Post by: Silas on August 13, 2016, 11:45:15 PM
The lad's got something about him, gritty little mad fucker I think he's going to be a proper bargain.
Post by: blargins on August 13, 2016, 11:48:11 PM
Post by: Confucius on August 13, 2016, 11:59:45 PM
Post by: Cozzie on August 14, 2016, 12:04:02 AM
Just a really calm customer, always in the way of things, reckon he will be great for us.
Get someone like Carvalho next to him and we our laughing.
He has the potential to be our player of the season.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 14, 2016, 12:05:20 AM
A definite improvement to our midfield.
Post by: Bluedylan on August 14, 2016, 12:06:37 AM
But yeah, made up with what I saw of the lad.
Post by: Shogun on August 14, 2016, 12:08:56 AM
Post by: Confucius on August 14, 2016, 12:13:04 AM
I wouldn't pair him up with Carvalho. Carvalho's not mobile enough and not good enough on the ball. Gana can be the more defensive DM, and pair him with a playmaker type.
But yeah, made up with what I saw of the lad.
You mean a Witzel?
Post by: Lxxx on August 14, 2016, 12:14:48 AM
Post by: hill135 on August 14, 2016, 12:22:16 AM
He looks like a player who will help the balance of the team and also will help us in our plan(s) to stop the opposition from playing. Insofar as we haven't had a plan like this for two years I reckon he'll be a player the fans will take to and he should stay in the team for now for that reason.
At the very worst he will put some pressure on McCarthy to up his contribution.
Post by: Ell Capitan on August 14, 2016, 02:24:57 AM
It was a great performance but you can see he's not natural on the ball. A few poor touches touches and under hit passes.
Yeah. At 26 you wonder how much better he can get with that.
Today it didn't cause us any issues at all but in future his giving the ball away easy could cost us.
Post by: Escla on August 14, 2016, 02:39:45 AM
Good performance today, did give the ball away a few times though.MOTM for me, tell me a player who doesn't give the ball away a few times during 90 minutes.
A definite improvement to our midfield.
Post by: Ell Capitan on August 14, 2016, 02:41:01 AM
MOTM for me, tell me a player who doesn't give the ball away a few times during 90 minutes.
McCarthy
Post by: TheTone on August 14, 2016, 02:43:08 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 14, 2016, 02:44:24 AM
MOTM for me, tell me a player who doesn't give the ball away a few times during 90 minutes.
Hardly any, which is why I didn't slate him for it. I put him as my MOTM in the ratings thread.
Post by: Heisenberg on August 14, 2016, 02:46:55 AM
I wouldn't pair him up with Carvalho. Carvalho's not mobile enough and not good enough on the ball. Gana can be the more defensive DM, and pair him with a playmaker type.
But yeah, made up with what I saw of the lad.
Gibbo?
Post by: GLewis on August 14, 2016, 02:59:26 AM
Yeah. At 26 you wonder how much better he can get with that.
Today it didn't cause us any issues at all but in future his giving the ball away easy could cost us.
Although of course it's very difficult to play against Spurs.
Post by: Bluedylan on August 14, 2016, 03:02:46 AM
Gibbo?
I'll pass on that one thanks.
Post by: Ell Capitan on August 14, 2016, 03:02:50 AM
Although of course it's very difficult to play against Spurs.
Yeah true. To be fair I'm only going off what I heard from others who have followed him closely before he signed for us about his strengths/weaknesses. So I've gone into the game looking out for how good he was on the ball and some of what he did seemed to confirm what I've heard. Definitely happy to be proven wrong though.
Post by: Major Clanger on August 14, 2016, 03:08:51 AM
Again conclusions should be tentative as three years ago we were all pulling ourselves to ecstasy over James McCarthy.
Almost all of us. :)
Post by: brap2 on August 14, 2016, 03:17:40 AM
Although of course it's very difficult to play against Spurs.
I also don't think it will be as big a problem under Koeman than it was at villa or under rm would have been.
He'll have better players around him than he had at villa, surrounded by a bunch of drowning rats who by all accounts didn't step up.
Early signs under Koeman are that we look very well organised but with lots of movement up top.
He should have plenty of options if ever caught short in possession.
Post by: TSGun on August 14, 2016, 03:18:22 AM
Having now watched him I'm really happy with what I saw. Seems perfect for the role he's needed for. Bargain.
Post by: bornblue88 on August 14, 2016, 03:39:47 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on August 14, 2016, 03:59:38 AM
Post by: blueski on August 14, 2016, 04:00:52 AM
have to admit there were a few times where I groaned thinking he was going to give it up but then came some type of slightly awkward but clever side foot flick and its right off to the next man
he had a few suprisingly good weighted balls forward that set up attacks as well.
one game doesn't make a player but seems like we got a good one so far in this one
Post by: Confucius on August 14, 2016, 04:03:29 AM
Reminded me of Pienaar.
How and why?
Please explain. Cos he is small and non-white. nothing about him was at all like Pienaar.
Post by: Brownie20 on August 14, 2016, 04:03:52 AM
Post by: Confucius on August 14, 2016, 04:04:49 AM
Reminded me of Olivier Dacourt in his size and his tenacity. Had a real go at everyone. He's going to be a crowd favourite if he carries on like thatYeah, i get that. Real little terrier and reads the game really well.
Post by: Shogun on August 14, 2016, 04:07:04 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on August 14, 2016, 04:12:38 AM
Post by: Alanvideo on August 14, 2016, 04:15:59 AM
How and why?............why bring race into it ?
Please explain. Cos he is small and non-white. nothing about him was at all like Pienaar.
were you at the game ?
I din't say he plays the Pienaar role.
He reminds me of Pienaar because he doesn't shirk a tackle ,he has a little nasty streak ,he can pick a pass and link up play ,he is competitive. Is that enough ?
Post by: brap2 on August 14, 2016, 04:20:34 AM
How and why?
Please explain. Cos he is small and non-white. nothing about him was at all like Pienaar.
He used his body well.
Post by: Brownie20 on August 14, 2016, 04:25:08 AM
Just seen his MotM interview on the OS. Buzzing for the little fella. Could end up being a bit of a cult hero for us.
Well I got an away shirt with his name and number on it. Love him already
Post by: charlatan on August 14, 2016, 04:27:27 AM
Reminded me of Olivier Dacourt in his size and his tenacity. Had a real go at everyone. He's going to be a crowd favourite if he carries on like that
What a player he was. Was gutted when he left the next summer
Post by: Brownie20 on August 14, 2016, 04:28:23 AM
What a player he was. Was gutted when he left the next summer
Me too. And then he ended up at Leeds
Post by: Ross on August 14, 2016, 06:06:26 AM
Post by: Ross on August 14, 2016, 06:08:51 AM
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 14, 2016, 06:09:20 AM
Reminds me of Shane Duffy
You racist piece of garbage.
Post by: brap2 on August 14, 2016, 07:49:00 AM
"He's there to tackle, win balls and be energetic in the midfield [sic] maybe the cleverness on the ball - that's for Barry."
So basically, the role we should expect from Gueye is pure sweeper, disrupt the opposition play and give the ball to Gareth Barry as soon as possible.
Sounds be like he agrees with your assessment @Bluedylan (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3747) - Gueye will always be partnered with a baller.
Post by: carolinablue on August 14, 2016, 08:44:35 AM
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 14, 2016, 08:52:21 AM
Post by: blargins on August 14, 2016, 09:08:23 AM
Reminds me of wee Jimmy Krankie.Racist
Post by: efcforlife on August 14, 2016, 02:36:37 PM
The response to his performance on here says a lot about how desperate Martinez left us.
Putting your foot in and being competitive should be a given.
Post by: GLewis on August 14, 2016, 03:08:03 PM
He was good yesterday but nothing more, and will have to improve if he's going to be what we need going forward.(for the future)
The response to his performance on here says a lot about how desperate Martinez left us.
Putting your foot in and being competitive should be a given.
It's not just that.
Being in the right place to make tackles / interceptions isn't just a case of wanting to stick your foot in.
He's clearly been bought as someone to do that and to then give it to the better technical players.
There have been lots of successful sides over the years who have done this.
Post by: Redartin on August 14, 2016, 03:34:08 PM
He stood out cause he was the only one who played for Villa last season.
Post by: Macca77 on August 14, 2016, 03:40:29 PM
Post by: Lxxx on August 14, 2016, 05:49:30 PM
How and why?
Please explain. Cos he is small and non-white. nothing about him was at all like Pienaar.
Really? Do we have to go through this every other week?
Post by: efcforlife on August 14, 2016, 06:00:07 PM
It's not just that.
Being in the right place to make tackles / interceptions isn't just a case of wanting to stick your foot in.
He's clearly been bought as someone to do that and to then give it to the better technical players.
There have been lots of successful sides over the years who have done this.
I'm well aware of what he's been bought for.
I just believe there is better out there at the same game. People who bring more ability with the ball.
It is what it is for me. Hopefully he develops into more and so far it's positive from him.
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 14, 2016, 06:06:27 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on August 14, 2016, 06:11:18 PM
Idrissa and I share the exact same date of birth. What a great person he is turning out to be!
Brother from another mother.
Post by: Heisenberg on August 14, 2016, 06:59:40 PM
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 14, 2016, 07:03:45 PM
Brother from another mother.Racist. Haha
Post by: brap2 on August 14, 2016, 07:23:59 PM
I'm well aware of what he's been bought for.
I just believe there is better out there at the same game. People who bring more ability with the ball.
It is what it is for me. Hopefully he develops into more and so far it's positive from him.
Quite surprised anyone can complain about him so far, for the price we played and the game he's just had...
Post by: Confucius on August 14, 2016, 08:50:28 PM
Really? Do we have to go through this every other week?
Absolutely, it might be ok with you or get boring when people are just a little racist.
It isn't with me. It's frankly disgusting.
Post by: 74Blue on August 14, 2016, 09:51:35 PM
I'm quite happy with this particular signing. He looks to be exactly what we wanted James McCarthy to be, an out and out destroyer.
Post by: ForzaItalia on August 14, 2016, 09:58:37 PM
Absolutely, it might be ok with you or get boring when people are just a little racist.
It isn't with me. It's frankly disgusting.
That must be nearly every thread now Con.
Post by: GLewis on August 14, 2016, 10:21:52 PM
I'm well aware of what he's been bought for.
I just believe there is better out there at the same game. People who bring more ability with the ball.
It is what it is for me. Hopefully he develops into more and so far it's positive from him.
Players who do that and are good on the ball cost way more than £7m.
Post by: blueski on August 14, 2016, 10:36:34 PM
Post by: Gash on August 15, 2016, 01:14:08 AM
Absolutely, it might be ok with you or get boring when people are just a little racist.
It isn't with me. It's frankly disgusting.
There's a report to moderator button, use that if you think someone's being racist and we'll collectively look at it rather than accusing people of racism all the time.
Post by: TheTone on August 15, 2016, 01:36:28 AM
Post by: Silas on August 15, 2016, 01:40:02 AM
Post by: Sir Stealth on August 15, 2016, 01:48:08 AM
Mad when we were first linked to signing him quite a few writing him off despite his amazing stats cos of how poorly villa did
Cos it's dead easy to absoloutely boss a midfield for the team with the worst defence behind you and the worst attack in front of you with toxic atmosphere at games, clueless managers at a total circus of a club!
Go ed Izzy lad
Post by: Major Clanger on August 15, 2016, 01:58:16 AM
He reminds me of Eddie Izzard because he has legs and arms. I have no clue what we are doing here.
And he looks like he could run 50 marathons in 50 days.
Post by: Brownie20 on August 15, 2016, 02:00:53 AM
Post by: Cassius on August 15, 2016, 03:39:48 AM
Makes me wonder whether we should give some of the Martinez boo boys (I'm looking you square in the face right now, James McCarthy) a bit of leeway to see whether they perform better with a management team that values fitness, tactics and training.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 15, 2016, 03:41:36 AM
Post by: The Analog Kid on August 15, 2016, 04:14:43 AM
Any Makelele shouts yet?
Nah, dont want him, too old.
Post by: Bluedylan on August 15, 2016, 04:37:17 AM
Post by: Gash on August 15, 2016, 05:18:35 AM
Reminds me of wee Jimmy Krankie.
We've signed Nicola Sturgeon?
Post by: Confucius on August 15, 2016, 07:07:08 AM
That must be nearly every thread now Con.
So just let be cos everyone's doing it?
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 15, 2016, 07:10:44 AM
So just let be cos everyone's doing it?
no one IS doing it though. You are seeing things that arent there.
Post by: cantoffee on August 15, 2016, 07:30:04 AM
no one IS doing it though. You are seeing things that arent there.To be fair, in what world does Gana remind someone of Pienaar? They have none of the same skills, they are both short and black - only thing even close to being similar.
Post by: Confucius on August 15, 2016, 08:26:42 AM
no one IS doing it though. You are seeing things that arent there.
Ok.... If you say so.
Post by: blargins on August 15, 2016, 09:21:32 AM
Nah, dont want him, too old.Ageist.
Post by: blargins on August 15, 2016, 09:23:11 AM
To be fair, in what world does Gana remind someone of Pienaar? They have none of the same skills, they are both short and black - only thing even close to being similar.Small and tenacious in the tackle.
I guess he could gave compared him to Leon osman, but Leon wasn't a good tackler. He was short though.
Post by: Jamokachi on August 15, 2016, 10:46:05 AM
Interesting that Villa fans didn't rate Gueye boy
Many did
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 15, 2016, 02:04:40 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 15, 2016, 02:59:18 PM
Love the fact he was playing in black boots.
Me too, i'm a bit disappointed Ross didn't continue from pre-season in his black boots, Ithink they look great...black is the new bright yellow!
Post by: hill135 on August 15, 2016, 03:47:33 PM
I wonder if his appearance at right wing back suggests McCarthy is going to be a utility man for the new manager.
Post by: Major Clanger on August 15, 2016, 04:02:04 PM
Love the fact he was playing in black boots.
Racist!
Post by: Cozzie on August 15, 2016, 04:13:34 PM
Post by: Lxxx on August 15, 2016, 05:11:52 PM
reading between the lines of Ron's post-match comments I think Gueye is going to be his go-to man in midfield next to Barry, ahead of McCarthy. Fair enough. He deserves to stay in the team after that showing.
I wonder if his appearance at right wing back suggests McCarthy is going to be a utility man for the new manager.
