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Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on June 16, 2017, 07:40:14 PM
'BARKLEY ON HIS WAY OUT'

Ross Barkley's days at Everton are numbered following the arrival of Davy Klaassen, according to Alan Stubbs.

The 23-year-old is entering the final 12 months of his contract and having failed to comply with manager Ronald Koeman's ultimatum to provide a response to their offer of a new deal by the end of the season, the Dutchman has begun his quest to find replacements.

"I think Ronald put his cards on the table with Ross before the end of the season and he gave him an ultimatum," Stubbs told talkSPORT.

"The fact that we are three weeks gone and Ross hasn't signed, then I think that's the biggest indicator that Ross' future is going to lie elsewhere."
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 16, 2017, 07:40:28 PM
Only thing I'm bothered about now is -

with all this recruitment activity and extra personnel with Walsh and the team - I hope they have a scout who's job it is to find out which players dad's are massive twats in the press!

 :snigger:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on June 16, 2017, 07:52:17 PM
Rumours Ronaldo wants out of Real. Come join the revolution lad! 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 16, 2017, 07:58:52 PM
'BARKLEY ON HIS WAY OUT'

Genuinely not bothered
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 16, 2017, 08:06:14 PM
'BARKLEY ON HIS WAY OUT'

Genuinely not bothered

Nor me. He just didn't deliver and we can't wait around forever because he might

I don't even think he wanted to leave originally. Think he's overplayed his hand and koeman, in response, wasn't right arsed. He'll get a big move if he's cheap enough (or next season on a free) he won't find a club above us who actually intends for him to be a first team regular. He probably wouldn't be that here either.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on June 16, 2017, 08:22:48 PM
Nor me. He just didn't deliver and we can't wait around forever because he might

I don't even think he wanted to leave originally. Think he's overplayed his hand and koeman, in response, wasn't right arsed. He'll get a big move if he's cheap enough (or next season on a free) he won't find a club above us who actually intends for him to be a first team regular. He probably wouldn't be that here either.
Who would come in for him? Maybe Spurs or City for their bench? Not getting in any 11s above us, or would he go abroad? Not so sure thatd suit him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 16, 2017, 08:29:03 PM
I don't even think he wanted to leave originally. Think he's overplayed his hand 

This.

Sad for him. A bit sad for us too but I know we'll move on. Hope Ross does well in the future. Think he'll really regret things in the future.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 16, 2017, 08:29:47 PM
No idea what Barkley is up to.  I actually have warmed a bit that I wouldn't mind him hanging around the squad but it's not really in his interest to do that, especially when england lact in central midfield and there is a world cup next summer.  He needs lots of games and total support which he's only get if he dropped down a level.  Thing is that teams at that level are not going to throw £100k/weeek at him so he needs to give his head a little think.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on June 16, 2017, 08:37:28 PM
This is just Alan Stubbs opinion, so nothing has changed or been hinted.

They may ask David Weir next and he'll give his opinion, it still won't change or hint anything futher.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Sixx1402 on June 16, 2017, 08:40:35 PM
It's a bit sad that its come to this but i'm not too bothered either, i've been saying for a while now he doesn't have all the attributes for a specific postition.

He's no number 10 as his decision making is questionable to say the least plus he doesn't have the range of passing/vision for it

He's no central midfielder either as he doesn't have the work rate required and is liable to give the ball away in dangerous positions.

Add to that that he seems to be a confidence player and if things aren't going his way he's anonymous

He only seems to be good at running at defenders and every now and again hits a cracker

It's just not enough, real shame i thought he's be great by now
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on June 16, 2017, 08:51:47 PM
It's a bit sad that its come to this but i'm not too bothered either, i've been saying for a while now he doesn't have all the attributes for a specific postition.

He's no number 10 as his decision making is questionable to say the least plus he doesn't have the range of passing/vision for it

He's no central midfielder either as he doesn't have the work rate required and is liable to give the ball away in dangerous positions.

Add to that that he seems to be a confidence player and if things aren't going his way he's anonymous

He only seems to be good at running at defenders and every now and again hits a cracker

It's just not enough, real shame i thought he's be great by now
Cant disagree with any of that
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on June 16, 2017, 09:10:54 PM
Nothing new in that link.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: smellybum on June 16, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
Big moment for him now. The next few weeks could easily determine how his career pans out. Choices seem to be. Stay and fight for your position with us. He will really have to put the work in. Bugger off to say West Ham or Newcastle and be the billy big bollox for them without ever really challenging for anything or achieving something. Or finally maybe if say Spurs or Arsenal come in for him he may get 20 games a season depending on European runs. He has to ask himself what does he want from his career?

We have shown we are capable of acting in the transfer market and will replace him with no issues. He has to be rattled slightly. Not guaranteed a starting role with us now. No big clubs seemingly coming in for him. I can see him being a panic buy for somebody on deadline day.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: American Evertonian on June 17, 2017, 12:11:31 AM
It's a bit sad that its come to this but i'm not too bothered either, i've been saying for a while now he doesn't have all the attributes for a specific postition.

He's no number 10 as his decision making is questionable to say the least plus he doesn't have the range of passing/vision for it

He's no central midfielder either as he doesn't have the work rate required and is liable to give the ball away in dangerous positions.

