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Title: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: NewsBot on January 11, 2017, 12:27:44 AM
Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker

According to Sky Sources, Everton have bid £8.5m for Algerian striker Ishak Belfodil.

Source: Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker (http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/01/blues-bid-8-5m-algerian-striker/)
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: eame on January 11, 2017, 12:29:19 AM
Wonder how long we can drag this one out for
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: spicerman on January 11, 2017, 12:31:25 AM
And Standard Liege want 12m. Here we go again
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Tinga on January 11, 2017, 12:34:40 AM
Is he any good?.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: KingdingalingNL on January 11, 2017, 12:39:11 AM
Watched a Belgian game the other week and thought who is that shit player with the bad hair...... it was this bloke! If we are in for him they must see something I definately could not see.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 11, 2017, 12:59:02 AM
Fifa stats are shite same ball control as Rom,
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: everton1952 on January 11, 2017, 01:34:26 AM
Gosh, the excitement mounts.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: ally2 on January 11, 2017, 02:00:27 AM
Gosh, the excitement mounts.

Don't worry.  It'll dissipate soon enough
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: bogie on January 11, 2017, 04:16:08 AM
On 31 August 2016, Belfodil signed an one-year contract with Belgian club Standard Lige, with an option to extend for another year

cant see anything in this
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: blargins on January 11, 2017, 09:20:46 AM
What does the database say about his skills?
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 11, 2017, 12:19:49 PM
Always a bit wary of North African players being a bit 'Adel Taarabt'.

Buckets of skill and talent but most of the time have little desire to get stuck in.

I realise this is a ridiculously broad statement, especially seeing as Mahrez got POTS last year in the PL.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Lxxx on January 11, 2017, 01:12:57 PM
Always a bit wary of North African players being a bit 'Adel Taarabt'.

Buckets of skill and talent but most of the time have little desire to get stuck in.

I realise this is a ridiculously broad statement, especially seeing as Mahrez got POTS last year in the PL.

......and has now reverted back to type.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: BlueBeagle on January 11, 2017, 01:39:11 PM
......and has now reverted back to type.

True lolol
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: stirlingblue on January 11, 2017, 09:16:45 PM
Fifa stats are shite same ball control as Rom,

He's got a high workrate though so at least he'll press from the front....
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Lxxx on January 11, 2017, 09:18:14 PM
He's got a high workrate though so at least he'll press from the front....

So would a Jack Russell but you want a bit more than chasing down the ball.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: bigmanbob on January 11, 2017, 09:43:40 PM
This is getting reported all over the show now including the reputable palces
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: stirlingblue on January 11, 2017, 09:51:03 PM
So would a Jack Russell but you want a bit more than chasing down the ball.
:McCarthy:
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: MmmBlueToffee on January 11, 2017, 09:54:31 PM
:McCarthy:

He's more of a French Tank than jack Russell as he only goes backwards....
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: stirlingblue on January 11, 2017, 09:57:40 PM
He (Belfodil) see's himself as a number 10 apparently

feature=youtu.be&t=1m16s

From r/soccer:

Quote
Quite good actually. Has scores some good goals. Works a lot. Good mentality.

Problem is. We have no MC able to create so he was the guy doing the job. And we were one man down upfront. Sa was alone.

Hasn't played once as a pure striker. Second striker or AM.

Sometimes he wants to do "too good" by himself.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: kramer0 on January 11, 2017, 10:07:59 PM
[Warning: Most of you aren't going to like this and rightfully so. You'll see why if you read on.]

This could be to fulfill a very specific tactical role. From what little I can tell, Belfodil is big, works hard, but has some technical ability to go with it. [Here's where it gets bad.] I remember reading something from a Stoke supporter talking about Stoke's best football under Pulis [told you it was going to be bad] and one of the tactical quirks he mentioned was that they used to play with a sort of "false 10", a target man who played a little deeper than the traditional target man forward position (basically man-marking the opponent's defensive midfielder), whose main job was the hold the ball up, win headers, and create space for the proper striker. Of course, as the Premier League got more sophisticated, it became near impossible to play this sort of player. But then last season, we saw a new model in the form of Troy Deeney, someone who could win all of the physical battles and hold the ball up, but who also had the quality to get on the ball and find his strike partner (which made Ighalo look incredible).

