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Title: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 27, 2015, 09:13:58 PM
Can't be arsed to do a proper thread.

Keep your sarky comments to yourselves.

1-0 Giroud.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Gash on February 27, 2015, 10:06:32 PM
See this is what happens when someone gets promoted and they think they've made it.  :P
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on February 27, 2015, 10:12:19 PM
Charlie George.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on February 27, 2015, 11:50:33 PM
FFS, don't let Jimmy anywhere near this.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on February 28, 2015, 12:01:23 AM
ffs, shogs.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 28, 2015, 12:05:18 AM
Place. Dogs. Gone
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on February 28, 2015, 01:01:06 AM
Moyes out.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on February 28, 2015, 02:34:48 AM
The back four picks itself. We will need McCarthy and Barry too. We should set up for the counter attack. Mirallas on one side, Lennon on the other. The only dilemma is whether to start Barkley who will probably break from a little deeper and run with the ball, or let Gibson play the same role as Thursday further up the field picking out passes for our wingers.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GLewis on February 28, 2015, 02:45:19 AM
Might be too much to play Gibson again.

If we have 3 games in a week RM often likes to give the 3 players behind the striker two games each.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on February 28, 2015, 02:56:31 AM
What the fucks this?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 28, 2015, 03:05:42 AM
All I know about Arsenal is they always must finish 4th, so a draw best serves that master plan.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: velimski on February 28, 2015, 03:10:36 AM
3rd away game in a month for me.

Fancy a 1-1 draw.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: BrotherEstapol on February 28, 2015, 03:12:40 AM
Where's the match day thread money Bill?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 28, 2015, 02:17:52 PM
I'd just play like Marsellies.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on February 28, 2015, 02:38:21 PM
I'd just play like Marsellies.

You mean Monaco?

Marseilles lost 3-2 at home to Caen last night
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on February 28, 2015, 02:47:12 PM
Ha ha.. D'yer know what. As soon as i posted it i thought "I hope it was Marsellies" my problem is i never watch or pay much attention to football unless it's Everton, but i knew it was an 'M' team..
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on February 28, 2015, 05:18:35 PM
I dreamt that I just switched onto the game, and big Rom scored from the half way line. Except the opposition then changed to being Chelsea. And then big Rom started running around cheering, and seemed to have a woman's wig on. Next he had make up on. I don't understand what that dream was about.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 28, 2015, 05:24:36 PM
I dreamt that I just switched onto the game, and big Rom scored from the half way line. Except the opposition then changed to being Chelsea. And then big Rom started running around cheering, and seemed to have a woman's wig on. Next he had make up on. I don't understand what that dream was about.

Dr. Melfi would have a field day with you, blarg.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on February 28, 2015, 05:27:16 PM
It was a really good goal though.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 28, 2015, 05:46:00 PM
I dreamt that I just switched onto the game, and big Rom scored from the half way line. Except the opposition then changed to being Chelsea. And then big Rom started running around cheering, and seemed to have a woman's wig on. Next he had make up on. I don't understand what that dream was about.
Was he is blue and black or white and gold tho?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Tinga on February 28, 2015, 06:18:29 PM
I dreamt that I just switched onto the game, and big Rom scored from the half way line. Except the opposition then changed to being Chelsea. And then big Rom started running around cheering, and seemed to have a woman's wig on. Next he had make up on. I don't understand what that dream was about.

I think you might like black trannies but I'm not a professional.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on February 28, 2015, 06:23:20 PM
are we on the box tomorrow?

just checked. no.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on February 28, 2015, 06:32:44 PM
are we on the box tomorrow?

just checked. no.

Yeah BT blob.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on February 28, 2015, 06:36:23 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31572602 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31572602)

gives shogs a well deserved break :)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on February 28, 2015, 06:54:05 PM
Match on NBCSN for me, blarg, and everyone else watching from the frigid US.

The Shite getting hammered by City will make a fine breakfast appetizer.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on February 28, 2015, 07:07:17 PM
I think you might like black trannies but I'm not a professional.

So you don't have any links then?

Match on NBCSN for me, blarg, and everyone else watching from the frigid US.

The Shite getting hammered by City will make a fine breakfast appetizer.

I cancelled an appointment for this. I may regret that decision, but....
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on February 28, 2015, 09:54:50 PM
Vital we get at least a point here ,results today aren't doing us any favours. We could be 16th by tonight ffs
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on February 28, 2015, 09:56:05 PM
Vital we get at least a point here ,results today aren't doing us any favours. We could be 16th by tonight ffs

Results are going for us. Palace and West Brom (and Everton but I'll get moaned at) were never going to get relagated.

As long as Burnley and Villa don't win then there's no need for panic.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on February 28, 2015, 11:11:35 PM
Results are going for us. Palace and West Brom (and Everton but I'll get moaned at) were never going to get relagated.

As long as Burnley and Villa don't win then there's no need for panic.
..........I notice you don't mention the bottom club. If you were at Goodison last week you'll know how close we were to losing to Leicester at the death. We're too close to the drop zone is what I'm saying. I hope we don't need to beat Spurs on the last day with the Europa final 3 days later.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Alfie Noakes on March 01, 2015, 09:45:49 AM
Fuck the Arse. Everton will probably lose but we won't go down. COYB  ;D
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TSGun on March 01, 2015, 11:22:19 AM
Our last three games against Arsenal have been excellent, actually we're probably in our best form against them since the PL began.

Maybe I'm searching for something to cling onto, maybe I'm just a fool but that does suggest a glimmer of hope.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on March 01, 2015, 04:28:05 PM
I don't think Gibson needs to start this. Arsenal aren't just going to sit back and defend therefore there should be some space for us to exploit on the counter attack.

We will need to be at our best defensively so I see Martinez picking Barry, McCarthy and Besic for this one
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 01, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
It is probably an easier game than we would have playing Stoke , Leicester , Burnley , Hull or Villa . They will give us the space to play and we will get the opportunity to counter attack if we are quicker on the ball . We have played really well against their brand of football and even Moyes had eventually got to grips with them and was seriously unlucky not to have beaten them more often . Wenger is as tactically stubborn as it gets so the way Martinez has played in Europe might be beneficial to us today .
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 05:51:57 PM
You mean Monaco?

Marseilles lost 3-2 at home to Caen last night

Marseilles sound like us.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 05:55:27 PM
Reckon we could see lukaku out wide?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 06:02:39 PM
Aren't there injury concerns regarding Lukaku?

Also I think Barry is still serving a suspension for having accumulated 10 yellow cards. Gibson would be a good replacement but ideally in a more forward role.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 06:22:10 PM
wonder if they'll discuss liverpool in the tv build-up for our game...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 06:23:07 PM
Barry is in the squad
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 06:24:07 PM
so is Atsu
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Juanito on March 01, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
On way to the match now. Beautiful sunny day,  we are gonna have a beautiful win.

Arsenal 0 -3 Everton
                      Lukaku
                      Mirallas
                      Lennon
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 01, 2015, 06:43:46 PM
Aren't there injury concerns regarding Lukaku?

Also I think Barry is still serving a suspension for having accumulated 10 yellow cards. Gibson would be a good replacement but ideally in a more forward role.

Barry was just serving a one game ban for the red at chelsea. If he gets booked today he has a 2 game ban
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 06:44:31 PM
http://sport.bt.com/sport-football/news/arsenal-v-everton-match-preview-S11363964356831 (http://sport.bt.com/sport-football/news/arsenal-v-everton-match-preview-S11363964356831)

match link also at top of page.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 06:45:34 PM
Barry was just serving a one game ban for the red at chelsea. If he gets booked today he has a 2 game ban

Pretty much nailed on for a yellow in this game. Probably on Walcott.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 01, 2015, 06:49:22 PM
Pretty much nailed on for a yellow in this game. Probably on Walcott.

Excited to see who his tactical yellow foul is on today and how long he leaves himself with in order to not pick up a second yellow!

If he gets a red today does he just get a 1 game ban again?!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 06:59:17 PM
Excited to see who his tactical yellow foul is on today and how long he leaves himself with in order to not pick up a second yellow!

If he gets a red today does he just get a 1 game ban again?!

one for the red, yeah, unless it's straight

if it's for a second yellow then he serves one for the red, and two for the totting up of yellows
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 07:05:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_A3OIfU0AAlQRC.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 07:06:29 PM
Naismith dropped.

Besic, barry and mccarthy...different.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 07:07:21 PM
Garbutt eh? Nice.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 07:07:31 PM
Solid.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 07:08:39 PM
Really happy for Garbutt. Hopefully he gets a couple of assists :) would of played Lennon instead of Barkley and Gibson instead of Barry/Besic. But im confident
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: april on March 01, 2015, 07:09:07 PM
I don't think Gibson needs to start this. Arsenal aren't just going to sit back and defend therefore there should be some space for us to exploit on the counter attack.

We will need to be at our best defensively so I see Martinez picking Barry, McCarthy and Besic for this one


Crystal ball?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 07:09:22 PM
Can't say I expected that.  Very pleasant surprises all around.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 01, 2015, 07:09:47 PM
Naismith has needed resting for a while. I like Garbutt  but  wossup with Baines ?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
Stirlings shit. Minus pace he's a lower league player.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 07:10:27 PM
Baines injured?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 01, 2015, 07:12:26 PM
 Good team, usual lack of width. Good to see Barkley in instead of Naismith as opposed to as well as. One of Besic or Barry have to play further forward.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 07:14:13 PM
4-3-3 with Barkley wide left?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Looking at the bench, we have pace with Kone and Lennon to bring on to stretch things later on.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 01, 2015, 07:15:09 PM
Looks like were going for the 0-0 with a view to nicking 1
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
Looking at the bench, we have pace with Kone and Lennon to bring on to stretch things later on.

And gibson to thread the pass to them
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 07:16:32 PM
shame to have lost baines for this one. his free kicks can often make the difference.

ah well. fingers crossed   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 07:16:51 PM
For fuck sake. 4 midfielders. Not fucking needed. Wanted gibson to start here. Barkley out of position again. Fucking sick of this shite.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 07:17:47 PM
4-3-3 with Barkley wide left?

Has to be. Or right. I don't get it myself. Unless we play with more central players and just lukaku up front.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
For fuck sake. 4 midfielders. Not fucking needed. Wanted gibson to start here. Barkley out of position again. Fucking sick of this shite.

Gibson cant play 2 games in 4 days, calm down!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 07:20:06 PM
We're away against one of the most attacking teams in the league. Don't see the issue with playing narrow and solid to start off with personally.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 07:20:17 PM
On the plus side today, we won't have to cringe when the ball goes out for an Everton corner.  90 minutes of Garbutt!!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 01, 2015, 07:20:23 PM
For fuck sake. 4 midfielders. Not fucking needed. Wanted gibson to start here. Barkley out of position again. Fucking sick of this shite.

Four midfielders is pretty much commonplace for every team isn't it?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 07:20:24 PM
Has to be. Or right. I don't get it myself. Unless we play with more central players and just lukaku up front.
I guess it could actually translate more into a diamond on the pitch.


Howard (ugh)
Coleman Stones Jagielka Garbutt
Barry
McCarthy Besic
Barkley
Lukaku Mirallas

Which would make sense given the pace of our full backs.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 01, 2015, 07:20:32 PM
For fuck sake. 4 midfielders. Not fucking needed. Wanted gibson to start here. Barkley out of position again. Fucking sick of this shite.

That would have meant five midfielders.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 07:22:31 PM
Barkley on the left doesn't work though
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 07:27:00 PM
Wow, I only recognize maybe five names in the Arsenal lineup.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 07:27:28 PM
Arsenal looked to have dropped Welbeck and Mertesacker

Ospina
Bellerin Koscielny Gabriel Gibbs
Coquelin Cazorla
Chamberlain Ozil Sanchez
Giroud
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 07:29:07 PM
Maybe our line up is

        Howard

Coleman Stones Jags Garbutt

         Barry McCarthy

   Besic  Barkley  Mirallas

             Lukaku
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 07:29:17 PM
Rather a soft spine for Arsenal there.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 07:36:53 PM
Rather a soft spine for Arsenal there.


taking us lightly? might work out ok for us.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 01, 2015, 07:37:10 PM
On paper that looks like the perfect away team
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 01, 2015, 07:38:56 PM
Rather a soft spine for Arsenal there.

Coquelin is no mug though.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 07:47:10 PM
To be fair arsenal do like to play through the middle so that team might make sense.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 07:53:59 PM
just looking at howard. he'll soon be stepping on that fucking beard...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 07:56:24 PM
McCarthy is boss, isn't he
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 07:59:24 PM
Not looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 07:59:45 PM
just looking at howard. he'll soon be stepping on that fucking beard...

The aim is to grow it so big and bushy that he can stand one side of the goal and tie it to the other post and cover the goal.

