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Title: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 10, 2017, 06:26:26 PM
Strange there wasn't a thread for this yet!

Will be a tough game as they set up very defensive but definitely one we should be winning.

2-0 to the Blues.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Juanito on February 10, 2017, 06:33:29 PM
                  Robles
Coleman  Williams Mori  Baines

               Barry
     Davies     McCarthy

Mirallas     Lukaku   Barkley
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 10, 2017, 06:35:27 PM
                  Robles
Coleman  Williams Mori  Baines

               Barry
     Davies     McCarthy

Mirallas     Lukaku   Barkley

No Gueye or Scheiderlin? Are you bonkers?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Macca77 on February 10, 2017, 06:38:01 PM
cumon evrton dees r shite
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 10, 2017, 06:41:40 PM
I'd go 3-5-1-1, with Barkley playing just off Lukaku and a midfield 3 of Schneiderlin, Gana and either Davies or McCarthy. I'd leave Lookman and Mirallas on the bench as options to change the game if needed.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 10, 2017, 06:45:19 PM
Joel
Coleman Williams Mori Baines
Schneiderlin
Davies Gueye
Mirallas Barkley
Lukaku
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on February 10, 2017, 06:56:37 PM
Joel
Coleman Williams Mori Baines
Schneiderlin
Davies Gueye
Mirallas Barkley
Lukaku

Really feel like we could do with Mirallas in this one
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on February 10, 2017, 07:09:41 PM
Despite their lowly position they have only conceded 27 goals , same as us.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: GLewis on February 10, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Yeah think we'll start with Mirallas as it's an away game.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Confucius on February 10, 2017, 07:48:10 PM
Joel
Coleman Williams Mori Baines
Schneiderlin
Davies Gueye
Mirallas Barkley
Lukaku

I would swap Gueye and Schneiderlin around
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: velimski on February 10, 2017, 07:50:57 PM
Joel
Coleman Williams Mori Baines
Schneiderlin
Davies Gueye
Mirallas Barkley
Lukaku

I like the look of this.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Cozzie on February 10, 2017, 07:52:44 PM
Reckon Gueye will be brought back in for this one.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 10, 2017, 08:13:10 PM
                     Robles

      Coleman Williams Mori Baines

       Schneiderlin Gana Davies

               Barkley Mirallas

                      Lukaku
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 10, 2017, 08:28:56 PM
I don't think that we should forget that some of our best recent form has been with 3 at the back. I'm not convinced any of our centre halves  (maybe Williams aside, if he's with the right partner) is good enough to play in a two, whereas the three provides extra coverage and compliments the likes of Holgate and Funes Mori more. Also we gained control of the Bournemouth game by switching to three at the back, and away to Boro, I think he's more likely to go with the back three.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Robioto on February 10, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
They are obviously good defensively but I think we will win and keep a clean sheet, 2-0 with both goals to come in the second half. I think I'd like to see a back 4 for this one.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 10, 2017, 08:33:47 PM
I don't think that we should forget that some of our best recent form has been with 3 at the back. I'm not convinced any of our centre halves  (maybe Williams aside, if he's with the right partner) is good enough to play in a two, whereas the three provides extra coverage and compliments the likes of Holgate and Funes Mori more. Also we gained control of the Bournemouth game by switching to three at the back, and away to Boro, I think he's more likely to go with the back three.

I was looking at all the opinions and thinking about how hard it is to dissuade supporters to move from tried and tested.
Moyes broke us away from wanting 442 and we all accepted dropping a striker for a midfielder.

But the same seems to be happening again. People have this 451/4231 in their heads and can't quite make the leap away from it. All positing varients on a theme.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 10, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
I just think he came out and said he likes 3 at the back when teams play 2 up top, I thought Boro played 1 up top so went with the back four

Plus, if Schneiderlin sits in between the 2 cb's like he did at Stoke its kinda a 3
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 10, 2017, 08:45:01 PM
I don't think that we should forget that some of our best recent form has been with 3 at the back. I'm not convinced any of our centre halves  (maybe Williams aside, if he's with the right partner) is good enough to play in a two, whereas the three provides extra coverage and compliments the likes of Holgate and Funes Mori more. Also we gained control of the Bournemouth game by switching to three at the back, and away to Boro, I think he's more likely to go with the back three.

Yeah, I definitely think this is the case right now, until we hopefully upgrade our CB's in the summer.

However, we did have a firm grip on the Bournemouth game with the xmas tree, until we started shitting ourselves, and yes the three at the back switch came at just the right time.

I think maybe start the same (4-3-2-1) and be prepared to switch to three cb's if the going gets tough.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 10, 2017, 08:59:36 PM
Boro are due to concede at hatful. Hope it's us that does it to them.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 10, 2017, 10:31:46 PM
Funes Mori and Williams can play solidly together in a 4 setup, perhaps they were just rusty last week.  And we can trust Schneiderlin/Gana to range back.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Cozzie on February 10, 2017, 11:40:48 PM
Boro may have not conceded many but they literally can't score to save a beaver in a kettle.

You would like to think only 2 goals realistically needed to win here.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Confucius on February 10, 2017, 11:42:07 PM
Boro may have not conceded many but they literally can't score to save a beaver in a kettle.

You would like to think only 2 goals realistically needed to win here.

We will dray 4-4
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 11, 2017, 12:18:53 AM
We will dray 4-4

I love that track by MC Squirrel, 'Forgot About Dray'

It really is the nuts 🔥🙌
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: BlueBeagle on February 11, 2017, 12:23:53 AM
Boro may have not conceded many but they literally can't score to save a beaver in a kettle.

You had to fucking say it didn't you :hmph:

Bet they've got a striker who hasn't scored in about 8 months as well lolol
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Cozzie on February 11, 2017, 12:26:57 AM
You had to fucking say it didn't you :hmph:

Bet they've got a striker who hasn't scored in about 8 months as well lolol

Yup. But we need to break out of this cycle. The top clubs never think this way. Our bad luck against out of form players has to end soon.

On a high at the moment and generally think this will be an easy afternoons work.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 12:31:54 AM
Genuinely isn't a chance these are scoring more than one against us.

It's all about how many we score because they are a very good unit at the back.

I'm hoping this game just goes to form and we get a nice win.

Liverpool have Spurs as the late game so could be a massive weekend.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 11, 2017, 02:25:24 AM
You had to fucking say it didn't you :hmph:

Bet they've got a striker who hasn't scored in about 8 months as well lolol

I've noticed quite a few times that when a team hasn't won or a player hasnt scored for x amount of time they end up doing it against us..    I think we'll beat these easily but I've thought that a few times and we've lost. We are Everton after all.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 02:31:14 AM
We are all buzzing and dreaming, and a trip to Boro seems a proper place for dreams to die in a scoreless draw.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: charlatan on February 11, 2017, 03:09:02 AM
2-0 to us.  Can't wait, 1st away in donkeys
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 04:22:10 AM
I've got a really ominous feeling about tomorrow.  Maybe not the result, but something else.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 05:34:43 AM
I've got a really ominous feeling about tomorrow.  Maybe not the result, but something else.

Full moon tonight mate.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Confucius on February 11, 2017, 06:19:06 AM
I've got a really ominous feeling about tomorrow.  Maybe not the result, but something else.

I am winning $60M in the lottery tonight and you will never hear from me again. It's probably that. You will miss me!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blue1948 on February 11, 2017, 01:31:45 PM
I am winning $60M in the lottery tonight and you will never hear from me again. It's probably that. You will miss me!

We can only hope then !
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: GLewis on February 11, 2017, 02:29:19 PM
I don't think that "player x" hasn't scored in "y" happens to us more than any other team. You just wouldn't notice when they get that goal against someone else.

This will be a tough game as they don't concede many; that means they're likely to be in the game all the way through.

There won't be much space to run into so it could well be a set piece that's needed or some really inventive play.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Redartin on February 11, 2017, 03:51:36 PM
Genuinely isn't a chance these are scoring more than one against us.

It's all about how many we score because they are a very good unit at the back.

I'm hoping this game just goes to form and we get a nice win.

Liverpool have Spurs as the late game so could be a massive weekend.

The derby comes up in six games from now, has anyone looked at our next five fixtures compared to the Red Shite's next five, especially when you consider current form. I think they are all big games and there may not be that much between us in terms of points come the Derby.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 05:33:59 PM
I wonder if jags may be back in for this? 
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on February 11, 2017, 05:47:26 PM
Even though they are near the relegation zone, they have one of the best defences in the league, in fact, equal to us! But scoring for them seems to be a general problem.

I can imagine that the Boro defence will have had extra special instructions to mark Lukaku out of the game. We might need to rely on some tricky skill from Lookman or Barkley to break them down.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 05:49:05 PM
I wonder if jags may be back in for this? 

hope not
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 06:59:59 PM
I wonder if jags may be back in for this?
Why would you say something like that? Why? Why?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
I wonder if jags may be back in for this? 

Unless Holgate and mori are injured then I very much doubt it.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: djws1788 on February 11, 2017, 07:31:04 PM
wearing the away kit for the first time in ages
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on February 11, 2017, 07:40:47 PM
Wrong thread :)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 07:47:37 PM
nervous for team news. Hope Gana is back alongside Schneiderlin and Davies!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 08:00:13 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/830416102861705217
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 08:00:30 PM
BOSS TEAM
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 08:00:48 PM
Drooling at that.

