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Title: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 03, 2013, 06:06:26 PM
May as well start a thread... live in ESPN


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Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 03, 2013, 06:21:49 PM
Didn't realise Fellaini's ratings were so high.

Basically, if we go a goal down, we should win it.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on April 03, 2013, 06:23:26 PM
think they will be too strong for us

3-1 spurs

i would like to see the same formation though and probably an unchanged team

'take a lot of shots' on evertons style made me laugh
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Gumpinio on April 03, 2013, 06:52:39 PM
I do enjoy the stats Shogun posts in these threads.

Is Pienaar back for this game?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Tinga on April 03, 2013, 06:52:49 PM
think they will be too strong for us

3-1 spurs

i would like to see the same formation though and probably an unchanged team

'take a lot of shots' on evertons style made me laugh

Ye, we never shoot.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 03, 2013, 06:58:02 PM
I do enjoy the stats Shogun posts in these threads.

Is Pienaar back for this game?

No. Second match suspension for second red of the season.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 03, 2013, 06:58:38 PM
Can't afford to lose if we still want a chance at Europe.

Would gladly take a draw.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 03, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
Defoe ruled out for Spurs.
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 03, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
Bale and adebayor up top then
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 03, 2013, 07:15:45 PM
Defoe and Adebayor are both pretty shit
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on April 03, 2013, 10:08:54 PM
Who is in if Mirallas isn't fit? Has there been any word on that since he came off holding his thigh last game?

Can't see Barkley been given the start away from home, so Naismith?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: fast lane on April 03, 2013, 11:23:43 PM
Realised this morning that the match is on Sunday, and will have to miss it.
Not pleased at all.

Getting a result is not unthinkable, but will be a tough match.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: glynn_parry on April 03, 2013, 11:33:05 PM
The Wigan system should work well as spurs but expect it to be five at the back more than attacking wing backs I think!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blueski on April 03, 2013, 11:43:44 PM
doubt we will set up with 3 at the back against spurs; made sense against stoke to negate the aerial threat but thats less of a concern against spurs where having heitinga isolated on the right against bale with space in behind would be a problem
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: glynn_parry on April 03, 2013, 11:56:16 PM
The aerial threat makes perfect sense but we have Fellini and pienaar out so for me a lack of midfield options and width bar full backs. Unless Coleman plays RM ?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on April 04, 2013, 12:06:38 AM
Its not so much 3 at the back. Its more like 5 when were defending, 3 when attacking, centre mids filling in if needed. If done right anyway
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ridge on April 04, 2013, 12:53:02 AM
Spurs have lost their last 3 matches on a sunday which followed a thursday Europa game.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Tinga on April 04, 2013, 01:25:42 AM
Spurs have lost their last 3 matches on a sunday which followed a thursday Europa game.

Oh well that settles it then.  ;)

I honestly can't see us getting anything out of this game, sadly.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Dario Terracotta on April 04, 2013, 01:27:14 AM
Lets have these on toast blues!!! ;D
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 04, 2013, 01:37:42 AM
The one good thing about Defoe being out is that apart from Youngsters and possibly Dempsey then they only have Adebayor up front. They play on Thursday, Sunday then Thursday so it'll be interesting to see what AVB does.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 04, 2013, 03:53:16 AM
AVB will field the strongest side possible against us. He wants CL.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ridge on April 04, 2013, 08:36:47 AM
AVB has played almost the same team when he has played at home in both games a few days apart.

But it really doesn't matter, games like this define our season. If we can't beat Spurs on their patch, then we can't expect to contend too much. One game doesn't make a season until late on, and the win against City should give us confidence.

A loss here wouldn't totally end hopes of top 4 finish, but neither would a win here make it so. But if we can win a few important games, we are in a very strong position.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: glynn_parry on April 04, 2013, 05:59:00 PM
If we lose at spurs and Arse/Chelsea win, we can wave goodbye CL. It would take a minor miracle to claw back the points probably requiring a win in every remaining fixture!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 05, 2013, 01:13:04 AM
We'll beat these I feel then lose at home to QPR and have all the hard work undone.


I'd take a draw though that being said, this result is meaningless unless we back it up with a strong home run in and a decent return from Arsenal and Chelsea.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Danny on April 05, 2013, 01:56:47 AM
Really we should be able to play with the 3 CB's if we get caught on the counter Distin and Jagielka are both rapid so should be able to protect us. In reality though I would be worried about playing that system against Spurs especially considering we've been doing well against them in recent years with our "normal" formation.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: New Free Transfer Signing on April 05, 2013, 02:34:03 AM
Lennon injured now, along with Defoe.... This is good news, but is a Bale injury too much to ask for?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Amata on April 05, 2013, 02:35:34 AM
Aaron Lennon just gone off injured, hopefully that keeps him out of Sundays tie as any loss of pace they have is good for us.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 05, 2013, 02:43:32 AM
Yea without being too evil, a few injuries to Bale and Dembele would be helpful.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: glynn_parry on April 05, 2013, 03:01:57 AM
Lennon out would be bigger than Defoe for me he's been class this season. I'd imagine that might mean Dempsey up front against us and Bale out wide again?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on April 05, 2013, 03:33:40 AM
I think Bale will be played centrally against us, which I'll be pleased about. They have possibly the best and quickest left winger in the world, and play him through the middle where there's less space.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 05, 2013, 03:47:17 AM
Spurs have been ducked on all game, Basel must've had 15 decent chances. We can get at these on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 05, 2013, 03:54:32 AM
He is out. Fuck me that was bad
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on April 05, 2013, 03:55:50 AM
Bale is now injured. Will the pendulum swinging in our favour on sunday?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: slothzen on April 05, 2013, 03:56:19 AM
Bale out indefinitely it looks - nasty ankle twist.  Looks like luck our way.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on April 05, 2013, 03:56:25 AM
Looking promising for Sunday.... No Lennon, no Bale, no Gallas...

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Bally on April 05, 2013, 03:58:38 AM
This is everton we're talking about here peeps don't get too excited
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 05, 2013, 03:58:39 AM
Looking promising for Sunday.... No Lennon, no Bale, no Gallas...

 :whistle:
No Defoe.

Hope that injury isn't as bad as it looks, even though it would help us.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on April 05, 2013, 03:58:59 AM
Yea without being too evil, a few injuries to Bale and Dembele would be helpful.
Witch!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 05, 2013, 03:59:14 AM
Looking promising for Sunday.... No Lennon, no Bale, no Gallas...

 :whistle:

We always fuck it up when things seem to be going our way haha
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 05, 2013, 04:03:02 AM
We're still without Fellaini and Pienaar though so it's a level playing field.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on April 05, 2013, 04:06:19 AM
We're still without Fellaini and Pienaar though so it's a level playing field.

They don't have a Mirallas or a Baines- we do.
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 05, 2013, 04:09:56 AM
Still got dembele
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 05, 2013, 04:13:34 AM
Haha

@CMcAleny: Feel for Bale there! On the plus though he's not playing the weekend and I've just paid me Glasto ticket off. Yeahh
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on April 05, 2013, 04:18:22 AM
watch us get tonked 5-0 now
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 05, 2013, 04:21:28 AM
I think we will play 3 at the back now.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on April 05, 2013, 04:25:55 AM
watch us get tonked 5-0 now

Well, both their wide threats have gone, so who knows..
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Tinga on April 05, 2013, 04:34:01 AM
 :hail: :woohoo:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on April 05, 2013, 04:57:09 AM
I can't help thinking back to the cup semi against the shite when they had to play their third choice keeper. Shame we have Pienaar and Fellaini missing, I'm still worried about our ability to create chances.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 05, 2013, 05:03:17 AM
I can't help thinking back to the cup semi against the shite when they had to play their third choice keeper. Shame we have Pienaar and Fellaini missing, I'm still worried about our ability to create chances.

Well against Stoke we had 18 shots and 6 on target without Pienaar (and Fellaini)
Against Liverpool we had 16 shots and 4 on target without Pienaar

As long as we have someone who hits the target then we should be alright :D
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blueski on April 05, 2013, 05:03:28 AM
no guarantee of a result but very lucky for us
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 05, 2013, 05:14:00 AM
Witch!

Oops!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: the doc on April 05, 2013, 05:21:05 AM
definately think Oviedo should play on Sunday after watching tonights game, their defence couldn't handle pace and trickery all game, I hope we don't go there and defend now Moyes!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: eame on April 05, 2013, 05:34:27 AM
Gives us a bit of a chance.., COYFB
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 05, 2013, 06:44:03 AM
Fantastic news. I was hoping he'd be out for the season.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 05, 2013, 10:26:54 AM
it's great that Mirallas is on form too going into this and looks like scoring in every game like Oldham, Reading, City-technically and Stoke in the last month.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: plumber on April 05, 2013, 02:36:54 PM
Thank God we don't play in that pointles Europa League. It gives a chance to play in the Europa League next season.

I think we will play 3 at the back now.

