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Title: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 08, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
I've heard that a deal for baines with united is almost done. Everton wanting around 19 million + addons, utd willing to pay 16.

Hoping to tie it up this week.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: AidyEFC9 on June 08, 2013, 04:14:50 PM
Righttt, we want £19m plus and United are offering £16m and a deal is close?!. Haha okayyy.

Only deal that might be close is a new deal with the club for Baines!.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: AidyEFC9 on June 08, 2013, 04:15:30 PM
Oh, and it all starts again!.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2013, 04:21:16 PM
From the man who broke us the Everton are signing Lewis Holtby story!

Just kidding mate good to see you back even if you do come bearing bad news!

Heard similar to be honest. Same goes with Felli for me if he wants out lets establish it early, get the best price we can and move on. I'd hope for about 20m

With these players though it grates on me that they will probably still get a loyalty bonus despite fucking off!

That's more aimed at Fellaini than Baines!
Title: Re: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 08, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
Heard similar... No figures just expect to say Tara
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 08, 2013, 04:28:18 PM
Im personally worried where that money would be spent.. i would hate to see it go on 2-3 ex wigan players.. Id prefer 2 class players, and a young stones-ish youth signing. If martinez plays three at the back, then oviedo would ( in my opinon ) be great as a attacking left wing back to replace baines.


Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2013, 04:30:57 PM
Im personally worried where that money would be spent.. i would hate to see it go on 2-3 ex wigan players.. Id prefer 2 class players, and a young stones-ish youth signing. If martinez plays three at the back, then oviedo would ( in my opinon ) be great as a attacking left wing back..


We did spend a decent amount on Oviedo.would like us to use him as Baines replacement and spend the money on a good striker. Gomez/Negredo would be great, plus Fer in to replace Fellaini and Ideally 2 other midfielders...is that manageable with the Baines/Fellaini money?

Apologies on this sounding like a pure Footy Manager post
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 08, 2013, 04:34:26 PM
I think its interesting that bill kenwright has made some pretty big statements about outgoing transfers, something which i can't remember him doing that often.. "i told david not to take baines, not to call him" and "everyone knows the release clause we have in place" to me sounds alot like him trying to let everyone know 'i did everything i could to hold onto our players"

Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 08, 2013, 04:39:59 PM
We've just offered Baines a contract extension
The chairman has issued  ahands off specifically to Moyes about Baines
Moyes has just made his first signing at United - a full back

All in all i'd be shocked if this was anything like true.

(although i said i would be shocked if United wanted Moyes an hour before it was confirmed!)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Fellainis Hairdresser on June 08, 2013, 04:49:26 PM
We've just offered Baines a contract extension
The chairman has issued  ahands off specifically to Moyes about Baines
Moyes has just made his first signing at United - a full back

All in all i'd be shocked if this was anything like true.

(although i said i would be shocked if United wanted Moyes an hour before it was confirmed!)

They signed a right back and apparently evra wants to go back to monaco

 I think he will stay though tbh
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 08, 2013, 04:53:53 PM
He's been listed as back up for both flanks (although the back up is the most telling part of that sentance i suppose)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Thom on June 08, 2013, 04:57:18 PM
Baines isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Eddie on June 08, 2013, 04:57:44 PM
Ill be gutted if this is true. But as someone said if its going to happen let's just get it done and re-invest in the squad. If we are to push on under RM and get top 4 we need to keep our best players. Being realistic though if one of the worlds top clubs come in for the likes of Baines with the promise of trophies and more money etc. the chances are we're going to lose them.

Looking on the bright side the squad is in real need of some depth. Getting a large windfall for Baines and maybe Fellaini will allow us to get that. And who's to say the replacements wouldn't ultimately do as good a job.

If Baines was to goto Utd I wouldn't mind seeing that Butner kid come our way on a season long loan. From what I've seen he's pacey with a good attacking mind. Not sure about him defensively though. Either way we'd need a new left back.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 08, 2013, 05:01:40 PM
if martinez plays a back three, id have confidence in oviedo playing as an attacking left back..
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: phillyt on June 08, 2013, 05:02:02 PM
I heard the opposite, that moyes tried to take him and he said he wanted to stay. As did jags. Fellaini said he didn't want to go with moyes. I dont think any of them will take much convincing to give martinez a season. Although felli may be sold as he is worth the most and was less commital than the others. Info came from ex  employee at FF/goodison who still speaks with people there.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2013, 05:29:47 PM
There's no guarantee that Martinez will play 3 at the back.

Also sure we only paid £1.5m for Oviedo.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2013, 05:36:26 PM
There's no guarantee that Martinez will play 3 at the back.

Also sure we only paid £1.5m for Oviedo.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19423536 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19423536)

Up to 5 mill according to the Beeb. That's nearly what we paid for Baines. Was a lot of money for a player used seldom, but we did the same thing with Baines too.

As for what Philyt says, that makes most sense, except I'm not sure I believe Fellaini would rather stay at Everton compared to Utd.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: AidyEFC9 on June 08, 2013, 05:50:22 PM
if martinez plays a back three, id have confidence in oviedo playing as an attacking left back..


Why are people under the assumption that Martinez will play 3-4-3 or 3-5-2?!. He admitted that at Wigan for the past 2 seasons he used them formations to suit the personnel he had available and to try and stop shipping goals!.

He'll use whatever formations suits our personnel and tbh, with the players we've got, he can play 3 or 4 at the back!.

But for some reason i think he'll go back to playing 4-2-3-1 like he started out with at Swansea & Wigan but then mix it depending on certain games and way games are panning out.

As for the original thread, I think Baines will stay unless United offer a proper amount to us and IF Baines makes a point of wanting to leave for CL footy, which I don't think he will and that's why he'll end up staying.

I do think Felli will leave though, and for United. Get £24m, give Standard what there owed and go out and replace him with Fer and then buy a decent striker and with what little kitty Martinez had originally, buy some decent squad fillers of the likes of de Guzman, McManaman, Cheryshev or loans?!.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Danny on June 08, 2013, 05:53:14 PM
I don't really mind that much if we lose these players but i'd definately rather they go now, Martinez needs as long as possible to make sure he signs the right replacements.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 08, 2013, 05:53:28 PM
I've heard that a deal for baines with united is almost done. Everton wanting around 19 million + addons, utd willing to pay 16.

Hoping to tie it up this week.

Didn't you tell us that Holtby was deffo joining us?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2013, 05:59:41 PM
Baines isn't going anywhere.

I get the feeling you are saying this more in denial rather than you actually knowing this to be fact!
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2013, 06:01:21 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19423536 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19423536)

Up to 5 mill according to the Beeb. That's nearly what we paid for Baines. Was a lot of money for a player used seldom, but we did the same thing with Baines too.

As for what Philyt says, that makes most sense, except I'm not sure I believe Fellaini would rather stay at Everton compared to Utd.

Sure it was reported somewhere else that that wasn't near the actual figure.

Polledreng as well said it was less from what they'd submitted to the Danish stock exchange.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: evertonarntwe on June 08, 2013, 06:09:59 PM
baines is staying. if he does want to go though let him he deserves a shot in the champions league he is 28/29 after all... aslong as roberto is sensible with his money and doesnt start bringing in figueora and alcarez
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2013, 06:21:59 PM
I'd rather we only sold one of our assets (pref Fellaini), as we don't know what Martinez is like with a huge war chest. Would rather him have only 20 million compared to 40 million.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: gwells on June 08, 2013, 06:30:32 PM
Baines is a great fan of Martinez given some of the statements coming from him I expect he will be happy to sign a contract extension. I think Felli will stay also.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Shogun on June 08, 2013, 06:32:34 PM
Fortunately Dejo has a shit track record.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 08, 2013, 06:37:12 PM
I'd rather we only sold one of our assets (pref Fellaini), as we don't know what Martinez is like with a huge war chest. Would rather him have only 20 million compared to 40 million.

A million times this.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2013, 06:38:44 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19423536 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19423536)

Up to 5 mill according to the Beeb. That's nearly what we paid for Baines. Was a lot of money for a player used seldom, but we did the same thing with Baines too.

As for what Philyt says, that makes most sense, except I'm not sure I believe Fellaini would rather stay at Everton compared to Utd.
there is a reason they are called beeb ...  bob ballooo know nothing. We payed around the 1,5 mill GLewis is talking about.(In fact we didn't pay as mutch)  And this doesn't come from an ITK or a fucking journo from the BBC. It's from an Chartered Accountant looking trough FC Copenhagens accounts and FC Copenhagens Stock Account Announcment. How the hell can people think we would pay 5 mill. for a player with less than 1 year left on his contract.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 08, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
there is a reason they are called beeb ...  bob ballooo know nothing. We payed around the 1,5 mill GLewis is talking about.(In fact we didn't pay as mutch)  And this doesn't come from an ITK or a fucking journo from the BBC. It's from an Chartered Accountant looking trough FC Copenhagens accounts and FC Copenhagens Stock Account Announcment. How the hell can people think we would pay 5 mill. for a player with less than 1 year left on his contract.

Would that not be the down payment though mate?
With the rest as bonus payments?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2013, 06:42:05 PM
Sure it was reported somewhere else that that wasn't near the actual figure.

Polledreng as well said it was less from what they'd submitted to the Danish stock exchange.
Sorry ... didn't see that answer before I answered  Blargins. Still don't get why people would believe we were willing to pay 5 mill. for Oviedo, when his contract was running on it's last year.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2013, 06:42:11 PM
there is a reason they are called beeb ...  bob ballooo know nothing. We payed around the 1,5 mill GLewis is talking about.(In fact we didn't pay as mutch)  And this doesn't come from an ITK or a fucking journo from the BBC. It's from an Chartered Accountant looking trough FC Copenhagens accounts and FC Copenhagens Stock Account Announcment. How the hell can people think we would pay 5 mill. for a player with less than 1 year left on his contract.

