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Title: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on February 28, 2017, 10:48:46 PM
Sunday 5th March, 1:30pm

Big game, let's see where we're at in our development.

I think he might switch to 3 at the back for this one, and bring Holgate in for Lookman.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on February 28, 2017, 10:56:09 PM
I miss @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108)



No offence to anyone else whostarts these btw
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on February 28, 2017, 11:00:52 PM
A point has to be a good result. Much as we'd like more in our quest to reel in the sides above us  they're a good team playing well and maintaining 7th would be a good season.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on February 28, 2017, 11:04:55 PM
Think the midfield will be really interesting. From what I've seen and heard of how our midfield is coming along with Schneiderlin, Barkley, Gana and Davies - Spurs will offer a different challenge to overcome and it will be good to see how they react to it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: pjk on February 28, 2017, 11:10:08 PM
It would be great to get a win here, being realistic we might lose this one though. A draw would be good for me. Still going for the win in the prediction league though. Just in case. ;)
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on February 28, 2017, 11:13:05 PM
A point would be decent here. I'm sure I heard the other day that they've conceded 5 at home all season

Hopefully Win Butler lookalike Kevin Wimmer will come in at centre back for them as Alderweireld went off injured the other day

He's not a bad player or anything the young lad but that Vertongen/Alderweireld partnership is more solid
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on February 28, 2017, 11:18:24 PM
Away win
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: velimski on February 28, 2017, 11:31:05 PM
Going to this one.

Would take a draw.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Heisenberg on February 28, 2017, 11:40:01 PM
Coleman will have a field day if that Davies is playing left back
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on February 28, 2017, 11:51:31 PM
I'd go back to 3 at the back for this one, with Holgate coming in for Lookman.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 01, 2017, 12:01:53 AM
At some point we have to win these. Show the league what we made of and how good we are. If we win this, we really throw the cat amongst the pigeons for top 4 spots. Regardless the mathematics of it, people will get nervous about us.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2017, 12:02:44 AM
Sunday 5th March, 1:30pm

Big game, let's see where we're at in our development.

I think he might switch to 3 at the back for this one, and bring Holgate in for Lookman.

I think we have to.  Kane and Alli will tear us apart otherwise.  We have to hit them on the counter with Barkley and Gana, when the opportunity presents.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 01, 2017, 12:05:03 AM
At some point we have to win these. Show the league what we made of and how good we are. If we win this, we really throw the cat amongst the pigeons for top 4 spots. Regardless the mathematics of it, people will get nervous about us.

Philosophically, doesn't it feel great just...not dreading this match?  Unlike earlier in this season, I know we have tactical options and even if we lose, I feel like we will give them a respectable go.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 01, 2017, 12:59:27 AM
At some point we have to win these. Show the league what we made of and how good we are. If we win this, we really throw the cat amongst the pigeons for top 4 spots. Regardless the mathematics of it, people will get nervous about us.

We might even get a mention on Soccer Saturday the week after. Or Sunday Supplement.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 01, 2017, 02:05:41 AM
Id take a draw but recon we could do them on the counter.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 01, 2017, 02:37:51 AM
At some point we have to win these. Show the league what we made of and how good we are. If we win this, we really throw the cat amongst the pigeons for top 4 spots. Regardless the mathematics of it, people will get nervous about us.

I agree we do.

I'm just worried this one's a little soon for us, and I don't want a negative result to knock anyone's head off (myself included) and leave them thinking we're not doing well or we've not improved, because we are and we have.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: D15TIN on March 01, 2017, 03:22:24 AM
Really tough game, Spurs have only conceded 5 times at home this season, would take a draw, be interesting to see where the team is at this one, think Koeman will switch to 3 at the back - played that against Spurs 1st game of the season. Holgate in for Lookman. 1-1

Robles

Holgate Williams Mori

Coleman Gana Morgan Davies Baines

Barkley

Lukaku
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on March 01, 2017, 03:58:08 AM
I've prayed to Tom Davies that we win this one, a massive statement if we do.  Our record there is pretty shite though.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 01, 2017, 03:59:59 AM
Hot and cold Spurs up against a consistent team. Owt can happen. 3-3 written all over it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 01, 2017, 04:12:06 AM
A win would be fuckin ace though wouldn't it. We'd feel like we were on a proper march if we can go to these places and win.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Buck76 on March 01, 2017, 04:14:18 AM
Really tough game, Spurs have only conceded 5 times at home this season, would take a draw, be interesting to see where the team is at this one, think Koeman will switch to 3 at the back - played that against Spurs 1st game of the season. Holgate in for Lookman. 1-1

Robles

Holgate Williams Mori

Coleman Gana Morgan Davies Baines

Barkley

Lukaku

Spot on.... I think this is our best line up for top teams away with the 433 for home games.... It's great to finally totally agree with ya gaffers philosophy
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 01, 2017, 05:37:57 AM
I'd go back to 3 at the back for this one, with Holgate coming in for Lookman.

Blue Dylan used those exact same words hours ago , but I do agree with both of you.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Thornton_19 on March 01, 2017, 06:04:24 AM
We need to match their energy levels and not make and mistakes. I feel we will beat these though. Be a shit game i bet though!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: howard1334 on March 01, 2017, 10:19:08 AM
Really tough game, Spurs have only conceded 5 times at home this season, would take a draw, be interesting to see where the team is at this one, think Koeman will switch to 3 at the back - played that against Spurs 1st game of the season. Holgate in for Lookman. 1-1

Robles

Holgate Williams Mori

Coleman Gana Morgan Davies Baines

Barkley

Lukaku

I agree that we should go five at the back but I would consider bringing Mirallas back into the fold and dropping Lookman and Davies. I know Davies has been excellent, but for such a tough game, I would prefer the more experienced Schneiderlin and Gueye over Davies, and I think we need at least one other attacker with a bit more pace if we have any chance of hitting them on the break.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 01, 2017, 12:50:45 PM
Blue Dylan used those exact same words hours ago , but I do agree with both of you.
I'm sorry for not going back and checking my post against the rest of the thread to make sure I phrase my sentences slightly differently.

FFS.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blue1948 on March 01, 2017, 01:42:35 PM
I'm sorry for not going back and checking my post against the rest of the thread to make sure I phrase my sentences slightly differently.

FFS.

It was only one sentence !
and "slightly differently"
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 01, 2017, 01:55:10 PM
I'm sorry for not going back and checking my post against the rest of the thread to make sure I phrase my sentences slightly differently.

FFS.

Shame on you!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 01, 2017, 02:38:39 PM
I've prayed to Tom Davies that we win this one, a massive statement if we do.  Our record there is pretty shite though.
..............repeating myself here........
Our record isn't too bad .Our last 10 aways at Tottenham  W3  D3  L4.
Drawn 3 out of the last 5 there .
I'd bet on a 1-1 this time.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on March 01, 2017, 03:13:43 PM
Toughest game of the season this other than the flogging we got at Chelsea. I'd take a draw but they are a wee bit unsettled at the back at the moment so you never know, if Gent can score 2 against them surely we can as well.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Rhys on March 01, 2017, 03:34:30 PM
Hot and cold Spurs up against a consistent team. Owt can happen. 3-3 written all over it.

They may be hot and cold at times in that when they are good they are one of the best and when they are bad they fall to pieces, but in the league this season their home form has been brilliant.

At WHL in the league this year they have played 13 games, won 11 drawn 2 and as @D15TIN (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2618) pointed out they've only let in 5 goals in those 13 games.

Their inconsistencies in the league at the moment generally come from not winning away at their rivals at the top of the league, even though they've played well in some of these games they havent got many points. When it comes to home form though they are great and given their record so far a draw would be a good result seeing as they havent lost and concede on average a goal almost every 3 games there.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 01, 2017, 03:42:16 PM
They also gave Chelsea their only kicking this season at home so a point would be a great result. We can then focus on the shite as the away game to target 3 points in our tough run.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 01, 2017, 03:56:09 PM
Lukaku will celebrate signing his new contract by scoring at least 2
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 01, 2017, 05:05:28 PM
Hot and cold Spurs up against a consistent team. Owt can happen. 3-3 written all over it.

I get the feeling it's either gonna be game of the season or 0-0.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bigmanbob on March 01, 2017, 07:49:41 PM
Just reading that Vertongen also went off injured at the weekend and both CB's will have fitness tests. I'd bite your hand off for a draw
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 01, 2017, 09:20:40 PM
Just reading that Vertongen also went off injured at the weekend and both CB's will have fitness tests. I'd bite your hand off for a draw

If both of their centre halves are out then I think I'd be tempted to start leaning towards a draw not being the maximum we'd be happy with.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 01, 2017, 09:39:40 PM
If both of their centre halves are out then I think I'd be tempted to start leaning towards a draw not being the maximum we'd be happy with.

Alderweireld's fine apparently and resumed training the next day. Not sure about Vertonghen, but Wimmer and Dier are good alternatives for them. Ben Davies is a weakness we can exploit. 

Looking at the two sides, they have a better keeper, a much better defence when everyone is fit, the midfields are pretty much on par, and they probably have a slightly more potent attack with Eriksen and Alli supporting Kane. So we'll need to perform somewhere near our best or gain a tactical advantage in my view, to have any chance.

A win or a draw would be great, but I'm not going to lose my shit if we're beaten by a very good side.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 01, 2017, 09:42:38 PM
Alderweireld's fine apparently and resumed training the next day. Not sure about Vertonghen, but Wimmer and Dier are good alternatives for them. Ben Davies is a weakness we can exploit. 

Looking at the two sides, they have a better keeper, a much better defence when everyone is fit, the midfields are pretty much on par, and they probably have a slightly more potent attack with Eriksen and Alli supporting Kane. So we'll need to perform somewhere near our best or gain a tactical advantage in my view, to have any chance.

A win or a draw would be great, but I'm not going to lose my shit if we're beaten by a very good side.

True. As long as any defeat is not a drubbing.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TSGun on March 01, 2017, 09:52:27 PM
Yeah, a bit nervous about this game, in an excited sort of way.

A respectful apprehension but also subdued eagerness. Great challenge for us.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bornblue88 on March 01, 2017, 10:29:00 PM
I think we'll give them a good game but on paper we should lose
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 01, 2017, 10:45:39 PM
..............repeating myself here........
Our record isn't too bad .Our last 10 aways at Tottenham  W3  D3  L4.
Drawn 3 out of the last 5 there .
I'd bet on a 1-1 this time.

Those 3 wins were the first 3 games in that sequence though, so no wins in 7.

Plus they were the only 3 wins in the last 30 years!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 01, 2017, 10:46:26 PM
Those 3 wins were the first 3 games in that sequence though, so no wins in 7.

Plus they were the only 3 wins in the last 30 years!

Perspective.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 01, 2017, 11:27:29 PM
Hopefully the Spurs that lost to Liverpool turn up and there usual defensive strength is not on show . They are going to lose at home in the league at some point .
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 02, 2017, 01:19:45 AM

  Win lose or draw just want us to have a good do at this  1, we have the talent
to beat anyone.....
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on March 02, 2017, 02:47:11 AM
..............repeating myself here........
Our record isn't too bad .Our last 10 aways at Tottenham  W3  D3  L4.
Drawn 3 out of the last 5 there .
I'd bet on a 1-1 this time.

Aye my bad. There was a long, long period where we couldn't get a point from Spurs home or away (Amo semi discluded), guess I need to move on
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2017, 02:59:50 AM
Mirallas has a decent record at whl doesn't he?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 02, 2017, 03:01:35 AM
Aye my bad. There was a long, long period where we couldn't get a point from Spurs home or away (Amo semi discluded), guess I need to move on

Do you know the only goal I can remember clearly from that game was Klinnsman's. Hated him that day.

Possibly the most one-sided FA Cup Semi Final I've seen, 4-0 would have been perfect - that cheating bastard getting the 1 just made my blood boil. Ruined something beautiful and perfect.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 02, 2017, 03:02:16 AM
Those 3 wins were the first 3 games in that sequence though, so no wins in 7.

Plus they were the only 3 wins in the last 30 years!
.............yes but ok ,I'm going to put a positive spin on that by saying we won there 3 years in succession  lolol
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 02, 2017, 03:20:25 AM
Do you know the only goal I can remember clearly from that game was Klinnsman's. Hated him that day.

Possibly the most one-sided FA Cup Semi Final I've seen, 4-0 would have been perfect - that cheating bastard getting the 1 just made my blood boil. Ruined something beautiful and perfect.

The only goal we conceded in the cup that season too.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 02, 2017, 03:23:18 AM
The only goal we conceded in the cup that season too.

Dogs Of War were stingy mutts 🐶
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 02, 2017, 03:33:40 AM
The game plan needs to be how we can score without Rom because they will be all over him. Fancy us to win of we can manage that conundrun.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 02, 2017, 03:36:08 AM
BArkley vs Alli. If he wants to play for England, this is the game to show your quality.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 02, 2017, 03:37:29 AM
BArkley vs Alli. If he wants to play for England, this is the game to show your quality.

Really good point that. Hope someone's whispered in his ear that he won't get a better chance than games against spurs to outshine Alli
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2017, 03:42:26 AM
BArkley vs Alli. If he wants to play for England, this is the game to show your quality.
The more you watch them tho the more you realise they are nothing alike and could easily play alongside each other so it needn't be a vs
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 02, 2017, 03:43:11 AM
The more you watch them tho the more you realise they are nothing alike and could easily play alongside each other so it needn't be a vs

It needs to be a vs. Barkley needs a fire up his bum for this one if we going to win.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 02, 2017, 03:51:23 AM
The more you watch them tho the more you realise they are nothing alike and could easily play alongside each other so it needn't be a vs

Might not be alike but I can see them vying for the same position in certain formations. Just doing their jobs in different ways.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2017, 04:00:14 AM
Might not be alike but I can see them vying for the same position in certain formations. Just doing their jobs in different ways.
Agree with that but they could very easily play alongside each other
It would be typical England tho to pit em off against each other
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 02, 2017, 04:05:17 AM
The more you watch them tho the more you realise they are nothing alike and could easily play alongside each other so it needn't be a vs

Agree with this. Alli is more of a second striker at the moment, breaking beyond Kane a lot of the time and arriving late in the box. Ross has gradually morphed into a deeper lying playmaker who fires long shots off and looks to dictate play. Definitely room for both in the right system.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 02, 2017, 04:10:29 AM
Agree with this. Alli is more of a second striker at the moment, breaking beyond Kane a lot of the time and arriving late in the box. Ross has gradually morphed into a deeper lying playmaker who fires long shots off and looks to dictate play. Definitely room for both in the right system.