Yeah, without Bale and Lennon it looks reasonable now.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on April 05, 2013, 02:41:33 PM
Spurs will still have a really good side out

Also no Holtby either by the way. He demanded it be written in his contract that he never plays against us cos hes a massive Evertonian
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Mahoney on April 05, 2013, 02:53:35 PM
Also no Holtby either by the way. He demanded it be written in his contract that he never plays against us cos hes a massive Evertonian

You're four days too late for April fools. But I like your thinking.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 05, 2013, 02:54:30 PM
Mirallas doubtful for Sunday.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on April 05, 2013, 04:51:45 PM
good chance to win now with defoe, lennon, bale out.

takes the pace out their team that
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 05, 2013, 05:15:08 PM
Mirallas out would be grim
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on April 05, 2013, 05:19:44 PM
I fear it would be Naismith replacing Mirallas. Wouldn't mind it being Oviedo though, naturally left sided and doesn't mind doing his defensive duties

                         Howard

             Heitinga Jagielka Distin

Coleman                                   Baines
                 Gibson Osman
    Anichebe                   Oviedo
                       Jelavic

is this a real formation?that 11 anyway, possibly in different positions
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Grand Master C on April 05, 2013, 05:33:37 PM
I fear it would be Naismith replacing Mirallas. Wouldn't mind it being Oviedo though, naturally left sided and doesn't mind doing his defensive duties

                         Howard

             Heitinga Jagielka Distin

Coleman                                   Baines
                 Gibson Osman
    Anichebe                   Oviedo
                       Jelavic

is this a real formation?that 11 anyway, possibly in different positions

Is that 6 defenders ?? I miss our 4 - 6 - 0 formation  ;)

I worry we might be shoehorning players in at the expense of playing them in their best position !
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on April 05, 2013, 05:40:39 PM
Is that 6 defenders ?? I miss our 4 - 6 - 0 formation  ;)

I worry we might be shoehorning players in at the expense of playing them in their best position !

Well to be fair to Baines and Coleman they are better at attacking then about 90% of the midfielders in the league
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 05, 2013, 06:00:38 PM
I can see

Howard
Coleman jagielka distin baines
Gibson heitinga
Anichebe naismith osman
Jelavic
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: steve81 on April 05, 2013, 06:15:13 PM
howard

coleman jags distin baines

anichebe hitz osman gibson mirallas

jelavic
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on April 05, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
is Mirallas really out?  :'(
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: New Free Transfer Signing on April 05, 2013, 07:00:32 PM
Mirallas won't be out. He was fine, saw a video of him on the OS collecting a man of the match award in one of the lounges and he was walking fine. Plus he didn't even go down the tunnel to get treatment when he was subbed off.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 05, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Yeah Mirallas will play IMO, Moyes likes to say they might be out and then playing them anyway.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: glynn_parry on April 05, 2013, 08:45:26 PM
Super Kev is "touch and go" for Sunday according to moyesy  :bonk:
Title: Re: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 05, 2013, 08:50:02 PM
Super Kev is "touch and go" for Sunday according to moyesy  :bonk:
campbells back?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 05, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
if he was going to be injured then Moyes wouldn't have commented in him at all.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Grand Master C on April 05, 2013, 09:25:37 PM
Well to be fair to Baines and Coleman they are better at attacking then about 90% of the midfielders in the league

True, but I think they need to be able to overlap to see the best of them.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 05, 2013, 09:36:52 PM
He'll make it in the squad at least.

Think we will go with 4 at the back and Anichebe playing off of Jelavic up top.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 06, 2013, 01:18:33 AM
Bale, Lennon and Gallas out for 2-3 weeks.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 06, 2013, 01:39:57 AM
Bale, Lennon and Gallas out for 2-3 weeks.

Couldn't of asked for a better time to play them really could we?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 06, 2013, 02:46:13 AM
If we win this I would bet that we will catch them.

Im sure Moyes and the players realise how important this game is if we are to reach 4th spot. Could really use Fellaini and Pienaar though but I am confident our fullbacks will run them ragged and Anichebe will dominate any of those weak ass bitches they put up against him.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 06, 2013, 05:38:00 AM
                     Howard

Coleman.   Jags.   Distin.   Bainsey

Osman.   Gibson.   Heitz.   Oviedo

           Mirallas

                        Jelavic
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: dunkster on April 06, 2013, 11:24:30 PM
defoe out as well i think?? but seriously - if mirallas is out i cant see us winning.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 03:36:54 AM
So excited to watch the game tomorrow, have a feeling Coleman and Baines are going to be flying up and down the wings all game!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2013, 05:36:26 PM
So excited to watch the game tomorrow, have a feeling Coleman and Baines are going to be flying up and down the wings all game!

With the like of Bale & Lennon out, the match up of Baines against Walker and Coleman against Assou Ekotto will be the crucial pairings. Should be a good game, but the results more important than the quality today.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 06:53:31 PM
Heard a strong rumour that Hibbert's out for this one.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 07, 2013, 07:10:54 PM
Everton Team to face Spurs: Howard, Coleman, Baines, Heitinga, Distin, Jagielka, Gibson, Mirallas, Osman, Barkley, Anichebe
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Snipellis11 on April 07, 2013, 07:11:20 PM
Everton XI to face Spurs: Howard, Coleman, Baines, Heitinga, Distin, Jagielka, Gibson, Mirallas, Osman, Barkley, Anichebe
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 07:12:53 PM
Sweet Jesus no one saw that coming!  Moyes has transformed the last few weeks, maybe this not signing a contract thing has made him think fuck it?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Snipellis11 on April 07, 2013, 07:14:20 PM
We are going for this lads, 3 points full out attack. COYB!!!!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 07, 2013, 07:14:50 PM
Probably the most interesting line-up he's ever fielded. Spurs seem to be playing Vertonghen at left back to shoehorn  a 4-4-2, so expect Baines and Coleman to see plenty of the game, with Barkley floating in the hole.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 07:16:49 PM
Jesus. That's a big surprise.

Any ideas what the bench is? Is Jelavic ok?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Snipellis11 on April 07, 2013, 07:17:35 PM
Jesus. That's a big surprise.

Any ideas what the bench is? Is Jelavic ok?

Jelavic on the bench mate.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 07, 2013, 07:17:44 PM
Everton XI to face Spurs: Howard, Coleman, Baines, Heitinga, Distin, Jagielka, Gibson, Mirallas, Osman, Barkley, Anichebe

          Howard

            Heitinga Distin Jags

Coleman                    Baines

                 Gibson
     Barkley          Osman
                Mirallas
                Anichebe

I imagine this sort of formation?

No idea though
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on April 07, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Subs: Mucha, Jelavic, Oviedo, Naismith, Hitzlsperger, Stones, Duffy
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 07, 2013, 07:19:06 PM
Seems as though Moyes feels he's given Naismith enough chances.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Derek on April 07, 2013, 07:19:55 PM
I would have started Naismith either, to be honest.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Snipellis11 on April 07, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
         Howard

            Heitinga Distin Jags

Coleman                    Baines

                 Gibson
     Barkley          Osman
                Mirallas
                Anichebe



I imagine this sort of formation?

No idea though

Not sure how we will line up tbh, we could line up 3 or 4 different ways i think.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 07:24:32 PM
Surprised that jelavic isn't starting, he puts the fear of Christ into spurs, seems to relish playing against them
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on April 07, 2013, 07:26:09 PM
Neville been put out to grass ?
Surprised that jelavic isn't starting, he puts the fear of Christ into spurs, seems to relish playing against them
.......Jelavic coming on for a late winner mate
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 07:28:03 PM
Had forgotten all about Neville.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on April 07, 2013, 07:29:30 PM
Massive day for Ross Barkley. Right now would be a great time to shows us how good you are Ross!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on April 07, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
Massive day for Ross Barkley. Right now would be a great time to shows us how good you are Ross!
this
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Tinga on April 07, 2013, 07:33:49 PM
Surprised that jelavic isn't starting, he puts the fear of Christ into spurs, seems to relish playing against them

I'm not surprised Jelavic isn't starting. He's been wank.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 07:35:28 PM
Fucking hell
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 07, 2013, 07:35:47 PM
Happy Ross is getting the chance, big game for him.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 07:37:35 PM
Big chance for Ross to cement a regular spot in moyes plans, assuming moyes will be picking the team next season
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 07:39:22 PM
I'm not surprised Jelavic isn't starting. He's been wank.

He still has the tools in his bag to win the game
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Tinga on April 07, 2013, 07:41:04 PM
He still has the tools in his bag to win the game

On current form though I'd rather he came off the bench and proved what he's worth because right now he's useless and that's his overall play.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 07:43:12 PM

-----------------------Howard-------------------
---------Jagielka----Heitinga----Distin--------
-Coleman-----------------------------Baines----
-----------------Gibson---Osman----------------
----------------------Barkley-----------------------
----------Mirallas-------------Anichebe---------


Subs: Mucha, Jelavic, Oviedo, Naismith, Hitzlsperger, Stones, Duffy
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on April 07, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
No doubt Jelavic will get his chance once Mirallas hobbles off injured!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 07:44:01 PM
Jelavic off the bench is a good option.  Naismith needs a pre-season before he's totally written off but it's good Moyes has pulled him out for a bit.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Confucius on April 07, 2013, 07:44:45 PM
Biggest game if the season and Barkley given a start. No pressure mate. Top 4 reliant on you.

Spurs playing Vertonghen at left back as he has been marauding forward and scoring for fun.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 07:46:21 PM
Biggest game if the season and Barkley given a start. No pressure mate. Top 4 reliant on you.

Spurs playing Vertonghen at left back as he has been marauding forward and scoring for fun.

He's not the only player on the pitch mate.  He will be fine.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 07:46:39 PM
Fair enough, as long as we win I don't care where the goals come from, I'd settle for 1.0 og
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Tinga on April 07, 2013, 07:47:28 PM
Fair enough, as long as we win I don't care where the goals come from, I'd settle for 1.0 og

Yes please.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: EFCtillidie on April 07, 2013, 07:50:39 PM

Anyone know of any streams available for the game?  I'm hungover and don't particularly wanna go to boozer again!!

Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 07:51:38 PM
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=195954&part=sports (http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=195954&part=sports)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Azz on April 07, 2013, 07:54:09 PM
Both scared and excited about this!  Surprised he's stuck with the formation, even more so giving Barkley a start.  Don't put him on when we're battering Reading, but start against Spurs when we're fighting against them for top 4 finish.  No pressure lad, we'll see though I guess.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: EFCtillidie on April 07, 2013, 07:54:22 PM

Cheers mate
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: charlatan on April 07, 2013, 07:54:25 PM
Whats happened to all the sopcast streams?  The flash ones are shite
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 07:55:06 PM
This one from the wiziwig list seems stable http://www.stadium-live.com/Channel3.html (http://www.stadium-live.com/Channel3.html)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 07, 2013, 07:57:46 PM
COYB! Lets ave it!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 08:04:06 PM
ESPN reckon 442 with Ossie of Anichebe and heitinga in midfield. Surely not?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 08:04:17 PM
If we win today I can see spurs doing there ass in and having a shocker for the remaining games
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:06:06 PM
Fantastic start. Good one.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 07, 2013, 08:06:08 PM
Oops.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 08:06:12 PM
Really Everton?
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Bally on April 07, 2013, 08:07:06 PM
Fucking wonderful
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Derek on April 07, 2013, 08:07:07 PM
Well, that's ridiculous ain't it?


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Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:07:12 PM
We have this in our favor:

Spurs are at their most vulnerable when leading, we're at our strongest coming from behind (ooeer)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Amata on April 07, 2013, 08:07:40 PM
How easy was that? 
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on April 07, 2013, 08:07:47 PM
Well well well....

Cold be an interesting day..... :/
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: steve81 on April 07, 2013, 08:08:28 PM
Distin again
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 08:10:22 PM
What the fuck happened?  Turned on the game after a minute and a half and we're down already.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: gemine69 on April 07, 2013, 08:10:27 PM
Fuck me.  Belting start lads!!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Distin again

Not sure it was anyone's fault. Ball came in at an awkward height. One of those things this time.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 08:11:59 PM
Adebayors first goal of 2013 in the league. Everton curse strikes again.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: steve81 on April 07, 2013, 08:12:03 PM
Quiet atmosphere
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on April 07, 2013, 08:16:06 PM
I remember a game at GP against Blackburn when we conceded in 13 seconds. We lost that one
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:16:50 PM
I remember a game where we scored in 30 seconds and we lost that one.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:17:18 PM
Is that a woman linesman? Sorry lineswoman? wtf?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 08:17:29 PM
Not sure it was anyone's fault. Ball came in at an awkward height. One of those things this time.

He should really have gone with his right foot- although a bad connection could have been an own goal..
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:19:59 PM
Yes! It's in!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 08:20:04 PM
Fuck yes Jags!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on April 07, 2013, 08:20:08 PM
I stand by my word!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:20:17 PM
Took me a while to work out if it was in or not.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: steve81 on April 07, 2013, 08:20:32 PM
Yesssss
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on April 07, 2013, 08:20:38 PM
Geeetttt innn
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on April 07, 2013, 08:20:41 PM
My God. We scored off a corner
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 08:20:57 PM
Get the fuck in, might have been a foul though on vertonghen
Title: Re: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Bally on April 07, 2013, 08:21:16 PM
My God. We scored off a corner
ha ha ha
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: gemine69 on April 07, 2013, 08:22:35 PM
Big Phil!!!!  Get in son!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 08:23:39 PM
Anichebe doing well
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on April 07, 2013, 08:23:55 PM
Took me a while to work out if it was in or not.
Taken out of context............
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Derek on April 07, 2013, 08:24:17 PM
Been the better team since the 1st minute goal.


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Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Confucius on April 07, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
Is that a woman linesman? Sorry lineswoman? wtf?

Sexist much? She is Sian Massey. Very good at her job too
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 07, 2013, 08:27:10 PM
Anichebe is bossing their centre backs.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:27:11 PM
Taken out of context............

Did you think I was talking about the game then? ;)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
Surprised Walker didn't get a yellow for the deliberate handball there.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2013, 08:28:00 PM
How did Walker get away without being booked??
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on April 07, 2013, 08:28:07 PM
Sian Massey? Would You?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Amata on April 07, 2013, 08:28:22 PM
Anichebe doing well

Everything is sticking with him, excellent hold up play.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Derek on April 07, 2013, 08:28:39 PM
Surprised Walker didn't get a yellow for the deliberate handball there.

Nevermind the childish reaction.


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Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2013, 08:28:42 PM
Sexist much? She is Sian Massey. Very good at her job too

True dat
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:29:20 PM
Sexist much? She is Sian Massey. Very good at her job too

No, just never seen a female linesperson before (See the PC save there?)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2013, 08:29:51 PM
Sian Massey? Would You?

I'd be to worried when shed stick her flag up :o
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: gemine69 on April 07, 2013, 08:30:15 PM
To be fair, we are playing quite well here.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on April 07, 2013, 08:30:42 PM
Did you think I was talking about the game then? ;)
Of course not ;)

Sian Massey? Have you?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:30:47 PM
They're having a lot of shots.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 08:30:56 PM
How did Walker get away without being booked??

Because you allowed to handball when it's 2 metres or so out of play.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:32:38 PM
Of course not ;)

Sian Massey? Have you?

Like I said...
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2013, 08:32:51 PM
Because you allowed to handball when it's 2 metres or so out of play.

Spec savers are doing a two for one
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on April 07, 2013, 08:33:42 PM
Vic has the first touch of Emile Heskey
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:34:32 PM
Well played Coleman there.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:35:03 PM
From the livefeed on the Beeb:

Pasa Mustafa: "Goalkeepers really should learn how to close their legs! That's two today from Tim and Hugo."
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2013, 08:37:55 PM
Good call from the linesman there, thankfully
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:44:26 PM
Looks like Vic's injured again.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: .Matty on April 07, 2013, 08:45:51 PM
Spurs alot stronger in the tackle than us today. They seem able to walk around us at times.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 08:47:09 PM
That's a worry, how's Barkley playing?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 08:49:01 PM
The Osman/Anichebe combination is looking less useful as the half has gone on. Would like to see Oviedo on for Heitinga and Osman deeper with either Barkley or Mirallas behind Anichebe.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:49:24 PM
It's a typical home performance by Spurs, and away performance by us. You'd expect them to have all the running. This is a poor score for them, good for us at present, so the onus is on them to attack.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on April 07, 2013, 08:50:00 PM
Barkley keeps getting caught in possession
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Derek on April 07, 2013, 08:50:15 PM
We need half time and a chance to reorganise. Spurs are heavier in the tackle, and are playing in between our lines too easily.

This Tottenham team shouldn't be able to physically boss any Everton side, big or small.


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Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on April 07, 2013, 08:52:19 PM
Barkley hasn't been very good whenever he has time to think.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Amata on April 07, 2013, 08:52:22 PM
Ross is struggling a bit but he will only learn and get better by playing matches like this
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 08:53:01 PM
Pretty boring half, but I'd take this scoreline at present.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: steve81 on April 07, 2013, 08:54:09 PM
Heitinga is non existent hitz on second half please
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 08:54:46 PM
Spurs alot stronger in the tackle than us today. They seem able to walk around us at times.

I think Gibson is playing well- just heitinga is so slow that he can't really put on much pressure as they shift it round him.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 08:56:16 PM
I hope moyes can give us the edge with a good half time team talk and get them fired up for the 2nd half
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 07, 2013, 08:56:19 PM
Strangely flat game. It's a cliché, but it's as though Spurs scored too soon. Osman has let us down on two or three occasions where a better ball would really have opened things up.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on April 07, 2013, 08:56:56 PM
Anyone watching the game on a 'Flash' stream... what browser are you using as these keep freezing my Firefox ? Cheers.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 07, 2013, 08:57:03 PM
Our decision making at times is shocking.

We have been in some great situations there and picked the wrong pass.

Ross and Kevin look way off the pace.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 09:00:35 PM
Strangely flat game. It's a cliché, but it's as though Spurs scored too soon. Osman has let us down on two or three occasions where a better ball would really have opened things up.

Yea Osman has made the wrong decision or not executed on a couple of occassions. His weak pass to Coleman that sent them on the break and playing the ball to Baines when playing Mirallas in on the right would have been better.
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Bally on April 07, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
Baines has been off today Osman decision making woeful Barkley getting caught all the time Mirallas not been in it hopefully things improve vastly second half.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 09:01:01 PM
We need to either play 3-5-2 or not, this halfway house nothing formation isn't great.  Heitinga has been ok, actually think Gibson has been worse but it's pointless him being there. 
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:02:00 PM
Ross is struggling a bit but he will only learn and get better by playing matches like this

I think he is doing alright on defense, but as someone mentioned he keeps getting caught in possession and holding it longer than he should.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: evertonjoe on April 07, 2013, 09:02:29 PM
There's just so much bloody space in and around our box for Spurs, that needs to be cut out right now.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 09:03:11 PM
Our decision making at times is shocking.

We have been in some great situations there and picked the wrong pass.

Ross and Kevin look way off the pace.

Yes Osman keeps playing it back to Baines and ignoring the runs of Mirallas and Anichebe, Need someone behind the striker who is willing to try the more difficult ball.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 07, 2013, 09:04:14 PM
I think he is doing alright on defense, but as someone mentioned he keeps getting caught in possession and holding it longer than he should.

