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Title: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Twiggy on August 26, 2010, 04:27:47 AM
I know we only beat Huddersfield tonight but will this change the team selection for Villa?

Will Rodwell start and Coleman or what????
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: NYToffee on August 26, 2010, 04:32:36 AM
I know we only beat Huddersfield tonight but will this change the team selection for Villa?

Will Rodwell start and Coleman or what????

Frankly, I think the player who made the biggest case - taking into account deficiencies against Wolves - was Gueye.

I'm still not sure Rodwell breaks into a Fellaini/Arteta/Cahill central midfield (though I hope he continues to be utilized as a super-sub), and Villa away may not be the best test case for Coleman.

Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: blueToffee on August 26, 2010, 04:33:02 AM
My team sheet for Sunday:

Coleman

Rodwell

That is all.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: DanDan on August 26, 2010, 04:36:20 AM
Can see Neville or Hibbo at RB to try and stop Young with Ossie in front of them to help them out
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: blueToffee on August 26, 2010, 04:41:53 AM
Can see Neville or Hibbo at RB to try and stop Young with Ossie in front of them to help them out

So same as every week?
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: Fellaini25 on August 26, 2010, 04:48:24 AM
Howard

Coleman - Jagielka - Heitinga/Distin - Baines

Bily/Anichebe - Fellaini - Arteta - Pienaar

Rodwell

Beckford     
         

Thats what I would like to see but I can see Neville or Hibbert starting right back, or Neville being pushed into midfield.

           
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: blue for you on August 26, 2010, 05:10:05 AM
coleman won't be there Neville will come back in i am afraid
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: BootleBlueBoy on August 26, 2010, 05:15:34 AM
id go for

hibbert   jags   heitinga     baines
                  felli
    Coleman Arteta Pienaar
                Cahill
              Beckford

i thought rodwell was great today but we are away from home and need someone fighting up their. Gueyes crossing was very good, but he drifted in and out i think he'd be better off the bench and i was quite happy to see saha and beckford link up the his goal, i think we will be using 442 alot more at home
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: marky v on August 26, 2010, 05:19:47 AM
Distin/Rodwell/Fellaini/Coleman really stood out, and also Billy finding coleman with a couple of fantastic passes may have our new right hand side partnership there
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: .Rimbo. on August 26, 2010, 05:45:30 AM
Howard

Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines

Fellaini Arteta

Anichebe     Cahill       Pienaar

Beckford
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: Rhys on August 26, 2010, 05:49:19 AM
Frankly, I think the player who made the biggest case - taking into account deficiencies against Wolves - was Gueye.


Why? He showed glimpses but lost the ball most of the time he had it after the first 20 minutes. Im not getting at him here but he didnt have an impact after the first cross, he looked extremely raw and thats because he is. There is no way we should be starting him over Bily or Ossie on the wings at this point.

Howard
Neville Jags Distin Baines
Osman Fellaini Arteta Pienaar
Cahill Beckford

That is my prediction but maybe Bily in for Ossie. I would much rather have Heitinga in for Distin though. Fellaini is a must though not just because he is arguably our best player but we need someone who might actually battle with Carew.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: .Rimbo. on August 26, 2010, 05:53:00 AM
Why? He showed glimpses but lost the ball most of the time he had it after the first 20 minutes. Im not getting at him here but he didnt have an impact after the first cross, he looked extremely raw and thats because he is. There is no way we should be starting him over Bily or Ossie on the wings at this point.

Howard
Neville Jags Distin Baines
Osman Fellaini Arteta Pienaar
Cahill Beckford

That is my prediction but maybe Bily in for Ossie. I would much rather have Heitinga in for Distin though. Fellaini is a must though not just because he is arguably our best player but we need someone who might actually battle with Carew.

I'm not a big Distin fan but there's no way you can drop him after how he's been playing lately.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: ToxtethBlue on August 26, 2010, 06:01:24 AM
I wonder if Moyes will consider using Coleman as a right winger, we clearly lack an outlet out there and none of the players are making that position there own.

I'm not really a fan of attacking fullbacks moving forward, it's a competely different ball game playing as a winger but Coleman looks to have an varied attacking game aswell as pace. He can overlap, run with the ball at his feet and even cut inside and drive into central areas.

Could be worth a go, Moyes clearly isn't going to play him at fullback at the moment.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: blue for you on August 26, 2010, 06:06:08 AM
yes it could work with coleman as a right winger but don't think moyes will take the chance
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: top flight for a long time on August 26, 2010, 02:23:15 PM
You can't risk Coleman in an important league match.  Defensively he is very raw and was even caught out a few times last night.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: Mikel10 on August 26, 2010, 02:24:40 PM
It will be:

Howard

Neville Jagielka Distin Baines

Osman Heitinga Arteta Pienaar

Cahill

Saha
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: nomorechang on August 26, 2010, 02:34:16 PM
It will be:

Howard

Neville Jagielka Distin Baines

Osman Heitinga Arteta Pienaar

Cahill

Saha

I would hope he tries Jack on the right instead of Ossie .. I know it's not JR's natural position but I actually think you could play Jack anywhere and he'd be better than most , he's a natural  " footballer "  and don't forget the run down the right to set up Mikel's goal against Citteh away last season , in fact , I know Moyes would never do it but he might give Seamus some decent  defensive cover if he chooses to play him ?

Oh yeah ..I'd play Felli ahead of Johnny in midfield all the time , Felli looks as if e's getting even better than before his injury
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: Mikel10 on August 26, 2010, 02:35:07 PM
I'd like to see something different too mate but it's Aston Villa away and Moyes has already shown he will go back to basic's in tricky away games.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: Rhys on August 26, 2010, 07:15:11 PM
I'm not a big Distin fan but there's no way you can drop him after how he's been playing lately.

I could, easily. The guy is a liability. He doesnt have the pace he used to, he doesnt win enough aerial battles and often gets bullied by much weaker forwards than him. He has done ok this season as he did at the start of last but he soon became a big weak link and I would rather stamp that out now rather than a few bad results down the line.

Maybe I am harsh on him, coming in to replace Lescott hasnt helped him in my eyes. It was like going from a Bentley to a Hummer. Looks like it should have something but fails in most aspects. I just have no confidence in him being reliable.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: fast lane on August 26, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
I would hope he tries Jack on the right instead of Ossie .. I know it's not JR's natural position but I actually think you could play Jack anywhere and he'd be better than most , he's a natural  " footballer "  and don't forget the run down the right to set up Mikel's goal against Citteh away last season , in fact , I know Moyes would never do it but he might give Seamus some decent  defensive cover if he chooses to play him ?

Oh yeah ..I'd play Felli ahead of Johnny in midfield all the time , Felli looks as if e's getting even better than before his injury

I wouldn't mind playing Jack on the right, with Victor injured, we don't seem to have anyone in form to play there, and Jack showed yesterday that he in in form.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: ToxtethBlue on August 26, 2010, 07:50:39 PM
Osman will probably get the nod because he played well today, as a centre midfielder.

Rodwell would be another one worth a go outwide, he's played there before, but only when we where down to the bare bones and completely unbalanced. With the likes of Pienaar, Arteta and Fellaini alongside him I think he'd be fine.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: Silas on August 26, 2010, 07:53:59 PM
Distin has arguably been our best player so far this season.  Dropping him would be a stupid thing to do IMO.  I really hope Moyes has a bit of adventure about him and starts either Rodwell, Coleman or Gueye just to give us something different.  Osman did well yesterday because he was in his proper position.  I hate that Moyes refuses to see that.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: Sprooly on August 26, 2010, 07:55:18 PM
I hope Coleman doesnt play Because Downing will tear him a new one

Young plays more behind the striker now so if Hibbert plays it wont be as bad as it has been in the past

need to win
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: blueToffee on August 26, 2010, 08:09:44 PM
I'd hope Coleman at least makes the bench. Having Hibbert with the option of bringing on Neville (or vice versa) is pointless as they're pretty much the same type of player. If we need to change things up then Coleman should be an option as it'd seem as the game goes on he gets more and more useful with his relentless running.

The main problems we have are the RW and DM/CM situation. Fellaini is ready to start again and he should be the number 1 choice at DM. So what happens with Heitinga? I think its time to give him and Jags a go and see how they work.