Ok, fair enough. Calm down.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2013, 06:43:24 PM
there is a reason they are called beeb ...  bob ballooo know nothing. We payed around the 1,5 mill GLewis is talking about.(In fact we didn't pay as mutch)  And this doesn't come from an ITK or a fucking journo from the BBC. It's from an Chartered Accountant looking trough FC Copenhagens accounts and FC Copenhagens Stock Account Announcment. How the hell can people think we would pay 5 mill. for a player with less than 1 year left on his contract.

No way it was like 1.5 up front and the rest in instalments?

Regardless; Im happy to see him given a go as Baines replacement if he leaves
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 08, 2013, 06:48:47 PM
I never heard the £5m figure befoer this thread.
I was always under the impression it was £3.5m
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2013, 06:51:51 PM
No way it was like 1.5 up front and the rest in instalments?

Regardless; Im happy to see him given a go as Baines replacement if he leaves
Nope - only the british media are reporting that. The accounts is based on all instalments. Even the danish papers hasn't been quoting that figure never ever. And you still think we would give 5 mill for a player in his last year ?
FC Copenhagen as a company on the danish stock exchange can't give false information - if so they would be in serious trouble.  Agree with your last point though. He ain't a bad player
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2013, 06:52:38 PM
Ok, fair enough. Calm down.
I am - my bad english makes me sound uncalm .... probably like you on a french forum  ;)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: phillyt on June 08, 2013, 06:53:43 PM
Blargs, I got the impression it was more he didn't want to go with moyes. Although he is inclined to stay he is also happy enough if the club take the money for him. This was second hand info so I can't be saying I understood it 100% as it was meant.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 08, 2013, 06:53:57 PM
That false information though - they also cant include future revenue based on appearances for example in a years accounts. Because its not guaranteed.
They can only register monies received.

But again, i agree we didnt pay/wont end up paying £5m for him
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 08, 2013, 06:55:02 PM
I am - my bad english makes me sound uncalm .... probably like you on a french forum  ;)

That and the fact you constantly suggest that everyone expect you is stupid.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
Typically like us it sounds like it was a structured deal. 1.5m up front rising to a potential 3.96m I have just researched Mick :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: charlatan on June 08, 2013, 07:05:33 PM
He's been listed as back up for both flanks (although the back up is the most telling part of that sentance i suppose)

Moyes still buying utility players at the biggest club in world lolol
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2013, 07:05:39 PM
I am - my bad english makes me sound uncalm .... probably like you on a french forum  ;)

lol oui. I checked the os and it said undisclosed fee, so no one in the press really knows.

Blargs, I got the impression it was more he didn't want to go with moyes. Although he is inclined to stay he is also happy enough if the club take the money for him. This was second hand info so I can't be saying I understood it 100% as it was meant.

Not doubting you mate. Just surprised is all. I thought Moyes was a big reason he stayed for so long.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2013, 07:14:59 PM
That and the fact you constantly suggest that everyone expect you is stupid.
expect me to be stupid .. or except  ;)  If it's the latter you are wrong... I've never read anything stupid from Silas, Thom, GLewis  and you among others.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2013, 07:15:59 PM
I just can't see that none of Baines, Jags or Felli would want to go to Utd.

All Baines' interviews over the last year have been basically sayin that he'd like to play CL football but the offer would have to be right for the club.

For both he and Jags this is probably their last chance o a CL move.

Would they really not take it just for 1 year with RM?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blueToffee on June 08, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
I just can't see that none of Baines, Jags or Felli would want to go to Utd.

All Baines' interviews over the last year have been basically sayin that he'd like to play CL football but the offer would have to be right for the club.

For both he and Jags this is probably their last chance o a CL move.

Would they really not take it just for 1 year with RM?

All of our players would go to Man Utd if an actual offer came in. And we'd sell as long as it wasn't a derisory offer.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2013, 07:19:54 PM
I just can't see that none of Baines, Jags or Felli would want to go to Utd.

All Baines' interviews over the last year have been basically sayin that he'd like to play CL football but the offer would have to be right for the club.

For both he and Jags this is probably their last chance o a CL move.

Would they really not take it just for 1 year with RM?

I'm not sure any offers will come in for Jags. But Fellaini seems highly like to leave. Baines is 29 this year, he has like 3 or 4 years in his prime if he's gonna make a move and win something in his career, realistically he has to do it pretty soon. If united come in for him he probably wouldnt even have to move house
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2013, 07:21:40 PM
All of players would go to Man Utd if an actual offer came in.

This.

And I'd share Blarg's suspicions about them not goin there because of Moyes.

All 3 could have left us for CL clubs in the past 3-4 years. Why would they stay with a manager they dislike so much that they wouldn't sign for Utd because he's there?!
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 08, 2013, 07:24:09 PM
expect me to be stupid .. or except  ;)  If it's the latter you are wrong... I've never read anything stupid from Silas, Thom, GLewis  and you among others.

Except. Just a little observation over recent weeks. I think I noticed more after you were so bold as to suggest your son, when knowing his history, would beat 99% of scousers. Very bold to say the least, if not slightly insulting as well.  ;)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blueToffee on June 08, 2013, 07:32:52 PM
Really if we wanted to recoup any sort of fee for Baines then we're running out of time to do it. My worry is that Moyes isn't finding us a new defensive player, it's Martinez...and who knows what that means.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: phillyt on June 08, 2013, 07:52:16 PM
This.

And I'd share Blarg's suspicions about them not goin there because of Moyes.

All 3 could have left us for CL clubs in the past 3-4 years. Why would they stay with a manager they dislike so much that they wouldn't sign for Utd because he's there?!
Baines and jags want to to stay at Everton. I was told this before martinez confirmed and jags was confirmed as captain.

It's felli that was more not wanting to follow moyes than stay at everton.  Moyes asking them and them all saying no was stated as fact to me. The rest I'm reading between the lines a bit.   They all do have the utmost respect for moyes but jags and baines are both in good places regards england, they are also aware of what happened with lescott when he went to city (regarding England) felli is happy at everton but would also be ok with a new challenge, maybe going with the same manager wouldn't represent that.  Again his international chances are not being harmed by him being here
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2013, 07:58:27 PM
Except. Just a little observation over recent weeks. I think I noticed more after you were so bold as to suggest your son, when knowing his history, would beat 99% of scousers. Very bold to say the least, if not slightly insulting as well.  ;)
I think the one insulting was the one claming you had to be a scouser to know our history.  My best friend has had a season ticket for almost 40 years - he claims my son know more about Everton than any Evertonian he has ever meet.(I haven't meet any aswell)  ;) And by the way .. my son is an adult going to Liverpool at least 5 times a year + watching the blues in London. If you thought he was 7 then I can see why you think I was insulting. That wasn't my purpose. And for the record  I think I hold the record for most  :thumbsup:  or  "this"
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 08, 2013, 08:03:50 PM
Fortunately Dejo has a shit track record.

actually probably the best track record for ITK's.. but can't be assed getting into that battle again.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: griff969 on June 08, 2013, 08:05:02 PM
Of course I could see any of our players wanting CL football, Baines included. What does not ring true are the prices being quoted. Utd offer £16 million with add ons, and Everton wanting £19 million??

Jordan Henderson was £20 million was he not? Joe Allen? Carroll? Downing?

Man Utd are slightly more fluid than the RS too, and they paid how much for Van Persie as a 29 year old? 

Man City paid £12 million for Rodwell, £30 million for some Brazilian midfielder in the last few days too.

How is Baines only worth £19 million? How many assists does he provide from full back? Add penalty taker, free kicks, a fantastic injury free record into the pot, and he is an England international too.

Baines has to be worth £25 million on the open market today.  Time will tell of course by why sell Baines for a little more than Rodwell? Makes no sense to me!

Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2013, 08:05:47 PM
actually probably the best track record for ITK's.. but can't be assed getting into that battle again.
at least I can't remember you said Holtby was a sure thing.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2013, 08:06:55 PM
actually probably the best track record for ITK's.. but can't be assed getting into that battle again.

Well perhaps Verm can include you on the ITK thread with a clean slate

Dejo85 says Baines to United is on.  We can see by the end of the summer how you compare to Lcab, Shorty and Fourth Official...I think thats fair enough?

None of them have said that it is happening, so if it does happen I promise I will back u up! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Silas on June 08, 2013, 08:08:37 PM
Yeah that sounds fair.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2013, 08:10:06 PM
Of course I could see any of our players wanting CL football, Baines included. What does not ring true are the prices being quoted. Utd offer £16 million with add ons, and Everton wanting £19 million??

Jordan Henderson was £20 million was he not? Joe Allen? Carroll? Downing?

Man Utd are slightly more fluid than the RS too, and they paid how much for Van Persie as a 29 year old? 

Man City paid £12 million for Rodwell, £30 million for some Brazilian midfielder in the last few days too.

How is Baines only worth £19 million? How many assists does he provide from full back? Add penalty taker, free kicks, a fantastic injury free record into the pot, and he is an England international too.

Baines has to be worth £25 million on the open market today.  Time will tell of course by why sell Baines for a little more than Rodwell? Makes no sense to me!



