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Title: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 14, 2016, 08:56:34 PM
Is it too soon to start the thread of doom?

Anyway, wondering what teams people would go with? Bring Barry back in? Mori for Jags? Valencia to start again?

If we play like we did last night, we win...they cant handle pressure and pressing (see Bournemouth game for example)

I was convinced we would lose but now, i think we might just win...!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 14, 2016, 09:00:12 PM
Unleash hell
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: formerKHL on December 14, 2016, 09:00:21 PM
same starting line up but with funis mori in for jags...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 14, 2016, 09:08:54 PM
not being pessimistic but can't we live off last night  Euphoria for a little bit longer.

its a tough call Barry IN , McCarthy OUT as cant see Gana Being dropped unless he has a late reaction to Williams ko,  Valencia did ok and is a lot more Physical despite his size
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluenose 91 on December 14, 2016, 09:14:20 PM
Got to be the same team as last night, Jagielka aside obviously.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Shogun on December 14, 2016, 09:16:17 PM
I feel fine about this.

I don't think we're going to win a derby again for the rest of my lifetime anyway.

Stekelenberg
Coleman Williams Funes Baines
Gana Barry
Valencia Barkley Lennon
Lukaku

Maybe Deulofeu for Lennon but why change too much?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 14, 2016, 09:16:48 PM
Unleash hell

Besic is still hurt.  But Funes Mori will have to start, and he will have to damned near kill somebody if he wants to top his last Derby...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 14, 2016, 09:17:55 PM
feels kinda shitty to drop McCarthy (never thought id say that!)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 14, 2016, 09:19:43 PM
I think we have to keep McCarthy in and can still use Barry as a good option later in the game. I also feel fine about this, and think we can definitely win, if we apply the same approach as last night. Not feeling the usual dread.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 14, 2016, 09:26:21 PM
we need legs in midfield so I'd keep McCarthy in there, if its tight near the end then perhaps use Barry's guile which just might provide a through ball for big Rom to run on to and lash home the winner

wouldn't it be great if they lose tonight and we win next Monday and then are only 5 points behind them

Dear Santa lid........
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 14, 2016, 09:32:11 PM
Shitting it. Hate these games because they mean the most to me and we're so bad at them.

Also, I work in Leicester now so of course the most supported team in our office is the shite with about 10 of the cunts  >:(

That's right, there's even more of them than Leicester fans - even after last season hadthem crawling out the woodwork!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 14, 2016, 09:43:18 PM
Same team bar Jagielka obviously

Same intensity, Same aggression, same workrate
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Big Nev on December 14, 2016, 09:44:59 PM
I feel fine about this.

I don't think we're going to win a derby again for the rest of my lifetime anyway.

Stekelenberg
Coleman Williams Funes Baines
Gana Barry
Valencia Barkley Lennon
Lukaku

Maybe Deulofeu for Lennon but why change too much?

I'd go with that.

I, too, don't think we'll win one for a while.
I always plan my next day as if we've lost...then anything else is a bonus.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 14, 2016, 10:12:52 PM
I can see an argument for Barry as his control of the ball might be useful if it's really frantic.

But feel the same team would have a chance to build momentum after last night.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Trowel on December 14, 2016, 10:16:09 PM
My least favourite game of the season.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 14, 2016, 10:26:38 PM
Don't try and fix what isn't broken. I'm an open critic of McCarthy but think we'd benefit having him playing against the team the has one of the highest work rates in the league and hopefully nullify Henderson
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Django on December 14, 2016, 10:33:49 PM
Don't try and fix what isn't broken. I'm an open critic of McCarthy but think we'd benefit having him playing against the team the has one of the highest work rates in the league and hopefully nullify Henderson

Henderson nullifies himself well enough I reckon.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 14, 2016, 10:35:06 PM
Mori in for Jagielka, Mirallas or Delafoo in for Lennon

Their defence is shitter than ours, they buckle under pressure
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 14, 2016, 10:36:02 PM
Henderson nullifies himself well enough I reckon.

Everytime I hear them call him Hendo I want to break someones face
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Django on December 14, 2016, 10:37:32 PM
Can't stand McCarthy, but I'd keep him in for the Derby. Barry is a bigger influence on the game, but we're gonna need legs in midfield against them and can do without Barry on a yellow after 15mins and unable to commit.

Huge game for Funes. Just hope we get at them from the off. If we could maintain last night's 65 mins for a full 90 then we can win.

Let's just hope they get a couple of injuries to some of their cross-dressing frontline tonight.

COYB
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Shogun on December 14, 2016, 10:41:57 PM
My McCarthy omission is partly down to the fact I'm not convinced by his first decent performance in two and a half years but it's also down to his injury problems this year. We don't have many options in midfield as it is so with Gana going to ACON in January, we shouldn't be taking those sort of risks.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: plumber on December 14, 2016, 10:49:52 PM
Davies in. He can't be worse than McCarthy.











 ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 14, 2016, 11:00:34 PM
Same intensity, Same aggression, same workrate

From the start.....and not just beginning after we've conceded a soft goal. Again.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 14, 2016, 11:38:39 PM
Same team, same script as last night. Start like shit and give them an early goal and when they get all Hendo cocky hit them with what Arsenal got hit with and see what happens. The crowd have to play the part as well (go'ead Bally lad) and the ref has to have at least half a spine. All goes to plan Klopp will make an arse of himself and we'll all be bladdered by midnight.

Will be in Liverpool as of Monday morning. Hoping Santa got my letter. Stay posted...... :thumbsup:








Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 14, 2016, 11:54:12 PM
Not getting my hopes up.

We fought like fuck last night but results wise it was a freak. Play that game 10 times and we lose 9.

Unfortunately I think they'll have too much for us, so I'd go same team as last night bar jags, and when McCarthy has had his yellow and is on thin ice put Barry on.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Zoolander on December 15, 2016, 12:19:32 AM
They've not been great of late....but fuck it I'm not going to jinx it by saying anything
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 15, 2016, 12:27:05 AM
Henderson nullifies himself well enough I reckon.

Lynch this lad when Big Hendo bags the winner.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 15, 2016, 12:28:35 AM
Mike Dean is the ref for this.

Very strange.

Never officiated a game of ours, and hasn't officiated the shite for 10 years so why is he suddenly in for the derby?

We've all seen him ref. Do not be surprised if he's the main talking point come Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 15, 2016, 12:38:08 AM
Mike Dean is the ref for this.

Very strange.

Never officiated a game of ours, and hasn't officiated the shite for 10 years so why is he suddenly in for the derby?

We've all seen him ref. Do not be surprised if he's the main talking point come Tuesday morning.
Wasn't allowed to do a cup final cos of his supposed links to lfc but can do this?

Very odd
Title: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 15, 2016, 12:40:24 AM
What does winning a derby feel like? I can't remember.

On the tactical side, this might be a match where long balls help us out, as long as we have appropriate outlets to latch onto them. I know it's a different league, but Roger Schmidt/Bayer Leverkusen have completely nullified the Tuchel/Dortmund press in a few recent meetings by playing it long regularly and not messing around with the ball at the back. Like this:

https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/782293294671925248 (https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/782293294671925248)

We might actually have the personnel to pull this sort of thing off if we do it correctly and, if we can neuter their press, we take away one of their biggest attacking weapons.

It helps that Leverkusen have a wicked press of their own to win some of those second and third balls. We definitely aren't there yet (and never will be because Schmidt is into way more aggressive pressing than Koeman) but last night was an improvement.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 15, 2016, 01:00:02 AM
Everytime I hear them call him Hendo I want to break someones face

I know a guy locally who is also sometimes called "Hendo" who is also a massive cunt whose face I want to kick in.  He doesn't follow European footy, but if he did, I'm sure he'd love the Shite.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Shogun on December 15, 2016, 01:06:27 AM
Scenes when Mike Dean gives them a penalty for shirt pulling.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 15, 2016, 01:07:54 AM
I know a guy locally who is also sometimes called "Hendo" who is also a massive cunt whose face I want to kick in.  He doesn't follow European footy, but if he did, I'm sure he'd love the Shite.

Im not a violent man, they make me that way, just hope there isnt a full moon on Monday
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 15, 2016, 01:09:23 AM
Scenes when Mike Dean gives them a penalty for shirt pulling.

Said this to my dad earlier, nailed on Mori on that Brazilian fella with the shit hair
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Shogun on December 15, 2016, 01:19:13 AM
that Brazilian fella with the shit hair

Got a few options there
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 15, 2016, 01:22:44 AM
Said this to my dad earlier, nailed on Mori on that Brazilian fella with the shit hair

this one??

(http://www.thehumanmarvels.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/SCHLITZIE-THE-PINHEAD.jpg)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 15, 2016, 01:52:19 AM
What does winning a derby feel like? I can't remember.

On the tactical side, this might be a match where long balls help us out, as long as we have appropriate outlets to latch onto them. I know it's a different league, but Roger Schmidt/Bayer Leverkusen have completely nullified the Tuchel/Dortmund press in a few recent meetings by playing it long regularly and not messing around with the ball at the back. Like this:

https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/782293294671925248 (https://twitter.com/11tegen11/status/782293294671925248)

We might actually have the personnel to pull this sort of thing off if we do it correctly and, if we can neuter their press, we take away one of their biggest attacking weapons.

It helps that Leverkusen have a wicked press of their own to win some of those second and third balls. We definitely aren't there yet (and never will be because Schmidt is into way more aggressive pressing than Koeman) but last night was an improvement.

Love it.

Key is getting someone touch tight to lukaku so when it bounces off his shin or collar bone they can pick it up.

Lennon pace key, Barkley pace key.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 15, 2016, 03:04:29 AM
I'd like the Bournemouth team but failing that last night's team minus jags but maybe Holgate as he's more committed and is composed. Mori gives me the jitters anď is prone to the underhit pass.
I'm too long in the tooth to think we'll win because it seems more psychological why we struggle against these horrible bastards... 2:2
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 15, 2016, 03:17:15 AM
glad they winning tonight. Get it out of thier system. 3 games without a win leading up to the derby would mean a definite win for them.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: American Evertonian on December 15, 2016, 03:24:36 AM
I feel fine about this.

I don't think we're going to win a derby again for the rest of my lifetime anyway.

Stekelenberg
Coleman Williams Funes Baines
Gana Barry
Valencia Barkley Lennon
Lukaku

Maybe Deulofeu for Lennon but why change too much?

In that case....I hope you live a happy, fulfilling, and joyfully short life.

 ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 15, 2016, 03:30:51 AM
No fucking clue how this will go. Barry has been one of our best performers but do we sacrifice him for the industry we showed last night? I don't know.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Django on December 15, 2016, 04:39:22 AM
Mike Dean is the ref for this.

Very strange.

Never officiated a game of ours, and hasn't officiated the shite for 10 years so why is he suddenly in for the derby?

We've all seen him ref. Do not be surprised if he's the main talking point come Tuesday morning.

I've got footage of him singing YNWA
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 15, 2016, 04:40:09 AM
I am pleased that we put in such a performance in Barry's absence.  However, I don't think that our collective pulling together of thine shit means we should make a habit of it, or that it is some kind of "secret sauce."
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 15, 2016, 04:40:48 AM
No fucking clue how this will go. Barry has been one of our best performers but do we sacrifice him for the industry we showed last night? I don't know.

Great insight there!  :snigger:
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 15, 2016, 04:47:13 AM
Quote
Dean was originally appointed to referee the 2006 FA Cup final at the Millennium Stadium on 13 May 2006 but the Football Association later replaced him with Alan Wiley after concerns were raised about Dean's ability to be impartial towards Liverpool

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 15, 2016, 04:51:53 AM
What the fuck?

Nah, we shouldn't let this happen.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 15, 2016, 05:10:59 AM
This could get nasty
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Alanvideo on December 15, 2016, 05:28:48 AM
According to this BBC article Mike Dean lives in North Wales and supports Tranmere.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36075347
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Shogun on December 15, 2016, 05:31:33 AM
Surely this is a case of bringing the game into disrepute?

If he had been refereeing both teams for years then it'd be fine but it's been a decade since he took charge of a match featuring either side, let alone both.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 15, 2016, 05:37:19 AM
Lump your money on James Milner scoring a pen!

I think we will sacrifice Valencia and bring Barry back in. Something like

              Stekelenberg

Coleman Williams Mori Baines

       McCarthy Barry Gana

       Lennon Lukaku Barkley

We need to work our arses off, not let them play and defo defo defo no arsing around with the ball at the back

We won't stop them scoring but hopefully we will score more than them
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Django on December 15, 2016, 09:37:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtoed6NxCC0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtoed6NxCC0&feature=youtu.be)

"

Mike Dean in the crowd.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 15, 2016, 12:07:10 PM
Quel connard
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 15, 2016, 12:21:27 PM
At least if as many people as possible are aware about this by Monday it could lead to angry goodison from the off, and actually be a good thing?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blue slug on December 15, 2016, 04:29:03 PM
need to press from the front which Valencia was pretty good at the other night
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cyberduck on December 15, 2016, 05:15:49 PM
I'd be concerned about bringing Barry back. Not the game for him in my opinion. Too many fast players zipping around. He'd probably be on a yellow after 5 minutes and off by half time.

Don't mind a couple of changes though.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Robioto on December 15, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
I'd go with the same lineup (with Mori in for Jags), the team were great against Arsenal, no reason to change it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 15, 2016, 06:50:23 PM
I wouldn't change the team from the other night. obviously Jags will be replaced by Mori.

The aggression shown after 20 minutes or so is what we have been missing for a while, if we can start like that against Liverpool then it should be an entertaining game, providing the referee doesn't try to take the sting out of it.

we will be pressed like hell by their attackers so it's important that we have 2 deep midfielders that can help the defenders with that, McCarthy and Gueye should be able to take that up, I would probably prefer to have McCarthy and Gueye than Barry and Gueye.

It sounds obvious but not losing the ball in midfield is going to be key to this game, we have lost the ball in that area far too often recently, even the other night it was losing the ball there that led to them being able to get a free kick and score from it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueski on December 15, 2016, 07:19:48 PM
derby match with with mori starting

nailed on red card?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 15, 2016, 07:21:55 PM
Two things will happen :-

The ref will bottle it and send one of our players off early

They will get a penalty
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cantoffee on December 15, 2016, 09:19:35 PM
I don't think Mori has the temperament for these matches.

I know people will say he played in those wild derbies for River but that doesn't mean he has the right mentality for it.

Penalty or red card from him seems likely to me. Hopefully he learnt from last year.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 15, 2016, 09:27:59 PM
If we can withstand the first 15mins in which they will come at us all guns blazing we might just beat them for once . The slow starts worry me .
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Shogun on December 15, 2016, 09:48:39 PM
If we can withstand the first 15mins in which they will come at us all guns blazing we might just beat them for once . The slow starts worry me .


They're probably the best starters in the league and we're probably the worst so far this season.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blue slug on December 15, 2016, 11:38:45 PM
you could see us being two or three nil down in the first 15-20 minutes if we start our worst and them there best
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 16, 2016, 02:37:50 AM
Hope this girl is much happier Monday night , what a grim night that was  :headbang:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/8a/fa/13/8afa13f174d04fab6c16406fb3f2db31.jpg)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 16, 2016, 03:48:44 AM
God I'm hating this.

My kingdom for a night like the other night. My soul for a thousand years for a Ross Barkley winner.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 16, 2016, 03:57:51 AM
Just got to watch being hit on the break like in the anfield shambles... get at them, give no quarter and stop the predictable wing place that produces little. Put it through to Rom with pace and let him smash them out of his way.... the battles in the mind.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2016, 05:28:29 AM
if ross got the winner, i think id die on the spot out of happiness.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueForYou on December 16, 2016, 02:24:31 PM
I hate derbies, the build up, the lot - I'll take a 0-0 and forget it!

However, a Barkley super show with a late penalty and it's Happy Christmas!

Take 'em on, and show the boss, Ross!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 16, 2016, 05:28:02 PM
Just checked Lawro's predictions and surprised to see he's gone for 1-1.

Still, in his hypothetical league table Liverpool are top with no defeats lolol
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 16, 2016, 05:44:28 PM
Just checked Lawro's predictions and surprised to see he's gone for 1-1.

Still, in his hypothetical league table Liverpool are top with no defeats lolol
They must be about five years undefeated now
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 16, 2016, 05:51:36 PM
I've just clicked on Carragher's derby stories on sky sports, no idea why did, I'm so fucking angry right now
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 16, 2016, 05:53:12 PM
I don't think Mori has the temperament for these matches.

I know people will say he played in those wild derbies for River but that doesn't mean he has the right mentality for it.

Penalty or red card from him seems likely to me. Hopefully he learnt from last year.

Holgate is rested and ready.

/skipped the tanned part, DUH
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 16, 2016, 06:42:53 PM
I think we can do this. Usually dreading it, but fuck that, I'm not interested in taking a point and moving on. It's time we beat them, and that Arsenal game couldn't have come at a more opportune moment to galvanise us.

We all know they're a good team and work as hard as anyone, so it's unlikely that we'll out-graft them. But their defence and their keeper(s) are big vulnerabilities. As usual with us, it's about mentality and bottle, as much as it's about tactics and systems.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 16, 2016, 07:34:44 PM
Starrting to get mega nervous now. I fucking hate them so much, i hate everything about them, i just want us to show up for once.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Waltzer on December 16, 2016, 08:13:07 PM
Starrting to get mega nervous now. I fucking hate them so much, i hate everything about them, i just want us to show up for once.

I think you nailed it about us turning up for once. We used to raise our game as we were always massive underdogs, probably still lose but we'd give it our best. The years when there hasnt been much between us on paper they still seem to raise there game and we rarely do.
Worried about this game and given our current struggles and unpredictability were more likely to get turned over big style rather than anything positive coming from it
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 16, 2016, 08:49:21 PM
Just hope our fans and players don't shit the bed after we get battered and undo all the good of the Arsenal result.

99% sure we're going to lose on Monday but we need to somehow carry the Arsenal result into the next game after that.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 16, 2016, 08:54:26 PM
I remember when Moyes was moaned at for being too conservative in derbies.

People thought that we should show much more attacking intent. We did under Martinez. Clearly that didn't work.

I think Koeman would bite your hand off for a 0-0 right now.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 16, 2016, 09:01:33 PM
Martinez's approach was kamikaze attacking intent though, a castle built on sand. Clearly we'll never win any games doing that.

Liverpool's biggest weakness is their defence. That's why I think attack is our best form of defence. If we just sit in for 90 minutes, we'll get picked off and limp to a shite 2 or 3 nil defeat.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 16, 2016, 09:32:04 PM
Start like we did against Arsenal and we will be 2 or 3 down after 10 mins.

I'm fearing the worst, expecting a hammering like I did on Tuesday
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 16, 2016, 11:48:17 PM
Just hope our fans and players don't shit the bed after we get battered and undo all the good of the Arsenal result.

99% sure we're going to lose on Monday but we need to somehow carry the Arsenal result into the next game after that.

I just want them to give it their all like they did against Arsenal for the last hour. If I see what happened last season at Anfield then I'm gonna go berserk.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 16, 2016, 11:55:57 PM
Just kinda dawned on me that this could be an absolute massacre.

Williams is a good defender but too slow, Mori is too clumsy, we are pretty much the ideal opponents for Liverpool as we literally do no pressing at all.

Just hope if we do lose we lose with a bit of pride and dignity and give it a good go, just have visions of this being a complete hiding from them.

Being 100% honest think I am gonna skip watching this altogether, the 2 4-0's where bad enough just hope they go easy on us here.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 17, 2016, 12:38:27 AM
fuck them, lets stick together and give it our all, I think the players will be right up for this one, night time game again, the place will be buzzing
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 17, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
fuck them, lets stick together and give it our all, I think the players will be right up for this one, night time game again, the place will be buzzing

Hope so mate! Tbh when it comes to that lot I always fear the worst no matter what. Regardless of the form or what players they have.

I think I even convinced myself they where gonna thump us even when Roy Hodgson was manager the last time we beat them.

As long as we ave a good go.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on December 17, 2016, 02:38:27 AM
Love / hate these games. Mostly hate.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Alanvideo on December 17, 2016, 02:45:30 AM
Last 10 home derbies in the PL -
3-0,1-2,0-2,0-2,2-0,0-2,2-2,3-3,0-0,1-1. Total goals 12-14
No evidence of a battering there.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Risky on December 17, 2016, 03:03:52 AM
Martinez's approach was kamikaze attacking intent though, a castle built on sand. Clearly we'll never win any games doing that.

Liverpool's biggest weakness is their defence. That's why I think attack is our best form of defence. If we just sit in for 90 minutes, we'll get picked off and limp to a shite 2 or 3 nil defeat.

The teams that have had success against Liverpool this season have been those that have kept it tight and forced Liverpool to come on to them.  They haven't been good enough to break down many teams that way.

I don't think we should park the bus or play for a 0-0 or anything, but I disagree that attack is the best form of defence against them.  If we can defend resolutely and frustrate them then the chances at the other end should come  anyway.  But trying to go toe to toe with them in an attacking sense is asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2016, 04:17:30 AM
The teams that have had success against Liverpool this season have been those that have kept it tight and forced Liverpool to come on to them.  They haven't been good enough to break down many teams that way.

I don't think we should park the bus or play for a 0-0 or anything, but I disagree that attack is the best form of defence against them.  If we can defend resolutely and frustrate them then the chances at the other end should come  anyway.  But trying to go toe to toe with them in an attacking sense is asking for trouble.

I think I agree. We should look to avoid errors, and take the game to them in well timed intervals.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 17, 2016, 04:22:27 AM
Last 10 home derbies in the PL -
3-0,1-2,0-2,0-2,2-0,0-2,2-2,3-3,0-0,1-1. Total goals 12-14
No evidence of a battering there.

How many of these games did we have a player sent off? Must be at least half of them
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bacon sarnie on December 17, 2016, 04:26:51 AM
Win
2-1
'Hendo'

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 17, 2016, 04:40:21 AM
I remember when Moyes was moaned at for being too conservative in derbies.

People thought that we should show much more attacking intent. We did under Martinez. Clearly that didn't work.

I think Koeman would bite your hand off for a 0-0 right now.

yeah it was only 3-0 at Goodison in Moyes' third season, marginally better than 4-0 at Anfield
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2016, 04:46:28 AM
Last 10 home derbies in the PL -
3-0,1-2,0-2,0-2,2-0,0-2,2-2,3-3,0-0,1-1. Total goals 12-14
No evidence of a battering there.

Nothing to smile about either. Decade of bullshit and we deserve more.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 17, 2016, 05:17:03 AM
yeah it was only 3-0 at Goodison in Moyes' third season, marginally better than 4-0 at Anfield

Moyes inherited a proper bag-o-shite.

Martinez didnt.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 17, 2016, 05:22:01 AM
Moyes inherited a proper bag-o-shite.

so did Howard Kendall
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 17, 2016, 05:36:08 AM
so did Howard Kendall

and he clearly knew his arse from his elbow when it came to management. As history dictates.

Martinez turned a good team bad. There's no escaping from that fact.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 17, 2016, 05:37:02 AM
and he clearly knew his arse from his elbow when it came to management. As history dictates.

Martinez turned a good team bad. There's no escaping from that fact.

yay!  let's go round in that circle again because it's Friday night and there's nothing better to do!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 17, 2016, 05:38:39 AM
yay!  let's go round in that circle again because it's Friday night and there's nothing better to do!

Clearly.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 17, 2016, 05:41:02 AM
Clearly.