Add to that that he seems to be a confidence player and if things aren't going his way he's anonymous

He only seems to be good at running at defenders and every now and again hits a cracker

It's just not enough, real shame i thought he's be great by now

This. He's good at a decent amount of things but not really great at anything. If he wasn't a boyhood Evertonian and Academy product I believe we would see more people coming out calling for him to be sold off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eame on June 17, 2017, 12:18:41 AM
It's a strange one this... Would love to know what has really happened but like most comments above I'm really not arsed if he stays or goes. Its a such a shame though the lad is probably living every single persons on here's dream but it doesn't seem enough for him, which is something I will never understand. A few of my mates have said it similar to the Rooney situation years back but I don't agree. Back then we was stagnant and not gong anywhere whereas now the future is bright... Silly boy Ross.....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eame on June 17, 2017, 12:19:15 AM
going
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 17, 2017, 12:21:52 AM
I think he's just been poorly advised. He doesn't strike me as someone blessed with too many brain cells so he should have surrounded himself with people who had wise heads on their shoulders. Looks to me like he was listening to the wrong sort of advice and now he's in a bit of a hole.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: toffee_scot on June 17, 2017, 12:29:27 AM
Many of the players are probably on their summer holidays just now. I can imagine that Ross will get his future sorted out next month, whether that means signing a new contract or moving to another club.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 17, 2017, 12:30:51 AM
Someone's tried to make a few quid off him and ruined his fucking life.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 17, 2017, 12:48:18 AM
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Post by: Silas on June 17, 2017, 12:53:16 AM
Nah I am still fucking mortified that he might go.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 17, 2017, 01:19:35 AM
Who was it who said he was going to leave last winter? This has likely been on the books for a long time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SteB on June 17, 2017, 02:05:19 AM
He always felt more like a striker to me, well a second striker of sorts. Still think it'll be a real shame if he leaves, he'll be more worse off than we will that's for sure.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bogie on June 17, 2017, 02:12:41 AM
might be that he has taken the hump he was not offered a new deal last year as most players are with 2 years left

with rom going I would really like to see how ross gets on playing with a frontman that moves a bit more for him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D_murph0278 on June 17, 2017, 02:31:31 AM
Nah I am still fucking mortified that he might go.

I'm with you there. I'd rather we kept him over Rom.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: stirlingblue on June 17, 2017, 02:47:37 AM
He always felt more like a striker to me, well a second striker of sorts. Still think it'll be a real shame if he leaves, he'll be more worse off than we will that's for sure.

I've always said that he had the right attributes to be a striker.

He's much closer to a striker than he is a No.10 or a CM
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 17, 2017, 02:47:46 AM
He always felt more like a striker to me, well a second striker of sorts. Still think it'll be a real shame if he leaves, he'll be more worse off than we will that's for sure.

I think he's an 8.

He's allergic to the box so he can't be a striker, but he passes the ball well, he's press resistant, he can spray 40 yarders and I think he's got a deep through ball in him he just falters for some reason, and finally he can striker the ball from distance on either foot.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 17, 2017, 02:48:33 AM
Fail to see how he is a striker

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on June 17, 2017, 02:49:28 AM
If he suddenly scored goals like Dixie, tackled like Reidy, ran like Bally, passed like Harvey and showboated like McKenzie, Barkley would still have some Everton fans on his back for not having hair like Arteta or reflexes like Southall.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tony hibberts right foot on June 17, 2017, 02:56:28 AM
Im in the really not arsed camp, I will say the same as i say for any player who wants out, if they want to go sell them which goes for rom too. Get someone in who wants to play for us. The club will be here long after them. He just hasn't improved over the last few years where as one of the players he is most like, deli ali has come on leaps and bounds which is exactly why he will waste his time going to spurs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 17, 2017, 03:05:38 AM
I think there's a difference between wanting out and feeling wanted

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on June 17, 2017, 03:08:39 AM
I think there's a difference between wanting out and feeling wanted

Profound Jim
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 17, 2017, 03:10:23 AM
If he suddenly scored goals like Dixie, tackled like Reidy, ran like Bally, passed like Harvey and showboated like McKenzie, Barkley would still have some Everton fans on his back for not having hair like Arteta or reflexes like Southall.

Yet he does none of them things and he still has plenty up his arse.
Koeman knows. He's indifferent to him going because he puts in indifferent performances
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 17, 2017, 03:14:47 AM
If he suddenly scored goals like Dixie, tackled like Reidy, ran like Bally, passed like Harvey and showboated like McKenzie, Barkley would still have some Everton fans on his back for not having hair like Arteta or reflexes like Southall.

Why bother writing this bollocks?  Then 3 people 'like' it too for goodness sake
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bigmanbob on June 17, 2017, 03:50:09 AM
He's learn't the hard way that Koeman is not Martinez and if he says you've got till the end of the season to sign and you don't then it's goodbye baby. Pretty stupid of him and his advisers to expect anything else really
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 17, 2017, 04:05:18 AM
Ross' biggest problem is that he's a horse for no course so to speak.

Stuck in footballing purgatory.

He needs a free role ideally, a bit like Ronaldo, but he's not good enough for that. Yet......
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 17, 2017, 04:39:12 AM
Koeman just isn't that into him. Simple as that. He's the boss with a footballing pedigree that is second to none so we've got to take it that he knows what he's doing.

