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Title: Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Bluedylan on May 14, 2016, 03:02:56 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-explore-sporting-director-model-11330466

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Everton will consider appointing a sporting director as they plot the new era at Goodison.

The Blues are searching for a replacement for Roberto Martinez’s after the club brought his near three year reign to an end on Thursday.

A shortlist including Ronald Koeman , Frank de Boer and Manuel Pellegrini has been drawn up.

Martinez was sacked yesterday afternoon and key members of his backroom staff followed him out the door and Everton are exploring the idea of a making major changes to their management structure.

Koeman, de Boer and Pellegrini all work as head coaches in a European-style framework where a sporting director sits above them.

Everton are now looking into the possibility of replacing the post left by chief scout Kevin Reeves with a sporting director.

Investor Farhad Moshiri is ready to hand Martinez’s successor a transfer war chest in excess of £100m as he looks to turn the Blues back into a side to compete for European qualification.

Koeman works with technical director Martin Hunter at Southampton while de Boer, before quitting Ajax this week, had Marc Overmars as sporting director.

Manchester City boss Pellegrini, who will be replaced by Pep Guardiola this summer, has former Barcelona man Txiki Begiristain above him as the club’s technical director.

Martinez liked working in the traditional management structure, which allowed him to have control over all club affairs, and he had been hoping to build an Arsene Wenger-style dynasty at Goodison.

However, after a run of just one win in their last 10 matches and having overseen a second season of failure, Everton’s board wielded the axe.

And now Blues chiefs are looking at possibly replacing him with a head coach whilst also appointing a sporting director.

I know we can point to examples where it hasn't worked, but I think it might be a good idea. It's not just a European thing, most clubs have a variation of that role now, and I think it'll be another step in the development of the club.

Views?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on May 14, 2016, 03:05:37 AM
I'm on board with this. It would offer more continuity in an era where most managers stick around for less that two seasons.

It needs to be the right person. Who that is, I don't know.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Risky on May 14, 2016, 03:09:01 AM
Yeah it's a good idea as long as it's the right person that's in the role, and that the boundaries between the DoF role and the manager role are understood and stuck to.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 14, 2016, 03:11:55 AM
Would Joe Royle fit that role?

I know he's not keen on full time management, wonder if he would be interested, or any good at it?

@Simon Paul (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) might know?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Major Clanger on May 14, 2016, 03:15:33 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-explore-sporting-director-model-11330466

I know we can point to examples where it hasn't worked, but I think it might be a good idea. It's not just a European thing, most clubs have a variation of that role now, and I think it'll be another step in the development and modernisation of the club.

Views?

Only if it's someone who's part of the club's firmament, like Joe Royle.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: 74Blue on May 14, 2016, 03:17:49 AM
Well for the past god knows how many years, we've been operating with a board of "directors of fuck all", so a director of football may be a step forward for us.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on May 14, 2016, 03:39:39 AM
WHo was that American bloke without a football background we brought in and what was his role again?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Corinthian on May 14, 2016, 03:43:59 AM
As a side issue I would imagine that this signifies the end of Bill Kenwright taking any more unilateral footballing decisions like appointing a new manager which would be a plus at this turning point for the club.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Jimmywhack on May 14, 2016, 03:44:20 AM
Would Joe Royle fit that role?

I know he's not keen on full time management, wonder if he would be interested, or any good at it?

@Simon Paul (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1) might know?
Would royle not be a little out of touch now?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Sixx1402 on May 14, 2016, 03:47:44 AM
What would someone in that role do though? I don't like the idea of them bringing the players in as surely the manager should do that as it's his system?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Major Clanger on May 14, 2016, 03:49:08 AM
Would royle not be a little out of touch now?

I wouldn't think so. I'd be more concerned that the role isn't hands-on enough for him, not all people can tolerate that.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Gash on May 14, 2016, 03:50:40 AM
WHo was that American bloke without a football background we brought in and what was his role again?

Joe Max Moore, striker.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Cassius on May 14, 2016, 03:54:23 AM
WHo was that American bloke without a football background we brought in and what was his role again?

He was all about the youth wasn't he? And I'm sure he had no football background?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Major Clanger on May 14, 2016, 03:54:48 AM
What would someone in that role do though? I don't like the idea of them bringing the players in as surely the manager should do that as it's his system?

In an ideal world the DoF is in continuous discussion with the head coach about transfer targets. Once they have a list, a good DoF does the donkey work of chasing them up, monitoring their availability, talking to agents and so on. He also organizes the scouting and deals with the contracts of the players already at the club.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Sixx1402 on May 14, 2016, 04:01:12 AM
In an ideal world the DoF is in continuous discussion with the head coach about transfer targets. Once they have a list, a good DoF does the donkey work of chasing them up, monitoring their availability, talking to agents and so on. He also organizes the scouting and deals with the contracts of the players already at the club.

OK cool, my only worry would be if they had a difference of option over targets, like kinnear and pardew at Newcastle, that would be absolute bollocks
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Major Clanger on May 14, 2016, 04:05:28 AM
OK cool, my only worry would be if they had a difference of option over targets, like kinnear and pardew at Newcastle, that would be absolute bollocks

Yeah, what I painted was the ideal picture.

If you hire a dickhead or just a mate of a mate, you get what Newcastle got. It is a tricky position to get right.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on May 14, 2016, 04:13:47 AM
While looking on my cell phone I mis-read the headline as "Sporting Director/Director of Football Might Be Accountant."

Needless to say I about had a heart attack.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: toffee_scot on May 14, 2016, 05:14:01 AM
I've mentioned it a few times on this forum, I think having a football director - if the role can be properly implemented and defined without causing too much friction with the manager/head coach - could very well be a step in the right direction:

Our managers in the past have been given a hell of a lot of responsibility including scouting and dealing with transfers, creating and implementing a football philosophy based very much on their own vision, recruiting staff (players, coaches and scouts) and having a large say in how the long term infrastructure of the club's facilities is developed. Plus on top of all that, don't forget their main priority is to prepare the current team for the next game! Moyes and Martinez in particular were individuals who ate, slept and breathed football even when they were not working so that kind of character suits our current model.

But when that manager leaves, many of the personnel they brought in also leave and the next manager has free reign over the whole philosophy of the club and how the infrastructure is developed - what if some of the meticulous work that Martinez has done off the field is not appreciated by the next manager especially with regards to bringing more youngsters through and talks of us having a big transfer war chest?

In general, there is a concern that our current technical football model suffers from a lack of continuity and having a football director could help alleviate that problem by taking some of the burden from the manager and allow them to concentrate more on working with the players and preparing for the next game. Of course I feel that the manager should always have the biggest and defining say regarding what players are brought in as they will be working with those players closely every day but the DoF would be more in charge of chasing up the player, work on the negotiations etc.

There has to be more of an 'Everton; model then a 'Moyes' or a 'Martinez' model. A DoF should help us adapt to changes in football and help implement a philosophy while still allowing the manager the flexibility to interpret it the way they wish within certain parameters.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: everton1952 on May 14, 2016, 05:15:05 AM
In favour of it, with the reservation that it does not always work. An acutely embarrassing example is the RS who have had something like it before they got Herr Clip.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hamshank33 on May 14, 2016, 05:33:28 AM
I'm sold give Martinez a call he is good at all that shit just can't coach😏
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: ally2 on May 14, 2016, 05:38:24 AM
100% behind it.  So long as they take the footballing decisions.  You can't have Bill there as the puppet master.  He has to step back now.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 14, 2016, 01:36:40 PM
I'm in favour of this.

If for nothing other than the fact that there are less and less managers who will now have the experience of doing everything themselves.

Of course there are issues with getting the appointment right. But there are those same issues with getting a manager right too. There's always a recruitment risk.

I did also think that it should help smooth the transition of youth players to the first team.

While individual coaching styles might differ the DoF should help ensure that the youth programme and the senior signings etc are aligned.

Whereas in the manager model you always need to find someone who will take an interest in this.

Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 14, 2016, 01:38:26 PM
With regards to this specifically we must surely have whoever it is lined up and they will be involved in the recruitment process of the new manager and any new players.

Obviously if we hadn't planned to sack RM this week then there wouldn't be the awareness of this idea until next week/the week after; so I'd expect an appointment/announcement in that timeframe.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Jamokachi on May 14, 2016, 02:41:57 PM
Views?

It's about time we joined the 21st century footballing world.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: sam of the south on May 14, 2016, 02:44:51 PM
Let's say we get De Boer; how has Overmars performed as the DoF at Ajax?

Would it be feasible to get both?

Getting a DoF is indeed the modern way forward.

However, my fragile and jaded Evertonian constitution says that it greatly increases our chances of getting another vital appointment wrong 😁
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: BlueBeagle on May 14, 2016, 03:21:04 PM
I'm sold give Martinez a call he is good at all that shit just can't coach😏

He's not though.

The only 2 real quality players he's brought in during his time are Lukaku and Barry, both of which were no brainers.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Makis on May 14, 2016, 03:36:22 PM
Excellent, I've always thought NSNO has a bit more enlightened fans than other forums. What I've seen in them there have been much more people rejecting the idea out of hand because it doesn't work at City or whoever.

Toffee_scot put down the reasons why a DoF is a good idea well. It's also worth realising that a good manager doesn't necessarily make a good DoF any more than the reverse is true. They require somewhat different skills. That's why I would scan through clubs using this model and see which are doing a good job from this perspective. Clubs that are punching above their weight over a period of time including more than one manager, who have a good transfer policy and a good youth setup with a clear vision for the club.

The last part is something Everton needs as well. What sort of image should the club have in ten years time? There are plenty of clubs that are known for a style. Tactics come and go but underlying principles can stay. We were known as School of Science but what does it actually mean? Should the club define it set it as the goal to aspire to? At least to me it looks like our greatest teams (mid-80s and period from 1963 to 1970) had a few things in common: skill, determination, grit and mentality. They played good football but they were also tough and had people who hated loosing. IMO, that would not be a bad place to start defining the requirements for a team.

DoF's job would be to see that player recruitment would be on the right track. There would not be too many players who don't fit into the chosen style. This way each manager (who would also be chosen to fit the club) would only need small adjustment rather than whole-sale changes making the transition much smoother and quicker.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Francis on May 14, 2016, 04:02:55 PM
Unless the manager has the right of final decision, otherwise it may not be a good idea.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on May 14, 2016, 04:13:30 PM
There is also the practical factor that increasingly managers coming to the Premier League have largely or exclusively worked under this type of structure and therefore might not be interested in or competent to taking on the more traditional 'manager' role. The pool of candidates willing to take responsibility for the whole footballing structure is going to get smaller and smaller.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: TheTone on May 14, 2016, 04:32:27 PM
Not for me, the manager should be the main man given full control of everything , I hate that term 'Director of Football' load of old cobblers

Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on May 14, 2016, 04:44:59 PM
At Southampton don't they have a team of people who deal with potential transfers?
It's not 1 guy as such, and more importantly it's not someone that can undermine the manager.
I think a lot of the German clubs operate the same way.
The problem with having 1 person operating above the manager is hat the manager could feel less in control of things.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Fynci on May 14, 2016, 05:01:17 PM
De Boer, Overmars, and Bergkamp sounds amazing. I would be really excited if we brought in a trio like that to push the club forward, over the likes of a single name.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Fynci on May 14, 2016, 05:09:10 PM
De Boer, Overmars, and Bergkamp sounds amazing. I would be really excited if we brought in a trio like that to push the club forward, over the likes of a single name.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Trowel on May 14, 2016, 06:26:35 PM
Only De Boer left, the rest of his staff are staying including Bergkamp.
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Post by: hamshank33 on May 14, 2016, 07:52:38 PM
He's not though.