No Mirallas though?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 08:00:58 PM
https://twitter.com/philkecho/status/830416221371772929
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Fynci on February 11, 2017, 08:02:12 PM
Mirallas and McCarthy injured?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 08:04:57 PM
Strong team.  Interesting how they actually line up though.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
The team is great, but that bench looks weak.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 08:06:59 PM
Can't wait to see how that midfield works.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bally on February 11, 2017, 08:07:39 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170211/1c2e8d1d093ef18224964c531ebef14d.jpg)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 08:07:55 PM
McCarthy injured again then?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 08:07:57 PM
How times have changed when you see the team news with Robles in goal and you aren't filled with utter dread.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: howard1334 on February 11, 2017, 08:07:57 PM
Mirallas and McCarthy injured?

Odd that neither of them are even on the bench. Anyone have an explanation?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 08:09:23 PM
Very progressive XI, surprised Kone made the bench ahead of Mirallas or McCarthy.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bally on February 11, 2017, 08:10:33 PM
Black kit today too
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Risky on February 11, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
McCarthy and Mirallas must be injured.  I don't think they've somehow fallen behind the likes of Kone in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 08:12:41 PM
Black kit today too

@kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: wilbur on February 11, 2017, 08:13:15 PM
McCarthy has a slight hamstring strain - not sure about Mirallas.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 08:22:26 PM
A few injuries and it leaves us with a pretty thin squad and a very ordinary looking bench.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: velimski on February 11, 2017, 08:26:53 PM
Upgrades on Kone, Valencia and Lennon required in the summer.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 08:27:03 PM
A few injuries and it leaves us with a pretty thin squad and a very ordinary looking bench.
Disappointing there's not one of the kids to have on the bench instead of Kone.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 08:28:04 PM
think Boro will go down, handy win this
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
Got to be amongst the youngest front 6 to start, surely?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 08:42:57 PM
Selfie adverts on the stream today.  What?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 08:43:32 PM
Koeman actually smiled during his brief NBCSN interview!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 08:43:51 PM
Selfie adverts on the stream today.  What?

Haha that one with the neck cream?

Grim init.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 11, 2017, 08:44:37 PM
Kone is OK for me as Boro aren't far off his level . He would make more sense than Calvert-Lewin and yet again it is pan him for the sake of it . His hatrick against Sunderland was a year ago and if he was a racehorse you could say he comes good for a week at this time of year .If you trust Koeman then trust him sticking Kone on the bench .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
Kone is OK for me as Boro aren't far off his level . He would make more sense than Calvert-Lewin and yet again it is pan him for the sake of it . His hatrick against Sunderland was a year ago and if he was a racehorse you could say he comes good for a week at this time of year .If you trust Koeman then trust him sticking Kone on the bench .

He's fucking shite and has the physique of a Christmas pudding.

He's there because there's no one else to have. As has been said, dissapointing we can't put a kid on there.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 08:48:33 PM
Haha that one with the neck cream?

Grim init.
Nothing like coordinated adverts, eh?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 11, 2017, 08:49:40 PM
He's fucking shite and has the physique of a Christmas pudding.

He's there because there's no one else to have. As has been said, dissapointing we can't put a kid on there.

Your right of course .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Meak on February 11, 2017, 08:49:46 PM
anyone got a link for today?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on February 11, 2017, 08:50:20 PM
McCarthy has no luck at all with injuries. Mirallas must have been a doubt too.

We do have a strong squad starting but not much options on the bench. Maybe Valencia could add something late on in the game or Holgate can solidify the defence with maybe Barry.

Need a strong performance today.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 08:51:27 PM
Nothing like coordinated adverts, eh?

The joys of football streaming knows no end.

You have to keep it on because you're worried if you turn it off it won't work again for the game.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 08:53:37 PM
The joys of football streaming knows no end.

You have to keep it on because you're worried if you turn it off it won't work again for the game.
The wife looked at me, looked at the telly and then just shook her head disapprovingly!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 08:54:25 PM
Decent link anyone?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 08:54:45 PM
STREAM PLEASE
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 08:54:56 PM
Worryingly the timer on this ad doesn't end until after 3pm though.  Dilemma!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
this is always decent http://streamsarena.eu/events/20170211/middlesbrough-vs-everton-live-stream.php
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
This subD plasma cream looks pretty impressive
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 08:56:11 PM
Upgrades on Kone, Valencia and Lennon required in the summer.


Our upgrade on Valencia and Kone played for Hull today
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Buck76 on February 11, 2017, 08:56:32 PM
Is McCarthy Injured???
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 08:56:37 PM
STREAM PLEASE

havnt done this in a while, so....

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/cd/32/68/cd326861013995c47093ae4889482092.gif)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 08:57:21 PM
STREAM PLEASE

http://streamsarena.eu/events/20170211/middlesbrough-vs-everton-live-stream.php
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Fynci on February 11, 2017, 08:57:35 PM
this is always decent http://streamsarena.eu/events/20170211/middlesbrough-vs-everton-live-stream.php

http://www.footylive.ga/2017/02/middlesbrough-vs-everton-fc-eng.html - this one working well at present too.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 08:58:18 PM
http://streamsarena.eu/events/20170211/middlesbrough-vs-everton-live-stream.php

spot on that
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 08:58:47 PM
America is fucked.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 08:59:48 PM
Don't worry, the cold plasma ads will end in time for kickoff (that's the infomercial "programming" on CNBC leading straight into our match).  We are on the secondary channel again, all pre-match coverage is on NBCSN (United/Watford).
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: keverton1971 on February 11, 2017, 09:00:08 PM
http://streamsarena.eu/events/20170211/middlesbrough-vs-everton-live-stream.php
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:00:10 PM
Starting to think I'm on yh wrong stream here
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: keverton1971 on February 11, 2017, 09:00:19 PM
http://neolive.net/71912/1/Watch-Middlesbrough-vs-Everton-FC-/
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:00:24 PM
The selfie infomercial is on CNBC which is a 24hr financial news station in the US they don't have anything else to show on the weekend so they put on these silly 30 minute ads. I just checked directly after the game the next 30 minutes is an infomercial called "sexy abs". I guess I won't be watching the Liverpool v Spurs game after all :)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:00:46 PM
http://www.footylive.ga/2017/02/middlesbrough-vs-everton-fc-eng.html
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:00:47 PM
Yayyyyy
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 09:00:56 PM
COYB!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:00:58 PM
America is fucked.

This shouldn't be news to anyone...
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 09:02:45 PM
if Lookman was seven foot taller he'd have got that
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:03:22 PM
that was sexual by Ross...
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2017, 09:04:08 PM
That should be a booking when the ball goes out
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 09:04:50 PM
So close Davies. Great ball.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:04:52 PM
Almost perfect pass.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:04:58 PM
Davies almost had one again.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:05:41 PM
You can see the plan, to carve them up with our midfielders.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Cozzie on February 11, 2017, 09:07:24 PM
Missing this today but just seen the team happy with that.

Coyb.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 09:07:33 PM
Snide's living up to his name!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:07:51 PM
Looking very sharp.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
Snide's living up to his name!

Exactly what we needed, in so many ways.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:09:12 PM
I love Gueye.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:09:49 PM
Sucks how West Brom keep winning.  I don't quite take them seriously, but...
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 09:11:47 PM
Schneiderlin is a rock. So composed, exactly what we need. Perfect upgrade to Barry.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 09:11:52 PM
Fabio showing he hasn't improved since being binned by United
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:13:40 PM
That was a bit dodgy lol
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:13:46 PM
Still capable of a wobble at the back.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 09:14:49 PM
Robles has become very positive and quick off his line
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:14:58 PM
Making a few silly mistakes.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:15:07 PM
That was a bit dodgy lol

Couldn't tell if we fucked up or if the ball just bounced weird (on both Funes Mori and then Coleman).  It's like a demon possessed it.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:15:08 PM
Mori makes a great interception then a minute later acts like a complete biff
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: djws1788 on February 11, 2017, 09:15:11 PM
got to score first against these, will be hard to break down if they go ahead.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:16:34 PM
We're committing a lot of players forward very early, almost like we're continuing on from the Bournemouth game
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 09:17:14 PM
We're committing a lot of players forward very early, almost like we're continuing on from the Bournemouth game

as we should be
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 09:19:02 PM
nice blankets them
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:19:02 PM
Ref letting 'em play.  Nice tackle by Davies.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
We're committing a lot of players forward very early, almost like we're continuing on from the Bournemouth game

Confidence
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 09:20:04 PM
Oh Rom lol
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:20:16 PM
 lolol lolol Fucking hell. Cash in on Rom.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:20:19 PM
as we should be

Not sure about that, the Bournemouth game got stupid towards the end.

We don't need to take that sort of risk to beat Boro
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ball8y on February 11, 2017, 09:20:21 PM
"Foul by Foreshaw"
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
hahaha! Rom taking the piss there!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:20:45 PM
We're getting one of those Lukaku performances today.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: april on February 11, 2017, 09:20:48 PM
May I be the first to coin a "Lookaku" or "Lukman" combo?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:21:27 PM
Confidence

Our balls have definitely dropped.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:21:56 PM
Our balls have definitely dropped.

Forshaw homie.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:22:01 PM
May I be the first to coin a "Lookaku" or "Lukman" combo?

"Tooth-kaku??"
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:23:02 PM
Loving this high pressure
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
I wish West Brom would just fuck right off.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:24:33 PM
We seem to be taking a little too long with the final pass.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:24:34 PM
I wish West Brom would just fuck right off.

