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Title: Cahill
Post by: DannyR on December 21, 2009, 07:26:42 PM
I think now he is 30 he has played the best of his football. he hasn't been as influential in the games this season.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: Endless, Nameless on December 21, 2009, 07:33:56 PM
Maybe, but Cahill's talents are mainly mental ones. He knows how to find ways through defences and when to jump, how to head the ball. These are things that don't go with age. He is just in a bad run of form, I think. Once we get Mikel back I think you may be eating your words. I hope so, anyway.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: DannyR on December 21, 2009, 07:36:58 PM
Maybe, but Cahill's talents are mainly mental ones. He knows how to find ways through defences and when to jump, how to head the ball. These are things that don't go with age. He is just in a bad run of form, I think. Once we get Mikel back I think you may be eating your words. I hope so, anyway.
I hope so too. He looks a bit lost of recent.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: toffee_scot on December 21, 2009, 08:09:52 PM
I remember a statistic had been published showing how we got more points when Cahill was in the team than when he wasn't there. I think this season has shown he isn't the talisman people have made him out to be.

As for Mikel Arteta, it is quite worrying how it seems Evertonians are relying on him coming back from injury before individual players find their best form again. We should be learning to be able to still get points without having to rely on 1 or 2 key players, we seemed to manage without Arteta last season in the last few months (Yakubu was hardly missed). For some reason this season the players just can't seem to win many games at all.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: Dublin Toffee on December 21, 2009, 08:58:53 PM
I think we should keep him. For me, he's becoming a different sort of player. His work ethic and drive are second to none. The amount of defensive headers he wins are of crucial importance.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 21, 2009, 09:01:02 PM
I think now he is 30 he has played the best of his football. he hasn't been as influential in the games this season.

Agreed

The best thing hes don for aLONG time was that through ball for the Saha goal that was 'offside'.

Aside from that he wan't involved in much of our Ole football in the first 20 mins yesterday. Skillful football passes him by.

Unfortunately due to the size of the squad he is undroppable.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: slothzen on December 21, 2009, 09:20:58 PM
When is his contract up?  I love the guy, but if he's going to be around for the next few years maybe he could fade into a staffing role?  I'd love to see him stick around at Everton, irregardless of his role.  Doubtful, I know, he will probably end up back in Australia.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: marky v on December 21, 2009, 10:35:02 PM
Think he has another two or three seasons left on his contract, maybe all the aways with australia and summers of football plus his foot injuries have taken its toll and he needs a good break, besides that though i wouldn't want to lose any players as we cant cope with injuries regardless of who comes in to replace him
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: Verm on December 21, 2009, 10:42:34 PM
I think Fellaini is already a better footballer than Cahill.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: cantoffee on December 21, 2009, 11:14:26 PM
He still has a role to play at the club and will for the next 2 years. I think he'll break out of his slump soon and bang a couple home in the next few weeks, then again I thought that a couple weeks ago so who knows. If we had a full squad he'd have been dropped by now and maybe have even found some form as opposed to having to work through it.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: Ridge on December 22, 2009, 12:42:56 AM
I think Timmy has come under criticism unfairly in a lot of ways. Its happened with the Yak, people realising his inadequacies when his scoring isn't up to form and Cahill not being the catalyst when we lack a distributor or creative force.

Cahill reads the game well, but his style is a breaking midfielder supporting the front man. When he gets the ball he looks horizontal for a simple pass and gets in the box. This is why he has scored more premiership headers than any other player. His style has never been to run the game or control the flow of the team, we have many players better at it. Recently we haven't had creative players and Cahill has been used in almost every role a midfielder can play.

You can't just heap extra pressure on players and expect them to excel where they haven't been used before. I think a lot of the criticism is derived from Fellaini performing the central distribution role admirably in recent weeks, while previously been the subject of vilification.

Cahill often scores against big teams and when we counter attack, but like the Yak relies on service.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: huck on December 22, 2009, 12:48:02 AM
Good point Ridge! been upset with him myself but see what you are saying there and agree.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: blargins on December 22, 2009, 01:02:28 AM
When is his contract up?  I love the guy, but if he's going to be around for the next few years maybe he could fade into a staffing role?  I'd love to see him stick around at Everton, irregardless of his role.  Doubtful, I know, he will probably end up back in Australia.

Really I wouldn't blame him, would you?
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: fubarruk on December 22, 2009, 06:50:18 AM
Still think he's got a bit left in the tank yet.

Never been his biggest fan but he has never been the type of player who runs the game or controls the midfield, even when he's in top form he can go missing during matches. Too much pressure has been put on him to become a creative force, playing in unfamiliar positions, this simply isn't his game.

When we have some creative players back and actually playing well, he can go back to his favoured position, back to becoming an impact player and hopefully performances will improve.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: Confucius on December 22, 2009, 07:58:48 AM
If we were to sell him it was at the beginning of this season. i thought we should of made the most from him then. After a terrific last season, he was only going downhill from there.
Title: Re: Cahill
Post by: GLewis on December 22, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
To me it looks like he needs a rest. If we had more players available I'd have him on the bench for a couple of weeks.

His timing of his jumps is completely out at present, but we need him up front to put the effort in as it's not the strongest part of any of Jo, Saha or the Yak's games.

If Vaughan gets back (yes big IF), then I could see a spell where we play 2 up front with him and one other (Saha) as he puts in the same sort of selfless running that Cahill does.