The only 2 real quality players he's brought in during his time are Lukaku and Barry, both of which were no brainers.
I beg to differ, you can't disregard deulofeu or even besic at the price I am not unhappy with how the Swiss kid seems to be going all be it in a lesser league, to name a few. I still believe in every thing he was trying to do. He just couldn't coach them. There's a reason we're all pissed off that we didn't storm up the league, he gave us belief which is why what came after was so hard. I for one was expecting to be mid table and lower for a few years after moyes left. But he came in and built from the bottom so I'll tip my hat to that but he had to go in the end.
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Post by: BlueBeagle on May 14, 2016, 07:54:55 PM
I beg to differ, you can't disregard deulofeu or even besic at the price I am not unhappy with how the Swiss kid seems to be going all be it in a lesser league, to name a few. I still believe in every thing he was trying to do. He just couldn't coach them. There's a reason we're all pissed off that we didn't storm up the league, he gave us belief which is why what came after was so hard. I for one was expecting to be mid table and lower for a few years after moyes left. But he came in and built from the bottom so I'll tip my hat to that but he had to go in the end.

Deulofeu is still unable to complete 90 minutes of football despite looking promising.

Besic is shite and never fit.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on May 15, 2016, 09:12:50 AM
For all the talk of Emery, the Sevilla sporting director is boss and someone we should be thinking about if we want to make a real splash:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/94729-the-mastery-of-monchi-the-power-behind-sevillas-throne (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/94729-the-mastery-of-monchi-the-power-behind-sevillas-throne)
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: blargins on May 15, 2016, 11:14:23 AM
To my mind, the manager should tell the dof who he wants and the dof has the job of getting them. Manager is the boss, not the other way round.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 15, 2016, 12:08:30 PM

To my mind, the manager should tell the dof who he wants and the dof has the job of getting them. Manager is the boss, not the other way round.

But that's just the role of your standard chief exec or executive board member.

DoF is a much more proactive role designed to give the club's playing side a longer term strategic stability than if you were changing full responsibility managers every 2/3 seasons, which is what I think will be more towards the norm for us now.
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Post by: kramer0 on May 15, 2016, 07:05:22 PM
I didn't want to talk about this in the other thread because I thought it would be disrespectful so I'll put it here.

Niasse is the most embarrassing transfer I've ever seen from Everton. Overpriced, lacking in ability, and if the assault allegations turn out to be true, a nasty character too (even if he's professional in training and gives his all on the pitch). Whoever pushed for this, and I assume it was the scouting team and the manager working together, should be ashamed. Maybe our transfer team saw major potential in him despite his flaws (a trend under Martinez, see: Besic, Funes Mori) but potential isn't enough to drive a transfer. The Besic deal was okay because we paid so little and he's shown flashes of excellence. Funes Mori was bad because we got poor value and he appears to have major defensive deficiencies (the types of issues that not even the much maligned Stones has exhibited in our terrible system). The Niasse deal was atrocious because we got awful value and he could hardly even play for months upon arrival (and things don't seem to be trending up).

A good sporting director will sort these problems out. And the italicized good is crucial because there are a lot of crap sporting directors, many of whom have already been mentioned in this thread. A good sporting director is (1) adept at spotting talent (with the help of the scouting team) and (2) [the most important part] understands value. Martinez's transfer team was iffy with (1) and downright bad with (2). The next manager might be better on both counts but it's always a crapshoot when you rely on managers.

Given that most managers only last 2/3 years per appointment, it would be a major benefit to club to have someone clever in charge of personnel decisions. So basically the opposite of Joe Kinnear. Even someone like Begiristain (City) would make me uneasy as he has a poor record of getting value on big transfers (Bony, Mangala, Otamendi, etc.). Baldini (Spurs) has made some poor choices (mostly Soldado) but Spurs' recruitment has been strong overall -- even players they've sold, like Capoue and Sigurdsson, have been very good elsewhere.

I think a sporting director would be good for Everton provided the club does its due diligence and finds someone with football and business know how, plus the skills to get everyone beneath him in the club's hierarchy pulling together (scouts, coaches, etc.).

Edit: Monchi (Sevilla) and Christian Heidel* (formerly Mainz, soon to be Schalke) are the sorts of appointments we should aspire to.

* Shout out to @Alfie Noakes (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3748) for putting him on my radar.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on May 17, 2016, 07:59:13 PM
A better article on Monchi (Sevilla).

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final)

If we find the right person, a sporting director is a very good idea for Everton.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on May 18, 2016, 08:49:31 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martinezs-everton-coaching-staff-set-11325761 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martinezs-everton-coaching-staff-set-11325761)

I'm glad to see Kevin Reeves is going along with Martinez's coaches. Our approach to player recruitment is in need of a serious overhaul.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 18, 2016, 08:51:47 PM

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martinezs-everton-coaching-staff-set-11325761 (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/martinezs-everton-coaching-staff-set-11325761)

I'm glad to see Kevin Reeves is going along with Martinez's coaches. Our approach to player recruitment is in need of a serious overhaul.

McCarthy aside, did Wigan unearth any gems while RM was there?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on May 18, 2016, 08:56:49 PM
McCarthy aside, did Wigan unearth any gems while RM was there?

It depends on how you feel about Victor Moses, Arouna Kone, Franco DiSanto, Shaun Maloney, James McArthur, Antolin Alcaraz, and Joel Robles.

I'm going to say "no" but with the caveat that those players are actually much better than most on here will give them credit for.

Edit: Toss Jean Beausejour on the pile. Overall, there's a distinctly mediocre feel to what Reeves and Martinez have done together and I will not miss them one bit.

Double Edit: Mediocre-to-bad. They spent roughly £30m on Boselli, Funes Mori, and Niasse. That's pretty lousy for a crew that's worked at clubs with little-to-no money.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 18, 2016, 09:23:43 PM
I'm definitely saying no!

They're average at best and most of  them were pretty well known before hand.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on May 18, 2016, 09:29:47 PM
I'm definitely saying no!

They're average at best and most of  them were pretty well known before hand.

It doesn't look good when you list the names. His best ever signings (in terms of overall career after the time he signed them) are Ashley Williams, Angel Rangel, James McCarthy, and Victor Moses.

Edit: And Romelu Lukaku. And probably Gerard Deulofeu. He hasn't unearthed a real unknown gem since he was managing Swansea.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 18, 2016, 09:49:18 PM

It doesn't look good when you list the names. His best ever signings (in terms of overall career after the time he signed them) are Ashley Williams, Angel Rangel, James McCarthy, and Victor Moses.

Edit: And Romelu Lukaku. And probably Gerard Deulofeu. He hasn't unearthed a real unknown gem since he was managing Swansea.

Yes.

Of those, Williams and McCarthy are the best.

McArthur and Rangel ok for the level of teams they are at and their initial cost.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Ridge on May 18, 2016, 10:11:36 PM
Sporting directors or Directors of football are there either at a managers behest to have influence at board level in transfers or to restrict managers excesses or short term approach as they have to swim or sink. The former tend to resign when the manager goes and the latter don't hand around long.

I think directors of football can be too stubborn in their profile and they often end up paying too much for each player. The manager has to adopt every player as his own and it's easier for both player and manager if they are demonstratively wanted by the manager.

You hear far more success stories associated with head scouts or heads of recuitment than you ever do about sporting directors.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 18, 2016, 10:28:39 PM
Continuity is the idea behind a DoF, so what's the point in appointing someone who could be easily poached by another club if he does well, such as Overmars.

It should be someone with a strong Everton background. Someone like Royle for example.
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Post by: kramer0 on May 18, 2016, 10:36:43 PM
Please read this article if you're a DoF skeptic.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final)

Choice quote:

Quote
“Sixteen people cover a series of leagues. For the first five months we watch a lot of football but with no particular aim: we’re just accumulating data. Every month we produce an ideal XI for each league. Then in December we start watching players who appeared regularly in different contexts – home, away, international – to build the broadest possible profile.”

Monchi pulls out his phone and, carefully reducing the image so the names can’t be seen, says: “That gives us this.” A colour-coded spreadsheet shows players by position. Around 250 potential targets, in all positions. “The manager says: ‘I want a left-back who averages 11km a game, runs 800m at full speed, uses both feet.’ And from these, 10 will fit.”

That's what I want for Everton. But maybe I'm crazy.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 18, 2016, 10:41:44 PM

Please read this article if you're a DoF skeptic.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final)

Choice quote:

That's what I want for Everton. But maybe I'm crazy.

I fail to see how this isn't a good idea.

Yes you need to get this appointment right but that's no different from anything other appointment.

For instance we need a keeper.

We need one whether RM had stayed or we appoint Mourinho or any other manager.

With DoF they have all this available to allow New Manager to set out the criteria and there'll be a list of players to choose from.

Yes a manager can do this but they also have lots of other jobs too. But more importantly they can take all this with them if they bugger off.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 18, 2016, 11:49:42 PM
Please read this article if you're a DoF skeptic.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/17/sevilla-monchi-liverpool-europa-league-final)

Choice quote:

That's what I want for Everton. But maybe I'm crazy.

ABSOLUTELY.  And no matter how avid a football fan a manager might be, there's NO FUCKING WAY he can keep track of personnel in a global sport like this.  Again, coaches running personnel doesn't work at the NFL level, and that's a MUCH narrower universe of prospective players, even with the German lad getting drafted by the Vikings this year.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 18, 2016, 11:59:06 PM
And having read Kramer's article, it's clear to me that in 20 years, EVERYBODY will be doing this.  The question is...will Everton reap the advantages of being on the cutting edge early (in the UK), or not?
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Post by: Sir Stealth on May 19, 2016, 12:13:25 AM
I want to be one of those fellas who collects the data and just goes and watches loads of footy matches

I would also collect data on what the pies are like at each ground
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Post by: Ridge on May 19, 2016, 12:40:23 AM
He also signed Diame didn't he? Or was that Bruce because he now has him at Hull? The guy who said the women of Wigan only look good by night  :snigger:

Wigan was a more appealing prospect for players than Swansea was. His transfers were profitable at both clubs though, he only paid over £4m twice, for Boselli and Ramis, they couldn't adapt. But always thought Bruce had the better transfer and league record at Wigan.

He got decent fees for Valencia, Cattermole, Moses and N'Zogbia and could have got decent fees for Diame, Rodellega and possibly Di Santo and Figueroa at some points. But players were always on shorter contracts and I think it meant they had a very limited shelf life.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Goaljira on May 19, 2016, 12:49:45 AM
I want to be one of those fellas who collects the data and just goes and watches loads of footy matches

I would also collect data on what the pies are like at each ground

If you need someone to cover your holidays in this new job then I'll volunteer.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 19, 2016, 01:00:58 AM

He also signed Diame didn't he? Or was that Bruce because he now has him at Hull? The guy who said the women of Wigan only look good by night  :snigger:

Wigan was a more appealing prospect for players than Swansea was. His transfers were profitable at both clubs though, he only paid over £4m twice, for Boselli and Ramis, they couldn't adapt. But always thought Bruce had the better transfer and league record at Wigan.