The only trouble is when we switch ends and if we can get it untied in time for the second half.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: keverton1971 on March 01, 2015, 08:01:52 PM
http://ld65468.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/arsenal_28.html (http://ld65468.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/arsenal_28.html)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 08:02:31 PM
Have we won one game that we were second favourites for this season? Maybe Wolfsburg away. About time we delivered a 90 minute performance.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 08:02:59 PM
BT are fucking shite with their incessant ad breaks and MIchael Owen. Fuck off.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 08:03:22 PM
The aim is to grow it so big and bushy that he can stand one side of the goal and tie it to the other post and cover the goal.

The only trouble is when we switch ends and if we can get it untied in time for the second half.

of course. how stupid am i  (http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o147/PhotoJo77/Marloth09/MRLTH_172123.jpg)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:03:54 PM
fucking hell blob
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on March 01, 2015, 08:04:03 PM
Sopcast streams?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 08:05:29 PM
fucking hell blob

you forgotten how to have a bit of fun, lizz? it's a normal guy making a face, ffs.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:07:30 PM
Shit I've got to listen to Phil Neville loud-whispering for this.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:07:56 PM
you forgotten how to have a bit of fun, lizz? it's a normal guy making a face, ffs.

calm fucking down, it was the size of it nothing else. Jesus christ.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
guna win this today
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:08:11 PM
Phil Neville co-commentator for NBC :(
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:09:06 PM
Looks like a diamond here
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 08:09:20 PM
Well, he rates Garbutt.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 08:09:34 PM
Very accommodating of Arsenal not to bother pressing at all.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 08:10:19 PM
Oh great both cbs down.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:10:19 PM
Brilliant service from Garbutt
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:10:39 PM
Well, he rates Garbutt.

His voice though...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:11:00 PM
Of course, we aren't used to such service, and everyone dies.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:11:39 PM
Oh no, hope Stones is ok
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 08:12:03 PM
Ross behind a front two here.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 08:12:36 PM
not sure I can take 90mins of owens patronising shit that he spurts out
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 08:13:09 PM
Phil Neville is a former player. Who knew?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dekko on March 01, 2015, 08:14:18 PM
I can't find any good streams.
Anyone have any?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:14:30 PM
Priceless, it's like we wanted to do everything possible to avoid passing to Howard there.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:15:09 PM
Yep, it's definitely a diamond
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 08:15:17 PM
Could their forwards possibly do any less work without the ball?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:15:54 PM
Missing Gibson already. Both teams happy to keep things slow.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:16:42 PM
Could their forwards possibly do any less work without the ball?

Their entire side doesn't look particularly arsed to be on the pitch today.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:16:42 PM
A few on here I think

http://www.vipbox.sx/soccer (http://www.vipbox.sx/soccer)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 08:16:51 PM
I can't find any good streams.
Anyone have any?
http://www.atdhe.cc/soccer/stream-3b232b-arsenal-vs-everton-fc (http://www.atdhe.cc/soccer/stream-3b232b-arsenal-vs-everton-fc)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 01, 2015, 08:17:08 PM
Mind numbing stuff.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 01, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
Decent start but have to keep up the quick passing and also look for Rom with early thru balls..
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 08:18:55 PM
Worries me that Giroud has barely touched the ball- usually means he scores a jammy double
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:19:06 PM
Zero urgency from pretty much anyone.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Buck76 on March 01, 2015, 08:19:35 PM
Decent Stream:-

http://www.stream2u.me/watch/45412/1/PremierLeague-Arsenal-vs-Everton.html (http://www.stream2u.me/watch/45412/1/PremierLeague-Arsenal-vs-Everton.html)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:19:42 PM
I'm quite happy so far
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 08:20:05 PM
71% possession at the Emirates? Wow.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 08:20:38 PM
Possession is completely meaningless if you dont have any intention of doing something with it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 08:20:53 PM
I'm quite happy so far
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 08:21:09 PM
It's tactical. We want to get the crowd on their back. It's only 15 minutes in.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:21:33 PM
It's like we just want to pass the ball and not even score at times
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:22:08 PM
FUCK
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 08:22:39 PM
getting better...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:23:09 PM
Good goalkeeping that

Unlucky rom
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:23:24 PM
Ahhhh should've put his head on it
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 08:23:29 PM
If Lukaku's a bit better there, he really should get a goal, a pen or get the keeper sent off.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:24:34 PM
At least we're going direct at times.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:24:37 PM

Possession is completely meaningless if you dont have any intention of doing something with it.

Why?  It's helpful to give everyone a touch and take the sting out of the fixture when it starts. If the only purpose of possession was to try to score then no one would ever have any possession at all.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 08:24:43 PM
The formula is simple.

We pass the ball between the centre backs as if to say "come and get the ball". Arsenal's forwards don't press the ball. Arsenal's fans get frustrated with their team. This benefits us. The game opens up gradually.

You don't go to the Emirates and play gung-ho. YOu'll lose.

Don't understand why people are moaning.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on March 01, 2015, 08:27:02 PM
Nothing to moan about, we're controlling the game at the emirates. The closing down is top notch.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:30:15 PM
Doing well with a quarter of the game gone. Arsenal look terrified to concede. We have to take advantage of their fragility.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:30:30 PM
Looking good so far
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 08:30:39 PM
If a top 4 team away has ever been more there for the taking, I can't remember it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:32:55 PM
Absolute shite defending. Got away with that
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 08:32:59 PM
Theres a difference in going gung ho and taking a opportunity to play a forward pass when the space opens up.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:33:33 PM
Excellent gameplan, for sure.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 01, 2015, 08:34:50 PM
Need Osman, Gibson or Naisy here... Barkley not in the game.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:34:54 PM
Kiss of death there then!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:35:14 PM
a bit more urgency in our play and we can win this.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 08:35:29 PM
Arsenal coming back into this now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:35:41 PM
If a top 4 team away has ever been more there for the taking, I can't remember it.

And yet were not exploiting it
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 08:37:03 PM
a bit more urgency in our play and we can win this.

We have been saying that all season
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 08:37:36 PM
People's moaning is a reflection on our season so far rather than this performance.

This is exactly how we played in this game last season. Largely passive possession and we didn't really look like scoring. People were pulling themselves off in ecstasy then.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 08:37:50 PM
Lack of width-no chances. Not playing bad by any means but we're not going to score trying to go through the middle every time. Same shit different game.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on March 01, 2015, 08:39:30 PM
Besic is a natural leader. Every time I look he's instructing someone to follow a run or to get into the right position.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:39:47 PM
People's moaning is a reflection on our season so far rather than this performance.

This is exactly how we played in this game last season. Largely passive possession and we didn't really look like scoring. People were pulling themselves off in ecstasy then.

I wasn't.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:39:56 PM
Jags playing fantastic.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:40:25 PM
Great block by jags. Certain goal otherwise.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 01, 2015, 08:40:51 PM
Matter of time now...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 08:40:54 PM
Apart from a couple of casual passes the defence has been good.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 08:41:07 PM
in this formation Barkley is key to unlocking them, and much as it pains me to say it he's been shite so far. But the three sitting midfielders is working perfectly so far, on a positive note.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on March 01, 2015, 08:42:37 PM
Choose an option please Rom!!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 01, 2015, 08:42:42 PM
If Arsenal evet get out of first gear we're dead.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 08:42:51 PM
Why didn't Lukaku shoot
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:42:51 PM
Lukaku inches away AGAIN
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:43:02 PM
needed to shoot 2 seconds earlier :(
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:43:16 PM
There we go. One pass and a run at their defence and were in.

They're here for the taking. Slow pedestrian possession will get us nowhere.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 08:44:03 PM
People's moaning is a reflection on our season so far rather than this performance.

This is exactly how we played in this game last season. Largely passive possession and we didn't really look like scoring. People were pulling themselves off in ecstasy then.

Last season we were capable of upping the tempo and creating chances. Im watching today knowing full well we will keep this slow pace going for 90mins and end up with 60% possession but a 2-1 defeat or some other shit result.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:44:08 PM
Awful
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 08:44:29 PM
I hate that fucking long nosed cunt.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 08:44:33 PM
If Arsenal evet get out of first gear we're dead.

credit to us for not allowing that...but all good things come to an end :(
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
Ah well, guess it was coming
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 08:44:38 PM
Fark - called it
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:44:39 PM

in this formation Barkley is key to unlocking them, and much as it pains me to say it he's been shite so far. But the three sitting midfielders is working perfectly so far, on a positive note.

This is why I'd like us to go for a semi-washed up European No. 10
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:44:49 PM
Stones asleep there
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 08:44:52 PM
K.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 08:44:55 PM

same old story
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
Typical complete inability to defend a set piece.  It's like we've never seen one before FFS.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 08:45:31 PM
Giroud always scores against us I swear.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bally on March 01, 2015, 08:45:50 PM
3 times that cunt has touched the ball all fucking game, little fuckknuckle
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:45:55 PM
Fark - called it

hate this called it shit
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 01, 2015, 08:46:03 PM
Lack of concentration and no one on the back post for fucks sake
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hannu on March 01, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
waiting for the enevertable howard at fault shouts
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 08:46:29 PM
Arsenal have scored.....Oh well at least we arewinning the possession and backwards passing stats.

I wonder if that was in Martinez's gameplan
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 01, 2015, 08:46:56 PM
Colemans fault for me. Not directly but losing the ball on your own byline takes som explaining. We seem to want to play regardless. Even playing a possession based game you done get tackled there
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 08:47:18 PM
waiting for the enevertable howard at fault shouts

Course it's not Howard's fault. Don't be silly.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 08:47:21 PM
Not at a lot Howard could do with that tbh...not this time anyway
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:47:36 PM

Colemans fault for me. Not directly but losing the ball on your own byline takes som explaining. We seem to want to play regardless. Even playing a possession based game you done get tackled there

Didn't help did it

Stones pulling his socks up while the corner came in didn't help either though
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on March 01, 2015, 08:48:07 PM
Arsenal winning the 50-50's here
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:48:25 PM
can still get a result if we take off Barkley for someone like Gibson or Osman in the middle to pick a pass
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:48:53 PM
Gibbo definitely needs to come on
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Winning every tackle are arsenal.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:49:00 PM
Jags getting on his bike there
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 08:49:15 PM
You have to wonder if we work on corners both attacking and defending in training.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:49:24 PM
Nice and calm from besic there
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:49:25 PM
Arsenal devoid of confidence and we're almost handing the game to them at the moment.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 08:50:06 PM
Arsenal have scored.....Oh well at least we arewinning the possession and backwards passing stats.

I wonder if that was in Martinez's gameplan

YOu really need to lose that chip off your shoulder. You're moaning for the sake of moaning.

You realise there are two teams in this game? And that we're away to a team that is considerably above us in the table?and that they can play their football as well?

Of course it's not his gameplan to concede from a set piece you passive aggressive tit.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 08:50:09 PM
Besic just keeping Howard alert
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 08:50:33 PM
Going to be 2-0 soon. Anyone think we up the tempo a bit now that we need a goal?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hannu on March 01, 2015, 08:50:47 PM
we started decent, dont look too good atm tho
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 08:51:00 PM
You have to wonder if we work on corners both attacking and defending in training.

Can't remember us conceding many corners this season?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 01, 2015, 08:51:22 PM
Barkley should be nowhere near our team at present. Im not having hes a better option than Gibson, Naismith or Osman. He plays only on his reputation of Englands great new hope
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 01, 2015, 08:51:56 PM
Totally sick of this.

No-one will run ahead of the man on the ball, they all drop of and its played back and square. Fucking shite.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 08:52:20 PM
Didn't help did it

Stones pulling his socks up while the corner came in didn't help either though

At least his boots were on.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:52:35 PM
Ha, NBC replayed the goal rather than show our corner...I guess they've been watching our corners this season.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:52:47 PM
We - as a whole, from martinez to the fans - are ruining Ross barkleys career
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:52:51 PM
taking so fucking long with throw ins, makes me want to punch the screen in
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 08:52:52 PM
Too many Hitler youth hair cuts on show
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 08:52:56 PM
Can't believe the way we ended that last minute if injury time.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:53:09 PM
We honestly look like we're not bothered about scoring.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 08:53:19 PM
We - as a whole, from martinez to the fans - are ruining Ross barkleys career
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on March 01, 2015, 08:53:21 PM
we are absolutely dire to watch
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on March 01, 2015, 08:53:22 PM
Fucking pissed me right off then. A minute to half time and we're in their corner, so fucking hurry up and get into the box but instead we take the full minute to take the throw.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:53:47 PM
Can't believe the way we ended that last minute if injury time.

See my post below.

