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Title: Stub Hub
Post by: Alanvideo on March 23, 2017, 01:54:28 AM
It's about time this was brought to light.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/mar/22/everton-supporters-trust-stubhub-tickets
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Jimmywhack on March 23, 2017, 02:14:42 AM
Should never be allowed to charge over face value
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: phillyt on March 23, 2017, 02:26:14 AM
Should never be allowed to charge over face value

I think it should be done on a fixed price system. So whatever your season ticket is divided by 19+plus a sensible admin fee. Maybe a pound each from buyer and seller. There should also be an option for an auction for pre chosen  "major" games (Derby, united, city etc) with any profit over the set price going to club charities. I know that last bit would still irk some as it prices some people out. My thinking tho is if you stop the opportunity for flagrant profiteering there will be more matchday tickets or even season tickets available direct from the club at affordable prices.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Polledreng on March 23, 2017, 02:26:53 AM
Should never be allowed to charge over face value
this
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 23, 2017, 02:43:29 AM
I've never bought on stub hub but have sold on it regularly for 2 years due to change of circumstances meaning that, for a while,  we can't all go regularly  but we don't want to give up the tickets. If we have to sell it's an adult and a youth. For ease of calculation I divide the 19 games into the ST cost's and look to just break even. I ask 45 for both and fall just short after commission paid. Here's what annoys me. I've advertised them and checked the price afterwards and they show at 45. Fine. What I discovered a couple of weeks ago was that the buyer also sees the same price but when he moves to checkout it adds on another 10 or so. I've been selling at 55 and never known it. I Googled stub hub and discovered that it changed to this system 2 years ago after research in the USA showed they sold more this way than by advertising a total up front cost. To me that stinks!
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Simon Paul on March 23, 2017, 02:44:33 AM
I don't think I've ever sold a ticket on
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 23, 2017, 02:54:48 AM
It's very quick and easy on stub hub and it would be a shame to lose that but I do think the club needs to clamp down on overcharging. Shame to accept that some of the profiteering is fans on fans. Presumably the club can suspend customer accounts when it's abused thus invalidating ST's and stopping one off purchases as well?
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Alanvideo on March 23, 2017, 03:55:47 AM
A few games in the winter I couldn't get to because of illness so used StubHub and it works fine. I can't afford to lose money but only want to cover my costs. Even with the StubHub add-on I don't think my ticket costs the buyer more than the matchday price ,say 40 ish in the MS. I think that's fair enough.
What I object to is tickets going on sale at 90  to 120 plus fees which are currently advertised for the Burnley game .It would be quite easy for Everton to clamp down on this. It wouldn't really affect StubHub ,they charge about 5 to both the buyer and seller which I think is reasonable.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Goaljira on March 23, 2017, 04:26:45 AM
Having to use stubhub for the Leicester game, but being on the telly prices don't seem too horrible.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Shropshire Blue on March 23, 2017, 04:31:09 AM
A few games in the winter I couldn't get to because of illness so used StubHub and it works fine. I can't afford to lose money but only want to cover my costs. Even with the StubHub add-on I don't think my ticket costs the buyer more than the matchday price ,say 40 ish in the MS. I think that's fair enough.
What I object to is tickets going on sale at 90  to 120 plus fees which are currently advertised for the Burnley game .It would be quite easy for Everton to clamp down on this. It wouldn't really affect StubHub ,they charge about 5 to both the buyer and seller which I think is reasonable.
No, that isn't right but it's what I thought. The buyer pays  20% (+ vat on that 20%) in addition to the 10% paid by the seller. So on my 45 stub hub takes about a fiver off me plus another 12 off the buyer. That seems expensive.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Simon Paul on March 23, 2017, 04:40:21 AM
Stub Hub is as bad as the FA charging 90 for a seat to watch the FA Cup Final that they charged 45 for to watch your team in the semi final....
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Trowel on August 24, 2017, 01:56:47 PM
Bit on the news about this today, after Crystal Palace announced a partnership with ticket re-sale service Twickets to allow season ticket holders the opportunity to re-sell their seats at face value.

(my only hesitation with this news is the line "Chairman Steve Parish, a recent investor in Twickets"...)

But any competition and pressure on StubHub has to be a good thing.

https://www.cpfc.co.uk/news/2017/august/palace-partner-with-twickets/
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Lazarou on August 24, 2017, 02:24:14 PM
If it was me I just would give it to a mate or a relative. Profiteering from your fellow blues does not sit right with me at all.

Would it be too much of a administrative nightmare for the club for them to reimburse you the ticket and put it back on sale themselves? 
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Alanvideo on August 24, 2017, 02:45:29 PM
If it was me I just would give it to a mate or a relative. Profiteering from your fellow blues does not sit right with me at all.