He got decent fees for Valencia, Cattermole, Moses and N'Zogbia and could have got decent fees for Diame, Rodellega and possibly Di Santo and Figueroa at some points. But players were always on shorter contracts and I think it meant they had a very limited shelf life.

Diame, Valenica etc were all signed by Bruce, yes.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 19, 2016, 02:09:29 AM
Where's the Lukaku/Stones money, Sir Stealth??
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: toffee_scot on May 19, 2016, 05:18:47 AM
This Monchi fella from Sevilla has done a great job. But:

Quote
Arouna Koné was our most expensive signing and scored two in 41; he goes to Levante, a ‘weaker’ team, and scores 17.”


Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on May 22, 2016, 05:15:47 AM
Daily Mail saying we are considering Big Joe and Marc Overmars for the position.

Probably guesswork like.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2016, 06:27:36 AM
Daily Mail saying we are considering Big Joe and Marc Overmars for the position.

Probably guesswork like.

Ignore them until they can spell Mark properly
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 22, 2016, 02:54:50 PM
Marc Overmars is actually a sensible dof, he has a proper business mind. He became one of the richest Dutch ex/footballers through investing his money!
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 22, 2016, 03:15:51 PM

Daily Mail saying we are considering Big Joe and Marc Overmars for the position.

Probably guesswork like.

A bit of a polarised choice.

Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Bluedylan on May 22, 2016, 03:20:42 PM
Be well up for taking Ajax's DoF, if we're going down that route. That's a club that knows how to utilise that role, and an incoming candidate from Ajax would bring extensive knowledge and experience of what the role entails, and would hopefully be able to hit the ground running.

Giving Royle the job feels a bit like giving one of your family members who's half decent at maths the job of doing your accounts, and locking him in an office with a load of textbooks while he learns what he's got to do.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Trowel on May 22, 2016, 04:14:43 PM
Always find it odd that the club's official Twitter account promotes gossip... unless...

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/734310362225344512
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Tinga on May 22, 2016, 04:43:03 PM
Always find it odd that the club's official Twitter account promotes gossip... unless...

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/734310362225344512

Our whole media part of the club is complete amateur hour anyway.
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Post by: ally2 on May 22, 2016, 04:46:07 PM

Our whole media part of the club is complete amateur hour anyway.

Totally agree. The app is beyond useless. This is not difficult stuff.
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Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 22, 2016, 05:06:53 PM
Doesn't help that in the above picture Joe seems to be saying, "Director of What?"
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Audrey Horne on May 22, 2016, 05:37:16 PM
Love that the app was updating the shites goals in the derby about 20 mins after they went in hahaha
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: toffee_scot on May 22, 2016, 05:50:44 PM
Giving Royle the job feels a bit like giving one of your family members who's half decent at maths the job of doing your accounts, and locking him in an office with a load of textbooks while he learns what he's got to do.

Agreed. You never know though, Royle could have the makings of a good DoF plus he knows the club very well. But I'd rather we went for someone with very good experience of that role and knows how to manage the division of responsibilities. The person has to be a little business savvy, whether Royle is, I do not know.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on May 22, 2016, 06:06:55 PM
Obviously the role is quite protean and different in different contexts, but the person specification for a DoF:

Wide-ranging knowledge of players and the transfer market, as well as other football people (managers etc.)

Extensive network of contacts within football including agents and people at other clubs and networking ability to grow this

Long term business and footballing vision (as in some countries the DoF is just that: a director, who sits on the board.)

accounting ability to balance the books from transfers

Ability to act as an ambassador for the club to other football parties and possibly the public

Ability to take responsibility for all footballing aspects of the club, ensure they are working together towards the club's vision.

We all love Big Joe but how many of these boxes does he tick? One?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: van der Meyde on May 22, 2016, 08:21:32 PM
It's interesting how common the there is here that the Director of Football should have an extensive personal knowledge of players here.

Given that football clubs tend to have an extensive network of scouts, with a scout for each country/region, I'm not sure how realistic that is. Would Marc Overmars, coming from a stint as an academy coach, have had this knowledge when he became Ajax's director of football? I doubt it.

It'll be interesting to see just how hands on whoever comes in will be and how the responsibilities are spread between the manager, the director of football and, say, a chief scout/head of recruitment.

It's important that there's a clear structure in place and until we actually know what that is, it's difficult to say what the most important qualities will be.

What I'd personally like to see is a long-term appointment of somebody with a long-term vision for the club from the academy up. Somebody whose main role is to identify and appoint managers that fit our style/identity. Somebody who can sit down with the manager, the head scout and whoever else to draw up a list of possible players, but with the manager giving the final say on players brought in.

Fuck knows who that could be, though.
Title: Who would you want as Director of Football
Post by: Toddacelli on May 26, 2016, 01:51:11 AM
I like the idea of a Director of Football, but have no idea who would be good at it.

I'm also not exactly sure what one would do. I get that they are responsible overall for the direction of all things 'football' within the club, but what individual responsibilities does that boil down to and how is that different from what Moshiri will be doing?

Anyway. Suggestions please. I'll start first.

Howard Wilkinson.
Title: Re: Who would you want as Director of Football
Post by: sirblue57 on May 26, 2016, 01:53:17 AM
I like the idea of a Director of Football, but have no idea who would be good at it.

I'm also not exactly sure what one would do. I get that they are responsible overall for the direction of all things 'football' within the club, but what individual responsibilities does that boil down to and how is that different from what Moshiri will be doing?

Anyway. Suggestions please. I'll start first.

Howard Wilkinson.

Just fuck off.

Immediate ban please.

Howard fucking Wilkinson?  Would rather have martinez or Moyes.  :headbang:

Title: Re: Who would you want as Director of Football
Post by: Redartin on May 26, 2016, 01:57:21 AM
Moyes

If it means he doesn't get the manager's job.
Title: Re: Who would you want as Director of Football
Post by: Brownie on May 26, 2016, 01:59:05 AM
Is he even still alive? You need someone with a bit of experience granted but also someone who's in touch with the modern game. Someone who no longer wants to manage but wants to be involved. It's the sort of thing Wenger will do I think. As for us, not a clue.
Title: Re: Who would you want as Director of Football
Post by: kramer0 on May 26, 2016, 02:10:17 AM
Joe Royal, whose name I am spelling correctly.

[snark over]

In all honesty... it depends on what exactly we want the role to entail. Plus, I would assume that most of us don't really know many (or any) exciting names for this sort of position (except for Monchi, who definitely isn't coming). Arsenal tend to do very well in their recruitment and have a very good analytics department so perhaps Moshiri has someone in mind from his old club.
Title: Re: Who would you want as Director of Football
Post by: Waltzer on May 26, 2016, 02:11:56 AM
Glen Hoddle might be a good fit? Good philosophy on football, strange views on other subjects but overall seems to be in touch with the modern game and appreciates technical players and would look to recruit them.
Title: Re: Who would you want as Director of Football
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2016, 02:12:04 AM
Actually think this probably does need to be somebody very familiar with the British game.

Not sure of an ideal candidate but they need knowledge of the English youth leagues and their strengths and weaknesses, and contacts in the English leagues that will help with loans to develope our young players.
Title: Re: Who would you want as Director of Football
Post by: Toddacelli on May 26, 2016, 02:20:07 AM
Just fuck off.

Immediate ban please.

Howard fucking Wilkinson?  Would rather have martinez or Moyes.  :headbang:



Lol.

Before I get banned....  let me explain where this comes from.

Now I have no idea if this is true or not, but this is a story related to me by another fan (a Leicester fan, although that makes no difference whatsoever):

Howard Wilkinson was charged with the responsibilty of leading the England national team development strategy and planning to win the next world cup.
HW went away and did this very dilligently and came back to the FA who decided that it was too expensive to implement and threw it out.
One of HW's German colleagues heard about it and asked if he could have a look.
Cue big German football association refocus and Germany became even more dominant over the next decade.

Now cue you lot telling me this is a load of old shit...
Title: Re: Who would you want as Director of Football
Post by: Toddacelli on May 26, 2016, 02:21:29 AM
Here it is:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2014/howard-wilkinson-says-germanys-world-3862826

Shit though. Didn't realise he was so old!
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Redartin on May 26, 2016, 03:18:20 AM
Here it is:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2014/howard-wilkinson-says-germanys-world-3862826

Shit though. Didn't realise he was so old!

Well then, we need the German guy who steals good ideas from Ol' foggies
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on May 26, 2016, 05:31:20 AM
I have literally no idea who it should be, as the people with the right credentials are rarely prominent 'football people'.

Les Reed is bossing it in the role down at Southampton. I'd never heard of the fucker before.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Dr. Sponge on May 26, 2016, 05:36:03 AM
If we're leaving the day to day coaching to the manager, and appointing a DoF for the long-term vision stuff etc...

Wouldn't it make sense to have a DoF who is hired on the basis of his savvy business skills, and then have an "advisor to the DoF" in the form of someone like Joe Royle, so we don't stray too far from what makes us Everton.

That might come across as unrealistic, but it just makes sense to me to have a system like that.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Rhys on May 26, 2016, 05:52:58 AM
I have literally no idea who it should be, as the people with the right credentials are rarely prominent 'football people'.

Les Reed is bossing it in the role down at Southampton. I'd never heard of the fucker before.

Surely you remember his amazing spell in charge managing Charlton? You know...lasted about 2 months when they saw him as the saviour after Iain dowie? Had curbishley for about 10,000 years then went through dowie and reed and got pardew in all before Xmas I think.
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Post by: ally2 on May 26, 2016, 01:29:31 PM
Yeah Les Reed was awful. I remember at the time thinking Lou Reed probably could have done a better job. I'm astonished to hear he is competent at something.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on May 26, 2016, 01:59:43 PM

Surely you remember his amazing spell in charge managing Charlton? You know...lasted about 2 months when they saw him as the saviour after Iain dowie? Had curbishley for about 10,000 years then went through dowie and reed and got pardew in all before Xmas I think.

Got a point vs us when Yobo was fastening his boot laces!
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Trublue on May 26, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
Glen Hoddle might be a good fit? Good philosophy on football, strange views on other subjects but overall seems to be in touch with the modern game and appreciates technical players and would look to recruit them.
I actually think it's a good shout. I wouldn't mind giving him a go as manager if he left his faith healing beliefs out of it and of course wasn't saying horrible things about the disabled.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Danny on May 26, 2016, 10:36:53 PM
Got a point vs us when Yobo was fastening his boot laces!

Had to rewatch that, incredibly funny, the ball goes past him about 1 foot away and he is too busy doing his laces to even try and stop it.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Major Clanger on May 26, 2016, 10:38:41 PM
Surely you remember his amazing spell in charge managing Charlton? You know...lasted about 2 months when they saw him as the saviour after Iain dowie? Had curbishley for about 10,000 years then went through dowie and reed and got pardew in all before Xmas I think.