On the other hand, they're doing over West Ham.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:24:52 PM
We're looking unduly troubled by the long punt forward so far
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 11, 2017, 09:24:54 PM
We're getting one of those Lukaku performances today.

Get Kone on !
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bally on February 11, 2017, 09:24:54 PM
"Tooth-kaku??"
Ademolu
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:25:39 PM
Davies is the centerpiece of the attack, love it!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:26:14 PM
I wish West Brom would just fuck right off.

If West Brom go above us it means we aren't doing what we need to and would clearly be out of the European positions. I don't really give a crap if we're 7th or 8th. What matters is the positions above.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 09:26:39 PM
I wish West Brom would just fuck right off.

I'm more interested on the teams above.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 11, 2017, 09:27:08 PM
Having a nightmare with streams here guys.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: april on February 11, 2017, 09:27:53 PM
Having a nightmare with streams here guys.
http://neolive.net/71912/1/Watch-Middlesbrough-vs-Everton-FC-/
Working OK for me.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: howard1334 on February 11, 2017, 09:28:16 PM
If West Brom go above us it means we aren't doing what we need to and would clearly be out of the European positions. I don't really give a crap if we're 7th or 8th. What matters is the positions above.

Except there is a good chance that 7th will qualify us for Europe.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 09:28:59 PM
I'm more interested on the teams above.

So are everyone but it's perfectly acceptable to just hate West Brom and Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:29:06 PM
Coleman saved our asses there.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 09:29:16 PM
so frail defensively
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:29:20 PM
Riding our luck here.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: cantoffee on February 11, 2017, 09:29:24 PM
Can't let traore walk through like that. Got to get stuck into him.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
got away with a few mistakes there
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 09:29:37 PM
brilliant from Coleman that
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:29:45 PM
Coleman saved us twice there
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:30:07 PM
How flappy are we at the back still?

We need to score to quiet them down.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: cantoffee on February 11, 2017, 09:30:20 PM
Had to score there
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:30:26 PM
Can't be missing those Lukaku.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:30:28 PM
This is the 2nd dodgy match in a row for Williams.

And I can't believe Rom missed that, FFS
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:30:32 PM
Crap. What a chance.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:30:34 PM
Really need Lukaku to make it stick here
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:30:53 PM
Yeah he's not having it today Lukaku
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 09:30:55 PM
first save Valdes has made all season that isn't it?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2017, 09:31:02 PM
Its the 2 extremes either we are too slow and willing to accept contact before every pass or we are hitting up to Lukaku way too quick
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 09:31:05 PM
Just expect the net to bulge there
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:31:31 PM
On second look, that was maybe just an excellent save.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 09:31:41 PM
red jersey wearing cunts
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on February 11, 2017, 09:31:54 PM
Unlucky Rom.

Still can't believe Victor Valdes is playing for Middlesbrough.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 09:32:30 PM
He should have chipped it.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:33:38 PM
Think today might be a bit to physical for Barkley, getting bullied so far
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:34:10 PM
Such odd mistakes to make by some of our players.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on February 11, 2017, 09:34:14 PM
I think Boro have finally worked out that if they push more forward then our defence will shit themselves. 
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:34:24 PM
I think the defender closing in prevented him from chipping it.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 09:34:33 PM
Williams is all over the place
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:34:44 PM
Think today might be a bit to physical for Barkley, getting bullied so far

He's just taking a hair too long, he's giving as good as he gets for the most part.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on February 11, 2017, 09:35:11 PM
How on earth do BT get their Soccer Saturday thing so horribly wrong?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on February 11, 2017, 09:35:35 PM
Such odd mistakes to make by some of our players.

Agree. We do not look like we are up for it today. Surprisingly we look a bit more like a Martinez team today
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:35:49 PM
He's just taking a hair too long, he's giving as good as he gets for the most part.

Maybe, he's come off second best in most 50-50s so far though
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on February 11, 2017, 09:36:18 PM
Think Barkley is doing okay, Gueye has been poor though
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueski on February 11, 2017, 09:37:00 PM
Did the boot man put the wrong studs in?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:37:02 PM
Think Barkley is doing okay, Gueye has been poor though

Looks a bit rusty.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on February 11, 2017, 09:37:16 PM
Match screams of we will have to be clinical with our opportunities because we do not look likely to get many of them today.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:37:35 PM
I think we're missing Barry in the middle, he'd calm things down in a game like this
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on February 11, 2017, 09:38:06 PM
Gueye and Schneiderlin aren't really getting much done today so far.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:38:31 PM
I think we're missing Barry in the middle, he'd calm things down in a game like this

He'll definitely be coming in for someone, probably Gana (around 60')
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:38:59 PM
Fucking hate Lukaku when he's like this.

Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 09:39:08 PM
these are toothless but we need to sharpen ours up
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2017, 09:39:26 PM
Think Barkley is doing okay, Gueye has been poor though

Thought Gueye is fantastic. Made 4 or 5 tackles already. Barkley needs to get away from his marker quicker. Hes inviting contact and getting roughed up a bit
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:40:06 PM
Gueye and Schneiderlin aren't really getting much done today so far.

They're covering a lot of ground and pressing well, but it's like the rest of the team aren't used to the midfield two doing that so it looks disjointed
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:40:18 PM
Too much time on the ball.  FUCK
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 09:40:24 PM
Everyone around us winning today, one of those weeks we'd need to win to stay still.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 09:40:25 PM
Should have scored then.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on February 11, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
Seamus, chip it top corner next time!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: cantoffee on February 11, 2017, 09:40:43 PM
Barkley running the game here. He seems to only one who can unlock their defence so far.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on February 11, 2017, 09:40:53 PM
Chance there. But good tackle by Snide on their counterattack.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on February 11, 2017, 09:40:54 PM
what a tackle from Schneiderlin then!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: howard1334 on February 11, 2017, 09:40:56 PM
Need more from Lookman.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 09:41:33 PM
Thought Gueye is fantastic. Made 4 or 5 tackles already. Barkley needs to get away from his marker quicker. Hes inviting contact and getting roughed up a bit

For a big lad he's a bit soft sometimes.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:42:10 PM
Need more from Lookman.

Tough game for a young lad this one
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: hill135 on February 11, 2017, 09:43:11 PM
I'm at work so missing it.

Is Ross playing from the flank or narrower?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:43:14 PM
Need more from Lookman.

He did very well to get two shots off there.

He's a penalty box player, I'm not sure on him on the left.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on February 11, 2017, 09:43:21 PM
Thought Gueye is fantastic. Made 4 or 5 tackles already. Barkley needs to get away from his marker quicker. Hes inviting contact and getting roughed up a bit
Made a few tackles, keeps giving the ball away though, as said he just looks a little rusty when in possession
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:43:26 PM
Lookman showing some nice ambition, at least.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:43:37 PM
Need more from Lookman.

He's doing well, what are you talking about?.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: howard1334 on February 11, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
Tough game for a young lad this one

Totally fair. But he is on the pitch and he needs to stay involved, just like we would be asking Mirallas to do as well.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: howard1334 on February 11, 2017, 09:44:30 PM
He's doing well, what are you talking about?.

I wrote that before he was involved in three scoring opportunities haha
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 09:44:43 PM
It'll take a bit of time for Schneiderlin and Gueye to work out who does what job instead of treading on each others toes.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: hill135 on February 11, 2017, 09:45:45 PM
Gabbiadini scored again!

Maybe we could have done with him after all!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:45:56 PM
We need to stop looking for whistles.  They ain't coming.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 09:46:09 PM
That's not premier league defending that..
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
Still not sold on Ashley Williams at all
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: howard1334 on February 11, 2017, 09:46:55 PM
Gueye has terrific balance.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 09:47:03 PM
The frequency of times that Funes Mori has no idea where the ball is is terrifying.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 11, 2017, 09:47:14 PM
The more I watch Mori and Williams, the more I think Jags must have fucked Koeman's daughter.  Or mum.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 09:48:05 PM
The frequency of times that Funes Mori has no idea where the ball is is terrifying.

He's not 1st team material at this level.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: brap2 on February 11, 2017, 09:48:11 PM
God that traore is a nightmare.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 09:48:31 PM
Lookman would be better centrally, I think we'd look better with 5 at the back again against these.

Drop Barkley back into a midfield three and bring on Holgate for Gueye
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 09:50:25 PM
The more I watch Mori and Williams, the more I think Jags must have fucked Koeman's daughter.  Or mum.
Or more likely he's completely finished.  Neither have been anywhere close to convincing that half.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 11, 2017, 09:50:56 PM
Still not sold on Ashley Williams at all

We agree on something at least .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 11, 2017, 09:50:58 PM
Still not sold on Ashley Williams at all

He's a bit of a myth
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 11, 2017, 09:51:38 PM
I think we've done pretty well, and should be ahead. Gana struggled early on but found his feet as the game wore on. Ross has been excellent, and Davies and Schneiderlin have been impressive.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: hannu on February 11, 2017, 09:51:58 PM
any good links guys?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blue slug on February 11, 2017, 09:52:21 PM
I think two new centre halfs are required in the summer
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 09:53:16 PM
I think we'll wear these down in the end
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: pjk on February 11, 2017, 09:53:33 PM
any good links guys?



http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/middlesbrough-vs-everton-live-streaming :)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 09:53:41 PM
I can't be the only one who thought Rom would score on that 1-on-1?

