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Title: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sharky on November 27, 2011, 11:37:52 PM
Formations, team news and predictions please kids:

Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Coleman Rodwell Fellaini Bilyaletdinov
Cahill
Vellios

2-1 Rodwell and Cahill for us and Crouch for them.
Title: Re: Yes Its That Time of Year Again, Its The: Everton v Stoke City Official Thread
Post by: efcraz on November 27, 2011, 11:46:24 PM
sunday afternoon as well absolute gruler!!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2011, 12:23:27 AM
Stoke are awful away from home but always seem to put on a decent performance against us. 1-1 Coleman for us one of their defenders for them.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blargins on November 28, 2011, 01:14:32 AM
Howard

Coleman Jags Heitinga Baines

Bily Rodwell Fellaini Drenthe

Vellios Saha

Please.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: keiko on November 28, 2011, 01:23:30 AM
4-0
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: efcraz on November 28, 2011, 01:50:51 AM
Howard

Coleman Jags Heitinga Baines

Bily Rodwell Fellaini Drenthe

Vellios Saha

Please.

unless pigs start to fly at some point this week, no chance!!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: JoeHart on November 28, 2011, 02:04:39 AM
you know he wont drop saha despite saha clearly lacking a yard of pace.

i would be tempted to drop cahill and play vellios, you dont beat stoke by trying to match them in the air, nor do you need to worry about stiffling the central midfield as its the weakest part odf their team.
But pace to run in behind vs an ageing upson would be ideal.

Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Verm on November 28, 2011, 04:03:25 AM
They've lost every game this season that has followed a EL game.

If we step up the performance from yesterday I'll go for a 2-1 win.

Play like yesterday and I'll say 1-0 loss.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 28, 2011, 06:40:51 AM
Going to get a ticket for this.  Will be an emotional one for obvious reasons.

3-0 to us.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Poynty77 on November 28, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
Need Distin to have Distin back for this game!!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 28, 2011, 04:36:18 PM
If Drenthe is back fit he should be in the team, but I think Moyes will stick with Bily in there and go unchanged.  Half time most people will be fully aware that either Osman, Bily or Saha should come off and as soon as Drenthe and Vellios are on we will turn the screw and get a late double for a 2-0 win.  The magic men off the bench Drenthe and Vellios with the goals.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 28, 2011, 04:46:28 PM
An early goal would be great as Verm has said they have struggled off the back of european games

2 0 Saha and Bily
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on November 28, 2011, 04:52:03 PM

                              Howard
      Hibbert    Jagielka           Distin    Baines
                      Fellaini         Rodwell
      Coleman              Cahill              Drenthe
                                Vellios

6 NIL

Coleman, baines, rodwell, vellios, drenthe x2

     
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Confucius on November 28, 2011, 11:52:23 PM
Need Distin to have Distin back for this game!!!!

Fantastic observation. 100% agree. We also need to score a goal to score a goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: billbones80 on November 29, 2011, 07:13:16 AM
3-1 to the blue boys.Stoke are terrible away from home their only real threat is ariel and we have the Cbs to deal with that!

Would love to see Gueye and or Strac(if any game is gonna suit him it's gotta be this one)get some minutes at the end.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Silas on November 29, 2011, 08:21:27 PM
I think the atmosphere will be intense and we will up our game.  A comfortable 2-0 win.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: howard1334 on November 29, 2011, 10:08:17 PM
Howard

Coleman Jags Heitinga Baines

Bily Rodwell Fellaini Drenthe

Vellios Saha

Please.

I love this lineup, but would swap Drenthe and Bily. Drenthe is more dangerous on the left and Bily is better suited to playing with Baines because he drifts inside allowing Baines to overlap. Same thing with Drenthe and Coleman. Drenthe cutting in allows coleman to overlap. This runs the risk of over congesting the middle of the park, however we seem to be not getting enough people into the box on crosses anyways, so filling the middle may not be a bad thing after all. In the end though, we have no chance of seeing this lineup. O well.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: RICH on November 30, 2011, 03:17:54 AM
4-0
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: the doc on November 30, 2011, 07:44:22 AM
I think the atmosphere will be intense and we will up our game.  A comfortable 2-0 win.
I really hope the fans and the team are up for this one! Gary Speed played for a few teams, but at the end of the day he was an Evertonion as a fan and was proud to be our captain! We have been flat all season, If we can't raise our game this week I give up, 3-1 to us and Cahill to get 2!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Straq attack on November 30, 2011, 09:16:17 PM
3-1 to the blue boys.Stoke are terrible away from home their only real threat is ariel and we have the Cbs to deal with that!

Would love to see Gueye and or Strac(if any game is gonna suit him it's gotta be this one)get some minutes at the end.

I agree completely - looking at this cold, the stoke game would be one where both Straq and Vellios up front together could work really well - looked dangerous when they were both on towards the end of the wigan game.  Given we seem to only play long balls anyway, why fight it - would rather these two fighting for it than Saha and Cahill (despite both still being great in the air).

However, wanting to see 2 out-and-out strikers start a game this season for us is a dream I have long since given up on...
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 30, 2011, 09:28:19 PM
I would love to see us start with 2 up front against these, Bolton beat them at home 5-0, with the 2 big fellas Straq and Vellios up there we would tear these apart! I would well be up for seeing your user name 'Straq Attack' given a go!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blargins on November 30, 2011, 09:47:01 PM
I love this lineup, but would swap Drenthe and Bily. Drenthe is more dangerous on the left and Bily is better suited to playing with Baines because he drifts inside allowing Baines to overlap. Same thing with Drenthe and Coleman. Drenthe cutting in allows coleman to overlap. This runs the risk of over congesting the middle of the park, however we seem to be not getting enough people into the box on crosses anyways, so filling the middle may not be a bad thing after all. In the end though, we have no chance of seeing this lineup. O well.

The only issue with that is it leaves our right hand side weak defensively as neither Coleman or Drenthe are great at the back.

Having said that, we're Everton and we dictate what we play, not the opposition. Or have I gone back 25 years?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: cantoffee on November 30, 2011, 09:52:21 PM
I have no idea why people want to play Vellios and Strac against Stoke. Are we trying to play the game they want to play? I'm fine with one of Vellios or Cahill to batter and battle their CBs but even though I think Saha is dangerously out of form he'd do well turning and running at them.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: plumber on November 30, 2011, 11:39:36 PM
I have no idea why people want to play Vellios and Strac against Stoke. Are we trying to play the game they want to play? I'm fine with one of Vellios or Cahill to batter and battle their CBs but even though I think Saha is dangerously out of form he'd do well turning and running at them.
Agree.
We don't need to emulate Stoke to beat them. We are still better than those lumberjacks.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 30, 2011, 11:45:12 PM
Agree.
We don't need to emulate Stoke to beat them. We are still better than those lumberjacks.

Still do you think we are going to play a free flowing passing game against them or do you expect to see Jags hoofing a lot of long balls? I hope I'm wrong but I can see us playing long ball, and if we do that I would rather have someone up their with a fighting chance of winning one of those long balls.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: TheRam on November 30, 2011, 11:55:03 PM
Stoke are shit
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: plumber on December 01, 2011, 12:54:53 AM
Still do you think we are going to play a free flowing passing game against them or do you expect to see Jags hoofing a lot of long balls? I hope I'm wrong but I can see us playing long ball, and if we do that I would rather have someone up their with a fighting chance of winning one of those long balls.

We are not the same since Arteta and Pienaar left, but with Baines, Drenthe, Osman  we are still capable of playing something similar to football betweentimes.
I think we have no chance if we play long balls against Stoke anyway and Stracq is not the answer.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 01, 2011, 01:43:52 AM
We are not the same since Arteta and Pienaar left, but with Baines, Drenthe, Osman  we are still capable of playing something similar to football betweentimes.
I think we have no chance if we play long balls against Stoke anyway and Stracq is not the answer.


I agree that I wouldn't wanna see us play that way, just saying if we did resort to long balls like we seem to have done quite a bit this season, I'd fancy our chances more if we had 2 big fellas with aerial ability rather than a low on confidence Saha. Hopefully we do try and play some proper football against them cos they are a bunch of yard dogs.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: American Evertonian on December 01, 2011, 10:14:02 AM
Howard

Coleman Jags Heitinga Baines

Bily Rodwell Fellaini Drenthe

Vellios Saha

Please.

You read my mind Blargs. I would love to see this although I'd be amazed if Moyes actually did it. I think Moyes should give the 4-4-2 a go at least once. Our 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players too much.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueski on December 01, 2011, 06:33:44 PM
Lets hope we get Rodwell and Drenthe back for this one, if we do it theoretically should be easy goings against this lot
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GLewis on December 01, 2011, 07:48:19 PM
You read my mind Blargs. I would love to see this although I'd be amazed if Moyes actually did it. I think Moyes should give the 4-4-2 a go at least once. Our 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit our players too much.

We do play 4-4-2; it's just Cahill is one of the 2.

He's often further forward than Saha.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GLewis on December 01, 2011, 07:52:51 PM
I agree that I wouldn't wanna see us play that way, just saying if we did resort to long balls like we seem to have done quite a bit this season, I'd fancy our chances more if we had 2 big fellas with aerial ability rather than a low on confidence Saha. Hopefully we do try and play some proper football against them cos they are a bunch of yard dogs.

I don't think Stoke have bigger players at the back than most other teams to be honest, their CBs are pretty much standard size for the PL. So I wouldn't see any long balls being any more futile than against anyone else, certainly not to consider Straq ahead of either Cahill or Saha. Nor Vellios for that matter given how he did against Hangeland.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: American Evertonian on December 01, 2011, 08:34:36 PM
We do play 4-4-2; it's just Cahill is one of the 2.