What on earth is wrong with this team?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 01, 2015, 08:53:57 PM
We - as a whole, from martinez to the fans - are ruining Ross barkleys career

Bollocks. Lads had about 3 good games this season. Hes a very lucky boy because based on performances he shouldnt be playing
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:53:58 PM
What are we doing? Faffing around with the throw in and running out of time? Sums up our complete lack of urgency that half.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Have to say it is fairly galling going behind again to a pathetically bad Arsenal there. Could take losing away to a good team playing well.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 01, 2015, 08:54:04 PM
Same again just no urgency in our player at all, pointless having all the ball if you've got no intention of trying to use it to score a goal.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Frosty on March 01, 2015, 08:54:34 PM
Lukaku not taking one of his chances will cost us 3 points.  Could be 2 up yet we are left chasing the game again
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 08:54:35 PM
No urgency to score from us, its as though we are avoiding the final third
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 08:54:46 PM
Barkley out of position again. Game after game its the same unbalanced line up. Either play barkley through the middle or just don't play him at all.

Need lennon on the other flank for some balance.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 01, 2015, 08:54:48 PM
We - as a whole, from martinez to the fans - are ruining Ross barkleys career

No. Ross Barkley is doing it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 08:55:55 PM
the pessimism is depressing, but so is the wayward optimism. we are clearly second best here.

none of that stops me hoping for a break. it aint over until it's over.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 08:56:10 PM
Barkley out of position again. Game after game its the same unbalanced line up. Either play barkley through the middle or just don't play him at all.

Need lennon on the other flank for some balance.

He's playing through the middle mate.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 01, 2015, 08:56:14 PM
Its going to sound odd, but an injury to Barkley putting him out for a few weeks might do him good. Get him completely away and get his head straight.

At the minute we're not playing to his strengths and he's suffering massively for it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 08:56:15 PM
Scored on their first attempt on goal? Could be going in at 1-1 if not for two timely tackles. Naismith or Osman for Barkley Bobby la.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on March 01, 2015, 08:56:42 PM
Although we kept possession well this half we did fuck all with it and once the opposition realise they are under no pressure they gain in confidence. We are struggling to get our forwards and full backs into the game by playing too narrow and short in midfield
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 08:56:54 PM
When Barkley loses possession he will jog a couple of strides to try and get it back then gives up, he needs to take a leaf out of Naismiths book, its as though hes devoid of any quick burst of energy.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 08:57:03 PM
Barkley is in his best position. It's down to him that he's playing poor
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:57:08 PM
Its going to sound odd, but an injury to Barkley putting him out for a few weeks might do him good. Get him completely away and get his head straight.

At the minute we're not playing to his strengths and he's suffering massively for it.

its an injury which fucked him up in the first place, stupid statement
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 08:57:37 PM
if we come out with three holding mids we may as well pack in football
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:57:51 PM
Arsenal are sleepwalking to victory at the moment, and we're letting them.

If Gibson is fit I'd put him on at HT. Maybe we need to think about taking off one (or two?) of our THREE defensive midfielders.

Awful again though, content to have possession and that's it. Nothing else. We only look vaguely threatening when hitting it long and bypassing the slooow passing in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 08:58:24 PM
I have no suggestions or answers, only depression.

Come back soon, Thursday footy.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 08:58:50 PM
iphone 4 inside a guitar oscillation! VERY GOOD! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INqfM1kdfUc#)

I found this quite fascinating towards the end of that half.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 08:58:59 PM
We've allowed Arsenal to get back into the game more and we've lost our early control of the game. Changes will need to be made for the second half, Gibson could come on maybe for McCarthy or Besic to give us more positive passing football plus unfortunately Barkley is just not doing well at all and losing possession, we probably should have started with Lennon despite his Tottenham connections and the possibility of Arsenal fan abuse being directed towards him.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 08:59:10 PM
Scored on their first attempt on goal? Could be going in at 1-1 if not for two timely tackles. Naismith or Osman for Barkley Bobby la.

How many times this season has the first shot on target gone in? It's almost ridiculous now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 08:59:13 PM
We honestly look like we're not bothered about scoring.



This...and it's been much of the problem all season. Decent first 20, since then it's been shite.

No desire, no fight, no tempo, choosing the backwards pass when an easy forward one is on, no support, no movement, no width. We are set up to pass it in areas that aren't a threat and not do much else it seems.

It's fucking dross and it's every game vs every standard of opponent.

If you're seeing something different you mustn't be sober.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 01, 2015, 08:59:14 PM
Did anybody really expect anything other than a loss here, we never travel well despite the blip of last season.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 08:59:43 PM
'If somebody farts at the Emirates, we might just hear it such is the lack of atmosphere.' Guardian scribe
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:00:21 PM
Bollocks. Lads had about 3 good games this season. Hes a very lucky boy because based on performances he shouldnt be playing

and that's why I included Martinez, dipshit

he shouldn't be in the team, he should be rested and allowed to get some confidence back and his head back in the right place.  He should also be played in his correct position.

He shouldn't, however, be fucking booed or moaned at within five minutes of the game starting for a tiny mistake that leads to nothing
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 09:01:12 PM
For some reason I'm quite chilled. We could still easily win this.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:01:46 PM
and that's why I included Martinez, dipshit

he shouldn't be in the team, he should be rested and allowed to get some confidence back and his head back in the right place.  He should also be played in his correct position.

He shouldn't, however, be fucking booed or moaned at within five minutes of the game starting for a tiny mistake that leads to nothing

He's playing in his correct position
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 01, 2015, 09:01:47 PM
Stones asleep. Grim game this
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 09:02:03 PM
YOu really need to lose that chip off your shoulder. You're moaning for the sake of moaning.

You realise there are two teams in this game? And that we're away to a team that is considerably above us in the table?and that they can play their football as well?

Of course it's not his gameplan to concede from a set piece you passive aggressive tit.

Try a reply without insult next time if you want to have a disscussion - its called a forum for a reason and im not one of the ultra negative people but we deserved that.

Arsenal were there for the taking first 20 mins, yet everytime the option was on to move the ball forward quickly, we turned and played a sidewards or backwards 'safe' pass to keep possession.  All that nothing possession has let Arsenal settle and come back into it. A bit more attacking intent could have resulted in us getting a goal and forcing Arsenal to open up, making it a more open game.

Now Arsenal will watch us play it round slowly, press us in their half and counter.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
We've allowed Arsenal to get back into the game more and we've lost our early control of the game. Changes will need to be made for the second half, Gibson could come on maybe for McCarthy or Besic to give us more positive passing football plus unfortunately Barkley is just not doing well at all and losing possession, we probably should have started with Lennon despite his Tottenham connections and the possibility of Arsenal fan abuse being directed towards him.



I would rather keep Besic on and drop Barry for Gibson or Ossie for the start, then if Barkley doesn't improve bring on Naismith
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on March 01, 2015, 09:02:56 PM
We - as a whole, from martinez to the fans - are ruining Ross barkleys career
we Got it the first time  ;)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:03:04 PM
From BBC via Twitter:

Keaton Clark: Every time I watch Everton play there's always something missing. Feels like 90% of what they do amounts to nothing.

About sums it up.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 01, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
and that's why I included Martinez, dipshit

he shouldn't be in the team, he should be rested and allowed to get some confidence back and his head back in the right place.  He should also be played in his correct position.

He shouldn't, however, be fucking booed or moaned at within five minutes of the game starting for a tiny mistake that leads to nothing

Im not so sure hes getting booed. Its bloody hard not to groan when he or anyone else is playing dreadful though. He doesnt need a rest hes just consistantly been poor this season. We absolutely have to sign a playmaker for next season.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
The number of times our midfield or attack lays the ball off first time back to the defence when they are under no pressure is mind-numbing. Even in 5 aside you know to shout 'turn' to your player if they've got time, or 'man on' if not. Really fucking basic.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 01, 2015, 09:04:45 PM
Personally think Barkley has got better as the half has went on. Besic has been poor for me. Need to be quicker back to front and that means Osman or Gibson for one of the midfield three for me.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:05:45 PM
Besic is Rodwell like in his use of the ball at times. Constantly turning back towards our goal.

To be fair, so is everyone.

Lukaku has been shite too
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 01, 2015, 09:06:14 PM
Barkley for Kone and Besic for Gibson for me, just get the fucking roundy thing towards their white thing with the net behind it quicker please.

It's depressing watching Coleman stroll down the line towards their goal and turn back when he's about 30 yards out and chase like a fuckin greyhound towards our half with the ball time and again.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 09:06:58 PM
Try a reply without insult next time if you want to have a disscussion - its called a forum for a reason and im not one of the ultra negative people but we deserved that.

Arsenal were there for the taking first 20 mins, yet everytime the option was on to move the ball forward quickly, we turned and played a sidewards or backwards 'safe' pass to keep possession.  All that nothing possession has let Arsenal settle and come back into it. A bit more attacking intent could have resulted in us getting a goal and forcing Arsenal to open up, making it a more open game.

Now Arsenal will watch us play it round slowly, press us in their half and counter.

The insult was a reaction to your sarcy digs.

A more open game suits Arsenal. They are a better footballing side than us and they're at home. I don't understand why they're there for the taking just because they lost to Monaco in midweek - a team that use a very negative game plan.

I think it would be counter-productive to have gone on the attack from the off. Given that Arsenal are presumably low on confidence after midweek, and their notoriously intolerant crowd, it doesn't strike me as unreasonable to try and kill the game and take the crowd out of it. It's now too late because we failed to defend a set piece.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 01, 2015, 09:07:20 PM
He's playing in his correct position

The problem is he doesnt justify playing in any position. Naismith with his workrate and goals should be ahead of him. Weve been a much better team recently with Gibson rather than Barkley
Hes been beyond poor this season. Hes produced very few decent performances (QPR Villa and Young Boys might be the total) and created and scored even less. The lad shouldnt be playing not because he needs a rest but because hes not close to being deserving of a place. Fans groans arent ruining him. His poor performances are
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 09:07:25 PM
Gibson is a must within he first 15 minutes of the second half.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:07:27 PM
Barkley for Kone and Besic for Gibson for me, just get the fucking roundy thing towards their white thing with the net behind it quicker please.

It's depressing watching Coleman stroll down the line towards their goal and turn back when he's about 30 yards out and chase like a fuckin greyhound towards our half with the ball time and again.

There's never anybody within 30 yards of him when he's out wide either. The midfielders just stand there and watch him.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 09:07:47 PM
same starting XI ffs
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:07:47 PM
no changes? :snigger:
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:08:27 PM
Barkley's only good game in the PL this season was playing deeper. I wouldn't mind taking one of the DMs off and drop Barkley back.

Bring on Kone and Lennon (taking off a second DM). Play with Mirallas and Lennon on the wings. Lukaku and Kone up top.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 01, 2015, 09:08:35 PM
its an injury which fucked him up in the first place, stupid statement

No it's not. It's constantly being played out of position when you're already low on confidence and the fans are on your back.  If Martinez were to just drop him for 4 weeks then that'll wreck his confidence even more, so an innocuous shoulder injury in training (that doesn't weaken him physically going forward) that takes him out of the limelight for a few weeks might in the long run do him good.  It's going to be better than just getting hammered every week for not being a right/left winger.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:09:04 PM

He's playing in his correct position

Today, yes
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:09:13 PM
Giroud yellow deserved
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 01, 2015, 09:09:36 PM
There's never anybody within 30 yards of him when he's out wide either. The midfielders just stand there and watch him.

Don't start me Eddie it's a long fuckin list..
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 09:10:05 PM
The insult was a reaction to your sarcy digs.

A more open game suits Arsenal. They are a better footballing side than us and they're at home. I don't understand why they're there for the taking just because they lost to Monaco in midweek - a team that use a very negative game plan.

I think it would be counter-productive to have gone on the attack from the off. Given that Arsenal are presumably low on confidence after midweek, and their notoriously intolerant crowd, it doesn't strike me as unreasonable to try and kill the game and take the crowd out of it. It's now too late because we failed to defend a set piece.

They were there for the taking as they were shaky, making defensive errors, not closing down and the crowd were quiet. I didnt exepct us to fly at them but make the positive pass when its on.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 09:10:07 PM
started this half well.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
Garbutt's delivery is sexual
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 09:10:49 PM
Better start, Garbutts delivery is sublime at times
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Garbutt's deliveries are the only positive of the day so far.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:12:27 PM
People love an argument on this site
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:12:55 PM
Handball that!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:13:23 PM

People love an argument on this site

No we don't!! ;)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:13:57 PM
chance after chance after chance = nothing
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:14:48 PM
You'd like to think the pressure would lead to something...doesn't feel as though it will at the moment.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:16:07 PM
Great strength there blatantly fouling jags
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
Giroud really is a cunt
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 09:18:10 PM
I think we just got away with a handball in the penalty box
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:18:24 PM
Have Kone and Lukaku played together yet?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:18:43 PM

I think we just got away with a handball in the penalty box

Would have been very harsh though

He was falling over
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:18:46 PM
I think we just got away with a handball in the penalty box

Yes, but should have been a foul on them immediately beforehand so evens out.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 09:19:29 PM
People love an argument on this site

No they don't.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:19:57 PM
Coleman looking the most likely for us.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:20:03 PM
lennon coming on
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 09:20:14 PM

Have Kone and Lukaku played together yet?

