM
Then how did we let one of England's best young players get to within 12 months of his contract running out without sorting a deal out or selling him at his optimum price?

We don't know why he hasn't signed a deal. But it would have been silly to have sold him before now.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2017, 04:53:36 AM
Im made up, gotta lotta love for Kev
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Tony Clifton on May 10, 2017, 05:02:38 AM
Or we've got a shhitload of FFP cap space we didn't use from selling Stones that needs to be sorted by the end of the season else it was wasted.

And that, yes.  ;D
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Ross on May 10, 2017, 05:03:40 AM
We don't know why he hasn't signed a deal. But it would have been silly to have sold him before now.

Well we've been repeatedly told by club employees this season that he's not been offered a new deal and won't be until the summer when they hope to resolve the situation.

Now given all the rest of the football clubs in the league would have had this business wrapped up well before entering the final 12 months of a contract, especially given his age, ability, potential and profile. But no they've left themselves exposed to losing a highly valuable asset on the cheap, so yeah, I'd say we've clearly made a bollocks of this. And I'm sure most would agree with me.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: pjk on May 10, 2017, 05:04:35 AM
Then how did we let one of England's best young players get to within 12 months of his contract running out without sorting a deal out or selling him at his optimum price?




I'd hate for us to sell him like he doesn't matter as a blue. Too much money and politics from what I can see. I really hope he stays as one of us. :) Btw. "Is this the Barkley thread"? :)
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: bluestevie on May 10, 2017, 05:10:09 AM
Well we've been repeatedly told by club employees this season that he's not been offered a new deal and won't be until the summer when they hope to resolve the situation.

Now given all the rest of the football clubs in the league would have had this business wrapped up well before entering the final 12 months of a contract, especially given his age, ability, potential and profile. But no they've left themselves exposed to losing a highly valuable asset on the cheap, so yeah, I'd say we've clearly made a bollocks of this. And I'm sure most would agree with me.

I say why have Ross and his agent waited for this season, knowing he was going to be going into his final year, to wait for a new one? Could have easily asked to discuss one last year, year before that too.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Ross on May 10, 2017, 05:10:20 AM



I'd hate for us to sell him like he doesn't matter as a blue. Too much money and politics from what I can see. I really hope he stays as one of us. :) Btw. "Is this the Barkley thread"? :)


No you're right it's not the Barkley thread.

Congratulations to Kevin Mirallas on signing a new long term contract at Everton at the age of 29(?). After years of talking about moving onto a Champions league club and then reality kicking in this must feel like a dream come true.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Ross on May 10, 2017, 05:12:24 AM
I say why have Ross and his agent waited for this season, knowing he was going to be going into his final year, to wait for a new one? Could have easily asked to discuss one last year, year before that too.

Maybe they did Stevie? But as PJ said this isn't the thread so let's congratulate Kev on his new deal.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: pjk on May 10, 2017, 05:19:22 AM
I've been out all night. I didn't realise Kev had signed a new contract. I think he's a decent player. On his day, he's a breath of fresh air. :)
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 10, 2017, 05:24:43 AM
I say why have Ross and his agent waited for this season, knowing he was going to be going into his final year, to wait for a new one? Could have easily asked to discuss one last year, year before that too.

Exactly, why wasn't Roberto looking at this last year? Because by my calculations, it would've been exactly the same point as Lukaku's contract this season. Having been unconvinced earlier in the season, maybe Koeman was waiting to see what he'd been signing up for. After all, look what happened last time we starting handing out bumper contracts willy nilly.

Or maybe Barkley wanted to leave it until the end of the season and see where the land lies. It's not uncommon, just look at Arsenal.

Back to the OP and I'm pleased Kev may be signing. The goals have dried up a bit the last couple of years but on his day he can definitely make a good contribution. Glad he may be sticking around for a while longer yet.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 10, 2017, 05:26:26 AM
Maybe Barkleys agent is asking for a contact that Koeman thinks he is not worthy of. Might not rate him that highly.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bluedylan on May 10, 2017, 05:26:38 AM
To think of the stick Ross and Rom get after one quiet game, and the free pass that Kevin Mirallas gets with a lot of blues season after season.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: AllyBlue14 on May 10, 2017, 05:32:10 AM
To think of the stick Ross and Rom get after one quiet game, and the free pass that Kevin Mirallas gets with a lot of blues season after season.

