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Title: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Everton News on March 20, 2017, 12:45:01 AM
Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break

Everton midfielder Tom Cleverley is one step closer to making his loan move to Watford permanent after making his 8th appearance for the Hornets yesterday.

Source: Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/03/cleverley-set-seal-permanent-move-watford-international-break/)
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 20, 2017, 01:04:00 AM
Kerching!

Everyone's a winner baby....
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 20, 2017, 01:05:47 AM
Think Rom will stay after he hears this.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: toffee_scot on March 20, 2017, 01:18:43 AM
Good, if everyone is happy.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2017, 01:32:46 AM
It's a deal, it's a steal, it's the Sale of the fucking Century!
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2017, 01:36:49 AM
It's a deal, it's a steal, it's the Sale of the fucking Century!

no, that's our line to Hull about Niasse, but we complete the quote with "In fact Nick, fuck it, I think I'll keep it"
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2017, 01:39:46 AM
Give the funds to Rom and Barkley as signing on fees.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2017, 02:21:33 PM
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Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Ramjam on March 20, 2017, 02:25:34 PM
Lovely jubley
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Waltzer on March 20, 2017, 02:25:52 PM
Am I the only one that thought this is a bit cheap? Granted hes not Messi but 6 million for a 27 year old player with England caps seems very cheap to me?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2017, 02:35:39 PM
6 million is a decent profit for a player who cost us fuck all
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2017, 03:28:20 PM
Am I the only one that thought this is a bit cheap? Granted hes not Messi but 6 million for a 27 year old player with England caps seems very cheap to me?

He's shite.

Take the money and run
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2017, 03:38:27 PM
Made up hes going but in full agreement that 6M is fucking shite for an england international and someone who has a premier league winners medal.

Jordan Ibe went for 15M for fuck sake.

Anyway glad hes going and yes its a profit on someone who cost us fuck all.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
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Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2017, 03:44:34 PM
Made up hes going but in full agreement that 6M is fucking shite for an england international and someone who has a premier league winners medal.

Jordan Ibe went for 15M for fuck sake.

Anyway glad hes going and yes its a profit on someone who cost us fuck all.

He played for England for one reason only, he was a Man United player, If I played for United Id probably get a couple of caps, when it comes to England, its now how good you play or how good you are but its who you play for, United and the shite are prime examples of that.

6 million is an excellent deal for us
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Robioto on March 20, 2017, 04:03:33 PM
6m profit and off the wage budget. Good.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2017, 04:05:58 PM
Never watch Watford so I'd genuinely forgotten he's still our player. Getting 6m for him is like finding a cheeky fifty quid down the back of the couch.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2017, 04:40:35 PM
Never watch Watford so I'd genuinely forgotten he's still our player. Getting 6m for him is like finding a cheeky fifty quid down the back of the couch.

I found a 2 coin down the back of mine on Saturday, I was buzzing
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: TheRam on March 20, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
Mad init.

People go on about how shite England are yet expect clubs to pay over the odds for someone who's played a few games for them.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2017, 05:05:16 PM
Nah not avin it. 6M in todays market is fucking terrible.

But I will stop complaining as its only a minor complaint anyway. Happy he is going.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2017, 05:11:18 PM
Glad he's going.

We finally get the money we lost on Kroldrup back ;)
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: chang on March 20, 2017, 05:14:41 PM
Nah not avin it. 6M in todays market is fucking terrible.

But I will stop complaining as its only a minor complaint anyway. Happy he is going.

Everton did only pay a little more for Idrissa Gana Gueye ?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2017, 05:16:47 PM
Everton did only pay a little more for Idrissa Gana Gueye ?

Relegation clause that wasn't it?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: everton1952 on March 20, 2017, 05:30:45 PM
Cleverly plays every game at Watford so he must be doing something right by their standards anyway. At todays prices they must think he is a bargain.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: plumber on March 20, 2017, 05:34:57 PM
Relegation clause that wasn't it?

It was.

