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Title: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2016, 10:44:35 AM
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Everton FC v Tottenham Hotspur
Goodison Park
Sunday 3rd January 16:00
Premier League Match #20


Everton's last 5 matches

Everton 1-1 Crystal Palace (Lukaku)
Norwich 1-1 Everton (Lukaku)
Everton 2-3 Leicester (Lukaku, Mirallas)
Newcastle 0-1 Everton (Cleverley)
Everton 3-4 Stoke (Lukaku x2, Deulofeu)

Tottenham's last 5 matches

Tottenham 4-1 Monaco - Europa League (Lamela x3, Carroll)
Tottenham 1-2 Newcastle (Dier)
Southampton 0-2 Tottenham (Kane, Alli)
Tottenham 3-0 Norwich (Kane, Kane Pen, Carroll
Watford 1-2 Tottenham  (Lamela, Son)

Everton

Everton fell to their second consecutive home defeat last weekend with a 4-3 loss to Stoke City. The Toffees have now won just three of their previous 12 Premier League matches (D5, L4) and recent history suggests that this statistic will only continue to deteriorate as Everton haven't won any of their last six league meetings (D3, L3) against Tottenham. The one shining light for Everton has been going forward this season  as only Leicester City & Manchester City (37) have scored more than the Toffee's 35 goals this season and they're one of just two teams (Manchester City - 29) to have scored 20+ goals in home fixtures this season. However, Everton have conceded a league high 19 goals in just 10 league matches at Goodison Park this season and they have kept just one clean sheet in the process which is the joint lowest alongside Aston Villa. Everton and Villa are also the only sides yet to beat anyone in the top half of the table this season with Everton taking just five points from a possible 30 so far this season.

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Romelu Lukaku's brace against Stoke City last Monday took him joint top of the scoring charts alongside Jamie Vardy in the Premier League. The Belgian has been on a hot-streak of late with 11 goals in his last 10 appearances for Everton in all competitions and he has also scored in each of his last five premier league matches at Goodison Park (7 goals). Meanwhile, Harry Kane has scored 11 goals in the league this season with two of those coming from the penalty spot. Kane's tally of 27 goals was the most scored in the Premier League by a single player in the whole of 2015 with Lukaku a distant joint 2nd place with 19 goals. Last season, 16 of Kane's 21 Premier League goals came after New Year's Day. Kane was also terrible at the 2013 Under 20 World Cup.

Possible Line-Ups

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Tottenham

I don't have a butchered graphic on Spurs because it's been a hectic week so no apologies for that. Spurs made it three Premier League victories in a row as they snatched an injury time victory over Watford at Vicarage Road last week and they'll be looking for a fourth  consecutive Premier League win for the first time since January 2014 in this match. Tottenham have won their first fixture of the new calendar year in each of the last five seasons including victories over Chelsea and Manchester United in the two. They have lost just eight times in Premier League history against Everton and are on an unbeaten run of six matches in which they've kept a clean sheet against the Toffees in four of the last five meetings. Pochettino's side have lost just once on the road this season and that came on the opening day of the season against Manchester United, since then they've won four of their eight matches away from home.

Statistics & Injuries

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Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TSGun on January 02, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
 I live in hope...and that's about all there is to say.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 02, 2016, 12:34:45 PM
I really thought Harry Kane was going to be a one season wonder. I guess I was wrong, but I do still feel like he is not now and will never be a truly top player. Probably just my own biases coming into play though....
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TSGun on January 02, 2016, 12:52:29 PM
I really thought Harry Kane was going to be a one season wonder. I guess I was wrong, but I do still feel like he is not now and will never be a truly top player. Probably just my own biases coming into play though....

Well he's no Lukaku...

But seriously, he's pretty good. May be it takes a non-Englishman to see it?

That said, I think I know what you mean. There is the impression he's basically at his peak now with little room for improvement.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 02, 2016, 01:02:10 PM
Well he's no Lukaku...

But seriously, he's pretty good. May be it takes a non-Englishman to see it?

That said, I think I know what you mean. There is the impression he's basically at his peak now with little room for improvement.

Not English either but very prem-centric in my football viewing, so maybe that does play a part.

Another aspect might be that while people have criticized Lukaku for offering little more than goals when that is really not the case at all, it is  true for Kane to a greater extent? If you compare the number of assists they each get, Lukaku easily trumps.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TSGun on January 02, 2016, 01:21:16 PM
Not English either but very prem-centric in my football viewing, so maybe that does play a part.

Another aspect might be that while people have criticized Lukaku for offering little more than goals when that is really not the case at all, it is  true for Kane to a greater extent? If you compare the number of assists they each get, Lukaku easily trumps.

Haha...fair enough.

I tend to agree with the direct comparison, although I believe do Kane is the more instinctive finisher of the two at this moment in time.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2016, 03:20:19 PM
Superb reference to the 2013 u20 World Cup.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alanvideo on January 02, 2016, 04:44:10 PM
Echo hinting that Robles might be in for this one. Believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2016, 04:50:01 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/royal-blue-tim-howard-dilemma-10675552

Would the echo write that if they didn't know something?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
Superb reference to the 2013 u20 World Cup.

I'm very subtle.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 02, 2016, 05:10:23 PM
I'd love Gibson to get a game, but no doubt he's been hitting it hard over crimbo.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blargins on January 02, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
Awesome. I'll miss this one as I'm going to see Star Wars instead.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 02, 2016, 05:31:11 PM
Awesome. I'll miss this one as I'm going to see Star Wars instead.

I don't think I've ever been less interested in an Everton match.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 02, 2016, 05:45:02 PM
It would make sense for Robles to start, as opposed to throwing him in cold in the most important game of the season so far next up. 
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2016, 06:33:46 PM
I'm very subtle.

Not many people will have watched that tournament, but it's like having been given a brief glimpse of the Truth!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 02, 2016, 06:38:03 PM
I don't think I've ever been less interested in an Everton match.

I actually think it'll be quite interesting.

We've struggled against Pochettino teams but generally we've been in patches of ponderous play which their pressing completely smothers.

Now that we're a bit more direct we may be able to catch them out on a few occasions.

Of course we've still got to defend and they've only scored 2 less than us so they're hardly lacking on that front.

It's always interesting to see if the blatantly obvious has been taken on board.

Well, sort of. :eh:
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 02, 2016, 10:05:30 PM
I have 0 faith in us winning this. But when the pressure gets high for Martinez, he does change things (and successfully) for a few games, so this could possibly be the start of that.

This game is all about Roberto for me, expectations are ridiculously low really. As long as we dont get thrashed he's safe for the time being
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Toddacelli on January 02, 2016, 10:27:25 PM
Streams?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Toddacelli on January 02, 2016, 10:28:33 PM
Streams?

Can everyone just pretend I posted this tomorrow and did not just get a speeding ticket on the way home to watch this today please?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 02, 2016, 11:04:56 PM
Anyone else really hate Spurs? Can't help being a bit bitter about all the money they've wasted in recent years.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 02, 2016, 11:06:30 PM
Robles
Coleman stones mori baines
Barry
Barkley Besic
Deulefou mirrallas
Lukaku

More chance of me rimming jessica alba tho
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ally2 on January 02, 2016, 11:10:35 PM
Robles
Coleman stones mori baines
Barry
Barkley Besic
Deulefou mirrallas
Lukaku

More chance of me rimming jessica alba tho

I just can't see that midfield triangle working together as they are all so different. Thing is that they all have to play as we don't have much choice. I really don't want to see Leon Osman out there chasing spurs's young, fast and dynamic equivalents.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 02, 2016, 11:16:16 PM
Like to see Lennon start this one.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: kramer0 on January 02, 2016, 11:26:35 PM
Anyone else really hate Spurs? Can't help being a bit bitter about all the money they've wasted in recent years.

I'm a bit jealous of their financial situation and the fact that they do so much better commercially than we do but, on the pitch, I can't hate what they're doing, especially the way they give opportunities to their young players.

The only thing I really hate about Spurs is the Harry Kane media hype but Jamie Vardy (who I'm also well sick of) has taken the focus off of him so far this season. If 'Arry goes on another goalscoring run then, God help us all, we'll never hear the end of it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 02, 2016, 11:42:49 PM
My 3-1 defeat prediction seems optimistic now.  Had no idea we were 0-3-3 in our last 6, hadn't really considered them a bogey side.

Plus, based on goal differential (going into the weekend), they are the best side in the League.  Though again, never would have guessed that just from what I've seen.

All signs point to a proper thrashing, so footy being what it is, something totally random is bound to happen...RIGHT?

/bargaining stage of grief WOO
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 12:34:58 AM
Think Roberto will go all defensive for this one. As he does for a few games when the pressure on him starts cranking up.

So I'm gonna predict a 0-0. If we're to get beat I hope it's a spanking which leads to RM finally going!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 12:50:08 AM
Think Roberto will go all defensive for this one. As he does for a few games when the pressure on him starts cranking up.

So I'm gonna predict a 0-0. If we're to get beat I hope it's a spanking which leads to RM finally going!

Yeah, be boss to watch us lose 4-0 won't it.

Be gutted for you if we don't get a spanking tbh.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2016, 12:57:19 AM
Not many people will have watched that tournament, but it's like having been given a brief glimpse of the Truth!

I watched it. He was just a headless chicken who took pot shots every time he had the ball rather than try to play football.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2016, 01:01:26 AM
what kind of soulless cunt wants us to get 'spanked'? Jesus.

I honestly do think we will get our pants pulled down here though.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 01:03:07 AM
Think Roberto will go all defensive for this one. As he does for a few games when the pressure on him starts cranking up.

So I'm gonna predict a 0-0. If we're to get beat I hope it's a spanking which leads to RM finally going!

What a daft statement. I never understand this mentality of wanting to lose so the manager gets sacked, wouldn't it be better we won and went on a decent run? Plus there's nothing to suggest he's under any pressure from within the club anyway.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 01:18:14 AM
Right gash and ram......

Let's get this clear. There's a difference between wanting to lose and the consequences of a defeat.

Now before getting on your high horses, if you read my post properly I said IF WE WERE TO LOSE not I HOPE we lose.

The only difference between a 7-6 loss and 7-0 loss would likely be the mangers job.

I'm not going to apologize or be made out as a bad blue just because IF we were to lose I hope it's bad enough that a manager who I think is severely hampering us loses his job.

In an ideal world Martinez turns a corner and we win the amount of games we should be and I would sing his praises from the rooftops. But it's being going on 18 months now and he's just not good enough.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2016, 01:30:53 AM
It's just essentially against who I am to ever under any circumstances hope Everton get banged. Haven't got it in me.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 01:38:04 AM
Right gash and ram......

Let's get this clear. There's a difference between wanting to lose and the consequences of a defeat.

Now before getting on your high horses, if you read my post properly I said IF WE WERE TO LOSE not I HOPE we lose.

The only difference between a 7-6 loss and 7-0 loss would likely be the mangers job.

I'm not going to apologize or be made out as a bad blue just because IF we were to lose I hope it's bad enough that a manager who I think is severely hampering us loses his job.

In an ideal world Martinez turns a corner and we win the amount of games we should be and I would sing his praises from the rooftops. But it's being going on 18 months now and he's just not good enough.

It's still a daft statement. We're not getting turned over 7-0 and even if we lose tomorrow, he's not getting sacked especially with a cup semi final in three days.

Other than fans voicing opinions on social media there has been absolutely no suggestion or murmurings from within the club that his job is under any pressure.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 03, 2016, 02:28:25 AM
I just can't see that midfield triangle working together as they are all so different. Thing is that they all have to play as we don't have much choice. I really don't want to see Leon Osman out there chasing spurs's young, fast and dynamic equivalents.
Barry sits in
Besic does Barkleys work freeing him to do what he does

In my mind it works

Then you've got the three up top
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 03, 2016, 02:30:04 AM
Right gash and ram......

Let's get this clear. There's a difference between wanting to lose and the consequences of a defeat.

Now before getting on your high horses, if you read my post properly I said IF WE WERE TO LOSE not I HOPE we lose.

The only difference between a 7-6 loss and 7-0 loss would likely be the mangers job.

I'm not going to apologize or be made out as a bad blue just because IF we were to lose I hope it's bad enough that a manager who I think is severely hampering us loses his job.

In an ideal world Martinez turns a corner and we win the amount of games we should be and I would sing his praises from the rooftops. But it's being going on 18 months now and he's just not good enough.
So we lose 7 6 and that's OK?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 02:58:55 AM
It's still a daft statement. We're not getting turned over 7-0 and even if we lose tomorrow, he's not getting sacked especially with a cup semi final in three days.

Other than fans voicing opinions on social media there has been absolutely no suggestion or murmurings from within the club that his job is under any pressure.

Not really a daft statement if it meant that this game was the turning point for the board and in the long term we got a great manager in and managed to win the league. Would you then still wish we'd won this game and Martinez hadn't have eventually been sacked? Hmmmmm.......
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 03:10:26 AM
Not really a daft statement if it meant that this game was the turning point for the board and in the long term we got a great manager in and managed to win the league. Would you then still wish we'd won this game and Martinez hadn't have eventually been sacked? Hmmmmm.......

I'd rather we win, go into Wednesday confident get to Wembley, win a cup and kick on for the rest of the season in the league as well. And there's far more factors than sacking Martinez required if we are to even get close to winning the league.

Not to turn this in to another manager debate but as I said twice already there is no hint whatsoever that he's under any pressure from the club especially not on tomorrow's result.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 03, 2016, 03:18:13 AM
I reckon losing 7-0 would put some serious pressure on him.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 03, 2016, 03:18:57 AM
Not really a daft statement if it meant that this game was the turning point for the board and in the long term we got a great manager in and managed to win the league. Would you then still wish we'd won this game and Martinez hadn't have eventually been sacked? Hmmmmm.......
Surely wishing Everton win every week, no matter who is in charge is better than hoping we lose so the manager gets sacked. Isn't it?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Waltzer on January 03, 2016, 03:25:05 AM
Right gash and ram......

Let's get this clear. There's a difference between wanting to lose and the consequences of a defeat.

Now before getting on your high horses, if you read my post properly I said IF WE WERE TO LOSE not I HOPE we lose.

The only difference between a 7-6 loss and 7-0 loss would likely be the mangers job.

I'm not going to apologize or be made out as a bad blue just because IF we were to lose I hope it's bad enough that a manager who I think is severely hampering us loses his job.

In an ideal world Martinez turns a corner and we win the amount of games we should be and I would sing his praises from the rooftops. But it's being going on 18 months now and he's just not good enough.