Would it be too much of a administrative nightmare for the club for them to reimburse you the ticket and put it back on sale themselves? 
.............that might work yes. But people are missing the point. Stubhub don't set the prices ,it's the seller . As I've said before the system works fine but EFC could easily stop people profiteering by insisting that the selling price ( incl.fees ) does not exceed the matchday price.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: MrWhite on August 24, 2017, 03:38:32 PM
You'd think that the club have the infrastructure to do the whole thing in house.

If you can't go, you tell the club, they simply add your seat back into the available pot (much as they already do with Cup games for STH to secure their own seat?). If it sells, at the standard single ticket price for that game, that amount (less a minimal admin fee, a couple of quid?) is then credited to your account, perhaps paying off your installment or even going into credit towards your next ST, or cup ticket, etc?

Club keeps full control, fans get a fair deal, some external company doesn't profit and the cockwombles profiteering off fellow blues, lose.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Escla on August 24, 2017, 04:30:37 PM
If it was me I just would give it to a mate or a relative. Profiteering from your fellow blues does not sit right with me at all.

Would it be too much of a administrative nightmare for the club for them to reimburse you the ticket and put it back on sale themselves?

Problem with that would be people buying season tickets wrecklessley with the intention of only attending the Derby, Man.U , Chelsea, and City, might just be too many of that type.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: dangermouse on August 24, 2017, 04:43:32 PM
Problem with that would be people buying season tickets wrecklessley with the intention of only attending the Derby, Man.U , Chelsea, and City, might just be too many of that type.

I know several people that do that now and quite happily boast that their season ticket is paid for selling several unused stubs on stub hub :(
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Lazarou on August 24, 2017, 04:49:50 PM
I know several people that do that now and quite happily boast that their season ticket is paid for selling several unused stubs on stub hub :(

(https://media.giphy.com/media/9Y5BbDSkSTiY8/giphy.gif)

Fucking grim that, vote conservative?
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Gary1878 on August 24, 2017, 04:52:27 PM
I think it would be great to have tickets sold at face value + standard admin charge for Stubhub and then a charity contribution to Everton in the Community. e.g. a 35 ticket should cost 35+5 admin+5 to Everton . This is fair, and everyone wins.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 24, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
I bought a couple of tickets last year through them and on two instances when I went to pick them up they said I had to pay extra to upgrade the ticket when it clearly did not state what category the ticket was for.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: MrWhite on August 24, 2017, 05:04:41 PM
Problem with that would be people buying season tickets wrecklessley with the intention of only attending the Derby, Man.U , Chelsea, and City, might just be too many of that type.

What stops them from doing that currently and using Stubhub to sell them for a lot more?
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Escla on August 24, 2017, 05:11:13 PM
I suppose you have a point, it would be better if the club took it in house, they could then restrict the number of re sales perhaps to 5 per season ?
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: pjk on August 24, 2017, 05:19:49 PM
One thing is for sure. If you're not a proper Evertonian and you see a season ticket as a way to make money? Well! This StubHub issue is open to massive abuse. It wouldn't surprise me if there were whole families of non-Evertonians selling them every week and having no intention of going the match anyway. It would be a good way for the red side to make the blue sides life more difficult for starters. And vice-versa. It must be going on all over the country, especially where tickets are hard to come by.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Alanvideo on August 24, 2017, 05:28:49 PM
I bought a couple of tickets last year through them and on two instances when I went to pick them up they said I had to pay extra to upgrade the ticket when it clearly did not state what category the ticket was for.
................yes you have to be careful. It states the category adult/oap/child at the checkout stage but only in very small print.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Alanvideo on August 24, 2017, 05:31:59 PM
One thing is for sure. If you're not a proper Evertonian and you see a season ticket as a way to make money? Well! This StubHub issue is open to massive abuse. It wouldn't surprise me if there were whole families of non-Evertonians selling them every week and having no intention of going the match anyway. It would be a good way for the red side to make the blue sides life more difficult for starters. And vice-versa. It must be going on all over the country, especially where tickets are hard to come by.
....................the club can easily identify these people and stop it. I don't know why they don't. Perhaps @Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) can bring it up at the fans forum ?
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: MrWhite on August 24, 2017, 05:34:08 PM
I suppose you have a point, it would be better if the club took it in house, they could then restrict the number of re sales perhaps to 5 per season ?

If it's in house they could control it however they want. Setting a low number might be a bit unfair given how many games get moved to various times and days now? Maybe tie it in to EitC, with a limit to stop selling enough games to cover the ST cost, maybe the deal is a percentage goes to the charity, and that percentage increases with each subsequent resale?
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: TheRam on August 24, 2017, 05:34:28 PM
Gonna be putting mine up for the league cup games.