Feels like the Palace match. Keep persevering and we'll find the breakthrough.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 09:53:42 PM
Again though, mori has made some very crucial interceptions. He's the better of the two centre halves.

Williams is all over the place and giving the ball away needlessly.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 09:54:03 PM
That Gabbiadini looks mustard actually. Might have missed out on one there.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on February 11, 2017, 09:54:34 PM
We've been alright in the first half. Some good chances going forward, but we do look shaky at the back and somehow Traore has managed to bulldoze through the midfield.

Not really sure how we can change things, I wouldn't mind bringing on Holgate to create a 3 man central defence and take off maybe Gueye. Perhaps bring Valencia late on if we are still very much in need of a goal, maybe even bring on Kone if we are very very desperate.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 09:55:20 PM
That Gabbiadini looks mustard actually. Might have missed out on one there.

Not after two matches.

He seems to have similar attributes to Jelavic and we seen how that worked out.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 09:55:59 PM
Mori's not been bad today (just average).  Williams has.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 09:56:19 PM
He's a bit of a myth

Never been a top half player. Poor business spending that much on a stop gap player who didn't have any pedigree.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 09:57:08 PM
Now Tim Sherwood is on my stream.

I knew there was a bad feeling about today.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: everton1952 on February 11, 2017, 09:57:22 PM
I am confident Koeman will sort out the centre back positions next season.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 09:57:57 PM
We have been losing far too many tackles in 50-50's. Gueye and Barkley in particular. Mori is a liability. Other than that we have looked quite good and it's been a decent game too.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 09:58:01 PM
Not after two matches.

He seems to have similar attributes to Jelavic and we seen how that worked out.

No one has similar attributes to Jelavic.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 09:58:08 PM
with a bit of wisdom we'll grind this out
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 11, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
Ross has found some lovely passes in behind Fabio, and I'm enjoying seeing Davies breaking beyond Rom from midfield. It gives a pleasing fluidity.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2017, 09:58:46 PM
Not sure about playing Barkley and Davies... one or the other for me and Davies is the better this half. Barkley again too slow and getting caught in possession.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: pjk on February 11, 2017, 09:59:11 PM
Gana's slowing our quick attacking moves down when we're breaking out from defence and Funes Mori looks very suspect today. Other than that we're giving a fair account of ourselves. will expect us to beat this side in  the second half. We're fitter than them and they've run themselves ragged. It will probably show in the last 20 minutes. :)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 09:59:21 PM
just need to polish one off
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: hill135 on February 11, 2017, 10:00:04 PM
No one has similar attributes to Jelavic.

What about Bambi on ice?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 10:00:20 PM
just need to polish one off

You'll have to be quick it's about to kick off again..
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 10:01:08 PM
Not sure about playing Barkley and Davies... one or the other for me and Davies is the better this half. Barkley again too slow and getting caught in possession.

jesus fucking christ
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 11, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
Surprised Ross is getting criticism. I must be watching a different game.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 10:01:34 PM
No need to change anything yet. Just need to move it quicker from back to front and get Ross further up the pitch.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 10:02:26 PM
brace yourself lids
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:02:43 PM
Ross and Davies together are a dynamic combination, in my view.  I'd only play Davies with Barkley on the pitch.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:02:51 PM
I think Ross has been quite poor myself tbh.

Certainly not reaching the levels of recent weeks.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:03:38 PM
gifting too many corners
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: pjk on February 11, 2017, 10:04:26 PM
Fuck all wrong with Ross. He's got a marker stuck to him like a Limpet and he's still managing to move it about in tight situations. Get off his fucking back.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 10:04:28 PM
Barkley faded after a very positive first 20.

Like most of them to be fair.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:04:31 PM
I think Ross has been quite poor myself tbh.

Certainly not reaching the levels of recent weeks.

Agree with your 2nd sentence, but I credit Boro for that.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2017, 10:05:19 PM
jesus fucking christ

You think Barkley is ?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:05:56 PM
No one has similar attributes to Jelavic.

I do.

Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on February 11, 2017, 10:06:14 PM
Traoré is a beast.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
He has got something Traore. Just needs it harnessing.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: cantoffee on February 11, 2017, 10:06:55 PM
Gueye hasn't been at it today. Too many loose passes
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: cantoffee on February 11, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
Traore is a problem
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:07:36 PM
That Traore is destroying us.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:07:44 PM
Gueye hasn't been at it today. Too many loose passes

2 weeks ago he was in very warm conditions. Now...
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 10:08:04 PM
fuck off
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:08:10 PM
Either Jags or Holgate needs to come on for Williams.  Now.  He's fucking killing us.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 10:08:17 PM
Bring Del on after 70 minutes.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
Got away with one there.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on February 11, 2017, 10:08:42 PM
Need to get back into this, Boro starting much better this half.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on February 11, 2017, 10:09:08 PM
Might need a change of system here.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:09:14 PM
Think we need to suck them in and catch them on the counter.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: hannu on February 11, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
i missed the first half, we are not looking great so far in this half
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:09:51 PM
That Lukaku chance is looking pretty huge now.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:10:31 PM
they are definitely after all 3 points now, should be open to the counter
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:12:07 PM
We're not getting anything going so far this half.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:14:22 PM
We need a late James McFadden winner here.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 10:14:28 PM
Going to need a Coleman cracker today it seems
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 10:14:37 PM
He's not 1st team material at this level.

I'd honesty have him over Williams
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on February 11, 2017, 10:15:00 PM
Struggling a bit here
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Fynci on February 11, 2017, 10:15:21 PM
We've been really poor today. I'm just not sure that we have answers on the bench.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:15:27 PM
Going to need a Coleman cracker today it seems

problem is, he's the only one playing good defense!  How can we send him forward?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:15:41 PM
Wonder if we might see Lennon on for Lookman.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:15:44 PM
Thank god the former Evertonian won't score against us.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2017, 10:15:57 PM
Davies off Barry on for me now
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:16:13 PM
Is it time to try the Mori/Holgate pairing? 
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:16:20 PM
Shite this
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 10:16:57 PM
If we don't have the players to make a big change, let's change the shape/system
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 10:16:59 PM
problem is, he's the only one playing good defense!  How can we send him forward?

He's Seamus Goalman you can't stop him from going forward. Nobody can!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: pjk on February 11, 2017, 10:17:04 PM
We need Barry on roundabout now for Gana.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:17:38 PM
Thank god the former Evertonian won't score against us.

It was helpful for the commentator to mention that status 450 times during the match.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 10:17:45 PM
I love Gueye but today he's been shit
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 10:18:20 PM
Couple of flailing arms/elbows in the last 5 minutes from Boro
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:18:34 PM
Barry on? I don't think it'd be helpful to slow this down anymore for me.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
who's coming on for Gana, Barry?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:19:21 PM
who's coming on for Gana, Barry?

Valencia.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
Definitely should have been a second yellow there
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:19:48 PM
What the fuck?

He should be off.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:19:53 PM
Valencia.

Ballsy!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2017, 10:20:14 PM
United gaining ahead of us and West Brom behind... need a winner here. COYB !!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on February 11, 2017, 10:20:36 PM
Should be off there that Clayton, twat
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 10:20:41 PM
Forshaw should have had two yellows in the first half and u2 got away with that Adam Clayton.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:21:23 PM
Big 30 or so mins here. Could be pivotal to our season.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on February 11, 2017, 10:21:41 PM
Mike Dean afraid to give a red as he is likely afraid he will get demoted to the Championship again.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: april on February 11, 2017, 10:22:24 PM
Forshaw should have had two yellows in the first half and u2 got away with that Adam Clayton.
Whatever gives you the edge in a match like this.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bally on February 11, 2017, 10:22:35 PM
Should be down to fucking 9 these cunts, Clayton shouldbe off as well as forshaw here
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 11, 2017, 10:22:58 PM
We'll be getting a red here
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:22:58 PM
Big sub that

Going for the win here.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:23:08 PM
Not good enough this.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 10:23:27 PM
Mori is so poor. I know he has his backers on here but he's nowhere near the level we need.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 10:23:50 PM
Mori is so poor. I know he has his backers on here but he's nowhere near the level we need.

He's closer to it than Williams is
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 10:24:08 PM
Whatever gives you the edge in a match like this.

We just need One
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:24:38 PM
Looks dire, but only takes one magic moment.  And we have loads of skill on the pitch.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 10:24:45 PM
He's closer to it than Williams is

False praise.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
C'mon Everton!  We can do this
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:24:56 PM
He's closer to it than Williams is

Amazing how mori is always the one that gets the flack.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:25:00 PM
dirty twat.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ball8y on February 11, 2017, 10:25:02 PM
be lucky here to finish 0-0
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2017, 10:26:03 PM
Shite Barkley !
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:26:13 PM
Great free kick Barkley.../
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:26:31 PM
Oh Lookman.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:26:39 PM
Can't miss that..
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:26:42 PM
Mori can be your 2nd CB, but he can't be your "lead" guy.  Williams doesn't look like he can, either.  VVD??