I felt the same last season, he isn't taking us anywhere except down. The fact is, even if we lost 10-0 I don't think he'd go, especially with the cup semi and the potential takeover looming as they'll want to show stability. My hope is that if we do get taken over they see him for the shower of shit he is and get rid pronto.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 03:47:45 AM
The way they're set up and drilled is a massive factor in their relative success this season but think they're helped by pretty much having their first 11 fit, every week.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 03:59:34 AM
Surely wishing Everton win every week, no matter who is in charge is better than hoping we lose so the manager gets sacked. Isn't it?

I wish it was that simple but i'm looking at the bigger picture and i think the other guy is aswell. I can't be bothered with another Martinez debate but i'd rather lose a couple now if it meant winning the league in 3 or 4 years, that's just how i feel, we'll never come close to winning the league with the current manager. We won't even get in the top 7 this season with him in charge so a win here and there in my opinion is purely academic.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 03, 2016, 04:05:30 AM
I wish it was that simple but i'm looking at the bigger picture and i think the other guy is aswell. I can't be bothered with another Martinez debate but i'd rather lose a couple now if it meant winning the league in 3 or 4 years, that's just how i feel, we'll never come close to winning the league with the current manager. We won't even get in the top 7 this season with him in charge so a win here and there in my opinion is purely academic.
I never meant to like that post

I'm as negative as it comes with Everton but I'd never want to see us lose.
Not to prove a point
Not to stop Liverpool or any other rival from winning something
Not to see a manager get the sack
Not to see a board fucked off

I want Everton to win. Whoever is in charge.

I'm not happy with martinez, I think his time is up but I still want us to win
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 04:07:31 AM
I wish it was that simple but i'm looking at the bigger picture and i think the other guy is aswell. I can't be bothered with another Martinez debate but i'd rather lose a couple now if it meant winning the league in 3 or 4 years, that's just how i feel, we'll never come close to winning the league with the current manager. We won't even get in the top 7 this season with him in charge so a win here and there in my opinion is purely academic.

We'll never get close to winning the league under our current circumstances, changing the manager isn't going to change that and we won't attract a Premier League winning pedigree of manager if we get rid of him. It'll change things, possibly for the better but it won't put us in a league winning position anytime soon, there's far too many other external factors.

I'm losing patience with Martinez but sacking him during a transfer window (when there is little value/money for the new manager) and ending up with someone like Duncan Ferguson taking charge when we've three games against Man City in the next few weeks scares me more than Martinez attempts at changing things around.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 04:27:48 AM
I never meant to like that post

I'm as negative as it comes with Everton but I'd never want to see us lose.
Not to prove a point
Not to stop Liverpool or any other rival from winning something
Not to see a manager get the sack
Not to see a board fucked off

I want Everton to win. Whoever is in charge.

I'm not happy with martinez, I think his time is up but I still want us to win

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree, i'm not here to argue just put my point across. We all want the same thing in the end anyway, and that's our team to be successful. I'm just looking at it from a different angle
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 04:31:57 AM
We'll never get close to winning the league under our current circumstances, changing the manager isn't going to change that and we won't attract a Premier League winning pedigree of manager if we get rid of him. It'll change things, possibly for the better but it won't put us in a league winning position anytime soon, there's far too many other external factors.

I'm losing patience with Martinez but sacking him during a transfer window (when there is little value/money for the new manager) and ending up with someone like Duncan Ferguson taking charge when we've three games against Man City in the next few weeks scares me more than Martinez attempts at changing things around.

Well i could point to Leicester currently and what can be achieved with a well drilled organised team with confidence, sure they haven't won anything yet but looking at the table they've got a GREAT chance of finishing in the top 4 if not one better. That in my opinion is down to the manager, and i makes me wonder what could be achieved with the right man in charge. Anyway like i say i'm not here to argue, its just my opinion and i respect yours aswell.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 04:39:15 AM
Well i could point to Leicester currently and what can be achieved with a well drilled organised team with confidence, sure they haven't won anything yet but looking at the table they've got a GREAT chance of finishing in the top 4 if not one better. That in my opinion is down to the manager, and i makes me wonder what could be achieved with the right man in charge. Anyway like i say i'm not here to argue, its just my opinion and i respect yours aswell.

My final say on the subject.

Leicester's suddenly become everyone's favourite example but people need to stop making out Ranieri at 64 and averaging about 18 months at a club/country has suddenly become a managerial genius. And even then, they won't win the league which was your original point.

I'm away to watch the rest of the darts now. ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 05:18:20 AM
My final say on the subject.

Leicester's suddenly become everyone's favourite example but people need to stop making out Ranieri at 64 and averaging about 18 months at a club/country has suddenly become a managerial genius. And even then, they won't win the league which was your original point.

I'm away to watch the rest of the darts now. ;)

Well i never said he was a managerial genius, i just think he's the right man for the right club at the right time, something that in my opinion we haven't got (not even close). I agree with you that i very much doubt they will win the league but can you say for absolute certain they won't? At least they are in that position, i can say for ABSOLUTE certain that WE won't. That's the difference. Enjoy the darts pal
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 03, 2016, 05:47:06 AM
I can say for absolute certain that Leicester won't win the league.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 05:55:55 AM
A few weeks ago I would have said it would be typical for us to go and win this.

Now I can see us getting beaten.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jamokachi on January 03, 2016, 07:28:43 AM
I'm jealous of Spurs, and I hate myself for it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 07:47:54 AM
Can everyone just pretend I posted this tomorrow and did not just get a speeding ticket on the way home to watch this today please?

Thanks.

I hope all the likes made up for the speeding ticket.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: starblood on January 03, 2016, 08:36:40 AM
Gibson should get the call over Besic surely? Better player (as. it stands), more discipline, better passing and capable of the odd goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 03, 2016, 08:38:34 AM
Gibson should get the nod over Besic surely? Better player (as. it stands), more discipline, better passing and capable of the odd goal.

Besic will help a lot more defensivly than Gibson. Plus he's quicker and this is a very quick fit team. Gibson won't cover half the ground Besic will.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
Gibson should get the call over Besic surely? Better player (as. it stands), more discipline, better passing and capable of the odd goal.

Besic has looked far more likely to score than Gibson in matches over the last two years. Don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: bluenuck on January 03, 2016, 10:53:33 AM
We're gonna fuck this up, aren't we?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 12:06:13 PM
We're gonna fuck this up, aren't we?

Not sure you call it fucking up when a superior and much more consistent side beats you. Which, despite us arguably being as or more talented, Totenham is at the moment.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: farnhamtoffee on January 03, 2016, 12:28:24 PM
We're gonna fuck this up, aren't we?
No,when our backs are against the wall,we generally put in a good performance and get the points.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 03, 2016, 02:42:46 PM
Besic will help a lot more defensivly than Gibson. Plus he's quicker and this is a very quick fit team. Gibson won't cover half the ground Besic will.

My issue with Besic defensively is that he's got almost zero positional discipline, unless it involves a man marking type job where running round is more the skill required.

He's very prone to following the ball/player to needless positions on the pitch which can leave us more exposed than normal.

But if we're going to play our usual exposed game then Besic's greater pace might be more useful.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 03, 2016, 03:51:06 PM
Besic will help a lot more defensivly than Gibson. Plus he's quicker and this is a very quick fit team. Gibson won't cover half the ground Besic will.

I don't know where this myth has come from that Besic is a good defensive player.

He's a fucking liability, ill disciplined, likely to give away free kicks in dangerous areas, pick up a card early on and be caught out of position whilst offering little going forwards.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 03, 2016, 03:52:22 PM
Well i never said he was a managerial genius, i just think he's the right man for the right club at the right time, something that in my opinion we haven't got (not even close). I agree with you that i very much doubt they will win the league but can you say for absolute certain they won't? At least they are in that position, i can say for ABSOLUTE certain that WE won't. That's the difference. Enjoy the darts pal

I will go as far as to say Leicester won't finish in the top 4 .
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ally2 on January 03, 2016, 04:00:41 PM
Besic was actually playing left mid against Chelsea when he got injured and playing well. Off course Naismith replaced him and the rest was history.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TSGun on January 03, 2016, 04:12:06 PM
Don't know if it's the alcohol talking (bare in mind it's 8:30pm here) but starting to gain confidence as we draw closer.

My hypothesis is that the reduction in expectation is inversely proportional to the chance of victory.

A straw clutch, perhaps, a basis for a PhD, definitely not.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Juanito on January 03, 2016, 04:32:01 PM
            Robles
Coleman Stones Mori Baines

     Besic.  Barry  Barkley

    Gerry.   Rom.    Kev

Go back to the 4-3-3 on the break, which did us so well against United and Arsenal a few seasons ago.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 05:47:45 PM
Gibson should get the call over Besic surely? Better player (as. it stands), more discipline, better passing and capable of the odd goal.

Can't be going in with Gibson and Barry against a team like Spurs.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 06:02:31 PM
They've got a load of young lads who will run about a lot and we've got the worst defensive pressing game in the league.
I'll probably watch this from behind the sofa.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Juanito on January 03, 2016, 06:49:31 PM
http://www.tottenhamblog.com/2016/01/03/tottenham-tactics-can-spurs-punish-one-man-everton-midfield/


People noticing we have a 4-1-4 formation like they used to play in the 1920's
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 03, 2016, 07:17:52 PM
Spurs to win by at least 2 goals.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Tinga on January 03, 2016, 07:39:08 PM
Spurs to win by at least 2 goals.

Your optimism is about as high as mine. Part of me doesn't want to even watch this.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Toddacelli on January 03, 2016, 07:42:16 PM
Think Roberto will go all defensive for this one. As he does for a few games when the pressure on him starts cranking up.

So I'm gonna predict a 0-0. If we're to get beat I hope it's a spanking which leads to RM finally going!

(http://49.media.tumblr.com/ba63c043f06d05df44b62ddfe63993e7/tumblr_msot56Ssby1sel0pco1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 03, 2016, 07:46:06 PM
Your optimism is about as high as mine. Part of me doesn't want to even watch this.

Said that about The Exorcist but fucking loved it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 07:49:10 PM
We'll win this.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Toddacelli on January 03, 2016, 07:49:27 PM
Besic will help a lot more defensivly than Gibson. Plus he's quicker and this is a very quick fit team. Gibson won't cover half the ground Besic will.

Gibson covers twice the ground Besic does  ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ally2 on January 03, 2016, 07:49:51 PM
We'll lose this
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Fern on January 03, 2016, 07:51:45 PM
I think these lot will win the league. 1-3 is most probable score line but who knows.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Toddacelli on January 03, 2016, 07:52:15 PM
Come on Everton! These are shite!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 03, 2016, 07:57:10 PM
Got a feeling mirrallas will come in for Deulefou and Gibson or Osman for Mccarthy
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blueToffee on January 03, 2016, 08:06:41 PM
I hope we don't prioritize the Capital One Cup over this game. Try and finally get a result against someone not in the bottom half and use that confidence to move forward.

That said I wouldn't be surprised to see Lennon start and possibly Mirallas. As long as the bench is strong then I'm ok with that. Deulofeu can sometimes be most effective from the bench.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: chang on January 03, 2016, 08:15:08 PM
Why the doom and gloom?

Lawro has us down for a 2-1 win......
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 08:18:01 PM
https://twitter.com/FourthOfficial_/status/683648124427071488

Whoever runs that account isnt a fan of Howard so im thinking he's been dropped.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 08:19:47 PM
Going to get battered.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 03, 2016, 08:21:42 PM
No longer thinking of going into games expecting to win hen we play teams like Tottenham , city Rs , arsenal , more dissapointed when not winning against Norwich , palace , west ham Bournemouth,

So with that in mind will be more sweeter when we win, let's get stuck in a kick the shte out of them , win the battle , win the game ,
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 03, 2016, 08:27:14 PM
Have a feeling jags is back
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 08:37:35 PM
Going to get battered.

I think so too.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 08:42:18 PM
https://twitter.com/FourthOfficial_/status/683648124427071488

Whoever runs that account isnt a fan of Howard so im thinking he's been dropped.

Howard or Robles. It's like being given the choice of chlamydia or gonorrhea.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 08:45:39 PM
we will win this guys come on!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: minty on January 03, 2016, 08:48:34 PM
No longer thinking of going into games expecting to win hen we play teams like Tottenham , city Rs , arsenal , more dissapointed when not winning against Norwich , palace , west ham Bournemouth,

So with that in mind will be more sweeter when we win, let's get stuck in a kick the shte out of them , win the battle , win the game ,

We're 19th in fouls committed and 18th in yellow cards so don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 08:49:01 PM
you're all insane if you think dropping howard is a good idea. robles is no better and apart from a couple of decent games a while back is only a second a way from a mistake. i'm not saying howard has done any better this season but he's a little more solid than robles.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 08:54:51 PM
you're all insane if you think dropping howard is a good idea. robles is no better and apart from a couple of decent games a while back is only a second a way from a mistake. i'm not saying howard has done any better this season but he's a little more solid than robles.

They are both only seconds away from a mistake. However if it's choice between that arrogant idiot or the village idiot it's the lesser of two evils I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 08:55:39 PM
We'll never get close to winning the league under our current circumstances, changing the manager isn't going to change that and we won't attract a Premier League winning pedigree of manager if we get rid of him. It'll change things, possibly for the better but it won't put us in a league winning position anytime soon, there's far too many other external factors.

I'm losing patience with Martinez but sacking him during a transfer window (when there is little value/money for the new manager) and ending up with someone like Duncan Ferguson taking charge when we've three games against Man City in the next few weeks scares me more than Martinez attempts at changing things around.

Can't fucking believe I'm the only one who liked this.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 08:56:34 PM
They are both only seconds away from a mistake. However if it's choice between that arrogant idiot face or the village idiot face it's the lesser of two evils I'm afraid.

I'm slightly more confident with Howard in goal. Joel has a bit of butterfingers about him. Maybe we'll get a young German keeper.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 08:59:01 PM
Is Howard fucking dropped then?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 09:00:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXzc9L6WQAEHilM.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 09:00:56 PM
Besic in and no Howard would be delightful.  We'd still probably get killed, but such is life.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 09:01:04 PM
:'(
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 09:01:40 PM
UGGGGGHHHHHHH

Howard in and NO Besic.  0-for-fucking-2.  Fuck right off, hope.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: MarcusFenix on January 03, 2016, 09:02:16 PM
Anyone who wants a stream try this acestream link

http://www.livefootballol.com/channel/sky-sports-1-acestream.html

Currently got Palace Chelski on
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 03, 2016, 09:02:37 PM
ffs
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 09:03:31 PM
Don't know why anyone would be happy with that line up.