How does one go about doing that?
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: pjk on August 24, 2017, 05:38:48 PM
....................the club can easily identify these people and stop it. I don't know why they don't. Perhaps @Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) can bring it up at the fans forum ?



It's something I can't stand when it comes to spectator sports. Most people are genuinely fanatical about their teams. It's a shame that peoples passion is so easily penalised by unscrupulous users. I'm not giving it the moral stance here. It's just a genuine shame for those who are priced out of going and miss out.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Escla on August 24, 2017, 05:42:33 PM
Gonna be putting mine up for the league cup games.

How does one go about doing that?

That might be tricky ? Assume you are in the auto cup scheme which means your account is charged with the ticket price for that game and your season ticket is than validated for entry, don't think you could then put it on stub hub, only thing you can do is cancel your auto cup option.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: MrWhite on August 24, 2017, 05:44:15 PM


It's something I can't stand when it comes to spectator sports. Most people are genuinely fanatical about their teams. It's a shame that peoples passion is so easily penalised by unscrupulous users. I'm not giving it the moral stance here. It's just a genuine shame for those who are priced out of going and miss out.

Same is true of the live music industry. It's a fucking piss take.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Alanvideo on August 24, 2017, 05:46:30 PM
That might be tricky ? Assume you are in the auto cup scheme which means your account is charged with the ticket price for that game and your season ticket is than validated for entry, don't think you could then put it on stub hub, only thing you can do is cancel your auto cup option.
..................you're probably right. I don't bother with the auto-cup thingy ,you still get a 2 day window to claim your ST seat anyway.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: DanDan on August 24, 2017, 05:48:21 PM
Gonna be putting mine up for the league cup games.

How does one go about doing that?

I just buy the cup home games I cant go and then give the ticket away free. gives me that extra credit to get the away games I want to go to
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Escla on August 24, 2017, 05:52:24 PM
..................you're probably right. I don't bother with the auto-cup thingy ,you still get a 2 day window to claim your ST seat anyway.

Your absolutely right, forgot about the two day window, think I'm going to cancel my auto cup right now.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: TheRam on August 24, 2017, 05:54:11 PM
That might be tricky ? Assume you are in the auto cup scheme which means your account is charged with the ticket price for that game and your season ticket is than validated for entry, don't think you could then put it on stub hub, only thing you can do is cancel your auto cup option.

Ahhh bollocks

Cheers for letting me know that  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: MrWhite on August 24, 2017, 05:54:14 PM
Has anyone got a price list and game category list? Struggling to find either of these on the OS, sure they used to have something somewhere.. Found the ST prices but nothing more beyond 'From 38 Adult'
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Escla on August 24, 2017, 06:04:47 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/content/tickets/d2qsy1h1438jt3.cloudfront.net///d2qsy1h1438jt3.cloudfront.net/~/media/ad6087bb27b64009a1ccd56568bd529f.pdf

Think there's just this and then they announced which category a game is when the tickets go on sale.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Bally on August 24, 2017, 06:07:09 PM
....................the club can easily identify these people and stop it. I don't know why they don't. Perhaps @Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) can bring it up at the fans forum ?
We already have discussions regarding it, I will bring it up again.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: MrWhite on August 24, 2017, 07:09:52 PM
OK, how about you have to sign up for the resale scheme, maybe pay a 5 charge to join it (covering Admin costs for the club). You release tickets back to the club to resell at standard prices. The difference between your 'per ticket' price and the standard price goes directly to EITC. EFC can deny access to the scheme if more than a certain number of tickets are sold.

ST PriceGame Refund Cat A/BCharity
42022.1138/4215.89+4
48525.5339/4313.47+4
52527.6442/4614.36+4
55028.9544/4915.05+5
56529.7445/5015.26+5

Solve the whole stub hub problem, and makes a bundle for the charity to boot, allowing EFC some good publicity for that without actually having to spend any money.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: starblood on August 24, 2017, 07:43:14 PM
I don't see anything wrong with getting the best price for a season ticket seat if you cannot make it.

An Evertonian will always "profiteer" if they sell on StubHub as they aren't going to set the sale at 1/19th of the price of their season ticket if they've got any sense (as it would be less than the match day rate).

I've never sold, but if I did I wouldn't be adverse to charging above the match day rate for my cracking seat.

Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 24, 2017, 08:02:48 PM
I don't see anything wrong with getting the best price for a season ticket seat if you cannot make it.

