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Title: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2016, 06:24:52 AM
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Aston Villa v Everton
Villa Park
Tuesday 1st March 19:45
Premier League Match #27


Aston Villa's last 5 matches

Aston Villa 0-4 Manchester City - FA Cup
West Ham 2-0 Aston Villa
Aston Villa 2-0 Norwich City (Lescott, Agbonlahor)
Aston Villa 0-6 Liverpool
Stoke City 2-1 Aston Villa (Bacuna)

Everton's last 5 matches

Carlisle United 0-3 Everton (Kone, Lennon, Barkley)
Everton 3-0 Newcastle United (Lennon, Barkley Pen x2)
Stoke City 0-3 Everton (Lukaku Pen, Coleman, Lennon)
Everton 0-1 West Brom
Bournemouth 0-2 Everton - FA Cup (Barkley, Lukaku)

Aston Villa

Aston Villa lost their 17th Premier League match of the season at the weekend with a 2-1 defeat away to Stoke City. Remi Garde's side are bottom of the league with just 16 points, the joint fourth lowest total of any club in the Premier League era. Liverpool ran out 6-0 winners in the last league match at Villa Park and the home side have won just two of their last 14 Premier League home fixtures (D4, L8), though they enjoyed a 3-2 victory in this fixture last season. Aston Villa have beaten Everton 18 times in the Premier League, more than they have against any other side, yet they have only won one of their last 10 league matches against the Toffees (D4, L5). Gabriel Agbonlahor has scored more goals against Everton (7) than any other Premier League side, though his last goal against them came over three years ago and he only has one league goal this season.

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Remi Garde has been in charge of Aston Villa for 114 days now but the Villa manager has only seen his side take 12 points from a possible 48 during that period which is fewer than any other team in the Premier League table, though only seven points fewer than Everton during the same time frame. At this stage of last season, Villa had 6 more points and survived relegation with three points spare whilst Leicester City were sat bottom of the table and had just 18 points after 27 matches, though the Foxes were just seven points from safety with a game in hand whereas Aston Villa are currently eight points away from safety with the disadvantage of having played a match more than 17th placed Newcastle. Incredibly, Aston Villa have scored eight more goals this season yet they're still the lowest scorers in the league behind Swansea City (25) and they have failed to score in a joint league-high of 11 matches.

Possible Line-Ups

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Everton

Everton's last Premier League match resulted in their 6th defeat at Goodison Park this season as they failed to overcome a resilient West Brom side in a 1-0 defeat. It was just the second time Everton have lost to a side currently in the bottom half of the Premier League this season (W6 D5) with the first defeat coming against Swansea in January, again at Goodison Park. Romelu Lukaku has scored just three goals in his last 10 matches in all competitions and just 1 goal (penalty v Stoke) in his last seven league appearances but the Belgian has scored in each of his last four matches against Villa and five goals overall with two goals in the reverse fixture. Leon Osman is yet to score a goal this season but he has scored more goals (6) against Aston Villa than he has against any other side. Ross Barkley has been directly involved in 15 goals (8 goals & 7 assists) during his 26 league appearances this season, he had a hand in just 10 goals (8 goals & 2 assists) during his previous 76 league appearances.

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Unfortunately for Aston Villa, Joleon Lescott has probably been one of their better players this season and there were a number of Evertonians who suggested that the former Everton man would be a greater acquisition on a free transfer than the money spent on Ramiro Funes Mori in the summer, though the stats suggest otherwise. The two Centre-backs have spent a similar amount of time on the pitch this season and the Argentine dominates in most areas. No player in the Everton squad has better heading statistics than the Argentine (3.42 Per90) with Phil Jagielka (2.54) and Romelu Lukaku (2.45) some distance behind in second and third place whilst FuMo also has the best tackling statistics of all three Everton Centre-backs and he has averaged more interceptions than any other Everton player during his time on the pitch as well.

Statistics & Injuries

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Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2016, 06:31:22 AM
I reckon we missed on not signing lescott and Richards tbh.

Spoiler: show
LOL

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 01, 2016, 06:48:05 AM
Must win, these are a fucking shambles. Feel like this sort of thing gets said too often but now I fucking mean it. These are the second shittest Prem side I have ever seen. We have to beat them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 01, 2016, 06:57:15 AM
"Remi Garde has been in charge of Aston Villa for 114 days now but the Villa manager has only seen his side take 12 points from a possible 48 during that period which is fewer than any other team in the Premier League table, though only seven points fewer than Everton during the same time frame."

Grim, that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2016, 06:59:36 AM
Their fans have organised a protest and will be leaving on the 74th minute.

http://outthedooron74.co.uk/

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TSGun on March 01, 2016, 07:03:17 AM
Seriously if we don't win this when riding high on the wave of good news week then....then..

..nothing, I suppose.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: hannu on March 01, 2016, 07:08:57 AM
3-0 win  Moshiri hatrick
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Klown-Shoes on March 01, 2016, 09:42:52 AM
"Remi Garde has been in charge of Aston Villa for 114 days now but the Villa manager has only seen his side take 12 points from a possible 48 during that period which is fewer than any other team in the Premier League table, though only seven points fewer than Everton during the same time frame."

Grim, that.

Christ!

Their fans have organised a protest and will be leaving on the 74th minute.

http://outthedooron74.co.uk/


Whoever it was dont lend them the plane, we played like it soared and it got the message over in the same season. In fact, can whoever keep it in the air till the end of the season please, we might have a hope then.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 01, 2016, 12:27:39 PM
Agbonlahor first goal then?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TSGun on March 01, 2016, 12:32:55 PM
Agbonlahor first goal then?

...then Lescott.

We're going to need 3 goals by the look of it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 01, 2016, 12:46:55 PM
Normally I don't agree with the "have to win this game if we're going to do ..." Shouts as you can always not win any game.

However not winning here, after they won 0-6, would feel absolutely appalling.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 01, 2016, 01:19:27 PM
Lukaku hatrick. Can feel it in me bones.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 01, 2016, 01:23:49 PM
Yeah this is a must win, got a feeling it will be a tougher game for us though than the shite had it, still expect us to edge it but only by the odd goal
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 01, 2016, 02:11:14 PM
For everyone saying its "must win", why exactly? Obviously we want to win all games, but all we've got to play for in the league is whether we finish mid table or upper mid table.

A win against the bottom side proves nothing. A defeat might be a real bump back to earth for our new shareholder about his investment.

This game isn't must win for anyone except Roberto.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Rhys on March 01, 2016, 02:22:30 PM
Their fans have organised a protest and will be leaving on the 74th minute.

http://outthedooron74.co.uk/


Most of the fans who sit in the park end will think that's perfectly normal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 01, 2016, 02:34:52 PM
We won't lose tonight will we? A tiny part of me always fears the worst
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 01, 2016, 02:58:32 PM
We won't lose tonight will we? A tiny part of me always fears the worst
..............nah we've only got to turn up to get three points. What could possibly go wrong ?   :o
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 01, 2016, 02:59:07 PM
Hope not.

1) We are better away from home

2) Hopefully, should be on a high after the take over, I would imagine there will be a big buzz about the place

3) Hopefully nice and refreshed after the Dubai break, although it could have an adverse effect.

4) These are absolutely fucking bollocks, we dicked them at home, and the shite dicked them 6-0 and nearly all 6 goals where down to them being shite at the back, and shite over all in fact.

So basically yeah, they are gonna beat us tonight, lol.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 01, 2016, 04:31:21 PM
'Remi Garde has been in charge of Aston Villa for 114 days now but the Villa manager has only seen his side take 12 points from a possible 48 during that period which is fewer than any other team in the Premier League table, though only seven points fewer than Everton during the same time frame.'

A little bit of vomit came up when I read that. Shocking.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Rhys on March 01, 2016, 04:50:51 PM
We won't lose tonight will we? A tiny part of me always fears the worst

Dont think we will to be honest and there hasnt been many games this season I think we are going to win!

Villa are awful, effectively a lower league side in the premier league and when we've played lower league sides with roberto here we generally win and look really comfortable. These teams dont have the defensive capabilities to cope with how we play and arent good enough to get after us in the ways other teams do. They should in theory sit deep make it difficult and try and frustrate us but the lower league teams we've played, and villa at goodison earlier this season, try and play, leave it a bit open and we have space to play so I think we should see a reasonably comfortable win tonight.

I've ruined it for us now havent I.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 01, 2016, 04:56:22 PM
Dont think we will to be honest and there hasnt been many games this season I think we are going to win!

Villa are awful, effectively a lower league side in the premier league and when we've played lower league sides with roberto here we generally win and look really comfortable. These teams dont have the defensive capabilities to cope with how we play and arent good enough to get after us in the ways other teams do. They should in theory sit deep make it difficult and try and frustrate us but the lower league teams we've played, and villa at goodison earlier this season, try and play, leave it a bit open and we have space to play so I think we should see a reasonably comfortable win tonight.

I've ruined it for us now havent I.
Just putting my mortgage on villa

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 01, 2016, 05:07:11 PM
We'll win this by at least 3.

Stop stressing.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 01, 2016, 05:08:00 PM
Dont think we will to be honest and there hasnt been many games this season I think we are going to win!

Villa are awful, effectively a lower league side in the premier league and when we've played lower league sides with roberto here we generally win and look really comfortable. These teams dont have the defensive capabilities to cope with how we play and arent good enough to get after us in the ways other teams do. They should in theory sit deep make it difficult and try and frustrate us but the lower league teams we've played, and villa at goodison earlier this season, try and play, leave it a bit open and we have space to play so I think we should see a reasonably comfortable win tonight.

I've ruined it for us now havent I.

Yes, yes you have
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 01, 2016, 05:09:49 PM
Dont think we will to be honest and there hasnt been many games this season I think we are going to win!

Villa are awful, effectively a lower league side in the premier league and when we've played lower league sides with roberto here we generally win and look really comfortable. These teams dont have the defensive capabilities to cope with how we play and arent good enough to get after us in the ways other teams do. They should in theory sit deep make it difficult and try and frustrate us but the lower league teams we've played, and villa at goodison earlier this season, try and play, leave it a bit open and we have space to play so I think we should see a reasonably comfortable win tonight.

