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Title: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on June 07, 2017, 05:35:59 AM
Sounds like the door is still open for him to stay.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-could-welcome-gerard-deulofeu-13142976
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blueToffee on June 07, 2017, 06:07:10 AM
“If nothing changes I expect him to be at pre-season training. If something does change, then we will talk about it.”

Koeman sounds really excited.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 07, 2017, 06:09:04 AM
Is the end of June that Barca have to make their decision by?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2017, 06:11:31 AM
Please god
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2017, 06:13:14 AM
Hate to break it to the lads but he is literally better than anyone we have outwide by a good way.

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ross on June 07, 2017, 06:19:24 AM
Wonder why he couldn't have got the playing time here seeing as Bolasie was out injured for a year, Mirallas was in and out of the team and Lennon had become invisible before depression kicked in?

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on June 07, 2017, 06:21:47 AM
Is the end of June that Barca have to make their decision by?

I don't think that'll matter.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on June 07, 2017, 06:21:49 AM
Hate to break it to the lads but he is literally better than anyone we have outwide by a good way.



Can't see him staying to be honest but I do like him, I just can't get my head around why he doesn't score more as I've discussed before at length.

If he was capable of switching up his play a bit more as well, a bit like ronaldo when he first came through at United and could just tear a full back apart going either direction again and again and again. With deulofeu he's capable but if he's not getting past them he seems to burn out quite quickly.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on June 07, 2017, 06:25:26 AM
Seems like every managers he's played for isn't convinced and considering that Roberto Martinez is the exception to that, doesn't help his case.

He just need to get his head down for a year and learn how to play for the better of the team rather than individually.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on June 07, 2017, 06:25:38 AM
Hate to break it to the lads but he is literally better than anyone we have outwide by a good way.

That's hardly a ringing endorsement.

When he's on it, he's good, when he's not he's just a passenger and fitness still seemed an issue as well.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on June 07, 2017, 06:28:06 AM
Seems like every managers he's played for isn't convinced and considering that Roberto Martinez is the exception to that, doesn't help his case.

Even under Martinez he disappeared out of the team for a while didn't he?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on June 07, 2017, 06:29:58 AM
Even under Martinez he disappeared out of the team for a while didn't he?

Yeah, bit of an odd one that though. Struggle to believe it was a pure footballing decisionbecause Deulofeu was smashing the assists charts and then couldn't get a game for about four month.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bornblue88 on June 07, 2017, 07:01:39 AM
95% of the time he's useless and 5% absolutely brilliant. He could get away with being ok 95% and brilliant 5% but that all hangs on stamina for me
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blueski on June 07, 2017, 07:04:10 AM
Italy's the place for him IMO having seen a few of his appearances
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on June 07, 2017, 07:53:23 AM
Agree with all the posts above.

He's boss, but does he have it to make it here?

He was pretty awful anytime he played under Koeman.

But I'd hate to see us get rid of such talent so easily and see us keep faith with someone like Mirallas who's run his course here.

Without going over the top (maybe Iam) I think he's the most talented footballer we've had since Arteta and someone we should look to keep here.

But I can see who Koeman doesn't fancy him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jamokachi on June 07, 2017, 08:00:56 AM
I reckon he'd be a great option to have in our Europa League games, and hopefully more.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on June 07, 2017, 09:23:41 AM
I reckon he'd be a great option to have in our Europa League games, and hopefully more.
My thoughts exactly.

And with the challenge of getting decent players in he's probably one to keep for another season at least.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: cantoffee on June 07, 2017, 09:41:34 AM
Has to be a better option than most coming off the bench.

Don't see a reason to give up on him yet given that he's still quite young and has a lot of talent. Gonna have to work hard to win back Koeman's trust.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on June 07, 2017, 01:34:23 PM
He'll be like a new signing
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 07, 2017, 01:34:59 PM
Hate to break it to the lads but he is literally better than anyone we have outwide by a good way.



Based on absolutely nothing he does on a match day. Koeman knows it's nonsense. Deulofeu is last in the queue to play and rightly so
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 07, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
Good option off the bench is just nonsense/ that's how koeman was using him most of the time and most of the time he was hideous.
It's like me saying we should keep Kone cos he's a scorer of important goals. It's plainly not true

There's no way koeman wants him back here. A loan deal almost fell through because we wanted a commitment to buy. He's not found a manager yet who rates him and that's because despite all his talent he's largely shit.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2017, 01:52:37 PM
The only way he'll end up back here is if we fuck up our summer recruitment and we don't have much better to call on.

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheTone on June 07, 2017, 02:14:24 PM
It will be a sad state of affairs if we end up playing Deulofeu next season

A sunshine player if there ever was one

A Lazar Markovic type who flatters to deceive and look where he ended up

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Juanito on June 07, 2017, 02:19:42 PM
I remember watching him in a match away to Arsenal. We were playing 4-3-3 and he went on one of his runs and tried to put a cross in but was a bit tired, so it went out. Then he stood there, hands on knees, blowing as the game carried on and Arsenal went down the other end, leaving Monreal the freedom of that side is the pitch. Martinez told him to stay up there and not bother coming back. He was the only player on the pitch doing that. Italy is slower paced and perhaps suits him more.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 07, 2017, 02:38:01 PM
I remember watching him in a match away to Arsenal. We were playing 4-3-3 and he went on one of his runs and tried to put a cross in but was a bit tired, so it went out. Then he stood there, hands on knees, blowing as the game carried on and Arsenal went down the other end, leaving Monreal the freedom of that side is the pitch. Martinez told him to stay up there and not bother coming back. He was the only player on the pitch doing that. Italy is slower paced and perhaps suits him more.

The stuff of nightmares that little story, on a number of levels.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Hawkandro on June 07, 2017, 02:39:45 PM
Would like to keep him, but not sure he is suited to the Premier League, especially working under RK. If we could get him motivated to follow his tactics, as well as improving his stamina and fitness, then we would have a key attacking player.

You get the feeling he will be playing abroad come August though.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Hawkandro on June 07, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
The only way he'll end up back here is if we fuck up our summer recruitment and we don't have much better to call on.

I'll look forward to seeing him start come September.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bornblue88 on June 08, 2017, 12:30:38 AM
I reckon he'll start pre-season here and we'll wait to see if anyone offers any money before making a decision whether he can go out on loan again or not. I'm sure koeman would rather sell him as he's not really doing it at 23
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on June 08, 2017, 12:44:50 AM
Hope we get him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Simon Paul on June 08, 2017, 12:53:44 AM
that story about Koeman telling Geri he was shit last summer was about right then
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: toshyboy on June 08, 2017, 01:08:38 AM
that story about Koeman telling Geri he was shit last summer was about right then

What was that? Never heard it
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Simon Paul on June 08, 2017, 01:35:03 AM
What was that? Never heard it

Geri was being presented by the shareholders association with the young player of the year award. Koeman grabs it to look at it. "There's some impressive names on here. Not sure why they're giving it to you, you're shit" (not an exact quote but the general gist apparently)

Both then laughed and Koeman wandered off for a beer (I've made the beer bit up. He drinks whisky at finch farm)
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 08, 2017, 02:40:16 AM
He'll be like a new signing

Glad the gallows humour is out in full force, sounds as if we will need it.  :D

After everything else I've read the last few weeks, the notion of one inconsistent, but exciting footballer coming back our way is a ray of sunshine.  Even if the manager clearly hates him.

Yeah, back to the gallows humour please.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 08, 2017, 03:28:42 AM
We're seriously short of numbers - Ron's just keeping his options open.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: toffee_scot on June 08, 2017, 05:03:37 AM
The only way he'll end up back here is if we fuck up our summer recruitment and we don't have much better to call on.

So there's a chance for Deulofeu then.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: sam of the south on June 11, 2017, 02:40:45 AM
Doesn't want to return according to Italian press:


http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/everton-fc/everton-fc-transfers/17185-deulofeu-doesnt-want-everton-fc-return/
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 11, 2017, 02:44:08 AM
Doesn't want to return according to Italian press:


http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/everton-fc/everton-fc-transfers/17185-deulofeu-doesnt-want-everton-fc-return/
Don't fuckin blame the lad Koemanez has the man management skills of Geoffrey Hardacre..
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 11, 2017, 02:47:35 AM
Don't fuckin blame the lad Koemanez has the man management skills of Geoffrey Hardacre..

He's fucking shite. Nothing to do with man management. He wants to be a flair player that trots around the pitch without a defensive care in the world but he creates the square route of fuck all while doing it.
He's not found a manager yet he's overly keen on him. Let's see if Milan even want to sign him and let's see if he plays after they've spent a couple of hundred million on other players
Doesn't entertain coming back. Koeman doesn't want him but but he'll have absolutely no say anyway unless Barca sign him
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 11, 2017, 02:49:33 AM
He's fucking shite. Nothing to do with man management. He wants to be a flair player that trots around the pitch without a defensive care in the world but he creates the square route of fuck all while doing it.
He's not found a manager yet he's overly keen on him. Let's see if Milan even want to sign him and let's see if he plays after they've spent a couple of hundred million on other players
Doesn't entertain coming back. Koeman doesn't want him but but he'll have absolutely no say anyway unless Barca sign him
I know got you though...
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Alanvideo on June 11, 2017, 03:46:37 AM
Don't fuckin blame the lad Koemanez has the man management skills of Geoffrey Hardacre..
.............do you mean Bradley Hardacre ?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 11, 2017, 03:51:52 AM
.............do you mean Bradley Hardacre ?
that's him....sorry Sam Miguel was on offer at tesco today
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Toddacelli on June 11, 2017, 05:03:03 AM
I like Geri but him coming back to play a role next season only makes sense if we're signing the rest of the Spanish U21 side to play around him because that's the only time he looks class.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on June 11, 2017, 05:18:32 AM
Doesn't want to return according to Italian press:


http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/everton-fc/everton-fc-transfers/17185-deulofeu-doesnt-want-everton-fc-return/

Fuck off then
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 11, 2017, 11:57:52 AM
He's fucking shite. Nothing to do with man management. He wants to be a flair player that trots around the pitch without a defensive care in the world but he creates the square route of fuck all while doing it.
He's not found a manager yet he's overly keen on him. Let's see if Milan even want to sign him and let's see if he plays after they've spent a couple of hundred million on other players
Doesn't entertain coming back. Koeman doesn't want him but but he'll have absolutely no say anyway unless Barca sign him
My apologies i'm a tool when drunk...and sometimes sober..
Title: Gérard Deulofeu....
Post by: D_murph0278 on June 18, 2017, 05:59:17 PM
Anyone else think he's well worth keeping as a squad player now, especially with Sandro set to sign. Not every week, but definitely an option in Europe.
We could have Sandro playing inside left and Geri inside right with our main striker down the middle, with a midfield 3 of Gana, Schneiderlein, Klassen / Davies.
Title: Re: Gérard Deulofeu....
Post by: gizzblue on June 18, 2017, 06:02:50 PM
Id be keeping him ....plenty of games coming up ,we need depth .
Title: Re: Gérard Deulofeu....
Post by: ally2 on June 18, 2017, 06:04:29 PM
No. I used to be a big fan. He doesn't do enough off the ball. Luxury player.
Title: Re: Gérard Deulofeu....
Post by: Alanvideo on June 18, 2017, 06:07:16 PM
I'd be happy to see him get another chance .
Title: Re: Gérard Deulofeu....
Post by: Lxxx on June 18, 2017, 06:09:14 PM
No. I used to be a big fan. He doesn't do enough off the ball. Luxury player.

He doesn't do enough with the ball either. It's a bad habit to generally do nothing on a football pitch.
Title: Re: Gérard Deulofeu....
Post by: ncstate4jpc on June 18, 2017, 06:19:23 PM
I quite like him. We'd be mental not to try and hold on to him. Sadly I think he will be subject to the buy back clause or stay in Milan.

A lot of people seem to forget he's still young and has very high potential. Think he can be class on his day.
Title: Re: Gérard Deulofeu....
Post by: Cozzie on June 18, 2017, 06:25:35 PM
I think he would be worth bringing back because Bolasie is out untill Xmas time.

I can see us signing another tricky winger or so this window though.
Title: Re: Gérard Deulofeu....
Post by: BlueForYou on June 18, 2017, 06:33:04 PM
Yep - one more season
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 18, 2017, 06:53:07 PM
Yep - one more season

One more season more than likely means we indulge him until he walks away on a free transfer. We're not a charity.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 18, 2017, 06:55:30 PM
He doesn't do enough with the ball either. It's a bad habit to generally do nothing on a football pitch.

That's the problem he's a luxury player without much output.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 18, 2017, 06:57:11 PM
I quite like him. We'd be mental not to try and hold on to him. Sadly I think he will be subject to the buy back clause or stay in Milan.

A lot of people seem to forget he's still young and has very high potential. Think he can be class on his day.

When are these days? Give me the last 3 Everton games he was class in.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueForYou on June 18, 2017, 07:04:12 PM
You're right, we're not a charity - so we keep him for another season on condition that he signs a two year extension

If not, the same as Ross applies - adios
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 18, 2017, 07:20:07 PM
You're right, we're not a charity - so we keep him for another season on condition that he signs a two year extension

If not, the same as Ross applies - adios

There's absolutely no way koeman wants to keep him. None
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueForYou on June 18, 2017, 07:25:24 PM
Then it's simple - goodbye Del, 'nuff said

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blue1948 on June 18, 2017, 07:47:38 PM
Did anyone watch him yesterday ? Where does this "he is class" bit come in ,Ronald doesn't deal in unfulfilled potential it seems .
Nice kid but not up to the Prem demands .
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bogie on June 18, 2017, 07:52:05 PM
I'd be happy to see him get another chance .

so would I , at some other club I really do think there is a player in there but it will be 5 more years before he works out football is a team game
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: plumber on June 18, 2017, 08:09:32 PM
Yesterday's game has shown why he has no future here. He's 23, was probably the oldest player on the pitch but his decision making was like 15 year old kid's.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 18, 2017, 08:15:13 PM
Let's not get hung up on the fact he might go elsewhere and realise whatever potential people are convinced he has.

He's shown nothing more than a few dozen early crosses into the box two years ago. That's about the sum of his total contribution to Everton Football Club.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bluedylan on June 18, 2017, 08:45:14 PM
Stopped caring about whether Del stays or goes ages ago.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 18, 2017, 08:51:42 PM
Mid-table La Liga player at the very most.

Would love us to keep hold of him til the start of the season purely just to see if he can actually complete 90 minutes in the PL yet.

Then sell him anyway.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blueToffee on June 18, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
Best winger we have at the club.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 18, 2017, 09:27:08 PM
Best winger we have at the club.