Man City and Liverpool are mugs in the transfer market though.  The 'if x is worth this then y must be worth this' theory isn't a solid one

Most those players are younger than Baines.  And with Van Persie, although he's older, strikers like him who guarantee you shit loads of goals tend to go for more than left backs, no matter how good they may be
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 08, 2013, 08:13:04 PM
Well perhaps Verm can include you on the ITK thread with a clean slate

Dejo85 says Baines to United is on.  We can see by the end of the summer how you compare to Lcab, Shorty and Fourth Official...I think thats fair enough?

None of them have said that it is happening, so if it does happen I promise I will back u up! :thumbsup:

More than fair. However it's rare that i hear anything related to everton. If anyone cares about other non-efc rumours perhaps i should post them to gain some points.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 08, 2013, 08:13:18 PM
I think the one insulting was the one claming you had to be a scouser to know our history.  My best friend has had a season ticket for almost 40 years - he claims my son know more about Everton than any Evertonian he has ever meet.(I haven't meet any aswell)  ;) And by the way .. my son is an adult going to Liverpool at least 5 times a year + watching the blues in London. If you thought he was 7 then I can see why you think I was insulting. That wasn't my purpose.

I wasn't offfended, but I'm not scouse. I just think it's wrong to suggest that he knows more than 99% of Evertonians, let alone Scouse Evertonians, who generally are regarded as very knowledgeable fans. Which kind of ironically gets back to my original point.  ;)

And for the record  I think I hold the record for most  :thumbsup:  or  "this"

 :thumbsup: This.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2013, 08:25:06 PM

I wasn't offfended, but I'm not scouse. I just think it's wrong to suggest that he knows more than 99% of Evertonians, let alone Scouse Evertonians, who generally are regarded as very knowledgeable fans. Which kind of ironically gets back to my original point.  ;)

 :thumbsup: This.
[/quote]Ok I will try to behave.  ;)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2013, 08:33:03 PM
Baines and jags want to to stay at Everton. I was told this before martinez confirmed and jags was confirmed as captain.

It's felli that was more not wanting to follow moyes than stay at everton.  Moyes asking them and them all saying no was stated as fact to me. The rest I'm reading between the lines a bit.   They all do have the utmost respect for moyes but jags and baines are both in good places regards england, they are also aware of what happened with lescott when he went to city (regarding England) felli is happy at everton but would also be ok with a new challenge, maybe going with the same manager wouldn't represent that.  Again his international chances are not being harmed by him being here

Not disputing what you were told mate; just can't see it being true!

Would Jags and Baines care about 5-10 more England caps in comparison to winning some medals, or at least the chance to win some and play in the CL?

Or if they do you'd have to question their ambition.

As I said; I'm not doubting you I'd just be very surprised if it were true.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: griff969 on June 08, 2013, 08:38:47 PM
Man City and Liverpool are mugs in the transfer market though.  The 'if x is worth this then y must be worth this' theory isn't a solid one

Agreed, so then we need to drag out the process and get a bidding war then with clubs who will pay the proper value. I cannot see other CL clubs not being interested in Baines, if he wants to go.  

Of course he is worth what we are prepared to accept, but like any purchase he will have a market value. You say strikers guarantee you loads of goals, but if you have quality forwards to convert then so does Baines with his assists. He is almost unique for a defender in that respect.

Kenwright can rightly get blamed for many things, but rarely does he let a player go for less than he is worth. In my opinion any figure less than £25 million is too low.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2013, 08:41:33 PM
Man City and Liverpool are mugs in the transfer market though.  The 'if x is worth this then y must be worth this' theory isn't a solid one

Agreed, so then we need to drag out the process and get a bidding war then with clubs who will pay the proper value. I cannot see other CL clubs not being interested in Baines, if he wants to go. 

Of course he is worth what we are prepared to accept, but like any purchase he will have a market value. You say strikers guarantee you loads of goals, but if you have quality forwards to convert then so does Baines with his assists. He is almost unique for a defender in that respect.

Kenwright can rightly get blamed for many things, but rarely does he let a player go for less than he is worth. In my opinion any figure less than £25 million is too low.

What are the highest fees for a full back?

Baines is 28 I can't see anyone offering north of £20m, if that.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: phillyt on June 08, 2013, 08:49:59 PM
Not disputing what you were told mate; just can't see it being true!

Would Jags and Baines care about 5-10 more England caps in comparison to winning some medals, or at least the chance to win some and play in the CL?

Or if they do you'd have to question their ambition.

As I said; I'm not doubting you I'd just be very surprised if it were true.

The way I see it is showing loyalty to Everton. Not a lack of ambition, I suspect they also feel as many do that we are not too far off getting into the CL and are prepared to give martinez a chance. I have little doubt that should we be struggling come Christmas they would possibly start letting ambition overtake loyalty. But in a world cup year its fair to say both jags and baines careers are in a good place. That is why they want o stay.   The guy who told me isn't known for beingva blagger or wind up so in my mind at least those two are staying. The only reason I bought it up was to counter the original posters assertion that it was a done deal.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 08, 2013, 08:50:41 PM
I can't see Baines being worth much more than about £15m, great player though he is?

Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2013, 08:56:33 PM
The way I see it is showing loyalty to Everton. Not a lack of ambition, I suspect they also feel as many do that we are not too far off getting into the CL and are prepared to give martinez a chance. I have little doubt that should we be struggling come Christmas they would possibly start letting ambition overtake loyalty. But in a world cup year its fair to say both jags and baines careers are in a good place. That is why they want o stay.   The guy who told me isn't known for beingva blagger or wind up so in my mind at least those two are staying. The only reason I bought it up was to counter the original posters assertion that it was a done deal.

Fair enough!

I'd just think that they'd think that for all being close like last season we finished 10 points off 4th.

If they weren't 28 & 30 then yeah I could see them thinking they'd see how it panned out with us.

Anyway; I don't know why I'm arguing this as I hope you're right, haha!
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2013, 08:59:29 PM
I can't see Baines being worth much more than about £15m, great player though he is?



It's a fine balance.

Above that we'd have done well (even if it would seem disappointing) below that and it starts to edge towards not being worth it.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 08, 2013, 09:03:22 PM
What are the highest fees for a full back?

Baines is 28 I can't see anyone offering north of £20m, if that.
If you believe these figures there are some expensive fullbacks  Most are CB but even seeing what some clubs have paid for full backs I agree with you that we won't get an offer north of 20m GBP  http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/07/15/2562976/thiago-silva-the-top-10-most-expensive-defenders-of-all-time (http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/07/15/2562976/thiago-silva-the-top-10-most-expensive-defenders-of-all-time)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 08, 2013, 09:04:03 PM
It's a fine balance.

Above that we'd have done well (even if it would seem disappointing) below that and it starts to edge towards not being worth it.

Yeah, I think that's right.

He can't really be compared to the fee Utd paid for RVP, Man City were after him as well, which puts the price up straight away and whoever got him knew they were taking a massive step in the title chase, even before a ball had been kicked. Strikers are generally worth more than defenders and one of the top strikers in the world is always going to be worth more than one of the top left backs in the world.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 08, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
Referring to yourself as an ITK is a bad bellend move.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: griff969 on June 08, 2013, 09:52:55 PM
I am sure I saw that the only full back in Europe with a higher assist figure in the last 5 years than Baines was Dani Alves.

In a team with more possession that Everton he will no doubt be even more productive. The quality Baines has going forward is not matched in the Premiership that is for sure, and at 28 he still has 5 or six years at the top left in him.

Baines gives you something that other full back simply do not, and therefore his value should be significantly higher.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 08, 2013, 10:08:57 PM
While Baines for me is quite possibly the best left back in the world, it is quite hard for us to realistically demand something like 30m for him. He has limited resale value given his age

Transfermarkt have him at 19.5m which seems about fair
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Amata on June 08, 2013, 10:20:37 PM
I personally think Man U will go for Luke Shaw and get 1-2 more years out of Evra. But if i'm wrong and they move for Baines, as much as I don't want to lose him, if he were to go for £17+mill i'd like to see us go all out for Shaw who is going to be a superb LB in the future but would also do a very good job right away.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 08, 2013, 11:09:05 PM
This the same done deal Jimmy announced this time last year?

Soon as I hear the phrase "Im hearing" I know its bullshit
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 08, 2013, 11:24:01 PM
I personally think Man U will go for Luke Shaw and get 1-2 more years out of Evra. But if i'm wrong and they move for Baines, as much as I don't want to lose him, if he were to go for £17+mill i'd like to see us go all out for Shaw who is going to be a superb LB in the future but would also do a very good job right away.

Yes I have thought that they'd like to keep Evra for a bit longer and then go for a younger player than Baines.

If Evra wants to leave now though that could force their hand a bit.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Danny on June 08, 2013, 11:40:53 PM
I personally think Man U will go for Luke Shaw and get 1-2 more years out of Evra. But if i'm wrong and they move for Baines, as much as I don't want to lose him, if he were to go for £17+mill i'd like to see us go all out for Shaw who is going to be a superb LB in the future but would also do a very good job right away.

Think Shaw would be out of our price range, can you see us spending 10+ million on him?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Thom on June 08, 2013, 11:42:09 PM
I get the feeling you are saying this more in denial rather than you actually knowing this to be fact!

Absolutely. ;)

We've heard this rumour for the best part of three years now though and it still hasn't occurred. Granted, you can argue it's more likely this time around as Moyes is United's manager, but I still feel like he wouldn't pay what he knows we'd ask for.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: toffee_scot on June 08, 2013, 11:45:49 PM
If there is one player I would hate to see leave it is Baines and I wouldn't accept £20m from Man Utd for him. I know every player has his price but considering he is in his prime and is one of the best left backs in the Premier League and perhaps up there with some of the best in Europe, then he should be worth more.