I've ruined it for us now havent I.

Fuxake Rhys.  Even if you're thinking this you never put it in black and white!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 01, 2016, 05:52:51 PM
I hate games like this . We should and hopefully will destroy these and assist in ridding the Premier League of them . They need to go the way of Coventry . In a way they are a similar club to us and having hounded Doug Ellis ( as we have Kenwright ) they have finally got what they deserve . They are one of the biggest examples of a disastrous take over .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 01, 2016, 06:13:56 PM
For everyone saying its "must win", why exactly? Obviously we want to win all games, but all we've got to play for in the league is whether we finish mid table or upper mid table.

A win against the bottom side proves nothing. A defeat might be a real bump back to earth for our new shareholder about his investment.

This game isn't must win for anyone except Roberto.
Plenty to play for, 6th/7th still a possibility & a european place, if we can get a few wins on the bounce, unlikely but we've got to aim for it.

Liverpool only 3 points ahead of us, want to finish ahead of them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 01, 2016, 06:15:37 PM
They got beat 3-0 by their own under 21's in the last week.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2016, 07:07:38 PM
For everyone saying its "must win", why exactly? Obviously we want to win all games, but all we've got to play for in the league is whether we finish mid table or upper mid table.

A win against the bottom side proves nothing. A defeat might be a real bump back to earth for our new shareholder about his investment.

This game isn't must win for anyone except Roberto.

Because if we could put a run of results together, Europa League is still very achievable and if we could do that (and/or win an FA Cup), it would add to the forward momentum we've got as a club now and might also help us with player recruitment in the summer.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2016, 07:15:40 PM
Stroll in the park.....(argh!)

Fucksakes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 01, 2016, 07:33:31 PM
Because if we could put a run of results together, Europa League is still very achievable and if we could do that (and/or win an FA Cup), it would add to the forward momentum we've got as a club now and might also help us with player recruitment in the summer.

Problem is we've been saying this since about the tenth game of the season and haven't shown much sign of putting together a decent, undefeated run.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2016, 07:36:15 PM
Problem is we've been saying this since about the tenth game of the season and haven't shown much sign of putting together a decent, undefeated run.

True, but it's still there to be done. I'm not saying we will, but we still could.

I'm hoping that Moshiri coming in, and the additional spotlight on Martinez, forces him to be pragmatic for the rest of the season, because he realises he needs to start delivering results. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 01, 2016, 07:41:55 PM
True, but it's still there to be done. I'm not saying we will, but we still could.

I'm hoping that Moshiri coming in, and the additional spotlight on Martinez, forces him to be pragmatic for the rest of the season, because he realises he needs to start delivering results. 

Hopefully but I don't honestly see changes in the boardroom giving us an uplift in performance on the pitch. Martinez might do his annual end of season "tighten things up" but I don't think over the long term he's going to change much. I don't think he feels any great pressure to deliver results as he's on some long term mission and thinks he has all the time in the world to get it right.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2016, 07:48:57 PM
Hopefully but I don't honestly see changes in the boardroom giving us an uplift in performance on the pitch. Martinez might do his annual end of season "tighten things up" but I don't think over the long term he's going to change much. I don't think he feels any great pressure to deliver results as he's on some long term mission and thinks he has all the time in the world to get it right.

And we're all guessing at the moment really.

Just going off the letter that Moshiri (and Usmanov) wrote to the Arsenal supporters, and listening to one or two Arsenal fans talk about him, I think he's going to be a bit more ruthless and results orientated than we've been used to.

I know BK is still around, but this guy is effectively the owner now, and it's his money. He wasn't willing to accept Arsenal just getting 4th every season and that's why a lot of Arsenal fans wanted him and Usmanov to take over.

I personally think, after an initial assessment period, he'll want to bring some of his own people in and that the pressure on people all over the club to achieve will increase, which in my view, can only be a good thing. I think you're underestimating the level of his ambition.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2016, 08:03:47 PM
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Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: arteta4spain on March 01, 2016, 08:05:56 PM
And we're all guessing at the moment really.

Just going off the letter that Moshiri (and Usmanov) wrote to the Arsenal supporters, and listening to one or two Arsenal fans talk about him, I think he's going to be a bit more ruthless and results orientated than we've been used to.

I know BK is still around, but this guy is effectively the owner now, and it's his money. He wasn't willing to accept Arsenal just getting 4th every season and that's why a lot of Arsenal fans wanted him and Usmanov to take over.

I personally think, after an initial assessment period, he'll want to bring some of his own people in and that the pressure on people all over the club to achieve will increase, which in my view, can only be a good thing. I think you're underestimating the level of his ambition.


Very true. I think that Moshiri's appointment will give pressure on Roberto and the players. And especially the former. He might possibly give incentives for finishing a certain position and that might spur the players and Roberto on to be as good as they can be in the remaining games.
I'm not saying I want him to be telling Roberto how to manage the team but he needs to be letting him know what the targets should be for the remaining of the season and beyond. I'm assuming he's hinted at this already and Kenwright is aware too.
We can't pussyfoot around anymore and just be content with what we've got now. Just look at our motto for Christ sake!
But I hope we start seeing a brand of football in the coming weeks that gets us up towards the Europa placings as I think that should be a MINIMUM requirement now and I think Moshiri will be ruthless and not stand for any "second season" syndrome performances.
Roberto, it's over to you. I give him until Nov next season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 01, 2016, 08:13:02 PM

Hopefully but I don't honestly see changes in the boardroom giving us an uplift in performance on the pitch. Martinez might do his annual end of season "tighten things up" but I don't think over the long term he's going to change much. I don't think he feels any great pressure to deliver results as he's on some long term mission and thinks he has all the time in the world to get it right.

I suppose whenever the conversations take place re new money (for whatever purposes) that timelines, or deadlines, will be included.

Previously we've always had (justifiable for many years) excuses for the length of time it can take to get anywhere.

RM has acknowledged that whatever Moshiri is bringing is likely to mean the end date for any plans can be brought forward. That in itself is a pressure.

And we know he tends to be more pragmatic when there is pressure.

But I agree with you that if I had to bet on whether he'll significantly change, I'd go for no.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: ihatecollina on March 01, 2016, 08:14:38 PM
C'mon Everton...... these are shite!!!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 01, 2016, 08:16:21 PM
I think you're underestimating the level of his ambition.

Not at all, I'm questioning whether Martinez will react to the pressure or just carry on as he is thinking it's all fine margins and everything is coming together nicely, which it isn't.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2016, 08:20:53 PM
Not at all, I'm questioning whether Martinez will react to the pressure or just carry on as he is thinking it's all fine margins and everything is coming together nicely, which it isn't.

Ah ok, misunderstood a bit. Your comment was more about Martinez than Moshiri?

Either way that's good then. If he reacts and it's a fundamental change to his outlook, sound, and if he doesn't, he'll should be out the door much quicker than would've been the case under BK.

If Martinez just drifts along with the same 'we're working towards becoming a good side' nonsense, he'll only have himself to blame if he gets the bullet and doesn't get a job on the same level again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2016, 08:26:10 PM
I wonder whether this will be the last time this is the most played league fixture in English football?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2016, 08:38:43 PM
I wonder whether this will be the last time this is the most played league fixture in English football?

bit dramatic, shogs.

they'll be back, one day, unfortunately...

(or do you have a cunning plan? :))
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 01, 2016, 08:40:42 PM
bit dramatic, shogs.

they'll be back, one day, unfortunately...

(or do you have a cunning plan? :))

Depends how soon they're back, blob.

I think the derby is only 6 or so behind.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2016, 08:42:32 PM
Depends how soon they're back, blob.

I think the derby is only 6 or so behind.

conveniently forgot that   :bonk:
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Danny on March 01, 2016, 08:51:47 PM
We'll fuck these, I honestly think a corner has been turned and the WBA game was just a blip, on another day we'd have got the few we need and Pulis has always been a thorn in our side.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 01, 2016, 10:35:33 PM
Has anyone hated on Agbonlahor yet? Such a moustachioed twat nowadays.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2016, 10:55:00 PM
Has anyone hated on Agbonlahor yet? Such a moustachioed twat nowadays.

haha. he does look a bit like a pimp:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/632286124199813121/dO-y3IBh_400x400.jpg)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 01, 2016, 11:04:32 PM
haha. he does look a bit like a pimp:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/632286124199813121/dO-y3IBh_400x400.jpg)

I hear a Chinese club are after him.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/29/chinas-pollution-problem-gets-hairy-as-activists-reveal-nose-tache-to-filter-smog
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 01, 2016, 11:06:40 PM

Massive game for Martinez. Needs the fans on side with change up at the top
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 01, 2016, 11:29:57 PM
Be nice to win a couple now and keep the good feeling going. Beating these then west ham who have become everyone's love to hate club would be a start. Strongly back us to  struggle against these then kill West Ham
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 01, 2016, 11:32:07 PM
all the expectation from a revitalised everton...

total doom from a hopelessly struggling villa...

all set up isn't it   :whistle:
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 12:29:01 AM
Need to make a statement here with a good win to launch the new era and kick-start the final third of the season.

COYB !!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 12:32:58 AM
Terrified to see team news haha
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2016, 12:34:50 AM
This on telly or what
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2016, 12:39:41 AM
This on telly or what
Loads of foreign channels
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 12:47:11 AM
Mirallas !!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 12:47:37 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cce8_3MWwAAispI.jpg)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 12:48:54 AM
Guna batter these
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 02, 2016, 12:49:17 AM
Will @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108) ever be able to predict a team right?...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 12:51:52 AM
Got200 quid on at 4/5. Expect even more moaning from me if we dont win
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 02, 2016, 12:55:19 AM
Why does Mori have the kids kit on.

I reckon he is Muslim and can't advertise beer.

But we all Muslim now aren't we   :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 02, 2016, 12:58:32 AM
Why does Mori have the kids kit on.

I reckon he is Muslim and can't advertise beer.

But we all Muslim now aren't we   :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Gibson licked all the Chang off before the photo shoot.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheTone on March 02, 2016, 01:00:14 AM
Why does Mori have the kids kit on.