Expectations eh? It's like when Joel keeps a clean sheet - there's no doubt he's improved but you expect him to have a brain fart at any second and cock it up. So if he doesn't, he's done well.

Rom and Ross are our go-to players when we need to pull something out the bag. You hope Mirallas might, but history has shown us it'll more often than not be one of the other 2. As a result, you're more frustrated with them if it doesn't happen.

Not saying it's right, but it's a compliment if anything.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2017, 05:37:16 AM
To think of the stick Ross and Rom get after one quiet game, and the free pass that Kevin Mirallas gets with a lot of blues season after season.

I think he's a belter player but he's been an extremely disappointing player for a few years now.

A couple of years ago, he looked like he could have stepped up but it just didn't happen for him, and it honestly looked like the wind just went out of him. Probably the penalty incident was the final nail in the coffin.

He's looking like he could get a bit of his old self back, but like I say - I'm fine with this on the condition that we sign an upgrade. We need 10-15 goals from wide areas next year.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Thornton_19 on May 10, 2017, 05:43:09 AM
With the amount of games we will have its a no brainer. Have him on the bench, start league and FA Cup games. He hasnt been terrible either this season, just inconsistent.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blargins on May 10, 2017, 05:45:20 AM
Hopefully that means Rom will be next.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: ally2 on May 10, 2017, 05:45:48 AM
Even though I've kind of given up on him, I do think we would get more out of him if the midfield was tweaked, and I also think that he and Rom don't particularly work well together.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: gwells on May 10, 2017, 07:50:44 AM
Not happy I think he is an egocentric overrated dickhead personally
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: cantoffee on May 10, 2017, 08:06:51 AM
Thought he would leave this summer, but I suppose we are losing a few attacking players for sure.

Wish he could rediscover his form of a few years ago but it's very fleeting now.

Best thing he's done all year is that video but I still have a soft spot for him.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Confucius on May 10, 2017, 09:46:32 AM
To think of the stick Ross and Rom get after one quiet game, and the free pass that Kevin Mirallas gets with a lot of blues season after season.


Or one is a squad player who is decent while the other two have so much more expected of them because of how good they are and can be.

Totally different situations
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Makis on May 10, 2017, 12:06:09 PM
Depressing. Instead of getting good players Mirallas gets an extension. Hints at a disappointing summer yet again.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: GLewis on May 10, 2017, 12:22:06 PM
Seems to have the knack of not playing well that often and not getting picked that often but still getting a contract extension...
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: GLewis on May 10, 2017, 12:43:14 PM
I think he's a belter player but he's been an extremely disappointing player for a few years now.

A couple of years ago, he looked like he could have stepped up but it just didn't happen for him, and it honestly looked like the wind just went out of him. Probably the penalty incident was the final nail in the coffin.

He's looking like he could get a bit of his old self back, but like I say - I'm fine with this on the condition that we sign an upgrade. We need 10-15 goals from wide areas next year.

Think up to the penalty incident he'd been good, especially for what we paid for him.

He'd got more consistent and was probably the only bright note in the first half of the 14/15 season.

The penalty thing came about as he was seemingly intent on moving to a CL club and thought boosting his personal goal tally would aid that.

Since then he seems to have lost something physically which means he's not getting into positions to affect the game as much. He was never too consistent in his general play but he made a (relative) lot out of assists and goals.

As you say if he's 4th choice next year then that's fine but we do need 1 front line attacker and at least 1 supporting one who are better than he is now.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Cozzie on May 10, 2017, 01:15:14 PM
What's the point

McGeady, Duelofeu, POSSIBLY Lennon sold this summer, Bolasie out till xmas, we cant go into a season with absolutely zero wingers.

Hes the winger with the most experience at the club, makes a world of sense this.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: TheRam on May 10, 2017, 01:17:24 PM
McGeady, Duelofeu, POSSIBLY Lennon sold this summer, Bolasie out till xmas, we cant go into a season with absolutely zero wingers.