Options from the bench I guess.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Goaljira on January 03, 2016, 09:03:42 PM
That team makes me feel even iller than I already do, and I feel like death.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 09:03:43 PM
Besic better get on the pitch :'(
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 09:04:01 PM
v happy with Cleverly in there. But the most part its fucking shite. That Fourth Official is a gobshite, he never saw the team attention seeking prick.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 09:04:03 PM
He's still in then :(

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 09:04:20 PM
Enough quality on the bench there for Martinez to bring someone on in the 84th minute after we have conceded our third.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 09:05:20 PM
also, why the FUCK was Mirallas not in the squad v Stoke if he wasnt going to play today? hahahaha
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 09:05:38 PM
He's still in then :(



If he wouldn't have been in today then he'd have probably played on Wednesday so every cloud.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 09:05:52 PM
So...we can aggravate Clev's injury before the Cup tie.  Lennon for Deulofeu instead of Kone.  Dire.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 03, 2016, 09:05:59 PM
The non-existent Kone starts yet again, why can't he give Mirallas a go, who was 'supposedly' rested for the Stoke game.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 03, 2016, 09:06:17 PM
Has Del been dropped then?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 09:06:31 PM
What are people hoping for?

Jagielka on the bench.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 09:07:30 PM
At least I got my wish of Lennon starting this.

Would have preferred Deulefeou to start also though.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 09:08:17 PM
What are people hoping for?

Jagielka on the bench.

Despite the fact we're bad enough defensively as it is, a lot want to see Mirallas and Deulofeu on the wings.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
What are people hoping for?

Jagielka on the bench.

Del or Mirallas in the side, at least one of them...
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 03, 2016, 09:09:51 PM
What are people hoping for?



Us to play our strongest possible team
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 09:10:18 PM
Us to play our strongest possible team

Rather we played that on Wednesday, personally.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 03, 2016, 09:11:38 PM
Rather we played that on Wednesday, personally.

I disagree, but I accept/respect the other opinion on this kind of debate
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 09:11:41 PM
Despite the fact we're bad enough defensively as it is, a lot want to see Mirallas and Deulofeu on the wings.

I wouldn't ask for Mirallas.  Like Lennon in the side, just for Kone.  Without Deulofeu, they don't have to worry about us really hitting them on the counter.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 03, 2016, 09:13:40 PM
they don't have to worry about us really hitting them on the counter.

Or creating anything
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 09:14:15 PM
For someone who is never slow to mention how Kone has done well to come back from a career threatening injury his insistence on then flogging him every week is baffling. I bet even the lad himself wouldn't mind a rest at some point to ensure he doesn't break down again.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 09:14:28 PM
If we play an open game, they'll beat us, as every team that comes to Goodison seems to do now.

Hopefully the line-up represents an attempt to keep it tight, hit them on the break and nick it 1-0.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
As long as their central defenders bracket Rom, they can throw the kitchen sink at us now, without any worry whatsoever.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 09:15:34 PM
I'm not convinced any combination of players we have would change the result because Pocchetino's worked us and Martinez out ages ago.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 09:16:41 PM
Despite the fact we're bad enough defensively as it is, a lot want to see Mirallas and Deulofeu on the wings.

But it isn't a wingers job to defend.

If we set up properly, which we don't, we could play with 2 wingers easily.

It is daft to suggest playing a striker out of position on the left hand side helps us defensively, I think this is largely part of the problem.

If we played a better more structured system, which martinez will never do, we could utilize our squad to its full strengths.

We did it more in bobbys first season when he used Moyes solid foundations and had the partnership of McCarthy/Barry playing solidly allowing effectively, the front three infront behind Lukaku to be as free flowing as they needed to be.

Something about the shape this season has obviously cost us, but I am getting sick and tired of people saying playing with two wingers would fuck us over defensively, it isn't a wingers job to defend, our set up is what costs us.

Attack is also the best form of defense, but I agree with you at the moment with the current set up, it probably wouldn't work, that is in a sense, why I want a new manager.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: john e on January 03, 2016, 09:16:57 PM
Oh well, the jumping starfish will gift them a goal, so we'll have to score more  :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 09:18:23 PM
But it isn't a wingers job to defend.


Yes it is.

There isn't a team in the world which defends with nine players.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 03, 2016, 09:20:20 PM
You can argue all you want about if wingers should defend or not. But one thing you cant argue about, is that a winger should play on the wing.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 09:20:59 PM
Del or Mirallas in the side, at least one of them...

I honestly don't get the shouts of Mirallas,

He threw the towel in long ago and doesn't offer anything apart from a few shots at the keeper. Kone offers a lot more to the team.

And del has been shite for a while.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 09:23:13 PM
I'm not convinced any combination of players we have would change the result because Pocchetino's worked us and Martinez out ages ago.

Him and the rest of the Premier League.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 09:23:15 PM
He just wants players he can trust and will match them in work rate.

Reckon he's made the right decision like.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 09:24:31 PM
To me the rationale is clear.

Kone might not look like scoring himself but he gets the best out of Lukaku. On the right, Deulofeu isn't fit enough to play 90 minutes every game and Lennon offers more defensive solidity.

We've got a fuckload of games over this period so the idea you can smash your best XI every game is a non-starter.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 09:25:43 PM
To me the rationale is clear.

Kone might not look like scoring himself but he gets the best out of Lukaku. On the right, Deulofeu isn't fit enough to play 90 minutes every game and Lennon offers more defensive solidity.

We've got a fuckload of games over this period so the idea you can smash your best XI every game is a non-starter.

People were moaning that he wasn't rotating a few weeks ago.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 09:27:30 PM
Can only assume he doesn't think Mirallas or Deulofeu have the work rate to match this Spurs side?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 03, 2016, 09:30:21 PM
To me the rationale is clear.

Kone might not look like scoring himself but he gets the best out of Lukaku. On the right, Deulofeu isn't fit enough to play 90 minutes every game and Lennon offers more defensive solidity.

We've got a fuckload of games over this period so the idea you can smash your best XI every game is a non-starter.

Del could never play 90 mins. Makes more sense to play him for 70 than bring him on for 20 though. He probably has more goals/assists this season than lennon does in the past 4
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheTone on January 03, 2016, 09:30:29 PM
Oh well, the jumping starfish will gift them a goal, so we'll have to score more  :headbang:

to be fair to Howard he kept us in the game in the reverse fixture, lets hope he can do the same here
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 09:31:55 PM
Don't think it's a bad line up, using the squad like he said he would. Someone said the other day we had arguably the best squad in the league (we don't) and now people moan when he changes it around a bit.

We've seven games in the next 24 days, players need rotated.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 09:32:30 PM
Can only assume he doesn't think Mirallas or Deulofeu have the work rate to match this Spurs side?

This.  As much as I would like to see Mirallas start for his quality going forward, with him and Deulofeu on the wings we would be over run.  At least Lennon will help Coleman out more but we still have that pace on the counter - so I think we should be a bit better defensively today.

We do need to tell Kone that when we lose the ball, he needs to get back in position otherwise Baines will be isolated.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 09:35:54 PM
Yes it is.

There isn't a team in the world which defends with nine players.

Noted, but I mean in the sense on what they bring to the team, I'd still expect my wingers to track back and do defensive duties, of course, but that again, is due to how you shape up.

I don't know why I am arguing this really because it is down to guy who is in charge, but its just getting on my wick that people seem to think having an actual winger on the wing as apposed to a striker out of position would actually worsen how we are defensively at the moment.

My preferred choice would be Lennon and Dele on the wings as Lennon tracks back, something Mirallas rarely does.

It is about getting the balance right, we aren't exactly looking solid as bricks with Kone starting there anyway are we?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 09:35:57 PM
This.  As much as I would like to see Mirallas start for his quality going forward, with him and Deulofeu on the wings we would be over run.  At least Lennon will help Coleman out more but we still have that pace on the counter - so I think we should be a bit better defensively today.

We do need to tell Kone that when we lose the ball, he needs to get back in position otherwise Baines will be isolated.

Kone will lose Walker regularly. I don't even think it's an effort thing, he just doesn't know how to defend or where to position himself.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 09:36:16 PM
Might be a decent move playing Lennon as well from the point of view he'll be bang up for this and feel he's a point to prove.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: goodtouchforabigman on January 03, 2016, 09:36:48 PM
Any streams please fellas as I can't get that acestream to work??
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 09:37:06 PM
This.  As much as I would like to see Mirallas start for his quality going forward, with him and Deulofeu on the wings we would be over run.  At least Lennon will help Coleman out more but we still have that pace on the counter - so I think we should be a bit better defensively today.

We do need to tell Kone that when we lose the ball, he needs to get back in position otherwise Baines will be isolated.
Agree. Or Kone needs subbing after 70 mins, when he's fucked.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 03, 2016, 09:37:48 PM
Something random to look out for today - Delle Ali doing that thing where he squares upto a player and presses his head up against him

He has done this every game I've ever seen him play

Whopper
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Fern on January 03, 2016, 09:38:06 PM
They're going to play a very high intense pressurised game up top and make the pitch narrow. Difficult to combat.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 09:40:29 PM
http://mamahd.com/watch-sky-sports-1-live-stream-1.html
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 09:43:44 PM
Noted, but I mean in the sense on what they bring to the team, I'd still expect my wingers to track back and do defensive duties, of course, but that again, is due to how you shape up.

I don't know why I am arguing this really because it is down to guy who is in charge, but its just getting on my wick that people seem to think having an actual winger on the wing as apposed to a striker out of position would actually worsen how we are defensively at the moment.

My preferred choice would be Lennon and Dele on the wings as Lennon tracks back, something Mirallas rarely does.

It is about getting the balance right, we aren't exactly looking solid as bricks with Kone starting there anyway are we?

I think we are agreeing here.

I happen to think Mirallas is fairly diligent in defending. As you say, Kone is proving that he isn't. My worry with Mirallas and Deulofeu in the team is they are both very similar: direct, like to make things happen and quite selfish on the ball. I would see it leaving us even more open to the counter as they don't often take the easy option.

I've also advocated Lennon and Deulofeu as the wide-men as I see a need for a team-player to balance it out. But the trouble is Kone does allow us to get more out of Lukaku - which is all we've got at the moment.

Basically, I reckon we're fucked whoever we play there because I see it as a systemic issue rather than one of personnel.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 03, 2016, 09:44:12 PM
It's a much more cautious, defensive line up. We've been shipping goals and this is a decent attempt to try and rectify that
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: goodtouchforabigman on January 03, 2016, 09:44:27 PM
http://mamahd.com/watch-sky-sports-1-live-stream-1.html
Cheers mate, nice one
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 09:44:33 PM
Henry Winter's a talentless hack. Glad his drivel is behind a paywall at the Times now.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Ross :love:
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 09:46:01 PM
Henry Winter's a talentless hack. Glad his drivel is behind a paywall at the Times now.

Haha you proper hate him!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 09:47:25 PM
At least Martinez and Barkley are placing a lot of emphasis defending there.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 09:47:25 PM
Worst home defensive record in the league?

What, worse than Sunderland, villa and Newcastle?

Heavy salad that.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 09:47:54 PM
hope Lennon scores tonight
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 09:48:41 PM
Fucking souness.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 09:49:29 PM
Souness sounding like a proper dinosaur here.

No wonder he hasn't had a managerial job in forever.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 09:49:34 PM
Souness is a right prick ha
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 09:49:35 PM
Fucking souness.



Talking nonsense here.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 09:50:23 PM
"I hate midfielders who go and play with the back four".

Literally every good team in Europe does this.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gumpinio on January 03, 2016, 09:51:34 PM
what did souness say?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 09:52:38 PM
Graeme, you actually, genuinely signed a player because he told you he was George Weah's cousin. Fuck off eh!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 09:56:34 PM
You'd have Lukaku over Kane like.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: velimski on January 03, 2016, 09:56:35 PM
Souness has always been a cunt!

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 09:57:46 PM
You'd have Lukaku over Kane like.

Obviously like.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 09:59:03 PM
Bet we see jags come on with 20 to go and we switch to 3 at the back and lose it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 10:04:19 PM
HOw easy was that chance for them?

Some players pressing, some players dropping off. What are we doing?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:04:54 PM
Still love Baines but he needs to get tighter on crosses.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 10:05:34 PM
Spurs pressing us from the kick off, zero pressing from us when they're on the ball. First chance and they almost score. Lessons learned?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 10:05:43 PM
and WTF was Funes Mori doing there.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:05:59 PM
No help for the full backs already!!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:06:39 PM
HOw easy was that chance for them?

Some players pressing, some players dropping off. What are we doing?

Ripped open yet again. Last ditch heroics from Seamus
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 10:07:34 PM
Kone might as well be on a different pitch to Kyle Walker he's that far away from him.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:08:06 PM
Tottenham much more incisive.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blueToffee on January 03, 2016, 10:08:54 PM
Howard nowhere near that.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:08:55 PM
Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:09:06 PM
Got away with one there.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:09:27 PM
This has a horrible feeling about it.

Looks like all the confidence has been zapped out of us.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blargins on January 03, 2016, 10:09:31 PM
Thought that was in
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 10:09:58 PM
Kone might as well be on a different pitch to Kyle Walker he's that far away from him.

That reddit article has highlighted just how narrow he comes.

We're basically playing 4-4-2 but with three central midfielders and no left midfielder
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:10:05 PM
Baines needs to get tighter to his men here.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:10:10 PM
Wow. Great hit.

How's ya luck? Hopefully 90 mins of it
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
Kone might as well be on a different pitch to Kyle Walker he's that far away from him.

Everything coming down the right for a reason. I am getting tired of the Kone love. Particularly against Tottenham, who are quite good and our recent leaking of goals, we could use a really solid performance today defensively.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:10:26 PM
anybody got any REALLY hard drugs?  sharing is caring...
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: chang on January 03, 2016, 10:10:36 PM
If we had the ball then, they would of expected it to be kicked out............
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 10:11:15 PM
Absolutely nothing for Baines in the left. Looks like Kone's been told to just wander around wherever he pleases.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
Absolutely nothing for Baines in the left. Looks like Kone's been told to just wander around wherever he pleases.

Must be frustrating for Baines - so isolated and no one to link up with.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 10:12:11 PM
Spurs pressing constantly, pushing us back all the time. They're showing us how its done. Why can't we do that? That's exactly how Martinez's beloved Barca do it, why not us?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:12:42 PM
So easy for Spurs to play through us, so many gaps
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
Why does Kone ALWAYS take that extra touch that put him in trouble?