Kone is actually a hologram who's currently on charge.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 09:20:26 PM
So poor this....again.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:20:35 PM

Coleman looking the most likely for us.

Him and Lennon should be able to carve them open
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:20:58 PM
Giroud really is a cunt

A big nosed one at that!

Have Kone and Lukaku played together yet?

I think they have.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 09:21:33 PM
Come on ffs this is so frustrating
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 09:21:45 PM
How many times this season has the first shot on target gone in? It's almost ridiculous now.

Cursed when Robles is sat watching so we are.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:22:03 PM
Mirallas off?

Do we not play with two wingers then?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 09:22:22 PM
Would have been very harsh though

He was falling over

True, but there was always a possibility it would be awarded to Arsenal
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
Not sure why he's taking mirallas off before barkley?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on March 01, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
Rom has been poor today. Just then he was anticipating the ball going for a corner but he just stood still instead of shielding the ball which allowed them to take back control of possession.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 01, 2015, 09:23:17 PM
Am I the only 1 that doesntt think its been too bad? Weve been infinitely worse than this at times this season
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:23:24 PM
i think a winger shagged Roberto's wife, he hates them
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 01, 2015, 09:23:26 PM
Finally playing with the tempo we should play with from the start..
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:23:42 PM
Rom has been poor today. Just then he was anticipating the ball going for a corner but he just stood still instead of shielding the ball which allowed them to take back control of possession.

So this
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 09:23:56 PM
Mirallas off ? Why ?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 09:24:11 PM
Poor sub
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:24:22 PM
Kevin was playing well
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
MIrallas was anonymous.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 09:24:51 PM
Lennon's neckbeard makes him look a character from Bo Selecta
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:25:10 PM
It's so obvious that we're not gonna score

Might go for a nap
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:25:11 PM
i think a winger shagged Roberto's wife, he hates them

He would still say it was a brilliant effort.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 09:25:11 PM
Rom has been poor today. Just then he was anticipating the ball going for a corner but he just stood still instead of shielding the ball which allowed them to take back control of possession.

this
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 01, 2015, 09:25:16 PM
There goes one goal threat, just a knackered looking Lukaku left on the pitch now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
this is shocking
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
We need to score a goal...why take Mirallas off? Poor choice for me.

We haven't played with Lennon and Mirallas together yet, nor have we played (as far as I can remember) Kone and Lukaku.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:26:11 PM
Surely a central player has to come off there?

Go with two wide players for a bit of a change of tactics?

Fuck it, I dunno anymore, this season has just puzzled me and written me off.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:26:18 PM
Might as well bring on Hibbert for Lukaku.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
i think a winger shagged Roberto's wife, he hates them

Bet it was a phenomenal shag.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:27:25 PM
Great save.  Unlucky rom
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 09:27:33 PM
Better
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:27:36 PM
FUCK ME, how does that not go in????
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:29:06 PM
Disappointing x2 from Garbutt.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:29:08 PM
We have concrete in our boots for header challenges
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:29:23 PM
Never get any of those little knock downs do we.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:29:30 PM
Lost a tooth there hasn't he
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:29:49 PM
womp womp
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:30:02 PM
We wont see another sub until 85 mins.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:30:15 PM
James McCarthy appealing for the free kick there haha
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 09:30:22 PM
Genuinely am considering fucking this off. Just putting me in a bad mood.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on March 01, 2015, 09:30:36 PM
It's a good job Ross chickened out of that aerial duel then, he would have been sandwiched between the two of them.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:30:43 PM
Come on, get on with it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 09:31:11 PM
It makes no sense....km off al on. Surely km is more of a threat ?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 09:31:19 PM
Get a grip everyone. It's 1-0. We are well capable of getting something from this.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:31:24 PM
Get Kone and Gibson on ffs
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:31:32 PM
Good for us this. Stoppage time.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:31:44 PM
Get him off and treat him. Jesus his legs work.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 01, 2015, 09:32:09 PM
Gabriel looks like Stracs ugly young brother
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:32:13 PM
Howard's positioning for that goal man
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 01, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
Think we've been quite good today. A bit drab but competitive against a top 4 team. Dont think Lukaku has been bad either. Seems like I watch a different game from everyone else each week
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:32:50 PM
Howard's positioning for that goal man

If only he was standing where the ball went.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:32:52 PM

Gabriel looks like Stracs ugly young brother

Proof that dreams can come true though
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:32:53 PM
Get a grip everyone. It's 1-0. We are well capable of getting something from this.

I'm just watching in case Mo decides to murder Giroud.  That counts as "something" for me, damn it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on March 01, 2015, 09:33:27 PM
We're well in this. It just takes one good pass.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:33:31 PM
Close from lennon
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 01, 2015, 09:33:31 PM
Howard's positioning for that goal man

Central? Come on mate!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 09:33:54 PM
Another good save from the Arsenal keeper
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:34:09 PM
Coleman has been good. Thats about it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:34:11 PM
You have to laugh to keep from crying. Holy fucking shit.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 09:34:13 PM
Get a grip everyone. It's 1-0. We are well capable of getting something from this.

I'm with you brother..........
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:34:22 PM
Great run from Coleman, unlucky Lennon.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:35:26 PM
Lennon crosses that, we're level.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:35:37 PM
Arsenal have won virtually every tackle.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 09:35:37 PM
Lennon seems to be making a positive impact
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 09:35:56 PM
Lennon looking lively and up for this, wtf Ross?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:35:57 PM
Not just Coleman, Jags has been very good.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ari on March 01, 2015, 09:36:17 PM
Coleman has been good. Thats about it.

I was thinking the same... Coleman is back.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:36:34 PM
Central? Come on mate!

Not central at all.

I'm not blaming him like, but still, it's poor
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:36:40 PM
Have we ever won a game live on BT Sport?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:37:14 PM
Have we ever won a game live on BT Sport?

Cup games only I think.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:37:18 PM
At what point do we take off one of Besic/McCarthy/Barry since we're chasing the game?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:37:26 PM
i dont understand why he isnt making a change...?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:37:46 PM
Follow up question, have we ever not lost a game on BT Sport (League)?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:37:50 PM
Dont remember one.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:38:07 PM

i dont understand why he isnt making a change...?

He is!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:38:11 PM
Our full backs have been the only positive players today.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:38:12 PM
Now I think for Naismith
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:38:19 PM
We've created plenty of chances.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:38:28 PM
Naismith haaaaa
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:38:49 PM
Think we won in the cup. Andy gray commentated
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:39:06 PM
I hate out swinging corners
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 09:39:10 PM
Shot sums up Barkleys season
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:39:23 PM
Hahahahahahah.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:39:27 PM
fuck off barkley, fed up of him now
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:39:56 PM
Ok...down to just the two DMs now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 09:40:02 PM
Are our players thick?

Best header of a ball comes on before the corner and it's taken short?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:40:04 PM
Lads have got the six nations shooting boots on.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
Gotta be gibbo or the kone surely now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:40:10 PM
That summed our match up...then jags hits it out for the 3rd time.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 09:40:52 PM
Lennon should've stayed on his feet there.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 01, 2015, 09:40:52 PM
That shoud Koscielny's second yellow after he munted one of our players in the first half.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:41:27 PM
Quite a few of the Arsenal players have big noses, don't they?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 01, 2015, 09:42:04 PM
wtf was stones thinking there?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:42:20 PM
Barkley not interested in going for second balls is he?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 09:42:28 PM
Ross and Seamus pulling out of 50/50's there
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:42:38 PM
Been watching too much six nations. Deffo.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:42:49 PM
Jags again

Inspired performance today
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:43:15 PM
SO FUCKING SLOW ive had it with this shithouse team
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2015, 09:43:18 PM
Jags has saved AT LEAST 2 goals
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:43:43 PM
How was that not a foul? He did him from behind???
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:43:44 PM
Jags gets us out the shit so many times.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:43:56 PM
Ross and Seamus pulling out of 50/50's there

No way seamus could have won that
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:44:11 PM
SO FUCKING SLOW ive had it with this shithouse team

Spoiler: show
Martinez out?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 09:44:13 PM
Jags MOTM
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 09:44:17 PM
Barkley not interested in going for second balls is he?

His reactions to loose balls are so slow.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 01, 2015, 09:44:34 PM
If we didn't have Jags blocking everything today this game would be done and dusted.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 01, 2015, 09:44:42 PM
Quite a few of the Arsenal players have big noses, don't they?



I'm relying on all your comments to suss what's happening in the game and it's got to a conversation on how big the Arsenal players noses are. Haha.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:44:52 PM
Gibson on for Stones? Interesting.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 01, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
Really baffled by Kones lack of chances. Think hes only played poorly once when given a chance this season and yet gets little or no time on the pitch
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
But he also fucked up for giroud's first chance which he fluffed.

Stones for gibbo. Totally confused now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on March 01, 2015, 09:45:03 PM
Gettin' real sick of not seeing Kone.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:45:53 PM


I'm relying on all your comments to suss what's happening in the game and it's got to a conversation on how big the Arsenal players noses are. Haha.

Well, it's interesting how they don't get given offside so much.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 09:46:02 PM
arsenal have gone well off the boil. be good if we could share the spoils...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:46:12 PM
Tell you what, Kone must be really pissed now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 09:46:12 PM
Barry taken off to avoid a booking and suspension?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 09:46:15 PM
Barry off for Gibson
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on March 01, 2015, 09:46:15 PM
What's the point in bringing Gibson on now?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 09:46:39 PM
That must be the first time Barry has been subbed off for us
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:46:48 PM
Poor from rom that
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:46:51 PM
Oh nevermind, Gibson for Barry.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 01, 2015, 09:47:30 PM
Well, it's interesting how they don't get given offside so much.




 lolol
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 01, 2015, 09:47:37 PM
Gibson for Barry, should have taken  Barkley off to fuck, he's useless

Yes he may do something wonderful, but why wait 10 - 12 games for each one of these wonder moments
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:47:51 PM
Never a free kick on their keeper either
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 09:48:01 PM
What a ball
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:48:17 PM
Is this not the time to bring a striker on?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 09:48:43 PM
Foul my arse.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:48:46 PM

Is this not the time to bring a striker on?

Arsene is listening!
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:48:52 PM
Arsenal are such a shithouse club. Bet they get a whopping 4 minutes injury time for that 8 minute break earlier too.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 09:49:04 PM
Fresh Prince is on
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:49:10 PM
You simply cant sneeze next to a goalkeeper nowdays without it being a foul.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:49:47 PM
Ball hits him on the nose

Free kick
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on March 01, 2015, 09:50:20 PM
Hopefully there's 20 minutes of injury time.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:50:24 PM
Fucking clumsy twat
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
Got to be atleast 9 mins added on here.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
That must hurt tbf
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:50:31 PM
ffs, its a bloody nose, treat him off the pitch
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 09:50:33 PM
Neville pontificating about noses.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 09:50:35 PM
There should be quite a bit of injury time given the amount of times Arsenal players have gone down
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 09:50:49 PM
fucking walk, nobhead
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:50:53 PM
Should be but there will be 4. 5 MAX.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 09:51:11 PM
Is this not the time to bring a striker on?
Arsene is listening!

I know right - terrible from Martinez and Im a fan of his
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 09:51:15 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:51:20 PM
Fuck off.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 09:51:24 PM
goodnight vienna. fuck.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:51:27 PM
Oh fuck off

Jags doesn't deserve that
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 09:51:30 PM
Game Over
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:51:34 PM
fucking hell
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 09:51:40 PM
Another one bites the dust....we really are shit
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:51:50 PM
Should be blocking that.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:51:51 PM
Gotta be atleast 8 - 9 mins ere.

Doesn't fucking matter now does it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dchans on March 01, 2015, 09:51:58 PM
This season sucks
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 09:52:08 PM
Oh well that's that then
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 09:52:18 PM
Absolutely no luck this season
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 01, 2015, 09:52:29 PM
If we didn't have Jags blocking everything today this game would be done and dusted.

Jinxed it
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 09:52:29 PM
We're cursed.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 09:52:41 PM
Fuck..Howard had that covered too.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sprooly on March 01, 2015, 09:52:43 PM
we've been the better side in this 2nd half ffs
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 09:52:54 PM
going down arent we hahaha
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on March 01, 2015, 09:53:07 PM
7?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 01, 2015, 09:53:10 PM
Jags has been MOTM as well
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
going down arent we hahaha

no.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:53:33 PM
Good job Arse got their 2nd goal. Proper injury time can be given now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 01, 2015, 09:53:46 PM
Just need Lukaku to score now for my prediction to make the best of a bad day
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:53:48 PM
Were we this bad when Moyes led us to 17th?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 01, 2015, 09:53:56 PM
Got what we deserved for playing the same way we have in every game this season.