Hes the winger with the most experience at the club, makes a world of sense this.

That is true.

Just think he's become very stagnant and a move away may have been best for both parties. 
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Hesmenos on May 10, 2017, 01:51:49 PM
McGeady, Duelofeu, POSSIBLY Lennon sold this summer, Bolasie out till xmas, we cant go into a season with absolutely zero wingers.

Hes the winger with the most experience at the club, makes a world of sense this.
This. Plus also the fact that Kone is going, Lukaku could be going, Valencia's loan is up, Barkley hasn't signed a contract, we don't know if Lennon will be back. That leaves us with only Mirallas, DCL and Lookman as forward players who are 100% nailed on to be here next season. While we will obviously be buying players to replace those that leave, it's generally not a good idea to replace your entire attacking lineup in 1 window.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
My youngest is made up, he idolizes Mirallas, gets his name on every kit I get him, flips everytime he gets subbed off

Got a lot to learn my lad
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 10, 2017, 02:55:07 PM
In an ideal world he'd move on to freshen up his career and we'd get to freshen up our attacking threat.
In reality we can't afford to let him go looking at what else we've got left.

New contract by default then I think.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Alanvideo on May 10, 2017, 03:43:23 PM
In an ideal world he'd move on to freshen up his career and we'd get to freshen up our attacking threat.
In reality we can't afford to let him go looking at what else we've got left.

New contract by default then I think.
......................Yes I think so - but 5 years ? Is this standard now for Everton players ?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2017, 03:47:24 PM
......................Yes I think so - but 5 years ? Is this standard now for Everton players ?

What's the problem?

Doubt he stays for the next five years so what's the difference?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: D3blue on May 10, 2017, 03:58:00 PM
I'm a big fan of KM but he has lost so much of his early sparkle.  I'm surprised he hasn't moved on but happy that he hasn't.  It would be great if he could add some goals next season.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Shogun on May 10, 2017, 04:00:21 PM
Not sure what he's done to be an "ego-centric dickhead".
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Alanvideo on May 10, 2017, 04:05:44 PM
What's the problem?

Doubt he stays for the next five years so what's the difference?
...................No problem just surprised at the length of contract. And I was asking is this standard because Coleman was also given 5 years .
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 10, 2017, 04:07:15 PM
...................No problem just surprised at the length of contract. And I was asking is this standard because Coleman was also given 5 years .

Probably want to move away from the situation we now find ourselves in with Barkley.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Hesmenos on May 10, 2017, 04:22:01 PM
Maybe it's a 3+1+1 contract where the extra years are automatically triggered based on appearances.
Wasn't Kone's contract similair?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2017, 04:30:45 PM
I'm amazed people seem to be a bit perturbed by this news
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Gash on May 10, 2017, 04:42:03 PM
No problem with this whatsoever. We need a bigger squad for European football and we'll no doubt have a bit of a clearout so keeping the better squad members is good business rather than trying to go out and find others.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: GLewis on May 10, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
Not sure what he's done to be an "ego-centric dickhead".

I'd guess the penalty incident. 

He was also banging the CL club drum back then too.

Seems a long time ago now.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Macca77 on May 10, 2017, 05:02:27 PM
No problem with this whatsoever. We need a bigger squad for European football and we'll no doubt have a bit of a clearout so keeping the better squad members is good business rather than trying to go out and find others.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on May 10, 2017, 05:04:04 PM
Decent squad player. Think he's been extended with European football in mind. Doesn't quite do it in the prem nowadays (like in the old Mmmbluemirallas days) but more than capable of putting lesser sides to the sword.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Toddacelli on May 10, 2017, 05:45:51 PM
My youngest is made up, he idolizes Mirallas, gets his name on every kit I get him, flips everytime he gets subbed off

Got a lot to learn my lad

Love like this though....    :hug:

At his age it was Trevor Steven for me     :hail:      I remember crying in the Enclosure when he got injured     lolol
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bluenose 91 on May 10, 2017, 06:38:25 PM
Think he's a bit shite myself like but yeah suppose this makes sense with the extra games next season and that.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: formerKHL on May 10, 2017, 07:55:07 PM
Great news this..i personally think he's one of our better players...

