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Title: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 06:46:09 PM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/922771072415686656 :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
I'm not sure how this is panning out at the moment, but I'm quite sure he and his agents will be watching the way things are going with much more interest. What with all this upheaval, and the events that are taking place.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bigmanbob on October 24, 2017, 06:55:53 PM
I've got to be honest, it's not top of my priorities at the moment, it pales into insignificance until we get a new manager
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: boothill on October 24, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
Hope not , i think hes a lot better than was brought in
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 24, 2017, 07:00:55 PM
Really hoping he stays, i love him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 07:01:33 PM
I've got to be honest, it's not top of my priorities at the moment, it pales into insignificance until we get a new manager



I just want to make sure he's not forgotten in all of the changes that will be taking place. You don't have to vote mate. I'm interested in what other people think, now that the whole situation's up in the air.  :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bigmanbob on October 24, 2017, 07:03:10 PM


I just want to make sure he's not forgotten in all of the changes that will be taking place. You don't have to vote mate. I'm interested what other people think now that the whole situation is up in the air.  :)
Fair do's :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:14:03 PM
Roberto told him he would an England great in the future, so we can't afford to let him slip away.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on October 24, 2017, 07:17:53 PM
Well with Koeman gone he can now sign that contract now can't he.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on October 24, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
I hope so, but I doubt it.

More of a chance now than before though.

Weíd have to pay him well over the top in terms of wages and hope we can sign a really inspirational manager.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 24, 2017, 07:41:14 PM
No - he's ready for the north circular
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: plumber on October 24, 2017, 07:41:51 PM
Of course he'll sign! Everton's future is much brighter now than it was a year or half a year ago.





Wait a minute.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 07:45:19 PM
Plumber, you are plumbing the depths of optimism.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: phillyt on October 24, 2017, 08:17:24 PM
I think he will consider staying if the manager comes in and shows he supports and values Ross. I donít think it will take too much for the right man to convince him to sign, even if itís maybe a one or two year extension to see how it goes. And then at the end of this season itís not working out we sell him on for a reasonable fee. Maybe a release cause of say 30/35m.  Obviously Iím sitting on the fence somewhat here but I guess until the new manager is found we just donít know what the direction the team is going to be taken.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 24, 2017, 08:19:09 PM
i'm pretty sure he will.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 24, 2017, 08:32:40 PM
London bound.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 24, 2017, 08:33:58 PM
Roberto told him he would an England great in the future, so we can't afford to let him slip away.

Should we re sign tom cleverley?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 08:46:45 PM
Roberto told him he would an England great in the future, so we can't afford to let him slip away.

Luckily we've still got the best one on one defender at the club on the books. Shame he's at Sunderland like.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: TheTone on October 24, 2017, 08:55:51 PM
a cuppa and a chat with Unsie and it'll be sorted, will send some Barrys Teabags over, don't need any of that Tetley shite
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 08:57:44 PM
Blimey do Sunderland know that? They should play him as they are heading into Division 3. I think Oveido has survived out of the EFC contingent, oh and Rodwell is playing. What the hell happened to him since he left us? 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 24, 2017, 09:03:45 PM
Instead of him going to Pochettino, maybe Pochettino can come here?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Robioto on October 24, 2017, 09:04:50 PM
I think the damage is already done, he'll still go.

I really hope not though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 24, 2017, 09:22:27 PM
A bit of a turmoil in the last few weeks but let's not forget Ross has never fulfilled his potential , never other than a spark here and one there .Will he ever get there ? At his age the chances are getting slimmer .His only hope is that he get's his act together . For me at this moment I wouldn't blink if he went ,he needs to prove himself worthy of all the adulation on here .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
A bit of a turmoil in the last few weeks but let's not forget Ross has never fulfilled his potential , never other than a spark here and one there .Will he ever get there ? At his age the chances are getting slimmer .His only hope is that he get's his act together . For me at this moment I wouldn't blink if he went ,he needs to prove himself worthy of all the adulation on here .



He should be fit soon. He'll have until January to show us if he's improved at all. He's better than some we've got when he's not playing so well though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 24, 2017, 09:29:57 PM


He should be fit soon. He'll have until January to show us if he's improved at all. He's better than some we've got when he's not playing so well though.
But that isn't what we want is it really ,we don't just want better we want good enough to win something .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 24, 2017, 09:34:10 PM
He's be stupid not to really. The midfield is poor enough for him to break in to.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Gash on October 24, 2017, 09:38:44 PM
I think he'll stay now. Depends how many bridges he burned or whether it was just Koeman he fell out with? It would be a bit ironic if he got his wish of Koeman leaving and the club still didn't go back with a contract offer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 24, 2017, 09:39:46 PM
But that isn't what we want is it really ,we don't just want better we want good enough to win something .



If he's playing at his peak, he'll deserve a place in a trophy winning team. I'd bet my house on it if I didn't live in a Flat.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: formerKHL on October 24, 2017, 09:41:53 PM
my recall of the situation was Ross didn't want a new contract....a situation not solely brought on by koeman..his decision was obviously made prior to the end of the season....

the situation was subsequently exacerbated by Koeman and his attitude towards him...ie; sign or you'll be sold attitude....

for me what was said was irrelevant as ross had already made his mind up to leave...you could argue that keomans "treatment" of ross by leaving him out substituting him etc, brought on the frame of mind by ross of wanting to leave....if that's the case why would ross expect not to be left out or taken off..what makes him so special for this not to happen...and does he expect this not to happen if he goes to another club..? and if it does will he want to leave them..why would koeman leaving change that attitude?

hope he stays though
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on October 24, 2017, 09:47:28 PM
my recall of the situation was Ross didn't want a new contract....a situation not solely brought on by koeman..his decision was obviously made prior to the end of the season....

the situation was subsequently exacerbated by Koeman and his attitude towards him...ie; sign or you'll be sold attitude....

for me what was said was irrelevant as ross had already made his mind up to leave...you could argue that keomans "treatment" of ross by leaving him out substituting him etc, brought on the frame of mind by ross of wanting to leave....if that's the case why would ross expect not to be left out or taken off..what makes him so special for this not to happen...and does he expect this not to happen if he goes to another club..? and if it does will he want to leave them..why would koeman leaving change that attitude?

hope he stays though

Just similar to what I thought really, expect the young Spurs players were in his ear on the England trips last year. Think people were making excuses for him because he's a blue, truth probably is he just wants to better himself, you know champions league and such.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 24, 2017, 09:48:14 PM
He's be stupid not to really. The midfield is poor enough for him to break in to.

Come in Number 10 your time is up.........
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on October 24, 2017, 10:06:09 PM
Get him to sign then sell him in January .😅😅
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 24, 2017, 10:18:43 PM
I think he will wait and see, which is only sensible.  I owe him an apology for siding with Koeman over the summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on October 24, 2017, 10:21:42 PM
A bit of a turmoil in the last few weeks but let's not forget Ross has never fulfilled his potential , never other than a spark here and one there .Will he ever get there ? At his age the chances are getting slimmer .His only hope is that he get's his act together . For me at this moment I wouldn't blink if he went ,he needs to prove himself worthy of all the adulation on here .

I was one of his harshest critics but looking at what we've bought to replace him I think we should be making overtures for him to re-sign.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ridge on October 24, 2017, 10:22:53 PM
He'll stay, how's he not going to be convinced?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 10:45:30 PM
When his dream of getting on the Spurs bench turns to shit, he might sign.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 24, 2017, 10:54:54 PM
All i know for sure is none of us know. I think there's more chance now but depends why and with whom he fell out.
Spurs might cash in on Delli so he'd replace him??? Who knows.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:02:46 PM
As you say none of us know. I have binned my crystal ball for fear of what I might see in it.  Nobody has dropped a hint when Barkley will be fit again have they? Surely it must be before Coleman and Bolassie. If not it must have been a hell of a hamstring injury.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 24, 2017, 11:06:44 PM
Ross wanting to leave had nothing to do with Koeman. Just an easy narrative to blame it on Koeman as the bad guy. Truth is Ross just doesnít want to be here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:13:43 PM
Maybe, or maybe Ross is a delicate flower and Koeman was too nasty for him. Unsie will butter him up with a regular first team place which he won't get anywhere else worth going to.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: youngysenior on October 24, 2017, 11:15:54 PM
Ross wanting to leave had nothing to do with Koeman. Just an easy narrative to blame it on Koeman as the bad guy. Truth is Ross just doesn't want to be here.
How do you know that?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:17:42 PM
We are all guessing to pass the time away.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bluedylan on October 24, 2017, 11:20:29 PM
We are all talking shite and making stuff up to pass the time away.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on October 24, 2017, 11:31:58 PM

That's what the forums are best for 😅😅
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on October 24, 2017, 11:35:22 PM
Yeahh!! If Koeman had joined us he might have done better.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Simon Paul on October 25, 2017, 12:03:29 AM
signs a new deal on December 31st

scores a screamer in the next game and runs and jumps into Rhino's arms to celebrate
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 25, 2017, 12:06:25 AM
IF he stays i hope everyone gets behind the lad, he has time to put Martinez and Koeman and injuries behind him and be very very good, has done nowt wrong for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 12:25:27 AM
It's quite amazing how quickly it might have turned from shit to gold. But after year of criticisms, benching and attacks, a shout of 'come home' was probably as that was needed.

It wasn't the club, as witnessed by Koeman's threat to sell him. It was appreciation and respect of manager, he's got that now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 25, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
How do you know that?
Because he rejected the contract months before Koeman arrived.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: youngysenior on October 25, 2017, 12:39:05 AM
Because he rejected the contract months before Koeman arrived.
Oh, ok.👍👍
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 25, 2017, 01:08:52 AM
Is Barkley match fit these days?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: smellybum on October 25, 2017, 01:14:55 AM
One thing that might be in the lads head is the idiotic rant from our owner on the deadline day to Jim White. That might add an extra £10000 a week to his asking price to forgive him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 25, 2017, 01:17:13 AM
Is Barkley match fit these days?
Still on the bike so no, nowhere near
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ridge on October 25, 2017, 01:23:20 AM
I think Martinez and Koeman adopted the fellatio technique to keep Lukaku from the door, while simultaneously expecting Ross to produce something out of his arse.

I mean Cuco, Stek, Schneiderlin might be sad to begin with, but I think even he's more loyal players will quickly get on board. Every player has a fresh opportunity to impress and I don't see many ignoring that, I think Unsworth said 5 minutes was what it took.

The deadwood was the manager and he's gone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: christiffa25 on October 25, 2017, 02:03:46 AM
Ross's problem was Koeman I'm sure of it. I fully expect him to sign.