We know that Walsh has had at least a passing interest in Deeney (he was linked heavily with Leicester before Walsh left and was even with us tenuously). So maybe this is Walsh's ploy to get a Deeney-like player, someone who can get a hold of longer passes to get us up the field but who also has a touch of quality to set-up Lukaku or beat his man 1 v. 1 and create a favorable attacking situation elsewhere.  I know that's not very inspiring and that, all things being equal, we'd rather dominate possession but we need some way of getting a foothold against some of the better sides in the league while we work on what we do with the ball. (Or maybe Koeman is just Dutch Pulis.)

So yeah, this isn't anywhere near what I'd hoped we'd do in this window. But I guess we just have to trust Walsh's process for now.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: GLewis on January 11, 2017, 10:11:53 PM
[Warning: Most of you aren't going to like this and rightfully so. You'll see why if you read on.]

This could be to fulfill a very specific tactical role. From what little I can tell, Belfodil is big, works hard, but has some technical ability to go with it. [Here's where it gets bad.] I remember reading something from a Stoke supporter talking about Stoke's best football under Pulis [told you it was going to be bad] and one of the tactical quirks he mentioned was that they used to play with a sort of "false 10", a target man who played a little deeper than the traditional target man forward position (basically man-marking the opponent's defensive midfielder), whose main job was the hold the ball up, win headers, and create space for the proper striker. Of course, as the Premier League got more sophisticated, it became near impossible to play this sort of player. But then last season, we saw a new model in the form Troy Deeney, someone who could win all of the physical battles and hold the ball up, but who also had the quality to get on the ball and find his strike partner (which made Ighalo look incredible).

We know that Walsh has had at least a passing interest in Deeney (he was linked heavily with Leicester before Walsh left and was even with us tenuously). So maybe this is Walsh's ploy to get a Deeney-like player, someone who can get a hold of longer passes to get us up the field but who also has a touch of quality to set-up Lukaku or beat his man 1 v. 1 and create a favorable attacking situation elsewhere.  I know that's not very inspiring and that, all things being equal, we'd rather dominate possession but we need some way of getting a foothold against some of the better sides in the league while we work on what we do with the ball. (Or maybe Koeman is just Dutch Pulis.)

So yeah, this isn't anywhere near what I'd hoped we'd do in this window. But I guess we just have to trust Walsh's process for now.

Or a Fellaini ;)
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Sir Stealth on January 11, 2017, 10:39:53 PM
Is this signing a bit 'Moneyball'?
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: BlueNoseMike on January 11, 2017, 10:40:17 PM
Or a Fellaini ;)

You've beat me to it. Some of our most exciting football involved Fellaini in that role in Moyes last season. This is a good option to have and adds something different. We've seen last year Lukaku excelling when paired with another big guy upfront in the form of Kone. Maybe this guy can add what Kone did plus have a bit more elegance and technical ability.

We don't just need players that can slot into our first 11, we need players of this ilk that could provide a plan B off the bench. That is of course if he is any good at doing anything I've just said.

Walsh might just have a fetish for Algerian men
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: kramer0 on January 11, 2017, 10:44:00 PM
Or a Fellaini ;)

Too obvious. :bonk:

It wasn't always the prettiest but did play some excellent stuff with Fellaini in that role. Hopefully we have enough squad options now to only use the long ball tactic when it's necessary. One of Moyes' biggest problems (failings?) was that he had to (chose to?) use that approach in a lot of matches where it just wasn't going to work, whether through his own tactical shortcomings or because he just couldn't get the players to play another way.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2017, 10:44:18 PM
I don't mind it. Lukaku has looked better when not carrying it all on his shoulders.

For gods sake he even looked better with Valencia near him.

This guy does the donkey work, rom sticks a hole on the onion bag.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Lxxx on January 11, 2017, 10:44:27 PM
[Warning: Most of you aren't going to like this and rightfully so. You'll see why if you read on.]

This could be to fulfill a very specific tactical role. From what little I can tell, Belfodil is big, works hard, but has some technical ability to go with it. [Here's where it gets bad.] I remember reading something from a Stoke supporter talking about Stoke's best football under Pulis [told you it was going to be bad] and one of the tactical quirks he mentioned was that they used to play with a sort of "false 10", a target man who played a little deeper than the traditional target man forward position (basically man-marking the opponent's defensive midfielder), whose main job was the hold the ball up, win headers, and create space for the proper striker. Of course, as the Premier League got more sophisticated, it became near impossible to play this sort of player. But then last season, we saw a new model in the form of Troy Deeney, someone who could win all of the physical battles and hold the ball up, but who also had the quality to get on the ball and find his strike partner (which made Ighalo look incredible).