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Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 17, 2016, 05:48:01 AM
Oh yes he was.












In keeping with panto season. :)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 17, 2016, 05:49:33 AM
sorry, are we not allowed to discuss the approach of our previous managers towards the derby and then speculate how our current manager might approach the game?

Mate, you've got serious Moyes/Martinez issues.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tinga on December 17, 2016, 06:06:47 AM
sorry, are we not allowed to discuss the approach of our previous managers towards the derby and then speculate how our current manager might approach the game?

Mate, you've got serious Moyes/Martinez issues.

Yeah.. it's all gone a bit "I'll tell you when I've had enough!" in here.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 17, 2016, 06:19:03 AM
sorry, are we not allowed to discuss the approach of our previous managers towards the derby and then speculate how our current manager might approach the game?

Mate, you've got serious Moyes/Martinez issues.

that's not what you were doing in the thread I quoted though, is it?

the post I quoted was "Martinez turned a good team into a bad one" which isn't comparing how the two managers approached the derby and how that might - for some reason - impact on how the current manager would approach it....

crack on though
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Thomas on December 17, 2016, 06:26:55 AM
For some reason I'm quietly confident about this game and a win would turn Koeman into a (temporary) Christmas hero.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 17, 2016, 06:46:58 AM
The teams that have had success against Liverpool this season have been those that have kept it tight and forced Liverpool to come on to them.  They haven't been good enough to break down many teams that way.

I don't think we should park the bus or play for a 0-0 or anything, but I disagree that attack is the best form of defence against them.  If we can defend resolutely and frustrate them then the chances at the other end should come  anyway.  But trying to go toe to toe with them in an attacking sense is asking for trouble.

They've lost twice. Once was a shut up shop job (Burnley), and the other was by going at them (Bournemouth), so you might say there's equal evidence for both approaches.

I think the Burnley win was a lot more fortunate and less repeatable than the Bournemouth one.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 17, 2016, 12:42:23 PM
so did Howard Kendall

True we managed to lose 0-5 to them then!

;)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 17, 2016, 12:44:22 PM
In classic Everton / Derby fashion I suppose, before Tuesday I was just assuming we'd lose.

Since Tuesday the optimism has grown that we might actually win. That in turn has made me dead nervous about it; which of course would make it all the worse if it then goes badly (again)...

:eh:
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Danny on December 17, 2016, 02:27:35 PM
ok here we go, let's just keep it in this post

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Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 17, 2016, 02:46:10 PM
In classic Everton / Derby fashion I suppose, before Tuesday I was just assuming we'd lose.

Since Tuesday the optimism has grown that we might actually win. That in turn has made me dead nervous about it; which of course would make it all the worse if it then goes badly (again)...

:eh:

This.  I'm slightly resentful of winning on Tuesday now as its opened the tiniest of crack of optimisim for Monday which I know is enough to bring the whole wall crashing down.

I just want Everton to not ruin xmas for once!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 17, 2016, 02:56:31 PM
ok here we go, let's just keep it in this post

Martinez was shit

he wasn't all that bad

yes he was

Is Heitingha eligible

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megaphone man

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I hate brand Cahill

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thats racist

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CHEBS bouncing everywhere like adfuckindshfbsfsnfsdsfbaaaaag gghhhhh!!!!

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Fixed it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: sirblue57 on December 17, 2016, 04:22:02 PM
Fixed it.
Cunt, making me look through that  lolol
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 17, 2016, 04:44:29 PM
Please can people stop quoting that fucking post.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 17, 2016, 04:47:16 PM
He was shit though.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueForYou on December 17, 2016, 05:03:03 PM
Pantomime time!

"He's behind you!" Henderson to Milner after getting the runaround from Ross......................... ...!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 17, 2016, 05:09:23 PM
He was shit though.

He wasn't that good.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 17, 2016, 05:15:15 PM
He was still chatting pyar shite last night on 5 live. It made me feel good that we no longer have to deal with that.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueForYou on December 17, 2016, 05:21:18 PM
Belgium for the World Cup, then?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 17, 2016, 05:25:03 PM
He's not our Manager now who gives a fuck.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueForYou on December 17, 2016, 05:32:29 PM
Fair comment
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 17, 2016, 05:53:35 PM
Whether Martinez was/is shit or not, it's early days, but has Koeman got through to the players as to how he wants us to play?  “What about the soft tissue injuries”? They’re down by nearly 100%. Is that because we have staff training the players that actually know what they're doing? I think Koemans got the bit between his teeth and actually knows now what he's doing with the players at his disposal. Martinez lost himself in some Dali inspired non existent football landscape. Now we have Koeman the old Dutch master. But OK, that's a different story.  :)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 17, 2016, 06:07:21 PM
In classic Everton / Derby fashion I suppose, before Tuesday I was just assuming we'd lose.

Since Tuesday the optimism has grown that we might actually win. That in turn has made me dead nervous about it; which of course would make it all the worse if it then goes badly (again)...

:eh:

This describes my feelings exactly.

Ultimately we're unlikely to win at their place, so this has to be the one we go for, otherwise it's another season without a derby win.

We've had a number of chances to beat them in recent years when they haven't been very good, and we've been tame and passive a lot of the time. That 1-1 (Rodgers' last game) was a massive opportunity missed.

I'm hoping Koeman's detatchment and decent record against them brings something different to our mentality.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Risky on December 17, 2016, 08:24:12 PM
They've lost twice. Once was a shut up shop job (Burnley), and the other was by going at them (Bournemouth), so you might say there's equal evidence for both approaches.

I think the Burnley win was a lot more fortunate and less repeatable than the Bournemouth one.

They also got frustrated by Southampton and United in the last month or so, both of whom proved that Liverpool struggle to break down teams who don't come out and attack them.  It's also what Burnley did, restricted them to long range efforts and yes they were fortunate that they put away both their chances in that game but I'm struggling to see how that kind of performance and result is more fortunate than coming back from 3-1 down to win 4-3 in the dying stages of a game full of defensive errors.

If we are gung-ho and try to out-Liverpool them then it's a recipe for disaster in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 17, 2016, 08:32:06 PM
They also got frustrated by Southampton and United in the last month or so, both of whom proved that Liverpool struggle to break down teams who don't come out and attack them.  It's also what Burnley did, restricted them to long range efforts and yes they were fortunate that they put away both their chances in that game but I'm struggling to see how that kind of performance and result is more fortunate than coming back from 3-1 down to win 4-3 in the dying stages of a game full of defensive errors.

If we are gung-ho and try to out-Liverpool them then it's a recipe for disaster in my opinion. 

Yeah point taken. I'm not suggesting gung-ho at all though. That would be madness. Martinez tried that and look how that went.

I'm suggesting high pressure, high intensity and attacking whenever the opportunity is available (like Tuesday), but with a solid foundation behind it with Gana and McCarthy.

You look at Liverpool and generally speaking they're excellent going forward, and pretty strong in midfield. At the back, they have two dodgy keepers, a midfielder at LB, uncertain CBs (apart from Matip), and a very attacking RB. Koeman himself said Liverpool's vulnerability is their defence.

I'm just tired of watching us rocking up to the derby like pussies, and letting the game drift by. We shouldn't be happy with a point at home, and then the inevitable defeat at Anfield. That's massively defeatist and counter-productive. We wouldn't be happy with that against any other team in the league, so why should we accept it against these pricks? They have vulnerabilities and they are mostly in defence.

You're suggesting sitting in and being cautious. I think they'll just pick us off with their high pressing and short passing, and we'll lose 2-0 without even giving it a go, if we do that it will be pathetic (again).
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueForYou on December 17, 2016, 08:35:44 PM
Didn't Liverpool beat Southampton 6-1 at St Mary's last year, after Saints went 1-0 up in the first minute

A cup tie, I recall, and derbies are like cup ties

Not a bad thing though - lesson learnt, eh Ron?

Won't happen again.......................

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Risky on December 17, 2016, 08:46:46 PM
Yeah point taken. I'm not suggesting gung-ho at all though. That would be madness. Martinez tried that and look how that went.

I'm suggesting high pressure, high intensity and attacking whenever the opportunity is available (like Tuesday), but with a solid foundation behind it with Gana and McCarthy.

You look at Liverpool and generally speaking they're excellent going forward, and pretty strong in midfield. At the back, they have two dodgy keepers, a midfielder at LB, uncertain CBs (apart from Matip), and a very attacking RB. Koeman himself said Liverpool's vulnerability is their defence.

I'm just tired of watching us rocking up to the derby like pussies, and letting the game drift by. We shouldn't be happy with a point at home, and then the inevitable defeat at Anfield. That's massively defeatist and counter-productive. We wouldn't be happy with that against any other team in the league, so why should we accept it against these pricks? They have vulnerabilities and they are mostly in defence.

You're suggesting sitting in and being cautious. I think they'll just pick us off with their high pressing and short passing, and we'll lose 2-0 without even giving it a go, if we do that it will be pathetic (again).

Nah, I'm not suggesting sitting back and letting them come on to us all game or anything like that,  I just disagreed with the "attack is the best form of defence" part.  I largely agree with you in terms of our approach now you've explained further although I think you're overplaying their short passing if you think it's a given that they'd pick us off that way.  The evidence this season suggests that for all their attacking strengths, breaking down defensive teams is one thing they appear to struggle with.

It's all about balance, and I think that's where we agree.  We need to be disciplined and keep it solid defensively, but we can't afford to leave Lukaku isolated up top and we need to put their defensive players under as much pressure as possible.  We need to play to win as you say as there's nothing worse than not turning up for a derby.  I just want us to do that in a solid and calculated way rather than a reckless one (appreciate you're not saying that).
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 17, 2016, 10:51:03 PM
that Chelsea result was significant for Monday night, if Chelsea had got beaten today the shite would have got an additional psychological boost going into the derby knowing a win would take them to just 3 points behind the league leaders,  we now have the opportunity to put a serious dent in their title challenge
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Danny on December 17, 2016, 11:07:56 PM
that Chelsea result was significant for Monday night, if Chelsea had got beaten today the shite would have got an additional psychological boost going into the derby knowing a win would take them to just 3 points behind the league leaders,  we now have the opportunity to put a serious dent in their title challenge

If we beat them their chance has gone imo, it'd probably turn a stumble into an actual fall off, and Chelsea are just flying at the moment.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 17, 2016, 11:19:51 PM
Fucking Hell, wouldn't want some of you next to me on the pitch. Defeated before we get there. Let's have some PMA people. They are beatable and we can beat them. COYB!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueForYou on December 17, 2016, 11:26:34 PM
OK, get the message - I'm sitting with you (via radio)

Koeman you blues and let's do the Ron, Ron!!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 17, 2016, 11:33:43 PM
Fucking Hell, wouldn't want some of you next to me on the pitch. Defeated before we get there. Let's have some PMA people. They are beatable and we can beat them. COYB!!!!!!

I honestly think it's half the problem with us in derbies. Obviously the players are the ones in the end, but the entire attitude that we take into derbies as a club and as a fanbase bleeds into the performances, and the nervousness that we often play with.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 18, 2016, 03:17:28 AM
Would love a ticket if anyone has a spare
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 18, 2016, 03:23:31 AM
Would love a ticket if anyone has a spare

Look in the ticket thread...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 18, 2016, 03:23:59 AM
Look in the ticket thread...

There's a what
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 18, 2016, 03:24:19 AM
There's a what

http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=55408.0
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 18, 2016, 03:32:08 AM
There's a what

£45 one here like... https://www.stubhub.com/everton-tickets-everton-v-liverpool-fc-liverpool-goodison-park-19-12-2016/event/9604348/?mbox=1&rS=6&abbyo=true&sliderpos=true&qtyq=false&qtyddab=false&dUpg=false&sort=price+asc&tktbkt=5&byo=1&ticket_id=1233191886&ticketRank=1&byo_qty=1
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 18, 2016, 03:35:43 AM
It's a derby and so it can go either way... BUT, I can accept any result as long as we give it everything, fight and battle, showing pride and courage.

Dont give them any respect and get in their faces from minute one. Turning it into a scrap gives us the best chance of getting the crowd behind the team.

No need to lose our heads, but just dont back down and go into the game with a genuine will to win.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 18, 2016, 03:45:45 AM
Same commitment as we saw in the last 65 minutes against Arsenal will give us a huge advantage because  they'll have the backing of the crowd.

Take a step back from that and we give them a foothold.

Controlled passion and aggression on the field coupled with spirit and emotion off it wins this game nine times out of ten.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 18, 2016, 04:59:19 PM
Tomorrow night we need the proper Everton crowd to turn up.. instead of groans we need roars. We need to boost not burst.. If we build it they'll perform. Look at the difference in the Arsenal game.. they sparked it but we responded as one. Do these fuckers Everton!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 18, 2016, 05:00:31 PM
Tomorrow night we need the proper Everton crowd to turn up.. instead of groans we need roars. We need to boost not burst.. If we build it they'll perform. Look at the difference in the Arsenal game.. they sparked it but we responded as one. Do these fuckers Everton!!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: 74Blue on December 18, 2016, 05:51:43 PM
Tomorrow night we need the proper Everton crowd to turn up.. instead of groans we need roars. We need to boost not burst.. If we build it they'll perform. Look at the difference in the Arsenal game.. they sparked it but we responded as one. Do these fuckers Everton!!!!!!
Absolutely this!
If we make some noise and turn Goodison into an absolute bear-pit, we've done our part. It's then down to the eleven on the pitch to do theirs!
Let's make Goodison Park intimidating for these fuckers again!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 18, 2016, 05:52:14 PM
Here's the front cover of the Derby programme. And there's me thinking Rom looked a bit disinterested towards the end of the Arsenal game.  :)




Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 18, 2016, 08:35:27 PM
Has anyone posted this? A good match preview:

http://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2016/12/17/13994326/everton-liverpool-tactical-analysis-preview-koeman-klopp-merseyside-derby-stats? (http://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2016/12/17/13994326/everton-liverpool-tactical-analysis-preview-koeman-klopp-merseyside-derby-stats?)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ihatecollina on December 18, 2016, 08:42:40 PM
Come on Everton, these are shite...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 18, 2016, 11:55:22 PM
shitting it now lads...would of been ok about this before the bloody Arsenal game!! Now i have hope.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cantoffee on December 19, 2016, 12:34:13 AM
Has anyone posted this? A good match preview:

http://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2016/12/17/13994326/everton-liverpool-tactical-analysis-preview-koeman-klopp-merseyside-derby-stats? (http://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2016/12/17/13994326/everton-liverpool-tactical-analysis-preview-koeman-klopp-merseyside-derby-stats?)
Pretty interesting read.

However calling Coutinho "Phil" and Liverpool "'Pool" makes me want to self harm.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 19, 2016, 03:11:17 AM
T'was the night before the derby an all round the house,
Evertonians had tickets because we are all Scouse.
The redshite had beer mats to watch from the pub, to sing in Norwegian about their shit club.
They sing about five times and boast of their fame, which is very amusing as they don't go the game.
We Blues are a class act, a whole breed apart, those gobshites are vermin who smell like a fart.
Their songs are old hat, tired and worn. They are manufactured unlike Blues who are born.
They have so much history, that much is true. But never forget, their history is BLUE.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2016, 03:21:18 AM
The "2 game a season fans" have come out of their caves and are declaring their everlasting love for all things redshite, these cunts make me sick to my stomach, never been to a game but think they know it all
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: april on December 19, 2016, 03:53:37 AM
Christmas shite, awful red shite,
All is fine, with the kopites
Round yon Jurgen, muttering mild
Daniel Sturridge acts like a child
Jordan Henderson bleats,
Jordan Henderson bleats.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 19, 2016, 05:21:21 AM
been chatting to a guy online, really nice and that, but just found out he is a red, so ive blocked him. Because im a BITTER BLOO
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 19, 2016, 05:44:58 AM
Last Season.. the shite were supposed to win the league, but the very next game they threw it away,
This year, to save them from more tears, they decided to buy a new keeper (keeper)

Ivanovic bitten, then Suarez said 'bye,
No more Europe, And G-La's contract, expired and left to die
Tell me Stevie - have you forgot that slip to Chelsea?
Well it's been a couple years - it doesn't surprise me.

Last week, (a bung) they wrapped it up and sent it,
With a death threat to Mike Dean for a pen - they meant it
Now I know we could never win,
And with the Sky mafia there too, we'd be pissing in the wind.

Last season...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 19, 2016, 05:57:20 AM
Can you stop this song stuff please it's terrible
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 19, 2016, 06:13:07 AM
Can you stop this song stuff please it's terrible

Agreed Barp.






Stop! in the name of love
Before you break my heart...
Stop! In the name of love
Before you break my heart...
I'm talking Bar r r r rley
Think it o o o over Koemie
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: DannyR on December 19, 2016, 01:20:18 PM
Dreading this, in the office with 2 of them.

If we start the game like the arsenal game ended I'll be happy with that, they're gonna try come as us, so we need to be fast and exploit the terrible defence they have.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: dchans on December 19, 2016, 01:34:45 PM
My whole dealership are basically red cunts - unfortunately I'm away on recovery from leg surgery so will have to resort to texting them every time we score!
Soooooo need to batter these arrogant twats this time
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 19, 2016, 03:30:20 PM
Morning Fellow Blues, rise and shine. Don't fret or feel sick about tonight. Embrace that anxiety and turn it into positive energy. All of you lucky enough to be going tonight sing your hearts out, make it hostile, put the shits up those bunch of cunts from across the park. Make Goodison rock!!!!! COYB!!!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 19, 2016, 03:32:07 PM
Dreading this
I'm hungover to death and got this on the fucking horizon
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cyberduck on December 19, 2016, 03:50:24 PM
Don't fret or feel sick about tonight.

Sorry I can't do that.

I'd give 2 of the Arsenal points back for a guarantee of a draw against the RS.

I can't see us being able to play in the way we need to to get a draw/win. We need to defend deeply and play long balls. Let them have the lions share of possession. The trouble is the discipline tends to go in the heat of the atmosphere.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2016, 03:51:41 PM
I'm dying today, man flu has taken me, fuck off Everton
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 19, 2016, 04:07:04 PM
Sorry I can't do that.

I'd give 2 of the Arsenal points back for a guarantee of a draw against the RS.

awful this
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Eddie on December 19, 2016, 04:08:02 PM
I fancy us to get something IF we start with the same fight, determination and intensity we showed for 70 mins v arsenal. If we stand off for the first 20 mins and play like a gang of shithouses we'll be 2-3 down before HT.

Ball's in our court on this one i feel. Major worry having Mori at cb though...don't rate him at all.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 19, 2016, 04:12:46 PM
Bit annoyed Mike Dean is reffing this.

Bah.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 19, 2016, 04:25:23 PM
Just been having a look at some of our famous wins against these on youtube over the last 20/30 years to get into the mood, and to remind myself that it is actually possible to beat these dickheads.

It's helped a fair bit.

We've gotta start beating them again sometime, and let's be honest it's probably not gonna happen at Anfield barring a miracle, so why not tonight.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Alanvideo on December 19, 2016, 04:34:01 PM
I'm expecting a dodgy pen against us and at least one red card. The week has seen a few soft decisions ,Sissoko ,Ibrahimovic ,Rojo could all have been sent off. Tonight's ref will no doubt want to make a name for himself.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 19, 2016, 04:35:57 PM
The thing is, with this ref having Liverpool connections, will he over compensate and let a few things go for us you think?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 19, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
The thing is, with this ref having Liverpool connections, will he over compensate and let a few things go for us you think?

No.

That is not kopite behaviour.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2016, 05:04:37 PM
So am I right in saying that the majority of us are once again fearing the worst here, typical of every Derby day really isn't it
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 19, 2016, 05:06:21 PM
So am I right in saying that the majority of us are once again fearing the worst here, typical of every Derby day really isn't it

id say most think we will win, looking at the prediction thread. If it wasnt for the Arsenal game, i expect we all would be ready to lose, but after that game, the hope to win this one is back. Like BD says, we have to beat them eventually, why not tonight?!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 19, 2016, 05:09:33 PM
Im expecting a loss.

But then again as I have stated in previous threads there has never been a derby I have gone into believing we will win so it doesn't really matter.

Just hope we give it a go and show some pride at the minimum
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 19, 2016, 05:26:37 PM
I'm worried
I think they are set up well, pacy, direct and work their arses off

Also, they are actually quite good now too
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 19, 2016, 05:29:07 PM
A pretty fundamental problem is that their team has goals in it. Ours doesn't.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 19, 2016, 05:41:22 PM
Although they are still dodgy as fuck at the back, if you can get at them.

On the negative side, they're very capable of blitzing a team with 3 goals in 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2016, 05:47:47 PM
Fucking stop it please, I'm terrified enough
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 19, 2016, 05:49:42 PM
they still have Cherry juice in their undergarments.  All hope is not lost.

But....yeah, I'm prepared to be very, very angry.  And the bickering asshole teenagers in my house aren't helping matters any.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Stumpy on December 19, 2016, 05:56:06 PM
Bit annoyed Mike Dean is reffing this.

Bah.

Yea,i'm worried to death about this guy.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Faceatthefence on December 19, 2016, 06:03:43 PM
4 points from man u and the arse,whats different here tonight.Come on,the team will be ready so should we.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: formerKHL on December 19, 2016, 06:08:35 PM
don't know the score but will predict...

Liverpool get a  penalty

at least 1 everton player sent off..

mike dean tries to take over the game...

sky pundits all have a quick flick over klopp...

if they win sky go on about it all week...

if we win...it'll be old chip paper by tomorrow....
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
Yeah I'm really looking forward to sky with their cameras on Klopp at every opportunity
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: mikey_blue on December 19, 2016, 06:22:18 PM
Fuck today right off.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 19, 2016, 06:22:51 PM
Hope someone finds time to have a word with the team before kick off for a change.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: djws1788 on December 19, 2016, 06:24:42 PM
the other half is a red, won't hear the end of it if we lose.

let's have these blues
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 19, 2016, 06:27:45 PM
the other half is a red, won't hear the end of it if we lose.

let's have these blues

Let's hope you have reason to rib your other half for a change.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: di_guyo on December 19, 2016, 06:33:23 PM
Random question, but I'm having to head straight from work, will I be alright with a laptop in a bag?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 19, 2016, 06:38:46 PM

the other half is a red, won't hear the end of it if we lose.

let's have these blues

Poor form that lad, you should always convert them
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: DannyR on December 19, 2016, 06:40:01 PM
Poor form that lad, you should always convert them
Failing that just get rid lad
Title: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: djws1788 on December 19, 2016, 06:48:15 PM
Poor form that lad, you should always convert them

beggars can't be choosers and all that. tried getting her away from the dark side but no luck. did however get her to come to singapore to watch us in preseason 2 seasons ago and convinced her to call our dog Barkley, so i'm getting there slowly but surely.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2016, 07:00:30 PM
There was an incident at my lads under 13's chrimbo party yesterday, the dj was a bit if a prick and kept ripping into the kids with Everton kit's on, quite a few parents told him to behave, he kept saying its only banter etc, then he decided to play that fucking song at the end didnt he, the place emptied within seconds
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tony Clifton on December 19, 2016, 07:39:07 PM
We are going to bend these fuckers over tonight.  That is all.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 19, 2016, 08:12:47 PM
There was an incident at my lads under 13's chrimbo party yesterday, the dj was a bit if a prick and kept ripping into the kids with Everton kit's on, quite a few parents told him to behave, he kept saying its only banter etc, then he decided to play that fucking song at the end didnt he, the place emptied within seconds

Should have emptied him in seconds.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: sam of the south on December 19, 2016, 08:27:19 PM
Should have emptied him in seconds.