As for the RW, I don't know how close Anichebe is to being back but Osman should be the competition for Arteta in the middle and should never be out wide if at all possible. I'm not convinced Billy is the man for that position either which leaves us with the same problem we've had for a while... no obvious RW selection. It might be worth seeing if Coleman could do a job there but away to Villa would be a real baptism of fire for such an experiment. Maybe we'll sign a RW before Sunday?  :eh:
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: Silas on August 26, 2010, 08:21:11 PM
To be honest I don't see the need to rush Heitinga back right now.  He doesn't seem on top form as yet and Distin is earning his place.  Use him as cover for Jags, Distin and Fellaini while he gets back on form.
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: taffytoffee on August 26, 2010, 09:39:09 PM
I hope Coleman doesnt play Because Downing will tear him a new one

Young plays more behind the striker now so if Hibbert plays it wont be as bad as it has been in the past

need to win

I'm a big coleman fan but I think hibbert or neville should start against villa as for downing i would nt worry about him i think hes shite and over rated
Title: Re: Team for Sunday
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 26, 2010, 09:43:53 PM
why are people puttin coleman at right back he aint even that good a RB yet.goin forward he is good.  ashely young will rip him or as others say downing
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 26, 2010, 10:24:12 PM
Guess it will depend on how Moyes wants to approach the game.

If he is going to play based on how Villa play, he'll have Neville or Hibbert at rb and Osman on the right of midfield.

If he intends to try and dictate the play, he'll be bold and play Coleman at rb and either Rodwell or Bilya on the right of midfield.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tellittoyourking on August 26, 2010, 10:58:42 PM
Howard

Coleman - Jags - Distin - Baines
             Heitinga
                       Fellaini
Billy            Mikel            Pienaar

                Cahill


Mucha, Cahill, Gueye, Neville, Beckford, Saha, Osman
                 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 26, 2010, 10:59:51 PM
Howard

Coleman - Jags - Distin - Baines
             Heitinga
                       Fellaini
Billy            Mikel            Pienaar

                Cahill


Mucha, Cahill, Gueye, Neville, Beckford, Saha, Osman
                 

No striker and Cahill in the team and on the bench?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Verm on August 26, 2010, 11:20:58 PM
My Third visit to Villa Park this weekend, hopefully third time lucky..
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: kunal32 on August 27, 2010, 01:18:51 AM
2-2

Agbonlahor      Cahill
Downing          Rodwell
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Verm on August 27, 2010, 01:29:24 AM
----------------------Howard--------------------
Hibbert---Jagielka-----Distin------Baines
-----------------------Fellaini--------------------
---Bilyaletdinov---Arteta--------Pienaar--
---------------------------Cahill-------------------
------------------------Saha--------------------------

Bench:  Mucha  Coleman  Heitinga  Rodwell  Osman  Gueye  Beckford

Aston Villa  1 - 2  Everton
Carew-------------------Saha--
---------------------------Cahill-
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Thom on August 27, 2010, 01:54:36 AM
------------------Howard----------------
Neville--Jags---Distin---Baines
Bily---Arteta---Fellaini---Pienaar
-------------------Cahill---------------
-------------Beckford-----------

Bench: Mucha, Hibbert, Heitinga, Osman, Gueye, Saha, Anichebe

2-2. Cahill and Bily for us, Young and Carew for them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: taffytoffee on August 27, 2010, 03:34:01 AM
I hope Heskey is playing for villa sunday, did you see his miss tonight? Pathetic
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on August 27, 2010, 04:05:53 AM
I wonder if Moyes will consider using Coleman as a right winger, we clearly lack an outlet out there and none of the players are making that position there own.

I'm not really a fan of attacking fullbacks moving forward, it's a competely different ball game playing as a winger but Coleman looks to have an varied attacking game aswell as pace. He can overlap, run with the ball at his feet and even cut inside and drive into central areas.

Could be worth a go, Moyes clearly isn't going to play him at fullback at the moment.

I agree, a couple of people have mentioned this now, and I think it's worth a go. Even if it's not to start the game,give him half an hour at the end and see how he gets on.
Title: Villa Sunday
Post by: Twiggy on August 27, 2010, 04:07:51 AM
After watching Villa tonight and their dire defence again, should we just go all out for attack on Sunday and play a really attacking team?

They will concede goals for fun and Moyes should just go all out to score goals with maybe a 3-5-2 with Rodwell,Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar and Felliani all starting and Beckford and Saha up front.

Goals to be scored Sunday if we want to.
Title: Re: Villa Sunday
Post by: DJ1994 on August 27, 2010, 04:11:57 AM
they always perform against us no matter there strength and depth..
Title: Re: Villa Sunday
Post by: Gash on August 27, 2010, 04:13:04 AM
We're away from home, it will be a standard 4-5-1 formation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Trowel on August 27, 2010, 04:14:31 AM
Interesting parallels with what Spurs have done in converting Bale from a slightly ropey full back into a solid attacking threat.
Title: Re: Villa Sunday
Post by: brap2 on August 27, 2010, 04:16:13 AM
4-5-1, osman on in the 75th minute, providing he doesnt start.
Title: Re: Villa Sunday
Post by: Confucius on August 27, 2010, 04:25:43 AM
I thought a thread existed. It's even stickied

I always wanted to say that   :tongue:
Title: Re: Villa Sunday
Post by: charlatan on August 27, 2010, 04:32:02 AM
After watching Villa tonight and their dire defence again, should we just go all out for attack on Sunday and play a really attacking team?

We SHOULD do!

I can guarantee we won't tho :headbang:
Title: Re: Villa Sunday
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 27, 2010, 04:33:50 AM
After watching Villa tonight and their dire defence again, should we just go all out for attack on Sunday and play a really attacking team?

They will concede goals for fun and Moyes should just go all out to score goals with maybe a 3-5-2 with Rodwell,Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar and Felliani all starting and Beckford and Saha up front.

Goals to be scored Sunday if we want to.

lolol

This is Everton we're talking about isn't it?
Title: Re: Villa Sunday
Post by: Scouse Ruletero on August 27, 2010, 04:51:15 AM
lolol

This is Everton we're talking about isn't it?

Our last two league games at Villa finished 2-2 and 3-3. In both games we went 'all out and attacked'.

The idea of us doing so again on Sunday isn't that funny at all.
Title: Re: Villa Sunday
Post by: Connavar on August 27, 2010, 06:14:35 AM
I'd very much love to see two up front on Sunday. But Moyes basically invented 4-5-1 and must get some kind of royalty bonus for every game we play that formation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2010, 07:39:23 AM
I expect us to beat Villa now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 27, 2010, 08:55:27 AM
I expect us to beat Villa now.

I agree, we really cannot drop 2 or 3 points against a demoralised side. They are ripe for a beating.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tellittoyourking on August 27, 2010, 05:26:10 PM
Howard

Coleman - Jags - Distin - Baines
             Heitinga
                       Fellaini
Billy            Mikel            Pienaar

                Cahill


Mucha, Cahill, Gueye, Neville, Beckford, Saha, Osman

No striker and Cahill in the team and on the bench?

Haha, swap Cahill (bench version) for Yobo.

Just don't think Saha is in the kind of form to lead the line, might be a bit soon for Beckford. I would consider playing Yak if he was fit, but, like everyone else, I don't know what is going on there.

I just really like the look of that midfield and am loathe to drop Tim. He loves a goal against Villa; plus my old uni flatmates are Villa fans and can't stand him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Mikel10 on August 27, 2010, 06:33:32 PM
I think we'll get turned over here. Villa will be raring to get the fans back on their side and we just haven't looked any good in the past 2 games in the Premiership.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2010, 06:52:44 PM
Hopefully he plays Neville or Hibbert so that if we don't win, we can convince ourselves that we would have done if Seamus had played. If he starts, and we don't, then surely there's no point in ever going to a game again.

On a serious note, they have to be demoralised after last night. To have scored fairly late on only to have then lost it must have been a blow.

Their manager will know he's only holding the fort now, whereas if thay had gone through he could still have been in with a chance of getting the job properly.

If we go looking to win (I think they'd take a draw) then I'd expect a victory. If we also look for a draw anything could happen.

If we had come off a week where we'd lost 6-0 to Newcastle and then at home to Rapid again, whereas they'd won 5-1 in midweek I know that we'd be pretty pessimistic. Surely the same must apply to them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: .Rimbo. on August 27, 2010, 08:13:12 PM
I could, easily. The guy is a liability. He doesnt have the pace he used to, he doesnt win enough aerial battles and often gets bullied by much weaker forwards than him. He has done ok this season as he did at the start of last but he soon became a big weak link and I would rather stamp that out now rather than a few bad results down the line.