Hope so anyway....he's better than the other 3 No.10's we signed. And I love him!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: TheRam on October 25, 2017, 02:46:24 AM
I'm struggling to be that arsed tbh.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on October 25, 2017, 04:00:55 AM
I'm struggling to be that arsed tbh.





Being miserable is a struggle. I loved the idea of Koeman coming here, I love the fact that he's gone. Cheer up.  I am. :woohoo:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 25, 2017, 04:03:35 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/10/24/11/45A12BF000000578-5011743-Everton_midfielder_Ross_Barkley_was_filmed_on_an_exercise_bike_b-a-26_1508841740887.jpg)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 25, 2017, 04:09:09 AM
I think Martinez and Koeman adopted the fellatio technique to keep Lukaku from the door, while simultaneously expecting Ross to produce something out of his arse.

Barkley was one of Martinez favourites
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 25, 2017, 04:20:24 AM
Think he said Ross would be England's greatest player.

I hope he stays but I'm not deluding myself that he's the answer to much. At least on the last few years form.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on October 25, 2017, 05:07:44 AM
Think he said Ross would be England's greatest player.

I hope he stays but I'm not deluding myself that he's the answer to much. At least on the last few years form.

I personally have accepted Ross Barkley as our lord and saviour and urge you too also.

With his open chance creations he wakes us from our slumber, with his powerful running from deep he moves us closer to the promised land, and with his long distance strikes he punishes those who would trespass against us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Major Clanger on October 25, 2017, 05:12:39 AM
Barkley was one of Martinez favourites

Aye, but that didn't necessarily help either. He went too far over the top.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 25, 2017, 06:14:15 AM
Loved the way Unsi spoke about him in the presser.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blargins on October 25, 2017, 06:28:37 AM
Loved the way Unsi spoke about him in the presser.

I think he'll stay if Unsworth gets the job.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jamokachi on October 25, 2017, 06:39:49 AM
I think he'll stay if Unsworth gets the job.

I hope so.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 25, 2017, 11:39:15 AM
Aye, but that didn't necessarily help either. He went too far over the top.

Fully agree
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on October 25, 2017, 12:26:02 PM
A £10 million signing on fee with Spurs will be tempting though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 25, 2017, 01:33:06 PM
Are we forgetting that Moshiri threw him under the bus in Aug/Sept?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: formerKHL on October 27, 2017, 08:26:59 PM
Read the title of this thread and laughed to meself...

Just picturing in me head a knock on Ross's front door and he opens it to Rhino and Big Dunc standing there dressed as bouncers saying...

"Do you wanna pen?".........
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on October 27, 2017, 09:10:11 PM
Reading Unsworth comments about him being 3 to 4 weeks away I would be annoyed if he played him (if still in charge) if he hasnt committed by then. Personally I think hes gone and I dont want us to invest anymore time in him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 27, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
Are we forgetting that Moshiri threw him under the bus in Aug/Sept?

An earnest apology can set things right.  It's something that grown men should do much more often.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 27, 2017, 10:27:59 PM
How do you know that?
A few clues
1/ would not sign a new 100,000 a week contract
2/ went to Chelsea for a medical
3/ says he wanted to go to Spurs
and 4/ Most importantly has shown no sign since Koeman went that he feels any different
I am quite happy he is on his bike!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 27, 2017, 10:39:21 PM
A few clues
1/ would not sign a new 100,000 a week contract
2/ went to Chelsea for a medical
3/ says he wanted to go to Spurs
and 4/ Most importantly has shown no sign since Koeman went that he feels any different
I am quite happy he is on his bike!

When did he say he wanted to go spurs?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on October 27, 2017, 10:40:51 PM
A few clues
1/ would not sign a new 100,000 a week contract
2/ went to Chelsea for a medical
3/ says he wanted to go to Spurs
and 4/ Most importantly has shown no sign since Koeman went that he feels any different
I am quite happy he is on his bike!

1-3 happened on Koeman's watch. Maybe it was a coincidence and he was just done.

However, let's face it from Day 1 pretty much he was Koeman's whipping boy and the one that was dropped and/or chewed out in the media. Koeman tried to get in Sigurdsson in pretty much every transfer window before this one so maybe he knew he was for the chop as soon as his replacement came in and started making plans.

Regarding 4, he's not said anything before or after in public so nothing has really changed there. Personally I don't mind that, I'd rather he dealt with the club directly than via Twitter.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on October 27, 2017, 10:44:10 PM
If he wants to have a better chance of winning trophies, improve as a player and forge an England career he'll go to Spurs.

No brainer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2017, 10:44:57 PM
Didn't Koeman give him the captain's armband for a couple of games?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blargins on October 27, 2017, 11:08:20 PM
Didn't Koeman give him the captain's armband for a couple of games?

Yeah, I think he asked him to take it over to Leighton.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 27, 2017, 11:16:14 PM

1-3 happened on Koeman's watch. Maybe it was a coincidence and he was just done.

However, let's face it from Day 1 pretty much he was Koeman's whipping boy and the one that was dropped and/or chewed out in the media. Koeman tried to get in Sigurdsson in pretty much every transfer window before this one so maybe he knew he was for the chop as soon as his replacement came in and started making plans.

Regarding 4, he's not said anything before or after in public so nothing has really changed there. Personally I don't mind that, I'd rather he dealt with the club directly than via Twitter.
Well you would have if he would indeed have dealt with the club ! So personally I think he wants to go and in fact a lot has changed .He has allowed himself to be shown on the media smiling and made no -well at least as far as we know -and that is all we deal in here really isn't it -sign of any pen to paper . Which I unequivocally hope he doesn't unless it is to make a quick buck for the club ,ala Moyes!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 27, 2017, 11:19:44 PM
If he wants to have a better chance of winning trophies, improve as a player and forge an England career he'll go to Spurs.

No brainer.
I think you have hit the nail on the head ,all the squad players get a medal .If he wants to be a special player he should stay with his boyhood club and prove me wrong .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 27, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
Couldn't have been Leighton, he didn't play against Yeovil
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on October 27, 2017, 11:25:04 PM
I think you have hit the nail on the head ,all the squad players get a medal .If he wants to be a special player he should stay with his boyhood club and prove me wrong .

So if he stays he's a special player but if he goes to Spurs he's suddenly not that good anymore and only a squad player. Right, okay.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: toffee_scot on October 27, 2017, 11:54:38 PM
We'll see what happens, at the moment though he has to compete with about 3-4 other players in his position. Unsworth could be influential but that will depend on whether he gets the job or not.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Heisenberg on October 28, 2017, 05:41:31 AM
So if he stays he's a special player but if he goes to Spurs he's suddenly not that good anymore and only a squad player. Right, okay.

I think Its more the fact that the players spurs have are better, which will make him a squad player
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue1948 on October 28, 2017, 10:42:07 AM
So if he stays he's a special player but if he goes to Spurs he's suddenly not that good anymore and only a squad player. Right, okay.
Did you read the end of my post .I don't think he will ever be that player ,here or wherever
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on October 28, 2017, 03:20:30 PM
I think you have hit the nail on the head ,all the squad players get a medal .If he wants to be a special player he should stay with his boyhood club and prove me wrong .
According to Stubbs be turned down Chelsea as he was worried about the lack of game time, I fail to see how different that'll be at spurs? He's not good enough for that level at the moment and he should realise that
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueForYou on October 28, 2017, 03:47:07 PM
He's banking that he will be good enough for Spurs
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 29, 2017, 01:19:09 AM
Reading Unsworth comments about him being 3 to 4 weeks away I would be annoyed if he played him (if still in charge) if he hasnt committed by then. Personally I think hes gone and I dont want us to invest anymore time in him

Yeah - I'd hate it if he helped us win some football matches while he's still here.

Would much rather he got paid his obscene Premiership footballer's wages just to fuck about at Finch Farm having massages and jacuzzis and shit.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on October 29, 2017, 01:47:31 AM
Not really arsed tbh. .I think of he was gonna sign hed have done it the day Koeman left to prove a point ...won't be anywhere near a starter anywhere above us unless he can play like he did for twenty mins against Newcastle about two years ago .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Cereal Killer on October 29, 2017, 02:11:04 AM
Newcastle's potential new owners are picturing him as a marquee signing....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on October 29, 2017, 02:16:31 AM
Yeah - I'd hate it if he helped us win some football matches while he's still here.

Would much rather he got paid his obscene Premiership footballer's wages just to fuck about at Finch Farm having massages and jacuzzis and shit.
If he's 3 to 4 weeks away that brings us to the beginning of December almost. It'd take a good 6 games to get up to match speed by which time he'd be ready to sign for spurs or anyone else. I'd rather focus on players that want to be here, not get others match fit so they're ready to go when they sign for another club. I don't understand why you'd differ? Shall we bring him back, build the team around him then be back to square one in January but with a disillusioned Sigurdson or another player that does want to be here?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ridge on October 29, 2017, 02:25:34 AM
I think you have to expect some resistance, in a sort of "actually Ross, we've moved on and everything is great now" kind of way. and a "you never called as much as I wanted anyway".

Except we've been getting bummed by everyone who comes over and the weaknesses in the team are Ross' strengths. Even if we are hoping to get better players long term, in the short term, he's got what we need. And longer term, he will still be very useful, even when we have better options.

Barkley's position was always love Everton, hate Koeman. Koeman was threatening to sell him, imagine him saying that to Lukaku as a means to get him to stay.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 29, 2017, 02:42:09 AM
Barkley's position was always love Everton, hate Koeman.

Pure speculation based on absolutely fuck all.

The talks actually began when Martinez was still manager.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/05/roberto-martinez-ross-barkley-everton-contract
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bluenuck on October 29, 2017, 02:46:45 AM


Barkley's position was always love Everton, hate Koeman. Koeman was threatening to sell him, imagine him saying that to Lukaku as a means to get him to stay.

He didn't really threaten him. He said if Barkley didn't sign the contract, which koeman actually said he wanted him to, then he'd be forced to sell him and not let him just walk for nothing the next season which would have made all of us even more livid.