I reckon he is Muslim and can't advertise beer.

But we all Muslim now aren't we   :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

I'm just glad he's not Shiite
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 01:00:18 AM
Made up with that lineup. Martinez is consistently getting the team right if not his tactics.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 02, 2016, 01:04:39 AM
Gestede in the air worries me

Worst case scenario He nods one in early on for them and they just put everyone behind the ball to defend the 1-0

The Kryptonite to Roberto Martinez' Superman!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 02, 2016, 01:05:57 AM
Is Niasse still injured ? What a bench though, Baines, Stones, Jerry !
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Brownie on March 02, 2016, 01:07:45 AM
Where's Tom?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 01:08:55 AM
Where's Tom?

out on the tiles...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: macca12 on March 02, 2016, 01:09:02 AM
He's ill apparently.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2016, 01:10:57 AM
That's the only reason Mirallas is playing then.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 01:11:04 AM
Is Niasse still injured ? What a bench though, Baines, Stones, Jerry !

he is on the bench!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: velimski on March 02, 2016, 01:13:19 AM
Was hoping that Deulofeu would start this one - reckon he would have caused havoc on the counter attack.

Still plenty of pace in the side though especially with Mirallas starting.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 02, 2016, 01:15:59 AM
he is on the bench!
Ah, o.k. Then, didn't see him on the BBC line up ten minutes ago, on now though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 01:18:07 AM
Two wingers.

TWO FUCKING WINGERS.

Christ, this week just gets better.

Fucking massive erect penis.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 02, 2016, 01:19:11 AM
Oviedo :(
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 01:20:31 AM
Usually when the team line up is how I want it we do shite.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 02, 2016, 01:21:14 AM
Oviedo :(
...........he really shouldn't be playing if Baines is fit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 02, 2016, 01:23:29 AM
Guzan starting for them, first time since the start of the year.

You know what that means...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 01:24:42 AM
Guzan starting for them, first time since the start of the year.

You know what that means...

he's going to score
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2016, 01:25:42 AM
Guzan starting for them, first time since the start of the year.

You know what that means...

Guzan and Howard, what a time to be American.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 02, 2016, 01:27:45 AM
...........he really shouldn't be playing if Baines is fit.

Do we think that Fumo should be keeping Stones on the bench ? I'm 50/50 ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 01:29:05 AM
Do we think that Fumo should be keeping Stones on the bench ? I'm 50/50 ?

Given Gestede is playing having someone strong in the air is important.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 01:30:30 AM
Guzan and Howard, what a time to be American.

It's amazing how quickly that position went from being strong to shite.

Although, really you can say that about the entire US national team at the moment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 02, 2016, 01:31:21 AM
Guzan is awful.  I honestly think he's the worst keeeper in the league.  Just worse than Howard
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 02, 2016, 01:31:26 AM
Win

2-0

Lukakukukukukuku
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 01:33:24 AM
Streams? Preferably HD? Always kinda hate asking that like.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 02, 2016, 01:35:07 AM
Streams? Preferably HD? Always kinda hate asking that like.

Beggars can't be choosers.

http://www.streamsarena.eu/lsh/streamhd2.html

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 01:35:50 AM
Beggars can't be choosers.

http://www.streamsarena.eu/lsh/streamhd2.html

(Says HD but just isn't).

Thanks, I'm just a proper lazy bastard when it comes to searching for them on my own, especially decent ones.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 02, 2016, 01:36:37 AM
Thanks, I'm just a proper lazy bastard when it comes to searching for them on my own, especially decent ones.

Same as @TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602), also this stream is actually quality.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 01:38:51 AM
he's going to score

I wouldn't even be angry if this happened because it would be too damn funny.

Unlike when Danny Graham scored. Nothing funny about that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 02, 2016, 01:41:23 AM
Thanks, I'm just a proper lazy bastard when it comes to searching for them on my own, especially decent ones.

My stream is Bournemouth. Sorry haha.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 02, 2016, 01:42:18 AM
http://livesoccerg.com/sh/stream39.html

Shit stream for a shit match.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 01:42:28 AM
That Stream is Bournemouth vs Southampton?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Fynci on March 02, 2016, 01:42:50 AM
Pro tip: Type in "Reddit soccer streams" into Google.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 02, 2016, 01:44:28 AM
Even the kodi streams say our game but not, bloody southamptom   and Leicester games
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 01:45:04 AM
Not that good a quality.

http://www.zunox.hk/zunox8.html
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 01:45:13 AM
Aly Cissohko played for the 'Shite, right?

What a strange career he's had. Failed a medical at AC Milan (when they were good) because of his teeth on top of it all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 01:45:15 AM
Not a bad stream actually that Tinga.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 01:46:49 AM
Come on!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 01:47:08 AM
http://www.mamahd.com/watch-sports-live-stream-free-online2-1.html
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 01:47:21 AM
Why after just 1 and a half minutes do I just genuinely think we are gonna lose here?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 01:47:41 AM
Villa park practically empty
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 01:48:05 AM
Remi Garde looks ecstatic to be here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 02, 2016, 01:49:27 AM
Apparently Moshiri is in the away end in his speedos.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 01:50:33 AM
ARGHHDHWFIWEKGFW!

MORI!!!

MOSHIRI ERA HAS BGUN!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 01:50:35 AM
Get innnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Funes !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 02, 2016, 01:50:54 AM
Oh dear Villa :(
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 01:51:01 AM
get in...mori :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 01:51:19 AM
He's a real danger from setpieces is Mori. Sound goal that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 01:51:19 AM
Lads! (AND LIZZ) wanna all just have a massive group wank?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 02, 2016, 01:51:21 AM
Haha RMF loves a fucking huge header.

I actually feel sorry for Garde. Villa are so shit
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 01:51:28 AM
The best thing about Funes Mori is that he would have celebrated like that even if someone else had scored it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 02, 2016, 01:51:30 AM
Mori is a beast from corners.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 02, 2016, 01:51:30 AM
Boom!yes!Mori!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 02, 2016, 01:51:37 AM
But we don't practice corners...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 01:51:42 AM
Hahaha get in!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 02, 2016, 01:51:49 AM
6-0 written all over this
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 01:52:17 AM
Had him first goal scorer at 16/1

:)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 01:52:27 AM
As soon as Mirallas hit that you could see he was getting on the end of it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 02, 2016, 01:52:51 AM
I don't feel sorry for Garde. If you can't sort out a defence to prevent a straightforward goal from a corner like that, you don't deserve to be managing a PL club.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 02, 2016, 01:52:57 AM
He's so good at attacking those corners.the deliveries on these corners seem to be getting better too

Turns out you can still score from corners these days!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 02, 2016, 01:52:59 AM
Quality

http://stream24k.com/sports/puffs-003-sport-stream.html
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2016, 01:53:34 AM
Martinez doesn't practice set pieces, because he doesn't need to with that mad bastard flying through the box.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 01:53:42 AM
I know I do a lot of bitching about tactics on here but at least our approach isn't "hit it long to Agbonlahor."
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 01:54:09 AM
Go for the jugular, kill em off quick fire.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 02, 2016, 01:56:18 AM
Wonder if both the Villa fans are going to wait until the 74th minute to leave...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 01:56:55 AM
Come on Blues, lets have another and put this to bed early doors !
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 01:58:32 AM
Quality

http://stream24k.com/sports/puffs-003-sport-stream.html

THIS is quality ;)

http://soccerembed.com/ch2.php
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 01:59:14 AM
Deserved booking. That's 2 or 3 shit challenges so far.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 01:59:22 AM
looking as good as villa are bad. long may it continue :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 01:59:37 AM
If Villa had someone who harried half as much as Lennon they would probably stay up. The lad gets everywhere
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 02:00:57 AM
If Villa had someone who harried half as much as Lennon they would probably stay up. The lad gets everywhere

Sherwood definitely tried to get him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:03:53 AM
Why did the commentator have to say Villa have not come from behind to win a game.

FFS.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 02, 2016, 02:05:34 AM
Thought it was 8pm kickoff.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 02, 2016, 02:05:49 AM
THIS is quality ;)

http://soccerembed.com/ch2.php

Great work
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: chang on March 02, 2016, 02:06:58 AM
Lucky me, I'm have one of 65 computers in the Eastbourne area selected to win an IPhone .....
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 02:07:13 AM
Sherwood definitely tried to get him.

He would have been a hero there
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 02:07:30 AM
Thankfully we've scored, other than that it's been largely pretty shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 02:07:45 AM
Great work

Thanks.

Didnt think they would have our game on - they usually just have the top game of the day.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:08:52 AM
We haven't been that great really have we since the goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:09:47 AM
Garbage this, where is the fucking tempo?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 02, 2016, 02:09:47 AM
Need to buck up our ideas here
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 02:09:55 AM
Lukaku has been pretty dreadful so far, Coleman seems to have lost his ability to play a good final ball now. We could win this 4 or 5 if we start playing. Villa look clueless but weve zero urgency
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 02:09:59 AM
we don't need to be casually letting villa have a sniff of getting back into this. go for the jugular...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:10:17 AM
Oh Joel......
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 02, 2016, 02:10:25 AM
Making Villa look good here :(
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 02:10:55 AM
Thats a foul. The villa player pushes our defender into Robles
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 02:10:58 AM
Robles, no lad dont do that !
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:10:59 AM
Weird, just so flat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 02, 2016, 02:11:14 AM
been really poor, early goal against a shite team and as usual we fail to kick on
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bluesthedaddy on March 02, 2016, 02:11:46 AM
While we're pussy footin around there confidence is growing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 02:12:36 AM
There's just a fluorescent blob charging around aimlessly in our box at the moment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2016, 02:12:59 AM
We're fucking poor here. Going to let this absolute pub team into it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 02:13:06 AM
1-0

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcfOBotW8AEC4Hz.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:13:10 AM
Get a grip on the fucking game ffs.

Seriously.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 02:13:30 AM
sloppy as fuck.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 02:13:47 AM
Can see at least one sending off tonight
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: ihatecollina on March 02, 2016, 02:14:00 AM
sloppy as fuck.
Its the Everton way.....
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 02, 2016, 02:14:36 AM
just lazy this
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 02:14:41 AM
There's just a fluorescent blob charging around aimlessly in our box at the moment.

don't blame me  :(
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 02, 2016, 02:14:45 AM
Lennoonnnnnnnnnn
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:14:51 AM
What a break!

