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Title: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: NewsBot on December 02, 2016, 04:03:56 AM
Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?

Is there any point in asking the question "should Oumar Niasse be given a chance in the first team?”  It's extremely unlikely he will be given Ronald Koemans current stance.

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Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: TheRam on December 02, 2016, 04:38:19 AM
No

The question should be 'Is it time to bring Valencia in from the cold?'

Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Ross on December 02, 2016, 05:40:12 AM
No

The question should be 'Is it time to bring Valencia in from the cold?'



The question should be who's most likely to help Lukaku with our goalscoring burden.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: hill135 on December 02, 2016, 05:54:43 AM
No it isn't because he has no footballing talent
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Redartin on December 02, 2016, 06:16:51 AM
The question should be "when do we put the January Sales stickers up on Niasse and Kon and several others and give West Ham their 5th choice striker back".

Scoring a couple of goals against a few kids in the U23's doesn't suddenly covert a sow's ear into a silk purse.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: ally2 on December 02, 2016, 06:43:32 AM
"Should we exercise the buyout fee and pay 14m for Valencia?"
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Ramjam on December 02, 2016, 12:09:01 PM

"Should we exercise the buyout fee and pay 14m for Valencia?"

Send him back to the shambles that he came from
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Lxxx on December 02, 2016, 01:07:37 PM
No

The question should be 'Is it time to bring Valencia in from the cold?'



No.

The question is 'How the fuck did we end up with one good striker and three that aren't even Championship standard?'
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Hawkandro on December 02, 2016, 02:21:01 PM
No.

It is time, however, for the scouting team and the board to step up and deliver the players we have targeted.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Macca77 on December 02, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
No, sell him January and send Valencia back to West Ham
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Bluedylan on December 02, 2016, 03:52:23 PM
If he's sleeping rough, then maybe Koeman's gone a bit far on this one.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 02, 2016, 06:20:51 PM
We shouldn't have bought him in from the cold (Moscow) in the fecking first place.....
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: keiko on December 02, 2016, 06:41:10 PM
(https://s11.postimg.org/jxxo02bb7/niasse2.jpg)

it looks like he has been training hard, you have to commend him for that. if he's not playing why not make him jagielka's personal trainer?
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Tinga on December 02, 2016, 07:17:29 PM
If he's sleeping rough, then maybe Koeman's gone a bit far on this one.

Underappreciated.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on December 02, 2016, 07:38:06 PM
Absolutely not
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: TheTone on December 02, 2016, 07:47:48 PM
would rather Mirallas or Deulofeu up front

has Kone been dropped from being shit too?
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: everton1952 on December 02, 2016, 08:09:00 PM
Promote one youngster and bin crap such as Niasse and Kone. Whether  a half decent striker or two are available in the January window is a moot point. It might have to wait until April.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Bluedylan on December 02, 2016, 11:04:06 PM
Underappreciated.

Cheers. I actually thought immediately after I wrote it that it was piss poor, but I'll take any compliments, no matter how tenuous.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Ridge on December 07, 2016, 05:31:06 PM
Lots of fans seem to get caught up in a conspiracy theory about him being a fraud. His position is surely also related to the assault incident back in may and him not being required through injury/suspension in first team. It's because he's behind Lukaku for front position that chances are so limited, Koeman has a system first and foremost and that doesn't have 2 strikers. Koeman may have wanted him out, but he also may have wanted him to help in reserves to help, develop, and be able to come into the first team hungry and enthused.

Whatever Koeman's thoughts upon arrival, I think it's difficult not to be impressed with how Niasse has got on with the disappointment and rejection. He's not sulking or only turning up when it suits him, he's doing the hard graft, off the ball, in the under 23s. But more than that, it appears that he's a well liked and regarded part of the team, in training as well as match day. He's doing all the right things in terms of demonstrating his worth and that will surely only go unacknowledged by Koeman for so long, probably until he's needed.

I think Koeman's position is also in the hope to be proved wrong, to create adversity and maybe some humility. If you want a more genuine appraisal, you only need to look at Unsworth's comments about Niasse, he understands the situatio, his talent and is managing him very well. He's a hard working and relatively unselfish player for a front man, he gets a surprising amount of assists, it's often more utilising a team mate in better shooting position than creativity, but with his pace and workrate he creates the space to get those opportunities.