I really don't get where this myth of koeman not liking Ross and treating him terribly has come from. Koeman had always said Ross was a good player, and always said he wanted Ross to stay.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: hamshank33 on October 29, 2017, 03:28:52 AM
Some players need the carrot,  Ross is one of them.  Koeman had shit man management skills. That's not speculation. It was and is plain to see.all he had was the stick or the door.  Oumar is better at dealing with that shit than Ross. And further more if he didn't have three players on him at all times  last season whilst still always showing for the ball and charging forward only for big Rom to point somewhere  but not run anywhere to make space he would have been much more affective.  Which was quite alot anyway. He would  have more options  more people showing for the ball and less people on him as they would have more people to cover.he wouldn't  be the only one moving forward in this team,so more affective.  But there are no shortage  of winging fucks who would still get on his case. "fucking Ross always trying  to take people on and losing the ball" or "fucking crabs always playing  the ball sideways and backward" make your mind up.  Anyway  I would love him to stay maybe we can improve in a couple of years and people can start sucking our cocks instead of Spurs. They have built a good team over the last five years but FFS get a grip little we were competing with villa for 5th for quite a few years and then we'll be competing with Tottenham now they have kicked on but lets not get to f****** carried away with ourselves or do we all work for the London media as well. Going to emulate Ari and sign off with BIG LOVE ,hamshank😀
Title: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 11, 2017, 03:37:47 AM
Just watching England and Loftus-Cheek has a bit of the Ross Barkleys about him.

Strong, balanced, both footed, good technique, likely to get dropped in town for shaggin another lad's bird.. etc etc

All the key attributes.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on November 11, 2017, 03:55:47 AM
Just watching England and Loftus-Cheek has a bit of the Ross Barkleys about him.

Strong, balanced, both footed, good technique, likely to get dropped in town for shaggin another lad's bird.. etc etc

All the key attributes.

I was hoping in the summer we might ask for him in part-exchange if Lukaku went to Chelsea. We lack any real physical presence in the middle of the park and he looks like he might turn into a player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on November 11, 2017, 04:24:04 AM
Just watching England and Loftus-Cheek has a bit of the Ross Barkleys about him.

Strong, balanced, both footed, good technique, likely to get dropped in town for shaggin another lad's bird.. etc etc

All the key attributes.

Yeah i agree. Quite like him.

Barkley light years above him, like.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 11, 2017, 05:36:38 AM
Yeah i agree. Quite like him.

Barkley light years above him, like.

I wouldn't say so... Barkley is easily the better dribbler yeah, but Loftus-Cheek looks like he has that awareness that Ross seems to lack.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 11, 2017, 05:47:23 AM
People talk as if Barkley has never made an assist in his life.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on November 11, 2017, 05:52:21 AM
People talk as if Barkley has never made an assist in his life.

No I rate Barkley. Just wouldn't say he was "light years" ahead.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Nick on November 11, 2017, 06:46:28 AM
Hope he stays.  An outstanding talent.

That said, I would fully understand his decision to leave.  I think Koeman shat on him, plus I don't buy into all this talk of disloyalty when players move on...it's their job ffs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on November 11, 2017, 06:54:05 AM
No I rate Barkley. Just wouldn't say he was "light years" ahead.

Yeah man thatís cool, Iíve got no issue with your post. More of a grumble built up over time than a swipe at yours. I didnít quote the post for that reason.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 11, 2017, 05:48:17 PM
answer is obvious yes!

(please dont let me down Ross!)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blargins on November 11, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
If anything, his hand just got even stronger given the players who are on well over 100k a week doing absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on November 11, 2017, 07:10:19 PM
Will he won't he what? Play for us again? I hope so. If we are paying him a salary and he is declared fit he must put an Everton shirt on again. By now we should have been given a clear idea when he will be available again. Maybe they have said so but I didn't see it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on November 11, 2017, 07:59:23 PM
Hope he stays.  An outstanding talent.

That said, I would fully understand his decision to leave.  I think Koeman shat on him, plus I don't buy into all this talk of disloyalty when players move on...it's their job ffs.

Agree with the first line. Koeman has been sacked and is well gone now, so that is no longer a reason, disloyalty probably right, being an Evertonian doesn't mean much to players now, probably the same for most other home grown players as well, well except for the trophy winning teams player's anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on November 11, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Sandro is probably being paid more than what Barkley was asking for. Just to highlight the absurdity of Everton Football Club at the minute.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: ally2 on November 12, 2017, 12:54:42 AM
Sandro is probably being paid more than what Barkley was asking for. Just to highlight the absurdity of Everton Football Club at the minute.

Err No.  Perfectly logical reasons for it but carry on
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2017, 01:02:22 AM
Imho if the club thought it was about money ,Ross would've signed by now and they would both be happy ...if it was 'just' about the money .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Gash on November 12, 2017, 01:18:46 AM
Imho if the club thought it was about money ,Ross would've signed by now and they would both be happy ...if it was 'just' about the money .

Don't get that logic? If it was just about Koeman I'd agree, the fact he hasn't signed would suggest there's more to it. Money and a new challenge probably being top of the list.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on November 12, 2017, 01:20:18 AM
Sandro is probably being paid more than what Barkley was asking for. Just to highlight the absurdity of Everton Football Club at the minute.

Is your second sentence based on anything other than pure speculation ? Pretty dammning if it is.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2017, 01:29:06 AM
Don't get that logic? If it was just about Koeman I'd agree, the fact he hasn't signed would suggest there's more to it. Money and a new challenge probably being top of the list.

Do mean the fact he hasn't signed ... since Koeman left?

He's probably waiting to make sure we don't appoint Sam fucking Allardyce.

I don't think he'll sign like, he's obviously heading for Spurs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2017, 01:31:27 AM
Do mean the fact he hasn't signed ... since Koeman left?

He's probably waiting to make sure we don't appoint Sam fucking Allardyce.

I don't think he'll sign like, he's obviously heading for Spurs.
My thoughts exactly ...nowt to do with Koeman just Ross was/is unhappy .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bluenuck on November 12, 2017, 01:53:01 AM
Don't get that logic? If it was just about Koeman I'd agree, the fact he hasn't signed would suggest there's more to it. Money and a new challenge probably being top of the list.

Yup. Everything we've read, seen and heard would lead us to this conclusion. A chance to win trophies and make more money at the same Time.

But yet people are still going on about this myth that he hated koeman and vice versa.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: phillyt on November 12, 2017, 02:50:42 AM
My thoughts exactly ...nowt to do with Koeman just Ross was/is unhappy .
But why was he unhappy?

I get that talks started before Martinez left but in reality the players would have known he was on his way out. With more than 2 years left on a contract no footballer is likely to accept the first offer and the club are not going to be overly desperate to tie him down urgently. 
I have been told that Ross and a couple of players were comparing koeman to nazis. So obviously the relationship was strained and koeman being the man he is probably handled it as badly as Ross.
The other issue was that koeman was happy to take or leave Ross. Hence an offer that was good but not what he wanted. The manager may have been saying all the right things in pressers etc but with a lowball (in Ross eyes) offer he would have known what he was doing. As has been said I think depending on the new boss the clubs position might be revised to something more acceptable to Ross.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2017, 05:49:33 PM
But why was he unhappy?

I get that talks started before Martinez left but in reality the players would have known he was on his way out. With more than 2 years left on a contract no footballer is likely to accept the first offer and the club are not going to be overly desperate to tie him down urgently. 
I have been told that Ross and a couple of players were comparing koeman to nazis. So obviously the relationship was strained and koeman being the man he is probably handled it as badly as Ross.
The other issue was that koeman was happy to take or leave Ross. Hence an offer that was good but not what he wanted. The manager may have been saying all the right things in pressers etc but with a lowball (in Ross eyes) offer he would have known what he was doing. As has been said I think depending on the new boss the clubs position might be revised to something more acceptable to Ross.
Still think if he was arsed about signing he would've done after Koeman was sacked .
Although I make no bones about not rating him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on November 12, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
What if he hates the new manager, too?  One would expect him to at least wait for the permanent appointment.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 12, 2017, 08:35:20 PM
What if he hates the new manager, too?  One would expect him to at least wait for the permanent appointment.
Then a splintered arse on the spurs bench awaits 😅
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on November 12, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
It is ludicrous to think that Barkley would get in any of the current top 4 or 5 teams, so unless he regards sitting on their bench as career progression it is hard to see what he can gain by leaving, except maybe a signing on fee. He might even be thinking longer term by hoping he could eventually improve to the required level to make their first team and earn medals which he will probably never get at Everton.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on November 12, 2017, 09:53:31 PM
It is ludicrous to think that Barkley would get in any of the current top 4 or 5 teams, so unless he regards sitting on their bench as career progression it is hard to see what he can gain by leaving, except maybe a signing on fee. He might even be thinking longer term by hoping he could eventually improve to the required level to make their first team and earn medals which he will probably never get at Everton.




I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to remember that Ross Barkley has been brought through his last four-five years or so; by two managers who failed dismally. I think Ross Barkley's development under two managers who have failed and both been sacked, could just possibly have a bearing on his development and form. I don't think you can lump Barkley with the complete responsibility of him being unhappy atm with his playing status.


Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on November 12, 2017, 10:02:57 PM
Err No.  Perfectly logical reasons for it but carry on

Of course there are logical reasons for it but the situation is what it is.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Shogun on November 12, 2017, 10:09:13 PM
If Sissoko can find a way into the Spurs side then so can Barkley.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Toddacelli on November 14, 2017, 10:31:15 PM
Had a dream the other night that Barkley joined Man City.

He was awesome in the middle with that Fernandinho and they beat Newcastle 6-0.

I really want him to be a part of our revitalised form post-Christmas and sign a 2-year with a buy-out clause over a certain amount. i.e. - will will get cash money for him, but we won't stand in his way if he really wants to go.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 15, 2017, 12:55:56 AM
Ross will either leave in Jan for peanuts or in the summer for free. Theyíre the only 2 options. Quite likely heíll not play for the club again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on November 15, 2017, 01:54:51 AM
Ross will either leave in Jan for peanuts or in the summer for free. They're the only 2 options. Quite likely he'll not play for the club again.
Yep. Tbh I don't really care what he does, but it'd be refreshing for him to sign a pre contract with someone abroad. He isn't getting a game anywhere else better than us in England but he could really make a name for himself at a champions league team in Spain or Italy, similar to what Nzonzi did. English players tend not to think outside the box and want the easy life, which I think is to the detriment of the national team
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on November 15, 2017, 02:14:39 AM
...give a fuck ...., in the words of Gordon Strachan," I've  far more important things to think about, there's a joghurt in my fridge that expires tomorrow"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on November 15, 2017, 05:44:12 AM
It is ludicrous to think that Barkley would get in any of the current top 4 or 5 teams, so unless he regards sitting on their bench as career progression it is hard to see what he can gain by leaving, except maybe a signing on fee. He might even be thinking longer term by hoping he could eventually improve to the required level to make their first team and earn medals which he will probably never get at Everton.