He's often further forward than Saha.

To me it seems it is more a 4-4-1-1 or when Cahill does drop back a 4-2-3-1. Granted I could very well be wrong as I have a relatively young football mind. I will agree that in the last two matches it is Saha who has dropped back more than Cahill. We have gotten 2 wins in the last 2 with that formation so I can't argue with the results.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GLewis on December 01, 2011, 10:25:03 PM
To me it seems it is more a 4-4-1-1 or when Cahill does drop back a 4-2-3-1. Granted I could very well be wrong as I have a relatively young football mind. I will agree that in the last two matches it is Saha who has dropped back more than Cahill. We have gotten 2 wins in the last 2 with that formation so I can't argue with the results.

Well, you're right in that one of them usually drops off, either Saha to get the ball or Cahill when we are defending.

But that would happen if we had 2 (in name) strikers playing, or at least it should do. That's just natural movement of the team during a game.

Otherwise, if the listed formation was based on where players go during a game we'd be playing 3-5-2 or 3-6-1 given how much time Baines is in the opposition half.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: American Evertonian on December 02, 2011, 01:39:56 AM
All fair points. In all reality I would like to see us with 2 actual strikers on the pitch. I do love Cahill, but he is not a striker although he might as well be with how much Moyes plays him up there.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Optimistic Blue on December 02, 2011, 01:41:59 AM
I think Stoke are badly shite to be honest

This is the perfect game for the Stracq to get his form running

4-0, 3 in a row, onward and upward
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Big Al on December 02, 2011, 03:20:46 AM
This is the perfect game for the Stracq to get his form running

I think you need to change your name to Off my head on crack blue with that statement   :snigger:,
seriously wish it was but he's just not good enough im afraid ! 
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: billbones80 on December 02, 2011, 05:00:27 AM
I don't think we've seen enough to know whether he's good enough or not.I'd like to see him get some mins.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blargins on December 02, 2011, 05:49:09 AM
All fair points. In all reality I would like to see us with 2 actual strikers on the pitch. I do love Cahill, but he is not a striker although he might as well be with how much Moyes plays him up there.

I think that has completely nullified him.

As an attacking midfielder his goal scoring ratio was good. As a striker, it's mediocre.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Silas on December 02, 2011, 02:30:02 PM
I think that has completely nullified him.

As an attacking midfielder his goal scoring ratio was good. As a striker, it's mediocre.

He has to lead the line with Saha in the team as Saha does so little attacking the ball or defenders.  His game is off because he can't arrive in the box late.  When Vellios plays he is the most advanced man, even just this is enough for me to think Saha and Cahill shouldn't be playing together.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: nomorechang on December 02, 2011, 03:31:42 PM
A lot of Cahill's goals have come from set pieces ie crosses from free kicks and corners which in all honesty it doesnt matter what position he's chosen to play in .His goal drought has been from when he returned injured from the Asian cup tournament . I would not be surprised to see Landon given the " 2nd striker " job in January and Cahill being used more as an impact sub which I think would suit him much better . The 'impact ' he made when coming on against City at home last season actually changed the game and I think the last thing tiring defenders want to see in the last 20 minutes of a game is a nemesis like Tim C warming up to torment them .
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: American Evertonian on December 02, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
Donovan is no striker. He will do no better at that role than Cahill. Donovan is a winger. I am so confused as to why so many people on this forum want to play him as a forward/striker. The solution to our problem is as someone stated earlier, if you want Cahill to play better we need Velios in to hold the line.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: nomorechang on December 03, 2011, 01:47:55 AM
Donovan is no striker. He will do no better at that role than Cahill. Donovan is a winger. I am so confused as to why so many people on this forum want to play him as a forward/striker. The solution to our problem is as someone stated earlier, if you want Cahill to play better we need Velios in to hold the line.
Doesnt really matter , Cahill is not a striker , both him and Donovan are goalscorers and at the moment Cahill has not been scoring goals , Donovan has . Its a trait of players that Moyes signs , they have to be adaptable and versatile and If Moyes thinks he can do a better job than Tim C then he'll use him in that role
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: TheRam on December 03, 2011, 04:57:53 AM
If we start Vellios upfront with Saha we will win 3-0.

If he goes with Cahill and Saha upfront then 0-0 bore draw.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 03, 2011, 05:17:00 AM
If we start Vellios upfront with Saha we will win 3-0.

If he goes with Cahill and Saha upfront then 0-0 bore draw.
Why does  every one pick saha as first choice up front? hes had his chances and not taken them.Shoundnt vellios start up front with timmy .I hope rodwell is fit again  and billy instead of osman well good for 3-0 win.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: nomorechang on December 03, 2011, 05:42:31 AM
If we start Vellios upfront with Saha we will win 3-0.

If he goes with Cahill and Saha upfront then 0-0 bore draw.

Of course we will , I'll go to the bookies right away 
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: JoeHart on December 03, 2011, 01:51:10 PM
My 15 quid adult ticket has arrived via work.

its upper bullens in the away end so im presuming stoke have only been given the lower bullens.

Last year everton sold tickets to 8 games for 15

Stoke this sunday is the first one this year im aware of.

does make a mockery of the saving season tickets get, in the end your only buying in advance to guarantee a seat.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: christiffa25 on December 03, 2011, 03:08:55 PM
Saha is our only proven striker!

Vellios as proven at fulham is not ready for starting games. I think the stats show impact sub is his best possition at the mo. He's coming on and scoring... It works!!

Saha and Cahill do NOT work. They both drop off. But tbh we have no real other options at the mo! I don't think we need to see much more of straq to see he is shit!

Personally I would play Saha up top on his own (not his best possition) and play a Barkley, Billy, Osman type off him. NOT Cahill. Or you play vellios up top ( even tho not ready) and Saha or Cahill off him.

It's a dilemma were in by being skint and not having the required players. Not really Saha's or cahill's or moyes fault IMO.
Hopefully January will change this !
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: christiffa25 on December 03, 2011, 03:12:56 PM
Anyways I would go...

               Howard
Hibbert jags heitinga Baines
           Fellani Rodwell
Coleman    Osman   Drenthe
                  Saha


Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: nomorechang on December 03, 2011, 06:07:25 PM
My £15 quid adult ticket has arrived via work.

its upper bullens in the away end so im presuming stoke have only been given the lower bullens.

Last year everton sold tickets to 8 games for £15

Stoke this sunday is the first one this year im aware of.

does make a mockery of the saving season tickets get, in the end your only buying in advance to guarantee a seat.

They are also doing a deal for the Swansea ,Norwich games , buy one get the other half price, £46 for 2 games
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: montanatoffeefan on December 03, 2011, 08:53:46 PM
Why does  every one pick saha as first choice up front? hes had his chances and not taken them.Shoundnt vellios start up front with timmy .I hope rodwell is fit again  and billy instead of osman well good for 3-0 win.

Don't know the words "should" or "shouldn't" have much place in sentences about who Moyes plays upfront. He doesn't have enough in the way of options to get into ideals. It's pretty much always a patch job with whatever materials are available.

And Moyes sees Velios in training every day, so if he's not starting him, it's likely because he's just not ready for a full 90. Remember when people were crowing for Beckford to start, and what happened (and didn't happen) when he did?

Moyes has a good track record in recent years in bringing on a second striker later in the game like Vaughan, AJ, and Beckford to change the game and grab a goal. Could be Velios will fill that role most of this season. Considering where he was a year and a half ago, it still qualifies as an astonishing leap for him.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: keverton1971 on December 03, 2011, 09:12:18 PM
any streams?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on December 03, 2011, 09:15:54 PM
any streams?
probably will be tomorrow ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: keverton1971 on December 03, 2011, 09:34:48 PM
ha ha ha ooops! lol
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: cantoffee on December 03, 2011, 11:49:25 PM
Any word on Rodwell and/or Drenthe?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: mickhazon on December 03, 2011, 11:59:28 PM
royston is out according to podcast, rodders and nev and distin ok


My team
howard
baines
jags
johnny
neville
barkley
rodders
felly
coleman
velly
denis

fuck cahill and saha try the big young lads
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Fynci on December 04, 2011, 12:54:58 AM
I'm totally bemused why some posters here are desperate for Denis to start a game. The fact that he is seriously overlooked, and Moyes interview when he first came tells you everything you need to know.

If Drente isn't back then I'm guessing Billy will get another shot, other than that I'd agree with what christiffa25 suggests.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: New Free Transfer Signing on December 04, 2011, 03:17:37 AM
What did Moyes say in his interview, Fynci? Don't remember it. Anyway, Sitting in top balcony for 1st time tommorow, and I am going for 2-0, Cahill and Vellios
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 05:10:57 AM
If rodwell plays tommorow and billy still in ill go for that, pinch a point of arsenal  next week, then norwich,swansea and sunderland that should be 9 points ,it should  be a good new year.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: pjk on December 04, 2011, 06:59:11 PM
If rodwell plays tommorow and billy still in ill go for that, pinch a point of arsenal  next week, then norwich,swansea and sunderland that should be 9 points ,it should  be a good new year.



Ahh. Now would'nt that be nice!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on December 04, 2011, 07:37:17 PM
Our record against them reads played 118 lost 30 won 58 drawn 30. Goals for 207 against 124.

Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Thom on December 04, 2011, 08:07:32 PM
Vellios in for Saha as the only change to the starting eleven. Neville, Rodwell and Distin on bench. Drenthe still out and Saha not in the 18 man squad either.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on December 04, 2011, 08:11:14 PM
vellios might get the full 90 then

Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Heitinga, Jagielka, Fellaini, Osman, Bilyaletdinov, Coleman, Cahill, Vellios. Subs: Mucha, Neville, Rodwell, Distin, Stracqualursi, Gueye, Barkley.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: sam of the south on December 04, 2011, 08:25:38 PM
Saha injured? First I've heard. Maybe it's a hissy fit.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: keiko on December 04, 2011, 08:36:14 PM
COYB. Do well vellios !! 4-0 !  :badum:
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueski on December 04, 2011, 08:38:32 PM
Rodwell must not be fully fit, too bad
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Ridge on December 04, 2011, 08:54:56 PM
Big chance for Tolos.

I'll go for 2-0, Jagielka and Vellios.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on December 04, 2011, 08:55:40 PM
http://www.via--sat.info/2011/10/channel-1.html (http://www.via--sat.info/2011/10/channel-1.html) not sure whether english commentary
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Risky on December 04, 2011, 08:59:02 PM
sop://broker1.sopcast.com:3912/6816

It's on Yes in english and good, stable picture so far.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
first row live sports goodstream
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 04, 2011, 09:03:42 PM
that was so emotional. his dad  :'( come on Everton lets win for him
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Ridge on December 04, 2011, 09:13:44 PM
Has Hibbert scored yet?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blargins on December 04, 2011, 09:14:16 PM
Bily's played some nice passes so far.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: slothzen on December 04, 2011, 09:14:33 PM
billy billy boy...come on now.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 09:16:07 PM
Bily is 100% brilliance.... until that last touch  :eh:
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 09:17:42 PM
You're joking, right?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 09:18:21 PM
Why always Huth?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: slothzen on December 04, 2011, 09:18:24 PM
Sickening.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: stirlingblue on December 04, 2011, 09:19:07 PM
Need an immediate reply, baines freekick...
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 04, 2011, 09:19:40 PM
shocking again
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 09:26:26 PM
jonny h is playing well
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 04, 2011, 09:28:05 PM
always go one down in first 25 minutes what is wrong with us
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueToffee on December 04, 2011, 09:30:01 PM
Billy lacking in confidence a bit, final ball needs to improve but he is more involved than Coleman on the right so far.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 09:30:42 PM
Billy lacking in confidence a bit, final ball needs to improve but he is more involved than Coleman on the right so far.

Colemans playing? Wow.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 04, 2011, 09:30:50 PM
2 up top please moyes
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Optimistic Blue on December 04, 2011, 09:31:02 PM
Fellaini just did it again!  :hail: :hail: :hail:
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 09:31:40 PM
Fellaini just did it again!  :hail: :hail: :hail:

Alright, who gets the gif for their signature?



Also, we cannot get a fucking call.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 04, 2011, 09:33:00 PM
Fellaini just did it again!  :hail: :hail: :hail:
i would rather him score again though
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueToffee on December 04, 2011, 09:34:15 PM
Better cross from Billy. Very disjointed at the moment though, I hope we can get something before Ht.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 09:35:08 PM
Alright, who gets the gif for their signature?



Also, we cannot get a fucking call.

^ Fucking This
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 09:37:18 PM
if you cut the stoke players arms off we might get a chance if the ref
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueToffee on December 04, 2011, 09:37:56 PM
Think we might see Strac before we are done today. It's going to be a long frustrating game though if we can't find a goal soon.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueToffee on December 04, 2011, 09:38:51 PM
Should have been 2 down there. Poor defending on the corner again.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 09:39:35 PM
Totally devoid of any ideas
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 09:40:37 PM
Team of crabs
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 04, 2011, 09:41:31 PM
absolutely no creativity absolute bore to watch again
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
absolutely no creativity absolute bore to watch again
The operative word is.. again
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 09:43:20 PM
I bet Tamworth are shitting themselves
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueToffee on December 04, 2011, 09:44:05 PM
Stoke too comfortable against the crosses. But it seems it is all we have to offer.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: RedWhiteandBLUE on December 04, 2011, 09:44:33 PM
did stoke buy lee mason a TV for christmas?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 09:45:52 PM
Stoke too comfortable against the crosses. But it seems it is all we have to offer.

Thats it, we cant create anything without a Baines cross being involved.  Theres no dynamism whatsoever. Why doesnt someone even try a shot from the central area?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on December 04, 2011, 09:46:01 PM
felli ihas been great, shame about the others.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 09:46:57 PM
the refs a tosser
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 04, 2011, 09:47:06 PM
i thought we might be up for this in gary speeds memory
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 09:47:11 PM
Fuck this ref
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 09:48:33 PM
Wow, this is Clattenburg / Liverpool levels of Ref fuckwittery.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Fynci on December 04, 2011, 09:49:45 PM
What did Moyes say in his interview, Fynci? Don't remember it. Anyway, Sitting in top balcony for 1st time tommorow, and I am going for 2-0, Cahill and Vellios

"There weren't an awful lot of centre-forwards out there we could get and he became available to us at the last minute.

"In the end it was nearly worth the gamble to see how he does. We've done it before with loan signings; some have worked and some haven't."

There have been other things which you can read between the lines. My impression is he was a last minute thing, he got here, they looked at him in training, and realised he wasn't up to it.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 09:51:17 PM
I can't see this match ending with 11 men on the pitch for both teams.


Frankly, I'd like to see Cahill and Coleman knock out Shawcross.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 04, 2011, 09:51:24 PM
1 effort on target says it all terrible
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on December 04, 2011, 09:51:25 PM
is every ref against us? ffs
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Fynci on December 04, 2011, 09:51:30 PM
How is that not a penalty?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Risky on December 04, 2011, 09:51:43 PM
Every time we play Stoke that cunt Shawcross is trying to provoke Fellaini in to getting sent off, he's horrid snide.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueToffee on December 04, 2011, 09:52:01 PM
Terrible Ref. Terrible half.

We can't keep crossing it in for them to head away. Get Barkley, Gueye and Strac on.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: keiko on December 04, 2011, 09:52:54 PM
is every ref against us? ffs

Like i said they do not give everton decisions!! I'm not paranoid, I feel it is very suspicious  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 09:52:55 PM
Yet another performance that starts off well for 10 mins and turns into total cack
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Thom on December 04, 2011, 09:53:01 PM
Stoke are just a team full of cheating grocks. Mason isn't helping matters either.

We need to try and play a bit more intricately. Get a couple of triangles going again and work the ball inbetween the lines. Not many in their team have pace and the times we've got the ball into space we've looked dangerous. There's no need to be panicky and pump it long just yet.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sprooly on December 04, 2011, 09:53:01 PM
we need to give them something different to think about
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 09:53:53 PM
we need to give them something different to think about
Like trying to play football
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 09:54:03 PM
Shocking refereeing. Seriously, there's no correlation between events on the pitch and the referee's whistle. We might get three penalties for nothing but equally we might have three players sent off, it's completely random.

Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Alex on December 04, 2011, 09:54:15 PM
I wouldnt mind seeing Barkley on for Osman. Someone willing to run at the stoke box from a central postion.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 09:54:41 PM
Why do I see weak as piss penalties been given to teams week in week out on MotD and yet our players have to be piledriven to even be in with a shout?

Horrible performance, horrible officiating, horrible opponents.

We arent going to get too much joy from our current gameplan with those defenders vs our strikers, if its in our capability we need to get a bit more canny here.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sprooly on December 04, 2011, 09:55:25 PM
Like trying to play football
weve actually played some really nice football, but its all down the left, which really only leads to crossing
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 09:56:07 PM
I had a family member who played for Stoke a long, long time back. I try my best to like them.

It's not working today.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 09:56:40 PM
no one having  shot outside of the box thats the only wayt beat these cheating bastards ,barkleys not afraid of doing that
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 09:56:41 PM
I wouldn't want to see Barkley in this game, if I'm honest with you. Those thugs would just kick him to bits, it's not worth it.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2011, 09:58:53 PM
Although Bily's been good I reckon if Drenthe was playing we'd be winning. He's got free on the left so many times and put in an early ball rather than running it in.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on December 04, 2011, 09:58:53 PM
What the fuck is that Greek cunt doing on the pitch, get him off!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: irishtoffee on December 04, 2011, 10:02:04 PM
we should have had a penalty for that tussle but we could have been 2 down only for shawcross/shotton missing a great chance. we struggle to create any chances. Terrible stuff but i think we can still win this
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Risky on December 04, 2011, 10:03:39 PM
We need a presence in the box, and if this isn't the game to give Stracq some playing time then there surely can't be any games that he's worth using in.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueToffee on December 04, 2011, 10:05:41 PM
Seriously think we should give Strac a chance. If we continue to hit it long (which we will) at least he has the physicality to match the defenders. Vellios/Cahill isn't exactly working either.

Although it is probably more likely we'll see Neville or Distin on (Heitinga moved to DM) and Fellaini pushed up.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: AidyEFC9 on December 04, 2011, 10:06:56 PM
Were keeping the ball but Ossie and Felli aren't dropping in deep enough to take it off the likes of Jags and Heitinga and they seem to be playing it between themselves a bit much. and when it does work its way into midfield, we've got no movement uptop as Vellios rightly either drops in or backs up against the CB to take the ball but we need Cahill to be the mover in and around Vellios so are midfield as a through ball on but he just isn't that type of player so were always just playing it wide, and mainly down the left.

