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November 25, 2017, 05:41:57 PM
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Ross


Sooner get rid of the bloke now if it saves us from another transfer window like the ones he has overseen previously

Edit: Beaten to it by Brap by about 30 seconds!

We don’t know who or what Walsh was responsible for though. Seemingly almost everyone loves Vlasic and Sandro and rates them, do you think Koeman knew about them and requested them? Or even that lad we’ve parked in Belgium? Same with Lookman as well.

We do know Koeman wanted Rooney and Sigurdsson (and most likely Klaassen given his connections) as he was very vocal about it, previously Schneiderlin and Bolasie, players Walsh or anybody in his position wouldn’t have to scout. We also know Koeman wanted more “productivity” from the team, ie Goalscores and to be less reliant on a forward, hence the recruitment of multiple players who perform the same attacking role, and we know Koeman wanted Giroud and only Giroud (no point in options 2,3 or 4 etc etc).

Walsh could be a goldmine of knowledge given the freedom to operate properly, only time will tell, but he’s clearly been handicapped by Koemans influence over Moshiri in the past and the squad imbalance isnt down to him.

The whole Walsh witchhunt is odd given nobody actually knows his role, responsibilities or remit are.
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November 25, 2017, 05:50:39 PM
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Seemingly almost everyone loves Vlasic and Sandro and rates them, do you think Koeman knew about them and requested them? Or even that lad we’ve parked in Belgium? Same with Lookman as well.

People have said Vlasic looks alright based on what we've seen.
Sandro has been an absolute joke and nobody 'loves' him.
Scoring goals in Belgium means absolutely fuck all, we'll see what he's actually got when he arrives at Everton.
Lookman has done nothing but look out of his depth so far this season. May well blossom in a year or two, could just as easily bomb.

Stopped reading after that 1st paragraph because there was more than enough bollocks to ge getting on with.

November 25, 2017, 05:51:42 PM
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van der Meyde


We don’t know who or what Walsh was responsible for though. Seemingly almost everyone loves Vlasic and Sandro and rates them, do you think Koeman knew about them and requested them? Or even that lad we’ve parked in Belgium? Same with Lookman as well.

We do know Koeman wanted Rooney and Sigurdsson (and most likely Klaassen given his connections) as he was very vocal about it, previously Schneiderlin and Bolasie, players Walsh or anybody in his position wouldn’t have to scout. We also know Koeman wanted more “productivity” from the team, ie Goalscores and to be less reliant on a forward, hence the recruitment of multiple players who perform the same attacking role, and we know Koeman wanted Giroud and only Giroud (no point in options 2,3 or 4 etc etc).

Walsh could be a goldmine of knowledge given the freedom to operate properly, only time will tell, but he’s clearly been handicapped by Koemans influence over Moshiri in the past and the squad imbalance isnt down to him.

The whole Walsh witchhunt is odd given nobody actually knows his role, responsibilities or remit are.
All that could be true, but his first suggestion for the most important job at the club was his old mate Sam Allardyce.
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November 25, 2017, 05:57:01 PM
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All that could be true, but his first suggestion for the most important job at the club was his old mate Sam Allardyce.

Well for a start that’s only a rumour. But if it’s true maybe he was asked who he thought could come in now right away and steady the ship until the end of the season, and he’d probably be right wouldnt he.
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November 25, 2017, 06:02:53 PM
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Well for a start that’s only a rumour. But if it’s true maybe he was asked who he thought could come in now right away and steady the ship until the end of the season, and he’d probably be right wouldnt he.
Well it's not only a rumour is it? Allardyce has said himself that Everton didn't show the commitment he would like. There's fairly substantive reports that Moshiri met with Allardyce which hasn't been refuted in the slightest.

We don't shy away from offering managers over £100k p/w and we're one of the few clubs willing to pay hefty compensation for them. I like Allardyce. I'm one of the bigger fans of him. Having Allardyce as your first port of call though is nothing short of negligent.
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November 25, 2017, 06:05:36 PM
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Ross


Well it's not only a rumour is it? Allardyce has said himself that Everton didn't show the commitment he would like. There's fairly substantive reports that Moshiri met with Allardyce which hasn't been refuted in the slightest.

We don't shy away from offering managers over £100k p/w and we're one of the few clubs willing to pay hefty compensation for them. I like Allardyce. I'm one of the bigger fans of him. Having Allardyce as your first port of call though is nothing short of negligent.

It’s only a rumour in that Walsh “recommended” him. He may have suggested others as well though, nobody knows.
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November 25, 2017, 06:14:15 PM
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We don’t know who or what Walsh was responsible for though. Seemingly almost everyone loves Vlasic and Sandro and rates them, do you think Koeman knew about them and requested them? Or even that lad we’ve parked in Belgium? Same with Lookman as well.