6 million is a ridiculous price. Decent Championship players cost more nowadays.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: blargins on March 20, 2017, 05:47:54 PM
How would you all feel if we spunked 6 million on him? Be pretty disappointed I think. Hell, most were disappointed when we paid nothing for him.

He's gone, we've made a decent profit, move on.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2017, 08:01:59 PM
I think it's a low fee for someone of his age in the PL.

But it's reflective of the fact that we probably want rid of his wages as much as anything else.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Hesmenos on March 20, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
I reckon he's normally worth 8-9 million. But it's a different price when you're buying from a team that doesn't want to sell, compared to one that's trying to get rid. Looking at our options in midfield now, he'd struggle to make the bench. Plus he was on pretty high wages.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 20, 2017, 08:37:15 PM
I found a 2 coin down the back of mine on Saturday, I was buzzing

my little lad found 5p in the street and buzzed off to the bottom shop for a lollipop , proper made up.........funny.....

still think he is worth slightly more in todays market ,  but he's off the wage budget then all's good
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: efcforlife on March 20, 2017, 09:10:47 PM
6 million is fuck all money.

I'm not arsed like but we should of asked for more

Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 20, 2017, 09:25:04 PM
Not looking gift horses in the mouth comes to mind here.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: hill135 on March 20, 2017, 09:51:41 PM
Another poor RM signing, who from the outset was clearly not good enough. See ya Tom
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 20, 2017, 10:16:17 PM
Cleverley at Watford:

8 games, 1 assist, 0 shots on target, 3 yellow cards, 78% passing

average player, being sold for an average price to an average team

would people rather we'd pushed for say 8-10m and risk them turning round and saying actually no you're alright we aren't that interested and us being stuck with him?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: efcforlife on March 20, 2017, 11:35:32 PM
Cleverley at Watford:

8 games, 1 assist, 0 shots on target, 3 yellow cards, 78% passing

average player, being sold for an average price to an average team

would people rather we'd pushed for say 8-10m and risk them turning round and saying actually no you're alright we aren't that interested and us being stuck with him?


No I'd rather start at 10mill though and work my way down to the 6 mill that was agreed.

He's a decent tick over midfielder, he's worth more than 6 million to Watford.

Just take a look at their last 10 signings, they are getting an absolute steal.

Im all honesty I'm pretty sure 6 will be a starting fee with a few more to come with add ons anyway
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 20, 2017, 11:46:10 PM
Suspect that if we set the buy it now price too high they wouldn't have taken him on loan.

But still, folk will still find a reason to moan. Sad dullards.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: ally2 on March 21, 2017, 12:23:05 AM

I'm pretty sure 6 will be a starting fee with a few more to come with add ons anyway

Yeah. He could become a Watford legend lol
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Goaljira on March 21, 2017, 12:48:38 AM
Said this at the time of the loan, but a low sell on fee might have been part of his initial deal given we didn't pay for him directly.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: efcforlife on March 21, 2017, 04:44:49 AM
Suspect that if we set the buy it now price too high they wouldn't have taken him on loan.

But still, folk will still find a reason to moan. Sad dullards.


Buy it now price? Do you mean the buy after the loan price?

They didn't have any buy it now money,hence the loan.