He is trying too hard to beat a man rather than playing the simple pass. Hopefully he will be given 15 mins in the second half and if it still isn't working take him off for jelly
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: gemine69 on April 07, 2013, 09:05:53 PM
Genuinely forgot Heitinga is playing.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:10:58 PM
Anyone fancy our chances if we move to 3-5-2?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Amata on April 07, 2013, 09:12:11 PM
This is poor, too many misplaced passes
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on April 07, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
Christ, Barkley is fucking horriffic
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:13:32 PM
He is trying too hard to beat a man rather than playing the simple pass. Hopefully he will be given 15 mins in the second half and if it still isn't working take him off for jelly

I could get on board with that. Move into a 3-5-2 and put more pressure on Tottenham when in possession.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:13:59 PM
Gosh Barkley can't figure out how hard to hit a pass
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
Super Kev!!! Get In!!!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Amata on April 07, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
What a fuc*ing goal
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 09:15:53 PM
Oh what a subline goal!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on April 07, 2013, 09:16:10 PM
Mirallas!!!
He's like a new signing!!!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:16:29 PM
Anichebe with the assist. God I love him.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on April 07, 2013, 09:16:45 PM
Fucking genius
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Bally on April 07, 2013, 09:17:01 PM
Fuxking brilliant
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:17:43 PM
Whew... close one there
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: steve81 on April 07, 2013, 09:18:33 PM
Mirallasssssss
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:18:56 PM
Christ, Barkley is fucking horriffic
Whether he isn't ready or this is too much pressure for a first start, I think most of us will forgive Moyes for not plaing in more of our earlier matches.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Robioto on April 07, 2013, 09:19:09 PM
YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: gemine69 on April 07, 2013, 09:19:26 PM
Oh my word.  What a finish!!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2013, 09:20:05 PM
Thank dog Howard got down to that
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:20:05 PM
Howard with a great save btw on that deflected shot
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on April 07, 2013, 09:22:31 PM
great goal, great save. but they are now putting on some pressure!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
I can't make out our formation. Looks quite fluid between 352 and 4411
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on April 07, 2013, 09:26:41 PM
30 mins under the cosh, doubt we can hold this ...
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:28:11 PM
L'pool 0 - WHU 0 FT
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Rob Burns on April 07, 2013, 09:30:38 PM
L'pool 0 - WHU 0 FT

That just won me $300.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:32:01 PM
Anyone got a decent stream?

just in from work.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:32:17 PM
Looks like Adebayor's goal has given him confidence which is good for us. He will now be his old self and always look to shoot even when other players are wide open. All part of Moysey's plan
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:32:48 PM
That just won me $300.
Congrats mate. Good bet
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: keverton1971 on April 07, 2013, 09:33:03 PM
Anyone got a decent stream?

just in from work.

http://www.stadium-live.com/Channel3.html (http://www.stadium-live.com/Channel3.html)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:33:35 PM
Why did Anichebe not pass to Jela? Wide open...
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on April 07, 2013, 09:33:57 PM
http://www.time4tv.com/2011/09/espn.html (http://www.time4tv.com/2011/09/espn.html)

Try that one Verm, stream 3 is the best pick
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:35:11 PM
20 minutes seems so long when you have the lead and so short when you're down
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:35:31 PM
http://www.stadium-live.com/Channel3.html (http://www.stadium-live.com/Channel3.html)

Cheers :)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:35:54 PM
Hate it when we sit on a lead
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:37:26 PM
I see Huddlestone is yet to cut his hair still
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:43:31 PM
I've been impressed by the lineswoman today. Really isn't afraid to make a close call against the home team.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
I've been impressed by the lineswoman today. Really isn't afraid to make a close call against the home team.

She's on a promise from Distin to favor us ;)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 09:45:48 PM
They would have been a beauty from Vic had it stayed down.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on April 07, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
seen the best and worst of mirallas today. great goal, but goes a bit missing and that was a silly foul!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on April 07, 2013, 09:46:11 PM
She's on a promise from Distin to favor us ;)

Dirty bitch......love it
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:46:30 PM
Waste
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:47:16 PM
Huge 6 minutes
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:47:33 PM
Naismith coming on for Mirallas
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:47:47 PM
This commentator is mad. Says he doesn't believe there is such a thing as simulation
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Evertonexile on April 07, 2013, 09:48:01 PM
Fucking commentators. It's a dive, he didn't just "lose his balance"... and decide to scream for a foul.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 09:48:15 PM
Wow Chelsea losing now.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: keverton1971 on April 07, 2013, 09:48:39 PM
oh dear! naismith!
@nonailsleft
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:49:19 PM
Another waste!

Have to make this breaks count
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:49:54 PM
FUCK OFF
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:49:55 PM
Fuck off
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ridge on April 07, 2013, 09:49:58 PM
Fuck sake.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 09:50:01 PM
Crap.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on April 07, 2013, 09:50:14 PM
oh baines
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: steve81 on April 07, 2013, 09:50:32 PM
Shit defending
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: coloradoblue on April 07, 2013, 09:50:52 PM
That was def coming....Just got to hang on now
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 09:51:17 PM
Jeez. Coleman looks a far better defender than Baines the last couple months. Had a feeling Anichebe's selfishness in not playing in a wide open Jelavic would come back to haunt us.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 07, 2013, 09:51:20 PM
Our crossing is awful
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 09:52:08 PM
Fucking same old same old
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
Unfortunately we wasted plenty of good build-up play to make it 3-1
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 09:52:27 PM
Vic, how did you miss :(
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:52:42 PM
Vic should have done better there
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ridge on April 07, 2013, 09:52:52 PM
So unlucky Victor there, great save.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:53:31 PM
So unlucky Victor there, great save.

Straight at him
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Aussievertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:54:13 PM
That's what happens when you try to sit back and defend for 45 mins.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 09:54:30 PM
How much injury time?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on April 07, 2013, 09:54:37 PM
We can never hold the ball for long and take up time... always rush it and give it away and it comes back against us.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 07, 2013, 09:54:41 PM
Straight at him

Not quite, but nice try.

It was a very good save. Gave Vic very little to shoot at.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 09:54:46 PM
20 minutes of added time, or until Spurs score the winner.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Amata on April 07, 2013, 09:54:53 PM
Thats what happens when you sit back and invite pressure time after time.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:55:12 PM
Fucking greedy Jelavic
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:55:29 PM
Our forwards have no interest in sharing
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on April 07, 2013, 09:55:48 PM
We have to be worst team In the league for sitting back
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:55:55 PM
How much injury time?
4'
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ridge on April 07, 2013, 09:57:00 PM
Straight at him

Tried to chip across the keeper, but he raised his leg to block. Little higher or lower and it was in the corner, Lloris did well to get out and cover most the goal.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:57:29 PM
Last chance saloon
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: blargins on April 07, 2013, 09:58:21 PM
Spurs will be the unhappier, but what a shame.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 09:58:23 PM
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on April 07, 2013, 09:58:37 PM
Fuck we have chucked some silly points away this season
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on April 07, 2013, 09:58:48 PM
would have taken a draw before the game, and bar one superb pass and one defensive mistake we'd have taken the points.

vic needs to be less greedy!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on April 07, 2013, 09:59:07 PM
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.

You only saw the last 7 minutes
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 09:59:07 PM
Overall probably a fair result even though we drop more points.

We take 4/6 pts from Spurs and they take 1/6 from us
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ridge on April 07, 2013, 09:59:18 PM
Gutted, we should have won that.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 07, 2013, 09:59:30 PM
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.
What?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 09:59:36 PM
It's a good result despite the circumstances.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 07, 2013, 09:59:46 PM
Sickening goal to concede that.
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Bally on April 07, 2013, 09:59:50 PM
Baines had a fucking nightmare today
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: UnsyisaRhino on April 07, 2013, 09:59:56 PM
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.

he brought on another striker and we took the lead.

how exactly did that cost us?

poor defending and even more poor decision making on the break cost us.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
What?

It was all Spurs.

Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 10:00:35 PM
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.

That's total balls mate.  We were goosed and poor individual performances cost us. 
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on April 07, 2013, 10:01:02 PM
Disappointed with the draw but its 7 from the last 3 games that some moaners said we wouldn't get even 1 from
Title: He's defo on the spetrum
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:01:06 PM
What?

Don't listen to him. Always after attention on here.

Moyes did well I thought. Team did well but we were just a bit unfortunate.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 07, 2013, 10:01:20 PM
Glad we have Fellaini and Pienaar back for the remaining 7 fixtures. Hope we can keep getting points and try catch the top 4
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: coloradoblue on April 07, 2013, 10:01:25 PM
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.

Oh FUCK OFF you cock ! That was a good game and we played well in parts. Spurs are no push over so just fucking do one you idiotic prick !
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:01:35 PM
You only saw the last 7 minutes

15

Enough to see us throw men behind the ball and give away a cheap goal which lost us 2 points.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:01:38 PM
Baines was mugged by Walker time after time.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 07, 2013, 10:02:37 PM
We needed to win that but as usual Moyes' negative tactics cost us.

haha well in lad, propet made me laugh this
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 10:03:01 PM
Can't believe spurs had most of the play at home losing by one goal with 20 minutes to go. How dare they? boooooooooooooooo Moyes boooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 10:03:47 PM
That's total balls mate.  We were goosed and poor individual performances cost us. 

Felli and Pienaar would've helped tremendously, but we did well playing away at the 3rd place team.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:04:28 PM
Oh FUCK OFF you cock ! That was a good game and we played well in parts. Spurs are no push over so just fucking do one you idiotic prick !

Fucking hell, calm down.

Reported
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:04:59 PM
Staveros tweet sums it up:

The way we went deep you'd think we were playing Barcelona, not Spurs minus some of their best players
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:05:38 PM
We give away too many cheap goals to be sitting on leads.

