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Title: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: D_murph on January 07, 2012, 05:39:05 AM
Cos let's face it, kenwright would never get rid, would we really be any worse off? I was talking to a couple of blues the other night about this, and we all thought he'd done the hard work at everton (turning the club from relegation candidates to mid-table/euro possibles). Now, he's got together a half decent squad, but he has'nt got a clue how to use half of them. he's getting nothing out of rodwell, fellaini, bilyaletdinov, saha, cahill and heitinga. Got nothing out of arteta for the last 12-18 months of his everton career, and generally is a miserable bastard in EVERYinterview he does these days. I think if the likes of paul lambert had this squad, he'd show a lot more bollocks in his formations and team selection (especially at home) and as a result, I'M ALL FOR IT!!! nod
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Brownie on January 07, 2012, 05:54:32 AM
What manager in their right mind is going to come in and take over with no money to spend on improving the squad? and I'm talking about managers who could make a difference over a long period of time? Things might improve in the short term with a new manager but the same long term
problems would be there
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: D_murph on January 07, 2012, 06:00:39 AM
I've just told you who. Lambert has managed at wycombe and norwich, and despite him having a good thing going at norwich, he'd defo jump at the challenge to manage a 'big' club. You might think differently, but i'm sick of the negative shit being served up by moyes (on and off the field) for the past year and a half. we defo need new owners, but we also need new ideas on the field, big time.
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Post by: C_M2011 on January 07, 2012, 06:03:07 AM
do one prick !  :wanker:
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: American Evertonian on January 07, 2012, 06:04:22 AM
What manager in their right mind is going to come in and take over with no money to spend on improving the squad? and I'm talking about managers who could make a difference over a long period of time? Things might improve in the short term with a new manager but the same long term
problems would be there

A young manager who was hungry to show that when given a chance he can improve a squad. We need new tactics and a fresh face to inspire and rally the troops. It is hard to inspire the boys when they have been around you for so long.

We can keep saying that we could not get better than Moyes, but do we actually know that? We might not get a big name but who is to say that we won't find a better replacement? Look how big names have done for Chelsea. Granted they have funds and Roman is a impossible to satisfy, but it goes to show the hottest name in coaching is not always a success.
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Post by: josh_evertonian4ever on January 07, 2012, 06:05:51 AM
my mate text me before sayin moyes looked fed up in his interview today and i text back saying he obviously hasnt seen a moyes interview for a while because he's been like that for ages!
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: D_murph on January 07, 2012, 06:07:50 AM
nice reply dick face. you we're probably the clown at the head of the kenwright protest.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: D_murph on January 07, 2012, 06:10:57 AM
It wo'nt happen cos bill and moyes are too close.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: 123_efc on January 07, 2012, 06:12:13 AM
Moyes is the reason we're not going to be in the championship next year
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: American Evertonian on January 07, 2012, 06:15:13 AM
Moyes is the reason we're not going to be in the championship next year

We don't know that yet....I think the reason we won't be in the championship is because we all love each other and we are all winners!  :batty:
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Geordie Blue on January 07, 2012, 06:18:51 AM
Answer: we'd end up like Charlton after they got rid of Alan Curbishley because he'd taken them as far as he could and they needed to freshen things up.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Jamokachi on January 07, 2012, 06:52:53 AM
A new manager would have to work with the same squad, sell his better players and not be able to reinvest. I have no confidence in anyone being able to do that.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Blue Phoenix on January 07, 2012, 07:07:11 AM
If we're aiming for mid-table managers of smaller clubs that play good football, why stop at Lambert?

There's Brendan Rodgers too.

I remember how Mike Walker was flavour of the month once. He managed Norwich, made them attractive, they beat us 5-1 at Goodison. I mean, he did something the other two have no chance of doing - finishing 3rd in the Premiership, then beating Bayern Munich away in the UEFA Cup.

And then he came to Everton. And he very nearly took us down TWICE. His first 5 months saw us needing the Wimbledon win to stay up. Then, after actually spending money on players, oversaw our worst start to a season in decades.