Did someone mention dullards?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Ramjam on March 21, 2017, 05:30:25 AM
Six million more than he cost us so subtract that from the Niassie fee of 13 million which Bobby brown shoes spunked out and that leaves the Hull goal getter costing us 7 million, Assuming we can off load Niassie for 7 or 8 million I think we can count our selves very lucky that we got out of jail with some creative accounting and to a degree save some embarrassment
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: blargins on March 21, 2017, 06:14:26 AM
Six million more than he cost us so subtract that from the Niassie fee of 13 million which Bobby brown shoes spunked out and that leaves the Hull goal getter costing us 7 million, Assuming we can off load Niassie for 7 or 8 million I think we can count our selves very lucky that we got out of jail with some creative accounting and to a degree save some embarrassment
If you think about it we sold Naismith for 7 or 8 million and used that to buy Niasse. We've broken even with those three players.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 02:38:05 PM
Cleverley is an awful player, I'd be happy with a 1 million for him just to get him off the wage bill
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 21, 2017, 03:21:05 PM
Im not at all fussed on the amount we bring in from these players. I am more concerned about us freeing up this wage bill for the summer.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Lxxx on March 21, 2017, 03:28:17 PM
We have in effect swapped Cleverley for Gueye, give or take a few quid. When put in perspective it's a fuckin steal of a deal all day long, bearing in mind Gueye is 10 times the player.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: blargins on March 21, 2017, 04:53:09 PM
Does this mean he gets to play against us when we play Watford again?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 21, 2017, 05:44:56 PM
Cleverley is an awful player, I'd be happy with a 1 million for him just to get him off the wage bill

Think it's harsh to call him awful. He is the very epitome of 'bang average' in every aspect.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 05:46:20 PM
Think it's harsh to call him awful. He is the very epitome of 'bang average' in every aspect.

How about fucking awful?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 21, 2017, 06:01:47 PM
How about fucking awful?

I'm hardly his biggest fan, he's like Pienaar without the good bits but he's far from awful.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: hill135 on March 21, 2017, 06:05:04 PM
I think 'bang awful' is a fair compromise.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 06:07:11 PM
I'm hardly his biggest fan, he's like Pienaar without the good bits but he's far from awful.

I'm better than him and I'm absolute shite, so awful is a pretty fair assessment
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Shogun on March 21, 2017, 06:28:31 PM
Modern day Simon Davies
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 21, 2017, 07:18:10 PM
Modern day Simon Davies

Cor remember that one goal he scored. How many bobbles?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: GLewis on March 21, 2017, 07:18:33 PM
Modern day Simon Davies

Fair assessment I'd say.

He's got good technique, works hard, seems to be decent tactically etc.

All should add up to better than what he shows.

Don't think he's got the strength of personality to impose himself if things aren't going his or the team's way.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: ally2 on March 21, 2017, 08:07:08 PM
I still think he's a decent player but not good enough for us as things stand so it's fine.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Ridge on March 21, 2017, 10:52:59 PM
I'm far from his biggest fan, but I'd say only Barry has a better range and accuracy of passing left at club. Cleverley doesn't really have enough pace for the wings or the defensive ability to play centrally in a deeper role. But he also doesn't have a big enough influence on games to warrant a starting berth as main creative outlet.

He's exactly the sort of player who would benefit from finding a more prominent role further down the pecking order. But it seems like he is dropping down in stages and without regular football on route, there is only so long that you put in the graft and develop when you're hardly needed.

Positions are at a premium in the PL, and you often need a more multi-faceted approach if you're not exceptional at something. But he's a decent little player who could settle into a team and become a very good player for them, but he probably needs to take a step further back before he can move forward and it's getting a bit late in the day for his development on the pitch.

Think he might actually be better off heading abroad if he got the opportunity, think he'd be much better suited to several of the leagues on the continent.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 11:29:35 PM
Lets not beat around the thorny nesty wafty bush here lads.

He is an absolute bag of shite and we all know it.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Ross on March 21, 2017, 11:32:12 PM
Poor Tom even by doing the right thing he's somehow doing wrong.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 21, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
He gets by in sides that are winning. He isn't s game changer and simply doesn't impose himself enough on games

Good luck to the lad. Came in for free and 6m is decent money for an average player like him

Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Shogun on March 22, 2017, 12:03:43 AM
I'm far from his biggest fan, but I'd say only Barry has a better range and accuracy of passing left at club.
:Baines:
Title: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: efcforlife on March 22, 2017, 02:08:35 AM
The lad was considered the future of England and man uniteds midfield by many well known football people only 4/5 years ago.

He impressed for England early on.

He didn't play for England because he was at united, he played because he was class.