I just wonder about what Moyes' transfer policy will be at Man Utd, the fact that they have Evra, Ferdinand, Giggs, Vidic and Carrick all over 30 could suggest that he may want to bring in younger players around the 21-25 age bracket if he wants to create a team in his image of the future (or at least the next 6 years he is there). Not sure what other LB targets there are for Man Utd if Evra leaves and Baines stays at Everton but we'll see. 
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Amata on June 08, 2013, 11:59:06 PM
Think Shaw would be out of our price range, can you see us spending 10+ million on him?

If we sold Baines for £18mill and spent £12 mill on Shaw then we are still up £6mill with the benefit of signing a top prospect and probable future England International who could be worth more than double the price in a few years.  Also we could pretty much guarantee him first team football straight away which he wouldn't get at Chelsea, Man U, Man City etc.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 09, 2013, 12:03:08 AM
If we spend 10mil on a fucking left back Im gonna send a nailbomb to my own house
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 09, 2013, 12:04:46 AM
Even if Vic is better, which i dont think he is, Kone would provide good competition for places
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 09, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
Even if Vic is better, which i dont think he is, Kone would provide good competition for places

Not at left back.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 09, 2013, 12:10:43 AM
Not at left back.

Kinell, I do that way to much  :(
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 09, 2013, 12:12:45 AM
If we sold Baines for £18mill and spent £12 mill on Shaw then we are still up £6mill with the benefit of signing a top prospect and probable future England International who could be worth more than double the price in a few years.  Also we could pretty much guarantee him first team football straight away which he wouldn't get at Chelsea, Man U, Man City etc.

I think if we had no issues elsewhere in the squad then making such a signing for left back would make sense.

However we need that sort of investment in the spine of the team. I'm not sure it'd be wise to spend that amount on a promising left back.

Were we to sell Felli too then maybe we could be more specific with Baines' fee.

Otherwise I think one large fee will have to be spread thinly.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Silas on June 09, 2013, 12:14:14 AM
I would like see if Oviedo is capable enough first rather than spunk money unnecessarily on a left back.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 09, 2013, 12:20:30 AM
I would like see if Oviedo is capable enough first rather than spunk money unnecessarily on a left back.

I just think spending £10m+ on full backs is for teams/squads that only require fine tuning.

As much as Shaw looks like he's going to turn into a fine player you'd have to go a long way to convince most people that we wouldn't be better off buying two £5m players for the squad.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: riddick on June 09, 2013, 12:32:57 AM
quite literally the ONLY way i would even be not livid about baines leaving(he's my favorite current and second all-time to timmy cahill) would be if that money brought luke shaw in.  The end.  ANYONE else and i will be throwing things in my pram.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: howlin wolf on June 09, 2013, 12:48:17 AM
I don't know what's more laughable, the claim that a Baines deal is as good as done, or the fact that so many Evertonians are gullible enough to believe or repeat the rumour.

I'm not saying that Baines will definitely stay. I expect him to, but obviously there's a real possibility that he could end up at Old Trafford by August 31st if Moyes wants him strongly enough.

Would Everton have entered into talks to sell their star player before appointing a new manager ? I don't think so.

After Martinez's appointment, practically the first thing he said was that he's determined to hold on to Baines. Why on earth would he damage his credibility by saying that if he's already sanctioned a sale ? It makes no sense.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 09, 2013, 12:51:38 AM
quite literally the ONLY way i would even be not livid about baines leaving(he's my favorite current and second all-time to timmy cahill) would be if that money brought luke shaw in.  The end.  ANYONE else and i will be throwing things in my pram.

So if we bought a good midfielder and a good striker you wouldn't be happy?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 09, 2013, 02:16:31 AM
I would like see if Oviedo is capable enough first rather than spunk money unnecessarily on a left back.
He ain't no Baines - but capable he is. Would spend the money elsewhere aswell
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 09, 2013, 04:02:00 AM
actually probably the best track record for ITK's.. but can't be assed getting into that battle again.

Prove it. I think you're full of shit. Post us some juicy ITK about Everton or any other club to showcase your credentials.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Bluedylan on June 09, 2013, 04:12:36 AM
I think we'd be insane to sell Bainesy regardless of the price. He's undoubtedly one of the best left-backs in Europe. People say Cashley has been the best in the world, and Bainesy has easily been as good as him in the last few seasons, so I really don't think it's over-stating it to say Bainesy is one of the best in Europe in his position.

So whoever the replacement is will be a worse player, without question and so the team is weaker. Also Bainesy is amongst the highest chance creaters in Europe over the last few years, which is often statistically demonstrated by Opta etc from left back!

Also he loves the club, and has never agitated for a move (so far as we know) ever.

If we're going to sell to strengthen the team, which is regrettable, it's got to be Felli. He wants to leave, whether sooner or later and he is MUCH more replaceable in our team. It makes much more sense in teams of money, team unity and rebuilding.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dangermouse on June 12, 2013, 06:47:47 PM
I've heard that a deal for baines with united is almost done. Everton wanting around 19 million + addons, utd willing to pay 16.

Hoping to tie it up this week.

Still waiting......

Can't see it happening......
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: gwells on June 12, 2013, 06:51:33 PM
I can't see Jags, Baines or Fellaini leaving but expect Heitinga, Jelavic to go. would love Fer as an extra midfielder and a good stirker, wouldn't complain if Alcaraz came as back up but hoping Duffy will be given opportunity.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: bluenose27 on June 12, 2013, 07:40:56 PM
No chance of Fellani staying every chance Baines and Jelavic will stay. Guy who posted this is just speculating and if you read last years posts at this time he was saying the same thing.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Shogun on June 12, 2013, 10:13:04 PM


His son (According to the ever reliable Daily Mail):

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/12/article-2340205-1A46FBB0000005DC-871_306x556.jpg)


How did that happen? lolol
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on June 12, 2013, 10:16:26 PM
That photo reminded me, did Baines also play footy with his kids in Goodison after the last home game?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 12, 2013, 10:28:45 PM
Didn't realise Eden Hazard was that small
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 12, 2013, 10:30:07 PM
Looks like that's going to end up with a red card.

Studds clearly raised.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 12, 2013, 10:31:19 PM
Why's Baines dressed like Billy Casper outta KES?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Ross on June 13, 2013, 12:47:45 AM
Not sure about the shorts but the new home shirt looks good
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: charlatan on June 13, 2013, 12:50:58 AM
Not sure about the shorts but the new home shirt looks good

The new monstrosity of a badge doesnt look to big on it at least
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: plumber on June 13, 2013, 12:52:30 AM
Not sure about the shorts but the new home shirt looks good

I don't like the socks though.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mayor Farnum on June 13, 2013, 01:23:47 AM
Why's Baines dressed like Billy Casper outta KES?
lolol
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: The Analog Kid on June 13, 2013, 01:32:52 AM
I don't like the socks though.
The new monstrosity of a badge doesnt look to big on it at least
Not sure about the shorts but the new home shirt looks good

It's the boots that concern me, he's forgot to nail the studs in. He'll do himself a mischief.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: charlatan on June 13, 2013, 01:45:52 AM
It's the boots that concern me, he's forgot to nail the studs in. He'll do himself a mischief.

Won't need em on our "Rolls Royce" of a new pitch.  Maybe a set of Michelin's instead?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: billbones80 on June 13, 2013, 07:01:44 AM
Baines will sign a new contract. I believe in him.  :hail:
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Juanito on June 13, 2013, 01:46:31 PM
IF Baines wanted to go, as one of the best players in Europe I hope it would be at least 20 million. Although would still be hard for us. One replacement for half the price, I would like would be the impressive Celtic left back Emilio Izaguirre, also a year younger. But hope Baines stays.
Title: Re:
Post by: Bally on June 13, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
Baines' son is the one running behind him, some fucking proper hacks out there

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Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: BigWoodenSpoon on June 13, 2013, 06:42:25 PM
I think its interesting that bill kenwright has made some pretty big statements about outgoing transfers, something which i can't remember him doing that often.. "i told david not to take baines, not to call him" and "everyone knows the release clause we have in place" to me sounds alot like him trying to let everyone know 'i did everything i could to hold onto our players"



I kinda got that impression when he brought Martinez to the club.  He mentioned about consulting the fans, talking to some of the legends at the club, before going for Martinez.  In other words "I've done what's best, don't blame me if it goes tits up."
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 13, 2013, 07:20:42 PM
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/waiting.gif)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2013, 02:44:20 AM
My ex bird used to babysit his kids  :)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: cantoffee on June 14, 2013, 02:50:39 AM
My ex bird used to babysit his kids  :)

You saying Bainsy slipped your ex a length of his porridge chucker?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2013, 02:51:14 AM
You saying Bainsy slipped your ex a length of his porridge chucker?

Would of gladly let him
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Jonny on June 14, 2013, 05:17:48 AM
Nothing new really, we are going to make him our highest paid player to stay

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfers-leighton-baines-1951021? (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfers-leighton-baines-1951021?)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2013, 08:16:24 PM
Dekko you're full of shit lad
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: American Evertonian on June 14, 2013, 08:20:46 PM
Baines' son is the one running behind him, some fucking proper hacks out there

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Wait, I thought Baines' son was Eden Hazard. I know Baines is only a few years older, but stranger things have happened right?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on June 14, 2013, 08:22:52 PM
Dekko you're full of shit lad

What's he done?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: American Evertonian on June 14, 2013, 08:24:09 PM
What's he done?

He was the one who was the OP and said a deal was in place to take him to United and will be done very soon.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 14, 2013, 08:24:11 PM
What's he done?

I think he means Dejo?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2013, 08:25:13 PM
Did I say the wrong person?