In Southgate We Trust
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 02, 2017, 04:12:01 AM
In Southgate We Trust

He looks dapper and studious sitting in the stands of all the matches he goes to in a nice three piece. I've got every confidence.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 02, 2017, 04:13:41 AM
Aye my bad. There was a long, long period where we couldn't get a point from Spurs home or away (Amo semi discluded), guess I need to move on
We had a run of 3-3s down there.  I remember Unsworth making his debut on the left wing.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 02, 2017, 04:15:07 AM
In Southgate We Trust
Exactly
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 02, 2017, 04:25:47 AM
I get the feeling it's either gonna be game of the season or 0-0.

Aye, a game I wish I was going to. Last game for me was the 2-1 last minute win over the bastards at Goodison and what a night that turned out to be. Told everyone within earshot not to hit the alehouse early as we were gonna win it. Your round mate......
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bigmanbob on March 02, 2017, 07:05:29 PM
Rumours now that Kane is now struggling to be fit for the game after smashing his leg against the post
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 02, 2017, 07:11:47 PM
Rumours now that Kane is now struggling to be fit for the game after smashing his leg against the post

If he does start then Williams should smash that same leg within the first few minutes. He's their Lukaku, if he's not there then they only have Alli who's any real goalscoring threat.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bigmanbob on March 02, 2017, 07:14:04 PM
Knee in the thigh job, oof
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 02, 2017, 08:04:52 PM
He looks dapper and studious sitting in the stands of all the matches he goes to in a nice three piece. I've got every confidence.

Yeah he wears nice brown shoes too so...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 02, 2017, 08:23:26 PM
Knee in the thigh job, oof

Get mirallas to do a (failed) Suarez job on him.

That "challenge" still makes me wince and smile in equal measures.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on March 02, 2017, 09:58:53 PM
Really tough game, Spurs have only conceded 5 times at home this season, would take a draw, be interesting to see where the team is at this one, think Koeman will switch to 3 at the back - played that against Spurs 1st game of the season. Holgate in for Lookman. 1-1

Robles

Holgate Williams Mori

Coleman Gana Morgan Davies Baines

Barkley

Lukaku

This team for me too,

I love how people put Morgan instead of Schneiderlin to save spelling it wrong !
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 02, 2017, 11:57:07 PM
Is Mc Carthy fit? I think he would thrive in this sort of game.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 03, 2017, 02:37:46 AM
Deffo end up 3-3 this if Kane plays. Davies, Coleman and Lukaku for the good guys. Should be a crackin game.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 03, 2017, 03:12:23 AM
Get mirallas to do a (failed) Suarez job on him.

That "challenge" still makes me wince and smile in equal measures.

My only regret about that challenge is that it didn't end his season.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 03, 2017, 03:15:20 AM

Robles

Holgate Williams Mori

Coleman Gana Morgan McCarthy Baines

Barkley

Lukaku

For me.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 03, 2017, 03:33:40 AM
My only regret about that challenge is that it didn't end his season.

Nothing would end his season, he never got injured did he haha
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 03, 2017, 06:36:57 AM
Nothing would end his season, he never got injured did he haha

Like the cockroach he is.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 03, 2017, 06:43:11 AM
My only regret about that challenge is that it didn't end his season.

I'm happy it didn't end his season. He was the sole reason why Liverpool came even vaguely close to the title. Without Suarez contributions, the slippy G incident pails into insignificance.....

Which would have been tragic....
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Dr. Sponge on March 03, 2017, 06:45:54 AM
I think this game will be decided by which midfield plays best. I have a lot of confidence in our midfield lately. The fearlessness of Davies, Gana's relentless energy, Barkley's newfound purpose and Schneiderlin is a class act.

Not sure Davies will start if we go to 3 at the back. Probably Holgate and Mirallas in for Davies and Lookman. 343 with Barkley dropping deeper at times. But it's a squad game and the subs will have a big impact if the game is tight.

2-1 Barkley, Lukaku
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 03, 2017, 02:45:38 PM
Schneiderlin will run the show from midfield, Gana will clean everything open, Lukaku will punish them
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 03, 2017, 03:53:02 PM
I'm not sure 3 at the back would work against them, with their full backs playing as wingers, especially at home. Baines and Coleman will be forced backwards so we could end up with a back 5 for long periods with no outlets on the flanks.
I'd stick to the formation we've looked comfortable with the past few weeks but with Mirallas in for Lookman, it looks well balanced and Barkley seems to thrive better in it. 
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 03, 2017, 04:17:45 PM
Why change it, go full strength and get at them.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 03, 2017, 04:21:35 PM
Spurs have never won 9 home games on the bounce.  So that's that then.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 03, 2017, 06:31:31 PM
Spurs have never won 9 home games on the bounce.  So that's that then.

Hoping they're thinking the same thing lol
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 03, 2017, 06:33:52 PM
Spurs have never won 9 home games on the bounce.  So that's that then.

That's a relief
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 03, 2017, 08:10:28 PM
Spurs have never won 9 home games on the bounce.  So that's that then.

You had to say it didn't you!!!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 03, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
You had to say it didn't you!!!

No, I meant it as in we're always the team to end streaks against, so they'll definitely get the 9th win.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 03, 2017, 10:50:30 PM
Poch's presser:

Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 03, 2017, 11:41:57 PM
It's good to have such an important game at this stage of the season.

We've got something to play for.

People going on like our season ended in December.

You hit a consistent run of form and the league starts to look a lot better.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Toddacelli on March 03, 2017, 11:48:59 PM
It's good to have such an important game at this stage of the season.

We've got something to play for.

People going on like our season ended in December.

You hit a consistent run of form and the league starts to look a lot better.

True, we've had seasons over by Jan/Feb in the last 10 years
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on March 04, 2017, 01:02:03 AM
Do you know the only goal I can remember clearly from that game was Klinnsman's. Hated him that day.

Possibly the most one-sided FA Cup Semi Final I've seen, 4-0 would have been perfect - that cheating bastard getting the 1 just made my blood boil. Ruined something beautiful and perfect.

Yeah it was probably my finest experience as a young toffee, all the family were in a hotel room waiting to go away some place, could't belive what I was watching.  Absolutely bonkers game!  Memory thats sticks out for me was a sublime Southall save, I think it was at 2-1 as well and  Amo scoring straight after with his tongue out. 
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 04, 2017, 02:56:56 AM

  spurs 8/13 to win with skybet 3/1 the draw they insult us.....had 20 the draw and 10 the win at 17/4
and im destitute so hoping for the win or draw so i can put it back in our pegs purse before she notices
COYB...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: brap2 on March 04, 2017, 04:50:08 AM
I'm not sure 3 at the back would work against them, with their full backs playing as wingers, especially at home. Baines and Coleman will be forced backwards so we could end up with a back 5 for long periods with no outlets on the flanks.
I'd stick to the formation we've looked comfortable with the past few weeks but with Mirallas in for Lookman, it looks well balanced and Barkley seems to thrive better in it. 

Yeah their full backs are always at it aren't they.

Fuck it, Ron knows best. Whatever he says I'll go with.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 04, 2017, 01:48:32 PM
Dreamt about this game last night, Kane scored in the 1st minute. Woke up in a right bad mood!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blue1948 on March 04, 2017, 04:48:18 PM
should have dreamt  the end where we win 2-1
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 05, 2017, 04:38:59 PM
We just don't win at White Heart Lane do we? can't really see that changing today, sadly.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 05:51:11 PM
We just don't win at White Heart Lane do we? can't really see that changing today, sadly.

We've never won there.

I just hope we win at White Hart Lane today. :)
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ari on March 05, 2017, 06:03:00 PM
anyone got streams?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 06:04:19 PM
anyone got streams?

Bit early Ari!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 06:07:52 PM
Hoping for a sneaky 0-0 here but sadly can't see anything but a defeat, they're very strong. Although did i hear that they had some key players out or did i dream it?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ari on March 05, 2017, 06:09:24 PM
Bit early Ari!

Aha... it seems that I've lost an hour hehe (but just got it back)
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 06:14:01 PM
Hoping for a sneaky 0-0 here but sadly can't see anything but a defeat, they're very strong. Although did i hear that they had some key players out or did i dream it?

Kane, Vertonghen and Alderweireld were slight doubts, but I imagine all three will start. Pochettino isn't in the habit of leaving his best players out of big games, unlike his mate across North London.

Koeman should be telling our lads to get physical and aggressive with all 3 of them early on, and test just how fit they are. A forced substitution
or two certainly wouldn't go amiss.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 06:19:04 PM
Kane, Vertonghen and Alderweireld were slight doubts, but I imagine all three will start. Pochettino isn't in the habit of leaving his best players out of big games, unlike his mate across North London.

Koeman should be telling our lads to get physical and aggressive with all 3 of them early on, and test just how fit they are. A forced substitution
or two certainly wouldn't go amiss.

Damn it i must have dreamt it then, i thought Eriksen and 2 of the other big players were out.

Aye i think we'll need a bit of aggression in this one and plenty of high pressing to try and rattle them. They're not going to play Kane in behind as he's not got the pace so i hope we press them high.

Rom needs to bully their back line also, hope he's in the mood today
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 06:30:29 PM
Massively hungover, don't you dare make me feel worse Everton
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 06:31:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/838366027780141056
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 06:31:53 PM
new team line up then...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 06:33:12 PM
Conservative away team that, I don't mind setting up defensively but will rely a lot on Coleman and Baines getting forward.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 06:33:53 PM
All the doubts start for Spurs
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 06:34:37 PM
that's a lot of CMs there.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 06:34:43 PM
Big defensive midfield that! Davies and Barkley to link up further up I'm guessing
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 06:36:03 PM
Big defensive midfield that! Davies and Barkley to link up further up I'm guessing

I think Barry will drop into a 3 so one of Schneiderlin or Gueye can move forward as well
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 06:36:18 PM
Intriguing. I would guess Gana is going to be breaking forward out of the three DMs. Be interesting to see how it works out.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 05, 2017, 06:38:25 PM
Interesting line up.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
Spurs playing a 3-4-2-1 again. Congested midfield anyone? Game to be decided in the full back/wing back positions for me.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: irishtoffee on March 05, 2017, 06:40:10 PM
Redknapp the tosser suggesting Ross would be better off leaving so he doesn't have to worry about being a local hero. Article on the sky sports news app
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 06:41:33 PM
It's nice to see tactical flexibility from one game to the next. Both Martinez and Moyes rarely changed anything according to the opposition.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 06:42:27 PM
Barry will be tasked with nullifying Eriksen, which isn't a bad tactic seeing as he's the one who makes them tick, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 06:42:54 PM
Hmm interesting team, looks like a 4-5-1. Hope Rom isn't isolated or we'll be in for a long afternoon with minimal attacking threat
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 06:46:56 PM
4-2-1-1 with Gueye and Davies just with the instruction to Hunt, Disrupt, Destroy!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 06:54:46 PM
Not sure on that line up.

I remember Moyes siding similar at Spurs when he put Rodwell out wide and we limped to defeat

It does allow Baines and Coleman to bombed forward and they're back to becoming a potent attacking threat for us so it could work in our favour that way.

I just think it will get bogged down in the middle and we'll struggle to threaten them
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 06:56:01 PM
4-2-1-1 with Gueye and Davies just with the instruction to Hunt, Disrupt, Destroy!

So we're only playing with 8 players then?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on March 05, 2017, 06:57:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/838366027780141056

Ah the old ten-pin bowling formation
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 06:57:58 PM
My brain can't even begin to comprehend how that XI will line up.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 07:01:45 PM
It's a 4-3-2-1. A lot will depend on Davies and Barkley getting close to Rom, and not isolating him, and the full backs in providing width. Davies at left wing-back is probably Spurs' big weakness, so in theory Seamus and Ross could get some joy on that side.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 07:03:14 PM
Looks like yet another big away match that we aren't going to threaten in.

Hopefully I'm wrong like.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 07:10:16 PM
Another cut to bits interview to make it look like Rom wants out.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hannu on March 05, 2017, 07:10:48 PM
any links? ive just woke up on the couch covered in my coat and a towel
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 07:12:33 PM
Another cut to bits interview to make it look like Rom wants out.

??
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:13:21 PM
per NBCSN, Rom has never scored v. Spurs??
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 07:14:53 PM
??
Talking about its hard to compare against the best as he's not been tested on the biggest stage, then hard cuts to a close up of him saying he hopes that's in the near future.  It wasn't a full un-edited answer.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 07:14:53 PM
What do we all think of Barkleys hair?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 07:15:24 PM
What do we all think of Barkleys hair?

I love it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 07:15:41 PM
What do we all think of Barkleys hair?

Big fan
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 07:15:44 PM
What do we all think of Barkleys hair?
Better than when he had no hair.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 07:16:18 PM
Jamie Rednapp is a fucking cunt.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:16:45 PM
Another cut to bits interview to make it look like Rom wants out.

Just means they're scared because they fear he doesn't.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 07:17:18 PM
Another cut to bits interview to make it look like Rom wants out.

Fake press again?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 07:18:49 PM
Why is Redknapp adamant on Barkley leaving?

Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: MarcusFenix on March 05, 2017, 07:19:25 PM
Jamie Rednapp is a fucking cunt.