An Evertonian will always "profiteer" if they sell on StubHub as they aren't going to set the sale at 1/19th of the price of their season ticket if they've got any sense (as it would be less than the match day rate).

I've never sold, but if I did I wouldn't be adverse to charging above the match day rate for my cracking seat.


Don't judge everyone by your dubious moral standards - that is EXACTLY what I do and others do as well. 1/19th of what I paid whether it be Huddersfield or Liverpool.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: starblood on August 24, 2017, 08:13:51 PM
Don't judge everyone by your dubious moral standards - that is EXACTLY what I do and others do as well. 1/19th of what I paid whether it be Huddersfield or Liverpool.
You sell it to friends/family at 1/19th? Fair play to you - and that's what I'd do.

If you charge 1/19th to a stranger on Stub Hub then you're nuts.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 24, 2017, 08:17:11 PM
You sell it to friends/family at 1/19th? Fair play to you - and that's what I'd do.

If you charge 1/19th to a stranger on Stub Hub then you're nuts.
Mine goes free to family and friends, 20 on stub hub
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: starblood on August 24, 2017, 08:23:56 PM
Mine goes free to family and friends, 20 on stub hub
Can you even tell if it's going to a Blue? You'd be better off charging 40 and then sticking the extra 20 in a charity box.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: TheRam on August 24, 2017, 08:30:35 PM
I'm gonna be selling me league cup games to my mates at face value.

Be arsed giving it away and being out of pocket
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 24, 2017, 08:33:23 PM
You sell it to friends/family at 1/19th? Fair play to you - and that's what I'd do.

If you charge 1/19th to a stranger on Stub Hub then you're nuts.
No, I'm not nuts, I'm just a more genuine supporter than you are.
You're confusing the wish to not rip off fellow supporters with a lack of brains. I would suggest calling yourself an EvertonIan and trying to rip off fellow supporters is more evidence of a lack of brains and morality.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 24, 2017, 08:39:01 PM
Can you even tell if it's going to a Blue? You'd be better off charging 40 and then sticking the extra 20 in a charity box.
Would you charge a friend who isn't a blue more then?
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: starblood on August 24, 2017, 08:47:47 PM
No, I'm not nuts, I'm just a more genuine supporter than you are.
You're confusing the wish to not rip off fellow supporters with a lack of brains. I would suggest calling yourself an EvertonIan and trying to rip off fellow supporters is more evidence of a lack of brains and morality.

Haha! Very sanctimonious. You certainly think a lot of yourself.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: starblood on August 24, 2017, 08:58:06 PM
Would you charge a friend who isn't a blue more then?
I don't see the point you're making. You are actually losing money, to a stranger, who you're not sure is even a Blue?

There's a guy in the pub I drink, Manchester United season ticket holder, and he wont pass on his ticket for anything other thank the full ticket price. That's to friends/family/relatives/associates. And his reasoning is that (in his mind) it is a privilege to go and watch them play and that shouldn't be discounted in any way. So it's not about what he receives it is about what he believes people ought to pay to go and watch/experience United at Old Trafford. It's not my point of view, but I can certainly respect it as a standpoint.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 24, 2017, 09:12:06 PM
Haha! Very sanctimonious. You certainly think a lot of yourself.
I think more of my method of using stub hub than your profiteering. Sanctimonious if you like but I won't explain further as you obviously just don't get it
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: starblood on August 24, 2017, 09:16:55 PM
I think more of my method of using stub hub than your profiteering. Sanctimonious if you like but I won't explain further as you obviously just don't get it

Oh I get you fella, don't worry!
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Simon Paul on August 24, 2017, 10:30:16 PM
I've never charged for my season ticket seat when I can't go, and never will

imagine paying more to sit next to the clowns I sit with ;)
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 24, 2017, 10:45:55 PM
I'm gonna be selling me league cup games to my mates at face value.

Be arsed giving it away and being out of pocket

What's the point in you buying them in the first place then?
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: TheRam on August 24, 2017, 10:55:23 PM
What's the point in you buying them in the first place then?

I'm in the auto cup scheme.

I'd rather stay in it for the Europa league games
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Escla on August 24, 2017, 11:03:20 PM
I'm in the auto cup scheme.

I'd rather stay in it for the Europa league games

You don't have to be in both, you can cancel the League Cup but keep the Europa League and FA Cup.
Title: Re: Stub Hub
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 25, 2017, 12:18:53 AM
People who buy tickets just to earn credits with no intention of actually attending the match, but then use the credits to go to finals etc.
Is that any worse than selling your ticket on stubhub for more than face value?

I'd say they're both slightly kopite behaviour. (The difference being that kopites actually sell them to their mates for more than face value)