Like every fucking time
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 03, 2016, 10:13:32 PM
Same as every other game. I'm sure we'll score but we are guaranteed to concede.

Nothing ever changes.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:13:59 PM
Even the commentator knows the score. "On the left is where all the space is"

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:14:36 PM
We havent got a clue here.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 10:15:12 PM
See how they've put a man on Stones when Howard has the ball, and left Mori open. Preparing for the opposition. Love us to do things like that.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:15:16 PM
Such a waste of such a good squad of players!

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blargins on January 03, 2016, 10:15:20 PM
How come Spurs have more players on the pitch than us?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 10:16:28 PM
not looking promising, is it :(

btw @si: site's playing up again. keep getting kone thread when i click on this... :headbang:
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Craig_1878 on January 03, 2016, 10:16:29 PM
Must be frustrating for Baines - so isolated and no one to link up with.

Definitely, he's got nobody to link up with when he's on the ball and then no cover whilst defending, really do feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:16:59 PM
Look how easy it is for them to get into our final 3rd, takes all of two passes.

Then compare it to us getting into their final 3rd.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:17:01 PM
At least Seamus still remembers how to defend.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 03, 2016, 10:17:25 PM
Decent streams?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:17:34 PM
Knobheads with the sarcastic cheers to Howard.

Hope he gives them the finger
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 10:17:34 PM
Eriksen is the bomb at free kicks.

can see this going in.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 10:18:26 PM
sneaky bastards
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 10:18:41 PM
We look garbage, totally being out played at home by a side who are supposedly on par with us, yeah right!!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:18:54 PM
Is Barkley playing?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:19:01 PM
Again, they saw the lineup sheet, and said "they can't do anything to counter, full on attack."
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 03, 2016, 10:19:29 PM
Are we at home? Fuckin looks like goodison but it can't be looking at our play... Gonna be ugly this..
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:19:45 PM
That is shite
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 10:19:50 PM
It must be so easy for opposition managers to prepare their teams to play us. Like piss easy.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: MarcusFenix on January 03, 2016, 10:19:57 PM
Decent streams?

I posted an acestream link on page 6
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:19:58 PM
Kone just did a great job holding the ball up and playing it out to Baines, but then ran away from him and backwards we had to go. Absurd.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blargins on January 03, 2016, 10:20:18 PM
Heh after all this complaining, we'll nick the only goal against the run of play.
























I hope.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:20:21 PM
Knobheads with the sarcastic cheers to Howard.

Hope he gives them the finger

Fuming at that. Don't need that
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:21:38 PM
Yes Aaron
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 10:21:54 PM
Well I'll be fucking dammed.

Called it. :)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 10:21:55 PM
hahahahah.

that is mad.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:21:56 PM
OMFG, you guys called it.  What a pass, what a fucking shot.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
But here we go! Great play by all involved.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:22:01 PM
Yay.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:22:24 PM
He's a boss player him.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:22:38 PM
Correction - what a COUPLE OF PASSES
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 10:22:41 PM
haha. unbelievable. from nothing :)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 10:22:56 PM
haaaa yesss
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 03, 2016, 10:23:18 PM
Fucking finish nice all round. We can do these on the counter now
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:23:40 PM
Haha get in!!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 10:23:50 PM
Heh after all this complaining, we'll nick the only goal against the run of play.

LOL, smash and grab, but i'll take it!!
























I hope.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cjohno100 on January 03, 2016, 10:24:06 PM
just about to say how scared and short of confidence we look still look dodgy
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:24:07 PM
Well I'll be fucking dammed.

Called it. :)

Help me with lottery numbers?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:24:52 PM
Heh after all this complaining, we'll nick the only goal against the run of play.
























I hope.

Why do you think we complained so much?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:25:13 PM
Brilliant. My 1st scorer on the predo league as well!

Quality work by Rom as well.

Lennon nearly created a second there just now....
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 03, 2016, 10:25:13 PM
Bit of aggression finally from us helping a lot
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:25:40 PM
oh fuck, a corner
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 10:25:45 PM
Another brilliant pass from Cleverley to Rom for the goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:26:16 PM
Good job we have quality players
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:26:45 PM
Lennon doing some excellent defensive work there.

We need to push out
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Redartin on January 03, 2016, 10:26:49 PM
 A one goal lead is a dangerous lead.

 lolol
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
How is that not a yellow FFS??
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 10:27:12 PM
Cleverly is so so so so good.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 10:27:19 PM
Kone really does take this 'link up with Lukaku' to the extremes. He's never more than about 10 yards away at any time. Bet he follows him to the toilet at half-time too.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:27:31 PM
Great defending by Rom there too
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:28:22 PM
Very hard atmosphere for the players I imagine
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:28:50 PM
Good job we have quality players

Yeah, players this manager bought
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:29:08 PM
A one goal lead is a dangerous lead.

 lolol

Haha a 3 goal lead is dangerous for us
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:29:13 PM
Our shape still looks suspect but we've had some nice individual defensive efforts so far
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
Jeebus, Kone (x2)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 10:30:02 PM
Funny that people said Baines is past it. He's the most intelligent player we have on the pitch.
Not to mention coming back from injury..
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:30:11 PM
Spurs could easily have 4 already.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:30:12 PM
Yeah, players this manager bought

Maybe you should praise whoever bought the woodwork too
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 10:30:22 PM
fucking hell...
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 10:30:33 PM
Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 10:30:45 PM
kone is so fucking lax at times.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:30:52 PM
Riding our luck here. We have been shite.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:31:15 PM
Funny that people said Baines is past it. He's the most intelligent player we have on the pitch.

Cleverley would like a word...
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 03, 2016, 10:31:20 PM
Kone really shouldn't play much unless it's as a striker.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:31:21 PM
Aghhh kone.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 03, 2016, 10:31:26 PM
So much luck so far today.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 10:31:39 PM
You can feel the fume rising with Kone, he loses the ball so often with his insistence on an extra touch.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:31:56 PM
Spurs could easily have 4 already.

Were due a little luck I think.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
We have been lucky but we cant keep gifting them chances
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:32:29 PM
Kone needs to come off at half time here.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 10:32:31 PM
Cleverley would like a word...

And he can have one :) Baines is still the most intelligent. His anticipation and early balls are second to none. Admittedly the actual product has lacked a little due to regaining fitness like.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:32:57 PM
Were due a little luck I think.

It's true that luck does balance out over time.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:33:11 PM
We have been lucky but we cant keep gifting them chances

But that's what we do...I'd be amazed if it's anything different today
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:33:20 PM
Kone needs to come off at half time here.



It is not just my current bias, right? He has been fairly dreadful?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 10:33:24 PM
I've no idea how we're winning this, maybe its our lucky day for a change
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 10:33:35 PM
funny old game.

most of the time it's looked like barcelona v newport (us) and yet we lead :)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 03, 2016, 10:34:18 PM
Get Kone off before he gifts them a goal ffs!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 03, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
Is Lamela cross-eyed?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:35:06 PM
It's hard to compare across roles, but I would say that these are our most intelligent (in terms of "footy intelligence" by role/position):

Defense: Baines
Midfield: Cleverley
Forward: Lukaku
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 10:35:24 PM
Kone needs to come off at half time here.



Not a chance. He'll complete 90 mins and get progressively worse.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 10:36:14 PM
It's hard to compare across roles, but I would say that these are our most intelligent (in terms of "footy intelligence" by role/position):

Defense: Baines
Midfield: Cleverley
Forward: Lukaku
I mean I'd agree but possibly put Pienaar in place of Cleverley but to be fair Pienaar hasn't played for like 12 years.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:36:33 PM
Better!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 10:36:45 PM
Good football there.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:37:07 PM
It's true that luck does balance out over time.

You bet. How many matches this season have we dominated and drawn. Well, they're dominating and we're winning.

Need to take this chance
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 10:37:24 PM
It's hard to compare across roles, but I would say that these are our most intelligent (in terms of "footy intelligence" by role/position):

Defense: Baines
Midfield: Cleverley
Forward: Lukaku
Actually, what about Barry too?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 03, 2016, 10:38:08 PM
Spurs play how we want to but they have an appitite to do the really hard work of pressing the ball
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:38:49 PM
Actually, what about Barry too?

It's a close one, but Clev has a creative/vision element that gives him a slight edge.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 10:38:49 PM
Forgot the whole 'Lennon vs. Former club' factor.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
Three kids barely out of school bossing it in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 10:40:10 PM
oh my god that pass out to the full back.

easy as fuck
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:40:18 PM
We defended that cross well.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 10:40:25 PM
embarrassing...but it would be funny if we nicked another.


Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:40:28 PM
Forgot the whole 'Lennon vs. Former club' factor.

Yep.  He really wants to do well, but their players all really seem like him.  Seen hand slaps and the like at stoppages.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 10:40:56 PM
Why didn't Coleman drive to the by-line then? Hardly does it anymore. Understandable when Geri is in the team but bad decision there.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: sam of the south on January 03, 2016, 10:40:58 PM
Spurs play how we want to but they have an appitite to do the really hard work of pressing the ball

No, they have the fitness levels, the ability, and the instructions from the manager to do it
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:41:08 PM
Great ball though.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:43:04 PM
Wrong ball from barry. Kone was on
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blargins on January 03, 2016, 10:43:08 PM
Nice to see the stewards helping Coleman up there...
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:43:55 PM
Pressing as individuals comment seems really fair to me. Wish we did press as a unit. Odd that we don't as it is a huge part of modern football.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:44:05 PM
I died a little inside when I saw Coleman grab his shoulder like that.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 10:44:09 PM
Why's Hinchcliffe constantly slating Rom? The lad can't do any more than he's already doing for us.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:45:22 PM
Ross "Facepalm" Barkley
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 03, 2016, 10:45:54 PM
Exactly what we deserve.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: toffee_scot on January 03, 2016, 10:46:00 PM
To be fair, that's the least Spurs deserve
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:46:02 PM
Hahaha
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 03, 2016, 10:46:06 PM
Shameful. Dreadful dreadful defending. Just a long punt that and everyones caught on the back foot
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 10:46:07 PM
no surprise is it :(
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 10:46:17 PM
Fucks sake so simple!!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 10:46:18 PM
Caught napping, what fucking else is new.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 10:46:22 PM
well fuck
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:46:24 PM
Good goal. We never capitalise on forward play.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:46:25 PM
Ahhh fuck.

Not like we deserved to be winning
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 10:46:36 PM
Normal service resumed
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blargins on January 03, 2016, 10:46:38 PM
And there it is. On time again.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blue slug on January 03, 2016, 10:47:24 PM
We should be at least two behind to be fair they have dominated
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 10:47:29 PM
Del for Kone at half time.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:47:33 PM
Superb goal. They very much deserve that.

Gonna need more than luck to get a result here
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Redartin on January 03, 2016, 10:47:48 PM
Cue the booing at half time whistle
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:47:51 PM
Lets face it. If we had gone in 1-0 up roberto would have left it until we conceded to make a sub.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 03, 2016, 10:48:01 PM
The positive from this is it's one of the worst first halves I have seen from us in terms of possession.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:48:06 PM
Not really sure if that goal was on Coleman or Stones. Coleman was ultimately beat on the run, but feel like Stones needs to help cover there.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 03, 2016, 10:48:25 PM
That was fucking awful
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 03, 2016, 10:48:28 PM
I'd love a clean sheet someday soon.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 10:48:36 PM
We concede so many easy goals.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 10:48:48 PM
we couldn't complain if we were 3 down...which we're likely to be if things don't change dramatically.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 03, 2016, 10:49:04 PM
We get what we deserve.

Martinez hasn't changed anything, again. Especially after the disaster against Stoke it's unnacceptable.

Let's see if he changes something for the 2nd half, but if he doesn't you can only see Spurs winning here.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 10:49:06 PM
And there it is. On time again.

No defence stops a goal of that quality.

COYB, this is poised for the perfect "game of two halves"
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 10:49:46 PM
Del for Kone at half time.

agreed, not feeling to well about Mori either.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:49:47 PM
The fact that no one pressed Alderwield for the long ball annoyed me.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Tinga on January 03, 2016, 10:49:53 PM
Funes Mori is fucking shite, why did we end up spending 9 million for a defender who can't pass a ball. We play a passing based game, so what the fuck was martinez thinking?.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 10:50:02 PM
Stones can pass the ball like that so they've planned to shut him down and isolate Mori, who has proceeded to slice the ball out of play over and over.

Their central defenders can pass the ball as well but instead of planning for that we just let them and they score from it.

This tactical attention to detail is the difference between the two teams.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2016, 10:50:03 PM
Defended stoutly up until their goal which was a real piece of quality. They look brilliant, very jealous.

Asking a lot of Rom and at times he's put on a CF masterclass.

Kone...holds the ball up well but makes mad decisions. Mirallas for Kone half time, del for Lennon later on.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 10:50:07 PM
I'd love a clean sheet someday soon.

LOL not coming anytime soon mate, not with this joker in charge
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 03, 2016, 10:50:09 PM
Don't see how anyone can say Martinez hasn't changed anything, that was the opposite of most of what we've seen this season.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: toffee_scot on January 03, 2016, 10:50:16 PM
Wonder what kind of phenomenal team talk the Everton manager has.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 03, 2016, 10:50:33 PM
Good goal from Alli to be fair

No confidence that we weren't going to concede at some point today. If the game continues as it is we will do very well to get a point
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:50:53 PM
The fact that no one pressed Alderwield for the long ball annoyed me.

Yeah - i was thinking that was the best opportunity to actually have prevented that goal given the quality of the ball itself, the run and the finish.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 03, 2016, 10:51:07 PM
No defence stops a goal of that quality.

COYB, this is poised for the perfect "game of two halves"
It's a long straight ball down the middle.

Horrendous defending.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Fynci on January 03, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
The sad thing is that Martinez won't make a half time change, he'll stick with it until we're losing. That being said, he could make three subs at half time and we'll still lose this one, not many are doing themselves justice today.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cjohno100 on January 03, 2016, 10:51:56 PM
No defence stops a goal of that quality.

COYB, this is poised for the perfect "game of two halves"
it was a 40 yard ball down the middle weres a centre half sticking a head on it, sorry poor for me
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 03, 2016, 10:51:58 PM
Don't see how anyone can say Martinez hasn't changed anything, that was the opposite of most of what we've seen this season.

Well, we're still average!

;)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:52:06 PM
Don't see how anyone can say Martinez hasn't changed anything, that was the opposite of most of what we've seen this season.