Koeman begs to differ.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: hill135 on June 18, 2017, 09:28:31 PM
Him, Besic and Joel are the last remnants of the failed Martinez project who I will be glad to see the back now Walshy's got his fingers on Mosh's fat cheque book
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blueToffee on June 18, 2017, 09:29:11 PM
Koeman begs to differ.

That's very clear, to Deulofeu too I'm sure.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: sam of the south on June 18, 2017, 09:33:41 PM
Him, Besic and Joel are the last remnants of the failed Martinez project who I will be glad to see the back now Walshy's got his fingers on Mosh's fat cheque book

That sounds filthy, like Mosh is the Pimp Daddy, and Walsh is his Bottom Bitch 💃🏼
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on June 18, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
Said years ago he'd never be a top player and he'd end up at Villarreal or the like.

Definitely didn't change my mind at any time after that.

Nope, definitely not.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 18, 2017, 09:44:38 PM
Best winger we have at the club.

Based on what exactly. Does nothing defensively, creates almost nothing, scores hardly ever. Based on what is he remotely useful never mind the best winger at the club
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on June 18, 2017, 11:03:14 PM
Him, Besic and Joel are the last remnants of the failed Martinez project who I will be glad to see the back now Walshy's got his fingers on Mosh's fat cheque book

*Mori*

;)

Don't mind Besic at all given how cheap he was.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 18, 2017, 11:05:00 PM
*Mori*

;)

Don't mind Besic at all given how cheap he was.

£4m isn't cheap for a lad who has sat in the stands every week for three years.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: stirlingblue on June 18, 2017, 11:05:45 PM
Best winger we have at the club.

Have you forgotten about Bolasie?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on June 18, 2017, 11:22:53 PM
Based on what exactly. Does nothing defensively, creates almost nothing, scores hardly ever. Based on what is he remotely useful never mind the best winger at the club

Amazing how there's more Moyes players than Martinez players still at the club, despite Moyes going 4 years ago.

Still have Coleman, Barkley, Jags, Mirallas and Baines off the top of my head at the club from the Moyes era.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 18, 2017, 11:34:29 PM
I'd keep him
He is a genuine threat and creates chances
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueForYou on June 18, 2017, 11:58:01 PM
Ah - but on what premise?

New contract or see out this one?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 18, 2017, 11:58:48 PM
I'd keep him
He is a genuine threat and creates chances

I'd keep Kone. Scores goals. Granted that's not true but apparently the truth doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 19, 2017, 12:21:31 AM
He's a talented kid but not suitable for the English game in the end.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ross on June 19, 2017, 12:47:39 AM
Have people actually forgotten the season before last, his first back here, when he had 12 assists in 30 games and about half a dozen goals?

Hardly the sort of figures of an impotent footballer some are trying to make him out to be.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on June 19, 2017, 12:57:48 AM
*Mori*

;)

Don't mind Besic at all given how cheap he was.

I've still got a bit of hope for besic for some reason.

I think he plays a bit like veratti, but a really shit version, and I love veratti so I think I'm just like hoping he kicks on 10x when injury free.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on June 19, 2017, 01:07:10 AM
I'd have liked to have seen Besic have 2 seasons not under Martinez.

The areas that he lacks (positional discipline, making sure you're involved or reigning it in a bit) are the worst bits for a player under Martinez as he just didn't seem to be that restrictive on them.

He might well just be too wild or, more likely, he's just had 3 vital learning years missed out (2 to RM, 1 to injury) and he'll never develop as a PL midfielder, but he wasn't a complete disaster of an idea.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2017, 01:08:22 AM
There's just no point in selling Besic really.

He won't go for much money considering his injuries since he come to us and he's shown enough on the pitch and given his age that if he can stay fit then he'd be a much more valuable asset in the future.

Whereas someone like McCarthy cost us £13m, has become just as injury prone and would probably go for around the same amount as we bought him for if we sold him now. He's caused us problems with the international side and his price will only dwindle if the injury issues persist.

For me, we sell one of them. If they both continue with injury issues then it'll be McCarthy who costs us more in the long run.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 19, 2017, 01:10:11 AM
I'd keep Kone. Scores goals. Granted that's not true but apparently the truth doesn't matter.
So what's your actual point?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on June 19, 2017, 01:14:31 AM
Have people actually forgotten the season before last, his first back here, when he had 12 assists in 30 games and about half a dozen goals?

Hardly the sort of figures of an impotent footballer some are trying to make him out to be.

His peak ability is very high so when he gets it right, he can be very good, even if it's just moments in games.

But obviously he's not producing them enough.

Plus he seems to have a pattern of managers picking him (I presume due to the ability) and then gradually not as the season goes on.

I'd like to seem him kept with us but as with all players at that age, he's unlikely to improve his consistency if he's only playing every now and again.

But I'd say his biggest problem, like Barkley in a way, is his unreliability.

Lukaku has similar faults to these two in terms of overall performance consistency but if you give him chances, he will score goals.

You can't say that about the other two, either for goals or for more equivalent situations in the game.

Managers like guarantees with players (that's why a lot of seemingly poor players, usually labelled as "favourites" get lots of games ahead of more talented ones) so I can see why Deulofeu slowly stops getting picked with each manager.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 01:23:01 AM
Have people actually forgotten the season before last, his first back here, when he had 12 assists in 30 games and about half a dozen goals?

Hardly the sort of figures of an impotent footballer some are trying to make him out to be.

Useless ever since. How long does he get on the back of them numbers? His contract is in its last year now. Sign him up for another 5 because 2 years ago etc etc
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 01:24:47 AM
So what's your actual point?

My point is he doesn't create chances. He went over a year without an assist for us. It's nonsense on a par with me suggesting we keep Kone because he scores goals.
If someone says he's got talent we should stick with him because I think he'll develop and become a player that's a debatable point. His numbers aren't debatable. They are shit.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ross on June 19, 2017, 01:30:35 AM
His peak ability is very high so when he gets it right, he can be very good, even if it's just moments in games.

But obviously he's not producing them enough.

Plus he seems to have a pattern of managers picking him (I presume due to the ability) and then gradually not as the season goes on.

I'd like to seem him kept with us but as with all players at that age, he's unlikely to improve his consistency if he's only playing every now and again.

But I'd say his biggest problem, like Barkley in a way, is his unreliability.

Lukaku has similar faults to these two in terms of overall performance consistency but if you give him chances, he will score goals.

You can't say that about the other two, either for goals or for more equivalent situations in the game.

Managers like guarantees with players (that's why a lot of seemingly poor players, usually labelled as "favourites" get lots of games ahead of more talented ones) so I can see why Deulofeu slowly stops getting picked with each manager.

All still young players with time and ability on there side.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blue slug on June 19, 2017, 01:32:26 AM
Besic has done far less thean Del but gets no where near the negativity
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ross on June 19, 2017, 01:32:39 AM
Useless ever since. How long does he get on the back of them numbers? His contract is in its last year now. Sign him up for another 5 because 2 years ago etc etc

Given regular game time in Italy his figures were once again pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Robioto on June 19, 2017, 01:42:24 AM
Besic has done far less thean Del but gets no where near the negativity

Probably because he gives it his all when he does play. Del often just goes missing.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2017, 01:45:22 AM
Besic has done far less thean Del but gets no where near the negativity

Well that's why.

We see the poor points of Deulofeu's game frequently.

We simply don't see Besic.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blob on June 19, 2017, 01:51:01 AM
flatters to deceive. doubt we'd need him given his overall performances.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 02:16:03 AM
Given regular game time in Italy his figures were once again pretty impressive.

Milan don't appear to have much interest in keeping him. Also they are currently a much worse side than us
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Silas on June 19, 2017, 02:19:51 AM
He's cost us pennies if we keep him around as a squad player he might show his worth, if he moves on we will likely make a profit. It's all fine either way
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 19, 2017, 02:32:48 AM
Have people actually forgotten the season before last, his first back here, when he had 12 assists in 30 games and about half a dozen goals?

Hardly the sort of figures of an impotent footballer some are trying to make him out to be.

Might just be a coincidence but Geri and Ross' most productive seasons came at a time when the team resembled a joke Sunday League side and were languishing in mid table.
No responsibility required, just hang around up the park and have a play around when the ball gets to you.

When the team starts to resemble a proper footballing side with every man asked to do a job results improve but the luxury players stats fall off a cliff.

Like I say, probably nothing in it like.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 19, 2017, 02:50:01 AM
My point is he doesn't create chances. He went over a year without an assist for us. It's nonsense on a par with me suggesting we keep Kone because he scores goals.
If someone says he's got talent we should stick with him because I think he'll develop and become a player that's a debatable point. His numbers aren't debatable. They are shit.
I've proved that statement wrong before I don't wanna drag it out again

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ross on June 19, 2017, 03:01:49 AM
Might just be a coincidence but Geri and Ross' most productive seasons came at a time when the team resembled a joke Sunday League side and were languishing in mid table.
No responsibility required, just hang around up the park and have a play around when the ball gets to you.

When the team starts to resemble a proper footballing side with every man asked to do a job results improve but the luxury players stats fall off a cliff.

Like I say, probably nothing in it like.

Doesn't really explain his productive spell at Milan does it? Or his form for Spains national team.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: van der Meyde on June 19, 2017, 03:02:08 AM
Might just be a coincidence but Geri and Ross' most productive seasons came at a time when the team resembled a joke Sunday League side and were languishing in mid table.
No responsibility required, just hang around up the park and have a play around when the ball gets to you.

When the team starts to resemble a proper footballing side with every man asked to do a job results improve but the luxury players stats fall off a cliff.

Like I say, probably nothing in it like.
I don't think it's a coincidence at all. I think a large part of the reason Barkley notched 22 goals/assists in 2015/16 was because he was in and around the box quite a lot and had the freedom to stay up field a lot more. It was reminiscent of Lampard actually.

The biggest disappointment for me with Barkley over the past year is that he's been miles outside the box too often when we're attacking. I don't know if that's a fitness or a decision making thing, but it's something I'd definitely hope to improve/go back to.

Both players contributed a lot because we were very attack oriented and I think both struggled a little with fitness and decision making this season about when to drop back to defend, when to really push on and attack/get in the box. (The United away game sticks out as a real example of Barkley being miles outside the box on a couple of breaks either unable to get up there or in two minds about whether to hover back so that he could help defend.)
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 19, 2017, 03:51:23 AM
Doesn't really explain his productive spell at Milan does it? Or his form for Spains national team.
Tell me more about these productive spells.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 04:02:43 AM
If Milan don't try and buy him he still won't have played for a club that wanted to play him long term. Lots of talent but just not very good. A really shit Joe Cole. He's yet to find a manager who thinks much of him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ross on June 19, 2017, 04:59:48 AM
Tell me more about these productive spells.

Come on even my Nan can use google.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: boothill on June 19, 2017, 05:16:00 AM
i would keep him, if only for the reason that his mate who he was at ''la masia'' with now works in an eatery in calella and gives me massive extra helpings of food each time we visit, he seen me in my everton shirt and told me we were getting geri before i'd heard of him,he was really made up that he was going to such a ''historic'' club
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 19, 2017, 05:18:04 AM
Koeman rates him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: ally2 on June 19, 2017, 05:20:55 AM
Koeman rates him.

Huh?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ross on June 19, 2017, 05:28:05 AM
Huh?

Predictive tuxedo?.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Trowel on June 19, 2017, 06:33:45 AM
Bye Del.
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/876583387808641025
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on June 19, 2017, 06:45:32 AM
Awesome.

That's Sandro paid for plus change.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: ally2 on June 19, 2017, 07:04:44 AM
Did we make money on him then?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2017, 07:08:06 AM
Thought that might happen.

A year in the abyss for Deulofeu before being sold.

Edit: Hopefully not like, I wish him the best.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Brownie20 on June 19, 2017, 07:16:13 AM
Strange deal that really. Good luck to the lad.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: pjk on June 19, 2017, 07:30:06 AM
If it's true. It means he's got some time to establish himself, where his heart still lies in Barcelona. Good luck to him. :)
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: cantoffee on June 19, 2017, 09:01:18 AM
Peculiar that they would bring him back. Clearly no where near good enough to play in their first team.

Must be thinking they can sell him for a profit shortly.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2017, 09:02:46 AM
Peculiar that they would bring him back. Clearly no where near good enough to play in their first team.

Must be thinking they can sell him for a profit shortly.

Well they'll have to wait a year first, as per the agreement.

I guess they do have a small squad so he's another number for them, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: hamshank33 on June 19, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
Didn't Martinez say they had to play him in that year also, as part of the agreement?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Confucius on June 19, 2017, 12:58:59 PM
Also don't we get a sell on percentage as well
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Goaljira on June 19, 2017, 12:59:32 PM
Thanks for the fleeting memories, Geri.  We'll always have Arsenal away. :(
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 19, 2017, 01:29:41 PM
Didn't Martinez say they had to play him in that year also, as part of the agreement?

Wouldn't tale any notice of a single thing that ever came out of his mouth
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Polledreng on June 19, 2017, 01:40:35 PM
Thanks for the fleeting memories, Geri.  We'll always have Arsenal away. :(
great goal Got kissed by 2 drunken midfifty guys.... glad he didn't score more  ;)
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Alanvideo on June 19, 2017, 02:22:03 PM
Bye Del.
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/876583387808641025
.................from The Times...........
Barcelona are to activate their buyback clause for Gerard Deulofeu which will trigger a payment of about £10.5 million to Everton for the winger. The fee is double the amount that the Merseyside club paid in a deal two years ago for the player, who has failed to impress his manager, Ronald Koeman.

Deulofeu spent the second half of last season on loan at AC Milan where he scored four goals in 17 appearances to remind Barcelona of his usefulness. The Spanish club failed to take up a £6.3 million option to buy him back 12 months ago
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 19, 2017, 02:58:12 PM
 lolol

they can probably picture the likes of West Ham or Newcastle shelling out £25m+ on him next summer....
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on June 19, 2017, 03:28:44 PM
Think it's a political decision. There's been a lot of fuss about losing their identity and not using the youth system for their squad as they did a few years ago (probably missing the point that Pedro, Busquets etc were top class players).
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on June 19, 2017, 03:52:47 PM
Think it's a political decision. There's been a lot of fuss about losing their identity and not using the youth system for their squad as they did a few years ago (probably missing the point that Pedro, Busquets etc were top class players).

them reportedly losing a couple of 'gems' this summer has probably hastened this prodigal son routine tbh.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 19, 2017, 03:57:42 PM
Didn't Martinez say they had to play him in that year also, as part of the agreement?

I don't think any contract would stipulate they must be picked. They can probably do whatever they like with him for a year bar sell him on again at profit. 
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 19, 2017, 04:00:45 PM
Makes you wonder why he would accept it, he probably knows that he won't be picked by Barca, then again he's unlikely to be picked by us either.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 19, 2017, 04:04:31 PM
Makes you wonder why he would accept it, he probably knows that he won't be picked by Barca, then again he's unlikely to be picked by us either.