Bolasie is now out for the much of the rest of the season and we might need some reinforcements. Long term, we won't keep Kone or Valencia and Lukaku rarely loses sight of the door. I think he was always considered a bit of a rough diamond and maybe he just needed time to improve technique and become a more well rounded player as well as adapt.

It's hard to know how things progress from here, he could carry on scoring goals in reserves and not get a chance. But I think there is also a fair to decent chance that he will either play himself into the first team on performances or when opportunity arises. I think he could well feature in some cup games alongside some others from under 23s. I also think there is a real chance he could explode into first team and prominence, it's his kind of style.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: ally2 on December 07, 2016, 05:39:36 PM
Undue credit. He's a footballer who is playing football. That's nothing to write home about. He's scoring at a poor standard. That's not impressive either.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 07, 2016, 05:56:52 PM
The way we are playing at the minute he seriously wouldn't look out of place .
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Ramjam on December 07, 2016, 05:56:57 PM
My guess is that he will be snapped up by another premier league team and he'll come back to hunt us, then watch Koeman get slagged off
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Lxxx on December 07, 2016, 08:30:43 PM
He's got Hull in January written all over him. Same as Cleverley. Hopefully.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: bigmanbob on December 07, 2016, 10:38:28 PM
Lots of fans seem to get caught up in a conspiracy theory about him being a fraud. His position is surely also related to the assault incident back in may and him not being required through injury/suspension in first team. It's because he's behind Lukaku for front position that chances are so limited, Koeman has a system first and foremost and that doesn't have 2 strikers. Koeman may have wanted him out, but he also may have wanted him to help in reserves to help, develop, and be able to come into the first team hungry and enthused.

Whatever Koeman's thoughts upon arrival, I think it's difficult not to be impressed with how Niasse has got on with the disappointment and rejection. He's not sulking or only turning up when it suits him, he's doing the hard graft, off the ball, in the under 23s. But more than that, it appears that he's a well liked and regarded part of the team, in training as well as match day. He's doing all the right things in terms of demonstrating his worth and that will surely only go unacknowledged by Koeman for so long, probably until he's needed.

I think Koeman's position is also in the hope to be proved wrong, to create adversity and maybe some humility. If you want a more genuine appraisal, you only need to look at Unsworth's comments about Niasse, he understands the situatio, his talent and is managing him very well. He's a hard working and relatively unselfish player for a front man, he gets a surprising amount of assists, it's often more utilising a team mate in better shooting position than creativity, but with his pace and workrate he creates the space to get those opportunities.

Bolasie is now out for the much of the rest of the season and we might need some reinforcements. Long term, we won't keep Kone or Valencia and Lukaku rarely loses sight of the door. I think he was always considered a bit of a rough diamond and maybe he just needed time to improve technique and become a more well rounded player as well as adapt.

It's hard to know how things progress from here, he could carry on scoring goals in reserves and not get a chance. But I think there is also a fair to decent chance that he will either play himself into the first team on performances or when opportunity arises. I think he could well feature in some cup games alongside some others from under 23s. I also think there is a real chance he could explode into first team and prominence, it's his kind of style.

You could have just said he was shit like everyone else :)
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Lxxx on December 07, 2016, 10:47:40 PM
Lots of fans seem to get caught up in a conspiracy theory about him being a fraud. His position is surely also related to the assault incident back in may and him not being required through injury/suspension in first team. It's because he's behind Lukaku for front position that chances are so limited, Koeman has a system first and foremost and that doesn't have 2 strikers. Koeman may have wanted him out, but he also may have wanted him to help in reserves to help, develop, and be able to come into the first team hungry and enthused.

Whatever Koeman's thoughts upon arrival, I think it's difficult not to be impressed with how Niasse has got on with the disappointment and rejection. He's not sulking or only turning up when it suits him, he's doing the hard graft, off the ball, in the under 23s. But more than that, it appears that he's a well liked and regarded part of the team, in training as well as match day. He's doing all the right things in terms of demonstrating his worth and that will surely only go unacknowledged by Koeman for so long, probably until he's needed.