Kinell
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 14, 2013, 08:28:55 PM
Oh dear.

Dejo has gone AWOL since I challenged him to back up his claim of ITK champion......
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 14, 2013, 08:32:32 PM
Oh dear.

Dejo has gone AWOL since I challenged him to back up his claim of ITK champion......

That tiny strand of credibility he has is looking like snapping at any moment.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2013, 08:34:45 PM
Not letting Jimmy get away with this aswell.

Second year in a row he's "heard" Baines going is a done deal  :)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 14, 2013, 08:39:50 PM
That tiny strand of credibility he has is looking like snapping at any moment.

Any credibility he had vanished when Holtby signed for spurs.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
Not letting Jimmy get away with this aswell.

Second year in a row he's "heard" Baines going is a done deal  :)
last year was off Michael Owens dad this year not done deal but "expected to leave" different person tho. Hope am wrong AGAIN ;D
Title: Re: Re: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 14, 2013, 08:47:13 PM
last year was off Michael Owens dad this year not done deal but "expected to leave" different person tho. Hope am wrong AGAIN ;D

Jimmy if you're gonna post this stuff you have to tell us who you're "hearing" it from
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 14, 2013, 08:54:03 PM
Any credibility he had vanished when Holtby signed for spurs.

I doubted him long before that one.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 14, 2013, 09:15:58 PM
I thought Owens dad would have been reliable........ alas he fell in a fountain in the pub with a glass of wine not long after!!!

Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 14, 2013, 09:26:10 PM
I doubted him long before that one.

I had a little look into previous Dejo posts. The only thing I could see that he got right was Gervinho to sign for Arsenal

Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 15, 2013, 12:46:07 AM
I had a little look into previous Dejo posts. The only thing I could see that he got right was Gervinho to sign for Arsenal

Maybe dejo is ILB in disguise.....
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Confucius on June 15, 2013, 01:20:56 AM
ILB is like Chuck Norris. he doesn't need a disguise, he just invisibles himself
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 16, 2013, 09:16:49 PM
Oh dear.

Dejo has gone AWOL since I challenged him to back up his claim of ITK champion......

General Football Chat / Sulley Muntari
ę on: January 09, 2011, 12:52:14 AM Ľ
Have heard he wants to move to tottenham or liverpool.. rumours are around that he will move to sunderland, but his agent would prefer he move to a club which will be definately in europe next year.

also, if no deal is reached towards the end of the transfer window, he will go out on loan, preferably to EPL, and wage contribution would be around 10-15k..

can't see why we would need another central player, anyone here take him?

he moved to sunderland about 2 weeks later on loan.. sunderland paid 18k a week towards his wages. he then went to milan, a champions league club.




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The Everton Forum / bendtner & adebayor definately not coming to EFC
ę on: December 23, 2010, 05:56:47 PM Ľ
Last time i posted ITK comments, was thrashed. Last night had drinks with my friend, and milked out some more info from him. These aren't his clients, but has on good authority the following is true.

Arsenal are trying to sign Gervinho, and Loic Remy, if either comes off, bendtner will leave on loan, but not to an english club. if it doesnt come off, he will stay. They also want Jan Vertonghen from ajax, and if that happens, Bendtner will go that way on loan.

obviously happened, and then bendter went out on loan..

Yakubus future is very uncertain. very quiet enquiries have been made, and his main goal is to get solid game time after so long injured, and revive his career. this wasn't talked about, but i think he is on the table, with key conditions being game time. This will lead to convesation with DM asking to game time or transfer.... I promise you this, offers will be made, and i can promise in the next 2 weeks, you will see leaked rumours on the appropiate sites

that was 2 weeks i think before yak left..

I get that things i have said were wrong too - but to be honest, the gap between a 'sure thing' being released in the media, and any type of ITK finding out is small.. usually you hear this type of thing when its still up in the air.. until pens to paper, nothing is confirmed.. and by that time, everyone knows about it.

Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 16, 2013, 09:23:41 PM
also - im still hearing the baines deal is being nutted out.. also heard that there is probably going to be some bids for coleman, with sunderland and stoke really keen.

Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 16, 2013, 09:29:47 PM
lol Coleman to Sunderland or Stoke. As if he'll go for that.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 16, 2013, 09:31:40 PM
lol Coleman to Sunderland or Stoke. As if he'll go for that.

i didn't say he would...?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Eddie on June 16, 2013, 09:33:23 PM
lol Coleman to Sunderland or Stoke. As if he'll go for that.

This. Two of the bleakest clubs in the PL that are nowhere near as good as us.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 16, 2013, 09:33:24 PM
i didn't say he would...?

Go chat your shit somewhere else lad.

Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 16, 2013, 09:54:01 PM
As good as done..............
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: American Evertonian on June 16, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
also - im still hearing the baines deal is being nutted out.. also heard that there is probably going to be some bids for coleman, with sunderland and stoke really keen.



How much is going to be nutted out for his services? £18m+
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Ross on June 16, 2013, 10:40:58 PM
Hang on!! Back the bus up, the most important bit of this thread has been overlooked completely.. Jimmy drinks in a fancy pub with a fountain!

Tell us Jim do cherubs pour your drinks from dolphins mouths?

Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Silas on June 16, 2013, 11:12:42 PM
Give the lad a chance the is am itk thread let's chuck the Coleman and Baines stuff in the
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 16, 2013, 11:49:48 PM
This thread is complete bollocks. All of those shouts on the other page were meant to back up the OP's low hanging ITK bollocks? They look like generic shouts I used to see on the teletext clubcall page back in the day the same shite we now see on the BBC "gossip" page.

Move along.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 17, 2013, 12:34:39 AM
Dejo, you are clearly not an itk. But that's fine!I'm quite happy to ride with you side by side into the 2013/2014 season as a fellow Evertonian!

Lets hope you are wrong about Baines, would love it if he stayed, and luckily your track record suggests that he might indeed be staying put!

COYB
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: steve81 on June 19, 2013, 08:42:26 PM
In other reports, it's suggested Everton will offer to make Baines their best-paid player in an attempt to stop him being lured to Manchester United by David Moyes.

Baines, 28, has two years left on a £44,000-a-week contract, and the Toffees are ready to offer him £65k per week to stay.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 19, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
In other reports, it's suggested Everton will offer to make Baines their best-paid player in an attempt to stop him being lured to Manchester United by David Moyes.

Baines, 28, has two years left on a £44,000-a-week contract, and the Toffees are ready to offer him £65k per week to stay.
Must be a new phantom  "Alan Smith bid" .. offer him a payraise after we have sold him  ;)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 19, 2013, 08:52:43 PM
In other reports, it's suggested Everton will offer to make Baines their best-paid player in an attempt to stop him being lured to Manchester United by David Moyes.

Baines, 28, has two years left on a £44,000-a-week contract, and the Toffees are ready to offer him £65k per week to stay.

Hes worth every penny of that 65k. Sign him up Bert lad.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 19, 2013, 09:44:06 PM
Christ, Heitinga isn't far off that wage. Absolutely Baines should be near it.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Danny on June 19, 2013, 10:04:52 PM
Even if Baines leaves now I wouldn't give Dejo any credit, he  said it was as good as done ages ago and it clearly wasn't. I could have told you that United would try to sign Baines the second Moyes got the United job.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2013, 10:09:24 PM
Is Baines really only on £44k a week? wow

Laughable when you see Carroll has just signed a £100k contract.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 19, 2013, 10:14:23 PM
Thing is like, Baines is on Holiday, as is Moyes. Seriously doubt anything will be getting done any time soon.

There's probably some interest from United, and through Chinese whispers its turned into "Baines as good as gone"
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: American Evertonian on June 19, 2013, 10:21:01 PM
Is Baines really only on £44k a week? wow

Laughable when you see Carroll has just signed a £100k contract.

Amazing we can keep hold of anyone when there is that big of a disparity between what we pay our best and what other clubs pay mediocre players.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Confucius on June 20, 2013, 01:41:08 AM
Amazing we can keep hold of anyone when there is that big of a disparity between what we pay our best and what other clubs pay mediocre players.

Amazing that Heitinga is on close to 60K if rumours are to be believed.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 20, 2013, 02:16:47 AM
Hasnt heitinga got a match the highest earner clause in his contract
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: American Evertonian on June 20, 2013, 03:18:39 AM
Hasnt heitinga got a match the highest earner clause in his contract

Something like that. Not sure if he has to match the highest earner or be within a certain % of him.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on June 20, 2013, 03:41:52 AM
Hasnt heitinga got a match the highest earner clause in his contract

You've gotta be shittin me
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 20, 2013, 03:49:29 AM
You've gotta be shittin me

I know you hate him Ram, but it's not his fault he has that Clause!we've had that in the past with Ferguson as well haven't we!stupid clause to put in someone's contract!
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 20, 2013, 04:24:44 AM
In reality non of us know the finer details of a player's contract.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Eddie on June 20, 2013, 04:34:41 AM
Hasnt heitinga got a match the highest earner clause in his contract

To be fair on him he was player of the season 11/12. Just went to shit last season after spending the summer with the Dutch.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on June 28, 2013, 09:57:35 PM
Still think this was a bullshit post? watch baines go for 18million..
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Ross on June 28, 2013, 10:02:29 PM
Still think this was a bullshit post? watch baines go for 18million..

Hardly ground breaking to say Baines is gone to Utd given that last year he was linked with them all summer and now the manager who worked and developed him for the past 6 years is now their boss.

Also he's not gone yet.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: chang on June 28, 2013, 10:03:04 PM
Still think this was a bullshit post? watch baines go for 18million..