Putting it mildly Lizz, I'm fucking raging right now, fucking shite player and shite pundit.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 07:20:02 PM
Souness moaning about a defensive midfielder not scoring enough goals.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 07:20:36 PM
And people still say we moan about the media coverage of us too much, and it's paranoia.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 07:20:51 PM
So clueless the both of them....
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 07:22:36 PM
This buildup coverage is horrible.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on March 05, 2017, 07:22:51 PM
Cringeworthy listening to these 3. They've just spent 5 seconds analysing our midfield (during which time Souness called it 'workmanlike') and then moved on to Tottenham's!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hannu on March 05, 2017, 07:23:13 PM
Souness moaning about a defensive midfielder not scoring enough goals.
and thats why he is a pundit not a manager
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 07:23:29 PM
No links yet?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 07:25:23 PM
No links yet?

http://cricbox.net/sky-sports-1-live-streaming-online-watch
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 07:26:22 PM
http://cricbox.net/sky-sports-1-live-streaming-online-watch

Thank you kind madam  :clap:
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 07:28:13 PM
http://www.vipboxtv.me/football/398807/1/tottenham-hotspur-vs-everton-stream.html
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 07:29:39 PM
What do we all think of Barkleys hair?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170305/877307eb2b854b0dea79940fd386e433.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170305/38b78da485126f3b4a0bfd6d7ef4d0f4.jpg)
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
Nice to have such a big match on tap, no Sky Five sides anywhere in sight.  COYB!!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:34:45 PM
Barry a step behind...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 07:35:56 PM
85 minutes to go. Just want to get out alive.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 07:36:43 PM
That ball from Barkley something else
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hannu on March 05, 2017, 07:36:54 PM
 good quality link http://watchhdsports.xyz/
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 07:38:21 PM
Got a pattern to it already
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 07:40:23 PM
Got a pattern to it already

We're going to soak and break.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 07:43:43 PM
We look dangerous !
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:45:12 PM
Their defense is just too solid.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 07:46:26 PM
Real top quality level football this.

Not one bit of time on the ball for anyone

Title: Spurs v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 05, 2017, 07:46:28 PM
On a side note, I hate Jamie Redknapp. Telling all who will listen that Barkley should move on
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 05, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
Delle Ali is such a diving bitch.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 07:47:57 PM
First goal is massive.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ball8y on March 05, 2017, 07:48:12 PM
Dele Alli must have adverts on the soles of his boots
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 07:49:11 PM
Nice to see Schneiderlin (after two fair but robust challenges, and one that was deemed a foul after Teddy Bear Head's dive) has been warned that his next foul is a yellow.

Good old refs and their influence on games.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Juanito on March 05, 2017, 07:49:34 PM
Alli is such a diver. Always looking to go down near the edge of the box from the slightest contact. Snidey little player.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 07:49:46 PM
Keeper
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:49:47 PM
holy shit
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 07:49:54 PM
Lazy from Gueye that
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on March 05, 2017, 07:49:54 PM
Dele Alli feels the contract = Dele Alli is a diving cunt
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
Oh ffs.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hannu on March 05, 2017, 07:49:56 PM
fuck off
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
Great
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
awful
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 07:50:23 PM
Fucking mouth breather.

I actually don't mind him, just fucked off he's scored 😔
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 07:50:33 PM
How the fuck did that go in? Bad mistake.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ball8y on March 05, 2017, 07:50:39 PM
bollocks.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hannu on March 05, 2017, 07:50:45 PM
joel is shite
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 05, 2017, 07:50:45 PM
Dog shit from Robles
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 07:50:48 PM
Love spurs away
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 07:50:53 PM
Lazy from Gueye that
He was wrong side.  Closing down from Barry should have been a lot better.  Game is just passing him by.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 07:50:56 PM
And that's why Robles isn't good enough.

Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 07:51:12 PM
That's really poor keeping.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 07:51:12 PM
Robles's fault all day long that.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 07:51:27 PM
That is why you need a top keeper in big games. First thing to do and fluffed it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 07:51:31 PM
Well done by Robles or it's have been two
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:51:34 PM
Better there from Robles
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 07:51:39 PM
We needed the first goal, that's probably that then
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2017, 07:51:43 PM
Terrible by Gueye that. Not great by Robles who redeems himself immediately
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 07:51:48 PM
Ugh, and there's that chant that's up there for annoyance with the funeral song and The Shite's other chant involving their birthname
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 05, 2017, 07:52:13 PM
We never closed them down. Should Joel have done more?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 07:52:26 PM
Going to be a long game now.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 05, 2017, 07:52:30 PM
Joel has to save that
Great save after tho
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 05, 2017, 07:52:31 PM
Lazy from Gueye that
Never thought I'd hear those words!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:52:33 PM
He was wrong side.  Closing down from Barry should have been a lot better.  Game is just passing him by.

The Barry gamble has certainly not paid off.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 07:52:41 PM
Somehow get to half time 1-0 and Barry off for Mirallas.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 07:52:42 PM
No criticism of Joel from the commentators...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 07:53:20 PM
Never thought I'd hear those words!

Never thought I'd say them but he just let him run off him. Yeah he got wrong side but put a hand on him, stay tight
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ball8y on March 05, 2017, 07:53:37 PM
Are all the streams coming from Tottenham Hotspurs TV? Commentaries are so biased towards Spuds it defies belief
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 07:53:44 PM
Heads have gone
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 07:53:57 PM
We've turned to shit.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 07:54:22 PM
we're playing through the eye of a needle with 5 CMs, which is at least one, maybe two too many. We need some width.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 07:54:23 PM
Need to get Barry off ASAP.  Its like playing with 10 men, but worse as they're all slightly out of position.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:54:27 PM
No criticism of Joel from the commentators...

There is on the US feed
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 07:54:53 PM
Barry looking all his 35 years here.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 07:55:25 PM
Hmm getting whipped now
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 07:55:48 PM
Playing so many suicidal balls in our own half. Balls that require a perfect pass and perfect control from the player receiving it
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 07:55:54 PM
In fairness the game plan was working fairly well, but the moment you concede the first goal, it's out of the window and then it starts to look very limited.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 07:56:10 PM
Morgs is really struggling.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 07:56:13 PM
Going to be Chelsea all over again at this rate.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 07:56:23 PM
Jesus Barry has no pace at all anymore
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 07:56:28 PM
Karate kick from Funes Mori
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 07:56:42 PM
Very sloppy, lucky to still be 1-0 here
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 07:56:51 PM
They really do show what having two top centre halves does for a team. They look rock solid back there, Lukaku won't get a sniff today unless he works for it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
Funes Mori goes into his pro wrestling mode
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 05, 2017, 07:57:21 PM
Need to get a grip here and put these on the back door. Barries a worry so needs to come off for some width.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 07:57:22 PM
In fairness the game plan was working fairly well, but the moment you concede the first goal, it's out of the window and then it starts to look very limited.

Be nice to have a game plan which isn't just about stifling the opposition in these sort of games  though, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 07:57:50 PM
Attack against defence here
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hannu on March 05, 2017, 07:57:58 PM
barry can fuck off
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 07:58:01 PM
this is terrible. Needs to make a change here
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 07:58:03 PM
we keep giving it away cos all our midfielders are on top of each other. no space in which to pass the ball.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 05, 2017, 07:58:09 PM
Barry far too slow
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Fuck me that was close.

I don't see Barry getting the premier league apps record.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 07:58:17 PM
We need Barry off, and an attacking threat put on
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 07:58:28 PM
Get Gareth Barry off this pitch.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 07:58:31 PM
Dear oh dear, can't even get out of our half now
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2017, 07:58:35 PM
Should  be 2-3 down already.  So many midfielders and still can't get the ball
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Omar on March 05, 2017, 07:58:35 PM
Somehow get to half time 1-0 and Barry off for Mirallas.

I think I'd rater see Lookman on than Mirallas, agree Barry off though.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 07:58:41 PM
We are playing like we think we are barcelona. We cant invite so much pressure in our own half. We dont have the talent to play through it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 07:58:47 PM
Make a change now, this is fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 07:58:52 PM
Awful this
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 07:59:06 PM
Fuck me we should be four down already
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 07:59:21 PM
yeah, we don't want to offend Barry by making a 1st half change, but we also don't want to lose 5-nil
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 07:59:25 PM
Be nice to have a game plan which isn't just about stifling the opposition in these sort of games  though, wouldn't it?

They're unbeaten at home, they bossed Man City and Chelsea, they've only conceded 5 at home all season, and won 8 in a row before this.  It would be suicidal to go there and play on the front foot. Like I say, we were stifling them well and had some good chances on the break, but for the final pass. You can't legislate for Robles letting a 30 yarder in at his near post, like that.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 07:59:49 PM
Ugh. That's a real shame to concede the first goal, particularly in that manner. Wind has really gone out of our sails and now we are hanging on now.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:00:08 PM
Fuck me we should be four down already

and fuck me, how quality are Spurs??
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:00:13 PM
It's just a matter of time until the second, need to form some kind of attacking threat, ridiculous this
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bally on March 05, 2017, 08:00:25 PM
They look far the better team
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on March 05, 2017, 08:00:32 PM
Koeman bottling the big game yet again. Goes too defensive in games like this
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:00:44 PM
Koeman has got this all wrong.

It's too congested in the middle meaning there's no our ball. Everything is back to the centre mids who have no space.

The only out ball we have is Lukaku and he's putting one of his shit performances in
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: djws1788 on March 05, 2017, 08:00:57 PM
getting absolutely battered since Kane's goal
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
Better down the right there
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blob on March 05, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
all a bit gloomy. not looking great, but things can change (he said hopefully).
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 08:02:19 PM
and fuck me, how quality are Spurs??
Decent team for sure.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
Koeman has got this all wrong.

It's too congested in the middle meaning there's no our ball. Everything is back to the centre mids who have no space.

The only out ball we have is Lukaku and he's putting one of his shit performances in

He's not really had much of an opportunity to be fair.

We need to go back to our winning formation. This is nuts.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:02:29 PM
I fear that if we scored it would just piss them off
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 08:02:34 PM
I wonder if we will get one refereeing decision before the half is out? 🤔
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: djws1788 on March 05, 2017, 08:02:45 PM
i have confidence Koeman will make the right changes at half time, just not confident of what the score will be before then
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:02:48 PM
Thank god for an attack there, Spurs look absolutely awesome
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 08:03:35 PM

  I fuckin hate cockneys and sky commentary teams.....




Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 08:03:59 PM
Has no-one watched Spurs in the last 2 seasons? They're a brilliant side and have been for ages.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on March 05, 2017, 08:04:21 PM
Embarrassing
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 08:04:27 PM
Still in this
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 08:05:10 PM
They have four central players and one on each flank. The space is out wide but we have no one to naturally exploit it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:05:20 PM
Lukakus doing okay. Trying to link with the midfield runners when we get it. We just have to move our play 30 or 40 yards up the field taking too many risks in defensive positions and inviting pressure.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 05, 2017, 08:05:25 PM
It really looks like only Barkley and Schneiderlin are ready for a game like this.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:05:35 PM
Hope Barcelona are watching
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:05:40 PM
Barry has been no worse than gana or Morgs.

Really lazy train of thought from people trying to single him out.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:06:13 PM
Holgate for Funes Mori and Mirallas for Barry at half time
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on March 05, 2017, 08:06:28 PM
So do we call Deli Ali just Deli now?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 08:06:30 PM
Rom hasn't got the quickest reactions
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: ForzaItalia on March 05, 2017, 08:06:34 PM
Mori. Jesus fucking Christ.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 08:06:43 PM
great play Ross
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:07:03 PM

The only out ball we have is Lukaku and he's putting one of his shit performances in

To be fair he's getting absolutely schooled today by his international team-mates. What we'd give for a centre half pairing like that.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 08:07:29 PM
Getting back into this gradually....
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: djws1788 on March 05, 2017, 08:07:30 PM
birthday boy can't make a pass to save his life
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:07:37 PM
Embarrassing

What losing 1-0 to spurs?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 05, 2017, 08:07:38 PM
Mori has been shocking
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:08:22 PM
I'm usually doing something else when the non-Everton match is on.  I mean, I sort of watch, but not intently like now.

They're miles ahead of us.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:09:21 PM
Mori has been shocking

He hasnt. Couple of loose passes but hes doing okay. Just 1 of the easy targets
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 08:09:46 PM
Must get to HT 1-0 at worst. We've got player and formation change options aplenty.  No need to panic yet.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:10:05 PM
Christ thought that was dropping in
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:10:28 PM
I'd take Funes Mori off because he looks like he could get a red card if we leave him out there.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 08:10:29 PM
We had a serious wobble after the goal.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:10:41 PM
How mad is the weather there?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:10:56 PM
If he was going to overload the midfield then surely it was McCarthy who was the choice to be our legs in front of the back four, against probably the fittest side in the league.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:11:50 PM
I'd take Funes Mori off because he looks like he could get a red card if we leave him out there.

Fucking what?

In what way?

Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:11:57 PM
At 1-0 we still have a chance of a breakaway goal, i'm clinging on to that
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
If he was going to overload the midfield then surely it was McCarthy who was the choice to be our legs in front of the back four, against probably the fittest side in the league.

Just said exactly this
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:13:16 PM
He already karate chopped that guy in the knee.  Somehow, the ref didn't card him.  Usually when he has that mindset, more is coming.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:15:19 PM
Have a real hatred for Deli Ali's face
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:16:29 PM
thank fuck for that whistle
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 08:16:31 PM
0-1 is a result after that...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
'Thanks Gareth, just hang your boots up there and take a rest son.'
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 05, 2017, 08:17:16 PM
Literally nothing to get excited about
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Robioto on March 05, 2017, 08:17:24 PM
Still in the game at half time, but I'm not hopeful of a result here. They are a good side.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 08:17:26 PM
Have a real hatred for Deli Ali's face
Funny I have the same problem with Kane
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2017, 08:17:34 PM
Lucky to be 1 down at ht. no attacking threat though. Our hope is they make a mistake or become complacent.

Wanyama and Dembele have been brilliant. Kane has been very good though too.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 08:17:43 PM
Only Barkley really performing anywhere near an acceptable level. No point packing the midfield if we don't retain the ball. Would like to see a change of approach with Lookman, Mirallas or both coming on and maybe Mc Carthy for Barry too.