Moyes makes baffling decisions that we all disagree with, but ultimately it all boils down to having funds to sign players. No 1st team signings for nearly 3 years for a fee. That's why we have 2 defenders in midfield. That's why Arteta was sold. That's why we have no decent strikers.

Please don't turn on Moyes and let Kenwright off the hook. The first person to go should be Kenwright, no matter how bad it gets.
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Post by: blargins on January 07, 2012, 07:17:11 AM
Of course bill should be first to go, but I would ultimately like to see both go.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Murder on January 07, 2012, 07:30:38 AM
Gus Poyet.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Verm on January 07, 2012, 07:49:53 AM
We'd be worse off purely on the basis that Kenwright would probably make some obscure horrendous appointment from the lower leagues on the off chance he accidently unearths another gem.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Dayne88 on January 07, 2012, 07:54:18 AM
If moyes left, we would end up with a 'gary megson' so stop talkin bollocks
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: American Evertonian on January 07, 2012, 08:00:41 AM
I'm amazed how people view Moyes as supreme. We don't know if someone would do worse or not. We have had Moyes for so long we just view him as being the best b/c he has been around for ages.

Will a new guy take us to the CL or relegation? No way to know. I for one am amazed so many people would settle with Moyes and accept the current mediocrity than be willing to take a chance on a different manager.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Verm on January 07, 2012, 08:02:14 AM
Will a new guy take us to the CL or relegation? No way to know. I for one am amazed so many people would settle with Moyes and accept the current mediocrity than be willing to take a chance on a different manager.

Moyes is far from perfect and I've been a pretty big critic of his over the years but please name a manager who would come to this club who wouldn't be a massive gamble.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: billbones80 on January 07, 2012, 08:19:00 AM
Yes we would be worse off.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: American Evertonian on January 07, 2012, 09:17:58 AM
Moyes is far from perfect and I've been a pretty big critic of his over the years but please name a manager who would come to this club who wouldn't be a massive gamble.

I guess part of my  point was lost. I agree anyone we bring in would be a gamble. I just can't understand Moyes supporters point. Why they will take this current mess because the old statement of "Well we can't get anyone better." My personal opinion is why let this dire situation get worse. We can all see that things are going to go downhill the next few years. If this is the case why hit rock bottom before making a change? Why not do it now and try to alter what our future currently holds.

I don't want us to sign a big name coach (partly b/c I know it is unrealistic). I just know that our team needs to start fresh and receive the spark that has been missing. A new coach would restore competition for places and bring new tactics which we may very well need. We need to remember that manager greats like SAF, Wenger, Moyes, Mourinho, etc. all started with nothing on their resumes. Odds are we won't get "the next one" of that breed, but I can guarantee we won't if we don't give someone a chance.

"If you love him, let him go"
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: blargins on January 07, 2012, 09:22:01 AM
Wasn't Moyes a massive gamble in the first place? He hadn't achieved that much before he came to us.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: nomorechang on January 07, 2012, 10:13:49 AM
Over the years , every flavour of the month manager who's strung a run of 3 or 4 games together has been mentioned as potential Moyes replacements .... every one of them have fallen by the wayside ... No , there is no one better than Moyes in our current position . The wanabee managers on here and other forums haven't got a clue as to what the matchday options are open to Moyes .


As tothe" we miht get the next wenger SAF , Mourinho .... bullshit .. we also might get the next Gary Megson , Ian Dowie Paul Ince , John Barnes ..in fact we're more likely to do so .

Anyway , you'll all find out for yourselves next season how good his replacement will do
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: cantoffee on January 07, 2012, 11:18:09 AM
I'm amazed how people view Moyes as supreme. We don't know if someone would do worse or not. We have had Moyes for so long we just view him as being the best b/c he has been around for ages.

Will a new guy take us to the CL or relegation? No way to know. I for one am amazed so many people would settle with Moyes and accept the current mediocrity than be willing to take a chance on a different manager.