In the absence of any real interest by anyone Barcelona is as good a city to be sat on your arse as any.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: hamshank33 on June 19, 2017, 04:07:32 PM
I don't think any contract would stipulate they must be picked. They can probably do whatever they like with him for a year bar sell him on again at profit. 
I'm not saying all season,but say he tears the Prem a new one in his first or second season,he still not good enough for them but they buy him back and sell him on ( Chelsea style)in just twelve months.I think it was alluded to that is why they had to play him a certain amount. I thought when Martinez said it, OK they have covered that angle,Good. However it wouldn't have been the first load of Bull to come out of him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Alanvideo on June 19, 2017, 04:15:45 PM
Article from Marca,16th April this year.
http://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2017/04/16/58f386e6468aebf10e8b4578.html
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Polledreng on June 19, 2017, 04:18:49 PM
Makes you wonder why he would accept it, he probably knows that he won't be picked by Barca, then again he's unlikely to be picked by us either.
or there is a loophole that if he wants to leave he can....... Never know with the Old Everton
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 19, 2017, 04:24:47 PM
or there is a loophole that if he wants to leave he can....... Never know with the Old Everton

I suppose if his family is over there then it means he will at least spend 12 months with them, with a slim chance of getting in the Barca team, rather than 12 months over here with a slim chance of getting in our team.

I'm still kind of gutted it's not worked out for him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: ally2 on June 19, 2017, 04:49:52 PM
Yeah it's a shame. He can be so good but he is so flaky. Just wish he could get super fit and strong then he'd be a different player.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: toffee_scot on June 19, 2017, 05:14:55 PM
It's a shame that it hasn't really worked out great for Deulofeu especially since Koeman has been the manager.

I'm surprised that Barca are now deciding to trigger the buy-back clause but we all knew back when Deulofeu was signed that there were strings attached and even if he had turned out to be one of the best wingers in the PL that Barcelona would sooner or later have exercised their right to bring him back.

Of course Deulofeu would still have to agree to a move but I doubt he would fancy working again under Koeman when a club like Barcelona are reaching out to him again.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: di_guyo on June 19, 2017, 05:30:03 PM
I think he will go on to have a good career. He will not make the grade at Barca, will go to a midtable side, flourish and then end up back at Barca again when he's in his prime.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 19, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
Mixed feelings.

Sad that he's leaving because there's always an element of 'what if' with players of particular levels of footballing talent.

But then, looking at the bigger picture, if he's replaced by someone who can have a bigger net contribution then that's a good thing.

For me he leaves with some good memories. Those early crosses for Lukaku were sublime and ridiculous in equal measures.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on June 19, 2017, 07:31:06 PM
Apparently he's replacing Messi who will be moving back into midfield.

Incredible that a player with a mediocre resume as his will be the one to replace the world's best player in his position.

Well, good luck to him, and it will be interesting to see how he makes out.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on June 19, 2017, 07:48:40 PM
Apparently he's replacing Messi who will be moving back into midfield.

Incredible that a player with a mediocre resume as his will be the one to replace the world's best player in his position.

Well, good luck to him, and it will be interesting to see how he makes out.

That will last about 4 minutes.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 19, 2017, 08:14:11 PM
Hey, we just need to market it right.  The Koeman project is so shit hot that Barca recalled a guy that we loaned out because he couldn't even make the squad, let alone the XI.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: di_guyo on June 19, 2017, 08:55:36 PM
Hey, we just need to market it right.  The Koeman project is so shit hot that Barca recalled a guy that we loaned out because he couldn't even make the squad, let alone the XI.

Or that Koeman's man management and unwillingness to give the lad a go forced him out.

I'm gonna support Koeman on this occasion, but I think Geri has a promising future and I do think we may regret this in a few years. I'd be surprised if Koeman is here then as well. Koeman has done alright so far, but I'm still not fully sold, so I'm still a bit nervous about all of this.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 19, 2017, 09:01:09 PM
Or that Koeman's man management and unwillingness to give the lad a go forced him out.

Emery criticised him, Koeman doesn't fancy him and even the idiot Martinez dropped him for months.

I doubt we'll regret anything as he's not improved one jot since his initial loan spell years ago and I suspect this will continue.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 19, 2017, 09:06:29 PM
Or that Koeman's man management and unwillingness to give the lad a go forced him out.

I'm gonna support Koeman on this occasion, but I think Geri has a promising future and I do think we may regret this in a few years. I'd be surprised if Koeman is here then as well. Koeman has done alright so far, but I'm still not fully sold, so I'm still a bit nervous about all of this.

He did give him a go. He played in pre season and started the season in the team. His finishing was poor when played up front and while his team-mates were getting progressively fitter he was still unable to finish a game. He was competing with Bolasie, Barkley and Mirallas for a place in the team and couldn't dislodge them even when Bolasie got injured.
Koeman's no idiot, if he thought he could do a job and could be relied upon he'd have played him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 09:53:43 PM
Or that Koeman's man management and unwillingness to give the lad a go forced him out.

I'm gonna support Koeman on this occasion, but I think Geri has a promising future and I do think we may regret this in a few years. I'd be surprised if Koeman is here then as well. Koeman has done alright so far, but I'm still not fully sold, so I'm still a bit nervous about all of this.

He's yet to find a manager who rates him. Can everyone be wrong?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: di_guyo on June 19, 2017, 09:58:58 PM
He's yet to find a manager who rates him. Can everyone be wrong?

Really? Barca Manager wants him back, Spain u-21 manager lovesh im and made hi mcaptain. AC Milan want him back.

Noone rates him though? Don't think so.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 10:00:50 PM
Really? Barca Manager wants him back, Spain u-21 manager lovesh im and made hi mcaptain. AC Milan want him back.

Noone rates him though? Don't think so.

There's the square route of fuck all chance he'll make any sort of career at Barcelona, Milan don't want him. I'll give you Spain u21s. 23 years old and that's his level playing youth football.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: di_guyo on June 19, 2017, 10:04:30 PM
There's the square route of fuck all chance he'll make any sort of career at Barcelona, Milan don't want him. I'll give you Spain u21s. 23 years old and that's his level playing youth football.

Milan have said several times that they wanted him to stay.

I agree he won't do much at Barca, but I think he will be a decent player in a few years time. He's considerably more talented than most in our team, if not all of them...he's just yet to fulfill it. Maybe he never will, but I'd still have him over Mirallas, Lennon, DCL, Lookman. Willing to bet that even if he doesn't kick on fully, he'll end up being a very decent player.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 19, 2017, 10:16:51 PM
Really? Barca Manager wants him back, Spain u-21 manager lovesh im and made hi mcaptain. AC Milan want him back.

The Barcelona manager has never previously worked with him. He is absolutely nowhere near the level that that club demands.

The lad is 23 and playing for the 21s, that in itself says something.

AC Milan are a sorry shadow of their famous old selves and probably on par with a mid table PL club.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: di_guyo on June 19, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
The Barcelona manager has never previously worked with him. He is absolutely nowhere near the level that that club demands.

The lad is 23 and playing for the 21s, that in itself says something.

AC Milan are a sorry shadow of their famous old selves.

Nah, sorry, but being 23 in the U21s doesn't mean a lot at all...especially not Spain. Pickford is 23 as well, is he shite? Just because he hasn't broke into a star studded Spain team on the regular doesn't mean he's not that good...don't accept that.

AC Milan aren't amazing, granted. They're still a decent side though, we're not talking about West Brom or Watford here...we're talking about a rich club with an fabulous history, stadium and fan base. So I don't really see what the point is here? They've got players there we'd happily take...not like they're a championship outfit.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 19, 2017, 10:24:28 PM
Milan have said several times that they wanted him to stay.

I agree he won't do much at Barca, but I think he will be a decent player in a few years time. He's considerably more talented than most in our team, if not all of them...he's just yet to fulfill it. Maybe he never will, but I'd still have him over Mirallas, Lennon, DCL, Lookman. Willing to bet that even if he doesn't kick on fully, he'll end up being a very decent player.

If Milan really wanted him they'd have signed him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: toffee_scot on June 19, 2017, 10:32:19 PM
I'm gonna support Koeman on this occasion, but I think Geri has a promising future and I do think we may regret this in a few years. I'd be surprised if Koeman is here then as well. Koeman has done alright so far, but I'm still not fully sold, so I'm still a bit nervous about all of this.

I wouldn't be too disheartened about the Deulofeu transfer considering that he was sold to us with a buyback clause by the same elite club who now want him back. He was practically a Barcelona loan signing all along and even if Koeman had liked him and Deulofeu had a great season at Everton, Barcelona would have likely exercised their first refusal right to bring him back. 

This second season for Koeman will indeed be a big one especially with the amount of money we will be spending. Now that he'll be working more with players of his own choosing rather than players he's inherited then we might see us push further.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: irishtoffee on June 19, 2017, 10:35:12 PM
If Milan really wanted him they'd have signed him.
They couldn't as Barca had first option
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on June 19, 2017, 10:38:07 PM
Him playing for the under 21s means fuck all.

Fucking cranks
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 10:46:06 PM
Milan have said several times that they wanted him to stay.

I agree he won't do much at Barca, but I think he will be a decent player in a few years time. He's considerably more talented than most in our team, if not all of them...he's just yet to fulfill it. Maybe he never will, but I'd still have him over Mirallas, Lennon, DCL, Lookman. Willing to bet that even if he doesn't kick on fully, he'll end up being a very decent player.

He's got loads of talent but on match day he's useless. Some of his performances for us were inept. He's our taarabt or an even shitter Joe Cole. He's got everything but the ability to put it together on a match day. His career is on the drift. Failed at Barca failed at Everton failed at Sevilla. He's almost certainly gonna fail at Barca again now. He'll be 24-25 looking for a new club having never been anywhere he was truly valued. Don't rate him and this is a horrible move for him
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 10:48:43 PM
Him playing for the under 21s means fuck all.

Fucking cranks

It means something when it's the only place he's had any sustained success
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: hill135 on June 19, 2017, 10:56:07 PM
He's crap.

He was crap at Milan too and they have no interest in signing him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on June 19, 2017, 10:56:07 PM
It means something when it's the only place he's had any sustained success

Well he was successful at AC Milan and I wouldn't call his spell here a failure.

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 10:59:10 PM
Well he was successful at AC Milan and I wouldn't call his spell here a failure.



I think he did okay at a side quite significantly worse than ourselves. Certainly not a failure but nothing special either. I've genuinely not seen anything that suggested Milan wanted him long term. I could have just missed it though
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 19, 2017, 11:06:43 PM
AC Milan aren't amazing, granted. They're still a decent side though, we're not talking about West Brom or Watford here...we're talking about a rich club with an fabulous history, stadium and fan base. So I don't really see what the point is here? They've got players there we'd happily take...not like they're a championship outfit.

The point is you say that they 'want' him, it's some kind of reason for keeping him when they are currently a poor team.

History, stadium (which they never ever fill anyway) etc has nothing to do with it in the slightest.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Confucius on June 20, 2017, 12:22:36 AM
Koeman loves him. he is selling him to Barca so when he takes over there in 2021 he won' have to spend huge money on him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: D15TIN on June 20, 2017, 04:07:18 AM
Gutted he seems to be leaving, their is a quality player there, but probably not cut out for the premier league- one of the best crosses of the ball ive seen at Everton, exciting player to watch.

Seems to be something up with his attitude because a lot of big clubs/managers dont seem to trust him, Sevilla, Everton, Barca, Milan all not really fancied him
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on June 20, 2017, 04:16:19 AM
Also ac Milan are on the up and with kessie and silva they're a match for us on paper like.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheTone on June 20, 2017, 04:16:41 AM
couple of good crosses against West Brom away, a boss equaliser at the emirates and a game changing display against some team in the league cup is all i can remember, I'm out
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on June 20, 2017, 04:19:41 AM
couple of good crosses against West Brom away, a boss equaliser at the emirates and a game changing display against some team in the league cup is all i can remember, I'm out

The back to back defence splitting through balls were superb.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 20, 2017, 04:32:02 AM
couple of good crosses against West Brom away, a boss equaliser at the emirates and a game changing display against some team in the league cup is all i can remember, I'm out

1 of the most wasteful performances I've ever seen against Norwich followed by an ineptitude I'd be embarrassed by when he came on as sub against Bournemouth. The Bournemouth performance might be the worst individual effort I've seen for a long while
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: ally2 on June 20, 2017, 04:33:16 AM
I remember him tearing it up against Middlesborough in the cup.  We still lost though as I remember
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bluestevie on June 20, 2017, 04:38:12 AM
I remember him tearing it up against Middlesborough in the cup.  We still lost though as I remember

Won 2-0, Del and Rom scored
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 20, 2017, 05:28:52 AM
I often wonder if any manager he's played for has rated him. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 20, 2017, 06:03:10 AM
I often wonder if any manager he's played for has rated him. Thoughts?

Frustrated them all for sure.  He's a mystery.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bornblue88 on June 20, 2017, 10:30:17 PM
Are Barca able to sell him on in this transfer window? I can't remember what the rules are
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 20, 2017, 10:33:30 PM
Are Barca able to sell him on in this transfer window? I can't remember what the rules are

Don't worry yourself about it.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on June 20, 2017, 10:40:13 PM
Are Barca able to sell him on in this transfer window? I can't remember what the rules are

No.

It was in the deal when we signed him permanently that they couldn't excercise the buy back clause and then sell him immediately.

Think it's a year that they have to wait.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 20, 2017, 11:02:59 PM
If they've any sense they'll sell him on now and give us half
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Mac934 on June 20, 2017, 11:25:30 PM
There's talent in there, he just can't be arsed to show it. None of the managers he's played for have kept him in the team for too long, says something about the kid. If he hasn't showed it by now at 23 I doubt he ever will. Good riddance.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 20, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
Let's be honest, we've no idea about the details whatsoever.

There could well be a clause stating that the no-sell-on-clause is invalid if he doesn't play X games for us (or something similar).

If Everton don't care that Barca intend to sell him (and why the fuck would we really?) then both parties could just agree to cancel it.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 20, 2017, 11:56:16 PM
Let's be honest, we've no idea about the details whatsoever.

There could well be a clause stating that the no-sell-on-clause is invalid if he doesn't play X games for us (or something similar).

If Everton don't care that Barca intend to sell him (and why the fuck would we really?) then both parties could just agree to cancel it.

We'd care because it could be us selling him and taking that profit. I'd assume we'd happily take a cut though. Everyone's happy
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 20, 2017, 11:58:24 PM
We'd care because it could be us selling him and taking that profit. I'd assume we'd happily take a cut though. Everyone's happy

Really though, how much could they sell him for?