just lacks consistency....however, he's a typical temperamental winger for me.....

plays well gets subbed...spits dummy out....doesn't get picked for a coupla games....then comes in and everyone expects him to over perform....

it's no wonder he is inconsistent...
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 10, 2017, 08:19:21 PM
Great news this..i personally think he's one of our better players...

just lacks consistency....however, he's a typical temperamental winger for me.....

plays well gets subbed...spits dummy out....doesn't get picked for a coupla games....then comes in and everyone expects him to over perform....

it's no wonder he is inconsistent...

He's forgotten how to put the ball in the net though. It's no wonder he's out of favour so often. A forward who doesn't score or make things happen can't expect to keep his place in the team.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: formerKHL on May 10, 2017, 08:24:34 PM
Don't forget though he's a winger first and foremost...

on a 1 on 1 I wouldn't hesitate to back him every time...
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 10, 2017, 08:49:44 PM
Don't forget though he's a winger first and foremost...

on a 1 on 1 I wouldn't hesitate to back him every time...

There lies the rub. He very rarely, if ever, gets himself one on one anymore.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Major Clanger on May 10, 2017, 08:54:42 PM
There lies the rub. He very rarely, if ever, gets himself one on one anymore.

Just like Baines rarely is in a position to run behind the opposition, part of that is due to how the team is set up. With a few tweaks in positioning we could possibly solve both.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 10, 2017, 08:59:16 PM
Just like Baines rarely is in a position to run behind the opposition, part of that is due to how the team is set up. With a few tweaks in positioning we could possibly solve both.

I could agree with the Baines example but not Mirallas. There's nothing stopping him getting in and around the box and getting into goalscoring positions, we have enough cover behind him. Same as Barkley. Koeman has called them both out on it, so they clearly have instructions to deliver more but for whatever reason they can't/don't do it.
I'd be surprised if they are both first choice next year.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: formerKHL on May 10, 2017, 09:01:23 PM
There lies the rub. He very rarely, if ever, gets himself one on one anymore.

is that down to him or the team build up ?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 10, 2017, 09:09:09 PM
is that down to him or the team build up ?

What do you think?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: kramer0 on May 10, 2017, 09:25:09 PM
"Good but inconsistent" is really just another way of saying "not particularly good." The Premier League is full of players who look like world beaters on their day. Consistency is what separates the wheat from the chaff.

I have no problem with this deal since we need a big squad for next season but I do feel that Mirallas would be better off with a change of scenery.

[Separate Thought] I don't see how Mirallas is worth retaining but Deulofeu isn't. Both are inconsistent but only one has time on his side. I'm sure it comes down to Mirallas is willing to be a squad player, Deulofeu isn't, but still.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: formerKHL on May 10, 2017, 09:28:15 PM
What do you think?

team build up play and team build itself ie we haven't got a midfielder who can deliver a cutting through ball pass....

I've seen both mirrallas and lukaku make third man runs only for the ball to go out wide......or backwards
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: formerKHL on May 10, 2017, 09:32:24 PM
"Good but inconsistent" is really just another way of saying "not particularly good." The Premier League is full of players who look like world beaters on their day. Consistency is what separates the wheat from the chaff.

I have no problem with this deal since we need a big squad for next season but I do feel that Mirallas would be better off with a change of scenery.

[Separate Thought] I don't see how Mirallas is worth retaining but Deulofeu isn't. Both are inconsistent but only one has time on his side. I'm sure it comes down to Mirallas is willing to be a squad player, Deulofeu isn't, but still.