I miss Jagielka by the way. Williams and Mori are shite together
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 08:17:53 PM
Just shows how far away we are.

Be nice if we could forge a chance in the second half, or any big away match this season.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:17:56 PM
I usually have an opinion to myself on how i'd change it if i were the manager, but with this i haven't got a clue.

Maybe give it another 25 mins as is with the hope of a breakaway goal. Couple of subs 10-15 mins into second half?

That's all i've got
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 05, 2017, 08:18:26 PM
See if Koeman can adjust things and get us into this
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 05, 2017, 08:18:30 PM
We bring so much pressure on ourselves. How many times have we passed the ball to an opponent or out of play. We still struggle with in game management.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 08:18:41 PM
Have a real hatred for Deli Ali's face
    Yep be hard to stop kicking it if you were a violent type
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 08:18:53 PM
A lot of bedwetting on here. The game plan was ok. They were struggling to find any space and created nothing. We had a few very good positions on the break. Then a Robles howler blows everything we've worked on out of the water.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 08:18:56 PM
We can still get something here if we take Barry off for Mirallas or Lookman, and go back to how we've been playing.  Taking the legs away from next to Schneiderlin is exposing him a bit, and Gueye is completely lost in this half right mid role he seems to be in.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 08:19:03 PM
Overreaction in here, Spurs at a really good team, unbeaten at home, was always going to be a tough game, we're only 1 down though, couldve been a lot worse. Koeman will get into them now
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:19:05 PM
Just shows how far away we are.

Be nice if we could forge a chance in the second half, or any big away match this season.

We are but Poch has pretty much got the team he wants now. Koeman hasn't yet
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 08:19:09 PM
We bring so much pressure on ourselves. How many times have we passed the ball to an opponent or out of play. We still struggle with in game management.

That's because they're closing us down and we have no options out wide.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 08:19:14 PM
Funny I have the same problem with Kane
Kyle Walker for me.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 08:20:04 PM
If he was going to overload the midfield then surely it was McCarthy who was the choice to be our legs in front of the back four, against probably the fittest side in the league.

I'd presume it was to have more control with the ball under that pressure.

Also would back Barry to pick out a ball over the top; which is where the space is.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 08:20:20 PM
Don't forget the mute button lads.

God knows what these bellends have got to say.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 05, 2017, 08:21:09 PM
Need to replace McCarthy for Barry and get the midfield going get Barkley higher up closer to Lukaku.

Looked like a deflection as well for the goal?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 05, 2017, 08:21:24 PM
They are a very good side Spurs. I would well take a draw here today. Feels like Ben Davies and Kyle Walker are having a lot of joy bombing forward

Think Barkley has done well so far. Would probably get on either Mirallas or Lookman and drop Davies back a bit
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 08:21:53 PM
Weird half. That's thought it was pretty tight until the goal (clearly we shouldn't have conceded that...poor from Robles and Gueye) then we lost all confidence. Finally were able to get a footing and we had some almost moments.

Need to show more second half though to get anything from this.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 08:22:42 PM
There's space in between and behind their centre halves. I'd get Lookman or Mirallas on, right next to Rom, drop Barkley deeper, take a centre mid off, and look to get around their centre backs with two forwards.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 05, 2017, 08:22:48 PM
Lucky to be in the game still. No idea how we're not at least 2 nil down.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 08:23:11 PM
A lot of bedwetting on here. The game plan was ok. They were struggling to find any space and created nothing. We had a few very good positions on the break. Then a Robles howler blows everything we've worked on out of the water.

Yes.

Before the goal and that 10 min spell we've defended well.

Passing has been poor but that's what they're like. Midfield has a bit of an excuse given how crowded it is. Mori less so.

Mori and Robles are too unpredictable to go forward with.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 05, 2017, 08:23:39 PM
Hopefully this is one of those games where we only play for 45mins, and hopefully it is the second 45 in this game.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 08:24:05 PM
Fucking cringe
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:24:22 PM
Need to get Mirallas on for one of the centre mids.

Think Davies has struggled a little bit today so wouldn't be adverse to see him coming off.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 08:24:51 PM
We've limited them without doing anything ourselves but we aren't secure enough with Mori and Williams at the back to not have much further forward. Lukaku had a stinking first half but he's under so much pressure that it takes a wonder ball from Barkley to give him a half chance.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:25:00 PM
I'd presume it was to have more control with the ball under that pressure.

Also would back Barry to pick out a ball over the top; which is where the space is.

I think Koeman (and everyone) over-estimated Gareth Barry's influence now. When he doesn't play regularly his sharpness falls off a cliff.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:25:06 PM
NBCSN agrees that Barry doesn't add anything, leaves us with no wide options to attack.  Suggests Lookman at the half.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
Need to get Mirallas on for one of the centre mids.

Think Davies has struggled a little bit today so wouldn't be adverse to see him coming off.

He's stumbling around a bit, I think he's struggling with the pace of the game.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: School of Science on March 05, 2017, 08:25:47 PM
For their goal Barry backed away from Kane and then turned his back, it was an open invitation to shoot and score. Mori's distribution from the back has been criminal. The difference between their centre halves and ours is patiently obvious. Take off Barry for Lookman or Mirallas, give us more pace up front. Barkley has stood out for me but we need more. Wonder where this Spurs team disappears to when they play the shite.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:26:00 PM
Vertonghen and that other guy have Rom in a vise.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 08:26:15 PM
I think while Spurs were decent we didn't help ourselves. Would look to bring on Lookman or Mirallas, probably for Barry.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Dont think its been too bad. Had a 10 minute spell where we were dreadful but apart from that..... Also while weve not created much the link play between Lukaku and the runners has looked promising if so far unsuccessful. We need to bypass the press. If we cant play through it we need to go longer and play further up the field. We need to get a bit more luck with our link play. We can still get something here.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: School of Science on March 05, 2017, 08:27:07 PM
He's stumbling around a bit, I think he's struggling with the pace of the game.

Davies has been far and away better than Barry, he's the one that needs replacing in my opinion.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 08:27:32 PM
Gana takes some of the blame for the goal, he just stopped when Kane turned, not good enough
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: School of Science on March 05, 2017, 08:28:22 PM
Only one nil down when we could be two or even three down. All to play for.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheTone on March 05, 2017, 08:29:20 PM
not looking forward to the Derby with Robles in goal, should have been a standard save that, sky talking like it's goal of the season
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 08:29:26 PM

  1 down not bad against theese would bring Miralles on and hope hes in the mood
we lack pace but he has the skill to make something out of nowt, Mcarthy would
be a sideways move for me.......Souness is still a twat
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: BlueNoseMike on March 05, 2017, 08:29:34 PM
That fucking trick handshake thing they've got going on though. Imagine if Davies and Barkley were doing that. Cringy as fuck! Not having it at all
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 08:29:54 PM
Davies has been far and away better than Barry, he's the one that needs replacing in my opinion.

Be happy for both to come off. Both have been pretty shite
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Need to get Mirallas on for one of the centre mids.

Think Davies has struggled a little bit today so wouldn't be adverse to see him coming off.

He knows that there's high pressure, which is good, but he's not managed to really pull anything off.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 08:30:57 PM
Our entire midfield has been shit (apart from Barkley).

Barry is a passenger, Gueye has been running around like a headless chicken chasing shadows and Morgs is tackling like an idiot.

It's all very well saying 'they're good' but it doesn't explain anything. Tactically we've got this wrong. We did well to contain them for a while before wobbling after the goal. But we've not laid a glove on them.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:31:11 PM
Gana takes some of the blame for the goal, he just stopped when Kane turned, not good enough

He was caught wrong side, he saw Kane running into Barry's area so there was no need to panic.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 08:32:12 PM
no changes ugh
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: kewns23 on March 05, 2017, 08:32:24 PM
It's a hard one do we stick or twist

I personally think if we twist and 352 we do these but think he's scared course we got hammered 5-0 at Chelsea
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 08:32:37 PM
No sub.. what the..
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:36:00 PM
Having no luck playing through the press. At some stage weve got to decide the better option is to go more dirct than keep giving it away
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 08:36:25 PM
Our passing and composure had been shite regardless of the tactics.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 08:37:13 PM

  Stopping baines and coleman shows up our lack of pace we rely on them too much and well organised teams
like theese show where we are lacking...work in progress
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
Imagine Williams doing what Vertonghen just did
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 08:40:26 PM
Get a wide man on ffs
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:40:36 PM
This is really poor now
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 08:40:53 PM
Not getting a foot on any of the loose balls at all
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:41:00 PM
Our passing is ridiculous. Careless, overly ambitious. It just keeps coming back because we just keep playing suicidal football
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blob on March 05, 2017, 08:41:17 PM
can't keep the ball, so helping spurs all we can. poor.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 08:41:33 PM
Spurs' experienced centre-back is better at football than our experienced centre-back.

Shocker.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:41:43 PM
Not getting a foot on any of the loose balls at all

The loose balls are because of our passing. Almost playing some of them for Spurs players to run onto
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:41:44 PM
They're starting to take the piss.

It's only 1-0 like. Put the ole's away
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:42:05 PM
good by Mori there
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on March 05, 2017, 08:42:24 PM
Need central defenders badly
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 05, 2017, 08:42:27 PM
It's just soooooo fucking boring!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:42:44 PM
Typical
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 05, 2017, 08:42:53 PM
Fuck off Robles
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 08:42:53 PM


   Ronald waiting this long to make a change is worrying, does he think theres not a lot
of point or what
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 08:42:58 PM
Shite.  Absolute fucking shite.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 08:43:01 PM
Game over.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
That will be that, then.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:43:16 PM
Pathetic
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:43:27 PM
Stream off
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 05, 2017, 08:43:30 PM
Fuckin clueless.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 08:43:30 PM
Fucking ridiculous
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 08:43:33 PM
Another atrocious individual error. Can't do that in big games against very strong teams. Mentally weak unfortunately.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 08:43:33 PM
That's awwwwful.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 08:43:35 PM
Shite.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:43:36 PM
Ah well. At least it's the nail in the coffin for Robles.

This is starting to turn into a pathetic performance.

Awful from Koeman not to sense that second goal.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 08:43:45 PM
We deserved that
Fucking shambles
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
And again. Ridiculously overly ambitious. They are blaming Joel but christ what the fuck are the defenders doing. Suicide again and again and again. Idiots
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 08:43:54 PM

  fuck me rigid
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:44:01 PM
Bye bye Joel.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:44:17 PM
Need to make all 3 subs now, just to send a message.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 08:44:20 PM
That's me done.

Disgraceful defending and disgraceful lack of subs.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 08:44:23 PM
comically bad from all involved.

Schniederlin's been shit.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 05, 2017, 08:44:23 PM
Poor tactics today, we've done fuck all up front
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:44:27 PM
This is how we perform in the majority of these games and it's been the same way for 15 years.

Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 08:44:49 PM
You can't not trust your keeper.

He's done that quite a few times today against a team that swarms all over you.

The space most definitely isn't in midfield. 
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 05, 2017, 08:44:49 PM
Awful all round. The giveaway is inexcusable and they are right Robles should not have come.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 05, 2017, 08:44:59 PM
Time left in this
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 08:45:02 PM
Bloody shit, this
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:45:08 PM
Baines looks finished too. Hes just a very average full back this season
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 08:45:14 PM
Robles...undoing all the good work of recently weeks in one game it feels like.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on March 05, 2017, 08:45:23 PM
Change something koeman ffs

Depressing
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 08:45:26 PM
Irony is that thoose who are on the field to galvanise our defence, Schneiderlin and Gana, is the ones together with Robles that has cost us the goals...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on March 05, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
Make a fucking change Koeman
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:45:45 PM
Many on here wanted to see Robles in a big game, when you need to be at it mentally, to see how far he's come.

There you go. 

Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 08:46:01 PM
Robles...undoing all the good work of recently weeks in one game it feels like.

Well he's either unlucky or it's a game when he's had more to do.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: kewns23 on March 05, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
Am sorry this was just moyes mentality
If we give them something to think we might of got something
Poor from koeman
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 08:46:17 PM
Morgs as well poor there.

Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:46:27 PM
Schneiderlin out of position to accommodate Barry.  So stupid.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 08:46:28 PM
Had no issue with the lineup but we've been terrible and Koeman hasn't addressed it. Disappointing
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 05, 2017, 08:46:37 PM
Utter shite that from schnierderlin too
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 08:47:23 PM
Still no changes???
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 08:47:43 PM
Robles does poorly but Schniederlin is showing for the ball. He should be showing 100 percent reliability in those situations because that's his job. If he doesn't want it then say so.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:47:49 PM
It's alright lads. Koeman watched he Boxing so he's sound.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 05, 2017, 08:48:08 PM
You can't not trust your keeper.

He's done that quite a few times today against a team that swarms all over you.

The space most definitely isn't in midfield. 

Koeman sets the tactics and that's why Schniederlin has dropped back to receive it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 08:48:25 PM
Still no changes???

Why bother?

We're threatening so much as it is.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 08:48:32 PM
the fuck is that from Baines?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 08:48:43 PM
Poor ball from Baines in a promising position
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:48:52 PM
Its been an almost retarded performance. Manager, players, game management just all refusing to change what wasnt working. Crazy ambition on the ball which just helped spurs all game. Simpletons
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on March 05, 2017, 08:48:59 PM
Thought we were on course for an equaliser on the break prior to that.

Simple lessons here to take for the upcoming matches at anfield and OT.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 08:49:06 PM
Mirallas and McCarthy on...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:49:11 PM
at least this puts to bed talk of anything but 7th
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 08:49:23 PM
It's alright lads. Koeman watched he Boxing so he's sound.

come off it ffs
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:49:29 PM
It's alright lads. Koeman watched he Boxing so he's sound.

Give over.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 08:49:50 PM
Taxi for Gareth 😔
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 08:49:59 PM
Gameplan totally undermined by individual errors. Can't do that in big games. Everyone has to be switched on.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on March 05, 2017, 08:50:15 PM
Not watching the game as out but surprised to see Barry start and no changes.