We know that Walsh has had at least a passing interest in Deeney (he was linked heavily with Leicester before Walsh left and was even with us tenuously). So maybe this is Walsh's ploy to get a Deeney-like player, someone who can get a hold of longer passes to get us up the field but who also has a touch of quality to set-up Lukaku or beat his man 1 v. 1 and create a favorable attacking situation elsewhere.  I know that's not very inspiring and that, all things being equal, we'd rather dominate possession but we need some way of getting a foothold against some of the better sides in the league while we work on what we do with the ball. (Or maybe Koeman is just Dutch Pulis.)

So yeah, this isn't anywhere near what I'd hoped we'd do in this window. But I guess we just have to trust Walsh's process for now.

To be honest, as Barkley has shown himself either unwilling, unable or it's just not his game to stay in and around the final third to offer support to Lukaku then why not change tack. If top drawer No 10's are few and far between/cost shitloads/ only really play for or want to play for top level clubs then maybe Koeman has decided it's time to look at different approaches so we at least compete in games a lot more.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 11, 2017, 10:46:45 PM
I was thinking he looks a bit meh but kramer has just inadvertently sold me on him
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: stirlingblue on January 11, 2017, 10:50:28 PM
[Warning: Most of you aren't going to like this and rightfully so. You'll see why if you read on.]

This could be to fulfill a very specific tactical role. From what little I can tell, Belfodil is big, works hard, but has some technical ability to go with it. [Here's where it gets bad.] I remember reading something from a Stoke supporter talking about Stoke's best football under Pulis [told you it was going to be bad] and one of the tactical quirks he mentioned was that they used to play with a sort of "false 10", a target man who played a little deeper than the traditional target man forward position (basically man-marking the opponent's defensive midfielder), whose main job was the hold the ball up, win headers, and create space for the proper striker. Of course, as the Premier League got more sophisticated, it became near impossible to play this sort of player. But then last season, we saw a new model in the form of Troy Deeney, someone who could win all of the physical battles and hold the ball up, but who also had the quality to get on the ball and find his strike partner (which made Ighalo look incredible).

We know that Walsh has had at least a passing interest in Deeney (he was linked heavily with Leicester before Walsh left and was even with us tenuously). So maybe this is Walsh's ploy to get a Deeney-like player, someone who can get a hold of longer passes to get us up the field but who also has a touch of quality to set-up Lukaku or beat his man 1 v. 1 and create a favorable attacking situation elsewhere.  I know that's not very inspiring and that, all things being equal, we'd rather dominate possession but we need some way of getting a foothold against some of the better sides in the league while we work on what we do with the ball. (Or maybe Koeman is just Dutch Pulis.)

So yeah, this isn't anywhere near what I'd hoped we'd do in this window. But I guess we just have to trust Walsh's process for now.

Apparently he can play wide as well so he may be able to do similar by pulling wide and winning the ball like Arnautovic or Antonio does
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: GLewis on January 11, 2017, 10:51:34 PM
Maybe Barkley will be used wide more often as he has recently, on occasion; especially if there aren't too many wide options out there.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: blue1948 on January 11, 2017, 10:52:35 PM
Or a Fellaini ;)
I f he is as good that will do me or was that a facetious remark that fell on deaf ears
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: blue1948 on January 11, 2017, 10:54:14 PM
You've beat me to it. Some of our most exciting football involved Fellaini in that role in Moyes last season. This is a good option to have and adds something different. We've seen last year Lukaku excelling when paired with another big guy upfront in the form of Kone. Maybe this guy can add what Kone did plus have a bit more elegance and technical ability.

We don't just need players that can slot into our first 11, we need players of this ilk that could provide a plan B off the bench. That is of course if he is any good at doing anything I've just said.

Walsh might just have a fetish for Algerian men
Well at least it is another muslim
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 11, 2017, 10:55:23 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ed_aarons/status/819217148790919169

Guardian reporting it
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: blue1948 on January 11, 2017, 10:56:05 PM
I was thinking he looks a bit meh but kramer has just inadvertently sold me on him
You are too easily pleased !
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: kramer0 on January 11, 2017, 10:57:10 PM
Maybe Barkley will be used wide more often as he has recently, on occasion; especially if there aren't too many wide options out there.