It is Martinez' job to change it but all he does is switch the personnel and keep the same system, occasionally throwing in an extra central midfielder. Never playing with two natural wide players, despite calling out for it all season.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Anyone who concedes from a corner against Arsenal deserves to lose the game.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:54:27 PM

Were we this bad when Moyes led us to 17th?

Worse
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 09:54:33 PM
not much point being down at the emirates. it's losing/drawing to the other dross in the league that's left us where we are.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 09:54:34 PM
Just need Lukaku to score now for my prediction to make the best of a bad day

Bugger off, I'm on 7 pts right now...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 09:54:39 PM
going down arent we hahaha

No
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 09:55:19 PM
Absolute dog shite again. Dont even know where to start.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 09:55:37 PM
Were we this bad when Moyes led us to 17th?

Depends on how you look at it. It was worse but then we didn't have anywhere near the quality of the squad we have today.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 01, 2015, 09:55:45 PM
I see the WUM's that were absent on Thursday have returned for today. Sheer coincidence.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 09:56:05 PM
Arsenal have been wank today, and yet here we are drifting to another aimless defeat. Very serious, fundamental problems with our team.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 09:56:21 PM
Were we this bad when Moyes led us to 17th?

Yes.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 01, 2015, 09:56:28 PM
Absolute dog shite again. Dont even know where to start.

Hey, where were yer Thursday?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 09:56:30 PM
Worse

That's something to hang onto at least. Hope this is Martinez's learning season.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 01, 2015, 09:56:49 PM

Absolute dog shite again. Dont even know where to start.

By logging off.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
Shit team selections, Shit tactics, Shit substitutions. He seems unwilling to change it.

Just hope we do enough to stay up.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 09:57:41 PM
Have to say, Martinez needs to shake things up here as this is yet another woeful performance.

We don't look balanced, we don't look like we're going to score. And worst of all it doesn't seem like he either knows how to address it.

It's insipid to watch too :(
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Danny on March 01, 2015, 09:57:51 PM
Rosicky is always amazing against us.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ari on March 01, 2015, 09:58:04 PM
Lukaku was NOT offside.  Not that it matters :)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 09:58:08 PM
See Lennon just nailed koschelny anyway
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 09:58:10 PM
no.

As much as im thinking there is no way we are going down,  we are definately involved in a relegation fight and im struggling to see where wins are coming from.  Stoke are good defensively and will happily sit and watch us have 90% possession in our half.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 09:58:11 PM
Arsenal have been wank today, and yet here we are drifting to another aimless defeat. Very serious, fundamental problems with our team.

I think you've put your finger on why it has been so annoying. We weren't beaten, just drifted along with the game and in the end came away with nothing.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 09:58:29 PM
Hey, where were yer Thursday?
I dont think it really matters where i was on thursday does it ? Whether i was at home, work or servicing your missus we d still be shit.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 09:58:30 PM
Not just the WUMs though is it? i've noticed Eddie, Ram, Lizz off the top of my head (and others)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 01, 2015, 09:59:33 PM
I dont think it really matters where i was on thursday does it ? Whether i was at home, work or servicing your missus we d still be shit.

But you always seem to miss the good games don't yer? It's just such shit luck.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 01, 2015, 10:00:09 PM
Not just the WUMs though is it? i've noticed Eddie, Ram, Lizz off the top of my head (and others)

But they're here through thick and thin. Have you not noticed that?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 10:00:22 PM
Arsenal have been wank today, and yet here we are drifting to another aimless defeat. Very serious, fundamental problems with our team.

The glaring issues aren't being addressed through stubbornness, each game is almost a carbon copy of the one previous to it without a hint of our manager doing anything to fix it. No wonder the players are dejected.

We're the easiest side in the league to play against.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dazfrancis on March 01, 2015, 10:00:23 PM
Shite, predictable and shite
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 10:00:31 PM
It seems like a lifetime ago when we pummelled Arsenal at home, and Coleman did that little reverse nutmeg and run.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 10:01:11 PM
This is what makes the site shit when we lose.

Too many people just wanting to constantly have a pop at posters, instead of discussing what's going wrong.

We're all entitled to moan about what's going on. Don't like it, then log off.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 10:01:33 PM
We haven't even been that bad today.

We're playing ARSENAL away from home and probably should have been 1-1 but for Ospina making a brilliant save from Lukaku and having absolutely no luck for Rosicky's goal.

Now, if we're shit in midweek then I'll accept all the criticism but I'm not sure what was expected from this match.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2015, 10:01:52 PM
This is what makes the site shit when we lose.

Too many people just wanting to constantly have a pop at posters, instead of discussing what's going wrong.

We're all entitled to moan about what's going on. Don't like it, then log off.

It's not just this site though. It would be the same on every site.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 01, 2015, 10:01:59 PM
Good job there are some worse teams in the bottom 3 or we'd be going down.

Martinez out.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 10:02:04 PM
But they're here through thick and thin. Have you not noticed that?

No that's true, i'm not disagreeing, but i'm more arsed about the team being in freefall than a few people turning up to have a pop.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 10:02:29 PM
Good thing that there is still a 6pt gap between us and 18th place. I think if we can get at least another 7 points from somewhere in the next 2 months, we should be ok.

At least there's Europa League to keep us going.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2015, 10:03:08 PM
Tell Lukaku its Young Boys on Wednesday and we'll be alright.

Oh well. Tut for that. Get the ale in nurse..............
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 01, 2015, 10:03:13 PM
The blame falls, and continues to fall at the feet of Martinez. We have had the same problems all season, for 7 months we have been poor and yet nothing has changed. Same tactics all year, change the personnel all you want, it is the tactics that are the problem.

Even under Moyes we never had a run like this in his later years when we finally had a squad with some quality. He was unwilling to change at times but somehow we always turned it around. We won't turn it around without a change in tactics here, that has to be clear by now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 10:03:29 PM
The glaring issues aren't being addressed through stubbornness, each game is almost a carbon copy of the one previous to it without a hint of our manager doing anything to fix it. No wonder the players are dejected.

We're the easiest side in the league to play against.

This times the biggest number in the world.

It is fucking painful that our manager has, all season, not done an absolute fucking tap to try and change the way we play or anything.

What is more worrying is the people on here that seem to be quite laid back and content with it.

As soon as I saw that starting 11 today it fucking tore me to shreds.

4 central midfielders in one fucking team.

Like for like change when it should have been a central player coming off for Lennon.

I'm past caring now though, I just want to get mathematically safe and just prepare for next season, I just have very very little faith in our manager, it diminishes by the game.

Not even gonna try to hear his post match comments and his positive spins on things.

 

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 01, 2015, 10:03:38 PM
martinez should have put gibson on much much earlier
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 10:04:09 PM
I really think Martinez is in complete denial in that he thinks we are dominating games, deserve more, been unlucky etc. there comes a point where you have to stand back and look at the season and acknowledge that this is no coincidence that we are losing game after game in the same way.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 10:04:24 PM
But you always seem to miss the good games don't yer? It's just such shit luck.
Why not call a spade a spade and admit we are shit under Martinez rather than say the same predictable shit? Truth be told i wasnt amazed with Thursday. Yeah we beat Young Boys hardly enough to set the pulse racing. We are in trouble in the league and Martinez is terrible but if you cant see it ....
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 01, 2015, 10:04:28 PM
No that's true, i'm not disagreeing, but i'm more arsed about the team being in freefall than a few people turning up to have a pop.

But when you get people just turning up solely to have a pop is a tad annoying isn't it? They never seem to be here when times are good. Just makes you question whether they are actual fans, Bots or just plain and simple dickeads in need of a good filling in.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 10:04:55 PM
We haven't even been that bad today.

We're playing ARSENAL away from home and probably should have been 1-1 but for Ospina making a brilliant save from Lukaku and having absolutely no luck for Rosicky's goal.

Now, if we're shit in midweek then I'll accept all the criticism but I'm not sure what was expected form this match.

Something different than the dire shite we've had to watch all season?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 10:04:59 PM
We haven't even been that bad today.

We're playing ARSENAL away from home and probably should have been 1-1 but for Ospina making a brilliant save from Lukaku and having absolutely no luck for Rosicky's goal.

No, if we're shit in midweek then I'll accept all the criticism but I'm not sure what was expected form this match.

Isn't that even worse though?

If we were playing shite and were beaten, you could say it's a much easier situation: cut out the silly mistakes, start playing to our strengths and we'll start to pick up points. But if we're playing okay and we still end up with fuck all on the table, how can you turn that around?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 01, 2015, 10:06:03 PM
Why not call a spade a spade and admit we are shit under Martinez rather than say the same predictable shit? Truth be told i wasnt amazed with Thursday. Yeah we beat Young Boys hardly enough to set the pulse racing. We are in trouble in the league and Martinez is terrible but if you cant see it ....

Course I can see it, but I don't log on here especially to moan about anything and everything shit about Everton.  I come on here for other things, the likes of you use this as a vehicle to post shit.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2015, 10:06:10 PM
But when you get people just turning up solely to have a pop is a tad annoying isn't it? They never seem to be here when times are good. Just makes you question whether they are actual fans, Bots or just plain and simple dickeads in need of a good filling in.

Turn it in, mate
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 10:06:15 PM
Just sad stuff. It's not good being devoid of confidence near a relegation battle. It's also not great feeling like it's less likely that we'll get ourselves out of trouble so much as hopefully 3 other teams will be slightly more sh*tty.

Martinez is extremely fortunate that we're in the Europa League as there would be some serious shouts for him to be axed otherwise. At the moment it is (somewhat amazingly) just grumbling by most.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2015, 10:06:19 PM
We haven't even been that bad today.

We're playing ARSENAL away from home and probably should have been 1-1 but for Ospina making a brilliant save from Lukaku and having absolutely no luck for Rosicky's goal.

Now, if we're shit in midweek then I'll accept all the criticism but I'm not sure what was expected form this match.

A slight change in tactics perhaps, but he hasn't done that in 7 months, It doesn't matter who we are playing Shogs, the fact is   for the whole of the season he hasn't once tried to address the problem of why we are playing shite.

Granted you are correct that I don't particularly expect to win at Arsenal away, but its grinding me down when you see the team selection and you automatically know what the drill is going to be.

It has to change, but the sad thing is you know it wont.

We will go with the exact same tactics on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 10:08:02 PM
I think you've put your finger on why it has been so annoying. We weren't beaten, just drifted along with the game and in the end came away with nothing.

Been the same all season, just drifting. We have NO other gears! I keep on harping back to the Sunderland game last season when we were down to 10 men yet hammered Sunderland, not by long balls but by moving the ball at a pace they couldnt cope with and a desire to win.  Everything that is missing this season.

Im starting to think that last season was a mixture of Robertos football and the players having 10 years of Moyes' high intensity play still drilled into them. 
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 10:08:16 PM
The glaring issues aren't being addressed through stubbornness, each game is almost a carbon copy of the one previous to it without a hint of our manager doing anything to fix it. No wonder the players are dejected.

We're the easiest side in the league to play against.
Cracking post imo
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: The Analog Kid on March 01, 2015, 10:08:21 PM
Turn it in, mate

Fuck off Ram
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Danny on March 01, 2015, 10:08:25 PM
But when you get people just turning up solely to have a pop is a tad annoying isn't it? They never seem to be here when times are good. Just makes you question whether they are actual fans, Bots or just plain and simple dickeads in need of a good filling in.

If there was ever a football club likely to have a bot for moaning it'd be ours.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 01, 2015, 10:08:31 PM
There's no denying we are shite in the league right now, keep thinking we will go on a run and it's not happening. It's not a lack of fight, we have played with ability. It's almost intangible what it is. Sadly at the moment I can only think it's Martinez that's the issue. I want him to prove me wrong badly .
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 10:08:32 PM
This is what makes the site shit when we lose.

Too many people just wanting to constantly have a pop at posters, instead of discussing what's going wrong.

We're all entitled to moan about what's going on. Don't like it, then log off.

Stop moaning, you tit.






:)

(Sorry, couldn't resist it.)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 01, 2015, 10:08:39 PM
Something different than the dire shite we've had to watch all season?

That's exactly it.

It's been the same all year, people have a right to be worried and have a moan.

When was the last time you felt like the pressure was building and the ball was going to somehow go in? We never put anyone under pressure, it's absolutely pathetic.

Even today, Arsenal came in to the game and it felt like eventually they were going to score if we couldn't get to halftime, lo and behold Giroud (again) scores.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 10:08:55 PM
Not just the WUMs though is it? i've noticed Eddie, Ram, Lizz off the top of my head (and others)

Think its ok to complain after the shite we see every single week
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 01, 2015, 10:09:11 PM
Not just the WUMs though is it? i've noticed Eddie, Ram, Lizz off the top of my head (and others)



I didn't see or hear the game so I relied on the match day thread. I'm fairly sure we were crap by all accounts, but were the fuck did the nose measuring came from. Btw Arsene wins it by a nose
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
Isn't that even worse though?