Great, we do not deserve that one bit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 02:15:05 AM
Oh yessssssssssssssssssssss Lennonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 02, 2016, 02:15:12 AM
Not deserved right now but who cares!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 02:15:12 AM
Shite and 2-0. Will take that!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 02:15:29 AM
so easy. we should be well ahead, but 2 will do.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 02:15:37 AM
This is what the dark side of Martinez looks like and it isn't pretty.

I don't care if we are ahead. These are the sorts of performances that can't happen if we're going to challenge at the top of the league.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 02:15:40 AM
Quality.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 02, 2016, 02:15:46 AM
Feel for Villa fans. Slightly.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 02, 2016, 02:15:48 AM
What a pass Ross Barkley

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 02, 2016, 02:16:00 AM
very lazy ha
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Fern on March 02, 2016, 02:16:01 AM
The quality of Mirrallas. Why he's been out for that long is wrong.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 02:16:11 AM
i bloody love Lennon, seriously what a player.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 02:16:12 AM
A corner and a goal on the counter

What's happened to us?!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 02:16:24 AM
Must be the least convincing 2-0 lead all season. Lennon's been great for weeks now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 02:16:36 AM
Aaron Lennon has a 100% shot accuracy this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 02, 2016, 02:16:39 AM
Just tuned in, 3 seconds later Lennon scores!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Brownie on March 02, 2016, 02:16:53 AM
What a goal
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 02:17:10 AM
Haha, 2-0.

I retain my previous stance. This is wank, ahead or not. We aren't controlling the important territory on the pitch at all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:17:15 AM
Why do we not press?

Surely martinez doesn't tell them not too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 02:17:44 AM
Difference (so far) is we have kept a clean sheet, whereas we were conceding earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:18:08 AM
That ball from Barkley to Mirallas was awful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 02:18:29 AM
shite...should have been 3
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 02:20:15 AM

That ball from Barkley to Mirallas was awful.

Had a virtual tap in if the ball was better. Wasn't even a difficult ball to play either
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:20:56 AM
Had a virtual tap in if the ball was better. Wasn't even a difficult ball to play either

Yup, should have just lined it, he was in for 3-0 otherwise.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 02:21:32 AM
No mercy now Blues, keep on it and get the game won by HT !
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 02:23:22 AM
You know who's very good at defending?

I'll give you a hint. His last name rhymes with Wagielka.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 02, 2016, 02:25:36 AM
What a boring game
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on March 02, 2016, 02:26:50 AM

Why do we not press?

Surely martinez doesn't tell them not too.

You can hear Martinez screaming at them to press.

He's shouting for more players to go in when one player presses.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 02:28:05 AM
lukaku often loses possession too easily.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 02:28:13 AM
The ref is sort of giving us every decision at the moment. Feels weird.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 02, 2016, 02:28:14 AM
Can we get the new lad on the pitch at half time?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 02:29:01 AM

Can we get the new lad on the pitch at half time?

Fingers crossed he stays on it for the second half as well
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 02:29:22 AM
Or maybe it's more, "This game is shite, I can't be bothered blowing my whistle unless it's clear cut."
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:29:43 AM
Rom has been nothing short of utterly disgraceful tonight.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bluesthedaddy on March 02, 2016, 02:29:52 AM
Can we get the new lad on the pitch at half time?

Agreed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 02:30:34 AM
Rom has been nothing short of utterly disgraceful tonight.

Very poor for a while.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 02:31:08 AM
just as well villa are shite...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:31:31 AM
Very poor for a while.



Why does he always check back into danger when he has a player in space?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 02:33:08 AM
Putting aside your feelings about Villa, you have to feel some level of sympathy for their supporters.

Nobody deserves this on a weekly basis.

Imagine a mid-table team rolling in to town, playing crap for the first half, and going 2-0 up on you. Unbelievable how badly they've fallen.

There could still be something in this for them if they find a goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 02:33:14 AM
will be happy to hear the ht whistle. lost our way a bit...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 02:33:26 AM
2-0

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcfVL1wXEAIACrE.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:34:03 AM
Good lord, that was fucking grim as anything.

Would like to see Del and Niasse at some point here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 02, 2016, 02:34:15 AM
I'm no football expert, but I think the issue that Villa have is that they are very shit at both defending and attacking.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on March 02, 2016, 02:34:32 AM
Can't watch the game due to incompetent northern rail staff. Is Moshiri there? Any presentation etc?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2016, 02:34:46 AM
Pretty poor that but hey ho two up

These are badly shit

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on March 02, 2016, 02:34:47 AM

The ref is sort of giving us every decision at the moment. Feels weird.

Moshiri's money having an early impact!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 02, 2016, 02:35:06 AM
other than the goals weve been pretty poor, we got robertos half time motivational speech to look forwaard to when were 2 up ohhhh dear
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 02:35:42 AM
Can't watch the game due to incompetent northern rail staff. Is Moshiri there? Any presentation etc?

presentation?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 02:35:46 AM
Thank fuck for the whistle, can we knock that passing across the back four on the head please.

It's 2-0 which is all that really matters but it's not a convincing one.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: april on March 02, 2016, 02:36:15 AM
Quality

http://stream24k.com/sports/puffs-003-sport-stream.html

Thanks, good link :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 02:36:56 AM
Why does he always check back into danger when he has a player in space?

Weve got an awful lot of players who want to be fucking xavi. Hold it too long, try and do a little fancy football with 2 or 3 defenders on them. Barry, Lukaku Barkley are all at it way too much. Only Barkley can remotely play the role. We need to play with intensity at both ends of the pitch every cunt wants to hold onto it in attack and it seems despite martinez shouting at them to hunt the ball in packs they cant be arsed to do it.

Maybe its more the players than Martinez, he can only tell them to chase the ball down. He cant do the defensive running for them. Still Villa are shite and I fancy us to get 1 or 2 more.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:37:15 AM
Villa may be shite, but they are at least getting the basics right, pressing out players and not giving us the chance to play, credit to them for that.

Really need some composure on the ball in the middle though, don't half miss Besic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 02, 2016, 02:37:31 AM
Strange that we are 2-0 up yet we haven't played that great at all.

If Villa get something out of this game I am going to be seriously pissed off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 02:37:44 AM
Rom's playing week in week out no matter what, he needs a break sometimes and Kone isn't up to it and it's too early for Niasse.

We've been shit but we still look capable on the counter. Mori and Jags defending well today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 02:37:52 AM
Can't watch the game due to incompetent northern rail staff. Is Moshiri there? Any presentation etc?

I don't think Villa would be too chuffed at us presenting our shiney new billionaire to the Villa fans. ;)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 02:38:03 AM
Putting aside your feelings about Villa, you have to feel some level of sympathy for their supporters.

Nobody deserves this on a weekly basis.

Imagine a mid-table team rolling in to town, playing crap for the first half, and going 2-0 up on you. Unbelievable how badly they've fallen.

There could still be something in this for them if they find a goal.

Bought terribly. Paying that kid from Barcelona who cant get in their side something like 60k a week and apparently his contract says hes due a payrise too
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 02, 2016, 02:38:18 AM
Can't watch the game due to incompetent northern rail staff. Is Moshiri there? Any presentation etc?

We are playing away, there won't be any presentation if at all until West Ham at the weekend
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:38:58 AM
A 3rd deffo kills it, but damn that was tough to watch us there, literally gifting them opportunities.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 02, 2016, 02:39:08 AM
Can't watch the game due to incompetent northern rail staff. Is Moshiri there? Any presentation etc?
How could there be, still awaiting the formality of approval.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 02, 2016, 02:39:46 AM
We,ve been poor. Good job we aren't playing a decent side.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:40:15 AM
Moshiri, I would imagine, will be at the West ham game pending premier league approval.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 02:40:41 AM
Terrible to listen to and hard to judge by the commentary, or maybe not. Villa should be 2-2 and Everton are 2nd best. Is Barkley playing tonight and where is Rom? Bloody awful and no noise from our crowd cos we are so bad? 2-0 though but no other threat from us. If they score we could be in trouble.  Thought we are fresh back from a break? Maybe Villa might go down to 10 men which if we press them enough they might. Sounds like our midfield does not exist. Change it 2nd half Roberto! and I don't mean Kone!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on March 02, 2016, 02:40:49 AM
presentation?
Yeah maybe they presentated Moshiri. Maybe they didn't. That's what I'm asking?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 02:40:57 AM
Villa may be shite, but they are at least getting the basics right, pressing out players and not giving us the chance to play, credit to them for that.

Really need some composure on the ball in the middle though, don't half miss Besic.

Think weve got plenty of composer too much even. We need some drive and urgency. Everyones getting caught on the ball taking too long.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 02, 2016, 02:41:08 AM
I don't think we've been that bad. We've been solid and clinical. Villa sort of drag teams down to their level.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2016, 02:41:13 AM
Winning 2-0 at half time away from home and people still aren't happy.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 02, 2016, 02:41:17 AM
The pressing thing is a real concern.

RM may very well be on at them from the touchline to press, but it's not enough to just instruct the team to do it. It has to be coached, as it's quite difficult.

Was watching a video earlier about Roger Schmidt's pressing system at Leverkusen - how they decide which players they don't mind on the ball, who they can best win it back from and how they set sophisticated traps to keep teams where they want them and to win it back early. Would love to see something like that here but it takes hours and hours on the training ground and we don't seem to put that time in.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on March 02, 2016, 02:41:28 AM
How could there be, still awaiting the formality of approval.
Yeah man, I haven't read anything today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 02, 2016, 02:41:31 AM
Villa need to work on the basics blatantly, they aren't defending well or attacking well

Yet they've definitely worked on a corner routine that involves their centre back attempting to score a 20 yard scissor kick!