We should have been all over them with their 3 best players missing.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 07, 2013, 10:06:21 PM
Haha only seen 15 mins of the game  yet still offers an opinion on the managers tactics

only verm

Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Thom on April 07, 2013, 10:07:03 PM
Gutting to see us concede in the final five minutes. It would have given us a real chance of getting a top four spot but we can still fight for fifth at the very least.

Jagielka was superb today, and despite starting slowly Anichebe really came into the match and should have won it for us at the end.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 10:07:08 PM
Glad we have Fellaini and Pienaar back for the remaining 7 fixtures. Hope we can keep getting points and try catch the top 4

This. The bright side about these remaining fixtures is that we control our destiny. We don't have to rely on others to take all the points from our competition. We get the chance to do the damage ourselves
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:07:43 PM
Haha only seen 15 mins of the game  yet still offers an opinion on the managers tactics

only verm



It's the 15 minutes that cost us the win so it's a pretty damn important 15 minutes.

The way we defend leads was quite easy to see, even from just that amount of time.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: charlatan on April 07, 2013, 10:07:54 PM
We give away too many cheap goals to be sitting on leads.

We should have been all over them with their 3 best players missing.

This. We never learn.  Osman is a 70 minute player at best, yet is left on week after week with the last 20-30 minutes bypassing him
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:09:00 PM
Staveros tweet sums it up:

The way we went deep you'd think we were playing Barcelona, not Spurs minus some of their best players

And quoting him about sums up your knowledge of the game.

Spurs at home, down by 1 are always going to have more of the ball no matter who they play. In fact, Walker's run was because we had committed men forward, he had space to run into, Baines made a very poor defensive play and they got their chance.

The only mistake I can see from Moyes was not finding a way to help Baines deal with Walker who ripped him apart all game.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Brownie20 on April 07, 2013, 10:09:46 PM
Its still on - Spurs have two very difficult games coming up - Felli and pienar back next game. Would have taken a point before the game and after the first minute. 21 points still avaliable - Arsenal a week weds is the big one
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on April 07, 2013, 10:09:52 PM
We give away too many cheap goals to be sitting on leads.

We should have been all over them with their 3 best players missing.


We had two of our best players missing.

We played well, contained them for the majority of the match. The way you are going on mate you'd think we just lost to Stoke or something. I'd of took a point before the game and i think it is still a good result.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:10:41 PM
aaaaarrggggggghhh
How can people not see how moyes' tactics cost us - he's useless tactical wise in the last 10mins - we've lost far too many points from winning positions in the last 10 mins normally directly after a negative sub -  its gotta be at least 3 games weve lost winning positions after hes brought a defender on for a striker in last 5 and todays not the first time the naismith for mirallas substitution has cost us - yes naismith wasnt directly involved in equaliser but its the negativity the tactics/subs send to the other player - i text my mate with 15 to go and said nasmith for mirallas any min and we'll draw or lose - it pains me to say it but it was fuckin obvious it was going to happen
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: pjk on April 07, 2013, 10:10:57 PM
Baines had a fucking nightmare today





Well noticeable that was. A great Mirallas goal. A decent performance. Howard doesn't seem to need much prompting about keeping the "Gloves" ;) No Pienaar. No Fellaini.  Slim slim chances for 4Th.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:11:51 PM

We had two of our best players missing.

We played well, contained them for the majority of the match. The way you are going on mate you'd think we just lost to Stoke or something. I'd of took a point before the game and i think it is still a good result.

Firmly believe we have more in our team though regardless.

They've been a 1 man team all season.

It's not the worst point but it's definitely 2 lost.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 07, 2013, 10:13:06 PM
With our backs to the wall I could swear we still created 3 chances to win in the last 5 mins.

Perhaps I'm wrong - I'd better check with Stav.
Title: Knee Jerks
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:13:17 PM
aaaaarrggggggghhh
How can people not see how moyes' tactics cost us - he's useless tactical wise in the last 10mins - we've lost far too many points from winning positions in the last 10 mins normally directly after a negative sub -  its gotta be at least 3 games weve lost winning positions after hes brought a defender on for a striker in last 5 and todays not the first time the naismith for mirallas substitution has cost us - yes naismith wasnt directly involved in equaliser but its the negativity the tactics/subs send to the other player - i text my mate with 15 to go and said nasmith for mirallas any min and we'll draw or lose - it pains me to say it but it was fuckin obvious it was going to happen

So why was Naismith to blame for the goal?

Very simplistic view but I guess the majority of the clueless knee jerkers on here need someone to blame.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on April 07, 2013, 10:13:22 PM

We had two of our best players missing.

Moyes out
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:13:52 PM
It's the 15 minutes that cost us the win so it's a pretty damn important 15 minutes.

The way we defend leads was quite easy to see, even from just that amount of time.

Well actually the first 15 minutes was important as well. So was the 5 minute period in which Mirallas scored.

So was the first minute. So was the first half.

Keep saying that we were negative and Moyes is negative when we played 2 up top the entire second half, even with the lead and often committed men forward when it was safer to not do so.
Title: Fucking idiot
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:14:22 PM
Firmly believe we have more in our team though regardless.

They've been a 1 man team all season.

It's not the worst point but it's definitely 2 lost.

Glad you're up to speed with how the points system works. Nice one!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:14:40 PM
Can't believe spurs had most of the play at home losing by one goal with 20 minutes to go. How dare they? boooooooooooooooo Moyes boooooooooooooo
they did indeed which is why we shouldnt sit deep and invite the inevitable - mirallas shouldve stayed on to give us a threat on the break or even have been replaced with oviedo so we had pace - as soon as naismith came on it was sit back and soak it up time - something weve continously failed to do all season
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 07, 2013, 10:15:03 PM
It's the 15 minutes that cost us the win so it's a pretty damn important 15 minutes.

The way we defend leads was quite easy to see, even from just that amount of time.

His positive change got us the goal

Wind ya neck in lad
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Geordie Blue on April 07, 2013, 10:15:06 PM
Anichebe MOM easily - great work rate and powerhouse performance. So frustrating that we give such soft and avoidable goals away after working so hard.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 10:15:38 PM
Its still on - Spurs have two very difficult games coming up - Felli and pienar back next game. Would have taken a point before the game and after the first minute. 21 points still avaliable - Arsenal a week weds is the big one


Just have to make sure we don't drop points at home to QPR next week. Important game to keep the faith of Europe alive.

A win today though could've done a lot for the squads confidence though.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 10:15:43 PM
We didn't go deep we were pushed back by a team looking for an equaliser.  We played deeper first half! 

If Anichebe or Jelavic take their chances this is all moot it was unfortunate and it feels like points lost but it was a decent performance that could have gone either way.  Tactically Moyes got it wrong first half for me and right second.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:15:44 PM
Glad you're up to speed with how the points system works. Nice one!

You sure do say a lot with out actually saying anything
Title: Turd
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:16:52 PM
You sure do say a lot with out actually saying anything

Yea ok pal, not sure what that means but nice one.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:17:52 PM
Yea ok pal, not sure what that means but nice one.

Yeah, didn't think you would, not the quickest...
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 10:18:09 PM
And quoting him about sums up your knowledge of the game.

Spurs at home, down by 1 are always going to have more of the ball no matter who they play. In fact, Walker's run was because we had committed men forward, he had space to run into, Baines made a very poor defensive play and they got their chance.

The only mistake I can see from Moyes was not finding a way to help Baines deal with Walker who ripped him apart all game.

Like Oviedo on for Osman.

Don't see how anyone can argue Heitinga in midfield is not negative. Not saying that that is what cost us as he defended a lot better in the second half i think. However seems pretty reasonable to assume we'd have had more possession and not have had to go so long all the time if Hitz had been in there or Osman deeper and someone else alongside or behind Anichebe.





Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 10:18:16 PM
Can we not to turn this thread into a nob off. 
Title: ooohhh burn
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:18:20 PM
Yeah, didn't think you would, not the quickest...

What's your job again?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:18:26 PM
Have to beat Arsenal now
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:18:36 PM
So why was Naismith to blame for the goal?

Very simplistic view but I guess the majority of the clueless knee jerkers on here need someone to blame.
read my post - i didnt say naismith was to blame no i never
how the fuck am i a clueless kneejerker? Did we or did we not make a negative/defensive substitution and did we or did we not sit too deep and concede an equaliser? 1 game fair enough but this has happened on numerous occasions this season - we cant drop deep and defend a lead in last 10
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: New Free Transfer Signing on April 07, 2013, 10:18:38 PM
Lot of hate for BNP on here recently....
Title: He craves it
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:19:56 PM
Lot of hate for BNP on here recently....

ah it's only Verminator trying to act the big balls. He's all about the attention.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 10:19:57 PM
read my post - i didnt say naismith was to blame no i never
how the fuck am i a clueless kneejerker? Did we or did we not make a negative/defensive substitution and did we or did we not sit too deep and concede an equaliser? 1 game fair enough but this has happened on numerous occasions this season - we cant drop deep and defend a lead in last 10

No we brought on a midfielder for a tired midfielder.  We were pushed back, we didn't intentionally sit deep.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:20:36 PM
Like Oviedo on for Osman.

Don't see how anyone can argue Heitinga in midfield is not negative. Not saying that that is what cost us as he defended a lot better in the second half i think. However seems pretty reasonable to assume we'd have had more possession and not have had to go so long all the time if Hitz had been in there or Osman deeper and someone else alongside or behind Anichebe.