Working with a coach like Pochettino who might help him progress like the other players under his guidance? That's just for starters.

After working under Koeman and Martinez (polar opposites of each other in a way, both ultimately unsuccessful) I could see the temptation.

Sissoko is even getting CL game time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on November 15, 2017, 02:03:39 PM
Working with a coach like Pochettino who might help him progress like the other players under his guidance? That's just for starters.

After working under Koeman and Martinez (polar opposites of each other in a way, both ultimately unsuccessful) I could see the temptation.

Sissoko is even getting CL game time.

I struggle with this constant 'if Sissoko can do it anyone can' mentality, the bloke has 50+ caps for France, and he hasnt just accumulated these whilst working under 'God', aka Pochettino. Hes played at every level for his national team, he is a lot better than people give him credit for and he'd have walked straight into our team back then, and now. Barkley struggles to get into one of the worst England squads in decades and has been overlooked by more than 1 manager.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on November 15, 2017, 02:28:39 PM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didnít believe in Ďthe projectí enough to sign up to it. Heís going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on November 15, 2017, 05:45:24 PM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didn’t believe in ‘the project’ enough to sign up to it. He’s going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.

Not really. We finished 7th and were in with a shout of top 4 until about 6 weeks to go of the season, with a season in Europe to come and a new stadium planned. There was nothing to 'see through' as everything looked positive in the summer. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: mikey_blue on November 15, 2017, 06:05:38 PM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didn’t believe in ‘the project’ enough to sign up to it. He’s going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.

I highly doubt he's seen through Everton's plans. He didn't like Koeman, he doesn't like getting boo'd by fans for every little thing and he wants more money. His star hasn't went super nova and it's not like teams are falling over themselves to sign him. Two teams see him as a useful addition at a knock down rate. He'll ride the bench at Chelsea, or work with a world class manager who's going to try and turn him into Dembele's backup/ successor.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on November 15, 2017, 07:44:50 PM
I struggle with this constant 'if Sissoko can do it anyone can' mentality, the bloke has 50+ caps for France, and he hasnt just accumulated these whilst working under 'God', aka Pochettino. Hes played at every level for his national team, he is a lot better than people give him credit for and he'd have walked straight into our team back then, and now. Barkley struggles to get into one of the worst England squads in decades and has been overlooked by more than 1 manager.

Sissoko is just hit and miss, some would say like Barkley was the only correlation.

Bigger point is you could see the attraction of working under Pochettino at the moment, as well as the opportunity to be at a club who are playing CL football.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bluedylan on November 15, 2017, 08:29:20 PM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didnít believe in Ďthe projectí enough to sign up to it. Heís going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.

Let me put this delicately. You don't half talk some negative, miserablist shite. Where on earth are you getting this drivel from?

Regardless of our ups and downs, since Moshiri arrived we are in a significantly better position as a club than we were previously.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on November 16, 2017, 04:39:24 AM
Fair play to Ross, him and his advisors saw straight through the takeover and he obviously didn't believe in "the project' enough to sign up to it. He's going in one direction while we go in the other. Only got ourselves to blame.
Its a shame his advisors never said don't tap an angry piss head on the face in a darkened night club 😅😅.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 03, 2017, 05:06:54 AM
I donít think heís injured, I think thereís been a fall out and heís said he wonít play again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: ally2 on December 03, 2017, 05:10:10 AM
I don't think he's injured, I think there's been a fall out and he's said he won't play again.

Doubt it. He wouldn't get a wage would he?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: The Analog Kid on December 03, 2017, 05:12:43 AM
Iíve been told by a friend of a friend (of his) that heís deffo off in January, to Spurs.


EDIT: Iím not one for posting rumours or owt, but this lad is a good friend of Rossís, told him straight, heís going.

Always wondered why it was taking him so long to recover from a hamstring injury, maybe this is why. Quite gutted tbh.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 03, 2017, 06:54:09 AM
The talk of Spurs has rumbled on for about 18 months now, there must be something in it.

Reading between the lines - the Chelsea move on deadline day was something he wasnít remotely interested in so itís not like he just wanted any old move to any old club with better prospects. Heís obviously got a specific destination in mind. There are rumours that the Chelsea bid came out of the blue to Spurs and we (obviously to get a decent fee) tried to rail-road him into it. Levy spoke to Ross on his way to the medical and said they would be back in jan/summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bogie on December 03, 2017, 07:42:55 AM
he might want to rethink going to spurs if they don't get top 4 this year there will a few on the way out for sure
and there wage cap looks set in stone with the new ground beginning to be a bit of a sink hole
Title: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: mikey_blue on December 03, 2017, 08:44:32 AM
Can't stand the lad anymore. Just leave, we'll be fine, we've got Davy Klaassen. *Cries*
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bluenuck on December 03, 2017, 10:34:44 AM
he might want to rethink going to spurs if they don't get top 4 this year there will a few on the way out for sure
and there wage cap looks set in stone with the new ground beginning to be a bit of a sink hole

If Spurs shit the bed this season, and fail to win anything next season there could be a big exit of players, and even pochettino.

Chelsea would actually be the better spot for him as fabregas is there only true AM and he's 31 in May.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Thomas on December 03, 2017, 11:27:40 AM
I can't see him staying. At all. Signing on fee he would recieve would be too much for him to miss out on.

I still cant understand why Spurs over Chelsea, particularly as Spurs have a more congested midfield.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Goaljira on December 03, 2017, 01:44:53 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11154484/sam-allardyce-suggests-deal-may-already-be-done-for-ross-barkley-to-leave-everton
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 03, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
He might be keeping fit for the move? I'll be sad to see him go but unless Spurs sell one of their mid's he might struggle for game time.. maybe Eriksons off to Barca?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on December 03, 2017, 02:45:36 PM
Been out an awful long time with this injury, would be a bit weird if he never played for us throughout December and is fit right away for either Spurs / Chelsea if / when he signs for them.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 03, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
He might be keeping fit for the move? I'll be sad to see him go but unless Spurs sell one of their mid's he might struggle for game time.. maybe Eriksons off to Barca?
Thatís not a bad theory actually. They coordinate it so Barkley comes in as a direct replacement for Ericsson. Sell Ericsson for £80m, get Barkley for £15m. Tidy. Bit of am assumption that Poch can get Barkley up to Ericssonís level though.

Itís all a bit odd. It canít be about money as our contract proposal was as good as anything Spurs can offer. And he couldíve doubled his wages 18 months ago if heíd actually signed that contact - think how much money heís missed out on by running down his contact. If he was off to City for £300k a week it wouldíve been worth it but very much doubt thatís the case.

If it was only about winning medals and playing CL, heíd have just joined Chelsea.

He might really want to play for Poch but would you put your career on hold for 18 months just to work under a manager that could leave at any time?

There might be a left-field move from someone like Barca. Now heís pretty much available on a pre-contact deal - it would be a pretty risk free move for them. If it didnít work out for him, they could just sell him on. Deulofeu is getting game time so donít see why Ross couldnít get minutes over there.

Only thing Iím certain of, and have been all along, it that heís off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 03, 2017, 05:36:29 PM
Still gutted.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 03, 2017, 05:42:49 PM
If Sam can't change his mind one his one to one player talks ...then bye Ross ...enjoy spurs bench and recovery room ...careful nose tapping piss heads in clubs down south though .😅.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on December 03, 2017, 05:59:56 PM
I don't think he's even been spotted siting in the stands all these months, clearly doesn't give a shit about us, good riddance.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: sam of the south on December 03, 2017, 06:11:34 PM
It was obvious he was waiting for Spurs in the summer.

Fuck Spurs and fuck him then.

I love him, though, and would be made up if he stayed, but Spurs knew he wanted to go there, told him to sit tight and move on a free, and he clearly feels no remorse in doing so.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: velimski on December 03, 2017, 06:23:58 PM
Been so long since he played it feels like he's actually left already.

Should help soften the blow when he inevitably does leave.

Not too keen on seeing him play for anyone else mind.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: sam of the south on December 03, 2017, 06:29:14 PM
Been so long since he played it feels like he's actually left already.

Should help soften the blow when he inevitably does leave.

Not too keen on seeing him play for anyone else mind.

Yeah, it's gonna hurt that one, particularly at that media darling club with their irritating fans who are often on a par arrogance-wise with shite and United supporters.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on December 03, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
Think Allerdyce has put his feelers out so to speak, saying that the deal for him to go could be already done. Now if it's not, Barkley or his agent should refute that suggestion right away, if it's true, well him and his agent can just keep quiet....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 03, 2017, 07:16:05 PM
Barkley joins Spurs, Pochettino goes to PSG with Alderweireld, Erikksen to Barca, Kane to Real and Spurs drop to a mid table club that won't pay wages to get the top players in

Everton get their shit together and invest and replace Spurs in the top 6

Karma
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on December 03, 2017, 07:43:56 PM
Moving to Spurs is not necessarily a slam dunk it was even 6 months ago. No certainty theyíll make the CL this year, Dele Alli trying to get his super agent deal last I heard (so likely angling for a move down the line), plus others like Alderweireld likely going in the summer. Who knows about Pochettino either.

Spurs are on a bit of a knife edge, they might win something and keep their upward trajectory. On the other side I could see a mini-implosion where they lose a bunch of players and have a few (prime Barkley years) in the wilderness.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Brownie20 on December 03, 2017, 07:52:51 PM
I've said it before on here but I don't think he has the mentality to be a truly top player. He's obviously a confidence player but he needs to develop an inner steel to deal with things when they are going wrong. Will be sad to see him go but not devastated
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: therealdunc on December 03, 2017, 09:25:45 PM
Think itís clear after Big Sams comments to the Sky interviewer yesterday that Barkley is gone in Jan.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: TheRam on December 03, 2017, 10:23:42 PM
He's a rat
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 03, 2017, 10:34:43 PM
Can't wait for an end to this.

Shittest contract saga of all time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 03, 2017, 10:45:43 PM
He must have the most complicated groin in medical history.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: mikey_blue on December 03, 2017, 10:48:20 PM
I'll deffo boo him on his return to Goodison. Not because I'm a cunt, but because he's probably one of the only players it will actually work on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: cantoffee on December 03, 2017, 11:00:15 PM
Pretty sad that we seem to have produced the best talent of the last two generations in England and both will leave without reaching their potential.

I still hope he stays but certainly looks like he's gone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 03, 2017, 11:28:46 PM
Pretty sad that we seem to have produced the best talent of the last two generations in England and both will leave without reaching their potential.