It is three weeks since you said....

Quote
I've heard that a deal for baines with united is almost done. Everton wanting around 19 million + addons, utd willing to pay 16.

Hoping to tie it up this week.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 28, 2013, 10:03:37 PM
Still think this was a bullshit post?

Yes.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on June 28, 2013, 10:05:46 PM
It is three weeks since you said....


Which, we can safely assume was as much bullshit as they get.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Shogun on June 28, 2013, 10:20:42 PM
Still think this was a bullshit post? watch baines go for 18million..

It's a done deal yet we'd just rejected a bid. Boss ITK you.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Trowel on June 28, 2013, 10:31:03 PM
I don't mind people sticking their neck on the line claiming to be ITK (in fact I love it!), but to come back saying "I told you so" when you clearly and demonstrably didn't is downright embarrassing.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on June 28, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
I know you hate him Ram, but it's not his fault he has that Clause!we've had that in the past with Ferguson as well haven't we!stupid clause to put in someone's contract!
So stupid I'm sure it is untrue.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 28, 2013, 10:42:40 PM
Still think this was a bullshit post? watch baines go for 18million..

Yes. Now you're just pulling arbitrary figures out your arse to look credible.

Go away.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Tinga on June 28, 2013, 10:45:26 PM
Still think this was a bullshit post? watch baines go for 18million..

Fuck off you cunt.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 28, 2013, 10:46:02 PM
So stupid I'm sure it is untrue.

Especially as both Heitinga and Fellaini have both been rumoured to have this clause this summer.

Utter nonsense
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Bluenosebolt on June 28, 2013, 10:53:04 PM
I love Baines, Most Blues do but if we are offered 18 million I would take it. I know under Moyes we were horribly reliant on the Bainaar partnership, Most of our attacking started & finished on the left, Maybe we now have a manager able to make our playing style slightly less predictable. 18 million is a fair whack for us, I'm up for trusting Martinez with some funds to build his own team. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 28, 2013, 11:13:17 PM
It kind of makes sense if he did go for 18 mill now. But we would have to keep Fellaini until next summer. Two important players going in the summer would be too much to cope with. Plus if Fell has a great WC next year, we could start a bidding war.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 28, 2013, 11:14:29 PM
It kind of makes sense if he did go for 18 mill now. But we would have to keep Fellaini until next summer. Two important players going in the summer would be too much to cope with. Plus if Fell has a great WC next year, we could start a bidding war.

Unless he has a clause in his contract...
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 28, 2013, 11:28:06 PM
Unless he has a clause in his contract...

Either way, to lose both in one summer would create too many problems.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: GLewis on June 28, 2013, 11:33:01 PM
I love Baines, Most Blues do but if we are offered 18 million I would take it. I know under Moyes we were horribly reliant on the Bainaar partnership, Most of our attacking started & finished on the left, Maybe we now have a manager able to make our playing style slightly less predictable. 18 million is a fair whack for us, I'm up for trusting Martinez with some funds to build his own team. Just my opinion.

We'd started to balancing things out but yes, we did obviously rely on that side heavily.

Most of our play, even on the right was based around getting it wide and getting crosses in - Baines was/is vital to that.

Might our attacks be more central now? Maybe. If so, as you say, that may lessen out reliance on that outlet.

Obviously it'd still be better having Baines there (look at the way BarÁa use their full backs) but he won't be there one day whatever happens.

A big(ger) fee would certainly help any transition, obviously.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 28, 2013, 11:58:24 PM
Still think this was a bullshit post? watch baines go for 18million..

(http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/are%20you%20shtting%20me/grand/are-you-shtting-me-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-149.gif) (http://www.gifsforum.com/gif/32312)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: American Evertonian on June 29, 2013, 12:02:19 AM
I love Baines, Most Blues do but if we are offered 18 million I would take it. I know under Moyes we were horribly reliant on the Bainaar partnership, Most of our attacking started & finished on the left, Maybe we now have a manager able to make our playing style slightly less predictable. 18 million is a fair whack for us, I'm up for trusting Martinez with some funds to build his own team. Just my opinion.

Definitley would let him go for 18m quid assuming we then retain Felli. I'm more so just insulted if the 10-12m rumor is true. Kind of a slap in the face to us and Baines as we all know he is worth more than that.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Bluenosebolt on June 29, 2013, 12:24:19 AM
I would honestly hate Baines to leave, He really seems to have got us, The Loyalty, the ....Loyalty. In all Honesty 18 million for a 28-29 year old is bloody good business...Personally and professionally it would make sense to join the "bigger club" from all perspectives, I wish him all the best at man u, He has proved his worth for us, Leighton has given his all since he joined from Wigan, We as fans have to understand the progression felt from the player's agents / parents side for once. Also...We could have a rather large war chest to think about..sod man u for a sec..what would be best for our club with new ideas from a new perspective...

tbh...im on the brandy ere so please take everything I'm saying at arse value.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Silas on June 29, 2013, 12:52:12 AM
Not sure the abuse for Dejo is necessary.  It may well be nothing more than coincidence that United are interested but I don't think he is deserving the stick. 
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 29, 2013, 12:54:42 AM
Dejo. I'd probably not mention it again until its an actual done deal to avoid hatred!

And if it does become a done deal, gloating about it, instead of mourning the sale of the best left back in our history is so unEverton its unreal
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on June 29, 2013, 01:09:26 AM
Dejo. I'd probably not mention it again until its an actual done deal to avoid hatred!

And if it does become a done deal, gloating about it, instead of mourning the sale of the best left back in our history is so unEverton its unreal

And even if he is sold, the original "as good as done" claim was still bollocks.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: plumber on June 29, 2013, 01:16:10 AM
Not sure the abuse for Dejo is necessary.  It may well be nothing more than coincidence that United are interested but I don't think he is deserving the stick. 

You must be kidding.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2013, 02:46:29 AM
Not sure the abuse for Dejo is necessary.  It may well be nothing more than coincidence that United are interested but I don't think he is deserving the stick. 

The fact he's come back and attempted to gloat about is hardly going to endear him to anyone, that's up there with betting against you're own team.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2013, 02:49:02 AM
Yeah it's a cause he's so bullish about it.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on June 29, 2013, 05:32:02 AM
The fact he's come back and attempted to gloat about is hardly going to endear him to anyone, that's up there with betting against you're own team.

No, because betting against your own team is a perfectly sensible thing to do.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on June 29, 2013, 05:45:19 AM
No, because betting against your own team is a perfectly sensible thing to do.

Is it?

I've no idea whether your being sarcastic or not, but it's not something I'd ever do.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 29, 2013, 05:46:55 AM
I think he's being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 29, 2013, 05:48:57 AM
Is it?

I've no idea whether your being sarcastic or not, but it's not something I'd ever do.

In a way it is, because the pain of your team being beaten can be cured somewhat by financial reward!

Still it would be a hollow victory
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on June 29, 2013, 06:32:52 AM
Is it?

I've no idea whether your being sarcastic or not, but it's not something I'd ever do.

Well, of course it is.

If your team wins, you're chuffed and you don't give a shit about that fiver you've just lost.

If they lose, you can still drown your sorrows for free, at least it softened the blow somewhat.

If I started betting, I'd always bet against us.

But I know what you meant, just splitting hairs.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 29, 2013, 06:40:13 AM
Well, of course it is.

If your team wins, you're chuffed and you don't give a shit about that fiver you've just lost.

If they lose, you can still drown your sorrows for free, at least it softened the blow somewhat.

If I started betting, I'd always bet against us.

But I know what you meant, just splitting hairs.

I occasionally do bet against us. Its a win-win situation. Unless we draw...............
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: phillyt on June 29, 2013, 11:05:39 PM
Is it?

I've no idea whether your being sarcastic or not, but it's not something I'd ever do.

I regularly bet a couple of quid on the shite to win, on the face of it that is bad. But in reality im so fucking unlucky that if i bet on them to win its odds on they lose. So I'm doing a good thing. I did try the reverse with Everton once but it didn't work we got well beaten, so never again. I do bet for Everton when I go the match but normally silly odds bets. Closest I came was at home to spurs I had defoe to score first and us to win 3-2 with a few minutes to go we was 2 nil down ended up drawing 2 all stood to win about 300 quid on that but the gods of betting frowned upon my soul again, teasing me. The bastards.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: School of Science on June 29, 2013, 11:18:20 PM
Is it?

I've no idea whether your being sarcastic or not, but it's not something I'd ever do.

I'm in a Sky super six syndicate in work, there's 8 of us £10 a man each pay out to the winner, plus an old trophy  :P at the end of the season.

I admit shamefully I had us down to lose twice last season, man u and Chelsea away.  :blush:
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on June 29, 2013, 11:39:11 PM
I'm in a Sky super six syndicate in work, there's 8 of us £10 a man each pay out to the winner, plus an old trophy  :P at the end of the season.

I admit shamefully I had us down to lose twice last season, man u and Chelsea away.  :blush:

Well, if Everton are going to let you down, you may as well get something out of it :)

Would hold off on the away defeat bets this season though. We don't know how Martinez will handle these games. Instead bet on Utd away defeats to the big 3 ;)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: School of Science on June 29, 2013, 11:48:22 PM
Well, if Everton are going to let you down, you may as well get something out of it :)

Would hold off on the away defeat bets this season though. We don't know how Martinez will handle these games. Instead bet on Utd away defeats to the big 3 ;)

Haha will do. Done me no good anyway I never won the trophy.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on July 06, 2013, 07:51:24 PM
Just thought id respond to some of the comments on this thread.. Firstly, when i was young growing up in australia, i always loved football. Me and my dad would stay up watching premier league, and i genuinely don't know why, but we followed everton and fell in love. I supported everton from afar, and had an opportunity to move overseas, and chose the uk, largely due to my love of football, and everton.