Try and walk before you can run, Villa!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 02:41:33 AM
Yeah maybe they presentated Moshiri. Maybe they didn't. That's what I'm asking?

why would Villa present our billionaire for us?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 02:41:39 AM
If we win, he'll have a result to hide behind but Martinez should not be happy with this. Nicking results from shit performances won't take the club forward -- it's unsustainable. If Tim Sherwood can do it, we shouldn't be satisfied with it.

After our dominance against Stoke, I thought we might see some more assured performances but it's really gone in the opposite direction. Moshiri, take note.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on March 02, 2016, 02:43:13 AM
why would Villa present our billionaire for us?
Hahaha I don't know. I haven't read anything and maybe thought he would atleast be shown on screen or anything. Maybe presentated might be the wrong word.. I don't mean Niasse style presentation just like shown to be at the ground or whatever.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2016, 02:43:46 AM
Terrible to listen to and hard to judge by the commentary, or maybe not. Villa should be 2-2 and Everton are 2nd best. Is Barkley playing tonight and where is Rom? Bloody awful and no noise from our crowd cos we are so bad? 2-0 though but no other threat from us. If they score we could be in trouble.  Thought we are fresh back from a break? Maybe Villa might go down to 10 men which if we press them enough they might. Sounds like our midfield does not exist. Change it 2nd half Roberto! and I don't mean Kone!
Two two?
How?

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 02, 2016, 02:46:07 AM
Villa need to work on the basics blatantly, they aren't defending well or attacking well

Yet they've definitely worked on a corner routine that involves their centre back attempting to score a 20 yard scissor kick!

Try and walk before you can run, Villa!

Why would you work at your corners when you haven't even won a corner in ages?
Oh yes, they knew Everton were coming.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 02:46:17 AM
Winning 2-0 at half time away from home and people still aren't happy.

Nah, perfectly happy with score line but apart from our second goal it's largely been the slow tempo, pass across the back four boring possession  football that we were served up last season, we'll get away with that at hostile Villa Park.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 02:46:24 AM
our expectations are definitely on the up.

2-0 away would normally have us waxing lyrical.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 02:46:30 AM
Shots on goal good saves from Robles most of the pressure from Villa etc according to the crap commentator on Merseyside. Lucky to be 2-0 up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2016, 02:47:54 AM
Nah, perfectly happy with score line but apart from our second goal it's largely been the slow tempo, pass across the back four boring possession  football that we were served up last season, we'll get away with that at hostile Villa Park.

We're better off saving our energy for Saturday. The first half showed that you don't need much to beat Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: true1891blue on March 02, 2016, 02:48:02 AM
its a tough watch coz everton are making a meal of things and giving them time on the ball but but 2-2 what station u listening 2 red shite tv
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2016, 02:48:16 AM
Shots on goal good saves from Robles most of the pressure from Villa etc according to the crap commentator on Merseyside. Lucky to be 2-0 up.

Pot shots from outside the box.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:48:17 AM
Yeah we are 2-0 up, but still doesn't take away from the fact we have been shite, we are playing arguably one of the worst sides the premier league has ever seen here, we are getting away with it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 02:49:02 AM
Hahaha I don't know. I haven't read anything and maybe thought he would atleast be shown on screen or anything. Maybe presentated might be the wrong word.. I don't mean Niasse style presentation just like shown to be at the ground or whatever.

nothings been shown but thing it needs to be given the go ahead first by prem league. :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 02:49:06 AM
We're better off saving our energy for Saturday. The first half showed that you don't need much to beat Villa.

We shouldn't need to save energy, we've just been on a nice warm weather jolly.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 02:49:06 AM
If we win, he'll have a result to hide behind but Martinez should not be happy with this. Nicking results from shit performances won't take the club forward -- it's unsustainable. If Tim Sherwood can do it, we shouldn't be satisfied with it.

After our dominance against Stoke, I thought we might see some more assured performances but it's really gone in the opposite direction. Moshiri, take note.

Nicking results when you are playing shite is exactly what you need to be doing to progress, all the good teams do it and we haven't been that bad. Only Barry and Lukaku have played particularly poorly.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2016, 02:51:52 AM
We've been poor. Lukaku's touch and hold up play has been 2015esque.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 02:52:39 AM
Merseyside awful commentary by Goodlass?  with the  burrerrrr burrerrr  repeated 100 times or  bu 50 times instead of but. He is a worse commentator than he was a player. 2nd half has to be an improvement by several players to make sure of this game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 02:53:22 AM
Deulofeu & Niasse please Roberto.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 02:53:57 AM
Mirallas has been pretty shit too. 1 of many but hes been no better than Kones recent performances

Though in fairness made a goal which is a decent contribution
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 02:54:20 AM
still sloppy as fuck. shouldn't really moan when we're ahead, but we could really bury these.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 02, 2016, 02:55:27 AM
One player I will be delighted to see relegated: Alan Hutton

Remember when he was described as the Scottish Cafu lolol
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 02:57:28 AM
Is the new fella signed in January still "not quite ready"?  I thought his pace and power was going explode on the premiership. Even Goodlass is pissed off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 02:57:54 AM
Referees seriously need to be educated on the game.

It is a fucking contact sport.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 02:58:05 AM
how the fuck is that a foul?!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 02:59:09 AM
Mirallas has been pretty shit too. 1 of many but hes been no better than Kones recent performances

Though in fairness made a goal which is a decent contribution

Been a lot better than what kone has offered.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 03:01:06 AM
We look totally not assed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 03:01:18 AM
There's a big vibe of us not really having to step it up here. Villa are terrible.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 03:02:19 AM
It only takes one sub to go from "not assed" to "Niassed."

Make it happen, Roberto!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:02:33 AM
Wow, what a save Guzan!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 03:02:44 AM
The games there to be killed off.

W really should try to get a 3rd
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:02:56 AM
Clooooooooooooose
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:03:10 AM
LOVELY!

Cant keep him down.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 03:03:28 AM
See, fucking terrible.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:03:33 AM
That'll do !!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 03:03:38 AM
Wow. I complain plenty about our defending but Lukaku only had to win one header (against a back three!) to get us 2 v. 2 with the defense in the final third. Yikes!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 03:03:38 AM
3-0. that'll do :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 03:03:56 AM
Unlucky there rom
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 03:04:09 AM
YESSSS
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:04:09 AM
Goal ! Just before Kone was to come on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 03:04:12 AM
Hahaha spoke too soon!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:04:14 AM
The games there to be killed off.

W really should try to get a 3rd

Ask and you shall receive Ramster.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 03:04:21 AM
The texts from livescore come seconds before the goals on the stream. Leads to mass panic when theres a goal in another game while we are defending
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 02, 2016, 03:04:30 AM
Funes Mori causing havoc in the opposition area again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 03:04:32 AM
That's McGeady really fucked if he comes back, even Funes Mori's ahead of him on the right now. :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 02, 2016, 03:04:43 AM
3-0.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 03:05:13 AM
Great ball by Funes Mori. The king of corners*!

* And corner-related attempts.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: april on March 02, 2016, 03:05:26 AM
He deserves that goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:05:38 AM
Surely Niasse to run at them next.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 03:07:05 AM
We've been defending well tonight, Villa are crap but when we have had to, we have shut them down.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 02, 2016, 03:07:39 AM
Must make some changes now surely
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 03:07:58 AM
What a ball by mori.

He's fucking brilliant isn't he, the big dozy twat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:08:16 AM
PLAY ON!

RICHARDS IS A CUNT!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:08:18 AM
The commentary says its all Villa.  Hee Hee
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on March 02, 2016, 03:08:50 AM
Why have we put the ball out of play when we're on the break 3 on 3?

Need to cut that nice crap out
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 03:09:20 AM
What a ball by mori.

He's fucking brilliant isn't he, the big dozy twat.

He's what people wanted Alcaraz to be. He's decent on the ball but solid as fuck.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:09:27 AM
Still get a horrible feeling they could get back in this, just this particular Everton side.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 03:09:38 AM
Villa should start every game 3-0 down if this is how the fans and players react.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:10:22 AM
Barkley just got mentioned for the 1st time in 30 minutes. If he needs a rest bring on Niasse
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:10:33 AM
This ref is laughable, sympathy vote ere.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 02, 2016, 03:10:43 AM
If it stays like this we only need another two points to reach the magical forty.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 03:11:21 AM
Get stones on, go 3 at the back with him playing the beckenbaeur role.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: velimski on March 02, 2016, 03:11:58 AM
certainly can't accuse their fans of not getting behind the team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: chang on March 02, 2016, 03:13:04 AM
Quote
Tonight's attendance has just been announced - 29,755 including about 3,000 Everton fans. It's the visiting supporters who are making all the noise.

BBC Sport.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 03:13:06 AM
I think we could bring Martinez and Ferguson on and still bang a few in if we wanted to.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 03:13:13 AM
certainly can't accuse their fans of not getting behind the team.

took them long enough...and they're only venting :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: velimski on March 02, 2016, 03:13:46 AM
took them long enough...and they're only venting :)

true
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 02, 2016, 03:13:53 AM
You can only admire Agbonlahor.

In a age where footballers vanity and image is their overriding driver, here's a man with a 14 year olds moustache and a head of hair a 70 year old should be ashamed of, fair play to the fella for not giving a fuck.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:14:27 AM
Like to see Del and Niasse on now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:14:34 AM
Put on the Leicester game - still 2-2 ...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:14:51 AM
Roberto is waiting for Villa to score before he makes a sub, oh here comes Stones. Poor old Kone not on yet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:16:04 AM
If thats 1-1 it is a foul on Oviedo.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: ally2 on March 02, 2016, 03:16:37 AM
Yeah just want to see the walk out then watch the Leicester game
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 02, 2016, 03:16:39 AM
Stones?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 03:16:59 AM
3-5-2 people
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 03:17:15 AM
what kind of a change is this??
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:17:27 AM
BBC 
"He picks out Romelu Lukaku at the near post and the big man bundles home. Villa fans head to the exits. Villa head to the second division..."

BBC still back in the 1980's !
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 02, 2016, 03:17:39 AM
Get stones on, go 3 at the back with him playing the beckenbaeur role.

called it
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 03:18:03 AM
Yessssssss

Fucking takeover, now 3 at the back.