Local lad or not he just doesn't deliver enough and there are better players out there. Big call but ultimately it's probably the right one.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on June 17, 2017, 04:52:37 AM
I really want him to stay, he's a great player and I really don't see Klassen or Sigurdsson replacing what he is capable of either. Those players give us different ways to break teams down which we were sorely missing last season but they're not like Barkley. If he goes, it'd be to the likes of Spurs and I don't want that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on June 17, 2017, 04:54:42 AM
Why bother writing this bollocks?  Then 3 people 'like' it too for goodness sake

As a resolute Barkley detractor Ally what is it you'd like to see him improve on?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on June 17, 2017, 05:01:44 AM
It's going to really hurt to see him score his first goal for someone else in the Premier League, and give his shy little smile, and be applauded by fans who aren't us 😔

I really love him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bigmanbob on June 17, 2017, 05:04:50 AM
As a resolute Barkley detractor Ally what is it you'd like to see him improve on?
Have you not watched him for the past year?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on June 17, 2017, 05:06:39 AM
Have you not watched him for the past year?

No of course not Bob.

How do you think he could improve his game?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 17, 2017, 05:09:09 AM
If he wasn't from a few mile down the road then nobody would really give a fuck if we were moving him on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bigmanbob on June 17, 2017, 05:10:02 AM
No of course not Bob.

How do you think he could improve his game?
By giving us and end result. By not running up blind alleys, buy not running at pace  then stopping and letting the entire defence get set, by not 95% of the time making the wrong decision. Do I need to go on, his whole game and his confidence has completely gone west
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on June 17, 2017, 05:20:58 AM
By giving us and end result. By not running up blind alleys, buy not running at pace  then stopping and letting the entire defence get set, by not 95% of the time making the wrong decision. Do I need to go on, his whole game and his confidence has completely gone west

So he doesn't score or assists enough for you?

Because in 2015/16 his goals & assists were pretty high in comparison to his peers. Same as last season when there was only 8 other players who set up more goals than Barkley. Hardly sounds like the headless chicken you're making out to be.

Who's your benchmark you're comparing him against if you think we could get better?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bigmanbob on June 17, 2017, 05:27:16 AM
So he doesn't score or assists enough for you?

Because in 2015/16 his goals & assists were pretty high in comparison to his peers. Same as last season when there was only 8 other players who set up more goals than Barkley. Hardly sounds like the headless chicken you're making out to be.

Who's your benchmark you're comparing him against if you think we could get better?

I may not have said so, but that's not my beef with him. He has all the talent in the world, I just don't think at the minute he's fulfilling that potential and arguably never will. I don't think it's up for debate that he doesn't score enough, he had the potential to be a world beater but I don't think he ever will be
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 17, 2017, 05:28:36 AM
As a resolute Barkley detractor Ally what is it you'd like to see him improve on?
No I'm not getting into all that again. It's all been said before.   But to say that detractors would still complain if he was brilliant is just silly 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on June 17, 2017, 05:32:25 AM
I may not have said so, but that's not my beef with him. He has all the talent in the world, I just don't think at the minute he's fulfilling that potential and arguably never will. I don't think it's up for debate that he doesn't score enough, he had the potential to be a world beater but I don't think he ever will be

So what's your acceptable figures then?

You're saying he's talented and by saying he's got potential I assume you think he's got time on his side, why give up on him?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on June 17, 2017, 05:33:50 AM
No I'm not getting into all that again. It's all been said before.   But to say that detractors would still complain if he was brilliant is just silly 

Ally I'm sure you probably moaned about him last season when he scored 12 goals and got 12 assists, so what more do you want from him?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bigmanbob on June 17, 2017, 05:37:27 AM
So what's your acceptable figures then?

You're saying he's talented and by saying he's got potential I assume you think he's got time on his side, why give up on him?
I'm a fan, I'm not in a position to set acceptable figures. Only a fool would say he's not say he's not talented, sadly I think under Koeman his time has ran out and neither of our opinions will change this. He has no time left IMHO by not not meeting Koemans deadline
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on June 17, 2017, 05:49:36 AM
I'm a fan, I'm not in a position to set acceptable figures. Only a fool would say he's not say he's no talented, sadly I think under Koeman his time has ran out and neither of our opinions will change this. He has no time left IMHO by not not meeting Koemans deadlline

Yeah we're all "only fans" but you've said he doesn't give us an "end result" and in the past he's matched many others in his position for "end results" hasn't he. That's the point, no matter how many goals he gets, assists he makes or whatever some people just won't take to him.

Can't understand it myself. Nothing personal here, you're not the only poster to share these opions and it's just something I can't understand. Even if Barkley has plateaued he's still one of the best midfielders in the league, and he's only 23. Pleanty of time left to fulfil that talent you or worse just carry on being one of the best in the league.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: AllyBlue14 on June 17, 2017, 07:20:37 AM
I'm a fan, I'm not in a position to set acceptable figures. Only a fool would say he's not say he's not talented, sadly I think under Koeman his time has ran out and neither of our opinions will change this. He has no time left IMHO by not not meeting Koemans deadline

You went all Fred Elliott in the middle there, mate!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 17, 2017, 08:42:32 AM
Really hope he gets sold soon so we can put this to bed finally and buy somebody better and who actually wants to play for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on June 17, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
Really hope he gets sold soon so we can put this to bed finally and buy somebody better and who actually wants to play for us.