Maybe I am harsh on him, coming in to replace Lescott hasnt helped him in my eyes. It was like going from a Bentley to a Hummer. Looks like it should have something but fails in most aspects. I just have no confidence in him being reliable.

I agree with your assessment of him, but I was coming more from the angle of what type of message would it send to the players if you're playing well and you're just dropped? He's been better than Jagielka as of late so it would be unfair on him to drop him instead.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Bally on August 27, 2010, 08:13:23 PM
Team news fresh from the press conference: Yobo (thigh), Yakubu (illness) and Anichebe (knee) miss Villa game. Neville (foot) also a doubt.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Verm on August 27, 2010, 08:17:44 PM
Team news fresh from the press conference: Yobo (thigh), Yakubu (illness) and Anichebe (knee) miss Villa game. Neville (foot) also a doubt.

We have a chance then...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2010, 08:37:23 PM
Neville's foot is always a doubt.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Sres on August 27, 2010, 10:42:04 PM
Howard

Coleman - Jags - Distin - Baines
             Heitinga
                       Fellaini
Billy            Mikel            Pienaar

                Cahill


Mucha, Cahill, Gueye, Neville, Beckford, Saha, Osman

Haha, swap Cahill (bench version) for Yobo.

Just don't think Saha is in the kind of form to lead the line, might be a bit soon for Beckford. I would consider playing Yak if he was fit, but, like everyone else, I don't know what is going on there.

I just really like the look of that midfield and am loathe to drop Tim. He loves a goal against Villa; plus my old uni flatmates are Villa fans and can't stand him.

We know Coleman is a bit iffy defending, but does he need Howard right behind him?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tellittoyourking on August 27, 2010, 11:09:03 PM
We know Coleman is a bit iffy defending, but does he need Howard right behind him?

Yes
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2010, 11:32:51 PM
Hopefully he plays Neville or Hibbert so that if we don't win, we can convince ourselves that we would have done if Seamus had played. If he starts, and we don't, then surely there's no point in ever going to a game again.

On a serious note, they have to be demoralised after last night. To have scored fairly late on only to have then lost it must have been a blow.

Their manager will know he's only holding the fort now, whereas if thay had gone through he could still have been in with a chance of getting the job properly.

If we go looking to win (I think they'd take a draw) then I'd expect a victory. If we also look for a draw anything could happen.

If we had come off a week where we'd lost 6-0 to Newcastle and then at home to Rapid again, whereas they'd won 5-1 in midweek I know that we'd be pretty pessimistic. Surely the same must apply to them.

That is exactly my mindset when watching games these days :)

As for Villa I hope we don't go in their "meekly" as we've been in this situation before when teams are there for the taking but we give them enough room to build their confidence back up and we end up dropping points. We're going to have to score more than once though as we need to account for Carew scoring against us yet again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: .Rimbo. on August 27, 2010, 11:57:31 PM
Neville's foot is always a doubt.

lolol lolol  :hail:
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 28, 2010, 01:45:12 AM
Neville's foot is always a doubt.
lolol
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: the doc on August 28, 2010, 05:11:49 AM
theres always goals between us and Villa, Ashley Young plays usually 2 cracking games all season both against us, I'm going for a 4-3 win to us! We need to go all out attack and for a change! But we haven't beaten them in 8 league games so the game is my safety on IKTS
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Ferrie7 on August 28, 2010, 04:05:15 PM
GK: Howard
RB: Hibbert
CB: Jagielka
CB: Distin
LB: Baines
RM: Pienaar
CM: Arteta
CM: Fellaini
LM: Gueye
AM: Cahill
ST: Beckford

Subs: Mucha, Heitinga, Coleman, Osman, Saha, Bilyaletdinov, Rodwell
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: VBlue on August 28, 2010, 04:41:47 PM
Score draw.  Villa did not become a bad team overnight, although their caretaker manager did accept some team selection naivety in the loss to Newcastle.  Poor mid-week result at home too.  Still capable and these are always hard-fought encounters with goals from both sides.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on August 28, 2010, 08:15:53 PM
I was interviewed by a Villa site to give an "opposition" view on the game

http://www.avillafan.com/opposition-view-everton/ (http://www.avillafan.com/opposition-view-everton/)

Nil Satis Nasi Optimum  :eh:



Are there any youngsters coming through the ranks at St James Park worth keeping an eye out for. Gosling?  :eh:
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Shogun on August 28, 2010, 09:19:03 PM
i want

howard
neville jags heitinga baines
coleman arteta felli rodwell pienaar
saha

we will see
howard
neville jags distin baines
bily arteta felli pienaar
cahill
saha

banch: mucha hibbert coleman rodwell osman vaughan beckford

still 2 0 to the blues felli and saha
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: HungryHungryHibbo on August 28, 2010, 11:34:14 PM
I'd rather see beckford than saha at the moment...saha's been dire
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 12:08:07 AM
Beckford every time and I don't want Coleman on the wing.  He doesn't even want to play there.  He sees himself as a fullback.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: HungryHungryHibbo on August 29, 2010, 12:21:23 AM
Beckford every time and I don't want Coleman on the wing.  He doesn't even want to play there.  He sees himself as a fullback.

I don't think he would complain too much; he'd have more license to go forward and he would get some decent playing time
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 29, 2010, 12:22:21 AM
If Heitinga and Fellaini are fit, they should always start IMO. And that means Distin should drop to the bench, despite his good form.

Ideally:

Howard
Baines
Heitinga
Jags
Coleman
Pienaar
Arteta
Fellaini
Cahill
Bilya
Saha
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 01:32:52 AM
Is it on in 3D tomorrow? Pub by mines got 3D now
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: taffytoffee on August 29, 2010, 03:21:03 AM
I hope rodders plays at least 30mins tomorrow i can't see him starting in front of cahill because he did well against them last season but Rodders deserves time on the pitch
 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 03:09:41 PM
Agree with you, Si. This is our chance to beat them instead of drawing again because of John Bloody Carew barging his way through our defence.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: JT on August 29, 2010, 03:34:02 PM
Think Moyes has problems figuring out how to accomodate the players now that he has more of a squad of good players.

I expect

                   Howard

Hibbert - Jags - Distin - Baines
             Heitinga
                       Fellaini
Ossie            Mikel            Pienaar

                Cahill


But we may get

                  Howard

Hibbert - Jags - Distin - Baines
             Heitinga
                       Fellaini
Mikel            Cahill            Pienaar

                Beckford

Or my preference would be

                  Howard

Hibbert - Jags - Heitinga - Baines
                 Fellaini
Bily   Rodwell  Mikel   Pienaar

                Cahill

Think we have to get Jack playing somehow and prefer Jonny at Centre half to Distin.  It's difficult as for me Felli, Mikel and Tim are all undroppable when on form but Jack needs to play. One answer could be to shift Mikel to the right and have Jack, Felli and Tim in the middle but we would need to believe that we can still create chances with this change and a lot of pressure would be on Jack and Felli to control the middle and Mik and Stevie to create from wide positions.

Difficult times for Davie and Steve Round while they find the right mix

Jason
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: .Rimbo. on August 29, 2010, 05:00:31 PM
Beckford has to start over Saha again. I'd like to see Rodwell handed a start in Cahill's role too.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 29, 2010, 06:58:05 PM
Cahill scored last week tho so thats not gonna happen

I think he might go with jags at right back today.... dunno why just a feeling i got
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Blueney-tunes on August 29, 2010, 07:08:58 PM
Beckford has to start over Saha again. I'd like to see Rodwell handed a start in Cahill's role too.

Cahill has to play this one. Their defence is all over the shop!
If ever there was an easy game for Tim todays is it.

Distin being dropped aint happening, hes playing well lately. Johnny warming bench im affraid.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on August 29, 2010, 09:09:41 PM
Anyone have the roster yet?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Rodwell26 on August 29, 2010, 09:11:44 PM
hib,jag, dis, baines, pie, fell, rod, arteta, cah, beckford
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: VBlue on August 29, 2010, 09:12:02 PM
1510: BREAKING EVERTON TEAM NEWS:
Jack Rodwell starts for the Toffees at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Loverboy Blue on August 29, 2010, 09:12:55 PM
Howard. Hibbert, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Felliani, Rodwell, Pienaar, Arteta, Cahill, Beckford
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 29, 2010, 09:15:28 PM
1510: BREAKING EVERTON TEAM NEWS:
Jack Rodwell starts for the Toffees at Villa Park.