Vellios is doing the right thing and being the target man and staying centrally and backing into Huth or Shawcross so that we can play into his feet but we need a mover in and around him so we can play a through ball instead of always being forced to play out wide.

Maybe Barkley or Gueye could play off Vellios but no doubt in second half Moyesy will take off Vellios and bring Rodders on and put Cahill upfront and Osman playing off of him. Against Stoke you need good movement in and around there defence as there all big and cumbersome and can deal with the likes of Cahill and Vellios as there not movers uptop, Stoke will take playing up against those two all day but get a little clever mover up there and they'll have some trouble!.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: AidyEFC9 on December 04, 2011, 10:09:51 PM
Btw, for me Felli as been are best player, always looking to go forward and drive on with the ball and in general we've played well but we need summat a bit different uptop, maybe someone like Barkley with clever feet and an eye for a pass, or Gueye with his pace?.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 10:10:53 PM
were never going to score in the air
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 10:13:04 PM
Bilyaletdinov is total shit
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 10:14:35 PM
his passins awful gets into space then nothing
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: djws1788 on December 04, 2011, 10:14:46 PM
fellaini is about to lose it out there.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 10:16:10 PM
 
fellaini is about to lose it out there.
He's in the right team then  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 10:16:49 PM
billy off dennis on
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 10:17:29 PM
billy off dennis on
Pity we can't have 8 subs
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 10:18:33 PM
This is absolutely dire
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: ally2 on December 04, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
Agree we either need to put Straq up there with some physical presence or otherwise continue as we are but playing about 50% quicker.  Too many touches for each player and too predictable.   
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: djws1788 on December 04, 2011, 10:21:13 PM
This is absolutely dire

your comments and this ref are dire.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 10:21:36 PM
Is there any way to request an inquiry into the refereeing of our matches?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 10:22:02 PM
Bring Rodwell and Gueye on in place of Bily and Osman
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 10:24:25 PM
At last one decent move..rodwell on, bilyaletdinov off
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Optimistic Blue on December 04, 2011, 10:27:41 PM
Looks sorensons knocked out sparko
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 10:28:51 PM
Not a foul unfortunately...

But more importantly, doesn't Sorenson have to come off if he receives medical attention? Jesus.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: stirlingblue on December 04, 2011, 10:30:32 PM
This is getting ridiculous, it's more wrestling than football.

Would kill to have dunc out there today
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 10:31:17 PM
You WWE fans, what is the name of that move Whitehead did to Hibbert?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 10:32:52 PM
this is a freaking joke cheating bastards
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Azz on December 04, 2011, 10:33:23 PM
Look who's coming on!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Optimistic Blue on December 04, 2011, 10:36:23 PM
Isnt he a nasty bastard! watch him score, im telling you now watch him score
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 10:36:32 PM
Whoever is commentating on my stream, I'll give them credit.


"I see why Vellios didn't go for it with his head, he was in a headlock!"
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: RedWhiteandBLUE on December 04, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
so.. not only is that not a penalty on vellios but he calls it the other way?? you gotta be fucking kidding me...
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: stirlingblue on December 04, 2011, 10:37:19 PM
How is that a foul!?

Huth had Tolos in a bear hug, no wonder he had to try with his feet!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: toffeeglas on December 04, 2011, 10:37:35 PM
Whoever is commentating on my stream, I'll give them credit.


"I see why Vellios didn't go for it with his head, he was in a headlock!"
It's Barry horne. This ref is having a shocker

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Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 10:37:58 PM
The referee is a total tosser
Title: Re: Re: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 10:39:07 PM
It's Barry horne. This ref is having a shocker

Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

Thanks. I quite like him now. Good to finally see a commentator completely annoyed about the calls against us.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: RedWhiteandBLUE on December 04, 2011, 10:40:34 PM
i give up.. i just don't know.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 10:40:37 PM
Sorry to double post, but how the fuck is that a call you miserable twat, how?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 10:41:13 PM
Thanks. I quite like him now. Good to finally see a commentator completely annoyed about the calls against us.
Even Stevie Wonder could see how awful this ref is
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: djws1788 on December 04, 2011, 10:42:11 PM
Sorry to double post, but how the fuck is that a call you miserable twat, how?

apparently standing your ground and winning the ball cleanly is a foul now.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Dublin Toffee on December 04, 2011, 10:42:35 PM
Gueye on for Hibbert
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 04, 2011, 10:42:55 PM
this is a joke. its almost funny
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: djws1788 on December 04, 2011, 10:44:49 PM
probably will somehow only get 2 minutes of stoppage time as well.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 10:45:30 PM
They should play the clown music over the highlight real.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: American Evertonian on December 04, 2011, 10:45:35 PM
I'm amazed we have 66% of possession and ten shots but none on goal. This is sad.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton.chris on December 04, 2011, 10:46:46 PM
I'm amazed we have 66% of possession and ten shots but none on goal. This is sad.
Says it all really
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: RICH on December 04, 2011, 10:47:37 PM
fucking woeful performance
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 10:49:31 PM
Walters goes down clutching his face and comes up holding his leg.


The referee is fucking blind.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Ad1989 on December 04, 2011, 10:50:04 PM
A goal down and only one man is in the box when Baines crossed it there  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Azz on December 04, 2011, 10:50:13 PM
Watched a little bit, but mainly listened to on the radio and from what I can tell it's just tactically all wrong.  Lumping balls into the box against Shawcross, Huth, Woodgate etc... no creative drive what so ever... just completely inept shite against a wall that is the Stoke back 5.

Our only creative player is a 17 year old kid, who's on the bench... 
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on December 04, 2011, 10:53:34 PM
should of had 5 pens.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: ally2 on December 04, 2011, 10:53:38 PM
Zero footbal played.  Total waste of the last 2hrs of my life
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 10:55:10 PM
god help us next week
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: trendo on December 04, 2011, 10:55:15 PM
what a shame.
...
poor performance. if we do not change smthg soon we will be in relegation battle... 
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Ad1989 on December 04, 2011, 10:56:37 PM
How was that not a free kick on Coleman?! Ref is awful.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: djws1788 on December 04, 2011, 10:56:50 PM
that was a free kick and a yellow. fuck off lee mason.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Fynci on December 04, 2011, 10:57:00 PM
should of had 5 pens.

...at least.

Lee Mason is a cheat.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on December 04, 2011, 10:57:20 PM
ref is reason we've lost
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2011, 10:57:48 PM
Walters goes down clutching his face and comes up holding his leg.


The referee is fucking blind.

You serious mate, Fellaini jumped up and stamped on Walters thigh. Was an accident but thats why Walters was holding his leg.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 10:58:32 PM
This is simply fucking atrocious. Shawcross is trying out for WWE, Stoke our putting in hideous challenges...

And Lee Mason is a twat of the highest order.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Thom on December 04, 2011, 10:58:53 PM
Lee Mason playing as their 12th man today. Absolute joke of a performance from him.

4th home loss of the season. Same old, same old.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Bally on December 04, 2011, 10:59:11 PM
fucking robbed by the ref like but we should not have to look at that for an excuse we were once again flat and we cannot break teams like stoke down fuckingh frustrating
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: efcforlife on December 04, 2011, 10:59:37 PM
You serious mate, Fellaini jumped up and stamped on Walters thigh. Was an accident but thats why Walters was holding his leg.

fuck off mate..

do you know Walters is a massive blue
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sprooly on December 04, 2011, 11:00:42 PM
raped by the ref,

we were awful, but the ref was fucking atrocious,
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: irishtoffee on December 04, 2011, 11:01:16 PM
Not a foul unfortunately...

But more importantly, doesn't Sorenson have to come off if he receives medical attention? Jesus.
doesn't apply to goalkeepers
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sheedys left foot on December 04, 2011, 11:02:04 PM
Wonder how many of those crosses Yak would've got on the end of ?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: blueToffee on December 04, 2011, 11:02:26 PM
I thought I'd seen some bad referees this season, but Lee Mason takes the cake.

We were devoid of ideas to break them down, as usual.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: RedWhiteandBLUE on December 04, 2011, 11:02:30 PM
its getting predictable...

a mistake at the back (in this case bad touch from baines) leads to either a direct goal or a set piece from which they score...

ref doesn't give us a fucking call all day

 lolol  i'm losing my mind
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Risky on December 04, 2011, 11:02:31 PM
The ref was a disgrace, but he wasn't the reason he lost.

Today's performance is exactly what myself and a few others were talking about after the Wolves game a fortnight ago, in saying that whilst we were happy to win there were the same worrying elements in our performance that on another day would have cost us.  And today that's exactly what happened.  Play fairly well, but barely creating a chance all game.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
You serious mate, Fellaini jumped up and stamped on Walters thigh. Was an accident but thats why Walters was holding his leg.

Camera didn't show any stamp for me.

Not denying that it happened, but when somebody goes down holding their face, you don't see a stamp, and they come up holding their leg it looks suspicious.

If there was a stamp then I'll admit, my bad.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 11:02:53 PM
Ignore this post. Server error caused a double post.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sprooly on December 04, 2011, 11:03:49 PM
we need drenthe back, and badly, he is a much better player then billy, and is really our only creative player,

people can have a go at the moyes style, but have a look at the players we have, gives him little options
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: jongre123 on December 04, 2011, 11:05:04 PM
The ref was a disgrace, but he wasn't the reason he lost.

Today's performance is exactly what myself and a few others were talking about after the Wolves game a fortnight ago, in saying that whilst we were happy to win there were the same worrying elements in our performance that on another day would have cost us.  And today that's exactly what happened.  Play fairly well, but barely creating a chance all game.