How have we played in general?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 05, 2017, 08:50:15 PM
Think if you post 'the tactics have been wrong' you should explain what you'd have done differently.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:50:23 PM
We might as well pull Rom off for a rest
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 05, 2017, 08:50:34 PM
Getting schooled here. No width and no options other than Rom and he's in their pocket. Get some fuckin width of Kane's on another hatrick here.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 08:50:43 PM
Its been an almost retarded performance. Manager, players, game management just all refusing to change what wasnt working. Crazy ambition on the ball which just helped spurs all game. Simpletons

Get a grip.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 08:51:04 PM
Koeman sets the tactics and that's why Schniederlin has dropped back to receive it.

But if they're marked you don't give it to them.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 08:51:12 PM
Think if you post 'the tactics have been wrong' you should explain what you'd have done differently.

Keep Schneiderlin in the center of DM
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:51:22 PM
Schneiderlin has been top drawer sat in front of the back four since he joined. Why change it today? I know some people say they can see why he did it but it wasn't necessary.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 05, 2017, 08:51:45 PM
Davies a little unlucky, not been great but better than Schneiderlin
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:51:49 PM
Gameplan totally undermined by individual errors. Can't do that in big games. Everyone has to be switched on.

Not sure thats been the problem. Weve spent the entire game trying to beat a press we cant beat. Got more and more ambitious in our attempts. At some stage youve got to say lets go more direct rather than keep giving it away. We didnt we just took more risks
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 05, 2017, 08:52:04 PM
But if they're marked you don't give it to them.

He wasn't though.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:52:08 PM
Those subs don't actually change our shape do they
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Cuttyblue on March 05, 2017, 08:53:00 PM
Not watching the game as out but surprised to see Barry start and no changes.

How have we played in general?

Misplaced passes, slower and weaker to the ball than the opponent, defensive cockups.

How can anyone blame Koeman for "tactics" when the players have an off day?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 08:53:21 PM
He wasn't though.

They were right next to Schneiderlin and Williams.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 08:53:24 PM
Not sure thats been the problem. Weve spent the entire game trying to beat a press we cant beat. Got more and more ambitious in our attempts. At some stage youve got to say lets go more direct rather than keep giving it away. We didnt we just took more risks

We were totally in control of their attacks, before the first goal. Then that changes the entire game, because they get their tails up, and we get penned in. Then we gift them a second. Neither goal is because of tactical problems.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 08:53:27 PM
Shit as we've been, both goals were poor play/ defending. So annoying.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
Get a grip.

Weve played stupidly. I think its pretty much a fact. Not the end of the world. Spurs are good. We are only playing for 7th anyway but our performance has encouraged them. Weve been a bit simple
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 08:53:41 PM
Is it the players fault we haven't had a shot?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
We were totally in control of their attacks, before the first goal. Then that changes the entire game, because they get their tails up, and we get penned in. Then we gift them a second. Neither goal is because of tactical problems.


We cant get out of our own half because we keep giving it away. Thats tactical. Go longer. Play further up the field. We arent going to play any worse trying that
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 05, 2017, 08:54:59 PM
We've actually put together some nice moves even if the final ball has been lacking.

Getting through that first wave of pressure has been the real issue. We haven't done it enough, hence the poor chance creation.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 08:55:05 PM
This is how we perform in the majority of these games and it's been the same way for 15 years.


    only 15? my memory goes back to early 70s and apart from the Kendall period its what we do,
not that im bitter.....:]
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 08:55:15 PM
Gameplan totally undermined by individual errors. Can't do that in big games. Everyone has to be switched on.

It's hard to look past that. When you setup to keep things tight, then concede two ridiculous goals it kind of throws the game plan out of the window.

That said, it wasn't working from an attacking sense.

Spurs have been good, but they've been gifted this so far.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 08:55:41 PM
Those subs don't actually change our shape do they
Well a faster engine in Mirallas and one on lower mileage in McCarthy. Other than that. Not really no...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 08:55:54 PM
Ross has been a spark for us today
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 08:56:02 PM
Is it the players fault we haven't had a shot?

We had the better positions before Spurs' goal. Rom had a 1 v 1 against Vertonghen, Davies is a tackle away from being in on goal. They had nothing. Goals, and errors, change games.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 08:56:04 PM
Ross Barkley is the only good thing about today, he really is. So fucking poor everywhere else
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 08:56:18 PM
Mistake by Koeman to chage the team to stop Spurs, rather than keep playing to OUR strengths.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:56:32 PM
Well a faster engine in Mirallas and one on lower mileage in McCarthy. Other than that. Not really no...

So Koeman still thinks his gameplan is the way to win here then. Ace.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: brittcop1 on March 05, 2017, 08:57:10 PM
Yeah, it's disappointing, but we are losing on the road to a really really good Spurs team...The tables really don't lie. This is why they are where they are and we are where we are.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 05, 2017, 08:57:25 PM
Spurs are starting to get sloppy, goal now and they might shit themselves yet
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 08:57:55 PM
We've needed a Christian Eriksen style playmaker for so long now it makes my arse weep.

I've banged on about it for ages.

Don't anybody dare say Ross Barkley.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 08:58:10 PM
It would have been if we hadn't let in thoose goals
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 05, 2017, 08:58:19 PM
Is it the players fault we haven't had a shot?
This for me

Set up far too negative and invited them on to us, lucky really it's only 2. Lukaku has been totally isolated.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 08:58:24 PM
hate colemans crosses. do my fucking nut in
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 08:58:32 PM
It's a bit 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
The selection of Barry as sitting midfielder contributed to the first goal as he's unable to press nowadays. He's hesitant and on his heels a lot more now his legs have gone and his failure to close Kane down was key.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 08:58:40 PM
Our final ball has been atrocious.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 08:58:47 PM
Colemans technique has been shocking today. Always a game runner but hes looked like Forest Gump today
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 08:58:53 PM
It would have been if we hadn't let in thoose goals

We'd still need to score though
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2017, 08:58:56 PM
And thats why nobody really big has come in for Coleman. Can't cross worth a damn
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
Amazing save.

Why the fuck was Williams going towards the ball?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blob on March 05, 2017, 09:00:02 PM
kinell. how simple did we make that failure (from spurs) to score. hopeless.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 09:00:30 PM
We'd still need to score though

A 0-0 draw would have been a good result.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:00:35 PM
We're hanging onto the ball far too long when going forward.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 09:01:01 PM
A 0-0 draw would have been a good result.

As we've seen over the years. When you play for a draw, you typically lose.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 09:01:23 PM
We'd still need to score though
As long as Lukaku play 90 mins you never know.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:01:26 PM
be happy with 2-0 now, especially since that's what I had in Prediction League.  We sure as shit aren't getting anything from this...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 09:02:07 PM
Lads, teams don't come from 2-0 down at White Hart Lane. Spurs are a top side, and they swarm all over you. You can't offer them gifts. Find summat nice to do for the afternoon.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 09:02:16 PM
As we've seen over the years. When you play for a draw, you typically lose.

Similarly when you make silly individual errors.
You don't always need to score to get a good result.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:02:38 PM
Hate how we're playing right now. Feels like we've given up with 15-20 mins left.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 05, 2017, 09:02:48 PM
They were right next to Schneiderlin and Williams.

They closed in on them as you'd expect that's part of the idea as you know to manoeuvre players out of position from a risky area.

It didn't work that time and we've carried on doing it since but it's tactics set out by the manager.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:02:58 PM
and that run is why I am happy to have Coleman forever
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 09:03:00 PM
So would people be happy with the same tactics and team when we go to Arsenal, United and the shite then?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 05, 2017, 09:03:15 PM
Lads, teams don't come from 2-0 down at White Hart Lane. Spurs are a top side, and they swarm all over you. You can't offer them gifts. Find summat nice to do for the afternoon.

Holding on to this one for that 0.000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000 00000001% chance.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 09:03:20 PM
What was that free kick?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:03:35 PM
Thats a shocking free kick.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 09:03:51 PM
haha anyone who can't see the tactical advantage spurs have over us is blind.

we've set up with five players who like to play centrally and they've been on each other's toes all afternoon. Our passing game has required barcelona-levels of short passing and first touch and we haven't got it. We've failed to have any useful periods of possession and instead turned the ball over repeatedly - against a team which thrives on forcing errors and counter-attacking quickly.

There has been no way for us to build meaningful attacks because we have no one to exploit the space their shape offers. Even our counters have come through the congested centre as this is where our runners are. We haven't stretched them horizontally and we've created nothing beyond a few nearly moments in their area.

Their wing backs have been permanently stationed in our half as we have no one to make them think going the other way. 'weak link' ben davies has ruled the left flank.

We've set up to press them high with Gueye in an advanced role and failed to do it. He's looked confused about his role and has been running the width of the pitch getting nowhere near them. That is tactical cos as we know Gueye is quite good at passing the ball.

Tactically we've played in to their hands.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 09:03:58 PM
That free kick summarise the whole game....
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:04:01 PM
Crap free kick.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 09:04:18 PM
Waste of a free kick that
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2017, 09:04:28 PM
Lads, teams don't come from 2-0 down at White Hart Lane. Spurs are a top side, and they swarm all over you. You can't offer them gifts. Find summat nice to do for the afternoon.


Stop with this shit. It's so David Moyes. 15 minutes left. We get a goal and anything can happen.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 09:04:39 PM
Someone just tweeted

"i wish my wife went down as often as Dele Alli"

haha
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
Our final ball has been atrocious.

Yeah we've had some ok positions but too often we've over hit things.

Maybe not too obvious ones but ones in midfield where a simple ball to Lukaku into the channel pushes everyone back but we've put it straight throUgh to the keeper.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 09:05:07 PM
So would people be happy with the same tactics and team when we go to Arsenal, United and the shite then?


I think aiming to keep it tight for the first stage is key in these big matches. You've then just got trust the players to not make a cock up. Which is where we fall down.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 09:06:19 PM
So would people be happy with the same tactics and team when we go to Arsenal, United and the shite then?


Nope, but the tactics will be very similar.

But we don't have the individuals at the back to go toe to toe with them.

These tactics are ok so long as you have an out ball for the counter.

We had none as we played with five fucking centre mids all playing within 10 yards of eachother.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 09:07:00 PM
Get in Rom!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 09:07:03 PM

Stop with this shit. It's so David Moyes. 15 minutes left. We get a goal and anything can happen.

It's not a comment on us, it's a comment on them. They boss the entire pitch once they are ahead.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 09:07:06 PM
Get in
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 09:07:09 PM
Get in ROM!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 05, 2017, 09:07:11 PM
Fucking finish lad!!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:07:17 PM
Get the fuck in. Good goal
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:07:20 PM
oh, look at that
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:07:21 PM
Get in!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 09:07:25 PM
As long as he plays for 90 mins you never know!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on March 05, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
And that's cos we've been more adventurous
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 09:07:35 PM
Really well taken that
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2017, 09:07:35 PM
There 1. Come in Rom.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 09:07:41 PM
Game onnnnn
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:07:44 PM
Love Lukaku.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blob on March 05, 2017, 09:07:58 PM
that helps   :clap:
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 09:07:58 PM
Again, you just knew he was scoring there.

Boss having a striker like that
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
Come on now
This can be done
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
Valencia on for Gueye.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:08:26 PM
Wouldnt mind seeing 10 minutes of lookman. Valencia though. Who knows
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 05, 2017, 09:08:31 PM
Point here would be a fucking BOOST!!!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Optimistic Blue on March 05, 2017, 09:08:43 PM
Get in, come on blues snatch and grap! x
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: djws1788 on March 05, 2017, 09:08:47 PM
still 10 mins to save this. great finish from Rom
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
Fuckin hell it's a 10 minute game of football now.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 09:08:51 PM
Great save!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 05, 2017, 09:08:53 PM

Stop with this shit. It's so David Moyes. 15 minutes left. We get a goal and anything can happen.

You should take up betting lol
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 05, 2017, 09:08:59 PM
Lets get at them
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:09:02 PM
Great by Robles.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:09:02 PM
Massive Robles!!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 09:09:26 PM
Great goal, out of the blue.

*Sky will love this if we lose meekly with a classy Lukaku consolation goal; it will further their agenda that Lukaku is way too good for us (which he sort of is, at the moment) and we have no right in holding onto him and ruining his career
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2017, 09:09:32 PM
It's not a comment on us, it's a comment on them. They boss the entire pitch once they are ahead.


No it's defeatist and bullshit.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:09:40 PM
Robles getting slatted today but hes made 3 very good saves. The 2nd goal wasnt his fault (it was called for) and while he should have saved the first it wasnt a shocking error
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 09:10:06 PM
Rom on Dier then was boss as well
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 05, 2017, 09:10:15 PM
Holding on to this one for that 0.000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000 00000001% chance.

There I go, underestimating tail probabilities.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 09:10:30 PM
Go for it now, get at them, nothing to lose have we
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:10:59 PM
to come out and challenge Kane like that takes real balls
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 09:11:14 PM
it's lived up to the build up of battle of the centre forwards.

Rom is well good.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 09:11:54 PM
McCarthy making a huge difference - pushing further up and closing on goal for any spills is good to see
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
Ross did brilliantly there
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 09:12:13 PM
Class by Ross
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 09:13:35 PM
McCarthy making a huge difference - pushing further up and closing on goal for any spills is good to see

I think he would be really effective under Koeman if he didn't have glass hamstrings
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:13:37 PM
better late than never, this match becoming as advertised
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 09:13:38 PM
Robles getting slatted today but hes made 3 very good saves. The 2nd goal wasnt his fault (it was called for) and while he should have saved the first it wasnt a shocking error

He hasn't made three very good saves at all.

He's made two really poor goalkeeping errors and the rest was routine.

People calling that one from the Kane dink a great save? Hahahah
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 09:13:58 PM
Barkley by far our best player
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 05, 2017, 09:14:16 PM
(Meeting between James McCarthy and Ronald Koeman)

KOEMAN: You know you can dribble sometimes.

MCCARTHY: Oh, really?

KOEMAN: Yes.