He has been unlucky with injurys and has struggled to get regular football for the last few years. When he gets or if he gets a run in a team he will perform.

6 million is an absolute steal.

Cleverly isn't awful, and if you think it you really don't know the game of football very well at all.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 22, 2017, 02:18:13 AM
The lad was considered the future of England and man uniteds midfield by many well known football people only 4/5 years ago.

He impressed for England early on.

He didn't play for England because he was at united, he played because he was class.

He has been unlucky with injurys and has struggled to get regular football for the last few years. When he gets or if he gets a run in a team he will perform.

6 million is an absolute steal.

Cleverly isn't awful, and if you think it you really don't know the game of football very well at all.
Class?
Get the fuck out of here

What does he bring to a team?

He isn't a wide mf, he isn't a central mf, he can't play off the forwards, he isn't good enough to play anchor mf

He is another massively overrated young player who the media built up, mainly cos he was at man u, and shot to pieces as soon as they could.

He is an average Pl player, there are probably plenty in the championship who can do what he does
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Brownie20 on March 22, 2017, 02:22:24 AM
The lad was considered the future of England and man uniteds midfield by many well known football people only 4/5 years ago.

He impressed for England early on.

He didn't play for England because he was at united, he played because he was class.

He has been unlucky with injurys and has struggled to get regular football for the last few years. When he gets or if he gets a run in a team he will perform.

6 million is an absolute steal.

Cleverly isn't awful, and if you think it you really don't know the game of football very well at all.

It's not often I agree with you, but I do here. Mate of mine is a Utd season ticket holder for the past decade. Said he was good until he was made the scapegoat for poor Utd performances and that he was always better than others made out. Good luck to Tom, I bear him no I'll will
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: hill135 on March 22, 2017, 02:40:44 AM
The lad was considered the future of England and man uniteds midfield by many well known football people only 4/5 years ago.

He impressed for England early on.

He didn't play for England because he was at united, he played because he was class.

He has been unlucky with injurys and has struggled to get regular football for the last few years. When he gets or if he gets a run in a team he will perform.

6 million is an absolute steal.

Cleverly isn't awful, and if you think it you really don't know the game of football very well at all.

Welcome to the forum, Roberto
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Robioto on March 22, 2017, 02:47:58 AM
The lad was considered the future of England and man uniteds midfield by many well known football people only 4/5 years ago.

He impressed for England early on.

He didn't play for England because he was at united, he played because he was class.

He has been unlucky with injurys and has struggled to get regular football for the last few years. When he gets or if he gets a run in a team he will perform.

6 million is an absolute steal.

Cleverly isn't awful, and if you think it you really don't know the game of football very well at all.

Is this post a wind up?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Major Clanger on March 22, 2017, 02:49:00 AM
It's not often I agree with you, but I do here. Mate of mine is a Utd season ticket holder for the past decade. Said he was good until he was made the scapegoat for poor Utd performances and that he was always better than others made out. Good luck to Tom, I bear him no I'll will

That was then though, and this is now. Whatever the reasons, he hasn't kicked on since and the chance of him ever being more than a bit part player in Watford or an ever-present midfielder in a yo-yo club is very slim.

He's not the first and not the last either. To remind us of this, let's all "enjoy" this video:


Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Brownie20 on March 22, 2017, 02:58:37 AM
That was then though, and this is now. Whatever the reasons, he hasn't kicked on since and the chance of him ever being more than a bit part player in Watford or an ever-present midfielder in a yo-yo club is very slim.

He's not the first and not the last either. To remind us of this, let's all "enjoy" this video:




I know.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: efcforlife on March 22, 2017, 04:30:07 AM
He was given glowing references by fellow pro's and managers, he wasn't built up by the media, far from it. Hodgson compared him to Fabregas, Rooney called him the future of England, Glenn hoddle wanked over him and many more at the time.

He has dropped of in recent years due to injury in the main.

It's not that hard to understand why he hasn't performed over the last few years.