The question is where is he playing? I hope it'll not be another square peg in a round hole situation.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Risky on August 29, 2010, 09:16:38 PM
The question is where is he playing? I hope it'll not be another square peg in a round hole situation.

Looks like one of Rodwell or Arteta is playing on the right hand side.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on August 29, 2010, 09:18:36 PM
Still don't understand why we do not start Heitinga at RB over Hibbo
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Outworlder47 on August 29, 2010, 09:26:54 PM
Not a terrible-looking starting eleven today. Curious as to who's on the bench, though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 09:26:56 PM
Because Heitinga is no better if not a bit worse than Hibbert at right back.  Coleman I can see the argument for but Heitinga is clearly a class centre back/dm
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on August 29, 2010, 09:27:53 PM
Not a terrible-looking starting eleven today. Curious as to who's on the bench, though.

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2010/08/29/rodwell-keeps-his-place (http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2010/08/29/rodwell-keeps-his-place)

.

The teenage midfielder is included in a midfield that also features Tim Cahill and Mikel Arteta.

The high profile pair were rested for the midweek win over Huddersfield and are joined by Marouane Fellaini and Steven Pienaar in the centre of the park.

Seamus Coleman and Magaye Gueye drop to the bench, with John Heitinga also missing out.

Tim Howard is back in goal but Jermaine Beckford continues up front.

The back four is Everton's regular one, comprising Tony Hibbert, Leighton Baines, Sylvain Distin and Phil Jagielka.

There are plenty of options on the bench, with Louis Saha, Diniyar Bilyaletdinov and Leon Osman also waiting in the wings.

Phil Neville is still sidelined with a foot injury.

Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Fellaini, Rodwell, Beckford. Subs: Mucha, Heitinga, Bilyaletdinov, Saha, Gueye, Osman, Coleman.

 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 09:28:33 PM
Lets hope we can get up and running today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Outworlder47 on August 29, 2010, 09:31:27 PM
Thank you, nomorechang. That bench seems about right, considering who is and who isn't available at the moment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on August 29, 2010, 09:34:17 PM
So what's the general consensus on right midfield then? Arteta, Rodwell or (heaven forbid) Cahill. I expect to see mikel there but I'd like to see Jack there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Thom on August 29, 2010, 09:37:45 PM
Looks like Rodwell and Arteta may interchange between centre midfield and the right wing.

Ashley Young will play behind Carew today too, so it's Downing and Albrighton on the wings for Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: taffytoffee on August 29, 2010, 09:38:44 PM
I can see us winning this 3-1 rodders on the right and on the scoresheet
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: RICH on August 29, 2010, 09:43:47 PM
That's good if Ireland is out see him go off but missed what they said
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: taffytoffee on August 29, 2010, 09:45:53 PM
That's good if Ireland is out see him go off but missed what they said

ireland out reo coker in
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 09:47:04 PM
Up for this, good team selection (I would prefer to see Arteta on the right if it comes down to it).
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on August 29, 2010, 09:49:42 PM
Has Rodders ever played on the wing for us before?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 29, 2010, 09:50:00 PM
Because Heitinga is no better if not a bit worse than Hibbert at right back.  Coleman I can see the argument for but Heitinga is clearly a class centre back/dm

Exactly.

Fitting your best players into the starting XI is not a good idea if they aren't playing in a position that suits them.

Very few players can play well in more than one position. At Everton I struggle to think of more than a couple of players that can play two positions to the same level. Of anyone in the team I'd probably say Pienaar was the most flexible as he can play well on either wing and in the middle of the park too to roughly the same degree. Heitinga does a good job at CB and DM and Lescott before him was a good CB and LB.

I know we only saw Heitinga briefly at RB (for those of us who didn't see him play at Athletico) but he didn't seem to have any natural RB attributes you tend to look for. Keep him in the middle like Osman and it'll be best for all concerned.  
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: bloody scally on August 29, 2010, 09:56:22 PM
Moyes experimenting a bit with Rodwell in there. 4-1-3-2 ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: taffytoffee on August 29, 2010, 10:02:40 PM
been on the villa boards they seem to think its a blessing thet irelands out because they ve got a much more balanced side with reo coker in
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:05:37 PM
That was a great run by Baines
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:09:29 PM
Shit
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on August 29, 2010, 10:10:11 PM
Miskick from felli for the goal there, but where was distin!?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 10:10:31 PM
Fuck.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: RICH on August 29, 2010, 10:11:10 PM
6 fuckin players we had back then shocking
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 10:12:13 PM
Distin should have picked up Young.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gibbsy76 on August 29, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
Un-fucking-believable...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cantoffie on August 29, 2010, 10:12:22 PM
HA! we're a fuckling joke
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 10:12:50 PM
Panties.

We've looked better though and it's early days.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Thom on August 29, 2010, 10:13:28 PM
That really was abysmal defending.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 10:14:39 PM
We look fine, I'm happy with our control of the flow of play.  I think we'll equalize fairly shortly at this pace.  (*awaits second goal by Villa to make me look silly)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on August 29, 2010, 10:14:53 PM
Is this what passes for defense now?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cantoffie on August 29, 2010, 10:15:15 PM
Watch... Villa are going to slow the game down and mop up our poor excuse for passing(Hoof ball) until the half time whistle then we will come out and play even worse. and moyes will make 3 ghost subs in the 85 min
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:15:36 PM
is it me or do we seem to not switched on ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:17:10 PM
Going forward we look bright but that was awful from Fellaini (who seems very sloppy so far) and Distin is being owned.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on August 29, 2010, 10:18:12 PM
Cracking effort from pienaar!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:18:13 PM
Lovely from Pienaar and Baines.  So unlucky!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 10:18:16 PM
What a great opportunity, nice work, Everton!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:19:32 PM
distin actually got fouled.. but still felliani should of done his job lol
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 10:20:29 PM
Nice move, unlucky by pienaar
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on August 29, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
Great attempt. Inches away from equalizing
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 29, 2010, 10:22:11 PM
We seem to get punished everytime we make a mistake.  Rodwell has been a spectator on the right.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:23:38 PM
We seem to get punished everytime we make a mistake.  Rodwell has been a spectator on the right.

Well he has no chance of support with Downing and Warnock for Hibbert to defend against.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 10:24:01 PM
Nice cross by Baines, he's really impressing me these last few games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:26:40 PM
i fuckin hate villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:27:47 PM
Hibbo!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 10:28:04 PM
We may be behind so far, but we're owning the midfield, lovely stuff.  I wonder how much is down to the management void at Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 29, 2010, 10:28:50 PM
A lot of nice football but it's not going anywhere.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on August 29, 2010, 10:28:56 PM
All of our build up is coming down the left side....we're being too one dimensional
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 10:30:09 PM
Bring on Coleman in place of Hibbert
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:30:11 PM
Gutted we are behind as this is the best I have seen us play in ages.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:31:20 PM
To be fair to Hibbert his last two runs have been excellent.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 10:31:46 PM
Gutted we are behind as this is the best I have seen us play in ages.