No manager in the world could take us to the CL with this squad and this budget.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Optimistic Blue on January 07, 2012, 11:26:55 AM
The risks far outweigh the benefits on this one

With Moyes we know were stable, and when we get taken over and have spent a considerable amount of money that should be top 4 standards, then we can look elsewhere

as things stand we could either get in some miracle worker, which is just so unlikely it hurts, or get in someone utter shit like the aforementioned gary megson, paul ince, kenny dalglesh who are utter wank get us relegated, of which we would have to find yet ANOTHER manager (Howard Kendall round 4 anyone) and then get in a very dangerous position like Leeds, Forest, Leicester are in at the mo, stagnating in the championship as the premier league gap widens

IF Moyes was to leave on the other hand, then Bernd Schuster for me, but for now were good with Moyes, were doing ok x
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: e.f.c on January 07, 2012, 01:41:12 PM
What, realistically, do we think everton should be achieving at the moment? We were the only club in the league not to spend any money in the summer. Stoke have spent a fortune, as have spurs, city, liverpool, sunderland and qpr. I was seriously pissed off leaving the ground on wednesday, but that is what makes football great, it is unpredictable. I don't see man utd fans running round sayingSAF shouldnbe sacked because they lost 2 on the bounce. Moyes has given us more stability than anyone else since the glory days of the 80s. For most of the 90s we battled relegation- moyes has changed all of that. Paul lambert is working under no pressure at norwich at a fairly small club, as is brendan rogers at swansea. Just because someone has a good 6 months in the Pl doesn't make them a new Ferguson. Phil Brown anyone?
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Brownie on January 07, 2012, 02:22:26 PM
Moyes is not perfect - far from it. He is not above criticism but considering the constraints he has worked under he has done a remarkable job. Now take off your blue tinted glasses a minute and think logically. Any manager who comes to a new club wants to put his mark on it will not do so with the current crop of players - they like to bring in their own people. So Miyes and his backroom
staff go (big compo payout) a new guy comes in. "Right Bill" he says "I want to bring in some new players, freshen the squad up. Sell the dead wood". So he does sell a few players, Bily and Heitinga, maybe Osman and Cahill raising 20m. Where does that money go? Because sure as hell the manager won't see any of it. Then we have to sell a Barkly or Felli for big money to buy two or three players. But we are six players down. It's not as simple as saying a newanager will get rid of all this negativity

someone mention Gus Poyet as a potential replacment. He is at an ambitious club that has outspent Everton and could be in the PL sooner rather than later.

It pains me to say this but we are not a big club in today's money driven professional
game. Yes we have a fantastic history that other clubs would kill for but we have a future that not even a madman would want. But I look forward to the Megsan era because we will not get  a quality manager to replace Moyes
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: nomorechang on January 07, 2012, 02:44:05 PM
Moyes is not perfect - far from it. He is not above criticism but considering the constraints he has worked under he has done a remarkable job. Now take off your blue tinted glasses a minute and think logically. Any manager who comes to a new club wants to put his mark on it will not do so with the current crop of players - they like to bring in their own people. So Miyes and his backroom
staff go (big compo payout) a new guy comes in. "Right Bill" he says "I want to bring in some new players, freshen the squad up. Sell the dead wood". So he does sell a few players, Bily and Heitinga, maybe Osman and Cahill raising 20m. Where does that money go? Because sure as hell the manager won't see any of it. Then we have to sell a Barkly or Felli for big money to buy two or three players. But we are six players down. It's not as simple as saying a newanager will get rid of all this negativity

someone mention Gus Poyet as a potential replacment. He is at an ambitious club that has outspent Everton and could be in the PL sooner rather than later.

It pains me to say this but we are not a big club in today's money driven professional
game. Yes we have a fantastic history that other clubs would kill for but we have a future that not even a madman would want. But I look forward to the Megsan era because we will not get  a quality manager to replace Moyes


Couldn't have put it better myself  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Derek on January 07, 2012, 04:02:28 PM
I reckon in the situation we are now, we need Moyes, because no matter how shit we are, I can't see us ever getting relegated. Getting someone new in would be such a massive gamble, and I would be unwilling to take it, personally.