I know I say this every time it comes up but... I'm really enjoying the Barkley-out-wide experiment. He's playing much better in that position under Koeman than he did under Martinez, albeit only for short periods of time.

I really hope Koeman doesn't abandon the idea because I think it's worth exploring further.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Ross on January 11, 2017, 10:57:11 PM
Will he actually qualify for a work permit?

Clearly he's not in the Algerian national teams plans and that's one of the main criteria for unknown footballers isn't it.

Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: blue1948 on January 11, 2017, 10:57:19 PM
Apparently he can play wide as well so he may be able to do similar by pulling wide and winning the ball like Arnautovic or Antonio does
Or a Mirallas or Lennon
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: GLewis on January 11, 2017, 10:57:53 PM
Will he actually qualify for a work permit?

Clearly he's not in the Algerian national teams plans and that's one of the main criteria for unknown footballers isn't it.



He has a French passport apparently.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 11, 2017, 11:00:31 PM
Will he actually qualify for a work permit?

Clearly he's not in the Algerian national teams plans and that's one of the main criteria for unknown footballers isn't it.



Now we can line our brown work permit envelope with cash rather than trying to win them over with tasteful boudoir pics of Kenwright and Moyes.   
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: brap2 on January 11, 2017, 11:07:02 PM
Maybe Barkley will be used wide more often as he has recently, on occasion; especially if there aren't too many wide options out there.

I dream of a midfield 3

   MS    IG
       RB
   IB RL KM
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: ally2 on January 11, 2017, 11:07:27 PM
Negative : he has the squad number 99
Positive : he rocks the lamb chops
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: GLewis on January 11, 2017, 11:14:02 PM
This is from when he went to Inter...

https://www.whoscored.com/News/qmkndqbWEkuNmQ10HGJlYg/Show/Player-Focus-Can-Belfodil-Emulate-his-Former-Inter-Icons

Interestingly he's had a "Mirallas" incident, also missing but scoring the rebound and then shushing his own bench :eh:

Fortunately he apologised :)

Anyway some interesting stuff on his playing characteristics.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Bluedylan on January 11, 2017, 11:16:31 PM
He can't be any worse than Vincent Janssen and he cost 17m.
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: Goaljira on January 11, 2017, 11:25:11 PM
[Warning: Most of you aren't going to like this and rightfully so. You'll see why if you read on.]

This could be to fulfill a very specific tactical role. From what little I can tell, Belfodil is big, works hard, but has some technical ability to go with it. [Here's where it gets bad.] I remember reading something from a Stoke supporter talking about Stoke's best football under Pulis [told you it was going to be bad] and one of the tactical quirks he mentioned was that they used to play with a sort of "false 10", a target man who played a little deeper than the traditional target man forward position (basically man-marking the opponent's defensive midfielder), whose main job was the hold the ball up, win headers, and create space for the proper striker. Of course, as the Premier League got more sophisticated, it became near impossible to play this sort of player. But then last season, we saw a new model in the form of Troy Deeney, someone who could win all of the physical battles and hold the ball up, but who also had the quality to get on the ball and find his strike partner (which made Ighalo look incredible).

We know that Walsh has had at least a passing interest in Deeney (he was linked heavily with Leicester before Walsh left and was even with us tenuously). So maybe this is Walsh's ploy to get a Deeney-like player, someone who can get a hold of longer passes to get us up the field but who also has a touch of quality to set-up Lukaku or beat his man 1 v. 1 and create a favorable attacking situation elsewhere.  I know that's not very inspiring and that, all things being equal, we'd rather dominate possession but we need some way of getting a foothold against some of the better sides in the league while we work on what we do with the ball. (Or maybe Koeman is just Dutch Pulis.)

So yeah, this isn't anywhere near what I'd hoped we'd do in this window. But I guess we just have to trust Walsh's process for now.

That sounds great to me.  A more mobile version of Fellaini, with hopefully more careful elbows.  I said last season that Troy Deeney would be a great partner for Lukaku, and anyone who could do the same kind of stuff would be on the right track. 

And at a whole 1m cheaper than Niasse what's the worst that could come of it?
Title: Re: [News]Blues bid £8.5m for Algerian striker
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 12, 2017, 12:40:17 AM
Seem of similar ilk to Ulloa target man type