You can't say that though, on another day against a different team those crosses might have actually turned to goals. As the ref and stoke were being absolutely despicable cunts we weren't able to score from them.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Nicco on December 04, 2011, 11:05:31 PM
"I see why Vellios didn't go for it with his head, he was in a headlock!"

This just epitomize the game for me! We were not good but...

Stoke was actually worse, somebody said earlier that commentators had been calling them  more of a rugby team than a fooballing one... And I have to agree, they were thugs and having a ref like Lee Mason certainly helps them out!
Hating them with passion and hope they are going down!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: ilikebrunettes on December 04, 2011, 11:05:35 PM
Camera didn't show any stamp for me.

Not denying that it happened, but when somebody goes down holding their face, you don't see a stamp, and they come up holding their leg it looks suspicious.

If there was a stamp then I'll admit, my bad.

when fellaini jumped.. he caught him with his studs. Its pretty simple
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: keiko on December 04, 2011, 11:06:02 PM
it's so  poor.. so clueless and no ideas for attacking, vellios had not a good pass at all. it is very predictable tactics.

what is the ref?? a cheat?? or just very bad, i dont know, he seems to enjoy giving stoke every 50/50 all day.

man, i am sad right now, i cannot believe we are so bad today, i thought we would win, but it is terrible... what is this tactics of 1 stiker in box and longball ?

i'm so sad !!!  ???
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: NomadskiEFC on December 04, 2011, 11:06:43 PM
Im not sure which was worse, our performance, or the officiating.

Both uttely inept. That Mason guy isnt fit to ref a fucking dominoes match.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 11:07:36 PM
when fellaini jumped.. he caught him with his studs. Its pretty simple

Sounds good. I didn't see it.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Risky on December 04, 2011, 11:07:54 PM
You can't say that though, on another day against a different team those crosses might have actually turned to goals. As the ref and stoke were being absolutely despicable cunts we weren't able to score from them.

Well they might have done, but the fact is we didn't look like scoring all game and I don't want to ignore the issues we have as a team and hide behind blaming the ref instead.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2011, 11:07:58 PM
You can't say that though, on another day against a different team those crosses might have actually turned to goals. As the ref and stoke were being absolutely despicable cunts we weren't able to score from them.

Everton were shit mate, no creativity at all. Your saying on another day those crosses might have gone in and yes they would have but on a day when it isn't working aren't you meant to have a plan B?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Bwana on December 04, 2011, 11:09:45 PM
You can't say that though, on another day against a different team those crosses might have actually turned to goals. As the ref and stoke were being absolutely despicable cunts we weren't able to score from them.

This. No matter how many crosses, even good-ones, you drill to the area if opposing defenders are allowed to do anything.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: kunal32 on December 04, 2011, 11:10:16 PM
Pile of shite! Embarrasing not even a single shot on goal or causing their keeper to make a save of any note. Still we'll finish 7th or 8th no doubt, we are the best of the dreggs along with 12 other teams in the division. The gap between the top 6 and the rest will only widen further.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Fynci on December 04, 2011, 11:11:14 PM
Stoke defended well. Everton attacked poorly.

Regardless of the result, we were never going to get anything from the game. The officials wouldn't allow it.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: djws1788 on December 04, 2011, 11:11:37 PM
Well they might have done, but the fact is we didn't look like scoring all game and I don't want to ignore the issues we have as a team and hide behind blaming the ref instead.

i hate blaming the ref as well. i agree, we should be looking to score from open play and not rely on free kicks. but the lack of a penalty from fellaini being bearhugged in the box cost us at least a point.

we really missed drenthe today. no right side made us even more predictable than usual.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Fynci on December 04, 2011, 11:12:14 PM
Stoke defended well. Everton attacked poorly.

Regardless of the result, we were never going to get anything from the game. The officials wouldn't allow it.

I should quickly add, that was when Stoke actually did defend well, and not when they were climbing, grappling and wrestling our lot.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Evertonexile on December 04, 2011, 11:13:17 PM
The referee didn't cost us the match. The inability to play the ball anywhere but the left wing until the last five minutes did. That said, the fact that we keep having these conversations about the quality of refereeing indicates a problem.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:14:10 PM
You might say we didn't create enough, but the reason we didn't create enough was dead simple: they were fouling our players almost every time the ball was crossed into the box.

Obviously you can't expect the referee to spot all of them, but there's only one word to describe a referee who fails to spot any of them: a cheat.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:15:45 PM
Pile of shite! Embarrasing not even a single shot on goal or causing their keeper to make a save of any note.

It's fairly hard to get shots on goal when you're being held, pushed or pulled every time the ball is coming towards you. I've lost count of the penalties we should've been given at eight.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Shogun on December 04, 2011, 11:16:37 PM
should have had more than 1 pen, lost by 1 goal but the ref didnt cost us the match?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Risky on December 04, 2011, 11:16:58 PM
You might say we didn't create enough, but the reason we didn't create enough was dead simple: they were fouling our players almost every time the ball was crossed into the box.

Obviously you can't expect the referee to spot all of them, but there's only one word to describe a referee who fails to spot any of them: a cheat.

All well and good until you consider that for about 2 years now we just haven't been creating chances, and that's been a major problem for us.  The referee was shockingly bad and may well have cost us opportunities, but outside of that we were suffering from the exact same lack of creativity and ideas that we have been for a long long time.  I'm more concerned about that than a cunt of a ref.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: kunal32 on December 04, 2011, 11:17:55 PM
It's fairly hard to get shots on goal when you're being held, pushed or pulled every time the ball is coming towards you. I've lost count of the penalties we should've been given at eight.

Stop fucking making excuses about refs costing us the game. This is stoke city we're talking about not man.city.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sheedys left foot on December 04, 2011, 11:18:18 PM
Dont think any ref would cheat, just very inept  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Fynci on December 04, 2011, 11:19:04 PM
Stop fucking making excuses about refs costing us the game. This is stoke city we're talking about not man.city.

I counted that we should have had 5 penalties, someone else has said 8. If you're 1 down, and have between 5-8 penalties then I think you can assume we'd score at least a couple.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: JoeHart on December 04, 2011, 11:19:49 PM
why no rendition of 'oh davey moyes'?

The tactical genius strikes again.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: kunal32 on December 04, 2011, 11:20:42 PM
Might be an idea if the team could put the ball in the back of the net by actually playing football rather than looking for pens and the assistance from refs every bleeding time. We are rubbish end of!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: jongre123 on December 04, 2011, 11:21:58 PM
Might be an idea if the team could put the ball in the back of the net by actually playing football rather than looking for pens and the assistance from refs every bleeding time. We are rubbish end of!

How do we play football, when the other team is playing rugby?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:23:39 PM
All well and good until you consider that for about 2 years now we just haven't been creating chances, and that's been a major problem for us.

But that's just not true. We have trouble converting our chances but we always had plenty of them until this season. Now it's different, we lost far too many creative players and now we are indeed short of chances but we created plenty in the seasons before.

Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: JoeHart on December 04, 2011, 11:24:09 PM
should have had more than 1 pen, lost by 1 goal but the ref didnt cost us the match?

we where negative, predictable, boring and rubbish.
Thats why we lost.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 04, 2011, 11:24:45 PM
Stop fucking making excuses about refs costing us the game. This is stoke city we're talking about not man.city.
spot on. we were so predictable ,we were never going to score in the air, picked off like flys never saw anyone have go from outside  of the box.Got to change before next week or well get stuffed. ps fellani motm
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: AidyEFC9 on December 04, 2011, 11:25:00 PM
Ref was fucking useless today and helped Stoke out. Some of the bear hugging and missed fouls was a joke. But if you haven't got anything about you, no guile or creativity in the final third then ya never will win games!

It's alright having possesion and playing infront of Stoke but if you don't have anyone moving or looking to go beyond the strikers and inbetween CB and FB so that we can penetrate there defence with a through ball than we've got no hope at all!.

Moyesy talks about us being a 15-20 goal getter short of being a decent side and to me that's just a load of bollox!. Yeah they help but we need more creativity in central midfield and wide right so we can actually create chances for the likes of our strikers and Cahill or whoever else plays up there!. Maybe are strikers would score goals if we created good goalscoring opportunities for em but we don't have anyone who can thread a ball or are final ball is shit more often than not!.

And we need some pace and movement in the team aswell, if you haven't got the movement in the final third and ahead of the ball, then you haven't got that opportunity to thread a ball through. I can probs count on one hand the amount of times we've put through are striker one on one with the opposition keeper, it just hardly ever happens.

And same at defending corners or FK's, nobody is willing to break a neck to break out from the back and strike up a counter attack. Coleman at one point ran out from back down left and 7 Stoke players got back in there own half and only one of are players got forward of some sorts to support Coleman or give him an option, it's fucking terrible!.

With no pace or movement from our side we will never create good enough or enough chances to win and kill off teams. We'll end up getting by with goals from set plays or penalties which is very rare we score from set plays these days or get penalties!.

And another thing that is fucking me off is Moyesies subs, there made too late and he makes the wrong choices for me. Yeah Bily should of come off but for Rodwell?. Why not bring Gueye on earlier for Bily or bring Barkley on who is direct and runs with the ball and can pick a pass and maybe unlock Stokes defence?. And why take Vellios off when we was losing 1 nil at home with 20 plus mins to go, why not keep him on and put Stracq on aswell and have 2 out-an-out strikers on that we can aim for in the box when crossing, could of even took Bily off for Stracq and had 3 aerial threats on upfront in Cahill, Vellios and Stracq.