I also think Moyes is the man to take us forward, but he needs money.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: 123_efc on January 07, 2012, 04:05:35 PM
We'd be worse off purely on the basis that Kenwright would probably make some obscure horrendous appointment from the lower leagues on the off chance he accidently unearths another gem.

What he said.
Title: Boyes
Post by: Bily No Pace on January 07, 2012, 04:07:17 PM
Agreed. Moyes has done wonders with the money he's had and is the best man for the job. That's not to say he doesn't make mistakes and in my opinion he has a boring style of football which has developed over the last few years.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: pjk on January 07, 2012, 04:27:06 PM
I reckon in the situation we are now, we need Moyes, because no matter how shit we are, I can't see us ever getting relegated. Getting someone new in would be such a massive gamble, and I would be unwilling to take it, personally.

I also think Moyes is the man to take us forward, but he needs money.
     


Spot on Derek. The gamble idea brings me out in a sweat. Get the man some money. I think he has shown his ability with the good team that he built 2008-2009. Only so much to spend there too.
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Post by: the roy vernon plan on January 07, 2012, 04:52:38 PM
Dead right that DM deserves financial support. He has been keeping
the show afloat for a longtime now with just the hot air from Billy Liar
to sustain him.

And no-one could have done it better. Of course he has made mistakes.
But I hope he gets over this down period and the tempoarray insanity that
is driving him to play Hibbert and Neville every week and makes a full recovery.   

 
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: pjk on January 07, 2012, 04:58:27 PM
Dead right that DM deserves financial support. He has been keeping
the show afloat for a longtime now with just the hot air from Billy Liar
to sustain him.

And no-one could have done it better. Of course he has made mistakes.
But I hope he gets over this down period and the tempoarray insanity that
is driving him to play Hibbert and Neville every week and makes a full recovery.   

 


 :snigger:
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: gdog1981 on January 08, 2012, 02:36:07 PM
If things continue like they are Moyes will walk in the summer  IMO "taken club as  far as I can" being the reason behind it.  He can only continue to make us punch above our weight and abilities for so long, and his trusted lieutenants are no longer reliable for him e.g.  Cahill, Neville etc.  I fear this will happen.  His replacement god only knows......  it could only be a young up coming manager who fancies the challenge and managing a great historical club.  Very worried what the next 12-18 months holds for this club.   
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Post by: Bigjmill on January 09, 2012, 11:24:30 PM
I think with Moyes in charge while we are playing badly we would be getting beat badly instead of nicking 3 points here and there. A new man in charge could make things even worse.
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Post by: Straq attack on January 09, 2012, 11:41:33 PM
I echo the point a few have made - I can't see us going down with Moyes.

I am definitely more in the pro-Moyes camp than against him (although I do agree that my main argument of 'who replaces him?' highlights a really poor show of ambition) but in the back of my mind, I am assuming that somewhere down the line, after a few (lot?) more years of mid-table finishes and debt repayments on that big season-ticket secured loan, we might be in more of a financially competitive position again.

If that were to be the case, we could either afford to maybe attract someone of a good calibre (who also maybe wouldn't be a complete 'gamble' - unless that's what we wanted) or moyes may actually have some transfer cash that nobody can argue he hasn't earned during his tenure. That said, we need to keep attendances up and improve on the commercial side continually (I reckon we would sell a lot more non-kit stuff if Nike were indeed going to start as our manufacturer) as that debt doesn't seem to be going down depite the big player sales.

So basically, what I'm saying is, keep Moyes if his stability can help us through the financially harsh times in the best possible shape (and assuming this doesn't encourage lower attendances still) - the Alan Curbs/Charlton comparison mentioned above is a brilliant one and defo something I could see happening to us 
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Post by: GhostOfDixie on January 09, 2012, 11:44:04 PM
It wo'nt happen cos bill and moyes are too close.

and that is the problem isn't it?  There is absolutely zilch pressure on Moyes from Kenwright.  David Moyes has the easiest job in football.  When he wins he wins, when he loses he still wins (65k a week).