No its not.....ahem LUKAKU...would you say he wasn't very good ?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blue1948 on May 10, 2017, 09:56:27 PM
Think he's a bit shite myself like but yeah suppose this makes sense with the extra games next season and that.
Except he had a year left ,so he was here anyway
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blue1948 on May 10, 2017, 09:58:18 PM
Great news this..i personally think he's one of our better players...

just lacks consistency....however, he's a typical temperamental winger for me.....

plays well gets subbed...spits dummy out....doesn't get picked for a coupla games....then comes in and everyone expects him to over perform....

it's no wonder he is inconsistent...
I understand what you are saying but totally disagree he should be out on his arse ,we should no longer have time or space for temperamental players
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blue1948 on May 10, 2017, 09:59:45 PM
is that down to him or the team build up ?
Does it really matter as we don't pick the team ?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blue1948 on May 10, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
"Good but inconsistent" is really just another way of saying "not particularly good." The Premier League is full of players who look like world beaters on their day. Consistency is what separates the wheat from the chaff.

I have no problem with this deal since we need a big squad for next season but I do feel that Mirallas would be better off with a change of scenery.

[Separate Thought] I don't see how Mirallas is worth retaining but Deulofeu isn't. Both are inconsistent but only one has time on his side. I'm sure it comes down to Mirallas is willing to be a squad player, Deulofeu isn't, but still.
God ,you were getting a like to I read Deulofeo and then I went blank ,I don't understand how you think he might have changed ! He is simply not strong enough for the prem or committed enough to track back
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 10, 2017, 10:13:22 PM
God ,you were getting a like to I read Deulofeo and then I went blank ,I don't understand how you think he might have changed ! He is simply not strong enough for the prem or committed enough to track back


He was saying he has time on his side to change, he wasn't necessarily saying he has/will do.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: formerKHL on May 10, 2017, 10:15:40 PM
I understand what you are saying but totally disagree he should be out on his arse ,we should no longer have time or space for temperamental players

you obviously haven't spent any time around footballers.....they're all temperamental....
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bluedylan on May 10, 2017, 10:20:40 PM
3 goals this season, 4 last season, 6 the season before that. Hardly any assists either. Doesn't offer much defensively or in knitting the team together. A 5 year deal aged 29 really? I'd have got shut of him to West Ham or someone similar for 15m or so. Seems like a nice lad and all that, but that output is fairly lamentable.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 10, 2017, 10:24:14 PM
3 goals this season, 4 last season, 6 the season before that. Hardly any assists either. Doesn't offer much defensively or in knitting the team together. A 5 year deal aged 29 really? I'd have got shut of him to West Ham or someone similar for 15m or so. Seems like a nice lad and all that, but that output is fairly lamentable.

I'm quite surprised by it. I can only assume he's on the same money and we just want to safeguard an asset with a view to moving him on within 12-18 months once better players come in.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blue1948 on May 10, 2017, 10:53:42 PM
you obviously haven't spent any time around footballers.....they're all temperamental....
Well if you want to be pedantic we all are but that wasn't what I meant ,I meant that he shows it more than most
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blue1948 on May 10, 2017, 10:56:11 PM
3 goals this season, 4 last season, 6 the season before that. Hardly any assists either. Doesn't offer much defensively or in knitting the team together. A 5 year deal aged 29 really? I'd have got shut of him to West Ham or someone similar for 15m or so. Seems like a nice lad and all that, but that output is fairly lamentable.
We can only hope he is on his way for a fee that reflects the length of his contact because for me he simply doesn't do enough
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Everton Mint on May 10, 2017, 11:05:35 PM
Bit of a surprise for me given his lack of real form for a while now.

And a 5-year deal is too generous. He will be very comfortable on that and if he doesnt produce we could be stuck with a player sitting on a contact for years.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Major Clanger on May 10, 2017, 11:07:58 PM
Let's look at it this way: you can't throw out half your team just like that if you want to progress smoothly. And we've already got some serious recruiting to do in other areas.

Whatever his shortcomings, his replacement is just not worth it when you also factor in the likely upheaval that is planned.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blargins on May 10, 2017, 11:29:37 PM
I read somewhere his contract was up this summer, so he could have left on a free.

Although he is a frustrating player and inconsistent, look at our own perception of how things are going. A season or two ago, Mirallas is a first teamer and we were looking at dead wood such as McGeady etc. Now we are seeing the likes of Mirallas as becoming the next lot of deadwood. Our deadwood is increasing in quality.