I'm not.  If we keep playing like this, it's more likely that the goals will start coming before the players lose hope.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:32:43 PM
yer we hope..
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 10:36:41 PM
Great defending by Fellaini
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 29, 2010, 10:37:37 PM
Why do we look so clueless in the final 3rd.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on August 29, 2010, 10:37:44 PM
Once we get our first I think a 2nd will quickly follow
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:37:57 PM
its beyond me how were losing here
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: bloody scally on August 29, 2010, 10:38:14 PM
Top 4 my fucking arse. We will be lucky to get top half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Caesar on August 29, 2010, 10:38:38 PM
So much pressure and over 65% of pocession surely we MUST score??
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cantoffie on August 29, 2010, 10:39:20 PM
its beyond me how were losing here
Well Felli fell asleep. thats why.  but we are presuring very well

Baines 10/10 for me so far.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
i agree.. we need to score.. friedels not been busy in all fairness
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 10:40:10 PM
Baines as been excellent. They can't quite deal with him yet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 29, 2010, 10:40:34 PM
totally dominating but how many saves has Friedel had to make?

we need to create more chances out of this possession or they'll hit us on the break eventually

This, its no good dominating our own half and the centre cirlce, we need to start creating.  Everytime the ball breaks near A.Young, I expect him to turn our defenders and create something.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Caesar on August 29, 2010, 10:40:38 PM
Saha must come on
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
I think someone like Bily might be needed today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 10:42:06 PM
The thing I've noticed is that we push a good number of players into the last quarter of the field and it crowds the box.  It would be nice to pull the defenders out of shape then hit them with good runs and passes.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:42:16 PM
id only bring saha on if were putting 2 upfront. otherwise beckford has been ok
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 10:44:21 PM
We really need a quality striker
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:45:52 PM
dnt know of any1 else agrees here, but im scared everytime we try and defend we just look uncomfortable
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on August 29, 2010, 10:46:34 PM
Our problem today hasn't been due to the lack of a quality striker.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 10:47:21 PM
dnt know of any1 else agrees here, but im scared everytime we try and defend we just look uncomfortable

We also look scared to score as well
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:47:27 PM
We really need a quality striker

A quality striker wouldn't have scored.  Not like Beckford has had any chances to take.  We have been by far the better side but I fear if we don't capitalise on our possession early second half we are going to lose this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:47:54 PM
because you have to shoot to score and weve not really troubled friedel as of yet
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cad on August 29, 2010, 10:48:02 PM
Saha will prob come on for Beckford in the second half, but I don't know how anyone can criticise Hibbo today. He's done well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: bloody scally on August 29, 2010, 10:48:48 PM
Saha on for Beckford. Coleman on for Rodwell or Rodwell change position with Hibbert off. Bilya or Osman would prove more useful than Fellaini.

Moyes needs to make changes in one way or another.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Dublin Toffee on August 29, 2010, 10:49:04 PM
Hibbo keeps losing the ball up field and hasn't contributed anything going forward.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 29, 2010, 10:49:43 PM
Beckford's touch is very poor though. We not creating anything bar Baines.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: dunkster on August 29, 2010, 10:49:51 PM
nowhere near enough shots for our possesion.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: .Rimbo. on August 29, 2010, 10:51:08 PM
You're always going to struggle when you can't get it right at either end of the pitch, regardless of how you do elsewhere. For some reason we just leak goals (Pienaar's fault for that one) and there's just no incision at the other end.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 29, 2010, 10:51:52 PM
We look dodgy at the back and toothless upfront, not a combination thats going to win us lots of games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Thom on August 29, 2010, 10:52:03 PM
Bereft of ideas at one end, and look increasingly shaky against their counter attacks at the other.

Rodwell and Beckford have largely been spectators so far. The final ball from everyone except Baines is really letting us down. We could come unstuck here if we don't get an early goal in the second half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:52:20 PM
cahill of for saha.. but moyes wont do that will he
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: irishtoffee on August 29, 2010, 10:52:53 PM
lucky not to have given away a penalty just before half time. looked like pienaar clipped albrighton's leg as he was about to cross
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:54:14 PM
Hibbert has been good today IMO especially when he started to push forward after the goal. We just haven't been clinical enough despite it being a very good team performance.  Coleman might help as he would put more pressure on Downing and Warnock but Hibbert has had a good game. 

Saha for Beckford second half as we need someone to create something out of nothing and as apathetic as he can be, he is capable of that.  Bilya for Rodwell later on too.  He can change a game with a shot as well.

Baines has been a different class today.  Capello must be impressed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 10:54:59 PM
i thought thas was a penalty myself. we just gotta score early on ,and dont leave it late were can be caught on the counter
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 29, 2010, 10:55:28 PM
To be fair to Beckford he hasn't had any chances, and Ive seen Saha give the ball away just a much.  Coleman and Bilya on for Hibbert and Cahill, move Rodwell just off Beckford.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 29, 2010, 10:56:06 PM
Not that Hibbo's had a bad game but I feel we need to go for it here so I'd bring Coleman on. We need to play down both the right and left and get Rodwell into the game. I'd like to see Felli stay on as I think we need him and he's gotten progressively less sloppy but I can see Moyes bringing on Heitinga.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 10:56:33 PM
If Pienaar touched him it was the tiniest touch and he was on his way down anyway.  He pulled out the tackle.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 29, 2010, 10:57:34 PM
Fellaini has dominated midfield though. he wins all their goalkicks marking Carew. Nobody else in or squad would keep Carew quiet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Risky on August 29, 2010, 10:58:07 PM
I don't see any point in swapping Beckford for Saha, I don't see Saha offering anything different except for perhaps less workrate.

We're just not creating the chances that our dominance deserves, and to be fair this has been a problem for a long time in my opinion.  Baines for example - as good as he's been going forward he tends to hold on to the ball for a bit too long.  We need to be far more incisive when we get in to attacking positions.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 11:00:48 PM
Bily on, we need a bit of his magic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:01:01 PM
Fellaini has dominated midfield though. he wins all their goalkicks marking Carew. Nobody else in or squad would keep Carew quiet.

To be fair he started dominating after his calamitous mistake.  He has been solid since.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 29, 2010, 11:02:19 PM
Need Coleman on I think. If we have both flanks running at Villa, they will really struggle.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Risky on August 29, 2010, 11:02:44 PM
To be fair he started dominating after his calamitous mistake.  He has been solid since.

It wasn't a calimitous mistake at all.  It was a mistake that ended up leading to something much worse due to some appalling defending afterwards.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:02:51 PM
Fox giving Beckford some serious grief.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 29, 2010, 11:02:56 PM
Agreed, we tend to initially break quickly and then someone holds the ball too long or plays it back and slows the play down meaning that we have to break down 9 players instead of 5 or 6 who are back tracking. We should still score though, we've been much better than them overall and our weak points seem to be in central defence, Jags and Distin seem confused and unless we score I think they'll eventually hit us on the counter.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:03:30 PM
Need Coleman on I think. If we have both flanks running at Villa, they will really struggle.

Even though I know it wont happen, Cahill off, Coleman on on the right side of midfield and push Rodwell into the hole.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 29, 2010, 11:04:35 PM
I think Rodwell much like Osman is wasted on the right and yet again we're predictable in how reliant we are on the left side to create any chances.

I'd be predictable in suggesting Coleman at some point but we need to switch things up as it isn't working and Osman isn't it either.

We've been very sloppy today all round. The main disappointment is how little we're creating though.


The best chance of coming back into this is if Beckford draws another yellow card against Dunne.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:04:57 PM
It wasn't a calimitous mistake at all.  It was a mistake that ended up leading to something much worse due to some appalling defending afterwards.

Oh come on, his passing was very sloppy first ten minutes and that mistake summed it up.  The subsequent defending was dire as well and he did pick up quickly but it is a mark of how he is playing this season that he always seems off the pace for the first fifteen.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cantoffie on August 29, 2010, 11:06:02 PM
A rather Lackluster restart.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 11:07:58 PM
Rodwell off for Osman or Billy
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:09:01 PM
were so fuckin slow or we seem to slow it down right on there box
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 29, 2010, 11:10:24 PM
I'm not the personnel needs changing.  We have the possession.  Probably some tactical changes.  Don't know what but then I'm not the manager. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:12:29 PM
I hope he leaves Beckford on when be brings Saha on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:14:04 PM
why wont he ever put 2 up top. hel never learn
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:14:49 PM
OMG, a good cross from Hibbert!  Did my eyes deceive me?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:15:48 PM
The 4-5-1 formation we keep playing is just not working one bit, we have not got a striker that is good enough to play upfront on their own
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 29, 2010, 11:15:52 PM
Like for like substition... Would never have guessed ;)

Not sure Moyes likes to "go for it".

On a side note, nice cross by Hibbert there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:16:47 PM
Bloody nice save by Howard there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:16:53 PM
OMG, a good cross from Hibbert!  Did my eyes deceive me?

Hibbert has had a very good game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 29, 2010, 11:17:07 PM
Yikes, lucky there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:18:53 PM
Yikes, lucky there.