If we were playing shite and were beaten, you could say it's a much easier situation: cut out the silly mistakes, start playing to our strengths and we'll start to pick up points. But if we're playing okay and we still end up with fuck all on the table, how can you turn that around?

By not utilizing the same tactics? We're only playing okay in terms of we're keeping possession. By pretty much any other metric we're not great. I've never had such little confidence in us scoring a goal in the PL.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 10:10:18 PM
Im starting to think that last season was a mixture of Robertos football and the players having 10 years of Moyes' high intensity play still drilled into them. 

As in history in general, often it's the boundaries between eras that produce the most interesting things
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 10:11:12 PM
Course I can see it, but I don't log on here especially to moan about anything and everything shit about Everton.  I come on here for other things, the likes of you use this as a vehicle to post shit.
But is it shit ir the truth. I havent posted much positive this season as quite simply there hasnt been much positive at all. I dont give a shit if that pisses you off if im honest.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 10:11:20 PM
By not utilizing the same tactics? We're only playing okay in terms of we're keeping possession. By pretty much any other metric we're not great. I've never had such little confidence in us scoring a goal in the PL.

Yeah, which is why it's so hard to change things. You can't just switch tactics mid-season and expect it to work. We've gambled everything on this style of play and we aren't winning with it.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 01, 2015, 10:11:30 PM
Doubts are creeping in now whether he's got the ability and character to turn this round.

Game after game we're looking ponderous and negative and we don't seem to have a plan on exposing the oppositions weaknesses or nullifying their strengths we just roll on to the next game like the last one didn't happen. Its one thing being calm under pressure and perservering with your beliefs but this looks like sticking your head in the sand at times.

Just as concerning is the players attitude, I wouldn't accuse them of not caring but they just don't seem scared of losing or worried about the consequences.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 01, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
I didn't think we were that bad to be honest but it's probably because I expect us to get destroyed by Arsenal.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on March 01, 2015, 10:12:07 PM
Peace and love guys.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2015, 10:13:48 PM


I didn't see or hear the game so I relied on the match day thread. I'm fairly sure we were crap by all accounts, but were the fuck did the nose measuring came from. Btw Arsene wins it by a nose

As people have said it's Arsenal away, so maybe on paper, you could say 'fuck it, tough game, it happens'. But they were abject themselves, and it's the cumulative effect of watching almost the same lacklustre performance from us every week, without any real sign that serous, fundamental changes are being made.

And we're a Top 6/7 team, and have been for ages. it's not remotely unreasonable to be dismayed by our performance this season with 28 points from 27 games, given the quality of our squad, and to ask questions on the manager because of it.

When do numerous individual errors stop becoming an easy excuse for a defeat and start to say something more significant about where the team and the manager is going wrong, for example.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 10:14:02 PM
More arguing on here than posts about the team
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 01, 2015, 10:14:13 PM
Martinez is fucking shit. Completely unable to adapt from his default mindset. He's been sussed since the start of the season and hasnt even tried to rectify it. The man needs to go at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 01, 2015, 10:14:25 PM
This season the league is a write off, we will stay up purely because there are remarkably even worse teams than us in the league. We will get a few more wins and loads of draws (like Stoke in a few days). I just hope we can continue to smash it in Europe.

Hopefully a good pre season and we will be much improved next season. Today wasn't too bad really compared to how badly we've played in some games. Martinez for me has until half way through next season to show us good signs of progress
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 01, 2015, 10:14:44 PM
have to say I am bored with Martinez at the moment

apart from that though does Tim Howard not have any sense of superstition whatsoever

that shite beard has been a curse for us, have we even won a game with it on his face?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 10:15:21 PM
Just as concerning is the players attitude, I wouldn't accuse them of not caring but they just don't seem scared of losing or worried about the consequences.

I'm afraid that's the result of the positive attitude of Martinez. Being positive is great when things are going well, even when you hit a slight dip in form, but when you're dealing with a season-long poor run, it's no good telling players that it's all fine.

They will know it isn't fine of course but the mixed messages don't help at all.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 01, 2015, 10:15:49 PM
Martinez is fucking shit. Completely unable to adapt from his default mindset. He's been sussed since the start of the season and hasnt even tried to rectify it. The man needs to go at the end of the season.

It should definitely be considered.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 01, 2015, 10:16:02 PM
Lost two nil to a side that didn't get out of first gear. Their keeper made a save ours none. What a really poor game that was. I'm worried now, we need points on the board asap but where are they coming from
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 10:16:04 PM
Isn't that even worse though?

If we were playing shite and were beaten, you could say it's a much easier situation: cut out the silly mistakes, start playing to our strengths and we'll start to pick up points. But if we're playing okay and we still end up with fuck all on the table, how can you turn that around?

not really. it's one thing expecting to harvest points from clubs outside the top 6 or 8 with a 'reasonable' display... but a reasonable display against the likes of arsenal gets us exactly what we have; nothing.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GoodisonPk on March 01, 2015, 10:17:21 PM
Need an attacking creative midfielder in the summer urgently
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 01, 2015, 10:17:32 PM
The sad thing is if in some alternate universe Moyes managed us the rest of the season would anyone not be confident in an upturn in results? These players should be doing better.

I'm not advocating a Moyes return, just this seems squarely a problem rooted in Martinez's approach. The thing that trips me up though is that it wasn't his approach last season. We actually played with 2 wingers for one thing. We didn't bottleneck the center of midfield and slow things down to a snails pace.

As much as I don't like to praise Rodgers, you have to look at how he's changed tactics this season and it paid dividends. Martinez in comparison comes across as some sort of tika taka zealot who is too stubborn to change his ways.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 01, 2015, 10:17:38 PM
As long as we manage to stay up I can give Martinez until January next year simply based on last year's play. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but that honestly becomes harder and harder every week.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 01, 2015, 10:18:11 PM
This season the league is a write off, we will stay up purely because there are remarkably even worse teams than us in the league. We will get a few more wins and loads of draws (like Stoke in a few days). I just hope we can continue to smash it in Europe.

Hopefully a good pre season and we will be much improved next season. Today wasn't too bad really compared to how badly we've played in some games. Martinez for me has until half way through next season to show us good signs of progress

Agree with all that but at the same time if the board pulled the trigger it wouldn't kill me.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Eddie on March 01, 2015, 10:19:44 PM
As long as we manage to stay up I can give Martinez until January next year simply based on last year's play. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but that honestly becomes harder and harder every week.

IF we stay up and have a pre-season planned this time I'd asses his position after 10 matches tops...no improvement he's got to go.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on March 01, 2015, 10:20:21 PM
I just do not understand the tactics.  What does "possession via backpasses"have to do with scoring goals and keeping goals out of your own net?

Zero pressing in midfield, they just ran right through yet again.

Need three wins at a minimum... might have to wait until April to get the first.

Would be madness to sack the manager now, but Blue Bill needs to be planning for a managerial candidate who would be available sometime before Christmas '15.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 10:20:36 PM
I wouldnt give him anymore time or trust him with our transfer budget in the summer-hes not proved hes able to spend wisely....
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 01, 2015, 10:20:54 PM

This season the league is a write off, we will stay up purely because there are remarkably even worse teams than us in the league. We will get a few more wins and loads of draws (like Stoke in a few days). I just hope we can continue to smash it in Europe.

Hopefully a good pre season and we will be much improved next season. Today wasn't too bad really compared to how badly we've played in some games. Martinez for me has until half way through next season to show us good signs of progress

Why though? Have you seen even the tiniest bit in his wigan season, or this season that he'll be able to turn things around. Before you know it next season a write off halfway through and you need to find a new manager at a difficult time. I've never known a manager so unwilling to change things when things are bad
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 01, 2015, 10:21:02 PM
I'm afraid that's the result of the positive attitude of Martinez. Being positive is great when things are going well, even when you hit a slight dip in form, but when you're dealing with a season-long poor run, it's no good telling players that it's all fine.

They will know it isn't fine of course but the mixed messages don't help at all.

Yeah I realise that and understanding it makes it more frustrating.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 10:21:10 PM
not really. it's one thing expecting to harvest points from clubs outside the top 6 or 8 with a 'reasonable' display... but a reasonable display against the likes of arsenal gets us exactly what we have; nothing.

It isn't just Arsenal though, is it. It was the same against Leicester and all the others: we usually aren't truly bad, just aren't that good either. During the most horrible runs under Moyes there was a general feeling that simple changes can turn our form around and they always did.

But we're in a different situation now, simple changes will not change our level of performance, we need radical changes but you can't make radical changes in March. Of course all that is worth less than a pair of dingo kidneys if Martinez won't even concede that radical changes are needed.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 10:22:27 PM
I really feel the problem is Barkley.  He hasn't performed at all.  Actually it's probably more that Martinez decided to completely trust him and we have very little to offer centrally in an attacking sense.  It has affected the whole balance of the team.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 01, 2015, 10:22:29 PM
From what I can gather it was another helping of the same flat uninspiring aimless drifting. Aimless drifting is a perfect way to explain it. I'm actually glad I missed the game and I wasn't expecting anything from the game anyway, so personally, I'm not disappointed with the result. I am getting worried about the ineffectual style of play and the ever nearing bottom three. I'm very concerned
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 01, 2015, 10:22:48 PM
We were unlucky today and did not deserve to lose 2-0. We nullified most of their game but could not find the net. One brilliant save from their keeper from Lukaku, otherwise 1-1. Garbutt was excellent. Yes this season's league is a write off and probably so is Martinez although I expect him to be given until October or November to produce a team challenging for the top 6. I said previously we need 3 wins plus a few draws from somewhere but again I cannot see many wins at all, so we may have to rely on maybe 1 win somewhere and 6 draws, and hope others do worse. If we lose at Stoke then start praying with 10 games left. If we go even close to going down then sack Martinez in May. 6 wins in 28 games is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 01, 2015, 10:24:22 PM
I really feel the problem is Barkley.  He hasn't performed at all.  Actually it's probably more that Martinez decided to completely trust him and we have very little to offer centrally in an attacking sense.  It has affected the whole balance of the team.
So barkley the reason we are shit?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Amata on March 01, 2015, 10:24:26 PM
As in history in general, often it's the boundaries between eras that produce the most interesting things

It seems like the perfect mix.

Surely as much as Martinez wants to play possession 'Barca style' football, he's been in this league long enough to know that if you are playing at a stroll and not pressing, even the poor teams will be difficult to beat. Its all good wanting to pass it like barcelona but they were also one of the best pressing teams in the world which is why that style worked so well.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 10:25:33 PM
We were unlucky today and did not deserve to lose 2-0. We nullified most of their game but could not find the net. One brilliant save from their keeper from Lukaku, otherwise 1-1. Garbutt was excellent. Yes this season's league is a write off and probably so is Martinez although I expect him to be given until October or November to produce a team challenging for the top 6. I said previously we need 3 wins plus a few draws from somewhere but again I cannot see many wins at all, so we may have to rely on maybe 1 win somewhere and 6 draws, and hope others do worse. If we lose at Stoke then start praying with 10 games left. If we go even close to going down then sack Martinez in May. 6 wins in 28 games is a disgrace.

Sadly agree
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 10:25:52 PM
From what I can gather it was another helping of the same flat uninspiring aimless drifting. Aimless drifting is a perfect way to explain it.

Yeah, that describes it accurately. We actually had some really good spells too, some good chances, good positions, great crosses from Garbutt...and only one proper shot that was really dangerous.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 10:26:24 PM
So barkley the reason we are shit?
Its not ross fault that the manager is not managing him effectively ?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 10:26:59 PM
Martinez is definitely trying to change things - experimenting slightly with different formations and while our substitution strategy still has us scratching our heads, there have been a few positive developments or subs made relatively earlier than usual. However, since Shorty mentioned that Kone isn't happy, it makes me wonder if there is some tension between him and Martinez which is why he hardly plays.

But still it's not really good enough, while our general attacking play is marginally better now, we've started to leak goals again.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: montanatoffeefan on March 01, 2015, 10:27:43 PM
Martinez is fucking shit. Completely unable to adapt from his default mindset. He's been sussed since the start of the season and hasnt even tried to rectify it. The man needs to go at the end of the season.

It should definitely be considered.

Yeah, I'm afraid drastic measures have to start entering the conversation. It's not just that Martinez is looking so shit, it's that he's literally starting to seem a smiling madman. You see these types in America a fair amount--corporate dipshyts who keep blathering the positive speak even as their ships are going down. Only difference is, the adult supervision usually comes in and sacks them.

On our current point total and form, we are in danger of getting relegated. And I have zero confidence in Martinez by now to turn it around, or even try something new. Or to even inspire the players to look arsed. At this point, that Italian fascist Sunderland had a while ago or new manager Big Dunc headbutting underperforming players would give me more confidence than Martinez.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 10:27:46 PM
So barkley the reason we are shit?