Very disappointing afternoon. In Jan we need to be looking at finding some creativity and pace in midfield somehow, find some one clever who can either unlock defences with defence splitting passes or someone with pace and a trick to beat a man and get good delivery in or shots off cos we'll be in a right struggle all season if we've to carry on with what we've got.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:25:04 PM
Might be an idea if the team could put the ball in the back of the net by actually playing football rather than looking for pens and the assistance from refs every bleeding time. We are rubbish end of!

You make it sound as if getting a penalty when our player is in a headlock was a favour or assistance on the referee's behalf. It isn't. It should be the fucking norm.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: kunal32 on December 04, 2011, 11:25:30 PM
Fucking hell, I really dispair!! We lost at home to fucking STOKE CITY....stop making excuses!! We are shite!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Risky on December 04, 2011, 11:26:17 PM
But that's just not true. We have trouble converting our chances but we always had plenty of them until this season. Now it's different, we lost far too many creative players and now we are indeed short of chances but we created plenty in the seasons before.



Even with Pienaar and Arteta I saw very few chances created.  Lots of pretty football, and then very little in the way of a final ball from anyone other than Baines, and not many chances as a result.  Tactically we are one dimensional and we have been for a while.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Wepull on December 04, 2011, 11:26:38 PM
I find it odd to say this because I support the team.. But what a boring game of Football that was!!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: sharpattack on December 04, 2011, 11:26:49 PM
How shit is Leon Osman?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: RedWhiteandBLUE on December 04, 2011, 11:26:54 PM
I really hope coleman starts shaping up as a right back and we can play drenthe as right mid, where he seems to give it his best, or if Landon comes back, landon on the right drenthe on the left.

and will cahill fucking score already or be dropped? if he isn't scoring his possession and passing don't warrant a place in the starting 11.  sometimes i feel like cahill is a curse.. he allows moyes to play 2 strikers without really playing 2 strikers...

Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:27:43 PM
Fucking hell, I really dispair!! We lost at home to fucking STOKE CITY....stop making excuses!! We are shite!

You seem to be a bit slow on the uptake, aren't you.

How many times do you need it to be spelt out that if they are allowed to foul anyone inside their box, it's fairly easy to defend well?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:28:51 PM
How shit is Leon Osman?

I don't know, you tell me.

He had a decent game, moved the ball around well.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 04, 2011, 11:29:33 PM
How shit is Leon Osman?

Today he was of the same standard as all of his team mates ,which was pretty shit.would be unfair to single him out,but then again that is your style isn't it?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Gash on December 04, 2011, 11:30:45 PM
But that's just not true. We have trouble converting our chances but we always had plenty of them until this season. Now it's different, we lost far too many creative players and now we are indeed short of chances but we created plenty in the seasons before.



I remember saying on the podcast I did last season that the game we were talking about could have been one of 15 previous games last season. All the same, plenty possesion but little or no creativity in the final third of the pitch. This hasn't suddenly become a problem since Arteta and Pienaar left.

Tamworth must be pissing themselves.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:31:33 PM
Even with Pienaar and Arteta I saw very few chances created.  Lots of pretty football, and then very little in the way of a final ball from anyone other than Baines, and not many chances as a result.  Tactically we are one dimensional and we have been for a while.

It's a bit pointless arguing about this now. I remember we had loads of chances in many games that we ended up drawing or losing, you don't. Short of looking at the footage of all the games last season it's impossible to decide.

I hope we agree though that we went backwards when we sold Pienaar, but even more so when we sold Arteta.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: kunal32 on December 04, 2011, 11:33:03 PM
You seem to be a bit slow on the uptake, aren't you.

How many times do you need it to be spelt out that if they are allowed to foul anyone inside their box, it's fairly easy to defend well?

No. I get the impression your making excuses for a performance which was diabolical - how about looking at the team, the managers selections, tactics, the general shite play of the team? We haven't lost that game soley based on the ref. The creativity is the refs responsibility is it??, the coaching isn't down to the ref is it?? Behave!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:33:55 PM
I remember saying on the podcast I did last season that the game we were talking about could have been one of 15 previous games last season. All the same, plenty possesion but little or no creativity in the final third of the pitch. This hasn't suddenly become a problem since Arteta and Pienaar left.

I remember everyone saying this, but I also remember that even at the time it seemed over the top. We fashioned five or six good openings regularly but rarely even took one of them.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Azz on December 04, 2011, 11:37:32 PM
In before Moyes says we lacked quality in the final 3rd.

In before Moyes says we were not clinical in front of goal.

In before Moyes doesn't come out and say he tactically fucked up by trying to fire balls into the box against 4 6 foot+ tall defenders and a keeper.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: JoeHart on December 04, 2011, 11:38:08 PM
How shit is Leon Osman?

same as he has been since day 1.
A crappy hanger on who offers very little.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: sharpattack on December 04, 2011, 11:38:50 PM
I don't know, you tell me.

He had a decent game, moved the ball around well.
Rubbish. Worst player in blue....again.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:40:58 PM
No. I get the impression your making excuses for a performance which was diabolical - how about looking at the team, the managers selections, tactics, the general shite play of the team? We haven't lost that game soley based on the ref. The creativity is the refs responsibility is it??, the coaching isn't down to the ref is it?? Behave!

I think it's the other way around, you 're just looking for excuses to say we were shit. Why you're so happy doing that eludes me, but you certainly seem to revel in it.

Anyway, I looked at the team: it was pretty much the best team we could field. Well, the only team to be fair.
The tactics, same. It was the best we could play with the squad we have.

Funnily enough the one thing that definitely is Moyes' fault and has been the most consistently worrying problem this season isn't mentioned: our inability to defend in the box. We used to be good at it but now as soon as the ball is lifted in the box, we're like a pub team.

This and the ref cost us the game.

Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Risky on December 04, 2011, 11:45:45 PM
It's a bit pointless arguing about this now. I remember we had loads of chances in many games that we ended up drawing or losing, you don't. Short of looking at the footage of all the games last season it's impossible to decide.

I hope we agree though that we went backwards when we sold Pienaar, but even more so when we sold Arteta.

Completely agree about that part.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: CarlosAlberto on December 04, 2011, 11:50:43 PM
If we signed a 15-20 goal a season striker, would Moyes change the tactics to accomodate him?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: kunal32 on December 04, 2011, 11:54:27 PM
I think it's the other way around, you 're just looking for excuses to say we were shit. Why you're so happy doing that eludes me, but you certainly seem to revel in it.

Anyway, I looked at the team: it was pretty much the best team we could field. Well, the only team to be fair.
The tactics, same. It was the best we could play with the squad we have.

Funnily enough the one thing that definitely is Moyes' fault and has been the most consistently worrying problem this season isn't mentioned: our inability to defend in the box. We used to be good at it but now as soon as the ball is lifted in the box, we're like a pub team.

This and the ref cost us the game.



So you were happy with that performance then? How can I be looking for excuses to say we were shit. The fact is we were and are shit. It's not an excuse. I'm not looking to blame refs etc, i'm looking at the fact we didn't muster a single shot on their goal/force there keeper into a single save, blaming the ref for not having a single shot on goal is not an excuse. How many hoofs were put into their box??? food and drink for their defenders. It's about time a number of fans started actually admitting we are shit and we're not as good as we should be, the manager and players are responsible for rather than pointing the finger elsewhere. The apathy and mediocrity at this club is something that some people are happy accepting these days!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 04, 2011, 11:54:40 PM
If we signed a 15-20 goal a season striker, would Moyes change the tactics to accomodate him?

Of course he would, we've been constantly changing our tactics over the years to accommodate people. Some were more successful than others, but we were changing things around all the time.

However, even if we did sign someone who can finish, we'd still have trouble getting the ball into him with our depleted midfield. We desperately need someone to replace Cahill as the hole player, otherwise our only option is to stick to crosses from out wide.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Bwana on December 05, 2011, 12:00:22 AM
No. I get the impression your making excuses for a performance which was diabolical - how about looking at the team, the managers selections, tactics, the general shite play of the team? We haven't lost that game soley based on the ref. The creativity is the refs responsibility is it??, the coaching isn't down to the ref is it?? Behave!

Does it matter how you score if you just score? I mean, the amount of crosses sent inside Stoke's box was enough to create at least 3-4 good scoring chances. For some reason no-one with a blue jersey couldn't get those balls... IF the ref would've whistled according the rules we should've had at least 3 spotkicks.

There is also a truth behind the "for this kind of situations we should have plan B"-approach. The thing with this is though that today, with "normal" refereeing, plan A would've been enough.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluegrant on December 05, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Like the chance today when hettinga came running through from nowhere for a cross wasnt picked up had a good chance,thats what we should see more often.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: stirlingblue on December 05, 2011, 12:01:35 AM
I'm gonna try and find something positive:

Gueye looked good when he came on, showed some creativity and nice touches.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: philly on December 05, 2011, 12:20:40 AM
I'm gonna try and find something positive:

Gueye looked good when he came on, showed some creativity and nice touches.

May have been able to make more of an impact playing on the correct side too!
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Gash on December 05, 2011, 12:29:52 AM
I remember everyone saying this,

Thank god everyone was wrong and you were right.  ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: CarlosAlberto on December 05, 2011, 12:30:40 AM
Of course he would, we've been constantly changing our tactics over the years to accommodate people. Some were more successful than others, but we were changing things around all the time.

However, even if we did sign someone who can finish, we'd still have trouble getting the ball into him with our depleted midfield. We desperately need someone to replace Cahill as the hole player, otherwise our only option is to stick to crosses from out wide.