Walsh could be a goldmine of knowledge given the freedom to operate properly, only time will tell, but he’s clearly been handicapped by Koemans influence over Moshiri in the past and the squad imbalance isnt down to him.

The whole Walsh witchhunt is odd given nobody actually knows his role, responsibilities or remit are.

My guess is he was brought in to Everton largely due to his experience as a football scout at Chelsea and Newcastle and having been head of player recruitment at Leicester, he supposedly played a part in not just bringing in Kante, Vardy and Mahrez to Leicester but also the likes of Zola, Drogba and Essien when he was at Chelsea. We had lost Kevin Reeves who was in charge of the scouting setup until Martinez was sacked so we needed that position filled, the board identified Walsh but wanted to give him a director of football title with seemingly more responsibilities towards the running of the footballing of the club, whatever these responsibilities are supposed to be.

I think every signing we made this summer was endorsed by Koeman, he definitely wanted Rooney, Klaassen and Sigurdsson even though they all occupied the same position and supposedly Koeman and Walsh sat down earlier this summer to discuss transfer targets. It is difficult though to find out the full extent of Walsh's player recruitment role this summer, did he just recommend players and Kenwright/Elstone did all the negotiating or did he actually take a more active part in some deals like his trip to Italy was hinting at?

What seems to be the case though is the club is in quite a mess right now and it doesn't look like we have a proper functioning structure for planning or devising a clear coherent long term football development strategy. It wouldn't surprise me if certain decision making roles were overlapping or people nearer the top of the Everton hierarchy are making the decisions which maybe should be left to those with more expertise in footballing matters.

I just hope for the sake of Everton FC we can get the formula right before things get rapidly worse.

November 25, 2017, 06:19:11 PM
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I just think, if I’m Sporting Director the first fucking job on the list is to go right, here’s my ten strikers that will be to do some of the things that Lukaku could do. I’ve used our new data fella to help out it together and yeah, girouds on the list but there’s 9 other fellas so don’t get distracted ok?

After that, here’s my list of full backs - Coleman’s broke his fucking leg and Baines is aba 50 and they’ve been crucial for about 10 years sonit would be literally retarded to not find someone who can replace some of the energy and passing those lads can, especially with how important fullbacks are these days.

We’ve had a bid for Gareth Barry have we? Sorry nah, unless you want to buy one of these passing DM’s.

Maybe Walsh did do that, though, but Koeman "he does what he wants" decided if the targets he wanted weren't available then fuck it.

Personally, I think they are both crap.
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November 25, 2017, 06:21:22 PM
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On a slightly positive note, he's probably more than paid for himself by recommending Gana and Onyekuru.

Yes.

It’s too early to write off everyone else as well.

But it could be that he’s not cut out for the negotiations maybe or whatever.

There were stories that BK / Elstone still have final input to negotiations; stories that Koeman was identifying half the players him the other etc.

Then add in poor on field performance and it’s very hard to reach a definitive opinion.

What was a mistake was jumping from Monchi to someone (not just Walsh personally) who had never done the role.

We should have ensured that, given it was the first time that we were having that role, we appointed someone with experience of it.

November 26, 2017, 03:41:31 AM
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pjk

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Not sure if this has been posted, but questions are being asked regarding Steve Walsh's position. :wag:



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November 26, 2017, 03:44:43 AM
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Happy it’s bring reviewed, not majorly confident in those doing the reviewing.
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November 26, 2017, 10:42:38 AM
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Well for a start that's only a rumour. But if it's true maybe he was asked who he thought could come in now right away and steady the ship until the end of the season, and he'd probably be right wouldnt he.

Any fucker could have come up with that answer for a lot less than what Walsh is getting paid
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November 26, 2017, 01:12:18 PM
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bluenuck


A lot of angry people in here believing everything they read on the Internet.

It's been said by koeman that if both him and Walsh don't agree on a player then they don't pursue/buy him. So how in the fuk do we know who Walsh wanted but koeman didn't or vice versa??? Give your fukkin heads a shake and calm the fuk down.

This site is becoming ridiculous with rumours and speculation becoming fact. It's like Donald trump has multiplied.

November 26, 2017, 08:09:27 PM
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Martip


A lot of angry people in here believing everything they read on the Internet.

It's been said by koeman that if both him and Walsh don't agree on a player then they don't pursue/buy him. So how in the fuk do we know who Walsh wanted but koeman didn't or vice versa??? Give your fukkin heads a shake and calm the fuk down.

This site is becoming ridiculous with rumours and speculation becoming fact. It's like Donald trump has multiplied.
My thoughts are that if Walsh could not see the issues which exist in this squad he is not good enough for the job simple as. He and koeman between them have put together the worst transfer window in prem history ....no doubt about that imo.

November 26, 2017, 08:57:18 PM
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GrantyBoy78


I said 5 games into the season that this squad needs a complete overhaul. Not being smug, I’d obviously like to see us win, just obvious.