After all of that, going to my first game at goodison was a religious experience. Probably something that can't be explained to someone who has grown up with the club, and gone to games week in and week out. We lost 6-1 to arsenal, and it was the best day of my life.

I do have someone who i catch up with now and then, who because of his position, i respect what he says about football. When we catch up, the whole conversation is about football, and i probe him about what he knows about our beloved club. What he tells me is possibly something he heard from another agent, or in the grape vine.. and i share it on here.

The last comment i made was a touch arrogant, when the bid for baines came through.. but it was also in response to the crowd of people who were saying 'baines will never leave, and moyes will never try and take him.. your full of shit..etc' those same people are now trying to rip it apart by saying 'anyone could have predicted that moyes would want baines etc. So due to that, i think its fair to be pissed off a touch.

Long story short, i love this club, and i dare say as much as most, if not all of you. Definately not going to post anymore things i hear from my mate, but just think the comments made are a touch harsh, im not some WUM, i just love this club, and love talking about it with other fans who are as passionate as me.

 
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dekko on July 06, 2013, 07:56:38 PM
Good. I guess u got the point. No more "my mate" said ... too much of that crap going on here and nothing is ever true.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Shogun on July 06, 2013, 07:59:09 PM
You said it was a done deal a month ago.

Since then Manchester United have had bids rejected and a week into the transfer window he's still an Everton player.

That's pretty much what is boils down too.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Cassius on July 06, 2013, 08:00:26 PM
Just thought id respond to some of the comments on this thread.. Firstly, when i was young growing up in australia, i always loved football. Me and my dad would stay up watching premier league, and i genuinely don't know why, but we followed everton and fell in love. I supported everton from afar, and had an opportunity to move overseas, and chose the uk, largely due to my love of football, and everton.

After all of that, going to my first game at goodison was a religious experience. Probably something that can't be explained to someone who has grown up with the club, and gone to games week in and week out. We lost 6-1 to arsenal, and it was the best day of my life.

I do have someone who i catch up with now and then, who because of his position, i respect what he says about football. When we catch up, the whole conversation is about football, and i probe him about what he knows about our beloved club. What he tells me is possibly something he heard from another agent, or in the grape vine.. and i share it on here.

The last comment i made was a touch arrogant, when the bid for baines came through.. but it was also in response to the crowd of people who were saying 'baines will never leave, and moyes will never try and take him.. your full of shit..etc' those same people are now trying to rip it apart by saying 'anyone could have predicted that moyes would want baines etc. So due to that, i think its fair to be pissed off a touch.

Long story short, i love this club, and i dare say as much as most, if not all of you. Definately not going to post anymore things i hear from my mate, but just think the comments made are a touch harsh, im not some WUM, i just love this club, and love talking about it with other fans who are as passionate as me.

 

Ah, you're Australian, that explains everything.

Did you enjoy the Lions' game this morning?


(I am joking of course, I have Australian family)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on July 06, 2013, 08:04:49 PM
Good. I guess u got the point. No more "my mate" said ... too much of that crap going on here and nothing is ever true.

my mates an agent.. for quality premier league players... i would think thats more likely to be true than most
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on July 06, 2013, 08:16:42 PM
my mates an agent.. for quality premier league players... i would think thats more likely to be true than most

Evidently not.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on July 06, 2013, 08:22:11 PM
Long story short, i love this club, and i dare say as much as most, if not all of you. Definately not going to post anymore things i hear from my mate, but just think the comments made are a touch harsh, im not some WUM, i just love this club, and love talking about it with other fans who are as passionate as me.

Fair enough, but your mate doesn't half talk some shite. Just don't listen to him, as an Evertonian you should know better than most how volatile and fragile transfer deals are, they can break down literally minutes before signing the contract. There's no such thing as a deal being "as good as done", it's either done and official or still up in the air.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 06, 2013, 08:25:15 PM
Take it easy Dejo.  I presume like the rest of us you hope you are actually wrong about Baines and he ends up staying!
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on July 06, 2013, 08:31:36 PM
Fair enough, but your mate doesn't half talk some shite. Just don't listen to him, as an Evertonian you should know better than most how volatile and fragile transfer deals are, they can break down literally minutes before signing the contract. There's no such thing as a deal being "as good as done", it's either done and official or still up in the air.

i probably took what he said too literally. It was along the lines of - "moyes has him as his no1 target, and baines wants to go with him. from what i've heard this deal will get tied up this week"
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on July 06, 2013, 08:32:54 PM
Take it easy Dejo.  I presume like the rest of us you hope you are actually wrong about Baines and he ends up staying!

i would hate baines to leave. I would be a touch more comfortable if he did leave and it was moyes spending the kitty, really unsure of RM with that kind of money
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Simon Paul on July 06, 2013, 08:38:24 PM
hate the way people have a go at someone for passing information on

[open question] if you'd been told something, would you pass it on?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on July 06, 2013, 08:44:04 PM
hate the way people have a go at someone for passing information on

[open question] if you'd been told something, would you pass it on?

to be fair, i get the cynicism. On the other hand, if i just wanted to get on here and wind people up, given my current reputation, i would probably create a new account. thats not my intention
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Ross on July 06, 2013, 08:55:55 PM
hate the way people have a go at someone for passing information on

[open question] if you'd been told something, would you pass it on?

I don't think people have so much of a problem with it, reading back the original post seemed to die down quickly. I think the problems occurred more after the second wave from Dejo where he seemed to take an arrogant stance when Utd had reportedly made an initial offer (quite a while after he announced it was a done deal) stating how he was right all along.

To be honest if he didn't claim to have a mate who's an agent I'd say its just been an educated guess in the hope it will increases his profile. But I'm not arsed either way the important thing is if Baines stays or goes really.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on July 06, 2013, 08:59:33 PM
Long week this mate.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on July 06, 2013, 09:02:45 PM
i probably took what he said too literally. It was along the lines of - "moyes has him as his no1 target, and baines wants to go with him. from what i've heard this deal will get tied up this week"

I fully believe that's what happened, I can even believe that your mate genuinely believed what he told you. But ask yourself this: "If I was in Moyes's position, would I reveal to an agent who my number one target is? Would I the fuck. I'd hint at several players without actually saying anything definite."
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: American Evertonian on July 06, 2013, 09:04:40 PM
Need some good news to clear the air
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on July 06, 2013, 09:06:07 PM
hate the way people have a go at someone for passing information on

[open question] if you'd been told something, would you pass it on?

Yeah, and I have done, as have you. But when someone proclaims its a done deal, then they deserve all the stick they get imo.

He could easily be making this up, at least tell us who the source is.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dejo85 on July 06, 2013, 09:14:59 PM
Yeah, and I have done, as have you. But when someone proclaims its a done deal, then they deserve all the stick they get imo.

He could easily be making this up, at least tell us who the source is.

I already have previously, unlike most people on here, i gave a name. He then got pestered relentlessly by a few people on here, and was pissed off a little because one of the things i said was about his client. After that, he really only tells me things which he has heard from other people, and deliberately doesn't talk to me about anything regarding his players.

In regards to baines, im not saying moyes spoke with him. He didnt. This guy is obviously heavily involved in football, and is not independent, he works at a sports management company now. so i would assume that rumours etc about transfers would be the bulk of their conversation.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: EighteenSeventyEight on July 06, 2013, 10:43:49 PM
lol
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 07, 2013, 02:03:51 AM
Bollocks
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: di_guyo on July 07, 2013, 02:10:05 AM
hate the way people have a go at someone for passing information on

[open question] if you'd been told something, would you pass it on?

I get what you're saying, Si. Yes, I would pass it on, but I think the issue is around how it's passed on. If it's shared as ITK information then it's asking for flack...but you can easily word it differently to caveat - 'I'm not sure of the reliability but thought I'd share that I've heard from someone that works in a sports management agency that a deal for Baines might be close'. Another problem though, is when you've proclaimed something beforehand, made out that your ITK and then even if you shared the info in such a way people would still just assume it's BS and give you shit for it...paying for earlier mistakes.

All said, I'm not going to dish out any stick, because I'm happy to hear the rumours regardless...makes it interesting.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Verm on July 07, 2013, 02:35:57 AM
hate the way people have a go at someone for passing information on

[open question] if you'd been told something, would you pass it on?

Not if it was such obvious bollocks.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 07, 2013, 02:51:31 AM
hate the way people have a go at someone for passing information on

[open question] if you'd been told something, would you pass it on?


 It depends if you are just attention seeking. I donít see the motivation for passing on such things.
 If I had a reliable source who gave me information I would be content to know it myself. If the information is correct it will see the light of day in good time.
 Like most things; the people who really know donít feel the need to share.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on July 07, 2013, 03:17:38 AM
It depends if you are just attention seeking.

Can we please stop using this as an argument? This is a public forum, we're all attention seekers here. Otherwise, as you rightly point out, we'd keep our thoughts to ourselves. And lord knows we might well be better off if we did.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Verm on July 07, 2013, 03:20:59 AM
Can we please stop using this as an argument? This is a public forum, we're all attention seekers here. Otherwise, as you rightly point out, we'd keep our thoughts to ourselves. And lord knows we might well be better off if we did.

You know what he means..
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 07, 2013, 03:26:31 AM
Can we please stop using this as an argument? This is a public forum, we're all attention seekers here. Otherwise, as you rightly point out, we'd keep our thoughts to ourselves. And lord knows we might well be better off if we did.