Sorry, you manage to put into words what I failed to do. :)
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 05, 2011, 12:42:07 AM
Thank god everyone was wrong and you were right.  ;)

It wouldn't be the first time it happened. :)

What constitutes a chance isn't very strictly defined, some only look at shots on target but I don't subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions) to it. Some chances don't even result in shots, and many shots on target aren't chances. There are even goals scored out of nothing.

I try to look at opportunities to shoot without much interference from the defence. We had plenty of those, but either opted for another pass or simply misfired.

But it doesn't really matter any more, now we have a new set of problems.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: everton-4-ever on December 05, 2011, 12:52:08 AM
I don't know, you tell me.

He had a decent game, moved the ball around well.


what game did you watch?

he was just dogshit as normal
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: christiffa25 on December 05, 2011, 01:01:42 AM
This result would of left me fuming last season or especially the season before but I take it in my stride now I half expect it... When u look at our team now it is a mid table bunch of players.

Moyes is right we have a good core of a team, some great youngsters but completely lack the players only money can buy!

               Howard
Vacant jags heit/Distin Baines
            Rodwell Fellani
Vacant.      Vacant.      Drenthe
                  Vacant

Coleman could go in there at RB IMO but would be learning. We need 3/4 top players to come into the current team to be anywhere near what we like to think we are or should be.

No point getting angry anymore. We just have too many average squad players starting every week now and no quality in the final third. Depressing times when unlike other clubs we don't even have any money to address the problems!



Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 05, 2011, 01:06:53 AM
This result would of left me fuming last season or especially the season before but I take it in my stride now I half expect it... When u look at our team now it is a mid table bunch of players.

Moyes is right we have a good core of a team, some great youngsters but completely lack the players only money can buy!

               Howard
Vacant jags heit/Distin Baines
            Rodwell Fellani
Vacant.      Vacant.      Drenthe
                  Vacant

Coleman could go in there at RB IMO but would be learning. We need 3/4 top players to come into the current team to be anywhere near what we like to think we are or should be.

No point getting angry anymore. We just have too many average squad players starting every week now and no quality in the final third. Depressing times when unlike other clubs we don't even have any money to address the problems!

Good luck trying to sell a sensible idea to the 4-4-2 brigade. :)
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Azz on December 05, 2011, 01:08:42 AM
Quote
executionerbong Executioner's Bong
We attempted 33 crosses today with a 21% accuracy. When the opposition play with 4 centrebacks thats playing into their hands #efc


Says it all really.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Trowel on December 05, 2011, 01:09:16 AM
I think the issue at the moment is more one of tactics than personnel. Every team knows that 90% of our attacks are based around shifting the ball wide to Baines so set out to defend deep balls into the box. Drenthe has to be played on the right just to offer variety, and similarly I think signing a central attacking midfielder is more of a priority than a striker purely to get the team creating chances again.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GhostOfDixie on December 05, 2011, 01:14:28 AM
Can't be bothered to trawl through the opinions, but surely people on this forum are not defending Moyes?

I actually like Moyes as a man, but this unrequited love that he seems to be getting just makes me ill. 

Or the 'Moyes has had no money' bollocks.  Like he's not signed any players of any value.

He's dropped the ball on many players, he hounded out more than 1 footballer from Everton, and has failed to even question the board's ambitions.

In short he's a shit house who hasn't got the balls to make the decisions required to elevate you to the kind of reputation worthy of an LMA.

Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Blueboyz on December 05, 2011, 01:15:05 AM
A total Clearout is whats needed board/managemnt wise ,  New start , Fresh impetus , Its  the only way forward now  to be honest .
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GhostOfDixie on December 05, 2011, 01:25:06 AM
You see I agree with that also.  Thanks for the ten years Moyes but its just been a frustrating period with only a handful of good times.

Time for this club to move forward.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Blueboyz on December 05, 2011, 01:36:30 AM
and bruce got sacked for what again !?, i dont see a world of difference  ""trophys wise"" between davey and bruce !!??,  descions need to be made it really is that time
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GhostOfDixie on December 05, 2011, 01:42:54 AM
Problem is mate far too many Everton fans have low expectations of their club.  This could be due to so long without success, that this top half flirting is as good as it will get, and that satisfies them.

It doesn't me.

Its a game of football, and it's about beating the other team.  Far too often Moyes fails to acknowledge that their is another team, and as a result doesn't really set his side out to combat them.

He hardly ever sets up an attacking side.  Its all about not getting relegated with Moyes and with many fans also. 

That's the difference between us and Liverpool fans.  They look forwards and up the table, and see where they can get.  We look down and feel glad we are not in 20th spot.

Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Blueboyz on December 05, 2011, 01:44:44 AM
Moyes is anti football,   :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Fynci on December 05, 2011, 01:46:34 AM
If you get deal a 2 6 off suit in poker every hand then you're going to have to be damn good at bluffing to win. Moyes is being dealt that hand more often than not.

Look at the teamsheet, look at the bench, what would you have done differently?

The team I picked had Saha and Rodwell in place for Velios and Cahill, with Saha out injured (again), then it's hardly an unsurprising selection!

Sorry, to use my above example, I'm blaming the hand, the deck and not the player.


Nothing has changed before or after the game - we need money, and we need players. If Moyes had 120m at his disposal and we were losing more often than not, then it's time to judge him.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Blueboyz on December 05, 2011, 01:48:58 AM
Well going of that kenwright must go then !!, listen someone has to GO as this SHIT cant go on much longer .
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GhostOfDixie on December 05, 2011, 01:49:30 AM
So basically what your saying then is regardless of what results we get Moyes is never to blame?

So the fact today when we were losing instead of going 2 up top and try and support the striker who was struggling against 2 big centre halts, he takes off that striker and replaces him with a striker who by his own admission didn't want to sign him.

Or how about the fact he allowed 3 strikers to leave without replacing them?

Or how about the continued selection of Billy in a position he doesn't succeed in?

Or how about the tactic of hoofing it rather than play the ball on the ground and play to our strengths and try and beat Stoke.  Today he just made it a comfortable day for Pulis.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 05, 2011, 01:49:49 AM
Its a game of football, and it's about beating the other team.  Far too often Moyes fails to acknowledge that their is another team, and as a result doesn't really set his side out to combat them.

Aye. And when he does, he gets a lecture from some fans on how good teams should try to force their tactics on the opponent rather than trying to counter them.

Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Silas on December 05, 2011, 01:50:38 AM
Moyes played pretty much his strongest available side today but the football we played was horrendous.  Howard to Heitinga, Heitinga to Hibbert to Coleman to nowhere.  Howard to Heitinga, Heitinga cross field to no one or occasionally Baines or Bily.  Poor crossing, poor movement and no chance of us scoring a goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 05, 2011, 01:51:16 AM
What a horrible game that was today!we got almost everything wrong today, no player performances were upto scratch and Moyes got it wrong as well. Add to that some dodgy refereeing decisions, and an opposition who laboured over every goal kick and throw in to waste time and you can see why we lost today.

What was most annoying for me is that they seemed to want it more.  Stoke were first to every loose ball (including the one from the corner that they scored from) and this is something we have done poorly for years. Another poor thing today was our corners and throw ins. It has been note on this forum before how bad our throw ins are. No one seems to offer an option so we lose the ball straight away most of the time. Our corners were worse than usual today. Short corners never work. Our policy on corners should be :Baines takes all of them and just crosses it in.

We seem to find it hard to break down anyone and just by being well organised,Stoke managed to see today's game through easily. It was frustrating to see a lack of players wanting the ball to their feet off the 2 centre backs. 5 minutes into the second half we could see nothing was changing, but we waited too long to make the changes, and when we did make substitutions,they were the wrong ones. Stoke were hard to penetrate through the centre and the Rodwell change just took width off us for an already congested central midfield area. Stracqualursi would have suited having a winger either side to supply him, but Gueye was brought on too late and Coleman didn't come to life til right at the end either.

We really missed Drenthe's energy and craft today. Today really underlined that we need fresh blood in January, an attacking, creative midfield playmaker is top of my shopping list after that drab, awful, boring performance.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GhostOfDixie on December 05, 2011, 01:57:42 AM
Moyes didn't do anything to change the way we played.  He never does.  That is his way.  He's stubborn and he won't ever change.

Are we any further on then Walter Smith?  I'm not so sure we are.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Silas on December 05, 2011, 01:59:02 AM
Moyes didn't do anything to change the way we played.  He never does.  That is his way.  He's stubborn and he won't ever change.

Are we any further on then Walter Smith?  I'm not so sure we are.

Tbh not sure what more Moyes can do to change the way we play with the players he has.  I can't believe he isn't telling players to move for throw ins for example. 
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 05, 2011, 02:03:21 AM
What was most annoying for me is that they seemed to want it more.  Stoke were first to every loose ball (including the one from the corner that they scored from) and this is something we have done poorly for years.

It may have seemed so but again that isn't true. We won our fair share of second balls.

The corner had nothing to do with wanting it more either: annoyingly it's something they had practised and we failed to pick up. They clearly analysed the way we defend corners and based on how we usually clear them (poorly), placed Whitehead strategically in the position the ball was most likely to end up.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: christiffa25 on December 05, 2011, 02:06:25 AM
Anyone who cant see that we are playing two strikers every week is just pure clueless!!

Anyone who thinks it doesn't matter moyes has had no money doesn't matter!?!? Again clueless!!