£15m? £20m very tops?

Are we that arsed about 50% on any profit above £10.5m?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 21, 2017, 12:19:48 AM
Really though, how much could they sell him for?

£15m? £20m very tops?

Are we that arsed about 50% on any profit above £10.5m?

Beat me to it
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 21, 2017, 12:40:21 AM
Really though, how much could they sell him for?

£15m? £20m very tops?

Are we that arsed about 50% on any profit above £10.5m?

I'd be happy to take that hit just to get into Barca's good books to be honest.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: hannu on June 21, 2017, 12:41:05 AM
i will be gutted

been a fan of Dels since he was 14

we had 4 of europs most promising young players in rom stones del and ross, stones went last year and looks like the other 3 will be gone this window
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 21, 2017, 12:46:04 AM
i will be gutted

been a fan of Dels since he was 14

we had 4 of europs most promising young players in rom stones del and ross, stones went last year and looks like the other 3 will be gone this window

Only 1 really lived up to the hype though.

Although I'm probably more gutted about Del leaving than any of the others, he seemed to genuinely love the club and the fans.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Simon Paul on June 21, 2017, 12:58:09 AM
Deulofeu was never the finished article people wanted him to be and needed to be handled better by both his Everton managers

think he found his place in Milan and hope he goes back there and smashes it, because he will never get a chance at Everton.

Leicester in the cup last season, he came on at half time when we were absolute garbage.  30 seconds into the second half some woman giving him a barrage of abuse when he hadn't even touched the ball.  "What the fuck have we brought you on for Geri, you're shit" she shouted, almost as if she didn't realise she was asking the wrong person about the substitution.

30 more seconds pass and he whips in the type of cross that two seasons ago Rom was nodding into the far corner for fun, but last season wasn't used to getting them so didn't anticipate it, but it scared Leicester's defence.  "That's why we've fucking brought him on you tit" screamed my wife.  She always makes me so proud at the match!

Given more time - both on the pitch and working on his fitness - Geri could have made it here and been something really special.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on June 21, 2017, 12:58:37 AM
Don't know how many times it has to be stated barca can't just buy him and sell him straight away like.

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 21, 2017, 01:03:29 AM
Don't know how many times it has to be stated barca can't just buy him and sell him straight away like.



Maybe there's a buyout clause we can use to start a bidding war as well?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 21, 2017, 01:21:42 AM
Why are we obsessing about the contract details of a player we're glad to see the back of? Some fans need to remember they're just a fan not a board member.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 21, 2017, 01:36:33 AM
Given more time - both on the pitch and working on his fitness

How much longer does he need to get fit if he's still not managed it in all this time?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2017, 01:41:48 AM
Deulofeu was never the finished article people wanted him to be and needed to be handled better by both his Everton managers

think he found his place in Milan and hope he goes back there and smashes it, because he will never get a chance at Everton.

Leicester in the cup last season, he came on at half time when we were absolute garbage.  30 seconds into the second half some woman giving him a barrage of abuse when he hadn't even touched the ball.  "What the fuck have we brought you on for Geri, you're shit" she shouted, almost as if she didn't realise she was asking the wrong person about the substitution.

30 more seconds pass and he whips in the type of cross that two seasons ago Rom was nodding into the far corner for fun, but last season wasn't used to getting them so didn't anticipate it, but it scared Leicester's defence.  "That's why we've fucking brought him on you tit" screamed my wife.  She always makes me so proud at the match!

Given more time - both on the pitch and working on his fitness - Geri could have made it here and been something really special.

More time working on his fitness? He's not back from a long term injury or just a kid. If he's not fit enough to play professional football then he should be ashamed. There is no more time. He doesn't want to get fit, he doesn't want to do the defensive work and his decision making and so his output are poor.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Simon Paul on June 21, 2017, 02:20:09 AM
More time working on his fitness? He's not back from a long term injury or just a kid. If he's not fit enough to play professional football then he should be ashamed. There is no more time. He doesn't want to get fit, he doesn't want to do the defensive work and his decision making and so his output are poor.

two seasons of playing for a manager who doesn't want you to defend and - bizarrely for a physio - wasn't arsed about player fitness

with one season in between playing for a manager who didn't really like him

and then half a season with a manager who wasn't interested in you, before then going out on loan and finding a manager who liked you, so you play well and work on your fitness

I'm not saying he needs it now, I'm saying he needed it at Everton.  He became demotivated.  it's a shame.  he's boss.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2017, 02:29:10 AM
two seasons of playing for a manager who doesn't want you to defend and - bizarrely for a physio - wasn't arsed about player fitness

with one season in between playing for a manager who didn't really like him

and then half a season with a manager who wasn't interested in you, before then going out on loan and finding a manager who liked you, so you play well and work on your fitness

I'm not saying he needs it now, I'm saying he needed it at Everton.  He became demotivated.  it's a shame.  he's boss.

Totally disagree. Talented but really not very good at putting it together for me. I don't think he'll ever make a regular contribution to a side better than us.
As for the fitness I think it's indefensible. Maybe when Martinez was here but everyone else improved under koeman. Lukaku and barkley made more of an effort defensively under koeman. I'd suggest koeman doesn't like him because he doesn't take instruction, he's not fit and his output isn't close to good enough to make up for that. He's had a lot of good managers look at him and move him on. He's now gonna waste a year at Barcelona. If he fails in his next move he'll be 25-26 and having never found a club that could rely on him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: ally2 on June 21, 2017, 02:31:09 AM
Three and a half years unfit and it's someone else's fault?  No way
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Alfie Noakes on June 21, 2017, 03:20:06 AM
He's fit enough to get an assist in the 65th minute with the U21's.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Simon Paul on June 21, 2017, 03:29:41 AM
He's fit enough to get an assist in the 65th minute with the U21's.

shit him though

I mean, who on here HASN'T provided an assist at Under 21 European Championship level?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2017, 03:36:55 AM
shit him though

I mean, who on here HASN'T provided an assist at Under 21 European Championship level?

Defintely should forget the year without a goal or an assist now he's contributed an assist to Spain's u21 team. Think koeman will be ringing him up asking him to stay now.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Simon Paul on June 21, 2017, 03:43:05 AM
Defintely should forget the year without a goal or an assist now he's contributed an assist to Spain's u21 team. Think koeman will be ringing him up asking him to stay now.

and should obviously forget about the year before that when he was part of the best strike partnership in Europe for a good while...

people acting like he's fluked his way into a career as a professional footballer when anyone even barely suggests there's a player in there
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Alfie Noakes on June 21, 2017, 03:48:04 AM
Defintely should forget the year without a goal or an assist now he's contributed an assist to Spain's u21 team. Think koeman will be ringing him up asking him to stay now.

Won't answer, he'll be under the shower.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 21, 2017, 03:50:27 AM
and should obviously forget about the year before that when he was part of the best strike partnership in Europe for a good while...

people acting like he's fluked his way into a career as a professional footballer when anyone even barely suggests there's a player in there


and should obviously forget about the year before that when he was part of the best strike partnership in Europe for a good while...

people acting like he's fluked his way into a career as a professional footballer when anyone even barely suggests there's a player in there


His 3 years of fitness issues are someone else's fault. No doubt he's a reasonable football. He's just yet to find his level. He's been way below standard required at Barca, Sevilla and Everton. Milan don't want him. There's a pattern. Lazy, won't defend and he isn't productive.

When was he part of the best strike partnership in Europe. MSN. Was he Messi Suarez or Neymar. The suggest he was part of the best strike partnership in Europe is utterly ridiculous. No one is saying he shouldn't be a professional. The disbelieve comes with daft claims like this. He'll find his level. It will be a hell of a lot lower than we are though.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 21, 2017, 03:53:25 AM
Best striking partnership in Europe lolol lolol lolol

Let's calm down a bit. He laid a few crosses on for Lukaku and then when teams got wise he got fucked off.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 21, 2017, 03:55:24 AM
Del needs a tony Hibbert behind him who does all his defensive work at the expense of any attacking prowess.

I just don't think this works as a tactic in the modern game (as it currently stands).

Looking at tonight's game for example, Spain were caught out a lot on the right hand side with Belerin high up the pitch and Del not in a covering position.

I love Del and think he has the x-factor lacking in the majority of footballers however his failings take too much away from a key attribute in the modern game which is the flying fullback.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Confucius on June 21, 2017, 03:58:04 AM
Del needs a tony Hibbert behind him who does all his defensive work at the expense of any attacking prowess.

I just don't think this works as a tactic in the modern game (as it currently stands).

Looking at tonight's game for example, Spain were caught out a lot on the right hand side with Belerin high up the pitch and Del not in a covering position.

I love Del and think he has the x-factor lacking in the majority of footballers however his failings take too much away from a key attribute in the modern game which is the flying fullback.

Del was mainly on the left 1st half. he switches and moves around all over the place.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bogie on June 21, 2017, 04:00:27 AM
what game were you watching I would bet money he was not on the left hand side more then 1 min in that 1st half and if he was there it was just over and no more
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shropshire Blue on June 21, 2017, 04:12:52 AM
I love Del and think he has the x-factor lacking in the majority of footballers however his failings take too much away from a key attribute in the modern game which is the flying fullback.
He's a perfect example of just how good you have to be in all areas of fitness, skill, attitude and mental strength to make it at the very top. Just one weakness and you get found out at this level and can't jump from very good to excellent.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on June 21, 2017, 04:12:54 AM
Del was mainly on the left 1st half. he switches and moves around all over the place.

Think you had the wrong glasses on doc.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Confucius on June 21, 2017, 04:13:45 AM
Think you had the wrong glasses on doc.

I watched the whole first half. he had a curling shot from there and got the ball there as often as he did in the right.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bogie on June 21, 2017, 04:15:01 AM
I watched the whole first half. he had a curling shot from there and got the ball there as often as he did in the right.

when your in a hole stop digging
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 21, 2017, 05:05:46 AM
When football stops being a team game and it changes to every man for himself he might make a career out of it. He did alright for a while in the Martinez playground football experiment but once it was time to try and focus on results again he got shown up. Again.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: sixymack on June 21, 2017, 07:03:12 AM
Don't understand the negativity around Del Boy.  I would love to see him return to our squad for the new season.

I think he could really do a job.  He will have a hardworking squad behind him, and he will bring something different to the mix.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bornblue88 on June 21, 2017, 08:11:34 PM
If they can't sell him straight away then this transfer makes no sense
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: smellybum on June 21, 2017, 08:20:19 PM
Think we should keep him. We need a squad. Plenty of games and he may just be a super sub. Bring him on with 20 to go to go at a tired defence.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on June 24, 2017, 12:14:35 AM
Seeing as it looks as if Barca have tried to take up the option of resigning Del, and he looks to be refusing it, I wonder what happens if another club comes in and offers say 20 million for him and he wants to join them? Now Salah is on his way to the shite, there's a rumour that Roma are interested in Del.

I wonder if we take the 12 Barca would pay to take him back and then we split the rest with them on anything over and above the 12?

Guess this eventuality was never expected that he wouldn't want to return to them.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: hannu on June 24, 2017, 12:17:13 AM
Seeing as it looks as if Barca have tried to take up the option of resigning Del, and he looks to be refusing it, I wonder what happens if another club comes in and offers say 20 million for him and he wants to join them? Now Salah is on his way to the shite, there's a rumour that Roma are interested in Del.

I wonder if we take the 12 Barca would pay to take him back and then we split the rest with them on anything over and above the 12?

Guess this eventuality was never expected that he wouldn't want to return to them.

its our money if we sell him, the buy back is just a first option to buy the player, if he does not want to go to barca they havent got a leg to stand on
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: hannu on June 24, 2017, 12:20:24 AM
unless they have a sell on fee percentage
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Major Clanger on June 24, 2017, 12:23:37 AM
Seeing as it looks as if Barca have tried to take up the option of resigning Del, and he looks to be refusing it, I wonder what happens if another club comes in and offers say 20 million for him and he wants to join them? Now Salah is on his way to the shite, there's a rumour that Roma are interested in Del.

I wonder if we take the 12 Barca would pay to take him back and then we split the rest with them on anything over and above the 12?

Guess this eventuality was never expected that he wouldn't want to return to them.

Exactly, the option is probably only binding us, not the player.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 24, 2017, 12:59:46 AM
Seeing as it looks as if Barca have tried to take up the option of resigning Del, and he looks to be refusing it, I wonder what happens if another club comes in and offers say 20 million for him and he wants to join them? Now Salah is on his way to the shite, there's a rumour that Roma are interested in Del.

I wonder if we take the 12 Barca would pay to take him back and then we split the rest with them on anything over and above the 12?

Guess this eventuality was never expected that he wouldn't want to return to them.

We keep the lot. Unless he signs for Barcelona he's ours to sell
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Toddacelli on June 24, 2017, 01:18:07 AM
Deulofeu was never the finished article people wanted him to be and needed to be handled better by both his Everton managers

think he found his place in Milan and hope he goes back there and smashes it, because he will never get a chance at Everton.

Leicester in the cup last season, he came on at half time when we were absolute garbage.  30 seconds into the second half some woman giving him a barrage of abuse when he hadn't even touched the ball.  "What the fuck have we brought you on for Geri, you're shit" she shouted, almost as if she didn't realise she was asking the wrong person about the substitution.

30 more seconds pass and he whips in the type of cross that two seasons ago Rom was nodding into the far corner for fun, but last season wasn't used to getting them so didn't anticipate it, but it scared Leicester's defence.  "That's why we've fucking brought him on you tit" screamed my wife.  She always makes me so proud at the match!

Given more time - both on the pitch and working on his fitness - Geri could have made it here and been something really special.

Always thought he needed a poacher and early doors - Rom looked like he would be that poacher.

Hasn't he got a couple of assists with Sandro - is he that type of player? A fox in the box?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: plowman2 on June 26, 2017, 08:55:56 PM
Just heard on a Spanish national radio station (Cadena Ser) that Barcelona are buying him back for 12m euros. Done by Friday they seem to think.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 26, 2017, 09:23:15 PM
Just heard on a Spanish national radio station (Cadena Ser) that Barcelona are buying him back for 12m euros. Done by Friday they seem to think.

Silly boy. He's not managed a full season as a first team player yet and he's about to piss away another year
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 26, 2017, 09:25:03 PM
Silly boy. He's not managed a full season as a first team player yet and he's about to piss away another year

He'll be a very wealthy boy though.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 26, 2017, 09:32:55 PM
What would be more silly, piss away a year at Everton or piss away a year in the sun surrounded by family and friends in his home town?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lincs Toffee on June 26, 2017, 09:38:33 PM
What would be more silly, piss away a year at Everton or piss away a year in the sun surrounded by family and friends in his home town?