And who are they?

If you're talking about Barkley, he's nowhere fucking near the best talent of the last 2 generations.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: chang on December 03, 2017, 11:54:33 PM
Would he not of signed weeks ago if it were happening? Might as well sit around on your arse "injured" earning £100k rather than £30k
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: MrWhite on December 04, 2017, 06:22:45 AM
This is like a game of chinese whispers. Barkley started it off by saying.. absolutely nothing. By the end of the line itís a 200 page PDF detailing his every thought and subsequent judgement. All based on no actual facts whatsoever?

Who is Allerdyce btw? :headbang:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ravardo on December 04, 2017, 06:47:58 AM
I don't think he's even been spotted siting in the stands all these months, clearly doesn't give a shit about us, good riddance.

Mate of mines just come back from dubai before the weekend and said he see him out there partying with mark davies from bolton
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 04, 2017, 06:56:13 AM
Thread title might as well be, "Ross Barkley -- Who is he?"

IIRC, Big Sam was the one who cut Ross from the England squad, so I can't image either party is much interested in keeping Ross around Everton.

Shame how it all went for Ross at Everton. A weird, damn shame.

Think Allerdyce has put his feelers out so to speak, saying that the deal for him to go could be already done. Now if it's not, Barkley or his agent should refute that suggestion right away, if it's true, well him and his agent can just keep quiet....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: kramer0 on December 04, 2017, 06:57:05 AM
Who is Allerdyce btw? :headbang:

Moshira hired him to be our new manager.

I don't think it'll be enough to keep Barclay, though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: oztoffee on December 04, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
 Ross Barley will he or won't he?
That was the question we all asked as lads about the slutty blonde girl who lived up the street. Turned out that she did, and she was the vicar's daughter too!

But about Ross: who gives a shit now?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Toddacelli on December 04, 2017, 02:24:29 PM
Ross Barley will he or won't he?
That was the question we all asked as lads about the slutty blonde girl who lived up the street. Turned out that she did, and she was the vicar's daughter too!

But about Ross: who gives a shit now?


Possibly the weirdest post I've seen for a long time   :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Macca77 on December 04, 2017, 02:30:52 PM
Hes off in January, nothing is gonna change his mind
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on December 04, 2017, 02:42:31 PM

Possibly the weirdest post I've seen for a long time   :)

"Will she won't she" gerrit?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 04, 2017, 03:10:52 PM
Is it still Koemanís fault?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on December 04, 2017, 03:11:32 PM
Barkley joins Spurs, Pochettino goes to PSG with Alderweireld, Erikksen to Barca, Kane to Real and Spurs drop to a mid table club that won't pay wages to get the top players in

Everton get their shit together and invest and replace Spurs in the top 6

Karma

Never gonna happen.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 04, 2017, 04:34:20 PM
Think Iím over it tbh just a shame we wonít get a very good return on him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on December 04, 2017, 04:38:44 PM
Mate of mines just come back from dubai before the weekend and said he see him out there partying with mark davies from bolton

Don't know if that's true or not but if you are picking up 30 grand a week for sitting on your arse it should be compulsory to attend every match even if just to keep in touch, he's recovering from a pulled hamstring (apparently?) not open heart surgery.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 04, 2017, 04:47:18 PM
Don't know if that's true or not but if you are picking up 30 grand a week for sitting on your arse it should be compulsory to attend every match even if just to keep in touch, he's recovering from a pulled hamstring (apparently?) not open heart surgery.
But the delicate little flower wouldn't dare show his face at Goodison for fear the bigger boys might boo him or call him names 😅😅
And at this point not even Jags would be a shoulder for him .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on December 04, 2017, 05:06:10 PM
Might just be a mutual agreement. Ross doesn't bust a gut to play and therefore get injured again and we get a pre-agreed fee for him in January. If the lad is genuinely injured and he's off then why would he or Everton try and rush back to fitness. Everton don't need him playing and he probably doesn't want to play. If there is £10m riding on it then it suits all parties to let it limp to it's natural conclusion. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 04, 2017, 05:30:26 PM
Gutted really for the club, the fans and for Ross, not really sure where to point the finger as we don't know everything that has gone on (The Chelsea farce at the end of the transfer window was weird too), I could have really seen him back doing what Rooney has been doing the last couple of games if he had got his head straight, its going to hurt seeing him doing that for another team.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on December 04, 2017, 06:07:41 PM
Gutted really for the club, the fans and for Ross, not really sure where to point the finger as we don't know everything that has gone on (The Chelsea farce at the end of the transfer window was weird too), I could have really seen him back doing what Rooney has been doing the last couple of games if he had got his head straight, its going to hurt seeing him doing that for another team.
The difference is Rooney has shown what he is capable of over 10+ years. It will be difficult, almost impossible, to see Ross doing that for another team as he hasnt done it for us in 5 years for more than 1 or 2 games at a time.
Ross has unquestionable talent but a very questionable mentality, hes a luxury player we can do without, and hes far too erratic player for any decent teams to rely on, for that reason I dont think he'll go to that next stage.
Id rather keep him but I dont think its the end of the world.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on December 04, 2017, 06:38:07 PM
Last year him and Lukaku were integral to everything we did offensively and we've scored the same amount of goals as this time last year. I don't think we've missed him as much as people make out. We've gone to absolute pieces defensively and made silly, stupid errors at the back every game which has highlighted our lack of firepower more.
 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 04, 2017, 06:48:02 PM
Last year him and Lukaku were integral to everything we did offensively and we've scored the same amount of goals as this time last year. I don't think we've missed him as much as people make out. We've gone to absolute pieces defensively and made silly, stupid errors at the back every game which has highlighted our lack of firepower more.
 
Think that goal stat being bandied around is a bit pointless tbh
This time last year we were on a  bad run, we hadn't really played well and were disjointed, its not like we were flying
After christmas was when we clicked and the goals came, particularly at home
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on December 04, 2017, 07:14:57 PM
Think that goal stat being bandied around is a bit pointless tbh
This time last year we were on a  bad run, we hadn't really played well and were disjointed, its not like we were flying
After christmas was when we clicked and the goals came, particularly at home

We're not on a good run now, what has exacerbated it is the collapse in Europe.

We're missing Lukaku undoubtedly but with Rooney playing deeper offering a lot more to our play and hopefully a focal point up top from January there's no reason why offensively we can't improve like last year, especially with Sigurdsson this year and Bolasie to come back.

I just don't think Barkley is as big a miss as some make out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Toddacelli on December 04, 2017, 07:31:21 PM
"Will she won't she" gerrit?

No I understood what he/she was saying - it was just that 'slutty blonde' seemed a bizarre place for his/her mind to go to in this situation. Weird.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on December 04, 2017, 07:58:31 PM
Don't suppose anyone but Barkley knows if he has any intention of signing a new contract. Something which he I am sure he will weigh in the balance is there are probably few of the 5 or 6  so-called "top" teams who would take him, other than as a bench warmer in competition with a load of very good players. A move to anywhere else might be seen as a backwards move. If Allardyce is right and he may not be properly match fit for remaining December fixtures, then someone else will be taking a gamble on him by signing him in January. I hope he stays, but maybe he wants to start afresh somewhere else.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GLewis on December 04, 2017, 08:01:17 PM
We're not on a good run now, what has exacerbated it is the collapse in Europe.

We're missing Lukaku undoubtedly but with Rooney playing deeper offering a lot more to our play and hopefully a focal point up top from January there's no reason why offensively we can't improve like last year, especially with Sigurdsson this year and Bolasie to come back.

I just don't think Barkley is as big a miss as some make out.


What I would say is that I think thereís been an over egging of what weíd have done if heíd been available.

Itís not as though weíve never played badly when heís been in the team and itís not as though heís impervious to crises of confidence.

I canít imagine he wouldnít have been equally affected by the negative atmosphere as anyone else.

It would have been better to have him as an option mind; and even better for someone to maybe finally get it all to click.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: formerKHL on December 04, 2017, 08:05:17 PM
sooner have him playing for us than against us..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on December 04, 2017, 08:48:50 PM
Sooner he's gone the better, he's been pissing us about long enough, bloody great distraction, the sooner he's gone we can close this thread and stop the endless  pointless will he/won't he debate.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lxxx on December 04, 2017, 09:30:30 PM
What I would say is that I think there’s been an over egging of what we’d have done if he’d been available.

It’s not as though we’ve never played badly when he’s been in the team and it’s not as though he’s impervious to crises of confidence.

I can’t imagine he wouldn’t have been equally affected by the negative atmosphere as anyone else.

It would have been better to have him as an option mind; and even better for someone to maybe finally get it all to click.

I agree. Although I think a lot of what is written about Ross is based on his potential and what he could deliver if it all came together in his head. Of course I'd rather he stayed than went and reached it with us like, goes without saying.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 04, 2017, 11:48:34 PM
would be nice to get a replacement who is an upgrade. Loving @Rodenplav64 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3475) Ďs Serri suggestion.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 05, 2017, 12:01:36 AM
would be nice to get a replacement who is an upgrade. Loving @Rodenplav64 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3475) "s Serri suggestion.
Come now, another no10 ffs surely not .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 05, 2017, 12:32:15 AM
I think Gylfi will score more and create more than Ross would have (even  if he had a full season behind him), so I'm not really bothered anyway.

He likely won't sing and will leave on a free.
Unless we do some kind of player plus cash deal for Danny Rose, but I doubt Rose will come.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on December 05, 2017, 12:33:58 AM
I'll deffo boo him on his return to Goodison. Not because I'm a cunt, but because he's probably one of the only players it will actually work on.

I remember it worked on Arteta when we bummed Arsenal 3-0.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: mikey_blue on December 05, 2017, 12:40:10 AM
I remember it worked on Arteta when we bummed Arsenal 3-0.

I couldn't bring myself to do it to him. Gorgeous Bastard.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on December 05, 2017, 12:41:44 AM
I couldn't bring myself to do it to him. Gorgeous Bastard.

I didn't do it, and I was saddened that we was doing it.  If I ever see him I am going to tell him I still love him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Ridge on December 06, 2017, 11:27:18 PM
I think the answer is back to a firm no.

Will be interesting to see if he's sold in January or sits out entire season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 07, 2017, 01:20:48 AM
Forgot about him to be honest. Be nice if he stays like.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 07, 2017, 01:34:01 AM
He will go to spurs just as Kane leaves for Madrid ....Alderweild gets off for money with Rose Eriksson ,Dier fucks off to man u ...and Potch fucks of to PSG. 😅.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: sam of the south on December 07, 2017, 02:35:22 AM
He will go to spurs just as Kane leaves for Madrid ....Alderweild gets off for money with Rose Eriksson ,Dier fucks off to man u ...and Potch fucks of to PSG. 😅.