Hitz gets overrun so easily in midfield when our opponents have possession. I think he would have been a poor choice to bring on.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:20:52 PM
ah it's only Verminator trying to act the big balls. He's all about the attention.

lolol

Every post you've ever made on this forum has been some kid of shit joke or sarcastic comment.

I haven't seen you offer up a single serious point about anything over your entire time here.

Yet I'm the attention seeker?

(Thanks for that, cheered me right up)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:21:41 PM
read my post - i didnt say naismith was to blame no i never
how the fuck am i a clueless kneejerker? Did we or did we not make a negative/defensive substitution and did we or did we not sit too deep and concede an equaliser? 1 game fair enough but this has happened on numerous occasions this season - we cant drop deep and defend a lead in last 10

Nearly every team in the league drops deep and defends a lead in the last 10 minutes away from home. We look to catch them on the break.

And we nearly did with Anichebe and Jelavic both getting chances.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:23:23 PM
Nearly every team in the league drops deep and defends a lead in the last 10 minutes away from home. We look to catch them on the break.

And we nearly did with Anichebe and Jelavic both getting chances.
and with 10 to go we took off our most effective counter attacking player i.e mirallas
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Trowel on April 07, 2013, 10:24:32 PM
Nearly every team in the league drops deep and defends a lead in the last 10 minutes away from home. We look to catch them on the break.

And we nearly did with Anichebe and Jelavic both getting chances.
This. I don't know what people expected - push everyone up to chase a 3rd against the best counter-attacking side in the land?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:25:47 PM
The standards of some are far too low.

We shouldn't be happy with a point against a team like Spurs anymore, they sure as hell aren't.

This acceptance of mediocrity really needs to stop, every game we draw with teams around us with whom we are competing for top 4/5 places should be looked at as points dropped and nothing more.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:25:51 PM
and with 10 to go we took off our most effective counter attacking player i.e mirallas

He had just got himself booked and hasn't completed 90 minutes since coming back from injury. I don't think Moyes wants to risk him pulling a muscle, especially as he was a doubt for this game.

I would say that our counter-attacking was still quite good given the chances we created in the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 10:26:10 PM
and with 10 to go we took off our most effective counter attacking player i.e mirallas

The lad was fucked, he doesn't look a 90 minute player yet.  The only argument is whether Oviedo should have come on but as decent cover as he is, he is also rash imo.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: brap2 on April 07, 2013, 10:26:51 PM
 would have taken that at the start, but it tastes a little bitter now.

i think mirallas was only just passed fit wasn't he? would have been a gamble leaving him on, maybe the thinking was take him off, maybe we end up drawing, but if he's no good for the next 3 games cause he's injured then that would be even worse for us.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
This. I don't know what people expected - push everyone up to chase a 3rd against the best counter-attacking side in the land?

Yeah Lennon, Bale and Defoe have been doing this to teams all season. Oh wait...
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 10:28:34 PM
Yeah Lennon, Bale and Defoe have been doing this to teams all season. Oh wait...

Ahem are we going to ignore we had two of our best players out then?  Neither team was full strength and it showed in two patchy performances.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:28:52 PM
This. I don't know what people expected - push everyone up to chase a 3rd against the best counter-attacking side in the land?

The 3 players that made them so good were injured for christ sake
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:29:22 PM
The standards of some are far too low.

We shouldn't be happy with a point against a team like Spurs anymore, they sure as hell aren't.

This acceptance of mediocrity really needs to stop, every game we draw with teams around us with whom we are competing for top 4/5 places should be looked at as points dropped and nothing more.

Yes, as soon as we stop accepting "mediocrity" we will definitely make the Champions League. That's what's holding us back, not a lack of transfer funds and small squad.

When the have Defoe, Bale, and Lennon out, they can call on Sigurdsson, Dempsey and Adebayor. Which is about 30 millions pounds worth of transfer fees and very high wages. With Fellaini and Pienaar out we call upon Ross Barkley and John Heitinga.

Oh and people aren't happy with a point, but a draw away to Spurs at just about any other time of the year would be considered a good result.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Snipellis11 on April 07, 2013, 10:31:10 PM
Yeah they were missing bale, defoe and lennon but we were missing felliani and piennar two of our best plays.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:31:47 PM
Also waiting for the obligatory, "doesn't NSNO mean anything anymore?" post.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:32:05 PM
Yes, as soon as we stop accepting "mediocrity" we will definitely make the Champions League. That's what's holding us back, not a lack of transfer funds and small squad.

When the have Defoe, Bale, and Lennon out, they can call on Sigurdsson, Dempsey and Adebayor. Which is about 30 millions pounds worth of transfer fees and very high wages. With Fellaini and Pienaar out we call upon Ross Barkley and John Heitinga.

Oh and people aren't happy with a point, but a draw away to Spurs at just about any other time of the year would be considered a good result.

We have a squad good enough to be mixing it up with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal regardless.

I wish people would stop using the ridiculous excuse of lack of transfer funds. Moyes' biggest strength has been buying players at far under their value, we have more quality than a lot of sides who spend much more.
Title: White Heart Lane
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:32:19 PM
Yes, as soon as we stop accepting "mediocrity" we will definitely make the Champions League. That's what's holding us back, not a lack of transfer funds and small squad.

When the have Defoe, Bale, and Lennon out, they can call on Sigurdsson, Dempsey and Adebayor. Which is about 30 millions pounds worth of transfer fees and very high wages. With Fellaini and Pienaar out we call upon Ross Barkley and John Heitinga.

Oh and people aren't happy with a point, but a draw away to Spurs at just about any other time of the year would be considered a good result.

Exactly, the knee jerks don't see both sides, it's always about negativity. We had two of our best players out too and we don't have the depth spurs do so player for player I would say we were out matched so to come back from home with a point isn't amazing but I think it's acceptable and certainly isn't Moyes' fault.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:33:42 PM
The standards of some are far too low.

We shouldn't be happy with a point against a team like Spurs anymore, they sure as hell aren't.

This acceptance of mediocrity really needs to stop, every game we draw with teams around us with whom we are competing for top 4/5 places should be looked at as points dropped and nothing more.
Thank you - its really gets me down with the small time mentality of our fans sometimes
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: kenz on April 07, 2013, 10:34:14 PM
The standards of some are far too low.

We shouldn't be happy with a point against a team like Spurs anymore, they sure as hell aren't.

This acceptance of mediocrity really needs to stop, every game we draw with teams around us with whom we are competing for top 4/5 places should be looked at as points dropped and nothing more.

I disagree.  

What have Tottenham spent over the last few years in comparison to us.  Like it or not, investment ultimately = results.  Everton are massively overachieving, much to the credit of Moyes.  Whilst no team should ever be happy conceding in the last 10, with a little balance and perspective,  any reasonable person should come to appreciate the fact that we are even competing with clubs who invest substantially more than us.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 07, 2013, 10:35:14 PM
Thank you - its really gets me down with the small time mentality of our fans sometimes

I can get on board with that.

On another note Zamora just got a straight red and will be out against us next week.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:35:18 PM
We have a squad good enough to be mixing it up with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal regardless.

I wish people would stop using the ridiculous excuse of lack of transfer funds. Moyes' biggest strength has been buying players at far under their value, we have more quality than a lot of sides who spend much more.

Yes the ridiculous excuse of a lack of transfer funds which over pretty much the entire history of football has a direct correlation to where a team finishes.

Our first 11 can compete with just about any team, but our squad depth is absolutely appalling.

Like I said, they lose 3 top players and can bring in 3 more top players. We lose 2 top players and we bring in a kid with potential and decent player in Heitinga.

That clearly has an effect, and any inability to see that is blindness.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:35:44 PM
Stop looking at how much each team has spent, it's fucking irrelevant

Should QPR be above us?

Is Leighton Baines still a 5m player?
Is Jagielka worth 4m?
Is Mirallas worth 6m?

I could go on...

Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
He had just got himself booked and hasn't completed 90 minutes since coming back from injury. I don't think Moyes wants to risk him pulling a muscle, especially as he was a doubt for this game.

I would say that our counter-attacking was still quite good given the chances we created in the last 10 minutes.

why not bring oviedo on then or somebody with pace - naismith was not brought on for counter attacking he was brought on for defensive reason = negative tactics.

Spurs were there to be had on the break
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
Thank you - its really gets me down with the small time mentality of our fans sometimes

lol small time mentality, yes because we can see that a point away from home to Spurs isn't a disaster we are small time.
Title: Here we go...
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:36:27 PM
Stop looking at how much each team has spent, it's fucking irrelevant

Should QPR be above us?

If it's irrelevant then what is your issue with Kenwright?

Oh and is it just good fortune City won the league last season?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 10:36:37 PM
Thank you - its really gets me down with the small time mentality of our fans sometimes

It's not small time to be realistic.  It's not small time to see the positives and negatives in a particular game and it's not small time to see a bigger picture.  If you want to highlight reasons we haven't made top four this season it isn't games like today.  It's the games against the lower teams we have consistently failed to beat or get 3 points from and it's the failure to strengthen in January which meant our options on the bench are shite 
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on April 07, 2013, 10:37:33 PM
Yes the ridiculous excuse of a lack of transfer funds which over pretty much the entire history of football has a direct correlation to where a team finishes.

Our first 11 can compete with just about any team, but our squad depth is absolutely appalling.

Like I said, they lose 3 top players and can bring in 3 more top players. We lose 2 top players and we bring in a kid with potential and decent player in Heitinga.

That clearly has an effect, and any inability to see that is blindness.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:37:51 PM
If it's irrelevant then what is your issue with Kenwright?

It's irrelevant because good deals have made it that way.