Yes it has all been said before but he hasn't signed and seems to have no intention of doing so .From that I can only conclude one of two options ,that he has not been offered enough -despite the club saying it was a good deal or that he wants to wind down his contract and get a big signing-on bonus from his next club
Either way let him go if his heart isn't in it .
Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: Buck76 on June 17, 2017, 01:33:03 PM
With Chelsea now sniffing around Barkley too maybe a double deal either way would be a win win situation. Anythings got to be better than Spurs winding us up...

I'd take £70m plus Ake & Batshuayi

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gash on June 17, 2017, 01:37:55 PM
With Chelsea now sniffing around Barkley too maybe a double deal either way would be a win win situation. Anythings got to be better than Spurs winding us up...

I'd take £70m plus Ake & Batshuayi



I reckon there's only one person been doing the sniffing. ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 17, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
Whatever the final outcome it needs resolving ASAP in order for us to build for next season. The fact it is still rumbling on works for no-one.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Danny on June 17, 2017, 02:51:32 PM
I don't really care that much now if he leaves  but ideally he'd stay and improve as the quality around him does.

Some of the link up play between himself and Davies at times was unreal in the last few weeks and you've got to think it'd be the same if we got new attackers in.

That and imagine the buzz of announcing he'd signed a new 5 year deal, I think all the messing around would be forgotten immediately.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on June 17, 2017, 02:58:58 PM
Alli benefits from the creativity, experience and nous of Eriksen. I think Barkley would benefit from Klaassen, as he is a clever, quick thinking player.

We saw improvements in Barkley's game when Davies came in, just hope he sticks around to develop further.

The decision making and deciding when to release the ball, should improve when you are surrounded by quick thinking, technical players who demand the ball in tight areas.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on June 17, 2017, 03:51:06 PM
Really hope he gets sold soon so we can put this to bed finally and buy somebody better and who actually wants to play for us.

Think we bought his replacement already.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on June 17, 2017, 03:58:52 PM
Think we bought his replacement already.

I mustve missed us signing an attacking midfielder?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 17, 2017, 04:17:10 PM
I mustve missed us signing an attacking midfielder?

If the Klaassan we've just signed isn't attack minded then we've been sold a shit copy of the real thing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 17, 2017, 04:18:31 PM
Don't think Klaassen will take his spot though. He'll take Davies' role.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on June 17, 2017, 04:19:06 PM
I mustve missed us signing an attacking midfielder?

Never heard of this guy ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Klaassen
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on June 17, 2017, 04:20:12 PM
If the Klaassan we've just signed isn't attack minded then we've been sold a shit copy of the real thing.

Klaassen's a CM who gets forward.  He'll play as one of the three.  How many times did Ross play there last year?  He spent most of the time wide right or left.  Klaassen wont play there, so he's 100% not a replacement.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on June 17, 2017, 04:20:25 PM
Don't think Klaassen will take his spot though. He'll take Davies' role.

He's an atacking mid fielder whoever place he takes.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on June 17, 2017, 04:21:11 PM
Never heard of this guy ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Klaassen

Doesnt play anywheree close to where Ross played last season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on June 17, 2017, 04:22:50 PM
Klaassen's a CM who gets forward.  He'll play as one of the three.  How many times did Ross play there last year?  He spent most of the time wide right or left.  Klaassen wont play there, so he's 100% not a replacement.

You said we hadn't signed an atacking midfielder, I said Klassen is an atacking midfielder, not getting into a debate where he plays, that's Koemans job.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 17, 2017, 04:23:24 PM
I've decided he's staying anyway
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 17, 2017, 04:25:05 PM
Barkley isn't a wide forward either. He's a central midfielder who wasn't good enough to get in our team in his own position
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on June 17, 2017, 04:25:46 PM
You said we hadn't signed an atacking midfielder, I said Klassen is an atacking midfielder, not getting into a debate where he plays, that's Koemans job.

You said we'd signed Ross' replacement, which would suggest, you know, that we've signed someone who will play where Ross played.

Klaassen is a midfielder who gets into the box.  Hes not one of the front three.  Hes not a No.10. 

Hes not Ross' replacement.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on June 17, 2017, 04:38:36 PM
You said we'd signed Ross' replacement, which would suggest, you know, that we've signed someone who will play where Ross played.

Klaassen is a midfielder who gets into the box.  Hes not one of the front three.  Hes not a No.10. 

Hes not Ross' replacement.
Technically you're right but if Koeman is going for a different system then Klassen may be his replacement, let's see
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on June 17, 2017, 04:45:12 PM
Nothing has changed with me, I still want Barkley and Lukaku to sign up and stay. I still think there is a slim chance of that happening yet as well.
Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 17, 2017, 04:45:16 PM
Klaasen can play number 10.  Not there's much of a need for a number 10 in a 4-3-3.  But then Ross isn't a number 10 either. Nobody knows what he is including himself.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 17, 2017, 04:54:21 PM
Nothing has changed with me, I still want Barkley and Lukaku to sign up and stay. I still think there is a slim chance of that happening yet as well.

Barkley would make a great squad player, no doubt. And really I can't see him getting anything better than he has with us. 100k a week playing for your boyhood club. Think that's what most of us could only dream of.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on June 17, 2017, 05:09:37 PM
Koeman just isn't that into him. Simple as that. He's the boss with a footballing pedigree that is second to none so we've got to take it that he knows what he's doing.