I don't want to keep him at Everton because he isn't right for us, he will be a cracking player and trainer at Watford though and I wouldn't be surprised if he played for England again before his times up.

Tom Cleverly isn't a glamorous name so I could say anything here and he'd be slagged off.

To compare him to Rodwell is just laughable. In what way are the 2 comparable? Other than the fact they are footballers?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 22, 2017, 04:36:29 AM
The Comparison to fabaregas tho 😂🙈🙈🙈
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Goaljira on March 22, 2017, 04:37:00 AM
I liked him.  I wanted him to do well, and he did have some good games for us.  He'll be a decent player for a mid-table side, he's just not the right fit or quality for our current team.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: TheRam on March 22, 2017, 04:47:21 AM
He was given glowing references by fellow pro's and managers, he wasn't built up by the media, far from it. Hodgson compared him to Fabregas, Rooney called him the future of England, Glenn hoddle wanked over him and many more at the time.

He has dropped of in recent years due to injury in the main.

It's not that hard to understand why he hasn't performed over the last few years.

I don't want to keep him at Everton because he isn't right for us, he will be a cracking player and trainer at Watford though and I wouldn't be surprised if he played for England again before his times up.

Tom Cleverly isn't a glamorous name so I could say anything here and he'd be slagged off.

To compare him to Rodwell is just laughable. In what way are the 2 comparable? Other than the fact they are footballers?

Does Tony Bellew rate him?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: efcforlife on March 22, 2017, 05:13:03 AM
Does Tony Bellew rate him?

Probably, he often talks sense on football to be fair to him.

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Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Confucius on March 22, 2017, 06:10:17 AM
Probably, he often talks sense on football to be fair to him.

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You really are such a complete idiot.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Ross on March 22, 2017, 06:35:50 AM
Omg this is such an easy mistake to make that it could usually only happen on a low budget Hollywood Adam Sandler comedy.

Everyone else is talking about Cleverley and @efcforlife (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=186) has got him hilariously mixed up with another footballer called Cleverly.


Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Gash on March 22, 2017, 07:13:00 AM
Omg this is such an easy mistake to make that it could usually only happen on a low budget Hollywood Adam Sandler comedy.

Everyone else is talking about Cleverley and @efcforlife (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=186) has got him hilariously mixed up with another footballer called Cleverly.

Yup, very easy mistake, we've all done it. ;)

Well let's say they paid double his value, takes us back to the point that a player of his quality and experience cost about 8m. I'd say Cleverly offers as much as Allen at least and also comes with more experience and the English tax so 8m would seem a decent deal, anything lower and we've done well.

If we got Cleverly for 4m we'll have done very well, I doubt we'd be the only interested party though so I think it's likely to be somewhere between 4-8m.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 22, 2017, 08:28:37 AM
I still think he's a decent player but not good enough for us as things stand so it's fine.

Really fit the Martinez setup, didn't fit Koeman's at all.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Robioto on March 22, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
He was given glowing references by fellow pro's and managers, he wasn't built up by the media, far from it. Hodgson compared him to Fabregas, Rooney called him the future of England, Glenn hoddle wanked over him and many more at the time.

He has dropped of in recent years due to injury in the main.

It's not that hard to understand why he hasn't performed over the last few years.

I don't want to keep him at Everton because he isn't right for us, he will be a cracking player and trainer at Watford though and I wouldn't be surprised if he played for England again before his times up.

Tom Cleverly isn't a glamorous name so I could say anything here and he'd be slagged off.

To compare him to Rodwell is just laughable. In what way are the 2 comparable? Other than the fact they are footballers?

So it wasn't a wind up?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 22, 2017, 08:20:39 PM
A new low for the forum.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Major Clanger on March 22, 2017, 08:52:12 PM
To compare him to Rodwell is just laughable. In what way are the 2 comparable? Other than the fact they are footballers?

I apologise, you're right of course.

Rodwell was far more talented as a youngster.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Cozzie on March 22, 2017, 09:01:41 PM
I reckon Cleverley is flat out shit.