Not lucky, great double save from Howard.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 11:19:24 PM
Great saves from Howard
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:20:49 PM
fuck of there is no god if we dont score
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
We have really stepped it up since Saha came on.  COYB!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:22:09 PM
fuck of there is no god if we dont score

Don't blame god, blame the lack of a quality striker
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 11:22:40 PM
One thing that we can be sure of it that if there is a God, he was only an Evertonian during the 80s. :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 29, 2010, 11:23:18 PM
Don't blame god, blame the lack of a quality striker

or how about a good save from the keeper
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:23:51 PM
jags what the fuck was you doin!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 11:23:58 PM
poor ball by jags  meant to be to dustbin but ended up to young..
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:24:02 PM
Fucking look up Jags.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: slothzen on August 29, 2010, 11:24:22 PM
Jags, jesus
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:24:38 PM
Ouch, Rodiwell could have done his ankle then.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:25:41 PM
or how about a good save from the keeper

A good save, what about all the other chances that we have not taken in the other 3 premiership games
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:26:12 PM
Game over... Agbonlahor is coming on, he always scores against us
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 29, 2010, 11:26:19 PM
Agbonlahor coming on, watch us get hit on the break now
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on August 29, 2010, 11:26:23 PM
Get coleman on, or at least shift mikel out wide. I love jack, and he's been ok but he just doesn't stay out wide!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 29, 2010, 11:27:01 PM
Not lucky, great double save from Howard.

It was a good recovery from Howard but the Nick of Jags could've gone anywhere.

Anyhow COYB...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 29, 2010, 11:27:03 PM
are you a female.cos all you ever do is moan.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: irishtoffee on August 29, 2010, 11:27:20 PM
jags is having a very poor game outside of a last ditch block. cahill has barely touched the ball. we need to change things up. free kick in a good spot here
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on August 29, 2010, 11:27:55 PM
Seamus on the wing?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 29, 2010, 11:27:57 PM
Wow. Coleman on at RW.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:28:09 PM
Moyes reads our forums!  He brought on Coleman in midfield!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:28:19 PM
Coleman on :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on August 29, 2010, 11:28:31 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: slothzen on August 29, 2010, 11:28:42 PM
YES COLEMAN ON THE WING!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 11:28:59 PM
Happy that Coleman is on. With some protection behind him he could do some damage here.

Hope Rodwell is ok, though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:29:58 PM
Coleman/Hibbo combo, that is just fucking surreal!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:30:13 PM
come on everton please
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 29, 2010, 11:30:13 PM
artetas fucking balls are awful ..
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 11:30:53 PM
HIBBO and COLEMAN, there is a god.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:31:30 PM
jags again lol oh my word but did u see how many runners they broke with then?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 11:31:56 PM
artetas fucking balls are awful ..
thats what she said :snigger:
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:32:01 PM
Cahill for rightback after that
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:32:44 PM
artetas fucking balls are awful ..

Are you a woman, because all you do is moan, especially about balls
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 11:33:49 PM
Albrightons miss = lolol
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 29, 2010, 11:34:50 PM
 all i do is moan. i think your wrong there, thats my first moan about an everton player for a long time..you moan that there bringin on a sub and he always scores against us..i dont think any of your posts since u joined this site have been positive.just utter negative shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:35:12 PM
Bilya on now, he would be on the end of one of these balls by Hibbo/Coleman/Baines.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:35:23 PM
We should change our nickname to "Wolves"...because we huff and puff but cannot blow the door down :-)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: slothzen on August 29, 2010, 11:35:31 PM
coleman awesome play
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: irishtoffee on August 29, 2010, 11:35:53 PM
at last some real pressure. must score
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cad on August 29, 2010, 11:35:58 PM
Something has to give here...one way or the other.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 11:36:10 PM
Here comes jonny!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:37:11 PM
only everton this... anybody else would have scored
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Blueney-tunes on August 29, 2010, 11:37:29 PM
Managerless, knocked out of Europe, lost 6-0 to the barcodes, sold their best player... and were losing to them!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:37:41 PM
Coleman seriously needs to be played on right midfield more.  What a difference he makes there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 11:39:06 PM
All in the balance right now. Either we could go on to score a few or they'll hit us on the break. The tension!

Coleman looks very, very bright. With Hibbo behind him he's free to bomb down the wing and he looks very dangerous and I love how direct he is. Fellaini causing all kinds of problems in the box. C'mon lads!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 29, 2010, 11:39:15 PM
if arteta takes this free kick i hope it doesnt hit the wall for once
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:39:45 PM
We need a someone else on the pitch who can score goals, so what does DM do....bring on Heitinger
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 29, 2010, 11:39:48 PM
pmsl/ wot a joke
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 11:39:51 PM
if arteta takes this free kick i hope it doesnt hit the wall for once
you where wrong
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: EFC Azza on August 29, 2010, 11:40:15 PM
PANTS PANTS PANTS
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 29, 2010, 11:40:22 PM
i know im always wrong.lol
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:40:50 PM
oh my god why are we cursed  come on everton fuckinell
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on August 29, 2010, 11:41:19 PM
Do we ever practice set pieces?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:41:59 PM
Managerless, knocked out of Europe, lost 6-0 to the barcodes, sold their best player... and were losing to them!

Seriously?  We've played some of our best football, but just haven't produced the chances we've needed to score, and all you can do is say that the sky is falling?  Useless.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 11:42:37 PM
Do we ever practice set pieces?

We did. Two seasons ago!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:42:49 PM
distin is  SHIT  he fuckin panics
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 29, 2010, 11:43:19 PM
Do we ever practice set pieces?

do we have anyone else to take them apart from arteta
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: EFC Azza on August 29, 2010, 11:43:31 PM
Come on ffs
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cad on August 29, 2010, 11:43:45 PM
Talk about the Alamo...and still we can't fucking score!!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: irishtoffee on August 29, 2010, 11:44:02 PM
this is turning into a nightmare.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:44:53 PM
Do we ever practice set pieces?

Arteta clearly needs to.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:45:26 PM
we just cant stick it in
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gary Iceman on August 29, 2010, 11:46:09 PM
Arteta clearly needs to.

your not wrong there
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:46:57 PM
This is ridiculous, 3 points should be ours!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:47:07 PM
right im of to top meself
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on August 29, 2010, 11:47:31 PM
16 or 17 corners and none of them any good. FFS
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:47:32 PM
Maybe not time to start panicing, but 1 point in 9 and Man U coming up, it might be time to start soon
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:48:33 PM
4 minutes to save it
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Blueney-tunes on August 29, 2010, 11:48:51 PM
Seriously?  We've played some of our best football, but just haven't produced the chances we've needed to score, and all you can do is say that the sky is falling?  Useless.

My bad. What a jolly good game of football one is watching...
You stupid cnut!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: EFC Azza on August 29, 2010, 11:50:36 PM
aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggg ggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhh
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on August 29, 2010, 11:52:20 PM
I know were not allowed to say this but... arteta has been poor today and the last few games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:52:29 PM
I seriously cannot understand Moyes thinking. We are 1-0 all over them he brings on Coleman which should have been in place of Hibbert, and then brings on Heitinger instead of Bily or even Osman even though i cannot believe i said that lol
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 29, 2010, 11:52:34 PM
My bad. What a jolly good game of football one is watching...
You stupid cnut!

Yeah, you're right, Everton are shit, there's nothing positive about their play.  Everton play shit unless they score, how could I forget?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: cad on August 29, 2010, 11:53:00 PM
Another glorious fucking defeat...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: MexicanToffee on August 29, 2010, 11:53:08 PM
Oh bollox....nothing else just this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 29, 2010, 11:53:25 PM
FFS!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 29, 2010, 11:53:27 PM
how? I have never seen a game like that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cantoffie on August 29, 2010, 11:53:30 PM
Fuck.

that is all. Im taking a nap.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:53:39 PM
I cannot believe we didn't win that never mind fucking lose, that was just...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:53:47 PM
fuck of everton fuck of whos next man u? oh great
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Caesar on August 29, 2010, 11:53:52 PM
Such a shame
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Derek on August 29, 2010, 11:53:55 PM
Pants. Dire straits so far.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: C-R-A-I-G on August 29, 2010, 11:53:58 PM
What the fuck is wrong with us? We dominate a game against a team who got beat 6-0 by relegation candidates and we still fuckin lose. Worst start in over 10 fuckin years. I give up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cantoffie on August 29, 2010, 11:54:43 PM
Yeah, you're right, Everton are shit, there's nothing positive about their play.  Everton play shit unless they score, how could I forget?
That is the point of football right?

to be fair we had few *clear cut* chances on goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 29, 2010, 11:55:23 PM
I seriously cannot understand Moyes thinking. We are 1-0 all over them he brings on Coleman which should have been in place of Hibbert, and then brings on Heitinger instead of Bily or even Osman even though i cannot believe i said that lol