This .... Lets face it, he aint going to get much game time by the time we have finished shopping, such a waste though, he has shitloads of flare and no work rate, otherwise he would be in Koeman's plans.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 26, 2017, 09:54:12 PM
He'll be a very wealthy boy though.

Very true but that's a given wherever he goes. He needs to find himself a club where he'll play every week now. Work his way back up rather than spend another year not really in a managers plans
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 26, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
What would be more silly, piss away a year at Everton or piss away a year in the sun surrounded by family and friends in his home town?

They aren't his only 2 options.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 26, 2017, 09:55:16 PM
They aren't his only 2 options.

Won't be far off.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 26, 2017, 10:07:29 PM
Silly boy. He's not managed a full season as a first team player yet and he's about to piss away another year
Don't think he's got a say in it tbf.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Outworlder47 on June 26, 2017, 11:32:02 PM
Don't think he's got a say in it tbf.

Sure he does. Just because Barcelona exercise their buyback clause (completely within their rights to do so), Deulofeu would still have to agree personal terms. If he doesn't want to go, he could simply refuse to sign a contract, and he would remain our player. Similarly, if he wants to go elsewhere, Everton accept their bid and he negotiates terms.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 27, 2017, 12:24:34 AM
Don't think he's got a say in it tbf.

Yeah he has. They've apparently been waiting for his answer. He's still got to agree to go and agree to the contract they are offering him. He'd be better off playing for a bottom half team and getting a good season under his belt. He needs to be important for a team now even if it's a lesser 1
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 27, 2017, 12:49:48 AM
I'll be quite gutted when he goes, he really bought in to what our clubs about.

People giving him far too much stick when he was played out of position as a striker for most of his time under Koeman.

I can quite happily lay the blame on most of the players that have failed under Koeman...Barkley, McCarthy, Cleverley etc.
I really think Koeman needs to take the blame on this one though, very poorly managed.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 27, 2017, 01:06:45 AM
I'll be quite gutted when he goes, he really bought in to what our clubs about.

People giving him far too much stick when he was played out of position as a striker for most of his time under Koeman.

I can quite happily lay the blame on most of the players that have failed under Koeman...Barkley, McCarthy, Cleverley etc.
I really think Koeman needs to take the blame on this one though, very poorly managed.

Think you want to give him a free pass because he's got a nice smile and he's talented

Truth is he's unmanageable. He won't get fit, he won't do his share of the defensive work. To get away with that his numbers would have to be unbelievable and he's numbers are a bit shite too.
He's yet to find a manager who can manage him. Really don't know how you can blame koeman
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Fynci on June 27, 2017, 01:11:13 AM
As skilful as he may be, Geri's best bit was when he said "mate" on a video.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on June 27, 2017, 01:16:38 AM
I'll be quite gutted when he goes, he really bought in to what our clubs about.

People giving him far too much stick when he was played out of position as a striker for most of his time under Koeman.

I can quite happily lay the blame on most of the players that have failed under Koeman...Barkley, McCarthy, Cleverley etc.
I really think Koeman needs to take the blame on this one though, very poorly managed.

He only played the Spurs game and the first 35 mins of West Brom as a striker didn't he?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 27, 2017, 01:41:48 AM
I've got lads in their early 20's who play with me on a Saturday who hold down full time jobs, exercise of an evening and bomb up and down the wing for a full 90 minutes every weekend who are fitter than him. He's got all the talent but none of the desire.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 27, 2017, 01:43:42 AM
He only played the Spurs game and the first 35 mins of West Brom as a striker didn't he?

Maybe it wasn't as long as I thought.

Wasn't he playing the whole of pre season up front though, not ideal preparation.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 27, 2017, 03:01:32 AM
As skilful as he may be, Geri's best bit was when he said "mate" on a video.

Now come on be fair there have been highlights...

































1 goal against Arsenal about 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Glory on June 27, 2017, 05:54:22 AM
I've got lads in their early 20's who play with me on a Saturday who hold down full time jobs, exercise of an evening and bomb up and down the wing for a full 90 minutes every weekend who are fitter than him. He's got all the talent but none of the desire.
lolol You're having a laugh right?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Juanito on June 27, 2017, 01:51:09 PM
I've got lads in their early 20's who play with me on a Saturday who hold down full time jobs, exercise of an evening and bomb up and down the wing for a full 90 minutes every weekend who are fitter than him. He's got all the talent but none of the desire.

Perhaps different fitness levels required for the two different leagues you are talking about?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Juanito on June 27, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
I think in a 4-3-3 with three hard working midfielders, he could still offer something as a forward, where Barkley or Mirallas play.  Less work than in our old 4-2-3-1 formation if he is further up top.



Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bally on June 27, 2017, 02:00:22 PM
I've got lads in their early 20's who play with me on a Saturday who hold down full time jobs, exercise of an evening and bomb up and down the wing for a full 90 minutes every weekend who are fitter than him. He's got all the talent but none of the desire.
Nah you haven't you know, the fitness level required is fucking ridiculous, and unless these lads you're talking about have a strict regime and do a lot of heavy boxer type cardio work plus all the specified nutrition programme and a bespoke training programme then they're not in the same boat, I was once fit enough to do it, and that was 28 years ago even then the level was high and it's only got higher since.

That's not taking away from your lads by the way as they may be properly fit and look after themselves, but it's hard hard work man.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on June 27, 2017, 02:30:41 PM
Just classic 'he'd never survive in my Sunday league side real men us 💪🏻' shite isn't it.

Couple of plasterer mates who get up and down the wing at Buckley hill every Sunday morning haha.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on June 27, 2017, 02:36:51 PM
Buckley Hill is for the U12's actually isn't it? Haha, shows how long it's been since I kicked a ball of a weekend.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on June 27, 2017, 03:25:15 PM
Buckley Hill is for the U12's actually isn't it? Haha, shows how long it's been since I kicked a ball of a weekend.


Good memories on Buckley hill.

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 27, 2017, 03:30:10 PM
Buckley Hill is for the U12's actually isn't it? Haha, shows how long it's been since I kicked a ball of a weekend.

Did you ever used to play in those leagues down at Balls Wood @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) ?

Loved playing there for the u12s and u14s. Bit of a creepy name for a place to have kids footy though!
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bluenose 91 on June 27, 2017, 03:32:48 PM
He's a likeable lad and has shown his obvious talents in flashes but he just hasn't got the work rate or consistency for a Premier League team.

That Leicester game last season just summed him up. Lays on a great assist but then spends the remainder of the half keeled over on the touchline leaving us vulnerable down his side, which we then conceded from.

Shame it hasn't worked here but I don't think we'll miss him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 27, 2017, 04:02:33 PM
Nah you haven't you know, the fitness level required is fucking ridiculous, and unless these lads you're talking about have a strict regime and do a lot of heavy boxer type cardio work plus all the specified nutrition programme and a bespoke training programme then they're not in the same boat, I was once fit enough to do it, and that was 28 years ago even then the level was high and it's only got higher since.

That's not taking away from your lads by the way as they may be properly fit and look after themselves, but it's hard hard work man.

I know mate. It was a parody of the usual stuff we read on here. I've not been near weekend football for years, it's a young man's game. I prefer the alehouse.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 27, 2017, 04:42:00 PM
I'm not suggesting I'm fitter than deulofeu but I went from not being able to run more than a couple of 100 metres to running a 1h 40 half marathon inside 3 months. The lad can't get fit enough because he won't work hard enough. It's absolutely as simple as that. To blame koemans management is laughable. He's lazy and not remotely close to being good enough to get away with it
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bally on June 27, 2017, 05:45:20 PM
I know mate. It was a parody of the usual stuff we read on here. I've not been near weekend football for years, it's a young man's game. I prefer the alehouse.
Mate I only stopped playing 5 years ago, no ankles left, I wasn't as fast in speed but I could still get about, some of the players I used to play with were decent and thought they may make it, I said to them then "if a fat 40 year old with shoddy knees and ankles can still catch you then you may need to reassess.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Glory on June 27, 2017, 05:50:08 PM
I'm not suggesting I'm fitter than deulofeu but I went from not being able to run more than a couple of 100 metres to running a 1h 40 half marathon inside 3 months. The lad can't get fit enough because he won't work hard enough. It's absolutely as simple as that. To blame koemans management is laughable. He's lazy and not remotely close to being good enough to get away with it
It is completely different. Repeated high intensity sprints and then having to maintain technique and composure on top of it requires an extreme level of fitness.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 27, 2017, 05:54:00 PM
It is completely different. Repeated high intensity sprints and then having to maintain technique and composure on top of it requires an extreme level of fitness.

Of course it's completely different. However you get out of it what you put in and he's not getting any fitter
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 27, 2017, 05:55:39 PM
I'm not suggesting I'm fitter than deulofeu but I went from not being able to run more than a couple of 100 metres to running a 1h 40 half marathon inside 3 months. The lad can't get fit enough because he won't work hard enough. It's absolutely as simple as that. To blame koemans management is laughable. He's lazy and not remotely close to being good enough to get away with it
The first part of that is irrelevant, completly
The second part is correct, you cant really blame koeman in the fact that he sees him train and obviously didnt rate him.
The third part is open to debate as well but hey ho
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Glory on June 27, 2017, 06:03:04 PM
I think he is a poor reader of the game defensively. I think other wingers with the same level of fitness look like they work back harder because they actually anticipate what is going to happen. He is far too reactive defensively.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on June 27, 2017, 06:06:45 PM
If Barca buy him back then we put the 12 million euros towards buying someone else
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 27, 2017, 06:20:50 PM
If Barca buy him back then we put the 12 million euros towards buying someone else

Well his replacement will be unveiled tomorrow hopefully, for half that, so I'd say it's a decent outcome all round. 
Title: Deulofeu
Post by: Danny on June 29, 2017, 01:12:52 AM
Deulofeu doesn't want to go back to Barca, great news for us because it's meaning either more money or keeping him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on June 29, 2017, 04:35:00 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4648540/amp/Barcelona-rejected-Everton-winger-Gerard-Deulofeu.html

Rejected Barca according to this. Maybe we can get more
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: ally2 on June 29, 2017, 05:36:59 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4648540/amp/Barcelona-rejected-Everton-winger-Gerard-Deulofeu.html

Rejected Barca according to this. Maybe we can get more
Rejected Barca haha. Once Everton has touched you...
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 29, 2017, 05:56:00 AM
hope he gets some decent time on the pitch, think he'd be boss in the Europa.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blueski on June 29, 2017, 05:57:45 AM
Of course it's completely different. However you get out of it what you put in and he's not getting any fitter
maybe or maybe these players are at the pinnacle of human athleticism and maybe Deulofeu's ceiling for improving his engine has been hit and he's doing what he can to excel (ie playing to his strength) because trying to press poorly all game isn't his best use vs. letting others do that dirty work

hard to really say what the deal is without watching him for an extended period in training
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 29, 2017, 06:52:35 AM
He's willing to fight for his place here.  FFS, we're gonna win the League, lads.  A damned fool can see that Barca's coming up short again...
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Confucius on June 29, 2017, 06:57:34 AM
Barca loses out to Everton for Deulofeu, Arsenal lose out to Everton for Onyekuru and Real Madrid to lose out to Everton for Sandro. Man U tied to lose it to Everton for Keane.

Welcome to the big leagues boys.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 29, 2017, 07:18:13 AM
Barca loses out to Everton for Deulofeu, Arsenal lose out to Everton for Onyekuru and Real Madrid to lose out to Everton for Sandro. Man U tied to lose it to Everton for Keane.

Welcome to the big leagues boys.

If only we could work Chelsea/Lukaku into that list...
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 29, 2017, 08:14:34 AM
If only we could work Chelsea/Lukaku into that list...


soon.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on June 29, 2017, 01:49:37 PM
Can't see him staying here.

Loan to Middlesbrough beckons.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 29, 2017, 02:06:54 PM
Barca loses out to Everton for Deulofeu, Arsenal lose out to Everton for Onyekuru and Real Madrid to lose out to Everton for Sandro. Man U tied to lose it to Everton for Keane.

Welcome to the big leagues boys.

Haha gonna start calling you 'The Spin Doctor'
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 29, 2017, 02:24:07 PM
He'll somehow wangle a move to Juventus or someone like that.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on June 29, 2017, 02:25:19 PM
I'd like him to stay,

There, I said it
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Confucius on June 29, 2017, 10:57:25 PM
Haha gonna start calling you 'The Spin Doctor'

If ever I was going to change my username on here...
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 30, 2017, 09:34:48 PM
https://twitter.com/SquawkaNews/status/880795753362411520
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on June 30, 2017, 09:37:07 PM
Could have done with him for EL next season.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on June 30, 2017, 09:42:28 PM
12 million?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: pjk on June 30, 2017, 09:50:05 PM
Is that £12million, or 12million euro's?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Escla on June 30, 2017, 09:53:20 PM
Is that £12million, or 12million euro's?

Hardly any difference nowadays.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: pjk on June 30, 2017, 09:54:56 PM
Hardly any difference nowadays.



Fair point.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: formerKHL on June 30, 2017, 09:59:39 PM
sad to see this lad go....bags of potential there that will come good...
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Cozzie on June 30, 2017, 10:02:27 PM
Shame. Still felt with the extra games he would have been a good weapon from the bench.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Escla on June 30, 2017, 10:04:57 PM
sad to see this lad go....bags of potential there that will come good...

Was a good club man too, got involved in everything around Xmas seemed to be everywhere, hospitals, E.I.T.C. Etc. Loads of enthusiasm for the club.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on June 30, 2017, 10:05:24 PM
Sky Sports

DEULOFEU BACK AT BARCA

Barcelona have activated the buy-back clause in Everton forward Gerard Deulofeu's contract.

The Spain U21 captain was not part of Everton boss Ronald Koeman's plans last season and spent the campaign on loan at AC Milan.

It is understood Barcelona had until July 1 to activate the clause and now they have done that Deulofeu, 23, will sign a two-year contract.

The Catalan giants sold their La Masia graduate to the Toffees for £4.3m in 2015.

"FC Barcelona have activated the buy-back clause for Gerard Deulofeu," said a Barcelona statement.

"In the following days the terms will be agreed with both Everton and the player. Deulofeu's contract will run until June 30 2019."


Wish him the best of luck
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blue1948 on June 30, 2017, 10:09:19 PM
As a person he seemed top drawer ,for us he was never strong enough in body or mind but I wish him all the best and hope he does well .
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 30, 2017, 10:09:44 PM
Pissing his career away. Another season of inactivity. Then he'll be in the last year of his contract again/ needs to find a home where he's relied upon and get his head down and work.