Sub off Kone, who has not been at all effective?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 03, 2016, 10:52:09 PM
Spurs will win this game comfortably in the second half.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 10:52:10 PM
Don't see how anyone can say Martinez hasn't changed anything, that was the opposite of most of what we've seen this season.

hahahaha...
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 10:52:39 PM
Don't see how anyone can say Martinez hasn't changed anything, that was the opposite of most of what we've seen this season.

It's different in so far as we're sitting in and prioritising the defensive side.

The problems with a defensive game arise when you're shit at defending.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gumpinio on January 03, 2016, 10:52:51 PM
Our defence looks chaotic to me, just a swirling mass of blue shirts
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:53:33 PM
Our defence looks chaotic to me, just a swirling mass of blue shirts

This. We defend in hope rather than anything.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 03, 2016, 10:53:38 PM
Lets face it. If we had gone in 1-0 up roberto would have left it until we conceded to make a sub.

Whereas now he can wait until they go in front...


:eh:
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 10:53:42 PM
Two comparable squads of players. One manager who builds from a solid base, gets his players extremely fit and well organised and prepares for the opposition.

The other one who doesn't, and then just randomly throws a bit of defensive work in training, having apparently not bothered with it all season, and then resorts to a long ball game because he gets outwitted by the other manager every time their teams plays each other.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Goaljira on January 03, 2016, 10:53:48 PM
We look a lot more compact, but no more solid.  Its only luck that we're not 2 down.

Kone has offered nothing that half.

Coleman switched off for their goal recovering from 2 x 90 yard runs forward.  Crazy game management again.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 10:54:08 PM
Barkley needs to be more involved on both sides of the ball. When he is not controlling in the attack, he needs to get stuck in.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 10:54:12 PM
Don't see how anyone can say Martinez hasn't changed anything, that was the opposite of most of what we've seen this season.

Yes but the reason for that is that spurs have pushed us back so much that we haven't been able to attack and have 8 men in their half. So we've had to defend all half and they've still hit the post, the crossbar and nearly scored with their first attack.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 10:55:14 PM
Our defence looks chaotic to me, just a swirling mass of blue shirts
Tactics aside - there isn't a leader between Stones and Mori, is there? Need Jags back ASAP.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: chang on January 03, 2016, 10:56:18 PM
Being given a lesson in just about every aspect of the game here by Spurs.........but for a couple of wrong choice passes we would of had a couple more good chances ...... 1-1 an we are still in the game, only just......
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 03, 2016, 10:56:24 PM
Don't see how anyone can say Martinez hasn't changed anything, that was the opposite of most of what we've seen this season.

How so?

We are playing deep but are somehow still wide open. We play in flat lines and allow their players to find pockets of space easily. We leave our left side open so that Walker can maraud down the line and cross the ball whenever he wants.

Spurs could be up by 2 or 3 already.

The only difference is that we have been unable to attack and maintain possession like we normally do, but that's the same as every time we've played a Pochettino team. You'd have though Martinez would have learnt by now.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 10:56:49 PM
Our defence looks chaotic to me, just a swirling mass of blue shirts

Agree, its like he's told the players not to go all out attack but hasn't actually gone over the defensive side with them.  They have no shape and are getting dragged all over the show.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 10:57:14 PM
Barkley needs to be more involved on both sides of the ball. When he is not controlling in the attack, he needs to get stuck in.

Wish Ross was more of a snide. Top players have that about them.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: School of Science on January 03, 2016, 10:57:15 PM
We have been schooled this half have no doubt, spurs look fitter, faster, stronger and much better organized, we are lucky to be level. None has been ineffective to say the least, Mirallas the change for me. By Christ we miss McCarthy, their closing down has been first class, hate to admit it they look like a CL team. Not over by any means Lukaku has been excellent and Lennon has the beating over their fullback, but we must match their aggression or we are going to get a hiding here.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 10:57:16 PM
le saux talks a lot of sense, and most of it questions our manager's ability/tactics.

we have been as bad as spurs have been good.

hope things change.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 10:57:17 PM
I'm not blaming Coleman for that goal.

Sometimes you have to say it was a great ball. Just like cleverleys for our goal.

It's the lack of pressure their centre half had to do that which is the issue. Ours keep hitting it out of play because they have no time, whereas there's are allowed to rake cross field balls for fun
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cjohno100 on January 03, 2016, 10:57:29 PM
get del and jags on get kone off pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Trublue on January 03, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
I'd bring Besic on for Kone . Move Cleavery on the left. Just to try and help us win the ball.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 10:58:31 PM
Just don't know what to expect, we aren't very good and are up against probably one of the best sides in the league.

Bah, lets just go for it second half, what will be will be.

Boobies.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 10:59:24 PM
You just know Kone is on for the duration. Martinez doesn't do the obvious.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Tinga on January 03, 2016, 10:59:28 PM
I'm not blaming Coleman for that goal.

Sometimes you have to say it was a great ball. Just like cleverleys for our goal.

It's the lack of pressure their centre half had to do that which is the issue. Ours keep hitting it out of play because they have no time, whereas there's are allowed to rake cross field balls for fun

They did the exact same thing the last time they came to Goodison and we couldn't handle it then either. This game feels like a last season performance as well, it's eerie.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 03, 2016, 11:00:02 PM
Agree, its like he's told the players not to go all out attack but hasn't actually gone over the defensive side with them.  They have no shape and are getting dragged all over the show.

Our lack of shape is appalling.

We play in flat lines, and let one random player start pressing. It makes no sense, in what world does pressing with one player work? Even in a fucking Sunday league game the players will pass around you.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Dirty Ticket on January 03, 2016, 11:00:14 PM
jesusfuckingchrist! desperate(ish) stuff from us. have we got a coach? Tottingham have had a embarrasment of options in just about every move theyve had. -mind your head on the way out Bobby, you have got the most tallented squad of players for decades  here and you cant organise a corner or fuck all. martinez = total joke of a loser. get shut Bill you wimp
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TrevorSteven on January 03, 2016, 11:00:19 PM
This is how it goes when the moaning has put too much pressure on Bobby.

The stubborn man has changed his system - result is total meltdown. He should never have listened to any of you critics. Ofcourse we cant defend - it is Martinez - but to ask him to try to defend is worse. Now he has made his own downfall - he will never managed to get the players play that offensive game again in the samme manner after this. Subsequently his time is probably over as well.

If we gonna play a defensive counter-attack game then we need a new manager. As long as we have Martinez I think we should accept his flaws and ask him to play the way he knows best - at least it is more entertaining.

As long as we KNOW that he won't get the sack it irritates me so much that you moaners made him change a team that at least was playing much better football than last term.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 11:01:05 PM
I think people are mistaken to focus on individuals, slagging off Funes Mori, Barkley, Coleman or whoever. If ever a half of football demonstrated the benefit of superior tactics from a manager, that was it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 11:01:17 PM
I'd bring Besic on for Kone . Move Cleavery on the left. Just to try and help us win the ball.
Agree. There's no point bringing on Geri or Kev as it is - they'll just get isolated. Need to build a platform on which to allow those type of players to get involved.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 11:02:02 PM
Two comparable squads of players. One manager who builds from a solid base, gets his players extremely fit and well organised and prepares for the opposition.

The other one who doesn't, and then just randomly throws a bit of defensive work in training, having apparently not bothered with it all season, and then resorts to a long ball game because he gets outwitted by the other manager every time their teams plays each other.

And it begs the question about playing out from the back.

What is the point in taking two-and-half years learning how to do it if, instead of using it your advantage against your opponent, you abandon it because you trust your ability to play through the pressure.

The whole idea is to draw them out isn't it? If not then it's just window dressing.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cjohno100 on January 03, 2016, 11:02:34 PM
Our lack of shape is appalling.

We play in flat lines, and let one random player start pressing. It makes no sense, in what world does pressing with one player work? Even in a fucking Sunday league game the players will pass around you.
when the other team are in possesion were all over the place nobody knows who to mark or were to go
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TrevorSteven on January 03, 2016, 11:02:57 PM
jesusfuckingchrist! desperate(ish) stuff from us. have we got a coach? Tottingham have had a embarrasment of options in just about every move theyve had. -mind your head on the way out Bobby, you have got the most tallented squad of players for decades  here and you cant organise a corner or fuck all. martinez = total joke of a loser. get shut Bill you wimp

Thats just a piece for shit written with your right hand stucked behind. Martinez is no defensive coach and if you want that philosophy you go get Tony Pullis. Too bad Martinez fell for the pressure and abandoned what he is good at - attacking. He is fore sure finished soon.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Ridge on January 03, 2016, 11:04:09 PM
We've been direct at least, we've been crap in possession, but we've been losing it further up the pitch. We've not been great, but look dangerous with every other attack and we'll cause Spurs problems on the break.

Always horrible to concede just before the half time, but the goal was quality. Coleman stuttered as he got to defensive line, but the ball, control and finish were very good.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Redartin on January 03, 2016, 11:04:31 PM
Recently we play good 1st half shit 2nd half.

Wonder was that us playing well in the 1st half of this game.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:05:09 PM
Some actually nice pressing!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:07:00 PM
another slice of barkley. shame.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 11:07:33 PM
we;ve opened the game up.

brace yourselves, lids.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Ridge on January 03, 2016, 11:09:47 PM
Nice to see a bit of variation, really caught Spurs out with the pressing so far in the second half.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:10:23 PM
Double change at 60' - Deulofeu and Besic for Barkley and Kone.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 11:10:37 PM
So simple yet again. Awful from us but decent from Stones
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:11:15 PM
This is better.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:11:16 PM
Deli Ali is class. First time I have really seen him.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:11:31 PM
they quickly press until we lose the ball, then they distribute well while we scamper around uncoordinated. basic really.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 11:11:33 PM
four passes and kane is one-on-one
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blargins on January 03, 2016, 11:13:19 PM
I've seen enough. I'm off to watch Star Wars now.

Hope we get the win...
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 11:13:47 PM
stream's died
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:13:55 PM
better.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 11:14:29 PM
Lukaku screaming at Cleverley and rightly so.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 11:14:37 PM
Baines hasn't lost a yard.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:14:40 PM
I think Lukaku is getting frustrated with how shit the rest of the team is....
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 11:15:18 PM
Playing better. I can stop hiding behind my sofa, now.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 11:15:34 PM
any streams? mines gone down
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:15:45 PM
besic and delofeu ready.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 11:16:12 PM
Besic. <3
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 11:16:21 PM
any streams? mines gone down

this is OK

http://neofeed.tv/41894/1/Watch--Everton-FC-vs-Tottenham-Hotspur-/
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 03, 2016, 11:16:42 PM
any streams? mines gone down

http://streamsport.eu/soccer/everton-vs-tottenham-hotspur-sp3do6a
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:17:17 PM
besic and delofeu ready.

Hey, he's listening to me today!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:17:31 PM
Mori has been very good with his defensive work today.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 11:17:53 PM
kone and lennon off.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:17:58 PM
Good early changes. A little harsh on lennon but not many other options if we want to get Gerry on.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:18:25 PM
Booing the sub.

We are the worst fans in the world.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 11:18:43 PM
Dont think Lennon should be subbed
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:19:20 PM
good defending by Deulofeu
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:19:37 PM
Who should've come off instead of Lennon?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:20:22 PM
would have done Ross instead of Lennon but Lennon rarely goes 90'
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 11:20:42 PM
Is it a diamond?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:20:54 PM
Who should've come off instead of Lennon?

Agree. Just because a player is not playing awful does not mean it is still not right to bring on fresh legs.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:20:56 PM
it's a defensible move for sure, booing is silly
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: toffee_scot on January 03, 2016, 11:21:09 PM
Wouldn't have taken Lennon off but at least subs have been made.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 11:21:11 PM
Is it a diamond?

ross is yeah
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 11:21:16 PM
Better shape. Still massive holes in the centre like.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:22:44 PM
would love a draw. how sad is that...

but wait :)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:23:33 PM
Good football!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Amata on January 03, 2016, 11:23:38 PM
much better
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
Players are putting their bodes on the line today - been a positive.

CO EVERTON
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:24:42 PM
Finally, subs that have changed the game in our favour
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 11:24:45 PM
nice cross that.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:24:47 PM
REALLY good play since the subs came on.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 11:24:52 PM
Cleverley's range of passing is boss.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 11:24:53 PM
That's better Geri!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:25:48 PM
This has turned into one of the better Prem matches I've seen in some time.  Real skill on display.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:26:02 PM
Barry a bit slow and ponderous at the moment.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 11:26:18 PM
Some of our passing/clearances have been terrible today.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:26:31 PM
Cleverley's range of passing is boss.

He really, truly just needed someone to believe in him again.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:28:15 PM
Dang - what a turn!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:28:30 PM
Cleverly is giving me a massive erection with these passes
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 11:28:37 PM
Barry having one of those lead boots second half's. Probably knackered though to be fair, been played to death.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:28:59 PM
different game now. thank fuck.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:29:32 PM
Barry having one of those lead boots second half's. Probably knackered though to be fair, been played to death.

I think that is the spot on assessment. Probably should get Gibson on or Kev and move Clev into midfield.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:30:22 PM
Barry having one of those lead boots second half's. Probably knackered though to be fair, been played to death.

I'm terrified as to how he will be ready for the Cup tie.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:35:05 PM
Thank fuck Funes Mori was there.  Christ, Tim.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 03, 2016, 11:35:21 PM
Flap flap Howard, jeez
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:35:36 PM
howard trying to give me a heart attack :(
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:36:29 PM
Great play from Lukaku.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:37:17 PM
What a world class strike from Besic!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:37:30 PM
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 11:37:36 PM
That was a great shot by Besic
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: toffee_scot on January 03, 2016, 11:37:39 PM
Some very good chances there.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:37:47 PM
God I wish Loris were our Keeper. I think he is the best in the league.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 03, 2016, 11:37:56 PM
Credit where its due now. We are playing really well against a good team. Besic fair fucking hit that too
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:37:59 PM
I would give my left testicle for a keeper like Lloris.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
unbelievable. now looks as if we can nick this...
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 11:38:27 PM
I really love Besic. Needs to play more.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 03, 2016, 11:38:48 PM
Howard is actually a worse puncher than Tyson Fury.. never thought I'd see that.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 11:38:56 PM
God I wish Loris were our Keeper. I think he is the best in the league.

Imagine having a keeper who does the basics well and pulls off class saves.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:39:14 PM
Definitely proud of how we've played this half.  Wonderful response.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 11:39:40 PM
I would give my left testicle for a keeper like Lloris.
Would win us 10 points a season, easy.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:40:20 PM
Imagine having a keeper who does the basics well and pulls off class saves.