As was said earlier, we put all our eggs in the same basket.  But Barkley couldn't deliver (because of injury, form and maybe expectation) and it's meant strain on our wide areas to deliver.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 10:29:34 PM
Yeah, I'm afraid drastic measures have to start entering the conversation. It's not just that Martinez is looking so shit, it's that he's literally starting to seem a smiling madman. You see these types in America a fair amount--corporate dipshyts who keep blathering the positive speak even as their ships are going down. Only difference is, the adult supervision usually comes in and sacks them.

On our current point total and form, we are in danger of getting relegated. And I have zero confidence in Martinez by now to turn it around, or even try something new. Or to even inspire the players to look arsed. At this point, that Italian fascist Sunderland had a while ago or new manager Big Dunc headbutting underperforming players would give me more confidence than Martinez.
Enjoyed this post
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 01, 2015, 10:30:13 PM
Yeah, which is why it's so hard to change things. You can't just switch tactics mid-season and expect it to work. We've gambled everything on this style of play and we aren't winning with it.

Disagree MC. You can change it halfway through and it work perfectly. Look at westbrom for instance.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 01, 2015, 10:30:19 PM
Martinez tactics all season for me have been odd. So narrow after last year where width was key. To say it's down to barkley tho is mad imo
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2015, 10:30:48 PM
Disagree MC. You can change it halfway through and it work perfectly. Look at westbrom for instance.



Or the RS
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 01, 2015, 10:30:58 PM
As was said earlier, we put all our eggs in the same basket.  But Barkley couldn't deliver (because of injury, form and maybe expectation) and it's meant strain on our wide areas to deliver.

No, the man who plays him there. And then compensates by playing a number 10 on the wing is to blame
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 01, 2015, 10:31:55 PM
To me it also seems like Martinez has made decisions before the game.

'If we are down, Ill bring on X for X around this minute or that minute.'

He should be assessing the game at that time and deciding how we can change it instead of seemingly having pre-planned substitutions. It's all so pathetically predictable.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 01, 2015, 10:32:45 PM
Looking at our fixtures we really should be digging our way out now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 01, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
Looking at our fixtures we really should be digging our way out now.

need a good result on Wednesday to start with

beating that pile of dogshit will give us a big boost
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 01, 2015, 10:33:34 PM
To me it also seems like Martinez has made decisions before the game.

'If we are down, Ill bring on X for X around this minute or that minute.'

He should be assessing the game at that time and deciding how we can change it instead of seemingly having pre-planned substitutions. It's all so pathetically predictable.
I honestly dont think hes capable.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 01, 2015, 10:37:17 PM

No, the man who plays him there. And then compensates by playing a number 10 on the wing is to blame

Yes that's not what I meant - apologies if unclear. I'm not blaming Barkley directly. That would be insane. It's our reliance on him or someone else to be a creative threat in that part of the pitch. But there are honourable mentions too for individual errors, confidence and poor fitness.

Although the possession game is frustrating, I still marginally prefer it over the panic button defending and clearing the lines crap we used to see from Moyes. I really hated that.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 01, 2015, 10:38:18 PM
we wre horrible today
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 01, 2015, 10:39:32 PM
Disagree MC. You can change it halfway through and it work perfectly. Look at westbrom for instance.

West Brom were in a far simpler situation, they didn't have any kind of style. Pulis toughened them up at the back, gave them a simple game plan and that works. It wouldn't work for us, only maybe if we changed our manager.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on March 01, 2015, 10:39:32 PM
We were unlucky today and did not deserve to lose 2-0. We nullified most of their game but could not find the net. One brilliant save from their keeper from Lukaku, otherwise 1-1. Garbutt was excellent. Yes this season's league is a write off and probably so is Martinez although I expect him to be given until October or November to produce a team challenging for the top 6. I said previously we need 3 wins plus a few draws from somewhere but again I cannot see many wins at all, so we may have to rely on maybe 1 win somewhere and 6 draws, and hope others do worse. If we lose at Stoke then start praying with 10 games left. If we go even close to going down then sack Martinez in May. 6 wins in 28 games is a disgrace.

I'll go with you on that... if we are just above the drop zone (or worse) by mid-April, then get him out.

Why?  Because it's ludicrous that we are even thinking about relegation with the quality of players in our side! I can't believe the mess we're in.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: chang on March 01, 2015, 10:41:39 PM
100th defeat to Arsenal apparently..... :eh:
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 01, 2015, 10:42:03 PM
Dave I broke my leg Whelan did say Roberto would take us places we wouldn't believe. Let's hope he didn't mean the Championship. We need some points in the bank pronto.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 01, 2015, 10:44:23 PM
The match day thread is fucking dire these days.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on March 01, 2015, 10:44:25 PM
Dave I broke my leg Whelan did say Roberto would take us places we wouldn't believe. Let's hope he didn't mean the Championship. We need some points in the bank pronto.

It is sad how much we resemble Wigan this year. We make a lot of inexcusable individual errors and look increasingly confused in the final third.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 01, 2015, 10:45:20 PM
Yes that's not what I meant - apologies if unclear. I'm not blaming Barkley directly. That would be insane. It's our reliance on him or someone else to be a creative threat in that part of the pitch. But there are honourable mentions too for individual errors, confidence and poor fitness.

Although the possession game is frustrating, I still marginally prefer it over the panic button defending and clearing the lines crap we used to see from Moyes. I really hated that.

Thats a Myth. We were brilliant defensively under moyes, even if abit no nonsense at times
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 10:45:46 PM
Dave I broke my leg Whelan did say Roberto would take us places we wouldn't believe. Let's hope he didn't mean the Championship. We need some points in the bank pronto.

Indeed. If we were to get relegated under Roberto's watch then I doubt many top flight teams would even touch him with a barge pole afterwards.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2015, 10:46:15 PM
he's a nice guy, but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nDq1HoNm-E# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nDq1HoNm-E#)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 10:46:50 PM
The match day thread is fucking dire these days.

Doesn't help when Everton don't win many games.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Brownie on March 01, 2015, 10:52:06 PM
Only saw the first half and didn't think we deserved to be 1-0 down. Lukaku needed to bury that chance just before the Arsenal goal. It's going to be a fight now.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: montanatoffeefan on March 01, 2015, 10:57:28 PM
Indeed. If we were to get relegated under Roberto's watch then I doubt many top flight teams would even touch him with a barge pole afterwards.

Then he'd be manager of two teams that got relegated within three years. Even Neil Warnock never pulled that off. That's Paul Le Guen-level failure.

If he got us relegated, Martinez might have trouble getting a sniff from a League 1 club.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on March 01, 2015, 10:57:37 PM
Only saw the first half and didn't think we deserved to be 1-0 down. Lukaku needed to bury that chance just before the Arsenal goal. It's going to be a fight now.

The performance was not that bad.  I would say it was slightly better than our average this year in the league.

Question is this: how confident are you in this team defeating Stoke on Weds? It's still not getting any better.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: sirblue57 on March 01, 2015, 10:58:37 PM
anyone who cannot understand why fans are unhappy with RM and our league form are blind, we may have been worse under moyes when we finished 17th, but we had a much worse squad. this squad is under achieving on a monumental scale.
and fuck the EL, yes, its good that we are doing well, but if we don't turn our league form round soon, we could be in real trouble, and don't fucking say we are to good to go down, how many teams have thought that then gone?

RM needs a fucking wake up call, and it better be soon. this is RMs first real season, playing HIS way, HIS style.

he can't blame anyone but himself, this squad is the best we have had since the 80s title winning side, but lacks fight, guile,spirit and leadership. the buck stops with RM.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 01, 2015, 11:00:26 PM
It is sad how much we resemble Wigan this year. We make a lot of inexcusable individual errors and look increasingly confused in the final third.



That's one of the worse things about all this pressure we're under. We've got some very high quality professionals playing for us. To see them getting confused and worried about making mistakes in the middle of a game is worrying. I've seen it before in everton relegation battles. As I mentioned earlier I didn't see or hear the game but it sounds like par for the course in this game too. Being reasonable about the situation we need some points on the board plain and simple. I'm holding back what I think as I concluded a while ago we need to get behind the manager. If it wasn't for the Uefa cup I wouldn't be able to hold my feelings back concerning the league debacle. If we get relegated it will literally bring a grown man to tears. But that's enough about that. Bring on Stoke.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 01, 2015, 11:02:30 PM
Last season Martinez took over an excellent Moyes team with his fierce attitude and effort +  added Lukaku.

Now they have Martinez lax attitude & tiki-taka style and end up where we are now.

Has to go and get a proper PL manager.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Django on March 01, 2015, 11:03:58 PM
Didn't even bother to rush home in time for this one. Just knew we'd do fuck all.

Caught the second half.

We're far too easy to beat these days. It's as though Bobby is happy as long as we play okay, which we did today - but we didn't play well either.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 11:10:29 PM
Then he'd be manager of two teams that got relegated within three years. Even Neil Warnock never pulled that off. That's Paul Le Guen-level failure.

If he got us relegated, Martinez might have trouble getting a sniff from a League 1 club.

Actually Avram Grant was in charge of 2 teams that got relegated in 2 seasons - Portsmouth one year and West Ham the next, although to be fair Portsmouth was a sinking ship and West Ham were pretty much on the decline as well.

I wouldn't be too worried about Martinez on a career level if things ended badly with him here, judging by our performances in the Europa League, a few European clubs might be interested, I could see him even manage a mid-table Spanish Primera Division team. Otherwise, he could form a very solid career as a football pundit on TV.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on March 01, 2015, 11:13:53 PM
Fucking hell. Talk about relegation.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on March 01, 2015, 11:14:52 PM
100th defeat to Arsenal apparently..... :eh:
blame Roberto
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: NomadskiEFC on March 01, 2015, 11:15:53 PM
Very concerned about us here.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 01, 2015, 11:16:50 PM
Actually Avram Grant was in charge of 2 teams that got relegated in 2 seasons - Portsmouth one year and West Ham the next, although to be fair Portsmouth was a sinking ship and West Ham were pretty much on the decline as well.

I wouldn't be too worried about Martinez on a career level if things ended badly with him here, judging by our performances in the Europa League, a few European clubs might be interested, I could see him even manage a mid-table Spanish Primera Division team. Otherwise, he could form a very solid career as a football pundit on TV.




Do you work at the job centre?  :)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2015, 11:17:08 PM
Moyes' team lost 2-0 away to the 4th place side earlier today as well.

Nice bit of symmetry.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Tony Clifton on March 01, 2015, 11:19:58 PM
Actually Avram Grant was in charge of 2 teams that got relegated in 2 seasons - Portsmouth one year and West Ham the next, although to be fair Portsmouth was a sinking ship and West Ham were pretty much on the decline as well.

I wouldn't be too worried about Martinez on a career level if things ended badly with him here, judging by our performances in the Europa League, a few European clubs might be interested, I could see him even manage a mid-table Spanish Primera Division team. Otherwise, he could form a very solid career as a football pundit on TV.

I wouldn't give a fuck (about his future) if things ended badly with him here.  Also, I don't want to see him doing punditry on CL games again, at least not while we're in the shit and he's our manager.  A bit embarrassing that.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Tony Clifton on March 01, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
Moyes' team lost 2-0 away to the 4th place side earlier today as well.

Nice bit of symmetry.

Moyes out. ;)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 01, 2015, 11:26:40 PM



Do you work at the job centre?  :)

Haha. I have experience before of interviewing people for positions and screening CVs. But I'm happy to be on standby if Roberto is looking for a recruitment consultant ;)
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2015, 12:00:45 AM
Just read Martinez post-match comments..  the guy is totally in denial.

Made my mind up - MARTINEZ OUT.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: 74Blue on March 02, 2015, 12:01:09 AM
The sad thing is if in some alternate universe Moyes managed us the rest of the season would anyone not be confident in an upturn in results? These players should be doing better.

I'm not advocating a Moyes return, just this seems squarely a problem rooted in Martinez's approach. The thing that trips me up though is that it wasn't his approach last season. We actually played with 2 wingers for one thing. We didn't bottleneck the center of midfield and slow things down to a snails pace.

As much as I don't like to praise Rodgers, you have to look at how he's changed tactics this season and it paid dividends. Martinez in comparison comes across as some sort of tika taka zealot who is too stubborn to change his ways.
You could bring a Tony Pulis in if all you are looking to do is grind out enough results to stay up. Everywhere he's been, he's toughened up the back four and made them more difficult to beat. If you aren't conceding, there's always a chance of sneaking a few wins. Personally, I still think that Tim Howard's shitness this season has been a massive part of our problem. When teams attack us, I have no confidence in Howard being able to pull off a great save. The back four must be just as conscious of this too.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: montanatoffeefan on March 02, 2015, 12:23:48 AM
Actually Avram Grant was in charge of 2 teams that got relegated in 2 seasons - Portsmouth one year and West Ham the next, although to be fair Portsmouth was a sinking ship and West Ham were pretty much on the decline as well.