This scenario would please me greatly ☺️
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on December 07, 2017, 02:40:58 AM
When everyone was chuffed when he went back on Twitter, about Rooneys goal and lots of our fans were wishing Ross well and begging him to stay. Does anyone know if Barkley actually answered any of the fans tweets ? Or ignored them, that would go a long way in saying whether he's staying or going.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 07, 2017, 03:02:52 AM
He's obviously going. I'm amazed we are still debating it. If he had any intention of staying he'd at least still be negotiating. He's doing nothing because by doing nothing he can leave on a free. There's zero chance he'll be here next season
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 07, 2017, 04:21:16 AM
How much would Barkley be worth in todayís market if he had a few years on his contract? Got to be £50m+?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blue slug on December 07, 2017, 04:35:19 AM
Well klaasen is worth 24m then your right at 50m dude
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: MrWhite on December 07, 2017, 05:00:02 AM
This scenario would please me greatly
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Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Tony Clifton on December 07, 2017, 05:23:14 AM
He'll be back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: sam of the south on December 07, 2017, 02:10:34 PM
He'll be back.

Gut feeling, blind optimism, or itk?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on December 07, 2017, 02:25:06 PM
He'll be back.

You mean like Rooney when he's 32 ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 07, 2017, 02:29:55 PM
Well klaasen is worth 24m then your right at 50m dude
Thatís a lot of money for a team to lose out on...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 07, 2017, 02:38:25 PM
You mean like Rooney when he's 32 ?
Haha

Iím not one for conspiracy theories but it was his birthday the other day and there was nothing about it on the clubís website or a tweet saying Happy Birthday...they did it for loads of other players and even Tony Bellew. He doesnít attend games or feature in any promo work either.

I can imagine the club are pretty pissed off at him for winding down his contract and then again for backing out of the Chelsea move. Hopefully we can salvage a few million in Jan and then the cunt can go and break his leg.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: ally2 on December 07, 2017, 02:42:31 PM
Sort of tempting to hold on to him so there's no chance of him going to the world cup. But that would be losing out on a lot of money, and he probably wouldn't even be arsed anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on December 07, 2017, 02:52:55 PM
Sort of tempting to hold on to him so there's no chance of him going to the world cup. But that would be losing out on a lot of money, and he probably wouldn't even be arsed anyway.

He's not a hope in hell of getting anywhere near the World Cup squad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 07, 2017, 02:53:00 PM
Sort of tempting to hold on to him so there's no chance of him going to the world cup. But that would be losing out on a lot of money, and he probably wouldn't even be arsed anyway.
Yeah, heís out of the WC picture I think - and heís only got himself to blame. Even if he had been fit, Iím not sure he wouldíve played, even his u-turn on the Chelsea move. Then making that statement basically calling Moshiri a liar, denying he was ever on his way for a medical or heíd agreed to go there.

Winding down your contract at your boyhood club, the club that gave him his chance - is pretty much the most despicable thing a player can do.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 07, 2017, 03:10:04 PM
That Phil Foden is probably higher in the pecking order for a place in the WC squad next year.

Thats not even a dig at Ross, it's just the way things have turned out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on December 07, 2017, 03:18:18 PM
Yeah, heís out of the WC picture I think - and heís only got himself to blame. Even if he had been fit, Iím not sure he wouldíve played, even his u-turn on the Chelsea move. Then making that statement basically calling Moshiri a liar, denying he was ever on his way for a medical or heíd agreed to go there.

Winding down your contract at your boyhood club, the club that gave him his chance - is pretty much the most despicable thing a player can do.

About time somebody said that, instead of its Koeman's fault, Moshiri's fault, Everton's fault, Everton fans fault, gangsters fault and his err agents fault. Have I missed anyone ? He is an adult he makes his own decisions, it makes me angry, it makes me sad and I would love him to resign another contract with us but it's highly unlikely, Ross has had ample opportunities but it just that to me, all that matters is him, not us and definitely not his home town club.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 07, 2017, 04:04:37 PM
He'll be back.

When Spurs come to Goodison, yes
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 07, 2017, 04:09:20 PM
He can sign a pre contract in jan I think. Genuinely donít think weíll see him again in a blue shirt.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 07, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
He can sign a pre contract in jan I think. Genuinely don’t think we’ll see him again in a blue shirt.
Is that pre contract only if he goes abroad or can he sign for spurs?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 07, 2017, 04:30:52 PM
Is that pre contract only if he goes abroad or can he sign for spurs?
Abroad only.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 07, 2017, 04:36:56 PM
Didn't Sam say in his first presser that he thought a deal was already done for him to go?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 07, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
Hopefully Spurs will make a sensible offer of £15m or so and heíll leave in the next window and we can draw a line under it. If, however, Levy tries to take the piss and says Ď£5m now is better than nothing in the summer, take it or leave it...í then he can fuck off. Donít give Ross any minutes either, see where a year off the pitch leaves him.

Shame itís come to this but it would be very naive of Ross not to expect a backlash when youíve run down your contract.

What makes me most sad is that he didnít buy into the new ownerís vision and had no interest being part of it. Ok, itís not quite panned out how weíd have all liked but we can still get ourselves back on track. But Ross just wasnít interested.



Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on December 07, 2017, 04:48:34 PM

What makes me most sad is that he didnít buy into the new ownerís vision and had no interest being part of it. Ok, itís not quite panned out how weíd have all liked but we can still get ourselves back on track. But Ross just wasnít interested.

Not quite panned out? We've almost gone backwards under Moshiri, we've spent no more than we did under Kenwright and just employed an expert in avoiding relegation. If thats the marker for him signing his contract then you've just provided the ideal reasoning behind him wanting to leave.

A football career is only a short thing and ill be surprised if we win anything during Barkleys career with or without him here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blargins on December 07, 2017, 04:57:06 PM
When Spurs come to Goodison, yes
He doesnít sit in the stands for us what makes you think heíll do the same for Spurs?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 07, 2017, 04:59:36 PM
Not quite panned out? We've almost gone backwards under Moshiri, we've spent no more than we did under Kenwright and just employed an expert in avoiding relegation. If thats the marker for him signing his contract then you've just provided the ideal reasoning behind him wanting to leave.

A football career is only a short thing and ill be surprised if we win anything during Barkleys career with or without him here.


But Ross wasnít to know that this might be a false dawn? Iím talking about when Moshiri took over. There was genuine excitement when we were bought out, plans for a new stadium, spending money - but Ross didnít buy into it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on December 07, 2017, 05:04:48 PM

But Ross wasnít to know that this might be a false dawn? Iím talking about when Moshiri took over. There was genuine excitement when we were bought out, plans for a new stadium, spending money - but Ross didnít buy into it.

Maybe he knew more than most as hes been proven right?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 07, 2017, 06:14:16 PM

But Ross wasn't to know that this might be a false dawn? I'm talking about when Moshiri took over. There was genuine excitement when we were bought out, plans for a new stadium, spending money - but Ross didn't buy into it.
Didn't buy into it cos he's a shit BLUENOSE .. .and soon to be the new Judas .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Tony Clifton on December 07, 2017, 06:44:30 PM
You mean like Rooney when he's 32 ?

Exactly that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 07, 2017, 08:35:27 PM
Not quite panned out? We've almost gone backwards under Moshiri, we've spent no more than we did under Kenwright and just employed an expert in avoiding relegation. If thats the marker for him signing his contract then you've just provided the ideal reasoning behind him wanting to leave.

A football career is only a short thing and ill be surprised if we win anything during Barkleys career with or without him here.

Mad how some people are back on the Moshiri wagon.

2 years ago we had at least 3 champions league level assets on the pitch... weíve gone backwards, fast.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 07, 2017, 08:47:16 PM
Mad how some people are back on the Moshiri wagon.

2 years ago we had at least 3 champions league level assets on the pitch... weíve gone backwards, fast.

Stones lukaku and who?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 07, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
Mad how some people are back on the Moshiri wagon.

2 years ago we had at least 3 champions league level assets on the pitch... we've gone backwards, fast.
Who all wanted out 😅😅..don't see your point tbh ...they wanted out before Moshiri so.....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on December 07, 2017, 08:55:24 PM
Mad how some people are back on the Moshiri wagon.

2 years ago we had at least 3 champions league level assets on the pitch... weíve gone backwards, fast.

In fairness, it's not unusual for non-CL teams to be able to hold onto better players. When we missed out on the CL under Martinez, then weren't able to mount a challenge again we were always on borrowed time with certain players.

As for Moshiri, I think it's a bit hard to call it either way right now. If you wanted to be kinder you could say some of this was teething/inexperience issues. While I appreciate our wage bill has increased, I am a bit skeptical of long term significant change unless he's really willing to spend to a higher level. Or at least get a structure (and sporting director) in place where we can identify talent and bring it in better than we're currently doing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 07, 2017, 09:14:28 PM
Stones lukaku and who?

Barkers
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 07, 2017, 09:14:59 PM
Who all wanted out 😅😅..don't see your point tbh ...they wanted out before Moshiri so.....

So we should accept not getting even close to replacing them?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 07, 2017, 09:32:21 PM
So we should accept not getting even close to replacing them?

Not sure we accepted that. Just did a shitty job of it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 07, 2017, 09:37:01 PM
So we should accept not getting even close to replacing them?
Oh so it was all Moshiri's fault(that Could be saved a few hundred wrong posts) ....nowt to do with Koeman or Walsh ?.. .where did you get that knowledge ?....quite a few others on here all blaming the wrong uns and does this mean should we drag Koeman back too it wasn't his fault .

I'm in no way Moshiri's biggest fan I've said all along ,kid with an ant farm and magnifying glass ...but financially were in a much better place so not all bad although we are his learning curve .. .and I wasn't expecting miracles.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 07, 2017, 09:45:47 PM
Oh so it was all Moshiri's fault(that Could be saved a few hundred wrong posts) ....nowt to do with Koeman or Walsh ?.. .where did you get that knowledge ?....quite a few others on here all blaming the wrong uns and does this mean should we drag Koeman back too it wasn't his fault .

I'm in no way Moshiri's biggest fan I've said all along ,kid with an ant farm and magnifying glass ...but financially were in a much better place so not all bad although we are his learning curve .. .and I wasn't expecting miracles.
Further to this Stones needed a good deal of input into him before he was anywhere near ready for champions league .. Barkley still remains to be seen (doubt he will ever reach the dizzy heights )...so only Realky Lukaku.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on December 07, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
So we should accept not getting even close to replacing them?