Loris is also the best sweeper keeper in the prem. Cuts out a lot of changes and makes very few mistakes.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 11:40:25 PM
Different team this half
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: john e on January 03, 2016, 11:41:09 PM
Would win us 10 points a season, easy.

totally agree mate, but we have Howard :(
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:43:37 PM
Loris is also the best sweeper keeper in the prem. Cuts out a lot of changes and makes very few mistakes.

Agreed.  And that allows you to play very aggressively, as Spurs do.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:44:30 PM
Besic really has been excellent.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:44:39 PM
Just a little too hard by Besic, but ALMOST the match winner.  And it was a very hard needle to thread.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:47:31 PM
That was fucking disgraceful from John stones
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 11:48:09 PM
Soooooo that's Stones to add to the list of players who think our fans are cunts.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:48:09 PM
I wonder if we could start Cleverly and Besic against City, give Barry at least a half to rest? I know that leaves us open, but so does exhausted Barry.  And there would be goals in that pairing.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: hill135 on January 03, 2016, 11:48:22 PM
nah the crowd can fuck off.

wouldn't have him any other way. was well in control.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:49:09 PM
That was fucking disgraceful from John stones

Evidence that he is a little too enamored with himself at the moment.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 03, 2016, 11:49:31 PM
Need to get behind the lads here, we can win this and it would be huge.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:50:15 PM
well, well, well. couldn't see this at half-time  :clap: 
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 11:50:25 PM
Baffled people don't see Besic has everything. Pace, skill, vision, defensive ability. Just lacks a little discipline and maturity.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 11:51:02 PM
Besic has been outstanding
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 03, 2016, 11:51:43 PM
ah man, never thought id be disappointed with a draw after that first half.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 03, 2016, 11:52:01 PM
That's about 5 through balls we've not made in the last 20 mins. Is that poor execution or a lack of quality?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Omar on January 03, 2016, 11:52:04 PM
what.a.fucking.game
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:52:22 PM
Baffled people don't see Besic has everything. Pace, skill, vision, defensive ability. Just lacks a little discipline and maturity.

And with all due respect to Cleverley...my MotM vote.  He BOSSED the entire pitch.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blob on January 03, 2016, 11:52:37 PM
fuck me. we nearly nicked it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:52:50 PM
what.a.fucking.game

Maybe the best I've seen this season.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 03, 2016, 11:52:53 PM
Nice performance second half of with some solid defending nice to see we can do it and a draw is a good result
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Major Clanger on January 03, 2016, 11:52:54 PM
I'd bring Besic on for Kone . Move Cleavery on the left. Just to try and help us win the ball.

Good shout. :)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 03, 2016, 11:53:15 PM
Have to say a huge improvement after the subs.

Much more controlled, much more solid, and overall I feel we were better that half than Spurs.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 11:53:19 PM
As bad as we are at the back some times, you have to say our decision making in the final third also massively lets us down.

I lost count of the amount of times we opted for the completely wrong pass when a player was clearly in space.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 03, 2016, 11:53:21 PM
Great game that in the end

Stones didn't look happy
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 03, 2016, 11:53:22 PM
Given the second half performance I'm disappointed to only get a draw. They barely threatened us all game.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:53:31 PM
Much better performance - looked fairly solid in defense and incisive in attack.

Looking forward to the Cup.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 03, 2016, 11:53:39 PM
What a great game of football. Played really well (second half) Proud of us today. Think all any of us really expect is for us to look like a proper team. Did today
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alex6691 on January 03, 2016, 11:53:42 PM
And with all due respect to Cleverley...my MotM vote.  He BOSSED the entire pitch.

Its a shame we don't rotate our midfield options a bit more to give Clev and Besic more of a go.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:53:51 PM
Much better 2nd half.

Martinez addressed the issues at half time, and his changes moved the game in our favour.

Besic was just brilliant and should be given a run out purely based on that.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 11:54:11 PM
I think Besic is the long term replacement for Barry.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Tinga on January 03, 2016, 11:54:48 PM
Great game that in the end

Stones didn't look happy

Probably just a bit dizzy after spinning around 4 times in his own area.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: brap2 on January 03, 2016, 11:54:58 PM
Shame we couldn't nick it but we did really well there. They are a good side and we actually defended well I think.


Stones telling the gwladys to get off his back says a lot.

Besic was weirdly brilliant in his maverick loose-cannon role of like tackle whoever you want, do what ever you want.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blueToffee on January 03, 2016, 11:55:02 PM
Not sure what to think of that game. Almost the opposite of the Norwich one. Need to start winning games though.

We looked so much more solid (generally speaking) with Besic on. Still had the odd individual silly mistake but in general a lot better.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Goaljira on January 03, 2016, 11:55:08 PM
Can't fault the second half at all.  The right players were brought on, and not 15 minutes too late like normal. 

Besic backing up my post in the 'opinion' post that he's a better attacking mid than defensive.

And Tom Cleverley is great.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 11:55:13 PM
Bit of a disconnect beginning to appear between some fans and players now it seems.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 03, 2016, 11:55:19 PM
Given the second half performance I'm disappointed to only get a draw. They barely threatened us all game.

All second half, you mean.  :D

Except for Timmy's one flap attack.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Thomas on January 03, 2016, 11:55:42 PM
Given the second half performance I'm disappointed to only get a draw. They barely threatened us all game.

They clearly have more quality and top 4 potential than us though,just look at their vision and quick thinking on the ball - one touch - find space etc. They press better than us as well.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 03, 2016, 11:55:49 PM
Besic certainly showed a lot there. Surprised me to be honest and showed great defensive awareness.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 03, 2016, 11:56:03 PM
Decent second half. Still though another game where we haven't beaten a top half side, another home game not won.

Stones would be right to moan at the crowd if he'd been defending well. But since he's been defending like a cunt, they've got every right to tell him to get rid of the ball, when he's doing Cruyff turns a few yards away from goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cuttyblue on January 03, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
Dammit, we needed 5 more minutes.

Best 2nd half performance of the year. Spurs were excellent.

Subs were superb from Robby. Players threw themselves at it.

Biggest negative: crowd getting on Howard and Stones's back.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Tinga on January 03, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
Bit of a disconnect beginning to appear between some fans and players now it seems.

Worrying really. It's not something I can remember seeing with many teams.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:56:17 PM
Gutted for you lads who wanted us to get a spanking today.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 11:56:37 PM
Besic did look great when he came on.

He also strikes me as someone who would make a good captain one day.

Anyone see how he went over to Stones to give him a rollicking about pissing about at the back?

That's the type of player we need.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Goaljira on January 03, 2016, 11:57:06 PM
I thought Stones was mouthing at Howard for not giving him an option.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 03, 2016, 11:57:12 PM
I think Martinez deserves some credit for rectifying that first half.  First time in a while he has done something tactically that made sense both starting and during the game
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:57:23 PM
Not sure what to think of that game. Almost the opposite of the Norwich one. Need to start winning games though.

We looked so much more solid (generally speaking) with Besic on. Still had the odd individual silly mistake but in general a lot better.



I think it was also as much the case that Cleverly taking over for Kone on the left side helped with possession and balance.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 03, 2016, 11:57:49 PM
Decent second half. Still though another game where we haven't beaten a top half side, another home game not won.

Stones would be right to moan at the crowd if he'd been defending well. But since he's been defending like a cunt, they've got every right to tell him to get rid of the ball, when he's doing Cruyff turns a few yards away from goal.

Very true. Running across your own 6 yard box and doing a Cruyff turn in the last minute of a game isn't really the brightest thing to do.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2016, 11:57:55 PM
I thought Stones was mouthing at Howard for not giving him an option.

Even still, Stones had at least 2 opportunities to welly it away when he got it on to his right.

If a ball isn't on, then it isn't on, just clear your lines.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Major Clanger on January 03, 2016, 11:58:10 PM
I think it was also as much the case that Cleverly taking over for Kone on the left side helped with possession and balance.

There was that too but Besic was everywhere, he did everything but score, and even that was only a whisker away.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Thomas on January 03, 2016, 11:58:52 PM
I think Martinez deserves some credit for rectifying that first half.  First time in a while he has done something tactically that made sense both starting and during the game

Why wont he play Besic instead of Barry (btw I'm not a huge Besic fan either) and Mirrallas/Delofeu (instead of Kone) with Lennon?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Macca77 on January 03, 2016, 11:58:55 PM
Really poor first half, well better second, Besic looked like a man posessed, was brilliant
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2016, 11:59:24 PM
John stones has massively believed the hype and the crowd was right to shit themselves when he's doing cryuff turns on his own line.

He had plenty of opportunities to play the pass but thought 'I'm on sky, let's show them what I've got'

That type of stuff does sum up the lack of professionalism in the squad at the moment.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 03, 2016, 11:59:34 PM
Besic alongside Barkley and Barry
Who knew

Anyway, much better second half performance
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 03, 2016, 11:59:39 PM
There was that too but Besic was everywhere, he did everything but score, and even that was only a whisker away.

Yeah, I do agree - not trying to take away from Besic's performance.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 04, 2016, 12:00:02 AM
Why wont he play Besic instead of Barry (btw I'm not a huge Besic fan either) and Mirrallas/Delofeu (instead of Kone) with Lennon?

I think it's because Barry has been one of our best players this season...
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 04, 2016, 12:00:03 AM
Not a bad point that.

Very impressed with Besic. And that we improved as the game went on.

Hopefully we can kick on from here
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Major Clanger on January 04, 2016, 12:00:31 AM
Very true. Running across your own 6 yard box and doing a Cruyff turn in the last minute of a game isn't really the brightest thing to do.

Strange that, a year ago when people said the same, everyone was up in arms about how he shouldn't be stifled and how he'll mature with time.

And he will, but he needs to be given time. Not a week or two but years.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 04, 2016, 12:00:31 AM
Martinez does this every time the pressures on, makes the obvious changes. The performance glosses over the fact that we failed to win 3 points again though
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 04, 2016, 12:00:52 AM
Why wont he play Besic instead of Barry (btw I'm not a huge Besic fan either) and Mirrallas/Delofeu (instead of Kone) with Lennon?

Barry's been in great form this season, Besic is coming back from a long term injury I see him playing more though. Kone has been working at times but I agree it's time for a change I think we will see cleverley there though
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 04, 2016, 12:00:54 AM
Why wont he play Besic instead of Barry (btw I'm not a huge Besic fan either) and Mirrallas/Delofeu (instead of Kone) with Lennon?
Barry alongside besic is good
Besic instead of Barry would leave us wide open

Mirrallas is a goner isn't he
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 04, 2016, 12:01:18 AM
Besic looks to have grown up a bit. Cleverley still impressing.

Still 6 wins in 20 games though. Which is fuckin poor whichever way you look at it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 04, 2016, 12:01:30 AM
he gets no credit for the changes aswell becaus it was obvious we should have started that way in the first place
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Tinga on January 04, 2016, 12:01:39 AM
John stones has massively believed the hype and the crowd was right to shit themselves when he's doing cryuff turns on his own line.

He had plenty of opportunities to play the pass but thought 'I'm on sky, let's show them what I've got'

That type of stuff does sum up the lack of professionalism in the squad at the moment.

I get what you're saying but the assumption about being on Sky is a bit mental.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 04, 2016, 12:02:04 AM
I think it's because Barry has been one of our best players this season...

That and Besic not actually being fit as well.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Major Clanger on January 04, 2016, 12:02:09 AM
Martinez does this every time the pressures on, makes the obvious changes. The performance glosses over the fact that we failed to win 3 points again though

The performance...glosses over...the fact that we failed to win 3 points? So the fact that we played really well, which is the only thing we can control, glosses over something that we have no direct control over? How does that work?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 04, 2016, 12:02:25 AM
Besic has always been great. Only one who can link attack and defence. Will still be overlooked for McCarthey
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 04, 2016, 12:02:31 AM
Strange that, a year ago when people said the same, everyone was up in arms about how he shouldn't be stifled and how he'll mature with time.

And he will, but he needs to be given time. Not a week or two but years.

I don't know if that is fair - you are drawing a bit of a false equivalency. Need to consider when it was during the game Stones was going on his walk about, the absurd number of times he cut in back and forth (more than any other time I have seen), and that he did have clear opportunities to clear it long. I was fine with him doing the first and second cut backs, but by the third I was a bit frustrated and the fourth was just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: School of Science on January 04, 2016, 12:02:36 AM
Excellent second half display, especially after the subs, Besic was brilliant, tackling, harrassing and his range of passing is very good as well. Could well have won in the end.

On a future note I would love to see a McCarthy, Besic axis in midfield, but again no Mirallas what's going on with him ?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 04, 2016, 12:02:36 AM
he gets no credit for the changes aswell becaus it was obvious we should have started that way in the first place

It was obvious that Besic should've started?

Don't be ridiculous.

Plus Lennon got the goal. So that changed worked.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Thomas on January 04, 2016, 12:02:39 AM
We need to win more home games,urgently. We are 11th in the League for god's sake.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/league-table.html
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 04, 2016, 12:02:52 AM
I'm not just saying it now but I've never understood the negative 'jarg tatooed hardman' stuff about Besic. He's a good, young international player learning his way in a much tougher league. Clearly got loads of ability.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 04, 2016, 12:03:16 AM
John stones has massively believed the hype and the crowd was right to shit themselves when he's doing cryuff turns on his own line.

He had plenty of opportunities to play the pass but thought 'I'm on sky, let's show them what I've got'

That type of stuff does sum up the lack of professionalism in the squad at the moment.

I wouldn't be against jags coming in for him for a bit. Ground the lad
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 04, 2016, 12:03:19 AM
he gets no credit for the changes aswell becaus it was obvious we should have started that way in the first place
the first half was wank
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Thomas on January 04, 2016, 12:03:32 AM
I get what you're saying but the assumption about being on Sky is a bit mental.

Its mental but that's why I like it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Craig_1878 on January 04, 2016, 12:03:45 AM
Big credit to Martinez for his subs, Besic changed the game and was superb. Really impressed with Cleverley as well, the thought of him and Besic playing together in the centre is quite exciting although I don't know if they could do what McCarthy and Barry do defensively. All in all though I'm very happy with that but we need to sack Kone off, he's a liability on and off the ball.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: bluenuck on January 04, 2016, 12:03:46 AM
Besic looked good. Still rough around the edges though. Needs to know when to go a full 500% and know when to reign it in a bit.