I've said for a while I think McCarthy's best position is probably right back. He's sound defensively with jockeying his man and tackling and under Koeman he won't be encouraged to get forward as much as under Martinez. That's not to say he's better than Coleman but I think he could do a job if needed.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 15, 2016, 06:17:41 PM
Never cross streams.
Post by: blargins on August 15, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
McCarthy at right back is as bonkers as playing Baines in defensive midfield.
Never cross streams.
Not so sure. I remember Snodin reverting to right back and did very well. It's the easiest position on the pitch.
Post by: Lxxx on August 15, 2016, 06:21:22 PM
McCarthy at right back is as bonkers as playing Baines in defensive midfield.
Never cross streams.
Nothing like it.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 15, 2016, 06:22:15 PM
Not so sure. I remember Snodin reverting to right back and did very well. It's the easiest position on the pitch.
Our fullbacks are all about getting forward and joining with attacks. McCarthy gets a nosebleed if he crosses the halfway line.
Post by: Lxxx on August 15, 2016, 06:38:18 PM
Our fullbacks WERE all about getting forward and joining with attacks. McCarthy gets a nosebleed if he crosses the halfway line.
Fixed.
Post by: Cuttyblue on August 15, 2016, 06:38:29 PM
And by the way, every one of you are horrible racists except me.
I'll do some more 21st century virtue signaling later.
Post by: van der Meyde on August 15, 2016, 07:30:49 PM
To be fair, in what world does Gana remind someone of Pienaar? They have none of the same skills, they are both short and black - only thing even close to being similar.The way Gueye would position his body to win the ball, essentially coming round the side and sticking his arse into the opponent, was similar to how Pienaar and Arteta (and Barry) would win the ball and get free kicks.
Arteta and Barry might be a better comparison due to his position, but his industry and work rate was definitely most similar to Pienaar's in recent years.
Post by: minty on August 15, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
Our fullbacks are all about getting forward and joining with attacks. McCarthy gets a nosebleed if he crosses the halfway line.
I like that (almost) everyone slaughters Martinez as an awful manager but then suggests we play with almost the exact same style/shape/personnel (just swapping Gueye and McCarthy)
Post by: Lxxx on August 15, 2016, 08:04:10 PM
I like that (almost) everyone slaughters Martinez as an awful manager but then suggests we play with almost the exact same style/shape/personnel (just swapping Gueye and McCarthy)
What's your point?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 15, 2016, 10:29:04 PM
I like that (almost) everyone slaughters Martinez as an awful manager but then suggests we play with almost the exact same style/shape/personnel (just swapping Gueye and McCarthy)
Eh?
Other managers use full backs in an attacking sense. It not exactly something Martinez pioneered.
Post by: minty on August 15, 2016, 10:57:50 PM
Eh?
Other managers use full backs in an attacking sense. It not exactly something Martinez pioneered.
Yes and Leicester showed that it's not mandatory.
Post by: Cozzie on August 15, 2016, 11:23:14 PM
I like that (almost) everyone slaughters Martinez as an awful manager but then suggests we play with almost the exact same style/shape/personnel (just swapping Gueye and McCarthy)
Except Martinez didn't bother telling the players to press, or bother trying to defend set pieces.
You can still play the same shape but not do the basics, that is where we lacked under Martinez.
Post by: boothill on August 16, 2016, 04:57:05 AM
Not so sure. I remember Snodin reverting to right back and did very well. It's the easiest position on the pitch.yeah, he was picked for England duty because of his performances at right back then got an injury and was out for quite a while,dont think he got a call up again
Post by: 74Blue on August 18, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
Post by: nomorechang on August 18, 2016, 03:03:41 PM
Post by: pjk on August 18, 2016, 03:16:17 PM
I think having him in the team will bring the best out off Ross Barkley and in turn Lukaku and Deleofeu will benefit.
Hello mate. :)
Post by: Bally on August 18, 2016, 08:35:41 PM
I think having him in the team will bring the best out off Ross Barkley and in turn Lukaku and Deleofeu will benefit.Fucking hell first Blob makes a return then NmC pops in, this is a very good start to the season, welcome back old friend
Post by: pjk on August 18, 2016, 10:10:08 PM
Fucking hell first Blob makes a return then NmC pops in, this is a very good start to the season, welcome back old friend
I didn't know that. That's fucking excellent news. ;D
Post by: brap2 on August 18, 2016, 10:24:10 PM
If he's going to be used as a destroyer, just in front of the back four, his distribution doesn't necessarily have to be anything special. His primary job is to screen the defence, neutralise opposition attacks and put us back on the front foot. If he throws a tackle in, wins the ball and then gives it straight to the nearest team-mate, moving back into space to receive it back if need be, it's more or less job done. He doesn't have to spray accurate 30/40 yard passes all over the pitch all game, a simple 4/5 yard pass will suffice.
i absolutely agree like - but isn't this what james mccarthy does?
OK gana seems to be a better tackler / closing down but nobody ever questioned McCarthy's legs or tackling, it's what he can do on the ball.
So when we're dominating a game, but drawing 0-0 and gana plays a couple of these 4 yarders back and forth - i hope we're patient enough to understand different players have different jobs.
failing that I hope we lash bolassie on and win 4-3
Post by: 74Blue on August 18, 2016, 10:54:21 PM
i absolutely he'sree like - but isn't this what james mccarthy does?James McCarthy has not improved at all in the three years he has been here. If anything, he's actually regressed.
OK gana seems to be a better tackler / closing down but nobody ever questioned McCarthy's legs or tackling, it's what he can do on the ball.
So when we're dominating a game, but drawing 0-0 and gana plays a couple of these 4 yarders back and forth - i hope we're patient enough to understand different players have different jobs.
failing that I hope we lash bolassie on and win 4-3
Post by: sam of the south on August 18, 2016, 11:33:17 PM
Brother from another mother.
Uh-ohh 😳....
Post by: sam of the south on August 18, 2016, 11:34:36 PM
Fucking hell first Blob makes a return then NmC pops in, this is a very good start to the season, welcome back old friend
Wow, really?
Post by: brap2 on August 18, 2016, 11:43:27 PM
James McCarthy has not improved at all in the three years he has been here. If anything, he's actually regressed.
that's a different argument I think.
My point is -
When we're dominating a game, and there's no one to tackle, we should be wary of the James "does nothing" MCarthy syndrome.
But as I say above hopefully Ronald is building a squad with viable plan B's!
Post by: nomorechang on August 19, 2016, 11:08:07 AM
Fucking hell first Blob makes a return then NmC pops in, this is a very good start to the season, welcome back old friend
Thanks mate.... I spent nearly 5 months in hospital ... nothing really serious, just bloody infections which meant i was attatched to a mid line to put loads of antibiotics into me.. I also had a large cyst on my kidney and a few stones ss well then i hsd 6 weeks in a ward called Aintree to home .. but right now im fine
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I didn't know that. That's fucking excellent news. ;D
Post by: ally2 on August 28, 2016, 02:30:39 AM
Post by: hill135 on August 28, 2016, 02:34:56 AM
Post by: ally2 on August 28, 2016, 02:35:28 AM
Post by: GLewis on August 28, 2016, 02:43:48 AM
What was his performance like today then lids?
He's got a magnetic attraction to the ball.
Just pops up everywhere.
Looked to get forward too.
Post by: bornblue88 on August 28, 2016, 02:44:37 AM
Post by: Risky on August 28, 2016, 02:48:32 AM
He also seems to play with a smile on his face too which is good to see. I can imagine him being a very infectious character to have as a team mate and I really like what we've seen so far.
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2016, 02:50:13 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 28, 2016, 02:55:37 AM
Wouldn't sell him for 30m with what I've seen. Honestly (and yes it's early days) think he may turn out to be worldclass. He just wins the ball more than a player should.
Our transfer business as a whole has been fantastic. We wanted more but the 4 we got 42m is brilliant work
Post by: ally2 on August 28, 2016, 02:56:18 AM
Post by: hill135 on August 28, 2016, 02:57:54 AM
91 percent pass completion from 67 passes
Two key passes
Two successful take ons
Six tackles
One interception
He gets involved alright.
Post by: Ari on August 28, 2016, 03:00:44 AM
Post by: Goaljira on August 28, 2016, 03:07:51 AM
Just looked up the stats:No way he only had one interception?
91 percent pass completion from 67 passes
Two key passes
Two successful take ons
Six tackles
One interception
He gets involved alright.
Post by: GLewis on August 28, 2016, 03:12:36 AM
No way he only had one interception?
Might only count if you control the ball yourself.
Can remember at least a handful of occasions where he's got a toe on the ball and caused them to lose the ball.
Post by: School of Science on August 28, 2016, 03:20:44 AM
I am really blown away how good this lad is. I know we do go over the top sometimes but..genuine question..is he our best player?
I can see the similarities to Kante, the lad is brilliant, what a find.
Post by: montanatoffeefan on August 28, 2016, 03:30:04 AM
No you fuck off!
The lad's got something about him, gritty little mad fucker I think he's going to be a proper bargain.
Props for coming out so early and emphatically on this. Not to mention for getting it right.
Post by: Rhys on August 28, 2016, 03:30:57 AM
But brilliant first 4 games for him I do like how he uses the ball very well when he wins it back he knows when to play safe, he knows when to give it to better players and when there isn't something on he isn't afraid to try and hard forward pass. If it's tight he can take people on and he isn't half brave. He won some headers today where it looked like he was in for a sure whalloping but didn't hinder his commitment.
He doesn't slow down, he keeps pressing, he keeps tackling, he keeps passing and he keeps getting forward when he needs to and the level is the same in the first minute and the last minute.
On a wider note his pressing is great but it's really good to see the opposition under pressure constantly in our half there is barely any times when they have an easy life or settled on the ball.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 28, 2016, 03:31:22 AM
Crunch time for a certain Irish fella.
Settle for a squad place or move on. He's no longer 1st choice partner for Barry.
Post by: van der Meyde on August 28, 2016, 03:44:09 AM
At one point in the second half that when the ball was by their penalty box that he was hovering just in front of the centre circle, then quickly dropped back once it became clear they were going to launch the ball.
Was this something that was happening all game?
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2016, 03:46:05 AM
On a wider note his pressing is great but it's really good to see the opposition under pressure constantly in our half there is barely any times when they have an easy life or settled on the ball.
It was only the last 10 minutes or so, when we went to the three at the back that we stopped putting pressure on them in wide areas, and they could look up and pick out crosses, which ties in with what GLewis was saying earlier about his concerns with the back 3 switch.
Post by: GLewis on August 28, 2016, 03:48:08 AM
He always seems to be in the right place. I really can't work out how much of that is due to positioning or if he's just really quick.
At one point in the second half that when the ball was by their penalty box that he was hovering just in front of the centre circle, then quickly dropped back once it became clear they were going to launch the ball.
Was this something that was happening all game?
Yeah he seems to just appear.
I think he's always looking around to see where the opposition are but also reads the game really well.
Plus point for him is that he's able to change direction really quickly.
Also being small he doesn't look like he's clumsily fouling the player on the ball. He's able to battle away without giving cheap free kicks.
It might only be a couple of seconds but these delays really help us get in shape.
Post by: van der Meyde on August 28, 2016, 03:58:03 AM
Also being small he doesn't look like he's clumsily fouling the player on the ball. He's able to battle away without giving cheap free kicks.Said exactly the same to my dad.
It might only be a couple of seconds but these delays really help us get in shape.
I haven't been overly worried about deep crosses coming into the box because the defensive line has usually been organised and set. I suspect the hassling played a role in that.
Post by: Ell Capitan on August 28, 2016, 06:58:11 AM
Post by: GLewis on August 28, 2016, 12:05:10 PM
Early days as others have said, but so far confirmation if it were needed that Villa fans are fucking morons. Most were happy to see him go!
To be fair if he played in the same style that he does for us but without other players backing him up or being generally compact, he'd often have left massive gaps in behind him which of the ball was worked around him would be easy to expose.
Given how useless Villa were I can see that could have happened quite a lot!
Post by: efcforlife on August 28, 2016, 04:54:00 PM
Early days as others have said, but so far confirmation if it were needed that Villa fans are fucking morons. Most were happy to see him go!
If you hadn't wrote "so far" that would of been the most ironic statement I have ever read.
He has played a few games, who is more qualified to access him? You or the villa fans?
The lad is doing well but I've seen proof of everything the villa fans accused him off.
Time will tell but what a positive start from the lad
Post by: Silas on August 28, 2016, 04:56:10 PM
Props for coming out so early and emphatically on this. Not to mention for getting it right.
Throw enough shit and some of it sticks
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 28, 2016, 05:31:17 PM
If you hadn't wrote "so far" that would of been the most ironic statement I have ever read.
He has played a few games, who is more qualified to access him? You or the villa fans?
The lad is doing well but I've seen proof of everything the villa fans accused him off.
Time will tell but what a positive start from the lad
Proof of what? Early days but I don't give a shit. He's worldclass at what he does. I'd decided after the friendly (was it against Betis) it's not any individual thing. He just wins the ball more often than seems normal.
He's a great player
Post by: Ross on August 28, 2016, 05:35:01 PM
Post by: TheRam on August 28, 2016, 05:39:02 PM
He's played very well and does look like he can be a great player for us, but again, lets calm it a tad.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 28, 2016, 05:40:32 PM
Fuck me people going full on Kopite with some of these posts in here and the Holgate thread.
I think he's a great player. I don't often join in. I'm normally very negative about most of them.
I've seen him play 4 times and he wins the ball as if there's 2 of him, he links play well, he runs with it well (all be it he's been caught on it a couple of times) I don't think all our players are great. I've suggested we sell all of them probably. This lad though is absolutely top draw. He's a class act. Well assuming this isn't some sort of miracle form (which last years stats suggest it isn't)
Post by: 74Blue on August 28, 2016, 07:54:41 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on August 29, 2016, 10:12:48 AM
Idrissa Gueye's touch maps in the 2016/17 Premier League. #EFC pic.twitter.com/tF4dRZsOEM
— EFC Statto (@EFC_Statto) August 28, 2016
Post by: howard1334 on August 29, 2016, 10:42:04 AM
Idrissa Gueye's touch maps in the 2016/17 Premier League. #EFC pic.twitter.com/tF4dRZsOEM
— EFC Statto (@EFC_Statto) August 28, 2016
How is it even possible that those touches are so evenly distributed across the field. Does he not understand what CM stands for!
Post by: Goaljira on August 29, 2016, 12:18:49 PM
How is it even possible that those touches are so evenly distributed across the field. Does he not understand what CM stands for!
He's positionally undisciplined ;)
Post by: Brownie20 on August 29, 2016, 01:07:55 PM
He's positionally undisciplined ;)
Waste of £7m. Get rid!
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 29, 2016, 02:20:19 PM
How is it even possible that those touches are so evenly distributed across the field. Does he not understand what CM stands for!
Interesting point. I'd like to think against better teams his heat map is more compact as better players will exploit the space he leaves.
Post by: howard1334 on August 29, 2016, 03:04:49 PM
Interesting point. I'd like to think against better teams his heat map is more compact as better players will exploit the space he leaves.
I was not really serious when I said that (should have added a smiley face or something). But perhaps it might be a concern against the best. Does not seem to have been so far. He has been excellent.
Post by: dekko on August 29, 2016, 03:08:30 PM
He's been amazing so far!!!
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 29, 2016, 03:24:00 PM
I was not really serious when I said that (should have added a smiley face or something). But perhaps it might be a concern against the best. Does not seem to have been so far. He has been excellent.
I know you were joking pal but I do think it shows he could be a little more compact and efficient with his energy. Look at Barry for instance.
Post by: Lxxx on August 29, 2016, 04:39:52 PM
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 29, 2016, 04:49:20 PM
Four games.
I see counting is your strong point.
Bravo.
Post by: Goaljira on August 29, 2016, 04:58:44 PM
I see counting is your strong point.
Bravo.
Spurs
WBA
Yeovil
Stoke?
Post by: Lxxx on August 29, 2016, 05:43:32 PM
I see counting is your strong point.
Bravo.
Well we do go a bit kopite on here at times with going overboard about players. He may well prove to be great but some of the shouts are a bit OTT.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 29, 2016, 07:47:38 PM
Well we do go a bit kopite on here at times with going overboard about players. He may well prove to be great but some of the shouts are a bit OTT.
Are they? On him? Been great every game. His stats were great last season. It's a reasonable assumption he might be great.
Someone like deulofeu who to be frank is largely shit is still talked about on here like he's a star. Lukaku who is shite 20 times a season is the complete striker
This lad will for me prove to be comfortably our best player. He's great. Not great once in 5 so you could make a good YouTube video. He's a top player
He's a normal persons phenomenal
Post by: Cozzie on September 13, 2016, 07:29:14 AM
Post by: Cozzie on September 13, 2016, 07:29:21 AM
Post by: Chrisknms on September 13, 2016, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: blargins on September 13, 2016, 02:07:41 PM
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on September 13, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
Such a gem of a player.
Absolute warrior from box to box.
Post by: blue slug on September 13, 2016, 03:14:07 PM
Post by: Lxxx on September 13, 2016, 03:52:48 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 13, 2016, 04:06:29 PM
If Walsh does nothing else he's proved his worth by this gem of a signing.
Didn't he sign before Walsh was brought in?
Post by: Danny on September 13, 2016, 04:08:05 PM
Well we do go a bit kopite on here at times with going overboard about players. He may well prove to be great but some of the shouts are a bit OTT.
I get what you're saying but i'd honestly be happy if he ended up dropping down 2 steps every week (as in a 9 to a 7) he's been insane so far.
Post by: Macca77 on September 13, 2016, 04:24:42 PM
Post by: blue slug on September 13, 2016, 04:25:08 PM
Post by: ally2 on September 13, 2016, 05:10:01 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on September 13, 2016, 06:08:59 PM
He's a proper player isn't he, all over the pitch, nothing fancy just wins the ball and finds a simple pass
I think yesterday he showed another side of his game, he was doing much more than the simple pass and was dictating play at times.
He looked much more than just a 'destroyer' yesterday
Post by: jay_2k on September 13, 2016, 06:20:19 PM
Post by: blargins on September 13, 2016, 06:24:15 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 13, 2016, 06:52:09 PM
It's amazing he's so small as well. Or appears to be. Looks like a child compared to Lukaku, and you don't think of an enforcer in such a way, normally you think big and dominant.
Yet he is as brave as brave can be in making a challenge. Just like how amazing someone of Bolasie's size can be so catlike quick.
Post by: Trowel on September 13, 2016, 07:14:06 PM
Didn't he sign before Walsh was brought in?Walsh signed on 21st July, and Di Matteo said we triggered Gueye's release on 29th July. Pretty sure we were alreadu linked with him before Walsh was confirmed, but the Echo ran a piece saying that Walsh gave Koeman the push to seal the deal which seems likely:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/how-everton-new-man-steve-11696160
The Mail have a piece today crediting Walsh with Gueye's signing also:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3787115/Idrissa-Gueye-cost-Everton-7m-Leicester-wanted-signed-N-Golo-Kante-Steve-Walsh-unearthed-diamond.html
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 13, 2016, 07:33:44 PM
Post by: Thomas on September 13, 2016, 07:49:36 PM
Post by: Heisenberg on September 13, 2016, 07:52:12 PM
Post by: blargins on September 13, 2016, 08:25:35 PM
Worrying about the africa cup of nations already
Did Senegal qualify?
Post by: Lxxx on September 13, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
Worrying about the africa cup of nations already
I know. No Niasse for a month.
Post by: sirblue57 on September 13, 2016, 11:46:19 PM
I know. No Niasse for a month.
cunt, just laughed so hard made the Mrs jump. now she wants to talk......you bastard :headbang:
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 14, 2016, 06:55:49 PM
Interesting little article
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 14, 2016, 06:58:41 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on September 15, 2016, 07:35:30 PM
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/6PO9aIBjP0W4vV9Na-PJMw/Show/Gueye-a-Vital-Cog-in-Evertons-Unbeaten-Machine
Some of the highlights being:
- Most tackles in the Prem so far (23, 4 more than the next player)
- His total passes have increased markedly each game (38, 54, 65, 106)
- Remarkably, his passing accuracy has increased significantly, the more passes he's made (81.6%, 88.9%, 90.8%, 95.3%)
- Key passes have also gone up each game (0, 1, 2, 3)
- 120 touches in the Sunderland game was the second highest by any player in the Prem this season, in a single game.
Post by: kramer0 on September 15, 2016, 07:59:17 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on September 15, 2016, 08:14:31 PM
This is only tangentially related to the thread topic but... have Cleverley and Gibson picked up knocks in training or is Tom Davies just straight-up beating them out for a spot in the matchday squad?
Big Ronald just said Cleverley is fit, but didn't make the 18 on Monday, so Davies is ahead of him. Dunno about Gibson, but I'd like to think the same.
Post by: GLewis on September 15, 2016, 08:16:32 PM
I suppose re Davies vs Cleverley we needed a more defensively minded CM option with no McCarthy.
Post by: minty on September 15, 2016, 08:39:31 PM
Really good piece on Gana, with some statistical analysis of what he brings:
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/6PO9aIBjP0W4vV9Na-PJMw/Show/Gueye-a-Vital-Cog-in-Evertons-Unbeaten-Machine
Some of the highlights being:
- Most tackles in the Prem so far (23, 4 more than the next player)
- His total passes have increased markedly each game (38, 54, 65, 106)
- Remarkably, his passing accuracy has increased significantly, the more passes he's made (81.6%, 88.9%, 90.8%, 95.3%)
- Key passes have also gone up each game (0, 1, 2, 3)
- 120 touches in the Sunderland game was the second highest by any player in the Prem this season, in a single game.
Koeman obviously saw something positive in training. It was more like last season with Barry very deep , even dropping into a back three at times which allowed Gana to get further forward. In previous games they were either both sitting just in front of back 4 or Gana was the deeper of the two.
Post by: hill135 on September 15, 2016, 08:43:49 PM
Post by: Lxxx on September 15, 2016, 09:02:28 PM
Post by: blue slug on September 15, 2016, 09:21:54 PM
Post by: Toffee_4_Life on September 15, 2016, 09:41:09 PM
its a bonus that if he loses the ball trying something he wins it back pretty much straight away
Bet he does it on purpose to inflate those tackling stats ;)
Post by: Major Clanger on September 15, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
So with that trajectory we can expect him to make 38 key passes on the last day of the season :smug:
The numbers don't lie.
Post by: Goaljira on September 15, 2016, 11:57:25 PM
So with that trajectory we can expect him to make 38 key passes on the last day of the season :smug:37. He had 0 in the first game.
Post by: Gash on September 15, 2016, 11:59:28 PM
Mind, he did then say that Milner is their best central midfielder so it's no surprise he knows fuck all about other clubs squads. :eh:
Post by: blue1948 on September 16, 2016, 01:31:40 AM
A kopite in work today told me we've a good squad but deperately need a central midfielder, like a Kante type player. :snigger:Just got to ask where you work ! Rainhill ?????
Mind, he did then say that Milner is their best central midfielder so it's no surprise he knows fuck all about other clubs squads. :eh:
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on September 16, 2016, 02:00:40 AM
Just got to ask where you work ! Rainhill ?????
Rampton secure hospital.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 16, 2016, 02:06:53 AM
Post by: efcforlife on September 16, 2016, 02:23:32 AM
Post by: Shogun on September 16, 2016, 02:33:45 AM
He's the shitAgreed
Post by: blargins on September 16, 2016, 03:35:08 AM
He's shit
You want this thread:
http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=50072.0
Post by: efcforlife on September 16, 2016, 03:47:28 AM
You want this thread:
http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=50072.0
I'm not going back in there, I caused murder last time I was in there
Post by: TheRam on September 16, 2016, 03:48:45 AM
I'm not going back in there, I caused murder last time I was in there
That doesn't sound like you.
Post by: efcforlife on September 16, 2016, 03:49:27 AM
Amongst many other things one thing that I'm really excited about is that he seems the kind of player that even on an off day will still put in a decent performance.
So determined, deceptively strong, and my god he can play aswell.
Well played to the lad
Post by: blargins on September 16, 2016, 04:08:35 AM
I'm not going back in there, I caused murder last time I was in thereMakes the forum more interesting at least.
Post by: howard1334 on September 16, 2016, 04:12:43 AM
Bet he does it on purpose to inflate those tackling stats ;)
NBA players have actually intentionally missed layups so that they could get there own rebounds and inflate their stats.
Post by: blue1948 on September 16, 2016, 10:28:33 PM
NBA players have actually intentionally missed layups so that they could get there own rebounds and inflate there stats.
Boring even if I knew what it meant
Post by: Bluedylan on September 17, 2016, 05:27:39 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/711293/Everton-Idrissa-Gueye-N-Golo-Kante-Premier-League-Ronald-Koeman
Quote
NO ONE would have clocked the pair sat on the flight from Paris to Birmingham Idrissa Gueye and N’Golo Kante chatted together, wished each other luck and, after touching down to embark upon a new life in the Premier League, headed off in very different directions.
Gueye smiles as he relives their encounter last summer and sees merit, rather than any embarrassment, in revisiting a story that would end with a championship for his friend and the Championship for him.
“I was on my way to Aston Villa and he was on his way to Leicester,” said the midfielder.
“If you looked at the two clubs at the start of last season you would probably have said Villa are a bigger club and would have had a better season.
“But it shows how things move quickly in football. Football is full of destiny and every player has his own path to follow.
“I was pleased for Leicester, and it was great for N’Golo that they won the league. It was different for me, but mentally I have improved.
“It has made me stronger and better.”
A year on and, to some extent, their symmetry has reconfigured.
Following Kante’s move to Chelsea, Gueye switched to Everton where his immediate impact is serving to reward the faith they showed in scratching beneath the surface of what was a harrowing campaign for everyone involved at Villa.
Gueye’s personal statistics proved better than the team, a point recognised by Everton’s new director of football, Steve Walsh, who having been credited with taking Kante to Leicester now pushed for the £7.1m signing of the 26-year-old.
The Senegal international has brought intelligence in reading the game, tenacity and work-rate to Ronald Koeman’s side. There has been craft, too, as he supplied the deft cross which teed up Romelu Lukaku for the first of his three goals in Monday’s victory over Sunderland, a victory which garnered a third success in four games.
That number is significant.
“We only managed to pick up three victories all season with Villa,” said Gueye, who was second only to Kante for interceptions (156 plays 140) and tackles (125 versus 108) last term.
“But the one real source of motivation was that the fans would appreciate you if they felt you put effort in and worked hard and did your best. So that is what I tried to do.
“The fans at Everton are like that. They live for the club. Maybe I am exaggerating by saying they would rather spend their money on going to the match than eating, but it is that feeling. They are willing to die for the colours almost, so it is your absolute duty to perform to your best level.
“It didn’t turn out well at Villa. Unfortunately the team went down but now, turning a page on that, Everton saw something in my game and in my qualities. Now it is all about trying to pay them back.
“I am grateful in the confidence they showed me and I want to pay that back by working hard throughout the season and give it my best and learning all the time.
“I’m pleased with how the season has started. It has almost been like an automatic understanding with the players.
“After the last game Yannick (Bolasie) was talking about when he needs the ball to feet, and I am learning that when he makes a specific movement he needs it over the top. To be played into space.
“Also, you kind of get to know that Ross (Barkley) likes it to feet.”
The bond already built between player and supporters is seldom far from his thoughts. An hour after the interview has finished, Everton’s press officer receives a call. Gueye has something to add.
“It’s a pleasure to have fans who recognise your job on the pitch and like it,” he says. “They give us a lot of power to never give up and keep going forward.”
However, it is Ronald Koeman, a manager so intent on maintaining standards that he queried why one group was battering another into submission in head tennis this week, he must really impress.
So far, so good as the Man of the Match accolades Gueye is quickly accumulating testify.
“When I heard Everton wanted me, I was told only but positive things. I spoke to (Liverpool’s) Sadio Mane – my rival now – on international duty and he said how good the manager was to play for,” said Gueye.
“He will help me make another step up. Together we will cross the line and hit the target.
“For sure it helps that the manager played in my position. But he is also someone who knows what he wants to achieve and where he wants to go.”
Gueye’s route to England followed a familiar path.
He credits the five years he spent at Patrick Vieira’s Diambers academy just outside Dakar with successfully shaping his career. Bringing focus, a new position on the pitch and, later on, the opportunity to impress French club Lille where he would share a dressing room with Eden Hazard.
“Not only were they creating footballers, but they were creating men who knew how to behave and not to just go off the rails and do any old thing,” said Gueye.
“Some of the kids were coming from poor backgrounds and some from well to do backgrounds, but so we would all be equal they made us do two things. The first was to send all our clothes back to our families, so that we all dressed the same.
“And no one was allowed a mobile phone.
“When I went there I was a pure No10. I would like the ball to feet, stroll around, go where I wanted and try and run the game that way, but I was inspired by a guy who was more of a No6. His name was Matar.
“The first year I wasn’t featuring in the team and so I watched him from the bench or stand. The way he pressed all over the field - more of the style I have adopted.
“We played with two No6s so my chance to get in was to follow his lead. That is how things started to click for me and I went onto become captain.
“Maybe there is more glory at No10, but I like my role.
“Growing up my life was football. My dad bought me footballs from an early age and we lived right by the sea, so I would play on the beach all the time. My brother taught me to do keepy-uppies. For all my friends, it the thing we loved. Our passion was football.”
Winning is suddenly a habit again with Gueye anxious to clarify team-mate Oumar Niasse has not had the upper-hand in their table tennis duals at Everton’s Finch Farm training HQ.
“Oumar has helped me settle in, told me I needed to be in at a certain time, the importance of being punctual. He’s shown me around the city and where to eat,” adds Gueye.
“But no, no, no, I win all the time in our games. I play every morning and even today I won again. I always want to win.”
Post by: Goaljira on September 17, 2016, 01:38:10 PM
Boss piece on Gana by Paul Joyce:So there might be some benefit to Niasse, even if it's indirect.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/711293/Everton-Idrissa-Gueye-N-Golo-Kante-Premier-League-Ronald-Koeman
Good article that.
Post by: howard1334 on September 17, 2016, 01:47:23 PM
Boring even if I knew what it meant
. . . such a worthless comment.
Post by: howard1334 on September 17, 2016, 01:47:54 PM
So there might be some benefit to Niasse, even if it's indirect.
Good article that.
Yeah, I saw that as well. Funny how that can be the case--we always think of players in terms of there value to the team, and categorize them accordingly. But the actual players themselves have there own independent relationships.
Post by: pjk on September 17, 2016, 05:26:37 PM
. . . such a worthless comment.
He's commenting on shit Americanisms, or, complicated rules in our sport. Personally I don't mind who takes part in sport provided they don't start to try take over it. Soccer, The half, calling attack offence, the list is long and getting longer. Keep it in America unless it's worth sharing. No disrespects to the American blues, it's a generality and was fair comment from @blue1948 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4273)
Post by: blargins on September 17, 2016, 05:39:56 PM
He's commenting on shit Americanisms, or, complicated rules in our sport. Personally I don't mind who takes part in sport provided they don't start to try take over it. Soccer, The half, calling attack offence, the list is long and getting longer. Keep it in America unless it's worth sharing. No disrespects to the American blues, it's a generality and was fair comment from @blue1948 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4273)
I know what you mean. I'm constantly being told to keep my shit Englishisms out of the country over here. Things like calling wide receivers strikers, the plate the wicket, and calling the shortstop silly mid on. Seeing how much it annoys the natives, I can see how this annoys you.
;)
Post by: pjk on September 17, 2016, 05:42:13 PM
I know what you mean. I'm constantly being told to keep my shit Englishisms out of the country over here. Things like calling wide receivers strikers, the plate the wicket, and calling the shortstop silly mid on. Seeing how much it annoys the natives, I can see how this annoys you.
;)
Is that baseball you're talking about? This is a football forum.
Post by: blargins on September 17, 2016, 05:43:55 PM
Is that baseball you're talking about? This is a football forum.
A wide receiver is a football player. :)
Post by: pjk on September 17, 2016, 05:45:34 PM
A wide receiver is a football player. :)
Association football?
Post by: howard1334 on September 17, 2016, 05:52:12 PM
He's commenting on shit Americanisms, or, complicated rules in our sport. Personally I don't mind who takes part in sport provided they don't start to try take over it. Soccer, The half, calling attack offence, the list is long and getting longer. Keep it in America unless it's worth sharing. No disrespects to the American blues, it's a generality and was fair comment from @blue1948 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4273)
Are you serious? My only point was that players in the NBA have been known to pad there stats by intentionally.missing shots. If that is too complicated for you, then fuck off.
Post by: howard1334 on September 17, 2016, 05:53:41 PM
I know what you mean. I'm constantly being told to keep my shit Englishisms out of the country over here. Things like calling wide receivers strikers, the plate the wicket, and calling the shortstop silly mid on. Seeing how much it annoys the natives, I can see how this annoys you.
;)
And it is stupid and petty when Americans do the same thing. It is insular, nativist, and boring.
Post by: blargins on September 17, 2016, 05:58:00 PM
Association football?
No American football.
Post by: pjk on September 17, 2016, 06:12:48 PM
Are you serious? My only point was that players in the NBA have been known to pad there stats by intentionally.missing shots. If that is too complicated for you, then fuck off.
Yes I am serious, and no, I don't like it. I like football to stay as traditional as is possible. Is that simple enough for you?
Post by: ally2 on September 17, 2016, 06:18:30 PM
Yes I am serious, and no, I don't like it. I like football to stay as traditional as is possible. Is that simple enough for you?
I think there are crossed wires here. Howard was just saying that players in another sport have actively played in a way to manipulate their own stats, which is relevant (or was when he first said it).
Post by: pjk on September 17, 2016, 06:32:08 PM
NBA players have actually intentionally missed layups so that they could get there own rebounds and inflate their stats.
I'm referring to the post that started the fume rolling. I know what the guy meant and duly commented. If Howard thinks I've been unfair with him, I can apologise for that if it's necessary. It doesn't change the fact that the terminology duly turned up on the back of comment involving American football stats merging into association football.
Post by: blargins on September 17, 2016, 06:39:36 PM
Post by: brap2 on September 17, 2016, 06:41:20 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on September 17, 2016, 06:45:21 PM
He's commenting on shit Americanisms, or, complicated rules in our sport. Personally I don't mind who takes part in sport provided they don't start to try take over it. Soccer, The half, calling attack offence, the list is long and getting longer. Keep it in America unless it's worth sharing. No disrespects to the American blues, it's a generality and was fair comment from @blue1948 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4273)
There are few words more British than "soccer", it's classic public school slang from the 19th century playing fields. c.f. "rugger".
"Half" as in "centrehalf" (but also left half and right half) comes from the classic English 2-3-5 system (the one before WM, it's also where the slightly odd numbering of shirts comes from.
Post by: blargins on September 17, 2016, 06:52:14 PM
Post by: ally2 on September 17, 2016, 07:02:38 PM
Post by: van der Meyde on September 17, 2016, 07:09:40 PM
There are few words more British than "soccer", it's classic public school slang from the 19th century playing fields. c.f. "rugger".Was reading something somewhere recently - possibly the book Soccernomics - that up until around the 1970s (when footy started getting a bit more popular in the US) the word soccer was about as popular, if not more so, than football in England. It was only from the 80s onwards that football became the predominant phrase.
"Half" as in "centrehalf" (but also left half and right half) comes from the classic English 2-3-5 system (the one before WM, it's also where the slightly odd numbering of shirts comes from.
Very much agree that calling half time "the half" is shabite though.
Post by: pjk on September 17, 2016, 07:19:13 PM
There are few words more British than "soccer", it's classic public school slang from the 19th century playing fields. c.f. "rugger".
"Half" as in "centrehalf" (but also left half and right half) comes from the classic English 2-3-5 system (the one before WM, it's also where the slightly odd numbering of shirts comes from.
Soccer happens to be a shortening of the word association. So ostensibly you are correct. So yes. I apologise for including the word soccer. Simple. Let's hope the origins of the one word soccer doesn't detract from the reason I posted regarding Americanisms. If people want to get exact where it comes to the etymology of a word, I'm in. Make yourself a load of sandwiches and a flask and we can chat after the game.
Soccer isn't an Americanism, but it has certainly been adopted by Americans to distinguish it from their version. And if you want to be totally accurate, football should be applied to rugby seeing as it was invented first and soccer to association football.
I think you may find the game Rugby was a sport derived from football btw. So we can leave this and allow me to complain if I choose, or, we can start a thread on the Origins of words and certain types of sport associated with them by name.
Post by: Ross on September 17, 2016, 07:22:12 PM
Anyone remember what this thread was about? I was really surprised to hear that Gueye was a number 10 only a few years ago at Lille. I think a fair few on here had decided after two games that he was just a run-around merchant.
He certainly showed a more creative side to his game second half on Monday and given his size I'm not surprised he's played further forward in the past.
Now if you'd have told me he'd played goaltender in the past...
Post by: blargins on September 17, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
Post by: pjk on September 17, 2016, 07:23:55 PM
He certainly showed a more creative side to his game second half on Monday and given his size I'm not surprised he's played further forward and in the past.
Now if you'd have told me he'd played goaltender in the past...
lolol
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 17, 2016, 07:37:14 PM
Post by: Goaljira on September 17, 2016, 11:21:31 PM
Post by: Silas on September 17, 2016, 11:25:53 PM
Post by: TheRam on September 17, 2016, 11:26:43 PM
Paul Ince just said he thinks he's better than Kante.
He's a clueless knobhead though.
Post by: hill135 on September 17, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
Post by: Goaljira on September 18, 2016, 12:33:00 AM
what the fuck are you cunts doing to my thread?I know, sorry. I shouldn't have mentioned Paul Ince.
Post by: Bluedylan on September 18, 2016, 01:23:55 AM
One of the best players in the entire league so far this season.
Post by: sixymack on September 18, 2016, 01:25:52 AM
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 18, 2016, 01:26:46 AM
Post by: hill135 on September 18, 2016, 01:29:31 AM
If the opposition move breaks down it's cos he's tackled them; if ours breaks down he's there to pick up the pieces and get it going again.
Post by: Heisenberg on September 18, 2016, 01:37:08 AM
Post by: Bwana on September 18, 2016, 02:01:27 AM
We now have our's.
Lovin'him!
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 18, 2016, 02:02:01 AM
How shit must villa have been to get about 20 points in a season with him in their team.
Post by: Escla on September 18, 2016, 02:10:41 AM
Are they? On him? Been great every game. His stats were great last season. It's a reasonable assumption he might be great.
Someone like deulofeu who to be frank is largely shit is still talked about on here like he's a star. Lukaku who is shite 20 times a season is the complete striker
This lad will for me prove to be comfortably our best player. He's great. Not great once in 5 so you could make a good YouTube video. He's a top player
He's a normal persons phenomenal
Stopped reading this after your comment that Delafeu is shit and Lukaku is shit 20 times a season.
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2016, 02:15:58 AM
Post by: Bluedylan on September 18, 2016, 02:17:15 AM
He's man of the match every game and the only reason he doesn't get that award every week is it's not fair on the others.
I actually think that's true.
Post by: Shogun on September 18, 2016, 02:20:28 AM
He's man of the match every game and the only reason he doesn't get that award every week is it's not fair on the others.
I thought today was his worst match of the season so far. 9/10
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2016, 02:21:52 AM
I actually think that's true.
He's seriously good. Like a Duracell bunny. He'll extend Jags' career playing in front of him, he never leaves the centre halves exposed.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 18, 2016, 02:38:48 AM
Stopped reading this after your comment that Delafeu is shit and Lukaku is shit 20 times a season.
Was right though wasn't I. He's a top top player and comfortably our best. Even balotelli has scored a couple this season. My wisdom has no bounds
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Post by: Gash on September 18, 2016, 05:34:37 AM
He's seriously good. Like a Duracell bunny. He'll extend Jags' career playing in front of him, he never leaves the centre halves exposed.
All the defenders are benefiting from him. There was a point where Baines had pushed forward but lost the ball and when Boro broke forward with 2 down the left Gueye was there covering the left hand side until Baines got back.
I've got serious "I love this cunt" for him. :)
Post by: Tony Clifton on September 18, 2016, 05:42:49 AM
All the defenders are benefiting from him. There was a point where Baines had pushed forward but lost the ball and when Boro broke forward with 2 down the left Gueye was there covering the left hand side until Baines got back.
I've got serious "I love this cunt" for him. :)
He is to our defenders what Johnnie Cochran was to OJ Simpson et al, and then some.
Post by: Brownie20 on September 18, 2016, 05:47:49 AM
I know what you mean. I'm constantly being told to keep my shit Englishisms out of the country over here. Things like calling wide receivers strikers, the plate the wicket, and calling the shortstop silly mid on. Seeing how much it annoys the natives, I can see how this annoys you.
;)
I was once referred to as an Englishman by an American. I tried to put him right, but he insisted that it was the same thing. So I started to refer to him as a Canadian. He didn't like that
Post by: blargins on September 18, 2016, 05:51:35 AM
I was once referred to as an Englishman by an American. I tried to put him right, but he insisted that it was the same thing. So I started to refer to him as a Canadian. He didn't like that
I'm always being mixed up with Australian, but I guess that makes sense.
Post by: Bob Sacamano on September 18, 2016, 05:59:18 AM
Let's hope it snows every day in January so all the games whilst the ACN is on are postponed.
Hoping for that much snow in Gabon is a tad optimistic. But I dig the positivity.
Post by: christiffa25 on September 18, 2016, 12:26:37 PM
Then thought oh...he's pretty handy, good squad addition.
Then changed to, actually he's pretty good and quite important to the team.
Now, it's like oh my fucking god!! He's a worldie, how the fuck will we manage without him!
Unbelievable at £7M
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 18, 2016, 01:02:02 PM
Post by: Hannibal Lecter on September 18, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
At first I thought what an under whelming signing.I wrote in the match day thread that it was time for a apotheosis. Do we know if Everton arrange such ceremonies?
Then thought oh...he's pretty handy, good squad addition.
Then changed to, actually he's pretty good and quite important to the team.
Now, it's like oh my fucking god!! He's a worldie, how the fuck will we manage without him!
Unbelievable at £7M
I mean why else would have a church in our stadium?
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on September 18, 2016, 02:29:11 PM
"We love Idrissa, because he is big and strong, we love Idrissa, because he can go all night long, we love Idrissa, we want to be Gueye too"
Reckon it'll click on?
Post by: Brownie20 on September 18, 2016, 02:30:53 PM
I wrote in the match day thread that it was time for a apotheosis. Do we know if Everton arrange such ceremonies?
I mean why else would have a church in our stadium?
Surely it should happen in a cathedral or now we are friends with Pappa Frank over in the Vatican, in the Sistine Chapel
Post by: Paddockoldie on September 18, 2016, 02:46:42 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on September 18, 2016, 02:58:45 PM
Basically, if Steve Walsh never signs another gem on the cheap, he's already more than paid for himself.
Post by: blargins on September 18, 2016, 03:03:20 PM
What a find. Think he's the perfect foil for the midfield we have. He reminds me of a rock hard Piennar with the work rate and lovely touches. He passes a ball so precisely. Made up with him... and us.Oh be careful with that comparison. Last time it was made the poster was somehow accused of racism.
Post by: Goaljira on September 18, 2016, 03:21:27 PM
Not trying to sell him or even contemplate selling him, honest, but imagine what he'd be worth now. I think you'd be starting at £30m minimum.The other way around, if we'd paid £40m for him in the summer you'd still be impressed with how good he's been and think we've got a bargain.
Basically, if Steve Walsh never signs another gem on the cheap, he's already more than paid for himself and more.
Post by: Paddockoldie on September 18, 2016, 03:29:14 PM
Oh be careful with that comparison. Last time it was made the poster was somehow accused of racism.
Iz dat coz I iz white? Racism shouldn't be about colour but it seems to be. But let's leave it there.
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 18, 2016, 03:31:21 PM
I thought of a song for him, it goes along to the same tune as the Fellaini song
"We love Idrissa, because he is big and strong, we love Idrissa, because he can go all night long, we love Idrissa, we want to be Gueye too"
Reckon it'll click on?
No
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 18, 2016, 06:30:16 PM
Post by: Gash on September 18, 2016, 06:49:50 PM
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 18, 2016, 06:59:31 PM
Wonder if that's Koeman wanting us to pose more attacking threat against weaker teams, and trusting Gueye to get back when he needs to, or if it's more that he's seeing more and more the attacking qualities that Gueye can bring.
Post by: blargins on September 18, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
It's interesting, the last 2 games he's frequently been further forward positionally than before, generally further down the pitch than Barry.
Wonder if that's Koeman wanting us to pose more attacking threat against weaker teams, and trusting Gueye to get back when he needs to, or if it's more that he's seeing more and more the attacking qualities that Gueye can bring.
He certainly has the energy and pace. He seems more omnipresent than god himself.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 18, 2016, 07:16:13 PM
Remember the fume from people moaning that all we'd spent was £7m on a relegated Villa player. :snigger:
Yes a bit of it was mine but thats footy . Better than making out you knew he was the nads though .
Post by: Bluedylan on September 18, 2016, 07:18:58 PM
Yes a bit of it was mine but thats footy . Better than making out you knew he was the nads though .
Don't think one person made out he was boss. No-one knew him or had really watched him. It was more 'give him a chance at least, Koeman and Walsh want him and his stats looks excellent'.
Post by: Gash on September 18, 2016, 07:36:09 PM
Yes a bit of it was mine but thats footy . Better than making out you knew he was the nads though .
I didn't, in fact I don't think I'd ever seen him play. But then neither had plenty people who genuinely formed an opinion on Villa and £7m, which is just stupid.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 18, 2016, 08:49:31 PM
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 18, 2016, 09:19:56 PM
But I decided to play it cool on here and instead only talk about how Villa fans kept saying how doesn't put in much effort and always gives the ball away.
Called it.
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2016, 09:36:00 PM
Remember the fume from people moaning that all we'd spent was £7m on a relegated Villa player. :snigger:
Which was everyone on here. Bar none. No-one saw this coming, despite what they may claim after the event.
Post by: Goaljira on September 18, 2016, 09:47:27 PM
Which was everyone on here. Bar none. No-one saw this coming, despite what they may claim after the event.@Ridge did. He was onto him last season.
Post by: Silas on September 18, 2016, 09:50:13 PM
No you fuck off!
The lad's got something about him, gritty little mad fucker I think he's going to be a proper bargain.
Every 20 pages or so I am going to quote myself and engage Smug bastard mode.
Post by: Goaljira on September 18, 2016, 10:00:12 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/GregoryGoals/status/760517391046639617
Post by: Thomas on September 18, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
Post by: Silas on September 18, 2016, 10:06:56 PM
Who was it on BT Sport who said he is probably better than Kante?
Paul Ince
Post by: Thomas on September 18, 2016, 10:07:37 PM
Paul Ince
That was quick.
@Silas (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=100) wins.
Post by: Gash on September 18, 2016, 10:10:13 PM
Which was everyone on here. Bar none.
No it wasn't.
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2016, 10:14:09 PM
Every 20 pages or so I am going to quote myself and engage Smug bastard mode.
You can't have smug bastard when you'd already seen him play for us pre season. The only people who get respect on this one are the ones who called it on signing. Which I'm sure no-one did.
Post by: Silas on September 18, 2016, 10:17:13 PM
You can't have smug bastard when you'd already seen him play for us pre season. The only people who get respect on this one are the ones who called it on signing. Which I'm sure no-one did.
I am totally capable of claiming praise for fuck all. Being doing it in work for 20 years
Post by: Bluedylan on September 18, 2016, 10:18:01 PM
Which was everyone on here. Bar none. No-one saw this coming, despite what they may claim after the event.
http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54583.0
Mostly quite positive apart from one or two of the usual suspects:
I'm about as excited at this deal as I am about my up coming dentist visit.
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2016, 10:19:33 PM
No it wasn't.
Happy to be proved wrong if someone can show me evidence that they called the signing a master stroke at the time. If they did they get my utmost respect.
Post by: kramer0 on September 18, 2016, 10:22:00 PM
Bottom line here: Gana is a good player. We all win. Simple.
Post by: Gash on September 18, 2016, 10:25:57 PM
Happy to be proved wrong if someone can show me evidence that they called the signing a master stroke at the time. If they did they get my utmost respect.
That's not what I said though, I didn't say anyone claimed it as a masterstroke. It was a light hearted comment about the handful of people who moaned that we bought a Villa player and despite having a billionaire were only spending £7m on a player. It wasn't intended to become a big topic of conversation to be honest.
Post by: Bluedylan on September 18, 2016, 10:27:11 PM
It doesn't really matter who "called it" or who thought he would be bad. Credibility on here is overrated. We all get some right and get some wrong. So it goes.
Bottom line here: Gana is a good player. We all win. Simple.
You're right that we all get some wrong (I once vehemently called for us to get Bony rather than Lukaku, for example).
But it's still funny to read back on some comments. I think @efcforlife (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=186) 's is my favourite:
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I'm sorry but right now Gana isn't even close to keeping Mcarthy or Barry out the team.
Are you people having a fucking laugh.
He has played one season of premier league football in a team that got walked all over(the midfield especially so).
He is a decent footballer but that's it, he has the potential to become better but the signing is one of the most pointless I've ever seen whilst following Everton.
Even if we consider potential, he is older than Mcarthy and Besic.
Panic buy, squad filler
FACT
Post by: Silas on September 18, 2016, 10:36:49 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 18, 2016, 10:38:11 PM
Which was everyone on here. Bar none. No-one saw this coming, despite what they may claim after the event.
Wasn't everyone. There were loads who had no clue but were a little excited by his stats
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2016, 10:48:05 PM
We may see a dip in form once his batteries start to fade but then again he looks like he's fitted with a self charging generator. Love him already.
Post by: hill135 on September 18, 2016, 11:03:12 PM
I literally have a 100 percent track record.
Post by: kramer0 on September 18, 2016, 11:08:59 PM
I never call anything wrong.
I literally have a 100 percent track record.
Definitely don't look at the Euro 2016 thread if you want to believe this.
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 18, 2016, 11:14:09 PM
Happy to be proved wrong if someone can show me evidence that they called the signing a master stroke at the time. If they did they get my utmost respect.
I texted how great I thought he was Jim White. I'd ask him to read my text out on the radio, but you probably wouldn't believe it so what's the point.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 18, 2016, 11:33:48 PM
If pogba had put these performances in people would be saying he was justifying the 90m fee. So far he's been "can play for anyone" good.
Post by: TheRam on September 19, 2016, 12:17:58 AM
You're right that we all get some wrong (I once vehemently called for us to get Bony rather than Lukaku, for example).
But it's still funny to read back on some comments. I think @efcforlife (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=186) 's is my favourite:
The 'FACT' really makes that post.
Post by: Polledreng on September 19, 2016, 12:46:43 AM
You're right that we all get some wrong (I once vehemently called for us to get Bony rather than Lukaku, for example).think i would have taken a new user name or better stop posting After that....
But it's still funny to read back on some comments. I think @efcforlife (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=186) 's is my favourite:
Post by: stirlingblue on September 19, 2016, 12:58:34 AM
It's interesting, the last 2 games he's frequently been further forward positionally than before, generally further down the pitch than Barry.
Wonder if that's Koeman wanting us to pose more attacking threat against weaker teams, and trusting Gueye to get back when he needs to, or if it's more that he's seeing more and more the attacking qualities that Gueye can bring.
Could well be that Koeman wants us to win the ball back further up the pitch.
Gana seems to be a magnet for loose balls, if he is position ally further forward he can pick up the loose balls when attacks break down and let us maintain the impetus.
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on September 19, 2016, 01:45:17 AM
The 'FACT' really makes that post.
I can't recall a better misuse of the word fact.
Ever.
Post by: efcforlife on September 19, 2016, 02:04:04 AM
think i would have taken a new user name or better stop posting After that....
*after
Post by: Ross on September 19, 2016, 05:34:27 AM
*after
Are you saying this *after the fact?
Post by: Trowel on September 19, 2016, 12:24:15 PM
Post by: Brownie20 on September 19, 2016, 01:45:38 PM
Which was everyone on here. Bar none. No-one saw this coming, despite what they may claim after the event.
Actually, no they didn't. Me being one. Didn't know anything about him so couldn't make any judgement whatsoever. Just said that as soon as he signs he gets my support. And that I was getting his name on my shirt. Which I did.
Post by: Major Clanger on September 19, 2016, 04:16:36 PM
Happy to be proved wrong if someone can show me evidence that they called the signing a master stroke at the time. If they did they get my utmost respect.
If I call every new signing a masterstroke, will I have your respect then? :)
Post by: pjk on September 19, 2016, 04:17:42 PM
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2016, 04:28:43 PM
Post by: pjk on September 19, 2016, 06:53:13 PM
I hope his contract is watertight. As in every bid is automatically rejected and we are duty bound to find employment for his family and extended family so it feels like home. For ever.
I wouldn't give anyone odds on him not getting a new contract before the end of this season. He's only on a four year contract and Koeman has already earmarked him, as not far off essential. Five games in, isn't many, but I've not been so excited since we signed Lukaku. :)
Post by: pjk on September 20, 2016, 07:28:49 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2016, 04:21:47 AM
Julien Laurens, a French football journalist, was saying that his name is Idrissa Gueye, nothing more. Gana is something that he put on his shirt as a tribute to his granddad who died a few years ago, who was himself called 'Gana'.
Post by: ally2 on September 21, 2016, 04:37:51 AM
Post by: Ross on September 24, 2016, 01:48:30 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/23/everton-idrissa-gueye-i-am-a-perfectionist
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“Perfect in every aspect of football.” Of all the tributes paid to Idrissa Gana Gueye for his impact at Everton – the new N’Golo Kanté, the signing of the season so far or an absolute steal at 6.3% of the cost of Paul Pogba, to repeat a few – none have been as hard-earned or important as Ronald Koeman’s description of his display against Middlesbrough last Saturday. And what does Gueye recall of the game? A missed tackle. Perfect does not sit easily with a perfectionist.
Everton were 3-1 ahead and comfortably repelling Middlesbrough’s attempts to get back into the contest when, to general astonishment around Goodison Park, their relentless midfielder slid into a challenge near the touchline and did not emerge with the ball. Gueye punched the pitch in anger as his opponent escaped. He broke into laughter in stoppage time when, having sprayed a pass out to Tom Cleverley, the realisation dawned that the Everton substitute was in the technical area waiting to replace Gareth Barry. They were the only slips in a performance that warranted high praise from Everton’s demanding manager and maintained the Senegal international’s seamless transition from Aston Villa. But that tackle …
“I remember the moment well,” the softly spoken 26-year-old says. “I am a perfectionist on things like that and I was very frustrated. I don’t like to lose the ball ever or lose a one-on-one. I’m usually quite good at getting my foot on the ball first time and controlling it under pressure but in this case it didn’t happen. I was annoyed when I saw him come away with the ball. I think that is a feeling I’ve had in me since I started at the academy.”
Gueye is referring to Diambars football academy 70km south of his hometown of Dakar. Established by Patrick Vieira, the former France goalkeeper Bernard Lama, ex-Benin defender Jimmy Adjovi-Boco and Saer Seck, president of Senegal’s football league, it provides selected young football talents with facilities and an education that is otherwise in short supply. Gueye’s signed Villa shirt is framed on the reception wall. Unfailingly polite, early for the interview – an exclusive in itself – the midfielder reflects well on Diambars’ mission, in the words of technical coaching director Moussa Kamara, to educate “model men for emerging Senegal. It’s not just about football.”
Diambars’ alma mater on Merseyside explains: “It was there I learned to press, run with the ball and be aggressive in possession. That’s something I learned from a young age. I went there as a 14-year-old and stayed until I was 19. We only saw our families during the holidays and that was tough but it was an important place to get an education in football. It taught you to have a lot of respect but it also gave you a lot of joie de vivre for the game, which is a great thing to have. The academy instilled in us the desire to develop, to progress and to achieve a professional career. It created for us a model of how to emulate the great professional players and we were surrounded by that all the time.
“I was more of an attacking midfielder than a defensive midfielder when I first went there but what encouraged me to change was that I wanted to have more time on the ball. For a lot of defensive midfielders it is just about blocking and intercepting, a purely defensive role, but I wanted to run with the ball and track back to recover the ball when I didn’t have it. Making runs and passes was always part of my game, before the defensive side.”
Gueye’s statistics against Middlesbrough are consistent with the start to his Everton career and underline why Koeman emphasised “every aspect” of his contribution to a fourth win in five Premier League games, one more than he experienced throughout last season with Villa. In keeping with defensive midfield duties, the £7.1m summer signing had more touches than any player on the pitch (106 to Seamus Coleman in second with 92) and produced more tackles and passes than any other Everton player (eight and 87 respectively. Barry was second on both counts with three and 68). Yet he also completed as many dribbles as Yannick Bolasie and Kevin Mirallas. “Yes, he wins a lot of the second balls and tackles,” Koeman said: “But he also showed composure on the ball, left, right and always trying to play forwards. He is a fantastic signing for the club.”
Gueye’s range perhaps explains why he distances himself from comparisons with Kanté. Steve Walsh, Everton’s new director of football, has shaped the career path of both, pushing his former club Leicester City to sign the France international and stating the case for Gueye on his arrival at Goodison. Otherwise, as Gueye explains: “I’ve heard this a few times but I wouldn’t say there is a real comparison between me and N’Golo. He is who he is and I’m my own player, but I can see the model and why people would say that. When I was younger the player I looked up to was David Beckham. I used to watch him play often, whenever I could, but when I switched to a more defensive position I began to look up to Lassana Diarra. He’s the player I tried to emulate.”
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Gueye and Everton’s fine start to the campaign ended abruptly on Tuesday with defeat to Norwich City in the EFL Cup. Gueye, who turns 27 next week, describes the first reverse of Koeman’s reign as “a knock on the back of the head”. He explains: “It was a reminder to us that we have to always do things right and that the result comes down to the work rate you put in. We need to focus on that again at Bournemouth on Saturday.”
Everton’s astute purchase is drawing comparisons between his current club and the Lille team with which he won the French title in 2011, specifically the talent both possess in the final third, when he is suddenly called away for lunch at Finch Farm. Koeman demands that meals are taken together at Everton but lunch, it soon transpires, has been delayed so Gueye returns of his own accord to an interview that had appeared over. He is asked why he prefers Gana on the back of his shirt. He asks if he can put a few “thank yous” in print. It seems a reasonable exchange.
“Gana is my middle name and the name my father gave me in honour of my grandfather,” he says. “It was passed down to me as a mark of respect for my grandfather, though he never liked football. My father played and my two older brothers played but my grandfather no, he had no interest in the game at all. I’ve always lived for football, everyone in Senegal absolutely loves football apart from my grandfather!
“My big brothers played and although they didn’t get to the same level they were my role models. They are so happy for me now and, if this is the right place, I want to thank my family and friends for supporting me during a very difficult time last season at Aston Villa. It was a difficult period with the results and relegation and afterwards I was waiting for a new club to come in for me. They were all supporting me and praying for me and here we are today. I would also like to say thanks to the manager and Steve and everyone at Everton who made the move happen.”
By the end of the season there may be accolades to accompany what resembles an acceptance speech for Gana Gueye.
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2016, 02:18:31 AM
Walshy's genius confirmed.
Post by: TheRam on September 24, 2016, 03:14:26 AM
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Post by: blueToffee on December 05, 2016, 06:25:51 AM
There has been counter evidence so the jury is still out there though.
Anyhow really like the player. Also glad that he isn't afraid to shoot at times too. Really could use some more goals chipped in from central midfield.
Post by: Trowel on December 05, 2016, 12:46:27 PM
Rank Player Stat
1. Idrissa Gueye 66
2. Jordan Henderson 57
3. Daniel Drinkwater 49
3. Oriol Romeu 49
5. N'Golo Kanté 44
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 05, 2016, 03:32:31 PM
Post by: Zoolander on December 06, 2016, 01:19:57 AM
Just how good can he become? Scary really. But then such questions were asked of Barkley and others so I'll wind in talking about it and pressuring the guy. (Not that some weirdo on a forum saying he could be world class is likely to pressure him really I guess)
Post by: Cassius on December 06, 2016, 01:29:32 AM
He's become first name on the team sheet - which for someone who's only been here a matter of months is an absolute credit to the lad.
Just how good can he become? Scary really. But then such questions were asked of Barkley and others so I'll wind in talking about it and pressuring the guy. (Not that some weirdo on a forum saying he could be world class is likely to pressure him really I guess)
Damn right, but who's the second name on the team sheet right now? Other than Rom and Stek, due to lack of alternatives, I can't think of anyone.
Post by: Zoolander on December 06, 2016, 01:33:06 AM
Damn right, but who's the second name on the team sheet right now? Other than Rom and Stek, due to lack of alternatives, I can't think of anyone.I'd say Gana and Barry but that's about your lot really - which illustrates how poor our collective form has been
Post by: Cassius on December 06, 2016, 01:40:56 AM
I'd say Gana and Barry but that's about your lot really - which illustrates how poor our collective form has been
Yeah, Barry is probably the only other name. The rest are dispensable right now.
Post by: Thomas on December 06, 2016, 04:07:30 AM
By far our best player this season, to the point where i would seriously consider putting the captains armband on him, dubbing this the "Gueye" era and build our team around him
So just because he runs around and has an engine and makes a tackle/interception he is a hero now is he? Typical modern day Everton fan philosophy.
He's been playing well and is decent at what he does but nothing more. He does not set up or score goals or spot a pass. To be top 4 that's what we need. Leicester got Kante for 3m less than we got Gana and Kante is twice the player Gana is.
I like the lad quite a bit but lets say it how it is - to be frank he is fucking limited. Gareth Barry who I have little time for has more intelligence on the pitch than this guy who is the wrong end of his 20s.
Post by: Lxxx on December 06, 2016, 04:09:55 AM
So just because he runs around and has an engine and makes a tackle/interception he is a hero now is he? Typical modern day Everton fan philosophy.
He's been playing well and is decent at what he does but nothing more. He does not set up or score goals or spot a pass. To be top 4 that's what we need. Leicester got Kante for 3m less than we got Gana and Kante is twice the player Gana is.
Give it a rest with this 'typical modern day fan philosophy.' You've been banging on about it now for quite a bit and you've made your point. Not that many agree with it like.
Post by: Confucius on December 06, 2016, 04:10:24 AM
So just because he runs around and has an engine and makes a tackle/interception he is a hero now is he? Typical modern day Everton fan philosophy.
He's been playing well and is decent at what he does but nothing more. He does not set up or score goals or spot a pass. To be top 4 that's what we need. Leicester got Kante for 3m less than we got Gana and Kante is twice the player Gana is.
I like the lad quite a bit but lets say it how it is - to be frank he is fucking limited. Gareth Barry who I have little time for has more intelligence on the pitch than this guy who is the wrong end of his 20s.
Thomas my friend. he runs around and makes tackles and interceptions. Those are his job as a DM and he does it better than anyone in the league.
Post by: Thomas on December 06, 2016, 04:16:51 AM
Give it a rest with this 'typical modern day fan philosophy.' You've been banging on about it now for quite a bit and you've made your point. Not that many agree with it like.
How about people give their constant state of denial a rest?
Thats another problem with the likes of you @Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) and some of our fans - fingers in the ears and 'sit down shut up' with anything they disagree with.
The fact is we love limited players like Gana and Ashley Williams and ones who cannot get into a Norwich team like Naismith, but have no time for John Stones, Ross Barkley etc who get the height of abuse.
I respect AW and Gana but unlike some of our fans I'm prepared to acknowledge just how completely limited they are and how signing and not improving on them will not get us in the top 4.
The fact is we have a shit team and all's we are doing for a comfort blanket is looking for a chink of light and alls Gana has done is looked half interested. Thats the bare minimum I expect from an Everton player.
Post by: Thomas on December 06, 2016, 04:18:20 AM
Thomas my friend. he runs around and makes tackles and interceptions. Those are his job as a DM and he does it better than anyone in the league.
Sure, but going off this thread the guy has become Makelele or Gattusso.
He's a decent player but we need the complete player and they are out there for decent prices.
Post by: kramer0 on December 06, 2016, 04:20:35 AM
Sure, but going off this thread the guy has become Makelele or Gattusso.
He's a decent player but we need the complete player and they are out there for decent prices.
Can you get Steve Walsh in touch with Scott Brown?
Post by: Thomas on December 06, 2016, 04:21:30 AM
Can you get Steve Walsh in touch with Scott Brown?
Broonie is not a complete player. But I liked the joke pal.
Post by: Jamokachi on December 06, 2016, 04:25:47 AM
Post by: bigmanbob on December 06, 2016, 04:32:06 AM
The guy is a freak. He just doesn't put a foot wrong.I'd argue that for a few games recently he's been below the fantastically high standards he set when he first came to us. But the last couple of games he's been back to his best
Post by: Silas on December 06, 2016, 04:42:01 AM
So just because he runs around and has an engine and makes a tackle/interception he is a hero now is he? Typical modern day Everton fan philosophy.
He's been playing well and is decent at what he does but nothing more. He does not set up or score goals or spot a pass. To be top 4 that's what we need. Leicester got Kante for 3m less than we got Gana and Kante is twice the player Gana is.
I like the lad quite a bit but lets say it how it is - to be frank he is fucking limited. Gareth Barry who I have little time for has more intelligence on the pitch than this guy who is the wrong end of his 20s.
Fucking hell mate you must have hated Peter Reid
Post by: Gash on December 06, 2016, 05:02:47 AM
He's been playing well and is decent at what he does but nothing more. He does not set up or score goals or spot a pass. To be top 4 that's what we need. Leicester got Kante for 3m less than we got Gana and Kante is twice the player Gana is.
Did you see Trowel's post above yours? That's what a DM does, puts in a tackle and breaks up play, it's not their job to beat 5 players, make a defence splitting pass or score a worldy every week. Look at Gueye's stats against Kante last season, in pretty much every department their stats were very similar, passes made, pass completion, tackles made, interceptions made, even distance covered despite Gueye playing for the champions and Kante playing in one of the worst teams in the Premier League, to say Kante is twice the player is complete rubbish.
It's just more agenda driven bollocks from you and has been for about 18 months now, everyone pretty much knows your posts word for word and you're adding nothing new or interesting.
Post by: ally2 on December 06, 2016, 05:14:52 AM
Post by: Jamokachi on December 06, 2016, 05:15:12 AM
Fucking hell mate you must have hated Peter Reid
He's not fucking old enough to remember! Condescending other fans as though he's been privy to Everton glory years... It's fucking rude at best.
Post by: Brownie20 on December 06, 2016, 05:47:48 AM
How about people give their constant state of denial a rest?
Thats another problem with the likes of you @Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) and some of our fans - fingers in the ears and 'sit down shut up' with anything they disagree with.
The fact is we love limited players like Gana and Ashley Williams and ones who cannot get into a Norwich team like Naismith, but have no time for John Stones, Ross Barkley etc who get the height of abuse.
I respect AW and Gana but unlike some of our fans I'm prepared to acknowledge just how completely limited they are and how signing and not improving on them will not get us in the top 4.
The fact is we have a shit team and all's we are doing for a comfort blanket is looking for a chink of light and alls Gana has done is looked half interested. Thats the bare minimum I expect from an Everton player.
From now on I am passing an NSNO decree that the poster formerly known as @Thomas (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=347) will
now be known as @Phil Connors
Post by: Bally on December 06, 2016, 07:27:42 AM
How about people give their constant state of denial a rest?
Thats another problem with the likes of you @Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) and some of our fans - fingers in the ears and 'sit down shut up' with anything they disagree with.
The fact is we love limited players like Gana and Ashley Williams and ones who cannot get into a Norwich team like Naismith, but have no time for John Stones, Ross Barkley etc who get the height of abuse.
I respect AW and Gana but unlike some of our fans I'm prepared to acknowledge just how completely limited they are and how signing and not improving on them will not get us in the top 4.
The fact is we have a shit team and all's we are doing for a comfort blanket is looking for a chink of light and alls Gana has done is looked half interested. Thats the bare minimum I expect from an Everton player.
Right... Stop with all the "likes of you" shit you've said what you need to say, multiple fucking times now, we get it, you're a fan but not a fan and you think all but you is wrong, stop the fucking banging on and calling people because they don't agree, remember opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, just some are more full of shit than others.
Post by: Lxxx on December 06, 2016, 03:15:23 PM
Sure, but going off this thread the guy has become Makelele or Gattusso.
He's a decent player but we need the complete player and they are out there for decent prices.
I'm not too sure how many players would pop up on Steve Walsh's spreadsheet when he adds in the filters 'Complete player' , 'decent price' and 'willing to sign for Everton.' I'm thinking he might get an 'Error' message pop up.
Post by: BlueNoseMike on December 06, 2016, 03:23:25 PM
Sure, but going off this thread the guy has become Makelele or Gattusso.
He's a decent player but we need the complete player and they are out there for decent prices.
Makelele and Gattusso were never complete midfielders. They did exactly what Gana did, intercept, screen the defence, tackle and press at the right times and get the ball to a team mate as quick as possible.
Gana has been the signing of the season by any team this year! Yes we need a more complete midfielder but not to replace Gana, to work with Gana in the team.
1st name on the team sheet every week for me, he's been as good as Kante this season.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 06, 2016, 04:19:51 PM
How about people give their constant state of denial a rest?
Thats another problem with the likes of you @Lxxx (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4362) and some of our fans - fingers in the ears and 'sit down shut up' with anything they disagree with.
The fact is we love limited players like Gana and Ashley Williams and ones who cannot get into a Norwich team like Naismith, but have no time for John Stones, Ross Barkley etc who get the height of abuse.
I respect AW and Gana but unlike some of our fans I'm prepared to acknowledge just how completely limited they are and how signing and not improving on them will not get us in the top 4.
The fact is we have a shit team and all's we are doing for a comfort blanket is looking for a chink of light and alls Gana has done is looked half interested. Thats the bare minimum I expect from an Everton player.
Gueye does his job brilliantly. Stones and Barkley often don't do their job
Gueye is a fantastic player. Stones is a defender who can't actually defend very well.
Post by: hill135 on December 06, 2016, 04:21:34 PM
You see the game in a different way and that's fine but do try and avoid talking down to people.
Post by: Major Clanger on December 06, 2016, 04:29:01 PM
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Post by: Jimmywhack on December 06, 2016, 06:03:01 PM
Gattuso was shiteHe wasn't tho was he
Post by: AllyBlue14 on December 06, 2016, 07:09:02 PM
So just because he runs around and has an engine and makes a tackle/interception he is a hero now is he? Typical modern day Everton fan philosophy.
He's been playing well and is decent at what he does but nothing more. He does not set up or score goals or spot a pass. To be top 4 that's what we need. Leicester got Kante for 3m less than we got Gana and Kante is twice the player Gana is.
I like the lad quite a bit but lets say it how it is - to be frank he is fucking limited. Gareth Barry who I have little time for has more intelligence on the pitch than this guy who is the wrong end of his 20s.
You often come up with something that divides the crowd (and that's being generous), Thomas, but this has flagged you up as a wum.
In your eyes, it'd be better to have a team of van der Meydes and Drenthes with all the talent in the world but not nearly the work rate or consistency to make it viable. We'd all love to have flair in every position but it just can't happen - there isn't a successful team in world football where that's the case, even Barcelona. And as has been pointed out, the sort of players that are able to perform more consistently probably have better options on the table than Everton.
I don't know what more you want from Gueye, he's been our stand-out player this season. And the stats would suggest he's out-performing Kanté. I can think of at least 2 goals he's contributed to this season (crossing to Lukaku v. Sunderland and winning the penalty on Sunday) and I haven't really seen many of the matches. And when he didn't play against Chelsea, we lost 5-0. Obviously we can't solely attribute it to that but it can't have helped.
People's frustration with the flair players is their lack of consistency - why can they produce it one week and not the next? For Stones and Lukaku, again as has been said before, this was coupled with them basically saying they were too good for us (which may be true, but it's not cool taking it to the media).
There's just no foundation to what you're saying! Which is why I think you come on here to be contrary.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 07, 2016, 12:01:20 AM
Lets compare like for like. People don't have a problem with players of the style of Barkley and stones. People have a problem cos they are doing shite. Gueye is doing exceptionally well. We'd all probably swap him for hazard though. You know a flair player that's doing exceptionally well rather than 1 who's doing the square route of fuck all
Post by: brap2 on December 07, 2016, 01:22:49 AM
So just because he runs around and has an engine and makes a tackle/interception he is a hero now is he? Typical modern day Everton fan philosophy.
He's been playing well and is decent at what he does but nothing more. He does not set up or score goals or spot a pass. To be top 4 that's what we need. Leicester got Kante for 3m less than we got Gana and Kante is twice the player Gana is.
I like the lad quite a bit but lets say it how it is - to be frank he is fucking limited. Gareth Barry who I have little time for has more intelligence on the pitch than this guy who is the wrong end of his 20s.
Off your head pal. Belong in the bin with your Scott Brown shouts.
Post by: Simon Paul on December 07, 2016, 01:45:22 AM
Every team needs a spoiler, someone who can break up what the opposition do and give the ball to someone good, which is what Neville did and what Gueye does - the main difference with Gueye is that he can also do a bit with the ball every now and then.
He's one of the few at the club who should be kept around at the moment.
Post by: howard1334 on December 07, 2016, 02:28:59 AM
Gueye is a better version of Phil Neville, who was boss at what he did and nothing else
Every team needs a spoiler, someone who can break up what the opposition do and give the ball to someone good, which is what Neville did and what Gueye does - the main difference with Gueye is that he can also do a bit with the ball every now and then.
He's one of the few at the club who should be kept around at the moment.
Your are undervaluing Gueye. Phil Neville never came close to putting up the sort of defensive numbers that Gueye does, nor was he able to cover so much of the field.
Post by: Silas on December 07, 2016, 02:33:47 AM
Post by: Brownie20 on December 07, 2016, 03:26:49 AM
We have our very own Reg Shoe :)
Reg is less annoying
Post by: Jamokachi on December 07, 2016, 07:25:37 AM
Gattuso was shite
What a fucking ridiculous statement
Post by: Jamokachi on July 21, 2017, 03:55:26 PM
Look at him. The sexy specimen.
Post by: Brownie20 on July 21, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
(http://cdn6.24live.co/images/2017/07/20/1500552928679514.jpg)
Look at him. The sexy specimen.
Him and Morgs are my faves
Post by: Jamokachi on July 21, 2017, 04:41:11 PM
Him and Morgs are my faves
Ebony, and ivoryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...
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Post by: Waltzer on February 05, 2018, 05:14:06 PM
Joey Barton has told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast, which was broadcast on TalkSPORT on 5th February, that Everton midfielder Idrissa Gueye is braindead.
Gueye was selected to start in Everton’s last match, as they were beaten 5-1 by Arsenal at the Emirates Stadium.
And Barton has hammered the central midfielder, as he believes Gueye has no positional sense.
“Idrissa Gueye. Remember when kids were on the play ground and they all chase after the ball, and then somebody runs off because a crisp packet blows across the play ground and he’s braindead? That’s Gueye. I think Schneiderlin is terrible, but it doesn’t help having him alongside him because the amount of times he vacates the middle of the park,” Barton raged.
“Evertonians tell me he’s a good player, I can’t have it.”
Gueye was one of the worst players on the pitch, as Everton suffered a humiliating defeat against Arsenal.
The Toffees were absolutely horrendous, as Arsenal picked up a comfortable three points. The Gunners tore Sam Allardyce’s side apart time after time, with Everton’s defensive play absolutely awful.
Everton have won just once in their last nine matches, with the pressure seriously building on Allardyce.
Everton are now in 10th place in the Premier League standings, but they still sit seven points above the drop zone, with the Merseyside outfit looking likely to finish in mid-table this term.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 05, 2018, 05:23:36 PM
Post by: kramer0 on February 05, 2018, 05:53:05 PM
There's a simple solution to this...
Post by: plumber on February 05, 2018, 06:23:04 PM
Gana's been doing well when asked to sit back as a lone DM.
Not really. He's got his merits but is a poor DM. He needs a proper defensive midfielder along with him, ideally the one who can pass a ball (like Schneiderlin when he was not shit).
Post by: Lxxx on February 05, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
Not really. He's got his merits but is a poor DM. He needs a proper defensive midfielder along with him, ideally the one who can pass a ball (like Schneiderlin when he was not shit).
No he doesn't as that would totally unbalance the side, as how would we ever mount an attack with one guy sitting and another haring around all over the place chasing the ball. He needs to be the one playing with discipline and another next to him with the ability to see the game and either move through midfield with the ball or play a little further forward and be able to manipulate the ball, not be sat on the centre halves toes trying to do it.
Post by: kramer0 on February 05, 2018, 09:30:42 PM
Not really. He's got his merits but is a poor DM. He needs a proper defensive midfielder along with him, ideally the one who can pass a ball (like Schneiderlin when he was not shit).
We're fine progressing the ball with Gana and two attack-minded midfielders in the middle. It's not perfect but it works.
We're better defensively too. It's helps to have someone as quick as he is protecting the space in front of the defense, which we have a bad habit of leaving open.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 05, 2018, 09:43:09 PM
Post by: Ravardo on February 05, 2018, 11:42:00 PM
How bad schniederlin is compared to gana is shocking
Post by: Heisenberg on February 05, 2018, 11:45:24 PM
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on February 05, 2018, 11:45:51 PM
Post by: gizzblue on February 05, 2018, 11:52:58 PM
As is the norm .😅😅
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 05, 2018, 11:55:10 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 06, 2018, 12:12:45 AM
Post by: blue slug on February 06, 2018, 12:48:05 AM
Gana chasing crisp packets whilst Barton chases beak wraps.
Is that new on the menu at KFC
Post by: Silas on February 06, 2018, 02:52:48 AM
Post by: Thomas on February 06, 2018, 06:10:43 AM
The problem is our fans make assessments of players based on being a top 12 team when we are aiming to be top 6 at least.
So basically Joey, I think your a bit of an intellectual narcissistic arse hole, but well said . Quite possibly my response to your comments repeats your own mistakes of self righteousness, but you spoke the truth and our fans who back limited football and its proponents to the hilt (Niasse, Schenderlin, Gana, Ashley Williams, Allardyce) as usual don't like it one bit despite their very attitude making Barkley and Stones move on to clubs that actually win things. The same to a lesser extent has happened to Lookman who bizarrely our manager told not to sign for Leipzig as it was too big a step for him, yet he scores the winner for them the other night.
Once again - I said Naismith was shit - he's now not even in the Norwich team. I said Schnederlin was shit before the end of last season and got hell on earth for it, he is now being torn apart. I said Barry was finished and he got shifted to West Brom. I said Tom Davies is at the moment/at best Championship level and 6 months too late everybody is questioning him beyond the socks down/Ronan Keating lookalike impression he plays in centre midfield. I never had any time for Ashley Williams either.
People need to start listening because often what i say about players has frequently become the truth. We need to stop holding a candle out to limited footballers like Gana. The only genuinely good player in our team at the moment is Seamas Colmeman. The rest play like cowards who run around a pitch with complete confusion.
I love Everton and if I'm going to have to pay 45 quid for the sum of watching players like Gana being lauded by our fans, by the time we win anything I'll be dead.
Post by: bluestevie on February 06, 2018, 06:28:23 AM
I agree with Barton. Barton chose inflammatory language and its uneccesary to make comments connected to brain conditions, but I questioned Gana's ability 18 months ago to a height of abuse on here, because you cannot get into most Evertonians heads that Gana is fucking limited. Our fans make him out to be Yaya Toure or Gattusso. He isn't. He's shit. Whenever we played in Europe he got found out, and up against your Lingards and Lamelas and Erikksen's he cannot handle any players of serious quality. He can barely deal with Oxlade Chamberlain, Emre Can or Jordan Henderson.
The problem is our fans make assessments of players based on being a top 12 team when we are aiming to be top 6 at least.
So basically Joey, I think your a bit of an intellectual narcissistic arse hole, but well said . Quite possibly my response to your comments repeats your own mistakes of self righteousness, but you spoke the truth and our fans who back limited football and its proponents to the hilt (Niasse, Schenderlin, Gana, Ashley Williams, Allardyce) as usual don't like it one bit despite their very attitude making Barkley and Stones move on to clubs that actually win things. The same to a lesser extent has happened to Lookman who bizarrely our manager told not to sign for Leipzig as it was too big a step for him, yet he scores the winner for them the other night.
Once again - I said Naismith was shit - he's now not even in the Norwich team. I said Schnederlin was shit before the end of last season and got hell on earth for it, he is now being torn apart. I said Barry was finished and he got shifted to West Brom. I said Tom Davies is at the moment/at best Championship level and 6 months too late everybody is questioning him beyond the socks down/Ronan Keating lookalike impression he plays in centre midfield. I never had any time for Ashley Williams either.
People need to start listening because often what i say about players has frequently become the truth. We need to stop holding a candle out to limited footballers like Gana. The only genuinely good player in our team at the moment is Seamas Colmeman. The rest play like cowards who run around a pitch with complete confusion.
I love Everton and if I'm going to have to pay 45 quid for the sum of watching players like Gana being lauded by our fans, by the time we win anything I'll be dead.
Oh joy another Thomas lecture, bore off mate
Post by: Thomas on February 06, 2018, 06:31:38 AM
Oh joy another Thomas lecture, bore off mate
Fantastic answer. The persistence with the lad and denial that he is crap is equally boring.
Tell me why I am wrong and that Gana is so good.
I just said put up against any decent side he cannot handle it.
Be honest, him and Tom Davies are the undeserving darlings of our fans.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 06, 2018, 06:32:37 AM
Post by: Thomas on February 06, 2018, 06:35:12 AM
I'd argue we play best when both Gana and Davies play together
I dont like either of them but it beats Schenderlin and Gana.
Post by: bluestevie on February 06, 2018, 06:38:59 AM
Fantastic answer. The persistence with the lad and denial that he is crap is equally boring.
Tell me why I am wrong and that Gana is so good.
I just said put up against any decent side he cannot handle it.
Be honest, him and Tom Davies are the undeserving darlings of our fans.
Put him with someone other than Morgan Shitehawk and he thrives, Davies has been poor in recent weeks, no one would deny that. Gueye gets plaudits because more often than not he has a great game and gets himself around the pitch, often chasing tackles that Shitehawk pulls out from. Fans will always back players that put the damn shift in for that shirt
Post by: Thomas on February 06, 2018, 06:42:54 AM
Put him with someone other than Morgan Shitehawk and he thrives, Davies has been poor in recent weeks, no one would deny that. Gueye gets plaudits because more often than not he has a great game and gets himself around the pitch, often chasing tackles that Shitehawk pulls out from. Fans will always back players that put the damn shift in for that shirt
Right so at least we are talking. However does Gana possess any of the qualities needed in even a top 8 midfielder? Are we seriously playing a 7.1m midfielder up against all the level of our rivals?
Post by: Ravardo on February 06, 2018, 06:57:40 AM
While Kante is on the decline (or, perhaps more fairly, is not getting any better), there are others in the Premier League who are beginning to step up to his level.
Wilfred Ndidi, the player signed by Leicester to replace Kante, leads the way this season for the highest number of tackles (91). Behind him in second place is Everton's Idrissa Gueye, the only player other than Kante to make more than 300 tackles since August 2015 (he is on 353, 14 behind the Chelsea man).
Kante has also slipped down the pecking order for interceptions this season: his tally of 36 is one short of Gueye's 37 and is level with Southampton's Oriol Romeu, who has shone in a poor side. Morgan Schneiderlin, Nemanja Matic, Davy Propper and Yohan Cabaye have all made more interceptions than Kante, too. https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/01/10/kante-no-longer-premier-leagues-best-defensive-midfielder
Post by: Thomas on February 06, 2018, 07:01:27 AM
I reckon you aint gotta clue,,heres a snipet from a article about kante not being the best Defensive mid anymore
While Kante is on the decline (or, perhaps more fairly, is not getting any better), there are others in the Premier League who are beginning to step up to his level.
Wilfred Ndidi, the player signed by Leicester to replace Kante, leads the way this season for the highest number of tackles (91). Behind him in second place is Everton's Idrissa Gueye, the only player other than Kante to make more than 300 tackles since August 2015 (he is on 353, 14 behind the Chelsea man).
Kante has also slipped down the pecking order for interceptions this season: his tally of 36 is one short of Gueye's 37 and is level with Southampton's Oriol Romeu, who has shone in a poor side. Morgan Schneiderlin, Nemanja Matic, Davy Propper and Yohan Cabaye have all made more interceptions than Kante, too. https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/01/10/kante-no-longer-premier-leagues-best-defensive-midfielder
If you want to get all empirical about it, let me reply with this
Our manager is lauded for using stats and sports science. He used it to sign Tosun as the stats 'showed' he was the best in that price category. Other players have been signed and failed on the same basis.
Football is about opinions and what you see on the pitch, not stats. You cannot tell me Gana is better than Matic. Common sense tells you he isn't.
My point is playing with a DM purely there to break play up does not work. If you want to be a top 6 team you need a Roy Keane type player.
Like I said, our fans assess players with the mentality of a top 12 team. Its why we wanted to sign Troy Deeney in the summer for gods sake.
Post by: bluestevie on February 06, 2018, 07:12:08 AM
Right so at least we are talking. However does Gana possess any of the qualities needed in even a top 8 midfielder? Are we seriously playing a 7.1m midfielder up against all the level of our rivals?
75% success rate in tackles, 694 duels won, 106 successful 50/50s, 793 recoveries in less than 3 seasons, one of which was in a team that eventually went down and he was one of the bright sparks. Aaron Ramsey has a similar tackle rate, Kante has less, Henderson has less, Fernandinho has less, Fellaini has slightly better (and has been in and out of United team), Dembele has the best of the 6 examples I've used and even that is only 6% better than Idrissa
Post by: Ravardo on February 06, 2018, 07:16:36 AM
Post by: Thomas on February 06, 2018, 07:17:24 AM
75% success rate in tackles, 694 duels won, 106 successful 50/50s, 793 recoveries in less than 3 seasons, one of which was in a team that eventually went down and he was one of the bright sparks. Aaron Ramsey has a similar tackle rate, Kante has less, Henderson has less, Fernandinho has less, Fellaini has slightly better (and has been in and out of United team), Dembele has the best of the 6 examples I've used and even that is only 6% better than Idrissa
Are you seriously arguing Aaron Ramsey is not as good as Gana? I get you tried to make the point about perception vs reality with the Fellani example but I still think your doing what Tory ministers do when told the NHS is in crisis yet the use stats to dispute this .
What Evertonians essentially do is use stats to defend a reasonably priced car. I'll hold my hands up and say Stevie that sure, my contentions dont suit the stats. But data based analysis isn't always the best method. I mean, we can all see that with how our 'sports scientist' obssessed coach cant judge a player at all.
Post by: bluestevie on February 06, 2018, 07:26:03 AM
Are you seriously arguing Aaron Ramsey is not as good as Gana? I get you tried to make the point about perception vs reality with the Fellani example but I still think your doing what Tory ministers do when told the NHS is in crisis yet the use stats to dispute this .
What Evertonians essentially do is use stats to defend a reasonably priced car. I'll hold my hands up and say Stevie that sure, my contentions dont suit the stats. But data based analysis isn't always the best method. I mean, we can all see that with how our 'sports scientist' obssessed coach cant judge a player at all.
Where did I say Ramsey was better or worse than Gana? Ramsey is a great player, someone I'd love to see in the royal blue but that may have passed now that he's back to being a regular in the Arsenal team.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 06, 2018, 08:09:37 AM
Post by: Thomas on February 06, 2018, 08:15:09 AM
Gana is far from crap and "braindead". He's a spoiler, and a damned good one. But, he is very limited with the ball. That has to be accepted, and it's why he's at the top of his level... rather than someone like Kante who does both roles. There's a reason we got Gana for 7m, and for that he's an absolute bargain. He's not someone who will take us to the next level though.
Probably a fairer way of what I said earlier. (That isn't taking anything away from this point either Jamo)
Post by: blargins on February 06, 2018, 08:49:51 AM
He and Schneiderlin should never play together though.
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 06, 2018, 10:52:41 AM
Post by: Waltzer on February 06, 2018, 01:23:11 PM
Gana is far from crap and "braindead". He's a spoiler, and a damned good one. But, he is very limited with the ball. That has to be accepted, and it's why he's at the top of his level... rather than someone like Kante who does both roles. There's a reason we got Gana for 7m, and for that he's an absolute bargain. He's not someone who will take us to the next level though.
Wasnt the reason we got him for 7m cause he had a relegation clause, nothing to do with his ability? Gana is okay, but hes nowhere near good enough to take us to the next level, without being too disrespectful he'd have fitted in okay in the dogs of war era when it was blood and thunder, now a little more is expected
Post by: brap2 on February 06, 2018, 02:06:56 PM
Not going to get into thomas’ monthly evertonians-are-philistines-who-don’t-understand-football-like-me diatribe, as we’ve all been there before.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 06, 2018, 03:11:23 PM
Wasnt the reason we got him for 7m cause he had a relegation clause, nothing to do with his ability?
It's one and the same though, isn't it. If he was deemed to be a top, top player that clause would have been much greater.
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 06, 2018, 03:18:42 PM
Just because he's not the complete midfielder doesn't mean he's not a great DM.
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 03:19:46 PM
He's a good player and is coming in for criticism now because it's his turn. People have got sick of slagging off Williams and Morgan and the others so let's turn our attention to Pickford and Gana.
Post by: Toddacelli on February 06, 2018, 03:20:45 PM
Post by: Jamokachi on February 06, 2018, 03:27:33 PM
I don't see the relevance of his price tag?
He's a good player and is coming in for criticism now because it's his turn. People have got sick of slagging off Williams and Morgan and the others so let's turn our attention to Pickford and Gana.
Well the price is relevant (to a degree) because it's a barometer against his peers.
Just to be clear, I love the lad. Think he's superb at what he does and has been a great addition. He has flaws in his game, which are evident when he has time on the ball. Nothing wrong with admitting a player has a weakness to their game, no matter how good they are.
Post by: Lxxx on February 06, 2018, 03:36:45 PM
Post by: boothill on February 06, 2018, 03:38:59 PM
He's simply a better version of Carsley. His stats are very good but he's never going to be a top 4 player. If we want to compete we do need better but as a squad player at that stage is perfect.no no no no no, no no no, sorry blarg , but no, just no, njet, nine non.
He and Schneiderlin should never play together though.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 06, 2018, 03:39:33 PM
Post by: Waltzer on February 06, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
I don't see the relevance of his price tag?
He's a good player and is coming in for criticism now because it's his turn. People have got sick of slagging off Williams and Morgan and the others so let's turn our attention to Pickford and Gana.
I dont think its that fickle, from my point of view you need to analyse the entire team when its performing so bad, is Gueye partly responsible as he vacates his position a lot, meaning the likes of Williams, Jags etc are exposed with players running at them? I find it hard to exonerate any of our players at the moment as it dire and they're all performing terrible, a lot is to do with the manager but they should be better than this
Post by: Lxxx on February 06, 2018, 04:12:06 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 06, 2018, 04:21:52 PM
Slag off every player we sign as being shit/not good enough for us etc etc
As soon as one of them has a couple of bad games, even years down the line, rush back here to blow your own trumpet about how you called it and that you're clearly the greatest fan and everyone else knows fuck all
That just makes you a cunt
Post by: gizzblue on February 06, 2018, 05:28:11 PM
Post by: Silas on February 06, 2018, 07:25:21 PM
Post by: brap2 on February 07, 2018, 12:35:01 AM
If Rooney and Davies sit in front of him and gueye can concentrate on tackling, applying pressure, interceptions and then getting the ball to the more progressive players then absolutely no problem at all.
Post by: Goaljira on February 07, 2018, 02:16:04 AM
Right so at least we are talking. However does Gana possess any of the qualities needed in even a top 8 midfielder? Are we seriously playing a 7.1m midfielder up against all the level of our rivals?
Imagine how shit a right back that only cost £60k would be.
Post by: Gash on February 07, 2018, 02:26:25 AM
Well the price is relevant (to a degree) because it's a barometer against his peers.
The reason it was £7m was because it was a deliberately low relegation clause as Villa probably thought it would never be activated, after the season he'd had he was easily worth north if £10m without the clause. They paid £9m for him season before, which was still a decent sized fee for a player even though it was only 2 1/2 years ago.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 07, 2018, 02:29:32 AM
The reason it was £7m was because it was a deliberately low relegation clause as Villa probably thought it would never be activated, after the season he'd had he was easily worth north if £10m without the clause. They paid £9m for him season before, which was still a decent sized fee for a player even though it was only 2 1/2 years ago.
I know the reasons mate, it's still absurdly low, whether they thought relegation a possibility or not.
Post by: Gash on February 07, 2018, 02:35:16 AM
I know the reasons mate, it's still absurdly low, whether they thought relegation a possibility or not.
That was the benefit to us, getting him so cheap. The point is, as you've just said it was absurdly low so shouldn't really be used as a stick to beat him with like Thomas has or saying it's a barometer against his peers, we got him far cheaper than he would have been without the clause.
Post by: Jamokachi on February 07, 2018, 02:39:25 AM
That was the benefit to us, getting him so cheap. The point is, as you've just said it was absurdly low so shouldn't really be used as a stick to beat him with like Thomas has or saying it's a barometer against his peers, we got him far cheaper than he would have been without the clause.
Not a stick in any way. Absurdly low in comparison to how he's turned out, but a figure Villa were happy to put against his name. Desperation to get a deal done will have obviously been a factor, but if they though he was a top, top player (I'm talking CL standard) there's no way they'd have agreed, I don't think.
Post by: Gash on February 07, 2018, 02:44:40 AM
Not a stick in any way. Absurdly low in comparison to how he's turned out, but a figure Villa were happy to put against his name. Desperation to get a deal done will have obviously been a factor, but if they though he was a top, top player (I'm talking CL standard) there's no way they'd have agreed, I don't think.
That was Villa's own fault, the new owner came out and said he was angry at the previous regime insisting on release clauses, they only got £8m for Delph as well, 6 months after he'd signed a 5 year deal.
Post by: Brownie20 on February 19, 2018, 08:13:37 PM
Post by: Hawkandro on February 19, 2018, 08:30:41 PM
Story doing the rounds that he signed a contract extension back in October until 2022 according to the FA website
The mystery that is Everton's season rumbles on.
Post by: Gash on February 19, 2018, 09:07:11 PM
Story doing the rounds that he signed a contract extension back in October until 2022 according to the FA website
It was widely reported at the time that he was getting/signed a new contract but I don't think the club ever confirmed it?
Post by: Django on February 19, 2018, 09:12:25 PM
75 a week
The blues ey.
Post by: Brownie20 on February 19, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
He signed an extension back in october but no one at the club bothered to release it as news.
75 a week
The blues ey.
Bonkers
Post by: brap2 on February 19, 2018, 09:27:35 PM
Post by: TheRam on February 19, 2018, 10:25:11 PM
Can't believe he's only on 75k tbh
Post by: Ell Capitan on February 20, 2018, 01:39:18 AM
It’s probably buried away there.
Post by: Macca77 on February 20, 2018, 11:51:53 PM
Post by: brap2 on February 21, 2018, 12:33:50 AM
Post by: gizzblue on February 21, 2018, 12:49:30 AM
Post by: Goaljira on February 21, 2018, 01:18:39 AM
Post by: blargins on February 21, 2018, 01:36:04 AM
Post by: Thomas on February 27, 2018, 09:36:18 AM
Post by: Waltzer on February 27, 2018, 01:56:04 PM
I think back to Lee Carsley and cannot see much difference. At least with Carsley we finished 4th.
Carsely was much better imo, Gana isnt bad but I dont think hed get in any team above us
Post by: TheRam on February 27, 2018, 03:47:41 PM
I think back to Lee Carsley and cannot see much difference. At least with Carsley we finished 4th.
Carsley was boss so is this a compliment or criticism?
Post by: Hawkandro on February 27, 2018, 04:53:56 PM
Carsely was much better imo, Gana isnt bad but I dont think hed get in any team above us
He doesn't need a 2nd holding midfielder with him, that's why. Give him a box-to-box midfielder and let Gueye sit back and mop everything up. Him and Schneiderlin together are utterly pointless.
Post by: TheTone on February 27, 2018, 05:04:27 PM
a few pops at goal would be nice too like
Fellaini I think was the last one
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 27, 2018, 05:43:40 PM
Carsely was much better imo, Gana isnt bad but I dont think hed get in any team above us
In my humble opinion anyone who could get in team above us would be gone .
Post by: Waltzer on February 27, 2018, 08:05:57 PM
Carsley was boss so is this a compliment or criticism?
Always remember when Real Madrid signed Graveson, swear they purchased the wrong bald headed Everton midfielder as Carsley was much better at that point in time!
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 27, 2018, 08:58:09 PM
Not Real Madrid standard like but we really struggled when he left.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on February 27, 2018, 11:53:13 PM
Always remember when Real Madrid signed Graveson, swear they purchased the wrong bald headed Everton midfielder as Carsley was much better at that point in time!
i remember thinking the same thing at the time. Carsley was epic so many times.. i loved his attitude/technique and doggiedness..
cant moan tho.. we got 2.6? for a player who would have been free end of the season.. (sorry it memory is wrong)
Post by: Shogun on February 28, 2018, 12:14:40 AM
Post by: stirlingblue on February 28, 2018, 02:18:53 PM
Gana would walk into the Liverpool and Arsenal side.
He’s better than Xhaka IMO but the shite will have Keita next season who is basically Gana but good going forward too
Post by: GLewis on March 01, 2018, 01:40:52 PM
He’s better than Xhaka IMO but the shite will have Keita next season who is basically Gana but good going forward too
If he was at Arsenal he should be paired with Xhaka.
Post by: brap2 on March 01, 2018, 05:43:30 PM
If he was at Arsenal he should be paired with Xhaka.
Yeah, someone with some sense of responsibility to look after xhaka and let him get on with good on the ball work.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 01, 2018, 10:28:15 PM
He doesn't need a 2nd holding midfielder with him, that's why. Give him a box-to-box midfielder and let Gueye sit back and mop everything up. Him and Schneiderlin together are utterly pointless.
I’m not too sure. Gueye’s best quality is hunting the ball down and he leaves gaps if he’s not playin alongside someone who’s smart enough to fill in for him. Schneiderlin does that but he’s just shite at the moment. Davies too but he’s young.
I’ve heard Riquelme is a free agent.
Post by: Thomas on March 05, 2018, 08:43:33 AM
Carsely was much better imo, Gana isnt bad but I dont think hed get in any team above us
Compare Gana to Eric Dier. Who for reasons i never understood Moyes let go.
Post by: Jamokachi on March 05, 2018, 08:44:38 AM
Compare Gana to Eric Dier. Who for reasons i never understood Moyes let go.
Eric Dier was on loan. We never "let him go".
Post by: Ramjam on March 05, 2018, 10:44:39 AM
Eric Dier was on loan. We never "let him go".If I’m not mistaken we had an option to buy.
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2018, 12:16:31 PM
If I'm not mistaken we had an option to buy.
Yes but didn't have the budget at the time to make it permanent.
Post by: brap2 on March 05, 2018, 01:48:32 PM
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2018, 03:43:51 PM
Compare Gana to Eric Dier. Who for reasons i never understood Moyes let go.
What a silly statement. He was with us when he was a young boy, on loan, he admitted himself he hated it here and we didn't have the money to sign him up anyway.