To be fair, after Iain Dowie most managers would've been seen like a saviour.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Hawkandro on May 26, 2016, 10:58:43 PM
Maybe we want Gary Neville for the DoF role?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 26, 2016, 11:36:13 PM
It's going to be Shorty!!
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Bluedylan on May 27, 2016, 04:39:51 AM
More promising Overmars links:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-eyeing-ajax-director-football-8059127
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: toffee_scot on May 27, 2016, 04:55:28 AM
More promising Overmars links:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-eyeing-ajax-director-football-8059127

I still find it extremely difficult taking anything the Mirror says seriously.

However it's very interesting seeing the results of the poll at the bottom of the page regarding whether the director of football model would work of not. 82% say 'yes'.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Bluedylan on May 27, 2016, 04:58:10 AM
I still find it extremely difficult taking anything the Mirror says seriously.

However it's very interesting seeing the results of the poll at the bottom of the page regarding whether the director of football model would work of not. 82% say 'yes'.

I tend to believe them completely if it's something I'm in favour of, and if it's something I don't like reading, I try to discredit them and criticise individual journalists based on little or no evidence, if possible.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on May 27, 2016, 04:05:26 PM
Being reported in Dutch papers now. @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) is this a reliable source?

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/voetbal/ajax/25879397/__Ook_Overmars_in_beeld_bij_Everton__.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=telesporttf#voetbal/227/fixtures/
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Fynci on May 27, 2016, 04:20:58 PM
It's the biggest selling newspaper in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Alanvideo on May 27, 2016, 04:30:13 PM
Being reported in Dutch papers now. @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) is this a reliable source?

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/voetbal/ajax/25879397/__Ook_Overmars_in_beeld_bij_Everton__.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=telesporttf#voetbal/227/fixtures/
...........I love the translation - ' the great rival of Liverpool recently put the trainer Martinez outside '  :wag:
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: blue slug on May 27, 2016, 05:26:32 PM
...........I love the translation - ' the great rival of Liverpool recently put the trainer Martinez outside '  :wag:

haha sounds like your putting the dog out for shitting on the carpet
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on May 27, 2016, 05:32:20 PM
...........I love the translation - ' the great rival of Liverpool recently put the trainer Martinez outside '  :wag:

I like how it says we can't compete with the 'financial abuse' at the top of the Premier league
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: KingdingalingNL on May 27, 2016, 06:00:31 PM
Being reported in Dutch papers now. @KingdingalingNL (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=50) is this a reliable source?

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/voetbal/ajax/25879397/__Ook_Overmars_in_beeld_bij_Everton__.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=telesporttf#voetbal/227/fixtures/

De Telegraaf is a large and quite serious paper so could be something in it. One thing I noticed was no link to an English paper or site, sometimes when a Dutch player gets linked they use one of the shittey rumours from England as a source, with this one there is no according to ......... Which makes me believe they know something!
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: bogie on May 27, 2016, 11:43:06 PM
Tim Bezbatchenko

gets the job done
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Bluedylan on May 31, 2016, 05:55:14 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-manchester-united-set-tug-8087016
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Trowel on May 31, 2016, 09:40:27 PM
Okay, this is getting seriously interesting... I can't see any substance to back the claim up - could just be putting two and two together - but Matt Law is usually ok.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/31/everton-make-bold-move-to-poach-star-sevilla-sporting-director-m/

Everton will make an ambitious move to try to tempt Sevilla sporting director Monchi to Goodison Park following suggestions in Spain that he is ready for a new challenge.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on May 31, 2016, 09:45:34 PM
Monchi would be the backroom signing of the summer if we could somehow pull it off.

Gut Feeling: He's going to take a year off to search for his next project.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on May 31, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
Monchi and Emery really would be a dream team but I think it's rather unlikely.

All I know about this Macia is he was a boss scout on Football Manager.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: christiffa25 on June 01, 2016, 12:06:14 AM
Monchi and Emery really would be a dream team but I think it's rather unlikely.

All I know about this Macia is he was a boss scout on Football Manager.

Now that really would be something to get excited about!

Pelegrini and keoman etc are all potentially good appointments and a bit of a coupe but wouldn't get me thinking WOW with this new owner we really mean business.

Bring these two in together and that WOW factor would definitely be there and it would show times are definitely massively changing and we mean business!
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Trowel on June 01, 2016, 03:46:57 AM
Sevilla have released an official statement saying they're enforcing Monchi's contract, which runs until 2020, and he's accepted he's  staying. However he has a £5m buyout clause.

http://www.sevillafc.es/es/actualidad/noticias/el-sevilla-se-remite-al-contrato-para-mantener-monchi-en-su-puesto
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Goaljira on June 01, 2016, 03:51:34 AM
Sevilla have released an official statement saying they're enforcing Monchi's contract, which runs until 2020, and he's accepted he's  staying. However he has a £5m buyout clause.

http://www.sevillafc.es/es/actualidad/noticias/el-sevilla-se-remite-al-contrato-para-mantener-monchi-en-su-puesto
So we could in theory tomorrow get Emery and Monchi for less than Emery would have cost today?

Best BOGOF ever?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on June 01, 2016, 11:23:50 AM

Sevilla have released an official statement saying they're enforcing Monchi's contract, which runs until 2020, and he's accepted he's  staying. However he has a £5m buyout clause.

http://www.sevillafc.es/es/actualidad/noticias/el-sevilla-se-remite-al-contrato-para-mantener-monchi-en-su-puesto

I'm assuming he's accepted it as he has no choice(!) plus that he's fine with them getting a fee for him going.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on June 02, 2016, 01:29:01 AM
This article says Monchi quit because he intends to come to work for us.

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/liga-bbva/monchi-sevilla-everton-inglaterra-clausula-5173877
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on June 02, 2016, 01:34:06 AM
This article says Monchi quit because he intends to come to work for us.

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/liga-bbva/monchi-sevilla-everton-inglaterra-clausula-5173877

[Prays that source is reputable]

Monchi is genuinely the best signing we can make this summer. If we pull it off, it will be a MASSIVE statement of intent from the club.

Pay him whatever he wants, I say. He's that good at his job.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Alanvideo on June 02, 2016, 01:35:17 AM
Hope this link works ,it's the translation of part of the article quoted by hill135. Sounds like he DOES want to come to us BUT there are many conflicting stories in the Spanish press.
http://www.bing.com/translator/?to=&from=&ref=IE8Activity

......No it doesn't work  :bonk:
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: ally2 on June 02, 2016, 01:50:24 AM
translation:

January 27, 2014. Ramon Rodriguez Verdejo, known in football as Monchi, lands in London. His intention is installed some time in England to know the intricacies of British football, the way to work in the islands, perfect the language ... all while working in Sevilla, for which it is connected by videoconference twice daily .

It was the first personal contact with Monchi another 'world' football. Now, eighteen months later, Sevilla sporting director had decided to end his 16 years in the club's Sanchez Pizjuan to start a British adventure. Monchi never the hype generated by his request or, much less, the position of Sevilla imagined.

Monchi confident that the termination clause, estimated at five million, would not be considered as a form of appreciation from Sevilla for services rendered. The athletic director knew, of course, the existence of the clause but never imagined that 'his' Sevilla put stick to your wishes after 16 years of outstanding work that has contributed to Sevilla excellent sporting level and good million euros their need coffers.

Monchi's destiny was Everton. The club made available to Monchi 150 million euros to strengthen the squad and gave him all the power that controlled for football training. The stable situation because Everton intends to carry out a major refurbishment of its staff and all its technical structure and has not yet covered the square coach. Catalan Robert Martinez left the bench and still has no spare despite the barrage of names (David Moyes, Nigel Pearson ...) who have come to the fore.

Everton awaiting the arrival of Monchi to develop all the technical chart. At the moment it is not possible but Monchi not give up. The sports director is confident that when the noise level decreases the Seville club is comprehensive. In addition, the Seville Monchi know that will not work in any other Spanish club but their desire is to accept the offer from Everton.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 02, 2016, 01:54:06 AM
Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god (repeat to fade)
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Goaljira on June 02, 2016, 02:01:01 AM
Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god (repeat to fade)
Sorry for all the gifs people.  Last one for today.

(https://squatchmakesthree.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/homer.gif)
Title: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Zoolander on June 02, 2016, 02:01:08 AM
Love mashed up foreign translations.
That ones a Mash....
It's a Monchi Mash....
We do the Mash...




And with that Zoolander was gone......
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Alanvideo on June 02, 2016, 02:04:29 AM
Love mashed up foreign translations.
That ones a Mash....
It's a Monchi Mash....
We do the Mash...




And with that Zoolander was gone......
.............speaking of mash........

Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Confucius on June 02, 2016, 03:20:46 AM
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Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: GLewis on June 02, 2016, 04:49:28 AM
Surely too random a story to be made up.

If it comes off I hope everyone gives the appointment the patience that it needs, more so than a manager/head coach appointment.

We need, as the article says, the whole technical structure put in place so that will take time to bear fruit.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 02, 2016, 06:12:11 AM
Surely too random a story to be made up.

If it comes off I hope everyone gives the appointment the patience that it needs, more so than a manager/head coach appointment.

We need, as the article says, the whole technical structure put in place so that will take time to bear fruit.

Yeah. That's literally a 5 year window of a probationary period in my eyes. (Compared to a 2 year one for a manager)
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Lxxx on June 02, 2016, 05:17:13 PM
If we do get Monchi I can see a safe appointment like Pellegrini on a short term contract, maybe 2 years, being the option we go for. Pellegrini will be a good fit for him whilst Monchi revamps the club. He's a safe pair of hands, knows the Sporting Director role and is comfortable working with it, speaks the same lingo and has experience of winning the Premier League. I think they'd work well together, a quiet revolution.
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Post by: GLewis on June 02, 2016, 05:29:34 PM
Most contracts could be short term if this works as planned.

This is more important than the coach for me.
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Post by: Rhys on June 02, 2016, 06:02:15 PM
If we do get Monchi I can see a safe appointment like Pellegrini on a short term contract, maybe 2 years, being the option we go for. Pellegrini will be a good fit for him whilst Monchi revamps the club. He's a safe pair of hands, knows the Sporting Director role and is comfortable working with it, speaks the same lingo and has experience of winning the Premier League. I think they'd work well together, a quiet revolution.

I agree. He did it with Villarreal, did it with Malaga and got City back on track quickly after Mancini left the players in a mess. I know people question his desire, but cant really argue with his record especially when he has done what we are looking for in the next couple of years quickly with Villarreal and Malaga.

For me I'd go for Emery as first pick given the stage of his career, what he has done so far and especially if Monchi is the one we want for that role they know and trust each other which is crucial to the model working. But if he isnt an option, personally I'd rather us go for Pellegrini over Koeman as the 'safer' option.
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Post by: ally2 on June 02, 2016, 07:07:17 PM
I do think that we are taking longer because there are two appointments to make. And also that we are probably going to have to settle affairs with clubs whose employees we want. I can see that we might just snatch these people, but in the closed season a well run club might have a policy that they won't release anyone until their own replacement plans have been made (regardless of money). And why not?
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Post by: Alanvideo on June 03, 2016, 01:42:30 AM
PSG now after Monchi ,according to Spanish press . He's not coming is he.
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Post by: hill135 on June 14, 2016, 06:17:41 PM
What's going on with this then?