Very odd signing all round. We've sold a player to Barca who couldn't get in our team. Koeman probably couldn't be less arsed. Still time for the lad but he needs to find himself a work ethic
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 30, 2017, 10:12:41 PM
Gutted :(
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blue1948 on June 30, 2017, 10:17:07 PM
Gutted :(
You will get over it quite soon after the season starts .
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bogie on June 30, 2017, 10:19:30 PM
Gutted :(

why
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 30, 2017, 10:23:31 PM
We definitley need a winger or two now it's confirmed Gerry won't be here next season.

In other news; we've low-key clawed a bit of cash back with player sales in the last two windows, I'm still confident of a £100m+ net spend this summer, given the massive rise in tv money in the two seasons Moshiro has been here, the new shirt deal and the £70m (Approx) we've recouped in player sales.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 30, 2017, 10:28:32 PM
Isn't this just the same as was reported last week??

The Barca statement even says he still needs to agree terms??
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ross on June 30, 2017, 10:30:52 PM
Isn't this just the same as was reported last week??

The Barca statement even says he still needs to agree terms??

Didn't his agent say last week he didn't want to go back as well?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 30, 2017, 10:32:15 PM
Barca have said he's agreed a two year deal...
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: School of Science on June 30, 2017, 10:34:54 PM
Didn't think the Spain u21s could sign for anyone else until the tournament was over ?  :whistle:
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 30, 2017, 10:35:02 PM
So we've swapped him for Sandro with £5m extra in the kitty. Seems like a decent deal all round really.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on June 30, 2017, 10:40:36 PM
So he sits on the bench for Barca, gets a few games and then they probably sell him on for 20+ million next year
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on June 30, 2017, 10:42:40 PM
So he sits on the bench for Barca, gets a few games and then they probably sell him on for 20+ million next year

Good luck to him. Barcelona is as good a city as any to do nothing for a year.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 30, 2017, 10:51:22 PM
Didn't his agent say last week he didn't want to go back as well?

thats where i was at with this. he had rejected barca to stay with us.

is the signed for barca for 2 years rumor true? is it a new report? has anyone got a link to the site?
read above that someone said Barca had confirmed it..
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: hill135 on June 30, 2017, 10:55:04 PM
Two year deal shows a great deal of confidence in his ability!

Not arsed
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Escla on June 30, 2017, 11:04:36 PM
thats where i was at with this. he had rejected barca to stay with us.

is the signed for barca for 2 years rumor true? is it a new report? has anyone got a link to the site?
read above that someone said Barca had confirmed it..

He rejected Barca because he wanted to go to AC Milan or Juventus.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 30, 2017, 11:07:23 PM
He rejected Barca because he wanted to go to AC Milan or Juventus.

yep, he wanted to go there, but was still our player,
now he doesnt want to goto italy and has signed for 2 years with barca?

somethings muddled up here.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Escla on June 30, 2017, 11:10:04 PM
yep, he wanted to go there, but was still our player,
now he doesnt want to goto italy and has signed for 2 years with barca?

somethings muddled up here.

He was only our player as long as Barca didn't exercise the buy back clause in his contract, which they did.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 30, 2017, 11:18:54 PM
see its on bbc now, just didnt know squwkas validity, 
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Tinga on June 30, 2017, 11:21:55 PM
^Any need for the giant video sig.

Also what a waste of a career for Gerard.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 30, 2017, 11:29:36 PM
^Any need for the giant video sig.

Also what a waste of a career for Gerard.

nope not really, seen bigger sigs by others,,  the videos pretty funny. but ill delete it,
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on June 30, 2017, 11:33:05 PM
Anyone think we should hold off signing off on the player for a week or two?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on June 30, 2017, 11:38:16 PM
Strange deal for him and Barca. 2 years doesn't suggest they see him as a long term player and they'll never recover their fee, let alone make a profit if he doesn't play much.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Trowel on June 30, 2017, 11:45:09 PM
Presume they'll send him straight off to Italy on a hefty loan deal with a view to a permanent move. No way he'd be anything more than a squad player at Barca.

Good luck Gerry - I won't miss the forum trying to spell your surname.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 30, 2017, 11:52:46 PM
Strange one this

Can't see them making much of a profit on him unless he has an amazing loan spell

Time will tell
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on July 01, 2017, 12:14:54 AM
Presume they'll send him straight off to Italy on a hefty loan deal with a view to a permanent move. No way he'd be anything more than a squad player at Barca.

Good luck Gerry - I won't miss the forum trying to spell your surname.

I think the terms of the contract were that they couldn't sell or loan him for a season? It is very strange. Still we have 10 million in the bank without having to try and sell him now.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 01, 2017, 01:57:53 AM
Good luck to the lad whatever happens now, seems a nice kid.  Barca are their own worst enemy sometimes.  How long before they come sniffing around Sandro?  ;)
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Morta75 on July 01, 2017, 03:37:32 PM
Good luck in Barcelona Gerry. Better first time around then second time for some reason... Now give Lookman plenty off chances :-)
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Escla on July 01, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
Probably not a bad thing that he's gone, everyone struggled to spell his name correctly.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Silas on July 01, 2017, 04:23:17 PM
We've definitely come out of this well. Got some good games out of him and doubled our money when he wasn't ever going to feature.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: everton1952 on July 01, 2017, 05:19:16 PM
Good luck to the boy, I am sure he will be remembered with effection by many.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: everton1952 on July 01, 2017, 05:19:31 PM
or maybe affection?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueForYou on July 01, 2017, 07:25:44 PM
Or words to that effect

All the best, Del Boy
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: pjk on July 04, 2017, 09:09:09 PM
It's now been made official via Barcelona. He's going back :(



https://twitter.com/Everton
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 04, 2017, 09:15:08 PM
No loss whatsoever.

Let's hope that our new ex-Barca youth player isn't a disappointment like Deulofeu.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 04, 2017, 09:16:39 PM
It was an interesting saga, and he was one of the very first who fell in love with "New Everton" so he will always have a place in my footy heart for that reason.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blue1948 on July 04, 2017, 09:17:25 PM
No loss whatsoever.

Let's hope that our new ex-Barca youth player isn't a disappointment like Deulofeu.
Could be like Arteta just the same!
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2017, 09:22:43 PM
Good luck to him
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ridge on July 05, 2017, 01:05:48 AM
Here's what Martinez said about clause back in Nov 15.

Quote from: 442
The player cannot be bought back in January, nor could Barcelona swoop for Deulofeu simply to sell him on immediately for a profit.

"They can't do that," he explained at a news conference. "There are certain things in the deal. They can't take him back in the winter so they can't take him back in January. It can only be at the end of the season. It is €9m for the first year and €12m in the second year.

"If they take him back they can't sell him for a season, so he has to stay in the first-team squad for a season. At the end of that if they decide to sell him we have got first rights of getting him back or we have got a big percentage of that deal.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: ally2 on July 05, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
That actually sounds like competent work from us back then
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 05, 2017, 01:19:58 AM
Wicked Del, will be back here next year then!
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ridge on July 05, 2017, 01:23:57 AM
Especially when you consider we could have saved a couple of million off £28m fee, if we'd given Chelsea a buyback clause on Lukaku.  :snigger:
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on July 05, 2017, 01:24:44 AM
Or we get a nice wedge from any sale.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 05, 2017, 01:46:40 AM
They'll have a fit when they actually see him in training. He's utterly wasteful. 1 look and he'll barely feature in a meaningful game
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheTone on July 05, 2017, 01:55:07 AM
see you in the champions league 2018/2019 lad
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: toffee_scot on July 05, 2017, 01:56:42 AM
I'm not sure how well he will do at Barcelona especially if Neymar, Messi and Suarez are all still there and avoid injuries and suspensions.

This clause does sound interesting - I doubt that Koeman would exercise the first refusal option next summer should Barca sell him but it's nice that we could get some of the sell on fee otherwise.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 05, 2017, 01:58:11 AM
He'll do well.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on July 05, 2017, 02:00:30 AM
Don't think he'll see much game time there, still think it's a very strange transfer.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 05, 2017, 02:08:45 AM
I imagine he will play against the weaker sides, especially when they have a cl game in midweek
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Confucius on July 05, 2017, 02:15:18 AM
They'll have a fit when they actually see him in training. He's utterly wasteful. 1 look and he'll barely feature in a meaningful game

No doubt he starts their season opener now.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 05, 2017, 02:20:37 AM
He'll do well.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on July 05, 2017, 02:30:59 AM
He's a homegrown player and they'll struggle to attract quality in that position anyway with Messi, Suarez and Neymar around.

Probably sell him for a profit in 12 months
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ridge on July 05, 2017, 02:52:19 AM
With Suarez and Messi they are both 30, that's when the shouts about their legs going starts.  :whistle:

Neymar is facing trial and a big fine for tax issues, so unsurprisingly he's seems more receptive to a move than he had previously.

Valverde has a bit of rebuilding job and Barcelona invested as much in Deulofeu than they did in Messi. He was meant to be king and with fines impending and prices going up, I think it's more in hope than expectation of profit, but it's not a huge gamble and they could probably get some profit next year.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 05, 2017, 03:55:38 AM
People on here have a real blind spot for deulofeu. The truth is he's not done overly well anywhere he's been. Decent impact with us the first time before losing his place and decent at Milan for a bang average team in a bang average league. He's no business playing for Barca and was signed purely for political reasons. Unless he develops a level of fitness he's never had, learns to take care of possession and learns to finish he's got zero chance. His got 1 pre season to become a completely different infinitely better footballer.
He won't do well. He's plainly not good enough for even us and we barely have any decent wingers
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Toddacelli on July 05, 2017, 04:55:55 AM
People on here have a real blind spot for deulofeu. The truth is he's not done overly well anywhere he's been. Decent impact with us the first time before losing his place and decent at Milan for a bang average team in a bang average league. He's no business playing for Barca and was signed purely for political reasons. Unless he develops a level of fitness he's never had, learns to take care of possession and learns to finish he's got zero chance. His got 1 pre season to become a completely different infinitely better footballer.
He won't do well. He's plainly not good enough for even us and we barely have any decent wingers

He has just been bought by Barcelona.
They have paid actual cash-money.
He has something more than zero chance - I don't know what it is exactly - but it's more than zero.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: schleffera on July 06, 2017, 06:06:05 AM
There's a touch of the Peter Pans about him, the boy who never grew up.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: plowman2 on July 06, 2017, 06:16:30 AM
He has just been bought by Barcelona.
They have paid actual cash-money.
He has something more than zero chance - I don't know what it is exactly - but it's more than zero.
Playing behind Messi and giving those surprise flick passes, he might have a future!
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ridge on July 15, 2017, 05:26:33 AM
https://twitter.com/gerardeulofeu/status/885939916118601732
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ridge on July 15, 2017, 05:28:42 AM
Bit subdued

https://twitter.com/FCBarcelona/status/885876340767035394
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lazarou on August 14, 2017, 06:18:49 PM
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/barcelona/83/blog/post/3179374/barcelona-miss-neymar-as-gerard-deulofeu-fails-to-fill-the-void (http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/barcelona/83/blog/post/3179374/barcelona-miss-neymar-as-gerard-deulofeu-fails-to-fill-the-void)

FW Gerard Deulofeu, 4 -- Caught offside on more than one occasion in a disappointing first half. Gave the ball away several times, too, and missed the chance to make his claim for a left win berth in Valverde's side.

Sounds a familiar match rating. I am so glad we have moved on from him. I had high hopes but I just can't see him ever fulfilling his potential.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 14, 2017, 06:26:07 PM
I was glad to see the back of him and I'm pretty sure his career will fizzle out into nothing but it's a bit harsh to judge him on his 1st performance for them against a rampant Real Madrid...

... As dreadful, and familiar, as it sounds lolol
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Robioto on August 14, 2017, 06:28:46 PM
I didn't watch the game but my mate did and was texting me throughout the game asking why he has gone from our bench to the Barcelona first 11 as he was pretty bad apparently (not suprisingly), it is bizzare.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bluedylan on August 14, 2017, 06:46:15 PM
He'll not get a lookin when Dembele and Coutinho arrive.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on August 14, 2017, 08:07:12 PM
This thread is no longer Everton related really is it
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 14, 2017, 08:21:16 PM
This thread is no longer Everton related really is it

it is bud, Deolofeu is a born again blue,  im sure we have a buy back clause for 15million, then barca will have one on  his new contract with us. for 22.5million.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Sir Stealth on August 14, 2017, 08:34:40 PM
It was tough to watch

He looked really nervous and out of his depth sadly
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 14, 2017, 09:24:38 PM
It was tough to watch

He looked really nervous and out of his depth sadly

No surprise. We are short of wingers and koeman sent him out on loan
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: everton1952 on August 14, 2017, 09:43:09 PM
Nice lad, I hope he does well in his native country.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on August 14, 2017, 09:44:05 PM
He flattered to deceive here didn't he
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: bigac on August 15, 2017, 12:20:12 AM
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/barcelona/83/blog/post/3179374/barcelona-miss-neymar-as-gerard-deulofeu-fails-to-fill-the-void (http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/barcelona/83/blog/post/3179374/barcelona-miss-neymar-as-gerard-deulofeu-fails-to-fill-the-void)

FW Gerard Deulofeu, 4 -- Caught offside on more than one occasion in a disappointing first half. Gave the ball away several times, too, and missed the chance to make his claim for a left win berth in Valverde's side.

Sounds a familiar match rating. I am so glad we have moved on from him. I had high hopes but I just can't see him ever fulfilling his potential.

Everything about that post could be Ross Barkley
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GoodisonPk on August 15, 2017, 12:59:44 AM
Whichever way you put it couldn't make Evertons squad....then takes Neymars spot at Barca. The kid must be confused.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 05:45:16 PM
Rumour is he is up for sale again

Everton get a share of any sales money
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 09, 2018, 06:06:30 PM
He's gonna run out of big clubs wanting to give him a chance soon. Played for some top clubs and don't nowt for all of them. Shame cos he's obviously extremely talented
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 06:17:30 PM
Destined for a career at Levante or somewhere like that.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blargins on January 09, 2018, 06:20:54 PM
Destined for a career at Levante or somewhere like that.

My kid has one of their laptops.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on January 09, 2018, 07:16:44 PM
Napoli are buying him, he’ll be fine.

Would have him back in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 09, 2018, 08:37:05 PM
I miss Deulofeu :(
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blueToffee on January 09, 2018, 08:43:00 PM
Got excited for a second there seeing this thread pop up.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: ally2 on January 09, 2018, 08:45:59 PM
The penny still hasn't dropped with him. Either he's not physically fit/strong enough to do what is asked of him, or he's too stupid to understand what is being asked for.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on January 09, 2018, 08:49:57 PM
All the talent in the world but no idea how to use it
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: therealdunc on January 09, 2018, 11:14:10 PM
All the talent in the world but no idea how to use it

This is a Deulofeu thread, not Ross Barkley
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 11:18:39 PM
All the talent in the world but no idea how to use it
Bizarrely...... Niasse Would prob have benefitted massively from deulofeu

All them crosses rolled across the 6yd box that were never converted, he'd have had them
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on January 09, 2018, 11:20:56 PM
Always said he'd never be a star.