Post of the day, again 👊
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 19, 2016, 08:29:18 PM
We are going to bend these fuckers over tonight.  That is all.

Thats more like it yeah I'm on board now. We are gonna do them 6-0
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 19, 2016, 08:32:52 PM
I am also quite confident.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2016, 08:45:18 PM
I'm tempted to sack the match off and watch The Champ again, they both make me cry as much as each other.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 19, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
I find watching the game on mute does wonders for my mental state, those commentators on sky or bt sports really wind me up , I also don't have to hear those rs cunts singing their shit songs (i'm convinced the tv companies put extra microphones in front of rs fans).

So if we score i'll turn the sound back on and give it large myself , then back to mute until the game is safe

When we lose i'll just turn off tv and I'm done with Everton for a few days.

If we win i'm throwing the finger at anything rs on the telly , i'll also watch the match again with the sound on for all of it

Ya I know i'm a weird fucker :)
 



Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 19, 2016, 09:06:30 PM
Got to laugh or cry. I can't make my mind up with all the half full half empty  glass posts on here atm.  I put it down to 'nirves' :)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 19, 2016, 09:06:47 PM
Should have emptied him in seconds.

Derby thread and mentions of a DJ getting twatted and Gerrard isn't even involved anymore.

On a side note, I've got the shits.  Yay!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cyberduck on December 19, 2016, 09:15:36 PM
I find watching the game on mute does wonders for my mental state

I watch every game on mute. May be tempted to turn the sound back on after about 30 minutes when they are usually done with the onslaught of prepared stats. or talking about football in general. In the second half you can turn on sooner. If we score I'll turn on for a bit too.

I don't know who decided we need commentators. In the good old days it was just to identify the player.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 19, 2016, 09:22:27 PM
Derby thread and mentions of a DJ getting twatted and Gerrard isn't even involved anymore.

On a side note, I've got the shits.  Yay!




Don't forget to charge all your gadgets up just in case you're caught short.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Big Nev on December 19, 2016, 09:34:57 PM
There was an incident at my lads under 13's chrimbo party yesterday, the dj was a bit if a prick and kept ripping into the kids with Everton kit's on, quite a few parents told him to behave, he kept saying its only banter etc, then he decided to play that fucking song at the end didnt he, the place emptied within seconds

I went to Moscow with Liverpool Swim Team in the 90's.

The Russians were well into singing.
Our team Captain, who I still see occasionally, got the team (20 of us) onto the stage and started that bloody song.
Me and 3 brothers , all blues, just got off the stage and walked outside, were it was -25C
The Russians just couldn't believe it.

The best thing was when the Russian team came to Liverpool the following year, we asked both Everton and the Shite for stadium tours. The Shite wanted £25 each, even when we told them the guys were from Russia and couldn't afford that much. Everton said come on down, and when we explained who they were, took them on a guided tour and also had a buffet lunch laid on afterwards.

The Liverpool Swim Captain just couldn't believe his Club had let him down so badly. All the Russian lads went home with Everton Shirts.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 19, 2016, 10:31:39 PM
I have a video of a dozen juventus fans being taught "kopites are gobshites" but can never post it as they are high ranking politicians now
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 19, 2016, 10:36:44 PM
Derby thread and mentions of a DJ getting twatted and Gerrard isn't even involved anymore.

On a side note, I've got the shits.  Yay!

I can't get a bit of work done, not a single non-Derby thought can stay in my head.  Now that you've mentioned Slippy G...the RAGE consumes me.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Trowel on December 19, 2016, 10:38:52 PM
Cracking programming build up from Sky Sports today:

- Gerrard bio
- Liverpool's team of the 70s/80s
- Everton's team of 84/85
- Carragher bio
- Owen bio
- Heskey bio
- Fowler bio
- Carragher bio (repeat)
- Bernie Eccleston interview (random, assume it's in the same bottom drawer)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 19, 2016, 10:42:44 PM
Cracking programming build up from Sky Sports today:

- Gerrard bio
- Liverpool's team of the 70s/80s
- Everton's team of 84/85
- Carragher bio
- Owen bio
- Heskey bio
- Fowler bio
- Carragher bio (repeat)
- Bernie Eccleston interview (random, assume it's in the same bottom drawer)

Bit biased putting all those blues on with only Heskey and Bernie to counter it..
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 19, 2016, 10:48:02 PM
Quote
Ooooh... ex-Liverpool and Everton star Don Hutchinson has been stoking the flames of rivalry this afternoon. He just told Sky Sports:

"You talk about the history here. When you're retired and you come back to old-fashioned grounds like this... Goodison Park...an amazing place to play. The atmosphere is actually better at Goodison Park than Anfield. Completely different atmosphere."

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 19, 2016, 10:49:50 PM
Bit biased putting all those blues on with only Heskey and Bernie to counter it..

Lol
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: MmmblueBernard on December 19, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
Off to hospital so probs gonna miss the game. Eek.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Alanvideo on December 19, 2016, 11:00:33 PM
..........yes I heard that Macca , The Don sounded quite posh like . nod
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 19, 2016, 11:09:45 PM
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/gary-neville-films-liverpools-jamie-carragher-calling-everton-little-bastards-video/
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tinga on December 19, 2016, 11:46:30 PM
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/gary-neville-films-liverpools-jamie-carragher-calling-everton-little-bastards-video/

He speaks just like any scouse Liverpool fan to be honest. It's a road that goes both ways also.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 19, 2016, 11:49:14 PM
He speaks just like any scouse Liverpool fan to be honest. It's a road that goes both ways also.

Yeah defo. Quite funny if anything, especially Neville trying to stitch him up.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 19, 2016, 11:50:54 PM
Got no problem with that.

Rather that than they be patronising and pretend they "quite like Everton".
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 19, 2016, 11:57:40 PM
Carragher is sound.

Gerrard is not
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 19, 2016, 11:59:49 PM
Off to hospital so probs gonna miss the game. Eek.

No one seems bothered but hope your OK :)
Title: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Django on December 20, 2016, 12:14:36 AM
Koeman's gone 3 at the back.

Holgate Williams Mori
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 20, 2016, 12:15:35 AM
Koeman's gone 3 at the back.

Holgate Williams Mori

We shall see at 7pm, that seems like a big call!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 12:16:39 AM
Adrian Durham spouting shiite again, saying Barkley should join the shite
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 20, 2016, 12:28:02 AM
Adrian Durham spouting shiite again, saying Barkley should join the shite

He is purposefully controversial because it sparks debate, opinions and phone-ins. Ignore him, it's an old-fashioned version of click-bait.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 12:32:49 AM
Koeman's gone 3 at the back.

Holgate Williams Mori

Fucking hope not
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 12:34:32 AM
Toe to toe, 3 on 3 at the back?  No thanks
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 12:40:35 AM
I actually think it makes sense with our players, it's just whether we are sufficiently able to play the system properly, and have worked on it enough. The Spurs game it worked pretty well, but obviously the Chelsea game it was disastrous.

A lot of pressure on Baines and Coleman to have massive games, if it's true.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 12:46:59 AM
Three at the back would worry me with Mori charging out from the back to miss a tackle and leave a big hole where he should have been.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ell Capitan on December 20, 2016, 12:51:18 AM
Three at the back would worry me with Mori charging out from the back to miss a tackle and leave a big hole where he should have been.

Probably better he does that in a back 3 than a back 2?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 12:54:00 AM
It is the lack of pressing our players do that worries me more.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 12:55:00 AM
Three at the back would worry me with Mori charging out from the back to miss a tackle and leave a big hole where he should have been.

Don't worry. He's equally capable of doing something insane in our usual setup.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 12:55:15 AM
It is the lack of pressing our players do that worries me more.

This, I'm already panicking about the amount of space we will give them
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 12:58:44 AM
This, I'm already panicking about the amount of space we will give them

I was saying to a few of my kopite mates that we are pretty much to a tee, Liverpools ideal opponents, as we literally don't the slightest bit of pressing what so ever, I just hope because of the occasion we do so but we don't have the players for it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 01:00:06 AM
I was saying to a few of my kopite mates that we are pretty much to a tee, Liverpools ideal opponents, as we literally don't the slightest bit of pressing what so ever, I just hope because of the occasion we do so but we don't have the players for it.

We know they can do it, cos they did it for 70 minutes a few days ago and it worked. If they don't do that again, in the most feverish atmosphere of the season, they can get to fuck.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 01:01:19 AM
Mori in for Jagielka is  only change from Arsenal game
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 20, 2016, 01:01:19 AM
Same team Mori for Jags
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 01:01:56 AM
We know they can do it, cos they did it for 70 minutes a few days ago and it worked. If they don't do that again, in the most feverish atmosphere of the season, they can get to fuck.

Indeed, there can be no excuse at all for them not at least giving it a good go tonight.

Still haven't done it over 90 minutes yet this season, hoping this is the game.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 01:02:02 AM
Kenny on the bench. No deulofeu. Ron doesn't fancy him in my view.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 20, 2016, 01:02:52 AM
Koeman's gone 3 at the back.

Holgate Williams Mori

Classic made up twitter rumours!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 01:03:20 AM
Kenny on the bench. No deulofeu. Ron doesn't fancy him in my view.

Bit disappointed there.

I know he has been largely awful this season but surely you would think he would be good for a 15-20 minute cameo at the end?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 01:04:53 AM
Liverpool's ideal opponent would be someone who needlessly dicks around with the ball at the back. Which is why the slaughtered us at the end of last season.

Koeman's challenge is to find a way to get the ball forward without playing into their pressure. Their left flank is there for the taking if we can play Deulofeu/Lukaku/Lennon/Valencia/whoever into space over there.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 20, 2016, 01:05:27 AM
Bit disappointed there.

I know he has been largely awful this season but surely you would think he would be good for a 15-20 minute cameo at the end?

All he'd do is pick it up, run to the edge of the box, lose it.

Repeat x5
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 01:06:43 AM
Liverpool's ideal opponent would be someone who needlessly dicks around with the ball at the back. Which is why the slaughtered us at the end of last season.

Koeman's challenge is to find a way to get the ball forward without playing into their pressure. Their left flank is there for the taking if we can play Deulofeu/Lukaku/Lennon/Valencia/whoever into space over there.

You always manage to calm me down and make more level headed at times like this Kramer0, thanks mate, haha.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 01:08:57 AM
think we will get bummed again
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 01:09:53 AM
Sensible to keep the team as last week as much as possible
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 01:13:27 AM
Nice balanced start on Sky. Five minutes on why Liverpool are boss, and 5 minutes on why Everton are shite.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 01:14:08 AM
Sensible to keep the team as last week as much as possible

just depends how they start if we start like last week we will be 3 down in the first half
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 01:14:36 AM
You always manage to calm me down and make more level headed at times like this Kramer0, thanks mate, haha.

No problem.

I still think we'll lose but Koeman has managed against and beaten Klopp before so I don't expect us to get embarrassed like last season.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 01:14:51 AM
Nice balanced start on Sky. Five minutes on why Liverpool are boss, and 5 minutes on why Everton are shite.

Was a fair analysis by carragher on everton though to be fair and the issues with our defence sitting to deep
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 01:15:23 AM
if anyone wants a link the norwiegans have some http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=323139.0
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 01:16:19 AM
Nice balanced start on Sky. Five minutes on why Liverpool are boss, and 5 minutes on why Everton are shite.

Is it weird that I'm starting to enjoy the fact that nobody really gives a fuck about us?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 20, 2016, 01:19:10 AM
 Far too quiet around the ground tonight
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 01:20:10 AM
Far too quiet around the ground tonight

Very nervy isn't it
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 01:21:51 AM
Kenny on the bench. No deulofeu. Ron doesn't fancy him in my view.

Must be injured otherwise he'd have had an attacking sub instead of a defender if he just doesn't like him.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 01:22:32 AM
Far too quiet around the ground tonight

Wasn't much traffic coming up from town compared to last week.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 01:23:06 AM
Pub is tense
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2016, 01:24:06 AM
Pub is tense
Pub is hot
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 01:27:41 AM
Have we really not won since 2010? Christ i hadn't realised it was so long.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 01:34:49 AM
I think Matip being out is potentially a big positive for us.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 01:38:06 AM
I worry about our defenders - they can't play the ball to each other under pressure.  And they will be under pressure.  I think it will go long and be lost.  McCarthy is OK without the ball but terrible on it.  We need our central midfield to provide an option to the defence to accept the ball but McCarthy is worst possible option there.  We need bravery in being prepared to accept, and indeed ask for/demand the ball.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 01:39:36 AM
I always think Klopp looks like he'll stink of cigar smoke for some reason.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 01:40:42 AM
http://goatdee.net/179892/watch-everton-vs-liverpool Streamage
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 01:41:34 AM
That bench is a little threadbare in terms of attacking options.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 01:43:32 AM
I worry about our defenders - they can't play the ball to each other under pressure.  And they will be under pressure.  I think it will go long and be lost.  McCarthy is OK without the ball but terrible on it.  We need our central midfield to provide an option to the defence to accept the ball but McCarthy is worst possible option there.  We need bravery in being prepared to accept, and indeed ask for/demand the ball.

All they need to do is play it into the channels effectively.

I don't think we'll see much short distribution tonight. We aren't good enough to pass and move through the press like Sevilla did in the Europa final last season and Koeman knows it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 01:43:51 AM
I worry about our defenders - they can't play the ball to each other under pressure.  And they will be under pressure.  I think it will go long and be lost.  McCarthy is OK without the ball but terrible on it.  We need our central midfield to provide an option to the defence to accept the ball but McCarthy is worst possible option there.  We need bravery in being prepared to accept, and indeed ask for/demand the ball.

We'll play a lot of long balls. Koeman pretty much just said as much. Hopefully we can get Valencia up along side Rom to win some second balls, and pressure them. Long ball is a legitimate tactic against gegenpressing. Even Pep's used it before.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 20, 2016, 01:45:06 AM
I always think Klopp looks like he'll stink of cigar smoke for some reason.
I think he always looks like he'll stink of piss.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: chang on December 20, 2016, 01:45:10 AM
I think McCarthy will have a Carsley moment and score the winner.......
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 20, 2016, 01:45:28 AM
I think Matip being out is potentially a big positive for us.

A really good player.

Don't think it has much effect because they will outscore us whatever we do, but we've got a better chance of hurting them.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 01:45:32 AM
On the ale and in work at 8 tomorrow.

Praying we don't win tbh
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 01:46:14 AM
Getting excited now.  :D
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cantoffee on December 20, 2016, 01:46:17 AM
Not sure I'll actually get a chance to see this.

I'm in Barbados on holiday so hopefully the dodgy wifi and phone combo comes through for me!

COYB! Let's fucking have these soft as cunts and their goofy dickhead manager!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 20, 2016, 01:46:25 AM
This 3d formation review thing is a bit freaky.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 01:47:18 AM
We'll play a lot of long balls. Koeman pretty much just said as much. Hopefully we can get Valencia up along side Rom to win some second balls, and pressure them. Long ball is a legitimate tactic against gegenpressing. Even Pep's used it before.

Fucking gegenpressing. I hate modern football sometimes
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 01:50:43 AM
We'll play a lot of long balls. Koeman pretty much just said as much. Hopefully we can get Valencia up along side Rom to win some second balls, and pressure them. Long ball is a legitimate tactic against gegenpressing. Even Pep's used it before.

Yeah, Guardiola totally owned Leverkusen by dropping Xabi Alonso deep and having him play passes over the top to Robben et al. One of the luxuries of having players with Alonso's class on the ball.

Of course, Schmidt/Leverkusen completely took Alonso out of the game the next time they played and Guardiola/Bayern didn't really have an answer for that. Klopp seems like more of an aesthete than Schmidt, though.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 01:50:52 AM
What's that Klavan actually like?

Shame we don't have any pacey players, if he is shite like, I dunno if he is or not.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 01:53:09 AM
Yeah, Guardiola totally owned Leverkusen by dropping Xabi Alonso deep and having him play passes over the top to Robben et al. One of the luxuries of having players with Alonso's class on the ball.

Of course, Schmidt/Leverkusen completely took Alonso out of the game the next time they played and Guardiola/Bayern didn't really have an answer for that. Klopp seems like more of an aesthete than Schmidt, though.

He also did it against Klopp's Dortmund, shoved Javi Martinez just behind the striker and played long ball up to him, as a simple way of breaking the press. We need Rom to be in beast mode, and to rough them up.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 01:53:19 AM
Think we'll need two to score at least two tonight to get anything from this but we should be well capable of that against their weak defence.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 01:54:36 AM
Their front 3 scares me, lot of pace there
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: farnhamtoffee on December 20, 2016, 01:55:05 AM
Has anyone got a stream?????????????????
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: chang on December 20, 2016, 01:56:39 AM
3 wins in last 33 for us .... grim that and apparently the grass is too long!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 01:56:51 AM
Leighton Baines captain, Aaron Lennon has had a shave. Started off well.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 01:57:49 AM
He also did it against Klopp's Dortmund, shoved Javi Martinez just behind the striker and played long ball up to him, as a simple way of breaking the press. We need Rom to be in beast mode, and to rough them up.

This is what Rom doesn't do enough of, it is like he can't be bothered.

He SHOULD be every bit the battering ram style striker.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 01:59:08 AM
He also did it against Klopp's Dortmund, shoved Javi Martinez just behind the striker and played long ball up to him, as a simple way of breaking the press. We need Rom to be in beast mode, and to rough them up.

Forgot about that one! Good match and it's always fascinating when Guardiola does something super pragmatic.

We're going to need a proper target man sometime in the near future. There are plenty of games where we're going to be outclassed on the ground and Koeman has shown an ability to win via long balls given the right personnel. Plus, the man loves a cross.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: velimski on December 20, 2016, 02:00:07 AM
I always think Klopp looks like he'll stink of cigar smoke for some reason.

could be his ash coloured beard.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 02:00:21 AM
as usual, NBCSN focused quite nicely on us, and how special the atmosphere is at Goodison for a Derby.  Now let's tear Klopp a new arsehole, that faux-hipster, paedo-looking douchebag.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: chang on December 20, 2016, 02:00:32 AM
Has anyone got a stream?????????????????


http://goatdee.net/179892/watch-everton-vs-liverpool
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 20, 2016, 02:05:52 AM
Streams?

(struggling with yours @chang (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=154) )
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 20, 2016, 02:06:42 AM
Great pressing so far!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 02:06:45 AM
We are certainly playing with purpose
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 02:06:51 AM

http://goatdee.net/179892/watch-everton-vs-liverpool Streamage
super so far
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 02:07:15 AM
We've actually started a game at a decent tempo!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 02:09:34 AM
Bit harsh?? He pushes Baines and then controls it with his arm. Dixon is a bit of a fool isnt he
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 02:11:09 AM
Barkley half asleep
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 02:13:04 AM
Id appreciate it if Enner Valencia never took a free kick again.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 02:13:37 AM
Flaminho is built like a baghead he needs to behave
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 02:14:01 AM
That's one of those times where you wish Baines would just take control and say "fuck off, I'm on this".
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ball8y on December 20, 2016, 02:14:38 AM
When did the Vermin sign Kim Jong il?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 02:15:17 AM
Ross looks a bit shaky tonight. Kinda tentative with the ball.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 02:16:11 AM
Lukaku looks interested
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 02:18:35 AM
Its nice of the commentators to remind us we havent beat these for a while every fucking 5 mins isnt it
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 02:21:36 AM
at least the players look interested today
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 02:21:44 AM
Worst thing about watching on a stream is trying to stay 2 minutes behind when checking in here. Good first 20
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 02:21:49 AM
Good blues pressure this.
Unless Ross picks this up I can't see him lasting the game.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 02:22:06 AM
Loving the 'HOOOOF' shouts!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: stirlingblue on December 20, 2016, 02:22:57 AM
Valencia looks like a pretty poor footballer, but his attitude is just what we need at the minute
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 20, 2016, 02:24:46 AM
super so far

I can't get this to work - any help?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: christiffa25 on December 20, 2016, 02:25:25 AM
Fuck me valencia is shit
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 02:27:13 AM
decent performance so far, what i like to see this
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 02:27:24 AM
I can't get this to work - any help?

if it aint broke:
sportsdevil
cric 3
SS1
perfect...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 02:27:35 AM

I can't get this to work - any help?
It came on easily enough for me. Wait till the X in the blue box pops up on the ads and click them. I was able to press the screen enlarge button without clearing the last ad
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: stirlingblue on December 20, 2016, 02:28:19 AM
Wijnaldum never scored in a premier league away match apparently, get her bets on lads
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 20, 2016, 02:30:08 AM
if it aint broke:
sportsdevil
cric 3
SS1
perfect...

thanks!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 02:30:23 AM
Come on Everton, we seem to have lost a bit of that momentum
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 02:30:46 AM
Blimey, can that Firmino's teeth get any whiter? He looks like a turtle with false teeth in it's gob.

I hope this isn't gonna be one of those games where we get loads of pressure with very little at the end of it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Zoolander on December 20, 2016, 02:31:45 AM
Decent start - some passion and look like we want it
Bit having a pop at him but if we had a decent player (better player) of Valencia's ilk we'd be dangerous
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 02:31:55 AM
Bit of a worry that Barkley looked fucked after about 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 02:32:03 AM
thanks!
that's cricfree of course...my shorthand :)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: christiffa25 on December 20, 2016, 02:32:41 AM
Lukaku can't hold up shit
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 02:32:59 AM
Funes Mori taking Origi's lunch money there!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: christiffa25 on December 20, 2016, 02:33:21 AM
Bit of a worry that Barkley looked fucked after about 20 minutes.

Because he has to do all lukaku's running as well
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 02:33:37 AM
Fatman scoop in the family enclosure
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 02:33:53 AM
Rough and tumble football
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Zoolander on December 20, 2016, 02:34:41 AM
Winal, wijnal, winul
Anyway
He looks decent for them
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 02:34:44 AM
Does Lukaku ever win headers??? The guy is about 18 foot tall, what's up with him?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 02:35:55 AM
Not much on offer up top so far for either side
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 20, 2016, 02:36:38 AM
Damn! Had 2 streams go down on me now!

At work so can't use Kodi
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ball8y on December 20, 2016, 02:36:41 AM
Like I said during the Arsenal game, Warwick Davies would out jump Lukaku
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 02:37:21 AM
Delighted it's not one of the games with the microphones only picking up away fans. Great noise
Title: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 02:37:51 AM
My impression of Mike Dean:




























...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ari on December 20, 2016, 02:38:16 AM
HANDerson
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 02:38:27 AM
Damn! Had 2 streams go down on me now!

At work so can't use Kodi
ah...sorry todd :(
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 02:40:07 AM
McCarthy has been brilliant here.

Hope it's just a knock.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 02:42:36 AM
Having a real go here. Better team so far without really threatening. McCarthy, Gueye and Coleman have all been great. We just dont seem to quite have a picture of what we want to do when we get on the edge of their area. Lots of players running down blind alleys. Finally seem to have got the message in terms of pressing and agression as a team
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 02:44:02 AM
Oh for an Andy King like goal in this game.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 02:44:05 AM
Valencia however seems great at winning headers! And he works his bollocks off, pity he hasn't got a few more good traits as he'd be awesome
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 02:45:29 AM
For the love of god someone fix barkleys shirt.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2016, 02:46:42 AM
Massive lack of quality in the final third holding us back.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ball8y on December 20, 2016, 02:47:07 AM
Screaming in agony at having Ross tug on his shirt.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 02:47:10 AM
Not bad so far, anyone's guess how the second part will pan out, strange game this
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Danny on December 20, 2016, 02:47:44 AM
Damn! Had 2 streams go down on me now!