Local lad or not he just doesn't deliver enough and there are better players out there. Big call but ultimately it's probably the right one.
He loves Davies ( who put in a few bad ones towards the end of the season) and has no time for Ross ,there must be something for Ross to learn from that .As a lifelong Blue of course it would hurt if one of our own leaves but Ross has not upped his game and Ronald is not the man to tolerate that .I think we have a great manager now even knowing one day he will be off ,I keep hoping that "once Everton has touched you " will be enough ,sadly then I wake up and smell the coffee .He is on a mission and Ross Barkley is not the one to stand in his way .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on June 17, 2017, 05:12:21 PM
So he doesn't score or assists enough for you?

Because in 2015/16 his goals & assists were pretty high in comparison to his peers. Same as last season when there was only 8 other players who set up more goals than Barkley. Hardly sounds like the headless chicken you're making out to be.

Who's your benchmark you're comparing him against if you think we could get better?
May be one of the eight who did better?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 17, 2017, 05:20:12 PM
Barkley would make a great squad player, no doubt. And really I can't see him getting anything better than he has with us. 100k a week playing for your boyhood club. Think that's what most of us could only dream of.

£100k/wk to sit on the bench for your boyhood club is what will be going through his mind.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 17, 2017, 05:25:34 PM
He loves Davies ( who put in a few bad ones towards the end of the season) and has no time for Ross ,there must be something for Ross to learn from that .As a lifelong Blue of course it would hurt if one of our own leaves but Ross has not upped his game and Ronald is not the man to tolerate that .I think we have a great manager now even knowing one day he will be off ,I keep hoping that "once Everton has touched you " will be enough ,sadly then I wake up and smell the coffee .He is on a mission and Ross Barkley is not the one to stand in his way .

Davies has exactly what Ross doesn't. Passion, that X-factor and the determination on the field that is infectious and pushes others. And I think that is why Barkley will never fulfill his potential. While Davies doesn't have Barkley's skills, he has the edge given his determination. He's a fighter.

But yeah, he did fade towards the end of the season, but then they all did. Am most excited about Davies out of all our players though. He looks the real deal. And that is why Koeman rates Davies and not Barkley imo.

I am assuming Klaassen will replace Davies in the team which I am sad about, but with Seamus out, I wonder how Davies would do as a wing back with a 3 at the back formation from time to time? He certainly has the speed and tacking to do well in the role, plus he has an end product.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on June 17, 2017, 05:33:24 PM
Davies has exactly what Ross doesn't. Passion, that X-factor and the determination on the field that is infectious and pushes others. And I think that is why Barkley will never fulfill his potential. While Davies doesn't have Barkley's skills, he has the edge given his determination. He's a fighter.

But yeah, he did fade towards the end of the season, but then they all did. Am most excited about Davies out of all our players though. He looks the real deal. And that is why Koeman rates Davies and not Barkley imo.

I am assuming Klaassen will replace Davies in the team which I am sad about, but with Seamus out, I wonder how Davies would do as a wing back with a 3 at the back formation from time to time? He certainly has the speed and tacking to do well in the role, plus he has an end product.
The thing about Tom Davies is he is 18 ,no one including Koeman expects or wants him to burn himself out .I would be surprised if he plays week in and week out .Yes I know Colin Harvey did but it is a different game now .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Silas on June 17, 2017, 05:35:01 PM
Davies is incredibly fortunate he breakthrough after Barkley. That's why he's going to be ok.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 17, 2017, 05:41:25 PM
The thing about Tom Davies is he is 18 ,no one including Koeman expects or wants him to burn himself out .I would be surprised if he plays week in and week out .Yes I know Colin Harvey did but it is a different game now .

Totally agree.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 17, 2017, 05:42:57 PM
Davies is incredibly fortunate he breakthrough after Barkley. That's why he's going to be ok.

Why? He's going to be ok because of his attitude and his mentality. I'd be far sadder if the tables were reversed and it was Davies pining for the exit and not Barkley.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 17, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
Klaassen's a CM who gets forward.  He'll play as one of the three.  How many times did Ross play there last year?  He spent most of the time wide right or left.  Klaassen wont play there, so he's 100% not a replacement.

Ross isn't a wide forward. He was pushed further forward by Koeman to accommodate him into the team and to hopefully draw out more productivity.

In a 4-3-3 it's difficult for Koeman to find a role for him, or so it would appear. He doesn't seem to work hard enough to play in a midfield three and he's not a forward. Good player but maybe better suited to a different system in a different team under a different manager?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on June 17, 2017, 05:58:28 PM
Ross isn't a wide forward. He was pushed further forward by Koeman to accommodate him into the team and to hopefully draw out more productivity.

In a 4-3-3 it's difficult for Koeman to find a role for him, or so it would appear. He doesn't seem to work hard enough to play in a midfield three and he's not a forward. Good player but maybe better suited to a different system in a different team under a different manager?

I didnt say Ross was a wide forward.  I said thats where he'd been played, and as such his replacement will play in those positions.  Klaassen will be one of the midfield 3.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 17, 2017, 06:10:29 PM
I didnt say Ross was a wide forward.  I said thats where he'd been played, and as such his replacement will play in those positions.  Klaassen will be one of the midfield 3.