Left foot denies Lookman, just like it did Rom.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:26:44 PM
Lookamn should have scored.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2017, 10:27:01 PM
Their keeper having a blinder :(
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 10:27:11 PM
FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFF
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluescow on February 11, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
What a chance and good save.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:27:37 PM
Definitely learning from Lukaku.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:27:45 PM
Amazing vision from Ross that
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:28:26 PM
Still proud of the impact and confidence Lookman has shown in this match.  He keeps playing like this, goals will come by the hatful.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:29:05 PM
Hitting everything at Valdes.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 10:29:27 PM
still havnt found what we're looking for
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:29:32 PM
Is Valencia on the pitch?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on February 11, 2017, 10:30:37 PM
*sigh* Lookman off for Lennon
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:30:37 PM
Lennon in the black kit looks like a secret agent.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 10:31:04 PM
C'mon Lennon. So something for a ducking change.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:31:29 PM
Hammers draw level
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:32:09 PM
It seems relatively easy to run through our team.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 10:32:12 PM
what a surprise Williams gives it away
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on February 11, 2017, 10:34:01 PM
I think these final stretch of matches will hopefully further cement the point that we need 1-2 new CBs in the summer.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 10:35:05 PM
show some  DESIRE
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 11, 2017, 10:35:13 PM
Loving the negativity .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
This game has highlighted our lack of attacking strength which we already knew.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 10:36:03 PM
Loving the negativity .


hahahhaahahahahahahahahahahah ahhaahhahaha
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 10:36:57 PM
What's the point in playing a long ball to Lennon, the smallest player on the pitch?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:37:11 PM
I think these final stretch of matches will hopefully further cement the point that we need 1-2 new CBs in the summer.

I think we have enough depth CBs.  What we need is one top-flight guy who can lead the defense, and train whoever the younger 2nd CB will be (Mori, Holgate, or Galloway).  Williams as the 3rd guy, with the others as depth seems fine to me.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 10:37:15 PM
FUCK OFF WILLIAMS
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 11, 2017, 10:37:26 PM
Williams loves an aimless hoof up the pitch.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:37:52 PM
Urgh keep thinking darron Gibson is playing for us.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 10:37:56 PM
Well in Davies. Crap from Lennon trying a soft arse cross from just outside the box
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluescow on February 11, 2017, 10:38:08 PM
COYB!

We can still win this!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:38:17 PM
Rom needs to be much more direct.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
with or without you Rom lid
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 11, 2017, 10:39:04 PM
Worst game from Rom in a while.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 11, 2017, 10:39:24 PM
Mirallas all day before Lennon the chicken chaser
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on February 11, 2017, 10:40:17 PM
Williams long passing is horrific
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
Worst game from Rom in a while.


It happens to the best of them.

The problem is that we can't take him off when he's not playing well as a shit Lukaku is still better than any of the alternatives we have
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Macca77 on February 11, 2017, 10:41:52 PM
Scrappy shitty game
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:41:55 PM
I'd be more hopeful if we were actually creating chances.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:42:05 PM
On the bright side, I'm about 10 minutes from maximum Prediction League points!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:42:08 PM
Rom has done fuck all today.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2017, 10:42:10 PM
High flying Spurs only won 1-0 here late on. Not an easy place.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 10:42:14 PM
Can't see this ending 0-0, really stretched game
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 11, 2017, 10:42:16 PM

It happens to the best of them.

The problem is that we can't take him off when he's not playing well as a shit Lukaku is still better than any of the alternatives we have

He might become more consistent if he doesn't feel he can effectively play when he wants .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 11, 2017, 10:42:57 PM
Really frustrating this, they're there for the taking.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:43:00 PM
That's shocking by Coleman that. He had so much time to do whatever he wanted.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:43:01 PM
that was only his first yellow?  FUCK SAKE
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 10:43:14 PM
th fuck is coleman doing?????????????
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 10:43:52 PM
On the bright side, I'm about 10 minutes from maximum Prediction League points!

think my 7-3 win for us is looking dodgy
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:44:08 PM
Barry one for Barkley?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:44:15 PM
That's shocking by Coleman that. He had so much time to do whatever he wanted.

I'm fuming over that.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 10:44:21 PM
He might become more consistent if he doesn't feel he can effectively play when he wants .

I think he's pretty consistent.

Ronaldo and Messi aside there aren't many players who play well every week
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:44:28 PM
ROBLES!!!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 10:44:31 PM
Strange sub that.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2017, 10:44:31 PM
WHAT.A.SAVE.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: howard1334 on February 11, 2017, 10:44:39 PM
That's shocking by Coleman that. He had so much time to do whatever he wanted.

Don't think he realized he was unmarked. Really unfortunate; could have driven at goal.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:44:40 PM
Save Robles.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:44:52 PM
Save Robles
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluescow on February 11, 2017, 10:44:53 PM
Barry in for Barkley.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: pjk on February 11, 2017, 10:45:16 PM
Robles there again.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:45:26 PM
Williams awful today.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 11, 2017, 10:45:27 PM
Hope it's one of those ones where you're thinking "the fuck are these substitutions" and then end up bowing to Koeman's mystifying genius.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 10:45:30 PM
west brom losing
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:45:46 PM
What an amazing save
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 10:45:50 PM
The rehabilitation of Robles continues
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 11, 2017, 10:45:54 PM
We shit today. take 0-0
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluescow on February 11, 2017, 10:46:00 PM
Thank you Robles!
Keeps impressing me...lot of important saves lately-
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:46:10 PM
That was as good as any he's made in his uber-hot run.  Incredible reflexes.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluescow on February 11, 2017, 10:46:21 PM
West Ham up tp 2-1
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 10:46:28 PM
i still cant believe what coleman did
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on February 11, 2017, 10:46:45 PM
Shit subs
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 11, 2017, 10:47:06 PM
Williams awful today.

There is no need for the ' today ' on the end there .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:48:00 PM
High flying Spurs only won 1-0 here late on. Not an easy place.

West Ham won 3-1 there.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:48:11 PM
Davies has been awful this half.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:48:13 PM
Mori played it textbook for once.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:49:07 PM
This our first corner?  No, 2nd.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:49:10 PM
Our final ball has been terrible.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on February 11, 2017, 10:49:48 PM
Been a tough game this one, Boro are very solid defensively
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on February 11, 2017, 10:49:50 PM
Everybody looks knackered
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 10:49:53 PM
feck it anyway, was full sure we'd stuff these
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:50:21 PM
Everton B having a worse day than us....
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 11, 2017, 10:50:25 PM
Fuck off
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on February 11, 2017, 10:50:42 PM
Hard fought draw, no complaints at the result.

Tough place, tough conditions, battling opponents.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:50:56 PM
Miserable game.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 11, 2017, 10:50:57 PM
What a shit game.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 10:51:24 PM
Wish we could have pinched a goal from last week to tack on to this week.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 10:51:31 PM
absolutely shite that
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on February 11, 2017, 10:52:16 PM
To be fair any point away from home in the Premier League is decent, plus the weather was pretty dire
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueToffee on February 11, 2017, 10:52:23 PM
Hard fought draw, no complaints at the result.

Tough place, tough conditions, battling opponents.

Overall, I think you have to look at it this way.

We started brightly but they're a tough team to break down. We're away from home, a point is not bad.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 11, 2017, 10:52:37 PM
Come on you spurs.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 10:52:42 PM
Shit match
Shit performance
Shit weather

Just shit all around.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 11, 2017, 10:52:46 PM
Did Ben Gibson look like a £30m player?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 10:52:52 PM
west brom equalise
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2017, 10:53:20 PM
Not many of them will be happy with their performances today. Just a bad day at the office really after a decent start.

A point away isn't the worse result though and it keeps the unbeaten run going.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Confucius on February 11, 2017, 10:53:31 PM
Tough to play in those conditions. Slows everything down making it easier to get men back behind the ball. Their keeper having a blinder too. As did ours admittedly. We take our point and move on.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 11, 2017, 10:53:57 PM
We had our chances to score, they had theirs. Cannot complain with the draw. Feel if we had asserted ourselves more though we might of stuffed them.

Winning at home and drawing away is not a bad habit to have.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 11, 2017, 10:54:15 PM
People going seriously overboard.

Away from home. We played alright. Should've scored at least two. Just wasn't our day.

We're still unbeaten since Xmas.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: everton1952 on February 11, 2017, 10:54:29 PM
Gross over reactions from some, as usual. What a total plank Ronnie Goodlass is on Radio Merseyside.  In between his many uses of  burrreerrr, he talks shite. Few away games in the PL are easy or there for the taking. Good point against a hard working desperate side.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 10:54:33 PM
unbeaten run continues at least
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2017, 10:54:37 PM
Just nothing quite worked. The subs were poor. The tempo was either too slow or too quick. We couldnt get lukaku into the game. We wasted some decent opportunities for a final ball. Just wasnt quite our day. Not a bad point all things considered. We arent going to get top 6 all of them sides are better than us and have a points start on us
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Robioto on February 11, 2017, 10:55:19 PM
Draw isn't the end of the world today. Hard place to go with thier defence. Should beat Sunderland next week and we'll be back on track.

West Brom need to fuck off though, bastards have equalised as I was typing this...
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 11, 2017, 10:55:22 PM
With Sunderland at home next a point here isn't a terrible result. We must win next week though!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:55:35 PM
Hard fought draw, no complaints at the result.

Tough place, tough conditions, battling opponents.

Yeah, once the downpour started, my fatalism properly kicked in.  Thank fuck for Coleman, Bainesy, and Robles keeping it at nil-nil.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blue1948 on February 11, 2017, 10:55:46 PM
We had our chances to score, they had theirs. Cannot complain with the draw. Feel if we had asserted ourselves more though we might of stuffed them.