However.

United did win the premier league with him and Anderson as the midfield pairing.

Still just reckon in todays market 6M in todays market is shite.

But this argument has been done to death. Hes going and we have made profit on him.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Lazarou on March 31, 2017, 06:09:08 PM
Looks a done deal.

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/03/31/cleverley (http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/03/31/cleverley)
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 31, 2017, 06:17:35 PM
Is that what we are getting? 6 million? That's shocking. Yes he's an average premier league player but you don't get a championship player for that
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: pjk on March 31, 2017, 06:30:28 PM
It is a done deal. Watford have confirmed it. Sorry it didn't work out Tom, Good luck on your travels :).



http://www.90min.com/posts/4800276-watford-confirm-the-permanent-signing-of-tom-cleverley-from-everton-on-5-year-deal?utm_source=RSS
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 31, 2017, 06:35:38 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/03/31/cleverley

Joyous news
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Lxxx on March 31, 2017, 06:37:16 PM
Is that what we are getting? 6 million? That's shocking. Yes he's an average premier league player but you don't get a championship player for that

He is a championship level player. We made 6m profit on him.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: D15TIN on March 31, 2017, 06:56:41 PM
He's shite, I actually heard it was 8 million agreement with Watford, bit surprised to see 6 million on there, either way a good deal for a player who doesnt really provide anything at all and cost us nothing
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Bluenose 91 on March 31, 2017, 06:59:15 PM
6-8mil is sound for an average player that was literally never going to get in our team and wanted to go and play regular elsewhere.

I don't see how people were expecting us to be getting 10mil+ for him
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Lxxx on March 31, 2017, 07:00:28 PM
6-8mil is sound for an average player that was literally never going to get in our team and wanted to go and play regular elsewhere.

I don't see how people were expecting us to be getting 10mil+ for him

Exactly. We're being told how shit he is but expect people to stump up decent money. Makes no sense.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Robioto on March 31, 2017, 07:24:39 PM
Profit and off the wage bill. Good business.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 31, 2017, 07:27:31 PM
Profit and off the wage bill. Good business.

Pretty sure I read somewhere that he was on 50k a week
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: GLewis on March 31, 2017, 07:32:19 PM
Pretty sure I read somewhere that he was on 50k a week

I read 60k somewhere. Would make sense given he was a free with the signing on fee probably factored into his wages.

The fee is low but it's a reflection that we wanted him off the wage bill.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Toddacelli on March 31, 2017, 08:03:03 PM
At least he SURVIVED the international break!
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: hill135 on March 31, 2017, 08:33:19 PM
Good riddance
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: TheRam on March 31, 2017, 08:59:47 PM
Is that what we are getting? 6 million? That's shocking. Yes he's an average premier league player but you don't get a championship player for that

What are you expecting us to get form someone like cleverley then?

He offered us absolutely nothing and was about 6th choice centre mid.

6mil and off the wage bill for someone like that is sound.

Getting rid of these types is all about getting them off the wage bill and freeing up a space in the squad. If Cleverley was still here we may not have seen the emergence of Davies for example.

He really isn't a very good player so wanting anything about 6mil for him is pretty optimistic.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Macca77 on March 31, 2017, 09:23:10 PM
6 million is pretty good business for us
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Trublue on March 31, 2017, 09:55:12 PM
We'll probably of got a loan fee to of with the 6 million.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Lxxx on March 31, 2017, 10:03:54 PM
To put into context we paid 7.5m for Gueye. The rumoured 6m with maybe a loan fee means we've effectively swapped a non-entity for one of the best midfielders of his type in the league, as well as saving just under 10m in wages for the rest of his contract for a player who'll never play.

It's a great deal and one which needs repeating about another half a dozen times until we get the squad we need.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: djws1788 on March 31, 2017, 11:47:24 PM
if there was any serious interest in Cleverley, he'd have left on a permanent in January rather than on loan first.

good business and good luck to the lad.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 01, 2017, 01:21:53 AM
What are you expecting us to get form someone like cleverley then?