More money would push us even further, sure, but that doesn't mean we still aren't capable of top 4/5 without it.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:38:15 PM
Yes, as soon as we stop accepting "mediocrity" we will definitely make the Champions League. That's what's holding us back, not a lack of transfer funds and small squad.

When the have Defoe, Bale, and Lennon out, they can call on Sigurdsson, Dempsey and Adebayor. Which is about 30 millions pounds worth of transfer fees and very high wages. With Fellaini and Pienaar out we call upon Ross Barkley and John Heitinga.

Oh and people aren't happy with a point, but a draw away to Spurs at just about any other time of the year would be considered a good result.
thats an arguement for another day - based on what was out there today we showed we had enough to beat them - u cant blame the transfer budget for the last 5/10mins today
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on April 07, 2013, 10:38:46 PM
and with 10 to go we took off our most effective counter attacking player i.e mirallas
ooh   the guy having problems with his fitness .... or was that another player
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:39:08 PM
Yes the ridiculous excuse of a lack of transfer funds which over pretty much the entire history of football has a direct correlation to where a team finishes.

Our first 11 can compete with just about any team, but our squad depth is absolutely appalling.

Like I said, they lose 3 top players and can bring in 3 more top players. We lose 2 top players and we bring in a kid with potential and decent player in Heitinga.

That clearly has an effect, and any inability to see that is blindness.

The team we put out today was good enough to win that game.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:39:39 PM
Also waiting for the obligatory, "doesn't NSNO mean anything anymore?" post.
Well i didnt want to say it but as youve brought it up im guessing it doesnt going off your posts
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 10:39:48 PM
thats an arguement for another day - based on what was out there today we showed we had enough to beat them - u cant blame the transfer budget for the last 5/10mins today

No you can blame two depleted teams ultimately cancelling each other out.
Title: Re: White Heart Lane
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 10:40:02 PM
Exactly, the knee jerks don't see both sides, it's always about negativity. We had two of our best players out too and we don't have the depth spurs do so player for player I would say we were out matched so to come back from home with a point isn't amazing but I think it's acceptable and certainly isn't Moyes' fault.

You really think so? I'd take our back 4 over theirs and Anichebe is probably in better form than Adebayor at the moment. Mirallas is arguably also the best midfielder out of the lot who were on the park and according to some, Osman is one of our players of the season. So not sure how you see us as being outmatched.
Title: Crazy Horse
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:40:06 PM
It's irrelevant because good deals have made it that way.

More money would push us even further, sure, but that doesn't mean we still aren't capable of top 4/5 without it.
(http://gesvol.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/homer_getting_crazy_wallpaper_-_1920x1440.jpg)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:40:29 PM
 
Stop looking at how much each team has spent, it's fucking irrelevant

Should QPR be above us?

Is Leighton Baines still a £5m player?
Is Jagielka worth £4m?
Is Mirallas worth £6m?

I could go on...



Fucking hell are you mad? Irrelevant? It clearly correlates directly to a team's performance over an extended period of time. Of course QPR aren't going to be above us, they have been spending big for 1 or 2 years and started with a far inferior squad.

Spurs have been spending money for years and years, and eventually it brought them into the Champions League and they have built a big squad with it.

Just because we've done well in the transfer market doesn't make it irrelevant. If anything it points to how well we've done given our resources. But their are limits to this. We can't afford to buy proven, top-level players that would give us that extra push we probably need.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:41:21 PM
Exactly, the knee jerks don't see both sides, it's always about negativity. We had two of our best players out too and we don't have the depth spurs do so player for player I would say we were out matched so to come back from home with a point isn't amazing but I think it's acceptable and certainly isn't Moyes' fault.
All excuses you play the game on the day
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:42:46 PM
thats an arguement for another day - based on what was out there today we showed we had enough to beat them - u cant blame the transfer budget for the last 5/10mins today

Yes you can. If we had a better striker on the bench, or a better CM or a better winger it could have change the game.

Of course the team we put out was good enough to win the game. But the team Spurs put out was also good enough to win the game. Just because the team we put out is good enough to win the game doesn't mean they will.

Christ these are some very simplistic arguments.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:42:58 PM


Thanks for proving my point.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:43:55 PM
Well i didnt want to say it but as youve brought it up im guessing it doesnt going off your posts

Yes nothing but the best is good enough. But guess what this is the real world not some fantasy football dreamland where we buy cheap players and dominate the league. Being realistic does not mean not wanting the best, but being the best requires real money not a motto.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:43:55 PM

Fucking hell are you mad? Irrelevant? It clearly correlates directly to a team's performance over an extended period of time. Of course QPR aren't going to be above us, they have been spending big for 1 or 2 years and started with a far inferior squad.

Spurs have been spending money for years and years, and eventually it brought them into the Champions League and they have built a big squad with it.

Just because we've done well in the transfer market doesn't make it irrelevant. If anything it points to how well we've done given our resources. But their are limits to this. We can't afford to buy proven, top-level players that would give us that extra push we probably need.


It's irrelevant to the outcome of a single game though.

All that matters then is the quality in each side, not how much it cost.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 10:48:13 PM
Yes you can. If we had a better striker on the bench, or a better CM or a better winger it could have change the game.

Of course the team we put out was good enough to win the game. But the team Spurs put out was also good enough to win the game. Just because the team we put out is good enough to win the game doesn't mean they will.

Christ these are some very simplistic arguments.
spurs' bench was weaker than ours today - at the end of the day people are just accepting the draw cos it was spurs. Had this been against a qpr or a sunderland then im sure a lot more people would agree with mine and verms comments - Moyes seems to be exempt from criticism cos we played spurs - its an absolute joke
Title: Good lord these people are stupid
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 07, 2013, 10:49:04 PM
a qpr or a sunderland then im sure a lot more people would agree with mine and verms comments

But it's not is it!!!! That's the fucking point!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Jimbo and the Jetset on April 07, 2013, 10:49:45 PM
Football karma.
Remember we were 1-0 down at Goodison in December into the 90th minute.
Robbed them that day, fair result today when all said and done.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Geordie Blue on April 07, 2013, 10:49:57 PM
Exactly, the knee jerks don't see both sides, it's always about negativity. We had two of our best players out too and we don't have the depth spurs do so player for player I would say we were out matched so to come back from home with a point isn't amazing but I think it's acceptable and certainly isn't Moyes' fault.

Spot on - a point away from home against a Top 4 side is always a good point. DM just given manager of month again - with seven games to go still up there with Europe in our own hands. Best bet would probably be to sack the clueless tool and get in someone decent with a bit of ambition - honestly!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:50:16 PM
It's irrelevant to the outcome of a single game though.

All that matters then is the quality in each side, not how much it cost.

Yes and the quality of a team is directly related to the money that team spends.

Yes we could have won that game, but saying it is irrelevant in an individual is nonsensical. You could say that in each individual game all season, but in the end quality is determined largely by the ability to spend in the transfer market.

I am not saying that a draw in this game is fine, or that we should accept it. But quite frankly the overreaction on here about getting a point away to Spurs is over the top.

We had the quality to win that game, but overall we played a good game and being realistic a point is not a bad result. Yes winning that game would have been huge for a push for 4th but drawing doesn't leave us much worse off than we were before the weekend.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:52:09 PM
spurs' bench was weaker than ours today - at the end of the day people are just accepting the draw cos it was spurs. Had this been against a qpr or a sunderland then im sure a lot more people would agree with mine and verms comments - Moyes seems to be exempt from criticism cos we played spurs - its an absolute joke


Yes because QPR and Sunderland are worse teams!

Moyes isn't exempt from criticism, as I said he should have done something to help Baines deal with Walker. Overall though he got it right and we had our chances to win the game.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 10:55:19 PM
Yes and the quality of a team is directly related to the money that team spends.

Yes we could have won that game, but saying it is irrelevant in an individual is nonsensical. You could say that in each individual game all season, but in the end quality is determined largely by the ability to spend in the transfer market.

I am not saying that a draw in this game is fine, or that we should accept it. But quite frankly the overreaction on here about getting a point away to Spurs is over the top.

We had the quality to win that game, but overall we played a good game and being realistic a point is not a bad result. Yes winning that game would have been huge for a push for 4th but drawing doesn't leave us much worse off than we were before the weekend.

Not at all, look at the difference between us and QPR, Sunderland, Newcastle etc..
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on April 07, 2013, 10:56:22 PM
spurs' bench was weaker than ours today - at the end of the day people are just accepting the draw cos it was spurs. Had this been against a qpr or a sunderland then im sure a lot more people would agree with mine and verms comments - Moyes seems to be exempt from criticism cos we played spurs - its an absolute joke

And had it been against Stalybridge Celtic, there'd be riots. And your point is?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 07, 2013, 10:57:36 PM
There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.

Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.

But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on April 07, 2013, 10:57:40 PM
Anyone blamed Naismith yet?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on April 07, 2013, 10:58:49 PM
There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.

Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.

But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.
that's how i feel
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:59:19 PM
Not at all, look at the difference between us and QPR, Sunderland, Newcastle etc..

Over time, it will, in general, tell.

QPR had a crap squad only a year and a half ago. If they were to continue spending like that (and remain in the league) over the next 5 years they would push on.

Newcastle's net spend is actually not very high because of the money they got for that donkey Carroll.

Sunderland also haven't spent as much in recent years after selling Bent and Gyan for big money.

Look at the teams at the upper end of the table. Spurs, City, Chelsea have all spent big over the last 5 to 10 years to get where they are now. Even Arsenal, who haven't spent much on transfer fees have spent a lot on wages, enough to ensure they can keep a big squad.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 10:59:50 PM
There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.

Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.

But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 07, 2013, 11:01:01 PM
Not at all, look at the difference between us and QPR, Sunderland, Newcastle etc..

If we had £5m more we coul have had another player like Mirallas.

Other teams wasting money is irrelevant; teams like Spurs spending money well isn't (in this case).
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: JT on April 07, 2013, 11:02:32 PM
Good performance but gutted with another dropped points in last couple of minutes.

Poor sub decision by Moyes and Round in taking Mirallas off for Naismith. Had to be Oviedo for Mirallas, Ossie right mid, Oviedo left mid to protect Baines. All their threat was down our left and Coleman had Sigurdsson in his pocket.

Unlucky Vic with last gasp chance, great save by Lloris
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
If we had £5m more we coul have had another player like Mirallas.

Other teams wasting money is irrelevant; teams like Spurs spending money well isn't (in this case).

The player that's carried them all year cost £5m.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
The player that's carried them all year cost £5m.

They paid 8 million for a 17 year old. We cannot afford to take that risk on potential.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Verm on April 07, 2013, 11:07:33 PM
They paid 8 million for a 17 year old. We cannot afford to take that risk on potential.

Who?

(not disagreeing, just don't know)
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 11:08:21 PM
But it's not is it!!!! That's the fucking point!

so "your fucking point" is that we should only expect to see out our leads and beat the like of sunderland and qpr?

Fuckin joke we've gotta strive to be bigger and better than these teams in and around us regardless of budget and our tactics have got to reflect that.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Ridge on April 07, 2013, 11:08:58 PM
The player that's carried them all year cost £5m.

The original fee was 5 rising to over 10, but Saints needed cash so settled for a couple of million on top of the original £5m payment.

Plus he was brought as a 17 year old and didn't get in the first team for a long time. When was the last time we agreed a fee near £10m for a player who wasn't going to be first team immediately.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 11:10:23 PM
Who?

(not disagreeing, just don't know)

Bale, they paid an intial 5 million rising to 10 million. Although I think Southampton accepted an early fee.

We simply don't have the luxury of spending 5 million on a player that won't contribute for another 3 years. He was awful in his first two seasons and only started playing well in his third. If we pay that much we need someone who can contribute immediately.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: toshyboy on April 07, 2013, 11:14:21 PM
There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.

Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.

But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.

I agree its not a disgrace of a result. My gripe is with the continued negative tactics employed by moyes in the last 10mins of games that we are leading. This "discussion" has escalated as people seem to think Moyes is exempt from criticism for his tactical shortfalls for today just because its spurs we played.
Its not just about today its has happened numerous times this season where we've lost points in the last 5mins after negative changes
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on April 07, 2013, 11:17:36 PM
Who?

(not disagreeing, just don't know)

It was actually closer to 7, but it doesn't really matter. Spurs can afford to risk a lot of money on unproven youngsters like Bale, Naughton and loads of others who didn't quite work out.
Title: Re: RE: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 07, 2013, 11:19:14 PM
Yep Stones must be fucking boss

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Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on April 07, 2013, 11:20:40 PM
Bale, they paid an intial 5 million rising to 10 million. Although I think Southampton accepted an early fee.

We simply don't have the luxury of spending 5 million on a player that won't contribute for another 3 years. He was awful in his first two seasons and only started playing well in his third. If we pay that much we need someone who can contribute immediately.

I should also point out that you are using one player as an example which doesn't necessarily represent the rule.

For every Gareth Bale that is bought for decent money at 17 or 18, there are 4 or 5 others that never repay their fee.

Even a team like Spurs, that has generally bought very well, have a huge number of duds.

Look at Kyle Naughton, only this year is he getting any time on the pitch and it's not much. They paid 6 million for him.

Other shit transfers:

David Bentley 17 million
Bassong 8 million
Alan Hutton 9 million
Dos Santos 4 million

And a litany of players we've never heard of for between 2 and 4 million because they never made it.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 07, 2013, 11:23:14 PM
I agree its not a disgrace of a result. My gripe is with the continued negative tactics employed by moyes in the last 10mins of games that we are leading. This "discussion" has escalated as people seem to think Moyes is exempt from criticism for his tactical shortfalls for today just because its spurs we played.
Its not just about today its has happened numerous times this season where we've lost points in the last 5mins after negative changes



Well you'd have to think that it was his fault that they equalised then which is tenuous.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 07, 2013, 11:31:32 PM
The point about money isn't related to individual games or even individual seasons.

However continuos differences over several seasons and it will manifest itself.

Bale wasn't great at first yet they were able to continue to spend while he improved.

That's where the important factor is; they are less likely to suffer if a player doesn't work out as they have more players.

We suffered when Mirallas was out as we don't have adequate replacements.

It's the cumulative effect of the money.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 07, 2013, 11:37:37 PM
By the way Mirallas was pretty poor in attacking areas today despite his great goal.

score against Oldham, Reading, City (sort of), Stoke and Tottenham now which is 5 in 6 so it's good to see he's got a goal a game in him.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: minty on April 07, 2013, 11:53:44 PM
I should also point out that you are using one player as an example which doesn't necessarily represent the rule.

For every Gareth Bale that is bought for decent money at 17 or 18, there are 4 or 5 others that never repay their fee.

Even a team like Spurs, that has generally bought very well, have a huge number of duds.

Look at Kyle Naughton, only this year is he getting any time on the pitch and it's not much. They paid 6 million for him.

Other shit transfers:

David Bentley 17 million
Bassong 8 million
Alan Hutton 9 million
Dos Santos 4 million

And a litany of players we've never heard of for between 2 and 4 million because they never made it.

4 players from 4-6 seasons ago. I guess we've also had loads of shit transfers/a huge number of duds/players who haven't or won't repay their fees.

Yakubu
Bily
Van Der Meyde
Kroldrup
Heitinga (are we going to get anywhere near 6mil for him?)

Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Grand Master C on April 07, 2013, 11:54:20 PM
There's a difference between being disappointed with dropping points in a game like today and looking at its context overall.

Everyone will be disappointed that we didn't win given how the game panned out.

But it's hardly a disgrace of a result.

Exactly, it is all relative:

Before the match I would have happily taken this result.

At 2 minutes I would have fuckin bitten your hand off for it.

Now I am a bit gutted, but not as much as I would have been had Chelsea lost or Liverpool won.

At the end of the day we have taken 4 points of Spurs this season, if we could get that type of consistency throughout the league we are golden.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: GLewis on April 08, 2013, 12:02:20 AM
4 players from 4-6 seasons ago. I guess we've also had loads of shit transfers/a huge number of duds/players who haven't or won't repay their fees.

Yakubu
Bily
Van Der Meyde
Kroldrup
Heitinga (are we going to get anywhere near 6mil for him?)



It is largely irrelevant whether they've bought rubbish players or not.

It's that they've ha enough money that even when they did it didn't matter (greatly) or certainly not if they were measuring themselves against us.

Which they probably haven't as their investment levels will mean they compare themselves with Arsenal etc.
Title: Re: RE: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 08, 2013, 12:08:09 AM
Not having Heitinga in that list.

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Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 08, 2013, 12:22:06 AM
Played fairly well as a team, a hell of a lot of wayward passing though.

We were unlucky with their equaliser in the way it fell to Sigur Siggurds Sigurddson the tottenham lads feet straight from hitting the post.
Title: Jerkers
Post by: Bily No Pace on April 08, 2013, 12:32:17 AM
Not having Heitinga in that list.

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Yea the knee jerks seem to forget he was player of the season last year....
Title: Re: RE: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on April 08, 2013, 12:43:28 AM
Not having Heitinga in that list.

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Or Yakubu!

He was hardly some unproven foreigner
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: steve81 on April 08, 2013, 12:51:40 AM
heitinga wasnt in the game today and was also disappointed in baines and gibson, whos passing was poor. Plus side was vic and thought jags was solid. I thought mirallas was poor other than the goal
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 08, 2013, 01:21:03 AM
Yea the knee jerks seem to forget he was player of the season last year....

IMO he has had 2 good years for us. His first year and last year. I would not say he was a waste for the money at all as he is/was boss on his day.

Nor would I put Yak on the list as Heisenberg there. Before he ruptured that achilles against Spurs he was motivated and was as solid of a striker as we have had in the PL.
Title: Re: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 08, 2013, 01:34:51 AM
Heitinga decent today for me, made a number of decent tackles and interceptions especially second half

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Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: TheRam on April 08, 2013, 01:55:19 AM
Thought he was quite grim, not as shit as gibson tho
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Silas on April 08, 2013, 01:56:46 AM
Thought he was quite grim, not as shit as gibson tho

Gibson's been pretty poor since his return tbh.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: dekko on April 08, 2013, 02:09:45 AM
I read somewhere Gibson is carrying an injury and will do surgery this summer.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on April 08, 2013, 02:29:19 AM
I read somewhere Gibson is carrying an injury and will do surgery this summer.

Yea saw that too. Wonder how much it is affecting his play?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on April 08, 2013, 04:30:13 AM
Yea saw that too. Wonder how much it is affecting his play?

His form has been a bit up and down.thought he was superb against Man City
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: chang on April 08, 2013, 05:12:54 AM
Did we touch the ball before they scored today?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: New Free Transfer Signing on April 08, 2013, 08:59:08 AM
Did we touch the ball before they scored today?

Believe it or not we actually kicked off haha
Title: Re: Tottenham v Everton
Post by: Shogun on April 08, 2013, 09:33:08 AM
Believe it or not we actually kicked off haha

Do most teams kick off the way we do?

Kick the ball to a defender and let him hoof it and give possession away.