Exactly. He was played further forward because we were short on quality and quantity in those areas. With 2-3 additions in those areas this summer he'll be back competing centrally again, with Klaassan.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Silas on June 17, 2017, 06:16:08 PM
Why? He's going to be ok because of his attitude and his mentality. I'd be far sadder if the tables were reversed and it was Davies pining for the exit and not Barkley.

The expectations on him were zero in comparison and he was and is being afforded the time to develop without much criticism as yet.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on June 17, 2017, 06:35:44 PM
He's not being pushed out of the club; if he leaves it's because of his refusal to sign a very lucrative contract
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Rodenplav64 on June 17, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
The expectations on him were zero in comparison and he was and is being afforded the time to develop without much criticism as yet.

Well said . Also if Koeman didn't rate Barkley I doubt he would have offered a better contract . Pretty sure Koeman would love him to stay but he is just not going to get drawn into protracted arguments with agents in order to keep someone who he feels he is able to replace . Hence he has treated Lukaku differently because he knows he won't be that easy to replace . Lukaku has been more public about being too good for us ( with Koeman saying the same ) than Barkley ever has .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 17, 2017, 06:39:28 PM
He's staying lids relax
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 17, 2017, 06:41:35 PM
The expectations on him were zero in comparison and he was and is being afforded the time to develop without much criticism as yet.

He was at least as good as barkley last season. A few years younger and we pay him a hell of a lot less. Barkley has been afforded time to develop. The issue is he hasn't developed
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 17, 2017, 06:47:42 PM
Do people really believe there's any chance of him staying (apart from to see out his last year) now? I'd be amazed. He'd have to go from asking for our biggest ever contract to accepting he's a squad player
Personally I think he's fucked. He's either not playing much football for a good team and that might include a year where he sits out completely, humbling himself by signing for us despite koemans apparent indifference or signing for West Ham or Newcastle

I think the reason there's no news is because he hates every option he now has
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on June 17, 2017, 08:07:18 PM
In reality looking at the new signings and potential new signings any half decent player (with a bit of fight )would want to stick around and fight for his place .....either that go bench sit for a top six, or be heaped on pressure wise. for  Newcastle or west ham relegation battles ....he should sign and fight here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 17, 2017, 08:18:29 PM
This thread is giving me repetitive stress disorder.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on June 17, 2017, 08:25:32 PM
Do people really believe there's any chance of him staying (apart from to see out his last year) now? I'd be amazed. He'd have to go from asking for our biggest ever contract to accepting he's a squad player
Personally I think he's fucked. He's either not playing much football for a good team and that might include a year where he sits out completely, humbling himself by signing for us despite koemans apparent indifference or signing for West Ham or Newcastle

I think the reason there's no news is because he hates every option he now has
It could be he is on holiday
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 17, 2017, 09:03:42 PM
Barkley's had his head turned but Koeman not blameless nobody should have known that he said "sign or be sold"
should have been in-house same as Lukaku spouting every time he went off on international duty, Barkley to be fair
hasn't gone public in the same way... Lukaku hasn't shut up for fukin yonks, Koeman played a blinder when he said he would have to
move on to better himself, fukin amazin comment....lessons all round to be had here.
  End of the day Ross has time to knuckle down an deliver on promise there's not an Evertonian that wouldn't love to see that surely.
     
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on June 17, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
I think in terms of his position, didn't Martinez say that it's better for Ross to have a free role so he can find space etc. Had this had a negative impact as he's not sure where his actual position is and he feels confused in what to do on the pitch and that's where the hesitation stems from? I could be talking absolute bollocks like. And I know it sounds like I'm Martinez bashing in every post but he has had a detrimental effect on Ross' development.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 17, 2017, 09:16:09 PM
 Barkley is undoubtedly skilful and on his day oozes class but in terms of football intelligence, Davies is University Challenge and Ross is Going for Gold.
Davies has flaws but you can see his eye for a pass when it's on, Barkley sees it a second or two later.
I hope he stays but the amount of humble pie he'll have to eat to do so means he'll be on a diet til after Christmas. He has been very badly advised imo.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 17, 2017, 09:28:04 PM
I think in terms of his position, didn't Martinez say that it's better for Ross to have a free role so he can find space etc. Had this had a negative impact as he's not sure where his actual position is and he feels confused in what to do on the pitch and that's where the hesitation stems from? I could be talking absolute bollocks like. And I know it sounds like I'm Martinez bashing in every post but he has had a detrimental effect on Ross' development.
super post ...well put....God he was a tosser
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 17, 2017, 09:47:33 PM
I think in terms of his position, didn't Martinez say that it's better for Ross to have a free role so he can find space etc. Had this had a negative impact as he's not sure where his actual position is and he feels confused in what to do on the pitch and that's where the hesitation stems from? I could be talking absolute bollocks like. And I know it sounds like I'm Martinez bashing in every post but he has had a detrimental effect on Ross' development.