He offered us absolutely nothing and was about 6th choice centre mid.

6mil and off the wage bill for someone like that is sound.

Getting rid of these types is all about getting them off the wage bill and freeing up a space in the squad. If Cleverley was still here we may not have seen the emergence of Davies for example.

He really isn't a very good player so wanting anything about 6mil for him is pretty optimistic.

Didn't snodgrass go for 10 with only a year left on his contract. Didn't we just buy a 6th choice midfielder for 25m (of obviously different quality) didn't Ibe go for 15?

I didn't think you got a premier league player in this day for 6m. He's gone to Watford and apparently performed quite well. I can't imagine you'll find many warford fans who don't think they've got him cheap.
We didn't have use for him but nor did Liverpool have use for benteke or Utd for Morgan (I still can't spell his last name)
It just seems we made the buy part of the loan way too low. 14m is Valencias. Gives them room to negotiate. 6m for someone who's apparently performing quite well for a premier league club is a bargain. I'm not bothered as we had no use for him but that's extremely cheap in this market
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 01, 2017, 01:25:47 AM
To put into context we paid 7.5m for Gueye. The rumoured 6m with maybe a loan fee means we've effectively swapped a non-entity for one of the best midfielders of his type in the league, as well as saving just under 10m in wages for the rest of his contract for a player who'll never play.

It's a great deal and one which needs repeating about another half a dozen times until we get the squad we need.

These examples really are a nonsense. Can make almost any deal look good by comparing it to the right 1.

Sign rooney he'll cost similar to Niasse. Every full back is a waste of money cos Coleman cost the square route of fuck all. You have to compare to the market not just cherry pick the best or worst deal to work your argument
Burnley signed a championship midfielder for 10m who's now in and out of their side. The market is ridiculous.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Toddacelli on April 01, 2017, 01:34:36 AM
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Ridge on April 01, 2017, 01:58:28 AM
Never really get the plea for acceptance of ignorance, things are always more of a spectrum than black or white. But it's not that so difficult as to not be worth a go. The context is important and relevant, but we've sold Cleverley for about the same amount as we got Gueye for, both transfers this season, seems a fairly obvious and reasonable comparison to make.

Coleman was a snip at 60k because he was under contract, but Cleverley was out of contract and free. You have to take wages and other things into account, but Gueye is more valuable and a better buy than Cleverley was on a free.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: efcforlife on April 01, 2017, 02:52:02 AM
Disgusting fee
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 01, 2017, 03:21:47 AM
Never really get the plea for acceptance of ignorance, things are always more of a spectrum than black or white. But it's not that so difficult as to not be worth a go. The context is important and relevant, but we've sold Cleverley for about the same amount as we got Gueye for, both transfers this season, seems a fairly obvious and reasonable comparison to make.

Coleman was a snip at 60k because he was under contract, but Cleverley was out of contract and free. You have to take wages and other things into account, but Gueye is more valuable and a better buy than Cleverley was on a free.

Not really. Well not unless you're suggesting villa got a fair price for gueye
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Lxxx on April 01, 2017, 04:47:42 AM
These examples really are a nonsense. Can make almost any deal look good by comparing it to the right 1.

Sign rooney he'll cost similar to Niasse. Every full back is a waste of money cos Coleman cost the square route of fuck all. You have to compare to the market not just cherry pick the best or worst deal to work your argument
Burnley signed a championship midfielder for 10m who's now in and out of their side. The market is ridiculous.

Of course the examples are relevant. We bought one midfielder for 7.2m in August and sold another midfielder in January for 6m. We've effectively swapped one for the other. Which part of that is so difficult to understand?
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 01, 2017, 05:01:10 AM
Of course the examples are relevant. We bought one midfielder for 7.2m in August and sold another midfielder in January for 6m. We've effectively swapped one for the other. Which part of that is so difficult to understand?