No motivation to do better other than his own standards, which have never been high - as a player or a manager.

I'd happily see the Kenwright/Moyes experiment ended.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Brownie on January 10, 2012, 12:45:24 AM
I'd rather see Vill replaced first then give Moyes some time with real money ( not monopoly) and see what he could do in that situation.
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Post by: efctaxi on January 10, 2012, 12:54:39 AM
Cos let's face it, kenwright would never get rid, would we really be any worse off? I was talking to a couple of blues the other night about this, and we all thought he'd done the hard work at everton (turning the club from relegation candidates to mid-table/euro possibles). Now, he's got together a half decent squad, but he has'nt got a clue how to use half of them. he's getting nothing out of rodwell, fellaini, bilyaletdinov, saha, cahill and heitinga. Got nothing out of arteta for the last 12-18 months of his everton career, and generally is a miserable bastard in EVERYinterview he does these days. I think if the likes of paul lambert had this squad, he'd show a lot more bollocks in his formations and team selection (especially at home) and as a result, I'M ALL FOR IT!!! nod

Err ..... let me think ..... NO !  :hmph:
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: GhostOfDixie on January 10, 2012, 01:00:24 AM
Moyes is a shit manager.

End of.

You all think with money he would all of a sudden be so much better at:

Tactics
Team Selection
Substitutions
Player relationships

He would just have more money to waste, and his inabilities would be masked by some super ass star from AC Red Star Madrid who would be on 300k a week, and still be left on the bench for the first 6 weeks of his career.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 10, 2012, 01:03:41 AM
Moyes is a shit manager.

End of.

You all think with money he would all of a sudden be so much better at:

Tactics
Team Selection
Substitutions
Player relationships

He would just have more money to waste, and his inabilities would be masked by some super ass star from AC Red Star Madrid who would be on 300k a week, and still be left on the bench for the first 6 weeks of his career.

So super star players mask managers qualities?
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: GhostOfDixie on January 10, 2012, 01:07:06 AM
So super star players mask managers qualities?

They can do yes.  I mean in the eyes of the fans though.  Look at City, under Hughes they had a pretty talented squad - but Hughes is a shit manager and thats why he was sacked.

What I'm saying is people ignore the fact David Moyes isn't a great manager because he's apparently not had a bean to spend on players.  I beg to differ.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Always a Toffeeman on January 10, 2012, 01:09:03 AM
firstly moyes going is out of the question for me, far too good a manager for us to let him go! i do question him sometimes but wed be far worse if we didnt have hime

secondly if he did go and i wouldnt blame him, would we really attract anyone of any quality to replace him, wed be after managers out of a job so neil warnock mark hughes sort of managers because we couldnt afford to pay compensation to take someone elses manager or promoting steve round or alan irvine,

complete no brainer moyes stays
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 10, 2012, 01:09:35 AM
They can do yes.  I mean in the eyes of the fans though.  Look at City, under Hughes they had a pretty talented squad - but Hughes is a shit manager and thats why he was sacked.

What I'm saying is people ignore the fact David Moyes isn't a great manager because he's apparently not had a bean to spend on players.  I beg to differ.

Fair comment

I think he has done a good job and think he deserves a chance to see what he can do with money. I doubt he will get that chance here tho
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: GhostOfDixie on January 10, 2012, 01:16:15 AM
Fair comment

I think he has done a good job and think he deserves a chance to see what he can do with money. I doubt he will get that chance here tho

Well he has done nothing in the past 18 months to say to me he deserves that chance.  Before then maybe so, but in the past 18 months his tactics have been shocking.

He has also allowed players to leave without replacing them.  He has also lied to the fans about the sale of players and why they were sold, and he has failed to make enough of a stink about the situation.  He has basically bent over and took it up the arse.

How many post match game interviews can we endure when he basically says the players haven't done enough?  He knows the squad, he knows who he has to beat on the saturday, he should be planning and preparing based on what he has, but he clearly doesn't. 