Reports about hiring a DoF seemed to have died down, and I notice Ron's title is 'manager', which carries certain connotations.

I would think unless a DoF is imminent (!) then Ron would have a very big role in recruitment this summer so we don't get left behind. Maybe a DoF is a longer term aspiration and we'll just make do this summer.
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Post by: pjk on June 14, 2016, 06:30:10 PM
What's going on with this then?

Reports about hiring a DoF seemed to have died down, and I notice Ron's title is 'manager', which carries certain connotations.

I would think unless a DoF is imminent (!) then Ron would have a very big role in recruitment this summer so we don't get left behind. Maybe a DoF is a longer term aspiration and we'll just make do this summer.



It's possible he may have stipulated the role of manager in contract talks. Everton have always allowed the manager to do the buying at the club, finances allowing. A DOF has come to the fore, I would imagine, due to Roberto's purchase of Niasse. Maybe the rumours are wide of the mark?
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Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 14, 2016, 06:53:00 PM
and I notice Ron's title is 'manager', which carries certain connotations.


(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HfqZtQOvKlM/hqdefault.jpg)
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Post by: Bluedylan on June 14, 2016, 10:23:53 PM
The Echo lot said that it's still very much the intention to get a DoF this summer and that more than likely the reason it's gone a bit quiet is that the club were focusing on getting Koeman and his staff finalised to settle the fans down, and to get the summer business underway.
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Post by: hill135 on June 15, 2016, 01:42:15 AM
Some apparently respected ITK on TEF says we're talking to Monchi and some mystery candidate this week.
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Post by: Jimmywhack on June 15, 2016, 01:50:47 AM
Some apparently respected ITK on TEF says we're talking to Monchi and some mystery candidate this week.
To be fair, he is normally very good.
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Post by: kramer0 on June 15, 2016, 02:11:35 AM
Give Monchi all the money!

Seriously though. I'd at least give him parity with Koeman.
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Post by: Confucius on June 15, 2016, 02:15:27 AM
Give Monchi all the money!

Seriously though. I'd at least give him parity with Koeman.

You would seriosuly give him 6M a year?

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/gszNyrVfqobte/200_s.gif)
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Post by: kramer0 on June 15, 2016, 02:16:27 AM
You would seriosuly give him 6M a year?

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/gszNyrVfqobte/200_s.gif)

Yep! He'll ultimately pay for himself.

Edit: I'm also pretty sure he can get our recruitment into Atletico/Juventus territory which is the gold standard in world football. So he's worth it even if he doesn't pay for himself, which he probably will.
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Post by: Jay on June 15, 2016, 02:19:14 AM
Yep! He'll ultimately pay for himself.

Agreed. Let him name his price.
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Post by: van der Meyde on June 15, 2016, 05:44:02 AM
Paul Joyce saying that the move for Monchi looks "doomed to failure."

Tends to have the inside track on a lot of things here, but hopefully wrong.
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Post by: blargins on June 15, 2016, 06:39:55 AM
What's going on with this then?

Reports about hiring a DoF seemed to have died down, and I notice Ron's title is 'manager', which carries certain connotations.

I would think unless a DoF is imminent (!) then Ron would have a very big role in recruitment this summer so we don't get left behind. Maybe a DoF is a longer term aspiration and we'll just make do this summer.

I would have thought a DoF would be a priority this summer given the amount of money available to spend. If Koeman is not experienced in the acquisition of players on a traditional basis, then something seems amiss.
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Post by: kramer0 on June 15, 2016, 09:20:38 AM
Paul Joyce saying that the move for Monchi looks "doomed to failure."

Sounds about right but at least we're trying.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on June 17, 2016, 10:50:59 PM
Echo saying we're likely to miss out on the Monch

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-ronald-koeman-says-11489497
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Post by: kramer0 on June 17, 2016, 11:02:36 PM
Echo saying we're likely to miss out on the Monch

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-ronald-koeman-says-11489497

1. Not surprising. I just hope he moves somewhere outside of England.
2. It's encouraging (and not all that surprising) to hear Koeman's support for the sporting director model.
3. I really hope we get this appointment right. A crap sporting director will set us back much further than a crap manager.
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Post by: blargins on June 17, 2016, 11:05:59 PM
1. Not surprising. I just hope he moves somewhere outside of England.
2. It's encouraging (and not all that surprising) to hear Koeman's support for the sporting director model.
3. I really hope we get this appointment right. A crap sporting director will set us back much further than a crap manager.

The appointment sounds as equally important as getting the manager right. All the noises there from Koeman are regarding long term, indicating that the manager position will be a reasonably high turnover compared to the DoF position.
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Post by: Goaljira on June 17, 2016, 11:37:03 PM
Echo saying we're likely to miss out on the Monch

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-ronald-koeman-says-11489497
New goalkeeping coach soon though.  Just as long as its not Chris Woods....
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Post by: Ross on June 17, 2016, 11:43:11 PM
New goalkeeping coach soon though.  Just as long as its not Chris Woods....

Koeman and David James used to live next door to each other at Sandbanks..
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Post by: hill135 on June 17, 2016, 11:54:37 PM
1. Not surprising. I just hope he moves somewhere outside of England.
2. It's encouraging (and not all that surprising) to hear Koeman's support for the sporting director model.
3. I really hope we get this appointment right. A crap sporting director will set us back much further than a crap manager.

Don't resign yourself to missing out yet as self-appointed ITK the Esk says it might still be on!
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on June 18, 2016, 03:02:14 AM
New goalkeeping coach soon though.  Just as long as its not Chris Woods....

Well I hope it's Big Nev purely for his deadpan derision of Michael Owen :snigger:

Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on June 18, 2016, 03:08:47 AM
Well I hope it's Big Nev purely for his deadpan derision of Michael Owen :snigger:


Classic video.

"Well done, he's thirteen."
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: blargins on June 18, 2016, 03:20:38 AM
I've never seen that before. Is it Owen who's 13? He certainly acts it.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 18, 2016, 01:55:46 PM
What a fucking tosspot.
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: hill135 on June 20, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/681278/Everton-Ronald-Koeman-Bill-Kenwright-Farhad-Moshiri-Premier-League-Transfer-Gossip-News
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Post by: Hawkandro on June 20, 2016, 06:33:35 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/681278/Everton-Ronald-Koeman-Bill-Kenwright-Farhad-Moshiri-Premier-League-Transfer-Gossip-News

He added: “From literally the day the decision was made [to sack Martinez], Farhad said ‘I want Ronald Koeman’ and I said ‘so do I.*’

*If Tim Sherwood wasn't available.
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Post by: BlueBeagle on June 20, 2016, 06:48:15 PM
“It’s something I wasn’t used to so I didn’t really know a lot about it because there seemed to be a lot of cross-fertilisation with my role,” he said. “But it is modern football and if you get the right one it is a big plus."

So as chairman he never bothered to find out what this DOF role is all about until now despite most top clubs having operating this way for a good while now?
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Post by: Audrey Horne on June 27, 2016, 10:37:59 PM
whats Vialli up to these days? at goodison today haha

EDIT: ah that video was from last year.....carry on!!
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Post by: TheTone on June 28, 2016, 01:28:33 AM
whats Vialli up to these days?

most probably wearing black leather pants in some gay bar right now celebrating that win
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on June 29, 2016, 10:22:37 PM
A couple of developments to keep an eye on:

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/747804345291407361 (https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/747804345291407361)

https://twitter.com/davidjaca/status/748101486740123648 (https://twitter.com/davidjaca/status/748101486740123648)

Campos is close with Mendes/Mourinho and seems a natural fit for United. Cordon allegedly has a new deal with a new club (which is further alleged to be in Spain).

It's likely that neither of these will be appointed at Everton but since we haven't seen any movement on this front recently, I thought it would be worth sharing.
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Post by: stirlingblue on June 29, 2016, 10:40:25 PM

A couple of developments to keep an eye on:

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/747804345291407361 (https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/747804345291407361)

https://twitter.com/davidjaca/status/748101486740123648 (https://twitter.com/davidjaca/status/748101486740123648)

Campos is close with Mendes/Mourinho and seems a natural fit for United. Cordon allegedly has a new deal with a new club (which is further alleged to be in Spain).

It's likely that neither of these will be appointed at Everton but since we haven't seen any movement on this front recently, I thought it would be worth sharing.

Was just going to post this about Cordon, saw the rumours he has a new club and thought it might be us.
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Post by: Simon Paul on June 30, 2016, 12:36:17 AM
Was just going to post this about Cordon, saw the rumours he has a new club and thought it might be us.

be a big step up from Gavin and Stacey mind
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Post by: Trowel on June 30, 2016, 01:25:42 PM
https://twitter.com/SjorsvanVeen/status/748398985199616000
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Post by: KingdingalingNL on June 30, 2016, 11:30:40 PM
https://twitter.com/SjorsvanVeen/status/748398985199616000

I have heard he will sign the contract and Ajax would be prepared to give him a contract for life (not bad for someone who has so called failed and signed players who also failed and waisted money even though Ajax are now financially strong since he took over!)
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Post by: Goaljira on July 01, 2016, 07:07:15 PM
Non-core club services being moved out of Finch Farm to give it more focus to the football side as well as freeing office space for the yet to be appointed Sporting Director and their team.

Sort of makes sense, but if no SD is appointed then all looks a bit foolish?
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Post by: GLewis on July 01, 2016, 08:06:37 PM

Non-core club services being moved out of Finch Farm to give it more focus to the football side as well as freeing office space for the yet to be appointed Sporting Director and their team.

Sort of makes sense, but if no SD is appointed then all looks a bit foolish?

I'm sure we will appoint one.

If you believe in the premise of the function you wouldn't not get someone in just because a couple of first choice options may, or may not, have not wanted to come.
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Post by: Alanvideo on July 01, 2016, 08:17:15 PM
Did I read somewhere that plans for Bobby's B&B have been shelved ?
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Post by: Goaljira on July 01, 2016, 08:21:36 PM
Did I read somewhere that plans for Bobby's B&B have been shelved ?

Maybe not shelved, but possibly being re-thought with us rumoured to be taking on more land around Finch Farm?
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Post by: Goaljira on July 01, 2016, 08:27:52 PM
I'm sure we will appoint one.

If you believe in the premise of the function you wouldn't not get someone in just because a couple of first choice options may, or may not, have not wanted to come.

Long term, yes we'll have one.  But I think its that important an appointment that we may well not appoint one now if the right person isn't available.
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Post by: hill135 on July 05, 2016, 11:26:07 PM
Search for a DOF must be taking longer than hoped as Ronny is taking charge of transfers for the time being.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-hand-ronald-koeman-summer-11569508
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Post by: Trowel on July 15, 2016, 12:34:39 AM
PSG have appointed... Patrick Kluivert. Interesting.
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Post by: toffee_scot on July 15, 2016, 01:27:42 AM
We seem to be taking our time appointing a director of football.