Well we've improved for nothing but it says nowt to the value of either player

Liverpool swapped Torres for Carroll and 15m. Are we suggesting that says something to carrolls value?

Getting a fantastic deal on gueye doesn't negate losing money elsewhere

Keep seeing rooney will only cost what Valencia and Niasse do. Wasting money slightly worse than before isn't good business
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Lxxx on April 01, 2017, 05:14:02 AM
Well we've improved for nothing but it says nowt to the value of either player

Liverpool swapped Torres for Carroll and 15m. Are we suggesting that says something to carrolls value?

Getting a fantastic deal on gueye doesn't negate losing money elsewhere

Keep seeing rooney will only cost what Valencia and Niasse do. Wasting money slightly worse than before isn't good business

Why do you keep bringing up random comparisons?

It's really not that difficult to comprehend is it? Within 6 months of each other we bought one excellent midfielder and sold another poor one for roughly the same price. Squad improved and we broke even.

Whether we could have got more for Cleverley or could have paid more for Gueye is irrelevant. It is what it is.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Ridge on April 01, 2017, 06:06:22 AM
Well we've improved for nothing but it says nowt to the value of either player

Liverpool swapped Torres for Carroll and 15m. Are we suggesting that says something to carrolls value?

Getting a fantastic deal on gueye doesn't negate losing money elsewhere

Keep seeing rooney will only cost what Valencia and Niasse do. Wasting money slightly worse than before isn't good business

Circumstances dictate fees, we nearly paid 35m for Sissoko and ended up paying 24m for Schneiderlin. With Cleverley, only Watford were seemingly interested so 6m seems fair. With Gueye we activated his relegation release clause at 7.5m.

We made a 6m profit on Cleverley and Gueye looks a snip at 7.5m, so both were good deals for the club.

Valencia hasn't set the world on fire, but he wasn't first pick, it was getting late and the disco was about to close. Think Rooney will cost very little if anything in terms of fee. He might want a sizeable amount of wages, but we could probably flog him to China for 50m if it doesn't work out.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 01, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
Why do you keep bringing up random comparisons?

It's really not that difficult to comprehend is it? Within 6 months of each other we bought one excellent midfielder and sold another poor one for roughly the same price. Squad improved and we broke even.

Whether we could have got more for Cleverley or could have paid more for Gueye is irrelevant. It is what it is.


It's a thread on cleverley and we are discussing his price. It's surely the only thing relevant in here? Gueye is what's irrelevant in the cleverley signing for Watford thread unless I'm missing the point of the titles to these things
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Lxxx on April 01, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
It's a thread on cleverley and we are discussing his price. It's surely the only thing relevant in here? Gueye is what's irrelevant in the cleverley signing for Watford thread unless I'm missing the point of the titles to these things

Whatever mate. Enjoy the game.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on April 01, 2017, 03:25:10 PM
Whatever mate. Enjoy the game.

You too
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: efcforlife on April 01, 2017, 03:48:06 PM
Wow people really are fucking stupid.

How lucky you struck on a deal doesn't set the value of a player.

What the fuck has Gueye got to do with Toms value?

For a player of similar ability and experience 6m is not the going rate in today's market.

It's fucking simple to understand
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Bluedylan on April 01, 2017, 03:54:04 PM
Lads, who gives a fuck really? We've got shut of a distinctly average player and got a bit of wedge from it. Let's crack on and look forward to having better players.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Robioto on April 01, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
Lads, who gives a fuck really? We've got shut of a distinctly average player and got a bit of wedge from it. Let's crack on and look forward to having better players.

Exactly, this thread has spiralled into nonsense now.
Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: Toddacelli on April 01, 2017, 11:32:59 PM
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Title: Re: [News]Cleverley set to seal permanent move to Watford after international break
Post by: montanatoffeefan on April 02, 2017, 07:23:41 PM
Am I the only one that thought this is a bit cheap? Granted hes not Messi but 6 million for a 27 year old player with England caps seems very cheap to me?

Did you miss the games he played at Everton?