*Collects internet points*
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on January 09, 2018, 11:29:48 PM
Not good enough for barca.

Hardly means he's shite like.

I've still got faith in him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 09, 2018, 11:46:06 PM
Not good enough for barca.

Hardly means he's shite like.

I've still got faith in him.

Or Sevilla or Everton. He'll run out of clubs and hype soon
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: gizzblue on January 09, 2018, 11:50:48 PM
Take him back here easy ....was only Koeman didn't like him and couldn't get the best out of him. ...imagine that eh Koeman upsetting a player .

Come back Gerri lad the ginger cunts gone.👍
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 09, 2018, 11:54:20 PM
Take him back here easy ....was only Koeman didn't like him and couldn't get the best out of him. ...imagine that eh Koeman upsetting a player .

Come back Gerri lad the ginger cunts gone.👍

Please no. He was terrible

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 10, 2018, 12:12:38 AM
I'd have him back in a flash
We have no or very little creativity at the min
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Shogun on January 10, 2018, 12:16:55 AM
I'd have him back in a flash
We have no or very little creativity at the min

Same

His limit is the likes of us though.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 12:19:49 AM
Del or Bolasie? Err.... No contest.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on January 10, 2018, 12:21:04 AM
The barca move was a mad one.

           Sigurdsson
Deulofeu Tosun  Bolasie

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ross on January 10, 2018, 12:22:30 AM
No shame in not nailing down a first team place at Barcelona but I wouldn’t want him back now even though I think he’s very talented.

His career needs a prolonged period of stability and he’s got to be careful of his next move otherwise it’s in danger of melting away.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: D15TIN on January 10, 2018, 12:26:28 AM
People saying they wouldn't have deulofeu back ha! It's sound weve got Aaron Lennon. Got such quality Deulofeu, his stamina was the worst part of his game
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Simon Paul on January 10, 2018, 12:34:41 AM
Del or Bolasie? Err.... No contest.

The barca move was a mad one.

           Sigurdsson
Deulofeu Tosun  Bolasie



we have two sides....
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 10, 2018, 12:34:59 AM
Del or Bolasie? Err.... No contest.
Exactly
Del all day long
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 12:35:59 AM
Exactly
Del all day long

 :headbang:
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 12:37:30 AM
Be A dream with him whipping in balls to Tosun.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on January 10, 2018, 12:38:20 AM
I dont think he was ever given a decent run at us
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 12:39:59 AM
I dont think he was ever given a decent run at us

Probably because he was incapable of running. More than once. In a half of football.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 10, 2018, 12:43:18 AM
do we have a buy back on the buy back?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on January 10, 2018, 12:51:01 AM
Probably because he was incapable of running. More than once. In a half of football.

Not surprising when working under managers who totally neglected the fitness aspect of the game
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 10, 2018, 01:18:27 AM
He'd win us games single handedly

Get him back Sam, this could be the turning point in our relationship
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 10, 2018, 01:23:32 AM
He'd win us games single handedly

Get him back Sam, this could be the turning point in our relationship

When exactly did he win us or anyone games single handedly. He was dreadful most of the time. he's a luxury player who doesn't score or assist much. There's no luxury
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on January 10, 2018, 03:44:38 AM
Not surprising when working under managers who totally neglected the fitness aspect of the game

Grown man. Professional sportsman. If he didn’t feel fit enough he had enough spare time to get back in the gym instead of going the hairdressers or taking Instagram pictures having lunch with his mates. His career, no-one else’s.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 10, 2018, 04:00:11 AM
Grown man. Professional sportsman. If he didn’t feel fit enough he had enough spare time to get back in the gym instead of going the hairdressers or taking Instagram pictures having lunch with his mates. His career, no-one else’s.

Let's be honest here he wasn't good coming off the bench or at the start of games either

His finishing is shite, his stamina is shite and his decision making is shite squared

People are on here talking as if hes star. He's done nowt anywhere and we thought so little of him last time we loaned him out despite having no decent wingers
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Silas on January 10, 2018, 04:02:06 AM
He's not coming back ever
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on January 10, 2018, 04:07:31 AM
Grown man. Professional sportsman. If he didn’t feel fit enough he had enough spare time to get back in the gym instead of going the hairdressers or taking Instagram pictures having lunch with his mates. His career, no-one else’s.

This post reminds me of an angry old drunk man in a pub. How dare he get haircuts and eat food.

Everyone over the martinez and koeman periods were horrendously unfit. Not just him
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: kramer0 on January 10, 2018, 04:35:35 AM
Edit: Wrong thread because I'm stupid.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 10, 2018, 04:42:42 AM
Edit: Wrong thread because I'm stupid.

Feel free to add your thoughts though.

Most people (including me) value it.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: kramer0 on January 10, 2018, 05:00:01 AM
Feel free to add your thoughts though.

Most people (including me) value it.

I think he's a better open-play creator than anyone on our books. Basically no chance he was ever going to do enough without the ball to appease Koeman or Allardyce, though, so it's sort of irrelevant.

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/841244614011031552 (https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/841244614011031552)
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 10, 2018, 05:55:17 AM
He looks bang in shape now, clearly shed a few important pounds, yet still looks like he's done a marathon after an uneventful runout.

Nice kid though, wish him nothing but the best.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ramjam on January 10, 2018, 06:02:30 AM
He looks bang in shape now, clearly shed a few important pounds, yet still looks like he's done a marathon after an uneventful runout.

Nice kid though, wish him nothing but the best.

Nice kid wish him nothing but the past
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Thornton_19 on January 10, 2018, 06:05:37 AM
I feel Koemans stint will leave a bad taste in his mouth, and he wouldn't want to return.

I would also like to think we are past him. All I remember was how anonymous he was constantly with fleeting moments that became less and less over time.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 30, 2018, 03:36:32 AM
Gone to Watford on loan. Will fail there too. Run out of chances with big clubs. He's well and truly on the slide
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 30, 2018, 03:39:34 AM
Think he'll be brilliant for Watford.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 30, 2018, 03:43:42 AM
Think he'll be brilliant for Watford.

He's not done anything anywhere. He's living off previous potential. Shame because he's got loads of talent but I really don't fancy his chances at Watford either
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 30, 2018, 03:54:02 AM
He's not done anything anywhere. He's living off previous potential. Shame because he's got loads of talent but I really don't fancy his chances at Watford either

He'd walk in to our team. Gutted we sold him, badly mismanaged.


Hate to see Cuco have to deal with him in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 30, 2018, 03:57:15 AM
He'd walk in to our team. Gutted we sold him, badly mismanaged.

Would he. He played for us when we had no wingers fit or competent and koeman decided we were better off without him too. He was largely dreadful.

People seem to want to paint a different picture to the 1 we saw on the pitch.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 30, 2018, 03:59:14 AM
Would he. He played for us when we had no wingers fit or competent and koeman decided we were better off without him too. He was largely dreadful.

People seem to want to paint a different picture to the 1 we saw on the pitch.

Koeman didn't have much of a say when Barca activated the buy back clause.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 30, 2018, 04:03:24 AM
Koeman didn't have much of a say when Barca activated the buy back clause.

We sent him out on loan. Suggests we didn't really think much of him.

Why aren't Milan back in for him? Or us? Or Sevilla? Why don't Barca want him in their squad. He's failed everywhere that's surely indisputable
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 04:06:56 AM
Very overrated player, was brilliant in his first spell here though, went down hill pretty quickly after that
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on January 30, 2018, 04:08:57 AM
Very overrated player, was brilliant in his first spell here though, went down hill pretty quickly after that

You mean like every other player under martinez/koeman?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on January 30, 2018, 04:10:16 AM
You mean like every other player under martinez/koeman?

No, just Gerry
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on January 30, 2018, 04:14:29 AM
No, just Gerry

You must have missed the decline of every one of our players from the end of the 13/14 season then. Because it definitely wasn't just him
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 30, 2018, 04:15:42 AM
We sent him out on loan. Suggests we didn't really think much of him.

Why aren't Milan back in for him? Or us? Or Sevilla? Why don't Barca want him in their squad. He's failed everywhere that's surely indisputable
Genuinely loving this aren't you
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ravardo on January 30, 2018, 04:25:49 AM
I think he's only on loan because of a clause in his contract that martinez put in ,, which was he has to stay with the barca first team for 1 year meaning they cant sell him
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on January 30, 2018, 04:28:36 AM
Boss player, would have him in the side regardless of his awful work rate tbh. Creates out of nothing, would be the best creator in the side from the right, left or as a ten.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on January 30, 2018, 04:33:36 AM
Love Geri me.

Nothing but fond memories.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: boothill on January 30, 2018, 04:52:14 AM
1st time i seen him was the 3 all derby i think, came on as sub and ran the shite ragged,  mingolet had the game of his life keeping us to 3
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on January 30, 2018, 04:59:06 AM
Man I miss that Martinez first season. Better times.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Tony Clifton on January 30, 2018, 05:10:55 AM
Man I miss that Martinez first season. Better times.

Biggest dicktease of a season since 85/86 that.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on January 30, 2018, 02:04:12 PM
Man I miss that Martinez first season. Better times.

Happiest I’ve been as a blue since 95 I think. Maybe the season we came fourth but we shithoused most of them points tbh.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 30, 2018, 03:06:27 PM
His belief in his own ability by far outweighs his actually ability.

File under Royston Drenthe.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on January 30, 2018, 03:16:04 PM
Our 45 million pound man has 2 assists this year.

Geri got 4x as many in 15/16.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Waltzer on January 30, 2018, 03:19:16 PM
Our 45 million pound man has 2 assists this year.

Geri got 4x as many in 15/16.

He did have Lukaku up front, Sig has had DCL or Niasse, that might have something to do with it, he was also played in his best position!!
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 30, 2018, 03:21:04 PM
Our 45 million pound man has 2 assists this year.

Geri got 4x as many in 15/16.

Goals?

If youregonna compare then you need to do a broader set of stats rather than just pick the one that fits the agenda .
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on January 30, 2018, 03:31:01 PM
Goals?

If youregonna compare then you need to do a broader set of stats rather than just pick the one that fits the appropriate lack of respect .

I’m talking about him being a creator though?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 30, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
I’m talking about him being a creator though?

Went over a year without a goal or assist before he scored in the cup against Leicester.

Are you talking about Martinezs first season?? How good was McCarthy then too.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on January 30, 2018, 03:51:01 PM
Went over a year without a goal or assist before he scored in the cup against Leicester.

Are you talking about Martinezs first season?? How good was McCarthy then too.

Don’t remind me.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on January 30, 2018, 04:23:50 PM
Our 45 million pound man has 2 assists this year.

Geri got 4x as many in 15/16.

And in the two seasons since, Sigurdsson's got 15 and Deulofeu's got 4.

Granted Deulofue's not played nearly as many games in that period but that in itself probably tells it's own story.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: everton1952 on January 30, 2018, 06:37:17 PM
Why is he back on the radar? Don't tell me someone else has bummed him off again. Why does nobody want him? Answer - luxury player who only turns up now and then and is exhausted after 60 minutes. Sam would love him.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 30, 2018, 06:50:34 PM
And people say Walcott never fulfilled his potential...his lad is something else.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blueToffee on January 30, 2018, 08:52:25 PM
Arguably more consistent than Bolasie.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on January 30, 2018, 08:57:01 PM
Arguably more consistent than Bolasie.

In what way?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: blueToffee on January 30, 2018, 09:02:37 PM
In what way?

I'll hold my hand up, probably based on not much. I think they are pretty similar players in a lot of respects, but I probably just prefered Deulofeu. We may not have been able to keep Deleofeu (although I don't think Koeman was interested in doing so) but Bolaise seems like an expensive/older replacement but not much of an upgrade and little room to improve. Similar to a lot of our transfers we've done in recent times.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 30, 2018, 09:20:20 PM
In what way?

I think he means he was crap a lot
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: eugene on January 30, 2018, 09:33:12 PM
Very overrated player, was brilliant in his first spell here though, went down hill pretty quickly after that
Loved the machine gun celebration tho
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: everton1952 on January 30, 2018, 09:52:41 PM
Cast your minds back to when Bolassie was playing regularly for us. Critics of him were ridiculed. People were split then in their opinions of Bolassie, and probably will be again. More recently we have been so despondent about the team, that the return of any of the long term injured  was viewed with eager anticipation. I hope Bolassie justifies the hopes placed in him. Although this post is about Deulofeu, it does not bode well for us that Bolassie is being compared with him as being similar.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 30, 2018, 11:51:35 PM
I’ve watched him a few times this season and it’s the same old story; blowing out his arse after 30 mins...and that was in a Barca team where he didn’t even have to track back. All he had to do was stand on the wing and wait for the ball.
He’s either got the lung capacity of an 8 year old or he just isn’t interested in getting fit enough to play senior football.

Criminal really, most people with give their right bollock to have his ability.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on January 31, 2018, 12:10:01 AM
And people say Walcott never fulfilled his potential...his lad is something else.

Walcott is at the end of his career. Gerri is 23 and hasn't cut it at everton when he was 20. Or Milan and Barca. There is a lot of players who aren't good enough for barca yet go on to be brilliant players.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: everton1952 on January 31, 2018, 02:43:29 AM
When does Walcott's career end then? 2019? 2020? Same as Jags.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: SANA_DR0 on January 31, 2018, 03:22:14 AM
Walcott is at the end of his career. Gerri is 23 and hasn't cut it at everton when he was 20. Or Milan and Barca. There is a lot of players who aren't good enough for barca yet go on to be brilliant players.

28 is peak career, not end of career.

Even tho i love Gerri, Walcott by the time he finishes would have scored more and assisted more in his career than Deolofeu.

in the league Walcott has  69 goals in  292 games. over all he has 113 goals in 422 appearances. Gerri aint  getting anywhere near that.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on January 31, 2018, 07:54:24 PM
I’d have liked to have kept him around as his potential level is very high.

But he wasn’t doing enough to force managers to pick him.

Even in 15/16 RM was picking Lennon ahead of him in the second half of the season.

Could never understand though how someone with great technique could only ever scuff shots, weakly straight at the keeper when 1 v 1.

People will keep giving him chances though as if he gets it, then he’ll be a very good player.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Confucius on January 31, 2018, 08:19:47 PM
I'd have liked to have kept him around as his potential level is very high.

But he wasn't doing enough to force managers to pick him.