I wouldn't be too worried about Martinez on a career level if things ended badly with him here, judging by our performances in the Europa League, a few European clubs might be interested, I could see him even manage a mid-table Spanish Primera Division team. Otherwise, he could form a very solid career as a football pundit on TV.

Ahh, yeah, Avram. But to be fair to Avram Grant (a phrase I never thought I'd type out), he was working under two absolutely miserable ownership situations those seasons. I'm not sure Portsmouth even had an actual owner at the time. Though Avram may have still pulled it off even without interference from above.

And Le Guen probably could have gotten two Prem teams relegated in consecutive seasons if he was managing Chelsea and ManU.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Juanito on March 02, 2015, 12:53:13 AM
We could say, it was Arsenal away but Martinez has shown that he has no idea to combat 'lesser' sides coming to Goodison and shutting up shop. As 3 home wins all season tells us. The likes of Burnley and Sunderland at home should be bankers but, he will probably play two defensive midfielders and spend most of the game playing slow side ways passing. He talks about going 'toe to toe' with Arsenal but that was abject. There didn't seem to be any desire or determination to win and when we did make attacking changes, we were so open and cut up so easily it could have been 4 or 5.

I noticed McCarthy having a go at Lukaku when he failed to show for a ball and Lukaku's general play in the game was not enough for a team on the back foot. He didn't show enough desire. Barkley seemed to play like he was stoned. Both seem demotivated today.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 02, 2015, 12:55:38 AM
I think yobo2008 could do as well(or badly) as Martinez has this year.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: marky v on March 02, 2015, 01:00:47 AM
Even though there was no threat we started the game well, lots of desire to win the ball it's just balancing out being solid and being able to attack, it's time to play Lennon on the Right and Mirallas on the left with Naismith and Lukaku upfront, I think we've ruined this entire season (outside of Europa League) by asking too much of players tactically, we look confused at times, I'd like to see us a bit more basic in league games just to match sides a bit more
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2015, 01:11:37 AM

I think yobo2008 could do as well(or badly) as Martinez has this year.

Did you really just type about yourself in the third person?

Really?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Juanito on March 02, 2015, 01:15:13 AM
Even though there was no threat we started the game well, lots of desire to win the ball it's just balancing out being solid and being able to attack, it's time to play Lennon on the Right and Mirallas on the left with Naismith and Lukaku upfront, I think we've ruined this entire season (outside of Europa League) by asking too much of players tactically, we look confused at times, I'd like to see us a bit more basic in league games just to match sides a bit more

Spot on
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: D3blue on March 02, 2015, 01:48:10 AM

We have lots of talent in our squad but the setup and tactics are a mess....and that's down to the manager.
I'm not distracted by our Europa success, which is great for us, but it doesn't compensate for our disastrous league performances.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: benny on March 02, 2015, 01:54:47 AM
I wouldnt give him anymore time or trust him with our transfer budget in the summer-hes not proved hes able to spend wisely....

              it hurts me to say this but i think i agree with you  :blush:
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 02, 2015, 02:18:58 AM
Did you really just type about yourself in the third person?

Really?

Looks like it Shogs, love to see him try it though.

As for the game, as with most this season, I can't judge as I didn't see it but sadly I think the end may be coming for Roberto if the league form doesn't kick on. I don't want it to happen but that's the way football is these days, the bigger the TV deals get, the higher the level of expectation gets for teams like us, if there's failure then change is needed
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2015, 02:37:31 AM
Looks like it Shogs, love to see him try it though.

As for the game, as with most this season, I can't judge as I didn't see it but sadly I think the end may be coming for Roberto if the league form doesn't kick on. I don't want it to happen but that's the way football is these days, the bigger the TV deals get, the higher the level of expectation gets for teams like us, if there's failure then change is needed

I wouldn't be against Martinez going, a whole season of the same dull tactics has caused me to lose faith, but it is destroying my brain trying to think of ANYONE suitable to come in, at least off the top of my head and that in a sense, worries me more.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 02, 2015, 02:43:40 AM
That's the thing. There are a lot of shit managers out there. Hence why the likes of Steve Bruce and Neil Warnock keep getting recycled.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2015, 02:50:30 AM
See where we're at by the end of the season concerning a managerial change. We are very unlikely to get relegated and there is no manager we could get in now with a better chance of winning the Europa League than Martinez.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2015, 02:56:20 AM
In terms of solid prem managers that get you a win, almost any would be a step down from moyes. He's the archetype for the kind of manager.

So we went with martinez, the idea being that we take another step up, start winning the big games, maybe get close to a cup, play with a philosophy and build the everton brand beyond plucky scrappers.

If we move on from martinez, I would worry that we would end up even further behind where we were, with nothing to show for it.

I want the martinez experiment to work, I am, admittedly worried and I don't know where the next win comes from (Stoke away?)

But I'm not THAT surprised to lose away to arsenal, and I really think shitting the bed now and getting martin o Neil or someone in will do us more harm than holding our nerve and scraping through.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 02, 2015, 03:07:31 AM
For the record, thesackrace.com has a list including the likes of Michael Laudrup, Laurent Blanc,  Ralf Rangnick, Thomas Tuchel, Frank Rijkaard and Jurgen Klopp as well as donkeys like Hughes, Poyet,  Lennon, O'Neill and Lambert
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Tony Clifton on March 02, 2015, 03:40:10 AM
Simeone and his big sidekick Burgos would sort us - and PL refs - out.

Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2015, 04:13:00 AM
Arsenal are a far better team than us and have a few world class players. Nobody expected anything much from this game so why act as though we thought the result would be much different? The middle and lower table teams are the ones we needed to get results from, and that is where Roberto has fucked up big style and why he must carry the can for an awful season. Regardless of how the season ends he should be shown the door. What if we win the Europa? What if pigs could fly? The chances of Everton having that dilemma are too small to worry about. Thanks for last season and goodbye and good luck somewhere else Roberto. Everton must move on and repair the damage. If a few rats leave the ship, let them. 
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Yobo2008 on March 02, 2015, 05:11:33 AM
One thing that hets on my tits is when supporters justify a loss against a so called bigger team by saying that we didnt expect to get anything there etc. BUT  surely the same must apply when we play Hull, Leicester or West Brom etc ? None of them hellhounds would be able to spend 28m on a player surely and would want a team for that.

Martinez has talked his way into a job he cannot handle and is making an utter mess of it truth be told. We have no hame plan other than to retain the ball at costs and are the most predictable team in the league because thats how RM sets us up week after week after week. His philosphy does not work for us-we are not Barcelona and do not have messi, neymar, iniesta or xavi to produce magic week after week after passing the opposition off the pitch. The result....players passing sideways or backwards with no penetration.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2015, 05:36:18 AM
Di Matteo would be one of my favourites.

Heavy shout, I know.

I'm starting to lose more and more faith
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 02, 2015, 05:45:41 AM
I didn't get to watch the match live today but just watched the highlights on match of the day. Highlight wise they seemed to play reasonably well with a few chances. But of course they didn't show the backwards and slow side passing movements, which I would think is causing the negative backlash type comments. Anyway bring on Stoke.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 02, 2015, 05:54:06 AM
Di Matteo would be one of my favourites.

Heavy shout, I know.

I'm starting to lose more and more faith

I'd go for that, done a good job with both MK Dons and Chelsea and had a decent run with WBA before it went south
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2015, 05:58:22 AM
I didn't get to watch the match live today but just watched the highlights on match of the day. Highlight wise they seemed to play reasonably well with a few chances. But of course they didn't show the backwards and slow side passing movements, which I would think is causing the negative backlash type comments. Anyway bring on Stoke.

I think we had more clear cut chances than Arsenal did really. It wasn't the greatest game in the world and I think some of the reactions to it should have been saved should we fail to win in midweek.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 02, 2015, 06:04:18 AM
All of this talk is extremely counterproductive when we could still win the Europa League.  Might be our best chance at real glory for a generation.

If something needs to happen in the summer or 10 games into next season, so be it.  But I don't want to fuck this chance up.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 02, 2015, 06:37:32 AM
Right now I would sacrifice a decent league position for the EL cup. If we finished 17th on goal difference but with a cup, then it is justifiable.

BUT, if we are still fighting for our premiership lives next season, bye bye Bobby. I think he is being found out.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 02, 2015, 08:11:43 AM
Oh without question we can't have this kind of League season again.  It has to be a "one off" or he's gone.  Just saying that anyone who would seriously entertain the notion of making a change THIS SEASON with Europa to play for...
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Alfie Noakes on March 02, 2015, 08:51:41 AM
For the record, thesackrace.com has a list including the likes of Michael Laudrup, Laurent Blanc,  Ralf Rangnick, Thomas Tuchel, Frank Rijkaard and Jurgen Klopp as well as donkeys like Hughes, Poyet,  Lennon, O'Neill and Lambert

Thomas Tuchel. That's the reason I joined this site. He unfortunately left Mainz and they've been in trouble since. He's a brilliant mananger but as Everton haven't won at Arsenal since the 90's, aren't we jumping the gun?
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 02, 2015, 02:39:12 PM
Wenger has had 20 years to build a style of play and we are moaning about Martinez after 1 year and a bit . Fact is we should have won that game yesterday and had Stones been less worried about fixing his fucking socks and hadn't let his man get in front of him then it may have been different . We won't go down and I just don't seet the point in changing Managers so that the next man can chop and change and ultimately achieve fuck all more than Martinez might given the same amount of time as Moyes was . Lets see where Southampton finish and what they win this season as there in lies a lesson . Likewise the promised land is now looking someway off for WHU .
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: Rhys on March 02, 2015, 02:50:51 PM
Wenger has had 20 years to build a style of play and we are moaning about Martinez after 1 year and a bit . Fact is we should have won that game yesterda

I agree with what you mean about managers sometimes need time to build their teams and style to be consistent. However wenger won the league in his first full season at arsenal playing that style, your sentence makes it sound like they only play this style because he had 20 years.

We deserved to lose yesterday, lennons was a good chance and lukakus looked a half chance. Outside of that we had plenty of the ball without ever feeling that threatening and it always felt like they could get another goal which deflection or not happened and we came away with what we deserved.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2015, 03:20:11 PM
Honestly have no clue what you're all talking about. We played arsenal who'd won as man in a row at home as we had all season (more now) We matched them and on another day could have won. It's frustrating that we aren't scoring goals and winning games but we are playing quite well and we are a million times better than the shambles over christmas. We need this season over with and the next to start but im really not sure where the massive moans about performances are coming from
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 02, 2015, 03:37:23 PM
Honestly have no clue what you're all talking about. We played arsenal who'd won as man in a row at home as we had all season (more now) We matched them and on another day could have won. It's frustrating that we aren't scoring goals and winning games but we are playing quite well and we are a million times better than the shambles over christmas. We need this season over with and the next to start but im really not sure where the massive moans about performances are coming from

What other day?

That's the point, it always seems close but how come it's not ever, apart from Palace, falling out way?

It's not as bad as at Christmas but come on, that was absolutely abysmal, that level of form was never going to carry on.

But the "upturn" in performances have seen 1 win since then.

You could predict the pattern of that defeat and that's the big issue. It was widely accepted that we'd have plenty of the ball, but offer little threat and that they'd do enough (on the back of their own low confidence due to the Monaco game) to win the game.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 02, 2015, 03:40:32 PM
. Likewise the promised land is now looking someway off for WHU .

Unfortunately WHU are looking someway off for us this season too :(
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: sirblue57 on March 02, 2015, 03:40:37 PM
Honestly have no clue what you're all talking about. We played arsenal who'd won as man in a row at home as we had all season (more now) We matched them and on another day could have won. It's frustrating that we aren't scoring goals and winning games but we are playing quite well and we are a million times better than the shambles over christmas. We need this season over with and the next to start but im really not sure where the massive moans about performances are coming from

i'm sorry, but, WHAT THE FUCK? we have not threatened a team all season, our attacking intent is the equivelant of one legged mand in an arse kicking contest with a broken foot. arsenal didnt have to come out of practise game mode.

THATS why some fans are fucking worried, this was not a one off, its benn the most consistant thing about our season, we look clueless,toothless and gutless.

for all his faults, moyes would have fucking sorted that lack of character, poor defending and made sure we were offering more than token threats. oh, and the fans would have more faith in him, because he would not bullshit them with platitudes and "phenominally" uninspired press conferences.
Title: Re: Arsenal v Everton
Post by: dax78 on March 02, 2015, 04:20:34 PM
Seriously starting to s**t myself now, just cant see where the points are going to come from. I get the Europa argument, but would people seriously accept relegation if we win the Europa?