MCCARTHY: Maybe I'll try that.

(End meeting)
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 09:14:23 PM
If you were a manager against Spurs you'd tell your team to get right into and clatter Kane every possible opportunity.
Amazes me how often people just stand off him. Not like has has any pace or skill to do anyone.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 09:14:54 PM
Robles getting slatted today but hes made 3 very good saves. The 2nd goal wasnt his fault (it was called for) and while he should have saved the first it wasnt a shocking error

Made a couple of good saves where he's made himself big.

The first goals was poor though and was a difference maker.

The mistake was worse than the good bits good.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:14:59 PM
He hasn't made three very good saves at all.

He's made two really poor goalkeeping errors and the rest was routine.

People calling that one from the Kane dink a great save? Hahahah

Hes saved 3 1 on 1s. Is that routine now? If someone calls for the ball then youve got to assume maybe they want it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:15:00 PM
Barkley growing into this, a little late but still good to see.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 09:15:23 PM
Funes Mori. Oh my god. Funes Mori.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 09:15:28 PM
Barkley by far our best player

To be fair that bar is pretty low today.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 09:15:58 PM
Funes Mori is somewhat... Unpolished..
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:16:11 PM
Made a couple of good saves where he's made himself big.

The first goals was poor though and was a difference maker.

The mistake was worse than the good bits good.

Of course but half the forum seems happy that it might mean the end of him. Hes been below par today and brilliant previously.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 09:16:14 PM
Brilliant from Valencia
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:16:20 PM
almost, Valencia...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 09:17:07 PM
Christ Valencia was fast there
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 09:17:16 PM
Funes Mori is somewhat... Unpolished..

Still prefer him to Ashley 'The Myth' Williams, though
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blob on March 05, 2017, 09:17:41 PM
if we'd played like this for a bit longer, the team in the little sailor suits would be shitting themselves...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 09:17:42 PM
Mad mad weather.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 09:18:12 PM
Think it's pretty obvious a new goalkeeper and centre half will be top of Walsh's list.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on March 05, 2017, 09:18:19 PM
We're playing that 4-4-2 that I like.

Too bad it's in a mad scramble to pull that second goal back.

On closer inspection... not really. More like a 4-3-3.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:18:22 PM
Stupid free kick to give away.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
I love it when Sky don't show a replay when they know the decision was dodgy
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 09:18:48 PM
Fell asleep
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
Terrible.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:19:01 PM
well, shit
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 09:19:01 PM
Oh FFS!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blob on March 05, 2017, 09:19:06 PM
bollocks
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on March 05, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
Think it's pretty obvious a new goalkeeper and centre half will be top of Walsh's list.
100%
In fact make that two centre halves
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 09:19:12 PM
Piss poor. Individual error again, not tactics
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 09:19:16 PM
Ahh well they've deserved it
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Of course but half the forum seems happy that it might mean the end of him. Hes been below par today and brilliant previously.

He's been solid recently under little pressure.

He's had stuff to do today and made mistakes.

He's not been the liability that he's been for most of his time here recently but we still need a much better keeper.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Ugh. What a shit way to end.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 09:19:29 PM
Of course but half the forum seems happy that it might mean the end of him. Hes been below par today and brilliant previously.

No, it shows that he isn't quite good enough at this level and a new goalkeeper is an absolute priority.



Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 09:19:32 PM
oh fuck off
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Optimistic Blue on March 05, 2017, 09:19:40 PM
what by great duncans bicep was that!?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Trowel on March 05, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
WTF.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on March 05, 2017, 09:19:59 PM
Haha! Fuck sake Valencia lad!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 09:20:04 PM
Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:20:05 PM
bananas
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:20:13 PM
Wow. 3-2.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 09:20:13 PM
COME ON haha
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 09:20:14 PM
Think it's pretty obvious a new goalkeeper and centre half will be top of Walsh's list.

Two centre-backs (three if/when Jag's goes)
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
Fuck it. Had 3-1 in prediction
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
He's been solid recently under little pressure.

He's had stuff to do today and made mistakes.

He's not been the liability that he's been for most of his time here recently but we still need a much better keeper.

Little pressure? We havent been winning 4 and 5 every week. Hes won us points
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 09:20:46 PM
Boss goal that
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:20:50 PM
Oh Coleman
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
Crazy ending here.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Robioto on March 05, 2017, 09:20:59 PM
Kept my cool this game but what the flying fuck were we doing with defending that freekick. Useless.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 09:21:09 PM
Williams is really poor
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:21:12 PM
Williams :(
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:21:13 PM
Williams has been dire.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 09:21:14 PM
you know what, i actually hate Ashley Williams
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 09:21:15 PM
haha anyone who can't see the tactical advantage spurs have over us is blind.

we've set up with five players who like to play centrally and they've been on each other's toes all afternoon. Our passing game has required barcelona-levels of short passing and first touch and we haven't got it. We've failed to have any useful periods of possession and instead turned the ball over repeatedly - against a team which thrives on forcing errors and counter-attacking quickly.

There has been no way for us to build meaningful attacks because we have no one to exploit the space their shape offers. Even our counters have come through the congested centre as this is where our runners are. We haven't stretched them horizontally and we've created nothing beyond a few nearly moments in their area.

Their wing backs have been permanently stationed in our half as we have no one to make them think going the other way. 'weak link' ben davies has ruled the left flank.

We've set up to press them high with Gueye in an advanced role and failed to do it. He's looked confused about his role and has been running the width of the pitch getting nowhere near them. That is tactical cos as we know Gueye is quite good at passing the ball.

Tactically we've played in to their hands.

Nah, not having any of that. Some of it is true AFTER we conceded the first goal due to an individual error. But before that, they hadn't even come close to creating a dangerous situation and it was working fine.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 05, 2017, 09:21:28 PM
How shit is Williams?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 09:21:31 PM
Little pressure? We havent been winning 4 and 5 every week. Hes won us points

Calm down.

He's been decent in recent months.

No need to go over the top.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
How shit is Williams?

Can't stand him
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:21:52 PM
No, it shows that he isn't quite good enough at this level and a new goalkeeper is an absolute priority.





It shows no such thing. 1 bad game proves nothing. What you mean is that youd already decided that. The weight of evidence is on the side of all them good performances
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Nicco on March 05, 2017, 09:21:59 PM
Williams has been somewhere else mentally today.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 09:22:04 PM
I think Robles has been poor but to highlight any particular player is harsh when only Barkley has done anything of real value and Lukaku has scored his usual goal because he had an actual chance. Worst performance from us in a good while. 7th it is I would think and today is just an indicator that we are in the right position.  We need a good few signings in the summer to progress.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 09:22:10 PM
Little pressure? We havent been winning 4 and 5 every week. Hes won us points

I think we've forgotten what a basic level keeper is like.

We've hardly conceded any shots until today in the last 2/3 months.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:22:10 PM
Balls
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 09:22:20 PM
Worst 3-2 ever.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 09:22:32 PM
3-0 would have actually been a fair reflection. How we scored two there?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: christiffa25 on March 05, 2017, 09:22:50 PM
Williams has been dire.

Williams is poor. Jags is better still.
Funes Mori is dog turd.

Need 2 CB's come the summer.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 05, 2017, 09:22:53 PM
Williams is really poor

Terrible business that. Never been a top half player.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 09:23:04 PM
2 goals away at Spurs isn't bad, they massively deserved it though so can't complain
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:23:34 PM
Can't excuse Robles for the gifted goals but in fairness he made a couple of good stops to keep us in touching distance too.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 09:23:42 PM
Big games need big mentality. We lacked, from manager downwards.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 09:23:43 PM
Been playing pretty well Williams for the last few weeks. Loads of clean sheets and it certainly hasn't been due to Funes Mori.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 09:24:02 PM
I want to see Mori/Holgate.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheRam on March 05, 2017, 09:24:13 PM
It shows no such thing. 1 bad game proves nothing. What you mean is that youd already decided that. The weight of evidence is on the side of all them good performances

I've decided it from three years of him being an Everton player.

He's not good enough to be a number one for a team wanting to be in the champions league.

It's not a major criticism, I actually think he's a good keeper.

But, ultimately just not good enough for us.

Please don't respond if you're going to be all hyperbolic about it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2017, 09:24:23 PM
Outplayed today by a better team
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
Mori is better than WIlliams
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
Williams is poor though. Very little redeeming qualities this season on balance. Two quality CBs is a must this summer.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 09:25:30 PM
Nah, not having any of that. Some of it is true AFTER we conceded the first goal due to an individual error. But before that, they hadn't even come close to creating a dangerous situation and it was working fine.

I'd say @hill135 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3741) is right offensively but defensively it was poor mistakes.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Audrey Horne on March 05, 2017, 09:25:31 PM
I told myself i wouldnt react badly if we lost but i just cant help myself....we are shit. haha
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Redartin on March 05, 2017, 09:25:32 PM
Could have been worse, West Brom could have won yesterday.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:25:39 PM
I've decided it from three years of him being an Everton player.

He's not good enough to be a number one for a team wanting to be in the champions league.

It's not a major criticism, I actually think he's a good keeper.

But, ultimately just not good enough for us.

Please don't respond if you're going to be all hyperbolic about it.

He was shockingly shite. This season hes been very good. If he was new to us this season people would be quite happy with him. People judge him on when he was shockingly shite.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 09:26:05 PM
you know what, i actually hate Ashley Williams
He was a buy like when your with the kids at the checkout and they put all the shit they cant get rid
of but you buy it to shut the bread snappers up.....old old mentallity crept back in today
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 09:26:20 PM
I've decided it from three years of him being an Everton player.

He's not good enough to be a number one for a team wanting to be in the champions league.

It's not a major criticism, I actually think he's a good keeper.

But, ultimately just not good enough for us.

Please don't respond if you're going to be all hyperbolic about it.

I agree, good shot stopper with excellent reactions, decent keeper but not good enough if we're going for top 4 as prone to blunders, one too many from what i've seen
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: pjk on March 05, 2017, 09:27:02 PM
Oh well. 3-2 against Spurs away. It was always going to be a struggle. I had a bad stream and kept losing the game so will need to rely on the reports.  :-\
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 09:27:08 PM
Mori is better than WIlliams

No way for me.

Williams isn't good when there's space and it's wide open.

I think he'd be fine with a better player there.

Mori just isn't good. Plus he's completely unpredictable which isn't what you want in a CB.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 09:28:02 PM
Mori is better than WIlliams
The fact that this is the debate over our best centre back says it all.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
I'd say @hill135 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3741) is right offensively but defensively it was poor mistakes.

And that's fair enough. The problem with a defensive setup is when you concede, you've got a massive job on your hands changing it. If we'd conceded because of a tactical problem, I'd lay the blame at Koeman's door. I think he wanted us to at least be in the game, and then have options to change it when Spurs got frustrated. And that was working....until it stopped working.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on March 05, 2017, 09:28:27 PM
As poor as we were it was soft goals that cost us - could've easily got something here, even if we didn't deserve anything.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
He was shockingly shite. This season hes been very good. If he was new to us this season people would be quite happy with him. People judge him on when he was shockingly shite.

No, it's people know what he's like and that he's been rubbish more than good.

Because we've seen him it's more likely that this has been a good run of form rather than what he's like.

Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 05, 2017, 09:29:16 PM
No way for me.

Williams isn't good when there's space and it's wide open.

I think he'd be fine with a better player there.

Mori just isn't good. Plus he's completely unpredictable which isn't what you want in a CB.


Williams or Jags predictably will cost a goal a game and switch off when you need a leader like for the2nd and 3rd goal.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 05, 2017, 09:29:46 PM
I agree, good shot stopper with excellent reactions, decent keeper but not good enough if we're going for top 4 as prone to blunders, one too many from what i've seen
Let's be fair mate. We're nowhere near a top 4 side so there's time on both fronts. Let's try for 6th first.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:29:47 PM
The silly thing about the result was, there are ways to get at Spurs. We just didn't make the right choices or have the right execution for much of the game.

McCarthy I think quietly made a difference in the middle but the real change it seemed like Barkley suddenly decided to take control of the game for us. It seemed after that incident with Baines he got wound up and decided to do it all himself.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 09:30:19 PM
And that's fair enough. The problem with a defensive setup is when you concede, you've got a massive job on your hands changing it. If we'd conceded because of a tactical problem, I'd lay the blame at Koeman's door. I think he wanted us to at least be in the game, and then have options to change it when Spurs got frustrated. And that was working....until it stopped working.
It was never working.  Barry never got near the ball and instead Schneiderlin and Gueye were shunted out of their normal positions.  If Gueye had been playing deeper instead of Barry then Kane doesn't get the shot off.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 09:30:59 PM
Nah, not having any of that. Some of it is true AFTER we conceded the first goal due to an individual error. But before that, they hadn't even come close to creating a dangerous situation and it was working fine.

Fair enough mate. I think you're dead wrong but we'll have to agree to disagree.

I agree we were containing them before the goal but I'm not sure that constitutes working fine. We wouldn't have scored in a month of Sundays with that shape because we insisted on making the pitch smaller.

I also disagree that some of it was only true after the goal. Ben Davies was stationed outside our penalty area from minute one, and Gueye was running around like a fool for his entire time on the pitch. Likewise Schniederlin and Barry were duplicating each other's role before the goal.

In fact I could go as far to attribute the goal to the confusion amongst the midfield as to who had which role and how to press the ball (before Joel fucks it).

For me, the implication of what you are saying is 'it could have been different but for conceding the first goal' which I have down as quite a banal observation but also a rather large hypothetical.

If (nearly) every player plays badly as they did today it can usually be put down to poor tactics.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ross on March 05, 2017, 09:31:08 PM
He was shockingly shite. This season hes been very good. If he was new to us this season people would be quite happy with him. People judge him on when he was shockingly shite.

Yeah made some decent saves today but he'll get judged on preconceived ideas. I've already seen posts that he's done after today's game from people who before today were saying we could spend the money elsewhere due to his up turn. All because of one poor goal that others were more culpable of conceding.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: wilbur on March 05, 2017, 09:31:19 PM
The truth is that all three goals were avoidable but we were still flattered by the scoreline.