Seriously Chris you are messing?  The only wrong sub was Heitinga as Hibbert was having a great game.  Moyes has made some terrible decisions lately but today just wasn't our day.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:55:29 PM
2 days for Kenwrong to open his purse and let DM buy a quality striker
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cantoffie on August 29, 2010, 11:55:32 PM
fuck of everton fuck of whos next man u? oh great
and liverpool just to rub salt in the wounds.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 29, 2010, 11:55:42 PM
no matter how good we played  WE CANT FUCKING SCORE
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on August 29, 2010, 11:55:46 PM
What's our excuse this year? Last year our poor start was due to injuries.  This year we have a fully capable and fit squad yet after 3 games we have 1 point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 29, 2010, 11:56:11 PM
Unlucky in the 2nd half but our worse start for 11 years............. and Man U to come. What's to blame now as we cant blame injuries, Lescott etc??
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: dunkster on August 29, 2010, 11:56:55 PM
cant fucking believe it...................cant say no more.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Cantoffie on August 29, 2010, 11:57:04 PM
Unlucky in the 2nd half but our worse start for 11 years............. and Man U to come. What's to blame now as we cant blame injuries, Lescott etc??
no strikers that are any good what so ever/
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Dean0 on August 29, 2010, 11:57:08 PM
No end product at all.
get a striker in quick :|
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:57:16 PM
At least at the end of the season we will get a parachute payment to buy players next season
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Caesar on August 29, 2010, 11:57:23 PM
Sky commentators: MacDonald may have just convinced himself and learner that he should have it permanently..............they where wank. bottom 3 now. Wigan above us WIGAN!!!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on August 29, 2010, 11:58:03 PM
We will play ten times worse than that and win 4-0
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: dunkster on August 29, 2010, 11:58:05 PM
think yakubu was just what we needed today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 29, 2010, 11:58:06 PM
I cant believe it still. What a difference Saha makes up front. We look better with him. Coleman was great coming on. Everyone played pretty well. Just couldn't score. had plenty of chances especially with the head.

3 games, 65% possession, 1 goal. We need a striker or 2
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton-4-ever on August 29, 2010, 11:58:44 PM
wtf is going on with the yak?

sell him or play him moyes
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 29, 2010, 11:58:56 PM
We will play ten times worse than that and win 4-0

4-0 that is in the Carling Cup
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: dunkster on August 29, 2010, 11:59:00 PM
we have to be able to unlock the "every man behind the ball" situation
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Blueney-tunes on August 29, 2010, 11:59:13 PM
No individual can really be blamed for that sht. It was a tactical mess.
Rodwell on the right wing...and Coleman as his sub? and the same problem we faced against blackburn, they defend and we cant unlock them. Davey Moyes what the fk are you doing?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 30, 2010, 12:00:19 AM
we blame our inability to  SCORE and yer unless kenwrong gets a striker... itl probably continue. are we the only team to not have won yet?  FUCKIN BET :(
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 30, 2010, 12:00:55 AM
I cant believe it still. What a difference Saha makes up front. We look better with him. Coleman was great coming on. Everyone played pretty well. Just couldn't score. had plenty of chances especially with the head.

3 games, 65% possession, 1 goal. We need a striker or 2

The last 8-10 games (including last season) Saha has been very sloppy and frustrating to watch, but his cameo today was very impressive. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 30, 2010, 12:01:01 AM
Can't really fault them, unlucky and that's it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 30, 2010, 12:01:03 AM
No individual can really be blamed for that sht. It was a tactical mess.
Rodwell on the right wing...and Coleman as his sub? and the same problem we faced against blackburn, they defend and we cant unlock them. Davey Moyes what the fk are you doing?

Then there is an individual to blame...David Moyes
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 30, 2010, 12:02:45 AM
oh no west ham havent have they? phew. but when do we play them? because you know wel give, them there win to kick start there season! as we always do for teams.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton-4-ever on August 30, 2010, 12:02:57 AM
he's still very much in Moyes' plans, honest!

gather you have heared baout there fall out then si !
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 30, 2010, 12:03:06 AM
Poor start. But it was just one of those days at the end.

Worst start to the league in 11 years :(

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Amata on August 30, 2010, 12:03:55 AM
gather you have heared baout there fall out then si !

He's probably has and is being sarcastic.  What fallout?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 30, 2010, 12:04:06 AM
Quote
I cant believe it still. What a difference Saha makes up front. We look better with him. Coleman was great coming on. Everyone played pretty well. Just couldn't score. had plenty of chances especially with the head.

3 games, 65% possession, 1 goal. We need a striker or 2
Quote

1 decent striker will do
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 30, 2010, 12:04:47 AM
Then there is an individual to blame...David Moyes

Bullshit. We played fantastic. Hit the post, Friedel made some unbelieable saves, they blocked goalbound efforts, we missed headers, Rodwell and Jags missed good good chances. We were desperately unlucky and deserved all 3 points and today proved we just need to be more clinical in front of goal
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 30, 2010, 12:05:35 AM
as much as we all want a striker., we wont get1 will we. " itl be a moyes quote wel go with what we have" or something
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gibbsy76 on August 30, 2010, 12:06:00 AM
Poor start. But it was just one of those days at the end.

Worst start to the league in 11 years :(

We were unlucky, I think, but how many points have we lost because of fucking stupid mistakes?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 30, 2010, 12:06:41 AM
Quote
Then there is an individual to blame...David Moyes

Bullshit. We played fantastic. Hit the post, Friedel made some unbelieable saves, they blocked goalbound efforts, we missed headers, Rodwell and Jags missed good good chances. We were desperately unlucky and deserved all 3 points and today proved we just need to be more clinical in front of goal
Quote

Which is still up to DM to sort out one way or another
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: .Rimbo. on August 30, 2010, 12:07:21 AM
I'm not Moyes' biggest fan but how you can blame him today is beyond me. He made some bold decisions, starting Beckford and Rodwell on the wing. Granted, Rodwell was quite anonymous but he showed bottle in not playing Osman there.

He even overlooked Bilyaletdinov (who has been quite poor lately) to play Rodwell, and then brought Coleman on instead of him for the right wing.

I thought a lot of the players played well as well. They got their goal and defended like lions, heroic performance from their point of view. Strange game, we were unlucky.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 30, 2010, 12:07:57 AM
only everton, can do this. u need a win so who do u play.. everton. u need a goal so who do u score against... everton..
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2010, 12:09:38 AM
This forum makes me fucking laugh.  Only this week people were clambering for Rodwell to play.  I have heard numerous people saying he should play right wing and when he does Moyes is a fuckwit for trying it.  If he had started with Osman there would have been murder.  He brought Coleman on at right wing (something everyone but me wanted to see) and switched an ineffective Beckford for the far more threatening looking Saha.  The only thing he didn't do was bring Bily on (and considering the stick people give him on here I am surprised that people all of a sudden see him as an answer). 

Honest of God what more do you want from the bloke. He and the team has received just criticism for the first two games but there was nothing he could of done about today IMO.  One thing I did notice is that the whole team have a nasty habit of playing the ball about a foot short of the player moving forward making them track back before they can move on.  Only Baines and Pienaar seem to know how to pass the ball in front of each other.

 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 30, 2010, 12:10:08 AM
only everton, can do this. u need a win so who do u play.. everton. u need a goal so who do u score against... everton..

You need someone NOT to score against you, who do you play...Everton
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 30, 2010, 12:12:11 AM
This forum makes me fucking laugh.  Only this week people were clambering for Rodwell to play.  I have heard numerous people saying he should play right wing and when he does Moyes is a fuckwit for trying it.  If he had started with Osman there would have been murder.  He brought Coleman on at right wing (something everyone but me wanted to see) and switched an ineffective Beckford for the far more threatening looking Saha.  The only thing he didn't do was bring Bily on (and considering the stick people give him on here I am surprised that people all of a sudden see him as an answer). 

Honest of God what more do you want from the bloke. He and the team has received just criticism for the first two games but there was nothing he could of done about today IMO.  One thing I did notice is that the whole team have a nasty habit of playing the ball about a foot short of the player moving forward making them track back before they can move on.  Only Baines and Pienaar seem to know how to pass the ball in front of each other.