At work so can't use Kodi

Watched the whole first half on this... http://www.navixsport.com/sport.php?id=2410User_TresPiedras

No lag or buffering.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Zoolander on December 20, 2016, 02:48:03 AM
Screaming in agony at having Ross tug on his shirt.
Ridiculous the pathetic fool
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: School of Science on December 20, 2016, 02:48:17 AM
Overall been the better team, but we need more efforts on goal. Origi is the original dying swan. Would swap Mirallas for Valencia though second half.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 20, 2016, 02:48:33 AM
Got it back in time to see the players leaving the pitch here - http://www.totalsportek.com/highlights/liverpool-vs-everton-match/

From the snatches I've seen it looks quite intense, but with very little quality end product - is that fair?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 02:48:43 AM
Quite pleased with that so far. We are lacking quality going forward though.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: april on December 20, 2016, 02:49:14 AM
Liking Valencia's positivity. COYB!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Redartin on December 20, 2016, 02:49:20 AM
Damn! Had 2 streams go down on me now!

At work so can't use Kodi
http://livesport.pw/SkySports1.html
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 02:49:27 AM
Well at least they haven't flown out of the traps and tonked us like I thought they where going too.

My only worry is, fitness is massive for them lot and they will last the whole 90 where as I don't believe we will.

Got the makings of a 1-0 just hope it is us who gets the goal like.

Really gonna be a nervy second 45.

They are bright second half starters as statistics show, we just need to keep them at bay like we have done the long ball hasn't been too bad.

Just a shame Valencia doesn't have that much quality as his attitude is second to none.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 02:49:29 AM
Lukaku is such a paradox.

Decent half other than that really.

 
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 02:49:40 AM
0-0 is a very fair score line so far. The players are definitely up for this but we need to do much better in attack. Looks like Liverpool are doing a good job containing Lukaku. Valencia's energy has been good.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 02:49:49 AM
Pressing well and having lots of the ball in good area but rom has been horrendous at holding it up and challenging for headers
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 20, 2016, 02:50:03 AM
we need Lukaku to hold the ball up better and lay it off better, been fucking shite at it AGAIN, Ross needs to do a bit of magic too around the box if we are to beat these
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blue1948 on December 20, 2016, 02:50:16 AM
ah...sorry todd :(
Can you go on -Firstrowsports -direct without using kodi
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 20, 2016, 02:50:33 AM
Watched the whole first half on this... http://www.navixsport.com/sport.php?id=2410User_TresPiedras

No lag or buffering.

Cheers bro - thanks for the help - at the moment it is saying ""VISITORS LIMIT IS REACHED FOR THIS MATCH - PLEASE TRY MINUTES LATER
CLOSE THIS ERROR" but I will keep refreshing and trying!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: DanDan on December 20, 2016, 02:51:04 AM
Klavan can't handle Rom it's just his passing once he holds it up that's letting us down
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 02:51:07 AM
They are better on the ball but we are grafting to fuck. Like this Everton it's not very skillful but there's something there to grasp hold of. Barkley is really starting to get the work that needs to go into every game this season.

Valencia is fucking nuts, it's like he's stepped into Bolasie's shoes. Good first half performance we just need a chance to break clear for Lukaku as I wouldn't change a lot.

And again has Mc Carthy found God or something? He's been fucking immense, it's like he is reborn.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 02:51:09 AM
I'm usually slagging off Lukaku everywhere but I thought he's been alright.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tinga on December 20, 2016, 02:51:41 AM
How are these third in the league? Fucking hell they're poor.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 02:51:47 AM
Thought we lost control of it in the last 15-20 mins. The two deep midfielders were doing a lot of pressing out of position, a sign that the front four weren't making the right defensive movements. Still, they didn't really threaten.

We played well in the first 25 so hopefully we can revert to that after the restart.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 02:51:58 AM
I think Lukaku's grafted hard, and won a lot of balls. Need to be picking that second ball up much better, but overall pretty pleased with that.

McCarthy and Gana immense in the middle.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cassius on December 20, 2016, 02:53:26 AM
Got it back in time to see the players leaving the pitch here - http://www.totalsportek.com/highlights/liverpool-vs-everton-match/

From the snatches I've seen it looks quite intense, but with very little quality end product - is that fair?

Spot on.

I would say that we had the better of the first half, although no real clear cut chances for either side.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 02:53:28 AM

For the love of god someone fix barkleys shirt.
did we see what happened? I missed the first 5 mins and it was already like that
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 02:53:29 AM
Lukaku's been unlucky and he's got 3 on him at times. People say he doesn't win headers. It's much easier to win a header facing a ball relatively static from defence than flicking on and challenging on the move.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 02:53:39 AM
Can you go on -Firstrowsports -direct without using kodi

yes. search firstrow.eu
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 02:53:51 AM
Lukakus done better but he just never seems to distribute it properly.

HE always looks so unbalanced when he has the ball which is strange for a man his size.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 02:55:03 AM
I'd get Barry on for Barkley on the 60.

Give us a bit more control in the middle
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 02:55:17 AM
I think Mirallas might be a good change. He's usually well up for these game. Not sure who I'd take off, probably Lennon on balance, although he's worked back really well to stop Clyne.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 02:55:34 AM
thought we played well, but not easy to see where a goal will come from. still hopeful...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 02:55:35 AM
I'd get Barry on for Barkley on the 60.

Give us a bit more control in the middle

Only if we are winning.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 02:56:52 AM
I love Lennon as he tracks back more than any other of our wingers.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 02:57:48 AM
How are these third in the league? Fucking hell they're poor.

How poor have we been then if we're in 9th?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 02:58:30 AM
I love Lennon as he tracks back more than any other of our wingers.

Kinda wish he'd sometimes hang back and let them follow him a little more. Got to appreciate his work rate though.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 02:58:41 AM
I think Mirallas might be a good change. He's usually well up for these game. Not sure who I'd take off, probably Lennon on balance, although he's worked back really well to stop Clyne.

I want to agree but he'd just get sent off. He can't keep his head.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 02:58:57 AM
I'd get Barry on for Barkley on the 60.

Give us a bit more control in the middle

Barkley's size and strength have really allowed us to stay up the pitch. A lot of the action is happening near the sidelines which means lots of throw ins and he's our main target from those. Unless they push a centre back way up to mark him (which they won't do), he can beat Henderson/Wijnaldum/Lallana in the air every time and flick the ball into space for Rom/Lennon/Valencia to clean up.

I think we need Barkley on the pitch to win this. We're not going to win this game by controlling the ball; we're going to win with our physicality and by controlling space.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 02:59:20 AM
Looks like Barry in for McCarthy. Shame for McCarthy.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 20, 2016, 02:59:22 AM
First 30 minutes was everything you'd want bar a goal.  Lost a bit as we tired after that, but hopefully we can start the second half as we did the first and then bring on fresh legs.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 02:59:55 AM
Barry coming on by the looks bit of a blow but might add the quality we have lacked @TheRam (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) spoke of.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:01:05 AM
Shame that.

McCarthy is the only one who really has a pressing game.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 20, 2016, 03:01:09 AM
Lukakus done better but he just never seems to distribute it properly.

HE always looks so unbalanced when he has the ball which is strange for a man his size.

He's looked isolated though - pumping balls up to him and the only person in the same postcode is Barkley
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 03:01:42 AM
That's a blow
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:02:41 AM
I think Barry for McCarthy is a huge downgrade in this sort of battle. McCarthy covers space quickly and his grafting has won us a lot of 50/50s.

I'd love a Barry master class but I don't think this game is really set up for him to do what he does well.

Edit: Why is Cleverley even on the bench?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 20, 2016, 03:02:55 AM
Chicken's with no heads... I hope our fitness can last another half. Little end product for me.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:02:58 AM
We will be fine.  Lennon tracking back already helps plenty.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cassius on December 20, 2016, 03:04:05 AM
Gutted for McCarthy, done everything we've been wanting him to do.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:04:48 AM
Looking messy. Come on blue boys.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:05:31 AM
Need Lukaku to hold it up better and give us an out ball.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:06:54 AM
Mike Dean and crew are determined to do as little as possible.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 03:07:05 AM
kinell....
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 03:07:06 AM
We seem to be losing it a bit
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:07:10 AM
Funes Mori massive fuckup, then he saves us with the block.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:07:46 AM
On the ropes
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:07:49 AM
Instant difference now Mccarthy has gone off. No pressing.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 03:08:10 AM
fucking sort it out, look aweful since the break
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:08:21 AM
Missing McCarthy already, it's like they've an extra man in midfield.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:08:21 AM
Me bottles gone now.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:09:00 AM
Need to ride this out, come on lads
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:09:17 AM
Jeez, Rom is looking increasingly isolated and can't hold the ball up and a few of them are playing like they have clogs on.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 03:09:18 AM
Valencia needs to come off
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:09:35 AM
I guess the Shite had their halftime beak...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 03:10:13 AM
'counts number of red shirts...'
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:10:19 AM
Gonna be tough this half.

They will  come at us.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ball8y on December 20, 2016, 03:10:39 AM
Klippity must have promised them all a nice bum in his half time love-in
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:10:42 AM
Every time Lukaku's touch lets them nick it off him. Not good enough.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 20, 2016, 03:11:35 AM
They're getting all the knock one and second balls. Lukaku is too isolated so can't give it to anyone...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 03:11:51 AM
Valencia is all over the place we need Mirallas now a bit more of a goal threat
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:12:29 AM
'counts number of red shirts...'

yeah, can we throw the challenge flag for too many men on the pitch?? :D
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:13:15 AM
Klippity must have promised them all a nice bum in his half time love-in

choice of position in post-match circle jerk??
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:13:32 AM
Mike Dean (to Lovren): Are you really going to make me do something?

(pulls out yellow card)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 03:14:44 AM
yeah, can we throw the challenge flag for too many men on the pitch?? :D

bit overwhelming for a while. still not settled...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:14:45 AM
Good news, Bainesy almost scored!

You don't wanna know the bad news...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 20, 2016, 03:15:01 AM
Valencia looks concussed this half.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 03:15:54 AM
Great defending from baines that
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:16:02 AM
Good news, Bainesy almost scored!

You don't wanna know the bad news...

He did the right thing.

It was good pressure by Mane to get a touch. That's what almost steered it in.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 03:16:09 AM
Sooner or later they will over-commit. They always do. Get Kev on for Valencia and we should get some opportunities on the counter.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:16:18 AM
TAKE HIM OFF
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 03:17:19 AM
Stek should be off, he doesn't look good.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:17:26 AM
He did the right thing.

It was good pressure by Mane to get a touch. That's what almost steered it in.

oh, absolutely agreed was right thing.  Didn't see the touch.  Baines my MotM so far.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 03:17:36 AM
TAKE HIM OFF

Robles though
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:17:48 AM
Is this wise?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:18:09 AM
Why is Stek still on??? He can hardly move??
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:18:30 AM
Robles though

Yeah, and who's the "oh fuck" option with Jags suspended??
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:18:43 AM
Here comes Robles to save the day.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:18:48 AM
Big Joel is coming on.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 03:19:03 AM
For fucks sake.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:19:09 AM
Oh joy.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 03:19:23 AM
Oh god it's Robles
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:19:38 AM
good thing re Joel, he won't overthink coming in cold to a massive, scoreless Derby...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 03:20:02 AM
fuck sake this is all we need
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 03:20:04 AM
Could've had a sweet 30 minutes of the young striker there
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:20:08 AM
Robles is ok, give him a chance.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:20:10 AM
The stoppage time from this will play right into their hands.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 03:20:10 AM
Looks like he's gonna cry.

So do I with Robles coming on.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:20:29 AM
2 subs already, not ideal.

Al least we've taken the sting out of the game for now though hopefully
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cantoffee on December 20, 2016, 03:21:28 AM
Valencia looks gassed.

Need to replace him I think.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 03:21:58 AM
To be fair a healthy Robles is a better option than Stekelenberg on one leg!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:22:02 AM
Given us a breather this, should get a second wind now. COYB !!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 03:22:07 AM
Robles is ok, give him a chance.

he had a chanve last year
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:22:30 AM
Rom auditioning for bambi on ice there.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:22:34 AM
Too many gaps opening up in our back areas.

Soon as Rom gets some time on the ball he gets swarmed.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:22:42 AM
old school footy, we get one tactical change!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:23:01 AM
Could be difficult later on to press though with only one sub left, we could tire quite badly
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Redartin on December 20, 2016, 03:23:08 AM
That's the long and short of it
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:23:37 AM
he had a chanve last year

Did well when Stek was out previously.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:25:04 AM
I love a good derby bust-up, however unproductive it is.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: dchans on December 20, 2016, 03:25:28 AM
Fuck off dean you prick
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:25:45 AM
Good this bust up, get the crowd going.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 20, 2016, 03:25:54 AM
Perfect tackle for me that.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:26:02 AM
Christ was that a red from Barkley? That looked bad on the replay
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: velimski on December 20, 2016, 03:26:04 AM
Ross can consider himself a very lucky boy.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 03:26:17 AM
Lovely work from Barkley there
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:26:22 AM
That's a shocker by Barkley but it's on Hendo so we'll move along. ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:27:08 AM
Jeez Ross.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:27:42 AM
Is there any level of shirt grabbing that Mike Dean considers unacceptable?





The answer is no.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:27:43 AM
Did he just fall onto Barry's arse then?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 03:27:50 AM
valencia been doing well at holding the ball up

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: dchans on December 20, 2016, 03:28:38 AM
And that twat needs a booking for that hair cut

Jesus fucking wept
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2016, 03:28:40 AM
Good luck, DCL!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Zoolander on December 20, 2016, 03:29:13 AM
Refs losing the plot here
Title: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:29:18 AM
"Dominic the Striker."

But okay, you have to admit it has a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:29:24 AM
Come on DCL!

Make a name for yaself lad!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 03:30:11 AM
DCL coming on. Has anyone seen much of him?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:30:17 AM
Go on Dom lad, made for a new hero this...
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ball8y on December 20, 2016, 03:30:34 AM
Has that Mane lad got adverts on the soles of his boots?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:31:14 AM
Blimey, was ready to erupt then!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:31:24 AM
Gueye is absolutely awesome at winning the ball, what a buy he has been
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:31:38 AM
DCL needs to get up front, no time in midfield for him.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: chang on December 20, 2016, 03:31:42 AM
Decent shift from Valencia I thought.

Now, COYBs !
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:31:57 AM
Must have hurt his feelings, all of us bitching about Koeman not trusting the youth.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 03:33:17 AM
And my stream's gone down the swanny
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:34:14 AM
He's here, he's there, he's fucking everywhere Gana Gueye, Gana Gueye...........
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: chang on December 20, 2016, 03:34:55 AM
Lennon to play full game, has he ever done that before.......
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:35:22 AM
Frustrating this. Not holding the ball enough.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:35:29 AM
We're getting dicked now, need to offer something up front, we're camped in our own half
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:36:14 AM
Right, yeh, Sturridge is on. That makes sense. You just know that chump is gonna come on and score.

Yes Joel!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:36:20 AM
JOEL!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Goaljira on December 20, 2016, 03:36:21 AM
Fucking save there Joel!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:36:22 AM
Fucksake, here's this wiggly armed twat coming on.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:36:25 AM
Not sure the young lad was the right sub here.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:36:27 AM
This has been a great left back performance from Aaron Lennon.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:36:31 AM
What a save lad
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 20, 2016, 03:36:50 AM
Save from Joel !!

Wobbly arms to come on and score his first this year you watch !
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 03:37:11 AM
Seems like a matter of time
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 03:37:28 AM
more depressing by the minute...and fuck, how did he save that!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 03:37:36 AM
Wow. That's a great save by Robles.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:37:37 AM
Still slagging Joel then ?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 03:38:08 AM
Fucking great save that
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:38:21 AM
Circle the wagons men.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:38:26 AM
Thank god for that, we're under the cosh big time
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 03:38:55 AM
fucking alamo now :(
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 03:39:10 AM
Lukaku with one of the worst target man performances Iv ever seen
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 03:39:27 AM
Hanging on now. We just lack a little quality in the attacking positions. We cant maintain the energy without having more of the ball. Least we are working ourselves to death though
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 03:39:42 AM
Still slagging Joel then ?

he has made one good save dont get ahead of urself, its not like he is neville southall
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:39:50 AM
Our attack is non existent at the minute
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:39:58 AM
This has been a great left back performance from Aaron Lennon.

I would play him there straight up ahead of Oviedo now.  I'm sold.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 03:40:03 AM
Quite possibly the worst home derby performance in a decade.  This is fucking dreadful.  Have a go for fucks sake
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: chang on December 20, 2016, 03:40:10 AM
"All I want for Christmas is a shot at their goal" ......
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ball8y on December 20, 2016, 03:40:14 AM
I see the vermin are flooding the BBC boards with their "offended by everything" quotes
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:40:36 AM
Tell that Hendo tit to do one Ross.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 03:41:07 AM
Quite possibly the worst home derby performance in a decade.  This is fucking dreadful.  Have a go for fucks sake

Think weve been fine. Nothing wrong with being pragmatic now we are tired and trying for the draw
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:41:13 AM
We need to get the ball on the deck, it's not sticking just lumping.

I fucking hate Henderson and his false hardman act.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 03:41:27 AM
Barkley a bit lucky there you'd say. Needs to keep his head.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:41:29 AM
I would sign off on Barkley going Duncan Ferguson on Henderson, as much as it would leave us in the shit.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:41:57 AM
Messy now. We are just surviving.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:42:00 AM
It's in the post if we don't get hold of the ball, ridiculous this
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 03:42:10 AM
now we are tired and trying for the draw

Since the 25th minute?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2016, 03:43:23 AM
Think weve been fine. Nothing wrong with being pragmatic now we are tired and trying for the draw

Two defensive subs due to injury clearly weren't part of the plan.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:43:52 AM
he has made one good save dont get ahead of urself, its not like he is neville southall

You were ahead of yerself slagging the lad. He couldve won us a point with that save.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:44:23 AM
How much added time is the question?
The only thing going for us is tackling and that's only because I want to see them get kicked about.
Title: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 03:45:09 AM
Current plan:

- Defend like mad.
- Maybe win a corner or free kick?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 03:45:20 AM
The Barry sub killed our momentum not Barry's fault but it's sapped the energy out of our midfield
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:45:27 AM
Been garbage this half
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:45:59 AM
Think Cleverley shouldve come on here not DCL.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 03:46:10 AM
You were ahead of yerself slagging the lad. He couldve won us a point with that save.

he was awful last year

gonna take more than one save to win me round
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 03:46:15 AM
We are tired because we put a lot of effort in. That's what everyone wanted.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:46:28 AM
Can we just hold the ball for a bit please?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:46:59 AM
Firmino needs to take that train ticket out of his mouth.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:47:03 AM
Ah good, just the 8 minutes.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 03:47:12 AM
FFS do we have 8 minutes in us?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:47:16 AM
8 MINUTES??!! Oh shit
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:47:31 AM
Stop lumping it up the park ffs!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 20, 2016, 03:47:35 AM
There must be a challenge to see who can have the most ridiculous hair cut at the shite, ffs they look right twats
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 03:47:39 AM
I want to die
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:47:58 AM
8 minutes?! Jeez.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:47:59 AM
What 8 ... Klopp got them that the moaning cunt.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 03:48:05 AM
Fuck off you rat faced lesbian
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 03:48:49 AM
That's woeful.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:48:51 AM
Fuck off you rat faced lesbian

Thanks. I needed a laugh!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 03:49:00 AM
Barkley and Lukaku have let us down really.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:49:14 AM
Sums up our second half really.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 03:50:22 AM
Sums up our second half really.
What?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:50:29 AM
just hold on, lads.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: april on December 20, 2016, 03:50:46 AM
Just had an awful realisation: Barkley's a bit, well, James Milner, isn't he?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 20, 2016, 03:50:57 AM
Just fuck off !!!!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:51:00 AM
Been coming for ages
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:51:01 AM
godfuckingdamnit
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: dchans on December 20, 2016, 03:51:06 AM
Gash
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:51:07 AM
Woeful.
Pathetic.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:51:13 AM
If only we had a striker to hold the ball up and give the defence a break.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 03:51:16 AM
There goes our fucking confidence
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: april on December 20, 2016, 03:51:19 AM
Oh crap. I hate them so much.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blob on December 20, 2016, 03:51:21 AM
how fucking inevitable is that. bollocks.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 03:51:34 AM
F fff
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Danny on December 20, 2016, 03:51:40 AM
Gang of fucking cunts, wasted my life watching derbys.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 03:51:42 AM
Been coming all 2nd half.  Thanks you shithouses
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 03:51:46 AM
fuck off
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:51:50 AM
Cunts
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:52:06 AM
Didn't I tell you. Stoppage time will come back to haunt us.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sixx1402 on December 20, 2016, 03:52:17 AM
Night then lads, rubbish
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:52:20 AM
Classy fans there with that flare.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 03:52:27 AM
To lose on a weak-ass bullshit goal like that.  Just fuck them right in the eye.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ball8y on December 20, 2016, 03:52:31 AM
fuck right off
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: mikey_blue on December 20, 2016, 03:52:58 AM
Of course that would happen
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 03:53:14 AM
Cursed
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 03:53:26 AM
Pathetic
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 20, 2016, 03:53:33 AM
Knew it was coming .doesnt make it any less depressing

We will actually never beat these again in our history
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:53:33 AM
Im not sure about the DCL sub.

Should have put kev on no attacking at the end at all there.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 03:53:40 AM
Weird as it is to say but we lost our way once McCarthy went off. Our midfield seemed to lack intensity since the first half.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 03:54:12 AM
We've defended pretty well and that was a big slice of luck for their goal but playing the percentages is not a recipe for winning many games at all
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Zoolander on December 20, 2016, 03:54:16 AM
Standard
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 03:54:35 AM
You were ahead of yerself slagging the lad. He couldve won us a point with that save.

won us fuck all aint he
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 03:54:48 AM
Good by Coleman, but it won't matter sadly.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 03:55:01 AM
Have we even had a shot?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Sir Stealth on December 20, 2016, 03:55:01 AM
We just shouldn't have let him have that initial shot Sturridge

Barkley fucking up that free kick was dreadful
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 03:55:09 AM
The subs done us.

We will never beat these again.

Set for a lifetime  of absolute misery.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 03:55:17 AM
It's bizarre. We're a proper sound club who do so much good stuff and we get shat on by the universe over and over again, and the evil bastards get every conceivable bit of fortune that you can think of.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Everton Mint on December 20, 2016, 03:55:28 AM
won us fuck all aint he

Shut it prick.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 03:55:45 AM
Hard to take when we grafted for 90 odd minutes but the lack of quality has told in the end.  I have no issue with how we tried to play that but it's abundantly clear we need fresh blood. 
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: april on December 20, 2016, 03:55:50 AM
Why does our team go to pieces so often in a derby?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 03:57:01 AM
I don't think we have gone to pieces. I think we've just tired, they're fitter and losing McCarthy killed us in the middle. Barry's been like a rabbit in headlights.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 03:57:04 AM
Gash.

Er...can they be docked points for that flare incident? Please?
To be honest, we deserved sod all from that game. But to lose like that is just annoying.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 03:57:23 AM
Been a really poor second half. Some excuse for the drop off due to the enforced subs but not to this extent.