Is Koeman okay managing this role for the moment I wonder?
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Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2016, 01:30:13 AM
We seem to be taking our time appointing a director of football.

Is Koeman okay managing this role for the moment I wonder?

The Echo lot were saying the other week that the club are going to take their time with the DOF appointment, and are happy to leave recruitment upto Koeman this window.
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Post by: blargins on July 15, 2016, 01:37:49 AM
PSG have appointed... Patrick Kluivert. Interesting.

That makes me feel very old. I remember when he just broke onto the scene.
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Post by: Confucius on July 15, 2016, 01:38:22 AM
That makes me feel very old. I remember when he just broke onto the scene.

You only as old as the woman you feel.
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Post by: blargins on July 15, 2016, 01:42:06 AM
You only as old as the woman you feel.

She's 10 months older.
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Post by: Ross on July 15, 2016, 04:12:07 PM
Interesting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/15/everton-look-to-poach-leicester-citys-highly-rated-talent-spotte/


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Post by: Goaljira on July 15, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
Interesting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/15/everton-look-to-poach-leicester-citys-highly-rated-talent-spotte/

Sounds good.  But just how many teams are over training in Austria at the minute - it seems like everyone is over there!
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Post by: phillyt on July 15, 2016, 05:38:55 PM
This link to Steve Walsh, now obviously he has done well with mahrez/kante etc but beyond this does he have a decent record. Would this be the DOF version of signing hal Robson-Kanu after his great goal in the euros. How much of the players success was down to the managers influence. Certainly a link right out of nowhere but is he really that good or has he just got lucky with a couple of players that were OK, but got coached superbly?
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Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2016, 06:42:26 PM
This link to Steve Walsh, now obviously he has done well with mahrez/kante etc but beyond this does he have a decent record. Would this be the DOF version of signing hal Robson-Kanu after his great goal in the euros. How much of the players success was down to the managers influence. Certainly a link right out of nowhere but is he really that good or has he just got lucky with a couple of players that were OK, but got coached superbly?

Lots of clubs find bargains who turn out to be gems all the time, the only reason Steve Walsh is now flavour of the month is that all the stars aligned last year and Leicester won the league. It's ridiculous the high esteem this bloke is now held in for signing a few players who have had one excellent season in their career so far.
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Post by: Goaljira on July 15, 2016, 06:53:09 PM
This link to Steve Walsh, now obviously he has done well with mahrez/kante etc but beyond this does he have a decent record. Would this be the DOF version of signing hal Robson-Kanu after his great goal in the euros. How much of the players success was down to the managers influence. Certainly a link right out of nowhere but is he really that good or has he just got lucky with a couple of players that were OK, but got coached superbly?
Lots of clubs find bargains who turn out to be gems all the time, the only reason Steve Walsh is now flavour of the month is that all the stars aligned last year and Leicester won the league. It's ridiculous the high esteem this bloke is now held in for signing a few players who have had one excellent season in their career so far.

There's not that many experienced DoFs around to pick from.  What more do you actually want from someone coming in?
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Post by: phillyt on July 15, 2016, 07:00:02 PM
There's not that many experienced DoFs around to pick from.  What more do you actually want from someone coming in?

I want someone with a genuinely good record of scouting, discovering talent and working well with a manager. I don't know much about Steve Walsh, hence my question, my initial impression is he has done well there but beyond that I know nothing. Could have a great record could have a poor record.
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Post by: Goaljira on July 15, 2016, 07:09:24 PM
I want someone with a genuinely good record of scouting, discovering talent and working well with a manager. I don't know much about Steve Walsh, hence my question, my initial impression is he has done well there but beyond that I know nothing. Could have a great record could have a poor record.

There's a decent read here.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/22/steve-walsh-leicester-city-chelsea-jose-mourinho

Seems he's had a variety of roles with a number of very good managers.
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Post by: Alanvideo on July 15, 2016, 07:15:54 PM
I think he's involved with Leicester rugby as well so may not want to leave the area.
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Post by: kramer0 on July 16, 2016, 02:00:15 AM
I did some lurking on Foxes Talk to gauge the general opinion on Steve Walsh. He has a reputation among Leicester supporters as a super scout and they also seem to rate the work he does in advising the first-team manager (along with analytics people, which I always love to hear).

But that's not important right now. What I really want to share is this gem:

Quote
Everton have become a right load of dicks in a very short space of time. Dirty nouveau riche throwing their wads of cash around and just taking a scattergun approach left, right and centre.

I'm guessing centre = Koeman, and left + right = Stekelenburg.

I thought this would be worth a chuckle for the posters on here. I know there's been plenty of talk about Moshiri injecting money to make us competitive but the idea that we're "scattergunning" it is hilarious to me.
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Post by: American Evertonian on July 16, 2016, 03:41:00 AM
This link to Steve Walsh, now obviously he has done well with mahrez/kante etc but beyond this does he have a decent record. Would this be the DOF version of signing hal Robson-Kanu after his great goal in the euros. How much of the players success was down to the managers influence. Certainly a link right out of nowhere but is he really that good or has he just got lucky with a couple of players that were OK, but got coached superbly?

Honestly think regardless of the fact he may have gotten lucky with a few signings he was the only constant in the last few years as they climbed the tiers and eventually found their way to the title.....Even though it is just winning or getting promoted from the Championship, League 1, etc that still goes for something to show that he has helped them navigate up the ladder of English football consistently.
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Post by: Brownie on July 16, 2016, 03:47:24 AM
I did some lurking on Foxes Talk to gauge the general opinion on Steve Walsh. He has a reputation among Leicester supporters as a super scout and they also seem to rate the work he does in advising the first-team manager (along with analytics people, which I always love to hear).

But that's not important right now. What I really want to share is this gem:

I'm guessing centre = Koeman, and left + right = Stekelenburg.

I thought this would be worth a chuckle for the posters on here. I know there's been plenty of talk about Moshiri injecting money to make us competitive but the idea that we're "scattergunning" it is hilarious to me.

Hahaha oh dear.
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Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2016, 10:59:07 PM
Sounds like this might be a goer lads, and it's feeling like quite an impressive appointment, if we can do it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/16/leicester-city-resigned-to-losing-head-of-recruitment-steve-wals/
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Post by: kramer0 on July 17, 2016, 12:17:30 AM

Sounds like this might be a goer lads, and it's feeling like quite an impressive appointment, if we can do it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/16/leicester-city-resigned-to-losing-head-of-recruitment-steve-wals/

If true, let's hope he has a list too. We could use it right now.
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Post by: School of Science on July 17, 2016, 12:22:53 AM
If true, let's hope he has a list too. We could use it right now.

Let's hope he knows how to finalise deals as well.
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Post by: Ross on July 17, 2016, 03:14:24 AM
He sounds very promising I've always thought the appointment should have in depth knowledge of the English game with contacts abroad and he seemingly fits the bill very well.

I doubt the Fifa boys fancy if much mind...
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Post by: Ross on July 17, 2016, 03:16:02 AM
Let's hope he knows how to finalise deals as well.

Moshi's job that mate.
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Post by: Brownie on July 18, 2016, 06:08:06 AM
Jordi Cruyff's name being mentioned as a back up
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Post by: Ross on July 18, 2016, 06:16:40 AM
Jordi Cruyff's name being mentioned as a back up

Guess who his best man was?.....
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Post by: Brownie on July 18, 2016, 06:17:30 AM
Guess who his best man was?.....

Dunno
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Post by: kramer0 on July 18, 2016, 06:20:14 AM
It has to be Roberto Martinez.

Johan Cruyff and Martinez had a good relationship, from what I've read. I wouldn't be surprised if he was close with Jordi.
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Post by: Brownie on July 18, 2016, 06:22:20 AM
It has to be Roberto Martinez.

Johan Cruyff and Martinez had a good relationship, from what I've read. I wouldn't be surprised if he was close with Jordi.

Really? I didn't know that
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Post by: Ross on July 18, 2016, 06:22:40 AM
It has to be Roberto Martinez.

Johan Cruyff and Martinez had a good relationship, from what I've read. I wouldn't be surprised if he was close with Jordi.

Yeah!

What's Steve Walsh register on the hipster radar mate?
Title: Re: Sporting Director/Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: kramer0 on July 18, 2016, 06:50:46 AM
Yeah!

What's Steve Walsh register on the hipster radar mate?

Haha.

Steve Walsh has a great background as a talent spotter; he seems adept in both the better-known market (Drogba, Essien, Zola) and the lesser-known market (Mahrez, Kante, Vardy). He's also capable of advising managers on tactical adjustments and working with an analytics team.

The only issue I see is that I don't think he's done any negotiating. In fact, when I perused the Leicester forums, they all seemed pretty annoyed at the guy who ultimately negotiated the deals for Kante, Mahrez, and Vardy (Rudkin, I think) because of the release clauses he gave them (those players have all had opportunities to jump ship this summer as a result). So Walsh would probably make more sense as "Head of Scouting" unless he has some currently unused negotiating skills.

Overall, he seems to have a nice, manager-friendly profile, which is key for what should be a long-term appointment. Arsenal were sniffing around at one point so I'm not surprised at our interest; Moshiri seems intent on snagging whatever backroom talent he can from under their noses (with the caveat that any Koeman-to-Arsenal, Walsh-to-Arsenal talk could be paper BS).

We can offer a bigger role than Arsenal and more money than Leicester. Whether that combination is attractive to him is anyone's guess.
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Post by: Ross on July 18, 2016, 07:04:53 AM
Haha.

Steve Walsh has a great background as a talent spotter; he seems adept in both the better-known market (Drogba, Essien, Zola) and the lesser-known market (Mahrez, Kante, Vardy). He's also capable of advising managers on tactical adjustments and working with an analytics team.

The only issue I see is that I don't think he's done any negotiating. In fact, when I perused the Leicester forums, they all seemed pretty annoyed at the guy who ultimately negotiated the deals for Kante, Mahrez, and Vardy (Rudkin, I think) because of the release clauses he gave them (those players have all had opportunities to jump ship this summer as a result). So Walsh would probably make more sense as "Head of Scouting" unless he has some currently unused negotiating skills.

Overall, he seems to have a nice, manager-friendly profile, which is key for what should be a long-term appointment. Arsenal were sniffing around at one point so I'm not surprised at our interest; Moshiri seems intent on snagging whatever backroom talent he can from under their noses (with the caveat that any Koeman-to-Arsenal, Walsh-to-Arsenal talk could be paper BS).

We can offer a bigger role than Arsenal and more money than Leicester. Whether that combination is attractive to him is anyone's guess.

Yeah I've seen all that. My only concern, and has been all along with this appointment, is his role in developing and organising the progress of our academy players. I'd imagine though given his age and experience Walsh would have contacts within the game that would be a benefit when we need to send out our prospects for experience. Seems a sensible option to me at least.
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Post by: pjk on July 18, 2016, 07:26:56 AM
Sounds like this might be a goer lads, and it's feeling like quite an impressive appointment, if we can do it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/16/leicester-city-resigned-to-losing-head-of-recruitment-steve-wals/




He'd be an interesting appointment.  If he does come in we're certainly showing others that we do mean business. I have to feel sorry for Leicester becoming victims of their own success though, with so many at their club being snapped up. Truth be known though, "i'd love it if Ronald threw a big bid in for Mahrez". :)
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Post by: kramer0 on July 18, 2016, 10:37:29 AM
Yeah I've seen all that. My only concern, and has been all along with this appointment, is his role in developing and organising the progress of our academy players. I'd imagine though given his age and experience Walsh would have contacts within the game that would be a benefit when we need to send out our prospects for experience. Seems a sensible option to me at least.