I thought when Kone came off we looked stronger as a unit.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 04, 2016, 12:04:47 AM
I'm not just saying it now but I've never understood the negative 'jarg tatooed hardman' stuff about Besic. He's a good, young international player learning his way in a much tougher league. Clearly got loads of ability.

yeah i think Ram is guilty of this ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Major Clanger on January 04, 2016, 12:05:05 AM
I don't know if that is fair - you are drawing a bit of a false equivalency. Need to consider when it was during the game Stones was going on his walk about, the absurd number of times he cut in back and forth (more than any other time I have seen), and that he did have clear opportunities to clear it long. I was fine with him doing the first and second cut backs, but by the third I was a bit frustrated and the fourth was just ridiculous.

We should send him a graph that plots the number of acceptable Cruyff turns to make in your area as a function of time and current result. :)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 04, 2016, 12:05:10 AM
Media wank a thon over delle Ali is bordering on ridiculous
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 04, 2016, 12:05:54 AM
Good match that - enjoyed it for a change. Great to see Besic back - gave us some balls. Good second half. Thought Lukaku was gonna win it at the death. Me fuckin nerves are shot waiting for another heartbreaker.

Souness is a tit.

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 04, 2016, 12:06:21 AM
We should send him a graph that plots the number of acceptable Cruyff turns to make in your area as a function of time and current result. :)

I will work on it. But i think that is more of a mental thing!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: MarcusFenix on January 04, 2016, 12:07:33 AM
Thought Rom was outstanding today, our MOTM for me, if only he could have taken one of those chances at the end. Funes Mori was much improved second half, Cleverley had a good game and Besic surely must have given Martinez a problem.

I am so frustrated with how this season has panned out so far, we are clearly very good in attack, we are so close to threatening the top 6 yet our defensive frailties hinder progress.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alfie Noakes on January 04, 2016, 12:07:55 AM
hope Lennon scores tonight

 :clap:
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GoodisonPk on January 04, 2016, 12:07:59 AM
Big credit to Martinez for his subs, Besic changed the game and was superb. Really impressed with Cleverley as well, the thought of him and Besic playing together in the centre is quite exciting although I don't know if they could do what McCarthy and Barry do defensively. All in all though I'm very happy with that but we need to sack Kone off, he's a liability on and off the ball.

Suprised you were happy with cleverly thought he was poor today.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 04, 2016, 12:08:39 AM
That Alli will be a great player
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 04, 2016, 12:08:39 AM
The performance...glosses over...the fact that we failed to win 3 points? So the fact that we played really well, which is the only thing we can control, glosses over something that we have no direct control over? How does that work?

Pretty much all we're about now isn't it. Playing good football but not winning. The fact we played deeper just makes it seem like we was better. But we could have been about 4 down at half time in reality
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Major Clanger on January 04, 2016, 12:10:20 AM
Pretty much all we're about now isn't it. Playing good football but not winning. The fact we played deeper just makes it seem like we was better. But we could have been about 4 down at half time in reality

Which is why the improvement and the changes for the second half were far from obvious.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 04, 2016, 12:11:16 AM
Media wank a thon over delle Ali is bordering on ridiculous

Almost like he's young, English and plays for Spurs!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 04, 2016, 12:11:50 AM
Reckon we'll beat City. Pellegrini doesn't prepare for oppositions, just sets the team up the same way every week and they're open as fuck through the middle and without Kompany.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 04, 2016, 12:12:19 AM
Pretty much all we're about now isn't it. Playing good football but not winning. The fact we played deeper just makes it seem like we was better. But we could have been about 4 down at half time in reality

We were actually better defensively second half - that was not an illusion.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cjohno100 on January 04, 2016, 12:12:31 AM
better 2nd half, i thought besic made a massive difference when he came on we actually started winning the ball in midfield and delboy gave us an outlet we never had 1st half
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 04, 2016, 12:13:02 AM
Besic did look great when he came on.

He also strikes me as someone who would make a good captain one day.

Anyone see how he went over to Stones to give him a rollicking about pissing about at the back?

That's the type of player we need.

He's got balls the size of church bells, no doubt.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 04, 2016, 12:13:16 AM
I wouldn't be against jags coming in for him for a bit. Ground the lad

He was on the cusp of losing the ball but got bailed out by the ref.

He was having a very good game, but that ruined it for me.

I'm still fuming now tbh.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: chang on January 04, 2016, 12:13:30 AM
Pretty much all we're about now isn't it. Playing good football but not winning. The fact we played deeper just makes it seem like we was better. But we could have been about 4 down at half time in reality

No, the reality is at half time it was 1-1
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on January 04, 2016, 12:13:45 AM
Better 2nd half but it's 3 wins from 11 homes games and the inability to beat a team in the top half at Goodison which remains a very poor return.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 04, 2016, 12:13:58 AM
Besic did look great when he came on.

He also strikes me as someone who would make a good captain one day.

Anyone see how he went over to Stones to give him a rollicking about pissing about at the back?

That's the type of player we need.
Thought that at the time. Gives us a cunty/snide side we lack, too.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Thomas on January 04, 2016, 12:13:58 AM
Pretty much all we're about now isn't it. Playing good football but not winning. The fact we played deeper just makes it seem like we was better. But we could have been about 4 down at half time in reality

Sure,but then that can't be used as an excuse for some fans to be complete idiots by  saying 'lets get Tony Pulis in' . Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Thomas on January 04, 2016, 12:15:05 AM
Reckon we'll beat City. Pellegrini doesn't prepare for oppositions, just sets the team up the same way every week and they're open as fuck through the middle and without Kompany.

Famous last words?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 04, 2016, 12:16:07 AM
Famous last words?

Nah, I honestly do. Dunno about over two legs, but I think we'll win this week.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Shogun on January 04, 2016, 12:16:19 AM
I'm made up Stones did it, absolute boss.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Lxxx on January 04, 2016, 12:17:15 AM
God knows what shape Barry will be in second half against City. He was running in quick sand last 20.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Craig_1878 on January 04, 2016, 12:17:47 AM
Souness doesn't half talk shite
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Sixx1402 on January 04, 2016, 12:18:11 AM
Martinez does this every time the pressures on, makes the obvious changes. The performance glosses over the fact that we failed to win 3 points again though

Yep totally, people seem to forget that, we're not in a good position in the league and its only going to get worse with our next 2 games away to City and Chelsea. A point at home is crap against a side who we are supposed to be equals to. Sorry but a half decent second half performance doesn't change that, especially after a dreadful first half, are we ever going to see a decent two halves from this team under Martinez? Its getting ridiculous now
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 04, 2016, 12:18:52 AM
He's got balls the size of church bells, no doubt.

Aye, bet they fucking clang as well.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Cozzie on January 04, 2016, 12:19:18 AM
Thought that at the time. Gives us a cunty/snide side we lack, too.

When we need to win ugly sometimes, he is ideal.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2016, 12:20:34 AM
Better once the subs were made.

Kone has only scored in 4 of his 45 appearances for us so he's not exactly offering a goal threat.

Cleverley on the left with Besic in with Barry in these tougher games must surely be a good option.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 04, 2016, 12:21:22 AM
I'm made up Stones did it, absolute boss.

Why, though?

I love him and the way he brings the ball out, but to do that in the 86th minute when you're drawing 1-1 is negligent.

soon as he cut inside he lost control of the situation and got bailed out massively by the ref.

I don't want him to change, but that today was pretty disgraceful.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Craig_1878 on January 04, 2016, 12:23:49 AM
Carragher rightly having a dig a Stones pissing about with it in the box. I can see why Stones is frustrated though, he was in control of the situation but you just don't piss about in that situation.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: christiffa25 on January 04, 2016, 12:25:32 AM
Some being a bit harsh on stones imo. Ok his choice of words (which was certainly not on purpose imo) probably not the best to a bunch of scousers but weeks ago he would of been cheered for doing the same thing.

The managers flaws and the way he wants the team to play is reflecting on the players when results are not good.

It's not a good situation we're in.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 04, 2016, 12:26:42 AM
Why, though?

I love him and the way he brings the ball out, but to do that in the 86th minute when you're drawing 1-1 is negligent.

soon as he cut inside he lost control of the situation and got bailed out massively by the ref.

I don't want him to change, but that today was pretty disgraceful.

The 'fuck me!' directed at the abuse from the crowd at himself for fucking about or that he's still an Everton player?

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on January 04, 2016, 12:26:46 AM
Kone seems a very likeable guy but it was like we had 10 men in the first half. 
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 04, 2016, 12:27:30 AM
Yeah, have to agree with Ram and Carragher about Stones. 99% of the time it's great to play the ball and look for a passing option, but he's got to learn the occasional time (like the last 5 minutes in your own box against a fresh player) to get rid. It brings pressure on the whole defence and gets the fans on our backs. I think he thinks he's almost failed when he has to kick it long. He needs to learn it's not a failure at all, it's necessary in some situations.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 04, 2016, 12:29:21 AM
Anyways, chins up it can only get better from here on in when we win the fuckin cup.

Slante!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 04, 2016, 12:29:51 AM
Kone seems a very likeable guy but it was like we had 10 men in the first half. 

Kone still has a lot to offer Everton. Our own frustration with Martinez's over use and misuse of him should not entirely cloud our opinions of him.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: howard1334 on January 04, 2016, 12:30:45 AM
Some being a bit harsh on stones imo. Ok his choice of words (which was certainly not on purpose imo) probably not the best to a bunch of scousers but weeks ago he would of been cheered for doing the same thing.

The managers flaws and the way he wants the team to play is reflecting on the players when results are not good.

It's not a good situation we're in.

He never would have been cheered for that.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: toffee_scot on January 04, 2016, 12:32:35 AM
A much improved second half against a team who could very well finish comfortably in the top 4.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alanvideo on January 04, 2016, 12:32:40 AM
Yeah, have to agree with Ram and Carragher about Stones. 99% of the time it's great to play the ball and look for a passing option, but he's got to learn the occasional time (like the last 5 minutes in your own box against a fresh player) to get rid. It brings pressure on the whole defence and gets the fans on our backs. I think he thinks he's almost failed when he has to kick it long. He needs to learn it's not a failure at all, it's necessary in some situations.
...........exactly. There is a time when you just have to put your foot through the ball.
Anyway it was  a decent performance today against a team who were full of confidence. We could have nicked it at the end too.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cjohno100 on January 04, 2016, 12:32:53 AM
would like to see besic given a run of games, and hopefully thats the end of kone playing wide midfield, reminds me of when heskey used to get played out wide, ive nothing against kone and think hes a useful sub to bring on when a games a little stretched. but hes not first choice as wide midfielder, would like to see besic have a few games with mcarthy when hes fit , could be a good partnership in time
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2016, 12:33:08 AM
It was ridiculous from Stones there. Even more so when we've been throwing games away left right and centre.

But...

He is encouraged to do that. It was a poor decision but when you're instructed not to welly it you open yourself up to poor individual decisions like that.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Silas on January 04, 2016, 12:34:03 AM
Stones is a child and is suffering from over exposure. He's sat alongside a player who isn't exactly experienced as well. One of them will give way and the team will be better for it. Long term Stones is obviously going to be absolute top class but there are bound to be periods of poor decision making. He's having Barkley's season last year.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alfie Noakes on January 04, 2016, 12:34:05 AM
Why, though?

I love him and the way he brings the ball out, but to do that in the 86th minute when you're drawing 1-1 is negligent.

soon as he cut inside he lost control of the situation and got bailed out massively by the ref.

I don't want him to change, but that today was pretty disgraceful.

Disagree there.

Stones is brilliant. He knew he would eventually be fouled in that situation, he can read the game.

Supporters moaning just give him more reason to leave if you ask me.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Major Clanger on January 04, 2016, 12:34:51 AM
Aye, bet they fucking clang as well.

You're treading on thin ice. :)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Major Clanger on January 04, 2016, 12:37:00 AM
If someone came here without having seen the game first, they'd be forgiven to think Stones gave the ball away and Spurs scored the winning goal from it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Brownie on January 04, 2016, 12:38:05 AM
Disagree there.

Stones is brilliant. He knew he would eventually be fouled in that situation, he can read the game.

Supporters moaning just give him more reason to leave if you ask me.

If he did the same thing at Chelsea with the way things had been there this season it wouldn't just be supporters moaning at him, the national press would be slating him massively. He will need to grow a thicket skin if fans moaning causes him to leave
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluedylan on January 04, 2016, 12:40:03 AM
Some postives anyway. Thought Funes Mori defender bravely, and looked to anticipate situations well before danger unfolded. Thought Barkley was very good again. Cleverley's long passes are really good. Del and Besic both contributed very well in different ways.

Actually thought Rom struggled a bit up against the two Belgians. They read his intentions very well every time he isolated one of them.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Trowel on January 04, 2016, 12:47:26 AM
I took Stones's frustration to be with Howard for failing to help him out when he first received the ball.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Evertonian in NC on January 04, 2016, 12:47:44 AM
The key is what we do with that second half effort moving forward.  We can't get back the points we gave away earlier in the season.  And today's valiant effort means fuckall if we go back to dicking around and giving away points.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 04, 2016, 12:56:20 AM
I took Stones's frustration to be with Howard for failing to help him out when he first received the ball.

Winner.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Heisenberg on January 04, 2016, 01:01:51 AM
I had confidence in him not losing the ball. I dont worry in the slightest when he has the ball. Its when he doesnt he's worrying
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 04, 2016, 01:15:51 AM
Its current position we find ourselves in, had a silimar incident at the GS end v stoke only that time Arnautovic stole the ball of him....... considering whats gone on , got to applaud him to still have the balls to execute it............think Besic was actually encouraging him and not having a go.........

result wise should have lost the game on first half performance, but 2nd half LLoris won them a point as can't remember Howard making any saves, other than flapping at a few crosses and electing to punch
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GLewis on January 04, 2016, 01:18:20 AM
I took Stones's frustration to be with Howard for failing to help him out when he first received the ball.

Not for me. If could have just passed it to Howard when he first got it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Dirty Ticket on January 04, 2016, 01:18:32 AM
Thats just a piece for shit written with your right hand stucked behind. Martinez is no defensive coach and if you want that philosophy you go get Tony Pullis. Too bad Martinez fell for the pressure and abandoned what he is good at - attacking. He is fore sure finished soon.
wha? - i want us to be able to see a game out.- mix it up a bit so as not to be predictable and stay switched on for 94 minutes- is that too much to ask for? it doesnt look to me like Bobby has abandoned his crab-ball slow snooze style at all. is he so dense as to not see we are predictable and easy to play against with just a bit of running and closing down from the opposition- or is effort a dirty word and we are above that- no breaking sweat for us m`boy, thats for the likes of lesser teams who we have the right to look down on!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ihatecollina on January 04, 2016, 01:54:12 AM
Suprised you were happy with cleverly thought he was poor today.
Did you watch the game then??!!
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Ridge on January 04, 2016, 02:14:47 AM
Stones was absolutely superb today and that tackle on Kane was worth a goal. Bizarrely, the crowd reaction to Stones got him out of trouble and a free kick for nothing. But he is turning away from goal, had control of the ball and situation, if he clumps it into a Spurs forward when trying to clear it across goal, it's a bigger fuck up.