Even in 15/16 RM was picking Lennon ahead of him in the second half of the season.

Could never understand though how someone with great technique could only ever scuff shots, weakly straight at the keeper when 1 v 1.

People will keep giving him chances though as if he gets it, then he'll be a very good player.

I think he arrived at first when Osman and Pienaar were here. They taught him how to shoot.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 31, 2018, 08:34:13 PM

Never really bought into to the Osman couldn't shoot stuff
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on January 31, 2018, 08:56:36 PM

Never really bought into to the Osman couldn't shoot stuff

Yeah it was more that he’d catch it really well if the ball was moving but if he had to generate his own power it was more difficult with Ossie.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on January 31, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
Pienaar more than Ossie to be fair.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on January 31, 2018, 10:13:02 PM
I’d have liked to have kept him around as his potential level is very high.

But he wasn’t doing enough to force managers to pick him.

Even in 15/16 RM was picking Lennon ahead of him in the second half of the season.

Could never understand though how someone with great technique could only ever scuff shots, weakly straight at the keeper when 1 v 1.

People will keep giving him chances though as if he gets it, then he’ll be a very good player.

missed quite a few in the 3-3 Derby that we should have won
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: ZVictorOne on January 31, 2018, 10:34:52 PM
Pienaar more than Ossie to be fair.

I miss Ossie
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on January 31, 2018, 11:14:39 PM
Should have scored twice as many ossie
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: mikey_blue on February 01, 2018, 01:20:31 AM
Pienaar more than Ossie to be fair.

Pienaar could of thrown the ball further than he could kick it.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 06, 2018, 03:39:51 AM
Having a decent game tonight Del...
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 06, 2018, 03:46:01 AM
He's been fanstatsic. Just scored.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 03:47:05 AM
He's fucking boss isn't he.

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on February 06, 2018, 03:47:51 AM
Nah you’s were bang on aftually, he could only tear chelsea a new arsehole for 88 mins, had to go off here the waste of space.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on February 06, 2018, 03:49:11 AM
Nah you’s were bang on aftually, he could only tear chelsea a new arsehole for 88 mins, had to go off here the waste of space.

"Blowing out his ass"
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 06, 2018, 03:49:49 AM
Seems to do players the world of good to leave us..
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on February 06, 2018, 03:51:44 AM
He's got MOTM.

Be nice to still have him and Lookman in the squad  :bonk:
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on February 06, 2018, 03:52:06 AM
Man of the match. I dont know what is more sickening. Us not giving him a chance or our board getting the fuck away with our shocking decisions with our recruitment nightmares of late on Walsh’s watch. It simply is not good enough for Everton Football Club. How can all of us lot see whats glaringly obvious yet our board cant. Something has got to give and soon or else.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Robioto on February 06, 2018, 03:56:26 AM
It's great watching another talented attacking player that used to play for us doing well...
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on February 06, 2018, 03:56:36 AM
Don't we have first refusal on him?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on February 06, 2018, 03:57:18 AM
And Watford go one point behind us.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Heisenberg on February 06, 2018, 03:57:28 AM
It's also worth noting that although he really wasn't ever given a chance with us. Barca used the buy back option. His sale was out of our hands
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Alanvideo on February 06, 2018, 03:58:36 AM
It's great watching another talented attacking player that used to play for us doing well...
.....................even though it's taken him a whole year ?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on February 06, 2018, 04:04:25 AM
We used to see games like this with us, then he'd disappear for 3 months. Let's not lose sight of reality on this one.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: toffee_scot on February 06, 2018, 04:04:28 AM
Regarding Deulofeu's move away from Everton, we didn't have a choice once Barcelona activated his buyout clause.

But yeah it's sad how nowadays players of his talent are not particularly welcome at Everton anymore.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on February 06, 2018, 04:07:46 AM
We used to see games like this with us, then he'd disappear for 3 months. Let's not lose sight of reality on this one.

They were few and far between as well, he's the new Manny Fernandes, living off the back of a Youtube video against Arsenal. He seems to start well at a club then slip back, lets see what he's like in 10 or 12 games.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on February 06, 2018, 04:08:49 AM
Had a good game has he. Let's forget the seasons of failure now.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on February 06, 2018, 04:11:13 AM
But yeah it's sad how nowadays players of his talent are not particularly welcome at Everton anymore.

I could see that opinion under Allardyce or Koeman but even Martinez seemed to lose patience with him after a while.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lazarou on February 06, 2018, 04:19:57 AM
Footballs a bitch more often than not.

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Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheTone on February 06, 2018, 04:20:41 AM
Back to being 'delafeu' or some other shit spelling after a few more games
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Alanvideo on February 06, 2018, 04:30:05 AM
Had a good game like and seems a bit fitter. Usually blowing for tugs after 60 minutes.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on February 06, 2018, 04:32:20 AM
I don’t know about Del but this new Watford manager looks decent. Maybe a bid in for him before the season is out.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on February 06, 2018, 04:46:01 AM
Don't we have first refusal on him?

I like the look of this
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lazarou on February 06, 2018, 05:00:42 AM
I think Deulofeu is fantastic footballer, entertained me no end while at Everton with a small dose of frustration. He just needs the right manager to get the best out of him and probably indulge him the odd mistake/lazy games.

Type of footballer that makes me want to pay to watch the game, alas I don't think he is a Allardyce player.

All these exciting young players that we have cast aside to be replaced by overpaid jobber's. It's a fucking disgrace.

Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley all just slipped away to be replaced by dross.

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Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 05:21:32 AM
The best football I've seen us play always had Geri on the pitch.

I'll never forget the 3-2 against West Brom when we were 2-0 down. Our game plan was simply get it to Geri and everytime he got the ball you knew something was happening.

For that six month period he was as good as anyone we've had outwide.

I just look at the options we have out wide compared to Geri and just sigh in disappointment at what we've done to this team.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ravardo on February 06, 2018, 05:36:46 AM
I think the clause is barca have to keep him in the first team for a year before selling him,,thats why his on loan i think...one of bobbys phenomenal ideas
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 06, 2018, 05:37:04 AM
The best football I've seen us play always had Geri on the pitch.

I'll never forget the 3-2 against West Brom when we were 2-0 down. Our game plan was simply get it to Geri and everytime he got the ball you knew something was happening.

For that six month period he was as good as anyone we've had outwide.

I just look at the options we have out wide compared to Geri and just sigh in disappointment at what we've done to this team.
He's shite tho
Never scored a goal or assisted in ever

Loved deulofeu, what's happendd to us ffs
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 06, 2018, 07:45:41 AM
I think the clause is barca have to keep him in the first team for a year before selling him,,thats why his on loan i think...one of bobbys phenomenal ideas

Wasn't actually Martinez's idea mate - he just relayed the information when asked.

Say what you want about Martinez - I went OTT on him toward the end of his time here - but the man at least appeared to give a shit, unlike the utter dick in charge right now - "Contracts are not my department" he said last week when asked about Mangala...

Thought we were onto something with Martinez.  And Deulofeu.  "He's magic, you know..."

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Good times.  Maybe we should have kept that shit badge...

Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on February 06, 2018, 11:29:30 AM
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lxxx on February 06, 2018, 12:17:26 PM
The best football I've seen us play always had Geri on the pitch.

I'll never forget the 3-2 against West Brom when we were 2-0 down. Our game plan was simply get it to Geri and everytime he got the ball you knew something was happening.

For that six month period he was as good as anyone we've had outwide.

I just look at the options we have out wide compared to Geri and just sigh in disappointment at what we've done to this team.

Walcott will offer the team more than Geri every day of the week.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 06, 2018, 01:24:31 PM
I heard that last season Koeman called a crisis meeting before Christmas so everyone could get things off their chest, and Deulofeu said if he's not playing then he's not training.. and that's why he got turfed out.

I'm not an ITK but it's legit judging from who told me.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Robioto on February 06, 2018, 01:32:02 PM
.....................even though it's taken him a whole year ?

I wouldn't know to be honest, I don't watch a lot of Spanish or Italian football. But the Deulofeu I watched last night had more attacking productivity and intent than any of our players have all this season.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Ramjam on February 06, 2018, 01:43:06 PM
I heard that last season Koeman called a crisis meeting before Christmas so everyone could get things off their chest, and Deulofeu said if he's not playing then he's not training.. and that's why he got turfed out.

I'm not an ITK but it's legit judging from who told me.
If that’s the case then he should have been fined a weeks wages for every training session he missed and I would think that it wouldn’t have been to long before he had his boots back on and his tail between his legs
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Fynci on February 06, 2018, 01:43:40 PM
Not directly Deulofeu related, but it goes to show that if you attack bigger teams you might actually get a result. Watford were excellent yesterday.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 02:02:46 PM
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bluedylan on February 06, 2018, 02:06:40 PM
He was talented but massively inconsistent, and for lack of a better word, was an absolute pussy. The screams anytime he was challenged, the refusal to track back, waving his arms or sat on his arse aren't missed.

I think some maybe over-rate him a little because he reminds us of when we had a semblance of an identity and when we were aiming higher than this current horror show.

Still, he seems like a nice kid and he provided a few happy memories, so I hope he has a good career.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: brap2 on February 06, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
I heard that last season Koeman called a crisis meeting before Christmas so everyone could get things off their chest, and Deulofeu said if he's not playing then he's not training.. and that's why he got turfed out.

I'm not an ITK but it's legit judging from who told me.

Hah, fuckin hell
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Lincs Toffee on February 06, 2018, 02:49:05 PM
One thing for sure, he's going to rip Martina and Mangala new ones when we play them in a couple of weeks!
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Alanvideo on February 06, 2018, 02:54:56 PM
I wouldn't know to be honest, I don't watch a lot of Spanish or Italian football. But the Deulofeu I watched last night had more attacking productivity and intent than any of our players have all this season.
......................yes I agree but ,as others have said ,he's too inconsistent . Loved him when he was here but an exasperating player.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Cereal Killer on February 06, 2018, 03:11:04 PM
Had a good game like and seems a bit fitter. Usually blowing for tugs after 60 minutes.

Helps playing against 10 men for most of the game....
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 03:50:32 PM
Flash in the pan, he really is, I like him a lot, was brilliant when he first signed, was unplayable at times but eventually got found out.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: gizzblue on February 06, 2018, 05:20:41 PM
Loved him against stoke ...he twatted them that day. ...but all to often was shite .
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 06, 2018, 05:36:00 PM
Last time he scored in the premier league he was in a team that included Stones, Barkley & Lukaku.

We've fucked this new dawn up haven't we lads?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: mikey_blue on February 06, 2018, 05:45:21 PM
Chuffed for him and his little rat dog.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on February 06, 2018, 06:02:05 PM
Last time he scored in the premier league he was in a team that included Stones, Barkley & Lukaku.

We've fucked this new dawn up haven't we lads?

Although issues started there in that we actually lost at home to Stoke!
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 06, 2018, 06:30:38 PM
Although issues started there in that we actually lost at home to Stoke!

Was an absolute Roberto special that game wasn't it fucking hell
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 07:03:41 PM
Don't even remember that?

Losing to Stoke, at home? Nah, not having it.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 07:19:40 PM
Don't even remember that?

Losing to Stoke, at home? Nah, not having it.

I blocked it out of my memory as well, but it actually happened

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35148469
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 06, 2018, 07:25:53 PM
I blocked it out of my memory as well, but it actually happened

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35148469

Still not having that shaqiri meant the first goal
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Mick 1995 on February 06, 2018, 07:28:06 PM
Was that the game it snowed like a mother fucker as we left the ground?
Had to stop in that boozer next to St Anthony's on scotty. They only had cans of carling in the fridge, no draught.

Or maybe that was the year before. Yeah, it was. We got beat by Stoke 1-0  on boxing day in 2014 as well.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 06, 2018, 07:29:04 PM
Was that the game it snowed like a mother fucker as we left the ground?
Had to stop in that boozer next to St Anthony's on scotty. They only had cans of carling in the fridge, no draught.

Or maybe that was the year before. Yeah, it was. We got beat by Stoke 1-0  on boxing day in 2014 as well.

Wasn't that Sunderland? Osman and Howard fucked up?
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 07:32:28 PM
Was that the game it snowed like a mother fucker as we left the ground?
Had to stop in that boozer next to St Anthony's on scotty. They only had cans of carling in the fridge, no draught.

Or maybe that was the year before. Yeah, it was. We got beat by Stoke 1-0  on boxing day in 2014 as well.


Yep, Bojan scored a penalty, it was freezing, walked home in a fucking blizzard
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Juanito on February 06, 2018, 07:36:00 PM
Wasn't that Sunderland? Osman and Howard fucked up?

I was there then. Ruined my Boxing Day.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Macca77 on February 06, 2018, 07:38:59 PM
Wasn't that Sunderland? Osman and Howard fucked up?

Remember that as well, we were unbeaten at home for nearly a year, Howard sent off early, they scored a pen, we fucking battered them for 70 mins but could'nt score.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 06, 2018, 07:40:53 PM
Remember that as well, we were unbeaten at home for nearly a year, Howard sent off early, they scored a pen, we fucking battered them for 70 mins but could'nt score.
Grim game that
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 07:42:50 PM
Heavy losing to stoke at home la.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 06, 2018, 07:45:00 PM
Heavy losing to stoke at home la.


We only beat them at home once under the baldy fella.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: GLewis on February 06, 2018, 07:45:23 PM
Heavy losing to stoke at home la.


2 years running!
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: TheRam on February 06, 2018, 07:46:16 PM
Why can't I remember these games? Yet I remember them beating us 1-0 at home proper years ago when Huth scored.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Bluenose 91 on February 06, 2018, 07:49:17 PM
The 4-3 one is etched in my brain.

Think that's when I first definitely wanted him sacked.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Jimmywhack on February 06, 2018, 07:54:06 PM
Why can't I remember these games? Yet I remember them beating us 1-0 at home proper years ago when Huth scored.
Was staying in the Adelphi that day, fuck that was awful
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Gash on February 06, 2018, 08:10:38 PM
Bad enough losing at home to Stoke but giving them 4 goals is criminal.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Audrey Horne on February 06, 2018, 08:12:44 PM
Was that the game it snowed like a mother fucker as we left the ground?



Mad that game, got a last minute ticket with my dad. Ruined Christmas. Then got stuck driving home and had to leave the car and hitchhike home ahahah fuck sake Everton.
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Tony Clifton on February 06, 2018, 08:21:38 PM
The screams anytime he was challenged

Oh man, yes, that screeching.  Brought some massive pisstaking on himself from opposition fans, which he just couldn't handle.  City in the league cup was a highlight, had to laugh myself. 
Title: Re: Deulofeu
Post by: Dr. Sponge on February 06, 2018, 09:57:20 PM
I was at that Stoke game. The Martinez days in a nutshell.