To be fair here, neither Lukaku or Stones were what you would call champions league footballers when we first bought them, neither was Barkley who came through the youth team and as you know you can't keep top class players when they want to move. Ronaldo and Suarez from Man United and Liverpool will tell you that.
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Post by: brap2 on December 07, 2017, 11:31:13 PM
Oh so it was all Moshiri's fault(that Could be saved a few hundred wrong posts) ....nowt to do with Koeman or Walsh ?.. .where did you get that knowledge ?....quite a few others on here all blaming the wrong uns and does this mean should we drag Koeman back too it wasn't his fault .

I'm in no way Moshiri's biggest fan I've said all along ,kid with an ant farm and magnifying glass ...but financially were in a much better place so not all bad although we are his learning curve .. .and I wasn't expecting miracles.

No not saying it was, saying weíve gone backwards and he has some making up to do with me personally and anyone whoís been aware of this club and itís goings on should feel the same way.

Donít even get me started on that stadium.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Shogun on December 11, 2017, 03:15:15 AM
https://twitter.com/rbarkley20/status/939855749777428480
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Post by: Bob Sacamano on December 11, 2017, 03:26:02 AM
Donít be a fucking tease man.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 12, 2017, 02:46:57 AM
More twitter chat that heís fit, but refusing to play.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on December 12, 2017, 02:49:36 AM
More twitter chat that heís fit, but refusing to play.

Where's that, hope it's bull, surely we wouldn't be paying him wages.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on December 12, 2017, 02:50:31 AM
More twitter chat that heís fit, but refusing to play.



I'm pretty sure he's in breach of contract if he refuses to play.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 12, 2017, 02:56:24 AM
Where's that, hope it's bull, surely we wouldn't be paying him wages.

Just some lad to be fair and it was a few days ago but stumbled across it. I just get a bad feeling from the whole thing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on December 12, 2017, 03:12:00 AM
Just some lad to be fair and it was a few days ago but stumbled across it. I just get a bad feeling from the whole thing.


Just don't see that happening. Surely it'd be in his interests to get match fit again. We haven't even seen him back in training yet have we? He wasn't refusing to train before the injury, as that is when it happened.

Plus he has like no time left no his contract, it's not like we have much say in the matter whether he goes so refusing to play doesn't really help him all that much surely? Unless he thinks this would force our hand in January...but again it's not like the club weren't willing to sell already.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: D15TIN on December 12, 2017, 03:44:37 AM
Just don't see that happening. Surely it'd be in his interests to get match fit again. We haven't even seen him back in training yet have we? He wasn't refusing to train before the injury, as that is when it happened.

Plus he has like no time left no his contract, it's not like we have much say in the matter whether he goes so refusing to play doesn't really help him all that much surely? Unless he thinks this would force our hand in January...but again it's not like the club weren't willing to sell already.
There was a picture of him in his training gear jogging at FF recently, nobody else with him though. I don't think he's going to play for us again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on December 12, 2017, 04:00:35 AM
There was a picture of him in his training gear jogging at FF recently, nobody else with him though. I don't think he's going to play for us again.

I'd not be surprised if he doesn't play again for us. I would expect to see him back in training though. I'm not trying to make excuses as I have nothing to base this on, maybe he is being excluded due to his own actions, I just don't think it makes sense to either party. Plus, it was only a few weeks ago Unsworth was saying he'd hope he'd be back fit and would think about signing...so I don't think from the club's perspective bridges have been burnt entirely. Unless something dramatic has happened in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 12, 2017, 04:02:22 AM
This situation is so strange.

I've never known a hamstring injury to last this long, so obviously there's some shenanigans going on.

But at the same time I can't fathom how someone can grow up a massive evertonian and fall out of love with Everton, especially when we are his exact level at the moment and pay massive wages.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on December 12, 2017, 04:05:37 AM
This situation is so strange.

I've never known a hamstring injury to last this long, so obviously there's some shenanigans going on.

But at the same time I can't fathom how someone can grow up a massive evertonian and fall out of love with Everton, especially when we are his exact level at the moment and pay massive wages.

How long has he been out for though since the second injury in training? It feels like a while but I thought as it was a bad one so they were saying it'd be around this timeframe before he came back.

I did think we'd see him returning to training soon, but there has been a total lack of information so who knows.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Tony Clifton on December 12, 2017, 05:07:55 AM
How long has he been out for though since the second injury in training? It feels like a while but I thought as it was a bad one so they were saying it'd be around this timeframe before he came back.

I did think we'd see him returning to training soon, but there has been a total lack of information so who knows.

Been training pretty much alone for a bit now hasn't he?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 12, 2017, 05:13:55 AM
Poch has apparently said something about him without mentioning his name tonight.

Papers running with Chelsea and Spurs both want him in Jan.

How can an Evertonian watch everton struggle the way they have this season and sit on his arse collecting a cheque?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 12, 2017, 05:48:49 AM
I'd not be surprised if he doesn't play again for us. I would expect to see him back in training though. I'm not trying to make excuses as I have nothing to base this on, maybe he is being excluded due to his own actions, I just don't think it makes sense to either party. Plus, it was only a few weeks ago Unsworth was saying he'd hope he'd be back fit and would think about signing...so I don't think from the club's perspective bridges have been burnt entirely. Unless something dramatic has happened in recent weeks.
I think him doing a u-turn on the Chelsea move a potentially costing the club £35m is a seriously fucking burnt bridge.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 12, 2017, 06:33:54 AM
Mad how everyone thought Koeman was the bad guy .....and yet here we are ,he's already out the door ...he will never be a true BLUENOSE.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueToffee on December 12, 2017, 08:02:43 AM
I think him doing a u-turn on the Chelsea move a potentially costing the club £35m is a seriously fucking burnt bridge.

Yet they'd still sign him up tomorrow if they thought they could as it'd make fiscal sense to do so.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 12, 2017, 01:54:52 PM
Sam's apparently going to ask all first team squad of they want to stay or not before he looks to recruit. This could be interesting.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: mikey_blue on December 12, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
Heís just uploaded a picture to his Instagram story. Looks like a heís got a massive scar on his hamstring, must of actually had surgery. The picture had the caption ďNot Long NowĒ...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Macca77 on December 12, 2017, 06:01:50 PM
https://twitter.com/TheKendallEnd/status/940551440497602560
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Alanvideo on December 12, 2017, 06:06:00 PM
I don't think Barkley even goes to games at Goodison these days .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: mikey_blue on December 12, 2017, 06:14:46 PM
I don't think Barkley even goes to games at Goodison these days .

Probably watches a stream.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 12, 2017, 06:16:32 PM
https://twitter.com/TheKendallEnd/status/940551440497602560
Some scar that
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Alanvideo on December 12, 2017, 06:19:05 PM
Some scar that
...............it really is. Thought it was his arse crack at first. :o
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 12, 2017, 06:19:44 PM
...............it really is. Thought it was his arse crack at first. :o
Think it actually proves he was injured to end some conspiracy theories
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Gash on December 12, 2017, 06:22:22 PM
https://twitter.com/TheKendallEnd/status/940551440497602560

(https://media.giphy.com/media/LdF19xcqxH1Be/giphy.gif)
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Post by: The Analog Kid on December 12, 2017, 06:28:53 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/LdF19xcqxH1Be/giphy.gif)

👆🏻🤙🏻😎
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 12, 2017, 07:27:25 PM
heís had me off there
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 12, 2017, 07:29:34 PM
Barkley DCL Sig front 3 the dream is alive sign the contract sign it sign it sign it
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Post by: mikey_blue on December 12, 2017, 07:54:42 PM
                 Gana Rooney       
 Bolasie            Sig              Barkley
                       DCL

That would be pretty exciting.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Cereal Killer on December 12, 2017, 09:19:25 PM
                 Gana Rooney       
 Bolasie            Sig              Barkley
        DCL Aubameyang

That would be pretty exciting.

Fixed :whistle:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bally on December 12, 2017, 10:24:47 PM
Shows he wasn't blagging it really doesn't it
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171212/489efed872fdbdb0ff89bf229bb84584.jpg)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 12, 2017, 10:34:49 PM
Wasnít blagging but heís still off
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 12, 2017, 10:39:57 PM
Don't think he'll play for us again now. Be very little point having a half fit player play for us for 3 or 4 games before going elsewhere

Does anyone actually believe there's any chance he'll sign a new contract. Players don't run their contracts down unless they want to move on
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Bally on December 12, 2017, 11:14:37 PM
Just imagine that he's running his contract down knowing he will never play again and doesn't want to take the pay from Everton
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: pjk on December 12, 2017, 11:44:54 PM
Just imagine that he's running his contract down knowing he will never play again and doesn't want to take the pay from Everton




That scar looked pretty heavy duty. It's all been kept pretty quiet if there's anything in what you're saying though. I feel like a right twat for getting arsey about it. I feel like I've got a guilt complex coming on.  :blush:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Macca77 on December 15, 2017, 05:06:47 AM
https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/941435128932327424
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Confucius on December 15, 2017, 05:23:29 AM
The whole debacle makes so little sense for Ross. At his boyhood club, earning mega money. An ambitious club. And Wayne Rooney playing in the position you want to play in showing you how it is done and teaching you to play deep, run the show and score goals.

Why would he want to leave? I just can't fathom it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: everton1952 on December 15, 2017, 05:28:48 AM
He must believe he has the talent to improve to the extent he could compete maybe in a year or so with the typical squad players in the top 6 clubs.  Which of them would be bothered taking the risk is a moot point. Good luck to him. Jeffers went with a similar ambition and after a short spell as "Wenger's fox in the box" vanished into oblivion. It does not mean Barkley shouldn't take the risk.  Whichever way he chooses to go he will be a millionaire regardless.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 15, 2017, 05:41:25 AM
He'll get offered twice as much at chelsea on a free. Makes financial sense for him and his agent.
Hold off signing for Chelsea, save them £25m - £30m, in return they'll pay him a decent signing on fee and a fat contract. All the while fleecing us, but he's a blue, and misunderstood, so it's fine apparently.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2017, 03:13:12 PM
Canít get my head around it personally. Would rather earn half the doh and get my bollocks kicked every night before bed than play for any other club.

Something must change when you are on the other side, just ask Wayne.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: TheRam on December 15, 2017, 03:19:43 PM
One angle no one is taking is the impact of this injury.

He's been out for six months with a very serious hamstring tear.