Anyone who doesn't see he can only go with what he's got and what he's got ain't good enough however he sets the tactics up... Well Jesus fucking Christ.... Deluded!!

Before the money completely halted moyes had us (when Donovan came on loan) on the verge.... Since he has not been able to spend a penny whilst all others have spent millions. In some cases 100's of millions. Moyes on the other hand has lost quality players and had fuck all!

We expect better??? Shouldn't settle for this!?!? Were efc!!
My god think where we were before he came??
Think how close he has got us on scraps!?!?
The football at one point were playing!!

He deserves a fucking medal putting up with the shit he has had too!

All IMO of course..... RANT over!!


Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 05, 2011, 02:12:34 AM
It may have seemed so but again that isn't true. We won our fair share of second balls.

The corner had nothing to do with wanting it more either: annoyingly it's something they had practised and we failed to pick up. They clearly analysed the way we defend corners and based on how we usually clear them (poorly), placed Whitehead strategically in the position the ball was most likely to end up.

From what I remember they had a corner and it was headed out, that's pretty much a loose ball, or maybe the term im looking or is second ball? Either way were usually second to them, we were on that one, Whitehead got his strike in and they scored from it, this could have been avoided if when the ball came out from the corner we had someone following it up. That's the price you pay I suppose if you defend corners with all your players in your own box and don't get out fast enough.  If that was something Stoke worked on then fair play.  I would like to see us have some players ready in that area though when both attacking ad defending corners as it is an area we often lose the ball.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GhostOfDixie on December 05, 2011, 02:25:07 AM
Anyone who cant see that we are playing two strikers every week is just pure clueless!!

Anyone who thinks it doesn't matter moyes has had no money doesn't matter!?!? Again clueless!!

Anyone who doesn't see he can only go with what he's got and what he's got ain't good enough however he sets the tactics up... Well Jesus fucking Christ.... Deluded!!

Before the money completely halted moyes had us (when Donovan came on loan) on the verge.... Since he has not been able to spend a penny whilst all others have spent millions. In some cases 100's of millions. Moyes on the other hand has lost quality players and had fuck all!

We expect better??? Shouldn't settle for this!?!? Were efc!!
My god think where we were before he came??
Think how close he has got us on scraps!?!?
The football at one point were playing!!

He deserves a fucking medal putting up with the shit he has had too!

All IMO of course..... RANT over!!




Oh right.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: marky v on December 05, 2011, 02:40:49 AM
Bily's touch today on at least 3 occasions with no opposition player anywhere near him was disgusting thats a concentration error as no proffesional should make them, Osman anonymous why is he the only man who moves at throw ins except its to the other side of the pitch, Coleman runs up an down the line with all the effort but not enough end product and Fellaini for all his talent unless it's a corner coming in produces nothing in the final third i was disappointed with his fear of changing direction and never moving central and instead always passing to Baines as he didn't want to shoot at al or look for a pass; that covers the midfield

Defence Baines as always tries to be the creativity of the side, Jags and Heitinga defensively didn't look too bad unfortunatley on the ball a different story, Hibbert is trying to offer more to the team going forward again (1 good cross though) unfortunatly he's never going to have it as he's one footed the man has never developed as a player since he broke into the team,

Vellios - Movement was terrible and i can see now why he's been an impact player it seemed a start was too much for him he never held it up and never competed enough with their defenders also him and Cahill were never looking for each other, Cahill - never offered anything i feel for him as he doesn't look anywhere near the player we know he is but this has been for quite a while and he may need to sit a couple of games out (if we find another option).

Moyes - subs when were playing poor why not send a message and change more than one to show that it's the players not doing enough instead of small tactical changes like the Rodwell one, by taking a risk and sending 3 subs on straight away says the boss is not happy with this. Straq - christ send him home he doesn't look like he has anything to his game at all, Gueye i want to see more of this lad especially when Drenthe isn't starting we need someone with an attacking mentality in the side


Referee - very poor game is it his fault we got nothing from the game yeah we should blame him we never got a draw cause we would never have won it, if we were still playing now i still don't think we would have had a decent chance.

Heitinga MOM - the only player who realised if Stoke are going to be aggressive why not do it back, our players were too busy looking to the ref for help if its a fight why not fight back if its football try and play the better football  
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Major Clanger on December 05, 2011, 02:56:12 AM
From what I remember they had a corner and it was headed out, that's pretty much a loose ball, or maybe the term im looking or is second ball? Either way were usually second to them, we were on that one, Whitehead got his strike in and they scored from it, this could have been avoided if when the ball came out from the corner we had someone following it up. That's the price you pay I suppose if you defend corners with all your players in your own box and don't get out fast enough.  If that was something Stoke worked on then fair play.  I would like to see us have some players ready in that area though when both attacking ad defending corners as it is an area we often lose the ball.

As I said, defending set-pieces is one of our major weaknesses this season. The reason I'm saying it' was something Stoke had definitely planned is that they managed to pull it off two more times. And I also remember an article about football science and match analysis from a couple of years ago in which Allardyce said that they had been doing  exactly this: using data from previous matches they calculated where the ball was most likely to land after a set-piece and placed a man there. I'm also fairly sure we're doing something similar when we try to plan our defending but it clearly isn't working..
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 05, 2011, 03:07:20 AM
As I said, defending set-pieces is one of our major weaknesses this season. The reason I'm saying it' was something Stoke had definitely planned is that they managed to pull it off two more times. And I also remember an article about football science and match analysis from a couple of years ago in which Allardyce said that they had been doing  exactly this: using data from previous matches they calculated where the ball was most likely to land after a set-piece and placed a man there. I'm also fairly sure we're doing something similar when we try to plan our defending but it clearly isn't working..

Fair play to them if they had worked on that. Hopefully we analyse that this week and address that for future! having all 11 men back in the box is asking for trouble, effectively gives us no chance of getting first to any ball that lands outside the box after the initial corner has been delivered.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: gdog1981 on December 05, 2011, 03:29:10 AM
Very poor today. Not many positives the return of Rodwell and the cameo of gueye. Need a striker big time as without Saha we have nothing. Heitinga mom class act at times. Moyes goes on about lack of creativity he needs 2 give Barkley a thought.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 05, 2011, 03:37:52 AM
Very poor today. Not many positives the return of Rodwell and the cameo of gueye. Need a striker big time as without Saha we have nothing. Heitinga mom class act at times. Moyes goes on about lack of creativity he needs 2 give Barkley a thought.
he wont he plays it to safe and sticks with his favourites osman and hibbert
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 05, 2011, 03:44:29 AM
also it amazes me how people like steve bruce and mick mccarthy are sacked and under pressure respectively and yet everton are only a couple of points ahead and moyes has no pressure
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: chang on December 05, 2011, 03:46:01 AM
We have scored 15 goals this season in the EPL, that is piss poor, and a couple of them penalties?
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: steve81 on December 05, 2011, 03:55:12 AM
We have scored 15 goals this season in the EPL, that is piss poor, and a couple of them penalties?
5 matches failed to score at all people can say its lack of strikers but there hasnt been any movement or creativity in matches this season
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GhostOfDixie on December 05, 2011, 03:56:30 AM
also it amazes me how people like steve bruce and mick mccarthy are sacked and under pressure respectively and yet everton are only a couple of points ahead and moyes has no pressure

Nail On The Head!

That is the problem, he has no pressure.  No pressure from the chairman, nor the fans.  Safest job in the world.  Only God has a safer job.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Ross Kemp on December 05, 2011, 04:05:40 AM
Let's be honest, we have been piss poor this season. But hey if you dont spend any money, your not going to progress. We have no creative midfielders, thanks to the sale of piennar and arteta, thanks Blue boy BILL! ;D Drop osman for the love of god. Our strikers are hopeless minus velious. We were shite agaisnt wolves, lucky agaisnt Bolton, and dreadfull today. Long hard season. No doubt.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: GhostOfDixie on December 05, 2011, 04:07:21 AM
Let's be honest, we have been piss poor this season. But hey if you dont spend any money, your not going to progress. We have no creative midfielders, thanks to the sale of piennar and arteta, thanks Blue boy BILL! ;D Drop osman for the love of god. Our strikers are hopeless minus velious. We were shite agaisnt wolves, lucky agaisnt Bolton, and dreadfull today. Long hard season. No doubt.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11671_7167004,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11671_7167004,00.html)
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on December 05, 2011, 04:12:41 AM
tamworth will fancy their chances here
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: charlatan on December 05, 2011, 04:39:41 AM
Just seen their goal again on Football First.  There was 5 of their players unmarked on the edge of the 6 yard box when the ball came back in.  Fucking joke.
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: bluestevie on December 05, 2011, 05:40:29 AM
absolute dogshit game, never looked like scoring. lee mason was, is and always will be a shite ref but lets not use him as an excuse for that performance. to think i paid £25 to go today when i could have easily gone for free (my uncle offered me the use of my cousins season ticket for the game the day after i had bought my ticket)

would it hurt moyes to play two strikers for once, and no christiffa25 cahill doesnt count, he is a midfielder not a striker
Title: Re: Everton v Stoke City
Post by: christiffa25 on December 05, 2011, 01:37:35 PM
But he's playing as a striker!?!? And he does for Australia too. He's a deep lying striker now basically

Who would u suggest?? Straq and vellios up top?

I'm not saying we should never play with 2 strikers up top but we don't even have 1 proper striker. Saha is the only one nut even he is a deep lying striker.

Finally u could stick dzeko up top for us and we'd still struggle.
We need a ACM creative player
We need a RW goalscoring flair player

Without these the striker will never get the ball.