I think Koeman's position is also in the hope to be proved wrong, to create adversity and maybe some humility. If you want a more genuine appraisal, you only need to look at Unsworth's comments about Niasse, he understands the situatio, his talent and is managing him very well. He's a hard working and relatively unselfish player for a front man, he gets a surprising amount of assists, it's often more utilising a team mate in better shooting position than creativity, but with his pace and workrate he creates the space to get those opportunities.

Bolasie is now out for the much of the rest of the season and we might need some reinforcements. Long term, we won't keep Kone or Valencia and Lukaku rarely loses sight of the door. I think he was always considered a bit of a rough diamond and maybe he just needed time to improve technique and become a more well rounded player as well as adapt.

It's hard to know how things progress from here, he could carry on scoring goals in reserves and not get a chance. But I think there is also a fair to decent chance that he will either play himself into the first team on performances or when opportunity arises. I think he could well feature in some cup games alongside some others from under 23s. I also think there is a real chance he could explode into first team and prominence, it's his kind of style.

Was it a slow day at work?  :snigger:
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 08, 2016, 12:09:49 AM
it's his kind of style.

Watch him a lot in Russia then mate yeah? "His Style" as if you've watched any more of him than what we all saw last year.

2nd ton of diarrhea you've posted today lolol

This isn't quite as good as Lukaku running the least of any player in the League because Chelsea let him go and he felt betrayed though.

Wonder what nonsense you're going to invent next? Jagielka has lost form lately because his cat ran away when he was 7 and he's suffering PTSD?
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Ridge on December 08, 2016, 02:59:20 AM
Watch him a lot in Russia then mate yeah? "His Style" as if you've watched any more of him than what we all saw last year.

2nd ton of diarrhea you've posted today lolol

This isn't quite as good as Lukaku running the least of any player in the League because Chelsea let him go and he felt betrayed though.

Wonder what nonsense you're going to invent next? Jagielka has lost form lately because his cat ran away when he was 7 and he's suffering PTSD?

You don't need to be a weatherman to realise what way the wind is blowing.

I enjoy having discussion and debate, but I'm not going to spend my time justifying my opinion to people who struggle to have their own one.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 08, 2016, 03:21:09 AM
I enjoy having discussion and debate

It's not a debate though is it, you're just blatantly making stuff up lolol
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Ridge on December 08, 2016, 03:30:26 AM
It's not a debate though is it, you're just blatantly making stuff up lolol

I have my own opinions, and you're only looking to undermine messenger, so waste of both our time, so good day sir.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: brap2 on December 08, 2016, 04:19:45 AM
I'd love ridge to be right and for niasse to make a soap opera style come back like a victorious Peter Barlow or something but he did look really, unquestionably shit.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 08, 2016, 03:39:39 PM
It's not a debate though is it, you're just blatantly making stuff up lolol

Especially the bit about Koeman having a system .
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: TheRam on December 08, 2016, 03:55:02 PM
Especially the bit about Koeman having a system .


Haha.

Another Martinez fanboy who can't stand to credit the new manager and is always quick to throw in a dig when the chance arises.

Pretty pathetic stuff from you and others.

Hopefully Koeman is a massive failure so you feel a bit better about yourself.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on December 08, 2016, 06:54:57 PM
Haha.

Another Martinez fanboy who can't stand to credit the new manager and is always quick to throw in a dig when the chance arises.

Pretty pathetic stuff from you and others.

Hopefully Koeman is a massive failure so you feel a bit better about yourself.

Proper bizarre stance to take isn't it?

Are these people really so arsed that a manager they thought was good but turned out not to be, that they'll take it out on the new manager?

Don't get it myself.  If you're giving up on the fella less than 15 games in what is honestly the fucking point.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 08, 2016, 06:59:14 PM
Rodenplonker hates everyone so no need to get in a flap over his Koeman stance.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 08, 2016, 07:36:40 PM
I don't hate Koeman I just think we look pretty clueless . All the fuckers who were hammering Martinez for not getting the best out of the most talented squad we have had in years have now changed tack . Koeman needs to rip it all up and start again it seems . These talented players we have are just not up to his vision whatever that may be . I had my reservations about him and his patchy record right from the off . Its only my opinion and I am not yet starting a petition , saving up for a light aircraft and a banner or planning to start a demo . I have supported Everton far too long for that shit . Time will tell as they say .
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: TheTone on December 08, 2016, 08:13:18 PM
It can't be the managers fault all the time, it's just plain wrong to say we have talented players, we have one or two talented players, a lot of average players and some shit players and Niasse is one of the latter unfortunately.

Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 08, 2016, 08:40:53 PM
It can't be the managers fault all the time, it's just plain wrong to say we have talented players, we have one or two talented players, a lot of average players and some shit players and Niasse is one of the latter unfortunately.


It was a good enough excuse a few months back . Martinez had lost the plot but some of the players seriously let him and more importantly the fans down .
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: everton1952 on December 08, 2016, 09:27:57 PM
Fortunately he lost his job (not soon enough though) and now we or Everton give Koeman 3 years to turn us around. The world is full of people with a "we want it now" mentality.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 08, 2016, 10:21:11 PM
Fortunately he lost his job (not soon enough though) and now we or Everton give Koeman 3 years to turn us around. The world is full of people with a "we want it now" mentality.

The only thing I want now is us to look like we know what we are doing on the pitch . Koeman can have as long as the owner wants him to have . We are just turd at the minute and there is no harm in saying so .
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on December 13, 2016, 08:15:44 PM
Jagielka has lost form lately because his cat ran away when he was 7 and he's suffering PTSD

Perhaps we should all chip in and get him a new cat?
Would be well worth it if it saved the season.
I'm in.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on December 13, 2016, 09:42:07 PM
Oumar Niasse has scored 7 goals in PL2 Div 1 - no player in the division has scored more (Paolo Fernandes and Charles Vernam also 7).

Esteemed company....
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Ross on December 13, 2016, 09:55:19 PM
Oumar Niasse has scored 7 goals in PL2 Div 1 - no player in the division has scored more (Paolo Fernandes and Charles Vernam also 7).

Esteemed company....

Well he can only do what he's doing.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: BlueForYou on December 13, 2016, 10:18:13 PM
No first team football here for Niasse - his value will go down

Keep him scoring for the U23's - someone might take a punt

Good move, Ron
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Bluedylan on December 13, 2016, 11:06:40 PM
No first team football here for Niasse - his value will go down

Keep him scoring for the U23's - someone might take a punt

Good move, Ron

I think he has to allow him to play for the U23s or he could possibly be sued in some kind of 'bullying in the workplace' scenario.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: GLewis on December 13, 2016, 11:55:24 PM
I think he has to allow him to play for the U23s or he could possibly be sued in some kind of 'bullying in the workplace' scenario.

Surely he could just not get picked?

I don't think him playing is part of some master plan though more that there's not some big conspiracy other than he thinks he's rubbish.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Ridge on December 13, 2016, 11:57:22 PM
I think he has to allow him to play for the U23s or he could possibly be sued in some kind of 'bullying in the workplace' scenario.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Lionel_Richie_Say_What.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Bluedylan on December 13, 2016, 11:58:49 PM
Surely he could just not get picked?

I don't think him playing is part of some master plan though more that there's not some big conspiracy other than he thinks he's rubbish.

Was being tongue in cheek. Perhaps I should've gone with an emoji ;)
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: GLewis on December 14, 2016, 12:06:08 AM
Was being tongue in cheek. Perhaps I should've gone with an emoji ;)

Life in technicolor...

:D
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: BlueForYou on December 14, 2016, 01:34:25 AM
I think Everton could counterclaim for breach of trade description
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Lxxx on February 05, 2017, 03:18:37 AM
He's got Hull in January written all over him. Same as Cleverley. Hopefully.

Decent shout.
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: Ridge on September 23, 2017, 11:42:47 PM
I'd love ridge to be right and for niasse to make a soap opera style come back like a victorious Peter Barlow or something but he did look really, unquestionably shit.

 :whistle:
Title: Re: [News]Is it time to bring Oumar Niasse in from the cold?
Post by: brap2 on September 23, 2017, 11:44:53 PM
:whistle:

*theme tune to eastenders kicks in in background*