He has constantly played players out of position, out of form and has never ever taken any kind of risk.  Great managers take risks, that's how they become great - because they are prepared to put their neck on the line.  He doesn't do that at all.  He just goes home and checks his bank balance. 
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Post by: tafftoff on January 10, 2012, 01:17:08 AM
Just think 10 yrs of this is enough.

Thanks Davey for the first few years but this is biz and it's just not happening - you look bored, players look bored and those fans who still go are comatose.

A new voice with different ideas might perk the players up to win the Prem.

(couldn't resist a joke there).....

I really meant Champions league - fuck off.... miserable gets ;D
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: GhostOfDixie on January 10, 2012, 01:21:21 AM
Well its a vicious circle.

Kenwright and Moyes are dancing around it.  Moyes is making a fortune.  His family are on the books as interim football scouts also. 
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Post by: sidney the blue on January 10, 2012, 01:35:31 AM
And so it starts again.

Do you really think that if all our players were fit then Heitinga and Neville would be our central midfield partnership, coz it wasn't when everyone was available.

Do you think if Moyes had money and was able to buy the players he wanted Neville and Heitinga would be our midfield pairing.

I think the answer to both these questions is no!!
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: GhostOfDixie on January 10, 2012, 01:39:13 AM
And so it starts again.

Do you really think that if all our players were fit then Heitinga and Neville would be our central midfield partnership, coz it wasn't when everyone was available.

Do you think if Moyes had money and was able to buy the players he wanted Neville and Heitinga would be our midfield pairing.

I think the answer to both these questions is no!!


Well he had money lid and he dropped 6m on Heitinga!  Christ.

He also dropped 9m on Billy.

Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: moomin on January 10, 2012, 01:43:41 AM
Well he had money lid and he dropped 6m on Heitinga!  Christ.

He also dropped 9m on Billy.



Heitinga is a good player, good signing in my view.

Bily, has not worked out at all. Will one of the next managers requirements be to have a 100% success in the transfer market? every manager does bad signings, overall the majority of Moyes have been a success.

Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 10, 2012, 01:47:41 AM
Heitinga is a good player, good signing in my view.

Bily, has not worked out at all. Will one of the next managers requirements be to have a 100% success in the transfer market? every manager does bad signings, overall the majority of Moyes have been a success.



Agreed
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: GhostOfDixie on January 10, 2012, 01:49:38 AM
Heitinga is a good player, good signing in my view.

Bily, has not worked out at all. Will one of the next managers requirements be to have a 100% success in the transfer market? every manager does bad signings, overall the majority of Moyes have been a success.



Explain how Moyes has been a success at Everton?  Not interested in Cahill, or Arteta, etc.  I'm talking about the team, the squad, the success the club has had under Moyes?  Because last time I checked it was pretty non-existent.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: moomin on January 10, 2012, 02:02:52 AM
Explain how Moyes has been a success at Everton?  Not interested in Cahill, or Arteta, etc.  I'm talking about the team, the squad, the success the club has had under Moyes?  Because last time I checked it was pretty non-existent.

I said the majority of his signings have been a success, not that he has been a success at Everton.

But, consider that when he first took over we were mid table to relegation battlers, we have been consistently in the top 8 for the past 5 seasons. So he has been a success in raising expectations, getting us back into Europe, but no silverware unfortunately.

Football is different now to 20 years ago, to win silverware you need cash and plenty of it to buy it. Manchester City have not got were they are due to the managerial ability of Mancini.
Title: Re: if moyes fucked off.............................
Post by: Blueney-tunes on January 10, 2012, 02:30:50 AM
Smashed the club transfer record and then sold him to Blackburn for a mill.

Worst man manager in the history of.
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Post by: Silas on January 10, 2012, 02:37:36 AM
Smashed the club transfer record and then sold him to Blackburn for a mill.

Worst man manager in the history of.

Ha, well done on missing out a huge portion of why's and wherefores!