Winning at home and drawing away is not a bad habit to have.
Top teams are not happy with that
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on February 11, 2017, 10:56:11 PM
Good defensive team and we didn't capitalize on our chances. Fair result but not one we should be happy about.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 11, 2017, 10:56:14 PM
Need to take those gilt edged chances in games like that against a side that's defensively sound. Still thought we deserved the win but didn't have our finishing boots on.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 10:56:35 PM
Don't understand why we didn't just go three at the back with a bench as shit as that.

Holgate was the most attacking sub we could have made.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Robioto on February 11, 2017, 10:56:59 PM
Top teams are not happy with that

We are not a top team though. There is a long way to go until we are.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:57:07 PM
With Sunderland at home next a point here isn't a terrible result. We must win next week though!

Two weeks, right??

/breaks in February are especially depressing
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2017, 10:57:14 PM
Top teams are not happy with that

We arent a top team though. We are a work in progress. We arent a top team because we want to be
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on February 11, 2017, 10:57:35 PM
Top teams are not happy with that

If you win all your home games and draw all your away, you end up with 76 points mate. Lets not pretend that isn't good form. I suspect only Chelsea will better that points tally this year.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 10:57:53 PM
7th was always the most likely spot anyway. It was nice to dream, briefly.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 10:58:09 PM
There's a difference between "happy with that" and "I can understand and won't go overboard like a spoiled brat."
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 10:59:06 PM
Lennon and Valencia offered fifty shades of nothing when they came on.

We had 4 really good chances and couldn't take them.  They had one and Joel pulled out a blinder.

0-0 isn't a bad result.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blue1948 on February 11, 2017, 10:59:19 PM
I think we we all at sea from the off ,Davies was too far forward Gana was off the pace for the first 30 mins ,Lukaku never saw the ball , for me bad tactics .We needed McCarthy the way he has been playing and Mirallas instead of Lennon
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on February 11, 2017, 11:00:14 PM
Top teams are not happy with that

It's how Ferguson's Man Utd used to do it according to Beckham, he said "He'd tell us to win our home games and get what we could on the road"
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 11:00:17 PM
Lennon and Valencia offered fifty shades of nothing when they came on.

We had 4 really good chances and couldn't take them.  They had one and Joel pulled out a blinder.

0-0 isn't a bad result.

Four is a bit excessive, my count count two.

We didn't really get Lukaku into the game enough today.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blue1948 on February 11, 2017, 11:00:56 PM
We are not a top team though. There is a long way to go until we are.

It starts with the mindset ,if you don't think you are good enough then you never will be
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 11, 2017, 11:01:11 PM
Oh and we miss Bolasie.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on February 11, 2017, 11:01:29 PM
Frustrating game but can't complain too much about the result.

We played quite decent in plenty of patches during the game but Boro are tough and physical and it was always going to be a challenge to break them down. But we did have 2-3 great chances to score which were blocked by Barcelona's former No.1 keeper (how the fuck did he end up at Boro?). On another day we'd have got a 1-0 win.

Robles my MOTM, just for keeping Boro from scoring.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: plowman2 on February 11, 2017, 11:01:55 PM
Just watched the replay and that was one powerful header Robles saved!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Danny on February 11, 2017, 11:02:07 PM
Think we missed Mirallas the most, Lookman was great but you have to feel Mirallas would have scored that chance.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Robioto on February 11, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
It starts with the mindset ,if you don't think you are good enough then you never will be


Whatever lad...
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blue1948 on February 11, 2017, 11:03:55 PM
For the sake of it I never said we were a top team I just said that top teams would not be happy with that points total which was affirmed by the fact the top team will beat that .I rest my case
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blue1948 on February 11, 2017, 11:04:44 PM
Whatever lad...
What is this whatever ? If that is the best you can offer????
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 11, 2017, 11:06:40 PM
They kept Penalty Hotspur at bay last week to be fair.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: pjk on February 11, 2017, 11:07:28 PM
It was a hard fought game and we had a go at winning it. We lacked that little bit of extra quality we've been showing, but that comes with time. Their heavy duty tackling and their ferociousness never allowed us to settle into any long term dominance, we only dominated  in patches, but that will come. It's an away point and when we're a top side, obviously I won't be satisfied with it. :)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 11:07:31 PM
For the sake of it I never said we were a top team I just said that top teams would not be happy with that points total which was affirmed by the fact the top team will beat that .I rest my case

alrite matlock lad
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 11, 2017, 11:09:56 PM
Four is a bit excessive, my count count two.

We didn't really get Lukaku into the game enough today.
2 good, 2 very good is probably a better description then.  On another day Lukaku would have slotted, and Lookman would have had at least one of his.

And yes, the lack of service to Rom was abysmal today.

These days will happen.  It says a lot that we had a day like this and still kept a clean sheet and got the draw.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 11, 2017, 11:12:33 PM
im pretty gutted really. Should be beating teams like that. i think after last week as well its shite to go from scoring 6 to 0. Lookman should of scored, so should Lukaku. Worse that we have to wait so long to make amends. Just hope Spurs beat the shite.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 11, 2017, 11:17:27 PM
I'm loving Robles, though.  We can put that Keeper money towards the bossest #1 CB money can buy.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 11, 2017, 11:18:05 PM
2 good, 2 very good is probably a better description then.  On another day Lukaku would have slotted, and Lookman would have had at least one of his.

And yes, the lack of service to Rom was abysmal today.

These days will happen.  It says a lot that we had a day like this and still kept a clean sheet and got the draw.

Boro are fighting for their lives, we'll probably end up where we are now, so really they will be hurting more than us at this point.

BUt we kept mental strength and got the point in horrible conditions. Hopefully we won't have to play there for a while.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blue1948 on February 11, 2017, 11:18:19 PM
alrite matlock lad

And that means?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 11, 2017, 11:21:35 PM
And that means?

Matlock was a TV show about a criminal defence attorney

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matlock_(TV_series)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheTone on February 11, 2017, 11:22:51 PM
And that means?

during the war....
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 11, 2017, 11:59:58 PM
Today is when Koeman probably realised how much there still is to do, when he looked at his bench.

Two injuries and it shows how thin the squad is.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 12, 2017, 12:21:38 AM
Today is when Koeman probably realised how much there still is to do, when he looked at his bench.

Two injuries and it shows how thin the squad is.

Yeah, although I doubt very much he is under any illusions.

It would, however, strengthen his hand in the quest for major reinforcements in the summer... although, I suspect Moshiri and Walsh are under no illusions either.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blargins on February 12, 2017, 12:22:46 AM
It's more than 2 injuries too.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluebridge on February 12, 2017, 12:22:50 AM
We are not a top team though. There is a long way to go until we are.
And we are not happy either ;)
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 12, 2017, 12:40:53 AM
Oh and we miss Bolasie.

My God, if we only had him back now, added to the Lookman/Davies/Barkley spark that's been added going forward.  We'd be, in my view, one CB away from a Top 4 side.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: blueski on February 12, 2017, 12:42:34 AM
well we can't win every one and we are top of the form table at the moment or at least were prior to the weeks results
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 12, 2017, 12:56:13 AM
My God, if we only had him back now, added to the Lookman/Davies/Barkley spark that's been added going forward.  We'd be, in my view, one CB away from a Top 4 side.

Yes, he would be a great help.

I also think we missed the drive of McCarthy from last week, although another hamstring niggle perhaps reveals why he plays within himself/shite most of the time (his hamstrings are made of glass)

Gana will be back up to speed soon though, and I see the midfield trio of Gana, Schneiderlin, and Davies as a real strength for us.

I really think we need two top-class CB's; Mori is loveable but mental, and Williams is a slowly-moving myth of a player.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 12, 2017, 01:00:40 AM
Yes, he would be a great help.

I also think we missed the drive of McCarthy from last week, although another hamstring niggle perhaps reveals why he plays within himself/shite most of the time (his hamstrings are made of glass)

Gana will be back up to speed soon though, and I see the midfield trio of Gana, Schneiderlin, and Davies as a real strength for us.

I really think we need two top-class CB's; Mori is loveable but mental, and Williams is a slowly-moving myth of a player.

My thinking is that one of our youngsters will come good playing alongside the right #1.  Not sure whether that will be Mori, Holgate, or Galloway, but I would like to try that before I buy two.  Mori was playing a lot better in the first half when Williams was on form.

But if the right deal presents itself, sure.  Buy two.  But if it's an either/or, I'd rather buy 1 excellent player than 2 good ones.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 12, 2017, 01:06:53 AM
My thinking is that one of our youngsters will come good playing alongside the right #1.  Not sure whether that will be Mori, Holgate, or Galloway, but I would like to try that before I buy two.  Mori was playing a lot better in the first half when Williams was on form.

But if the right deal presents itself, sure.  Buy two.  But if it's an either/or, I'd rather buy 1 excellent player than 2 good ones.

Jags is definitely on the way out though, and seeing as he likes to play three at the back when the time is right, two new ones will be a necessity.

I also can't see Holgate or Galloway being solid in a two CB situation anytime soon, if ever, as I think both of them will be more effective as FB's or as part of a three CB system.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 12, 2017, 01:08:40 AM
I wish we had the chance to see them play CB in a Cup situation, for example.  To see what they can do there.  Though at this point, I worry about Galloway's confidence as much as anything.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: brap2 on February 12, 2017, 01:58:00 AM
Williams is your rock, and he isn't hard enough.

And Mori is your baller, and he doesn't have enough ability.

Two CB's needed. Two top CB's needed.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 12, 2017, 02:52:01 AM
Terrible game that, absolutely shite to watch, but a points a point like.