Fans and commentators have said he's overplayed it, he needs to be clearing it, you can't get away with that, about most things he does with the ball. If he listened to what common perception is, he wouldn't be anywhere near the player he is.

He plays by his own standards and that often conflicts with the norm or what most of us thought was acceptable or advisable. But it gives him a far wider range of options and makes him harder to read. He plays the unexpected, he defies expectations, when he goes forward he hardly ever gets challenged, he just glides past everyone.

Everyone felt that anxiety, fear or panic of the ball near the goal, everyone except Stones.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 04, 2016, 02:32:55 AM
For all his effort today and superb hold up and running, i think we let Rom down today... he is getting better and better and unless we make it worth his while, he'll get frustrated and walk.
Sadly, this is Martinez's level and it will just be more on off, on off..
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ally2 on January 04, 2016, 02:39:19 AM
Gotta say that reading this thread after getting back it seems like most people seem reasonably happy with that.  We shouldn't.  We were absolute garbage in the first half anf they should have been out of sight.  It was like watching a training session with us down to 8 players or something.  The ease with which they could find space between our lines - particularly between defence and midfield, was shocking.  And the acres of space AGAIN down our left that Pochetino was desperately pushing his team to exploit was baffling.    there was poor concentration throughout and sloppy play but we got away with it.  Yes it was a good second half.  Yes Lennon took his goal nicely but you can't play for 45 mins and screw up the rest.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ally2 on January 04, 2016, 02:44:33 AM
Oh another thing - where are all the Besic haters now?  Come on crawl out from under your rocks you spineless jellyfish.  He was excellent today and that was his first game back as well.  You don't have to own up, I know who you are anyway.  And similar applies to Mori who was also very good except a few small errors in the first half, and Deleufeu who apparently has been 'shit' recently and so we are back to tedious shouts of 'he's better off the bench' bullshit.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Dirty Ticket on January 04, 2016, 02:47:40 AM
seems like a load of evertonians think nil satis wotsit thingy means something else. the mad thing is that a bit more concentration and we couldve gone in at half time ahead and probably won the game too
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: TheRam on January 04, 2016, 02:54:56 AM
Oh another thing - where are all the Besic haters now?  Come on crawl out from under your rocks you spineless jellyfish.  He was excellent today and that was his first game back as well.  You don't have to own up, I know who you are anyway.  And similar applies to Mori who was also very good except a few small errors in the first half, and Deleufeu who apparently has been 'shit' recently and so we are back to tedious shouts of 'he's better off the bench' bullshit.

Suppose I'm a Besic 'hater'

I'll just say he was very good today and deserves a run in the team from that showing. He gave us what we've been missing recently.

But, I'll always say when a player plays well no matter my overall opinion on them. None of this blind criticism to suit a pre conceived agenda here.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ally2 on January 04, 2016, 02:59:52 AM
Suppose I'm a Besic 'hater'

I'll just say he was very good today and deserves a run in the team from that showing. He gave us what we've been missing recently.

But, I'll always say when a player plays well no matter my overall opinion on them. None of this blind criticism to suit a pre conceived agenda here.

Well done mate. I am probably as guilty but in reverse as I have always rated him despite his criticisms, some of which may be legitimate. I was amazed how good he was today first game back. Hopefully with a year or two he can improve his tactical game but the all energy thing he does really lifts the crowd who were absolutely dead today until we played a bit better. 
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alfie Noakes on January 04, 2016, 03:06:44 AM
Oh another thing - where are all the Besic haters now?  Come on crawl out from under your rocks you spineless jellyfish.  He was excellent today and that was his first game back as well.  You don't have to own up, I know who you are anyway.  And similar applies to Mori who was also very good except a few small errors in the first half, and Deleufeu who apparently has been 'shit' recently and so we are back to tedious shouts of 'he's better off the bench' bullshit.

Calm down man, Besic is well loved here.. the others too.

If you have an issue with people here then contact them.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 04, 2016, 03:16:32 AM
Oh another thing - where are all the Besic haters now?  Come on crawl out from under your rocks you spineless jellyfish.  He was excellent today and that was his first game back as well.  You don't have to own up, I know who you are anyway.  And similar applies to Mori who was also very good except a few small errors in the first half, and Deleufeu who apparently has been 'shit' recently and so we are back to tedious shouts of 'he's better off the bench' bullshit.

Ah you can't beat a good old "I told you so" on the back of one performance.

Everyone has their favourites and everyone has players they just don't get. I can be harsh on Barkley but if we're honest he could put in a man of the match performance in a World Cup final and you'd still find reason to moan about him so don't get all arsey just because someone you rate put's in a decent shift. He was very good today though.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: bluestevie on January 04, 2016, 03:17:27 AM
seems like a load of evertonians think nil satis wotsit thingy means something else. the mad thing is that a bit more concentration and we couldve gone in at half time ahead and probably won the game too

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, if you don't know how to say it then don't use it
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Alfie Noakes on January 04, 2016, 03:25:43 AM
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, if you don't know how to say it then don't use it

Don't be too harsh, he or she is new here...



.. and will get enough flak with some of our threads.


Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: md49vd on January 04, 2016, 03:29:43 AM
anyone else sing oh nacer nacer chadli when he came on?

Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ally2 on January 04, 2016, 03:31:35 AM
Ah you can't beat a good old "I told you so" on the back of one performance.

Everyone has their favourites and everyone has players they just don't get. I can be harsh on Barkley but if we're honest he could put in a man of the match performance in a World Cup final and you'd still find reason to moan about him so don't get all arsey just because someone you rate put's in a decent shift. He was very good today though.

I think people think I'm more het up than I actually am. I wasn't actually that serious and I certainly don't need telling off.

Generally speaking though I am confused why we don't collectively support our players, especially younger or less experienced players. Now I will admit I don't rate Aaron Lennon - that's because I think he's a but of a journeyman (see thread a long time ago for a detailed discussion of the the meaning of this word) and is overall average. And the same applies to older players who don't perform like Howard.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: charlatan on January 04, 2016, 03:52:42 AM
Now I will admit I don't rate Aaron Lennon - that's because I think he's a but of a journeyman (see thread a long time ago for a detailed discussion of the the meaning of this word) and is overall average.

How can he possibly be a journeyman when he's been at the same club for about 95% of his career? lolol
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluesthedaddy on January 04, 2016, 03:54:40 AM
I know Howard has been criticised a lot, but thought he could of done better for the goal. In my opinion he dives to the floor facing left but doesn't actually go left, i think a more agile keeper may have got to that, that's my opinion.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ally2 on January 04, 2016, 03:58:10 AM
How can he possibly be a journeyman when he's been at the same club for about 95% of his career? lolol

Hint - read the bit you quoted (the bit in brackets).

Edit - sorry the discussion was a long time ago but in summary was that the American version of the word did seem to mean someone who's been around for a while, BT necessarily going through lots of clubs, and that was the definition I must have had in my mind at the time even though I'm not American.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: cantoffee on January 04, 2016, 03:59:39 AM
I know Howard has been criticised a lot, but thought he could of done better for the goal. In my opinion he dives to the floor facing left but doesn't actually go left, i think a more agile keeper may have got to that, that's my opinion.

It was a shot from 8 yards out, you really expect him to save that?

He was dodgy when the ball came in to the box but nowhere near at fault for the goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Major Clanger on January 04, 2016, 04:10:34 AM
"Journeyman" originally meant a person who's learnt the tricks of the trade, finished apprenticeship, but is not yet a master. I think the phrase refers to his need to go on a journey and work with masters in faraway lands, rather than him having already done so.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Gash on January 04, 2016, 04:11:08 AM
I know Howard has been criticised a lot, but thought he could of done better for the goal. In my opinion he dives to the floor facing left but doesn't actually go left, i think a more agile keeper may have got to that, that's my opinion.

It was never Howard's fault for that one. You can use the case that the ball should never have got that far anyway.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Bluesthedaddy on January 04, 2016, 04:16:56 AM
Maybe no keeper would of got to it, I was just implying he doesn't move left and agree the ball shouldn't of got there.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Brownie on January 04, 2016, 04:34:50 AM
"Journeyman" originally meant a person who's learnt the tricks of the trade, finished apprenticeship, but is not yet a master. I think the phrase refers to his need to go on a journey and work with masters in faraway lands, rather than him having already done so.

Ah I remember that thread
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Mayor Farnum on January 04, 2016, 04:45:19 AM
I know Howard has been criticised a lot, but thought he could of done better for the goal. In my opinion he dives to the floor facing left but doesn't actually go left, i think a more agile keeper may have got to that, that's my opinion.

You're right! In fact he should have caught it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: blargins on January 04, 2016, 04:48:08 AM
You're right! In fact he should have caught it.

And then sprinted up the other end with the ball, beating all Spurs players twice, before crossing to himself and setting himself up for an amazing overheaded volley goal from 60 yards out.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Dirty Ticket on January 04, 2016, 05:35:14 AM
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, if you don't know how to say it then don't use it
not sure if you are serious..... anyway, i was just being flippant about our fans who will accept any old rubbish, hence the getting the motto wrong-  new here so i shouldve checked if it was ok to use a bit of irony - (good job we werent playing west ham or the confusion on here wouldve caused mayhem)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Dirty Ticket on January 04, 2016, 05:41:06 AM
Don't be too harsh, he or she is new here...



.. and will get enough flak with some of our threads.
uh-oh  i`ve had it now!  :titanic:
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 04, 2016, 09:10:31 AM
Should of won.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Tinga on January 04, 2016, 06:17:24 PM
Oh another thing - where are all the Besic haters now?  Come on crawl out from under your rocks you spineless jellyfish.  He was excellent today and that was his first game back as well.  You don't have to own up, I know who you are anyway.  And similar applies to Mori who was also very good except a few small errors in the first half, and Deleufeu who apparently has been 'shit' recently and so we are back to tedious shouts of 'he's better off the bench' bullshit.

Mori is a liability and a complete accident waiting to happen. Martinez plays a game were defenders pass the ball out from the back yet Mori cannot pass a ball properly. I don't get it.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 04, 2016, 07:27:57 PM
Taken from RM's post match interview:
I felt that while Spurs had a lot of the ball in the first half they were playing into our hands a little bit.  We stopped their main threat and were disappointed to concede from such a direct ball but the way we grew into the second half and could use the squad was very, very pleasing.

UH?? Played in to our hands? We got outplayed and were shocking. This is like a boxer saying "I let him keep punching me to tire him out. It was part of my fight plan"

It was an incredible game of football with a lot of intensity and I felt that with a bit more focus we could have taken advantage with our final pass and the good opportunities that we had in that second half.

The first half would have been nice Bobby..

But overall the performance was terrific especially from a defensive point of view which has cost us a lot of points in the last few games.

It also cost us this game too.. We were 1 up. I admit we got better later on but let's face it , it's a backs to the wall fight approach again.

If we go out of the cup in a shameful fashion, then he really does need to go. I can accept losing, it's football but it's how you lose. The writing is on the wall for me... How high it is depends.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Trowel on January 04, 2016, 07:42:44 PM
Taken from RM's post match interview:
I felt that while Spurs had a lot of the ball in the first half they were playing into our hands a little bit.  We stopped their main threat and were disappointed to concede from such a direct ball but the way we grew into the second half and could use the squad was very, very pleasing.

UH?? Played in to our hands? We got outplayed and were shocking. This is like a boxer saying "I let him keep punching me to tire him out. It was part of my fight plan"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Muhammad-Ali-Winks-The-Rumble-in-the-Jungle.gif)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 04, 2016, 07:55:39 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Muhammad-Ali-Winks-The-Rumble-in-the-Jungle.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/Z6DgoSo.gif)
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: chang on January 04, 2016, 08:00:56 PM
Raining here - we're blaming Tim Howard.

ye fucking gods, give the bloke a break....
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: AllyBlue14 on January 04, 2016, 08:11:04 PM
Raining here - we're blaming Tim Howard.

ye fucking gods, give the bloke a break....

Lots of drops?
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GoodisonPk on January 04, 2016, 08:36:57 PM
Did you watch the game then??!!

Yeah I watched it. He was poor IMO.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: Fern on January 04, 2016, 08:49:55 PM
Gotta say that reading this thread after getting back it seems like most people seem reasonably happy with that.  We shouldn't.  We were absolute garbage in the first half anf they should have been out of sight.  It was like watching a training session with us down to 8 players or something.  The ease with which they could find space between our lines - particularly between defence and midfield, was shocking.  And the acres of space AGAIN down our left that Pochetino was desperately pushing his team to exploit was baffling.    there was poor concentration throughout and sloppy play but we got away with it.  Yes it was a good second half.  Yes Lennon took his goal nicely but you can't play for 45 mins and screw up the rest.

To be fair, they are better than us if I'm brutally honest (some may disagree) but for me, that 1st half display was expected. They're fitter, more athletic, agile and have a very talented manager at the helm so overall, I think  we did very well to challenge them in the second half.

I'm just annoyed about how Martinez set us up to play square passing again in our own half, against a very good side that tactically use intense pressing which surely would nullify our own half passing game. It was so obvious how it were going to pan out. That's the part I'm really disappointed with.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ihatecollina on January 04, 2016, 11:08:15 PM
Yeah I watched it. He was poor IMO.

Must not have watched him in the same manner as everybody else saw him then....
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GoodisonPk on January 05, 2016, 03:43:02 AM
Must not have watched him in the same manner as everybody else saw him then....

Seems you can't accept that I may have a different one.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ihatecollina on January 05, 2016, 11:07:11 AM
Seems you can't accept that I may have a different one.
Where do I say that I cannot accept it???? 
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: GoodisonPk on January 07, 2016, 01:39:14 AM
Where do I say that I cannot accept it???? 

Ok mate you see it one way and I see it another. Let's just hope we win today.
Title: Re: Everton v Tottenham
Post by: ihatecollina on January 07, 2016, 02:09:24 PM
Ok mate you see it one way and I see it another. Let's just hope we win today.
agreed