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Post by: Blueney-tunes on January 10, 2012, 02:44:05 AM
Silas, no need to cloud or sugar coat my facts.

Did he or did he not sell the club record for a mill?
Answer: yes he did.
Proof: See Blackburn
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Post by: Verm on January 10, 2012, 02:49:04 AM
Silas, no need to cloud or sugar coat my facts.

Did he or did he not sell the club record for a mill?
Answer: yes he did.
Proof: See Blackburn


Club record transfer is Marouane Fellaini who cost £15m
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Post by: Blueney-tunes on January 10, 2012, 02:51:29 AM
Club record transfer is Marouane Fellaini who cost 15m


If only he was given a chance to spend some money...
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Post by: Silas on January 10, 2012, 02:51:32 AM
Silas, no need to cloud or sugar coat my facts.

Did he or did he not sell the club record for a mill?
Answer: yes he did.
Proof: See Blackburn

Yes but is he worth near that now? We bought him at the height of his value and sold him arguably at his lowest..  It wasn't a good decision and it was still a rubbish price but  its not fair just to state what you did.

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Post by: Silas on January 10, 2012, 02:53:32 AM

If only he was given a chance to spend some money...

Yay we must be due a signing any minute now.  What with all the money he gets.

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Post by: Verm on January 10, 2012, 02:57:03 AM

If only he was given a chance to spend some money...

Point is the answer to your question was no, he did not.
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Post by: Geordie Blue on January 10, 2012, 03:03:38 AM
In the past FIVE seasons apart from United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool we have finished above EVERY other club EVERY year except for SPURS (three times), City (twice) and Villa (once). What would a new manager coming in have to do in the next five years to better that record?
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Post by: Verm on January 10, 2012, 03:06:39 AM
In the past FIVE seasons apart from United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool we have finished above EVERY other club EVERY year except for SPURS (three times), City (twice) and Villa (once). What would a new manager coming in have to do in the next five years to better that record?

Just get what is already a great squad to play to their potential.
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Post by: Blueney-tunes on January 10, 2012, 03:10:03 AM
Point is the answer to your question was no, he did not.

It wasnt the point though was it.
Not at any point did I state the "current" transfer record.. did I?

Poor you trying to be a grown up and get involved.
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Post by: nomorechang on January 10, 2012, 03:10:39 AM
Just get what is already a great squad to play to their potential.

at the same time as instructing the players not to get injured or not to get sold even though the chairman says they have to
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Post by: Geordie Blue on January 10, 2012, 03:10:57 AM
Just get what is already a great squad to play to their potential.

OK - so where would you say the current squad should be capable of finishing this season? Top 4?
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Post by: Blueney-tunes on January 10, 2012, 03:12:49 AM
at the same time as instructing the players not to get injured or not to get sold even though the chairman says they have to

He has the final say, hes said so himself.
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Post by: Verm on January 10, 2012, 03:14:38 AM
OK - so where would you say the current squad should be capable of finishing this season? Top 4?

Should be at least 7th.
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Post by: Verm on January 10, 2012, 03:15:16 AM
at the same time as instructing the players not to get injured or not to get sold even though the chairman says they have to

So there've been no matches in the last couple of years where you've had an issue with Moyes' team selections?
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Post by: Geordie Blue on January 10, 2012, 03:26:43 AM
Should be at least 7th.

7th sounds reasonable but I wouldn't say at least but probably at best - we'll see what the rest of the season brings but I still expect us to finish 8th to 10th which isn't exactly a million miles away. The quality of football has been shocking so far this season and we're still 11th so think we should see how second half of season goes.
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Post by: Verm on January 10, 2012, 03:28:35 AM
The fact that we've been shocking and yet are onyl a little off the top half shows just how lucky we've been.
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Post by: Geordie Blue on January 10, 2012, 03:34:36 AM
The fact that we've been shocking and yet are onyl a little off the top half shows just how lucky we've been.

True - can't think of a home game I've actually enjoyed! I'm working on the principle if we have been this bad and managed to stay mid-table then when we start playing our Samba style football we'll be flying up the table.