The youth development issue is a tricky one.

Royle has done a decent job of arranging loans so far. When we bring in a director of football, you'd hope that Royle and the DoF would work together closely to get our youth players to clubs where the DoF/scouting network can track the players' progress and have a good idea of how their games are going to translate to the Premier League/Everton. You'd also hope that the Unsworth (or whoever the U21 manager is in the future) would have a big role in making recommendations on which players should be loaned and which deserve a chance in the first-team.

A lot of teamwork is required to make this thing work so we don't want to hire anyone who's particularly stubborn or arrogant w/r/t his ideas about player recruitment and/or youth development. Koeman and Unsworth seem to have had some good discussions about youth players already, which is very promising, and Walsh has worked well with Mourinho, Pearson, and Ranieri in the past so I can't imagine that he'd be a problem here.

All we can do at this point is trust Moshiri to build an effective backroom structure. Given his background at Arsenal and how smoothly that club runs, he's an easy man to trust.
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Post by: Sunglasses Ron on July 18, 2016, 01:41:02 PM
Jordi Cruyff the latest name to be linked as DOF.
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Post by: Cassius on July 18, 2016, 02:22:52 PM
Jordi Cruyff the latest name to be linked as DOF.

Guess who his best man was?.....
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Post by: ihatecollina on July 18, 2016, 02:36:01 PM
Guess who his best man was?.....
He was best man at martinez wedding wasn't he???
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Post by: ihatecollina on July 18, 2016, 02:39:02 PM
Guess who his best man was?.....
He was cruyffs best man and godfather to one of his kids ...... Jeez
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Post by: Goaljira on July 18, 2016, 03:21:57 PM
If Walsh comes in I'd guess there would be some involvement from Ryazantsev when it comes to negotiating?
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Post by: pjk on July 18, 2016, 05:15:47 PM
If Walsh comes in I'd guess there would be some involvement from Ryazantsev when it comes to negotiating?




Steve Walsh has left Leicester and gone to Everton, according to this guy on Twitter.


 https://twitter.com/superagent73
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Post by: Macca77 on July 18, 2016, 05:21:51 PM
Super Agent

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Post by: Lxxx on July 18, 2016, 06:02:06 PM
You just know Steve Walsh and Joe Royle would get on like two old mates over a few pints.
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Post by: pjk on July 18, 2016, 06:10:37 PM
Super Agent






Yeah I know, impressive stuff. :)
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Post by: Toffee1 on July 18, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
He looks a bit like Neil Tennant from the Pet Shop Boys in his Twitter profile pic.
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Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 18, 2016, 07:11:23 PM



Steve Walsh has left Leicester and gone to Everton, according to this guy on Twitter.


 https://twitter.com/superagent73

See if his name was just 'Agent' or 'Normal Agent' I definitely wouldn't believe him.

But how can you not believe a Super Agent!
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Post by: hill135 on July 18, 2016, 09:45:51 PM
This Steve Walsh has a perfectly round head like Karl Pilkington

(http://www.lcfc.com/cms_images/stevewalsh280-2780977.jpg)
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Post by: Macca77 on July 18, 2016, 09:54:13 PM
Comes to something when us trying to fins a dof gets more coverage than any new signings.
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Post by: pjk on July 18, 2016, 10:27:56 PM
He's no super agent, but...............




https://twitter.com/FourthOfficial_     :)
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Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 18, 2016, 10:29:57 PM
He's no super agent, but...............




https://twitter.com/FourthOfficial_     :)

See, now if he was just 'first official' or 'second official'........................
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Post by: Jimmywhack on July 18, 2016, 10:47:30 PM
I remember when fourth official knew her shit

Then the acct got bought I think
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Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 18, 2016, 11:26:38 PM
Hahaha the tweet he retweeted: Are you @FA going to allow @Everton (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3064) to carry on spending like this?

They are ruining football with their money. #AgainstModernFootball
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Post by: RICH on July 18, 2016, 11:36:22 PM
Yeah amazing how everyone pissed off we got money love it
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Post by: kramer0 on July 18, 2016, 11:51:40 PM
We have something like the 7th-10th richest owner in the league. The main owners of Southampton and Leicester City are comparable to Moshiri in terms of wealth. Pretty much all Moshiri has done so far is show ambition, primarily through the press, as the only incoming players/staff so far are the Koeman brothers, Kluitenberg, Lodewijks, and Stekelenburg. We haven't done anything reckless or irresponsible yet unless you think Koeman is a crap manager. If we were really throwing our money around, I'd understand the backlash, but as it is, clubs like Crystal Palace have made more of a splash this transfer window than we have.
 
The lesson here is that Moshiri definitely knows how to make a little money go a long way. We've appointed a new manager, new coaches, signed a backup goalkeeper, and made a play for a Head of Recruitment, and some people are already treating us like City and Chelsea. It's all very amusing to me.

Edit: Perhaps I've been a bit naive above. What's really pissed these clubs off is that we've made bold moves for important members of their backroom staff. It's pretty ruthless when you think about it (and smart if all of the new appointments work out).
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Post by: kramer0 on July 19, 2016, 12:26:52 AM
For whatever it's worth, someone who appears to be well-respected on Foxes Talk, in response to a thread about Steve Walsh, simply said "Gone." They're all reacting like it's a death sentence.

In related news, I have way too much free time.
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Post by: The Analog Kid on July 19, 2016, 12:37:04 AM
Leicester are having the arse ripped outta them.

Fourth Official used to post loads, been quiet for ages.
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Post by: bluestevie on July 19, 2016, 12:40:52 AM
Leicester are having the arse ripped outta them.

Fourth Official used to post loads, been quiet for ages.

The guys behind it have been on holiday according to one of their tweets before
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Post by: Bluedylan on July 19, 2016, 12:42:24 AM
Personally, I don't feel any sympathy for Leicester. It's a dog eat dog world, they've got and will have plenty of money and opportunity and their fans have just experienced something many of us never have. They've got plenty to be happy about.

They haven't been forced to lose Kante, they accepted the bid, and presumably we've made Steve Walsh a much better offer. They might well replace players and staff and still prosper - that remains to be seen (although it's unlikely to be to the same extent, I would imagine).
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Post by: Tinga on July 19, 2016, 01:05:58 AM
Yeah amazing how everyone pissed off we got money love it

Ye, all that money we've spent.
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Post by: Danny on July 19, 2016, 01:16:39 AM
Just said on Sky apparently weve had a an approach turned down and that he may want the move to be closer to his family.
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Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2016, 01:20:56 AM
Watch this drag on as per with us

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Post by: Sir Stealth on July 19, 2016, 01:24:20 AM
I was hoping that getting a billionaire owner meant that we would just throw loads of massive transfer fees about to be honest and that we would pretty much buy success like Chelsea and City did, but manage to keep our heart and actually appreciate the success

In reality we just keep on saying stuff like 'Haha were making people's heads fall off'

And then have arguments with Southampton and West Ham fans about how we've won more trophies than them

I think our squad is pretty good as it is, hopefully we do make some additions but I doubt very much whether fans of rival clubs really expect us to be challenging for the top 4 this season

If we could pick up 2 or 3 players to go straight in and improve the starting line up (a keeper would be great) and jump up 3 or 4 places in the league this season I would see that as good progress

Then hopefully everyone will start to worry about us the season after
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Post by: Confucius on July 19, 2016, 01:26:39 AM
I was hoping that getting a billionaire owner meant that we would just throw loads of massive transfer fees about to be honest and that we would pretty much buy success like Chelsea and City did, but manage to keep our heart and actually appreciate the success

In reality we just keep on saying stuff like 'Haha were making people's heads fall off'

And then have arguments with Southampton and West Ham fans about how we've won more trophies than them

I think our squad is pretty good as it is, hopefully we do make some additions but I doubt very much whether fans of rival clubs really expect us to be challenging for the top 4 this season

If we could pick up 2 or 3 players to go straight in and improve the starting line up (a keeper would be great) and jump up 3 or 4 places in the league this season I would see that as good progress

Then hopefully everyone will start to worry about us the season after

A good GK and a powerhouse midfielder means we should be top 6 next season with our current squad as it is.
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Post by: Tinga on July 19, 2016, 01:27:06 AM
Just pay the 1 million release clause and get it over with. If he's our first choice, pay it or fuck off.
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Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 19, 2016, 01:32:19 AM
A good GK and a powerhouse midfielder means we should be top 6 next season with our current squad as it is.

I would argue 2 midfielders, but yeah perhaps just 1 if that 1 is really, really good.

Problem is, we've signed 0/2 of those priorities...
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Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 19, 2016, 01:40:50 AM
I find it hilarious that other teams fans are slagging us off for spending like mad and ruining the game etc, whilst all we did so far was get a new manager who brought his back room staff with him as most do oh and bought Fulhams unwanted goalkeeper !! So far Everton has not done anything to deserve the rants that I have seen so far!
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Post by: Ross on July 19, 2016, 01:46:42 AM
Given the way the Koeman show dragged on and on I can't imagine this will be much different if we are after Walsh.
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Post by: Major Clanger on July 19, 2016, 01:47:13 AM
I find it hilarious that other teams fans are slagging us off for spending alike mad and ruining the game etc, whilst all we did so far was get a new manager who brought his back room staff with him as most do oh and bought Fulhams unwanted goalkeeper !! So far Everton has not done anything to deserve the rants that I have seen so far!

Are they really though?
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Post by: arteta4spain on July 19, 2016, 01:49:20 AM
I find it hilarious that other teams fans are slagging us off for spending alike mad and ruining the game etc, whilst all we did so far was get a new manager who brought his back room staff with him as most do oh and bought Fulhams unwanted goalkeeper !! So far Everton has not done anything to deserve the rants that I have seen so far!
Probably scared with what COULD happen. We've got a decent squad, possible better players coming in. We've nabbed a quality manager from a team who finished 5 places above us. If you erased the last two years and see what progression has happened after Moyes I can understand opposition fans shitting themselves a bit.
This could be enough to have a mental advantage over the opposition in games.
Maybe the Giants alarm clock is about to ring. ;-)
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Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2016, 01:51:42 AM
Breaking yellow things on ssn now, Leicester reject our approach
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Post by: Alanvideo on July 19, 2016, 01:53:42 AM
Breaking yellow things on ssn now, Leicester reject our approach
...........it's just a courting ritual. Walsh wants to get home to Preston so he can get chips n'gravy.
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Post by: Cozzie on July 19, 2016, 01:57:35 AM
Sounds a lot like the Koeman ordeal.

I think this will drag on but we will get him in the end.