There is a difference bewteen adding your opinion to a debate and pretending to have information that the vast majority of people who read the forum would like to be privy to. 
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on July 07, 2013, 03:43:37 AM
There is a difference bewteen adding your opinion to a debate and pretending to have information that the vast majority of people who read the forum would like to be privy to. 

How do you know it's pretending? Sure if someone makes stuff up then what you say is true but dejo already named his source, didn't he.

If you heard something about Everton that you know would interest your fellow supporters, would you not pass it on? I know I would. Or maybe not because then someone would inevitably accuse me of making it up.

And as for opinions, they aren't all they're cracked up to be. 99% of what's being said here is worthless drivel and that goes for pretty much every single poster, myself included.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 07, 2013, 03:52:55 AM
If you heard something about Everton that you know would interest your fellow supporters, would you not pass it on?

 No, I wouldnít. However, I am not ever likely to receive that kind of information. But my attitude stands.  Those who know donít feel the need to share. 
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on July 07, 2013, 04:34:49 AM
No, I wouldnít. However, I am not ever likely to receive that kind of information. But my attitude stands.  Those who know donít feel the need to share.

But that's the attitude of an utter cunt. If at work I had a person with that attitude on my team, I'd get rid of them, no matter how much they know, cause they're just not worth the trouble they cause.

I may not be in the know about Everton but I do know a lot of other stuff and when I know something I suspect others are willing to know about, I'm quite happy to share. Not because I want them to admire me but because I genuinely believe it makes them happy.

Actually I heard a brilliant joke once that describes these kinds of situations. It was truly hilarious. I'm not going to tell you the joke but trust me, you'd piss yourself laughing if I did.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: EighteenSeventyEight on July 07, 2013, 04:44:18 AM
not the best bit of info if its is a month since the first post is it so cant really complain that people are giving him stick so ?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on July 07, 2013, 05:04:20 AM
I shared my Baines info and people though I was lying, despite it being what most of us believe :(
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Major Clanger on July 07, 2013, 05:06:14 AM
I shared my Baines info and people though I was lying, despite it being what most of us believe :(

Don't convey information, just chat bollocks and then defend it by saying it's only an opinion. :)
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on July 07, 2013, 05:07:28 AM
Don't convey information, just chat bollocks and then defend it by saying it's only an opinion. :)

Been doing that for 3 years on here and look where that's got me, fucking -29
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Confucius on July 07, 2013, 12:23:51 PM
There is a difference bewteen adding your opinion to a debate and pretending to have information that the vast majority of people who read the forum would like to be privy to.
.

Don't worry Mayor, I just think its that time of the month for MC. Somebody stole his wine gums I reckon.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Polledreng on July 07, 2013, 03:33:19 PM
Been doing that for 3 years on here and look where that's got me, fucking -29
Seems that your are on a good run now - Your karma is up to -25  :thumbsup:   
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Silas on July 07, 2013, 04:52:58 PM
Cynicism is natural but it doesn't make everyone automatically liars.  Even if someone is wrong their intentions may be genuine.

This place would be friggin desolate if people never spoke about what they hear.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: dangermouse on July 07, 2013, 05:07:28 PM
But that's the attitude of an utter cunt. If at work I had a person with that attitude on my team, I'd get rid of them, no matter how much they know, cause they're just not worth the trouble they cause.

I may not be in the know about Everton but I do know a lot of other stuff and when I know something I suspect others are willing to know about, I'm quite happy to share. Not because I want them to admire me but because I genuinely believe it makes them happy.

Actually I heard a brilliant joke once that describes these kinds of situations. It was truly hilarious. I'm not going to tell you the joke but trust me, you'd piss yourself laughing if I did.

Some people get paid for what they know.... So its not in their best interests to share everything.......
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on July 07, 2013, 05:34:21 PM
Seems that your are on a good run now - Your karma is up to -25  :thumbsup:   

Amazingly, he is number 1 in the likes received charts.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: nubiblue on July 07, 2013, 10:54:12 PM
My first post (yet again, I've had to re-register, not used a forum for sometime)

the problem with the ITK "You've heard it first, done deal" is that anyone can post it without providing a shred of evidence or hint. I remember every transfer window it was "done deal for Rodwell, shipped off to Utd, 1 minute to close of deadline" and where did he end up? Manchester City.

I'm really sorry that Dejo is getting it in the neck, but because someone is in the game doesn't mean that they know what's happening. Now I don't know if Baines will go. I'm pretty certain (as in this in my opinion, not fact) that a deal has not been done, but lets at least look at the evidence.

Last summer amid all the speculation about him leaving Baines said, Utd are a good side, but so are Everton.

This summer, Baines approved of Martinez even before Martinez was appointed.  Baines further went onto endorse Martinez appointment. Now footballers can be liars, but on the basis of that evidence, I would expect Baines to stay. But I'm not an ITK, I'm not in possession of the facts, so we'll have to wait.

But I do know that there is no "done deal" or Baines would not be going to Austria this week.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Silas on July 07, 2013, 11:05:33 PM
My first post (yet again, I've had to re-register, not used a forum for sometime)

the problem with the ITK "You've heard it first, done deal" is that anyone can post it without providing a shred of evidence or hint. I remember every transfer window it was "done deal for Rodwell, shipped off to Utd, 1 minute to close of deadline" and where did he end up? Manchester City.

I'm really sorry that Dejo is getting it in the neck, but because someone is in the game doesn't mean that they know what's happening. Now I don't know if Baines will go. I'm pretty certain (as in this in my opinion, not fact) that a deal has not been done, but lets at least look at the evidence.

Last summer amid all the speculation about him leaving Baines said, Utd are a good side, but so are Everton.

This summer, Baines approved of Martinez even before Martinez was appointed.  Baines further went onto endorse Martinez appointment. Now footballers can be liars, but on the basis of that evidence, I would expect Baines to stay. But I'm not an ITK, I'm not in possession of the facts, so we'll have to wait.

But I do know that there is no "done deal" or Baines would not be going to Austria this week.


Welcome to the forum mate.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: plumber on July 08, 2013, 01:08:49 AM
The short summary of this edifying thread:

1.   Itís ok to pass on everything you had been told, but itís not recommended to use phrases like ďas good as doneď because you will look like a fool when your prediction will not prove out.

2.   Itís even worse to come back with a post ďStill think this was a bullshit post?ď 3 weeks later when the deal is still far from done.

3.   It doesnít help when you come back again a week later (when the deal is still not done) ant start snivelling about how blue you are and how nobody loves you.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: nubiblue on July 08, 2013, 03:03:43 AM
The short summary of this edifying thread:

1.   Itís ok to pass on everything you had been told, but itís not recommended to use phrases like ďas good as doneď because you will look like a fool when your prediction will not prove out.

2.   Itís even worse to come back with a post ďStill think this was a bullshit post?ď 3 weeks later when the deal is still far from done.

3.   It doesnít help when you come back again a week later (when the deal is still not done) ant start snivelling about how blue you are and how nobody loves you.

Exactamundo - couldn't have put it briefer myself
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 14, 2013, 06:21:30 PM
<coughs>
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Shogun on August 14, 2013, 06:28:18 PM
Shock horror.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 14, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Shock horror.

Unbelievable Jeff
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: blargins on August 14, 2013, 06:31:08 PM
<coughs>

Cover your mouth.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: The Analog Kid on August 14, 2013, 07:35:53 PM
Who brought this back from The Burrens?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 14, 2013, 07:38:31 PM
Who brought this back from The Burrens?

It never made it to Burrens

Yet.

I suspect it may migrate there on sept 1st..................
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Simon Paul on August 15, 2013, 06:28:46 AM
It never made it to Burrens

Yet.

I suspect it may migrate there on sept 1st..................

I have a strong suspicion you may be right!
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: phillyt on August 15, 2013, 06:01:03 PM
I still want my itk point on the other thread if baines and Felli stay.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: phillyt on September 03, 2013, 06:00:08 AM
I heard the opposite, that moyes tried to take him and he said he wanted to stay. As did jags. Fellaini said he didn't want to go with moyes. I dont think any of them will take much convincing to give martinez a season. Although felli may be sold as he is worth the most and was less commital than the others. Info came from ex  employee at FF/goodison who still speaks with people there.

2/3 aint bad.  New contract for everyone's favourite mod rocker now please.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on September 03, 2013, 06:05:39 AM
2/3 aint bad.  New contract for everyone's favourite mod rocker now please.

There was someone on here who said Baines would stay and a new contract would be in the offing once the madness had ended.

Cant remember who tho, think it was some handsome bastard.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 03, 2013, 06:16:06 AM
There was someone on here who said Baines would stay and a new contract would be in the offing once the madness had ended.

Cant remember who tho, think it was some handsome bastard.

I said fuck all.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Gash on September 03, 2013, 06:16:56 AM
Well this went well.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: Ross on September 03, 2013, 06:18:51 AM
Has he gone yet?... No not Baines, our arrogant ITK lolol
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 03, 2013, 06:20:17 AM
Where is Dejo, RAWK?
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: TheRam on September 03, 2013, 06:20:50 AM
Has he gone yet?... No not Baines, our arrogant ITK lolol

Im still here mate
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: phillyt on September 03, 2013, 07:03:38 AM
There was someone on here who said Baines would stay and a new contract would be in the offing once the madness had ended.

Cant remember who tho, think it was some handsome bastard.

I said it first tho. :-)

That said if your source is as you say it is, its probably more reliable than mine.
Title: Re: Baines deal as good as done
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 03, 2013, 02:36:34 PM
Can this thread finally be put out to graze in the Burrens field of fuck ups?