It's a no brainer to keep him due to the major overhaul of the front line that is likely to occur this summer. We have Europe next season so need the numbers. We also need continuity and senior players. Plus he has that bit of bite and fight to him (which admittedly gets him into trouble sometimes).

I would hope Del comes back into the fold as well, he seems to have done alright in Milan. His experience playing in Europe could help us too, plus he may have matured. But if not, no doubt our management team is looking at decent options.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: brap2 on May 10, 2017, 11:53:14 PM
...................No problem just surprised at the length of contract. And I was asking is this standard because Coleman was also given 5 years .

Yeah it's a fair question to be honest, sorry if that came across confrontational, think I was still waking up a bit when I wrote that!
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: BlueForYou on May 11, 2017, 01:13:41 AM
30 this year, 1 year left on existing contract, been here 5 seasons - surprised at new 5 year deal, would have shipped him out

Having said that, don't dislike Kev, so hope he can deliver some decent form 
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Alanvideo on May 11, 2017, 01:26:19 AM
We'll need all the players we can get now that the prodigal son isn't coming back............ :snigger:
BREAKING: @ManUtd captain Wayne Rooney says he wants to stay at the club next season. More on #SSNHQ.
6:26 PM - 10 May 2017
 
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bluedylan on May 11, 2017, 01:35:08 AM
We'll need all the players we can get now that the prodigal son isn't coming back............ :snigger:
BREAKING: @ManUtd captain Wayne Rooney says he wants to stay at the club next season. More on #SSNHQ.
6:26 PM - 10 May 2017
 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/may/10/wayne-rooney-hints-he-may-have-to-leave-manchester-united-in-summer
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Alanvideo on May 11, 2017, 01:47:13 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/may/10/wayne-rooney-hints-he-may-have-to-leave-manchester-united-in-summer
...............conflicting reports  :wag:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10871711/wayne-rooney-says-he-wants-to-stay-at-manchester-united
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bluedylan on May 11, 2017, 01:56:33 AM
...............conflicting reports  :wag:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10871711/wayne-rooney-says-he-wants-to-stay-at-manchester-united


Same reports, same quotes, completely opposing interpretations. The media for ya.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on May 11, 2017, 02:29:01 AM
Mirallas is a better upgrade to next seasons Kone.

Squad player only for cup and european games. Perhaps sparsely used in the premier league matches, but no more than that.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Silas on May 11, 2017, 02:36:25 AM
Think we have to be realistic, Mirallas will still have quite a big role in the squad next season, we aren't buying 10 players in the window so we will be utilising him a fair bit.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: D15TIN on May 11, 2017, 02:55:29 AM
Mirallas is a better upgrade to next seasons Kone.

Squad player only for cup and european games. Perhaps sparsely used in the premier league matches, but no more than that.
This. We still require a squad, we'd only have to replace Mirallas with another squad player so makes sense to keep hold of him, still a good player just inconsistent, same as all of our wingers
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: GLewis on May 11, 2017, 03:05:56 AM
...............conflicting reports  :wag:
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10871711/wayne-rooney-says-he-wants-to-stay-at-manchester-united


Maybe Rooney strengthening his bargaining position re his pay off were he to leave.

If he was "desperate" to go then they would feel like they wouldn't need to offer him much.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bluebridge on May 11, 2017, 05:45:24 AM
We'll need all the players we can get now that the prodigal son isn't coming back............ :snigger:
BREAKING: @ManUtd captain Wayne Rooney says he wants to stay at the club next season. More on #SSNHQ.
6:26 PM - 10 May 2017
 
God, I hope this is true !
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: starblood on May 11, 2017, 07:11:01 AM
3 goals this season, 4 last season, 6 the season before that. Hardly any assists either. Doesn't offer much defensively or in knitting the team together. A 5 year deal aged 29 really? I'd have got shut of him to West Ham or someone similar for 15m or so. Seems like a nice lad and all that, but that output is fairly lamentable.