What a time to be alive.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:19:16 AM
STAT
Romelu Lukaku sets EFC record of 17 PL goals in a season, previous best 16 Tony Cottee (1993/94) & Andrei Kanchelskis (1995/96).
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 03:19:32 AM
What a fucking shite protest.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:19:58 AM
He is saving Niasse to explode against West Ham, or maybe Chelsea, or maybe he still isn't fit enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:21:42 AM
Come on, at least give Del a run out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: april on March 02, 2016, 03:21:51 AM
STAT
Romelu Lukaku sets EFC record of 17 PL goals in a season, previous best 16 Tony Cottee (1993/94) & Andrei Kanchelskis (1995/96).
Much as I do like this, I don't recognise "Premier League" records as standalone, and that's not just the Evertonian point of view.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 02, 2016, 03:22:35 AM
Praying Leicester nick one to go 5 points ahead and prevent Spurs winning the league.

There's a sentence I never thought I'd write.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:22:48 AM
1-3 shite, how long to go?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:22:55 AM
Fuck off :(
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:22:55 AM
Shit
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 02, 2016, 03:23:41 AM
one in 19 before today.

It's what we do.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 02, 2016, 03:23:44 AM
Fucking wake up Everton!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 02, 2016, 03:23:52 AM
Gonna draw this aren't we
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2016, 03:24:14 AM
Sake Howard.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:24:48 AM
Goodlass says it might go to 3-3 if we carry on like this. Disgrace Roberto.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: april on March 02, 2016, 03:24:58 AM
Was Oviedo still off injured when they scored? Cross came from his side.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:24:59 AM
Much as I do like this, I don't recognise "Premier League" records as standalone, and that's not just the Evertonian point of view.

Fair point.
Title: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 02, 2016, 03:25:14 AM
Fucking streams
Ive not seen a single goal this evening

Kevin bacon is starting to piss me off too
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 03:25:23 AM
defo won't be funny if they sneak another...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2016, 03:25:24 AM
Surely fucking not
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 03:25:43 AM
Only we could turn a 3-0 lead with ten minutes to go into a nervy finish.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 02, 2016, 03:25:46 AM
fucking hell Everton get a hold of the game
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 02, 2016, 03:26:14 AM
Real genius changing to 3 at the back mid game though, when we've only played like that once before, in a drubbing against City.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: chang on March 02, 2016, 03:26:31 AM
Gonna draw this aren't we

Behave!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:26:44 AM
Fuck's sake Everton, get a grip !!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: ihatecollina on March 02, 2016, 03:28:03 AM
Fuck's sake Everton, get a grip !!
its the Everton way, always has been.....
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 03:28:41 AM
what a fucking mess now...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 02, 2016, 03:29:29 AM
Why are Aston Villa pushing us all the way back time and time again in the last 10 minutes?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:29:40 AM
KEEP HOLD OF THE FUCKING BALL!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: ihatecollina on March 02, 2016, 03:29:48 AM
these cunts must have shortened my life span over the years.......
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:32:22 AM
If the new man is watching, Roberto should be quaking in his boots.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 03:32:44 AM
kinell...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 03:33:03 AM
Ive been very vocal about wanting Martinez out but watching this leads me to believe its the players. They are all so fuck casual. Caught on the ball time and time again. They play like Xavi and Zidane. Like theyve got space in the tighest areas. Only thing is they cant remotely do it. Besic changes us completely. He doesnt wait for 3 players to close him down. He trys to be positive early and he chases it down when he hasnt got it

Weve been terrible today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:33:19 AM
Played Lennon !
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:34:56 AM
3-0 wins at Soton and Stoke were great, but we hang on at bottom of the league Villa. Crazy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cjohno100 on March 02, 2016, 03:35:21 AM
3-0 up why mess about with the defence throw on delboy or niasse why fk about with the defence
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 02, 2016, 03:36:04 AM
If we hold on here we'll have won without ever getting above the level of 'abjectly shite'.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 03:36:27 AM
Ive been very vocal about wanting Martinez out but watching this leads me to believe its the players. They are all so fuck casual. Caught on the ball time and time again. They play like Xavi and Zidane. Like theyve got space in the tighest areas. Only thing is they cant remotely do it. Besic changes us completely. He doesnt wait for 3 players to close him down. He trys to be positive early and he chases it down when he hasnt got it

Weve been terrible today.

always happy to play shit and win.

better than playing well and losing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 02, 2016, 03:38:16 AM
always happy to play shit and win.

better than playing well and losing.

Totally agree. Its the lack of urgency thats worrying though. Its so very casual. We'll very rarely get away with playing without any tempo
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2016, 03:38:36 AM
We have hardly "held on", Villa have played ok for ten minutes. We've barely turned up and skill could have had five quite easily. I don't think that's reason for concern, quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:38:49 AM
Martinez does not have a clue how to finish a game when we are in front. I like him but he has serious shortcomings, unless of course it is not him as someone says and the players are at fault.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:38:58 AM
WON. THAT IS ALL.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blob on March 02, 2016, 03:39:19 AM
Totally agree. Its the lack of urgency thats worrying though. Its so very casual. We'll very rarely get away with playing without any tempo

can't argue with that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 02, 2016, 03:39:32 AM
We where poor there, very poor indeed, but it is a win, plenty needs to be addressed though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 03:39:36 AM
9th could be on here, lads.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Risky on March 02, 2016, 03:40:54 AM
That was a horrible watch.

3 points is always good, but not a good performance at all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 02, 2016, 03:41:07 AM
9th could be on here, lads.

Single figures? Get in!

Only saw 2nd half. We made them look good for a spell, but all in all - good effort, job done.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2016, 03:41:45 AM
Not an enjoyable watch that
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:42:13 AM
Best get a poor display out of the way and win. The investment will be vital to improve this lot from mid table average. At least we have a new era to hope for.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 02, 2016, 03:43:35 AM
6 points off 5th, 9 points off 4th.

If I didn't know better I'd have a little hope
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 02, 2016, 03:43:59 AM
Easy that
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2016, 03:44:02 AM
Pretty dreadful performance on the whole but we won fairly easily anyway. We've only lost once away from home in the league so I'm not particularly bothered how we perform if we win.

It's next Saturday when we need to show up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on March 02, 2016, 03:45:01 AM
All you can do is beat what's in front of you and we did that today without any real difficulty.

There's plenty to things to get upset about with the current regime but this performance isn't one of them
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Brownie on March 02, 2016, 03:45:21 AM
6 points off 5th, 9 points off 4th.

If I didn't know better I'd have a little hope

It's On
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on March 02, 2016, 03:45:36 AM
We won 3-1 but that's probably the worst 2 goal margin victory I've experienced.

How fucking grim is it to be a Villa fan though?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheBlueBrony on March 02, 2016, 03:45:54 AM
We have hardly "held on", Villa have played ok for ten minutes. We've barely turned up and skill could have had five quite easily. I don't think that's reason for concern, quite the opposite.
Agreed. Cruised to the win, which is definitely better than having to chase around the pitch.

My worry was that the defence looked abject once Oviedo and Funes Mori came off. I'm pretty sure Stones is weighed down by fucking Kryptonite. Brings the whole back 4 down.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 03:45:57 AM
Agree with that, West Ham will be a different kettle of fish. I think (hope) we will turn up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 03:47:44 AM
We have hardly "held on", Villa have played ok for ten minutes. We've barely turned up and skill could have had five quite easily. I don't think that's reason for concern, quite the opposite.

It's more the fact this isn't a one off performance, if it was then I wouldn't be concerned either. We've seen these type of fairly lifeless performances too often and you get away with that against teams like Villa who don't really offer very much. It's three points and pulls us back up the table a little more, but we won't get away with performances likes that in the future, just as we haven't in the past. West Ham won't be too worried after seeing that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 02, 2016, 03:48:28 AM
Some of you guys are hard to please,  tactically bringing stones on was the mistake, but at 3 -0 he needs game time and could say he was shite  when he came on, a wins a win , we all get carried away just cos the rs scored 6 against these.   
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 02, 2016, 03:48:55 AM
That was dire, good job we won eh.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 02, 2016, 03:53:58 AM
Some of you guys are hard to please,  tactically bringing stones on was the mistake, but at 3 -0 he needs game time and could say he was shite  when he came on, a wins a win , we all get carried away just cos the rs scored 6 against these.   
............Hard to please ?  We were sloppy and casual all night ,no sense of urgency ,very little use of our pace. We should have battered them .
In other news ,Robles is clearly not good enough .
Credit to the Villa fans for their singing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 02, 2016, 03:54:08 AM
One last thing...

SHIT ON THE VILLA, SHIT ON THE VILLA TONIGHT !  :cheers:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcfYGAGWIAAkJyr.jpg)

Hope we dont have to see them and their obnoxious fans for years...  :titanic:
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 02, 2016, 04:01:32 AM
Have a word with yourselves, we won easily, did what we needed to do, took our foot off the gas a bit to early but wasted very little energy as well
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on March 02, 2016, 04:01:54 AM
6 points off 5th, 9 points off 4th.

If I didn't know better I'd have a little hope

Don't.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 02, 2016, 04:04:05 AM
We have hardly "held on", Villa have played ok for ten minutes. We've barely turned up and skill could have had five quite easily. I don't think that's reason for concern, quite the opposite.

Spot on
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Thom on March 02, 2016, 04:10:49 AM
Routine enough win, and decent goals scored too.

I agree with those saying it could be much different against other sides, to a degree. Baffling substitution to bring Stones on (not the lad's fault though) which disrupted our back line, and doing that against other teams would have proved costly.

You could argue that Villa's abjectness pulled us down to their level though, which has happened to us in other matches. It's something that needs to be rectified, certainly, but here it was good enough.

We'll need a greater tempo and better performance for the upcoming games too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2016, 04:13:47 AM
Routine enough win, and decent goals scored too.

I agree with those saying it could be much different against other sides, to a degree. Baffling substitution to bring Stones on (not the lad's fault though) which disrupted our back line, and doing that against other teams would have proved costly.

You could argue that Villa's abjectness pulled us down to their level though, which has happened to us in other matches. It's something that needs to be rectified, certainly, but here it was good enough.