That on top of the leg break he had at the start of his career and I don't think there's much left in him.

Can see it all going a bit Jack Wilshere for him.

Id be very reluctant to give him a new deal. Just cash in, let him run it down. It's not real loss for us. Rooney is doing better than Ross ever did for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 03:28:45 PM
One angle no one is taking is the impact of this injury.

He's been out for six months with a very serious hamstring tear.

That on top of the leg break he had at the start of his career and I don't think there's much left in him.

Can see it all going a bit Jack Wilshere for him.

Id be very reluctant to give him a new deal. Just cash in, let him run it down. It's not real loss for us. Rooney is doing better than Ross ever did for us.

Rooneys numbers are great but we really are crying out for a proper playmaker. Not sure that's barkley either but I guess we could argue barkley still has a chance of becoming that player

Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2017, 03:29:30 PM
Worst bit is losing the song
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on December 15, 2017, 03:58:48 PM
Looking at the scar off that injury and with the history of hamstring injuries, ( they always seem to come back), does not look promising at all for Ross. Looks like he could have problems passing a medical with the size of that scar, insurance etc.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: cantoffee on December 15, 2017, 06:44:08 PM
Makes me sad thinking about him playing for another club.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on December 15, 2017, 06:49:52 PM
Makes me sad thinking about him playing for another club.

Hes supposed to be a die hard Evertonian and he doesn't give a s**t about it and you shouldn't either
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 15, 2017, 06:49:52 PM
Worst bit is losing the song
.....we've got a diamond called Tom Davies
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Lazarou on December 15, 2017, 06:54:03 PM
.....we've got a diamond called Tom Davies

A rough one.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Shogun on December 15, 2017, 06:55:08 PM
No chance he goes in January imo

On a free to Spurs in June
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: cantoffee on December 15, 2017, 07:03:07 PM
Hes supposed to be a die hard Evertonian and he doesn't give a s**t about it and you shouldn't either
Still not a great feeling that a boyhood blue with such talent is leaving. Not absolving him of blame but just saying it's shitty.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2017, 07:08:09 PM
He plaaays alongside jonjo kennyyy
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on December 15, 2017, 07:08:28 PM
Still not a great feeling that a boyhood blue with such talent is leaving. Not absolving him of blame but just saying it's shitty.

I agree, but I dont feel sad towards him or the situation, he is fully in control of this and can do what he wants, he has chosen to give everyone the bird and he needs to remember that when he returns and is warming up on the sidelines. Only time will tell if the grass is greener and whether s**ting on your boyhood club was a good move.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on December 15, 2017, 07:16:47 PM
No chance he goes in January imo

On a free to Spurs in June

Tend to agree, in that case I wouldn't really bother including him in first team selection unless absolutely no other choice, he wants to run his contract down and pick up a massive signing on fee then why should we pay him to get match fit for Spurs ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Waltzer on December 15, 2017, 07:48:51 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ross-barkley-transfer-everton-progress-chelsea-calculated-gamble-injury-instagram-a8112261.html


It is a time of change at Everton and Ross Barkley appears to have no part in their future.

At 24 years-old Barkley is no longer the young, talented midfielder that so many at Goodison Park saw as a pillar to build around, he is merely a talented midfielder. As things go, talent is far more important than youth but being in your late teens and early 20s buys you time and it buys you patience from those in charge. That fluid concept of 'potential' affords you nine lives but before you know it, they have expired, you're in your mid-20s and you're not even the most-adored academy product in midfield, let alone the team.

This is Ross Barkley's journey and while some felt it might take a new turn with Sam Allardyce, it appears to be barrelling down the same route with the new Everton boss admitting that the Englishman is as good as gone come January.

Allardyce revealed that Barkley is likely to leave (Getty Images)
"If someone comes in during January and says: 'Here you go' (with an offer) and the club says: 'Look, if he's not going to sign for us this has to be the case,' then I accept that," Allardyce said, as if explaining the act of bartering to an extra-terrestrial.

"If Ross stays until the end of the season and I feel he is giving 100 percent to the team, like he has done since he was a kid, then he is an available asset for us until he leaves on a free transfer. I would hate that to happen but it might do."

That Le Grand Sam himself is openly discussing such a plan on the day that the Toffees tied down three of the young talents they want to keep - Jonjoe Kenny, Mason Holgate and Dominic Calvert-Lewin - to new long-term contracts is not something that will go unnoticed by those in the Barkley camp. Tom Davies' emergence, too, has changed how Barkley is viewed.

Everton tie talented young trio to long-term deals
Despite making 22 England appearances and 150 for Everton, there remains a feeling that Barkley is a slightly unfulfilled promise. A player who could have been the driving, beating heart of an exciting England midfield or, as we now call that role, a Dele Alli. At 24 he is by no means ancient, it should be pointed out. Only in football terms, where players born this millennium are now changing hands for eight-figure sums, and with potentially 8-10 years left at the top, Barkley's suitors have seen enough, surely, to suggest that he is worth that calculated gamble.

Posting pictures to social media this week to remind people that he is still alive, Barkley revealed the horrendous scar left behind by his hamstring operation. Injury has meant that not only has he not played a single minute this season but also that his late-August move to Chelsea fell through. Both sides are still tetchy on the details of that encounter, with claim and counter-claim over whether Barkley failed a medical at the Blues' Cobham training ground or whether he just thought better of a move. The two camps scrambled to get their side of the story out with the haste and care of someone scraping ice from their windscreen on a frozen morning but the picture of what actually happened remains still unclear, frosted around the edges by Everton's need to get some sort of remuneration for their man.

Ross Barkley shows his scars as he plans injury return (Instagram)
Everton believe that the midfielder probably wants and needs a fresh start elsewhere while they embark on their own new path. And in case Barkley hadn't got the message sufficiently, they went out and bought a glut of players who fill the same role as Barkley so he was completely sure of how little they actually needed him to stay. The feeling at Goodison Park is that they can be optimistic again, upwardly mobile after a poor start and with an owner who is rich enough - or supposed to be, at least - to fund a future in the upper reaches of the Premier League.

With a gaggle of talented young players that already play first-team football, some talented imports and a boyhood-blue-turned-valuable-veteran in Wayne Rooney, Allardyce and chums are pretty bullish about the direction in which the club is travelling.

But the club could be falling into the same trap as they did with Barkley.

All talk of potential is exciting because it furnishes people with hope. Fulfilling that potential is always the hardest bit. A parting of the ways for Barkley and Everton seems inevitable but which of the two parties will be feeling better about themselves in 18 months' time is still pretty uncertain.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: blueski on December 15, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
I don't know that much can be read into Sam's comments here - all pretty sensible stuff - not sure what else there is to say.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 15, 2017, 08:24:02 PM
Reckon he'll go to a team where he can play with no pressure on his shoulders - work his way up to being a star, Palace, Swansea, Newcastle, maybe Burnley, and no doubt they'll have Christmas parties.



Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 15, 2017, 08:35:50 PM
Reckon he'll go to a team where he can play with no pressure on his shoulders - work his way up to being a star, Palace, Swansea, Newcastle, maybe Burnley, and no doubt they'll have Christmas parties.
Can see him getting laid out by a lout in any of them cities 😅.easy.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 15, 2017, 08:42:06 PM
Reckon he'll go to a team where he can play with no pressure on his shoulders - work his way up to being a star, Palace, Swansea, Newcastle, maybe Burnley, and no doubt they'll have Christmas parties.





You don't really believe that barkleys turned down over 100k a week so he can sign for Burnley on half that?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: gizzblue on December 15, 2017, 08:47:00 PM
You don't really believe that barkleys turned down over 100k a week so he can sign for Burnley on half that?
Doubt Spurs would pay him that either ....with their wage structure .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: kramer0 on December 15, 2017, 08:54:12 PM
I'd really like to see his dribbling/passing skills in this midfield, preferably from a deeper position. We're crying out for another player who can carry us forward through the middle. We could line up something like:

DM: Gana
CM: Rooney
CM: Barkley

Shame we probably won't get to see anything like that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 16, 2017, 12:23:33 AM
You don't really believe that barkleys turned down over 100k a week so he can sign for Burnley on half that?

Nope, but I have a feeeling in me water that that's what he's all about. Hope he stays at Everton but I reckon the thought of Goodison Park mass-moaning at him curdles his shite.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Escla on December 16, 2017, 12:47:40 AM
I think he's a bit of a snide cunt, hasn't done anything on social media the whole time he's been injured like say Bolasie then suddenly he wants to communicate like he's one of us again just in case he gets a game !
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Cassius on December 16, 2017, 01:29:16 AM
I think he's a bit of a snide cunt, hasn't done anything on social media the whole time he's been injured like say Bolasie then suddenly he wants to communicate like he's one of us again just in case he gets a game !

I think that's a bit unfair.

Why should he share his life on social media after a summer in which he almost moved and after what has looked like some pretty serious surgery?

And why does posting images make him like one of us again?

To me, he's been advised to show the fans and January suitors that he's reaching fitness again. Nothing snide or cunty in that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: School of Science on December 16, 2017, 01:59:16 AM
I think he's a bit of a snide cunt, hasn't done anything on social media the whole time he's been injured like say Bolasie then suddenly he wants to communicate like he's one of us again just in case he gets a game !

Think when he's saying the likes of "Soon" and has given an update and photograph of his injury, he's just letting Spurs/ Chelsea and the like he's over his injury, get yer bids in lads.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: Martip on December 16, 2017, 03:04:27 PM
I think he's a bit of a snide cunt, hasn't done anything on social media the whole time he's been injured like say Bolasie then suddenly he wants to communicate like he's one of us again just in case he gets a game !
Agreed. I'd add to this that he's thick as shit and gets manipulated by his agent also.

The way he has conducted himself over the last year has been really poor especially considering he's at his boyhood club who got him where he is today.

Imo he's been running the clock down in order for a payday and not saying anything to try and stay under the radar. Shitty move from a player with no brain or morals.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 16, 2017, 04:31:21 PM
I think he's a shitbag. How can he turn up every day and yet no one be right sure what his intentions are in the longer term. Hear nothing off him for months on social media (which is fine) and then when he realises he might actually have to play for us again he's posting messages of support before games. He needs to grow a pair of balls and just come out and say he's leaving. Though if he had mental strength he'd be twice the player he actually is
Title: Re: Ross Barkley. Will he, or won't he?
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 16, 2017, 04:37:43 PM
...he's just letting Spurs/ Chelsea and the like he's over his injury, get yer bids in lads.

The way he's acting like such a cunt, seems more like he's auditioning for Arsenal.