We're the 7th best team in the league and that's so much better than last year.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 05, 2017, 09:31:25 PM
Let's be fair mate. We're nowhere near a top 4 side so there's time on both fronts. Let's try for 6th first.

Yeah that's not what i said mate. I said we're looking at going for top 4, not this season obviously.

With a good summer we can be right in the mix next year
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 05, 2017, 09:31:43 PM
The saddest thing was seeing how quickly they figured out that the best way to gain possession was to press all our defenders bar Funes Mori, who will give the ball to them willingly.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Mayor Farnum on March 05, 2017, 09:32:39 PM
Can't excuse Robles for the gifted goals but in fairness he made a couple of good stops to keep us in touching distance too.

Usually after he'd passed the ball to a Spurs player.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:32:56 PM
No, it's people know what he's like and that he's been rubbish more than good.

Because we've seen him it's more likely that this has been a good run of form rather than what he's like.



I don't know. He looks a different player to the idiot that punched everything.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on March 05, 2017, 09:35:46 PM
Ross' ball in for the second was brilliant.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 09:38:59 PM
For me, the implication of what you are saying is 'it could have been different but for conceding the first goal' which I have down as quite a banal observation but also a rather large hypothetical.

If (nearly) every player plays badly as they did today it can usually be put down to poor tactics.

I think you know that's not what I'm saying, and it's fairly poor form on your part to deliberately misrepresent my point.

It's quite clear that I'm not saying 'it could have been different but for conceding the first goal'. I'm saying Spurs created nothing and were looking fragmented and frustrated. I assume that was Koeman's plan (which to me was reasonable), and then that entire plan is dismantled by an individual error that Koeman couldn't have possibly legislated for.

Was the initial set-up limited in attacking terms? Yes, I can concede that to some extent, but we did have comfortably the better attacking situations before the Robles mistake, and didn't have the final pass or shot. So again, I'd say that was working alright.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 05, 2017, 09:39:49 PM
I don't know. He looks a different player to the idiot that punched everything.

He looks better than that yes.

But he's still got these mistakes in him.

The derby, Hull, today. And that's with not very much to do in lots of the games.

He's improved with the saves where he comes out and makes himself big that's for sure.

But calls along the lines of not needing a keeper are premature based on his career to date.

We need better.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 09:41:27 PM
I went for a walk qhen their second went in. Was surprised we scored two.

It's clear what needs to be sorted in the summer though. Our cbs are not the long term solution.

Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 05, 2017, 09:41:28 PM
At least we got out alive eh
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:41:31 PM
I seem to be in the minority, but I thought some of the hyperbole for Spurs in this thread was a bit much.

Not saying they're not a decent side. However, they're at home and they have a certain way of playing...but there are ways around that. We gifted them a goal and it was only when we clearly became a bit demoralized as the plan had gone out the window that we lost our way...but they didn't capitalize on that. It took another dumb mistake for them to get the next goal...and also to some degree the third.

Dunno, good side but we should've beat them at Goodison and I don't think we're that far off their level.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: keiko on March 05, 2017, 09:42:05 PM
Look at Baines during Alli's goal.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on March 05, 2017, 09:43:16 PM
Spurs away is one of the toughest games of the season. I would have been made up with a draw. They deserved the win

Before the game we knew that Koeman knew that we need more additions in the next transfer window and nothing has changed there. Still don't feel entirely confident in the centre backs and Joel had one of his off days.

Was pleased with Ross Barkley today I thought he was easily our best performer
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:44:49 PM
He looks better than that yes.

But he's still got these mistakes in him.

The derby, Hull, today. And that's with not very much to do in lots of the games.

He's improved with the saves where he comes out and makes himself big that's for sure.

But calls along the lines of not needing a keeper are premature based on his career to date.

We need better.

Not sure the derby goal was his fault. 1 of them weirdly paced shots that just totally wrong foots a keeper. Hull? The free kick? (I can't remember the other goal)

These aren't really errors more could do better moments. He's not going to save every shot he could save. I think he's been good this season. I think people are judging him on what came before and he doesn't look like that player anymore. Time will tell but we'll struggle to sign a keeper that's better than this seasons form. He's been better than joe hart this season who people wanted us to give city 40m for
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheTone on March 05, 2017, 09:44:54 PM
away to spurs or arsenal and no points, standard everton really, some thought that perhaps we could push on further up the league but back to reality now, we are a fair distance off, I know we scored 2 but the gulf there was big, didn't lay a glove on them for much of the game
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 09:45:00 PM
Worst 3-2 ever.

Anyone else read this in comic book guys voice?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Tinga on March 05, 2017, 09:45:24 PM
Forever 7th.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 09:46:12 PM
 
   our defence needs re build no doubt but today and the liverpool game tactics were naive at best
and thats at Ronalds door for me, we were coasting against Liverpool and Valencia was having a stormer
he took him off and it went to shit, today we started shit and it took him an age to change things when we
had nowt to lose......hes no tactical master yet nowhere near
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 05, 2017, 09:47:19 PM
Thought Robles wasn't far off our man of the match. We didn't lose today because of the keeper, we lost be we were completely outplayed for most of the game.

Kane's goal caught everyone off guard, could have done better, but so could of team in closing him down. He was about 1cm away from getting to a powerful dipping shot in the corner.

With regard to throwing it out to Schneiderlin, it's an error of judgement, but with Spurs pressed up, it encourages you to bypass pressing players and it can be valuable in starting attacks. Schneiderlin is showing for it and Williams is nearby even if not paying attention and too busy complaining.

When you get that outplayed, it's difficult to blame any individual too much, as plan and tactics clearly didn't work.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:48:14 PM
Thoughts on Baines?

Not the best defending or attacking at present. What has happened to his crossing?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 05, 2017, 09:48:38 PM
Do we need new full backs too. Baines doesn't look the same player and while Coleman has fantastic energy his technique is very hit and miss. Think we definitely need a left back.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheTone on March 05, 2017, 09:49:29 PM
Thoughts on Baines?

Not the best defending or attacking at present. What hasn't happened to his crossing?

hasn't got the legs anymore to get onto the byline and whip crosses in consistently like before, we miss that threat bigtime
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 05, 2017, 09:49:44 PM
Was the initial set-up limited in attacking terms? Yes, I can concede that to some extent, but we did have comfortably the better attacking situations before the Robles mistake, and didn't have the final pass or shot. So again, I'd say that was working alright.

Commentary was massively over the top, we created more than enough openings to trouble them, but the narrative was set before the game started.

And the game also proved why I wouldn't have Kane over Lukaku. Sure, he scores a lot of goals but how many chances does he need to do so? Lukaku had one chance and he was clinical with it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on March 05, 2017, 09:52:06 PM
Apart from when our fans made some noise that was the quietest PL ground I've known. Will be worse when Spurs play their home games at Wembley.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: hill135 on March 05, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
I think you know that's not what I'm saying, and it's fairly poor form on your part to deliberately misrepresent my point.

It's quite clear that I'm not saying 'it could have been different but for conceding the first goal'. I'm saying Spurs created nothing and were looking fragmented and frustrated. I assume that was Koeman's plan (which to me was reasonable), and then that entire plan is dismantled by an individual error that Koeman couldn't have possibly legislated for.

Was the initial set-up limited in attacking terms? Yes, I can concede that to some extent, but we did have comfortably the better attacking situations before the Robles mistake, and didn't have the final pass or shot. So again, I'd say that was working alright.

I'm not misrepresenting your point. I don't understand what it is, but you've clarified it now.

I would say they created very little but I wouldn't agree they look fragmented and frustrated. They were firmly in control. I don't agree either we had the better attacking situations either. Davies nearly went through and was tackled. That was it.

I don't agree there was no legislating for the goal. It might have been avoided by setting up a balanced midfield with a clearer understanding of responsibilities. It might not have been. Joel did make a bad error though.

The initial set up was not just limited in attacking terms but invited pressure by confining our passing to stupid areas of the pitch.

Did the goal affect the game? Of course it did but I don't think that the initial gameplan was a recipe for any points anyway. Players made individually poor decisions but these don't happen in a vacuum.

As I said, I disagree with you. I can't be fucked to explain line-by-line any further
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 09:54:25 PM
I look at Spurs and think the quality of the top 4 has come down, rather than Spurs being dramatically better than they're typical level.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blue1948 on March 05, 2017, 09:57:35 PM
Commentary was massively over the top, we created more than enough openings to trouble them, but the narrative was set before the game started.

And the game also proved why I wouldn't have Kane over Lukaku. Sure, he scores a lot of goals but how many chances does he need to do so? Lukaku had one chance and he was clinical with it.

I would love to agree but he has more goals -got more today  -and by your own admission has more chances .So run that by me again
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 05, 2017, 09:57:43 PM
I'm not misrepresenting your point. I don't understand what it is, but you've clarified it now.

I would say they created very little but I wouldn't agree they look fragmented and frustrated. They were firmly in control. I don't agree either we had the better attacking situations either. Davies nearly went through and was tackled. That was it.

I don't agree there was no legislating for the goal. It might have been avoided by setting up a balanced midfield with a clearer understanding of responsibilities. It might not have been. Joel did make a bad error though.

The initial set up was not just limited in attacking terms but invited pressure by confining our passing to stupid areas of the pitch.

Did the goal affect the game? Of course it did but I don't think that the initial gameplan was a recipe for any points anyway. Players made individually poor decisions but these don't happen in a vacuum.

As I said, I disagree with you. I can't be fucked to explain line-by-line any further

Yeah, you've made your point ad nauseam (as have I), and I can't be fucked listening to it anymore either.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 05, 2017, 09:59:40 PM
I would love to agree but he has more goals -got more today  -and by your own admission has more chances .So run that by me again

He plays in a team that creates a lot more chances for him. That's all there is to it.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 10:01:34 PM
Forever 7th.

Magnificent 7th 😂

Did anyone buy that cringily titled season review DVD?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 05, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
Thought Baines and Coleman were really nullified and forced into defending for most the game. Think that was one of the key reasons we were so ineffective.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 10:04:33 PM

  Apart from the Kendall era that was a flashback to every side since the early 70s for me
that had promise but no fuckin balls in the big games...tactically poor as well though  Ronald has time
yet to point to what he has to use that wernt his buys obviously, not next season though....
    Tony Bellews could be brought in to inject some PMA
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
Thought Baines and Coleman were really nullified and forced into defending for most the game. Think that was one of the key reasons we were so ineffective.

Agreed, still I think there are some growing question marks about how soon we need a viable replacement for Baines.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 10:06:22 PM
Yeah, you've made your point ad nauseam (as have I), and I can't be fucked listening to it anymore either.

Don't like it when my bro's quarrel 😔
 :hug:
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blue1948 on March 05, 2017, 10:06:44 PM
I seem to be in the minority, but I thought some of the hyperbole for Spurs in this thread was a bit much.

Not saying they're not a decent side. However, they're at home and they have a certain way of playing...but there are ways around that. We gifted them a goal and it was only when we clearly became a bit demoralized as the plan had gone out the window that we lost our way...but they didn't capitalize on that. It took another dumb mistake for them to get the next goal...and also to some degree the third.

Dunno, good side but we should've beat them at Goodison and I don't think we're that far off their level.
Can I borrow those glasses when you have finished with them ?
I thought Gana had by far his worst game for us ,Seamus too .Barry looks so far off the pace we play now, Tom was run around and couldn't make any impression but Ross didn't deserve to lose -his best game for a long long while and finally the mystery that is Mori ,he is far and away the best outright defender we have but now I see what a waste that is when he is just a catastrophe waiting to happen and he has got to go .Am I pissed ? no I thought we would do well to get anything out of this game .I just thought the team looked like 7th playing 2nd and that is how they thought of themselves except Ross
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on March 05, 2017, 10:08:01 PM
We'll still finish 7th which is where we should be with the current squad of players. Spurs are 2nd for a reason and have had the benefit of CL football with practically the same players for the past two seasons. The play the pressing game well.

Our spine needs recruiting in the summer. We need that creative player who we have never replaced since Arteta left.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 10:09:52 PM
Agreed, still I think there are some growing question marks about how soon we need a viable replacement for Baines.

He goes backwards really often these days, or plays that predictable low diagonal ball into the centre that often gets picked off.

A combo of injury taking its toll, father time tapping his fingers impatiently, and the absence of an impish genius like Pienaar to play clever one-two's and create acres of space for him, have really taken the jam out of Bainesey's doughnut.

Real shame.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 10:12:01 PM
We need options all along the back four so those currently there have at least a bit of pressure on them to pick up their form. It's why our midfielders have (apart from today) been at a high level of late.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 10:14:05 PM
Can I borrow those glasses when you have finished with them ?
I thought Gana had by far his worst game for us ,Seamus too .Barry looks so far off the pace we play now, Tom was run around and couldn't make any impression but Ross didn't deserve to lose -his best game for a long long while and finally the mystery that is Mori ,he is far and away the best outright defender we have but now I see what a waste that is when he is just a catastrophe waiting to happen and he has got to go .Am I pissed ? no I thought we would do well to get anything out of this game .I just thought the team looked like 7th playing 2nd and that is how they thought of themselves except Ross

A lot of our players didn't play well. My point was, I don't think they're anything special. They were at home, they're a strong/fit side and that can look good when we're making mistakes and inviting pressure. We fell apart for a spell after that cheap first goal but the rest of the game they weren't tearing us apart. Just my opinion but I thought they were lucky vs us at Goodison, weren't lucky at all today (be that due to stupid mistakes or players playing off their best).

That Spurs side would not have been top 4 in the a PL league with a typically stronger top 4. They still seem like a top 5/6 team to me, and I'd suggest their European form reflects that.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 05, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
He goes backwards really often these days, or plays that predictable low diagonal ball into the centre that often gets picked off.

A combo of injury taking its toll, father time tapping his fingers impatiently, and the absence of an impish genius like Pienaar to play clever one-two's and create acres of space for him, have really taken the jam out of Bainesey's doughnut.