We'll need a greater tempo and better performance for the upcoming games too.
It was almost too easy so you could kinda see players cruise through it but it hard to pick it up again once your cruising and that was apparent

Anyway, 3 1 sound
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: chang on March 02, 2016, 04:17:23 AM
Watching our game on Sky now and they just said "that's Villas first corner in three games"

Grim.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2016, 04:19:58 AM
Hope we dont have to see them and their obnoxious fans for years...  :titanic:

Really? I hope we play them every week.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2016, 04:21:50 AM
Too often do we let our tempo and mentality be dictated by the other side.

but, we are going round in circles now.

Want to see 9/10s from Ross and Romelu next time out. Get on Lennon's level, lads.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 02, 2016, 04:23:05 AM
We had the game won after an hour and we've got another one in 4 days time

Didn't need to beat them 12-0 or anything

We saw it through, that's all that matters
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 02, 2016, 04:29:27 AM
3-1 win away from home and we're by the better team even though we didn't need to get out of 2nd gear...

surely that's enough for people to be happy about?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 04:33:07 AM
https://twitter.com/evertonmusings/status/704789415219036165
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 02, 2016, 04:36:35 AM
Get stones on, go 3 at the back with him playing the beckenbaeur role.
Yeah, great shout, that worked didn't it ffs !  8)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 02, 2016, 04:39:39 AM
Win or lose some people on here just trot out the same shite . It is fucking depressing .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 02, 2016, 04:41:44 AM
Yeah man, I haven't read anything today.
Didn't you read anything yesterday or the day before either ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 04:41:53 AM
Hiddink just praised Chelsea's "fabulous form". That is the standard to aim for not the crap performance Everton got away with tonight. We need to raise it 100% if we are to have a hope against them in the FA Cup. Maybe Villa dragged us down. Niasse signed in January with great hopes of giving us a new impetus can't even get picked by the beginning of March. Sort it out Martinez.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 02, 2016, 04:45:05 AM
Funes Mori, officially undroppable.  He offers SO MUCH, and was all over the fucking pitch today.
 
Just caught up on DVR.  Not a work of art, this one.  But Kev also played really well (and within the team concept), I thought.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 02, 2016, 04:45:26 AM
Got to love that
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 02, 2016, 04:47:14 AM
Hiddink just praised Chelsea's "fabulous form". That is the standard to aim for not the crap performance Everton got away with tonight. We need to raise it 100% if we are to have a hope against them in the FA Cup. Maybe Villa dragged us down. Niasse signed in January with great hopes of giving us a new impetus can't even get picked by the beginning of March. Sort it out Martinez.

Niasse signed on the 1st of Feb, today is the 1st of March, he has had a wrist injury, get your facts right before you make an ass of yourself.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 02, 2016, 04:53:08 AM
3-1 win away from home and we're by the better team even though we didn't need to get out of 2nd gear...

surely that's enough for people to be happy about?

It should be, but some are never happy, thats what I dont get, we won quite comfortably without playing our best, thats all we needed to do, im happy enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on March 02, 2016, 04:54:51 AM
If he isn't picked before Kone in the next two games the asses are you and Roberto.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 02, 2016, 05:01:12 AM
It should be, but some are never happy, thats what I dont get, we won quite comfortably without playing our best, thats all we needed to do, im happy enough.

Nobody's unhappy with the result but it's another fairly lifeless performance. As said, if it was a one off then fine but it wasn't and it's against one of the worst teams the Premier League has seen.

We'll see how we get on over the next few games, but it's still not much to get excited about. The fact Chelsea are above us is a fair reflection on how average we've been all season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2016, 05:09:31 AM
It'd be nice to see Deulofeu again, Roberto.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 02, 2016, 05:10:43 AM
We're 2 points off 7th with a game in hand.

Got West Ham at the weekend too.

Could well salvage something from this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2016, 05:11:11 AM
We're 2 points off 7th with a game in hand.

Got West Ham at the weekend too.

Could well salvage something from this season.

No we won't.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on March 02, 2016, 05:21:22 AM
Don't care who plays or how we play. As long as we can consistently win games. Fingers crossed we've turned a page
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 02, 2016, 05:24:05 AM
In retrospect, it was actually very forward thinking of RM to try 3 at the back up 3-nil against a shit team (and on the road, where the crowd wouldn't jump on our backs).  Stones is an excellent player, after all, and it would be nice to have ways to get him onto the pitch.

Right now, I 100% believe that Jags and Funes Mori are undroppable.

Just because it didn't work doesn't mean it was a bad idea to TRY it.  If not then, when?

Since I have been following Everton, I can't remember seeing us go to 3 at the back and looking like anything more attractive than cat vomit.  No idea why so many iterations of Toffee sides are so completely allergic to the formation, but some kind of juju is at work.

Annoyed that I chose wrong on both of my wishy-washy Prediction League calls (Lukaku vs. FM for 1st scorer, 2-1 vs. 3-1 for scoreline).  I FUCKING SUCK AT LIFE.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 05:27:38 AM
There may be some merit to the idea that we kept it in cruise control with an eye on the weekend (however arrogant such an approach would be in this hyper-competitive Premier League, even against a listless Villa side).

Still, I'm comfortable being called a grump/ingrate/wanker/whatever for not being happy with that performance. The game was played predominantly in our half -- not great -- and even when we're on the ball in those areas, we consistently lack the ability to work it forward into promising positions in the final third. Martinez needs to buck up our ideas on the ball in deep positions or switch the style if this squad isn't good enough to play from the back. And if he wants us to press, that needs to be worked on too. Our "press" accomplishes two things at the moment: (1) leaving a massive gap between midfield and defense, or (2) nothing at all.

Solid result, though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 02, 2016, 05:36:25 AM
There may be some merit to the idea that we kept it in cruise control with an eye on the weekend (however arrogant such an approach would be in this hyper-competitive Premier League, even against a listless Villa side).

Still, I'm comfortable being called a grump/ingrate/wanker/whatever for not being happy with that performance. The game was played predominantly in our half -- not great -- and even when we're on the ball in those areas, we consistently lack the ability to work it forward into promising positions in the final third. Martinez needs to buck up our ideas on the ball in deep positions or switch the style if this squad isn't good enough to play from the back. And if he wants us to press, that needs to be worked on too. Our "press" accomplishes two things at the moment: (1) leaving a massive gap between midfield and defense, or (2) nothing at all.

Solid result, though.

I think the next few games will tell the tale.  Definite warning signs.  My brain was confused by the match overall, and I couldn't tell whether to be happy or upset most of the time (other than with Funes Mori and Lennon, an to a lesser extent, KM).  So I think I will reserve judgment.

But I will note that our body language was good today, which it had not been in recent poor performances.  That inches me back from the pessimist ledge.

Plus, footy is just fucking weird sometimes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Alex6691 on March 02, 2016, 05:36:58 AM
Didn't you read anything yesterday or the day before either ?
Nope. Nothing. Ever.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 02, 2016, 05:38:52 AM
yes they had some good stretches at our expense but they are fighting for survival and we still won handily

will take that any day over a phenomenal performance ending in a loss
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on March 02, 2016, 06:27:22 AM
If he isn't picked before Kone in the next two games the asses are you and Roberto.

Who would you START him over? No one in the side deserves dropping on current form, let the lad settle in with his cameos first ffs
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 07:24:54 AM
I may not be pleased with the performance but perhaps I've been a bit harsh:

https://twitter.com/MC_of_A/status/704815741925769219 (https://twitter.com/MC_of_A/status/704815741925769219)

I think that shot map is at least partially down to poor defending but that is a lot of good work in the danger zone.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 02, 2016, 02:44:37 PM
After 10 years of accepting that ' Its the result that matters ' we seem to have forgotten its the result that matters . Is winning 3-1 away good game management or a shite performance . At 3-1 I got anxious but when the whistle went it was 3-1 . If Leicester had beaten Villa 3-1 they would still be waffling about it on Sky at 5pm tonight . Roll on Saturday so we can see if the home crowd can drag us back down . I think we should just let the 4 or 5 thousand fans who go to every away game in and see what happens .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 02, 2016, 02:58:16 PM

We're 2 points off 7th with a game in hand.

Got West Ham at the weekend too.

Could well salvage something from this season.
One would hope so but we have said that so many times this season.....
Good result, shit performance, that would be no worries if that would have been the story of the season but it hasn't.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 02, 2016, 03:11:48 PM
One would hope so but we have said that so many times this season.....
Good result, shit performance, that would be no worries if that would have been the story of the season but it hasn't.

Your right . A lot of the time it has been good performance shit result . We need to get more consistency and the settled team and easier opposition could so easily be another false dawn . Still think despite results we have more quality on the bench than we do on the pitch at times .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 02, 2016, 03:24:26 PM
After 10 years of accepting that ' Its the result that matters ' we seem to have forgotten its the result that matters . Is winning 3-1 away good game management or a shite performance . At 3-1 I got anxious but when the whistle went it was 3-1 . If Leicester had beaten Villa 3-1 they would still be waffling about it on Sky at 5pm tonight . Roll on Saturday so we can see if the home crowd can drag us back down . I think we should just let the 4 or 5 thousand fans who go to every away game in and see what happens .

...............give it a fucking rest with this home crowd drag us down shite.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Trublue on March 02, 2016, 03:29:15 PM
Had time to think, yes we didn't play well last night. However, scored 3 goals and could of had another 2 goals easily if not for a goal line clearance and a good save.  Big difficult game at the weekend, so maybe it's good that we were able to get a win without having to break a sweat?

We're scoring for fun at the moment and not playing that well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 02, 2016, 03:50:05 PM
...............give it a fucking rest with this home crowd drag us down shite.

............................. ...... my opinion .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 02, 2016, 04:06:51 PM
The fact is, bigger the crowd the easier it is for the players to hear the groans, perhaps that's the issue !
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 02, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
Good result and good to get 3 goals from the amount of shots that we had.

But they were so poor it doesn't really tell us much.

Sometimes it's hard to play against dross, especially when you take control so early on.

But equally if we'd played well there would have been a hatful of goals on offer.