 

and we needed a goalscorer on and who was brought on Heitinger
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Paul. on August 30, 2010, 12:16:02 AM
The balance of the team was all wrong today. I still cant get my head round Moyes playing Hibbert one side and Baines the other. It totally upsets the shape of the team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: .Rimbo. on August 30, 2010, 12:17:44 AM
This forum makes me fucking laugh.  Only this week people were clambering for Rodwell to play.  I have heard numerous people saying he should play right wing and when he does Moyes is a fuckwit for trying it.  If he had started with Osman there would have been murder.  He brought Coleman on at right wing (something everyone but me wanted to see) and switched an ineffective Beckford for the far more threatening looking Saha.  The only thing he didn't do was bring Bily on (and considering the stick people give him on here I am surprised that people all of a sudden see him as an answer). 

Honest of God what more do you want from the bloke. He and the team has received just criticism for the first two games but there was nothing he could of done about today IMO.  One thing I did notice is that the whole team have a nasty habit of playing the ball about a foot short of the player moving forward making them track back before they can move on.  Only Baines and Pienaar seem to know how to pass the ball in front of each other.

 

Good post.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: everton.chris on August 30, 2010, 12:19:18 AM
The balance of the team was all wrong today. I still cant get my head round Moyes playing Hibbert one side and Baines the other. It totally upsets the shape of the team.

I can't understand why Moyes brought Coleman on and left Hibbert on and then brought Heitinger on when we were 1-0 down, it's as if he is scared to field an attacking side in the Premiership
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: toffee_scot on August 30, 2010, 12:21:31 AM
and we needed a goalscorer on and who was brought on Heitinger

Indeed that was strange, I thought Hibbert did pretty well and got forward so I was surprised he was subbed off. And if Magaye is not ready to play regularly then surely Moyes could have at least put on Billy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: claimabstract on August 30, 2010, 12:23:18 AM
I can't understand why Moyes brought Coleman on and left Hibbert on and then brought Heitinger on when we were 1-0 down, it's as if he is scared to field an attacking side in the Premiership

Moyes brought Coleman on for Rodwell, who had a knock, so the point about taking Hibbert off is moot.  I don't know why he brought Heitinga on for Hibbert.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 30, 2010, 12:23:35 AM
Indeed that was strange, I thought Hibbert did pretty well and got forward so I was surprised he was subbed off. And if Magaye is not ready to play regularly then surely Moyes could have at least put on Billy.
lolol Bily.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 30, 2010, 12:30:26 AM
We were unlucky, I think, but how many points have we lost because of fucking stupid mistakes?

We've been a bit unlucky there too. Make a silly mistake, get punished for it and then have to chase the game.

Although the result wasn't better at least in the 2nd half we looked a lot better.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 30, 2010, 12:33:02 AM
Moyes brought Coleman on for Rodwell, who had a knock, so the point about taking Hibbert off is moot.  I don't know why he brought Heitinga on for Hibbert.

That was weird. Hibbert was supporting Coleman well, it seemed like he was doing it just to do something.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: nomorechang on August 30, 2010, 12:37:20 AM
You are all great managers with hindsight ... he played a positive attacking style and we were way and above the best team on the pitch , using Seamus as RM was what everyone has been shouting for and playing Jack was as well ... there was no player you could say had a bad game today , although I wasn't too impressed with Mikel at times .. One mistake by Felli but then they took the chance well .. The only different thing I think he could have done is bring Ossie on for Mikel but imagine the shite he'd have got for that ! ... I don't know if Yak would make a difference when he's fit , a Yak of 2 years ago would have a field day in this team .. Is he ever going to get that form back ? We're not doing much wrong . Villa know they touched lucky today and even the commentator said at the end that they lost 6-0 against Newcastle and never come under as much pressure .. Try being positive , we are playing well and if we carry on the results will come
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gibbsy76 on August 30, 2010, 12:40:43 AM
We've been a bit unlucky there too. Make a silly mistake, get punished for it and then have to chase the game.

Although the result wasn't better at least in the 2nd half we looked a lot better.

This is fair, and I agree, but as entertaining as the pretty triangles are, the ball needs to go into the back of the opponent's net, and not our own. 

I guess I'm just pissed off.  I love seeing our lot play well; when it gets to 1 point from 9, however, I would rather us just fucking win. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on August 30, 2010, 12:41:21 AM
Ok, panic and depression put to one side for a while, there were many positives to take from this game:

Pienaar and baines, despite being our only outlet for about 60 minutes, cut through villa like butter. They must have known that we attack down the left and tried to stop it but couldn't.

Saha looked hungry, whether it is the insult of Beckford being picked over him or his french call-up, he looked a lot better today.

Coleman, only 30 minutes but enough to give us some idea of whether he can perform further up the pitch, in my opinion he should be given a start there. I know people will say that with Man U next it's not the time to play him but we need to defend solidly against them, who can know their defensive duties better than a right back playing right mid?

Fellaini, miscue for their goal aside, looked very solid today, breaking up attacks and picking passes like the injury hasn't affected him at all.

My biggest gripe today was the set-pieces, with that many we should really have scored, or at least forced Friedal into a few saves, some work on them in training needed I think.

Now, let's try and stay optimistic, I'd sooner be where we are now than at the same point last season, one good result and I can really see this side clicking into place. Rather than our season being changed by a Neville tackle in December, let's fucking beat Man U and go on from there!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 30, 2010, 12:41:44 AM
i agree mate its just hurtful. its like were cursed :( and with man u next up aswell..  its just worrying the longer u go without a win your morale cant exactly be high :(
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gumpinio on August 30, 2010, 12:43:02 AM
At least at the end of the season we will get a parachute payment to buy players next season

Just a slight over reaction to 1 point from 9
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Blueney-tunes on August 30, 2010, 12:45:33 AM
It was Blackburn all over again. The next team that scores and parks the bus have obviously worked out how to beat us then.
Tactically inept.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: matty1878 on August 30, 2010, 12:47:34 AM
it was nowere near blackburn.. we played much better and created more. just didnt get the rub of the green. as moyes says we cant put it in the net right now
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: blue for you on August 30, 2010, 12:48:54 AM
thats because we have no fucking strikers beckford belongs in league 1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2010, 01:07:39 AM
thats because we have no fucking strikers beckford belongs in league 1

How fickle fans are. He was the next big thing pre-season, now he has been written off after 3 games? 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: sharpattack on August 30, 2010, 01:12:33 AM
How fickle fans are. He was the next big thing pre-season, now he has been written off after 3 games? 
I dont think anyone was saying that
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Gash on August 30, 2010, 01:15:02 AM
Tough break today, we'll play worse than that this season and win comfortably. We did everything but score, it's difficult when they put men behind the ball and try to hiy on the break all the time.

Frustrating start to the season, but I'm not panicking yet, I'd be more concerned if we were playing shit.

Oh, and everton.chris, who's Heitinger?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Joey on August 30, 2010, 04:15:51 AM
Look today was just one of those days, you do everything right but score. Agree with Gash said we will play worse than that this season and win 2-0 or 3-0. But we need to keep our heads up each game of football is different we might play out of this world against man u and win 3-0 or play shit take one chance and score you just never know in football.

One thing moyes did get wrong today was bringing heitinga on, how is bringing on a centre back going to help us chase the game. He had options on the bench a young, quick winger yes he is unproven, yes his is unexpierenced but gueye would have offered much more of a threat than what heitinga would of going forward.Also we had bilyaletdinov yes he can be shit, then he can be really shit but he can also produce a piece of magic from nowhere and could have provide that extra quality we lacked in front of goal today.

Next game is against man united but they aren't unbeatable.We need to start saha and put pressure on jonny evans. We need to be positive from the start play coleman wide right and if it doesn't work we have bily and gueye waiting in the wings. If saha doesn't work up front bring on beckford or the yak go 4-4-2 and put them under pressure. So come on yes it's been a shit start but we have the quality to finish top 6 and finally win silverware.COYB
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: Joey on August 30, 2010, 06:36:32 AM
Yer but against Blackburn we didn't create enough chances same as wolves but today we had more than enough chances to win or at the very least draw this match
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Everton
Post by: brap2 on August 30, 2010, 07:23:10 AM
i know this is contrary to popular opinion, but the more i think about it, the more i want to see arteta on the right. i dont mean i want him flying forward skinning people left right and centre, but look at his assists from the right, he wont get anywhere near that many playing as some kind of holding midfielder like today. for most of the game him and jags were the same height up the pitch! he can play all the passes he wants around the half way line, but we need quality distribution in the final third, and if that means ruffling feathers then so be it.