Robles MOM deffo.

Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rhys on February 12, 2017, 03:05:09 AM
The lack of depth we have is a reason why we aren't going to win a huge amount of games and why we can't expect to win every away game like some fans seem to expect. People saying we should be winning at Stoke, boro and palace if want to achieve anything. We aren't that good yet, and yes in one off games of course we can win them but we aren't going to suddenly start winning all of them.

Lukaku had a poor game, yes the service to him wasn't good but when it went to him it bounced off him today. Barkley was poor, lookman didn't play well. Yes mirallas and bolasie are out, but we are bringing 2 players on in the forward roles who aren't good enough for us and its hope that it might change something.

Lookman looks like he is better suited to coming off the bench than starting as both games he has started he has faded out quite a lot and had good moments but is starting right now because the alternatives are lacking.

We are at the level we are at, we will win a decent amount of games, we will get 60-65 points in my opinion, we won't concede a huge amount of goals or lose a lot of matches and we will finish 7th. Which is right for where we are out in terms of quality, depth. So for me there shouldn't be the need for booing at the end like there was from some fans, and there shouldn't be the need for complete despair at not winning like there is from a lot on social media etc.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 12, 2017, 03:06:23 AM
Williams is your rock, and he isn't hard enough.

And Mori is your baller, and he doesn't have enough ability.

Two CB's needed. Two top CB's needed.

Am I being badly leftist to hate the fact we have a partnership of two left footed CBs?
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: brap2 on February 12, 2017, 03:08:02 AM
Am I being badly leftist to hate the fact we have a partnership of two left footed CBs?

We've got 2 left footed cb's with 4 left feet between them is the main problem.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 12, 2017, 03:11:47 AM
We've got 2 left footed cb's with 4 left feet between them is the main problem.

Would you start Holgate?

*Prepares to get lynched by Jimmy and Ram*
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rhys on February 12, 2017, 03:13:54 AM
Am I being badly leftist to hate the fact we have a partnership of two left footed CBs?

Williams is right footed....
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 12, 2017, 03:14:24 AM
Williams is right footed....

He's worse than I thought.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 12, 2017, 03:17:17 AM
Williams has been a disappointment tbh, mori is mori

Didn't think Jagielka was that much worse than either before being dropped

Like Holgate in a 3... Is he good enough, strong enough in a 2...  guess we won't know till we find out
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 12, 2017, 03:32:58 AM
Would you start Holgate?

*Prepares to get lynched by Jimmy and Ram*

Haha.

Have not been impressed with him at CB.

I'd keep it as it is for now. They've been generally solid for the most part.

No need to made any drastic changes just yet.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 12, 2017, 03:33:42 AM
Would you start Holgate?

*Prepares to get lynched by Jimmy and Ram*

I would start Mori and Holgate for a few games, see how they do.  I think it's worth the small risk.  We also have two weeks before the next match to prepare them.

/God help you if I'm agreeing, can't help support your opinion
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 12, 2017, 03:34:55 AM
I would start Mori and Holgate for a few games, see how they do.  I think it's worth the small risk.  We also have two weeks before the next match to prepare them.

/God help you if I'm agreeing, can't help support your opinion
Mori is worse than Williams

If Holgate is to play he has to be alongside Williams or Jagielka imo
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 12, 2017, 03:35:15 AM
Haha.

Have not been impressed with him at CB.

I'd keep it as it is for now. They've been generally solid for the most part.

No need to made any drastic changes just yet.

It's very unlikely Holgate is the answer.

Throw £20m at that Stones lad in the summer, I reckon.

Also, has Joel maybe masked the deficiencies of the Funes-Williams partnership so far? Plenty of times he's had to make good stops in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 12, 2017, 03:35:54 AM
It's very unlikely Holgate is the answer.

Throw £20m at that Stones lad in the summer, I reckon.

Naaa shite him
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 12, 2017, 03:36:39 AM
Is it wrong that I wouldn't want Stones back at any price?  I think he really might be ruined.  A shame, really.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 12, 2017, 03:37:27 AM
Is it wrong that I wouldn't want Stones back at any price?  I think he really might be ruined.  A shame, really.

Would love to see what Koeman could do with him.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 12, 2017, 03:38:24 AM
Would love to see what Koeman could do with him.

Fair point.  If Koeman met him and wanted to have a go, I'd be behind it 100%.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: brap2 on February 12, 2017, 03:46:43 AM
Would you start Holgate?

*Prepares to get lynched by Jimmy and Ram*

Unfortunately, no.

Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on February 12, 2017, 04:07:45 AM
Didn't see any of the game today. Seems to be a lot of fuming about the defence despite us not conceding

Though I do think that a couple of defensive additions are needed in the summer I still think our most important next signing is a creative midfielder to link the midfield and attack and unlock opposition defences

We seem to get frustrated by sides who sit back and dont come at us. I think the hatful of goals we put past City and Bournemouth had something to do with the way they set up against us, as opposed to the way Stoke and probably Boro did today

We're not gonna blast everyone away each week and some of the toughest/most frustrating games for us will be against the likes of Boro and Stoke

I know a lot of fans expected us to win both of these games comfortably

Spoiler alert: we probably won't beat West Brom 5-0 when we play them, but that's not because we are shite, it's because they set up like total twats

Ideal game for us is a side who has a go at us and leaves space in behind for us to exploit. Finding that man who makes magic happen against sides who put lots of players behind the ball is the key for me
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 12, 2017, 04:14:18 AM
Didn't see any of the game today. Seems to be a lot of fuming about the defence despite us not conceding

Though I do think that a couple of defensive additions are needed in the summer I still think our most important next signing is a creative midfielder to link the midfield and attack and unlock opposition defences

We seem to get frustrated by sides who sit back and dont come at us. I think the hatful of goals we put past City and Bournemouth had something to do with the way they set up against us, as opposed to the way Stoke and probably Boro did today

We're not gonna blast everyone away each week and some of the toughest/most frustrating games for us will be against the likes of Boro and Stoke

I know a lot of fans expected us to win both of these games comfortably

Spoiler alert: we probably won't beat West Brom 5-0 when we play them, but that's not because we are shite, it's because they set up like total twats

Ideal game for us is a side who has a go at us and leaves space in behind for us to exploit. Finding that man who makes magic happen against sides who put lots of players behind the ball is the key for me

True. Every team above us have at least one.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 12, 2017, 04:15:53 AM
Ben Gibson was really impressive, wasn't he?

Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: brap2 on February 12, 2017, 04:37:12 AM
Ben Gibson was really impressive, wasn't he?



He was quality, as was Traore.

MOTM valdes, however. Vintage display.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rhys on February 12, 2017, 05:20:50 AM
He was quality, as was Traore.

MOTM valdes, however. Vintage display.

Traore is great at bursting through a gap and going past people. He can't shoot well and doesn't have a decent delivery, so as a result is a limited player. Can have an impact but at anyone good would frustrate more than deulofeu.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Confucius on February 12, 2017, 08:05:51 AM
Wasn't too happy with the Gueye, Schneiderlin partnership. Wasn't dynamic enough or forward thinking enough. Slowed down the game too much and left too much for Barkley/Davies to create from the centre. We have to play 3 at the back if we want to play both Gueye and Schneiderlin in the same team.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sam of the south on February 12, 2017, 08:15:21 AM
Wasn't too happy with the Gueye, Schneiderlin partnership. Wasn't dynamic enough or forward thinking enough. Slowed down the game too much and left too much for Barkley/Davies to create from the centre. We have to play 3 at the back if we want to play both Gueye and Schneiderlin in the same team.

It was their first game together though, Con.

Add to that, Gana has just come back from the AFCON, and Schneiderlin has only just completed a handful of games all season.

I reckon, in time they will become an excellent fulcrum for the rest of the team to play off of.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Confucius on February 12, 2017, 12:32:36 PM
It was their first game together though, Con.

Add to that, Gana has just come back from the AFCON, and Schneiderlin has only just completed a handful of games all season.

I reckon, in time they will become an excellent fulcrum for the rest of the team to play off of.

I hope you right but I just don't see how the partnership will flourish. They both mainly defensively minded and I think the days of 2 DM are over. We need a Davies as one of the 2 and he isn't quite ready.

I hope it does improve but they just seem to want to do the same things and get in each other's way.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on February 12, 2017, 02:03:13 PM
Highlights on MOTD gave me the most worrying look at FuMo I've ever seen.

I've always defended him but he looked awful a couple of times in the clips. Worrying.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: GLewis on February 12, 2017, 02:28:39 PM
Ben Gibson was really impressive, wasn't he?



The issue with this type of player, like Keane at Burnley, is that they play in very defensive / organised teams where they're rarely exposed. Particularly in Gibson's case.

It's hard to judge properly how they'd do in a team that leaves a lot more space.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 12, 2017, 02:37:59 PM
Highlights on MOTD gave me the most worrying look at FuMo I've ever seen.

I've always defended him but he looked awful a couple of times in the clips. Worrying.

He's the worst first team regular CB we've had in over 25 years.

How people still defend him baffles me.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: GLewis on February 12, 2017, 02:40:57 PM
Highlights on MOTD gave me the most worrying look at FuMo I've ever seen.

I've always defended him but he looked awful a couple of times in the clips. Worrying.

He's just too unpredictable for a CB and I don't think he's particularly good at anything.