Sh*t, same as ever.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 03:57:37 AM
Defended fine. We just dont have any real quality in the attacking positions. Lukaku Barkley Mirallas (I know he didnt play) just arent good enough. The ball doesnt stick. We dont have enough quality possession. None of them would be remotely near playing for a top competitive team. Lukaku and Barkley have both worked hard today but they havent been close to techinally good enough
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Risky on December 20, 2016, 03:57:46 AM
Hard to argue that they didn't deserve to win in the end, but fuck me yet another sickening way to lose
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: velimski on December 20, 2016, 03:57:48 AM
Got we deserved I think.

Totally outplayed in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: chang on December 20, 2016, 03:57:56 AM
We have had no attempts at goal second half - there in lies a huge issue when playing anywhere, let alone at home.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hannu on December 20, 2016, 03:58:14 AM
Shut it prick.

stop ya crying ta blurt

and just accept he is shit and u got it wrong with ur shitty keeper
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 03:58:34 AM
One win in 20 games against this shite.  Only we could have our local neighbours as our bogey side.  Merry fucking xmas
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cantoffee on December 20, 2016, 03:58:43 AM
Robles has to save and hold that.

His positioning is horrendous. Fucking depressing.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Zoolander on December 20, 2016, 03:58:48 AM
Agree with previous posters that we missed McCarthy - didn't think I'd say that
Also Valencia's industry was missed to be honest
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 03:59:24 AM
happy with the effort but not happy that we can't hold the ball for even just 2-3 minutes in the last bit there to calm play down and get into it a little. Mentality is weak!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 03:59:26 AM
we were shite and got what we deserved. Our attacking plan seemed to be nothing more than to wang it in to the channels.

McCarthy going off didn't help but we lost the initiative around the 30 minute mark anyway.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 03:59:35 AM
Sad to say kinda numb to this sort of result. You'd think a late winner would really be a kick in the nads but it's happened so many times it's kinda depressing but just not unexpected anymore.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 03:59:45 AM
I have to question the DCL sub.

I like the lad getting a chance but him coming on did absolutely nothing to alter the game.

Kevin should have been on to at least give us SOME attacking threat.

A combination of stoppage time and sturridge was always gonna do us.

The game hinged on McCarthy going off.

No pressing at all after that, we need players in the window who are gonna graft, press and push, that was the WORST I have ever seen us play in terms of attacking, we did NOTHING, what was the game plan? Still think Del should have been on the bench.

I get that we had to lose a sub based on the keeper but it was just poor planning.

They could quite easily win the league off this, we needed to at least get them to draw to kill it off.

I am beginning to think we will just never beat the ever again, always them, always fucking them, where is our last minute winner?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 04:00:03 AM
Good effort but don't get too down. We weren't good enough by a long stretch.

All the deficiencies we knew about were on show. There were no surprises.

We need much more quality and that will come.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 04:00:07 AM
Oh God, now that bloody Apple advert is on and then Klopp will be on, bag o' shite!
Stupid Everton.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2016, 04:00:17 AM
McCarthy going off was a big blow. You've got to make your dominance count. For 30 minutes we played them off the park but had no one to utilise it. No issue with the way we played tonight. We need new players and I think the last few games have shown McCarthy may have a future still at the club.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2016, 04:00:44 AM
Oh and Alan Smith is a know nothing cunt. Terrible co commentator
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 04:01:12 AM
Lads, they're not shite. They're second in the table and on for a title push.

Our energy and defensive organisation was excellent and should've earned us a point, but we got another cruel moment against us.

What can you do, except swallow it and accept that life will continually shit on you from a great height as an Evertonian?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 20, 2016, 04:01:17 AM
massive 3 points for them and they deserved it, we needed to score early when we were on top, they bossed that 2nd half
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: School of Science on December 20, 2016, 04:01:32 AM
They were simply better than us in the second half, hate admitting it but it's true, we lost our shape and legs when McCarthy went off. Of course Satan ensured the rebound off the  post, landed by their quickest player. Hate this fixture more than any other, can you think of any other derby match were the result is so one sided ? I fucking can't.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tinga on December 20, 2016, 04:01:56 AM
We're dogshite. The tactic of booting it up to a non existent Lukaku really annoys the tits off me. It just doesn't work and if I can see that, Why is Koeman persisting with it?.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 04:02:06 AM
Don't think they had to really do much to win the game either.

We were very ineffective and our attacking play was so predictable and blunt. Did we actually have a shot on target the whole game?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: fubarruk on December 20, 2016, 04:02:16 AM
Given up ever beating them cunts again.

That being said, didn't do enough to win it tonight either. Absolutely zero threat in final 3rd yet again
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 04:02:16 AM
Can't question the result I'm afraid.

A real shame because the Everton fans were in great voice and the team looked like it was battling, but our attacking options are just not good enough.

2 weeks before the transfer window opens!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 04:02:53 AM
Koeman and Lukaku don't mix.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cantoffee on December 20, 2016, 04:03:19 AM
Agree that the DCL sub was probably the wrong one. Valencia needed to come off as he was tired but Mirallas has got to be your option there given how poor going forward we were.

They were much better than us in the second half but losing late to a soft goal like that was poor.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: christiffa25 on December 20, 2016, 04:03:34 AM
Defended fine. We just dont have any real quality in the attacking positions. Lukaku Barkley Mirallas (I know he didnt play) just arent good enough. The ball doesnt stick. We dont have enough quality possession. None of them would be remotely near playing for a top competitive team. Lukaku and Barkley have both worked hard today but they havent been close to techinally good enough

Yet these players ripped teams apart under a different manager. For all his faults as manager our attacking threat with these same players was 10x better than it is now.

I'm sorry but koemans tactics and style of play are abismal. You can't expect players like barkley and lukaku to thrive when there playing in tactics and a set up which is against everything there good at as players.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 04:03:44 AM
Koeman and Lukaku don't mix.

Don't think Koeman mixes with any of them to be honest.

I am certain he isn't telling them to play this way, they just refuse to adapt.

Need flushing out, lots of them.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Paddockoldie on December 20, 2016, 04:03:48 AM
I knew that cunt sturridge would have something on us when he came on. Thought we deserved the draw but not much else
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 20, 2016, 04:03:55 AM
Oh and Alan Smith is a no nothing cunt. Terrible co commentator

Genuinely amazes me that he's still on Sky.

Fucking dreadful.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 04:03:59 AM
Our energy and defensive organisation was excellent and should've earned us a point, but we got another cruel moment against us.

Don't agree.

If we had any sort of quality we can hold possession for a few minutes to calm down play and re group.

But we don't and the wall we built all game inevitably comes down.

It wasn't one moment. It was 45+ minutes of play leading to that.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tinga on December 20, 2016, 04:04:18 AM
Don't think Koeman mixes with any of them to be honest.

I am certain he isn't telling them to play this way, they just refuse to adapt.

Need flushing out, lots of them.

I wouldn't be sad if Koeman got sacked. It looks knee jerked but he's just not doing it for me.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 04:04:23 AM
Watching them celebrate just then at the end is funny. Yeh, well done. Last minute scruff of a goal against our gashness.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: chang on December 20, 2016, 04:04:34 AM
I have to question the DCL sub.

I like the lad getting a chance but him coming on did absolutely nothing to alter the game.

Kevin should have been on to at least give us SOME attacking threat.

A combination of stoppage time and sturridge was always gonna do us.

The game hinged on McCarthy going off.

No pressing at all after that, we need players in the window who are gonna graft, press and push, that was the WORST I have ever seen us play in terms of attacking, we did NOTHING, what was the game plan? Still think Del should have been on the bench.

I get that we had to lose a sub based on the keeper but it was just poor planning.

They could quite easily win the league off this, we needed to at least get them to draw to kill it off.

I am beginning to think we will just never beat the ever again, always them, always fucking them, where is our last minute winner?

Agreed

Not in my humble opinion - they would expect to beat us, they will only make ground on Chelsea by beating teams in the top 4
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: School of Science on December 20, 2016, 04:04:52 AM
Showing Klopp and the shite players celebrating like they've just won the league....Very surprising as this is a fixture that .Evans nothing to them.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: djws1788 on December 20, 2016, 04:05:02 AM
two weeks ago, thought we were in for a battering. almost think this feels worse thanks to the comedy duo of Robles and Mori.

didn't deserve to win but didn't deserve to be beaten by such a shite goal after a decent 93 minutes defending prior.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Toddacelli on December 20, 2016, 04:05:06 AM
You know at the end of games when refs give the losing side one last push before they blow?

Dean gave us fucking ages and we couldn't move it forwards out of our half towards our more advanced players.

Therein lies the problem.

Got what we deserved. Tempted to say we deserved a draw for hanging on but...  clutching at straws with that I think.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 04:05:18 AM
Don't agree.

If we had any sort of quality we can hold possession for a few minutes to calm down play and re group.

But we don't and the wall we built all game inevitably comes down.

It wasn't one moment. It was 45+ minutes of play leading to that.

That's what Barry is supposed to provide but ultimately he was completely overrun and lost out there. We were doing just fine til McCarthy went off.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Zoolander on December 20, 2016, 04:06:03 AM
Cunts

Sorry but swearing makes me feel better
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 04:06:16 AM
Mirallas has done fuck all this season.

Can't get behind the shouts of bringing him on.

Whilst we were hindered with the injuries that was an awful second half performance.

32% possession ffs. What style of football is Koeman trying to create here?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:06:18 AM
Yet these players ripped teams apart under a different manager. For all his faults as manager our attacking threat with these same players was 10x better than it is now.

I'm sorry but koemans tactics and style of play are abismal. You can't expect players like barkley and lukaku to thrive when there playing in tactics and a set up which is against everything there good at as players.



When did we ever rip apart a team in 2nd?

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 04:06:19 AM
I wouldn't be sad if Koeman got sacked. It looks knee jerked but he's just not doing it for me.

You've lost the plot there.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 04:06:38 AM
McCarthy going off wrecked our game plan entirely. We controlled territory fairly well with him on the pitch; we didn't control it at all without him.

Barry, as much as I respect him, can't play in games like this anymore, not without extra protection.

Cleverley shouldn't be on the bench anymore; there's no role in this team that suits him.

Davies should have been on the bench here. Young as he is, he's the only fit player in the squad that could have reasonably covered for the forced McCarthy substitution.

Bitter pill to swallow but this has been the derby script for awhile. Even when it looks like we might get some kind of result, there's always a gut-punch around the corner.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 04:07:08 AM
McCarthy going off was massive.

Once again those cunts getting a slice of luck with the only player who presses going off.

I just fucking hate everything, It annoys me that something like this effects your life and you can't help it.

Just fuck off.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 04:07:32 AM
We was doing 'fine' at holding onto the game as they wasn't playing very well. We created nothing.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: DanDan on December 20, 2016, 04:07:38 AM
Stek is such a fuckng pussy!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:07:40 AM
Mirallas has done fuck all this season.

Can't get behind the shouts of bringing him on.

Whilst we were hindered with the injuries that was an awful second half performance.

32% possession ffs. What style of football is Koeman trying to create here?

Not that.

We've gone from terrible form to battling to beat Arsenal and trying to get something from one of the form teams in the league.

We're not going to be playing great football in this game.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on December 20, 2016, 04:07:55 AM
I've been away for the last week.

When did we re-hire Martinez as our manager?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tinga on December 20, 2016, 04:08:21 AM
You've lost the plot there.

Not really. It's not like we look any better, especially since we can only play for 20-30 minutes a game. I'm not saying he should be sacked but I wouldn't be arsed in the slightest if he did.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:08:29 AM
Can't miss Mori's chance either.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 04:08:48 AM
McCarthy going off was massive.

Once again those cunts getting a slice of luck with the only player who presses going off.

I just fucking hate everything, It annoys me that something like this effects your life and you can't help it.

Just fuck off.

Yep, sums it up for me and football in general really.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 04:08:57 AM
I've been away for the last week.

When did we re-hire Martinez as our manager?

That was as far away from a Martinez performance as is physically possible.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 04:09:13 AM
The sub, unfortunately should have been cleverly on
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: djws1788 on December 20, 2016, 04:09:14 AM
I've been away for the last week.

When did we re-hire Martinez as our manager?

we shipped 4 last time we played that lot under him and it could have been a cricket score. defensively we look a lot better, just nothing up front.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 04:09:25 AM
That's what Barry is supposed to provide but ultimately he was completely overrun and lost out there. We were doing just fine til McCarthy went off.

Yes. Fine.

It's the us being beat by "one moment" comment I disagree with.

We're very weak mentally, and have very poor quality on the ball overall. We aren't very good.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 20, 2016, 04:09:37 AM
Dont understand Valencia being taken off he was doing well for me anyway
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 04:10:11 AM
Did we have a shot on target the whole game?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 04:10:34 AM
Not that.

We've gone from terrible form to battling to beat Arsenal and trying to get something from one of the form teams in the league.

We're not going to be playing great football in this game.

I agree.

But some spells of possession in the second half would've been nice.

The ball wasn't sticking to Lukaku and we persisted with the tactic. Just like in a lot of games that have gone before today.

Lack of composure and creativity in the middle. Suppose you've gotta give Koeman time to get players in to improve upon that.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tinga on December 20, 2016, 04:10:37 AM
Did we have a shot on target the whole game?

1.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 04:10:39 AM
It was painful to see us not being able to do a simple pass out seemed as when we got it the whole team just panicked and hoofed it, just eye gougingly painful to watch.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 04:10:49 AM
Certainly McCarthy coming off had an impact on our game however I thought Liverpool were getting more and more into the game in the last 15-20 minutes of that half.

Koeman will need to work on getting the players' fragile confidence back for the Leicester game.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 04:10:58 AM
For me, first half, promising but not enough chances but still promising.
Second half, total shite. Couldn't hold the ball at all. I think defensively they were effective at shutting us down. But quality wise not nearly enough.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 04:11:01 AM
 Lukaku couldn't hold up a single ball. Shocking as a target man. And I fear this should be Barry's last season too. If we want a pressing game he's not the man for us. Our attacking threat is embarrassing
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 04:11:35 AM
Yes. Fine.

It's the us being beat by "one moment" comment I disagree with.

We're very weak mentally, and have very poor quality on the ball overall. We aren't very good.

But we knew that. We're not great on the ball, until we get better players. Tonight was always gonna be about scrapping and trying to nick a goal or two. We're playing the top scorers in the league, and they created almost no clear chances.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 04:11:44 AM
Just nothing ever seems to align does it when it comes to the derby, it is always like something or someone happens that just always goes against us.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 04:12:17 AM
Can this bloke get anymore fawning on Klopp?
Ooh congrats Jurgen, well done Jurgen, touch yer knob Jurgen.
Bollocks.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 04:12:36 AM
People are quick to expect solutions and as usual expected too much after Arsenal. Martinez had one great season, it took Moyes time and will take Koeman time as well to get the team playing in a right way. There's the beginnings of something in the last few games tonight included but it's clear we need significant changes going forward. 
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: toffee_scot on December 20, 2016, 04:12:58 AM
Lukaku couldn't hold up a single ball. Shocking as a target man. And I fear this should be Barry's last season too. If we want a pressing game he's not the man for us. Our attacking threat is embarrassing

I think part of it was well was Liverpool were brilliant at containing him, he sometimes had about 3 players surrounding him.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 04:13:06 AM
Right before fucking Christmas as well.

I am certain the only reason Liverpool exist is to make us unhappy haha.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: christiffa25 on December 20, 2016, 04:13:42 AM
Not really. It's not like we look any better, especially since we can only play for 20-30 minutes a game. I'm not saying he should be sacked but I wouldn't be arsed in the slightest if he did.

Agree with you mate.

I have serious doubts about this guy. Like yourself I'm not calling for his head. But if I woke up to a news report he'd gone I wouldn't be assed.

We're playing the worst football I've seen in over 10 years. And we're shit at it !!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 04:13:51 AM
Don't think Koeman mixes with any of them to be honest.

I am certain he isn't telling them to play this way, they just refuse to adapt.

Need flushing out, lots of them.

In a squad of twenty something there's one common denominator then. Two incidents stood out for me.

Firstly McCarthys injury and break in play and all the players on the pitch are refuelling. The Shite are surrounding Klopp and being instructed, while st the same time all our players are stood drinking and talking amongst themselves with Koeman 5-10 yards away stood passively.

The second was after they scored. There was 3 minutes left and Koeman just turned to his bench and starts conversing with his bother. Not encouraging the team, just more passive emotionless shit.

 
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: djws1788 on December 20, 2016, 04:14:04 AM
6am over here, wouldn't mind a do over on today already
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Inchy on December 20, 2016, 04:14:07 AM
Right before fucking Christmas as well.

I am certain the only reason Liverpool exist is to make us unhappy haha.

All because of rent!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 04:14:53 AM
Lukaku isn't a target man, you play him as such and you are totally wasting his talents.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: duncandisorderly on December 20, 2016, 04:15:32 AM
McCarthy going off wrecked our game plan entirely. We controlled territory fairly well with him on the pitch; we didn't control it at all without him.

Barry, as much as I respect him, can't play in games like this anymore, not without extra protection.

Cleverley shouldn't be on the bench anymore; there's no role in this team that suits him.

Davies should have been on the bench here. Young as he is, he's the only fit player in the squad that could have reasonably covered for the forced McCarthy substitution.

Bitter pill to swallow but this has been the derby script for awhile. Even when it looks like we might get some kind of result, there's always a gut-punch around the corner.
Fully agree with the Barry thing, doesn't suit the high energy game, not mobile enough any more.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:15:37 AM
I agree.

But some spells of possession in the second half would've been nice.

The ball wasn't sticking to Lukaku and we persisted with the tactic. Just like in a lot of games that have gone before today.

Lack of composure and creativity in the middle. Suppose you've gotta give Koeman time to get players in to improve upon that.



Yes.

I don't think losing the ball is the plan or that (just whack it up to Lukaku) that's what we were trying to do.

They're a good side. Probably the first time that their team is better than their individuals in years; it's not easy to play against them on the floor.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on December 20, 2016, 04:15:43 AM
Lukaku scores goals. The problem is he's not consistently decent at any other aspect. A quality side can't have a striker that isn't good in the air, good with his back to goal or has clever movement. We simply lose too much possession because of his limitations.
He worked hard today. Put in a real shift but the quality of his play was poor.

I'm not convinced koeman wants any of our attacking players in the longer term
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 04:16:16 AM
1.

Thanks. Must have missed/forgotten it.

I'd be interested to know how many we've had over the last 6-7 games. Must be ridiculously low.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 04:16:30 AM
In a squad of twenty something there's one common denominator then. Two incidents stood out for me.

Firstly McCarthys injury and break in play and all the players on the pitch are refuelling. The Shite are surrounding Klopp and being instructed, while st the same time all our players are stood drinking and talking amongst themselves with Koeman 5-10 yards away stood passively.

The second was after they scored. There was 3 minutes left and Koeman just turned to his bench and starts conversing with his bother. Not encouraging the team, just more passive emotionless shit.

 

Ian Holloway is vocal on the touchline as well, so's Alan Pardew. It's all pretty irrelevant.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: D3blue on December 20, 2016, 04:16:39 AM
Just have to say we didn't deserve anything out of that game.  No structure.  No possesssion in midfield.  No guile.  No creativity.   We gave the ball away throughout the 2nd half.  Dreadful. 
Did Koeman have any plan or is it all aimless? 
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:17:35 AM
It was painful to see us not being able to do a simple pass out seemed as when we got it the whole team just panicked and hoofed it, just eye gougingly painful to watch.

They're very good at pressing in that area.

One thing we're terrible at is winning free kicks.

You have to be able to break the game up if you're under the cosh.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 04:17:46 AM
Lukaku gets away with murder. Pathetic target man. The isolated defence won't work with me either. He can drop deep and run, doesn't need to stand between the 2 centre backs
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GoodisonPk on December 20, 2016, 04:18:29 AM
If anyone defends Barkley tonight you are blinded by local loyalty. He was nothing but poor....again.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2016, 04:18:41 AM
Grim
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 04:19:17 AM

I think part of it was well was Liverpool were brilliant at containing him, he sometimes had about 3 players surrounding him.
wasn't much to contain. He barely controlled and passed off a single ball. When he's good he's great but when he's bad he's shit
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: christiffa25 on December 20, 2016, 04:19:17 AM
People are quick to expect solutions and as usual expected too much after Arsenal. Martinez had one great season, it took Moyes time and will take Koeman time as well to get the team playing in a right way. There's the beginnings of something in the last few games tonight included but it's clear we need significant changes going forward. 

Really?

I can't see it, I really can't.

The way he seems to want us to play is awful Sam alladyce type football. And we're what waiting for him to spunk a fortune on players who can play that way. Really looking forward to that!

He has no idea how to use half the players here. Good players too. Players that a capable of much more than playing hoof football. 

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 04:19:30 AM
Lukaku gets away with murder. Pathetic target man. The isolated defence won't work with me either. He can drop deep and run, doesn't need to stand between the 2 centre backs

He doesn't need to defend every corner either, Lukaku needs to improve no doubt but he's not our biggest issue right now.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on December 20, 2016, 04:20:27 AM
I don't know if I wanna sell Lukaku. Goal scorers are hard to find.

But between him and Ross B we could get £80-90M and than can get us some good young talent at many positions.

Don't forget that we also have a lot more room than that under FFP rules. Be can rebuild almost from scratch if we want to.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: fubarruk on December 20, 2016, 04:21:04 AM
Lukaku isn't a target man, you play him as such and you are totally wasting his talents.
Agree to an extent.

Completely wasted by just chucking balls up to him and expecting them to stick, it's not his game and he's far better than that.

That being said, he does need to do better, balls just bounce off him and his distribution was shocking tonight.

He doesn't need to be the best target man in the world, but he needs to be able to do the basics at least.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2016, 04:21:06 AM
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 04:21:23 AM
Too many people expecting Koeman to turn water into wine.

We all know we lack quality in a number of areas. For months, we've been asking for effort and togetherness at the very least, until we can get better players in. And in the last week, we've got exactly that.

We're up against the 2nd team in the league (rivals or not), top scorers, and we've ultimately lost to a spawny late goal.

Obviously it's a heartbreaker because it's them, but we just have to swallow it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 04:21:28 AM
He doesn't need to defend every corner either, Lukaku needs to improve no doubt but he's not our biggest issue right now.

I honestly think it is one of the bigger issues. The first half an hour we had loads of the ball in dangerous areas and couldn't do anything with it because lukaku couldn't get into smart positions or hold it up
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2016, 04:21:33 AM
All that happened of note in the whole game is that they showed us what can happen when you can muster an attempt at the oppositions goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 04:21:55 AM
They're very good at pressing in that area.

One thing we're terrible at is winning free kicks.

You have to be able to break the game up if you're under the cosh.

Or hold possession for more than a minute...

We have, yet again, found out another weakness after another loss... The list is getting long.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 04:22:42 AM
Really?

I can't see it, I really can't.

The way he seems to want us to play is awful Sam alladyce type football. And we're what waiting for him to spunk a fortune on players who can play that way. Really looking forward to that!

He has no idea how to use half the players here. Good players too. Players that a capable of much more than playing hoof football. 



No what he's doing is trying to get us through a tough spell by adapting to what he perceives to be our teams weaknesses. He's seen us look physically weak and struggle to press so brought intensity and defending with Valencia and Mc Carthy. He's changed our style to long ball because we have been largely ineffective going forward thanks to the form of our wingers. It's not all working but people poured scorn on Martinez for being stubborn and refusing to make changes. Koeman is making stop gap choices while he creates his team.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:23:03 AM
Really?

I can't see it, I really can't.

The way he seems to want us to play is awful Sam alladyce type football. And we're what waiting for him to spunk a fortune on players who can play that way. Really looking forward to that!

He has no idea how to use half the players here. Good players too. Players that a capable of much more than playing hoof football. 



We've played good football this year when we've played well.

We haven't when we haven't.

He's not a passing fundamentalist like Martinez so we're not going to be doing that if we're not playing well.

You keep saying that he's ruining these players but Lukaku has 9 goals and other players have been patchy for months.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 04:23:53 AM
I'm not convinced koeman wants any of our attacking players in the longer term

Neither do I
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:24:31 AM
We're playing Lennon and Valencia because they work hard.

They have someone like Mane who does that and is a good player.

That's a big difference if you're trying to play this way as one example.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 04:24:56 AM
Ian Holloway is vocal on the touchline as well, so's Alan Pardew. It's all pretty irrelevant.

None of them are consider to be amongst the top 10 football coaches in the world are they.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:26:05 AM
Or hold possession for more than a minute...

We have, yet again, found out another weakness after another loss... The list is getting long.

That's an issue but it's players with low confidence against someone who makes it very very difficult to pass the ball.

That's not a good recipe.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 04:29:35 AM
We've played good football this year when we've played well.

We haven't when we haven't.

He's not a passing fundamentalist like Martinez so we're not going to be doing that if we're not playing well.

You keep saying that he's ruining these players but Lukaku has 9 goals and other players have been patchy for months.

I don't think he's using our current players well enough. The amount of chances we're creating at the moment is frankly pathetic. I'm not entirely sure what he's trying to do other than have two pacey wingers and a target man. He bought Bolasie, we're going after Depay for the other side. Neither really contribute goals regularly so there is a lot of pressure on whoever is up top to score. I thought early in the first half it was more encouraging than we have been more recently as we seemed to be getting more players into the box at least but that seemed to fall off very quickly. As soon as Liverpool started getting forward more we seemed like we were prioritizing the likes of Lennon tracking back than getting forward.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2016, 04:30:01 AM
Tonight just highlighted again the need for half a dozen new players. We all knew it last week but a brittle Arsenal side and a late goal papered over it a little.
The three positions around Lukaku are up for grabs. Even his position probably will be as and when we get an offer that suits everyone.
We lack quality and depth in the middle, need a new keeper and at least one new centre half immediately. Nothing has changed. Tonight just showed that even with giving Koeman the huffing and puffing he wants we still can't muster an attempt on target in the whole 90 minutes at home.

It's still a rebuilding job and it's still gonna take time and a lot of money.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 04:31:33 AM
Why couldn't we have just stayed at Anfield.

None of this would have happened.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 04:31:41 AM
All that happened of note in the whole game is that they showed us what can happen when you can muster an attempt at the oppositions goal.

Just put it on net. Eventually it's gonna go in.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:31:46 AM
None of them are consider to be amongst the top 10 football coaches in the world are they.

Klopp waving like a psychotic windmill doesn't make him a good coach.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2016, 04:34:10 AM
Just put it on net. Eventually it's gonna go in.



It doesn't even need to go in. Just getting into a position to have a shot at goal can create a chance, which is what happened.
We didn't even get into a position to have a shot at their goal, let alone fire one off. Just a lack of quality, nothing the coach can do about that.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 04:34:43 AM
We were fucking shite and there's no getting away from it.

Yes they are quite good but we didn't lay a glove on them over 98 minutes. We're the home side in a derby and that's not acceptable no matter how low on confidence you are or how bad your prior form is.

Our players are a bunch of eunuchs who seemingly refuse to take on new tactical concepts. But ultimately Ron should still be getting more out of them than we've seen over recent weeks.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 04:36:54 AM
I'm devastated - took a lot to not cry when that goal went in. I fucking despise everything about Liverpool and I really think I need to step back from everton football club for now
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 20, 2016, 04:36:55 AM
 Lakaku is like many class goalscorers of the past ...bone idle onless a chance to score is there
we dont have the quality supply up to him to keep him fukin interested enough and keep him sharp and alert
if we need fukin mcarthy to stay on to stand a chance of winning then sorry that shows in itself how far we have
to go before we are any good, nothing against the lad but jesus....not sure about new owner or manager but january
should show if we are in for more of the same or if ambition will show up..
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 04:37:43 AM
We were fucking shite and there's no getting away from it.

Yes they are quite good but we didn't lay a glove on them over 98 minutes. We're the home side in a derby and that's not acceptable no matter how low on confidence you are or how bad your prior form is.

Our players are a bunch of eunuchs who seemingly refuse to take on new tactical concepts. But ultimately Ron should still be getting more out of them than we've seen over recent weeks.

I'm not gonna lie. I had to google that word.
Title: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: mikey_blue on December 20, 2016, 04:37:44 AM
None of them are consider to be amongst the top 10 football coaches in the world are they.

And neither is Koeman. Tevez isn't the best player in the world just because he's getting paid the most.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 04:38:26 AM
People can't seriously believe Lukaku was lazy today? Shite is a fair shout but the effort was certainly there.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 04:38:54 AM
Awful game, sky are happy though, they got what they wanted
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2016, 04:39:03 AM
I don't agree with all the shouts about McCarthy's injury changing the game.

If James McCarthy is the answer there's something wrong with the question.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 04:39:36 AM
Why couldn't we have just stayed at Anfield.

None of this would have happened.

Because it stinks of piss
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2016, 04:39:45 AM
Lakaku is like many class goalscorers of the past ...bone idle onless a chance to score is there
we dont have the quality supply up to him to keep him fukin interested enough and keep him sharp and alert
if we need fukin mcarthy to stay on to stand a chance of winning then sorry that shows in itself how far we have
to go before we are any good, nothing against the lad but jesus....not sure about new owner or manager but january
should show if we are in for more of the same or if ambition will show up..

In a game where you intend to
Press the opposition you need
a player who us good at it to help you. McCarthy is not a flair player, a creator but it takes all types to win a game and his influence was sorely missed. In fact, Liverpool started to get better straight after his injury.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cozzie on December 20, 2016, 04:39:52 AM
I worry now about the players drive given that there is probably no chance of finishing higher than 7th now, no chance we are catching United or Spurs.

What do the players have to play for if that is the end result?

Part of me is now worried that the season will just ebb out into nothing, even with some new buys in Jan.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 04:40:49 AM
I don't agree with all the shouts about McCarthy's injury changing the game.

If James McCarthy is the answer there's something wrong with the question.

Agreed. I seen major panic on his face in the first 20 and he looked to his right for the crab pass and Coleman wasn't there .

We just ran out of steam. Not fit enough to press with that intensity for the full 90
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Hawkandro on December 20, 2016, 04:40:59 AM
McCarthy was the best player in the first half and Barry simply couldn't do the job he had been asked to do when he came on.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 04:42:20 AM
McCarthy was the best player in the first half and Barry simply couldn't do the job he had been asked to do when he came on.

Yet we've just given him a new deal
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Simon Paul on December 20, 2016, 04:42:25 AM
just back now

soaked thanks to the bottle throwing, coin throwing blerts that follow that club - not to mention the one proudly waving the Steaua Bucharest scarf above his head

thoughts from the match: we were both shite, but they were shite because we pressed them so hard in the first half.  we need a first choice goalkeeper, we need a partner for Lukaku, and we need someone who can split open defences with a pass.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 04:42:42 AM
I worry now about the players drive given that there is probably no chance of finishing higher than 7th now, no chance we are catching United or Spurs.

What do the players have to play for if that is the end result?

Part of me is now worried that the season will just ebb out into nothing, even with some new buys in Jan.

7th probably gets Europa League, depending on the cup results. And there's the FA Cup.

Also hopefully just getting some good new players will re-invigorate everything and make us more enjoyable to watch
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: mikey_blue on December 20, 2016, 04:43:32 AM
Lukaku is 14st of muscle. Muscles require lots of oxygen. It's not exactly easy lugging that frame around for 90 minutes, while conserving enough energy for a sprint when he needs it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 04:43:57 AM
I worry now about the players drive given that there is probably no chance of finishing higher than 7th now, no chance we are catching United or Spurs.

What do the players have to play for if that is the end result?

Part of me is now worried that the season will just ebb out into nothing, even with some new buys in Jan.

We are finishing bottom half this season.

I got 20 down on it, and I think it's coming.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jamokachi on December 20, 2016, 04:44:06 AM
Game changed on McCarthy's injury. As soon as that happened we lost our intensity in midfield. Barry just isn't built for it. And against A Liverpool side that is also built on harrying and pressing we really needed McCarthy in there based on his last 135 minutes showing.

The footballing gods were against us tonight. We started well and were probably the better team for most of the first half, admittedly without creating much. Then there was the injury to Stek. I firmly believe that even if he hadn't have pushed the initial shot around the post (Robles positioning was awful!), he would have been up and smothering the rebound. Robles was playing in slow motion, it was an utter garbage sequence of goalkeeping.

But the first half was more evidence of what Koeman is trying to achieve. And as painful a defeat as this is we need to give him time to build a team full of HIS players, plating the way he wants. As he said, that's going to take a few windows.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 04:44:11 AM
Yet we've just given him a new deal

Barry is still very useful in some games and in some situations. Today wasn't one of them, which is why he was on the bench.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 04:44:18 AM
Mc Carthy's injury certainly altered the balance. It wasn't pretty but they weren't bypassing the midfield like the often did second half. Mc Carthy might not be the long term answer but yes that injury did alter the game. Look at the players Koeman has been looking at Sissoko, Schneiderlin. Not exactly flair players but more mobile than a lot of our current midfield.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 20, 2016, 04:46:23 AM
Looking at the bigger picture most would have taken 3 points from the Arsenal and Shite games the way we were playing up to that

We need a minimum of 4 points from the next two games though
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on December 20, 2016, 04:46:41 AM
For many of us the last few seasons were viewed as an underperformed period. What is now clear is that the current starting 11 plus 'good' squad players are clearly not good enough. It'll take this season and perhaps next to move on, we need a new midfield -gueye aside, lukaku will be off and addition to this 2 quality forward players. Lukaku can't play upfront of  his own and won't hang around for long, which I won't be too gutted about. We need consistency and he doesnt offer that. (After the stones saga it may be money well made at £60 million plus).

I would sooner finish below the draining and potless Europa league places to be honest this year, having a season with a new look team focusing domestically before the dreams of European competitions.

We were unlucky tonight, 2 enforced substitutions limited how we could change the game. They barely had a chance and took what they could.

Yep season is over apart from a good cup run and finish top half. But I remain optimistic about the future.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 04:47:25 AM
Barry is still very useful in some games and in some situations. Today wasn't one of them, which is why he was on the bench.

If Koeman wants to play this high energy pressing game, I really can't see why he's been given a new deal.  There's no legs in the middle when he's in there.  The brain is still there, but unfortunately the legs aren't.  Been a great servant for us since he came, but can't understand this for the life of me
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 20, 2016, 04:48:35 AM
If Koeman wants to play this high energy pressing game, I really can't see why he's been given a new deal.  There's no legs in the middle when he's in there.  The brain is still there, but unfortunately the legs aren't.  Been a great servant for us since he came, but can't understand this for the life of me

He'll do fine against the other shite teams in the league
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 04:48:40 AM
If Koeman wants to play this high energy pressing game, I really can't see why he's been given a new deal.  There's no legs in the middle when he's in there.  The brain is still there, but unfortunately the legs aren't.  Been a great servant for us since he came, but can't understand this for the life of me

He's had a couple of sub par games. It's not like he's done a Distin.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 04:49:32 AM
If Koeman wants to play this high energy pressing game, I really can't see why he's been given a new deal.  There's no legs in the middle when he's in there.  The brain is still there, but unfortunately the legs aren't.  Been a great servant for us since he came, but can't understand this for the life of me

It's only for one more season, no?

If McCarthy, and god please Darren Gibson, are shown the door we will need a player like him on the bench. He's not bad out there against teams like Hull.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 04:49:46 AM
Wonder what fatman scoop thought of the match.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jamokachi on December 20, 2016, 04:50:08 AM
If Koeman wants to play this high energy pressing game, I really can't see why he's been given a new deal.  There's no legs in the middle when he's in there.  The brain is still there, but unfortunately the legs aren't.  Been a great servant for us since he came, but can't understand this for the life of me

TO BE A SQUAD PLAYER

This really isn't a difficult concept. Not every game will be played at tonight's tempo!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 20, 2016, 04:51:08 AM
In a game where you intend to
Press the opposition you need
a player who us good at it to help you. McCarthy is not a flair player, a creator but it takes all types to win a game and his influence was sorely missed. In fact, Liverpool started to get better straight after his injury.
            They got a much easier passage into attack after Valencia went off also he was having a good game, like i said ive nothing against Mcarthy but it shows up the lack of depth and options in our squad which cant be changed till next month obviously , lets hope Koeman has
been furiously working to identify all needed players and our new money man is ready to part with the dosh he will need....
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 04:51:24 AM
He's had a couple of sub par games. It's not like he's done a Distin.

I'm not saying he has.  Surely a replacement could be found by the end of the summer tho?  He is about our highest earner IIRC
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueToffee on December 20, 2016, 04:52:23 AM
It's just all a bit crap at the moment sadly.

I know that's not a useful comment but we're just nowhere right now.

The single hope is that we have money to spend. That's it literally it, as it's hard to have much faith in the players or manager at this juncture. However, who are we going to spend it on is the question.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 04:52:33 AM
I'm not saying he has.  Surely a replacement could be found by the end of the summer tho?  He is about our highest earner IIRC

He will become a squad player and that's ok. We aren't skint it's ok to pay experienced players good money
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 04:52:37 AM
Klopp waving like a psychotic windmill doesn't make him a good coach.

I never said it did. Although he clearly is regardless.

However all top coaches tactics and influence ebb and flow during the different game dynamics which require instructions from the sidelines. Our players never seem to receive that sort of influence and games and situations drift by until either half time or full time and then the manager tells the media where we went wrong.

Don't you think maybe mid game interventions would help with this awful run of form instead of a placid shrug and turn to the bench?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 04:53:20 AM
In a game where you intend to
Press the opposition you need
a player who us good at it to help you. McCarthy is not a flair player, a creator but it takes all types to win a game and his influence was sorely missed. In fact, Liverpool started to get better straight after his injury.

Don't worry. I saw what you did here.  ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2016, 04:53:28 AM
If Koeman wants to play this high energy pressing game, I really can't see why he's been given a new deal.  There's no legs in the middle when he's in there.  The brain is still there, but unfortunately the legs aren't.  Been a great servant for us since he came, but can't understand this for the life of me

But Koeman can't replace everyone all at once. Even a 35 yr old Barry is more use than Gibson, Cleverley and a perma-crock Besic.
We could sign Schneiderlin but we're still only a torn hamstring away from bare bones again.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 20, 2016, 04:54:44 AM
Nothing to worry about that I don't think.

We were really poor but koeman's whole plan this year seems to be just drag us over the line then spend a load of money.

God knows what his team will look like when he's had a chance to build it, or what football they'll play, but this one is painfully dull.

Let's hope some reinforcements can arrive in Jan, because if we start adding goals I actually think we'll get a few results off the back of our boringness.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: chang on December 20, 2016, 04:56:30 AM
We are finishing bottom half this season.

I got 20 down on it, and I think it's coming.

Shame on you Sir !
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: bluenuck on December 20, 2016, 04:57:56 AM
Shame on you Sir !

lol - I asked if it was shameful to bet on it... I was told it was fine, but I'd lose my money.

I'm a realist. What can I say.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Stumpy on December 20, 2016, 04:59:01 AM
Yes. Fine.

It's the us being beat by "one moment" comment I disagree with.

We're very weak mentally, and have very poor quality on the ball overall. We aren't very good.

I would go as far as to say we were inept.The control of the ball by us was a fucking disgrace,we couldn't even do the basics.Two pieces of play that happened in stoppage time that summed the last 50 mins up,firstly Barkley's pathetic free kick to coleman only 10 yards away woefully under hit,forcing him to scramble to get it when he should have put it in to the area,it was the only way we were going to score tonight.And the second was the goal itself,Sturridge allowed to run across a packed defence with no challenge the ball hits the post goes loose and they are quicker in speed of thought and deed and the balls in the net.We got what we deserved.Some of the player's need to have a good look at themselves,half of them looked like they had lead in their boots in the second half.MCcarthy going off was a huge blow and we never recovered.I have to say too,i have been worried about barry for a few weeks now,he had a good start to the season,but he's been poor for a while now it's not so much his ability he's just too slow now,and it's only highlighted in games like tonight.We need 2 cb's an athletic ball playing central midfielder and a proper Number 10.It was agony watching that 2nd half,something has to be done in the transfer window.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:59:56 AM
We were fucking shite and there's no getting away from it.

Yes they are quite good but we didn't lay a glove on them over 98 minutes. We're the home side in a derby and that's not acceptable no matter how low on confidence you are or how bad your prior form is.

Our players are a bunch of eunuchs who seemingly refuse to take on new tactical concepts. But ultimately Ron should still be getting more out of them than we've seen over recent weeks.

We've changed personnel for these last two games.

Most of our fans had us down for two hammerings.

The previous weeks should have been better but he's changed for these games and we've at least had the defensive basics there.

It wasn't ever likely to be some sort of damascene turn of form given the previous two months.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 05:01:42 AM
I never said it did. Although he clearly is regardless.

However all top coaches tactics and influence ebb and flow during the different game dynamics which require instructions from the sidelines. Our players never seem to receive that sort of influence and games and situations drift by until either half time or full time and then the manager tells the media where we went wrong.

Don't you think maybe mid game interventions would help with this awful run of form instead of a placid shrug and turn to the bench?

We've had games where we've turned round performances through subs etc.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 05:11:08 AM
One thing we do definitely need to address is the keeper.

Even with not fantastic performances we've had two poor mistakes vs Utd and tonight that have been very damaging.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 05:12:12 AM
We've had games where we've turned round performances through subs etc.

Besides the West Brom game I really can't think of a time we're a sub or change or formation influenced the out come?

Do you think he's a top coach?

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 05:13:00 AM
Thought mori played the best he has in a while.

As did Williams, although he was flat footed for the goal.

Coleman is back to his best

Gueye continues to be boss

Lennon has worked his way into the team yet again. He more quality than given credit for but will sacrifice himself for the good of the team.

Valencia put in a great shift. Doesn't have much quality but is always willing.

And a great start to the game putting the opposition on the backfoot.

If McCarthy didn't pick up his injury (this is becoming a massive problem with him) and we didn't have to replace our GK after 60 minutes we wouldn't have been on the backfoot as much as we were.

Plenty of positives to be taken from that game. But going forward we are still pretty poor. Hopefully now we have a easier run of games we can get a bit of flow going forward.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Alanvideo on December 20, 2016, 05:14:25 AM
We've changed personnel for these last two games.

Most of our fans had us down for two hammerings.

The previous weeks should have been better but he's changed for these games and we've at least had the defensive basics there.

It wasn't ever likely to be some sort of damascene turn of form given the previous two months.
...........You're right ,most of us had us down for fuck all from these two games . We got 3 points.
Damascene is pushing the boundaries a bit though   ???
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 20, 2016, 05:14:51 AM
Lukaku is 14st of muscle. Muscles require lots of oxygen. It's not exactly easy lugging that frame around for 90 minutes, while conserving enough energy for a sprint when he needs it.
   his lucks in then with only havin fuckwit sparse service then, his muscles are boumcing with so much oxygen he
can hardly bide.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 05:14:53 AM
One thing we do definitely need to address is the keeper.

Even with not fantastic performances we've had two poor mistakes vs Utd and tonight that have been very damaging.

Yeah, I'm not alone in thinking Robles was really poor for the goal?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2016, 05:16:41 AM
Thought mori played the best he has in a while.

As did Williams, although he was flat footed for the goal.

Coleman is back to his best

Gueye continues to be boss

Lennon has worked his way into the team yet again. He more quality than given credit for but will sacrifice himself for the good of the team.

Valencia put in a great shift. Doesn't have much quality but is always willing.

And a great start to the game putting the opposition on the backfoot.

If McCarthy didn't pick up his injury (this is becoming a massive problem with him) and we didn't have to replace our GK after 60 minutes we wouldn't have been on the backfoot as much as we were.

Plenty of positives to be taken from that game. But going forward we are still pretty poor. Hopefully now we have a easier run of games we can get a bit of flow going forward.

Barkley was poor, but he too worked his arse off, which is the right way for him to improve.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2016, 05:17:42 AM
Yeah, I'm not alone in thinking Robles was really poor for the goal?

I can't quite put my finger on what his mistake was, but it looked all wrong.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 05:19:03 AM
Yeah, I'm not alone in thinking Robles was really poor for the goal?

I think that's one area where Koeman can definitely be legitimately criticised. Neither of these keepers were good enough, and that should've been obvious and should've been addressed in the summer.

You should never just muddle through with ok keepers. It's too important a position.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2016, 05:19:58 AM
I can't quite put my finger on what his mistake was, but it looked all wrong.
I'll have to see it again as it was at other end but sturridge totally mis-hit it, I don't understand how it beat roblrs
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: starblood on December 20, 2016, 05:22:17 AM
Barkley was poor, but he too worked his arse off, which is the right way for him to improve.

The position he currently occupies, is the most important one to address in the transfer market in January for me, bar none!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 05:22:41 AM
Nothing Robles could do about the goal really, made a good save earlier on.

Williams is a decent defender but really lacks the quality of a top prem defender, I cant remember any if his headers going to a blue shirt and his passing is poor.

Barry was pretty poor when he come on, it was as if the team lost its bollocks when McCarthy went off.

Hate to sound like a broken record but Barkley was useless again, I'm sick of even trying to sugar coat his performances, people keep saying its his confidence, if he can't get confidence from a whole stadium singing his name then he hasn't got the mental strength to make it as a top player.

Calvert Lewin should never have been bought on for Valencia, should have been Mirallas, not the lads fault but a poor decision by Koeman.

On the plus sides Valencia, Gueye, Coleman, Lennon all had decent games. Still unsure whether Rom isn't doing enough or we aren't creating enough.

They deserved the goal, they had about 4 players in the box when that ball come back off the post, only time we ever have more than 1 player in the opposition box is when we have a corner.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 05:22:57 AM
cant believe people arent more gutted! Just got home, feel like my heart has been ripped out :(
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 05:23:49 AM

Yeah, I'm not alone in thinking Robles was really poor for the goal?
Thought he was a bit blinded for the shot. Had to dive and was out of it once he did
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 05:24:46 AM
cant believe people arent more gutted! Just got home, feel like my heart has been ripped out :(

Honestly not that arsed.

Was expecting it and it was a kind of weird relief once the goal went in.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 05:26:14 AM

Honestly not that arsed.

Was expecting it and it was a kind of weird relief once the goal went in.
not even close to what I felt. Devastated. Nightmare before Christmas!!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tinga on December 20, 2016, 05:27:34 AM
cant believe people arent more gutted! Just got home, feel like my heart has been ripped out :(

I'm used to losing to them. The fact I haven't cared much for Everton since Martinez's second season also plays a huge part. It's probably the fastest derby defeat I've ever gotten over I think, it's probably due to the fact we've been terrible for nearly three years now.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on December 20, 2016, 05:30:48 AM
not that gutted because we normally get either robbed or smashed,   whole game has a sense of inevitable about it once Joel came On and 8 minutes went up.   3pts better than what we thought we would get from these 2 games
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 05:31:52 AM
Fuck off all of you. We had a go. We'll get them in front of their new stand.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jamokachi on December 20, 2016, 05:32:26 AM
I can't quite put my finger on what his mistake was, but it looked all wrong.

Initial positioning and speed of reaction to the rebound were both awful.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Tinga on December 20, 2016, 05:34:17 AM
Fuck off all of you. We had a go. We'll get them in front of their new stand.

 lolol Let's be honest mate, we will roll over as we have done for decades.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2016, 05:35:51 AM
The position he currently occupies, is the most important one to address in the transfer market in January for me, bar none!

More important than goalkeeper? Or winger? Or a second striker? Nah.

Yes, ideally we'd need someone to come in who can do a job in the number 10 role, but it's far from the most important area, particularly if we sort out the other parts of our attack.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 05:38:06 AM
lolol Let's be honest mate, we will roll over as we have done for decades.



I don't tell lies. They're too conducive. You're a blue or you're not. We'll beat these very soon. Fuck them into nothing.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 20, 2016, 05:39:45 AM
I can't quite put my finger on what his mistake was, but it looked all wrong.

He hasn't set himself properly ,when sturridge hits it both Robles legs are off the ground and he's even gone a touch to the right in his positioning
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 05:39:54 AM
Fuck off all of you. We had a go. We'll get them in front of their new stand.

if we cant beat them under the lights at goodison we never will
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 20, 2016, 05:41:19 AM


I don't tell lies. They're too conducive. You're a blue or you're not. We'll beat these very soon. Fuck them into nothing.

More chance of one of us getting a go on the bird in your avatar
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 05:42:53 AM
if we cant beat them under the lights at goodison we never will



Don't be so daft. I was there when they couldn't beat us. I said to one of their smart arses tonight. Don't even touch me. of course they did and scored.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2016, 05:43:25 AM
He hasn't set himself properly ,when sturridge hits it both Robles legs are off the ground and he's even gone a touch to the right in his positioning

Yeah, it could be that. But I don't want to watch it again.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Shogun on December 20, 2016, 05:45:23 AM
I thought it was quite a shite match and I'm very disappointed with our performance after the first 30 minutes.

They were amongst the worst I've seen them be this season creating what, two proper chances in 90 minutes? This is a team that have scored 40 league goals already this season and we didn't/couldn't get at their biggest weakness and didn't even pose a threat to their goal, let alone pressure it.

I understand we need to sort the defence after last season but for a man who likes 'attacking football', Koeman's style has been dire.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 05:45:25 AM
Yeah, it could be that. But I don't want to watch it again.




You need to get yourself an avatar you cunt. :)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: howard1334 on December 20, 2016, 05:46:46 AM
Initial positioning and speed of reaction to the rebound were both awful.

As the shooter was moving across goal, Robles was tracking him, which is fine. But he probably let his momentum carry himself to far to the right, making it difficult for him to react quickly to a shot going across the face of the goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 05:46:58 AM
I thought it was quite a shite match and I'm very disappointed with our performance after the first 30 minutes.

They were amongst the worst I've seen them be this season creating what, two proper chances in 90 minutes? This is a team that have scored 40 league goals already this season and we didn't/couldn't get at their biggest weakness and didn't even pose a threat to their goal, let alone pressure it.

I understand we need to sort the defence after last season but for a man who likes 'attacking football', Koeman's style has been dire.



 Come on. They worked really hard not to lose.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Shogun on December 20, 2016, 05:47:48 AM


 Come on. They worked really hard not to lose.

Don't we always.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 05:48:08 AM
As the shooter was moving across goal, Robles was tracking him, which is fine. But he probably let his momentum carry himself to far to the right, making it difficult for him to react quickly to a shot going across the face of the goal.




Stop it. It was nothing to do with Robles.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on December 20, 2016, 05:49:19 AM

 Now ive calmed down it could be worse we only need defenders midfielders and attackers and also
a goalie or 2..
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 05:50:17 AM
Don't we always.



Come on. We had a really good go. Two or three players added to our squad and we'll unpick them like they seam.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blueski on December 20, 2016, 05:53:18 AM
I don't agree with all the shouts about McCarthy's injury changing the game.

If James McCarthy is the answer there's something wrong with the question.
Seems that Barry's lack of pace causes koeman to set the team up more defensively though doesn't it?

2cms and a dm who are giving up a yard forces the manager into certain tactical shapes doesn't it?

This was the first match I've seen in a while where we were seriously having a go and the first one where we only had to cover for a single off pace player (Williams) as opposed to 2 or 3
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 05:54:40 AM
So! Basically did we put a shift in or what? Stop whingeing, we had a good go for a change
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 05:56:00 AM
He hasn't set himself properly ,when sturridge hits it both Robles legs are off the ground and he's even gone a touch to the right in his positioning

Questions need to be asked of our defenders and why they give Sturridge the space and showed him on to his left foot, completely the wrong thing to do for someone who can be so devastating infront of goal.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Heisenberg on December 20, 2016, 05:57:17 AM
So! Basically did we put a shift in or what? Stop whingeing, we had a good go for a change

Their keeper, one of the worst in the league. Didn't have to make a save
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 05:59:27 AM
So! Basically did we put a shift in or what? Stop whingeing, we had a good go for a change

We didn't have a bloody shot all game. That's not good enough.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 05:59:40 AM

So! Basically did we put a shift in or what? Stop whingeing, we had a good go for a change
Had a good go at what though? Defending? Cause we certainly didn't have a good go at attacking. Can't remember more than 3 times having possession inside their box. Terrible last hour of a game.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 06:04:00 AM
Had a good go at what though? Defending? Cause we certainly didn't have a good go at attacking. Can't remember more than 3 times having possession inside their box. Terrible last hour of a game.




That's what we've got at the moment. Give the fella a chance ffs.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 06:04:38 AM
So! Basically did we put a shift in or what? Stop whingeing, we had a good go for a change

We had a good go for 20-25 minutes then lost a bit of intensity after it was clear that for all our hard work and energy we hadn't really created anything. The rest of the first half was fairly even with Liverpool probably edging it. The second half we were over run for the most part, any time we got the ball it was just lumped up the park and came straight back. If anything we did well to hold on until the 94th minute.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: starblood on December 20, 2016, 06:06:29 AM
More important than goalkeeper? Or winger? Or a second striker? Nah.

Yes, a support striker (or number 10, whatever you want to call it) is far more important by a country mile. It's pivotal to anything we do in the attacking third (and that is where we are severely lacking, and have been for 18 months and beyond).
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 06:08:32 AM
We had a good go for 20-25 minutes then lost a bit of intensity after it was clear that for all our hard work and energy we hadn't really created anything. The rest of the first half was fairly even with Liverpool probably edging it. The second half we were over run for the most part, any time we got the ball it was just lumped up the park and came straight back. If anything we did well to hold on until the 94th minute.




Obviously you were listening to 5 live. I get passionate.  I nearly had a go at Liverpool person. A real Liverpool person. And he knew it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 06:11:29 AM



Obviously you were listening to 5 live. I get passionate.  I nearly had a go at Liverpool person. A real Liverpool person. And he knew it.

No, I watched it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2016, 06:12:17 AM
We didn't have a bloody shot all game. That's not good enough.

At least we didn't concede 37 shots while doing so. I know it was a long time ago, nearly 8 whole months, but that's the sort of baseline we're starting from.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: irishtoffee on December 20, 2016, 06:14:49 AM
That's what we've got cause that's the way the manager wants them to play. Should have brought in mirallas or cleverly instead of dcl. We have no plan and no support play. Not enjoyable to watch by any stretch of the imagination
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Shogun on December 20, 2016, 06:15:58 AM
At least we didn't concede 37 shots while doing so. I know it was a long time ago, nearly 8 whole months, but that's the sort of baseline we're starting from.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to compare tonight to the corresponding fixture last season?

We'll probably ship at least three at Anfield again this season.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 06:18:52 AM
Wouldn't it be more accurate to compare tonight to the corresponding fixture last season?

We'll probably ship at least three at Anfield again this season.



No chance. Koeman knows we need to smell our own shit like the dutch with their toilets do.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 06:20:40 AM
No, I watched it.



I love you Gash. But you're something of a fissure.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 06:21:24 AM
At least we didn't concede 37 shots while doing so. I know it was a long time ago, nearly 8 whole months, but that's the sort of baseline we're starting from.

Yeah but before the Chelsea game we had the second best defence in the league and all that....
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Ross on December 20, 2016, 06:22:55 AM


I love you Gash. But you're something of a fissure.

Predictive text?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: everton1952 on December 20, 2016, 06:25:50 AM
We were good for far more than 23 minutes. The first half was well balanced with neither side going near a goal. The second half was all theirs as we could not get the ball for long and keep it. Our squad is so poor he brought on Barry and the young lad, both of could add nothing. But who else was there? Maybe Cleverly and Mirallas?  On this display of all days, Barkley blew it with an awful display, and has surely made certain his future exclusion by Koeman.  Cruel so near the end, but had they got one earlier no one could have argued. Spend, spend and spend is the answer. The crowd did their best but we deserve better than this team. Hard to come out of Bullens Road amongst all the crowing red bastards. (Sorry, put this on another thread as well)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 06:29:33 AM
I had a major red in my ear when we were doing OK. First half. I couldn't make enough effort almost, not to tell him to fuck off. Now and again I can use words and their proposal. I had the whole stuff tonight as we stood up for ourselves, but still got beat for a change.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cantoffee on December 20, 2016, 06:30:46 AM
Robles is escaping blame here. Either that or we just all accept how shite he is. That first shot should have been in his hands and safe but his positioning was awful as usual.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 06:32:12 AM
Predictive text?

It's just the drink talking.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 06:33:32 AM
It's just the drink talking.



I wish it was.



Edit: Boring bastards but blue. Glorious comfort is due
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 06:55:55 AM
Robles is escaping blame here. Either that or we just all accept how shite he is. That first shot should have been in his hands and safe but his positioning was awful as usual.

Yeah, poor goalkeeping. He was too far off his line. It wasn't hit hard so if he's a few yards deeper, he scoops it up no problem.

Robles does alright occasionally (made a solid save tonight) but someone like him shouldn't be anywhere near the first team of any Premier League side.

Just another part of the mess we're trying to clean up.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: burkey17 on December 20, 2016, 06:56:13 AM
Ok so we got beat. We can look at the maybe's and this and that-All I say lads- it's not just about tonight- 1 win in 12- Not good enough!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 06:59:51 AM
Yeah, poor goalkeeping. He was too far off his line. It wasn't hit hard so if he's a few yards deeper, he scoops it up no problem.

Robles does alright occasionally (made a solid save tonight) but someone like him shouldn't be anywhere near the first team of any Premier League side.

Just another part of the mess we're trying to clean up.



Yes. Why aren't you sorting it out?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: burkey17 on December 20, 2016, 07:05:02 AM
Let's all be honest we need a GK, CH, another CM and AM and CF.
Get the spine sorted and unfortunately we would like it overnight but on reflection let's be honest it won't happen in one window, hopefully 2? But we're Evertonians! Miracles don't happen overnight. Not one shot on target. Poor but I will try to Keep the Faith!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 07:05:36 AM
Ok so we got beat. We can look at the maybe's and this and that-All I say lads- it's not just about tonight- 1 win in 12- Not good enough!




No, it's not is it. We've got loads, as a team and club to build on. "The best for a while". I'm very optimistic. Our players made inroads into themselves. I love this Koeman fella.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: kramer0 on December 20, 2016, 07:07:41 AM


Yes. Why aren't you sorting it out?

I'd love to have a crack at it!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Redartin on December 20, 2016, 07:12:30 AM
How come if a commentator say this guy hasn't scored in 50 matches, or this team haven't beaten Everton in 30 years, you just know what is about to happen next?
Yet when they say these gobshites have only won one of the last nineteen derby matches you know it is going to go the other way and the run extend to twenty.

How come people say "once Koeman gets his own players everything will be wonderful"? Did we not start tonight with four of HIS players along with players that most teams in the Premier league would love to have. Players like Coleman, Baines, Barkley, Lukaku.

How come this same strike force could score many goals last season and can hardly get a shot in nowadays?

And don't say it's because we are defensively much better, we're not, we are fractionally better, and only just.

Tonight we went flat out for 20-25 minutes and ran out of steam and achieved fuck all for all the effort. For the next 73-78 minutes we were in reverse gear. We were lucky we got off with 1-0, our two keepers  each made a good save, we were also lucky their best team wasn't available.

I'm far from convinced that Koeman is the dogs bollocks. He'd need to up his game a bit if he has any ambition of going to Barcelona some day, because from what he has done so far he'll only be going to Barca on one of his many holidays.

I'm also not convinced that the Jan window is going to solve much.

Maybe the Leicester factor has people's anticipation higher than it should be, but at the end of the day it is a results business and Ron isn't producing them.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 07:21:12 AM
How come if a commentator say this guy hasn't scored in 50 matches, or this team haven't beaten Everton in 30 years, you just know what is about to happen next?
Yet when they say these gobshites have only won one of the last nineteen derby matches you know it is going to go the other way and the run extend to twenty.

How come people say "once Koeman gets his own players everything will be wonderful"? Did we not start tonight with four of HIS players along with players that most teams in the Premier league would love to have. Players like Coleman, Baines, Barkley, Lukaku.

How come this same strike force could score many goals last season and can hardly get a shot in nowadays?

And don't say it's because we are defensively much better, we're not, we are fractionally better, and only just.

Tonight we went flat out for 20-25 minutes and ran out of steam and achieved fuck all for all the effort. For the next 73-78 minutes we were in reverse gear. We were lucky we got off with 1-0, our two keepers  each made a good save, we were also lucky their best team wasn't available.

I'm far from convinced that Koeman is the dogs bollocks. He'd need to up his game a bit if he has any ambition of going to Barcelona some day, because from what he has done so far he'll only be going to Barca on one of his many holidays.

I'm also not convinced that the Jan window is going to solve much.

Maybe the Leicester factor has people's anticipation higher than it should be, but at the end of the day it is a results business and Ron isn't producing them.



I don't want to go into the idea as you do. Not Roberto Martinez for sure in his. Ronald Koeman has my respect. I'm not one for authority despite his Viking like lovely look's etc. Hah! In full flow this fella was perfection. He's at our club. Lets look after him for a bit. I think he's sound.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: starblood on December 20, 2016, 07:25:26 AM
There is one thing that I don't understand no matter how I analyse it (and I don't think I'm alone going by the reaction of fellow fans at Goodison): why are we not leaving anyone up front when defending corners?

It was so evident in the second half, when we were kicking it away, it was coming straight back at us. Not just a Koeman thing, Moyes did it throughout and Martinez did it in the main. It doesn't make strategic sense to me.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: pjk on December 20, 2016, 07:34:49 AM
There is one thing that I don't understand no matter how I analyse it (and I don't think I'm alone going by the reaction of fellow fans at Goodison): why are we not leaving anyone up front when defending corners?

It was so evident in the second half, when we were kicking it away, it was coming straight back at us. Not just a Koeman thing, Moyes did it throughout and Martinez did it in the main. It doesn't make strategic sense to me.




Wait for a bit. Our manager was with people like Yohan Kruyff
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 20, 2016, 08:16:47 AM
cant believe people arent more gutted! Just got home, feel like my heart has been ripped out :(

I'm not passionate about derbies anymore - haven't been since the cup semi. They just feel like a Chelsea away, "maybe we'll get a point."

Though I don't have to live around many reds
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Cuttyblue on December 20, 2016, 08:33:51 AM
- wasn't upset at all when we conceded. That's a sad thing, wish I cared about derbies again.
- good initial effort, but again I'm questioning fitness. Overrun the entire 2nd half.
- all we ever do is pass to feet, pass to feet, NEVER into space!
- Welp, that's it for this season - roll on transfer windows!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: howard1334 on December 20, 2016, 09:22:02 AM



Stop it. It was nothing to do with Robles.

Okay, man. You know all.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: blue1948 on December 20, 2016, 11:23:33 AM
I think we tried hard and were in the game more than I expected ,some really good performances considering but the thing for me is that despite the effort of our best players we could see that they are not up to it .You can see we need a player in this position or that but what we need is class and skill ,players who don't need to hoof it ,don't need to panic and most of all players who are aware and can pass .I would say Gana has all those qualities but after him I struggle to find any more .May be Barry had them ,sadly I think the last few games has showed he is on the way down ,he has slowed and in his position that is very telling.
Lukaku is the biggest conundrum I have ever known ,I could go on about his lack of effort  first touch etc. he is the best finisher we have had in a very long time so why do we play those balls to him .The long ball that he sometimes heads on -to no one -the fast ball to his feet that goes almost anywhere ,what we need is a player near him to take those balls control them and then feed him the balls he can do something with ,saying that I thought he has run much more in the last two games
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jamokachi on December 20, 2016, 11:40:23 AM
Getting a match report text from my shite supporting dickhead cousin is almost enough for me to cause world war III within the family.

She's your typical know nothing 'fan' too, and it makes my blood fucking boil!

I was dealing with the defeat calmly up until that point! Twat.
Title: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: ally2 on December 20, 2016, 12:44:32 PM
Oh and that was our unbeaten home record gone too. Morning!
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: brap2 on December 20, 2016, 01:47:08 PM
Oh and that was our unbeaten home record gone too. Morning!

Yeah just remembered that this morning
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 01:48:08 PM
More importantly, who the fuck's Yohan Kruyff?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
Getting a match report text from my shite supporting dickhead cousin is almost enough for me to cause world war III within the family.

She's your typical know nothing 'fan' too, and it makes my blood fucking boil!

I was dealing with the defeat calmly up until that point! Twat.

Plastic fans all over my Facebook. You know the ones who couldn't find Liverpool even if they were stood next to a sign that said "Welcome to Liverpool."
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: DannyR on December 20, 2016, 01:59:04 PM
Day in the office will be fun today, got a meeting with my 2 managers who are both Liverpool fans.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 02:07:21 PM
So far today I've been told

Barkley should be banned for 4 games
Coleman shouldve been sent off as well

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2016, 02:12:14 PM
So far today I've been told

Barkley should be banned for 4 games
Coleman shouldve been sent off as well



Just reply with "your father should have pulled out you fucking inbred streak of Norwegian piss".
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 02:13:47 PM
Apparently we set up to draw the game as well

Just fuck off, the media love is even stronger now, Henderson is a hero
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2016, 02:16:24 PM
Apparently we set up to draw the game as well

Just fuck off, the media love is even stronger now, Henderson is a hero

This is what happens when you make a pact with the Devil.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 02:17:20 PM
Just reply with "your father should have pulled out you fucking inbred streak of Norwegian piss".

Not worth engaging with him, he only supports them twice a year, he will crawl back under his rock later on
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 02:18:39 PM
This is what happens when you make a pact with the Devil.

Indeed
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Thomas on December 20, 2016, 02:22:01 PM
Bringing Gareth Barry on against such a fast and relentless team did not help.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2016, 02:35:45 PM
Not worth engaging with him, he only supports them twice a year, he will crawl back under his rock later on

Oh, one of those 'fans'
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 02:36:38 PM
Just had a nice little fishing session with them about the flare on the pitch, I suggested to the plebs in work that its typical redshite hooligan behaviour, basically showing the world what they already knew about their horrible fans and that they should be ashamed of themselves, their response was flabbergasting, "how do you know it was a liverpool fan who threw the flare, it was probably one of your lot sat in the away end" my reply "there it is again, playing the victims as per usual, never ever your fault is it". The tensions are rising, the anger in here today is great.

I'm cross with myself for actually getting involved in something so petty to be honest, I'm not well as it is but its fun listening to them make up excuses and that


Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jamokachi on December 20, 2016, 02:39:40 PM
Bringing Gareth Barry on against such a fast and relentless team did not help.

We haven't exactly got many options! Hopefully January will change that.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 20, 2016, 03:03:15 PM
A tactician vs a Manager who just sends his players out to run around and smash the ball aimlessly here there and everywhere and at best hit one of the most static centre forwards there is . All huff and puff and not much else . Sounded like Moyes when he said we didn't deserve to lose . Calvert-Lewin sub was a head scratcher and if he is considered by the Manager to be near the first team then I shudder to think what we may look like in a years time . I am just not sold on Koeman .
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
Listen we just don't have the quality of players that we need at the minute. Lennon, Valencia and Barkley as a three are not the answer to create anything but neither are Mirallas, Del and Bolasie.
We're just not very good. It'll take a while to get rid of them and replace them with players who are unfortunately.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 20, 2016, 03:28:29 PM
Listen we just don't have the quality of players that we need at the minute. Lennon, Valencia and Barkley as a three are not the answer to create anything but neither are Mirallas, Del and Bolasie.
We're just not very good. It'll take a while to get rid of them and replace them with players who are unfortunately.

We are worse than we were . Watching us play like a team in a relegation fight is a massive backward step . He should be doing better with the players we have and it is ludicrous the way some fans have gone from calling them a talented squad to a pile of shite inside of a couple of months . For all Moyes faults he could get the best out of what he had rather than simply use the excuse that they are not good enough to do what I want . Koeman as a Manager may well attract better players to this club because of his reputation ( not as a Manager but a player ) but I don't think he really knows what he wants from one week to the next . We completely dominated games under Martinez and then shot ourselves in the foot . We even looked more comfortable on the ball with 10 men than we have with 11 all season . It is always a case of wait and see for this club though .
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2016, 03:32:20 PM
We are worse than we were . Watching us play like a team in a relegation fight is a massive backward step . He should be doing better with the players we have and it is ludicrous the way some fans have gone from calling them a talented squad to a pile of shite inside of a couple of months . For all Moyes faults he could get the best out of what he had rather than simply use the excuse that they are not good enough to do what I want . Koeman as a Manager may well attract better players to this club because of his reputation ( not as a Manager but a player ) but I don't think he really knows what he wants from one week to the next . We completely dominated games under Martinez and then shot ourselves in the foot . We even looked more comfortable on the ball with 10 men than we have with 11 all season . It is always a case of wait and see for this club though .

Saying we dominated games under Martinez is a bit fanciful. Teams knew how to beat us was to sit back and let us pass the ball back and forth. We may have dominated possession but it's what you do with it that counts and we didn't know what to do with t in the last two seasons
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: sam of the south on December 20, 2016, 03:42:20 PM


I love you Gash. But you're something of a fissure.

 lolol
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 03:45:25 PM
Some proper over reactions here, would they be the same if we had drawn last night?

A major squad overhaul is needed, we all knew that and so did Koeman, this doesn't happen overnight, it will take time and a few more transfer windows, its far to early to judge the manager, especially given the squad he inherited, lets see how he does with the players he brings in, then we can judge him.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 20, 2016, 03:46:52 PM
Saying we dominated games under Martinez is a bit fanciful. Teams knew how to beat us was to sit back and let us pass the ball back and forth. We may have dominated possession but it's what you do with it that counts and we didn't know what to do with t in the last two seasons

And we look like we know what we are doing now ? Shame we seem to be looking forward to next season already .
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheTone on December 20, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
tough one to take that last night, score late on last week and concede at the death last night, cruel game is footie

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Captain Sarcasm on December 20, 2016, 03:49:32 PM
Being the sadistic bastard that I am I watched the match in full again this morning and a few things really struck me.

1.  Without a doubt bringing Barry on changed how we played. We stopped closing down and they got more time on the ball and grew in confidence. Plus, Barry gave the ball away time after time; he just didn't adjust to the pace of the game. It was clear Barry's days in the PL are long gone and we desperately need young legs in the engine room. Gana in the 2nd half was trying to do the work of 2 players.

2.  First half we condensed the play higher up the pitch. Second half we dropped back - was this a switch by RK at half time? If so, he got it horribly wrong as they didn't seem to change much, if anything. They just got more time on the ball which is what they wanted but it seems we gave it to them on a plate instead of them creating it.

3.  At no point, when on top in the 1st half did we put Lennon up against Milner and run him ragged. Another tactical mistake as he was there for the taking.

4.  Most teams need a player in the '10 role' playing well. The fact Ross is playing so poorly at times is causing Big Rom to get less and less chances against the better teams. The sooner RK can get him back playing at the level we know he can the better but how he's gonna do that God only knows. Dropping him has failed, tough love has failed.....what next?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: sam of the south on December 20, 2016, 03:49:38 PM
More importantly, who the fuck's Yohan Kruyff?

Oh, stop being a fissure, dude  ;D
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 20, 2016, 04:09:08 PM
Dominated teams under Martinez? 
lolol lolol lolol lolol lolol lolol

Teams happily LET US have +65% possession in a game because they knew we couldn't break them down and the chances are that they could and would score from a single attack.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:10:34 PM
And we look like we know what we are doing now ? Shame we seem to be looking forward to next season already .

The last two games have been a clear plan.

It worked against Arsenal it didn't for whatever combination of things against them last night for enough of the game.

Your trying to equate season 3 of a manager, where we should have been improving, to season 1 of a manager where lots of the players don't play how he likes.

He has given lots of opportunities to Mirallas and Deulofeu etc and they haven't produced.

The last two games we've gone with wide players who you know are going to give you at least hard work and discipline in their defensive tactics.

Everyone was predicting stuffings in these games (and also vs Utd).

In the real world you can't go from poor to brilliant over night; it simply doesn't happen.

You have to build things up through being solid to give yourself a chance of taking points from a game.

Once you get more points more regularly the better football will come.

When Klopp took over last year they were 9th and with players who suited his style of play, generally.

They finished 8th, despite him being on most people's elite manager list.

Our attacking play whenever it was good in the last two years, and it wasn't very often, was built on the attacking players having almost zero defensive responsibility.

That wasn't feasible as was seen. Therefore you can't transpose those good elements onto a solid defence as you don't get a solid defence without the assistance of pretty much all the players.

This isn't a quick fix.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 04:20:57 PM
Dominated teams under Martinez? 
lolol lolol lolol lolol lolol lolol

Teams happily LET US have +65% possession in a game because they knew we couldn't break them down and the chances are that they could and would score from a single attack.

A lot of teams also gave us a 2 goal start under Martinez
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 04:22:24 PM
Also we should still be looking to a) win the cup and b) finish as high as possible (which in reality is probably 7th).

There's a good chance that 7th will get into Europe so even if we're miles off 6th that'd be more than acceptable given where we were / are.

There's no need to give up on the season at all.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Django on December 20, 2016, 04:23:16 PM
Apologies for the misinformation last night fellas. Just passed on what I heard from my mate who's info is usually reliable.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 04:31:15 PM
I have to say I'm thankful for the voices of reason on the forum.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Macca77 on December 20, 2016, 04:48:34 PM
I have to say I'm thankful for the voices of reason on the forum.

Your welcome ;)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cyberduck on December 20, 2016, 04:50:21 PM
Like Roberto used to say. it's a game of fine margins  :)

I would happily have taken 2 points from the Arsenal & Liverpool games but after bagging all 3 in a close game against Arsenal it's disappointing that we didn't get an extra 1 last night.

Not much in it really. Both teams put in a huge amount of effort. Neither team was really good enough to show any quality among all the pressing and lack of space. If any team deserve to win it was probably Liverpool.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Brownie on December 20, 2016, 04:57:10 PM
I have to say I'm thankful for the voices of reason on the forum.

It's going to be emotional after a derby defeat but we need to realise that we are a big work in progress. It's horrible losing to them cunts and their so called fans but if we improve with learning from this and then squad improvements so in future we can match them in the future then I'll accept it (just not like it)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
Bringing Barry on was a big turning point, but some people are saying it like the manager had lots of options, he really didn't. Barry was the only realistic change he could make, possibly Cleverley but he doesn't really play in that position. Koeman has also said this week that Barry's games need to be managed, he knew he was not 100% match fit (there is an argument as to why Barry was on the bench and not someone else).

After reflecting on everything we were a couple of minutes away from getting a point, probably a fair result, maybe even a lucky point, but Liverpool weren't that good yesterday, which is what hurts, we over performed first half and they just went up a gear second half, their subs compared to ours just shows the difference in quality.

GK, CB, CM, ACM and ST is what we need to sign, I'm really unsure how realistic it will be to sign top quality players in January for them positions though.
We don't need to go out and spend ridiculous amounts of cash if we want to try and finish 7th to 10th, we might even be able to win some silverware with this squad, lesser teams have done so (if we sacrifice the league position), we just need some reinforcements. It's only if we want to try and finish higher than 7th and have a good cup run that we need to go and spunk a load of cash in the January window because we simply aren't better than most of the teams above us at the minute.

Koeman says he can't complain about our effort....and I suppose he's right. It's not the effort or fitness of the players that's the worry, it's just the quality of the players we have a our disposal.

This notion that we have one of the best squads since the 80s is just not true, if you believe that then you're in for a long painful season, RM arguably lost his job because too many of us thought this. I'm taking some of Koemans pragmatism on board and I'm just going to go for a top 10 finish this season and hopefully a decent cup run if we're lucky, any better may have to wait till next season.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 05:08:21 PM
RM arguably lost his job because too many of us thought this.

I was agreeing with all your post until this bit.  He lost his job because he was a clueless fantasist who was miles out of his depth
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 05:12:15 PM
I was agreeing with all your post until this bit.  He lost his job because he was a clueless fantasist who was miles out of his depth

I did say 'arguably'.

Was he out of his depth though?, can you see us finishing much higher than what he did if we carry on the way we are? we have to remember that he didn't have Moshiri's millions to dip in to like Koeman will in January.

The last few games sealed RMs fate, that much is true, but imagine if Koeman didn't have this money to spend (like RM didn't) what would we all be thinking now about how our season is shaping up?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: charlatan on December 20, 2016, 05:14:03 PM
I did say 'arguably'.

Was he out of his depth though?, can you see us finishing much higher than what he did if we carry on the way we are? we have to remember that he didn't have Moshiri's millions to dip in to like Koeman will in January.

The last few games sealed RMs fate, that much is true, but imagine if Koeman didn't have this money to spend (like RM didn't) what would we all be thinking now about how our season is shaping up?

Yes he was.  We'd have been going down this season with him in charge
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 05:27:45 PM
Martinez spent money on (either in transfer fees or contracts) McGeady, Kone, Robles, Funes Mori, Cleverley, Niasse, Lennon, Alcaraz, Besic. So much wasted money, and so many substandard players.

Yes, there were 2 or 3 good buys in amongst that, but in hindsight he was fairly terrible in the transfer market. He had plenty to spend, and wasted a lot of it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 05:35:59 PM
Martinez spent money on (either in transfer fees or contracts) McGeady, Kone, Robles, Funes Mori, Cleverley, Niasse, Lennon, Alcaraz, Besic. So much wasted money, and so many substandard players.

Yes, there were 2 or 3 good buys in amongst that, but in hindsight he was fairly terrible in the transfer market. He had plenty to spend, and wasted a lot of it.

Complerely different market he had to operate in, with a completely different budget. I see you quote handily missed Lukaku out there ;)

My point is more that we now have a pot of money that we can rely on to get Koeman out of trouble, a luxury we didn't have with RM. I'm not going all pro Martinez, I just think that we are not much better now than we were under Martinez.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 20, 2016, 05:39:52 PM
Lukaku was hardly an amazing find by Martinez.

He'd already had a good season at West Brom, Chelsea didn't fancy him, we got him on loan, Chelsea still didn't fancy him when he went back, we got him for a fairly big fee because of this.

Any manager would have brought him in if he was offered to him as Lulaku was to us, 1st on loan and then permanent.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
I'm pretty certain we'll be a much better attacking threat by the end of January. Koeman may have his perceived faults but this is a guy who has played at the very highest level and won awards and trophies along the way, playing with some of the best players of the last generation. He'll know a thing or two about what needs to be done and with the right backing he'll go and do it.
I'm sure we'd all like it to happen overnight but it won't. He very consciously changed tactics before the Arsenal game to make us more compact and we were minutes away from sitting here on 4 points from two tough games.
I'm not too concerned, we've still got a cup to go at and I'd still be surprised if we didn't finish 7th, which is about par and which should be seen as a respectable season for his first one in charge.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2016, 05:42:54 PM
Lukaku was hardly an amazing find by Martinez.

He'd already had a good season at West Brom, Chelsea didn't fancy him, we got him on loan, Chelsea still didn't fancy him when he went back, we got him for a fairly big fee because of this.

Any manager would have brought him in if he was offered to him as Lulaku was to us, 1st on loan and then permanent.

We actually enquired about Demba Ba on loan initially did we not? But they refused and offered us Lukaku instead.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
I see you quote handily missed Lukaku out there ;)

Yes, there were 2 or 3 good buys in amongst that

;)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 20, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
We actually enquired about Demba Ba on loan initially did we not? But they refused and offered us Lukaku instead.

So the story goes!

Which makes Martinez best buy a pure accident lolol
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 05:52:32 PM
;)

'amongst that', meaning amongst the list of players you mentioned....excluding Rom.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: TheRam on December 20, 2016, 05:52:38 PM
Martinez spent money on (either in transfer fees or contracts) McGeady, Kone, Robles, Funes Mori, Cleverley, Niasse, Lennon, Alcaraz, Besic. So much wasted money, and so many substandard players.

Yes, there were 2 or 3 good buys in amongst that, but in hindsight he was fairly terrible in the transfer market. He had plenty to spend, and wasted a lot of it.

Unfair on Lennon
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 05:55:32 PM
So the story goes!

Which makes Martinez best buy a pure accident lolol

The loan may well have been an accident (if you believe that story), the buy wasn't.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Silas on December 20, 2016, 05:55:34 PM
Unfair on Lennon

And possibly Besic
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
I don't believe in sacrificing League position, and I really don't see this as a Cup-winning side, sans Bolasie.  We are right fucked without him, nobody can get the ball into dangerous areas.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 06:03:06 PM
I did say 'arguably'.

Was he out of his depth though?, can you see us finishing much higher than what he did if we carry on the way we are? we have to remember that he didn't have Moshiri's millions to dip in to like Koeman will in January.

The last few games sealed RMs fate, that much is true, but imagine if Koeman didn't have this money to spend (like RM didn't) what would we all be thinking now about how our season is shaping up?

The last few games sealed his fate but only on the back of two very poor years making it very hard to continue to support him given the way it was completely falling apart. 

There's no way he'd have gone just on those games if everything else had been ok prior to that sequence.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 06:03:07 PM
'amongst that', meaning amongst the list of players you mentioned....excluding Rom.

Oh sorry, no I meant the good ones were Rom, Barry and then arguably Deulofeu and McCarthy. The ones I listed I think have turned out to be pretty poor value for money (maybe being harsh on Lennon).

Anyway, we're nitpicking. Do you think he was good in the transfer market? Members of yet undiscovered tribes who aren't aware of the concept of football could've told you Lukaku was a good signing.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Bluedylan on December 20, 2016, 06:03:44 PM
Unfair on Lennon

Yeah fair enough.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 06:07:01 PM
He was given money to spend.

Certainly not too incomparable with what Koeman has had to date.

Obviously that'll change (hopefully) in the future.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: BlueBeagle on December 20, 2016, 06:10:37 PM
The loan may well have been an accident (if you believe that story), the buy wasn't.

The buy was common sense
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 06:13:04 PM
Oh sorry, no I meant the good ones were Rom, Barry and then arguably Deulofeu and McCarthy. The ones I listed I think have turned out to be pretty poor value for money (maybe being harsh on Lennon).

Anyway, we're nitpicking. Do you think he was good in the transfer market? Members of yet undiscovered tribes who aren't aware of the concept of football could've told you Lukaku was a good signing.

He had some absolute stinkers of signings, Niasse being the main one with McGeady close behind (maybe we should stay away from any players with links to Russia)

Robles, Alcarez, McCarthy, Kone, Cleverley all cost little or nothing (excluding McCarthy) and were just typical of a manager taking over players he alway knew and trusted, McCarthy was a good siging and Kone, Cleverley and Robles have been average but decent back up.

I've been pretty happy with Mori and Lennon (especially Lennons first season and his last couple of games), Im quite happy with Besic too, been unfortunate with injuries but didn't cost too much.

My point is more that it is easy to paper over the cracks of a manager when you know you have a huge pot of money waiting for you at the next transfer window, so far I haven't seen much from Koeman that suggests he is 'far' superior than RM as a manager.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 06:18:11 PM
The buy was common sense

So why didn't all the clubs like Utd, City, PSG etc (who are apparently interested in him now) buy him. They had a chance to sign him after seeing him play a full season.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 06:20:40 PM
I keep forgetting McGeady plays for this club.

As if we're paying that useless Avid Merrion look-a-like 50 large a week to sit in the stands wearing a suit on match days.

Absolutely indefensible signing.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2016, 06:26:33 PM
He was given money to spend.

Certainly not too incomparable with what Koeman has had to date.

Obviously that'll change (hopefully) in the future.

That's a little bit of what I was trying to touch on. He didn't have a massive pot of money, but he did spend some, as you say Koeman may have spent something similar since arriving and (in my opinion) we are not that much better than we were under RM, certainly nowhere near as good as RMs first season, so I was just wondering if Koeman is indeed such a significant step up from RM as a manager.

It comes back to the point I made about expectations, peoples opinions were that RM massively underperformed with a squad that was 'apparently' our best squad in years, when in fact Koeman isn't doing much better, which says to me that the quality is not where it needs to be (and probably hasn't been for a couple of years), not necessarily that the previous manager was completely incompetent.
fortunately we have the money to hopefully invest and push on.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 20, 2016, 06:27:30 PM
I keep forgetting McGeady plays for this club.

As if we're paying that useless Avid Merrion look-a-like 50 large a week to sit in the stands wearing a suit on match days.

Absolutely indefensible signing.

He's at Preston on loan.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 06:28:18 PM
I still think Funes Mori was shrewd business*, just closed/finished up in the most unprofessional manner possible.  He had some really superstar level moments yesterday, the kind of stuff everyone keeps waiting for Stones to do.

* OF COURSE he's not perfect/the finished article, if he was, we wouldn't have been able to pick him up under the radar like we did for so little money.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: cyberduck on December 20, 2016, 06:31:43 PM
My point is more that it is easy to paper over the cracks of a manager when you know you have a huge pot of money waiting for you at the next transfer window, so far I haven't seen much from Koeman that suggests he is 'far' superior than RM as a manager.

Time will tell.

It wouldn't be unreasonable for Koeman to be working on a 3 year plan so that might be the time to judge who is better.

One thing that seems fairly easy to do is to defend corners & free kicks. It shouldn't really affect your style of play but obviously having more physical & taller players helps. Martinez didn't even seem interested in this. I think if we'd done better in this respect we could have had about 10 more points last season.

But then I'm sure Martinez has other strengths. Perhaps telling every player they were the best in the world actually got more out of them? We all laugh at his eternal optimism but John Stones might just have been breaking into the team as an occasional full back under Moyes. Barkley would perhaps have been a sub.

We'll see but the early signs are that we're trying to compare chalk & cheese.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 06:33:39 PM
I still think Funes Mori was shrewd business*, just closed/finished up in the most unprofessional manner possible.  He had some really superstar level moments yesterday, the kind of stuff everyone keeps waiting for Stones to do.

* OF COURSE he's not perfect/the finished article, if he was, we wouldn't have been able to pick him up under the radar like we did for so little money.

I can't remember anything, bar some unchallenged headers from long balls (that everyone rapturously applauds) that you wouldn't expect a decent CB to do.

He's ok and even with the extra fee it wasn't exorbitant. But I can't see anything other than that.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: hill135 on December 20, 2016, 06:33:42 PM
He's at Preston on loan.

That explains it: out of sight, out of mind.

Still, we're paying a him a fair wedge to play for someone else so we need to move him on soon.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 06:36:54 PM
That's a little bit of what I was trying to touch on. He didn't have a massive pot of money, but he did spend some, as you say Koeman may have spent something similar since arriving and (in my opinion) we are not that much better than we were under RM, certainly nowhere near as good as RMs first season, so I was just wondering if Koeman is indeed such a significant step up from RM as a manager.

It comes back to the point I made about expectations, peoples opinions were that RM massively underperformed with a squad that was 'apparently' our best squad in years, when in fact Koeman isn't doing much better, which says to me that the quality is not where it needs to be (and probably hasn't been for a couple of years), not necessarily that the previous manager was completely incompetent.
fortunately we have the money to hopefully invest and push on.

Well even if you take RM's first season as being great he was still responsible for bringing us down to this level.

He had money to spend and only had to sell Fellaini so there's no excuse.

So you can't ignore what the previous 2 years have done to the squad either mentally, or in actual quality, and judge the current manager on the same criteria as he's now having to rebuild everything.

Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: GLewis on December 20, 2016, 06:41:16 PM

Absolutely indefensible signing.

What annoyed and confused me was that a player like McGeady needs the ball quickly, high up the pitch so that he's one v one with the fullback and then he needs players in the box to cross to.

Those 2 tactics are almost everything RM doesn't want to do.

Bizarre.

At least he didn't sign loads of other wingers who also need to play like this...

:eh:
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Evertonian in NC on December 20, 2016, 06:55:12 PM
There was a 1-on-1 yesterday with Origi, where Funes Mori just annihilated him.  Didn't sit back and wait, just went and took the ball straight from him.  Confident to the point of arrogant.

Also made another excellent sliding block early in the second half, which is when I was most certain they were gonna score.

Maybe I am being too easily impressed, but it's been seemingly ages since we've aggressively defended, with a positive result.  And just "any old proper CB" that would be a positive result given market prices.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2016, 09:50:47 PM
This the fella you were on about si (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161220/a1ba217679043bf1d0307c1bd396b1c5.jpg)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Audrey Horne on December 20, 2016, 09:59:06 PM
fat, bald, boggy eyed, chin wobbling, wall pushing, hypocritical cunt.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 21, 2016, 12:15:46 AM
Just put it on net. Eventually it's gonna go in.



Only the hockey watching lot will understand that reference.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 21, 2016, 12:25:55 AM
One thing we do definitely need to address is the keeper.

Even with not fantastic performances we've had two poor mistakes vs Utd and tonight that have been very damaging.

What mistake did the keepers make tonight that was costly?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 21, 2016, 12:30:18 AM
Robles is escaping blame here. Either that or we just all accept how shite he is. That first shot should have been in his hands and safe but his positioning was awful as usual.

Rubbish. If he was positioned to the left more, it would of been wide open to be beaten on the right side. He had the goal covered and the rebound off the post was really harsh.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 21, 2016, 12:31:21 AM
Yeah, poor goalkeeping. He was too far off his line. It wasn't hit hard so if he's a few yards deeper, he scoops it up no problem.

Robles does alright occasionally (made a solid save tonight) but someone like him shouldn't be anywhere near the first team of any Premier League side.

Just another part of the mess we're trying to clean up.

If he is closer to his line it opens up more of the goal and he is beaten much easier. He is off his line to cut down the angle.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 21, 2016, 12:37:53 AM
I have to say I'm thankful for the voices of reason on the forum.

On this forum? you sure those aren't the voices in your head?
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jamokachi on December 21, 2016, 04:43:34 AM
Rubbish. If he was positioned to the left more, it would of been wide open to be beaten on the right side. He had the goal covered and the rebound off the post was really harsh.

Con, can you stop with this 'playing devil's advocate' bullshit? It's so painfully obvious. Every time there's a consensus of opinion you chime in with complete rubbish, just to stir the pot i.e. Sissoko. Robles was at fault for their goal, it was terrible goalkeeping. Just accept it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 21, 2016, 05:18:35 AM
Con, can you stop with this 'playing devil's advocate' bullshit? It's so painfully obvious. Every time there's a consensus of opinion you chime in with complete rubbish, just to stir the pot i.e. Sissoko. Robles was at fault for their goal, it was terrible goalkeeping. Just accept it.

It really wasn't. Everytime we concede or something goes wrong it is because we were terrible. Or someone to blame. it just isn't true.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Jamokachi on December 21, 2016, 06:01:05 AM
It really wasn't. Everytime we concede or something goes wrong it is because we were terrible. Or someone to blame. it just isn't true.

What a massive load of guff. Of course there's someone to blame if we lose or something goes wrong. The very nature of losing indicates someone didn't do their job to the highest standard demanded, otherwise we'd win every game.

I'm not attacking Robles here, don't think that. He made a very good save earlier in the game. But he's not above criticism for his poor positioning and even poorer reaction to the ball rebounding off the post. A top keeper would have a. saved the initial shot and/or b. smothered the rebound.

But by all means carry on your crusade to have the unpopular opinion :)
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Gash on December 21, 2016, 06:22:30 AM
Rubbish. If he was positioned to the left more, it would of been wide open to be beaten on the right side. He had the goal covered and the rebound off the post was really harsh.

I never saw it but they covered it on Sky after the game, apparently at the point Sturridge hit it Robles was off the ground taking a jump forward, so obviously he can't change direction in mid air, he then looks really slow to finally dive towards the ball, then his reaction to the rebound looks slow as well, it's like he's climbing out of mud. He also didn't have the goal covered as he was about a foot away from getting to the ball so there was a gap, if he had it covered he'd have at least tipped it wide.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 21, 2016, 06:35:07 AM
What a massive load of guff. Of course there's someone to blame if we lose or something goes wrong. The very nature of losing indicates someone didn't do their job to the highest standard demanded, otherwise we'd win every game.

I'm not attacking Robles here, don't think that. He made a very good save earlier in the game. But he's not above criticism for his poor positioning and even poorer reaction to the ball rebounding off the post. A top keeper would have a. saved the initial shot and/or b. smothered the rebound.

But by all means carry on your crusade to have the unpopular opinion :)

Sometimes someone is just faster, better, more skillfull etc. Sometimes you just beaten by the better person.

Even to us, the greatest team of all time, other players are sometimes slightly better.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 21, 2016, 06:38:38 AM
I never saw it but they covered it on Sky after the game, apparently at the point Sturridge hit it Robles was off the ground taking a jump forward, so obviously he can't change direction in mid air, he then looks really slow to finally dive towards the ball, then his reaction to the rebound looks slow as well, it's like he's climbing out of mud. He also didn't have the goal covered as he was about a foot away from getting to the ball so there was a gap, if he had it covered he'd have at least tipped it wide.

Interesting. I felt he was in a lose lose situation there. he was left wide open and the mishit was just unfortunate that it trickled perfectly off the post.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: efcforlife on December 21, 2016, 02:30:27 PM

Interesting. I felt he was in a lose lose situation there. he was left wide open and the mishit was just unfortunate that it trickled perfectly off the post.

It should of been saved..

There is no question about it.
Title: Re: Everton v Liverpool
Post by: Confucius on December 26, 2016, 11:33:45 AM
Yes there is