At least we know now the interest is official, and we don't have to go off a silly tweet.
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Post by: Major Clanger on July 19, 2016, 01:58:26 AM
I was hoping that getting a billionaire owner meant that we would just throw loads of massive transfer fees about to be honest and that we would pretty much buy success like Chelsea and City did, but manage to keep our heart and actually appreciate the success

Without quoting my favourite Siv Widerberg poem about the subject (I've done that to death anyway), I don't think that would be possible.

You can only appreciate what (at least on some level) you worked for.
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Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 19, 2016, 02:08:29 AM
Are they really though?

Unless someone is going around various internet sites and commenting at the bottom of the pages and also tweeting crap pretending to be fans from different clubs then yes they are. So far I have seen nearly every team that we have so called interest in one of their players comment on the stories about us chucking money around etc etc.
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Post by: sam of the south on July 19, 2016, 02:08:55 AM
Without quoting my favourite Siv Widerberg poem about the subject (I've done that to death anyway), I don't think that would be possible.

You can only appreciate what (at least on some level) you worked for.

I'd say we've worked to ensnare our billionaire.

We've stayed in the league, and we've stayed 'classy'... Although, ironically, the last achievement is the one that may slip away over the coming years..
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Post by: Gash on July 19, 2016, 02:11:20 AM
Unless someone is going around various internet sites and commenting at the bottom of the pages and also tweeting crap pretending to be fans from different clubs then yes they are. So far I have seen nearly every team that we have so called interest in one of their players comment on the stories about us chucking money around etc etc.

Considering we've spent close to fuck all it's not really a valid comment they're making.
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Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 19, 2016, 02:17:42 AM
Considering we've spent close to fuck all it's not really a vald comment they're making.

This is what I find hilarious, we get a new owner and have not gone mental with money and still get slagged for it, it basically says a lot more of the people making the comments to be fair!

I also agree with some of the comments I have read on here that we do not need to spend big! I think with a better manager the team is strong anyway, but we do need some smart signings and also squad fillers. I think Koeman has the players he wants lined up and is just waiting to see our players up close to go ahead with the ones we really need.
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Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2016, 02:34:14 AM
This is what I find hilarious, we get a new owner and have not gone mental with money and still get slagged for it, it basically says a lot more of the people making the comments to be fair!

I also agree with some of the comments I have read on here that we do not need to spend big! I think with a better manager the team is strong anyway, but we do need some smart signings and also squad fillers. I think Koeman has the players he wants lined up and is just waiting to see our players up close to go ahead with the ones we really need.

I agree with this, he said himself he wanted to see what we've got before strengthening
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Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2016, 02:40:46 AM

I agree with this, he said himself he wanted to see what we've got before strengthening

I think that's a standard line.

He's clearly been putting the feelers out for CM as we've been liked with quite a few.

Also been pretty clear we need a no1 keeper.

And a back up / target man style striker.

I think the delays have only come about because we've tried to sign difficult targets.

Apart from the keeper we have players who at least decent PL players, if not good / very good ones.

Therefore it's not a disaster if we have to wait beyond the start of the season (which is still 4 weeks away) to sign players that we really want as we know they will make a difference.

What he may be looking at is whether we need better back up players in certain positions but again they're not desperate.
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Post by: Major Clanger on July 19, 2016, 02:40:53 AM
Unless someone is going around various internet sites and commenting at the bottom of the pages and also tweeting crap pretending to be fans from different clubs then yes they are. So far I have seen nearly every team that we have so called interest in one of their players comment on the stories about us chucking money around etc etc.

Fair enough, I don't read tweets. :)
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Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2016, 03:20:34 AM
He probably knows what he needs by now
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Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2016, 01:35:04 AM
Deal for Walsh agreed
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Post by: hill135 on July 20, 2016, 02:01:34 AM
I'm enthused by this.


Welcome Steve with your immaculately round head.


Now let's get to work and sign some players.
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Post by: Bally on January 24, 2018, 02:07:48 PM
https://t.co/rTBRIUvjh8
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Post by: Toddacelli on January 24, 2018, 03:41:41 PM
I did some lurking on Foxes Talk to gauge the general opinion on Steve Walsh. He has a reputation among Leicester supporters as a super scout and they also seem to rate the work he does in advising the first-team manager (along with analytics people, which I always love to hear).

But that's not important right now. What I really want to share is this gem:

I'm guessing centre = Koeman, and left + right = Stekelenburg.

I thought this would be worth a chuckle for the posters on here. I know there's been plenty of talk about Moshiri injecting money to make us competitive but the idea that we're "scattergunning" it is hilarious to me.

I agreed with you at the time but looking back now... 'scattergun approach'? Yeah I reckon you could call it that now.
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Post by: kramer0 on January 24, 2018, 05:02:27 PM
I agreed with you at the time but looking back now... 'scattergun approach'? Yeah I reckon you could call it that now.

Yep. :-(

That is a full-on head-in-the-sand opinion. Like those ostriches Walsh's pal Nigel Pearson is always talking about.

Safe to say I’ve done a complete 180 on Moshiri since.
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Post by: Toddacelli on January 24, 2018, 05:44:33 PM
Yep. :-(

That is a full-on head-in-the-sand opinion. Like those ostriches Walsh's pal Nigel Pearson is always talking about.

Safe to say I’ve done a complete 180 on Moshiri since.

We just had faith, that's all.

Faith that there was a philosophy, a thinking, a strategy, a plan behind it all.

If there ever was one - it went wrong months ago.
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Post by: bluenuck on January 24, 2018, 11:39:08 PM
https://t.co/rTBRIUvjh8

Guessing he'll be brought in August 29th of this year...
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Post by: Ridge on January 25, 2018, 03:58:20 AM
I think directors of football can be too stubborn in their profile and they often end up paying too much for each player. The manager has to adopt every player as his own and it's easier for both player and manager if they are demonstratively wanted by the manager.

You hear far more success stories associated with head scouts or heads of recruitment than you ever do about sporting directors.

 nod
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Post by: brap2 on January 25, 2018, 06:27:19 AM
If we do get he new guy for me that sounds like money to be spent but in the summer when new man is settled etc.
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Post by: blargins on January 25, 2018, 08:30:29 AM
Apparently rates Klaassen.
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Post by: Ramjam on January 25, 2018, 08:37:38 AM
Apparently rates Klaassen.
So did Koeman so he signed him
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Post by: blargins on January 25, 2018, 10:06:06 AM
So did Koeman so he signed him
Therefore not sure if this is a good thing or not.
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Post by: bluenuck on January 25, 2018, 12:29:25 PM
Therefore not sure if this is a good thing or not.

Cmon. Klassen has talent. the problem is is he never should have been signed for us. Put him in an arsenal team and I bet he looks good.
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Post by: Hawkandro on January 25, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Klaassen should have been understudy to either Sigurdsson or Rooney. We shouldn't have signed both.
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Post by: blargins on January 25, 2018, 05:49:40 PM
Cmon. Klassen has talent. the problem is is he never should have been signed for us. Put him in an arsenal team and I bet he looks good.

I thought he was going to be our new Pienaar but with finishing power.
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Post by: Major Clanger on January 25, 2018, 06:41:07 PM
Apparently rates Klaassen.

Me too.

I rate him a 2 out of 10.
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Post by: brap2 on January 25, 2018, 07:02:47 PM
Got to be better than we’ve seen, klaassen.
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Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 25, 2018, 10:01:43 PM
I thought he was going to be our new Pienaar but with finishing power.
He still could be if given a chance and when we have a bit more confidence
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Post by: blargins on January 25, 2018, 10:19:01 PM
He still could be if given a chance and when we have a bit more confidence

He's not been given a fair go that's for sure. He was supposedly going to be competition for Davis as well.
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Post by: Lincs Toffee on January 25, 2018, 10:22:28 PM
He's not been given a fair go that's for sure. He was supposedly going to be competition for Davis as well.
That says it all then when he cant even get a game
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Post by: everton1952 on January 25, 2018, 10:28:50 PM
There's a player in there somewhere. Where have I read that before?
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Post by: MmmblueBernard on January 26, 2018, 04:51:12 PM
There's a player in there somewhere. Where have I read that before?

Bily, Barkley, Rodwell.....

There’s a midfield link in there.
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Post by: everton1952 on January 26, 2018, 07:11:59 PM
Everyone makes mistakes. But when two great big mistakes are made so close together, i.e. Klassen and Ramirez, the loss to the club, regardless of the transfer fees which might be partly recoverable,  in wages must amount to many tens of thousands every week, month after month. Unless Koeman was the biggest influence in their signings, then Walsh should be sacked for these huge errors. 
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Post by: Macca77 on January 26, 2018, 07:14:29 PM
Do we really need a director of football?
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Post by: Mick 1995 on January 26, 2018, 07:29:15 PM
Do we really need a director of football?

Not if we're going to continue to appoint first team managers as opposed to first team coaches we don't, no.
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Post by: Bluedylan on January 26, 2018, 10:17:47 PM
Apologies for the Daily Racist link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5316957/Everton-target-Marcel-Brands-true-transfer-guru.html
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Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 28, 2018, 05:21:02 PM
We're a bit of a shambles off the field too aren't we?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-criticised-role-bizarre-transfer-14212597.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by: Jimmywhack on January 28, 2018, 06:00:45 PM
Apologies for the Daily Racist link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5316957/Everton-target-Marcel-Brands-true-transfer-guru.html
Dominic King's normally a decent link to the club
Title: Re: Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Goaljira on January 28, 2018, 07:47:08 PM
We're a bit of a shambles off the field too aren't we?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-criticised-role-bizarre-transfer-14212597.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Another reason to sack off the wasteoftime trophy then if it'll limit loan options for the kids that do play.
Title: Re: Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Jamokachi on January 29, 2018, 02:32:20 AM
We're a bit of a shambles off the field too aren't we?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-criticised-role-bizarre-transfer-14212597.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Hardly constitutes a "shambles" does it?
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Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 29, 2018, 02:37:09 AM
Hardly constitutes a "shambles" does it?

A bit fuckin stupid then.
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Post by: Escla on January 29, 2018, 02:40:27 AM
A bit fuckin stupid then.

Think the correct term is “a mistake”
Title: Re: Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 29, 2018, 02:44:29 AM
Think the correct term is “a mistake”

A few of them happening lately.
Title: Re: Director of Football might be appointed...
Post by: Jamokachi on January 29, 2018, 02:47:11 AM
A bit fuckin stupid then.

It just feels like every opportunity to chuck shit at the club is jumped on at the moment, even when it's a bit of a nothing story, like this. Not having a pop at you for posting per-say, it's just pretty tiresome to constantly see.
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Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 29, 2018, 02:50:16 AM
It just feels like every opportunity to chuck shit at the club is jumped on at the moment, even when it's a bit of a nothing story, like this. Not having a pop at you for posting per-say, it's just pretty tiresome to constantly see.

I get what you mean.

I think it's just the way a lot of blues feel at the minute.

A win against Leicester should help.


And I dropped a wardrobe door on my finger before and it's proper killing.
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Post by: Jamokachi on January 29, 2018, 02:54:10 AM
lolol vent away!
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Post by: Tony Clifton on January 29, 2018, 05:58:27 AM
Apologies for the Daily Racist link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5316957/Everton-target-Marcel-Brands-true-transfer-guru.html

Good, sobering read, despite the photo of Walsh looking like a right shifty cat :thumbs: