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Title: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: NewsBot on August 31, 2016, 08:42:09 PM
Bramley Moore Dock update

NSNO have been given an update on the proposed Everton stadium at Bramley Moore Dock on the Liverpool waterfront.

Source: Bramley Moore Dock update (http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2016/08/bramley-moore-dock-update/)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: nsno on August 31, 2016, 09:07:15 PM
Im flabbergasted as to why the club have never thought of having a stadium on the docks before . Anybody know what the public transport links are like around the area?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bigmanbob on August 31, 2016, 09:11:55 PM
You've just got a security guard sacked  ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Lxxx on August 31, 2016, 09:16:39 PM
Im flabbergasted as to why the club have never thought of having a stadium on the docks before . Anybody know what the public transport links are like around the area?

Easily solved. You can put it on a bus route simple enough.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MarcusFenix on August 31, 2016, 09:26:09 PM
Roughly in between Sandhills and Moorfields? Near Costco?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 31, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
Most security guards I've come across can barely string a sentence together.

Nice to know they are trusted with private information nowadays.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on August 31, 2016, 10:54:26 PM
I enjoyed the home movie but why did you have to focus on Bally's keks when you got to Bramley Moore ?  :blush:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on August 31, 2016, 10:55:16 PM
I enjoyed the home movie but why did you have to focus on Bally's keks when you got to Bramley Moore ?  :blush:

hahahaha!

it was just so that it didn't look like I was filming - had no idea that's where it was pointing as I had it against my chest
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on August 31, 2016, 11:41:33 PM
hahahaha!

it was just so that it didn't look like I was filming - had no idea that's where it was pointing as I had it against my chest
........covert filming ,I see. Anyway it was good to see inside the gates ,I've never been right in.  If it comes off I'd like to see the dockers' clock made a feature of the site.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on August 31, 2016, 11:41:39 PM
Pretty architects impressions please or it didn't/might not/probably won't/definitely will happen!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: boothill on September 02, 2016, 04:15:32 AM
I used to love the bramley moore,never had a lonely night after going there  :cheers: :woohoo: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on September 18, 2016, 03:03:20 PM
Seems confident with his source:

https://twitter.com/irvine75/status/777267926172889088

https://twitter.com/irvine75/status/777401695676600320
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 18, 2016, 03:35:57 PM
Seems confident with his source:

So who's he like?

I'd be amazed if the first one to break this wasn't Anderson based on how he can't wait to spill any news on Twitter the second he's finished a conversation.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Rhys on September 18, 2016, 03:39:27 PM
Not believing anything until the Esk says Bramley is ours
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on September 18, 2016, 04:38:45 PM
was speaking to the fella who runs Bramley Moor FC yesterday and he's been told the deal is 95% done

he's not sure what the obstacles are but said "probably haggling over cost of land" so reckon once Farhad has got his way then we'll announce the deal
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on September 18, 2016, 05:07:17 PM
Very sceptical about this myself, can't see why we'd be spending money revamping Goodison if we're about to buy land and build the new goodison.

Doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on September 18, 2016, 05:09:38 PM
Very sceptical about this myself, can't see why we'd be spending money revamping Goodison if we're about to buy land and build the new goodison.

Doesn't make sense.

it's not a lot of money though is it?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on September 18, 2016, 05:16:51 PM
it's not a lot of money though is it?

I doubt it's cheap. And that tower structure at the corner of the Bullens looks pretty substantial for just tempory cladding.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on September 18, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
I doubt it's cheap. And that tower structure at the corner of the Bullens looks pretty substantial for just tempory cladding.



just a steel shell isn't it?

it's the kind of stuff they throw up in a day on Grand Designs while Kevin McLoud looks on wistfully, desperately wishing they'd done it in Scandinavian pine instead
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on September 18, 2016, 05:24:53 PM
Very sceptical about this myself, can't see why we'd be spending money revamping Goodison if we're about to buy land and build the new goodison.

Doesn't make sense.

You're very sceptical about Moshiri in general, and whether he's putting serious money into the club aren't you? Is that fair to say?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Silas on September 18, 2016, 05:25:25 PM
just a steel shell isn't it?

it's the kind of stuff they throw up in a day on Grand Designs while Kevin McLoud looks on wistfully, desperately wishing they'd done it in Scandinavian pine instead

The guy from Highlander is keen on interior design?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on September 18, 2016, 05:26:26 PM
The guy from Highlander is keen on interior design?

not at all....damn my miss-spelling!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on September 18, 2016, 05:30:02 PM
You're very sceptical about Moshiri in general, and whether he's putting serious money into the club in general aren't you? Is that fair to say?

Pretty much yeah. So far I've seen nothing to suggest he's philanthropic benefactor people make him out to be.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on September 18, 2016, 05:36:10 PM
Pretty much yeah. So far I've seen nothing to suggest he's philanthropic benefactor people make him out to be.

He's not. He's a bad ass businessman that realises the premiership is potentially a way of making lots of money.

If you get it right of course.

Signs are looking good so far.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on September 18, 2016, 05:42:44 PM
Personally I've got no doubts Moshiri will be putting his hand into deep pockets. I doubt there will be rash purchases as in the case of Niasse. I will say, "I had misgivings about the fee and the signing of Bolasie, but what do I know". He's showing my doubts to be totally unfounded. I'm very confident big money will be spent as we need to shore up our squad to cover the advent of the players leaving for the AFCON competition. We've missed a few signings but are doing very well without them. I think people need to keep the faith. I've been buzzing since Koeman got off that private jet at the John Lennon Airport. Potholes full of water and all. Come on Everton second in the table and it's purely on merit. I think the stadium will come. ;D
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 18, 2016, 06:06:01 PM
 Best case scenario involves us at Goodison for at least 3 years. Why wouldn't we want to maximise the experience for them 3 years?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 18, 2016, 06:23:20 PM
Its a shithole of an area but at least we will encourage redevelopment .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on September 18, 2016, 06:23:58 PM
Yes. It's not like we'd be moving next week.

The cladding and the tower is just a better idea than blue gravel to make things better in the short term.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on September 18, 2016, 06:48:00 PM

Pretty much yeah. So far I've seen nothing to suggest he's philanthropic benefactor people make him out to be.

I'd imagine that the club will be worth much more with a) a more successful team and b) a ground with potential for much more income.

He hasn't got enough money himself to finance it all so I don't think philanthropy is in his thinking.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 18, 2016, 11:04:34 PM
Its a shithole of an area but at least we will encourage redevelopment .

If it was a boss, up to date modern area then the costs would be a whole lot more. Blank canvas,etc.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on September 18, 2016, 11:22:16 PM
Yes its a shithole area, basically because theres nothing there at the moment, that will change if and when the stadium gets built, retailers will be falling over eachother snapping up properties in the area, loads of room for new pubs, cafes and restaurants as well
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 19, 2016, 12:42:01 AM
I wonder if Brexit makes much difference to it all. A lot of regeneration money comes from the EU. Uncertainty about future funding opportunities may not help but on the other hand new stadia have transformed several grotty areas in various cities so the potential benefit economically isn't just to the football club it's to both the city and the wider area.
Then there's the possibility of the commonwealth games and, the icing on the cake, the perfect venue for a Blondie revival concert.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: therealdunc on September 19, 2016, 01:31:38 AM
The EU money for Liverpool and the rest of the UK has dwindled over the years as more countries have joined the EU which are generally alot poorer.

The club/council is more likely to get a big pot of money from the commonwealth games if they go down the route of hosting the games.

With the tv money in the premier league, it seems strange Everton would need the money from a public source as they could borrow it quite easily.

Peel ports are not short of a pound or two, I suspect any negotiations will be around how much of the future site and profits they will receive.
It would be of no suprise if Peel Ports part funded the new stadium and wider development, they can afford it and will not want to let such a lucrative commercial opportunity pass them by
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on September 19, 2016, 01:36:15 AM
The EU money for Liverpool and the rest of the UK has dwindled over the years as more countries have joined the EU which are generally alot poorer.

The club/council is more likely to get a big pot of money from the commonwealth games if they go down the route of hosting the games.

With the tv money in the premier league, it seems strange Everton would need the money from a public source as they could borrow it quite easily.

Peel ports are not short of a pound or two, I suspect any negotiations will be around how much of the future site and profits they will receive.
It would be of no suprise if Peel Ports part funded the new stadium and wider development, they can afford it and will not want to let such a lucrative commercial opportunity pass them by

the fella behind Peel has always maintained that they don't want to build a stadium and had no interest in one being on "their land"

I reckon if we build there it will be because we make them an offer they can't refuse on the land and help kick-start their own developments off - I doubt we'd be working in a close partnership though
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 19, 2016, 01:42:52 AM
"I reckon if we build there it will be because we make them an offer they can't refuse on the land"

So some poor bugger''s about to get the fright of his life and a horse loses its head?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on September 19, 2016, 01:53:51 AM
"I reckon if we build there it will be because we make them an offer they can't refuse on the land"

So some poor bugger''s about to get the fright of his life and a horse loses its head?

all's fair....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 19, 2016, 02:12:39 AM
https://twitter.com/BramleyMooreFC/status/777568980563292160
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on September 19, 2016, 02:12:58 AM

the fella behind Peel has always maintained that they don't want to build a stadium and had no interest in one being on "their land"

I reckon if we build there it will be because we make them an offer they can't refuse on the land and help kick-start their own developments off - I doubt we'd be working in a close partnership though

I suppose he said that a while ago now.

There's not been a massive amount of movement re Liverpool Waters bar that tower that's gone for planning the other week.

I guess it's not unreasonable that they'd now think that a stadium would kick start the whole thing.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on September 19, 2016, 02:16:02 AM
https://twitter.com/BramleyMooreFC/status/777568980563292160

That was the original plan for the WHP scheme which got scrapped.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on September 19, 2016, 02:18:15 AM
It's looking like a groundshare with Bramley Moore FC  :whistle:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on September 19, 2016, 02:19:43 AM
It's looking like a groundshare with Bramley Moore FC  :whistle:

Bramley Moore V Everton - The Dockside Derby.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 19, 2016, 02:20:31 AM
I was keeping right up to date with Peel and the Mersey Gateway scheme util CABE and their ilk came close to pulling the plug on the whole thing.
He was never adamant there wouldn't be one as such. He just kept reperating that there were no plans or space in the current vision for the Liverpool Waters part of the project.

It's been scaled back so significantly though that it goes without saying plans have changed.

Also, Lizz, that can't be real.
I only say that because it is one of the most beautiful things i have ever seen and i refuse to believe we would be that lucky.
(Also, the graphic shows a city other than Liverpool behind it)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on September 19, 2016, 02:26:38 AM
From The Echo website today...........a very long article called Doughnut of Development ,Everton mentioned at the end.

Liverpool Waters (and Everton stadium)
Peel’s £5.5bn plans to transform Liverpool’s north docks will take decades to come to completion - but there are already some interesting developments proposed for some of the land.

At the MIPIM property festival in Cannes earlier this year, Peel’s Lindsey Ashworth promised that “2017 is going to be the big year for Liverpool Waters”.

Peel hopes to start work on eight separate development sites around Princes Dock this year, including an office block and three residential towers.

Among them is Moda Living’s 34-storey skyscraper, including 204 apartments - a planning permission was submitted in June.

And a little further up the waterfront the old Bramley-Moore dock - most recently home to the Sound City music festival - could soon become home to Everton’s new stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on September 19, 2016, 03:50:45 AM
https://twitter.com/BramleyMooreFC/status/777568980563292160

Needs more batman lights
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Zoolander on September 19, 2016, 03:55:10 AM

Needs more batman lights
And fire
And a Dixie Dean statue with Lasers for eyes
And fire
And a moat
And did I say fire?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on September 19, 2016, 04:14:44 AM
was speaking to the fella who runs Bramley Moor FC yesterday and he's been told the deal is 95% done

he's not sure what the obstacles are but said "probably haggling over cost of land" so reckon once Farhad has got his way then we'll announce the deal

Just waiting for Spurs to agree a deal before submitting our final offer.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on September 19, 2016, 04:23:14 AM
I wonder if when we build this stadium will we just build a stadium or will we  possibly build an Everton Museum and maybe an Everton hotel next to it?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on September 19, 2016, 04:26:46 AM
I wonder if when we build this stadium will we just build a stadium or will we  possibly build an Everton Museum and maybe an Everton hotel next to it?

Id imagine something like this would happen.

As people have stated, not much there at the minute but they are going to regenerate the whole area and our stadium, hopefully, will be a huge part of the new look waterfront.

I would imagine the stadium and the immediate area around it will generally be Everton related content with a few new pubs there as well.

Getting a bit excited now like but not too much as we know how this club can let you down, it does look like a goer though.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on September 19, 2016, 04:30:20 AM
Id imagine something like this would happen.

As people have stated, not much there at the minute but they are going to regenerate the whole area and our stadium, hopefully, will be a huge part of the new look waterfront.

I would imagine the stadium and the immediate area around it will generally be Everton related content with a few new pubs there as well.

Getting a bit excited now like but not too much as we know how this club can let you down, it does look like a goer though.

Be boss having a huge museum to go along with the stadium. Think David France could help fill it by himself to, if he was so inclined.

Be nice to have a big thing dedicated to our history at Goodison.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on September 19, 2016, 05:01:19 AM

As people have stated, not much there at the minute but they are going to regenerate the whole area and our stadium, hopefully, will be a huge part of the new look waterfront.
I would imagine the stadium and the immediate area around it will generally be Everton related content with a few new pubs there as well.

quote].................the possibilities are endless but I'm trying not to build my hopes.  :wag:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on September 20, 2016, 02:34:22 AM
Apologies if posted.

http://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2016/9/19/12971214/american-meis-architects-contracted-work-new-everton-stadium-xan-young-roma-staples-safeco-lincoln

https://twitter.com/RBMersey/status/777913950038061057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on September 20, 2016, 03:01:38 AM
Apologies if posted.

http://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2016/9/19/12971214/american-meis-architects-contracted-work-new-everton-stadium-xan-young-roma-staples-safeco-lincoln

https://twitter.com/RBMersey/status/777913950038061057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
...........I'm happy to give you a like for that Cozzie but I won't believe it until it's official. It's not unusual for architects to work on schemes that never get beyond the design stage. Here's hoping !
p.s. According to the Meis website they did a renovation study for Norwich but I don't think it has been carried through.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 20, 2016, 03:02:02 AM
They're not getting the interview now due to the NDA that had obviously been signed.

Promising though. Obviously a lot of movement behind the scenes
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on September 20, 2016, 03:28:34 AM
...........I'm happy to give you a like for that Cozzie but I won't believe it until it's official. It's not unusual for architects to work on schemes that never get beyond the design stage. Here's hoping !

^^ This, that, and more.

I do a ton of design(structural) work for clients and it never gets built.

But it's all part of the preliminary design process. They're basically just seeing how much it's going to cost. The Architects and Engineers will probably do 3-4 schemes to find the best one.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on September 20, 2016, 03:28:36 AM
They're not getting the interview now due to the NDA that had obviously been signed.

Promising though. Obviously a lot of movement behind the scenes

nah lad, as if anyone would know what was going on....it's all bollocks

or something someone said on Twitter when we posted this
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 10, 2016, 01:18:07 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/evertons-stadium-creative-quarter-how-11996050
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on October 12, 2016, 10:59:21 PM
Be boss having a huge museum to go along with the stadium. Think David France could help fill it by himself to, if he was so inclined.

Be nice to have a big thing dedicated to our history at Goodison.
Didn't he sell his collection ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 13, 2016, 12:36:20 AM
Didn't he sell his collection ?

............drat ! when I saw a new post I thought there was a bit of news  :wag:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 13, 2016, 12:48:07 AM
............drat ! when I saw a new post I thought there was a bit of news  :wag:

Same haha.

Not having a go at blue1948 at all like but proper got a bit excited then.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on October 13, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
Same haha.

Not having a go at blue1948 at all like but proper got a bit excited then.
and you Got me excited   ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 13, 2016, 04:08:28 PM
Joe Anderson is now supporting the dock and not Stonebridge cross
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 13, 2016, 04:15:26 PM
Joe Anderson is now supporting the dock and not Stonebridge cross
.............I think when he spoke as a fan he was always in favour of a dockland site . Is he now saying the same in his official role ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on October 13, 2016, 04:37:04 PM
Joe Anderson is now supporting the dock and not Stonebridge cross

We must of made some pitch, with some incredible plans for the surrounding area!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 13, 2016, 05:03:43 PM
.............I think when he spoke as a fan he was always in favour of a dockland site . Is he now saying the same in his official role ?

not sure he was speaking in an official capacity but he pretty much dismissed the idea of Stonebridge Cross the other day
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 13, 2016, 06:20:09 PM
I think if we ended up going for Stonebridge there could be a bit of back lash from a lot of fans.

Only concern about the dock would be how long it takes to improve the surrounding area, it would be a shame to have a nice stadium surrounded by wasteland and derelict buildings for several years.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 13, 2016, 06:30:25 PM
I think if we ended up going for Stonebridge there could be a bit of back lash from a lot of fans.

Only concern about the dock would be how long it takes to improve the surrounding area, it would be a shame to have a nice stadium surrounded by wasteland and derelict buildings for several years.

my main concern would be that we did what Stoke did and fill the surrounding area with car dealerships and the like

they're quick to throw up and there's already a few along that area so might just mean relocation for one or two, but they offer nothing other than space fillers on match days etc

needs to be done properly and attention to detail is key....things that offer the matchgoing fan something as well as being able to survive the rest of the week too....a hotel with a good sized bar, for instance, would be a good start
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 13, 2016, 06:35:00 PM
Couple of pubs, cafes and a poundbakery would be splendid
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 13, 2016, 06:36:06 PM
my main concern would be that we did what Stoke did and fill the surrounding area with car dealerships and the like

they're quick to throw up and there's already a few along that area so might just mean relocation for one or two, but they offer nothing other than space fillers on match days etc

needs to be done properly and attention to detail is key....things that offer the matchgoing fan something as well as being able to survive the rest of the week too....a hotel with a good sized bar, for instance, would be a good start

completely agree with that too.

Even flash apartments or office blocks offer nothing for the match goer.

Restaurants, Bars, hotels etc would be ideal, especially if there is a handy rail link to town.

Some clever city planing goes along way. The walk way near the Hilton hotel that links L1 to the docks was a revelation, i remember reading something like only 1 in 100 shoppers visited the docks if they were out shopping in town before that was there, now that figure is much much higher.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 13, 2016, 06:48:05 PM
You know what would be good ? a sort of railway on stilts running along the dock road into the city centre. Bit of a mad idea I know.........
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 13, 2016, 07:24:10 PM
We're gonna need chippies, bookies and boozers built in the same area

Everyone's had a cheeky KFC before the match too,we will need one of them
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluenose 91 on October 13, 2016, 07:30:35 PM
Couldn't they just build an exact replica of County Road on the dock?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on October 13, 2016, 07:47:26 PM
Wonder of the Kopite security guard will let him in to wonder round or will he just have to peer through the gates?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/13/everton-farhad-moshiri-proposed-sites-new-stadium
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 13, 2016, 07:51:47 PM
Do we reckon it will need cladding?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on October 13, 2016, 08:04:05 PM
Do we reckon it will need cladding?


Let's not run before we can walk hey Dunc!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 13, 2016, 10:10:18 PM

For anyone interested in how B-M Dock used to look ,about 29.5 minutes into this link it shows the old dock and the switchback where the overhead railway dropped down to allow the dock railway to cross over. Also in view is the tobacco warehouse complex ,now part of which is the Titanic Hotel.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on October 13, 2016, 10:17:16 PM
Hoping they build just one cash machine so I still have to que up for 20 minutes to get cash out.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on October 14, 2016, 03:07:06 AM
I think a railway would make the difference but then again it would make people bypass the area.  It makes me so happy though to see the restoration of an old railway line or the destruction of a high rise tower block.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Everton Mint on October 14, 2016, 03:59:37 AM
Like the Kings Dock suggestion before, in terms of access, and especially road access, the fact that one entire direction of travel would be closed off due to the River always makes me concerned.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on October 14, 2016, 04:25:25 AM
I don't see how the transport would work with Stonebridge.

The nearest train station is a good 30 minute walk away and there's only two buses that go near their from town. With it being on the lancs that can easily be rectified I suppose.

Also, the traffic is horrific there at the best of times never mind with a footie stadium thrown into the mix.

With the docks you have no such issue. It's a 10 minute walk from the nearest station in a pretty derelict part of the city with easy potential for transport links with it being on the dock road.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 14, 2016, 04:37:18 AM
I don't see how the transport would work with Stonebridge.

The nearest train station is a good 30 minute walk away and there's only two buses that go near their from town. With it being on the lancs that can easily be rectified I suppose.

Also, the traffic is horrific there at the best of times never mind with a footie stadium thrown into the mix.

With the docks you have no such issue. It's a 10 minute walk from the nearest station in a pretty derelict part of the city with easy potential for transport links with it being on the dock road.

but it's near a motorway lad, and motorway junctions never - ever - get chocker, especially not with 40,000 football fans trying to get onto them

the buses would be a nightmare - the distance means turnaround would be longer for a start

at the docks, you widen the road, and you have easy access to the exact same roads that are used to disperse from Goodison, except if you are clever then you widen the approach to the Wallasey tunnel as well and bang, traffic is gone
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on October 14, 2016, 04:38:58 AM
but it's near a motorway lad, and motorway junctions never - ever - get chocker, especially not with 40,000 football fans trying to get onto them

the buses would be a nightmare - the distance means turnaround would be longer for a start

at the docks, you widen the road, and you have easy access to the exact same roads that are used to disperse from Goodison, except if you are clever then you widen the approach to the Wallasey tunnel as well and bang, traffic is gone

Have you heard any whispers about what's going on with all this? You can tell me, I won't say anything to anyone.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 14, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
Have you heard any whispers about what's going on with all this? You can tell me, I won't say anything to anyone.

we've not bought the land yet, but apparently once that's dealt with the plans for sorting the land out are pretty much just ready to be put into action

naturally people are very coy over stuff, but the general gist is that plans are there and an architect is working with the club

I have a feeling that once the finances and land ownership is sorted then it'll actually move very, very quickly
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on October 14, 2016, 04:44:45 AM
we've not bought the land yet, but apparently once that's dealt with the plans for sorting the land out are pretty much just ready to be put into action

naturally people are very coy over stuff, but the general gist is that plans are there and an architect is working with the club

I have a feeling that once the finances and land ownership is sorted then it'll actually move very, very quickly

So it's a matter of haggling over the price for the land, and then we can crack on?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 14, 2016, 05:06:53 AM
Isnt this the guy that is meant to be designing the stadium?

Apparently he is in Liverpool.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BLgqd6Lh5ak/

Dunno how legit it is like.

I'm clinging on to anything at the minute lol.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 14, 2016, 05:11:36 AM
Isnt this the guy that is meant to be designing the stadium?

Apparently he is in Liverpool.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BLgqd6Lh5ak/

Dunno how legit it is like.

I'm clinging on to anything at the minute lol.

there's a few - obviously we want people to compete for the "winning" design
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alfie Noakes on October 14, 2016, 05:23:41 AM
Really hoping this will happen. A stadium on the docks would be incredible.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 14, 2016, 02:37:32 PM
Surely the club know that close to a 100% of Evertonians want the stadium on the Docks rather than the other one?

Let's hope they take this into account
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Rhys on October 14, 2016, 03:02:14 PM
So it's a matter of haggling over the price for the land, and then we can crack on?

I won't believe it until moshiri has text Jim White to watch this space.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on October 14, 2016, 03:23:26 PM

Surely the club know that close to a 100% of Evertonians want the stadium on the Docks rather than the other one?

Let's hope they take this into account

I'm sure they do.

If Joe Anderson, who is responsible for the land of the other option, is so behind the docks then he must know that EFC really want the docks otherwise, whatever personal preference, he'd be more coy because we'd have to push the publicity for Stonebridge Cross.

He'll also know the Peel people very well so will have both angles.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 14, 2016, 03:26:16 PM
So it's a matter of haggling over the price for the land, and then we can crack on?

I don't think it's the price of the land, if the rumoured £30m is correct.
I think Peel and the city probably want us to help regenerate other parts of that area.
I can imagine a colossal amount of conditions that go with the sale of the land.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Silas on October 14, 2016, 03:31:53 PM
Hoping they build just one cash machine so I still have to que up for 20 minutes to get cash out.

Fucking rookie you mate. Cash machine by the elm tree
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 14, 2016, 03:34:39 PM
Dont know if its already been posted but the Guardian reckon Moshiri will be looking at 2 sites in the city today, one of which is believed to be Bramley Moore
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 14, 2016, 03:37:54 PM
Shit just got real

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-stadium-update-leading-architect-12022960
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on October 14, 2016, 04:07:12 PM
Do you think all these potential sites are down to Moshiri or just good timing?
Whatever happens (bar something catastrophic) if Moshiri delivers the stadium he'll be seen as a modern legend who hopefully brings us back to the big time.
Yes it's a long way off and nothing's even concrete yet but you get the feeling that Moshiri knows business and how to do business well.
Can't f@"king wait!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on October 14, 2016, 04:11:50 PM
Shit just got real

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-stadium-update-leading-architect-12022960

Goosebumps. The day we leave The Grand Old Lady will be a sad day.  Soaked in so much history. I as much as any fan want to stay where we are but it's never going to be viable.
Hopefully playing Champions League when we move in! Well one can dream!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: van der Meyde on October 14, 2016, 04:18:13 PM
Fucking rookie you mate. Cash machine by the elm tree
Why go that far? The one by Duncan's rarely lets you down.

Honourable mention to the cash machine at the shop just past the Brick too.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 14, 2016, 04:37:30 PM
Do you think all these potential sites are down to Moshiri or just good timing?
Whatever happens (bar something catastrophic) if Moshiri delivers the stadium he'll be seen as a modern legend who hopefully brings us back to the big time.
Yes it's a long way off and nothing's even concrete yet but you get the feeling that Moshiri knows business and how to do business well.
Can't f@"king wait!

I think it was the main reason for him coming aboard to be honest. Dunno if he was around during th einitial planning for the Emirates, but it seemed to be point #1 on his agenda. Deffo not a coincidence.


The cash machine outside the tesco should be the point of call for all us south seftoners.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 14, 2016, 04:52:11 PM
Shit just got real

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-stadium-update-leading-architect-12022960

so they read this thread and posted a story about an Instagram post, padding it out with information about who the architect is
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 14, 2016, 04:53:49 PM
so they read this thread and posted a story about an Instagram post, padding it out with information about who the architect is

It would appear so, yes.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 14, 2016, 05:34:29 PM
so they read this thread and posted a story about an Instagram post, padding it out with information about who the architect is

That's how modern journalism works. Get something from twitter, embellish is with info from 2 mins of googling and then publish.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 14, 2016, 07:03:44 PM
Ive just drove passed Bramley Moore and there was quite a few photographers and press outside the entrance. Theres a pub opposite called The Bramley, could be our new local eh
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 14, 2016, 07:04:38 PM
Ive just drove passed Bramley Moore and there was quiet a few photographers and press outside the entrance. Theres a pub opposite called The Bramley, could be our new local eh

They have a twitter acocunt and are live tweetings all the posh people in posh coats appearing today:

https://twitter.com/BramleyMoorePub
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 14, 2016, 07:14:28 PM
They have a twitter acocunt and are live tweetings all the posh people in posh coats appearing today:

https://twitter.com/BramleyMoorePub

Ooooh interesting
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 14, 2016, 08:41:06 PM
Looks like a mob meeting where the main guys have brought their slightly befuddled old dons.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 14, 2016, 08:45:38 PM
I'm a tad excited here.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 14, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
Looks like a mob meeting where the main guys have brought their slightly befuddled old dons.


............like a funeral scene from The Sopranos . Have they been to Crocky yet ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on October 14, 2016, 08:51:57 PM
Wait till he gets a load of Croxteth.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 14, 2016, 09:05:13 PM
That one getting the hug in the bottom picture may now be sleeping with the Mersey fishes.
Oh, and there's a horses head waiting for collection at the other site.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 14, 2016, 09:21:56 PM
That one getting the hug in the bottom picture may now be sleeping with the Mersey fishes.
Oh, and there's a horses head waiting for collection at the other site.

I suspect the one receiving the hug is the most corrupt and gangster of them all to be honest
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 14, 2016, 09:53:30 PM
Fucking Elstone chuckling in the background there, wish the Piz Buin bell end would fuck off.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 14, 2016, 09:58:13 PM
nobody got excited when me and @Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) wandered around that dock the other month
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Rhys on October 14, 2016, 10:19:42 PM
Do you think all these potential sites are down to Moshiri or just good timing?
Whatever happens (bar something catastrophic) if Moshiri delivers the stadium he'll be seen as a modern legend who hopefully brings us back to the big time.
Yes it's a long way off and nothing's even concrete yet but you get the feeling that Moshiri knows business and how to do business well.
Can't f@"king wait!

It's down to him because we finally have a way of funding something without begging the council to pay for it or looking for a partnership like tesco to do it with. Previously we would be limited by sites purely because if we did a tesco type deal it would only be where they wanted something, Kirkby, not where was best for us.

Now we finally have something where we can choose the option which suits us, which why after all these years for the first time I actually feel confident we will get something sorted and will be something most of the fans will be happy with rather than the 52% or whatever it was that said yes to Kirkby.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on October 14, 2016, 10:52:05 PM
So what we gonna call it then? 😉 Best one gets a like! 😂
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on October 14, 2016, 10:56:07 PM
So what we gonna call it then? 😉 Best one gets a like! 😂

The fuck your main stand arena.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 14, 2016, 11:03:10 PM
all I want is a big set of gallows next to the stadium

makes the song "Royal Blue Mersey" all the more sinister then, doesn't it
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 14, 2016, 11:20:48 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-everton-stadium-what-architect-12025588
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on October 14, 2016, 11:22:22 PM
The fuck your main stand arena.

Don't care what anyone else says, this wins hands down! 😂😂
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 14, 2016, 11:26:32 PM
Looks like a mob meeting where the main guys have brought their slightly befuddled old dons.



The fucks Robbie Keane doing there?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on October 14, 2016, 11:32:20 PM
I hope it's not going to be round. I don't like round stadiums
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 15, 2016, 12:04:04 AM
I hope it's not going to be round. I don't like round stadiums
Shit name that
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 15, 2016, 12:07:05 AM
Can you imagine the fume from the redshites when this gets the go ahead, will be hilarious to listen to
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on October 15, 2016, 12:17:22 AM
Who cares about them. Can we just have fun in the Oumar Niasse arena
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on October 15, 2016, 12:17:51 AM
The Confucius Colleseum.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 15, 2016, 12:33:32 AM
Shit name that

How about the "Steve Round" arena?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on October 15, 2016, 01:36:54 AM
The Metalloinvest stadium will do fine for me
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: therealdunc on October 15, 2016, 01:59:13 AM
the robert elstone arena
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Silas on October 15, 2016, 02:07:24 AM
Watch this space
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 15, 2016, 02:18:00 AM
"Ringfenced"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on October 15, 2016, 02:25:59 AM
I like the blue roof and yellow walls, but I was expecting something bigger.

(http://i2.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article12026156.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Quick.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 15, 2016, 03:58:53 AM
The "A few old fellas walk round a dock and everyone wets themselves" Arena
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 15, 2016, 05:44:08 AM
The MOSH-pit.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on October 15, 2016, 04:09:07 PM
The " pride of the Mersey stadium" or " first and best you redshite twats" arena
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on October 15, 2016, 04:17:46 PM
the robert elstone arena

New Sun centre then ?

The Blue Camp. The Royal Blue Mersey Stadium. The Waterfront Arena.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on October 15, 2016, 04:21:01 PM
The 'It'll be named after whatever company will pay the most to get naming rights' arena.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on October 15, 2016, 04:23:52 PM
Yeah one things for sure - it'll definitely have naming rights sold for a number of years and be referred to that. None ever calls the Emirates 'Ashburton Grove'.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on October 15, 2016, 04:25:28 PM
Corinthian Stadium, Royal Blue Mersey Stadium
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: eame on October 15, 2016, 04:26:44 PM
Can you imagine the fume from the redshites when this gets the go ahead, will be hilarious to listen to

Be great if it was before the next derby at analfield, singing shitty ground to them, ya new stand is shite!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 15, 2016, 04:31:43 PM
The school of science.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 15, 2016, 04:33:02 PM
The Richard Wright easy access turnstiles Stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 15, 2016, 04:58:02 PM
What about Jaguar / Land Rover ? big employer on Merseyside but I don't recall them or Ford sponsoring a team or stadium .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 15, 2016, 05:05:44 PM
"Bramley Moore Dock"

no idea where the idea came from there like, but I like it
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 15, 2016, 05:25:18 PM
It will be named whoevwr gets the sponsorship rights too it.

Usmanovs company I would be happy with.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MarcusFenix on October 15, 2016, 05:25:48 PM
If our new stadium is to have a name attached it has to be a global brand with massive kudos, it cannot be the 'Wonga' or 'We Buy Any Car' arena
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 15, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
If our new stadium is to have a name attached it has to be a global brand with massive kudos, it cannot be the 'Wonga' or 'We Buy Any Car' arena

Imagine if Home Bargains or Asda sponsored it

Would just annoy me people saying

Home and bargains arena or 'The' Asda stadium!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on October 15, 2016, 06:49:28 PM
Corinthian Stadium, Royal Blue Mersey Stadium

Like both of those.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: hill135 on October 15, 2016, 06:52:34 PM
Piz Buin to call in the favour Elstone owes them for keeping him flush with the old shake-and-bake for so long and have their name plastered all over it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on October 15, 2016, 07:23:27 PM
Not sure whether any of Usmanovs company would see the benefit of a stadium sponsorship.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 15, 2016, 07:52:10 PM
Even if his companies wanted to - why would he want to finance a competitor team in arsenal's league?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on October 15, 2016, 07:58:49 PM
Even if his companies wanted to - why would he want to finance a competitor team in arsenal's league?
because he will sell his shares in Arsenal and join his friend at Everton ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 15, 2016, 08:43:49 PM
because he will sell his shares in Arsenal and join his friend at Everton ?

this is the new David Nugent story story isn't it
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on October 15, 2016, 09:14:14 PM
this is the new David Nugent story story isn't it
ha ha... probably
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on October 15, 2016, 10:20:39 PM
this is the new David Nugent story story isn't it
ha ha... probably
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: therealdunc on October 16, 2016, 02:37:59 AM
peel ports want a stake in the development, and everton are happy to allow them a small percentage provided the price is right.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Chris on October 16, 2016, 02:41:03 AM
Joe Anderson has just replied to some lad on twitter saying 'sorted' seemingly in reference to the stadium...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on October 16, 2016, 03:34:00 AM
My cock cannot be teased anymore.

Please secure this Everton.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on October 19, 2016, 04:36:23 AM
https://twitter.com/Meisarch/status/788492893337956352
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 20, 2016, 12:44:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Meisarch/status/788492893337956352

so it'll look like Goodison then
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 20, 2016, 02:11:15 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/new-everton-stadium-could-worth-12050327
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 20, 2016, 03:40:08 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/new-everton-stadium-could-worth-12050327
............good to see the BM site being talked up .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on October 21, 2016, 02:06:21 AM
Not seen it mentioned on here but the much maligned (by some) watched toffee has posted that the prudential mortgage has been settled.

I believe that this was the loan that stopped the "annexe".

If that's right I believe we are now free to sell/swap the land goodison is built on. Doing a land swap with peel may be something appealing to them And speed up the process of acquiring the Branmley Moore plot.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on October 21, 2016, 02:25:18 AM
Not seen it mentioned on here but the much maligned (by some) watched toffee has posted that the prudential mortgage has been settled.

I believe that this was the loan that stopped the "annexe".

If that's right I believe we are now free to sell/swap the land goodison is built on. Doing a land swap with peel may be something appealing to them And speed up the process of acquiring the Branmley Moore plot.
Is that what was originally the Bear Stearns loan?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on October 21, 2016, 02:45:41 AM
Is that what was originally the Bear Stearns loan?

Yeah that's what I understand. Not sure if we refinanced it or prudential took it over from bear stearns.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on October 21, 2016, 02:50:41 AM
Yeah that's what I understand. Not sure if we refinanced it or prudential took it over from bear stearns.
Well Bear Stearns went bust, so I assume it just got transfered?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on October 21, 2016, 02:52:19 AM
Well Bear Stearns went bust, so I assume it just got transfered?
That would explain it then.  I just remember it was prudential who stopped elstones office and cornershop project.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Omar on October 21, 2016, 10:47:34 PM
I see that the Bramley-Moore Dock is adjacent to the water treatment facility. Is that wastewater or drinking water treatment?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Corinthian on October 22, 2016, 12:16:59 AM
Not seen it mentioned on here but the much maligned (by some) watched toffee has posted that the prudential mortgage has been settled.

I believe that this was the loan that stopped the "annexe".

If that's right I believe we are now free to sell/swap the land goodison is built on. Doing a land swap with peel may be something appealing to them And speed up the process of acquiring the Branmley Moore plot.



Good news indeed are there any links to that info'?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 22, 2016, 12:29:17 AM
it only had about 6 years left to run, so probably a good bit of business (the six years is based on reports from the time, but club officials have since said it was done over 25 years, so 11 years, but still we're over halfway into the deal and the money has been repaid in full, so the settlement will have been an agreed amount based on the interest)

the info will have come from Company's House, @Corinthian (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1892) so you could pay whatever fee they charge for the document (think it's a quid?) but that's where WT tends to get his info from
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Corinthian on October 22, 2016, 12:37:26 AM
it only had about 6 years left to run, so probably a good bit of business (the six years is based on reports from the time, but club officials have since said it was done over 25 years, so 11 years, but still we're over halfway into the deal and the money has been repaid in full, so the settlement will have been an agreed amount based on the interest)

the info will have come from Company's House, @Corinthian (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1892) so you could pay whatever fee they charge for the document (think it's a quid?) but that's where WT tends to get his info from


Thanks Simon
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on October 22, 2016, 01:30:20 AM
it only had about 6 years left to run, so probably a good bit of business (the six years is based on reports from the time, but club officials have since said it was done over 25 years, so 11 years, but still we're over halfway into the deal and the money has been repaid in full, so the settlement will have been an agreed amount based on the interest)

Was that the loan that we had agreed a small percentage of our season ticket sales as part of our repayment ? Sure I've heard that over the years ...Or I've dreamt it up.

the info will have come from Company's House, @Corinthian (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1892) so you could pay whatever fee they charge for the document (think it's a quid?) but that's where WT tends to get his info from
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Heisenberg on October 22, 2016, 01:49:36 AM
I see that the Bramley-Moore Dock is adjacent to the water treatment facility. Is that wastewater or drinking water treatment?

I seen someone on Twitter saying the smell can be unbareable down there at times
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on October 22, 2016, 05:32:53 AM
it only had about 6 years left to run, so probably a good bit of business (the six years is based on reports from the time, but club officials have since said it was done over 25 years, so 11 years, but still we're over halfway into the deal and the money has been repaid in full, so the settlement will have been an agreed amount based on the interest)

the info will have come from Company's House, @Corinthian (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1892) so you could pay whatever fee they charge for the document (think it's a quid?) but that's where WT tends to get his info from

I think the point of doing this is less the cost which on a month by month/year by year basis wouldn't have been too prohibitive. Obviously saving 6-11 years interest (depending on the real timescale) is a benefit but the main benefit is, I think, removing any restrictions or controls on the land GP is on Which allows us to sell without any hinderance. Which in my eyes is a great sign/hint that the new ground deal is moving along (quicker than the bloody cladding is). Whichever way it works tho it's a good sign that moshiri is looking to do things his way. yeah
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue slug on October 22, 2016, 05:37:50 AM
I see that the Bramley-Moore Dock is adjacent to the water treatment facility. Is that wastewater or drinking water treatment?

Depends how hungover you are I suppose
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 22, 2016, 07:11:20 AM
well there's a huge fire about 500 yards away at the moment that's been blazing for well over an hour with flames about 40 foot tall

and yeah, the smell at Bramley Dock was horrendous when we went down there on deadline day, I thought @Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) had farted at first
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Blake on October 22, 2016, 03:09:40 PM

Good news indeed are there any links to that info'?

Info is free on companies house

Two records from 5th Oct : https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00036624/filing-history

Phillyt is right in terms of releasing any restrictions on goodison is main positive. But removing our primary long term debt is still a positive. Especially at just under 8% interest. Repayments were in the ballpark of just under £3m pa I think, with the 25 year loan starting in 2002. So it had plenty of time to run.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 22, 2016, 03:21:55 PM
well there's a huge fire about 500 yards away at the moment that's been blazing for well over an hour with flames about 40 foot tall

and yeah, the smell at Bramley Dock was horrendous when we went down there on deadline day, I thought @Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) had farted at first

Can see the smoke from my house. I work up the road from Bramley Moor by the titanic hotel and it confirm is does stink, its awful on a warm day
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on October 22, 2016, 04:39:26 PM
well there's a huge fire about 500 yards away at the moment that's been blazing for well over an hour with flames about 40 foot tall

and yeah, the smell at Bramley Dock was horrendous when we went down there on deadline day, I thought @Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) had farted at first
Insurance job
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on October 22, 2016, 05:28:38 PM
Insurance job

scrap metal dealer apparently, must have taken some heat to get that started!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on October 22, 2016, 05:29:20 PM
scrap metal dealer apparently, must have taken some heat to get that started!
Jet fuel then hahaha
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: eame on October 22, 2016, 06:07:53 PM
I seen someone on Twitter saying the smell can be unbareable down there at times

Only on derby days soon though..
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on October 22, 2016, 06:20:52 PM
The smell can be horrendous down there like.

But so can Stonebridge as its opposite a sewerage plant.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: brap2 on October 22, 2016, 06:32:05 PM
Can't believe we're going to get a stinky stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 22, 2016, 07:23:46 PM
Can't believe we're going to get a stinky stadium.

The only smell will be the smell of victory

Coyb!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 22, 2016, 07:25:52 PM
Can't believe we're going to get a stinky stadium.
..............maybe that's why some people want to put a roof on it .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bigjmill on October 22, 2016, 07:31:27 PM
I used to see a girl down that way and I can confirm if your not used to being by the docks the smell is terrible at times.

We can use that to our home advantage ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Danny on October 22, 2016, 08:06:01 PM
I used to see a girl down that way and I can confirm if your not used to being by the docks the smell is terrible at times.

We can use that to our home advantage ;)

Loves a bit of filth does Big J!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on October 22, 2016, 08:10:26 PM
The smell can be horrendous down there like.

But so can Stonebridge as its opposite a sewerage plant.


Just our luck isn't it next to the Shite in Walton and no matter where we move it will be the same
When I was at the college of building  the teacher told us that sewage farms cover a turd of the country
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: everton1952 on October 22, 2016, 08:11:26 PM
Doesn't Analfield stink anyway?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Omar on October 22, 2016, 08:46:03 PM
Sorry to bring that up lads, but it had to be mentioned. On the positive, Farhad should be able to get the land at a steal.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on October 22, 2016, 09:51:23 PM
Fuck the smell, our world class stadium will mask it
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on October 25, 2016, 06:16:02 AM
Can't believe we're going to get a stinky stadium.

Wouldn't be happy with that :(
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: carolinablue on October 26, 2016, 07:30:44 PM
Sorry to bring that up lads, but it had to be mentioned. On the positive, Farhad should be able to get the land at a steal.
Or a stool
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: formerKHL on October 26, 2016, 09:06:36 PM
" if you build it...they will come"........
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bacon sarnie on October 26, 2016, 09:28:11 PM
I seen someone on Twitter saying the smell can be unbareable down there at times

Docktor Poo?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 26, 2016, 11:02:44 PM
What about Jaguar / Land Rover ? big employer on Merseyside but I don't recall them or Ford sponsoring a team or stadium .

I'd rather not feel like I was going to work.

If we get to name it what we want then "The Mersey" would be my choice.

That'd sound good on Match of the Day... "Next we see Spurs visit The Mersey, where Everton look to extend their lead at the top of the table"..... Ahhhh
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on October 26, 2016, 11:35:16 PM
I'd rather not feel like I was going to work.

If we get to name it what we want then "The Mersey" would be my choice.

That'd sound good on Match of the Day... "Next we see Spurs visit The Mersey, where Everton look to extend their lead at the top of the table"..... Ahhhh
...........fair enough but I was thinking more about the team than the stadium. Jaguar would be preferable to elephant piss.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on November 17, 2016, 10:39:00 PM
I see Sound City are moving from the Bramley Moore Dock to the Clarence Dock next summer.

Could be 2 + 2 = 5 etc.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on November 17, 2016, 11:22:17 PM
I see Sound City are moving from the Bramley Moore Dock to the Clarence Dock next summer.

Could be 2 + 2 = 5 etc.
Where have you heard that... just googled Sound City - not being from the city I thought it was a big music store...  According to there website they state Sound City will be returning to the beautiful, historic site of Bramley-Moore Dock, a key part of the city's trade heritage.
https://www.festicket.com/festival/liverpool-sound-city-2017/#festival-location   If they are moving something big must be on it's way to Bramley Moore Dock
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on November 18, 2016, 12:10:17 AM
http://www.getintothis.co.uk/2016/11/liverpool-sound-city-2017-move-clarence-dock-10th-birthday-edition/
Title: Club says they're not considering safe standing areas.
Post by: SteB on November 18, 2016, 06:27:13 AM
...disappointing if that is the case for the new stadium.

(the question gets asked at 9:54 and a spokesman answers off camera)
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2016/11/17/live-press-conference
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on November 18, 2016, 07:09:37 AM
As the Goodison makeover thread is locked, I thought I would post this on here. It doesn't look like an Artist's impression. Has it got this far then?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on November 18, 2016, 08:25:19 AM
As the Goodison makeover thread is locked, I thought I would post this on here. It doesn't look like an Artist's impression. Has it got this far then?

artist impression that mate
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on November 18, 2016, 09:05:25 AM
artist impression that mate



Yeah I realise that now thanks. It was a tweet and about 4or 5 tweets after that, there was a pic of one of the O's in the fabrication factory. :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on November 18, 2016, 09:15:44 AM


Yeah I realise that now thanks. It was a tweet and about 4or 5 tweets after that, there was a pic of one of the O's in the fabrication factory. :)

can you post the tweet?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on November 18, 2016, 09:27:38 AM
can you post the tweet?



I'm not sure if this will come out, but here you are.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxgO-EJWQAAdVfI.jpg



Only the pic basically mate. The tweet only said Goodison anyway.


Here's the O as well :) Which for whatever reason hasn't transferred :-\



Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on November 18, 2016, 11:01:40 AM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/799408574686494720
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on November 18, 2016, 11:07:44 AM
https://twitter.com/EvertonBlueArmy/status/799408574686494720



Aha. There's the elusive O. Nice one. :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on November 18, 2016, 02:13:09 PM
Reopen the makeover thread!!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on November 18, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
As the Goodison makeover thread is locked, I thought I would post this on here. It doesn't look like an Artist's impression. Has it got this far then?

No mate, not even close, it's an artists impression.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on November 18, 2016, 09:24:32 PM
Lifted from another site but an interesting look at B-M Dock buildings . Hope they can be saved/restored

http://www.thetopbalcony.com/bramley-moore-dock-buildings-form-part-evertons-new-stadium/140
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on November 18, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
Would the ground not be on the big flat piece of land at the top of that picture as opposed to actually filling in the dock?

That's where it looked like the pictures of the "meeting" were taken and also, i assume, where Sound City was staged.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on November 18, 2016, 10:22:59 PM
Would the ground not be on the big flat piece of land at the top of that picture as opposed to actually filling in the dock?

That's where it looked like the pictures of the "meeting" were taken and also, i assume, where Sound City was staged.
......I dare say it could be on that site but that is/was Trafalgar Dock isn't it ?  I thought we were going for B-M dock which  is the one with the big double entrance opposite the pub. The name of the dock is set in the wall just up from there. Don't mind where on the docks it is really.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on November 18, 2016, 10:27:26 PM

......I dare say it could be on that site but that is/was Trafalgar Dock isn't it ?  I thought we were going for B-M dock which  is the one with the big double entrance opposite the pub. The name of the dock is set in the wall just up from there. Don't mind where on the docks it is really.

No i know it's confusing

Sound City was billed as BM dock but as you say that is water.

Not sure why that wouldn't have been classed as Trafalgar Dock as no one is bothered about that?!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: van der Meyde on November 18, 2016, 11:57:10 PM
No i know it's confusing

Sound City was billed as BM dock but as you say that is water.

Not sure why that wouldn't have been classed as Trafalgar Dock as no one is bothered about that?!
If I recall correctly, you entered Sound City through the BM gates opposite the pub and then the festival site was the warehouses on the strip perpendicular to Regent Road and on the strip next to the river, parallel to Regent Road, so festival was probably still BM dock.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on November 19, 2016, 03:08:19 AM
they're talking about filling in the dock in all the stories I hear

wasn't it once designed to be a dry dock anyway?  would it be impossible to close some gates, drain it, and then fill it in quite quickly?


also, does that allow us to "build" ground works before filling in the dock, effectively saving time?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on November 19, 2016, 03:17:00 AM

they're talking about filling in the dock in all the stories I hear

wasn't it once designed to be a dry dock anyway?  would it be impossible to close some gates, drain it, and then fill it in quite quickly?


also, does that allow us to "build" ground works before filling in the dock, effectively saving time?

Don't know.

:)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on November 19, 2016, 04:02:10 AM
they're talking about filling in the dock in all the stories I hear

wasn't it once designed to be a dry dock anyway?  would it be impossible to close some gates, drain it, and then fill it in quite quickly?


also, does that allow us to "build" ground works before filling in the dock, effectively saving time?
............B-M dock is too big to be a dry dock. The ones I've worked in are usually built to accommodate one ship at a time and have stepped sides .
If you mean building ground works on the dock bottom ,it depends what was put in in 1848 ! I assume a concrete raft ,many metres thick ,would need to be installed before any new building was carried out.
There seems to be a bit of confusion at the moment about where exactly the proposed stadium site is . Is it B-M dock itself or a piece of land near to it ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on November 19, 2016, 05:08:06 AM
............B-M dock is too big to be a dry dock. The ones I've worked in are usually built to accommodate one ship at a time and have stepped sides .
If you mean building ground works on the dock bottom ,it depends what was put in in 1848 ! I assume a concrete raft ,many metres thick ,would need to be installed before any new building was carried out.
There seems to be a bit of confusion at the moment about where exactly the proposed stadium site is . Is it B-M dock itself or a piece of land near to it ?
Surely there is enough bullshit on the ko**ite forums and GOT to provide more than enough infill?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on November 28, 2016, 07:02:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/803221625583845376
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on November 28, 2016, 07:25:58 PM
How long before one of the hilarious reds will photoshop the pic replacing the G with a W?


Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on November 30, 2016, 01:00:48 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Everton/status/803535177695789056
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 30, 2016, 03:38:07 AM
Yay Christmas lights!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on November 30, 2016, 04:08:08 AM
It's a beautiful thing
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on November 30, 2016, 04:10:08 AM
Yay Christmas lights!

I found this interesting, but others probably don't

Everton don't let their own staff put the decorations up - they pay a professional Christmas decorating company to do it (I dare say they do stuff other than Christmas decorations too, or they'd be bored out of their arses the rest of the year!)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on November 30, 2016, 04:30:24 AM
I found this interesting, but others probably don't

Everton don't let their own staff put the decorations up - they pay a professional Christmas decorating company to do it (I dare say they do stuff other than Christmas decorations too, or they'd be bored out of their arses the rest of the year!)

If they let their own staff do it then they'd be liable should anything happen to anyone whilst putting them up, or someone fell over them, or if they caught fire.

Paying someone else to do it takes away the h&s aspect as well as any decorations rented will have been PAT tested should they be electric.

Edit

The other reason could be they just want full control over what goes up, yo prevent people taking in what they want and having loads of horrible gaudi shit all over the place.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on November 30, 2016, 07:27:18 AM
The other reason could be they just want full control over what goes up, yo prevent people taking in what they want and having loads of horrible gaudi shit all over the place.

Stops that spotty, Liverpool supporting teenager who works in the ticket office plastering the place in red tinsel.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on November 30, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
Stops that spotty, Liverpool supporting teenager who works in the ticket office plastering the place in red tinsel.
They should let him do that so it gives them a legit reason to take him out the back of the park end and give him a shoeing.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on November 30, 2016, 03:56:31 PM
prevent people taking in what they want and having loads of horrible gaudi shit all over the place.
(https://josefeene.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/chimneys.jpg?w=240)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on November 30, 2016, 08:28:56 PM
Interesting for comparisons...

http://www.sportsmanagement.co.uk/news?codeid=328671

Feyenoord's proposed stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on December 01, 2016, 01:48:23 AM
A bulb has gone already so it only says Goodiso.

I fucking love Everton
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2016, 01:52:23 AM
A bulb has gone already so it only says Goodiso.

I fucking love Everton

Please tell me this is true, it would be fucking amazing
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on December 01, 2016, 01:54:54 AM
Please tell me this is true, it would be fucking amazing

100%
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2016, 01:58:09 AM
100%

Amazing!! Someone needs to go take some pics
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2016, 02:07:37 AM
Still laughing at this, its just typical Everto
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on December 01, 2016, 02:14:20 AM
Probably a good job the cladding threads closed otherwise this would have been the N'd of it..
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 01, 2016, 02:19:13 AM
Amazing!! Someone needs to go take some pics

https://twitter.com/EFCFrance/status/804046945329250304
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on December 01, 2016, 02:30:57 AM
What a club.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 01, 2016, 02:39:14 AM
So it broke last night then?? When did it get installed?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2016, 02:43:54 AM
I fucki g love Everto
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on December 01, 2016, 03:51:03 AM
Surely it's not just one bulb?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on December 01, 2016, 04:48:02 AM
Everton really know how to pylon the misery.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on December 01, 2016, 04:56:43 AM
Surely it's not just one bulb?
Perhaps its like non-led Xmas lights, where if one goes nothing works.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: efcforlife on December 01, 2016, 05:08:38 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161130/0881bbadf0527f43ee38a282f07603a1.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cassius on December 01, 2016, 02:05:19 PM
If the n doesn't work, you'd think they'd switch the lot off. But it wouldn't be Everton if they did that. Love it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 01, 2016, 02:16:30 PM
First team with numbers on shirts
First team with undersoil heating
First team to break the N bulb

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 01, 2016, 02:35:07 PM
https://twitter.com/EFCFrance/status/804046945329250304

Bet some scally kopite twat with an Air rifle is well smug this morning....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 02, 2016, 03:47:37 AM
The N has been fixed, I repeat the N has been fixed
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 02, 2016, 04:07:27 AM
The N has been fixed, I repeat the N has been fixed

I have seen a picture of when several of the lights failed and it simply said "Goo"

I think they should have left it like that for a laugh!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 02, 2016, 04:51:24 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Bensonsigns/status/804373472969453568
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 02, 2016, 05:00:42 AM
Yes very nice.
Now maybe we can get back on topic as per the thread title ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on December 02, 2016, 05:12:27 AM
Yes very nice.
Now maybe we can get back on topic as per the thread title ?

Oh com' on. The last 2 pages have been pretty funny.  :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on December 02, 2016, 06:44:03 AM
Looks great that
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Redartin on December 02, 2016, 06:55:06 AM
Ro ald Koema  must have seen it and gave someone an ear bashing to get it fixed.

 Pity they couldn't fix the team that quick.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on December 02, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Sneaking in at the same time as the letters is the "lantern" for the top of the left tower. Should look mint this weekend.

https://twitter.com/CLA_Architects/status/803936789190897664

https://twitter.com/CLA_Architects/status/804300029921988609
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goughie on December 02, 2016, 10:54:31 PM
Any more photos of the main stand and the wrap around of legends?
Is there room for 1 more on the Main Stand after Hickson?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on December 02, 2016, 11:39:06 PM

Any more photos of the main stand and the wrap around of legends?
Is there room for 1 more on the Main Stand after Hickson?

Don't think so. Also presume it's been laid out to have Dixie as the centre.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goughie on December 02, 2016, 11:47:09 PM
Don't think so. Also presume it's been laid out to have Dixie as the centre.

Will there be a gap at the end then? Or have they measured it so its covered up to the cladding?!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: efcforlife on December 03, 2016, 02:07:16 AM
Talking of cladding..

The Goodison update thread needs reopening
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on December 03, 2016, 02:10:47 AM
Looks boss.

Don't wanna leave
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on December 03, 2016, 02:52:00 AM

Will there be a gap at the end then? Or have they measured it so its covered up to the cladding?!

Not sure!

Maybe they'll put something bland at the end to cover the gap.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on December 03, 2016, 06:34:03 AM
Just seen this pop up on twitter. Been a while since we heard from our dan.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on December 04, 2016, 06:31:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/805346150924644352
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 04, 2016, 06:40:54 PM
looks beautiful
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 05, 2016, 01:47:46 AM
Looks great, really does
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 05, 2016, 10:27:29 PM
Not loving the 'lantern' on top
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on December 05, 2016, 10:42:07 PM
The N has been fixed, I repeat the N has been fixed
I don't suppose he could look at the team!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on December 06, 2016, 02:46:09 AM
Not loving the 'lantern' on top

Pretty shit photo with the alignment of the street lights making it look like it's got big orange ears. I'll wait for more photos to emerge before making judgement.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 09, 2016, 03:37:47 AM
Is this a hint ?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10687691/watford-and-everton-meet-on-saturday-with-both-clubs-coming-out-to-a-familiar-tune
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Post by: Jimmywhack on December 09, 2016, 03:51:11 AM
Is this a hint ?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10687691/watford-and-everton-meet-on-saturday-with-both-clubs-coming-out-to-a-familiar-tune
Not sure ground sharing with Watford is the future
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 09, 2016, 05:18:30 AM
Not sure ground sharing with Watford is the future
............Yes very good. I was alluding to the fact that Sky chose to film at the dock gates and the Bramley Moore pub .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on December 10, 2016, 02:03:39 PM
Does anyone know if this is a regular shareholders meeting, or maybe something to do with the new stadium?



http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2016/12/09/notice-of-general-meeting
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Post by: Cozzie on December 10, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
Does anyone know if this is a regular shareholders meeting, or maybe something to do with the new stadium?



http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2016/12/09/notice-of-general-meeting

Id imagine the stadium would be mentioned like.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 10, 2016, 04:10:20 PM
The club have not said it's an AGM but I think it is just that. They had to call the meeting within the calendar year 2016 even though the actual meeting will not be held until 2017.
No doubt the stadium issue will be mentioned even if it's only to say there's nothing to report.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2016, 04:47:50 PM
The club have not said it's an AGM but I think it is just that. They had to call the meeting within the calendar year 2016 even though the actual meeting will not be held until 2017.
No doubt the stadium issue will be mentioned even if it's only to say there's nothing to report.

it's what has replaced the AGM

it's not a formal AGM but it's basically our new version of it and it'll be more of a presentation than anything else

hopefully my share transfer will have come through in time for me to attend
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 10, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
it's what has replaced the AGM

it's not a formal AGM but it's basically our new version of it and it'll be more of a presentation than anything else

hopefully my share transfer will have come through in time for me to attend
..............ditto
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on December 10, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
it's what has replaced the AGM

it's not a formal AGM but it's basically our new version of it and it'll be more of a presentation than anything else

hopefully my share transfer will have come through in time for me to attend

Didn't we only just go back to having proper  agms as a result of shareholder unrest over the restricted  presentation style meetings where the club just lied and twisted the previous accounts?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2016, 09:30:47 PM
Didn't we only just go back to having proper  agms as a result of shareholder unrest over the restricted  presentation style meetings where the club just lied and twisted the previous accounts?

no, they call them AGMs but they're not really
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on December 10, 2016, 09:46:20 PM
no, they call them AGMs but they're not really

Well I did know there was a North Korean element to the planning of these events.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2016, 09:48:48 PM
Well I did know there was a North Korean element to the planning of these events.

the articles of association don't actually make AGMs mandatory - which is how they cancelled them in the first place - so these "meetings" are more of a compromise with the club holding all the cards to cancel whenever they see fit
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2016, 10:18:40 PM
http://www.thetopbalcony.com/bramley-moore-dock-buildings-form-part-evertons-new-stadium/140

Saw that on reddit and though it was interesting, I do love the idea of repairing them to keep the character of the area.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 10, 2016, 10:33:39 PM
http://www.thetopbalcony.com/bramley-moore-dock-buildings-form-part-evertons-new-stadium/140

Saw that on reddit and though it was interesting, I do love the idea of repairing them to keep the character of the area.

the clock is a protected structure anyway and from what I've been told won't be part of the actual stadium as on the picture below the stadium will be "below" the blue roofed building once the dock is filled in

(http://www.thetopbalcony.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/BMD2.jpg)

the pump house isn't exactly an exciting structure either, but it'll make a nice feature if it's done up

the walls are key though.  they're historic and look excellent, but again they won't be "part of the stadium" but instead form the boundary between the plot of land and the road (which they do now)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 11, 2016, 01:31:02 AM

hopefully my share transfer will have come through in time for me to attend
.......................You must be asking yourself the same question as me tonight .  :headbang:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 11, 2016, 01:46:50 AM

.......................You must be asking yourself the same question as me tonight .  :headbang:

It'll come through before the agm so should be alright

Failing that I'll go as a proxy for the seller
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Post by: Hawkandro on December 12, 2016, 02:17:57 PM
An Elstone Powerpoint Special.
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Post by: jonni on December 12, 2016, 02:29:21 PM
the walls are key though.  they're historic and look excellent, but again they won't be "part of the stadium" but instead form the boundary between the plot of land and the road (which they do now)
With that wall going all along Regent Road, is that gateway the only way on to the site? Could be quite the bottleneck.
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Post by: blue1948 on December 12, 2016, 03:21:32 PM
With that wall going all along Regent Road, is that gateway the only way on to the site? Could be quite the bottleneck.
Especially as both sets of fans would have to use it!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 12, 2016, 03:37:52 PM
Any alterations to the dock wall would require Listed Building Consent and would need to be in keeping with the original.
Access to the site is the least of our problems !
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Post by: Simon Paul on December 12, 2016, 06:01:01 PM

With that wall going all along Regent Road, is that gateway the only way on to the site? Could be quite the bottleneck.

The away fans arrive by boat
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Post by: Alanvideo on December 12, 2016, 06:09:55 PM
This made me smile  ;D
http://www.thetopbalcony.com/liverpool-fans-hilariously-obsessed-evertons-potential-new-dockside-stadium/328
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Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 12, 2016, 07:36:48 PM
The away fans arrive by boat

Certainly the away fans on Derby day. From across the North Sea.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 17, 2016, 01:30:08 AM
http://www.thetopbalcony.com/evertons-new-stadium-architect-will-goodison-park-merseyside-derby/372
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Post by: efcforlife on December 17, 2016, 03:26:24 AM

The away fans arrive by boat

Really?

Through Wirral?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on December 18, 2016, 07:16:14 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/everton-vs-liverpool-new-stadium-goodison-park-history-neil-robinson-a7482711.html
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 18, 2016, 07:32:33 PM
from the article ...............< Soon, though, the moment will arrive for Everton to go elsewhere. The Independent understands it is likely an announcement will be made about that in the next three to four months, with building work on a new site expected to start before the end of 2017. >
Well spotted. I think this is the first time anyone has printed a prediction of a start date.
What a moving ,tragic story about Neil Robinson's father too.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 18, 2016, 07:42:46 PM
Not much has changed about Goodison Park since it was built 124 years ago (Getty)

Apart from totally non-original stands on all 4 sides yeah?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 18, 2016, 07:51:34 PM
Not much has changed about Goodison Park since it was built 124 years ago (Getty)

Apart from totally non-original stands on all 4 sides yeah?
.................it refers more to the area than the ground -
`
< Not much has changed here since Everton moved in 124 years ago and when Liverpool supporters turn up on Monday night, entering through the narrow Bullens Road turnstiles, it is likely that old jokes will be made about it being like going back in time.>
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Post by: BlueBeagle on December 18, 2016, 08:00:27 PM
.................it refers more to the area than the ground -
`
< Not much has changed here since Everton moved in 124 years ago and when Liverpool supporters turn up on Monday night, entering through the narrow Bullens Road turnstiles, it is likely that old jokes will be made about it being like going back in time.>

The bit I've quoted is under a picture of the ground further on in the article.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 18, 2016, 08:25:19 PM
The bit I've quoted is under a picture of the ground further on in the article.
.............yes ok you've quoted the picture caption but the article is more about the area round Goodison.
I've got mixed feelings here - I'll be glad to see us in a new ground but at the same time I'll miss the traditional feel of Goodison. and I'm concerned about the effect on Walton. Hopefully it will lead to some regeneration and EFC will still have a presence there.
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Post by: cyberduck on December 18, 2016, 08:34:17 PM
I'll be glad to see us in a new ground but at the same time I'll miss the traditional feel of Goodison. and I'm concerned about the effect on Walton.

It seems stupid that the Council can't give us the extra land we need for us to build where we are now. They were going to give the RS some of Stanley Park when they wanted to build a new stadium.

Couldn't they use the land from one of these other potential sites mentioned over the years and create parkland there?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: 74Blue on December 18, 2016, 08:39:07 PM
.............yes ok you've quoted the picture caption but the article is more about the area round Goodison.
I've got mixed feelings here - I'll be glad to see us in a new ground but at the same time I'll miss the traditional feel of Goodison. and I'm concerned about the effect on Walton. Hopefully it will lead to some regeneration and EFC will still have a presence there.
I don't believe that Everton moving out of Goodison will completely sever our ties with the area. Let's not forget that they have already invested heavily in a Free School just around the corner. I would expect the club to continue to behave with class. Listening to the bits of what Mr Moshiri has said publicly so far, it appears that this is what he has bought into, with his eyes wide open. He seems to like a lot of what Everton Football Club is all about.
Of course moving will have an adverse affect on a number of small businesses in the immediate vicinity, who largely rely on matchday footfall for survival, but whilst this is unfortunate, it's just business. It's up to the owners of these businesses to work out a way to keep their businesses viable, not Everton's responsibility.
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Post by: Simon Paul on December 18, 2016, 08:43:31 PM
It seems stupid that the Council can't give us the extra land we need for us to build where we are now. They were going to give the RS some of Stanley Park when they wanted to build a new stadium.

Couldn't they use the land from one of these other potential sites mentioned over the years and create parkland there?

the houses around Goodison are owned by private landlords mostly

there was talk in 2007 when KEIOC spoke with the Council and Warren Bradley (who was the leader of the council then) said he had spoken to the landlords and they were all open to property swaps (where they would get a bigger property in, say, Edge Lane, in exchange for their house on Goodison Road / Gwladys Street) but that will have all changed now as the council have less empty property stock

the costs of redeveloping and lack of opportunity to sell retail stuff around the ground is what is stopping us really though, not the fact that it's hard to get the land
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Post by: cyberduck on December 18, 2016, 09:24:46 PM
the houses around Goodison are owned by private landlords mostly

there was talk in 2007 when KEIOC spoke with the Council and Warren Bradley (who was the leader of the council then) said he had spoken to the landlords and they were all open to property swaps (where they would get a bigger property in, say, Edge Lane, in exchange for their house on Goodison Road / Gwladys Street) but that will have all changed now as the council have less empty property stock

Thanks.

Last year there was supposed to be land available just up the road at Walton Hall Park. Couldn't we extend Goodison, taking whatever size footprint we need to extend to for a full commercialized stadium (houses, schools & perhaps parkland) and then build the equivalent of what we take from around the current ground up at Walton Hall?

I know the thought of a waterfront stadium is pretty exciting in terms of image but we're going to have to buy a big chunk of land and build a whole new stadium and then be in debt to Mr. Moshiri & possibly others for a long long time to come.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Papa Smurf on December 18, 2016, 09:27:13 PM
Just a thought, the cost of filling in the dock area would be huge - could it be used instead as an underground car park (still a major cost but could bring savings and help with congestion etc). Would probably also make it more attractive as a venue for concerts and other stuff.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 18, 2016, 09:30:34 PM
Just a thought, the cost of filling in the dock area would be huge - could it be used instead as an underground car park (still a major cost but could bring savings and help with congestion etc). Would probably also make it more attractive as a venue for concerts and other stuff.

it'd probably be even more work to do that (and cost) than just chuck a load of rubble into it (I'm being simplistic on purpose there!)

Thanks.

Last year there was supposed to be land available just up the road at Walton Hall Park. Couldn't we extend Goodison, taking whatever size footprint we need to extend to for a full commercialized stadium (houses, schools & perhaps parkland) and then build the equivalent of what we take from around the current ground up at Walton Hall?

I know the thought of a waterfront stadium is pretty exciting in terms of image but we're going to have to buy a big chunk of land and build a whole new stadium and then be in debt to Mr. Moshiri & possibly others for a long long time to come.

it's the surrounding area that comes into play as well though.  the surrounding area being seriously developed will bring money into the area which there will likely be a deal with the council for them to offset against the purchase of whatever land / planning applications there needs to be done.  WHP was never a goer as the residents would always kick up a fuss, and would likely do the same with whatever needed to be built there.

the purchase of the land was quoted at around £30m which is tiny really in comparison to the whole cost of a new stadium and we'd likely "lose" £30m at least if redeveloping Goodison, sadly.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on December 18, 2016, 09:30:43 PM
I know the thought of a waterfront stadium is pretty exciting in terms of image but we're going to have to buy a big chunk of land and build a whole new stadium and then be in debt to Mr. Moshiri & possibly others for a long long time to come.

It's thought to be £30m for the land, isn't it?

Really that's a drop in the ocean eh? The price of an average Prem player now.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on December 18, 2016, 09:49:09 PM
Really?

Through Wirral?
They pick up the minority in the Wirral
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on December 18, 2016, 09:52:50 PM
Not much has changed about Goodison Park since it was built 124 years ago (Getty)

Apart from totally non-original stands on all 4 sides yeah?
And how many times has the pitch been relaid?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on December 18, 2016, 10:00:41 PM
Thanks.

Last year there was supposed to be land available just up the road at Walton Hall Park. Couldn't we extend Goodison, taking whatever size footprint we need to extend to for a full commercialized stadium (houses, schools & perhaps parkland) and then build the equivalent of what we take from around the current ground up at Walton Hall?

I know the thought of a waterfront stadium is pretty exciting in terms of image but we're going to have to buy a big chunk of land and build a whole new stadium and then be in debt to Mr. Moshiri & possibly others for a long long time to come.
Don't see the argument there sorry ,to extend as you say ,is at least as much work plus loss of revenue whilst the renovations go on and all the time working with an old building
I have been to the Old Lady at least a thousand times and will sadly miss her but if this architect "get's it " then we will have the stadium for the other to follow an open space is so much easier ,I just hope they do a Yellow Submarine tour from under the stadium should be easy enough if they propose bridging the dock and it will give the away fans a place to cool down !
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: cyberduck on December 18, 2016, 10:21:00 PM

the purchase of the land was quoted at around £30m which is tiny really in comparison to the whole cost of a new stadium

Quote
It's thought to be £30m for the land, isn't it?

Really that's a drop in the ocean eh? The price of an average Prem player now.

True. I had a figure of £80m in my head for some reason. When you start looking at things relative to the cost of players though it gets scary. A top team must be worth a billion (suing Pogba as a basis) and another £500 million for the subs  :).

Just looked at the cost of Highbury back in 2006 and it cost them £390M.

Liverpool's new stand £114M with £39M being the cost of land. They expect to earn £20M a season from the new stand.


Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 18, 2016, 10:23:01 PM
Just a thought, the cost of filling in the dock area would be huge - could it be used instead as an underground car park (still a major cost but could bring savings and help with congestion etc). Would probably also make it more attractive as a venue for concerts and other stuff.
...............I read somewhere about a part-sunken football stadium ...........and then there's this....
http://theweek.com/articles/602396/football-stadium-tomorrow-may-surprise

I'm sure the architects will be looking at every possibility for such an interesting  site as B-M dock.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on December 19, 2016, 12:37:47 AM
...............I read somewhere about a part-sunken football stadium ...........and then there's this....
http://theweek.com/articles/602396/football-stadium-tomorrow-may-surprise

I'm sure the architects will be looking at every possibility for such an interesting  site as B-M dock.



It would be just like Everton to do something groundbreaking and unique in the world of football, another first. As a club we've had plenty of experience being first with innovation. :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on December 19, 2016, 01:02:47 AM
...............I read somewhere about a part-sunken football stadium ...........and then there's this....
http://theweek.com/articles/602396/football-stadium-tomorrow-may-surprise

I'm sure the architects will be looking at every possibility for such an interesting  site as B-M dock.
[/quote

So go to the game beat the traffic and watch it on a screen ,I can do that without the going to the game and beating the traffic ,to many video games influencing reality here .
Just a great stadium , standing not sitting and all will be back to the best with less space needed for terracing than stands
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 20, 2016, 03:11:30 PM
This might make us feel a bit better this morning......................
http://www.thetopbalcony.com/exclusive-everton-announce-bramley-moore-dock-stadium/413
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 20, 2016, 03:44:41 PM
Does anybody else reckon Everton will announce this officially on Christmas day?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 03:49:35 PM
https://twitter.com/skbytes/status/810991529607172100
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 20, 2016, 04:04:11 PM
Does anybody else reckon Everton will announce this officially on Christmas day?

No
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toffee1 on December 20, 2016, 05:10:13 PM
No
Maybe they will announce it on January 7th - the Gregorian Christmas day?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 05:14:27 PM
Maybe they'll announce it, or something close to it, at the AGM.
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Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 20, 2016, 05:20:55 PM
Hurray!

https://twitter.com/meisarch/status/810937252180279298
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 05:31:25 PM
Hurray!

https://twitter.com/meisarch/status/810937252180279298


The responses are quite funny. It's fair to say the mention of a 'bowl' didn't go down too well.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 20, 2016, 05:39:44 PM
The responses are quite funny. It's fair to say the mention of a 'bowl' didn't go down too well.

People need to understand what the words affordable, flexible, safe and modern mean. With the emphasis on affordable.

We'd all love another bigger better safer GP without the restricted views but it's not going to happen.



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Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 05:40:57 PM
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Swerve the bowl idea off you wool

Laughing my head off at that comment
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 20, 2016, 05:46:25 PM
Laughing my head off at that comment

Dan probably thinks it's a typo of fool or tool.....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2016, 06:44:31 PM
My view last night (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161220/1e1e5b520b76eac8a61fd2bbc2a493a2.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 07:03:41 PM
i have neck ache from craning around posts, and ducking to see the far goals. Aching legs from tip toeing over heads. Wouldnt change it for the world.

Gutted to be leaving and will be even more gutted if/when the ground is  fucking bowl shaped.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 20, 2016, 07:12:07 PM
i have neck ache from craning around posts, and ducking to see the far goals. Aching legs from tip toeing over heads. Wouldnt change it for the world.

Gutted to be leaving and will be even more gutted if/when the ground is  fucking bowl shaped.

Part of going the game for me.

Getting to your seat hoping you've got a good line of sight only to find a big fuck off post blocking some part of the pitch.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: cyberduck on December 20, 2016, 07:12:43 PM
One thing is for sure. The Directors & those in the best seats of the Main Stand, Top Balcony & Upper Bullens will not have as good a view in a bowl.

I went to Wembley a few years back and wasn't much higher than pitch level and was about as far away as you can get at Goodison. Looking up at the best seats in the centre of the stadium they were miles away from the pitch.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 07:31:53 PM
I'm not sure if anyone's posted this but the architect who tweeted about no posts in the bowl explains what he meant.



http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-new-stadium-architect-gives-12347552
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 07:44:01 PM
I'm not sure if anyone's posted this but the architect who tweeted about no posts in the bowl explains what he meant.



http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-new-stadium-architect-gives-12347552

do you not read posts before you post?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 07:52:05 PM
do you not read posts before you post?




What do you mean?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 07:53:37 PM



What do you mean?


its been discussed for the past hour if you read the prev posts.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 07:56:15 PM

its been discussed for the past hour if you read the prev posts.



Was the link already posted then?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 08:03:09 PM





The link That I posted for the Echo hasn't been posted yet. So I think it's fair enough to add some more or,
different info from other sources.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 20, 2016, 08:23:44 PM
I'm not sure if anyone's posted this but the architect who tweeted about no posts in the bowl explains what he meant.



http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-new-stadium-architect-gives-12347552

Sounds like a top bloke. Certainly handles twitter trolls well enough.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goughie on December 20, 2016, 08:31:39 PM
Something similar to Juve's new staduim would suit me. 4 sides, but all enclosed; where we can make proper noise and get the place bouncing.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: cyberduck on December 20, 2016, 08:47:43 PM
I'm not sure if anyone's posted this but the architect who tweeted about no posts in the bowl explains what he meant.

I quite enjoyed reading that Spurs' new ground is going to be a bowl. I'm hoping that seriously affects their form.

From the architect's comments it sounds like we're trying to keep the atmosphere (or at least some of it).
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 08:50:32 PM
I quite enjoyed reading that Spurs' new ground is going to be a bowl. I'm hoping that seriously affects their form.

From the architect's comments it sounds like we're trying to keep the atmosphere (or at least some of it).




It's very encouraging that he's on the ball and listening to the fans feedback.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on December 20, 2016, 08:51:29 PM
My view last night (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161220/1e1e5b520b76eac8a61fd2bbc2a493a2.jpg)
Liverpool hit the post before scoring.... if you didn't know   ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 08:52:58 PM
Liverpool hit the post before scoring.... if you didn't know   ;)

the other post
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on December 20, 2016, 08:56:59 PM
the other post
  Nope  ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 08:58:04 PM
Nope

he is sat in the street end ....they scored at the park end.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 08:58:22 PM
  Nope  ;)

plus why even post the fucking clip?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on December 20, 2016, 09:08:40 PM
Maybe they will announce it on January 7th - the Gregorian Christmas day?
Why ?
Is that the architects first name?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 20, 2016, 10:01:27 PM
plus why even post the fucking clip?

You need to take a break from posting. All you've done is attack fellow blues today. Get a grip.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
God bless'us everyone
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 10:15:47 PM
You need to take a break from posting. All you've done is attack fellow blues today. Get a grip.

ok
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on December 21, 2016, 12:07:08 AM
Does anybody else reckon Everton will announce this officially on Christmas day?

Nah - they're saving for my 40th birthday present - 5th Jan!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 21, 2016, 12:11:37 AM
reckon he'll be giving a talk at the AGM
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 21, 2016, 01:02:46 AM
reckon he'll be giving a talk at the AGM
.............who ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 21, 2016, 01:16:47 AM

.............who ?

This architect fella
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on December 21, 2016, 01:22:58 AM
It seems likely that an announcement will either be just before or at the Annual Meeting.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 21, 2016, 01:51:49 AM
This architect fella
............ah right. Hoping to be there if my paperwork gets done in time but the holidays are going to get in the way.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 21, 2016, 03:07:06 AM
............ah right. Hoping to be there if my paperwork gets done in time but the holidays are going to get in the way.

got my invite last Monday despite the fact that my actual share hasn't come through yet

presuming I've been added to the list of shareholders but the paperwork part is taking it's time?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 21, 2016, 04:23:27 AM
got my invite last Monday despite the fact that my actual share hasn't come through yet

presuming I've been added to the list of shareholders but the paperwork part is taking it's time?
..............your deal must have been done and the paperwork will follow.  Mine is still in the pipeline . I spoke to the Head of Legal Services at Everton today and he was very helpful so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on December 21, 2016, 05:12:05 AM
How do you become a shareholder?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on December 21, 2016, 05:16:08 AM
How do you become a shareholder?

Buy shares. :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on December 21, 2016, 05:38:54 AM
Buy shares. :)

obviously, but how does one do that? Is there a special share initiative for fans that the club runs or do you have to do it yourself?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on December 21, 2016, 05:39:55 AM
obviously, but how does one do that? Is there a special share initiative for fans that the club runs or do you have to do it yourself?


It's on the online store mate. Have a look there.

Think they selling half season shares at present.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: charlatan on December 21, 2016, 05:44:28 AM
Buy shares. :)

lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on December 21, 2016, 05:46:57 AM
It's on the online store mate. Have a look there.

Think they selling half season shares at present.

Got my dads off eBay about 4-5 years ago.

Around the time Chung started sponsoring us.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on December 21, 2016, 05:52:05 AM
It's on the online store mate. Have a look there.

Think they selling half season shares at present.

Dammit! I can only afford the quarter season shares at present
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 21, 2016, 06:04:39 AM
How do you become a shareholder?

http://toffeeweb.com/club/business/shares.php
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: efcforlife on December 21, 2016, 06:08:09 AM
I'm not against a bowl design from an exterior point of view at all. As long as we have a four sided steep seating arrangement inside.

In fact if it's done in the right way we could end up with something pretty spectacular in my opinion. Sort of like a stadium within a stadium type thing.

The exterior doesn't have to be a full bowl shape either,it could be broken up with some clever design.

I can't wait



Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 21, 2016, 02:11:28 PM
How do you become a shareholder?

Have unprotected sex with Elstone, well thats what he told me anyway
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 21, 2016, 03:38:12 PM
Just been sent this, I'm not on instagram and have no idea how it works

https://www.instagram.com/p/BORdM4vg3Vy/

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on December 21, 2016, 03:43:56 PM
This has become my thread of the year. I can't wait for people to post new info. :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 21, 2016, 05:21:14 PM
Have unprotected sex with Elstone, well thats what he told me anyway
I wouldn't want to get his fake tan on me cock.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 21, 2016, 05:23:02 PM
Just been sent this, I'm not on instagram and have no idea how it works

https://www.instagram.com/p/BORdM4vg3Vy/


............am I missing something here ? just seems to be a general view of North Liverpool ,including our potential stadium site.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 21, 2016, 05:23:49 PM
............am I missing something here ? just seems to be a general view of North Liverpool ,including our potential stadium site.
No thats it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 21, 2016, 06:37:19 PM

How do you become a shareholder?

I bought off a private seller
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 21, 2016, 07:50:15 PM
I bought off a private seller

"Ere Moshy lad, how much for one of yer shares? You got thousands so wont really miss one...."
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 22, 2016, 12:30:00 AM
"Ere Moshy lad, how much for one of yer shares? You got thousands so wont really miss one...."

hahaha!

not quite on nickname terms with him yet.....

someone approached me and asked if I wanted it, and I'd had a bit of luck so said yes
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on December 22, 2016, 02:22:02 AM
hahaha!

not quite on nickname terms with him yet.....

someone approached me and asked if I wanted it, and I'd had a bit of luck so said yes

Just had a look now. I can afford a share but I don't think the wife would be too happy if I bought one at the price they are. I wish I'd thought about this when I first had my inheritance - I'd have had a few
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 22, 2016, 04:05:41 AM
Just had a look now. I can afford a share but I don't think the wife would be too happy if I bought one at the price they are. I wish I'd thought about this when I first had my inheritance - I'd have had a few

I didn't think I'd be as excited as I am about it to be honest.  It's a bit of paper.  But it's a bit of paper that says I own a bit of the club I have spent my life supporting.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on December 22, 2016, 04:36:39 AM
I didn't think I'd be as excited as I am about it to be honest.  It's a bit of paper.  But it's a bit of paper that says I own a bit of the club I have spent my life supporting.

Sounds awesome to me.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on December 24, 2016, 10:06:33 PM
This has become my thread of the year. I can't wait for people to post new info. :)

This has superceded the cladding update thread for me now!

 :woohoo:
Title: Shareholders Meeting 4th Jan
Post by: therealdunc on December 26, 2016, 07:07:27 AM
Moshiri and Koeman expected to attend

been told they will announce the new stadium

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: efcforlife on December 26, 2016, 02:46:56 PM

Moshiri and Koeman expected to attend

been told they will announce the new stadium

Attend what?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on December 26, 2016, 02:48:58 PM
Attend what?

The AGM on the 4th of Jan.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 26, 2016, 02:49:24 PM
Attend what?
...............he's told you in the title of his post.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on December 29, 2016, 02:20:35 PM
From The Echo today..........
Liverpool Waters assistant project director Ian Pollitt was pictured at Bramley-Moore dock in October when Everton’s majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri and chairman Bill Kenwright visited the site.

Asked about Peel’s involvement with the club he said: “We are talking to Everton. We are in discussions with them. It’s been ongoing.

“It would be good to see it in our development. But if it didn’t happen we’re quite confident we can do the development without them.

“It’s something we’d like to see there. So we’re working with Everton and the city on that. So watch this space.”

Everton is expected to make a decision on which stadium site to pursue early in the New Year.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on December 29, 2016, 02:27:49 PM
That's that fucked then. He said watch this space, that to Evertonian's is like when your parents say "we'll see", it means you won't get it. ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 29, 2016, 04:22:37 PM
That's that fucked then. He said watch this space, that to Evertonian's is like when your parents say "we'll see", it means you won't get it. ;)

Or when u ask for an AT-AT for Christmas and you get an AT-ST....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on December 29, 2016, 04:44:50 PM
That's that fucked then. He said watch this space, that to Evertonian's is like when your parents say "we'll see", it means you won't get it. ;)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtzGQblIYAEj5d6.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on December 29, 2016, 06:15:08 PM
Or when u ask for an AT-AT for Christmas and you get an AT-ST....

I got a Lego AT-ST, but I'd asked for it as I already had the AT-AT.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 29, 2016, 08:05:16 PM
I've heard it's a done deal and we've been offered the adjoining land for development if we want it by the guy who owns it. He's from Widnes i heard and a blue. Going to be an announcement early jan but wouldn't say more.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 29, 2016, 10:51:26 PM
I got a Lego AT-ST, but I'd asked for it as I already had the AT-AT.

You were clearly on santas nice list.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 30, 2016, 02:55:12 AM
Moshiri and Koeman expected to attend

been told they will announce the new stadium

to be honest I'd be fuming with them both if they didn't attend the AGM
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on December 30, 2016, 12:52:31 PM
to be honest I'd be fuming with them both if they didn't attend the AGM
I heard they cannot wait because they know you are going
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on December 30, 2016, 02:08:43 PM
I heard they cannot wait because they know you are going

Well it'd be nothing without the star attraction would it?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on January 02, 2017, 11:54:06 PM
Literally can't wait for this.

After initially being horrified at moving from Goodison, I am now desperate to hear the news to feel like the club is moving forward and the possibility of competing at the very top (and winning) again is a very real thing.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Danny on January 03, 2017, 01:50:51 AM
Literally can't wait for this.

After initially being horrified at moving from Goodison, I am now desperate to hear the news to feel like the club is moving forward and the possibility of competing at the very top (and winning) again is a very real thing.

The way I look at it, Goodison is fucking amazing but at the age of 26 i'll see more of the new stadium than I ever saw of Goodison, can't wait now.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on January 03, 2017, 01:53:17 AM
Not far off this now, hope we get the news we want.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on January 03, 2017, 02:32:50 AM
My 40th on the 5th. Missus asked what I wanted for my birthday I said "New stadium news".

She didn't have a Scooby-Doo what I was on about!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on January 03, 2017, 11:51:43 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/farhad-moshiri-expected-evertons-general-12400224
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 04, 2017, 12:32:40 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/farhad-moshiri-expected-evertons-general-12400224

how on earth have they made a story out of that?

a major shareholder is expected to attend a company AGM?

yeah?  and?

surely it would be more of a story if a major shareholder didn't attend?  oh no, that's not how the Echo has been run is it?  Earl never turned up to one, not a peep out of the Echo.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: cyberduck on January 04, 2017, 02:15:24 AM
Earl never turned up to one, not a peep out of the Echo.

He went to at least one. I can remember him being asked about the Trust he used to own the Everton shares. His reply "it's a family trust".

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on January 04, 2017, 04:10:07 AM
how on earth have they made a story out of that?

a major shareholder is expected to attend a company AGM?

yeah?  and?

surely it would be more of a story if a major shareholder didn't attend?  oh no, that's not how the Echo has been run is it?  Earl never turned up to one, not a peep out of the Echo.

It stops them giving any credence to the guardian story earlier in the week.  Even a spate of nothing stories about us since that came out.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: therealdunc on January 04, 2017, 03:56:59 PM
and this is why I still  boycott the liverpool echo both in print and its website, a newspaper with no balls or desire to provide meaningful stories.


Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on January 04, 2017, 08:25:35 PM
and this is why I still  boycott the liverpool echo both in print and its website, a newspaper with no balls or desire to provide meaningful stories.




A lot of us don't buy / read ? The Echo because it's a red rag, but mostly because it's shite.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 06, 2017, 12:55:41 AM
this is genuinely the best thing that has EVER been on Radio Merseyside

skip to about 19 minutes in to get to the first Kopite caller

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04lj2gx
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 06, 2017, 12:58:31 AM
this is genuinely the best thing that has EVER been on Radio Merseyside

skip to about 19 minutes in to get to the first Kopite caller

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04lj2gx

They're nearly crying with desperation! Roger having them off on every single point too. Pure gold this.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 06, 2017, 01:02:40 AM
They're nearly crying with desperation! Roger having them off on every single point too. Pure gold this.

Kevin from Knotty Ash 31 minutes in is amazing!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on January 06, 2017, 01:14:33 AM
My 40th on the 5th. Missus asked what I wanted for my birthday I said "New stadium news".

She didn't have a Scooby-Doo what I was on about!
happy birthday mate.... Hope Your wire had a surprise for you now the stadium news wasn't exactly what you wished for I asume
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on January 06, 2017, 01:24:06 AM
this is genuinely the best thing that has EVER been on Radio Merseyside

skip to about 19 minutes in to get to the first Kopite caller

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04lj2gx

Brilliant listen this.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2017, 01:36:48 AM
Won't load for me
Gutted
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on January 06, 2017, 01:37:43 AM
this is genuinely the best thing that has EVER been on Radio Merseyside

skip to about 19 minutes in to get to the first Kopite caller

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04lj2gx

The lad who kept saying 'quite clearly' quite clearly hadn't a fucking clue what he was talking about.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: eame on January 06, 2017, 01:38:29 AM
this is genuinely the best thing that has EVER been on Radio Merseyside

skip to about 19 minutes in to get to the first Kopite caller

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04lj2gx

OMG I feel like Christmas and every Birthday I have ever come have come all together at once!!!! And these call us BITTER!!!!

If this does come off we wont need to hang the koppites 1 by 1 they will hang themselves!! 
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 06, 2017, 01:41:11 AM
"We need ferries so the Welsh can get to TJ Hughes, Roger!"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on January 06, 2017, 01:45:37 AM
Docks should be docks, right!!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on January 06, 2017, 01:48:15 AM
He's right when we start importing tobacco and rum again we'll be fucked
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 06, 2017, 01:49:07 AM
this is genuinely the best thing that has EVER been on Radio Merseyside

skip to about 19 minutes in to get to the first Kopite caller

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04lj2gx

Brilliant that, it just adds that extra bit smugness when the stadium actually gets the go ahead.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on January 06, 2017, 01:49:46 AM
Brilliant listen this.

And we don't matter to them, we are the bitter one's, hahaha. This is a club that forced compulsory purchases of loads of houses around  Liverpool's ground so they could enlarge their ground and were given £23m towards their loft conversion by the council. These fuckers will be marching through the streets to stop this. Don't remember this kind of uproar when the council give them Stanley Park.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on January 06, 2017, 01:50:10 AM
This is absolute comedy gold.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 06, 2017, 01:51:21 AM
He's right when we start importing tobacco and rum again we'll be fucked

Or restoring the tobacco warehouse to a morgue.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 06, 2017, 01:52:43 AM
Kevin from Knotty Ash 31 minutes in is amazing!

Oh I don't know, the guy before that threatened to write to the secretary of something or another over it had me in hysterics.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 06, 2017, 01:53:19 AM
Steve Rotherham will sort this out lads....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 06, 2017, 02:03:27 AM
Steve Rotherham will sort this out lads....

Hahahaha!

Roger "no he won't, he won't have anywhere near the power the mayor has"
Caller "we'll see roger"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 06, 2017, 02:05:54 AM
The naming rights fella was fuckin hilarious.

'we should get a cut of that' hahaha.

Fuckin gimp.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on January 06, 2017, 02:08:16 AM
Ffs we gave them their ground now we're giving them Lpool 4 and their still fewming. Onwards and upwards blues, want Bramley more than ever now.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on January 06, 2017, 02:11:08 AM
It's the way their dress up their fear and hatred as genuine concern for the city, when in fact a development at Bramley Moore would be hugely beneficial to the area that's particularly astounding (even for them hypocritical fuckers).

After running the area around Anfield into the ground systematically. It's incredible.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2017, 02:12:37 AM
This needs to happen if nothing else just to shut them up or make them more angry
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on January 06, 2017, 02:14:41 AM
fuck me, they take bitter to a whole new level.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on January 06, 2017, 02:18:28 AM
I can't believe you have to live with some of these people.

Effin donkeys
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 06, 2017, 02:20:44 AM
The naming rights fella was fuckin hilarious.

'we should get a cut of that' hahaha.

Fuckin gimp.

Caller "But you can't just rename your house roger"
Roger "yes you can"

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 06, 2017, 02:21:29 AM
Caller "But you can't just rename your house roger"
Roger "yes you can"



"It's like renaming your street!"

"No it's not"

"We'll see"

his "maniac laugh" was a bit sinister as well though
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on January 06, 2017, 02:21:35 AM
its hilarious how they all love Everton, but don't want us to have a new ground on the waterfront. remember the chants of "the city's all ours"?

fucking whopper's lolol lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 06, 2017, 02:22:01 AM
This needs to happen if nothing else just to shut them up or make them more angry

On the plus side mate, if it doesn't and Kevin gets his way you'll be able to ferry to Liverpool just like the old days.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on January 06, 2017, 02:25:46 AM
One of the comments on the Echo article:

"I am just off the phone organising a meeting with my personal team of solicitors to compile a plan of action to assist in the blocking of this rubbish stadium ever being built. You cannot give the city's money to a small unsuccessful club with barely any fans when there is homeless, hungry, disabled children in the streets. You cannot sacrifice the heritage of the seaside to build a football stadium when there is a perfectly good site in Croxteth & the opinion of refurbishing the Bullens road stand to an adequate 43000 which is 9000 more seats than Everton even need."
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Danny on January 06, 2017, 02:35:25 AM
Jesus I thought you lot were overselling this, the first fella on about 20 minutes is fantastic.

"QUITE CLEARLY THE COUNCIL WILL PAY FOR THIS"

Straight after Anderson has just got off saying we can't afford to fix the roads, now he's magicking up 200 million.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2017, 02:39:41 AM
Finally listening now, great stuff
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on January 06, 2017, 02:45:48 AM
Loved that lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2017, 02:52:17 AM
I'm gutted that there's no ferry from Shotton to Liverpool, that man's a genius
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Danny on January 06, 2017, 02:53:31 AM
It's annoying when actual callers ring in, I just want the bitters.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on January 06, 2017, 03:04:12 AM
That caller at 19 minutes is a fucking arsehole. I wish I had heard this live, I'd have phoned in and called him out the stupid twat.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on January 06, 2017, 03:09:39 AM
First time I've heard Joe Anderson speak. He doesn't sound like he looks
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on January 06, 2017, 03:12:16 AM
I agree with them tbh.

Infact, we should stop building anything ever again. We can't have the traffic getting a bit busy, can we.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 06, 2017, 03:16:53 AM
I agree with them tbh.

Infact, we should stop building anything ever again. We can't have the traffic getting a bit busy, can we.

Do you work for English Heritage or CABE?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Makis on January 06, 2017, 03:17:10 AM
That was embarrasing to listen to. Everton is really rattling their cage.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on January 06, 2017, 03:19:55 AM
Or restoring the tobacco warehouse to a morgue.

That guy had me in stiches
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2017, 03:20:32 AM
You've only gotta read the comments on the echo to see how rattled they are
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toffee1 on January 06, 2017, 03:22:13 AM
I suspect that they will do what they usually do and get some protest T-shirts printed.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 06, 2017, 03:25:56 AM
I suspect that they will do what they usually do and get some protest T-shirts printed.

And then set fire to them.

Fucking whoppers, the lot of them. I feel sorry for the level headed fans that come all the way from Norway to watch them.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on January 06, 2017, 03:26:17 AM
We're there anymore after the first two? I've just been listening to Gerry and his rant about the rich and Jeremy Corbyn being blacked out by the media
Title: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on January 06, 2017, 03:32:49 AM
We need more ferries go to and from the Isle of Man. People need to visit the house where Norman Wisdom lived plus the increase in human traffic should introduce more genetic diversity.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on January 06, 2017, 03:35:32 AM
"The question is - are Everton leasing finch farm or are they renting finch farm"

"There's no difference"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on January 06, 2017, 04:27:28 AM
That was a great listen. And yeah the majority of kopites I know aren't that bad tbf the usual banter but I think they'd actually agree that it'd be a good thing for us to be at the docks or at least somewhere in Liverpool with a new stadium.
Some have even said they hope we do go on to become part of the prem elite so that we can both compete toe to toe. I'd be alright with that as long as we win.

But those callers are pathetic, grown men who can't see what an opportunity it'd be for the city nevermind Everton. If it gets announced and doesn't get called in or anything I can see the ardent kopites having a bitch fit and finding anyway possible to discredit the build or the stadium itself.
Who's the bitters now? 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alfie Noakes on January 06, 2017, 05:28:30 AM
Certainly the best show I've ever heard on Radio Merseyside.
It is the first time I've listened to Radio Merseyside though.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 03:56:56 PM
Just listening to this now
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 03:57:37 PM
Looking forward to this
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
Jeff from West Derby
Finch Farm what are we Liverpool city council getting out of the deal.
Not a fucking clue about money hahaha
Quite clearly Jeff hahaha Roger sniggering in the background is boss hahah
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:13:05 PM
Kevin from knotty Ash now
Transport problems
Funny how these cunts think they know what's gonna happen.
No clue about business, docks should be used as docks and pollution hahaha dickhead, Kopites saying to move to Huyton obviously no clue about KEIOC hahaha
People who live round there, no cunt lives there hahahaha
LFC to the docks.... When the fuck was that hahaha
I'm not a blue end call hahaha tit
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:15:10 PM
Do these soft twats not realise all the shipping goes into the dock 2 miles to the north
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:16:20 PM
Hahaha Wales to Liverpool ferries, there's a fucking train hahshs
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:18:41 PM
During the war hahahaha
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 06, 2017, 04:19:05 PM
That radio broadcast is the greatest thing ever, you could sense the panic in their voices,  it's fantastic
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:19:48 PM
Rogers resigned sighs are fucking boss
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:21:28 PM
Jerry from Halewood fabians and tartan tories, he's got this shit wrote down hasn't he hahaha what's this got to do with a ground move Gerry, fuck off and let us laugh at Kopites
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 06, 2017, 04:22:15 PM
Our Kev thinks ships still look like this............

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:22:19 PM
Oh Kopite alert
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:22:52 PM
Gerrys a Kopite, come on Gerry don't let me down
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: 74Blue on January 06, 2017, 04:24:33 PM
Hahaha Wales to Liverpool ferries, there's a fucking train hahshs
Why the fuck would anyone get a ferry from Wales to Liverpool. We already have not one, but two road tunnels providing a direct link into the highway network into Wales and a rail link. Why do we need fucking boats as well?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:26:38 PM
Deffo git this shit written down has Gerry fuck off Gerry ya let down
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2017, 04:27:33 PM
Why the fuck would anyone get a ferry from Wales to Liverpool. We already have not one, but two road tunnels providing a direct link into the highway network into Wales and a rail link. Why do we need fucking boats as well?
And a bridge, don't forget the bridge
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:27:54 PM
Why the fuck would anyone get a ferry from Wales to Liverpool. We already have not one, but two road tunnels providing a direct link into the highway network into Wales and a rail link. Why do we need fucking boats as well?
I know man, fucking shitting themselves, nothing has even been confirmed yet, deffo gonna research protest groups today hahaha.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:29:11 PM
And a bridge, don't forget the bridge
And a new bridge to come, shit all these transport links may benefit Everton, shit shit shit, everybody get the shit stick out
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:35:36 PM
Right Joe from New Ferry
Disagreeing about the chaos Oooohhh Joe you tease

Go ed Joe lad tell the deluded fuckers how good it will be.
Yes Joe use the etihad as an example there was fuck all there before it was a shit hole look at now.

Go ed Joe lad, it does need to be used, yes the other businesses point, it's a no brainer Joe your right hahaha
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:36:26 PM
Ahh talking about the visual impairment training I do for digital champions... Nice and
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:40:18 PM
Stephens email asking why people are putting blockers up for progress,.
Negative people Stephen if it does not benefit them directly they get a twist on lad, yeah you're right mate poor arguments
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:44:11 PM
Tony
Blue
Don't need ships because of some train from China, weird never knew about this China train.
Docks are dead mate lets regenerate

Congratulations to trump WTF Tony what you been smoking man.

Think Tony is a little bit racist


Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:45:03 PM
Steve telling Kev he's full of shit

Loads of emails telling Kevin he's a full of shit
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:45:26 PM
Peter from old Swan
PED
DEFFO PED hahaha
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:46:22 PM
Yeah cab driver it's deffo ped can't mistake that voice.

Go ed Ped lad stick the knife in....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:48:54 PM
Little dig about the shite moving people out of the houses hahaha
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:49:56 PM
Ped throwing lefts and rights there hahah is right ped lad
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:52:25 PM
Franny in Kirkby

Racist????
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:54:25 PM
Here we go, deffo racist. They're taking jobs that no lazy cunt here will do ya daft twat.
 
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:54:57 PM
Is right Roger no one wants to do it
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:56:09 PM
Fuck off Franny you racist. Where's your proof franny no one's opened any fucking doors deffo reads the daily mail
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:57:35 PM
Know for a fact do you Fran, was you there when they got out the dinghy Franny, no you wasn't, Roger snoring hahahahahahahaahhahaha
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 04:58:14 PM
Ahhh all rapists now hahaha fuck off Franny you wanker
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:00:19 PM
Franny he agreed there's not enough checks but their not all rapists, ahhh there we go they're all terrorist 🖕fuck off Franny you cunt
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:01:50 PM
What the fuck is a hollygob by the way
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:04:23 PM
Did he mention this fellas name

We need heritage, we've got heritage, poor Will must be fucking bored off his head listening to this fucker.
Who's paying for the upkeep for all this heritage guy, lottery won't give money all the time.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:04:48 PM
Bored
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:05:04 PM
Fuck off with ya ship thing guy
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
Russel fuck of lad
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:09:34 PM
Philip in Wavertree
Ooohhh development on North dock talking about the cycle track, and using th loop line, that connection is already there mate
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:13:48 PM
John from Sandbach
Loves th idea of the ground then asks where the labour party is. Head switches off
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:18:39 PM
Done
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 05:18:59 PM
The first couple of calls were epic hahahs
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2017, 05:24:41 PM
Peter from old Swan
PED
DEFFO PED hahaha
It was, he was creaming on twitter over it
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 06, 2017, 05:27:57 PM
Anyone else tuning into rogers phone in today?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2017, 05:30:33 PM
Anyone else tuning into rogers phone in today?
The roads been passed by the council today hasnt it?
Be interesting
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on January 06, 2017, 05:34:02 PM
Done

Cheers for that Bally, addictive reading, the desperation of some of the red fans against this move is mouthwateringly hilarious. Just see the banners now, " Save the Mersey Goldfish ".
The most refreshing things are the truth is out, were not the only ones who are bitter are we.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: 74Blue on January 06, 2017, 05:50:47 PM
I'd be willing to wager that Spirit of Shankly are in talks with the Traveller community right now to get a campaign underway to save the Oil Street Massive
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on January 06, 2017, 06:07:23 PM
It was, he was creaming on twitter over it

Who's PED. Did/does he post on here?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 06, 2017, 06:10:42 PM
Who's PED. Did/does he post on here?
Toffee Tv on facebook
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 06:23:19 PM
Who's PED. Did/does he post on here?
I dunno if he does mate, he's been knocking about for years, started doing podcasts just after us, then moved on to video when me and Si couldn't be arsed coz we're a pair of lazy cunts
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on January 06, 2017, 06:34:09 PM
He's a fucking knobhead
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on January 06, 2017, 07:01:39 PM
I dunno if he does mate, he's been knocking about for years, started doing podcasts just after us, then moved on to video when me and Si couldn't be arsed coz we're a pair of lazy cunts

I used to like the footyshow podcast.  Still not managed to watch a full toffee tv video.  Its all about the audio that I can listen to in the car for me.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alfie Noakes on January 06, 2017, 07:56:58 PM
@Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) turning this into thread of the year 2017.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: 74Blue on January 06, 2017, 08:02:24 PM
@Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) turning this into thread of the year 2017.
I want @Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) to do the Roger Philips phone in, just for one day & invite every deluded red cunt to phone in with their objections to Everton building on Bramley More dock. Now that would be comedy gold, although it could result in Radio Merseyside being taken off air permanently.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on January 06, 2017, 08:02:43 PM
@Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) turning this into thread of the year 2017.

The kopites on the phone in had already done that. :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 06, 2017, 08:09:18 PM
He's a fucking knobhead
He's alright in person you know
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bacon sarnie on January 06, 2017, 11:10:00 PM
Why the fuck would anyone get a ferry from Wales to Liverpool. We already have not one, but two road tunnels providing a direct link into the highway network into Wales and a rail link. Why do we need fucking boats as well?

Gerry Marsden will be cutting a record about it right now......
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 07, 2017, 04:46:42 PM
Just saw this on FB from a Kopite

Said he was fishing, but it's every day.
Obsessed.
Liverpool looking to buy woodison to knock down for new training complex 1/2 mile from anfield... now that would ruffle a few feathers estimated value 15 mill and Everton will throw a cuckoo clock in
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ih8redshite on January 07, 2017, 04:47:59 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170107/0feb31076ba8c498328c394ab6787922.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 07, 2017, 04:50:26 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170107/0feb31076ba8c498328c394ab6787922.jpg)
Love that and I think I will be getting something together to incorporate that
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on January 07, 2017, 06:37:48 PM
Just saw this on FB from a Kopite

Said he was fishing, but it's every day.
Obsessed.
Liverpool looking to buy woodison to knock down for new training complex 1/2 mile from anfield... now that would ruffle a few feathers estimated value 15 mill and Everton will throw a cuckoo clock in


Not sure it's anywhere near big enough for a training complex...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 07, 2017, 06:41:21 PM
Not sure it's anywhere near big enough for a training complex...

well they're already playing in our old stadium, makes sense for them to inherit our current one too
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on January 07, 2017, 06:47:25 PM
When we move we should build a giant statue at Goodison like the colossus of Rhodes with Kevin Sheedy flicking the v's towards mordor.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on January 10, 2017, 03:30:03 AM
https://twitter.com/TheTopBalcony/status/818568994483503104
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Paddockoldie on January 10, 2017, 05:35:16 AM
There should a giant, upstanding blue middle finger on the roof in the direction of the RS's new stand.... this stadium will be a huge statement for us. In the banks of the royal blue Mersey at last
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: brap2 on January 10, 2017, 05:45:13 AM
I'd settle for a win against them at either ground at some point before I strangle someone on Derby day.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 11, 2017, 06:33:20 PM
Bit of a rehash of a few old stories but worth a look..........
http://www.thetopbalcony.com/these-are-all-the-hints-that-everton-are-moving-to-bramley-moore-dock/677
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bigmanbob on January 11, 2017, 06:50:38 PM
Cheers Al
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 11, 2017, 09:44:47 PM
Cheers Al
............. :cheers:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: griff969 on January 12, 2017, 12:00:25 AM
It would be great if the new Stadium reaches the UEFA Elite Stadium criteria. Imagine the red mist if it got used for Europa League or Champions League Finals?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on January 12, 2017, 12:12:33 AM
It would be great if the new Stadium reaches the UEFA Elite Stadium criteria. Imagine the red mist if it got used for Europa League or Champions League Finals?

why? are you implying our cousins across the park are in some way.........envious? jealous? why they don't worry about us at all, we are the obsessed one's (they say) we are the bitter one's(they say).

you must be misinformed, must be those pesky chelsea fan's spreading rumour's or the manc's. they always cause problems for "the best fan's"



 lolol lolol lolol lolol

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2017, 12:20:36 AM
When we move we should build a giant statue at Goodison like the colossus of Rhodes with Kevin Sheedy flicking the v's towards mordor.

Adore this
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 12, 2017, 12:40:15 AM
It would be great if the new Stadium reaches the UEFA Elite Stadium criteria. Imagine the red mist if it got used for Europa League or Champions League Finals?

not enough 5 star hotel rooms on Merseyside mate

there needs to be around a thousand if memory serves me correctly, within a 20 mile radius or something?

that was one of the main reasons Kirkby wouldn't have achieved that status
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2017, 01:27:53 AM
not enough 5 star hotel rooms on Merseyside mate

there needs to be around a thousand if memory serves me correctly, within a 20 mile radius or something?

that was one of the main reasons Kirkby wouldn't have achieved that status

Deffo not 1000 rooms, but yeah - there is an arbitrary number knocking about.

There are 2 5* hotels being considered in the city now.
We build one as part of the complex and if Liverpool waters ends up with another then it could be knocking on the door.

But there's still all kinds of hoops/backhanders that would need to be sorted as well.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on January 12, 2017, 01:30:25 AM
not enough 5 star hotel rooms on Merseyside mate

there needs to be around a thousand if memory serves me correctly, within a 20 mile radius or something?

that was one of the main reasons Kirkby wouldn't have achieved that status

I wasn't sure what the radius was because we've got it this year and we don't have that many ( star rooms in the city
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 12, 2017, 01:34:43 AM
Deffo not 1000 rooms, but yeah - there is an arbitrary number knocking about.

There are 2 5* hotels being considered in the city now.
We build one as part of the complex and if Liverpool waters ends up with another then it could be knocking on the door.

But there's still all kinds of hoops/backhanders that would need to be sorted as well.
.............doubt if there will ever be 1,000 5* rooms in Liverpool despite new places opening.  The Emirates doesn't qualify because of lack of parking etc . Plenty of scope for brown envelopes though.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 12, 2017, 01:37:35 AM
Deffo not 1000 rooms, but yeah - there is an arbitrary number knocking about.

There are 2 5* hotels being considered in the city now.
We build one as part of the complex and if Liverpool waters ends up with another then it could be knocking on the door.

But there's still all kinds of hoops/backhanders that would need to be sorted as well.

it was 500 in 2007 apparently

they also require an airport capable of handling an "additional" 80 charter flights per day which is open 24/7
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2017, 07:06:50 PM
Now, i know a lot of you may well hate the design of the new Chelsea stadium:

(https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/sites/default/files/styles/lbhf_style_l/public/newsarticle/new-stamford-bridge-stadium-aerial-1300.jpg?itok=BaiRra6a)



But it is exactly the vein of thinking i pray the architects we have employed are in.
I want something that is properly unique and with a long list of 'firsts'
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on January 12, 2017, 07:15:15 PM
I want something that is properly unique and with a long list of 'firsts'
The first stadium designed like an egg slicer?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2017, 07:17:39 PM
The first stadium designed like an egg slicer?

Well, it would be the second stadium designed like an egg slicer if we did it.

But yeah, something that is just clearly and obviously unrecognisable compared to every other ground
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on January 12, 2017, 07:23:10 PM
It looks like one of those ugly "brutalism" buildings built in the 60's or 70's for some midlands council that they're desperate to knock down now but can't afford a new one.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 12, 2017, 07:28:11 PM
Well, it would be the second stadium designed like an egg slicer if we did it.

But yeah, something that is just clearly and obviously unrecognisable compared to every other ground

(http://just4keepers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/mmabatho-stadium1-South-Africa1.jpg)  lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2017, 07:29:45 PM
  lolol

Brilliant.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on January 12, 2017, 07:32:53 PM
Now, i know a lot of you may well hate the design of the new Chelsea stadium:

(https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/sites/default/files/styles/lbhf_style_l/public/newsarticle/new-stamford-bridge-stadium-aerial-1300.jpg?itok=BaiRra6a)



But it is exactly the vein of thinking i pray the architects we have employed are in.
I want something that is properly unique and with a long list of 'firsts'

I hate how it looks from the air, but the ground photos with the brick pillars I quite like.  So basically I want something that looks old from the floor, and isn't stupidly shaped so that it looks ridiculous from the air.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: cantoffee on January 12, 2017, 08:04:39 PM
Not sure what everyone is worried about.

Soon enough the "USM 1000 5 star hotel rooms hotel" and the "USM 24/7 80 charter flights a day airport" will open and we'll have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on January 12, 2017, 08:19:22 PM
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/z/k~AAAOxy3NBSe2wE/$T2eC16VHJIIFHIuqcGR+BSe2wEP8ew~~_32.JPG)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 12, 2017, 08:26:07 PM
That Chelsea stadium looks like a cats arse.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Lxxx on January 12, 2017, 08:29:09 PM
Something that resembles Goodison to maintain the acoustics, minus the pillars, would work for me. Keep the traditional feel and proximity to the pitch but bring it up to date. With a post-modern avant garde exterior obviously.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 12, 2017, 08:35:45 PM
Something that resembles Goodison to maintain the acoustics, minus the pillars, would work for me. Keep the traditional feel and proximity to the pitch but bring it up to date. With a post-modern avant garde exterior obviously.

I want a fucking spaceship crossed with a monkey wrench
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2017, 08:53:48 PM
Feng Shui is a must

Calmness and happiness
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 12, 2017, 09:22:42 PM
Feng Shui is a must

Calmness and happiness

And Batman lights. Lots of.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 12, 2017, 09:32:05 PM
And Batman lights. Lots of.

With a silhouette of Sheedy flicking the v's instead of the Batman sign
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 12, 2017, 09:41:01 PM
With a silhouette of Sheedy flicking the v's instead of the Batman sign

And a Duncan ferguson tattooed gun flex. Pow!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 13, 2017, 01:40:21 AM
Just been sent this
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Danny on January 13, 2017, 01:42:11 AM
Just been sent this

Brilliant
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: cantoffee on January 13, 2017, 01:44:28 AM
Amazing lol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on January 13, 2017, 01:50:39 AM
Hearing rumors of Kopites going to stage a march to stop the Listed wall from being brought down.

The sheer Irony of Kopites marching to prevent a wall coming down is just brilliant.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 13, 2017, 01:52:27 AM
Hearing rumors of Kopites going to stage a march to stop the Listed wall from being brought down.

The sheer Irony of Kopites marching to prevent a wall coming down is just brilliant.

This has to happen
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on January 13, 2017, 02:03:44 AM
Hearing rumors of Kopites going to stage a march to stop the Listed wall from being brought down.

The sheer Irony of Kopites marching to prevent a wall coming down is just brilliant.

Will the wall not stay any, given that it's listed?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on January 13, 2017, 02:09:28 AM
Will the wall not stay any, given that it's listed?

I asked this myself and my mate said in some circumstances it can come down, but I think we just want to adjust it somehow I am not sure, either way it will stay I reckon, as they are gonna have to incorporate the ground around the listed structures.

The bottom line being I wanna see them march just to embarrass themselves.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Robioto on January 13, 2017, 02:26:10 AM
That Chelsea stadium is hideous. Thought it was a joke at first.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toffee1 on January 13, 2017, 02:35:40 AM
That Chelsea stadium is hideous. Thought it was a joke at first.

It is - looks like a big ashtray.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on January 13, 2017, 02:50:38 AM
I like the Chelsea stadium
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 13, 2017, 05:12:10 AM
Just been sent this
Got to be a fucking wind up that
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 13, 2017, 05:13:21 AM
Will the wall not stay any, given that it's listed?
Yes the wall will stay will be incorporated into the ground build, as will the other 2 listed buildings within the vicinity
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blueski on January 13, 2017, 05:27:20 AM
Kind of think if we do something unique I'd personally like to see us try to break new ground in terms of the internet / connectedness

something to break new ground on how a fan watches the match - maybe free streaming service of the game from different angles to supporters within the ground? Live streaming stats? Something like this enhance the fan experience through their moible connections... Add a new dimension or two?

Im not that creative so someone can think of something better Im sure
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 13, 2017, 05:55:10 AM
Just been sent this

Thats made my week - after the Schneidy Snide Schwn Sqwo Skwee Big Morgs signing....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Robbie Moubert on January 13, 2017, 07:40:47 AM
Got to be a fucking wind up that

It's genuine! https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176852 (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176852)

"As football fans and concerned residents in and around the area of Bramley Moore Docks, myself and people of the Anfield area have been are very concerned about traffic issues if the ground goes ahead on this heritage site. BM is a special place as our kids normally like to play in and around the area, people walking their dogs as well as kite flying lessons. We have sent numerous letters to the FA asking them to support our concerns and hopefully have EFC docked points in the coming seasons."

Kite flying lessons!  ;D
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on January 13, 2017, 09:33:12 AM
Someone with too much time on their hands!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 13, 2017, 12:32:55 PM
Sad cunts.

Just when you think they couldn't get any more cringeworthy and pathetic.

Wonder how many of the signatures actually live in the Merseyside area, never mind Bootle/Docks. <10%
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on January 13, 2017, 01:02:23 PM
Looks more like a blue has done it just to say 'Look at these wankers', tbh.  No one is that blatantly bitter, are they?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ell Capitan on January 13, 2017, 01:24:38 PM
Looks more like a blue has done it just to say 'Look at these wankers', tbh.  No one is that blatantly bitter, are they?

Dunno. I'm not gonna rule out marching if they try move to a new, better stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: brap2 on January 13, 2017, 01:46:43 PM
Looks more like a blue has done it just to say 'Look at these wankers', tbh.  No one is that blatantly bitter, are they?

The kids playing inside the tobacco warehouse and flying kites out on Bramley Moore is the tip off.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 13, 2017, 02:39:07 PM
No one is that blatantly bitter, are they?

You didn't listen to any of that Radio Merseyside feature did you?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 13, 2017, 02:49:21 PM
Deffo a blue that petition. They don't have the sense of humour to take the piss out themselves that much..'walk my dog there'- a dig at their WHP protests.

That Chelsea stadium design is fucking hideous. Don't want a shitty art project thanks. What would make our new stadium unique is if we build it as a stadium and include historical features, such as the Leitch framework in the bullens/street end, stay away from a bowl shape. Most stadiums are designed to look like fucking spaceships these days, i hope we swerve that route.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: brap2 on January 13, 2017, 03:12:48 PM
I want it to look genuinely imposing.

The away dressing room floor should intermittently flood, with a roof of about 5 foot 10 and the benches be made of the most splinter-happy wood going.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 13, 2017, 03:26:17 PM
I want it to look genuinely imposing.

The away dressing room floor should intermittently flood, with a roof of about 5 foot 10 and the benches be made of the most splinter-happy wood going.

yes. The away fans not to have a roof as well. And be as far away from the pitch as possible (without being above any home section).
Just make it as miserable for them as possible.

I am worried about that wall. The shit Liverpool Waters have had to go through due to the foundations of walls that no longer exist is unbelievabe. We wont be able to so much as paint the dock wall.

Which isn't the end of the world, if it wasn't for that all important "Halo" they banged onm about when the Loop was first brought up.

Right now, there are two entrances to the dock (both equidistant from Blackstone Street, one being opposite the Bramley pub).
one for the away fans one for us? No way could it support that volume of fans exiting at the same time.

I suppose both could be opened for home fans and possibly be sufficient if we purchase land/make it safe to herd away fans through Nelson dock.

One thing's for sure though, the infrastructure improvements required are massive.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on January 13, 2017, 03:38:48 PM
"Mr Anderson, please knock down this wall"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on January 13, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
It's genuine! https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176852 (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176852)

"As football fans and concerned residents in and around the area of Bramley Moore Docks, myself and people of the Anfield area have been are very concerned about traffic issues if the ground goes ahead on this heritage site. BM is a special place as our kids normally like to play in and around the area, people walking their dogs as well as kite flying lessons. We have sent numerous letters to the FA asking them to support our concerns and hopefully have EFC docked points in the coming seasons."

Kite flying lessons!  ;D

But it is nowhere near Anfield the place not the ground !  Got to be a wind up ! DOCKing points is the give away
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on January 13, 2017, 04:33:50 PM
That Chelsea ground design looks awful from above or from a distance, more like an old car filter. But closer up I think it looks imposing, almost cathedral looking....Not holy or anything like that, but quite like the look of it up close.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheTone on January 13, 2017, 04:46:35 PM
that Chelsea stadium looks like the inside of my hoover from that view
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Escla on January 13, 2017, 04:58:15 PM
Just been sent this

That's a wind up, no such petition exists on the gov.uk site.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on January 13, 2017, 05:07:00 PM
That's a wind up, no such petition exists on the gov.uk site.

It was rejected apparently.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 13, 2017, 05:12:58 PM
That's a wind up, no such petition exists on the gov.uk site.

what,

this petition on a the parliament petion site doesnt exist?:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176852

Or are you saying the parliament petition site is meant to be .gov.uk?
Because it's not
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 13, 2017, 05:41:38 PM
That's a wind up, no such petition exists on the gov.uk site.

Good job you're here to clear that up
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 13, 2017, 06:06:17 PM
Its real, it has to be cos everything on the interweb is real
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on January 13, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
So let me get this right, We support them for fucking years during their Hillsborough inquiry for justice for the 96 and they want to prevent us moving forward. They are truly classless
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 13, 2017, 07:10:42 PM
I want it to look genuinely imposing.

The away dressing room floor should intermittently flood, with a roof of about 5 foot 10 and the benches be made of the most splinter-happy wood going.

Something like this would be perfect:

(https://s24.postimg.org/pvb4xuug5/Voila_Capture_2015_10_20_10_41_55_AM.jpgh)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on January 13, 2017, 07:14:55 PM
Good job you're here to clear that up

Oof, cutting.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on January 13, 2017, 07:31:50 PM
If it's one of us who gave done that it is funny. If it's one of them then its funny but for an entirely different reason
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Escla on January 13, 2017, 08:05:44 PM
what,

this petition on a the parliament petion site doesnt exist?:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/176852

Or are you saying the parliament petition site is meant to be .gov.uk?
Because it's not

Oh you are right ! Unbelievable , what retards came up with that idea !
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on January 13, 2017, 08:22:28 PM
Its real, it has to be cos everything on the interweb is real

Unless Donald Trump deems it FAKE NEWS!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on January 13, 2017, 10:41:58 PM
yes. The away fans not to have a roof as well. And be as far away from the pitch as possible (without being above any home section).
Just make it as miserable for them as possible.maybe leave them at goodison?

I am worried about that wall. The shit Liverpool Waters have had to go through due to the foundations of walls that no longer exist is unbelievabe. We wont be able to so much as paint the dock wall.the kopites hanging from it in protest will do

Which isn't the end of the world, if it wasn't for that all important "Halo" they banged onm about when the Loop was first brought up.

Right now, there are two entrances to the dock (both equidistant from Blackstone Street, one being opposite the Bramley pub).
one for the away fans one for us? No way could it support that volume of fans exiting at the same time.

I suppose both could be opened for home fans and possibly be sufficient if we purchase land/make it safe to herd away fans through Nelson dock.or just let them swim across the mersey?

One thing's for sure though, the infrastructure improvements required are massive.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 13, 2017, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from Mick and Sir Blue ..........
< <  Right now, there are two entrances to the dock (both equidistant from Blackstone Street, one being opposite the Bramley pub).
one for the away fans one for us? No way could it support that volume of fans exiting at the same time.

I suppose both could be opened for home fans and possibly be sufficient if we purchase land/make it safe to herd away fans through Nelson dock.or just let them swim across the mersey?

One thing's for sure though, the infrastructure improvements required are massive. >>
..............this is a major problem and the health and safety boys will be all over it. If it was just a matter of a few new gateways it would be ok ,subject to Listed Building Consent. But to get 50,000 fans in and out while retaining access for emergency services . I think the club will need to control a much greater area of land than just the stadium site . We could be talking about raised walkways ,bridges ,underpasses etc. to get people away to public transport.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 14, 2017, 02:12:34 AM
Exactly.

Those "major obsticals" mentioned in the AGM? They weren't being cute - this is far, far from a done deal.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 14, 2017, 02:30:41 AM
Exactly.

Those "major obsticals" mentioned in the AGM? They weren't being cute - this is far, far from a done deal.
.............Indeed. Before anything can progress there will have to be an agreement between Peel ,EFC and LCC to facilitate the smooth passage of a planning application. I can quite see a situation where one party or another says ' it just won't work ' .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: van der Meyde on January 14, 2017, 06:42:26 AM
Which isn't the end of the world, if it wasn't for that all important "Halo" they banged onm about when the Loop was first brought up.

Right now, there are two entrances to the dock (both equidistant from Blackstone Street, one being opposite the Bramley pub).
Bridges over the wall, tunnels under it and exits through the other docks and job's a good'un. *whistles*

It's definitely not a site that can be done on the cheap as you say though.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 14, 2017, 11:42:31 AM


Quote from Mick and Sir Blue ..........
< <  Right now, there are two entrances to the dock (both equidistant from Blackstone Street, one being opposite the Bramley pub).
one for the away fans one for us? No way could it support that volume of fans exiting at the same time.

I suppose both could be opened for home fans and possibly be sufficient if we purchase land/make it safe to herd away fans through Nelson dock.or just let them swim across the mersey?

One thing's for sure though, the infrastructure improvements required are massive. >>
..............this is a major problem and the health and safety boys will be all over it. If it was just a matter of a few new gateways it would be ok ,subject to Listed Building Consent. But to get 50,000 fans in and out while retaining access for emergency services . I think the club will need to control a much greater area of land than just the stadium site . We could be talking about raised walkways ,bridges ,underpasses etc. to get people away to public transport.

Just as an aside to that  there are 4 other pubs in that area that are still pubs but not used, I know the fella that owns 2 of them.
The new development will include all manner of new retail and leisure, there is already an infrastructure in place for emergency services, that includes water if required, there is access along the water front that can be expanded upon and those dock walls have had massive 18 wheeler trucks in and out of them for decades, pretty sure they will hold up
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 14, 2017, 05:09:17 PM
Tunnels under it would have CABE (Manchester based) and English Heritage (London based) kicking up a shit storm, simply wouldn't get it past them.

Bridges are feasible if we get to knock down a lot of businesses 'over the road'.
That might actually be possible due to the infrastructure improvements/widening of the road.

But yeah, I can't see any other way besides buying into Nelson And Sefton half tide docks
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 20, 2017, 03:25:10 PM
Spurs have released a little teaser clip of how their new stadium will look

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38682911
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on January 20, 2017, 04:35:41 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/watch-incredible-footage-above-potential-12481118
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toffee1 on January 20, 2017, 05:09:05 PM
Spurs have released a little teaser clip of how their new stadium will look

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38682911

Looks good but they will probably all be too pissed to enjoy it as they claim they can deliver 10,000 pints a minute with their new beer delivery system.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on January 20, 2017, 05:17:45 PM
This is the standard though so we're should remember it. I'm not all into the idea of bringing features from goodison into a new stadium, trying to recreate it in small parts. It won't be goodison so let's embrace the location and do something really special. I like the idea of a skylight and city/river views. It would be stunning.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 20, 2017, 05:40:28 PM
750 million for a new stadium though, that's madness
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Makis on January 20, 2017, 05:45:16 PM
How much did the land alone cost? And was that just the stadium rather than the entire development?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on January 20, 2017, 05:48:10 PM
Wot about da trafic and polusion ffs
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 20, 2017, 05:48:56 PM
750 million for a new stadium though, that's madness

Lahndon tho innit. Fackin cantin expensive.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bobbyconrad on January 20, 2017, 06:43:24 PM
Spurs have released a little teaser clip of how their new stadium will look

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38682911

Love me that massive steep single tier at one end! Everything else is fluff, but that would help make the atmosphere.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bigmanbob on January 20, 2017, 06:59:26 PM
£9k season tickets. Yeh, jog on
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on January 20, 2017, 07:51:02 PM
Wot about da trafic and polusion ffs

Won't bother you pal, the air quality in Norway is exceptional.

:)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on January 20, 2017, 08:36:35 PM

Just as an aside to that  there are 4 other pubs in that area that are still pubs but not used, I know the fella that owns 2 of them.
The new development will include all manner of new retail and leisure, there is already an infrastructure in place for emergency services, that includes water if required, there is access along the water front that can be expanded upon and those dock walls have had massive 18 wheeler trucks in and out of them for decades, pretty sure they will hold up
Sorry we have had our differences and hopefully we will get over them but !!!they have emergency services including WATER ,I just had to laugh
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on January 20, 2017, 08:43:28 PM
This is the standard though so we're should remember it. I'm not all into the idea of bringing features from Goodison into a new stadium, trying to recreate it in small parts. It won't be Goodison so let's embrace the location and do something really special. I like the idea of a skylight and city/river views. It would be stunning.
I agree on some points but we are moving home and when you do ,do you buy all new furniture? It is a shame if none of the Old Lady makes the trip at least in features .I know lots of architects and they love the idea of incorporating features ,I am not saying take bits but the ideas and the "look "of Goodison would be a winner for me .May I say I don't need the shape but the feel and look inside would be great
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Tinga on January 20, 2017, 09:01:10 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/watch-incredible-footage-above-potential-12481118

Kerbal Space Program is an interesting choice of music.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 20, 2017, 09:02:24 PM
Sorry we have had our differences and hopefully we will get over them but !!!they have emergency services including WATER ,I just had to laugh
If you don't know what I mean by that then there's not much I can do to help.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Makis on January 20, 2017, 09:11:10 PM
Usually the reason you bring your old furniture is because you can't afford all new ones. Once you settle in, at some point the missus starts to look at the old furniture and the new house and deciedes an upgrade is needed.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on January 20, 2017, 09:42:59 PM
If you don't know what I mean by that then there's not much I can do to help.
Of course I understand but do you not see I was offering the olive branch?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on January 20, 2017, 09:44:37 PM
Usually the reason you bring your old furniture is because you can't afford all new ones. Once you settle in, at some point the missus starts to look at the old furniture and the new house and deciedes an upgrade is needed.
I am sure you mean well but please read my post and DO NOT suppose you know what I have written ,please read it to the end and then you might understand my point
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on January 20, 2017, 09:47:55 PM
Why do Spurs feel that the second most important thing about their new ground is its got a bakery onsite?

And why is the echo telling me about the opportunity to clean some blokes house for £45p/h if I was female and would do it in the nuddy?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 20, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
And why is the echo telling me about the opportunity to clean some blokes house for £45p/h if I was female and would do it in the nuddy?

I'll do it for £30p/h
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 20, 2017, 10:42:51 PM
Why do Spurs feel that the second most important thing about their new ground is its got a bakery onsite?

And why is the echo telling me about the opportunity to clean some blokes house for £45p/h if I was female and would do it in the nuddy?

£65.

Don't undercut yourself.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 20, 2017, 10:49:30 PM
Why do Spurs feel that the second most important thing about their new ground is its got a bakery onsite?
.................it's going to be the biggest Greggs in London  ;D
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on January 20, 2017, 11:49:35 PM
Of course I understand but do you not see I was offering the olive branch?
Don't understand why you feel the need to offer an olive branch.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ravardo on January 21, 2017, 07:11:48 AM
Best part of spurs new stadium is the blue seats,,i had quick flash forward in my mind when i saw them :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on January 21, 2017, 05:03:18 PM
I don't know where to start with this.

Quote from: Spurs New Stadium
Indeed it will, as the Tunnel Club will provide one of the elite premium experiences the club has unveiled, with one-way glass panels lining the tunnel. The players will not in return be able to gaze at the lucky 104 supporters enjoying their fine dining in this area, but knowing Pochettino the onus will be on making sure they will be focused enough on their job in hand.

The most expensive seats in the exclusive “H Club” will cost an even prettier penny. A £15,000 joining fee – and any client must buy a pair of tickets – will put any takers back £30,000 before watching even a minute of football. It includes the kind of attention to detail that offers a cheese room for clients to select their own specially sourced half-time cheeses.

£30k for something that you'll only get the benefit of if you miss the start and end of the games?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on January 21, 2017, 05:09:51 PM
I don't know where to start with this.

£30k for something that you'll only get the benefit of if you miss the start and end of the games?

When I read this the other day I instantly thought of the new monkey house at Chester Zoo.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 21, 2017, 05:14:06 PM
When I read this the other day I instantly thought of the new monkey house at Chester Zoo.

Wouldn't be far off if Bale with still there with his simian features
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 21, 2017, 05:52:33 PM
I don't know where to start with this.

£30k for something that you'll only get the benefit of if you miss the start and end of the games?
...............missing the start and end of games doesn't seem to bother a lot of people at Goodison
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toffee1 on January 24, 2017, 01:48:56 AM
Article about Feyenoord's new waterfront stadium project.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-can-everton-learn-feyenoords-12496530


Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on January 24, 2017, 02:03:58 AM
Wow.

Virtually a full erection.

We absolutely HAVE to build on the docks now.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on January 24, 2017, 03:46:47 PM
I agree on some points but we are moving home and when you do ,do you buy all new furniture? It is a shame if none of the Old Lady makes the trip at least in features .I know lots of architects and they love the idea of incorporating features ,I am not saying take bits but the ideas and the "look "of Goodison would be a winner for me .May I say I don't need the shape but the feel and look inside would be great

This.

I am all for a 100% brand new modern stadium.

But it's going into Bramley Moore Docks. The walls and gates are historic themselves. There are a couple of historic, listed buildings that need to be incorporated into the site anyway.

I am hoping that Meis and everyone else can come up with a fantastic, great new stadium - but one that says 'Heritage'.

And a few subtle touches from the Grand Old Lady would work very well with that in my opinion.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 24, 2017, 03:55:30 PM
Id like to see St Rupert's tower added somewhere
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 24, 2017, 03:58:38 PM
Id like to see St Rupert's tower added somewhere
................you better get on the phone to the Vatican mate . He's only a Prince at the moment.   lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 24, 2017, 04:06:59 PM
................you better get on the phone to the Vatican mate . He's only a Prince at the moment.   lolol

Oh fucking hell  :blush:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 24, 2017, 06:16:12 PM
................you better get on the phone to the Vatican mate . He's only a Prince at the moment.   lolol
Already done. Didn't someone go about 3 months ago (Dianne Baxendale?) about EITC and the work it does and the awards it has won?
I'm sure it was sorted then and hopefully announced before the end of the Sainthood Window at Easter
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on January 24, 2017, 06:31:33 PM
St Rupert's tower in the corner instead of the church
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 24, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
I'm kinda getting on board with the Koeman and Moshiri way of doing things. Especially the way he doesn't really do sentiment. Maybe it's the way forward with Bradley moore too. Yes we could incorporate a king Ruperts todger or a fecking church in the corner, at great expense, or we could just go full retard with a brand spanking, super modern, eye-wateringly brilliant and unique new design that shapes Evertons identity for the next 100 years.

We had 20 years of sentiment with Kenwright and it didn't really get us anywhere.

Maybe it's time to move on. In every way.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on January 24, 2017, 08:25:24 PM
I'm kinda getting on board with the Koeman and Moshiri way of doing things. Especially the way he doesn't really do sentiment. Maybe it's the way forward with Bradley moore too. Yes we could incorporate a king Ruperts todger or a fecking church in the corner, at great expense, or we could just go full retard with a brand spanking, super modern, eye-wateringly brilliant and unique new design that shapes Evertons identity for the next 100 years.

We had 20 years of sentiment with Kenwright and it didn't really get us anywhere.

Maybe it's time to move on. In every way.


I agree with your sentiment (pun intended) - but the fact is we're moving to a historical site with listed and protected features - otherwise I'd be going all out for the full-on visionary future stadium.

If we do BMD we will be surrounded by history and heritage so there will have to be some concession to that. As we are a club rich in history and heritage I'm saying we could make the most of it.

(http://static.hotukdeals.com/images/threads/high-res/1164749_1.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on January 24, 2017, 08:46:58 PM
I'm kinda getting on board with the Koeman and Moshiri way of doing things. Especially the way he doesn't really do sentiment. Maybe it's the way forward with Bradley moore too. Yes we could incorporate a king Ruperts todger or a fecking church in the corner, at great expense, or we could just go full retard with a brand spanking, super modern, eye-wateringly brilliant and unique new design that shapes Evertons identity for the next 100 years.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/gWaKXZ1X8rHOM/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 24, 2017, 09:41:02 PM
A lot of times to satisfy planning permission they want to see a clear distinction between old and new.
An ultra modern stadium whilst preserving a lot of the historic walls, gates and floors would likely be a good option all round.

Trying to make a new building fit in to a historic surrounding (unless its a restoration) doesn't always sit well, as what's old and important sometimes gets muddled up with what's brand new.

A good example is the Albert docks that was a restoration project, so they tried to keep the building looking very similar to how they originally looked, from the outside anyway.

Then when Liverpool 1 was built they didn't try and keep that theme going, because it was new builds, so they have made L1 ultra modern, and they both compliment each other.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Escla on January 24, 2017, 10:49:01 PM

I agree with your sentiment (pun intended) - but the fact is we're moving to a historical site with listed and protected features - otherwise I'd be going all out for the full-on visionary future stadium.

If we do BMD we will be surrounded by history and heritage so there will have to be some concession to that. As we are a club rich in history and heritage I'm saying we could make the most of it.

(http://static.hotukdeals.com/images/threads/high-res/1164749_1.jpg)

It's a dock FFS not a cathedral ! Keep the walls or whatever the fuck is listed and build a feckin stadium that you can see from Mars within the boundary.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on January 24, 2017, 10:56:29 PM
................you better get on the phone to the Vatican mate . He's only a Prince at the moment.   lolol

I'll have a word with Pappa Frank
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on January 24, 2017, 10:59:23 PM
I like the fact that today I read a comment where one of them lot referred to us as the Bramley Bitters. They are getting more worried by the day
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 24, 2017, 11:05:09 PM
A lot of times to satisfy planning permission they want to see a clear distinction between old and new.
An ultra modern stadium whilst preserving a lot of the historic walls, gates and floors would likely be a good option all round.

Any moment now that condescending hit from grand designs is gonna pop up and tell us we need a juxtaposition of old and new.

Cheers Kev.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 24, 2017, 11:13:28 PM
I like the fact that today I read a comment where one of them lot referred to us as the Bramley Bitters. They are getting more worried by the day

Better to be a Bramley bitter than left behind in L4.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: griff969 on January 25, 2017, 12:24:25 AM
Whatever is listed needs to be preserved. However, the whole Liverpool waterfront is a mixture of historic and modern and it works. Any new stadium at BM needs to be a statement, not just for the club but also the city.

I like the idea that something of the old Goodison should be represented at the new stadium too. Goodison was the superior stadium in this city for many, many years. Double the amount of FA Cup semi-finals and a World Cup Semi Final shows just how much Goodison was regarded right up until the late 1980's when compared to Anfield. Anfield had the Kop but the other three sides were very dull single deck stands in the 70's and 80's, much like our current Park End, until they redeveloped. It will be sad to see Goodison go and some reference to it at the new stadium would be a nice touch.

The Archibald Leitch blue criss-cross all the way around and some incorporation of the tower would be great.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 25, 2017, 12:39:05 AM
The Archibald Leitch blue criss-cross all the way around

that is my suggestion - not on the inside though, on the outside

it fits well with the industrial surroundings too

the tower is the tower and it's never been part of the ground though.  it is where it is and it's special there, there's no real need to incorporate it into the new ground.

be boss if the pump-house or whatever the old building is on the site could be incorporated into the corner of the ground somehow though, like the church is at Goodison - but not impeding seating availability and entirely controlled by the club, but just so it's something "different" to other new stadiums
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on January 27, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
Meanwhile, the makeover continues at Goodison Park...
https://twitter.com/CLA_Architects/status/824730336923938816
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 27, 2017, 05:40:31 AM
What is the point in that tower? Is it just to make it feel more enclosed?
I walk under it every time I go the game and I cant see it serving any real purpose, its got no interior or levels inside, its just a shell stuck in the corner.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 27, 2017, 05:44:06 AM
What is the point in that tower? Is it just to make it feel more enclosed?
I walk under it every time I go the game and I cant see it serving any real purpose, its got no interior or levels inside, its just a shell stuck in the corner.
Its so you cant see Anfield from Goodison
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 27, 2017, 05:45:37 AM
What is the point in that tower? Is it just to make it feel more enclosed?
I walk under it every time I go the game and I cant see it serving any real purpose, its got no interior or levels inside, its just a shell stuck in the corner.
If it keeps the wind from Annfield out I'm all for it

Apparently it was so bad last night Liverpool coukdnt cope
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 27, 2017, 05:48:13 AM
If it keeps the wind from Annfield out I'm all for it

Apparently it was so bad last night Liverpool coukdnt cope
Its so you cant see Anfield from Goodison

I've heard this a few times, is that genuinely the reason why though?
I've sat in the PE for years so I cant see through the gap anyway.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on January 27, 2017, 06:26:46 AM
I thought it was confirmed that it is for projecting that lighting display (?) up into the sky.
It does seem a shame to stop speculating though! I've often wondered how they dried those giant advertising tarpaulins that get soaked on the pitch before kick off. Looking at the pictures above is it co-incidence that it's just the right shape for pegging it out in to dry and air before the next game?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 27, 2017, 06:52:18 AM
A lot of times to satisfy planning permission they want to see a clear distinction between old and new.
An ultra modern stadium whilst preserving a lot of the historic walls, gates and floors would likely be a good option all round.

Trying to make a new building fit in to a historic surrounding (unless its a restoration) doesn't always sit well, as what's old and important sometimes gets muddled up with what's brand new.

A good example is the Albert docks that was a restoration project, so they tried to keep the building looking very similar to how they originally looked, from the outside anyway.

Then when Liverpool 1 was built they didn't try and keep that theme going, because it was new builds, so they have made L1 ultra modern, and they both compliment each other.

Blue pitch.  Sorted.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on January 27, 2017, 09:04:33 AM
What is the point in that tower? Is it just to make it feel more enclosed?
I walk under it every time I go the game and I cant see it serving any real purpose, its got no interior or levels inside, its just a shell stuck in the corner.

So it looks symmetrical.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on January 27, 2017, 05:03:52 PM
Keep up the sexy cladding pics lads!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 27, 2017, 05:27:52 PM
Reopen the cladding thread!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bingham Boy on January 27, 2017, 05:44:41 PM
Love me that massive steep single tier at one end! Everything else is fluff, but that would help make the atmosphere.

I'd have a massive single tier at both ends.

Be bold Everton. Be the best.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bobbyconrad on January 27, 2017, 06:02:59 PM
I'd have a massive single tier at both ends.

Be bold Everton. Be the best.

I was just referring to the Feyennord model,but if it was my choice for Everton I am in total agreement with you.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 27, 2017, 11:29:21 PM
Off Twitter, from a decent account...

(https://s29.postimg.org/a0m3ivzsn/IMG_1783.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 27, 2017, 11:51:53 PM
Whoever wrote that failed to get it proofread.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on January 28, 2017, 12:29:45 AM
on the banks of the royal blue Mersey   :woohoo:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on January 28, 2017, 12:35:30 AM
£200m sounds a very conservative estimation to me
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on January 28, 2017, 12:53:11 AM
£200m sounds a very conservative estimation to me

that's not a stadium estimate, it's "the amount the construction company will be paid" estimate.  the value is the value to the company doing the building work, not the value of the project.

Barbour ABI are a middle-man for getting building quotes etc for large projects, judging by their website
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Eddie on January 28, 2017, 01:15:46 AM
£200m sounds a very conservative estimation to me

That's my though too...spurs will pay £400m for theirs. Given the work that will be involved making the dock 'habitable', not to mention the surrounding  infrastructure, £200m seems extreamly unrealistic.

Update: Si's just answered it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on January 28, 2017, 01:31:57 AM
For 200mill there will be no stands and everyone needs towear outdoor gear to protect them from the wind whistling up the Mersey
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 28, 2017, 02:59:08 AM
Isn't £200m for just the landscaping and road works below.

They aren't gonna just hire 1 company to do everything. A bloke in a van hasn't  just rocked up and said "ye I reckon £200m should cover it"
They'll have estimates and invoices from lots of different companies for not only the stadium but surrounding area.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 28, 2017, 03:18:48 AM
Isn't £200m for just the landscaping and road works below.

They're aren't gonna just hire 1 company to do everything. A bloke in a van hasn't  just rocked up and said "ye I reckon £200m should covet it"
They'll have estimated and invoices from lots of different companies for not only the stadium but surrounding area.

Everton we're talking about here init.

Probably get Jason Grimshaw to build the thing.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on January 28, 2017, 03:25:15 AM
Off Twitter, from a decent account...

(https://s29.postimg.org/a0m3ivzsn/IMG_1783.jpg)
So we expecting to hear something in April then? 😉 Haha April 1st!! 😂
If this spreads like wildfire though will the club announce something sooner than then?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alfie Noakes on January 28, 2017, 03:29:30 AM
Talking about a lot of money here.

The stadium in Mainz which opened in 2011 and has a capacity of 34000 cost 70 million Euros. Everton are clearly going to build something special though.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on January 29, 2017, 04:41:52 PM
Any construction professionals on here want to search for it on Glenigans as well and share the info?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 29, 2017, 05:24:25 PM
https://theesk.org/2017/01/28/evertons-new-stadium-an-estimate-of-costs-what-it-means-for-fans-and-funding/
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on January 29, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
https://theesk.org/2017/01/28/evertons-new-stadium-an-estimate-of-costs-what-it-means-for-fans-and-funding/

After reading that I can only conclude that we're staying put and ticket prices will be going up Al.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 29, 2017, 05:46:31 PM
After reading that I can only conclude that we're staying put and ticket prices will be going up Al.
...............I think we'll stay at Goodison until we get a few years wear out of the cladding.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on January 29, 2017, 06:40:13 PM
...............I think we'll stay at Goodison until we get a few years wear out of the cladding.

You reckon it will be finished at some point within that time period?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on January 30, 2017, 09:54:08 PM
http://www.thetopbalcony.com/work-begins-on-18-million-dock-road-improvements-in-april/845
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on January 30, 2017, 10:08:47 PM
https://twitter.com/Meisarch/status/788495554309296128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/Meisarch/status/788492893337956352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: philo beddo on February 01, 2017, 05:26:29 AM
Straight out the game then into the tai pan. Sweeeeeet.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 01, 2017, 02:52:06 PM
Did i read there used tobe a train station somewhere on that part of the northern line?

I know they're going to make another one.
Be perfect if it was put between Boundary & Luton Street.
Buy up the buildings in front of it and use that and the grass as a fan park/boulevard.
But i think there are some active and decent size businesses there so probably a non-starter.

There is a huge tract of unused land right over the road from the main building in Stanley dock, but the housing estate behind it may be cause fo concern
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on February 01, 2017, 03:53:42 PM
Did i read there used tobe a train station somewhere on that part of the northern line?

I know they're going to make another one.
Be perfect if it was put between Boundary & Luton Street.
Buy up the buildings in front of it and use that and the grass as a fan park/boulevard.
But i think there are some active and decent size businesses there so probably a non-starter.

There is a huge tract of unused land right over the road from the main building in Stanley dock, but the housing estate behind it may be cause fo concern

Think the train station used to be much closer to town, just before where the line goes underground now, but that was before Exchange Station opened.

That plot of land you mention would be the obvious place both due to space and it's roughly equidistant to Sandhills and Moorfields.

I suppose access could be directed away from the housing estate.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 01, 2017, 05:09:00 PM
There was a goods station at Great Howard St. ,just North of Leeds St. on top of that big arch but I can't find any mention of a passenger station. There is a piece of land on Lightbody St. which could maybe house a station and that is very close to the Tobacco warehouse. LCC have said there is a new station planned but I don't know exactly where.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Lightbody+St,+Liverpool+L5/@53.4224524,-2.995451,3a,75y,73.31h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smtKRdePp7fmhRe9Fw4_wlQ!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fmaps%2Fphotothumb%2Ffd%2Fv1%3Fbpb%3DChAKDnNlYXJjaC5UQUNUSUxFEiAKEgkLMO6aSyF7SBEo7jXhywzwzyoKDQAAAAAVAAAAABoECFYQVg%26gl%3DGB!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x487b214b9aee300b:0xcff00ccbe135ee28!8m2!3d53.4224414!4d-2.9954986!6m1!1e1
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: D15TIN on February 03, 2017, 03:18:43 AM
Joe Anderson half confirmed the stadium today, also linked it in with the potential commonwealth games, hoping to God there's no running track.. I'd imagine it'd just be temporary for the 2026 games like

He said: “There are exciting opportunities like the Commonwealth Games and my own favourite football team that are going to happen in this area.”
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on February 03, 2017, 03:50:06 AM
A running track around the pitch would be an unprecedented disaster.

Hope not.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on February 03, 2017, 03:52:48 AM
A running track around the pitch would be an unprecedented disaster.

Hope not.

There's no chance of a running track as the commonwealth games will be very unlikely.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on February 03, 2017, 03:54:37 AM
There's no chance of a running track as the commonwealth games will be very unlikely.

True.

Also there is not a shread of chance Dan Meis will design the stadium with a running track in mind.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on February 03, 2017, 04:03:39 AM
Joe Anderson half confirmed the stadium today, also linked it in with the potential commonwealth games, hoping to God there's no running track.. I'd imagine it'd just be temporary for the 2026 games like

He said: "There are exciting opportunities like the Commonwealth Games and my own favourite football team that are going to happen in this area."�
Goodison could be transformed into something
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 03, 2017, 04:12:23 AM
Based on the 2022 games timetable ,the 2026 games venue won't be known till 2019 at the earliest. Surely EFC ,Peel and LCC aren't going to just sit back and wait to see what kind of a stadium is required ? There's no saying Liverpool will even get the UK nomination.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on February 03, 2017, 05:26:46 AM
Why don't they just announce it?  It's like a scaled up cock tease this
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on February 03, 2017, 07:43:57 AM
What dock does the Belfast/Liverpool ferry arrive at?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: 74Blue on February 03, 2017, 01:44:22 PM
What dock does the Belfast/Liverpool ferry arrive at?
Anfield
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on February 03, 2017, 02:04:22 PM
Anfield

I don't think so, all Paddys  aren't that dumb
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on February 03, 2017, 02:21:29 PM
What dock does the Belfast/Liverpool ferry arrive at?

It actually goes to Birkenhead not Liverpool. Well the Stenaline one does anyway, not sure if there is more than one.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on February 03, 2017, 02:25:13 PM
What about the P&O ferry
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 03, 2017, 02:45:01 PM
What about the P&O ferry
............think it's Gladstone Dock for the Dublin ferry. It's right up by the container port.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on February 04, 2017, 06:06:55 AM
LOL@200M price estimate. ;D

Try £400M. For a start.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on February 04, 2017, 06:36:36 AM
LOL@200M price estimate. ;D

Try £400M. For a start.

Well, it depends on how big the Usmanov blag is. He could chuck £150m worth of USM branded steel our way............. for a pittance.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: starblood on February 05, 2017, 03:15:07 AM
I don't think this has been posted, and in the absence of the cladding thread, here is a picture of the tarps on Bullens Road (that look finished finally) from todays game.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 08, 2017, 03:20:37 PM
This Peel video isn't new but I haven't seen it posted. Dated Feb 2016 ,it gives a good overview of the BM site and close-ups of the dock wall and Victoria Tower ,which looks badly neglected.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on February 08, 2017, 04:07:42 PM
http://toffeeweb.com/magazine/articles/16-17/34437.html

If you have a spare 3 hours in your life. Give this a read.

Long article and does not tell us anything we don't already know but it's a good read.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on February 08, 2017, 04:24:21 PM
I don't think this has been posted, and in the absence of the cladding thread, here is a picture of the tarps on Bullens Road (that look finished finally) from todays game.

Gorgeous
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Escla on February 08, 2017, 04:37:09 PM
This Peel video isn't new but I haven't seen it posted. Dated Feb 2016 ,it gives a good overview of the BM site and close-ups of the dock wall and Victoria Tower ,which looks badly neglected.


At what point in time in the video do we actually see BMD ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on February 08, 2017, 04:42:43 PM
At what point in time in the video do we actually see BMD ?
Pretty much the last few minutes of it concentrates on BMD the very long low brick building and the empty dock next to it that's the site, adjacent to the massive concrete area just beyond the dockers clock mate
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Escla on February 08, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
Thanks !
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Escla on February 08, 2017, 05:01:08 PM
Wow, looks like access is going to be one of the major challenges but otherwise very exiting.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on February 08, 2017, 05:17:09 PM
Wow, looks like access is going to be one of the major challenges but otherwise very exiting.
The access won't be that bad fella, the two major arteries into the city centre run alongside it, one you see on the video and the other is literally a two minute walk up toward North Liverpool, sandhills station is around a 5 to 10 minute walk away therr is going to be another station, £20 million is being spent on the roadways at the minute, I can imagine a ferry terminal being installed too either next to the cruise liner terminal that is going there or using that port, it is also about 10 to 15 minutes walking from Liverpool city centre, there will be new bus routes and timetables.

In short access is not going to be an issue, remember all the freighters that use that road and the gates to the docks on a daily basis.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 08, 2017, 05:28:53 PM
This has been mentioned before. The roads will be made fit for purpose but footfall is tougher.

The attached picture shows current holes in the wall. The blue cross represents Bramley Moore dock's gate.
Two things are certain:
- That is insufficient space for police/fire/premier league rules and regulations for both home and away fans to use to exit the area
- We will not be able to knock down any of the dock wall at all.

I'd say we'll buy access to the gates represented by the purple & green crosses (and thus the break in the wall represented by the 2 red lines as well). Routes will have to be made through working docks then - which will be a shitty way of getting the match.
In saying this, Nelson dock is part of Liverpool waters so that will imrpove (see pic 2)


If i was a betting man i'd say the green and blue crosses and the red lines would be for home supporters and away fans would be herded through the purple gate.
Whether this offers sufficient egress from the "halo" still I dont know.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 08, 2017, 06:01:33 PM
Terrible area for a stadium .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on February 08, 2017, 06:06:01 PM
Terrible area for a stadium .

And you propose where exactly?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 08, 2017, 06:13:56 PM
Terrible area for a stadium .


Surprised you think that ::)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 08, 2017, 07:14:42 PM
This has been mentioned before. The roads will be made fit for purpose but footfall is tougher.

The attached picture shows current holes in the wall. The blue cross represents Bramley Moore dock's gate.
Two things are certain:
- That is insufficient space for police/fire/premier league rules and regulations for both home and away fans to use to exit the area
- We will not be able to knock down any of the dock wall at all.

I'd say we'll buy access to the gates represented by the purple & green crosses (and thus the break in the wall represented by the 2 red lines as well). Routes will have to be made through working docks then - which will be a shitty way of getting the match.
In saying this, Nelson dock is part of Liverpool waters so that will imrpove (see pic 2)

...............Have to partly disagree .I think it will be possible to apply for permission to modify the dock wall to provide new  or wider entrances /exits. Plenty of listed buildings get modified as long as the alterations are in keeping with the original in terms of scale and materials. There will be health and safety considerations which will help our case.


Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on February 08, 2017, 07:16:10 PM
This has been mentioned before. The roads will be made fit for purpose but footfall is tougher.

The attached picture shows current holes in the wall. The blue cross represents Bramley Moore dock's gate.
Two things are certain:
- That is insufficient space for police/fire/premier league rules and regulations for both home and away fans to use to exit the area
- We will not be able to knock down any of the dock wall at all.

I'd say we'll buy access to the gates represented by the purple & green crosses (and thus the break in the wall represented by the 2 red lines as well). Routes will have to be made through working docks then - which will be a shitty way of getting the match.
In saying this, Nelson dock is part of Liverpool waters so that will imrpove (see pic 2)


If i was a betting man i'd say the green and blue crosses and the red lines would be for home supporters and away fans would be herded through the purple gate.
Whether this offers sufficient egress from the "halo" still I dont know.


I'm guessing one of the things being discussed is the provision of other amenities down there such as pubs / bars / restaurants etc and whether they would be on site or part of the overall Liverpool Waters scheme and what that means for working on that whole area.

For instance I'd be amazed if Peel don't want some sort of promenade along the front; maybe they want us to pay for some of that for example.

But it's this sort of thing which makes it easier to see why the negotiations take so long.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 08, 2017, 07:27:16 PM
...............Have to partly disagree .I think it will be possible to apply for permission to modify the dock wall to provide new  or wider entrances /exits. Plenty of listed buildings get modified as long as the alterations are in keeping with the original in terms of scale and materials. There will be health and safety considerations which will help our case.

Well, there is utterly zero chance we can modify these gates:

(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=-0.33387161003177823&ll=53.42761790309191%2C-2.998471600927047&panoid=YLwvx3JioXczHOBWRvrlSg&yaw=258.73218198278767)

We can modify this definitely:
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=4.039107777626555&ll=53.42306542591764%2C-3.000389579666489&panoid=AiR4PjyrDaZx_wDH4vwY4w&yaw=232.58789950562422)

But have you got any idea how much Peel have had to scale back Liverpool Waters due to parts of this kind of wall that has been BURIED for 100 years?
They've basically lost interest in it as a development and are now looking to flog it piecemeal due to the fight it would take to build on top of shit that, for all intents and purposes no longer exists.
I follow Peel and developments like this closely. Trust me, Kirkby residents and Jerry Hall have nothing on what we would encounter if we so much as wanted to paint this wall.


@GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) , that second picture in my previous post shows Peels current plans for Nelson & Bramley. Nelson dock will 100% be dolled up with leisure activities.
Us taking Bramley, the council sorting Great Homer Street & merseyrail opening a station would instantly create an environment where there would be a clamour to invest and create leisure services in Nelson dock.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on February 08, 2017, 07:36:36 PM
With the new station I would think that there would be a 'preferred' or 'expected' route to the ground for fans. With this in mind, would it be too much to consider a raised concourse going over the wall for foot traffic, whilst the gates are confined to mostly vehicular access?

Just a thought - feel free to shoot it down...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on February 08, 2017, 07:36:47 PM
Well, there is utterly zero chance we can modify these gates:

(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=-0.33387161003177823&ll=53.42761790309191%2C-2.998471600927047&panoid=YLwvx3JioXczHOBWRvrlSg&yaw=258.73218198278767)

We can modify this definitely:
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=4.039107777626555&ll=53.42306542591764%2C-3.000389579666489&panoid=AiR4PjyrDaZx_wDH4vwY4w&yaw=232.58789950562422)

But have you got any idea how much Peel have had to scale back Liverpool Waters due to parts of this kind of wall that has been BURIED for 100 years?
They've basically lost interest in it as a development and are now looking to flog it piecemeal due to the fight it would take to build on top of shit that, for all intents and purposes no longer exists.
I follow Peel and developments like this closely. Trust me, Kirkby residents and Jerry Hall have nothing on what we would encounter if we so much as wanted to paint this wall.


@GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) , that second picture in my previous post shows Peels current plans for Nelson & Bramley. Nelson dock will 100% be dolled up with leisure activities.
Us taking Bramley, the council sorting Great Homer Street & merseyrail opening a station would instantly create an environment where there would be a clamour to invest and create leisure services in Nelson dock.
Do you mean Great Howard street as Great Homer is miles away ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 08, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
Well, there is utterly zero chance we can modify these gates:

(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=-0.33387161003177823&ll=53.42761790309191%2C-2.998471600927047&panoid=YLwvx3JioXczHOBWRvrlSg&yaw=258.73218198278767)

We can modify this definitely:
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=4.039107777626555&ll=53.42306542591764%2C-3.000389579666489&panoid=AiR4PjyrDaZx_wDH4vwY4w&yaw=232.58789950562422)

But have you got any idea how much Peel have had to scale back Liverpool Waters due to parts of this kind of wall that has been BURIED for 100 years?
They've basically lost interest in it as a development and are now looking to flog it piecemeal due to the fight it would take to build on top of shit that, for all intents and purposes no longer exists.
I follow Peel and developments like this closely. Trust me, Kirkby residents and Jerry Hall have nothing on what we would encounter if we so much as wanted to paint this wall.


@GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) , that second picture in my previous post shows Peels current plans for Nelson & Bramley. Nelson dock will 100% be dolled up with leisure activities.
Us taking Bramley, the council sorting Great Homer Street & merseyrail opening a station would instantly create an environment where there would be a clamour to invest and create leisure services in Nelson dock.
..............I bow to your superior knowledge of Peel ! I wasn't talking about modifying the ''turret '' style gate posts but possibly making new entrances in the same style. I can't believe the three gates you mentioned earlier are going to adequate for the egress of 50,000 people. I think it was mentioned in earlier posts the possibility of overbridges but ,again ,they would look out of place adjacent the dock wall.
As you say,I think the question of footfall is going to be a stumbling block ( no pun intended )
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 08, 2017, 07:53:51 PM
Do you mean Great Howard street as Great Homer is miles away ?

...........yeh he's been watching too much Simpsons  :snigger:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 08, 2017, 07:57:06 PM
@blue1948 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4273) haha, yes - yes i do. (Even typing it i thought 'was the market there greaty or the heritage. Still didn't get onto it!)

There is no reason 'concourse bridges' cannot be deployed @Alanvideo (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=466) & @Toddacelli (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) , there are one or two places with sufficient land. As you say though, the design of them would have to be pretty impressive to be in keeping with the surroundings. (Heights isn't it's normal issue due to the Regent Road bridge at Collingwood dock).

More than filling in the dock, more than it smelling of shit a couple of times a week due to the treatment works, more than the eyesore the surrounds currently are now, this is (make no mistake) the single largest problem this site has.
It is that big of a problem that i'm still not certain it will go ahead.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on February 08, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
This has been mentioned before. The roads will be made fit for purpose but footfall is tougher.

The attached picture shows current holes in the wall. The blue cross represents Bramley Moore dock's gate.
Two things are certain:
- That is insufficient space for police/fire/premier league rules and regulations for both home and away fans to use to exit the area
- We will not be able to knock down any of the dock wall at all.

I'd say we'll buy access to the gates represented by the purple & green crosses (and thus the break in the wall represented by the 2 red lines as well). Routes will have to be made through working docks then - which will be a shitty way of getting the match.
In saying this, Nelson dock is part of Liverpool waters so that will imrpove (see pic 2)


If i was a betting man i'd say the green and blue crosses and the red lines would be for home supporters and away fans would be herded through the purple gate.
Whether this offers sufficient egress from the "halo" still I dont know.


I don't know the area very well, so apologies if this sounds dumb, but can they not open up the areas to the north and south of the gateways/walls? So that fans have a big 'plaza' style area at each 'end'? Is that possible? This would then allow the wall to be kept as is, with general maintenance around it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 08, 2017, 08:08:28 PM
I don't know the area very well, so apologies if this sounds dumb, but can they not open up the areas to the north and south of the gateways/walls? So that fans have a big 'plaza' style area at each 'end'? Is that possible? This would then allow the wall to be kept as is, with general maintenance around it.

Sort of. To the south we have Nelson dock. (where the arrow is pointing in the second pic of my first post today).
That WILL be a big plaza type place.
Problem is that it's also enclosed by the dockwall - to it's south is another dock that turns into a canal so is covered by a bridge. No entry that way.

To the north is a half tide dock and a working dockside (I think Wellington dock has been filled in now). But that wall stretches a long way north. There are plenty of gates and holes (in fact, there is a repaired part of the wall just to the north now:
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=6.688660637222782&ll=53.42642615324065%2C-2.998999479850767&panoid=B1h6ddnXR7uDkzqCAP4T-g&yaw=236.02271951271928)
(that gate in the background is the the green cross from earlier).

But it would start becoming financially unsound to buy/renovate longer and longer 'water-side-of-the-wall' pathways stretching off.

(Maybe the best thing we could do as Evertonians is to get our HGV licences and have 'accidents at strategic points in this wall.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 08, 2017, 08:33:14 PM
On another note, if we did somehow get permission to 'renovate' those turrets, how fucking awesome would they be as little Prince Rupert's towers?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on February 08, 2017, 09:09:33 PM
I don't know the area very well, so apologies if this sounds dumb, but can they not open up the areas to the north and south of the gateways/walls? So that fans have a big 'plaza' style area at each 'end'? Is that possible? This would then allow the wall to be kept as is, with general maintenance around it.

The docks I think were originally 11 miles long in two stretches and the stretch we want is walled for a long way ,not sure but a few miles ,could be all the way to Seaforth .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on February 08, 2017, 09:10:13 PM
@blue1948 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4273) haha, yes - yes i do. (Even typing it i thought 'was the market there greaty or the heritage. Still didn't get onto it!)

There is no reason 'concourse bridges' cannot be deployed @Alanvideo (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=466) & @Toddacelli (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2432) , there are one or two places with sufficient land. As you say though, the design of them would have to be pretty impressive to be in keeping with the surroundings. (Heights isn't it's normal issue due to the Regent Road bridge at Collingwood dock).

More than filling in the dock, more than it smelling of shit a couple of times a week due to the treatment works, more than the eyesore the surrounds currently are now, this is (make no mistake) the single largest problem this site has.
It is that big of a problem that i'm still not certain it will go ahead.

You'd hope that they'd have considered this sort of thing at the outset of course.

So while it is an obviously big issue, you'd hope that it was considered and ruled in at the start to save time / money / emotion if it wasn't feasible.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 08, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
I reckon our BMD stadium blueprint will involve a Wild West theme park featuring mazy wooden rollercoaster tracks, oversized minecarts to get us in and out. 

We'll probably actually go with a few of those big conveyer belt type things like they have in the L1 tesco, speed cranked up to 11.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on February 08, 2017, 09:12:11 PM
On another note, if we did somehow get permission to 'renovate' those turrets, how fucking awesome would they be as little Prince Rupert's towers?
They would be bigger I think but what about the old overhead railway maybe they could replicate that ,at least in principle to let the crowd out
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on February 08, 2017, 09:15:38 PM
Just on the same theme if we "rebuilt the overhead with "tony Clifton's " conveyor/ escalator system ,it could be perfect because if we have a shit result there will be plenty of height to throw ourselves off
-Sorted
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 08, 2017, 09:16:21 PM
They would be bigger I think but what about the old overhead railway maybe they could replicate that ,at least in principle to let the crowd out

Deffo going to need ideas like that i think.

I mean, Anderson and whatever fuckwhit is in parliament at the minute could strongarm local & whitehall planning bodies to allow us to knock down some of the wall. It is not 100% out of the realms of possibility - but it is so odd it would open up claims of bungs it would be so weird.


Them gates probably are bigger now you mention it. I don't actually think i've ever gone to Prince Ruperts tower, only driven past it.
Still, would look ace
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on February 08, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
Sort of. To the south we have Nelson dock. (where the arrow is pointing in the second pic of my first post today).
That WILL be a big plaza type place.
Problem is that it's also enclosed by the dockwall - to it's south is another dock that turns into a canal so is covered by a bridge. No entry that way.

To the north is a half tide dock and a working dockside (I think Wellington dock has been filled in now). But that wall stretches a long way north. There are plenty of gates and holes (in fact, there is a repaired part of the wall just to the north now:
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=6.688660637222782&ll=53.42642615324065%2C-2.998999479850767&panoid=B1h6ddnXR7uDkzqCAP4T-g&yaw=236.02271951271928)
(that gate in the background is the the green cross from earlier).

But it would start becoming financially unsound to buy/renovate longer and longer 'water-side-of-the-wall' pathways stretching off.

(Maybe the best thing we could do as Evertonians is to get our HGV licences and have 'accidents at strategic points in this wall.

What needs a HGV when NSNO has its own wrecking @bally

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 08, 2017, 09:57:46 PM
I reckon our BMD stadium blueprint will involve a Wild West theme park featuring mazy wooden rollercoaster tracks, oversized minecarts to get us in and out. 

We'll probably actually go with a few of those big conveyer belt type things like they have in the L1 tesco, speed cranked up to 11.
And did you enjoy Disneyland?  😊
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 08, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
And you propose where exactly?

Not sure and I know its not where we want its where we are allowed to build but that is one of the worse places I could imagine to go and watch football . There is nothing around it at all . Industrial fucking wasteland even if is just a hop from the city on the train . Admittedly it might lead to redevelopment but if it doesn;t it will be soulless .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Rodenplav64 on February 08, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
And you propose where exactly?

Not sure and I know its not where we want its where we are allowed to build but that is one of the worse places I could imagine to go and watch football . There is nothing around it at all . Industrial fucking wasteland even if is just a hop from the city on the train . Admittedly it might lead to redevelopment but if it doesn;t it will be soulless .
Surprised you think that ::)

Yes . I did think about blindly going with the flow though .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on February 09, 2017, 12:11:54 AM
Terrible area for a stadium .
Is it really, there are plenty of opportunities for access to be made possible all around that area, they could easily put walkways on the other side of the wall away from the road, the space is massive down there and there is plenty of scope for development and safe development at that.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Makis on February 09, 2017, 12:41:39 AM
What are the building on Wellington Dock?

If Ten Streets happens that area will be transformed.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 09, 2017, 02:39:08 AM
What are the building on Wellington Dock?

If Ten Streets happens that area will be transformed.
..................I think we'll get an idea of what's happening when the new road layout is published ,which is quite soon I think.
http://www.thetopbalcony.com/work-begins-on-18-million-dock-road-improvements-in-april/845
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 09, 2017, 03:54:08 PM
how hard would it be to "wrap" the stadium in a sloping ramp that goes over the wall and slopes down the other side in a similar curve that "wraps" around other stuff?

would make quite a cool structure and give plenty of scope to have statues etc on it as the main walkway

or maybe we could make it like Wembley?

fans go in at a higher level than services / teams / employees so that access at road level isn't a problem because fans don't use that entrance to the ground - incorporate a massive ramp like Wembley Way from the south of the site and a smaller one from the north and job's a good 'un (we're billionaires like, so money shouldn't be an issue!)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 09, 2017, 04:16:35 PM
how hard would it be to "wrap" the stadium in a sloping ramp that goes over the wall and slopes down the other side in a similar curve that "wraps" around other stuff?

would make quite a cool structure and give plenty of scope to have statues etc on it as the main walkway

or maybe we could make it like Wembley?

fans go in at a higher level than services / teams / employees so that access at road level isn't a problem because fans don't use that entrance to the ground - incorporate a massive ramp like Wembley Way from the south of the site and a smaller one from the north and job's a good 'un (we're billionaires like, so money shouldn't be an issue!)
.................I was thinking about the Wembley example last night ,in fact I looked at Wembley on Google Earth. The idea of a ' flyover ' walkway to get fans across the road and the dock wall at the same time might be considered.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Escla on February 09, 2017, 04:18:33 PM
.................I was thinking about the Wembley example last night ,in fact I looked at Wembley on Google Earth. The idea of a ' flyover ' walkway to get fans across the road and the dock wall at the same time might be considered.

Agreed, which one of us is going to tell the architect ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 09, 2017, 04:25:36 PM
Agreed, which one of us is going to tell the architect ?

he probably already knows to be honest, I reckon he's pretty smart

but as it has an effect on our matchgoing experience, it's probably alright for us to talk about stuff between ourselves and ponder what might be done on a new Everton stadium

we've got a blank canvas at Bramley Moore Dock, it might not be a regular shape or have straight, open edges, but we've got an opportunity to do something very exciting with a new stadium and it's refreshing to talk about stuff like this in a positive light, rather than point out the problems with our last stadium plan that got beyond the "idea" stage and got into some actual plans on paper.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 09, 2017, 05:21:38 PM
They're pretty steep walls. You'd have to empty out any businesses between Regent Road & Fulton Street.

But as that currently looks like this:
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=14.575307441837936&ll=53.4243132664725%2C-3.000123821052568&panoid=BfIgVZyrIQCDrha9UTkUdQ&yaw=63.37747967478268)
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=7.346269291151401&ll=53.42522157653774%2C-2.999656365683336&panoid=2jiSQ9YaoCzhHFqHXwHcHA&yaw=146.9177244605131)

I wouldn't be adverse to that haha.

In fact, clearing every other building out up until the Tai Pan would (from Walter Street to Boundary Street) is something i would whole-heartedly recommend to anybody asking.
(Except for the, you know, potential loss of jobs for the guys around there)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on February 09, 2017, 05:39:43 PM
Keep your filthy paws off Terry's Timber
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on February 09, 2017, 06:50:01 PM
Sort of. To the south we have Nelson dock. (where the arrow is pointing in the second pic of my first post today).
That WILL be a big plaza type place.
Problem is that it's also enclosed by the dockwall - to it's south is another dock that turns into a canal so is covered by a bridge. No entry that way.

To the north is a half tide dock and a working dockside (I think Wellington dock has been filled in now). But that wall stretches a long way north. There are plenty of gates and holes (in fact, there is a repaired part of the wall just to the north now:
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=6.688660637222782&ll=53.42642615324065%2C-2.998999479850767&panoid=B1h6ddnXR7uDkzqCAP4T-g&yaw=236.02271951271928)
(that gate in the background is the the green cross from earlier).

But it would start becoming financially unsound to buy/renovate longer and longer 'water-side-of-the-wall' pathways stretching off.

(Maybe the best thing we could do as Evertonians is to get our HGV licences and have 'accidents at strategic points in this wall.

Bet this is why it is taking so long. Dan Meis is just sat there with 9,000 variations of the approach; all with a shitting great wall in the middle he cannot get rid of.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on February 09, 2017, 07:20:01 PM
He can take as long as he wants, can't rush perfection now can he
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gary1878 on February 09, 2017, 07:23:52 PM
I think the wall sounds like a design issue rather than anything major. I think certain structures on the wall will have to be kept, but the majority will be allowed to amended in some way, or even used as a support.

From Wikipedia (The fountain of all knowledge)

In England and Wales, the management of listed buildings is the responsibility of local planning authorities and the Department for Communities and Local Government (i.e., not DCMS, which originally listed the building). There is a general principle that listed buildings are put to 'appropriate and viable use' and recognition that this may involve the re-use and modification of the building.[10] However, listed buildings cannot be modified without first obtaining Listed Building Consent through the relevant local planning authority.[37]

All in all, the wall would certainly be put to good use, but modified in the way that suits the stadium's needs.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on February 09, 2017, 07:26:26 PM
Interesting this.

Would putting in similar gates, with similar stone etc be a problem?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 09, 2017, 07:28:49 PM
Interesting this.

Would putting in similar gates, with similar stone etc be a problem?

probably not

"listed" doesn't mean you can't do anything, it just means you have to do it properly and in a way that is sympathetic to the original architecture - and the decision is also based on the council, who thankfully proper love Everton
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on February 09, 2017, 07:33:55 PM
He can take as long as he wants, can't rush perfection now can he

That's my approach to DIY at home and why I've not finished anything I've started!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on February 09, 2017, 07:37:45 PM
Can we do a "Kevin De Bruyne" and go under the wall?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on February 09, 2017, 07:40:06 PM
Isn't the main obstacle regarding the walls that they're part of the reason the city has world heritage status rather than them simply being a "listed" structure.

Tampering with them in any way may mean the status is removed and I doubt the council would accommodate plans that involve that sort of risk given the amount of money having world heritage status must bring into the area.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 09, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
probably not

"listed" doesn't mean you can't do anything, it just means you have to do it properly and in a way that is sympathetic to the original architecture - and the decision is also based on the council, who thankfully proper love Everton

sort of.
The council grant planning permissions.
If there are any formal objections from sufficient people (or a recognised body) then it gets called into central government.

I Gaurantee that EH & CABE will go nuts over any plans to play about with the wall.

In a rare case of something shit working out for you though, a tory government couoldn't give a shit about people like unesco/cabe/eh so would greenlight it anyway.
If Corbyn fucks off and Labour get's it's act together before this planning permission then it may be a struggle.

I feel like crying when i think what these companies have done to Liverpool Waters' original plans based on buried dock walls.

@Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316) , the world heritage site doesnt stretch that far north. It's to around about Princess dock
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on February 09, 2017, 07:53:10 PM
Can't wait for the DIY: SOS Everton special in 5 years time. 2 weeks to demolish and rebuild a half-built stadium. All the players training outside a caravan around the corner.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on February 09, 2017, 08:17:02 PM
Can we do a "Kevin De Bruyne" and go under the wall?

Brilliant. HAHA!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 09, 2017, 10:55:13 PM
Just posting this for those who are interested - Heritage tour of the docks in 2012. BM dock appears at about 10.30 minutes in and later on too. It shows inside the dockers clock and at about 21.10 minutes shows the dock gates opposite the pub  ,showing the original timber gates on wheels ,which I never knew existed. Unfortunately you can' hear much commentary because of the wind noise.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on February 09, 2017, 11:38:55 PM
sort of.
The council grant planning permissions.
If there are any formal objections from sufficient people (or a recognised body) then it gets called into central government.

I Gaurantee that EH & CABE will go nuts over any plans to play about with the wall.

In a rare case of something shit working out for you though, a tory government couoldn't give a shit about people like unesco/cabe/eh so would greenlight it anyway.
If Corbyn fucks off and Labour get's it's act together before this planning permission then it may be a struggle.

I feel like crying when i think what these companies have done to Liverpool Waters' original plans based on buried dock walls.

@Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316) , the world heritage site doesnt stretch that far north. It's to around about Princess dock

The world heritage site stretches far beyond the Princess dock Mick. It goes past Bramley-Moore as far as the dock boundry wall extends. Maybe you're mixing the UNESCO site up with a conservation area? But it was awarder for an a larger area than just the waterfront around the Three Graces.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on February 10, 2017, 12:02:46 AM
Keep your filthy paws off Terry's Timber

That's what his wife said.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on February 10, 2017, 12:10:12 AM
Isn't the main obstacle regarding the walls that they're part of the reason the city has world heritage status rather than them simply being a "listed" structure.

Tampering with them in any way may mean the status is removed and I doubt the council would accommodate plans that involve that sort of risk given the amount of money having world heritage status must bring into the area.

Isn't the main obstacle regarding the walls that they're part of the reason the city has world heritage status rather than them simply being a "listed" structure.

Tampering with them in any way may mean the status is removed and I doubt the council would accommodate plans that involve that sort of risk given the amount of money having world heritage status must bring into the area.


Fuck them and their looking back at the past.  What good is protecting the 'history' of a shitty old wall at the expense of building a new future for the city?

I love old buildings me, and if its something old like a castle or a cathedral or a church.or an old town centre that's been maintained and is still functional and still looks great, then I understand.  But this is a wall that in parts has been left to fall down(and even in parts be built on top of).  Its not like its the great wall of China.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on February 10, 2017, 12:29:23 AM
Exactly. It's just a ducking wall
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on February 10, 2017, 12:38:09 AM
Fuck them and their looking back at the past.  What good is protecting the 'history' of a shitty old wall at the expense of building a new future for the city?

I love old buildings me, and if its something old like a castle or a cathedral or a church.or an old town centre that's been maintained and is still functional and still looks great, then I understand.  But this is a wall that in parts has been left to fall down(and even in parts be built on top of).  Its not like its the great wall of China.

In the area I live in historic branded (or listed) buildings/structures are allowed to be upgrade or taken down as long as 50% or more of the original structure remains.

Is there nothing like this in place in liverpool, or is the whole wall coming down?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on February 10, 2017, 12:40:56 AM
I'm surprised that there hasn't been a poor taste joke about Liverpool fans helping us out on this one.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on February 10, 2017, 12:41:23 AM
Come on guys, we cannot take the wall down. Where will we put the kopites to shoot them?  :evil:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on February 10, 2017, 12:53:16 AM
That's what his wife said.

Ooooooof
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on February 10, 2017, 01:07:25 AM
I'm surprised that there hasn't been a poor taste joke about Liverpool fans helping us out on this one.

lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 10, 2017, 01:48:02 AM
The world heritage site stretches far beyond the Princess dock Mick. It goes past Bramley-Moore as far as the dock boundry wall extends. Maybe you're mixing the UNESCO site up with a conservation area? But it was awarder for an a larger area than just the waterfront around the Three Graces.

You're right.i thought it stopped with the "pinch point" at princess dock.
So, add UNESCO to CABE & EH as organisations trying to stop this.

Edit
Dunno what this looks like. But there's an attached PDF with a map on
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on February 10, 2017, 02:08:36 AM
I'm surprised that there hasn't been a poor taste joke about Liverpool fans helping us out on this one.

I made a similar one on page 37.

http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54904.540
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on February 10, 2017, 02:19:46 AM
I made a similar one on page 37.

http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=54904.540

Oh sorry I missed that one.  It is not that poor taste really
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on February 10, 2017, 03:00:24 AM
You're right.i thought it stopped with the "pinch point" at princess dock.
So, add UNESCO to CABE & EH as organisations trying to stop this.

Edit
Dunno what this looks like. But there's an attached PDF with a map on

Not been down that way for years so I don't know how this ended

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/peel-apply-knock-holes-historic-3353900

If it was passed maybe precedent has been set already?

My worry is we'd need it to be more gateways than wall to pass health and safety protocol for a new public stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 10, 2017, 04:39:43 AM
Not been down that way for years so I don't know how this ended

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/peel-apply-knock-holes-historic-3353900

If it was passed maybe precedent has been set already?

My worry is we'd need it to be more gateways than wall to pass health and safety protocol for a new public stadium.
....................as @Mick 1995 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) and myself have hinted  ,there is a possibility that there may be too many planning considerations to make this scheme viable . But as @GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) has said ,you would think EFC (and Peel) would have some idea of what can and can't be done before engaging architects or consultants. We don't know anything really ,we need a mole in the planning dept.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on February 10, 2017, 04:42:31 AM
....................as @Mick 1995 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=390) and myself have hinted  ,there is a possibility that there may be too many planning considerations to make this scheme viable . But as @GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) has said ,you would think EFC (and Peel) would have some idea of what can and can't be done before engaging architects or consultants. We don't know anything really ,we need a mole in the planning dept.

.... not yours or my first rodeo Al.

But we can all live in hope I suppose.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on February 10, 2017, 07:51:20 AM
Can we do a "Kevin De Bruyne" and go under the wall?

We could always get the wall 'pushed' down...... no?

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/42/426faecb4c04d283903bee2a891eb2e8d4d0fcb705cd7b557b192f2e95de9802.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on February 10, 2017, 07:52:15 AM
I'm surprised that there hasn't been a poor taste joke about Liverpool fans helping us out on this one.

oh
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bingham Boy on February 10, 2017, 03:03:59 PM
No corporate boxes behind any of the goals.

Do not just have the one stand behind the goal corporate free. Both corporate free.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on February 10, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
We could always get the wall 'pushed' down...... no?

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/42/426faecb4c04d283903bee2a891eb2e8d4d0fcb705cd7b557b192f2e95de9802.jpg)

And get someone to chuck the paving slabs about....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 10, 2017, 03:55:01 PM
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=18.035910532666435&ll=53.41969392911103%2C-3.000132244839619&panoid=UyzyB5wx4bGyPQ5aCT5xxQ&yaw=331.9080110582148)

That bit on the imeediate left is where Peel wanted to knock through. Brings you out into Trafalgar dock (and would be perfect for an away fan gate.
It was a seperate application to the main one and i can't see news on the result anywhere.

The wall is from a different period and of a different material, but i dont think that matters in the grand scheme of things. It's all considered the same wall for planning purposes.

May consider asking the echo to follow up on that actually.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on February 10, 2017, 08:01:51 PM
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=18.035910532666435&ll=53.41969392911103%2C-3.000132244839619&panoid=UyzyB5wx4bGyPQ5aCT5xxQ&yaw=331.9080110582148)

That bit on the imeediate left is where Peel wanted to knock through. Brings you out into Trafalgar dock (and would be perfect for an away fan gate.
It was a seperate application to the main one and i can't see news on the result anywhere.

The wall is from a different period and of a different material, but i dont think that matters in the grand scheme of things. It's all considered the same wall for planning purposes.

May consider asking the echo to follow up on that actually.

The echo are quite busy chasing fsg/nesv out of town and reviewing Middlesbrough trip to Benidorm just now. Can't see them having time for piffling little queries like how we are going to get in and out of our ground. They will get to us when the red shite win the league again. 🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 10, 2017, 08:57:19 PM
(https://geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&authuser=0&hl=en&output=thumbnail&thumb=2&w=345&h=170&pitch=18.035910532666435&ll=53.41969392911103%2C-3.000132244839619&panoid=UyzyB5wx4bGyPQ5aCT5xxQ&yaw=331.9080110582148)

That bit on the imeediate left is where Peel wanted to knock through. Brings you out into Trafalgar dock (and would be perfect for an away fan gate.
It was a seperate application to the main one and i can't see news on the result anywhere.

The wall is from a different period and of a different material, but i dont think that matters in the grand scheme of things. It's all considered the same wall for planning purposes.

May consider asking the echo to follow up on that actually.
..............going back to the post by @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316) about Peel's application in 2012 ,there are two pedestrian doorways in the dock wall by the Malmaison but whether they were pre-existing I can't say. The wall at this point is older and brick built. As the docks expanded Northwards I assume they started to use granite for the walls and turrets.
Incidentally many of the dock walls ,including B-M ,i.e . the dock retaining walls are also listed. The only thing that isn't listed around there is the water.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on February 10, 2017, 11:41:43 PM
So I am reading this thread ad the last few pages, click on the next page of the thread and get an error code... 502 Bad Gateway.


Touche Internet, touche.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 12, 2017, 09:58:11 PM
The latest article from Top Balcony is rather optimistic I think.
http://www.thetopbalcony.com/could-everton-announce-a-bramley-moore-dock-stadium-in-march/974
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bigmanbob on February 13, 2017, 12:51:41 AM
That sounds promising
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on February 13, 2017, 01:20:36 AM
The changes to Finch Farm are being exhibited at MIPIM - different architects, but putting 2 and 2 together it may mean the club will have representatives out there anyway, so...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 13, 2017, 02:08:13 AM
from Top Balcony......
<<  If Everton can get the purchase of the land over the line, it could allow Peel to use it as the big announcement of MIPIM.

That would be good for Peel, good for the city and good for the club. >>
................What announcement could Peel make ? Surely EFC could only agree to buy the land subject to planning permission being granted ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on February 18, 2017, 08:36:53 PM
from Top Balcony......
<<  If Everton can get the purchase of the land over the line, it could allow Peel to use it as the big announcement of MIPIM.

That would be good for Peel, good for the city and good for the club. >>
................What announcement could Peel make ? Surely EFC could only agree to buy the land subject to planning permission being granted ?


I understand your skepticism, but...




Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 18, 2017, 10:50:35 PM
there seems to be an awful lot of wood being stored on the site at the moment
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Tinga on February 18, 2017, 11:38:17 PM
there seems to be an awful lot of wood being stored on the site at the moment

It mirrors the collective wood of our fanbase if this is true.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 18, 2017, 11:43:31 PM
It's for the end we're building that will be facing Anfield:

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 18, 2017, 11:52:46 PM
there seems to be an awful lot of wood being stored on the site at the moment
..............when you say ' the site ' do you mean NSNO ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 18, 2017, 11:59:51 PM
..............when you say ' the site ' do you mean NSNO ?


haha, tired and lazy typing!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 19, 2017, 02:22:51 AM
haha, tired and lazy typing!
...........just kidding mate. Anyway what kind of timber  ? sheets , lengths , large section beams or what ? Is it anything to do with ' the project '
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on February 19, 2017, 02:24:25 AM
Its Oak.  We are going to be the first team to build a stadium out of pure wood.  Fire regs?  Pah
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 19, 2017, 02:24:43 AM
...........just kidding mate. Anyway what kind of timber  ? sheets , lengths , large section beams or what ? Is it anything to do with ' the project '

Looked like a mixture. A lot of sheets though. Would imagine its nothing to do with us though

Lots of work to do before even steel gets brought on site surely?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 19, 2017, 02:32:52 AM
Looked like a mixture. A lot of sheets though. Would imagine its nothing to do with us though

Lots of work to do before even steel gets brought on site surely?
...................yes I doubt it's anything to do with a stadium which may or may not happen. I'm still not convinced it's going ahead but we all get excited at any bit of news don't we ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 19, 2017, 02:43:05 AM
...................yes I doubt it's anything to do with a stadium which may or may not happen. I'm still not convinced it's going ahead but we all get excited at any bit of news don't we ?

Absolutely!

The place looked a LOT more in use than last time I was there which I thought was weird.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on February 19, 2017, 02:44:26 AM
Is it possible it's building site fencing? I would think the civil engineers would be the first in to assess the site.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 19, 2017, 03:28:31 AM
Is it possible it's building site fencing? I would think the civil engineers would be the first in to assess the site.

The site is much bigger than people think if it is, which would be a good thing
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: benny on February 19, 2017, 03:35:05 AM
...................yes I doubt it's anything to do with a stadium which may or may not happen. I'm still not convinced it's going ahead but we all get excited at any bit of news don't we ?

            i would think one of the first signs for the stadium would be a village of portakabins being erected
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on February 19, 2017, 04:00:03 AM
            i would think one of the first signs for the stadium would be a village of portakabins being erected
Literally don't need them, there is already loads of stuff there they could use instead of, there are 3 access gates, the site is fucking huge
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on February 19, 2017, 04:07:14 AM
Anyone any idea how deep the dock Is?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 19, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
Anyone any idea how deep the dock Is?
.............Docks of that age seem to be only about 20 ft. depth of water . Seaforth dock is 50 ft. deep but that was built for much larger ships than the coal trade which used BM dock.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on February 19, 2017, 03:25:23 PM
The depth of the dock ranges from 100ft to 1500ft as this pic shows (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/e07b485c27d0ebb71fc2f6aa9fdbf9b7.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 19, 2017, 04:15:22 PM
Without wishing to cause an argument , 100 ft to 1500 ft refers to the scale of the plan ,it doesn't say that's the depth .
From what I can discover Huskisson dock has a depth of 27 ft of water and Sandon has 25 ft. I guess BM has a similar figure . The depth could be increased by drawing water from the river and I assume this was one of the uses of the hydraulic tower. These depths only refer to the water and there might be 10 to 15 ft above the water to get the total depth of a dock.
Not sure why we're having this conversation but it is interesting ( to me at least )
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Makis on February 19, 2017, 04:54:21 PM
1500ft deep hole would be crazy deep. Eiffel Tower is just under 1000 feet tall.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on February 19, 2017, 04:55:36 PM
I'm just wondering, if it was 1500 foot deep, 457 metres, that’s 270 feet short of a mile in depth. I would think the project would be a nonstarter for landfill. I'm just trying to gauge the size of the task ahead and if at all it would be feasible as we'd all be getting excited over nothing. Obviously it's not that deep. It wouldn't be getting discussed even at this early stage. Not unless there was some way to bridge the pitch and build the stadium straddling the dock walls. I'm just looking at options. If it's all approved, in the long run it's going to be interesting to see the process. Any Marine engineers out there?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Makis on February 19, 2017, 04:56:18 PM
Come to think of it, if it's about 30 feet, why fill it? Put in a cantilever and use the space for thing like exec parking and maintenance facilities.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on February 19, 2017, 05:10:07 PM
how many kopites would it take to fill it?  :whistle: :evil:


 lolol lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on February 19, 2017, 05:50:49 PM
I have no knowledge art all about this but there's no way it's 1500 foot deep!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on February 19, 2017, 06:14:25 PM
I have no knowledge art all about this but there's no way it's 1500 foot deep!



Obviously not. I'm fairly sure we're talking in depths of 50 -100 feet and under. I'm not sure of the draught of the boats that used it. I was hoping someone would come up with some of the dock specifications regarding depth. There's nothing I can find that gives any real indication of landfill volume.  :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: kbh triangle on February 19, 2017, 07:49:32 PM
This is my first post (I think) in 51 years of supporting the Toffees. It has just taken some 35 minutes to read the last 10 or so posts in this thread, due to crying with laughter!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on February 19, 2017, 07:54:31 PM
This is my first post (I think) in 51 years of supporting the Toffees. It has just taken some 35 minutes to read the last 10 or so posts in this thread, due to crying with laughter!

Congrats and welcome to the funhouse!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on February 19, 2017, 08:00:21 PM
This is my first post (I think)

Third. :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 19, 2017, 09:00:56 PM
Most harbours are only around 60feet deep so doubt a dock would be any deeper. Doesn't really matter though as building a plinth over it should be what we do anyway and use the water underneath as a way for mosh to sneak in on his yacht
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on February 19, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
Most harbours are only around 60feet deep so doubt a dock would be any deeper. Doesn't really matter though as building a plinth over it should be what we do anyway and use the water underneath as a way for mosh to sneak in on his yacht

James-Bond-baddie-style!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on February 19, 2017, 09:49:17 PM
This is my first post (I think) in 51 years of supporting the Toffees. It has just taken some 35 minutes to read the last 10 or so posts in this thread, due to crying with laughter!
Enough tears to fill a dock. Which dock depends on depth.
Full circle - anyone know the depth of B M Dock and it's tear capacity?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on February 20, 2017, 05:40:12 AM
Without wishing to cause an argument , 100 ft to 1500 ft refers to the scale of the plan ,it doesn't say that's the depth .
From what I can discover Huskisson dock has a depth of 27 ft of water and Sandon has 25 ft. I guess BM has a similar figure . The depth could be increased by drawing water from the river and I assume this was one of the uses of the hydraulic tower. These depths only refer to the water and there might be 10 to 15 ft above the water to get the total depth of a dock.
Not sure why we're having this conversation but it is interesting ( to me at least )
My bad misread it
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on February 21, 2017, 09:14:01 PM
My bad misread it

Quote from Roseanne "That's why men are better at reading maps Jackie, it takes a man to understand how an inch can equal one mile!"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bingham Boy on February 22, 2017, 05:53:33 PM
Still heard nothing over expansion plans

60,000 to start with expansion to 80,000

Eg,
Stage 1 66000 Side Stand increased (incl half a corner)

Stage 2 72000 Other Side increased  "   "

Stage 3 76000 End Stand                  "   "

Stage 4 80000 Other End Stand         "    "


Don't be fixated on that final figure of 80,000, as above is around 30 rows on a stand, not too big, not too small. Plus you have choice where you expand, and how many stands you end up increasing.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on February 22, 2017, 09:07:14 PM
there seems to be an awful lot of wood being stored on the site at the moment

Woodison.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on February 27, 2017, 04:10:19 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-investor-farhad-moshiri-wants-12660463
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on February 27, 2017, 04:39:36 AM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-investor-farhad-moshiri-wants-12660463

pretty much what Moshiri said himself at the AGM to be honest
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on February 27, 2017, 03:55:13 PM
Roma's new stadium finally given the go ahead
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on February 27, 2017, 04:32:49 PM
how many kopites would it take to fill it?  :whistle: :evil:


 lolol lolol

It is not how many but how can we fly them in !
The transport cost is the real problem
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on February 27, 2017, 04:38:04 PM
I wouldn't like to be on here if the "stadium announcement "says we are of to Croxteth .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on February 27, 2017, 04:39:44 PM
I wouldn't like to be on here if the "stadium announcement "says we are of to Croxteth .

It's clear that it's not going to be Crocky, so you can relax.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluesthedaddy on February 28, 2017, 08:50:18 PM
Come to think of it, if it's about 30 feet, why fill it? Put in a cantilever and use the space for thing like exec parking and maintenance facilities.

I agree, but would explore the possibility of putting a boxing ring in the middle with the stands continuing down creating a unique boxing/UFC/wwe atmosphere. I know this would need the pitch to be retractable (which has been talked about before) and the cost would be astronomical, but I think these organisations would be knocking on the door constantly wanting our venue.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on February 28, 2017, 11:10:43 PM
................Does this help ?
BREAKING: Liverpool put forward as replacement Commonwealth Games 2022 host
http://bbc.in/2m3DQj4  via @BBCNews
4:30 PM - 28 Feb 2017
The possible withdrawal of Durban has sparked interest in the British city of Liverpool.

A spokesperson for the city council said: "Liverpool is interested in hosting the games in 2022. We had heard rumours that Durban might be unable to deliver the Commonwealth Games in 2022 and have already indicated to the government that we are very willing to host them instead

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MexicanToffee on March 01, 2017, 03:55:09 AM
Could we be on the verge of a free stadium a la Man City?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2017, 03:59:09 AM
Nah, cos we'll have to have a running track and all that shite. Let's swerve the Commonwealth games stuff and build something for the next 100 years for Everton.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on March 01, 2017, 04:02:35 AM
Could we be on the verge of a free stadium a la Man City?



Means the club would have much less say on what was being put up there. I hope not. :-\
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MexicanToffee on March 01, 2017, 05:32:19 AM


Means the club would have much less say on what was being put up there. I hope not. :-\
Yes you're right of course, but the upside is obviously we would not be burdened with debt, or at least much less if we had to modify the stadium to remove any running track and make it ours. Not sure which way I would swing, but it is only wild speculation right now anyway.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 01, 2017, 05:49:11 AM
Joe Anderson said we would be well playing in our new stadium by 2022. So i assume it wouldn't be built for that purpose!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 01, 2017, 05:50:49 AM
Could have a positive effect even without directly being to do with our stadium.
Big building in the area, big investment - they would definitely work alongside what Everton are hoping to do.

Would be chuffed if we didn't get a free stadium that needed adaptations, but benefited from all the access and logistics side of things and ended up near a sports arena complex but with our own, clearly defined site. Would be the hub of sport in the city. And the future.

The future is Blue.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 01, 2017, 07:40:08 PM
Joe Anderson said we would be well playing in our new stadium by 2022. So i assume it wouldn't be built for that purpose!
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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 02, 2017, 12:07:01 AM
Here's one;
I was talking to a mate and asked this: what would people's stance be on Kenwright? After the ill fated moves to the Kings Dock and the debacle of Kirkby, if the stadium is delivered and it's a true world class stadium, will all be forgiven for him on that front? I think that yes he's made mistakes but he basically saved us right at day one when he prised the club from Johnson.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 02, 2017, 12:21:26 AM
Here's one;
I was talking to a mate and asked this: what would people's stance be on Kenwright? After the ill fated moves to the Kings Dock and the debacle of Kirkby, if the stadium is delivered and it's a true world class stadium, will all be forgiven for him on that front? I think that yes he's made mistakes but he basically saved us right at day one when he prised the club from Johnson.

Kenwright is around but a new stadium and where we are now is all about Moshiri.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 02, 2017, 12:24:48 AM
Here's one;
I was talking to a mate and asked this: what would people's stance be on Kenwright? After the ill fated moves to the Kings Dock and the debacle of Kirkby, if the stadium is delivered and it's a true world class stadium, will all be forgiven for him on that front? I think that yes he's made mistakes but he basically saved us right at day one when he prised the club from Johnson.

Yes he did well taking us over in a very caring caretaker role, I wish him nothing but the best.

He did take too long finding the mythical 'Buyer' - but for all intents and purposes, it looks, so far, like he's done it well.

We were frustrated for a long time but hopefully better days are on their way now.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on March 02, 2017, 07:46:28 PM
Yes you're right of course, but the upside is obviously we would not be burdened with debt, or at least much less if we had to modify the stadium to remove any running track and make it ours. Not sure which way I would swing, but it is only wild speculation right now anyway.

Absolutely no way we can get what we want if athletics is involved.

ie If you want a modern stadium that retains the best of the old - ie fairly steep stands that are close in to the pitch, then athletics is just a no go
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 02, 2017, 08:54:16 PM
Say it costs £300-400m, we could probably get naming rights for at least £100m, and then other commerical tie-ins along with that, you might be able to pay for half of it through that alone. Obviously I'm very far from being a financial expert, but I'd sooner the club have say £200m debt than compromise what we want for the stadium by sticking a running track in there.

£200m sounds like a lot of debt, but it's not really anymore. We're getting in excess of £100m a season in broadcasting rights alone, not including foreign broadcasting rights, and both are projected to increase further. We've got a player worth possibly £70m alone, and squad players like McCarthy and Deulofeu are possibly worth around £20m each. 

In a new stadium we would have a lot more executive boxes, and much greater matchday revenues generally. Let's build what we want for Everton and swerve things like Commonwealth games tie-ins, which are very short termist.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on March 02, 2017, 08:58:18 PM
Absolutely no way we can get what we want if athletics is involved.

ie If you want a modern stadium that retains the best of the old - ie fairly steep stands that are close in to the pitch, then athletics is just a no go


Moshiri himself has said that he wants the fans as close to the pitch as possible, I am sure of it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 02, 2017, 09:32:36 PM
As others may have said ,there are plenty of other sports in the CG ,like rugby 7's and hockey ,it's not just athletics. IF we get the stadium and IF the games come to Merseyside it would be spread around venues. If we had a nice new stadium we could host the opening ceremony though !
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MexicanToffee on March 03, 2017, 05:18:39 AM
Absolutely no way we can get what we want if athletics is involved.

ie If you want a modern stadium that retains the best of the old - ie fairly steep stands that are close in to the pitch, then athletics is just a no go


Yes, you are probably right. Steep stands that hug the pitch is pretty much everyones ideal design I think.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 03, 2017, 05:52:00 AM
Keep athletics away at all costs, that would destroy everything we want to achieve, but by all means play the rugby and have the opening ceremony which won't harm the venue and show off our new digs to the whole world.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluebridge on March 03, 2017, 06:14:51 AM
Keep athletics away at all costs, that would destroy everything we want to achieve, but by all means play the rugby and have the opening ceremony which won't harm the venue and show off our new digs to the whole world.
More likely be Analfield if they're doing an opening ceremony from a football stadium, from a worldwide spectacle point of view, Liverpool have a more known name :(
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 03, 2017, 06:42:52 AM
More likely be Analfield if they're doing an opening ceremony from a football stadium, from a worldwide spectacle point of view, Liverpool have a more known name :(

The new stadium will be in Liverpool so shouldn't be a problem at all
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 03, 2017, 06:49:56 AM
More likely be Analfield if they're doing an opening ceremony from a football stadium, from a worldwide spectacle point of view, Liverpool have a more known name :(

Fuck that. The Games are ours.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bingham Boy on March 03, 2017, 02:57:09 PM
Yes, you are probably right. Steep stands that hug the pitch is pretty much everyones ideal design I think.

Steep stands? Or stands with seating tight to the pitch?

Shallow stands mean fans stand more which is what you need to create an atmosphere. Steep stands just leads to everyone sitting down and being quiet.

Also no corporate boxes behind the goal for me.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 03, 2017, 03:19:22 PM
I can see it now. The games will be the best thing since sliced bread for the kopites as they assume they'll get the opening ceremony gig because ya know '5 times' and all that. After all why would they bestow the honour on a 'small club' like Everton.

And then it will suddenly become shite, a liability and the RS will claim they didn't want it anyway when it's given to us on the basis of our shiny new waterfront behemoth being better in every aspect.

It's how they roll.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 03, 2017, 11:05:33 PM
I can see it now. The games will be the best thing since sliced bread for the kopites as they assume they'll get the opening ceremony gig because ya know '5 times' and all that. After all why would they bestow the honour on a 'small club' like Everton.

And then it will suddenly become shite, a liability and the RS will claim they didn't want it anyway when it's given to us on the basis of our shiny new waterfront behemoth being better in every aspect.

It's how they roll.

Then each time the Commonwealth Games start to come around again they'll be saying "This is our year!"

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on March 05, 2017, 05:54:48 PM
Joe Anderson:

"Everton’s new stadium has arguably greater potential in its impact to regenerate what is a key part of North Liverpool.

"As a council we’ve already begun investing in the surrounding area – with millions in improving the road infrastructure and a masterplan for the north docks running up to the city centre to create a new creative district."

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-new-stadium-not-sole-12693233

No way this stadium is going to be anywhere but Bramley Moore Docks \o/
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 05:55:33 PM
Just wish they would announce it now.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 08, 2017, 01:28:07 AM
Henry Winter says he's seen proposals

Meaning he's seen the Echo website and their mock-up where they take a generic stadium, stick an Everton badge on it, and photoshop it next to the Mersey
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 08, 2017, 01:56:30 AM
Henry Winter says he's seen proposals

Meaning he's seen the Echo website and their mock-up where they take a generic stadium, stick an Everton badge on it, and photoshop it next to the Mersey
..................exactly what I thought.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 08, 2017, 02:05:21 AM
Henry Winter is a pillock.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 08, 2017, 03:16:42 AM
Henry Winter is a pillock.

Correct
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on March 08, 2017, 03:43:22 AM
I can see it now. The games will be the best thing since sliced bread for the kopites as they assume they'll get the opening ceremony gig because ya know '5 times' and all that. After all why would they bestow the honour on a 'small club' like Everton.

And then it will suddenly become shite, a liability and the RS will claim they didn't want it anyway when it's given to us on the basis of our shiny new waterfront behemoth being better in every aspect.

It's how they roll.

lol - I don't know what's worse, living here in Vancouver with all the Liverpool "Fans" still thinking Gerrard is playing for them, or living there and having to deal with that.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 08, 2017, 03:45:23 AM
lol - I don't know what's worse, living here in Vancouver with all the Liverpool "Fans" still thinking Gerrard is playing for them, or living there and having to deal with that.
Reinforcements on the way. Our eldest lad moving there soon so there will be 2 of you!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on March 08, 2017, 10:08:46 PM
Henry Winter is a pillock.

I was told that "Pillock " is the modern "pilgarlic" but now I have looked it up -alas another ***herring
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 09, 2017, 12:08:27 AM
I was told that "Pillock " is the modern "pilgarlic" but now I have looked it up -alas another ***herring

Origin
Mid 16th century: variant of archaic pillicock ‘penis’, the early sense of pillock in northern English.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 09, 2017, 01:19:57 AM
Joe has spoken.............
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-stadium-bramley-moore-news-12713651
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 09, 2017, 01:37:55 AM
Dunno who is worst
Joe Anderson or Jim White
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 09, 2017, 03:27:47 AM
Joe has spoken.............
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-stadium-bramley-moore-news-12713651
He's annoying me a bit now.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 09, 2017, 04:06:49 AM
An improvement on Kenwright at least
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 09, 2017, 04:13:16 AM
He's annoying me a bit now.
...............not half as much as he's annoying the kopites !
There may be something behind all his statements . You would think the club would shut him up if it's all bollocks ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on March 09, 2017, 05:23:19 PM
Not a chance the stadium will be built within 2 years.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 09, 2017, 05:49:34 PM
Not a chance the stadium will be built within 2 years.

Where are you getting that time scale from?

The stadium WILL take 2 years to build though. But that's 2 years after the first spade goes into the ground - and we're a long way off that.
21/22 ir 22/23 season is best case scenario i'd say.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 09, 2017, 05:58:27 PM
A bit more speculation without foundation. ( no pun intended )

https://twitter.com/Hanstours?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on March 09, 2017, 06:45:42 PM
Where are you getting that time scale from?

The stadium WILL take 2 years to build though. But that's 2 years after the first spade goes into the ground - and we're a long way off that.
21/22 ir 22/23 season is best case scenario i'd say.

Anderson yesterday. He said he expects the ground to be built within 2 years.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 09, 2017, 06:50:28 PM
Anderson yesterday. He said he expects the ground to be built within 2 years.

ah, yes, ok then. I didn't see that quote.

The tweet that @Alanvideo (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=466) just linked suggest bidders have been given the goahead to put their proposals in. This, combined with Andersons comments about work done behind the scenes and "lessons being learned" from past attempts make it feel like a lot of the initial planning has already been done.

(If people are putting bids together now, that means the architects have already designed the stadium and the engineers have given/are giving the nod)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on March 09, 2017, 06:53:53 PM
ah, yes, ok then. I didn't see that quote.

The tweet that @Alanvideo (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=466) just linked suggest bidders have been given the goahead to put their proposals in. This, combined with Andersons comments about work done behind the scenes and "lessons being learned" from past attempts make it feel like a lot of the initial planning has already been done.

(If people are putting bids together now, that means the architects have already designed the stadium and the engineers have given/are giving the nod)

I cannot wait for the announcement!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 09, 2017, 06:58:50 PM
Just announce the fucking thing Everton you massive cock tease
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on March 09, 2017, 07:01:18 PM
Just announce the fucking thing Everton you massive cock tease

*dock tease...

(Not mine, shamelessly stolen from Twitter...)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 09, 2017, 08:18:48 PM
I cannot wait for the announcement!
Apparently the CIA know all about it and the dates are in the latest wiki-leaks revelations. Not sure which of the 8000 documents but you can check those yourselves.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 09, 2017, 08:32:52 PM
from The Echo..........this may or may not be Everton-related ..........

'Incredible Peel announcement coming soon'

Interesting. Very interesting..

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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 09, 2017, 09:06:21 PM
from The Echo..........this may or may not be Everton-related ..........

'Incredible Peel announcement coming soon'

Interesting. Very interesting..

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Clickbait
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 09, 2017, 09:26:32 PM
*dock tease...

(Not mine, shamelessly stolen from Twitter...)

Gutted I didn't think of that
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 09, 2017, 10:14:04 PM
I am just eager for them to announce it purely so I can have a massive wank over the artists impressions.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 09, 2017, 10:26:49 PM
I am just eager for them to announce it purely so I can have a massive wank over the artists impressions.

Architect porn eh, you fucking sicko!!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 09, 2017, 11:23:04 PM
Architect porn eh, you fucking sicko!!

Yup, my penis isn't the only thing that gets "Erected" when I watch it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on March 10, 2017, 12:29:57 AM
Not a chance the stadium will be built within 2 years.

Agreed.

Both Ashburton and City of Manchester new builds took 2 1/2 years each or there abouts and they weren't dealing with anything like the challenges BM would offer.

I'd imagine you could be looking at the best part of 9 months draining, waterproofing and back filling the dock alone before you begin to see anything of note at ground level.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 10, 2017, 01:28:41 AM
Agreed.

Both Ashburton and City of Manchester new builds took 2 1/2 years each or there abouts and they weren't dealing with anything like the challenges BM would offer.

I'd imagine you could be looking at the best part of 9 months draining, waterproofing and back filling the dock alone before you begin to see anything of note at ground level.

The cladding will surely take 2 years alone.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: benny on March 10, 2017, 04:12:38 AM
Yup, my penis isn't the only thing that gets "Erected" when I watch it.

                     :o
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: irishtoffee on March 10, 2017, 04:32:53 AM
*dock tease...

(Not mine, shamelessly stolen from Twitter...)
Just don't look up images of docking
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on March 10, 2017, 05:05:21 AM
If the spades go in the ground this year we could be playing there by 20/21, with 21/22 being more realistic.

Time enough to win the title whilst still at Goodison, giving the Old Lady a proper send off.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 10, 2017, 05:14:18 AM
If the spades go in the ground this year we could be playing there by 20/21, with 21/22 being more realistic.

Time enough to win the title whilst still at Goodison, giving the Old Lady a proper send off.
Pass the pipe this way jamo, I need a hit
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 10, 2017, 05:18:36 AM
Anderson yesterday. He said he expects the ground to be built within 2 years.
.............. This is what he said on Radio City .The build will take two years once it's given the go ahead.

<< We want a stadium in north Liverpool. I got criticised for making an announcement that we’d have a new ground within three years. It’s near enough the anniversary of me making those comments and once we’ve crossed the t’s and dotted the i’s, it will take two years to build a stadium and I think we are still on track. >>

 ...............
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on March 10, 2017, 05:33:52 AM
Pass the pipe this way jamo, I need a hit

It's Friday over here mate, I'm in a great mood!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on March 15, 2017, 07:04:18 AM
Has the mayor been on the bevvy tonight or has he decided to take on the world on Twitter? Who decided Twitter and politicians were a good mix?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 15, 2017, 03:40:12 PM
Has the mayor been on the bevvy tonight or has he decided to take on the world on Twitter? Who decided Twitter and politicians were a good mix?
Joe had full on scouse mode turned up hahaha
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 15, 2017, 03:48:16 PM
Comments from Peel............
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everton-fc-waterfront-stadium-deal-12743567
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 15, 2017, 07:35:45 PM
Comments from Peel............
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everton-fc-waterfront-stadium-deal-12743567

Copy and paste please anyone? F**kin Echo and all it's f**kin pop-up ads!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 15, 2017, 07:50:38 PM
Copy and paste please anyone? F**kin Echo and all it's f**kin pop-up ads!

Nothing dramatic

 
Quote
Developer Peel says a deal with Everton over a new waterfront stadium is close - and says a "state-of-the art" ground there would make the Liverpool waterfront a “visual spectacle”.

The club is in advanced talks with Peel, which owns Liverpool's northern docklands and is developing it under the £5.5bn Liverpool Waters scheme.
Just last night on Twitter Mayor Joe Anderson suggested a deal was close for the Bramley-Moore docks site.

And today, speaking at the Mipim property festival in Cannes, Lindsey Ashworth, development director at Liverpool Waters for Peel, said: “We're optimistic we will agree heads of terms to allow a state-of-the-art football stadium at the northern end of the Liverpool Waters. Maybe even Commonwealth Games.

“I cannot say how excited we all are.”

Mr Ashworth told the ECHO: “We're in quite healthy talks with Everton at the moment, so it's not finalised yet. But as Peel and as myself I would love to see a stadium on the waterfront.

“To have this as the anchor at one end of the waterfront, and then you go all the way down towards the ECHO arena... the waterfront would be a visual spectacle.

“So we're pushing forward with it, the council are helping, and I think we'll get to a conclusion. A good one. Hopefully in the near future.”

Heads of terms is an initial agreement ahead of signing a full contract.

Peel's other plans for the northern docks, including floating buildings, will be changed if the stadium happens.

He said: “At the northern docks, Bramley-Moore Dock and Nelson Dock, we have two options.
“One is to develop it out with several developers for residential and put floating buildings in the docks themselves. And the floating buildings would be doctors' surgeries, workshops, bars, restaurants.

“And obviously Everton stadium is another.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 15, 2017, 07:52:27 PM
Heads of terms = a set of agreed principles that preceed a written contract.

So we're close to agreeing a deal to talk about writing a contract about being exclusive bidders to think about one day maybe having a meeting about building a stadium
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 15, 2017, 07:53:32 PM
Copy and paste please anyone? F**kin Echo and all it's f**kin pop-up ads!

Quote
Developer Peel says a deal with Everton over a new waterfront stadium is close - and says a "state-of-the art" ground there would make the Liverpool waterfront a “visual spectacle”.

The club is in advanced talks with Peel, which owns Liverpool's northern docklands and is developing it under the £5.5bn Liverpool Waters scheme.


Just last night on Twitter Mayor Joe Anderson suggested a deal was close for the Bramley-Moore docks site.

Mayor Joe Anderson appears to confirm new EFC stadium in Twitter reply
And today, speaking at the Mipim property festival in Cannes, Lindsey Ashworth, development director at Liverpool Waters for Peel, said: “We're optimistic we will agree heads of terms to allow a state-of-the-art football stadium at the northern end of the Liverpool Waters. Maybe even Commonwealth Games.

“I cannot say how excited we all are.”

Mr Ashworth told the ECHO: “We're in quite healthy talks with Everton at the moment, so it's not finalised yet. But as Peel and as myself I would love to see a stadium on the waterfront.

“To have this as the anchor at one end of the waterfront, and then you go all the way down towards the ECHO arena... the waterfront would be a visual spectacle.

Liverpool Waters projects to begin "by the end of the year"
“So we're pushing forward with it, the council are helping, and I think we'll get to a conclusion. A good one. Hopefully in the near future.”

Heads of terms is an initial agreement ahead of signing a full contract.

Peel's other plans for the northern docks, including floating buildings, will be changed if the stadium happens.

He said: “At the northern docks, Bramley-Moore Dock and Nelson Dock, we have two options.

“One is to develop it out with several developers for residential and put floating buildings in the docks themselves. And the floating buildings would be doctors' surgeries, workshops, bars, restaurants.

“And obviously Everton stadium is another. "
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Post by: TheRam on March 15, 2017, 07:54:01 PM
Floating buildings?

I'm all for a floating ground tbh
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: van der Meyde on March 15, 2017, 08:13:25 PM
A dullard asks:

Could 'head of terms' be interpreted as, say, an agreement in principle to sell the land (for a specified price) but be subject to planning permission before the full contract is signed?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 15, 2017, 08:15:30 PM
Floating buildings?

I'm all for a floating ground tbh

I actually like the thought of a partially buried stadium in the dock, really intimidating and really industrial looking!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 15, 2017, 08:36:10 PM
Looks like it's 99.9% done.

Nothing to worry about then :) ...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 15, 2017, 08:55:36 PM
A dullard asks:

Could 'head of terms' be interpreted as, say, an agreement in principle to sell the land (for a specified price) but be subject to planning permission before the full contract is signed?

It means nothing to be honest.
It is just a way of saying " we all agree what the contract we are about to sign will have in it"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 15, 2017, 10:17:08 PM

So we're close to agreeing a deal to talk about writing a contract about being exclusive bidders to think about one day maybe having a meeting about building a stadium

That's most certainly a possibility.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Big Nev on March 15, 2017, 11:00:01 PM
Looks like it's 99.9% done.

Nothing to worry about then :) ...

Just like Rom's new contract...... ::)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 15, 2017, 11:55:12 PM
It means nothing to be honest.
It is just a way of saying " we all agree what the contract we are about to sign will have in it"
...............Heads of terms are not binding on either party ,it's like agreeing to buy a house without putting down a deposit.
It's quite encouraging though and it's significant that the comments have come from an employee of Peel Holdings rather than Joe Andersen or Jim White.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 16, 2017, 12:43:58 AM
Bored of this shit too. I suppose everybody is damned if they say anything and damned if they don't though
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 16, 2017, 12:47:13 AM
Bored of this shit too. I suppose everybody is damned if they say anything and damned if they don't though

Nah, this is well exciting. Wait til we get specs and designs to pour over.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 16, 2017, 12:58:39 AM
Nah, this is well exciting. Wait til we get specs and designs to pour over.

Yes news is exciting but this is 'pre-news' - the news seems now to be that something should or might happen in the future.  Which isn't really news. Then there's 'post-news'. Like increasing national insurance contributions one week, then changing your mind the next. I suppose they are both news but that's cheating- two new stories which come to nothing wasting everyone's time. Like the 'Lukaku deal almost done' news. I think I'm better off sticking my head in the sand and coming up for air every now and then.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 16, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
I'm sure though, that if they are going to the trouble of actually reporting stuff or issuing statements - despite how little info is in them - they still feel that sufficient progress is being made and they are trying to keep us up to date.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 16, 2017, 02:56:25 AM
Yes news is exciting but this is 'pre-news' - the news seems now to be that something should or might happen in the future.  Which isn't really news. Then there's 'post-news'. Like increasing national insurance contributions one week, then changing your mind the next. I suppose they are both news but that's cheating- two new stories which come to nothing wasting everyone's time. Like the 'Lukaku deal almost done' news. I think I'm better off sticking my head in the sand and coming up for air every now and then.

it's the world we live in

everyone wants an update on every single little thing so they feel like they're involved somehow

it's like the papers printing league tables after one match
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on March 19, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
Cancel any plans for Thursday lads - Joe has...

https://twitter.com/mayor_anderson/status/843426055427936256
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on March 19, 2017, 05:51:41 PM
https://twitter.com/mayor_anderson/status/843429439732158464
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 19, 2017, 05:55:01 PM
Strange bloke
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on March 19, 2017, 05:55:27 PM
Do you think he uses the same flannel on his head that he does on his arse?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2017, 05:57:07 PM
Does Joe realise he's still the mayor? He uses twitter like some Z-list ex-Hollyoaks waitress.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on March 19, 2017, 06:04:18 PM
Does Joe realise he's still the major? He uses twitter like some Z-list ex-Hollyoaks waitress.



I didn't realise he was in the Army. ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 19, 2017, 06:06:47 PM


I didn't realise he was in the Army. ;)

Nice work stitching me up with a quick quote ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 19, 2017, 06:07:41 PM
That's the mayor of Liverpool there.

Hard to believe really.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 19, 2017, 06:16:44 PM
He's seen how popular Trump is on Twitter and thought - "I'll have piece of that!"
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Post by: blue1948 on March 19, 2017, 06:55:36 PM
Do you think he uses the same flannel on his head that he does on his arse?

Do you still use a flannel ? Just interested from a historical point of view and no offence if you do
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 19, 2017, 06:58:09 PM
Cancel any plans for Thursday lads - Joe has...

https://twitter.com/mayor_anderson/status/843426055427936256
..............hairdressers appointment ? French polishing more like.  :blush:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 19, 2017, 06:59:47 PM
Nice work stitching me up with a quick quote ;)
.............yes you dropped a Clanger there mate  :snigger:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on March 19, 2017, 07:01:50 PM
Nice work stitching me up with a quick quote ;)



You should put that on the things you hate thread. @blargins (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=54) is an absolute ace at it. He gets me everytime  :snigger:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 19, 2017, 07:21:46 PM
Fuck off Joe
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 19, 2017, 07:30:07 PM
Always slightly bemused by the notion that those in the public eye aren't (or, aren't allowed to be) actual real human people.

The fella is excited about something he can't yet talk about. But because he is a mayor of a relatively insgnificant northern city in England he needs to treat it like it's access codes to a nuclear arsenal and not have a bit of fun?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bogie on March 19, 2017, 07:30:32 PM
That's the mayor of Liverpool there.

Hard to believe really.

yeah lol good to see but

I would have a pint with him any day of the week
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 19, 2017, 07:35:35 PM
Not like Hoe ever goes to the hairdresser or gym so but of a nothing thing anyway
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on March 19, 2017, 07:38:01 PM
Not like Hoe ever goes to the hairdresser or gym so but of a nothing thing anyway

I thought you said you don't drink?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 19, 2017, 07:55:28 PM
I thought you said you don't drink?


That's what happens when you reply to something first thing after 3 hrs sleep.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on March 19, 2017, 07:56:16 PM
Hmm. Interesting.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rumours that as well as #BramleyMoore (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BramleyMoore?src=hash) we have also concluded a deal for #NelsonDock (https://twitter.com/hashtag/NelsonDock?src=hash)#EFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/EFC?src=hash) pic.twitter.com/UkIAJMtZ8E (https://t.co/UkIAJMtZ8E)</p>&mdash; Brother Smith (@brothersmith76) March 19, 2017 (https://twitter.com/brothersmith76/status/843405680413491200)
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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 19, 2017, 08:03:34 PM
Spoke about Nelson quite a bit earlier in the thread peej.

There simply isn't enough access routes in Bramley Moore and we wont be able to make wholesale changes to any part of that wall.
Nelson adds a couple more entrances, has initial plans for lots of leisure development and has parts of the wall that are in various states of repair that could be "opened" as part of a "restoration"
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Post by: Goaljira on March 19, 2017, 08:04:28 PM
Nelson as well would be great, as a stadium sideways to the Mersey would be a lot easier to plan logistically rather than one penned into the single site.
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Post by: Simon Paul on March 19, 2017, 08:09:54 PM
Nelson Dock would also solve any potential access issues
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 19, 2017, 08:10:41 PM
Nelson as well would be great, as a stadium sideways to the Mersey would be a lot easier to plan logistically rather than one penned into the single site.

You know what, that had never once crossed my mind.

Not entirely convinced about the logistics being easier - but it would definitely look a lot better.

Nelson Dock would also solve any potential access issues

I've just bloody said that
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 19, 2017, 08:11:51 PM
Not like Hoe ever goes to the hairdresser or gym so but of a nothing thing anyway

Predictive text?

Who you been calling a hoe, bro? 🤔

Take care

sam of the hugespunkingcocks
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 19, 2017, 08:16:23 PM
Hmm. Interesting.


That could possibly be the answer to the access, transport and logistics problems that people are so concerned about.

Also, if true, that's one hell of a footprint to work with!   :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on March 19, 2017, 08:24:16 PM
Nelson dock is nearer to town as well.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 19, 2017, 08:28:15 PM
Quick look on Google Earth  ,it seems to give us 3 more entrances if Nelson Dock is included. Plus a little doorway by the bascule bridge for exclusive use of NSNO 'ers.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 19, 2017, 08:33:42 PM
If the nelson dock rumour is true then one thing is for sure: unlike Kirkby, this isn't getting done "on the cheap"
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Post by: Toddacelli on March 19, 2017, 08:43:42 PM
If the nelson dock rumour is true then one thing is for sure: unlike Kirkby, this isn't getting done "on the cheap"

As if we would make the USM Mersey Metal Arena on the cheap!

EDIT: Ooh! Ooh! - The USM Blue Steel Arena!     nod
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Post by: phillyt on March 19, 2017, 08:54:58 PM
 
If the nelson dock rumour is true then one thing is for sure: unlike Kirkby, this isn't getting done "on the cheap"

I don't think Everton will be doing anything "on the cheap" for the foreseeable future. Although if moshiris/usmanovs company(ies) are providing materials I think the phrase "mates rates" will be synonymous with the build costs.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 19, 2017, 10:02:49 PM
Oooh how exciting
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ari on March 20, 2017, 03:25:39 AM
Will there be an official announcement on next Thursday, 23rd of marz?  Regarding Bramley Moore Dock?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2017, 03:31:21 AM
Will there be an official announcement on next Thursday, 23rd of marz?  Regarding Bramley Moore Dock?

that's what people are saying

obviously the club aren't commenting on the stories though
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Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2017, 05:41:23 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/EvertonEFC1878/status/843505162232717312/video/1
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Post by: Confucius on March 20, 2017, 07:24:08 AM
Looks like our Ross does that
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2017, 04:30:20 PM
This is actually happening isn't it? Between Anderson and Dan Meiss's twitter, it's quite obvious that it's definitely happening. We're a few days away from the most momentous announcement in the club's recent history. Can't wait to see the designs.
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Post by: American Evertonian on March 20, 2017, 04:32:02 PM
This is actually happening isn't it? Between Anderson and Dan Meiss's twitter, it's quite obvious that it's definitely happening. We're a few days away from the most momentous announcement in the club's recent history. Can't wait to see the designs.

Almost makes all the pain and suffering of the last couple decades all fade away......almost
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 20, 2017, 04:41:35 PM
This is actually happening isn't it? Between Anderson and Dan Meiss's twitter, it's quite obvious that it's definitely happening. We're a few days away from the most momentous announcement in the club's recent history. Can't wait to see the designs.
I hope so mate. So many false dawns though that I'm not getting giddy just yet. Once things start being official and we actually see some kind of build then I'll believe that this is actually happening. Pessimistic I know but we've been here too many times. Even the shite had a spade in the ground didn't they and that didn't happen iiirc.
So I'm holding back for now, but when it does oh mate I can't wait to see what we're gonna do from then. A very decent squad, tick. A decent solid manager, tick.
 A wealthy owner who wants to spend money, tick. New stadium? Well hopefully that box will be ticked in the next few days,weeks, months!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2017, 04:42:16 PM
This is actually happening isn't it? Between Anderson and Dan Meiss's twitter, it's quite obvious that it's definitely happening. We're a few days away from the most momentous announcement in the club's recent history. Can't wait to see the designs.

I'm like a kid at Christmas
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 20, 2017, 04:43:21 PM
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 20, 2017, 04:51:10 PM
I hope so mate. So many false dawns though that I'm not getting giddy just yet. Once things start being official and we actually see some kind of build then I'll believe that this is actually happening. Pessimistic I know but we've been here too many times. Even the shite had a spade in the ground didn't they and that didn't happen iiirc.
So I'm holding back for now, but when it does oh mate I can't wait to see what we're gonna do from then. A very decent squad, tick. A decent solid manager, tick.
 A wealthy owner who wants to spend money, tick. New stadium? Well hopefully that box will be ticked in the next few days,weeks, months!

Course mate. We're bound to be naturally skeptical given the letdowns we've all had. I do think it's different this time though.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on March 20, 2017, 05:00:45 PM
I'm not one to give Liverpool supporters stick, but if this does come together, which I've never questioned or had any doubt it will. For my one and only  example. In Liverpool at Christmas, one of my elder sister's sons in law, a really dumb red. Proceeded to give me stick about the Derby result. All I said to him was. "Yeah, but I'm happy we're going in the right direction". "What do you reckon on the new Everton Waterfront stadium"? The unexpected pleasure I got as I watched him squirm and struggle to control his envy in front of 20 or 30 people was a beautiful sight. Believe me, you long suffering blues up there on Merseyside, Farhad Moshiri is handing you a huge WMD. Enjoy the carnage.;D
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2017, 05:08:03 PM
Beyond excited now.

We have all known it's been happening for a while now but like a few have mentioned the big thing for me is seeing the designs. The artists impressions. That's whats gonna get me.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2017, 05:18:19 PM
Is the date significant?

I thought I read sommet about it the other day but now I cant see it!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2017, 05:20:47 PM
I know its been 125 years since we moved into goodison.

Dunno whether the date has passed or is coming up.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2017, 05:29:34 PM
Can you imagine if they announce the deal with a picture of how the new ground will look, I'm hoping Dan Meis has been playing with his crayons
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2017, 05:46:04 PM
I know its been 125 years since we moved into goodison.

Dunno whether the date has passed or is coming up.
That sounds fmailiar to what I had read
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 20, 2017, 05:51:26 PM
That sounds fmailiar to what I had read
.............it's 125 years but the date of the first game was 2nd. September . Don't think March 23rd has any significance
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 20, 2017, 06:15:07 PM
Can you imagine if they announce the deal with a picture of how the new ground will look, I'm hoping Dan Meis has been playing with his crayons
Id love for it to be really far along and they announce loads of details about it! I dont think they will though!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 20, 2017, 06:26:08 PM
.............it's 125 years but the date of the first game was 2nd. September . Don't think March 23rd has any significance


March 22nd was when we agreed to buy Goodison apparently.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 20, 2017, 06:26:24 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/could-new-sergeant-pepper-rail-12765049

This would be cool.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2017, 06:40:44 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/could-new-sergeant-pepper-rail-12765049

This would be cool.
Shit's really happening isnt it
Its brilliant to see and read
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 20, 2017, 06:43:24 PM
March 22nd was when we agreed to buy Goodison apparently.
..............well spotted but then the year (1895) doesn't fit with the 125.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2017, 06:49:12 PM
..............well spotted but then the year (1895) doesn't fit with the 125.

It does if our new stadium is completed in 2020
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 20, 2017, 07:21:05 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/could-new-sergeant-pepper-rail-12765049

This would be cool.

Copy & paste please? Anyone?

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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 20, 2017, 07:25:15 PM
Could a new 'Sergeant Pepper' rail line serve thousands in north Liverpool?
The proposed new line would also link up with the Liverpool Waters development and a new Everton stadium

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A vision has been laid-out for a potential “Sergeant Pepper” rail line that could serve thousands of people in north Liverpool - as well as Everton’s new stadium.

Wirral-based Kayla Bibby , a technician for a structural engineering firm, has proposed the new line - which would include building 16 new stations and would serve the major new developments at Liverpool Waters and the proposed Knowledge Quarter.

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Her idea involves building 16 new stations, bringing disused tunnels back into use and recreating the former Liverpool Overhead Railway.

Kayla is behind the Liverpool Underground campaign and has previously shared her idea for a massively expanded Merseyrail system, similar to the London tube network.

While the overall vision is a very long-term idea, she believes work could begin on her vision for a 9.25 mile Sergeant Pepper line right away as 80% of the proposed line already exists.


Map of Liverpool City Region railways by Kayla Bibby. The map has taken her Three years to complete.
She said: “We propose to bring these lines back into passenger use and reconnect these densely populated districts to the city’s rail network.

“This is a very achievable nine mile circuit for inner north Liverpool, we envisage the Sergeant Pepper Line will be very busy, so we’ve proposed trains be made of up to eight-car services permanently with a frequency of every ten minutes off-peak and every five minutes for peak times and on Everton match days.”

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The map shows three different coloured sections, which Kayla proposes could be brought together to form the new circular line.

The yellow section is the existing Canada Dock freight line branch from Edge Hill to North Liverpool docks, which closed to passengers in 1948.

The stations on this stretch of line would be rebuilt to serve the thousands of people who live there.

The red lines are existing disused rail tunnels, the longest being the Waterloo tunnel, which stretches two miles under central Liverpool from Edge Hill to Great Howard Street.

The shorter tunnel runs from Atlantic Junction on the Canada Dock branch under Bank Hall Station and out towards the docks.

The blue line would be a 1.6 mile section of brand new overhead railway, recreating the Liverpool Overhead Railway - affectionately known as the Docker’s Umbrella - which was demolished in 1957.


The Canada Dock Tunnel would be brought back into use under the proposals
Kayla’s idea for an overhead railway would run past Everton’s proposed new waterfront stadium and through £5.5bn Liverpool Waters to create a full circle.

She added: “Liverpool as a city is growing, you only have to look around and see the tens of billions of pounds of investment being poured in to the huge new developments across the city. We believe the Sergeant Pepper is needed right now and should be top of Merseytravel’s agenda.

“It is vital that the Sergeant Pepper Line’s route is safeguarded and that Merseytravel works closely with Liverpool City Council, Peel Holdings and all other developers to make sure its proposed path and future stations are not compromised by their future developments.

“This needs to be made clear at the earliest opportunity so the proposed masterplans of Liverpool Waters and Paddington Village can be adjusted accordingly.

“This would add billions to the city’s economy, its passenger levels could rival the Wirral and Northern lines.

“Its only nine miles long, but would connect the city centre with so many homes and massive future developments and the recreated overhead railway, if done right, could prove to be a major tourist attraction.”

Kayla says she has sent her proposals to Merseytravel chiefs Frank Rodgers and Cllr Liam Robinson and has also passed them to Metro Mayor candidate Steve Rotheram, who she said was very impressed by them.


How the proposed Lime Street-Elizabeth station could look
THE PROPOSED SERGEANT PEPPER LINE - STATION BY STATION

Edge Hill - a new island platform on the north side of the existing station interchange, with existing City Line services.

Paddington - A new underground station is proposed within the Waterloo Tunnel in the heart of the new Knowledge Quarter - close to the Metropolitan Cathedral and new Royal Liverpool Hospital.

Lime Street-Elizabeth - Potentially named London Road, this new underground station would be based outside TJ Hughes.

Marybone - A new semi-underground station partially within the Byrom Street cutting, opposite JMU’s Byrom Street campus.

Kayla says this could has the potential to be a future interchange with the Wirral Line. An additional platform could be added to the Wirral loop line between Moorfields and Lime Street, with platforms connected by a 100 metre tunnel.

Pall Mall - A new underground station at the back of the community college, which could accelerate the regeneration of the area.

Trafalgar - A new elevated station on the re-created Liverpool Overhead Railway could be built on the site of the filled in Trafalgar Dock - in the heart of Liverpool Water’s planned Central Docks district.

Bramley Moore - With everything pointing to a new Everton stadium in this location, Kayla believes a new elavated station on the overhead railway could be built directly next to the planned waterfront arena.


How the Sergeant Pepper underground line could look
Huskisson Dock - Another new elavated station for the overhead railway is suggested here = serving the industrial dock areas.

Bank Hall - The plan would be to re-build the Bank Hall Station with new underground platforms in the existing tunnel benath the Northern Line to allow interchange between the Sergeant Pepper Line and the Southport Line. Part of the tunnel has been filled in but Ms Berry says the tunnel remains intact.

Kirkdale - Newly rebuilt Kirkdale station, with a new platform in a widened cutting beneath the existing Ormskirk and Krikby branches of the Northern Line.

County Road - A new station on the same site of the former Spellow station which closed in 1948.

Walton Lane - New station proposed on the site of the former Walton and Anfield Station, which also closed in 1948.

Cherry Lane - A new station serving the large housing estates in the area.


Clubmoor - New station on the site of the former Breck Road station, which closed with the others in 1948.

Tuebrook - The idea would be to re-build Tuebrook station on the same site where it was demolished nearly 70 years ago.

Edge Lane - Again this would be a station rebuilt on its former site.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on March 20, 2017, 07:31:20 PM
The only thing I'm gutted about is not taking the boy to Goodison.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 20, 2017, 07:32:19 PM
I'm not one to give Liverpool supporters stick, but if this does come together, which I've never questioned or had any doubt it will. For my one and only  example. In Liverpool at Christmas, one of my elder sister's sons in law, a really dumb red. Proceeded to give me stick about the Derby result. All I said to him was. "Yeah, but I'm happy we're going in the right direction". "What do you reckon on the new Everton Waterfront stadium"? The unexpected pleasure I got as I watched him squirm and struggle to control his envy in front of 20 or 30 people was a beautiful sight. Believe me, you long suffering blues up there on Merseyside, Farhad Moshiri is handing you a huge WMD. Enjoy the carnage.;D
WMD? Good god don't tell Blair or Bush that it'll be called in! 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2017, 07:40:10 PM
Now I'm not one to gloat, but when this is all announced It will be hard for me not to rub the reds noses in it, in fact I'll have a bloody good laugh while doing it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on March 20, 2017, 07:50:28 PM
Shouldn't the new railway line be called The Magical Mystery Tour?
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Post by: Toddacelli on March 20, 2017, 07:54:55 PM
Could a new 'Sergeant Pepper' rail line serve thousands in north Liverpool?
The proposed new line would also link up with the Liverpool Waters development and a new Everton stadium

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A vision has been laid-out for a potential “Sergeant Pepper” rail line that could serve thousands of people in north Liverpool - as well as Everton’s new stadium.

Wirral-based Kayla Bibby , a technician for a structural engineering firm, has proposed the new line - which would include building 16 new stations and would serve the major new developments at Liverpool Waters and the proposed Knowledge Quarter.

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Her idea involves building 16 new stations, bringing disused tunnels back into use and recreating the former Liverpool Overhead Railway.

Kayla is behind the Liverpool Underground campaign and has previously shared her idea for a massively expanded Merseyrail system, similar to the London tube network.

While the overall vision is a very long-term idea, she believes work could begin on her vision for a 9.25 mile Sergeant Pepper line right away as 80% of the proposed line already exists.


Map of Liverpool City Region railways by Kayla Bibby. The map has taken her Three years to complete.
She said: “We propose to bring these lines back into passenger use and reconnect these densely populated districts to the city’s rail network.

“This is a very achievable nine mile circuit for inner north Liverpool, we envisage the Sergeant Pepper Line will be very busy, so we’ve proposed trains be made of up to eight-car services permanently with a frequency of every ten minutes off-peak and every five minutes for peak times and on Everton match days.”

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The map shows three different coloured sections, which Kayla proposes could be brought together to form the new circular line.

The yellow section is the existing Canada Dock freight line branch from Edge Hill to North Liverpool docks, which closed to passengers in 1948.

The stations on this stretch of line would be rebuilt to serve the thousands of people who live there.

The red lines are existing disused rail tunnels, the longest being the Waterloo tunnel, which stretches two miles under central Liverpool from Edge Hill to Great Howard Street.

The shorter tunnel runs from Atlantic Junction on the Canada Dock branch under Bank Hall Station and out towards the docks.

The blue line would be a 1.6 mile section of brand new overhead railway, recreating the Liverpool Overhead Railway - affectionately known as the Docker’s Umbrella - which was demolished in 1957.


The Canada Dock Tunnel would be brought back into use under the proposals
Kayla’s idea for an overhead railway would run past Everton’s proposed new waterfront stadium and through £5.5bn Liverpool Waters to create a full circle.

She added: “Liverpool as a city is growing, you only have to look around and see the tens of billions of pounds of investment being poured in to the huge new developments across the city. We believe the Sergeant Pepper is needed right now and should be top of Merseytravel’s agenda.

“It is vital that the Sergeant Pepper Line’s route is safeguarded and that Merseytravel works closely with Liverpool City Council, Peel Holdings and all other developers to make sure its proposed path and future stations are not compromised by their future developments.

“This needs to be made clear at the earliest opportunity so the proposed masterplans of Liverpool Waters and Paddington Village can be adjusted accordingly.

“This would add billions to the city’s economy, its passenger levels could rival the Wirral and Northern lines.

“Its only nine miles long, but would connect the city centre with so many homes and massive future developments and the recreated overhead railway, if done right, could prove to be a major tourist attraction.”

Kayla says she has sent her proposals to Merseytravel chiefs Frank Rodgers and Cllr Liam Robinson and has also passed them to Metro Mayor candidate Steve Rotheram, who she said was very impressed by them.


How the proposed Lime Street-Elizabeth station could look
THE PROPOSED SERGEANT PEPPER LINE - STATION BY STATION

Edge Hill - a new island platform on the north side of the existing station interchange, with existing City Line services.

Paddington - A new underground station is proposed within the Waterloo Tunnel in the heart of the new Knowledge Quarter - close to the Metropolitan Cathedral and new Royal Liverpool Hospital.

Lime Street-Elizabeth - Potentially named London Road, this new underground station would be based outside TJ Hughes.

Marybone - A new semi-underground station partially within the Byrom Street cutting, opposite JMU’s Byrom Street campus.

Kayla says this could has the potential to be a future interchange with the Wirral Line. An additional platform could be added to the Wirral loop line between Moorfields and Lime Street, with platforms connected by a 100 metre tunnel.

Pall Mall - A new underground station at the back of the community college, which could accelerate the regeneration of the area.

Trafalgar - A new elevated station on the re-created Liverpool Overhead Railway could be built on the site of the filled in Trafalgar Dock - in the heart of Liverpool Water’s planned Central Docks district.

Bramley Moore - With everything pointing to a new Everton stadium in this location, Kayla believes a new elavated station on the overhead railway could be built directly next to the planned waterfront arena.


How the Sergeant Pepper underground line could look
Huskisson Dock - Another new elavated station for the overhead railway is suggested here = serving the industrial dock areas.

Bank Hall - The plan would be to re-build the Bank Hall Station with new underground platforms in the existing tunnel benath the Northern Line to allow interchange between the Sergeant Pepper Line and the Southport Line. Part of the tunnel has been filled in but Ms Berry says the tunnel remains intact.

Kirkdale - Newly rebuilt Kirkdale station, with a new platform in a widened cutting beneath the existing Ormskirk and Krikby branches of the Northern Line.

County Road - A new station on the same site of the former Spellow station which closed in 1948.

Walton Lane - New station proposed on the site of the former Walton and Anfield Station, which also closed in 1948.

Cherry Lane - A new station serving the large housing estates in the area.


Clubmoor - New station on the site of the former Breck Road station, which closed with the others in 1948.

Tuebrook - The idea would be to re-build Tuebrook station on the same site where it was demolished nearly 70 years ago.

Edge Lane - Again this would be a station rebuilt on its former site.

Bloody fucksticks!

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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 20, 2017, 07:57:28 PM
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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 20, 2017, 08:12:43 PM
That line isn't an actual plan - someone has just come up with it and emailed Merseytravel.

There is a likely station mentioned a few weeks ago opposite the Tobacco warehouse on the existing Northern Line.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 20, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
Nah, i love this kind of stuff even when it has nothing to do with Everton and follow it religiously.

The bird who did that may as well be showing off an A-level design project.

Every 2 or 3 years there is a little groundswell of support and some plans appear for expanding the network and nothing comes of it.
Due to the 10-streets project there will deffo be a new station between moorefields and sandhills, but don't expect any more than that.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: van der Meyde on March 20, 2017, 09:09:53 PM
Nah, i love this kind of stuff even when it has nothing to do with Everton and follow it religiously.
Same here.

I waste a day pretty much every month reading up about everything on that Skyscraper City forum.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2017, 09:25:55 PM
This is fucking boss.

Always said how cool it would be if we had a trainline going direct to the ground. And on the way in the walls would be decorated with great moments from our history on the way in.
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Post by: arteta4spain on March 20, 2017, 09:53:25 PM
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Wow Bob (Elstone) wow! 😂😂
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 20, 2017, 10:41:23 PM
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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 20, 2017, 11:24:35 PM
I know its been 125 years since we moved into goodison.

Dunno whether the date has passed or is coming up.
Tomorrow I think
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 20, 2017, 11:32:51 PM
That line isn't an actual plan - someone has just come up with it and emailed Merseytravel.

There is a likely station mentioned a few weeks ago opposite the Tobacco warehouse on the existing Northern Line.

Mersey travel have a plan of potential stations along potential lines. This is one of them.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: efcforlife on March 20, 2017, 11:48:53 PM


There is absolutely zero chance of that 16 station underground being built
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Post by: Confucius on March 21, 2017, 12:03:32 AM
yeah was wondering if Liverpool suddenly got a 10B pound infrastructure spending budget. 16 stations and new rail cars etc etc is quite the undertaking.
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Post by: Paddockoldie on March 21, 2017, 12:37:15 AM
This is fucking boss.

Always said how cool it would be if we had a trainline going direct to the ground. And on the way in the walls would be decorated with great moments from our history on the way in.
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Just get a better artist than the 'Big Nev' mural one.. you'd never hear the end of it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 21, 2017, 12:39:14 AM
yeah was wondering if Liverpool suddenly got a 10B pound infrastructure spending budget. 16 stations and new rail cars etc etc is quite the undertaking.

Need to sell alot more beak for that level of investment. Drenthe described skiing on it.. this would need an avalanche
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 21, 2017, 12:46:29 AM
No one said it was feasible, I just said it'd be cool!
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Post by: arteta4spain on March 21, 2017, 01:02:19 AM
Think we could deliver better than this? http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-launch-video-of-new-stadium-revealing-fresh-look-at-completed-venue-a3432261.html
I'm sorry it's spurs but they're the next one to move into a new stadium. We known Meis doesn't want to create a bowl but at least this gives us an idea of what we can achieve or surpass?
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Post by: Waltzer on March 21, 2017, 01:22:36 AM
Think we could deliver better than this? http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-launch-video-of-new-stadium-revealing-fresh-look-at-completed-venue-a3432261.html
I'm sorry it's spurs but they're the next one to move into a new stadium. We known Meis doesn't want to create a bowl but at least this gives us an idea of what we can achieve or surpass?
Hope so. It looks nice but isn't all that. Id like our stands to be steeper giving a more compact feel, that appears quite flat
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 21, 2017, 01:35:22 AM
Spurs' single tier stand looks immense like
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Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 01:39:47 AM
Looks superb that
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Post by: Makis on March 21, 2017, 01:44:58 AM
Hope so. It looks nice but isn't all that. Id like our stands to be steeper giving a more compact feel, that appears quite flat
There are some rules and regulations about how steep the stands on modern stadia can be.
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Post by: Simon Paul on March 21, 2017, 02:00:33 AM
There are some rules and regulations about how steep the stands on modern stadia can be.

think the maximum rake is 33% but not sure

the Top Balcony is much, much steeper than that!
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Post by: Confucius on March 21, 2017, 02:20:38 AM
Reminds me very much of Cape town stadium

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Post by: Simon Paul on March 21, 2017, 02:37:15 AM
Reminds me very much of Cape town stadium

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that's Arsenal's new ground isn't it?
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Post by: Confucius on March 21, 2017, 02:38:50 AM
that's Arsenal's new ground isn't it?

You probably right, they all look the same to me.
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Post by: velimski on March 21, 2017, 02:46:06 AM
That picture is definitely Cape Town.

Similar to the Emirates, which is virtually identical to Benfica's stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 21, 2017, 02:54:29 AM
I really, really want four identifiable stands, not a bowl

definitely not a bowl
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Post by: ally2 on March 21, 2017, 02:58:01 AM
I like bowls
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 21, 2017, 03:08:01 AM
I really, really want four identifiable stands, not a bowl

definitely not a bowl

same.... i dont think it will be a bowl.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 21, 2017, 03:12:00 AM
Some boss grounds with a bowl design.

Don't know why people are so against them
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 21, 2017, 03:16:43 AM
Some boss grounds with a bowl design.

Don't know why people are so against them

it's a bit generic though isn't it?

if it's done well, it's great, but anything other than done really, really well and it just looks like the Riverside or The Reebok.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Makis on March 21, 2017, 03:33:05 AM
think the maximum rake is 33% but not sure

the Top Balcony is much, much steeper than that!
Yeah, old stadiums are exempt, but if you build a new one you have to comform to those rules.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: keiko on March 21, 2017, 03:33:33 AM
dan meis is one of the best in this field. i know he designed the saitama super arena in japan, which is a concert arena and basketball arena which can change into a football stadium, from 20 thousand to 30 thousand capacity. The stand can mechanically move. The plumbing and everything in the stand automatically unplug and reconnect back in once the area has transformed. it's really cool, the design is based on a japanese bullet train as this arena is surrounded by trainline, and not so new, i went there over 10 years ago. stadiums which can transform for multipurpose are not such a pain in the ass as it may seem, for the best designers.
clearly the location and environment (water) and local architecture will be a big part in influencing how the stadium is designed in it's features and look. his roma stadium is based on the colosseum,  the docks stadium will be unique too. just how these influences are put into the design is pretty exciting to find out. but for sure it won't be a replica of some existing stadium
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 21, 2017, 03:38:41 AM
Yeah, old stadiums are exempt, but if you build a new one you have to comform to those rules.

absolutely

I have the entire case against Kirkby sitting in my spare room, so might have a look through to find the rules as they were in 2007 ish
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 21, 2017, 03:49:11 AM
We could have a bowl shape for the outside of the ground but Have 4 traditional stands inside the stadium.
There must be stadiums that have adopted this, I don't think it's a necessity to have the seating curved and bowl shaped if the outside is also a bowl.
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Post by: BlueBeagle on March 21, 2017, 03:49:52 AM
Bowls are soulless
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Post by: Confucius on March 21, 2017, 04:00:16 AM
Bowls make sense because they increase seating in the corners. 4 main stands lose out on thousands of seats
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Post by: Gash on March 21, 2017, 04:02:43 AM
Not a fan of bowls, far better to have the fans right on top of the pitch. Be fucked having a bit like the Emirates where even the fans behind the goals are quite far from the pitch. You want to try and at least have a stand that carries on the tradition that older grounds have with the 'home end' like the Gwladys Street etc. Can't really think of a bowl design that's intimidating, not that any grounds are these days but it would be nice if we'd at least give it a chance rather than stick the fans in a London Stadium type ground.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: velimski on March 21, 2017, 04:03:55 AM
Bowls make sense because they increase seating in the corners. 4 main stands lose out on thousands of seats

Have a look at Dortmund's ground.

4 distinct stands, yet they've still managed to fill the corners in with seats.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on March 21, 2017, 04:05:16 AM
Bowls make sense because they increase seating in the corners. 4 main stands lose out on thousands of seats

You can still fill in the corners without having to make it a bowl.
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Post by: D15TIN on March 21, 2017, 04:11:07 AM
Dan Meis hashtagged an image from the derby this season on his twitter account, reading " #NoColumnsIntheBowl "

I love Dortmunds ground as somebodys just mentioned, if we could get it anywhere near that it'd be amazing, there isnt really a Blue wall anywhere is there? ;)

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Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 04:14:34 AM
Bowls make sense because they increase seating in the corners. 4 main stands lose out on thousands of seats

Haha. I love when you joke around Con.
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Post by: Thornton_19 on March 21, 2017, 04:17:16 AM
Dan Meis hashtagged an image from the derby this season on his twitter account, reading " #NoColumnsIntheBowl "

I love Dortmunds ground as somebodys just mentioned, if we could get it anywhere near that it'd be amazing, there isnt really a Blue wall anywhere is there? ;)
He also responded to somebody saying that his uses bowl as a generic name for stadium. He seems to be well aware what Everton fans want.
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Post by: pedrotheblue on March 21, 2017, 04:21:57 AM
As has already been said you can have "individual" stands and  fill the corners, see Dortmund and Old Trafford.  The priority has to be a stadium that helps generate and reverberate a ferocious atmosphere inside the ground, we're going to be in there for the next god knows how many years, so we need to get that right above all else.
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Post by: efcforlife on March 21, 2017, 04:22:06 AM
No one said it was feasible, I just said it'd be cool!

Calm down tiger.. no ones laughing at you.

I'm laughing at the story
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 21, 2017, 04:27:03 AM
Soccer City is kind of a bowl but you pretty close to the action. Awesome atmosphere, lots of noise. Fantastic noise. mind you it does seat close to 100 000

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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: efcforlife on March 21, 2017, 04:28:33 AM
Hope so. It looks nice but isn't all that. Id like our stands to be steeper giving a more compact feel, that appears quite flat


Are you messing?

The stands are super close to the pitch.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on March 21, 2017, 04:32:22 AM
Soccer City is kind of a bowl but you pretty close to the action. Awesome atmosphere, lots of noise. Fantastic noise. mind you it does seat close to 100 000

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But Newlands is better, no?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: efcforlife on March 21, 2017, 04:36:26 AM
Soccer City is kind of a bowl but you pretty close to the action. Awesome atmosphere, lots of noise. Fantastic noise. mind you it does seat close to 100 000

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If I could pick exactly how I don't want a stadium to be it would that one.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on March 21, 2017, 04:38:10 AM
Soccer City is kind of a bowl but you pretty close to the action. Awesome atmosphere, lots of noise. Fantastic noise. mind you it does seat close to 100 000

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/skywalker01/skywalker011008/skywalker01100800005/7659876-Panoramic-photo-inside-the-Soccer-City-stadium-during-the-2010-Fifa-world-cup--Stock-Photo.jpg)


Stands still look quite far away, especially the side ones. I'd want to see the front row of the stands where the advertising hoardings are in the photo.
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Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 21, 2017, 04:41:08 AM
Bowls make sense because they increase seating in the corners. 4 main stands lose out on thousands of seats

San Siro manages it ok.

(http://storiedicalcio.altervista.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Milan_Inter_Pisapia_San_Siro.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: keiko on March 21, 2017, 05:00:31 AM
it won't be like dortmund's stadium as there is no connection visually between that and liverpool's docks. placing a copy of that one would look bad, also, why hire a world-class stadium designer if we want that?
the design will come from the conceptualization of many details of the site. the land, the water, the history of the area/club/city, the architecture, the local materials and the special requirements of the location.  a dock stadium is naturally going to be more "different' than a stadium on a flat inner-city field or a industrial estate- although any location carries it's own unique features. water will be a main theme.
it's best to think of it as not "a stadium on the dock" i.e a generic design placed on a location with little connection to its surroundings, but as a "dock stadium"- a stadium that has had every element specifically tailored for where it will be.
look at previous dan meis designs, some are in the desert, the pay homage to that, others are in downtown L.A- and you can tell. every design is totally different from eachother, each incorporates it's environment heavily into its design. there are few running themes in his work.

everyone can come up with a concept that they would find fitting, the good thing is that dan meis will come up with something better than everyone else. if it is "bowl", then that's his interpretation, so ill be happy. do i think it will be bowl-like? no, i can't see any correlation between a bowl and the site, but it;s not my job to do that. he tweeted saying it's "intimidating" and respects Goodison history, no doubt it will be highly modern with juxtaposition of the past. and it will definitely fit well next to the mersey, that's the whole point of it.
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Post by: Ross on March 21, 2017, 05:01:12 AM
Bowl or not I think one of the main criteria that should be the considered in the design is a safe standing area/stand.

It'll be coming back sooner rather than later and for it to be effective in a new build it'll need to be designed into the stadium now rather than an ad hoc renovation in 5/10 years time.

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Post by: Ramjam on March 21, 2017, 05:10:11 AM
San Siro manages it ok.

(http://storiedicalcio.altervista.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Milan_Inter_Pisapia_San_Siro.jpg)

That looks great and that's why I would prefer
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 21, 2017, 05:17:04 AM
Stands super close to the pitch really is essential for us I think

50,000 ish

No running track

Preferably not a bowl shape

Would have thought that most blues would be happy as long as these are kept to

Also name wise if there is a sponsor it would be nice to be for a product/business that we all like!

Also I hope they let that nice man take his megaphone in with him
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 21, 2017, 05:17:18 AM
Yeah a rounded rectangle like that would be great. When it's all connected like that though it's hard to insert a single tier somewhere. Kind of has to be multi tier all the way around.
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Post by: Tinga on March 21, 2017, 05:44:59 AM
Should make it in the shape of a castle with moats and shit, with a place to hang the kopites.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: chang on March 21, 2017, 05:49:35 AM
In this day and age, where it is essential to use anything you can legitimately to get an advantage over your opposition -  the "one off" chance to design your home ground to suit you is a something Everton just simply have to exploit.

We ain't ever building another, so get this one spot on.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 21, 2017, 05:54:17 AM
Bowl or not I think one of the main criteria that should be the considered in the design is a safe standing area/stand.

It'll be coming back sooner rather than later and for it to be effective in a new build it'll need to be designed into the stadium now rather than an ad hoc renovation in 5/10 years time.


I've never got the hype over standing sections tbh, I personally couldn't think of anything worse, I just couldn't be arsed standing for 90+ minutes.

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Post by: Jamokachi on March 21, 2017, 05:59:35 AM
We ain't ever building another, so get this one spot on.

Wonder if they said the same about Goodison?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on March 21, 2017, 06:00:14 AM
I've never got the hype over standing sections tbh, I personally couldn't think of anything worse, I just couldn't be arsed standing for 90+ minutes.

Nah, standing's great, improves the atmosphere no end!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on March 21, 2017, 06:03:35 AM
Also name wise if there is a sponsor it would be nice to be for a product/business that we all like!
"Can Everton hold on to this lead? Over to Chris Kamara at the PornHub."
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on March 21, 2017, 06:42:06 AM
I've never got the hype over standing sections tbh, I personally couldn't think of anything worse, I just couldn't be arsed standing for 90+ minutes.



It's not for me now either Dunc. But obviously there's a movement back towards that and you need to be ready for it.

Looking at all the new stadiums that have been built recently plus the two new proposed ones at Spurs and Chelsea there's no real scope for it. They just seem all about shallow stands and corporate hospitality suites.  I'd at least like to see we've been imaginative about this given the current desire.

Who knows we could be the first British club to build a football stadium with a purpose built safe standing area? Another Everton first.
Title: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 21, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
But Newlands is better, no?

Newlands is Cape Town stadium. Looks nicer does Cape Town but Soccer Coty has a better atmosphere and easier to watch the game.

Google Moses Mabhida Stadium. That is one awesome stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: kbh triangle on March 21, 2017, 12:42:49 PM
You can still fill in the corners without having to make it a bowl.
Talking of filling in would the spoil from St. Peppers tunnels fill in the dock?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 21, 2017, 01:13:16 PM

Are you messing?

The stands are super close to the pitch.



Was talking more about the gradient than the proximity
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on March 21, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
Google Moses Mabhida Stadium. That is one awesome stadium.

As nice as it looks I'd be distraught at the inside of our stadium being like that!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 21, 2017, 02:33:29 PM
Be a shame not to make the most of the water, might lose a few balls but itd be interesting...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 02:36:25 PM
How about capacity, 60,000? Would we fill it, that's the important question
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on March 21, 2017, 02:39:02 PM
Be a shame not to make the most of the water, might lose a few balls but itd be interesting...

Singapore?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on March 21, 2017, 02:40:33 PM
How about capacity, 60,000? Would we fill it, that's the important question

Not currently, but if we're serious about wanting to be one of the top clubs in the country then we need the infrastructure to support that growth.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 21, 2017, 02:41:00 PM
Singapore?

Yep
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 21, 2017, 03:01:34 PM
How about capacity, 60,000? Would we fill it, that's the important question
........................I think 50,000 is achievable on a regular basis ,given the amount of people who would go if they could get decent seats . Maybe 55,000 for certain games .
Plenty of new ''customers '' would be attracted by an iconic stadium with good catering facilities etc. It's a day out for some people and the actual football is only a part of it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 21, 2017, 03:02:15 PM
Newlands is Cape Town stadium. Looks nicer does Cape Town but Soccer Coty has a better atmosphere and easier to watch the game.

Google Moses Mabhida Stadium. That is one awesome stadium.

Its still a bowl Con, and imagine the draft coming from down the Mersey through that gap in the end !!  (cant be arsed to post pic, but I'm sure you know where I mean)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 21, 2017, 03:06:26 PM
55k i reckon is about right. With a stadium plan that allows a further ~20k by easily filling in the corners we're all talking about.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 21, 2017, 03:19:26 PM
I think we could do 55,000 easily if the ticket prices were right. Id love us to build the second biggest football ground outside of Wembley though, would be hilarious.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 21, 2017, 03:32:01 PM
50 K with scope to move to 55k and on to 60k would be the ideal
With all the corporate boxes behind the TV cameras
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 21, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
50 K with scope to move to 55k and on to 60k would be the ideal
With all the corporate boxes behind the TV cameras

Why behind the tv cameras?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 21, 2017, 03:34:31 PM
Why behind the tv cameras?
So you can't see the empty seats just before and after half time, just one of those things that annoy me
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 21, 2017, 03:35:58 PM
So you can't see the empty seats just before and after half time, just one of those things that annoy me

Yep that's understandable
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: van der Meyde on March 21, 2017, 03:38:59 PM
I think 55k should be the absolute minimum. I would prefer 60k though.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 21, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
So you can't see the empty seats just before and after half time, just one of those things that annoy me
...................I'd like to see seat belts fitted to every seat so you can't leave before the end . Either that or be chained in like galley slaves  :wag:
We couldn't see the 4th goal last week for people leaving early and standing in the gangways. We sit just behind the padded seats and they are the worst for bailing out early at half time ,like @Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) says.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 21, 2017, 03:46:03 PM
What's the chance of the option for safe standing conversion behind our goal incase the laws would change. Maybe this could be incorporated into the design.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 03:48:03 PM
Like to see 55k capacity minimum with option to expand ofcourse.

Reckon wed easily fill that. Season ticket sales would go up. Sell around 45,000  then the rest general sale/away fans.

Also it would be a smigen more than the shites capacity.

I know that's not how we should be looking at it but the way Spurs have purposley made their new ground 61,000 just to be slightly above Arsenals I reckon it would be funny to wind them up more.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 03:48:42 PM
Should do the same as Spurs, have our capacity at exactly 100 more than the redshite.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 03:49:45 PM
Should do the same as Spurs, have our capacity at exactly 100 more than the redshite.

Literally just said that then haha. Great minds think alike.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 21, 2017, 04:07:38 PM
All well and good - but Anfield has just started looking into phase 2  of expansion.
Anfield road expansion got planning permission at the same time as their main stand, but they didn't want to start it until the main stand was complete and a review was done.

Long story short, they'll be playing in a 58, 800 seater stadium by the time we've built our new stadium.


(What is more interesting is that they have permission to build 8 apartments as part of the Annie Road build. I've wondered if you could attach a view of the pitch to that and charge an exorbitant amount fo annual rent as a further income stream to inflate the figures for FFP. Like Moshiri takes a pad for £1m a year or something)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 21, 2017, 04:15:58 PM
double post
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 04:23:27 PM
All well and good - but Anfield has just started looking into phase 2  of expansion.
Anfield road expansion got planning permission at the same time as their main stand, but they didn't want to start it until the main stand was complete and a review was done.

Long story short, they'll be playing in a 58, 800 seater stadium by the time we've built our new stadium.


(What is more interesting is that they have permission to build 8 apartments as part of the Annie Road build. I've wondered if you could attach a view of the pitch to that and charge an exorbitant amount fo annual rent as a further income stream to inflate the figures for FFP. Like Moshiri takes a pad for £1m a year or something)

They've shelved this plan haven't they? Something to do with the fans kicking off because they will have to increase ticket prices slightly once its built
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 21, 2017, 04:27:26 PM
ah, i hadn't heard that. I know they kicked off over the main stand for that.
But as the Anfield road was guaranteed to just be general sale tickets with no corp's i thought they were made up with it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 21, 2017, 04:33:01 PM
ah, i hadn't heard that. I know they kicked off over the main stand for that.
But as the Anfield road was guaranteed to just be general sale tickets with no corp's i thought they were made up with it.
...........my kopite mate tells me it's still on and they want to raise capacity to 62,000 so they can host the Commonwealth Games.................ok.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 21, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
ah, i hadn't heard that. I know they kicked off over the main stand for that.
But as the Anfield road was guaranteed to just be general sale tickets with no corp's i thought they were made up with it.

One of the directors basically said that the increased prices in the main stand that they kicked off about were going to pay for the new anfield Rd end.

Therefore currently the next Expansion isn't viable.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 04:57:22 PM
Yeah I am sure I read somewhere the director of the shite said while the new big stand is impressive it wasn't the most financially viable option.

He was basically saying they have a limit to how much they can redevelop and expand. They have snookered themselves into staying there really.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 21, 2017, 04:59:38 PM
Looking at what everyone else is doing / could do I think we should be going for 60,000.

There's too much worry over what the atmosphere would be like if we're averaging 53,000 say.

Barça "only" average 70k ish yet they're expanding to 100k capacity.

When Spurs is built, "if" L'pool expand and when Chelsea is redone that will mean all the other "big" clubs (plus West Ham :) ) will have 60k+ stadia.

It would be remiss to have a completely new build and position the capacity behind that level. We'd essentially be in the same position that we are now.

We're not a club that can charge huge ticket prices and we won't have 10-20k worth of corporate "customers" that would make up a capacity shortfall.

We need to have a capacity that will hold demand for big games. And this isn't our big games now - the stadium move is designed to have big games as late stages of the CL etc.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on March 21, 2017, 05:23:58 PM
The club, from what I can see, are actively promoting a new fanbase with the vastly reduced rate season tickets for under 16's. As the Everton product increases revenue streams through social media and sponsorship it will increase the fan base. Fundamental points I admit but all aimed at the common goal to increase ground level fan support. An extra ten thousand seats will not be adequate if the club is successful with their current policies of increasing the fanbase. Many new grounds have a three tier seating arrangement of which some areas are left vacant for lesser games. I think everton will follow this template.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pjk on March 21, 2017, 06:06:57 PM
The rumours and points of reference to the Stadium keep gathering pace. This is definitely happening.


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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 21, 2017, 07:20:19 PM
The stage is set for what could quite possibly be the biggest let down in Everton history!and we've had our fair share!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 21, 2017, 07:22:54 PM
The stage is set for what could quite possibly be the biggest let down in Everton history!and we've had our fair share!
.................stand by for Operation Goodison  Letdown  . nod
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 21, 2017, 07:35:14 PM
"We've listened to the fans and noted how they have been talking about access, with that in mind we decided to go to the prestige location around a motorway. We're going to Stonebridge"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 21, 2017, 07:53:16 PM
The stage is set for what could quite possibly be the biggest let down in Everton history!and we've had our fair share!
I desperately want to see us go on and win things as I was lucky enough to see in the past and I'm getting older!
However,  I do get a little irritated at how many see only failure and disappointment. We've gone through financially hard times that,  but for a fightback against Wimbledon, could have seen us languishing in a lower division and disaster rather than disappointment. We have more than just survived in recent years - we have lived comfortably in the upper half of the best league in the world.
If we acknowledge that achievement a little more then it may help to dispel some of the negative feelings and make us more realistic about our place in the game and let us enjoy what we all hope is now within touching distance.
Football is about passion and taking risks so let's enjoy the sheer excitement of the moment without forever pulling it down with pessimism about what may happen. If there isn't a risk where's the sense of achievement when we 'win'?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 21, 2017, 07:53:22 PM
The stage is set for what could quite possibly be the biggest let down in Everton history!and we've had our fair share!
Haha you're telling me!!
Are Everton going to "Everton" this then?
The only positives I see more from this than any other stadium move is the fact that The Mayor of Liverpool is "secretly" behind this and we now have strong financial backing.
I think if this fails it'll be worse than any other ground move as we haven't really got an excuse this time around. Can't say we didn't have the funds so we'll see!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 07:55:54 PM
The stage is set for what could quite possibly be the biggest let down in Everton history!and we've had our fair share!

Can you imagine the reaction when nothing happens on Thursday
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 21, 2017, 08:02:34 PM
Haha obvs I hope we do have good news but it's probably a good idea to just see what happens and not expect the news we all want on Thursday!

I remember going to a semi final against this side that we hate at Wembley a few years ago. They had their 3rd choice keeper in goal, all we had to do was turn up!

I've been quite excited about the stadium but the closer the end of this week gets the more I'm thinking

'Hang on, things don't always go to plan as an evertonian!'
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: brap2 on March 21, 2017, 08:05:56 PM
Haha it's going to be a bit heavy this isn't it eh
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 08:08:35 PM
Haha obvs I hope we do have good news but it's probably a good idea to just see what happens and not expect the news we all want on Thursday!

I remember going to a semi final against this side that we hate at Wembley a few years ago. They had their 3rd choice keeper in goal, all we had to do was turn up!

I've been quite excited about the stadium but the closer the end of this week gets the more I'm thinking

'Hang on, things don't always go to plan as an evertonian!'

That was on grand national day, I was at Aintree racecourse crying into my many many glasses of champagne which I stupidly and prematurely bought when we were 1-0 up

Fucking Distin!!!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 21, 2017, 08:10:54 PM
65,000 and close to the pitch but no bowl?  Something has to give there unless you have steep stands, deep stands or multiple tiers.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 21, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
https://twitter.com/waynethompson73/status/843744561671389184
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 08:34:49 PM
https://twitter.com/hancox_keith/status/844149111699968001
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Corinthian on March 21, 2017, 08:38:58 PM
Bowls are soulless
Bowls are for Cornflakes.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 21, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
exclusive first pics

(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2015/07/01192513/oldstadium1.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 09:03:19 PM
Far to much green
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 21, 2017, 09:03:48 PM
Shouldn't there be a bath full of water down one side?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: van der Meyde on March 21, 2017, 09:21:24 PM
65,000 and close to the pitch but no bowl?  Something has to give there unless you have steep stands, deep stands or multiple tiers.
Each to their own, like, but I find multiple tiers are more visually appealing. That single tier stand at Tottenham's new ground looks out of place to me. Done right, I think multiple tiers help add intimacy to a ground and I personally think they're more overawing.

Single tiers are great when you've got orchestrated displays, when the whole stand is clad in the team's colours, when everyone's holding up flags or banners... I wouldn't want to be at the back of that tier though, I'd feel miles from the pitch.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 21, 2017, 09:30:40 PM
Each to their own, like, but I find multiple tiers are more visually appealing. That single tier stand at Tottenham's new ground looks out of place to me. Done right, I think multiple tiers help add intimacy to a ground and I personally think they're more overawing.

Single tiers are great when you've got orchestrated displays, when the whole stand is clad in the team's colours, when everyone's holding up flags or banners... I wouldn't want to be at the back of that tier though, I'd feel miles from the pitch.

Agreed,  I really like the look of the Suprastadio. That would do me nicely....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Silas on March 21, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
Can we have a triangle? Fucking love triangles me
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 09:52:30 PM
https://twitter.com/hancox_keith/status/844149111699968001

The comment section is hilarious, that Paul Hughes head has well and truly fell off at all of this.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 09:59:13 PM
So he's spat his dummy out because the shite were not informed that the land on Bramley Moor was available?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 09:59:27 PM
This is the one Meis is building for Roma.

http://www.meisstudio.com/work/#/stadiodellaroma/

It is a bowl but inside I have to admit I like the look of it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 21, 2017, 09:59:34 PM
exclusive first pics

(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2015/07/01192513/oldstadium1.jpg)

Vast improvement on Destination Kirkby at least
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 09:59:52 PM
So he's spat his dummy out because the shite were not informed that the land on Bramley Moor was available?


Apparently so, we should send him our transfer list as well, just in case Klopp wants to sign any of them!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 21, 2017, 10:01:19 PM
This is the one Meis is building for Roma.

http://www.meisstudio.com/work/#/stadiodellaroma/

It is a bowl but inside I have to admit I like the look of it.

Think he's done it as a bowl to resemble the Coliseum.

I presume that sort of thinking will influence what ours will look like.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 21, 2017, 10:01:52 PM
This is sensational, roll on Thursday, there's a lot of banter to be had, next game at their place as well.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 10:03:10 PM
Think he's done it as a bowl to resemble the Coliseum.

I presume that sort of thinking will influence what ours will look like.

This is what I was thinking too. Meis work generally consists around heritage and history of what he is building it for, he has even mentioned this in some of his tweets.

I think it will fit in with how the area around it looks, it will have a lot of character and wont look like anything you will have seen before. It will blend in with the rest of the Liverpool skyline as part of the regeneration of the area as well, I think Meis will take in every aspect of our history and come up with something special.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Hawkandro on March 21, 2017, 10:07:43 PM
I am not getting my hopes up. Not getting carried away for Thursday.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bobbyconrad on March 21, 2017, 10:11:34 PM
So he's spat his dummy out because the shite were not informed that the land on Bramley Moor was available?


He forgets to mention that we were rejected planning permission to build a stadium on Stanley park in the 90's but Liverpool were allowed and we were not consulted (both when the city was conveniently under the mayorship of a liverpool fan). the only history they can remember is 5 times and thats because its the highest number they can count to. 
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: keiko on March 21, 2017, 10:16:27 PM
This is the one Meis is building for Roma.

http://www.meisstudio.com/work/#/stadiodellaroma/

It is a bowl but inside I have to admit I like the look of it.

It is a great design, basing it on the colosseum may seem like an easy decision but why not! the colosseum is a  masterpiece afterall.

the budget available to meis for our stadium will obviously be vital in the design specifications and stadium capabilities. I was reading about the Doha Sports City Stadium for the world cup which the meis design won, it had an unlimited budget! His design ended up at 1.6 billion... although it is heavily designed for multi-purpose use and not like a traditional football stadium whatsoever. It is  amazing and has some unbelievable features and a design totally at fitting to its location and culture.

http://www.meisstudio.com/sport-city/


Everton obviously are not in the same galaxy in regard to a budget. But the process will still be about finding a good balance between an excellent purpose built football stadium that is still an arena which can be used all year, but fitting within the smaller budget. That does not  mean a running track around it, though. It could mean 100 different things in both the interior and exterior, and maximizing it's use is not a negative, with good design it is something that enhances the building even on match days adding to the overall experience.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 21, 2017, 10:18:50 PM
I am not getting my hopes up. Not getting carried away for Thursday.

Wise you are my friend
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluebridge on March 21, 2017, 10:31:29 PM
Can we have a triangle? Fucking love triangles me
And we could give naming rights to Dairylea !
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
And we could give naming rights to Dairylea !

Or grow the grass really long and call it the "Furry Triangle"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 21, 2017, 10:40:29 PM
I am not getting my hopes up. Not getting carried away for Thursday.
...........neither am I . Cancelled my gym and hairdo appointments ,ordered 2 cases of Stella and a tray of pies. Not leaving the house. Normal day really. 
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blob on March 21, 2017, 10:45:32 PM
exclusive first pics

(https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2015/07/01192513/oldstadium1.jpg)

stole my meccano design from 50 years ago.

it was also a shit idea then...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on March 21, 2017, 10:54:16 PM
The comment section is hilarious, that Paul Hughes head has well and truly fell off at all of this.

Absolutely pissing myself here. What a fucking cockwomble. I love that it's pissing them off.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 21, 2017, 11:13:25 PM
Absolutely pissing myself here. What a fucking cockwomble. I love that it's pissing them off.

I am being 100% serious when I thought a few of them where maybe slightly "miffed" at this.

Going through twitter I am genuinely shocked with how much they are all fuming about this. And it hasent even been announced yet.

Saying they should have been informed. They don't half have a strange sense of entitlement dont they?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 21, 2017, 11:33:09 PM
That fella who wanted the ferry to North Wales to take centre place of the docks is gonna be pretty pissed off I think

How the fuck is he gonna get to Llandudno now?

Everton are truly inconsiderate bastards
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 21, 2017, 11:55:19 PM
Any rumours of Batman lights?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on March 21, 2017, 11:58:56 PM
I am being 100% serious when I thought a few of them where maybe slightly "miffed" at this.

Going through twitter I am genuinely shocked with how much they are all fuming about this. And it hasent even been announced yet.

Saying they should have been informed. They don't half have a strange sense of entitlement dont they?

Typical jealous behaviour isn't it? They've been spoilt so long by the mainstream media. Hopefully, it's now our turn
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 22, 2017, 12:41:20 AM
Must be some kind of leaked design knocking about?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on March 22, 2017, 12:54:00 AM
So if we build this that'll be three stadiums we've built in the city while all Liverpool have managed to put up is an extension. :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 22, 2017, 01:41:06 AM
Anfield Annex
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 22, 2017, 01:46:38 AM
So if we build this that'll be three stadiums we've built in the city while all Liverpool have managed to put up is an extension. :)
Robbed
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 22, 2017, 01:51:11 AM
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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on March 22, 2017, 01:56:59 AM
Must be some kind of leaked design knocking about?

Do hope it doesn't leak Ram.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 22, 2017, 01:56:59 AM
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That's cheap can we have two? 😂😂😂
In all seriousness though have we had anything like this before in terms of anything official in regards to documentation in previous proposed builds?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 22, 2017, 01:59:21 AM
Sod it im tempting fate, what the hell we calling it then? Think USM will be in the title somewhere?
How about simply call it
The USM Bramley Moore Stadium?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Risky on March 22, 2017, 02:10:50 AM
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Robbed this off Facebook

Top bellendry!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on March 22, 2017, 02:24:21 AM
Sod it im tempting fate, what the hell we calling it then? Think USM will be in the title somewhere?
How about simply call it
The USM Bramley Moore Stadium?

The USM Corinthian Stadium or the USM Royal Blue Mersey Stadium
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 22, 2017, 02:26:45 AM
The USM Kopite Gallows
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 22, 2017, 02:30:29 AM
The USM Kopite Gallows
Haha they'll want to hang themselves if this all comes off! They won't be able to cope. They'll just shout 5 times and probably wanna move into Goodison. That's what they did last time! 😂😂😂
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 22, 2017, 02:31:15 AM
If you build it we will come
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 22, 2017, 02:35:41 AM
Do hope it doesn't leak Ram.

I'm sure with its proximity to the river that potential leakage will be one of the prime design concerns.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on March 22, 2017, 02:36:29 AM
Something best happen on Thursday after all this!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 22, 2017, 02:36:39 AM
The People's Stadium
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on March 22, 2017, 02:38:05 AM
The People's Stadium

God no. A stadium name based on a phrase once coined by David Moyes? No thanks.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 22, 2017, 02:42:40 AM
You had all better hope he doesn't take inspiration from around the stadium to build something unique.

We'd end up with 4 monstrous red-brick rectangles right out of a Lego set due to what's around there.

Remember the old power station stadium mooted for Chelsea?

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article819141.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/A%20mock%20up%20of%20how%20Battersea%20power%20station%20would%20converted%20as%20Chelsea%20FC's%20new%20stadium
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 22, 2017, 02:45:34 AM
You had all better hope he doesn't take inspiration from around the stadium to build something unique.

We'd end up with 4 monstrous red-brick rectangles right out of a Lego set due to what's around there.

Remember the old power station stadium mooted for Chelsea?

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article819141.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/A%20mock%20up%20of%20how%20Battersea%20power%20station%20would%20converted%20as%20Chelsea%20FC's%20new%20stadium

I thought that was great.  Better than the shiny ring piece they're getting now.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 22, 2017, 02:52:04 AM
If you build it we will come

If they announce it we will come
Title: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Zoolander on March 22, 2017, 02:52:30 AM
Liverpool Mersey MegaFon/USM Stadium

Having the location of Liverpool mentioned in the title would fuck the red shite off so bad they'd explode.
Having the name Mersey included would compound this :)
MegaFon or USM - as they're paying for it

Whilst I think of it, you know the way the red fuckers always refer to their club as "Liverpool Football Club" instead of just Liverpool. We should always refer to our stadium as the Liverpool Mersey USM stadium at Bramley Moore Dock Liverpool. Just to wind the cunts up :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 22, 2017, 02:53:12 AM
I quite like just 'USM' or 'USM Everton FC'
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 22, 2017, 03:03:14 AM
If they announce it we will come

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Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 22, 2017, 04:17:34 AM
So if this gets completed that's three football grounds we've built in our history, am I right?

How many teams have built three or more football grounds?

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 22, 2017, 04:19:08 AM
So if this gets completed that's three football grounds we've built in our history, am I right?

How many teams have built three or more football grounds?



Nomad United?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluebridge on March 22, 2017, 04:21:59 AM
Liverpool Mersey MegaFon/USM Stadium

Having the location of Liverpool mentioned in the title would fuck the red shite off so bad they'd explode.
Having the name Mersey included would compound this :)
MegaFon or USM - as they're paying for it

Whilst I think of it, you know the way the red fuckers always refer to their club as "Liverpool Football Club" instead of just Liverpool. We should always refer to our stadium as the Liverpool Mersey USM stadium at Bramley Moore Dock Liverpool. Just to wind the cunts up :)
I'd rather not have Liverpool mentioned at all, We are Everton end of!!!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dixie-dean on March 22, 2017, 04:28:58 AM
Personally I'd love us to go completely mental and ignore everything before it when it comes to actual football stadiums and go with something like the lucas oil stadium.

Got a proper old Docklands warehouse look about it, get some proper steep stands inside it.

Create a bear pit.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 22, 2017, 04:40:26 AM
There's so much to work with in a design sense - of the club, the city, the sea, the docks, the old and the new. I can't wait to see what they might have come up with.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 22, 2017, 04:46:19 AM
Mad looking thing that Lucas Oil Stadium, proper moody.

Love it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pdentith on March 22, 2017, 06:26:38 AM
I spoke to somebody a few months ago who said they knew Moshiri wants something like the Lucas Oil stadium. Including the big window at one end overlooking the city.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 22, 2017, 12:35:25 PM
Getting excited now!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 22, 2017, 01:04:42 PM
It's close. Boobies!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 22, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Dunno if this guy has any credibility but this doesn't sound too good. Also said Joe has called a presser for 11am Thursday.

John Merro‏ @johnmerro1  10h10 hours ago
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 No footy journalist has been invited to any event by #EFC on Thursday so any official stadium announcement will come via the club website.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on March 22, 2017, 02:57:47 PM
Dunno if this guy has any credibility but this doesn't sound too good. Also said Joe has called a presser for 11am Thursday.

John Merro‏ @johnmerro1  10h10 hours ago
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 No footy journalist has been invited to any event by #EFC on Thursday so any official stadium announcement will come via the club website.

Depends how you look at it. He seems quite well respected as an itk but I can't remember anything major or unexpected he has said. (Could be wrong just don't remember) he also told me Martinez was the future so who knows.  He does seem to get media stuff right but not sure if it's his info or he just knows where to look online etc.

In terms of this being "not good" I wouldn't worry, I don't think this sort of announcement is a press conference type scenario.
A potentially related bit of info is that the academy lads who usually train on Thursday but have other commitments on a Wednesday are in today because they can't train Thursday. Maybe because something big is going on.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 22, 2017, 03:07:32 PM
Spurs didn't have a press conference to announce theirs, neither did Chelsea, just got announced via their website
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Big Nev on March 22, 2017, 03:12:46 PM
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Anyone else notice the payer is in arrears by £2600 odd?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 22, 2017, 03:18:09 PM
Depends how you look at it. He seems quite well respected as an itk but I can't remember anything major or unexpected he has said. (Could be wrong just don't remember) he also told me Martinez was the future so who knows.  He does seem to get media stuff right but not sure if it's his info or he just knows where to look online etc.

In terms of this being "not good" I wouldn't worry, I don't think this sort of announcement is a press conference type scenario.
A potentially related bit of info is that the academy lads who usually train on Thursday but have other commitments on a Wednesday are in today because they can't train Thursday. Maybe because something big is going on.
.................maybe Joe is having exclusive use of the facilities for a work-out . :blush:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 22, 2017, 03:33:48 PM
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"It wasn't me, it was the spooky Everton ghost!"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 22, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
Don't listen to a word John Merro says.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 22, 2017, 03:35:32 PM
.................maybe Joe is having exclusive use of the facilities for a work-out . :blush:

He's maybe gloving up for a workout with Bomber
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on March 22, 2017, 03:48:52 PM
.................maybe Joe is having exclusive use of the facilities for a work-out . :blush:

Nah he said he had cancelled his workout Thursday. Can't be that.  Maybe it's his annual bath.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 22, 2017, 03:57:58 PM
Everyone does realise that this is just imagery being released tomorrow, all the press will be after that, they will give them time to send all the questions to them so they can police them, they will then hold a presser for the official release, which I half imagine to be on the morning of the derby, with some sort of joke comment in the story to coincide with the date.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 22, 2017, 04:03:30 PM
I'm astonished to hear that people thin kthere will be any press conference at all?
It'd be badly weird if there was.

Online images and maybe a few talking head soundbites from the architect/chairman/manager/captain.

Unless someone can point me to the press conference we had for Kings Dock/Kirkby? Whilst i wouldn't swear they didn't happen - i certainly don't remember them.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 22, 2017, 04:08:31 PM
Everyone does realise that this is just imagery being released tomorrow, all the press will be after that, they will give them time to send all the questions to them so they can police them, they will then hold a presser for the official release, which I half imagine to be on the morning of the derby, with some sort of joke comment in the story to coincide with the date.


So will they announce that they've bought the land and then show some artists impressions of what it might look like do you think?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 22, 2017, 04:21:23 PM
So will they announce that they've bought the land and then show some artists impressions of what it might look like do you think?

Im starting to get more sceptical with every passing second that anything will be announced tomorrow. Think people (including myself) put 2 and 2 together and made 5? The entire story came about as Joe Anderson has cleared his diary for tomorrow, if there isnt a press conference tomorrow, which it appears there isnt, why would you need to clear your diary?
Dont get me wrong I do think it will happen and I hope itll be tomorrow, just not sure!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 22, 2017, 04:24:23 PM
Everyone does realise that this is just imagery being released tomorrow, all the press will be after that, they will give them time to send all the questions to them so they can police them, they will then hold a presser for the official release, which I half imagine to be on the morning of the derby, with some sort of joke comment in the story to coincide with the date.


Mate just sent me this and said April fool, got a cob on when I told him that its actually still March and the red seats make it look like their shitehole

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anyway....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 22, 2017, 04:27:07 PM
I'm astonished to hear that people thin kthere will be any press conference at all?
It'd be badly weird if there was.

Online images and maybe a few talking head soundbites from the architect/chairman/manager/captain.

Unless someone can point me to the press conference we had for Kings Dock/Kirkby? Whilst i wouldn't swear they didn't happen - i certainly don't remember them.

People think there's a press conference for everything.

You have one to announce a new manager and that's it.

Everything else is fed through the media
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 22, 2017, 04:30:00 PM
So will they announce that they've bought the land and then show some artists impressions of what it might look like do you think?

This was the Echo unveiling the first pictures of Kirkby:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/revealed-evertons-150m-kirkby-dream-3508347

From what i remember, besides the images, the first thing Everton 100% officially did was a q&a with Wyness?

With the Kings dock there was even less. Kenwright just did an interview with the Echo i think. It was a little while later that images were completed.



I'd say, based on what has happened in the past:
We have skipped the announcement that we are looking to move (replaced by AGM type confirmations)
We have skipped the announcement by Kenwright where we are moving (replaced by pap photos and Anderson not being able to hold his own water)
We are skipping the vote all together (no bad thing this time around)
IF we release images then we are well down the timeline and the club have just kept their powder dry
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on March 22, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
Im starting to get more sceptical with every passing second that anything will be announced tomorrow. Think people (including myself) put 2 and 2 together and made 5? The entire story came about as Joe Anderson has cleared his diary for tomorrow, if there isnt a press conference tomorrow, which it appears there isnt, why would you need to clear your diary?
Dont get me wrong I do think it will happen and I hope itll be tomorrow, just not sure!

At a guess I'd imagine he hasnt actually cleared his diary. I think he was just being mischievous and letting the world know it's on.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: van der Meyde on March 22, 2017, 04:32:07 PM
I'd rather not have Liverpool mentioned at all, We are Everton end of!!!
We're from Liverpool.

It's pretty small time to shy away from that because there's another club in the city with that name.

(I'd go as far as including the use of city emblems such as the liver bird in that, but that's another issue.)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 22, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
This was the Echo unveiling the first pictures of Kirkby:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/revealed-evertons-150m-kirkby-dream-3508347

From what i remember, besides the images, the first thing Everton 100% officially did was a q&a with Wyness?

With the Kings dock there was even less. Kenwright just did an interview with the Echo i think. It was a little while later that images were completed.



I'd say, based on what has happened in the past:
We have skipped the announcement that we are looking to move (replaced by AGM type confirmations)
We have skipped the announcement by Kenwright where we are moving (replaced by pap photos and Anderson not being able to hold his own water)
We are skipping the vote all together (no bad thing this time around)
IF we release images then we are well down the timeline and the club have just kept their powder dry

I think given the hype this week it might be a bit underwhelming if we just get an echo article with artists impressions of what the stadium might look like IF we purchase the land and get permission to build it there
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 22, 2017, 04:46:06 PM
I think given the hype this week it might be a bit underwhelming if we just get an echo article with artists impressions of what the stadium might look like IF we purchase the land and get permission to build it there

The hype hasn't come from the club though has it?

Not even the Echo. Literally all that has happened is the mayor has said something is happening on Thursday.
The twitterati may have built up hype off the back of that, bu for the vast majority of people(i.e. non-twitter people) they just think something may be announced tomorrow and it'll be sound if it is.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on March 22, 2017, 04:46:31 PM
So Joe can still make his hair appointment?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 22, 2017, 05:25:28 PM
I'am expecting some sort of official announcement through the media tbh.

Basically something like, we're moving to Bramley Moore, this is what it will look like, this is how it's financed, this is when it will be completed, ps kopites are gobshites.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 22, 2017, 05:52:39 PM
Pinched from twitter

Were on the march with Koeman's army
We're all off to Bramley Moore
You'll be in your shitty stand
with your ipads in your hand
and be gutted your not famous anymore.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 22, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
i'm expecting the announcement with official images of the new ground..... eeeeeek
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on March 22, 2017, 05:57:43 PM
Pinched from twitter

Were on the march with Koeman's army
We're all off to Bramley Moore
You'll be in your shitty stand
with your ipads in your hand
and be gutted your not famous anymore.

 lolol lolol


Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 22, 2017, 05:59:40 PM
Pinched from twitter

Were on the march with Koeman's army
We're all off to Bramley Moore
You'll be in your shitty stand
with your ipads in your hand
and be gutted your not famous anymore.

Grim
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dazfrancis on March 22, 2017, 06:02:30 PM
Pinched from twitter

Were on the march with Koeman's army
We're all off to Bramley Moore
You'll be in your shitty stand
with your ipads in your hand
and be gutted your not famous anymore.
That's a bit RAWK-ey
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 22, 2017, 06:06:07 PM
On one hand that song, and almost all songs that you see people tweet about are terrible

On the other hand I have been trying to pen a song about Dominic Calvert-Lewin to the tune of Don't Cha by the Pussy Cat Dolls

There's a thin line between shite and genius
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toffee1 on March 22, 2017, 06:06:10 PM
That's a bit RAWK-ey

Completely off topic but is your avatar an example of what Klopp would look like after he has had a bath?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dazfrancis on March 22, 2017, 06:09:37 PM
Completely off topic but is your avatar an example of what Klopp would look like after he has had a bath?


It's more like what klopp would look like after a skull full of beak
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 22, 2017, 06:15:35 PM
On one hand that song, and almost all songs that you see people tweet about are terrible

On the other hand I have been trying to pen a song about Dominic Calvert-Lewin to the tune of Don't Cha by the Pussy Cat Dolls

There's a thin line between shite and genius

Scans better to 'Don't you want me baby?' doesn't it?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 22, 2017, 06:17:03 PM
Scans better to 'Don't you want me baby?' doesn't it?

That song can't be used again now as Bryan Oviedo has left

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluebridge on March 22, 2017, 06:18:24 PM
We're from Liverpool.

It's pretty small time to shy away from that because there's another club in the city with that name.

(I'd go as far as including the use of city emblems such as the liver bird in that, but that's another issue.)
I don't mind Liverpool being in our address, I wouldn't want it as part of our stadium name though, We are Everton, not Everton in Liverpool.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 22, 2017, 06:34:41 PM
So will they announce that they've bought the land and then show some artists impressions of what it might look like do you think?
Yup that's exactly what I expect
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 22, 2017, 06:37:39 PM
Grim
Happy arse, that's funny
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 22, 2017, 06:54:13 PM
On one hand that song, and almost all songs that you see people tweet about are terrible

On the other hand I have been trying to pen a song about Dominic Calvert-Lewin to the tune of Don't Cha by the Pussy Cat Dolls

There's a thin line between shite and genius

What about Dominic Calvert Lewin to the tune of Seven nation army?

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 22, 2017, 07:37:11 PM
What about Dominic Calvert Lewin to the tune of Seven nation army?

No that'd be shite too
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 22, 2017, 08:04:02 PM
What about Dominic Calvert Lewin to the tune of Seven nation army?



Well at least it's original!

This kid is gonna go far (you, not DCL, although hopefully he will too!)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 22, 2017, 09:12:40 PM
Well at least it's original!

This kid is gonna go far (you, not DCL, although hopefully he will too!)

I hope you said this in a New York voice with a huge cigar on the go
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 22, 2017, 09:57:38 PM
I hope you said this in a New York voice with a huge cigar on the go

*Noo Yoik voice
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 22, 2017, 10:47:28 PM
*Noo Yoik voice

Indeed, buddy
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 22, 2017, 11:03:24 PM
the esk‏ @theesk  17m17 minutes ago
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 Heads will be falling off when details of the stadium financing are revealed tomorrow - very exciting
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..................oh and Witsel is ours.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 22, 2017, 11:51:26 PM
It's happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Silas on March 22, 2017, 11:59:58 PM
the esk‏ @theesk  17m17 minutes ago
More
 Heads will be falling off when details of the stadium financing are revealed tomorrow - very exciting
15 replies 14 retweets 32 likes
Reply  15   Retweet  14   
Like 32
..................oh and Witsel is ours.

The biggest fraud since that Nigerian fella robbed all my bank details him
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 12:02:30 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Everton/comments/60volw/sharing_some_news/

Quote
Hi,
I want to share some news I got from a friend.
"On our way home from an epic trip with the Norwegian Supportersclub! 140 Norwegian Evertonians made the trip. And what a trip it was! 4-0 win, AND WE MET DUNCAN after the game!! And on top of that we have some inside info on our new stadium in Bramley Moore. We got this from Joe Anderson, the mayor in Liverpool. This Thursday there is gonna be a pressconference where they will announce that we have bought the land. Finances are sorted WITHOUT Moshiris money. Moshiris money will be spendt on players only! Also new shirt sponsor for next season is USM! They are also heavy involved in the stadium, and thats why we can use Moshiris money on players!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 12:17:12 AM
i want pictures :(
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 23, 2017, 12:17:51 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Everton/comments/60volw/sharing_some_news/

I call bullshit. Didn't the echo say today or yesterday that we were in Tanzania and it's pretty much nailed on we're getting Sportpesa?
How has that been funded then without Moshiris money? As much as he's done well in trying to get us a new stadium I don't trust Joe Anderson one bit. Sting in the tail with this. No way we're not contributing a shit load of money to this
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 12:21:32 AM
Yeah sportpesa is our new sponsor for next season.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 12:22:08 AM
I call bullshit. Didn't the echo say today or yesterday that we were in Tanzania and it's pretty much nailed on we're getting Sportpesa?
How has that been funded then without Moshiris money? As much as he's done well in trying to get us a new stadium I don't trust Joe Anderson one bit. Sting in the tail with this. No way we're not contributing a shit load of money to this

Might well be mate. Thought it was worth throwing it out there. The Echo  don't seem to get much actual info these days, and you wouldn't put it past Anderson to spill the beans to some random guy from Norway. But yeah, might be nonsense or someone on the windup.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 23, 2017, 12:25:31 AM
Yeah sportpesa is our new sponsor for next season.

could be that USM will go on the sleeve with Sportpesa on the front of the shirt, or the other way around?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 23, 2017, 12:34:04 AM
Gotta be honest sports pesa being our sponsors next season, if it is to be true is a bit of a let down.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on March 23, 2017, 12:38:22 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Everton/comments/60volw/sharing_some_news/


I just wish that was all true, heads will well and truly fall off 😁
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 23, 2017, 12:48:18 AM
i want pictures :(
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170322/104f0cdf8074f0b6fd77d4f8a89c21c0.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on March 23, 2017, 12:48:58 AM
I call bullshit. Didn't the echo say today or yesterday that we were in Tanzania and it's pretty much nailed on we're getting Sportpesa?
How has that been funded then without Moshiris money? As much as he's done well in trying to get us a new stadium I don't trust Joe Anderson one bit. Sting in the tail with this. No way we're not contributing a shit load of money to this
bloody hell 140 Norwegians  Not sure if we have 140 supporters in Norway. I was at the game and heard a few danes ( normally my som and I are the only ones talking danish) pretty sure I would have heard or seen  140 Norwegians ......
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 12:53:06 AM
bloody hell 140 Norwegians  Not sure if we have 140 supporters in Norway. I was at the game and heard a few danes ( normally my som and I are the only ones talking danish) pretty sure I would have heard or seen  140 Norwegians ......

Nah they were there. One of their supporters club did a podcast with the Echo before the game.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 23, 2017, 12:55:09 AM
bloody hell 140 Norwegians  Not sure if we have 140 supporters in Norway. I was at the game and heard a few danes ( normally my som and I are the only ones talking danish) pretty sure I would have heard or seen  140 Norwegians ......

they took over the Winslow for the night after the match
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shogun on March 23, 2017, 12:59:28 AM
Gotta be honest sports pesa being our sponsors next season, if it is to be true is a bit of a let down.

I couldn't tell you any other team's sponsor so I'm not sure who it is really matters.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 01:05:28 AM
Gotta be honest sports pesa being our sponsors next season, if it is to be true is a bit of a let down.
As long as they paying us a Whack of money I'm in
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Polledreng on March 23, 2017, 01:07:09 AM
Nah they were there. One of their supporters club did a podcast with the Echo before the game.
thanks
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 01:16:45 AM
https://twitter.com/LivEchoEFC/status/844625732798222340
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 01:26:46 AM
This will sound stupid but I won't sleep tonight, I'm honestly like a kid on chrimbo eve
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on March 23, 2017, 01:36:01 AM
how are the inbreds on rawk taking it?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 23, 2017, 01:48:01 AM
how are the inbreds on rawk taking it?

The Samaritans phone number is attached at the top of each page of the thread 😔
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 01:51:14 AM
how are the inbreds on rawk taking it?
Just went on they are thinking that a - it won't happen and b - what's the big deal about being on the waterfront
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on March 23, 2017, 01:53:24 AM
The Samaritans phone number is attached at the top of each page of the thread 😔

 lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on March 23, 2017, 01:55:53 AM
This will sound stupid but I won't sleep tonight, I'm honestly like a kid on chrimbo eve

I won't sleep either - joys of having a teething one year old
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 01:58:52 AM
I won't sleep either - joys of having a teething one year old

Been there, done that, good luck
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sirblue57 on March 23, 2017, 02:00:09 AM
The Samaritans phone number is attached at the top of each page of the thread 😔
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Makis on March 23, 2017, 02:00:49 AM
That sponsorship thing. Not saying our seal-clubbing cousins are right or wrong but that could also mean stadium naming rights rather than shirt sponsorship.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 02:07:38 AM
Something is most certainly happening tomorrow.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 02:24:51 AM
Lifted from GOT:

Ok. I've pm'd a few people but here is as much as I can say publicly:

- obviously it's the docks getting announced

- funding arrangement is a bit of shock. We will technically own the stadium but the full amount will be loaned to us via a somewhat complex and quite surprising arrangement over 30 years (i think). If certain questions are asked by journos it will be fascinating to hear everton's response

- the funding i am aware of (there may be more) is NOT coming from Moshiri or Usmanov

- Joe Anderson is going to hit the headlines massively and will get huge stick but has potentially done a very good deal for all parties

- i believe some plans will be revealed tomorrow although i have no idea how detailed these will be
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 02:28:01 AM
Wouldn't that then put us back in massive debt?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on March 23, 2017, 02:28:17 AM
Lifted from GOT:

Ok. I've pm'd a few people but here is as much as I can say publicly:

- obviously it's the docks getting announced

- funding arrangement is a bit of shock. We will technically own the stadium but the full amount will be loaned to us via a somewhat complex and quite surprising arrangement over 30 years (i think). If certain questions are asked by journos it will be fascinating to hear everton's response

- the funding i am aware of (there may be more) is NOT coming from Moshiri or Usmanov

- Joe Anderson is going to hit the headlines massively and will get huge stick but has potentially done a very good deal for all parties

- i believe some plans will be revealed tomorrow although i have no idea how detailed these will be

Who off GOT us it that WD1878 (I think) fella?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 02:28:53 AM
Who off GOT us it that WD1878 (I think) fella?
No mate
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: t2487 on March 23, 2017, 02:28:58 AM
I can categorically confirm that USM are not the shirt sponsor.

Not sure re: the stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 23, 2017, 02:29:01 AM
Wouldn't that then put us back in massive debt?

yes, but it would be investment rather than borrowing to pay the daily expenses like wages as has been the case in the past
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: eame on March 23, 2017, 02:33:13 AM
Happened to 'mention' innocently,  to a red shite colleague today the an announcement was imminent tomorrow.

He replied with 'you can save money by not building a trophy room' I reminded him we built their trophy room and put trophies in it before they were even spawned and that although we might not have put any new stuff in the one at goodison for a while, the way things were looking with new investment and a new stadium we might have to alter the plans and build an even bigger one.

He called me a bitter knob, said I was dreaming and walked off shaking his scabby head. If this comes off tomorrow I think he will go on the sick!!! 
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 23, 2017, 02:40:46 AM
No way we building a 400M + stadium without going into some debt.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 02:41:50 AM
Wouldn't that then put us back in massive debt?

Only like a mortgage essentially.

No one was going to just go here's a load of money for a stadium.

If you think that we'll be there for 50+ years then as long as the debt costs aren't crippling then it's not an issue.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 23, 2017, 02:44:58 AM
Happened to 'mention' innocently,  to a red shite colleague today the an announcement was imminent tomorrow.

He replied with 'you can save money by not building a trophy room' I reminded him we built their trophy room and put trophies in it before they were even spawned and that although we might not have put any new stuff in the one at goodison for a while, the way things were looking with new investment and a new stadium we might have to alter the plans and build an even bigger one.

He called me a bitter knob, said I was dreaming and walked off shaking his scabby head. If this comes off tomorrow I think he will go on the sick!!! 

Cunt
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 23, 2017, 02:48:30 AM
Lifted from GOT:

Ok. I've pm'd a few people but here is as much as I can say publicly:

- obviously it's the docks getting announced

- funding arrangement is a bit of shock. We will technically own the stadium but the full amount will be loaned to us via a somewhat complex and quite surprising arrangement over 30 years (i think). If certain questions are asked by journos it will be fascinating to hear everton's response

- the funding i am aware of (there may be more) is NOT coming from Moshiri or Usmanov

- Joe Anderson is going to hit the headlines massively and will get huge stick but has potentially done a very good deal for all parties

- i believe some plans will be revealed tomorrow although i have no idea how detailed these will be
..............is this the guy who's saying LCC are going to lend the money ? Hard to believe such a loan could be promised by Joe without debate by the full council ,who are strapped for cash anyway .
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 23, 2017, 02:49:26 AM
Happened to 'mention' innocently,  to a red shite colleague today the an announcement was imminent tomorrow.

He replied with 'you can save money by not building a trophy room' I reminded him we built their trophy room and put trophies in it before they were even spawned and that although we might not have put any new stuff in the one at goodison for a while, the way things were looking with new investment and a new stadium we might have to alter the plans and build an even bigger one.

He called me a bitter knob, said I was dreaming and walked off shaking his scabby head. If this comes off tomorrow I think he will go on the sick!!! 
    Should have added we'd have got a lot more silver under Kendall if it hadn't been for you classless anus suckers
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: eame on March 23, 2017, 02:55:54 AM
    Should have added we'd have got a lot more silver under Kendall if it hadn't been for you classless anus suckers

Right, forgot about that.... on it tomorrow!!  Cheers
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on March 23, 2017, 03:02:59 AM
..............is this the guy who's saying LCC are going to lend the money ? Hard to believe such a loan could be promised by Joe without debate by the full council ,who are strapped for cash anyway .
I'd imagine it's either a loan underwritten by the council and we will pay them at a higher interest rate or they have bought the land and are going to lease it to us at a rate that gets them the money back +  a chunk in interest within 30years and then they "gift" it to us.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 23, 2017, 03:04:24 AM
Right, forgot about that.... on it tomorrow!!  Cheers
   Top man.....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bogie on March 23, 2017, 03:06:02 AM
so any set time tomorrow or is this going to be an F5 all day job ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 23, 2017, 03:07:53 AM
so any set time tomorrow or is this going to be an F5 all day job ?

Watch this space
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 03:10:02 AM
LCC are skint, no chance they loaning us any money
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: brap2 on March 23, 2017, 03:16:18 AM
God I hope it isn't something that convoluted and shaky and bullshit...can't we just have a load of money and our dreams are answered?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 23, 2017, 03:38:15 AM
I'd imagine it's either a loan underwritten by the council and we will pay them at a higher interest rate or they have bought the land and are going to lease it to us at a rate that gets them the money back +  a chunk in interest within 30years and then they "gift" it to us.
.............maybe so but wouldn't it still would have to be debated by the council ?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 23, 2017, 03:45:35 AM
I'll be sat in traffic waiting to get out of work at 5pm tomorrow

Wonder what Joe Anderson will be doing?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 23, 2017, 03:48:04 AM
I'll be sat in traffic waiting to get out of work at 5pm tomorrow

Wonder what Joe Anderson will be doing?

Don't worry, he will be telling the world what he is doing anyway.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 03:50:53 AM
ive heard 11am knocking about on twitter...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 03:51:46 AM
There'll be quite a kickoff if it is a loan underwritten by the council, given the cuts to public services. Arguably with some justification.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 03:57:41 AM
I'll be sat in traffic waiting to get out of work at 5pm tomorrow

Wonder what Joe Anderson will be doing?

Tweeting
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 23, 2017, 03:57:58 AM
ive heard 11am knocking about on twitter...
...............The Esk says 5pm so take your pick !!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 03:58:33 AM
There'll be quite a kickoff if it is a loan underwritten by the council, given the cuts to public services. Arguably with some justification.

Massive kick-off and protests id imagine
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Silas on March 23, 2017, 04:02:50 AM
...............The Esk says 5pm so take your pick !!

Staying at Goodison for a bajillion years it is.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: School of Science on March 23, 2017, 04:10:04 AM
There'll be quite a kickoff if it is a loan underwritten by the council, given the cuts to public services. Arguably with some justification.

Don't care as long as the whinging red fuckers pay their council tax on time.....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 23, 2017, 04:20:39 AM
There'll be quite a kickoff if it is a loan underwritten by the council, given the cuts to public services. Arguably with some justification.

Yes, it wouldn't sit well with me
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on March 23, 2017, 04:20:54 AM
.............maybe so but wouldn't it still would have to be debated by the council ?
Perhaps, maybe it was done secretly due to the commercial sensitivity of the deal. Other options could include the council buying GP off us or it's going to tie into the commonwealth games.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on March 23, 2017, 04:30:36 AM
There'll be quite a kickoff if it is a loan underwritten by the council, given the cuts to public services. Arguably with some justification.

I think if the council have lent us money from their existing coffers then fine a kickoff would be justified. If it's a case of the council have borrowed to buy  the land, this is assuming they are just funding the land purchase and not the full stadium costs. If they borrow from another source at say 1.5% interest , the public purse is not technically paying out, the club then pay a ground rent/repayment to the council of 5% interest, as soon as Everton make the first payment the council has more money.

This is guess work based on speculation, particularly the comment above regarding JA taking stick but actually getting a good deal for the council. Sure it will all come out tomorrow.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 04:34:55 AM

I think if the council have lent us money from their existing coffers then fine a kickoff would be justified. If it's a case of the council have borrowed to buy  the land, this is assuming they are just funding the land purchase and not the full stadium costs. If they borrow from another source at say 1.5% interest , the public purse is not technically paying out, the club then pay a ground rent/repayment to the council of 5% interest, as soon as Everton make the first payment the council has more money.

This is guess work based on speculation, particularly the comment above regarding JA taking stick but actually getting a good deal for the council. Sure it will all come out tomorrow.

Yeah, the council will have to make some money on this longterm (like the FF deal), or there's no way they be able to sell this proposal to the general public (assuming these leaks are accurate).
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 23, 2017, 04:36:45 AM
Where's the best forum to watch the koppite fume? I just fancy indulging in a bit of schadenfreud, or something that is spelt slightly differently!!!!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 04:41:29 AM
Where's the best forum to watch the koppite fume? I just fancy indulging in a bit of schadenfreud, or something that is spelt slightly differently!!!!

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=315580.37320
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 04:49:20 AM
The irony of a Liverpool fan calling a "conspiracy"  theory on us is, frankly,fantastic
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 23, 2017, 04:58:49 AM
Not gonna lie, I'm concerned how this will be funded. Let's see what happens. I'm surprised nothing official has been lifted from somewhere there's been a few things but nothing concrete.
Joe Andersons intentions might be well and good for us but at what cost? Please don't make us question it Joe! 
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on March 23, 2017, 05:15:25 AM
Lads, we've a billionaire majority shareholder who's best mate's with one of the richest men in the world and who's company is sponsoring Finch Farm. We're a football club playing in a multi billion pound league with more money being thrown at it than ever before, it's highly unlikely that we've gone to a skint LCC for money. They might have a hand in things somewhere but they won't be exposed to £3-400m, Moshiri might not be funding the stadium directly but unlike the Vibrac/Earl/Green days everything will be above board. (In my opinion) ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on March 23, 2017, 05:38:14 AM
Lads, we've a billionaire majority shareholder who's best mate's with one of the richest men in the world and who's company is sponsoring Finch Farm. We're a football club playing in a multi billion pound league with more money being thrown at it than ever before, it's highly unlikely that we've gone to a skint LCC for money. They might have a hand in things somewhere but they won't be exposed to £3-400m, Moshiri might not be funding the stadium directly but unlike the Vibrac/Earl/Green days everything will be above board. (In my opinion) ;)

You do realize how a lot of these billionaires get stadiums payed for, right?

It's absolutely unreal to me how it's done, but it's done. A billionaire paying 20+ men each millions a year, but lets get the people making an average of 60k a year to pay for it, or half of it.... blows my mind sometimes.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: American Evertonian on March 23, 2017, 05:43:27 AM
You do realize how a lot of these billionaires get stadiums payed for, right?

It's absolutely unreal to me how it's done, but it's done. A billionaire paying 20+ men each millions a year, but lets get the people making an average of 60k a year to pay for it, or half of it.... blows my mind sometimes.

Not sure how it compares to the US but the system in the US is horrible for tax payers but amazing for owners of teams. John Oliver breaks it down well in this - funny video and long but worth the watch. Let's be honest - we all have the time

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gash on March 23, 2017, 06:08:01 AM
Bit of a North American trend developing here, lads. ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 23, 2017, 06:38:50 AM
Doesn't LCC''s contribution depend on what it thinks the city will get out of it? It won't simply be a profit / loss in terms of what money is in the city''s bank now.
It will help to regenerate an area that in turn will attract more business and more money. In the short term it will provide jobs to build it. There is then the opportunity to develop the area around Goodison.  Perhaps the city buys that?  There is the image of the city in the wider world which,  again, attracts more business and wealth and so on.
I couldn't even begin to understand all the wheeling and dealing that will go on and neither,  I suppose, will all those koppites.
Do I join their forum and subtly snd mischievously wind them up?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 23, 2017, 08:25:47 AM
Just hope Joes not spun a yarn saying that the IOC have said it's on for us with the games and that's how the funding will come into play then it all goes tits up and we're looking like a spare prick at a wedding!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 23, 2017, 08:31:30 AM
Those bitter cunts are going bananas over there at rawk Joe Anderson should be jailed and the 5% poll tax increase is building the BMD stadium, it's a fucking great read.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jamokachi on March 23, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
Have we got a new stadium yet?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 23, 2017, 11:07:53 AM
It's weird to read the shire and then realise they talking about us.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 12:24:15 PM
It would be hilarious if Anderson was referring to the common wealth games being announced today and not the stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: fubarruk on March 23, 2017, 12:45:14 PM
...............The Esk says 5pm so take your pick !!
Part of me is secretly hoping nothing happens today just to show what a know nothing fraud The Esk is, the bellend.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on March 23, 2017, 01:51:01 PM
1pm...

https://twitter.com/joe_strange/status/844818135425310720
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 01:54:56 PM
I'd believe him if his name was Strange Joe
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 01:56:58 PM
Happy Bramley Moore Day to one and all x
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 01:59:23 PM
Merry Christmas
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on March 23, 2017, 02:01:31 PM
https://twitter.com/DomingosDsco/status/844813725093675010
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 02:06:42 PM
Not sure how it compares to the US but the system in the US is horrible for tax payers but amazing for owners of teams. John Oliver breaks it down well in this - funny video and long but worth the watch. Let's be honest - we all have the time


Totally worth watching
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 02:11:30 PM
If I don't see something like this by 5pm I'm gonna go kopite!

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fa/93/5f/fa935f05d6266f5768d374ba185682ef.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 23, 2017, 02:18:15 PM
If I don't see something like this by 5pm I'm gonna go kopite!

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fa/93/5f/fa935f05d6266f5768d374ba185682ef.jpg)

I like your style mate
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Lazarou on March 23, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
I hope this is not a Lukaku type contract signing let down. I pumped and primed to rub the red shite noses in it at work. They have been lording it up for 20 years over me. Have it.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 02:30:31 PM
I hope my boss isnt expecting a lot of work from me today, sorry girl, it's just not gonna happen.

<f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5>
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluebridge on March 23, 2017, 02:31:51 PM
I think we should get our Tesco bags ready for the derby to wave back at them.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 02:32:11 PM
https://twitter.com/DomingosDsco/status/844795015477944320
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 02:33:01 PM
If I don't see something like this by 5pm I'm gonna go kopite!

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fa/93/5f/fa935f05d6266f5768d374ba185682ef.jpg)

Never go full Kopite!!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 23, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
I hope my boss isnt expecting a lot of work from me today, sorry girl, it's just not gonna happen.

<f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5>

Going to be sub-deadline day levels of productivity across the board today.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 02:54:31 PM
Going to be sub-deadline day levels of productivity across the board today.

Today I shall be mostly signed out on 'project work'....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 23, 2017, 02:54:38 PM
Ahhh good morning everyone.

Gonna be a rampant F5 job I think for me today.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 02:56:10 PM
Yessssssss

No data left on my phone. Thought this site was blocked in work, but I thought wrong.

COYB
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 03:11:19 PM
Where do people think best place to get the news asap is?

Here?
Twitter?
Official Club site?
Google news?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 23, 2017, 03:12:12 PM
Where do people think best place to get the news asap is?

Here?
Twitter?
Official Club site?
Google news?
............RAWK
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 23, 2017, 03:13:01 PM
Where do people think best place to get the news asap is?

Here?
Twitter?
Official Club site?
Google news?

The Dagobah system
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ramjam on March 23, 2017, 03:13:34 PM
Where do people think best place to get the news asap is?

Here?
Twitter?
Official Club site?
Google news?

RAWK
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 03:18:03 PM
Where do people think best place to get the news asap is?

Here?
Twitter?
Official Club site?
Google news?

Twitter is probably going to be the first place to tell you where the news is.
But obviously hitting f5 on both the Echo and the clubs OS is going to be the surest way of seeing the actual news first.

We've already lined up a copy and paste version for you incase it's the echo haha
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 03:22:02 PM
Morning lads :)

The sun is shining, hot cuppa tea, lets do this!!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Danny on March 23, 2017, 03:35:26 PM
Wouldn't it be amazing if Lukaku and Barkley announced new deals today as well, it'd be like when he signed full time and about 3 other players signed long term contracts in the space of a few days.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 03:36:20 PM
https://twitter.com/markvanmarle/status/840592034339659777


 lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 23, 2017, 03:36:21 PM
Mental to think that today is one of the biggest days in the clubs history and im just sat in bed in my boxers.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 03:39:24 PM
so do we think plans are going to be announced today as well? Or just that we have purchased the land...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toffee1 on March 23, 2017, 03:45:48 PM
Mental to think that today is one of the biggest days in the clubs history and im just sat in bed in my boxers.

Will probably be how most of our bitter neighbours will be tomorrow as they call in sick and realise that Everton are on the way to bigger and better things.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 23, 2017, 03:47:48 PM
so do we think plans are going to be announced today as well? Or just that we have purchased the land...

confirmation we've bought the land and a generic plan/layout of the site (heavily noted as pending planning permission etc etc) along the lines of:

(http://i.onfinite.com/0SPl8lsyd.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 03:48:36 PM
so do we think plans are going to be announced today as well? Or just that we have purchased the land...
Meiss was appointed last September iirc.
By Jan dont think we had formally agreed which of the 2 sites were going to happen.

Meiss deffo has designs, but whether they are final or not would depend on if he started on 2 sets of design last September
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 03:49:22 PM
i hope its something more detailed. Beggars cant be choosers though i suppose!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 03:52:24 PM
Early leaked images are...       ambitious.

Please remember this is all pending planning permission etc and just an indication at this stage...


(https://wrathofzombie.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/restort-station.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 03:59:02 PM
Apparently the council are making an announcement at 5pm. Nothing expected from Everton.

Details will be vague
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 04:02:10 PM
Apparently the council are making an announcement at 5pm. Nothing expected from Everton.

Details may be vague

Fixed
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on March 23, 2017, 04:02:52 PM
https://twitter.com/markvanmarle/status/840592034339659777


 lolol

A serious attack of goosebumps when I read that .NSNO
I have no homosexual tendencies but ! If Mr Moshiri does what we hope !
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 04:05:16 PM
A serious attack of goosebumps when I read that .NSNO
I have no homosexual tendencies but ! If Mr Moshiri does what we hope !


What exactly are you offering here...?      My no homosexual tendencies are interested in your no homosexual tendencies...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 04:05:59 PM
I'm just gonna be a pest on here all day I think    :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Lazarou on March 23, 2017, 04:07:50 PM
Apparently the council are making an announcement at 5pm. Nothing expected from Everton.

Details will be vague

Excitement levels have just gone to droopy stance. I was hoping to get blown away today. Maybe it could have waited until everything was in place?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 04:10:22 PM
Excitement levels have just gone to droopy stance. I was hoping to get blown away today. Maybe it could have waited until everything was in place?

Yeah, i'm starting to think there may just be a business annoucement from LCC or Peel to say an agreement has been reached.

One cryptic tweet that could be about anything aside, the only thing pointing to this being about a stadium is the Echo telling us it it.
But that could be a case of modern "journalism" just repoprting what people on twitter are saying.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 23, 2017, 04:15:10 PM
Man, 85 pages of this! Has this surpassed the Nzogbia thread yet? 😂😂😂
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
Oh ffs
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 04:22:18 PM
Apparently the council are making an announcement at 5pm. Nothing expected from Everton.

Details will be vague

(http://apocalypstick.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/patrick-bateman-gif.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 23, 2017, 04:25:07 PM
Early leaked images are...       ambitious.

Please remember this is all pending planning permission etc and just an indication at this stage...


(https://wrathofzombie.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/restort-station.jpg)
That looks like Megatrons head.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 04:28:42 PM
Is it 5 oclock yet

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ed/18/ea/ed18ea1e051d8d4b90ba092198030287.gif)

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 23, 2017, 04:31:39 PM
Anderson's a fucking gimp
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 04:33:19 PM
(http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Dewey-Doesnt-Expect-Anything-And-Hes-Still-Let-Down-On-Malcolm-In-The-Middle.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 23, 2017, 04:37:16 PM
But what about the cladding?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 23, 2017, 04:52:58 PM
Apparently the council are making an announcement at 5pm. Nothing expected from Everton.

Details will be vague
This is what I'm reading everywhere too
Was just going to post this
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 04:56:02 PM
This is what I'm reading everywhere too
Was just going to post this

Can't see why the council would be making an announcement.

It would either be Peel or us.

LCC will only enable elements of the deal.

As @Alanvideo (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=466) has said if there was any sort of agreement of council funding it would have had to go to a public meeting (even if the exact details weren't publicly disclosed).
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Tinga on March 23, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
Apparently the council are making an announcement at 5pm. Nothing expected from Everton.

Details will be vague

(http://cdn.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Hodgson-funny-gif.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 23, 2017, 04:58:09 PM
Apparently the council are making an announcement at 5pm. Nothing expected from Everton.

Details will be vague

I've heard it's actually a 1pm
Announcement

New stadium announcement
Lukaku signs new contract
Barkley signs new contract

Rooney deal agreed

The Sun banned

Sport Pesa sponsorship

Corona new main sponsor plus free beer at every game

Some/all of this to be announced today
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 04:59:07 PM
(https://img.gifamerica.com/4f5c4663aa07ba50bc4200e52fdaded2_ill-wait-gif-ill-wait-gif_350-206.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 04:59:51 PM
Why would the council announce anything?

The way the echo are going on I'm expecting a full announcement from the club
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 05:01:24 PM
Can't see why the council would be making an announcement.

It would either be Peel or us.

LCC will only enable elements of the deal.

As @Alanvideo (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=466) has said if there was any sort of agreement of council funding it would have had to go to a public meeting (even if the exact details weren't publicly disclosed).
Unless the announcement is a new stadium will be built on the docks for the upcoming commonwealth games ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 05:01:54 PM
Unless the announcement is a new stadium will be built on the docks for the upcoming commonwealth games ;)

Noooooo Jimmy...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: blue1948 on March 23, 2017, 05:02:02 PM
What exactly are you offering here...?      My no homosexual tendencies are interested in your no homosexual tendencies...

Well if I knew I would tell you but I have no experience
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Lazarou on March 23, 2017, 05:04:38 PM
I can never understand with anything like this and not just Everton why we have to have all the rumour and conjecture. Someone from the club or someone directly involved needs to just clarify the time and by whom and I can then get on with my day until then. Not hard is it?

The powers that be must know it's doing everyone's nut in.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 05:05:36 PM
Strap yourself in - A sensible post on Rawk





I'm really not fussed if LCC lend them the money. In fact, it'd be good for the city because:

It'll help kick start Liverpool Waters
It's not money they could EVER borrow to fund services
LCC will make a profit which they CAN use to run services
The loan with likely by guaranteed by Moshiri et al, so they would have to stump up personally if the Ev can't pay
More visitors to the city
Potential for Commonwealth Games use
Potential for multi-use
Re-use of Goodison, likely as housing in partnership with Riverside or something.


Any fears regarding their capacity being larger than our is pretty childish, in my view. In any event, the Mancs have had a bigger stadium than us since year dot. pretty much and we've spent decades making them look daft.

Good look to em.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 05:07:19 PM
Strap yourself in - A sensible post on Rawk





I'm really not fussed if LCC lend them the money. In fact, it'd be good for the city because:

It'll help kick start Liverpool Waters
It's not money they could EVER borrow to fund services
LCC will make a profit which they CAN use to run services
The loan with likely by guaranteed by Moshiri et al, so they would have to stump up personally if the Ev can't pay
More visitors to the city
Potential for Commonwealth Games use
Potential for multi-use
Re-use of Goodison, likely as housing in partnership with Riverside or something.


Any fears regarding their capacity being larger than our is pretty childish, in my view. In any event, the Mancs have had a bigger stadium than us since year dot. pretty much and we've spent decades making them look daft.

Good look to em.


ugh cunt. fucking hate them not being bothered by us.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 05:07:56 PM
ugh cunt. fucking hate them not being bothered by us.

lolol
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: formerKHL on March 23, 2017, 05:10:31 PM
I can never understand with anything like this and not just Everton why we have to have all the rumour and conjecture. Someone from the club or someone directly involved needs to just clarify the time and by whom and I can then get on with my day until then. Not hard is it?

The powers that be must know it's doing everyone's nut in.

WHAT....are you suggesting EFC come out and make a statement of intent......

Throw him to the floor centurian.....

sits back and waits for the public flogging....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 05:14:00 PM
I'm not really arsed if it's only a minor announcement or which party it comes from as long as it's absolute confirmation that it's happening.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 23, 2017, 05:17:09 PM
If all the speculation is true about LCC making the announcement does it matter?
Whatever the behind the scenes dealing they will have to have been heavily involved to bring it to fruition.
Image and publicity is all important to politicians - if they get it wrong we don't vote for them. This could be a massive photo op for Liverpool that stretches far beyond Merseyside.
In addition why Peel? Doesn't mean a thing to anyone not interested in this redevelopment. If Everton do it it's a big football story for a few hours. I can't actually remember anything from any announcement from another club about a new ground. It's ordinary news today. Joe announces it from LCC and the potential media interest is much wider.
And Jimmy is right about funding - if there is a short term cost to LCC there will be a long term profit that goes towards services. All councils are now looking at ways to make money commercially as money from taxes reduces.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 05:24:29 PM
Throwing my toys out the pram if all we get is an announcement from the council that it's getting done.

We've all known that for six months.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 05:24:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Meisarch/status/844727427863494656


aarrrggghhhh.

COCKTEASE
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 05:31:05 PM
Just been on a little walk down past Bramley Moor, and the pub is quite busy for 11.30 on a Thursday
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 23, 2017, 05:33:21 PM
It being a council announcement as something that can potentially help the city for many years to come makes more sense in the sense of getting joe public on side than a big all singing dancing unveil from Everton with a side note that the council are acting as a facilitator to a loan which people will simply think is the council giving money to Everton now that could be spent fixing potholes.

A slow steady roll out of information getting the facts out clear sounds good to me.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 23, 2017, 05:36:48 PM
"In any event, the Mancs have had a bigger stadium than us since year dot. pretty much and we've spent decades making them look daft."

How exactly have they made them look daft when United have been THE dominant force in English football in the last 25 years winning a fuck load of leagues, FA cups and 2 European cups?

Delusional cunt
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cereal Killer on March 23, 2017, 05:50:35 PM
just hoping any announcement doesn't use the words "athletics" and "re-tractable seating"  shakeyheadman
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dangermouse on March 23, 2017, 05:53:58 PM
http://captiongenerator.com/420632/Hitler-Evertons-New-Stadium
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 06:06:00 PM
http://captiongenerator.com/420632/Hitler-Evertons-New-Stadium

I'm giggling like an absolute tit at my desk in work at that
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 06:08:16 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/23/everton-waterfront-bramley-moore-dock-merseyside-stadium?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dangermouse on March 23, 2017, 06:08:38 PM
I'm giggling like an absolute tit at my desk in work at that

"Dont cry weve still got our big stand with elevators"  :) :) :)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 06:23:47 PM
Two Intersting points :

The detail of the cost is confidential but an announcement will follow later on Thursday.

It is not a foregone conclusion that Everton will end up at Bramley Moore Dock - they are yet to submit a planning application, something that is not expected to happen until the end of 2017 - but they are confident of being able to secure the funding to make the project a reality.

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 06:24:33 PM
oh well thats shit.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 23, 2017, 06:25:30 PM
https://twitter.com/daviddownie17/status/844877829426872320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23844877829426872320
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: phillyt on March 23, 2017, 06:30:30 PM
I get the impression there will be more to come today.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ross on March 23, 2017, 06:35:17 PM
However did they keep this a secret for so long?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 23, 2017, 06:37:12 PM
I believe funding won't be an issue.

The money is ring fenced... :whistle:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on March 23, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
I've got a parents evening til 7pm. I'm going to be so behind the times
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Robioto on March 23, 2017, 06:58:45 PM
Nothing we don't already know, just more coverage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/38971380

(http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=54904.0;attach=7621;image)

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 06:59:23 PM
This is the meeting tonight...

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=1491&MId=15797

Could come under either the 10 streets stuff or the commonwealth games bit.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 07:01:55 PM
Note to add re the meeting. It's only a select committee meeting so it wouldn't be authorised to do anything re funding.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 23, 2017, 07:03:17 PM
(http://img.pandawhale.com/107190-sad-Yoda-gif-Imgur-HwbV.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Robioto on March 23, 2017, 07:03:29 PM
This is the meeting tonight...

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=1491&MId=15797

Could come under either the 10 streets stuff or the commonwealth games bit.

No Joe Anderson on the attendance list?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 07:03:38 PM
This is the meeting tonight...

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=1491&MId=15797

Could come under either the 10 streets stuff or the commonwealth games bit.

Anderson was definitely talking about the commonweath games wasn't he?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 07:05:46 PM
No Joe Anderson on the attendance list?

Guess he'll be on site...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 23, 2017, 07:05:52 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-bramley-moore-stadium-announcement-12780955
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: van der Meyde on March 23, 2017, 07:06:02 PM
As an initial report, especially given funding is still not secured (might we expect more at 5?), it's a little underwhelming.

Frankly though, it's still incredible news.

People on here have been suggesting and hoping for a stadium as part of Liverpool Waters since at least 2010. It was always a non-starter.

Now it's not.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gary1878 on March 23, 2017, 07:19:48 PM
Hopefully we will get a much better idea of how far along they are in the plans.

I would imagine that there is a contract in place to buy the land based on planning permission being granted to build the stadium.

If we have therefore found the site for the stadium, then surely 18 months planning will suffice, so build start date of September 2018? In the stadium for start of 2019/20 season? (Dreaming here, but still has realistic assumptions!)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 07:21:25 PM
Hopefully we will get a much better idea of how far along they are in the plans.

I would imagine that there is a contract in place to buy the land based on planning permission being granted to build the stadium.

If we have therefore found the site for the stadium, then surely 18 months planning will suffice, so build start date of September 2018? In the stadium for start of 2019/20 season? (Dreaming here, but still has realistic assumptions!)


add a year or 2 on i'd say. No way will it sail through planning. I'd be astonished if this wasn't called in for a number of reasons.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gary1878 on March 23, 2017, 07:25:12 PM
add a year or 2 on i'd say. No way will it sail through planning. I'd be astonished if this wasn't called in for a number of reasons.


Yeah perhaps. It does depend on how much help we get from the council though i suppose. If they want to push this through, then i don't see why 18 months isn't possible. However with most of these things, i guess we can expect delays.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 07:28:19 PM
Yeah perhaps. It does depend on how much help we get from the council though i suppose. If they want to push this through, then i don't see why 18 months isn't possible. However with most of these things, i guess we can expect delays.

oh, they will definitely want to push it through.

But there are a number of bodies that will protest this and try to put a halt to it. (because there aways is).
If they are loud enough then it will be called in by central government and they can take ages to review something.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 23, 2017, 07:42:45 PM
So we waiting for something to happen but nothing is probably going to happen. Am I reading this right?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 07:43:57 PM
So we waiting for something to happen but nothing is probably going to happen. Am I reading this right?
I think a lot thought that there would be more info than what we have found out so far, so yes
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 07:59:21 PM
Loads of shitty little fansites and podcasts have built this up to something it isnt to generate more hits.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Tinga on March 23, 2017, 08:00:59 PM
Loads of shitty little fansites and podcasts have built this up to something it isnt to generate more hits.

I thought NSNO was a bit more than that?.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on March 23, 2017, 08:05:24 PM
"BBC Merseyside understands..."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39356244
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 08:05:48 PM
I thought NSNO was a bit more than that?.

NSNO will rightly distance themselves from my comments.

It's true though. Just look at twitter, load of biffs still saying 'We expect more to be announced, oh tune into our special podcast at 5pm btw'
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheTone on March 23, 2017, 08:07:34 PM
is it built yet lids?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: pdentith on March 23, 2017, 08:12:07 PM
This is the meeting tonight...

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=1491&MId=15797

Could come under either the 10 streets stuff or the commonwealth games bit.

No it's not. That is a meeting from the 28th Feb. It's 23 March today. Looking at all the Committee meetings I can't see any scheduled for today. There is a planning meeting next week though.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Makis on March 23, 2017, 08:18:06 PM
is it built yet lids?
Yeah, looks fabolous. Go check it out yourself today!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toddacelli on March 23, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
(http://rs1322.pbsrc.com/albums/u572/SpamMe06/headbang_zps2ac29901.gif~c200)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bally on March 23, 2017, 08:27:23 PM
I've got a parents evening til 7pm. I'm going to be so behind the times
I'm attending one from half 4 hahahah
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 08:40:00 PM
I'm attending one from half 4 hahahah

I cancelled and re arranged my lads parents evening so his mum could take him instead, always thinking you see
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Rhys on March 23, 2017, 08:43:18 PM
Loads of shitty little fansites and podcasts have built this up to something it isnt to generate more hits.

It's also because of how social media is now it is so easy for things to spread quickly and expectations get bigger and bigger. Plus you will get people or sites on twitter wanting to make it seem like they have info they might not so are happy to big things up and each time someone makes a tweet about it being a huge announcement peoples expectations rise further. As a result peoples expectations have grown from there will be some kind of announcement to people expecting the club to come out with plans and announce moving in dates by 5pm today.

If this was a decade ago we wouldnt have had the mayor of liverpool talking about it on twitter, we wouldnt have had any access to the architect involved and noise about it would have been kept to a minimum. There would have been rumblings and rumours but ultimately it would have been an announcement made that we've agreed a deal to purchase land and details to follow.

A deal for the land is the first part of the process, and it's a really good step because realistically they wouldnt have got to the point where the land purchase is agreed and announced unless they knew the next steps including funding to build it weren't going to be an issue. It's not like Kirkby where there was fan opposition let alone obstacles from locals, or the Kings Dock where we had no idea if we could get the money together, or WHP where there was no chance the council were going to fund it for us.

This is good news, and if this is the only news about it today, social media hyped rumours shouldnt make people disappointed about what is the first step to what is finally going to happen this time.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 08:49:04 PM
No it's not. That is a meeting from the 28th Feb. It's 23 March today. Looking at all the Committee meetings I can't see any scheduled for today. There is a planning meeting next week though.

Ha not sure why I thought clicking on the calendar would bring up today's date...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 08:55:25 PM
Liverpool Waters tweet:

The perfect day to hit 4000 followers! Keep your eyes peeled for some exciting news coming soon...! #LiverpoolWaters #Liverpool
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 08:56:17 PM
It's also because of how social media is now it is so easy for things to spread quickly and expectations get bigger and bigger. Plus you will get people or sites on twitter wanting to make it seem like they have info they might not so are happy to big things up and each time someone makes a tweet about it being a huge announcement peoples expectations rise further. As a result peoples expectations have grown from there will be some kind of announcement to people expecting the club to come out with plans and announce moving in dates by 5pm today.

If this was a decade ago we wouldnt have had the mayor of liverpool talking about it on twitter, we wouldnt have had any access to the architect involved and noise about it would have been kept to a minimum. There would have been rumblings and rumours but ultimately it would have been an announcement made that we've agreed a deal to purchase land and details to follow.

A deal for the land is the first part of the process, and it's a really good step because realistically they wouldnt have got to the point where the land purchase is agreed and announced unless they knew the next steps including funding to build it weren't going to be an issue. It's not like Kirkby where there was fan opposition let alone obstacles from locals, or the Kings Dock where we had no idea if we could get the money together, or WHP where there was no chance the council were going to fund it for us.

This is good news, and if this is the only news about it today, social media hyped rumours shouldnt make people disappointed about what is the first step to what is finally going to happen this time.

Especially as @van der Meyde (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=12) says the prospect of it being in Liverpool Waters was always seen as a pipe dream as Peel didn't want a ground there.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 09:05:23 PM
Especially as @van der Meyde (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=12) says the prospect of it being in Liverpool Waters was always seen as a pipe dream as Peel didn't want a ground there.

He was right.
Ashworth is on record as saying specificsally he didn't want a stadium there.

Then the financial world turned to shit, HS2 said it wasn't gonna come closer than Crewe and preservationists destroyed Liverpool waters to the point Peel will accept anything 'big' getting built there.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
He was right.
Ashworth is on record as saying specificsally he didn't want a stadium there.

Then the financial world turned to shit, HS2 said it wasn't gonna come closer than Crewe and preservationists destroyed Liverpool waters to the point Peel will accept anything 'big' getting built there.

Plus we can afford something that won't look shite ;)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 09:08:42 PM
Plus we can afford something that won't look shite ;)

Plus we aren't asking for the land for free
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on March 23, 2017, 09:24:30 PM
I cancelled and re arranged my lads parents evening so his mum could take him instead, always thinking you see

Yeah, I can't do that.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 09:29:14 PM
Yeah, I can't do that.
My nan used to tell me there's no such word as can't.

Confused the shit out of me cause i was pretty certain there was - i'd just used it after all.
Then, when i had kids i realised she was going all yoda on me.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 23, 2017, 09:56:56 PM
Who is PEEL and why do  they have so much say?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Mick 1995 on March 23, 2017, 10:00:23 PM
Who is PEEL and why do  they have so much say?

They own mucho land.
Liverpool Airport, Trafford Centre and pretty much all docklands in merseyside.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 10:03:30 PM
They own mucho land.
Liverpool Airport, Trafford Centre and pretty much all docklands in merseyside.

Think they sold the TC.

They own the ship canal and the port at Salford too.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Fynci on March 23, 2017, 10:18:56 PM
This is exciting. Has there been anything about the proposed capacity, or are we not into that level of detail yet?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Confucius on March 23, 2017, 10:19:36 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/23/everton-waterfront-bramley-moore-dock-merseyside-stadium

This is all I know
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 10:23:26 PM
36 minutes....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Alanvideo on March 23, 2017, 10:24:24 PM
Who is PEEL and why do  they have so much say?
.............http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-biggest-company-youve-never-heard-of-lifting-the-lid-on-peel-group-the-property-firm-owned-by-8890201.html
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 23, 2017, 10:26:21 PM
Looks like we will still be waiting for the funding of the stadium and planning permission

A step in the right direction though

Looking forward to seeing some pics of what it might look like
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: chang on March 23, 2017, 10:28:14 PM
Quote
Everton Bramley Moore stadium announcement LIVE - Deal agreed with Peel with full details to come at 5pm

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-bramley-moore-stadium-announcement-12780955
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 10:29:39 PM
Looks like we will still be waiting for the funding of the stadium and planning permission

A step in the right direction though

Looking forward to seeing some pics of what it might look like

Think the funding issue will be done already or at least all lined up pending planning permission.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on March 23, 2017, 10:31:09 PM
got to go out , wont be back in till after 6pm , hope its all worth the wait and I miss loads , should be over 100 pages by the time I get back
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 23, 2017, 10:51:00 PM
Listening to Radio City now supposed announcement at 5.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 23, 2017, 10:57:34 PM
Sky reporting breaking news from Everton too.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 10:58:08 PM
Start the clock....................
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 10:59:40 PM
feel sick
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 23, 2017, 11:03:46 PM
oh...

Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toffee1 on March 23, 2017, 11:04:13 PM
Everton and Liverpool City Council are set to agree the principles of an innovative finance model that will support the Club’s ambition to build an iconic waterfront stadium at Bramley Moore Dock.
Earlier this week, Everton and Peel agreed Heads of Terms to acquire a site at Bramley Moore Dock - which forms part of a £5bn Liverpool Waters scheme - from Peel Holdings, subject to planning consent. The announcement follows detailed negotiations between Peel and Everton Football Club, brokered by the Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson.
A report will be presented to the council’s cabinet next Friday (31 March) recommending that the City Council progress Heads of Terms to create a new Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) company which will take a lease of the stadium from a funder and, in turn, sub-lease it to the Club.
The recommendation being presented to the council’s cabinet follows months of talks between the Club and the local authority and following advice from independent financial and legal experts who have reviewed Everton’s “robust business case”.
Under the proposed finance structure of the SPV the council will not provide any finance for the new stadium, which is anticipated to cost in excess of £300m and will be fully funded by the Club.
Robert Elstone, Everton’s Chief Executive, said: “Over the past year, the Club has worked with the support of the Council and we are grateful for the ‘can-do’ approach that has got us to this important milestone. We are particularly grateful for the role the Mayor has played to date in our talks with Peel and for his support in this important step in the journey towards reaching a funding solution for the stadium.
“We are delighted that we have been able to agree Heads of Terms with Peel, giving us control of the Bramley Moore Dock site and allowing us the time we need to complete the substantial further work required to be able to confirm the project’s viability.
“We can now move forward into the next phase of work with much greater confidence. Clearly, it is vital we have clarity on cost and we have to recognise that the stadium will be significantly more expensive at Bramley Moore Dock. To get that certainty, and ensure the stadium is affordable, we need to confirm stadium design, capacity and configuration. And to do that, we need to talk to fans, partners and all stakeholders in the project. We’re committing to that consultation. We’re also committed to keep fans fully informed as the project develops and as other milestones are reached.
“We’re keen to stress not only the scale of the work ahead but also the remaining risks and uncertainties. We’re delighted we’ve secured the site and we’re equally delighted the Mayor is continuing to support our financing model, but significant hurdles remain, not least the preparation and submission of a detailed planning application. Receipt of a successful planning approval at some point early next year will be the most significant step towards bringing the stadium to life.”
The council will benefit from an annual security fee payable by the Club in return for the council’s participation. The support provided to the Club will not impact the future borrowing needs and involves no financial outlay for the council.
The proposed stadium will be a catalyst for economic regeneration and job creation in north Liverpool and would complement the council’s proposed £100m regeneration drive in the surrounding area, which includes a new Cruise Liner terminal and the recently launched masterplan for the Ten Streets area.
Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, said: “I’m delighted that we have got to a stage where the city and Everton can publicly share the vision for the Club’s potential new home at Bramley Moore Dock.
“I understand that creating this financial arrangement is a small step in a long journey for the Club, but it is the first step and for that reason it is a special moment in the city’s - and Everton’s - long illustrious history. If things progress as we all hope, it marks the beginnings of a new and exciting chapter.
“The proposed new stadium will be a landmark for the city’s spectacular north Liverpool waterfront and a powerful statement of intent for the Club and the city of Liverpool that will resonate globally.
“From the city’s perspective, the stadium would complement and accelerate the regeneration plans already in place for north Liverpool, much like the way our partnership with Liverpool FC in the Anfield Project did for their stadium expansion which has benefitted the wider Anfield community.”
Today’s announcement follows on from Peel’s declaration at the MIPIM Property Conference last week of other deals totalling £300m of investment in the Liverpool Waters scheme.
Lindsey Ashworth, Director of Development at Liverpool Waters, said: “We are delighted to have agreed Heads of Terms with Everton Football Club regarding the development of a state-of-the-art football stadium at Bramley Moore Dock.
“It’s been an exciting and progressive couple of weeks for Peel, first unveiling our vision for the new Central Docks neighbourhood at Liverpool Waters and now reaching an initial agreement with Everton for a new waterfront stadium.
“It’s important to remember that this is the start of a long process and we will be working very closely with Everton, Liverpool City Council and Historic England to better understand the site and develop the proposals. As the current owners, we have a level of knowledge and experience of the site which we believe will help Everton deliver not just a new stadium but a stunning addition to Liverpool’s northern waterfront.”
Subject to approval being granted by cabinet, the council will finalise the detailed Heads of Terms over the next three months which will then allow the Club to progress with the preparation of a planning application.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Cozzie on March 23, 2017, 11:04:44 PM
Yay. All over the place now.

Get in.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 11:05:27 PM
No council funding
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 23, 2017, 11:08:56 PM
Yay!

Hopefully everton don't make the same mistake that they did with the cladding

We've got loads of experts on architecture here, use our knowledge Everton!

We could probably get the whole thing built and ready for the start of the 17/18 season!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 11:09:04 PM
Splendid
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Brownie20 on March 23, 2017, 11:09:21 PM
No council funding

Must make the Kopites sick that. One less thing they can moan about.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 11:09:49 PM
Must make the Kopites sick that. One less thing they can moan about.

Beat me to it
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluebridge on March 23, 2017, 11:09:51 PM
Working till 8pm, can somebody put it in a nutshell whats happened / happening?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 11:10:58 PM
Fancy that eh, little old Everton funding a new stadium all by themselves, cheeky bastards
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 11:14:25 PM
"As the current owners, we have a level of knowledge and experience of the site which we believe will help Everton deliver not just a new stadium but a stunning addition to Liverpool's northern waterfront"
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Gary1878 on March 23, 2017, 11:14:46 PM
A report will be presented to the council’s cabinet next Friday (31 March) recommending that the City Council progress Heads of Terms to create a new Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) company which will take a lease of the stadium from a funder and, in turn, sub-lease it to the Club.

The recommendation being presented to the council’s cabinet follows months of talks between the Club and the local authority and following advice from independent financial and legal experts who have reviewed Everton’s “robust business case”.

Under the proposed finance structure of the SPV the council will not provide any finance for the new stadium, which is anticipated to cost in excess of £300m and will be fully funded by the Club.



This all sounds like Moshiri and pals are funding this in a SPV, with the club leasing it back from the vehicle, giving them a nice yield/income per annum. Very clever. Avoids expensive banks and the council, and allows Everton to have the home that we all want!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 23, 2017, 11:18:11 PM
How many Kopites with an axe to grind are we gonna run into during the planning permission stage, though? 🤔
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 23, 2017, 11:18:13 PM
 Sorry for my ignorance but does this mean we won't own it, merely lease it?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 11:18:57 PM
Full details here...

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=1201&MId=15591&Ver=4
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: rbbrslmn on March 23, 2017, 11:22:26 PM
How many Kopites with an axe to grind are we gonna run into during the planning permission stage, though? 🤔

none, Peel tend to get exactly what Peel want
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Big Nev on March 23, 2017, 11:23:42 PM
Interview here;

http://bit.ly/2mwJQlV.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dazfrancis on March 23, 2017, 11:25:27 PM
Everton and Liverpool City Council are set to agree the principles of an innovative finance model that will support the Club's ambition to build an iconic waterfront stadium at Bramley Moore Dock.
Earlier this week, Everton and Peel agreed Heads of Terms to acquire a site at Bramley Moore Dock - which forms part of a £5bn Liverpool Waters scheme - from Peel Holdings, subject to planning consent. The announcement follows detailed negotiations between Peel and Everton Football Club, brokered by the Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson.
A report will be presented to the council's cabinet next Friday (31 March) recommending that the City Council progress Heads of Terms to create a new Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) company which will take a lease of the stadium from a funder and, in turn, sub-lease it to the Club.
The recommendation being presented to the council's cabinet follows months of talks between the Club and the local authority and following advice from independent financial and legal experts who have reviewed Everton's "robust business case"�.
Under the proposed finance structure of the SPV the council will not provide any finance for the new stadium, which is anticipated to cost in excess of £300m and will be fully funded by the Club.
Robert Elstone, Everton's Chief Executive, said: "Over the past year, the Club has worked with the support of the Council and we are grateful for the "can-do' approach that has got us to this important milestone. We are particularly grateful for the role the Mayor has played to date in our talks with Peel and for his support in this important step in the journey towards reaching a funding solution for the stadium.
"We are delighted that we have been able to agree Heads of Terms with Peel, giving us control of the Bramley Moore Dock site and allowing us the time we need to complete the substantial further work required to be able to confirm the project's viability.
"We can now move forward into the next phase of work with much greater confidence. Clearly, it is vital we have clarity on cost and we have to recognise that the stadium will be significantly more expensive at Bramley Moore Dock. To get that certainty, and ensure the stadium is affordable, we need to confirm stadium design, capacity and configuration. And to do that, we need to talk to fans, partners and all stakeholders in the project. We're committing to that consultation. We're also committed to keep fans fully informed as the project develops and as other milestones are reached.
"We're keen to stress not only the scale of the work ahead but also the remaining risks and uncertainties. We're delighted we've secured the site and we're equally delighted the Mayor is continuing to support our financing model, but significant hurdles remain, not least the preparation and submission of a detailed planning application. Receipt of a successful planning approval at some point early next year will be the most significant step towards bringing the stadium to life."�
The council will benefit from an annual security fee payable by the Club in return for the council's participation. The support provided to the Club will not impact the future borrowing needs and involves no financial outlay for the council.
The proposed stadium will be a catalyst for economic regeneration and job creation in north Liverpool and would complement the council's proposed £100m regeneration drive in the surrounding area, which includes a new Cruise Liner terminal and the recently launched masterplan for the Ten Streets area.
Mayor of Liverpool, Joe Anderson, said: "I'm delighted that we have got to a stage where the city and Everton can publicly share the vision for the Club's potential new home at Bramley Moore Dock.
"I understand that creating this financial arrangement is a small step in a long journey for the Club, but it is the first step and for that reason it is a special moment in the city's - and Everton's - long illustrious history. If things progress as we all hope, it marks the beginnings of a new and exciting chapter.
"The proposed new stadium will be a landmark for the city's spectacular north Liverpool waterfront and a powerful statement of intent for the Club and the city of Liverpool that will resonate globally.
"From the city's perspective, the stadium would complement and accelerate the regeneration plans already in place for north Liverpool, much like the way our partnership with Liverpool FC in the Anfield Project did for their stadium expansion which has benefitted the wider Anfield community."�
Today's announcement follows on from Peel's declaration at the MIPIM Property Conference last week of other deals totalling £300m of investment in the Liverpool Waters scheme.
Lindsey Ashworth, Director of Development at Liverpool Waters, said: "We are delighted to have agreed Heads of Terms with Everton Football Club regarding the development of a state-of-the-art football stadium at Bramley Moore Dock.
"It's been an exciting and progressive couple of weeks for Peel, first unveiling our vision for the new Central Docks neighbourhood at Liverpool Waters and now reaching an initial agreement with Everton for a new waterfront stadium.
"It's important to remember that this is the start of a long process and we will be working very closely with Everton, Liverpool City Council and Historic England to better understand the site and develop the proposals. As the current owners, we have a level of knowledge and experience of the site which we believe will help Everton deliver not just a new stadium but a stunning addition to Liverpool's northern waterfront."�
Subject to approval being granted by cabinet, the council will finalise the detailed Heads of Terms over the next three months which will then allow the Club to progress with the preparation of a planning application.
BUMP^^^

Good read this, going to share it with a few (Kopite) friends
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: GLewis on March 23, 2017, 11:26:48 PM
Looks like its envisaged that we'd be in there for 20/21.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on March 23, 2017, 11:27:40 PM
none, Peel tend to get exactly what Peel want

Seems it doesn't matter where they are. Developers are all the same. They get what they want.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ball8y on March 23, 2017, 11:33:11 PM
big stand will send season tickets to the planning team at the council.....
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 11:36:37 PM
So we now own the land then?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 11:38:48 PM
I'm so confused by all of this if someone could spell it out in really simple terms that would be boss

Liverpool fans are loving this and Everton fans too... It's killing my brain
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: TheRam on March 23, 2017, 11:40:59 PM
I'm so confused by all of this if someone could spell it out in really simple terms that would be boss

Liverpool fans are loving this and Everton fans too... It's killing my brain

Bought the land and the money for the stadium is ringfenced so should all go swimmingly
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 23, 2017, 11:41:20 PM
I'm so confused by all of this if someone could spell it out in really simple terms that would be boss

Liverpool fans are loving this and Everton fans too... It's killing my brain

What he said, I've got no idea what this all means, bullet points are needed
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on March 23, 2017, 11:42:02 PM
I'm so confused by all of this if someone could spell it out in really simple terms that would be boss

Liverpool fans are loving this and Everton fans too... It's killing my brain

We own Bramley moore dock lands. Bought it from PEEL holdings.

We have a plan in place with the city and PEEL to build a stadium on that land.

That's the gist of what I got.

The leasing part is a bit confusing...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Toffee1 on March 23, 2017, 11:42:35 PM
Might help.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/new-everton-stadium-money-from-12788250
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 11:43:50 PM
I'm so confused by all of this if someone could spell it out in really simple terms that would be boss

Liverpool fans are loving this and Everton fans too... It's killing my brain

We've agreed a fee to buy the land, the structure of the funding for building the stadium is in place. The next stage is designs and apparently consultations with the fans, and then we'll put in a planning application early next year.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Robioto on March 23, 2017, 11:45:50 PM
Might help.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/new-everton-stadium-money-from-12788250

This is the article to read.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ari on March 23, 2017, 11:45:56 PM
Is this a step further than any other "new ground for Everton" before? 
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on March 23, 2017, 11:45:59 PM
We've agreed a fee to buy the land, the structure of the funding for building the stadium is in place. The next stage is designs and apparently consultations with the fans, and then we'll put in a planning application early next year.

Is a "planning application" what you guys call a building permit?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 23, 2017, 11:47:48 PM
What he said, I've got no idea what this all means, bullet points are needed

If it's bullet-points you want, @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) is who you need...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Bluedylan on March 23, 2017, 11:48:40 PM
If it's bullet-points you want, @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) is who you need...

Let's swerve the footnotes though.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Robioto on March 23, 2017, 11:49:04 PM
What he said, I've got no idea what this all means, bullet points are needed

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/new-everton-stadium-money-from-12788250
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 23, 2017, 11:50:52 PM
No chance they could have done an artists impression of a potential stadium like?!

Just a little something to wet my beak!
Title: [News]Everton announce potential Bramley Moore Dock stadium – at last
Post by: Everton News on March 23, 2017, 11:51:34 PM
Everton announce potential Bramley Moore Dock stadium – at last

Everton and Liverpool City Council have announced an intention to build a new home for the Blues at Bramley Moore Dock on the Liverpool waterfront after 125 years at Goodison Park.

Source: Everton announce potential Bramley Moore Dock stadium – at last (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/03/everton-announce-potential-bramley-moore-dock-stadium-last/)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 23, 2017, 11:52:29 PM
I'm so confused by all of this if someone could spell it out in really simple terms that would be boss

Liverpool fans are loving this and Everton fans too... It's killing my brain
Jimmy - we're moving home.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 23, 2017, 11:57:23 PM
I'm sure that all LFC supporters can now understand that there is no cost to the City and they can finally have closure and move on. In addition it opens up a new revenue stream for Anfield where the height of the new stand makes for an ideal viewing platform on the top where rows of those coin in the slot telescopes can be installed with the little metal steps in front enabling visitors to get a clear view of a football ground.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 23, 2017, 11:58:36 PM
Let's swerve the footnotes though.

I'm not sure he can 😁

Love you, @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360)  :hug:
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bramley moore 1878 on March 23, 2017, 11:59:13 PM
In bullet points

- We've agreed to buy the land and peel have given it over to Everton.  We will pay for it and it will become ours legally upon completion of the stadium.

- The council and Everton have jointly agreed to enter into an SPV (a company created for a single purpose).  This company will go to the market to raise the £300 million with the council as the "guarantor" for the loan.

- The loan money will build our nice new stadium.

- The SPV will own the stadium but Everton will receive all revenues from running it.

- Everton will pay interest to the SPV to service the loan and also give a payment to the council for being guarantor.  This will be £14 million a year in total.

- At the end of the term (is it 30 years?) the loan will be paid off and the SPV will be dissolved. 

- Full ownership of the stadium will pass to Everton.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 23, 2017, 11:59:27 PM
The Mayor said: “Liverpool Council will have first take on season tickets, on the players themselves, on the naming rights, on the ownership of the stadium and of the television rights"

This doesn't sound that great or is it just me, appears, despite getting a billionaire owner were still not funding it ourselves and won't get all of the benefits?
Don't get me wrong I'm made up but I want my cake to have the cherry I  the top, or has it and I'm missing something?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 24, 2017, 12:00:01 AM
I'm sure that all LFC supporters can now understand that there is no cost to the City and they can finally have closure and move on. In addition it opens up a new revenue stream for Anfield where the height of the new stand makes for an ideal viewing platform on the top where rows of those coin in the slot telescopes can be installed with the little metal steps in front enabling visitors to get a clear view of a football ground.

Have 10,000 likes
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: sam of the south on March 24, 2017, 12:01:17 AM
I'm sure that all LFC supporters can now understand that there is no cost to the City and they can finally have closure and move on. In addition it opens up a new revenue stream for Anfield where the height of the new stand makes for an ideal viewing platform on the top where rows of those coin in the slot telescopes can be installed with the little metal steps in front enabling visitors to get a clear view of a football ground.

Not enough like buttons for this post.

Only the addition of the word 'real' before 'football ground' could make it even more Oscar Wilde-esque
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Robioto on March 24, 2017, 12:02:09 AM
The Mayor said: “Liverpool Council will have first take on season tickets, on the players themselves, on the naming rights, on the ownership of the stadium and of the television rights"

This doesn't sound that great or is it just me, appears, despite getting a billionaire owner were still not funding it ourselves and won't get all of the benefits?
Don't get me wrong I'm made up but I want my cake to have the cherry I  the top, or has it and I'm missing something?

That's only if we can't afford the annual repayments which are around £4m-£4.5m.

For example, if we were to get relegated and couldn't afford the annual fee then they have access to our other revenue streams to pay it off. It's security for the lender.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Ari on March 24, 2017, 12:02:25 AM
No chance they could have done an artists impression of a potential stadium like?!

Just a little something to wet my beak!

I'll never forget the artists impression of a potential stadium for Kings Dock.  Don't know who did it then but I am really glad it wasn't done now.  I'm still sceptic about it but this is just me. 

Is it safe to enjoy and celebrate?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 24, 2017, 12:02:59 AM
That's only if we can't afford the annual repayments which are around £4m-£4.5m.

For example, if we were to get relegated and couldn't afford the annual fee then they have access to our other revenue streams to pay it off. It's security for the lender.

relegation parachute payments would look after that

the "problem" comes if we have two or three seasons of finishing 16th
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bluenuck on March 24, 2017, 12:05:46 AM
Would love to see them bring the cross bridging from the Bullens end and bring it into the new stadium some how.

The new York Yankees did this with their facade "arches" when they built their new stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 24, 2017, 12:10:47 AM
This is the article to read.
Tell you what if I've read this right Anderson has played an absolute blinder here.
He gets his club a new home and through this spv generates an added £4.4 mill into the council coffers. Is that about right?
That added money could kick start some much needed regeneration and repair around the city!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 24, 2017, 12:11:21 AM
We dared to dream... now we've woken it's no longer a dream... pinch me someone!!
I would like the stadium to be more 'industrial' on the outside in looks than a shiney spaceship.. like that Lucas Oil one someone posted. Could you imagine how intimidating that would be for opponents, but modern inside? Gladitorial stylee!!  Keep the historical aspects of the front... The 4th Grace Stadium sounds nice
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dangermouse on March 24, 2017, 12:11:30 AM
:)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Corinthian on March 24, 2017, 12:13:59 AM
Tell you what if I've read this right Anderson has played an absolute blinder here.
He gets his club a new home and through this spv generates an added £4.4 mill into the council coffers. Is that about right?
That added money could kick start some much needed regeneration and repair around the city!
I'm no expert at all but that's the way I see it too
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Trowel on March 24, 2017, 12:14:03 AM
Tell you what if I've read this right Anderson has played an absolute blinder here.
He gets his club a new home and through this spv generates an added £4.4 mill into the council coffers. Is that about right?
That added money could kick start some much needed regeneration and repair around the city!
Yep - it's fantastic news for the city of Liverpool, regardless of the colour of your shirt.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 24, 2017, 12:15:06 AM
Yep - it's fantastic news for the city of Liverpool, regardless of the colour of your shirt.

The redshite will still moan, it's what they do
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dazfrancis on March 24, 2017, 12:19:10 AM
I like Moshiri's ambition going for the prime, soon-to-be-iconic option.

NSNO
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Goaljira on March 24, 2017, 12:19:33 AM
£4.4m a year for 40 years sounds a lot, but in 40 years time it'll  probably seem like peanuts.

Moshiri gets returns on investment for his mates via the SPV
Joe gets yards yearly income for the local council
We get a new ground at a manageable annual cost

And the fact that anyone against it will be called out actually against the council being £4.4m a year better off, making it pretty much impossible for anyone to complain.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: bramley moore 1878 on March 24, 2017, 12:22:36 AM
The Mayor said: “Liverpool Council will have first take on season tickets, on the players themselves, on the naming rights, on the ownership of the stadium and of the television rights"

This doesn't sound that great or is it just me, appears, despite getting a billionaire owner were still not funding it ourselves and won't get all of the benefits?
Don't get me wrong I'm made up but I want my cake to have the cherry I  the top, or has it and I'm missing something?

What he's saying is that the loan debt of the SPV gets serviced FIRST from these assets, and that will be written into the terms, this just means that the rish is lowered for the city which is fair enough.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Danny on March 24, 2017, 12:22:42 AM
Moshiri also puts the value of the club up by a ton if he ever wanted to sell, the big stumbling block for us getting investment for years was the stadium.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Robioto on March 24, 2017, 12:23:14 AM
I don't really get how this will work, is it normal to be paying back £4.4m for 40 years when we actually won't own it in that period? What are Spurs and Chelsea doing?

If we then have to fund £300m on top of that to actually build it, which I assume will be through sponsorship/naming rights and more borrowing, won't our annual repayments be really high? Isn't that risky? Will the increased revenue though extra capacity, probable higher ticket prices and corporate boxes be enough to cover this quite large annual outgoing?

Or am I misunderstanding how it will work? (I probably am)
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Waltzer on March 24, 2017, 12:27:21 AM
I don't really get how this will work, is it normal to be paying back £4.4m for 40 years when we actually won't own it in that period? What are Spurs and Chelsea doing?

If we then have to fund £300m on top of that to actually build it, which I assume will be through sponsorship/naming rights and more borrowing, won't our annual repayments be really high? Isn't that risky? Will the increased revenue though extra capacity, probable higher ticket prices and corporate boxes be enough to cover this quite large annual outgoing?

Or am I misunderstanding how it will work? (I probably am)
This is where I'm coming from, it sounds great from the council point of view, but comes across like were tenants, a bit like west ham rather than owning it like spurs?
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: farnhamtoffee on March 24, 2017, 12:28:56 AM
Ive been to a funeral today,so have missed the announcement,can someone please let me know what happened,
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 24, 2017, 12:30:07 AM
Ive been to a funeral today,so have missed the announcement,can someone please let me know what happened,

the Leicester game is being played at Bramley Moore Docks mate

it was built this afternoon

gutted though, it's a bowl
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: BlueBeagle on March 24, 2017, 12:33:08 AM
"Why weren't Liverpool offered the docks????"

Same reason we weren't when we looked at Kings Dock, Kirkby, WHP and Crocky you fucking plebs... It wasn't even am option at the time. 
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Simon Paul on March 24, 2017, 12:34:13 AM
"Why weren't Liverpool offered the docks????"

Same reason we weren't when we looked at Kings Dock, Kirkby, WHP and Crocky you fucking plebs... It wasn't even am option at the time. 

Liverpool rejected the docks
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: arteta4spain on March 24, 2017, 12:38:06 AM
This is where I'm coming from, it sounds great from the council point of view, but comes across like were tenants, a bit like west ham rather than owning it like spurs?
Basically we're getting loan with help, not financially, with help from the council. Due to this the city will recieve £4.4 mill a year while we repay it.  We won't own the stadium or the land until we pay the loan off. Then in 40 years we'll officially own the stadium. But who knows, we might get bought out further down the line and pay it off before then.
Let's just watch this space! 😂😂😂
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dazfrancis on March 24, 2017, 12:42:47 AM
Am I right in assuming we'll pay £176m to the council on top of repaying the money owed to the lenders?

That's like 12 Oumar Niasse's
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: cantoffee on March 24, 2017, 12:43:06 AM
I don't really get how this will work, is it normal to be paying back £4.4m for 40 years when we actually won't own it in that period? What are Spurs and Chelsea doing?

If we then have to fund £300m on top of that to actually build it, which I assume will be through sponsorship/naming rights and more borrowing, won't our annual repayments be really high? Isn't that risky? Will the increased revenue though extra capacity, probable higher ticket prices and corporate boxes be enough to cover this quite large annual outgoing?

Or am I misunderstanding how it will work? (I probably am)
The SPV will get a return of 4.4 million a year. That's on top of what will be paid to the financiers.

It's basically a really large scale construction mortgage with a 3rd party guarantor who gains a small payout every year along with our regular payments to whoever finances the build.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 24, 2017, 12:44:57 AM
I was a bit worried about how this would work financially at first

And then remembered that I've probably never got to the day before payday with more than £50 left in my account and that our Owner has a Net Worth of 2.6 Billion

I'll let him sort this one out!
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: cantoffee on March 24, 2017, 12:45:40 AM
After 40 years we have the option to purchase. Probably a nominal fee but as said above things can change over time and we might either pay it off earlier or even extend our lending over a longer period of time depending on what happens with the club. I should also say that we could easily extend this lending further without it being a negative as we could be using the asset to borrow at a lower rate or other such things.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: ally2 on March 24, 2017, 12:50:35 AM
I have to say I'm underwhelmed. We have a pre contract so that at some point we can buy some land. Then we have to get all planning processes accepted. It would seem that the council could still easily undo what has happened in a year or two's time. Theoretically they could even influence stadium design (or be within their rights to). From where I hoped we would be today, it's positive but it's still all a hell of a long way off.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on March 24, 2017, 12:53:29 AM
People are over complicating this.

We will essentially be homeowners in the same way that anyone with a mortgage is a home owner.
After the term the loan is paid off and we own everything outright.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: dangermouse on March 24, 2017, 12:55:30 AM
The SPV will get a return of 4.4 million a year. That's on top of what will be paid to the financiers.

It's basically a really large scale construction mortgage with a 3rd party guarantor who gains a small payout every year along with our regular payments to whoever finances the build.

So based on an interest free loan of 300m over 40 years..

We would pay 7.5m to finance loan and 4.4m to council... isn't that equivalent to something like 60% apr?

That's not even accounting for interest in loan...

Hmmmmm. Not 100% on numbers just off the top of my head...
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: cantoffee on March 24, 2017, 12:56:19 AM
People are over complicating this.

We will essentially be homeowners in the same way that anyone with a mortgage is a home owner.
After the term the loan is paid off and we own everything outright.
Yes, I don't think there is a need to get bogged down in the details.
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Macca77 on March 24, 2017, 12:56:35 AM
People are over complicating this.

We will essentially be homeowners in the same way that anyone with a mortgage is a home owner.
After the term the loan is paid off and we own everything outright.

This is how I see it
Title: Re: [News]Bramley Moore Dock update
Post by: Silas on March 24, 2017, 12:56:51 AM
I have to say I'm underwhelmed. We have a pre contract so t