Real shame.

You can tell he's still looking for that link up play, but there is nobody there to take that mantle. I don't think he wants to cross it directly from the byline, rather work it further in with a little interplay on the edge of the box.

However, if we're not changing that dynamic then it will raise questions about his contribution.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
Get Holgate into the XI.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on March 05, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
You can tell he's still looking for that link up play, but there is nobody there to take that mantle. I don't think he wants to cross it directly from the byline, rather work it further in with a little interplay on the edge of the box.

However, if we're not changing that dynamic then it will raise questions about his contribution.

Indeed.

Players like Pienaar are a rarity, and Baines was blessed to have him.

It is rare for a player of his ilk to be out on the left, as they are usually in the centre to create more damage; he was obviously put out there to bring out the best in the undoubted talent that Baines possesses.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 05, 2017, 10:24:57 PM
Agreed, still I think there are some growing question marks about how soon we need a viable replacement for Baines.

After today you could be looking for replacements everywhere. Today is the sort of day where very few are getting deserved criticism, it's more frustrations at the lacklustre nature of the teams performance.

Barkley was arguably the player who tried the most, but what did we actually do in their third of the pitch. We got 2 late goals when we put some more pressure on them and had some attacking players on the pitch. Koeman decided to go with Barry in the middle and then push Davies forward. We created so little and had so little influence at their end, players were very isolated.

I always thought Martinez had a priority for players who could play and then defend for defence. Think Koeman's defensive priority leads to us to midfield players who can defend as priority. Today we had a team with 1 forward, 1 attacking midfielder and the rest defensive minded players for most the day. When they took the lead, we had to make changes before we posed much of an attacking threat.

If you don't pose a threat, opponents will find a weakness.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on March 05, 2017, 10:25:34 PM
Williams has been somewhere else mentally today.
    Along with any abillity
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Silas on March 05, 2017, 10:28:54 PM
Get Holgate into the XI.

Not against that but don't think he's the answer at all at this point. I do wonder how bad Jags can really have deteriorated to not feature at all.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 05, 2017, 10:36:55 PM
Not against that but don't think he's the answer at all at this point. I do wonder how bad Jags can really have deteriorated to not feature at all.

Not the answer, probably, but I'd like to at least see if he and Mori are any improvement as a unit, and see which of them is better suited to be the #2 (or #3) CB option next season.  Williams should be 4th choice at best.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: velimski on March 05, 2017, 11:02:35 PM
Pretty bad afternoon all round.

Had a can of beer confiscated by the old bill seconds after opening it before KO.

We looked quite comfortable for the first 20 minutes, but not closing Kane down before he got his shot away was criminal. Appeared that Robles should have done better with the shot, although I couldn't really see the replay that well on the big screen.

Barry should have gone off at half time.

Suicidal back pass for the 2nd goal. Was it Schneiderlin? Couldn't really tell.

Funes Mori a liability throughout.

What the fuck has happened to Baines?

On a positive note, I thought Barkley was outstanding.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 05, 2017, 11:02:57 PM
Robles has proved himself a competent No 2 now, which is great.
However we still need a new keeper and at least one commanding centre half. We barely had a sniff against a team with two commanding centre backs, it shows what we need to be one of the top teams
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on March 05, 2017, 11:18:16 PM
No blame on Robles on the BBC report:

"The England forward's second came after the break. Belgian Mousa Dembele caught French midfielder Morgan Schneiderlin dawdling on the ball, allowing Dele Alli to poke a pass through to his team-mate. The Spurs striker then applied a sidefoot finish past the Spanish keeper."
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 05, 2017, 11:20:23 PM
We looked quite comfortable for the first 20 minutes, but not closing Kane down before he got his shot away was criminal. Appeared that Robles should have done better with the shot, although I couldn't really see the replay that well on the big screen.

Gana stopped running with Kane and left Barry in two minds, having to cover the pass to Dele Alli or the shot from Kane, in the end he was caught in no man's land. Robles was really slow to react to that shot though.


Suicidal back pass for the 2nd goal. Was it Schneiderlin? Couldn't really tell.

Aye, he tried to pass it to Williams, who wasn't prepared to receive it, but then Schneiderlin didn't want the ball from Robles in the first place.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: American Evertonian on March 05, 2017, 11:23:54 PM
Not the answer, probably, but I'd like to at least see if he and Mori are any improvement as a unit, and see which of them is better suited to be the #2 (or #3) CB option next season.  Williams should be 4th choice at best.

This. Think Williams isn't far off from completely falling off the map and losing the plot
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 05, 2017, 11:24:57 PM
Didn't get Koeman today . No need to change the way we have been playing . Spurs are excellent at home and I would have sooner see us keep the same side and same way of playing win , lose or draw . No dramas though as their home record shows we lost nothing in defeat .
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Ridge on March 05, 2017, 11:32:54 PM
After a game where we have created the sum of next to fuck all, why's everyone bashing the defenders and keeper.

McCarthy used to get murdered for not having more courage on the ball. We had Davies, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Barry, who were all pretty tidy in possession, put in some tackles and worked hard, but did next to nothing in opponents 3rd of pitch or incisive passing or runs.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blargins on March 05, 2017, 11:41:27 PM
away to spurs or arsenal and no points, standard everton really, some thought that perhaps we could push on further up the league but back to reality now, we are a fair distance off, I know we scored 2 but the gulf there was big, didn't lay a glove on them for much of the game

Are a fair distance off? I think the difference was the defence. From midfield on, we can compete. Our sloppiness in defence is what cost us. What was Williams doing for the second?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Shogun on March 05, 2017, 11:49:24 PM
No blame on Robles on the BBC report:

"The England forward's second came after the break. Belgian Mousa Dembele caught French midfielder Morgan Schneiderlin dawdling on the ball, allowing Dele Alli to poke a pass through to his team-mate. The Spurs striker then applied a sidefoot finish past the Spanish keeper."

Was there a minimum word count requested on the report?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: MmmblueBernard on March 06, 2017, 12:25:02 AM
Beaten by a very good side and let down by shite defending.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Confucius on March 06, 2017, 12:45:10 AM
Are a fair distance off? I think the difference was the defence. From midfield on, we can compete. Our sloppiness in defence is what cost us. What was Williams doing for the second?


And I saw it as our midfielders being totally out played by Wanyama and the Rolls Royce that is Dembele. They were outstanding today. And that's why they bossed possession. Our midfielders didn't compete
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on March 06, 2017, 12:53:15 AM
A few things...

Don't know why everyone is so amazed we aren't as good as them. Pretty sure most of us realized it before this game. I looked at this game as a good measuring stick to see how much the gap was.

Why is Barry in the starting 11? Again with his passes to no one, and late challenges....

2nd goal for them could have been blamed on all 3 of our players involved. Robles, Schneiderlin, Williams.

3rd goal against is really what bothers me though. I can understand the 2nd goal against, it's mistakes made by players, but standing around falling asleep with a free kick in your defensive end is absolutely unacceptable.

Koeman needs to take note of this game in the summer when he's signing players.

Move on to next weekend and beat West Brom and we're back to being the best of the rest.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on March 06, 2017, 12:57:17 AM

And I saw it as our midfielders being totally out played by Wanyama and the Rolls Royce that is Dembele. They were outstanding today. And that's why they bossed possession. Our midfielders didn't compete

Barry was in Schneiderlin's spot.  Schneiderlin in Davies' spot.  Davies in The Tooth's.  It didn't work.

I especially suggest we never fuck with Schneiderlin's "QB" role ever again.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Gash on March 06, 2017, 01:06:28 AM
I especially suggest we never fuck with Schneiderlin's "QB" role ever again.

Stop it!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Sixx1402 on March 06, 2017, 01:10:09 AM
Magnificent 7th 😂

Did anyone buy that cringily titled season review DVD?

Yeah i've still got it somewhere  ::)
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 06, 2017, 01:13:18 AM
Need perspective. This side is better than under Martinez. We are 7th and possible bonus on European football next season. Today was an evaluation on our progress but I think we made them look better than they are due to us having an off day. Too many out of sorts and Barry showing he should be off the bench, not a starter.
We need 2 good CB's for sure but I'm still happier than under knob ed  We can beat west brom next week and cement out place and we could even best the shite on our day.. onward Evertonians!!!!
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on March 06, 2017, 01:15:08 AM
I can see why Barry was put into the team as he is our best CM at picking out balls over the top and they play a high line but the speed of the game and intensity does not suit him and I feel Koeman should have known that.

Don't think much new was shown today really. We need upgrades at CB, GK, and probably another attacker who can play across multiple positions. We've known this for awhile.

Was good to see Barkley play well and drive us on a bit even though we played poorly overall.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 06, 2017, 01:44:48 AM
I can see why Barry was put into the team as he is our best CM at picking out balls over the top and they play a high line but the speed of the game and intensity does not suit him and I feel Koeman should have known that.

Don't think much new was shown today really. We need upgrades at CB, GK, and probably another attacker who can play across multiple positions. We've known this for awhile.

Was good to see Barkley play well and drive us on a bit even though we played poorly overall.

Yeah I think we went so narrow as Lookman isn't ready yet for Spurs away and you can't rely on Mirallas.

If we had a wide player who he trusts I think we'd have stuck more to the normal game plan.

As it was I think, knowing the swarming pressure that Spurs out on the opposition, to have the midfielders to have lots of options close to them rather than potentially being a long way from each other.

None of the 4 midfielders had a good game though so whether through that or the tactic making them like that it didn't work.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on March 06, 2017, 01:46:14 AM
Kane's first goal is a pretty regulation save from a better goalkeeper.

The second I have no idea what Robles thought Schneiderlin was supposed to do with the ball, facing his own goal, with two Spurs players behind him and one either side. Completely unnecessary.

The third was just shocking. Where were the two centre halves? Was it Schneiderlin who had to attempt to follow Alli in? I can't remember but I know it didn't look right.

Just poor play at the back all round but this is what happens when you're under pressure against the top teams away from home. You need to be on it mentally, weather the storms, stay in the game and then it's time for you to try and create something.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueski on March 06, 2017, 02:18:48 AM
The third was just shocking. Where were the two centre halves? Was it Schneiderlin who had to attempt to follow Alli in? I can't remember but I know it didn't look right.
alli was stood in space between our two defenders when the kick was taken allowing him to jog on past and tap it in- our two defenders were spaced about 10 yards apart in a line with him in the middle if I recall correctly
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on March 06, 2017, 03:34:04 AM
The 2nd Robles probably assumed he wanted it as he called for it.
The 3rd while a bit embarrassing was really down to us trying to stop all the balls that would see them keeping possession and running out time and no one actually looking for the attacking ball
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on March 06, 2017, 09:33:08 AM
alli was stood in space between our two defenders when the kick was taken allowing him to jog on past and tap it in- our two defenders were spaced about 10 yards apart in a line with him in the middle if I recall correctly

It was Baines and Schneiderlin...
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bwana on March 06, 2017, 12:09:38 PM
Get Holgate into the XI.

In principle yes. However, I think he's a bit too raw still. Good at defending when the opponent is allowing him time and space. When a big center forward like Costa gets close to him, he's in trouble. Kinda similar situation in which Heitinga was. Holgate however still has time for getting that fixed.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 06, 2017, 12:39:37 PM
No blame on Robles on the BBC report:

"The England forward's second came after the break. Belgian Mousa Dembele caught French midfielder Morgan Schneiderlin dawdling on the ball, allowing Dele Alli to poke a pass through to his team-mate. The Spurs striker then applied a sidefoot finish past the Spanish keeper."

How come they didn't say what nationality Dele Alli was ?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: GLewis on March 06, 2017, 01:11:34 PM
How come they didn't say what nationality Dele Alli was ?

Might have a policy of English unless otherwise stated?
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Escla on March 06, 2017, 04:09:29 PM
 :smug:
Hmm...read the first sentence again  :snigger:
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: TheTone on March 06, 2017, 04:33:46 PM
Are a fair distance off? I think the difference was the defence. From midfield on, we can compete. Our sloppiness in defence is what cost us. What was Williams doing for the second?

Including the goalkeeper they have 5 better players in the defensive positions, Wanyama and Dembele are also better than what we've got in the middle of the park, Eriksen is the type of player we badly need, I don't think there's much difference between Lukaku/Barkley and Kane/Alli, the 4 of them are quality
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Major Clanger on March 06, 2017, 04:45:21 PM
How come they didn't say what nationality Dele Alli was ?

Maybe they got Dan Brown in as guest reporter. :)
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on March 06, 2017, 05:51:08 PM
Maybe they got Dan Brown in as guest reporter. :)

He would probably qualify to play for England , Nigeria and Somalia or something like that .
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on March 06, 2017, 07:49:31 PM
In a lot of ways, I blame the people who don't rate Harry Kane for this result ;)
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on March 06, 2017, 08:24:11 PM
Everton doing an Arsenal/Spurs versus the shite but 7th is still attainable.

Koeman can't get it right all the time but fucked it by starting Barry.

Next time......
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on March 06, 2017, 09:51:13 PM
Everton doing an Arsenal/Spurs versus the shite but 7th is still attainable.

Koeman can't get it right all the time but fucked it by starting Barry.

Next time......

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Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on March 06, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
I would genuinely like to see some progress against the sides above us in the remaining games this season. We've done pretty poorly for the most part and it'd be nice to show something more in those away games against Liverpool, Arsenal, and Man United. While there were clearly some stupid mistakes, there is also plenty of room to take some lessons from this game and improve.
Title: Re: Spurs v Everton
Post by: bluenuck on March 06, 2017, 11:43:58 PM
I would genuinely like to see some progress against the sides above us in the remaining games this season. We've done pretty poorly for the most part and it'd be nice to show something more in those away games against Liverpool, Arsenal, and Man United. While there were clearly some stupid mistakes, there is also plenty of room to take some lessons from this game and improve.

I agree, but against spurs We weren't the better team, but I thought we battled and tried to play positive against a good team in a tough place to play.

It really shows how important a strong defensive structure is in this league. It's a must when we're talking about making top 4.