4 goals this season, not 3. And 6 assists.
6 goals last season, not 4. And 3 assists.
11 goals the season before, not 6. And 3 assists.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blue1948 on May 11, 2017, 11:39:55 AM
The only sort of plus I can find from this news of Mirallas is that if Rom leaves he will play as a number 9 ,which if I remember is his preferred position .Other than that I don't see one as the " upheaval" can only be for the good
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: GLewis on May 11, 2017, 12:38:04 PM
The only sort of plus I can find from this news of Mirallas is that if Rom leaves he will play as a number 9 ,which if I remember is his preferred position .Other than that I don't see one as the " upheaval" can only be for the good


I think he scored most goals in Greece at a left sided attacker of a 3; which is where he's played most of this season.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bluedylan on May 11, 2017, 12:55:40 PM
4 goals this season, not 3. And 6 assists.
6 goals last season, not 4. And 3 assists.
11 goals the season before, not 6. And 3 assists.

My mistake, right you are. Last two seasons still shite though eh?
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 11, 2017, 01:58:32 PM
It may just be because I'm bored as hell of him, but it feels like he goes missing just as much as Rom but only plays half the amount of games.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Hawkandro on May 11, 2017, 02:36:14 PM
We will be losing Kone, Valencia and Deulofeu this summer and you have to wonder how much Lennon will feature next season too, so it makes sense to re-sign Kevin.

Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 11, 2017, 03:07:10 PM
We will be losing Kone, Valencia and Deulofeu this summer and you have to wonder how much Lennon will feature next season too, so it makes sense to re-sign Kevin.



Hardly a ringing endorsement of his qualities but I agree.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: starblood on May 11, 2017, 08:07:27 PM
My mistake, right you are. Last two seasons still shite though eh?

I think it is pretty good to be fair.

Taking this season for instance, a goal or assist every 190 minutes - about one every two games. Better stats than Barkley and ("the next step up") Bolasie (before his injury).

Add to that the fact he is forever dropped to the bench or subbed (making it difficult to get into a groove of consistent form)?

I like him, I make no bones about it - always have done. Should always be on the pitch for me as he offers you a goal threat at any moment even when he is having a quiet game (and that is something we have missed big-time in recent seasons).
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: formerKHL on May 11, 2017, 08:43:24 PM
Well if you want to be pedantic we all are but that wasn't what I meant ,I meant that he shows it more than most


like I said you obviously haven't spent any time around professional footballers
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blue1948 on May 11, 2017, 09:25:56 PM

like I said you obviously haven't spent any time around professional footballers

So where are we now ? you have spent more time around professional footballers than me ! and the point? That is the point you feel you didn't make ,with the first comment to me
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: formerKHL on May 11, 2017, 09:39:08 PM
So where are we now ? you have spent more time around professional footballers than me ! and the point? That is the point you feel you didn't make ,with the first comment to me

the point I believe I made in my first post.....However, they are all pedantic premadonnas'  ....no matter what level they're playing at...
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: blue1948 on May 11, 2017, 09:49:19 PM
the point I believe I made in my first post.....However, they are all pedantic premadonnas'  ....no matter what level they're playing at...
You didn't answer the question ,you just reiterated the same point ! If you want the last word it is yours
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: formerKHL on May 11, 2017, 09:51:25 PM
no last word my friend ..you just kept asking the same thing....I just tried to explain...
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 11, 2017, 11:42:39 PM

like I said you obviously haven't spent any time around professional footballers


Yes yes we get it, you work or did work in football in some capacity, you've even said hello to 1 or 2 professionals.
You know more than anyone else on here about footballers or football.

We get it, we get it. Jeez.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: GoodisonPk on May 11, 2017, 11:56:28 PM
I rate this guy big time.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2017, 01:33:53 AM
It's frustrating as that run against Leicester is what he is capable of but we rarely see it.
He needs to stop coming deep, picking up the ball of Baines and running across the front of the defence from left to right before laying it off. It's lazy play, it's passing the buck to other players to make things happen.
He's picked to play as a wide forward to make a difference, not play neat and tidy football. If he can get back to what he used to do then great.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: GLewis on May 13, 2017, 01:15:34 AM
Contract until June 2020.

Sensible.
Title: Re: Mirallas
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 13, 2017, 01:17:32 AM
https://twitter.com/bbcmerseysport/status/863095237467676672