To be fair to the clown, he only managed Barkley for less than 3 seasons. He can't have had so much of a negative impact on a lad who'd been playing the game for about 15 years before he even came along with his absolute nonsense.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 17, 2017, 09:54:25 PM
To be fair to the clown, he only managed Barkley for less than 3 seasons. He can't have had so much of a negative impact on a lad who'd been playing the game for about 15 years before he even came along with his absolute nonsense.
true but what a critical age to be to have that influence..it's a fukin wonder Martinez ever put his fukin
shoes on the right feet.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on June 17, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
That's why Barkley assisted the most and scored the most when Martinez was in charge. Barkley isn't professional enough is the problem. He isn't for enough and he doesn't have the stamina for the modern game.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 17, 2017, 11:40:01 PM
That's why Barkley assisted the most and scored the most when Martinez was in charge. Barkley isn't professional enough is the problem. He isn't for enough and he doesn't have the stamina for the modern game.
Fukin hell Martinez was was a football genius and i missed it all....bugger
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on June 17, 2017, 11:45:05 PM
Are we just glossing over that recent analysis that appeared to conclude that Barkley is a much more effective player than Sigurdsson?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on June 18, 2017, 12:33:02 AM
Are we just glossing over that recent analysis that appeared to conclude that Barkley is a much more effective player than Sigurdsson?
I understand Koeman's stance in a way but he could have been more of a diplomat with Barkley
after all he's been Mollie-coddled from an early age at Everton, i bet the dinner ladies gave him extra and all that,
he's still got time if he gets head down and grafts, it's swallow a bit of pre blurt for both of them and move on for the
greater good which is Everton  Fc
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: benny on June 18, 2017, 04:52:53 AM
i still wish and hope he stays as i think he will come good if we get realy good players around him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 18, 2017, 05:07:15 AM
Are we just glossing over that recent analysis that appeared to conclude that Barkley is a much more effective player than Sigurdsson?

Difference being one of them isn't signing the contract we've put on the table and the other one may well do.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 18, 2017, 07:00:07 AM
He was at least as good as barkley last season. A few years younger and we pay him a hell of a lot less. Barkley has been afforded time to develop. The issue is he hasn't developed

No the issue is that people blindly fall for young players and build them up to things that they are not.

Ross Barkley is a better footballer than Tom Davies, Ross Barkley can do things with a football that tom davies couldn't do in his wildest dreams.

However, tom fits the system. Tom plays simple passes and played them successfully. Ross invites pressure, plays difficult passes and tries to beat players 1 on 1, even when he then has to beat another and another until he loses it.

If tom ever gets 10 and 10 in the prem I'll eat my hat. He's a fucking brilliant player and I love him but people talking about 'x factor' and 'passion' and other shite - Ross can take a midfield out the game with a turn and burst of pace, or put it on a plate for the forward, or if he wants, put the ball in the top bin with either foot...he's a fucking fantastic player, and don't think he's not just because he's struggled for a year.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on June 18, 2017, 07:08:46 AM
No the issue is that people blindly fall for young players and build them up to things that they are not.

Ross Barkley is a better footballer than Tom Davies, Ross Barkley can do things with a football that tom davies couldn't do in his wildest dreams.

However, tom fits the system. Tom plays simple passes and played them successfully. Ross invites pressure, plays difficult passes and tries to beat players 1 on 1, even when he then has to beat another and another until he loses it.

If tom ever gets 10 and 10 in the prem I'll eat my hat. He's a fucking brilliant player and I love him but people talking about 'x factor' and 'passion' and other shite - Ross can take a midfield out the game with a turn and burst of pace, or put it on a plate for the forward, or if he wants, put the ball in the top bin with either foot...he's a fucking fantastic player, and don't think he's not just because he's struggled for a year.


Same could be said about Davies doing things Barkley could only dream of..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Thomas on June 18, 2017, 08:28:03 AM
No the issue is that people blindly fall for young players and build them up to things that they are not.

Ross Barkley is a better footballer than Tom Davies, Ross Barkley can do things with a football that tom davies couldn't do in his wildest dreams.

However, tom fits the system. Tom plays simple passes and played them successfully. Ross invites pressure, plays difficult passes and tries to beat players 1 on 1, even when he then has to beat another and another until he loses it.

If tom ever gets 10 and 10 in the prem I'll eat my hat. He's a fucking brilliant player and I love him but people talking about 'x factor' and 'passion' and other shite - Ross can take a midfield out the game with a turn and burst of pace, or put it on a plate for the forward, or if he wants, put the ball in the top bin with either foot...he's a fucking fantastic player, and don't think he's not just because he's struggled for a year.

Great post. At  Spurs he'd have fans fawning over him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on June 18, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
Great post. At  Spurs he'd have fans fawning over him.

While he signs autographs for them sitting in The stands next to them.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 18, 2017, 08:43:07 AM

Same could be said about Davies doing things Barkley could only dream of..

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ramjam on June 18, 2017, 09:00:31 AM
Nice goal, just not enough of em
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on June 18, 2017, 05:03:18 PM
When was the last time Barkley did anything like that?, he seems like he's taken that unpredictable part out his game. I'd obviously preferred he stayed though, no question. We need players.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on June 18, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
Yeah, you don't see him picking the ball up from deep and beating men anymore.

That part of his game has defo gone backwards.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gash on June 18, 2017, 05:28:01 PM
Ross can take a midfield out the game with a turn and burst of pace, or put it on a plate for the forward, or if he wants, put the ball in the top bin with either foot...he's a fucking fantastic player, and don't think he's not just because he's struggled for a year.