He's not terrible at anything either but he's a good few levels below what we need.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: tinytheoz on February 12, 2017, 02:42:20 PM
Why play lookman and not give him the ball. He never done great the times when he did have it but it was very limited. We need to see if he is ready.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 12, 2017, 03:05:03 PM
Milkman isn't ready for the full 90 because he fades in the game and seems lost at times.. for now better off the bench. The game yesterday was frustrating and too defensive minded because they set up to stop us finding the spaces... still need a player with the vision to unlock a team that plays like that.
Was concerned how Traore could run through us and we seemed to lack the fight of recent games. Robles again showed he's out number 1 with a stunning save at the death. Gueye looked off too but still did enough.  Shame Mirallas was injured as that game was made for him in a way with a ball over the top.
Last point... why do we stick with Lennon? He's just got nothing to offer other than running around meaninglessly. . Needs to be moved on because a winger who can't cross a ball is really poor.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 12, 2017, 03:06:07 PM
Milkman????? Ducking milkman??? I hate my phone!!!!!!
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: sirblue57 on February 12, 2017, 03:11:33 PM
just watched the highlights on MotD, we had an off day, they defended for their lives, Robles has grown in confidence and is now showing his worth. just about sums it up for me, yeah we need new blood , but we have to be patient.

lets see what the summer brings before going off the deep end .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 12, 2017, 03:33:01 PM
He's the worst first team regular CB we've had in over 25 years.

How people still defend him baffles me.

Jesus wept .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 12, 2017, 03:50:10 PM
Jesus wept .

I don't blame him.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 12, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
Wasn't too happy with the Gueye, Schneiderlin partnership. Wasn't dynamic enough or forward thinking enough. Slowed down the game too much and left too much for Barkley/Davies to create from the centre. We have to play 3 at the back if we want to play both Gueye and Schneiderlin in the same team.

I just think Gueye didn't have a good game, nothing to do with him and Schneiderlin not being good together. I think people go OTT drawing conclusions, when sometimes it's as simple as a player just being a bit off the pace.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on February 12, 2017, 04:05:36 PM
Traore is great at bursting through a gap and going past people. He can't shoot well and doesn't have a decent delivery, so as a result is a limited player. Can have an impact but at anyone good would frustrate more than deulofeu.

Saw a description of Traore the other day that I liked

He's like a Ferrari with a learner driver at the wheel
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 12, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
The other team is allowed to have a game plan and to stifle you. It doesn't mean you've played shite, as a lot of our social media loving fans like to suggest. We opened up a very good defensive team enough times to score, and didn't take the chances. If Rom or Lookman scores, the game opens up and we'd probably have eased away from them. It wasn't to be, but we played fine.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: TheRam on February 12, 2017, 04:22:17 PM
He's the worst first team regular CB we've had in over 25 years.

How people still defend him baffles me.

Mate, if he was as bad as you constantly make out he wouldn't be playing for us and Koeman would've already shipped him out.

Some of the stick he gets is really unfair and I do think people like yiurself have a pre conceived agenda based on the tim vickery stuff.

I'll defend him because he quite clearly isn't as bad as some people make out imo.

Yes, he isn't good enough to be a first choice CB for Everton, but some of the stuff being said about him is massively over the top.

How Williams is not getting the brunt of the stick baffles me tbh.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 12, 2017, 05:19:49 PM
Mate, if he was as bad as you constantly make out he wouldn't be playing for us and Koeman would've already shipped him out.

Some of the stick he gets is really unfair and I do think people like yiurself have a pre conceived agenda based on the tim vickery stuff.

I'll defend him because he quite clearly isn't as bad as some people make out imo.

Yes, he isn't good enough to be a first choice CB for Everton, but some of the stuff being said about him is massively over the top.

How Williams is not getting the brunt of the stick baffles me tbh.

To be fair, I've said he was shite once I'd seen him get a few games under his belt. If I'm honest, perhaps there was a bit of scepticism what with him being a Martinez signed defender, and we hardly covered ourselves in glory when we signed him for 3 million above asking by accident. But nothing he has done since then has convinced me otherwise. It was nothing to do with Vickery, who if I recall flip flopped and retracted his criticism after his first couple of games for us anyway, which tells you everything you need to know about Tim Vickery and the level of analysis that goes into what he says.

The fact he is in our first team says more about the lack of alternatives than it does about his ability. It's the same story with Argentina. Holgate clearly isn't ready and Koeman evidently thinks Jags is finished. It amazes me that Mori gets in ahead of Jags, but I'm not at training every day, so you have to trust the manager knows better and that Jags is truly fucked.

I'm not going to go into everything that is wrong with Mori, I don't think I've said anything massively over the top. Who do you think has been a worse first team regular CB that we've had in the last 25 years? I genuinely can't think of one.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 12, 2017, 05:27:32 PM
Him and Holgate are much better in a 3. Did say this before the match, but everybody seemed to want to play a back 4. No shame in that like. David Luiz is infinitely better in a 3, for example.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on February 12, 2017, 05:32:32 PM
I thought the defence was okay yesterday, Mori and Williams were solid and rarely in trouble, they had one good chance with the header at the end. That Gestede is a monster in the air and they brought him on to cause problems - that chance would have happened whoever you put in there. We can't really be moaning about our defence with a clean sheet away from home. What stood out yesterday was our lack of quality options on the bench to try and win the game late on, makes the decision to get rid of Del in January and not replace him is a bit of a strange one.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 12, 2017, 05:34:59 PM
I thought the defence was okay yesterday, Mori and Williams were solid and rarely in trouble,

Did you watch the game??
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on February 12, 2017, 05:37:15 PM
Yes, did you? The one i saw we didn't concede.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 12, 2017, 05:39:40 PM
Yes, did you? The one i saw we didn't concede.

we didnt concede but i wouldnt say they were solid....flapping all over the place. Williams gives the ball away every single time, mori loses concentration... etc etc
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: charlatan on February 12, 2017, 05:40:53 PM
First away in a ages yesterday.  Funes and Williams were all over the place from the 1st minute.  Gueye was a million miles off the pace.  Williams is quite possibly the worst passer of a ball centre half I've seen at Everton, makes Dave Watson look like Pele.

No urgency at all from the very first whistle, and 2nd to pretty much every ball for the first hour.

Saying that, we had 4 efforts, pretty much one on ones and every one straight at the keeper, Lukaku with 3 of them.  Any other day he would have buried 2 of them.

Boro - Small time bellends.  Pre-game "atmosphere" building, rave tunes flashing floodlights in time with the beat.  Thought I was going to have a fucking seizure.  Oh, and that cunt with the drum.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: charlatan on February 12, 2017, 05:41:47 PM
Oh, and Schneiderlin is the best footballer we've signed since Arteta - the complete package
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: brap2 on February 12, 2017, 05:44:02 PM
Traore is great at bursting through a gap and going past people. He can't shoot well and doesn't have a decent delivery, so as a result is a limited player. Can have an impact but at anyone good would frustrate more than deulofeu.

Yes that all true, an absolute terror who pings it into row z.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on February 12, 2017, 06:31:40 PM
we didnt concede but i wouldnt say they were solid....flapping all over the place. Williams gives the ball away every single time, mori loses concentration... etc etc

Depends what you class as solid i suppose...... they had one chance and another half chance that i can think of, granted Williams and Mori weren't great on the ball, and Mori's positioning at times can be poor, but they clearly did their job, its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. They defended our goal well and didn't concede, what more do you want? Last week against Bournemouth they were all over the place, conceding 3 goals at home, but compared to that they were untroubled.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Macca77 on February 12, 2017, 07:03:46 PM
So the squad fly out to Dubai tomorrow for 5 days warm weather training, its a fucking hard life being a footballer isn't it
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on February 12, 2017, 07:21:09 PM
So the squad fly out to Dubai tomorrow for 5 days warm weather training, its a fucking hard life being a footballer isn't it

Atleast we'll know in two weeks time which destination has had the greater impact on players. New York or Dubai
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 12, 2017, 07:32:30 PM
I don't blame him.

I appreciate the wit but if you think he is the worse in 25 years you haven't been paying attention .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 12, 2017, 07:37:23 PM
Depends what you class as solid i suppose...... they had one chance and another half chance that i can think of, granted Williams and Mori weren't great on the ball, and Mori's positioning at times can be poor, but they clearly did their job, its ridiculous to suggest otherwise. They defended our goal well and didn't concede, what more do you want? Last week against Bournemouth they were all over the place, conceding 3 goals at home, but compared to that they were untroubled.

Not to mention they have conceded fewer than City , Arsenal and Liverpool and the same as us . Bore draw written all over it and it was .
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 12, 2017, 08:56:50 PM
I appreciate the wit but if you think he is the worse in 25 years you haven't been paying attention .


Who was worse? Talking first team regulars here, not Per Koldrup.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 12, 2017, 09:08:49 PM

Who was worse? Talking first team regulars here, not Per Koldrup.
Carl tiler was pretty shit tbh
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 13, 2017, 01:39:43 AM
Carl tiler was pretty shit tbh

Completely forgot about him.
Title: Re: Middlesborough vs Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 13, 2017, 03:40:13 PM

Who was worse? Talking first team regulars here, not Per Koldrup.

You defend as a unit or anyone looks shit . At the end of the season its goals against that count . I personally think Williams is a fucking yard dog and anyone who plays along side him will struggle . You think the blame lies with Mori fair enough we differ . However at times last season the much lauded John Stones looked worse to me even if he is clearly the better of the 2 .