Obviously our next two games will require and should hopefully get better performances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 02, 2016, 04:21:31 PM
There may be some merit to the idea that we kept it in cruise control with an eye on the weekend (however arrogant such an approach would be in this hyper-competitive Premier League, even against a listless Villa side).

Still, I'm comfortable being called a grump/ingrate/wanker/whatever for not being happy with that performance. The game was played predominantly in our half -- not great -- and even when we're on the ball in those areas, we consistently lack the ability to work it forward into promising positions in the final third. Martinez needs to buck up our ideas on the ball in deep positions or switch the style if this squad isn't good enough to play from the back. And if he wants us to press, that needs to be worked on too. Our "press" accomplishes two things at the moment: (1) leaving a massive gap between midfield and defense, or (2) nothing at all.

Solid result, though.

If we as you say "we lack the ability to work it forward into promising positions in the final third" how's  that tally up with the fact we're the second highest goal scores in the league, averaging almost 2 goals a game and the team who realises least of all on dead ball situations to score a goal?



 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 02, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
If we as you say "we lack the ability to work it forward into promising positions in the final third" how's  that tally up with the fact we're the second highest goal scores in the league, averaging almost 2 goals a game and the team who realises least of all on dead ball situations to score a goal?

I agree with you but I also see this point too. At times last night a break was on and some of our players lack that vision to see the moving player and get the pass off quicker, so they stop and turn or hold the ball up and the move has gone. I also think we passed back too much last night and over passed for the sake of it and often to a player 6 yards away who had just passed it.. We are not Barcelona.. if you look at lennon's goal, we hit fast and direct.. much better imo. We also need to play more through balls to Rom as he is a killer in those situations.. Looked frustrated last night.
One thing's for sure.. West ham will be a sterner test.

 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 02, 2016, 04:31:24 PM

If we as you say "we lack the ability to work it forward into promising positions in the final third" how's  that tally up with the fact we're the second highest goal scores in the league, averaging almost 2 goals a game and the team who realises least of all on dead ball situations to score a goal?

We've got good players who can produce moments of great play. Especially, as for the second goal when there's space to play in.

But when we're starting from the back with the opposition set we seem to lack ideas, movement or invention.

I don't think we've progressed at all in this regard in two and a half years.

No problem necessarily but it's meant to be our hall mark.

In reality we're a counter attacking side.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 02, 2016, 04:38:42 PM


I agree with what you saying about last night but that's taking one game in isolation and @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) seemingly wasn't doing that and was making a general point about our play.

As I said earlier we did enough to win comfortably without the need to break sweat, nothing outstanding, but we've seen a few times this season outstanding attacking play doesn't always get you the points you deserve. As the season draws to a close you'll hear more and more people claiming it's the result that matters and I'd settle for more 3-1 wins won at a canter.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 02, 2016, 04:40:44 PM
We've got good players who can produce moments of great play. Especially, as for the second goal when there's space to play in.

But when we're starting from the back with the opposition set we seem to lack ideas, movement or invention.

I don't think we've progressed at all in this regard in two and a half years.

No problem necessarily but it's meant to be our hall mark.

In reality we're a counter attacking side.

PissingPassing about in our own half is meant to draw teams out and create space for our attackers but it never does. Except when we lose the ball in our half, they pour out and we win it back.

That's when we pounce.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 02, 2016, 04:43:08 PM
................................... my opinion .

Which you repeat ad nauseam.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 02, 2016, 04:46:08 PM
We've got good players who can produce moments of great play. Especially, as for the second goal when there's space to play in.

But when we're starting from the back with the opposition set we seem to lack ideas, movement or invention.

I don't think we've progressed at all in this regard in two and a half years.

No problem necessarily but it's meant to be our hall mark.

In reality we're a counter attacking side.

And you can't really play counter attacking football at home, hence the disparity in results home and away.
Roberto still hasn't got a clue in how he wants us to set up. We basically wing it with moments of skill from our talented players, which is hit and miss depending on the form of said players week to week. 
Title: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 02, 2016, 04:53:40 PM
PissingPassing about in our own half is meant to draw teams out and create space for our attackers but it never does. Except when we lose the ball in our half, they pour out and we win it back.

That's when we pounce.

Yes maybe we're more crafty than I'm giving us credit for :)

As you say the passing with small movements dragging the opposition out and out of position is a perfectly fine plan.

We're just not very good at it as we don't have enough passes that go forwards and entice their midfield defence out. It's easy to just watch it go sideways, then into McCarthy then back to the CB etc.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 02, 2016, 04:56:12 PM
We've got good players who can produce moments of great play. Especially, as for the second goal when there's space to play in.

But when we're starting from the back with the opposition set we seem to lack ideas, movement or invention.

I don't think we've progressed at all in this regard in two and a half years.

No problem necessarily but it's meant to be our hall mark.

In reality we're a counter attacking side.

I think we can and have played both ways well since Martinez came, but I also think we look far better counter attacking at speed and exploiting weaknesses. There's obviously room for improvement but we're a good attacking team either way that creates chances in abundance, as the stats prove, we certainly don't lack for creating promising positions in the oppositions final third as was suggested. We may not always be clinical but even against the most stubbornly defensive teams we create chances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 02, 2016, 05:07:28 PM
Which you repeat ad nauseam.

Not that particular point . Talking of nausea ....................
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 02, 2016, 06:08:09 PM

I think we can and have played both ways well since Martinez came, but I also think we look far better counter attacking at speed and exploiting weaknesses. There's obviously room for improvement but we're a good attacking team either way that creates chances in abundance, as the stats prove, we certainly don't lack for creating promising positions in the oppositions final third as was suggested. We may not always be clinical but even against the most stubbornly defensive teams we create chances.

I think we are clinical though.

Don't we have the highest chance conversion rate in the league?

I think we create a small number of good chances which our good finishers put away. We have the occasional game like Norwich or Stoke where we miss a few but on the whole I don't think we come away from many games where we've missed bucket loads of chances.

But I don't think that, certainly since the 1st season, that we look regularly convincing against organised sides.

If someone makes it an open game then great - we do look very good.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 02, 2016, 06:41:54 PM
I think we are clinical though.

Don't we have the highest chance conversion rate in the league?

I think we create a small number of good chances which our good finishers put away. We have the occasional game like Norwich or Stoke where we miss a few but on the whole I don't think we come away from many games where we've missed bucket loads of chances.

But I don't think that, certainly since the 1st season, that we look regularly convincing against organised sides.

If someone makes it an open game then great - we do look very good.

True. West Brom showed we're so easy to play against if the other team forces us to take the initiative. We're a bit nave in our play, which may come from having young players in the team in the final third, or it might just be we're not coached in how to mix our game up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 02, 2016, 06:50:20 PM
I think we are clinical though.

Don't we have the highest chance conversion rate in the league?

I think we create a small number of good chances which our good finishers put away. We have the occasional game like Norwich or Stoke where we miss a few but on the whole I don't think we come away from many games where we've missed bucket loads of chances.

But I don't think that, certainly since the 1st season, that we look regularly convincing against organised sides.

If someone makes it an open game then great - we do look very good.

I'm not sure about the chance conversion ratio but I'm specially focussing on our home form here as I think our away form is more than acceptable, in fact it's obviously very good and I doubt anyone could have a problem with it.

So just focussing on our home record we've been beaten 6 times and drew 4 (I'm sure you know this) and on those occasions you'd expect us to win against the likes of Stoke, West Brom, Palace, Leicester and Swansea after creating more chances and having more shots on target than the opposition. In those 5 games alone we had 100 shots but only scored 7 goals picking up 1 point, even though we had by far the most possession in each game. Those teams combined scored 11 goals with far less shots, I'd say we certainly lack a clinical cutting edge even when we're on top and creating plenty of chances and that's against teams that we all know like to defend first and foremost, teams people are saying we struggle against.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 02, 2016, 07:02:35 PM
We almost defy logic and analysis at times. I agree with what both GLewis and Ross have said and yet the two general points appear to be in contradiction.

I suppose the 'clinical' thing comes down to the quality of chances we create. Away from home a lot of our goals and chances come on the counter, which we're very good at. The nature of those chances is that you've normally cut through the opposition and have a number of attacking players up against a minimum of defenders, so the chances themselves are very good and that perhaps accounts for the high conversion rate.

Whereas at home, the chances or attempts on goal have often come against 10 men behind the ball, there's lots of bodies around the area, it's more of a quick snapshot and maybe aren't quite as clear cut, which maybe accounts for a lower conversion rate.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 02, 2016, 08:27:37 PM
If we as you say "we lack the ability to work it forward into promising positions in the final third" how's  that tally up with the fact we're the second highest goal scores in the league, averaging almost 2 goals a game and the team who realises least of all on dead ball situations to score a goal?

I think it's been discussed thoroughly in here since you brought it up and perhaps I should have been more specific with my point.

I am criticizing attacks that start with center backs. We seem to lack the ideas to play through the first two lines of defense against any reasonably organized, hard-working side. The real issue this creates is that it keeps the ball in our half of the field, where our opponent is more likely to create a decent chance than we are. Not working the ball consistently into the final third is actually more of an issue in terms of controlling territory than overall chance creation for us (which is obviously not how I presented my ideas on the matter, as you noted).

As you said, our attack is doing just fine (although our success in this area is driven partially by high conversion rates, which tend not to be sustainable long-term) and we are excellent when we counter. My concern is that the slow build-ups from the center backs, over time, will lead to more good chances for our opponents than for us -- it didn't hurt us yesterday, but if Villa had a little more guile in attack, we may have seen some of their players taking an extra touch or two to create an angle dangerous pass or space for a better shot. It does hurt us against better teams, which is why our defensive record is so poor.

As has been mentioned, it's not as simple as switching to a pure counter-attacking approach. Frequently, we won't be allowed to sit back and counter, especially at home, so our possession game needs some sort of tweak -- either (1) a change in positioning during build-ups to get our playmakers on the ball in better positions with options ahead of them, or (2) a more aggressive counter-press so that we don't allow our opponents to start anything when they do get the ball from us.

Roberto's approach led to one wildly successful season but has proven maddeningly inconsistent over the past two and, on current evidence, I'm not sure he's going to mold this current group into one that performs every week (or most weeks) the way the best sides do.