How often does he do all that though? It's rare that he does these things which is all the more frustrating as we know he can.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 18, 2017, 05:32:16 PM
How often does he do all that though? It's rare that he does these things which is all the more frustrating as we know he can.

Yeah but that's Martinez fault foe not being strict enough, oh no sorry it's Koemans fault for not rating him, or was it the fans fault for being on his back too much?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 18, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
Both could potentially turn into great players however the difference is you have to ask the question has Ross plateaued and if so why?

When Ross was at Davies' stage in his career he was doing what Tom is now. Was that just the enthusiasm of youth and lack of expectation?

In my opinion Ross could still be that player but he needs to address what goes on inbetween his ears. If ever a player was crying out for some kind of sports psychologist it's Ross. However Koeman strikes me as the kind of guy who would look upon that as mental weakness and deem him not good enough. I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 18, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
It's not a difficult one to work out, Ross is just too inconsistent with the basics, like keeping possession and following his man.

If he's played as a wing forward, then these shortcomings aren't terrible, but when he's playing central, the team really suffers.

I'd like him to stay and improve, but he has to sign the contract.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on June 18, 2017, 05:53:42 PM
Both could potentially turn into great players however the difference is you have to ask the question has Ross plateaued and if so why?

When Ross was at Davies' stage in his career he was doing what Tom is now. Was that just the enthusiasm of youth and lack of expectation?

In my opinion Ross could still be that player but he needs to address what goes on inbetween his ears. If ever a player was crying out for some kind of sports psychologist it's Ross. However Koeman strikes me as the kind of guy who would look upon that as mental weakness and deem him not good enough. I may be wrong.

I do think that Barkley has real problems with confidence.

This has culminated in him losing his identity as a player; as was rightly mentioned, he rarely drives from midfield beating players with his power and pace anymore.

He has been effected by having two contrasting managers, and this has messed with his head too.

I guess you have to question what we want from him.

I want him to drive, beat players, shoot more, look for forward passes, and press.

The trouble is, I'm not sure what Koeman instructs him to do (other than the preshing and forward pashes... sorry ☺️)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on June 18, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
I think this discussion illustrates the conundrum. Some people complain that he plays too safe these days and doesn't take enough risks, and others complain that he can't do the basics such as keeping possession.

Under Martinez and Koeman, he's been working with completely different football styles, and it's fucked with his head a bit, during his development. I get that people will say 'well, that's the same for all the players, but they seem to have managed fine, so why are we making an extra effort to explain Ross's situation'. To that I would say that he's quite an insecure person (seemingly), he's always been an instinctive player, and it's during the key years of his development. I just think he's probably received a lot of different messages from his managers, and that it might've confused the kind of player he is, or can become.

Under the right manager, whether that's with us or someone else, I think he could easily go to the next level.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 18, 2017, 06:07:41 PM
I do think that Barkley has real problems with confidence.

This has culminated in him losing his identity as a player; as was rightly mentioned, he rarely drives from midfield beating players with his power and pace anymore.

He has been effected by having two contrasting managers, and this has messed with his head too.

I guess you have to question what we want from him.

I want him to drive, beat players, shoot more, look for forward passes, and press.

The trouble is, I'm not sure what Koeman instructs him to do (other than the preshing and forward pashes... sorry ☺️)

I dn't think Koeman is asking for anything different than any other top flight manager asks from his supposed flair players. If he can't grasp Koeman's instructions he's even less chance of Pochettino's.

The issue as you say is Ross himself. Is he bright enough to grasp the nettle on this and take his game onto the next level. Plenty of players change managers, it shouldn't really affect your game any more than a few transitional months.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 18, 2017, 09:18:55 PM
I do stick up for him too much, especially with his apparent unwillingness to sign a contract.

I still believe in him. I think he's a mercurial talent with great physical attributes, and I'm desperate for him to succeed here, which is probably why I've got my blue lenses on when it comes to him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: van der Meyde on June 19, 2017, 12:39:38 AM
Interesting how much some people think the onus is on the player himself to improve.

I stick up for Barkley a lot and my take on it won't surprise many, but I generally think there's a shared responsibility between Barkley and Koeman. That's generally because I think it's unrealistic to expect every player to be able to analyse their games and their flaws and how they can improve. That's not a slight on Barkley's intelligence either, there are many great players - Keane and Bryan Robson to name two midfielders - who have failed at management. Sometimes you just don't have those analytical skills or need some objectivity.

Koeman is right to demand a higher workrate; but I think the responsibility is on Koeman is to teach Barkley where and how to press. Koeman is right to demand more goals from Barkley, but he also needs to sit Ross down and say "you could have shot here; when the ball was wide here you should have made a run into the box" etc.

I don't have any real faith that Martinez was doing a lot of that, instead preferring players to play on instinct. Or if he was, he wasn't very good at it. I suspect Koeman does a lot more of it, but he strikes me as someone with less patience than most.

Obviously it's up to Barkley to fulfil these demands, but I personally felt like I saw enough from him December to April - especially when he had better players round him - to make me think he's listening and trying.  If another year goes by and there was no improvement then fair  enough, fuck him off, but at this stage I'd be doing everything I can to tie him down for another few years.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 12:43:03 AM
Interesting how much some people think the onus is on the player himself to improve.

I stick up for Barkley a lot and my take on it won't surprise many, but I generally think there's a shared responsibility between Barkley and Koeman. That's generally because I think it's unrealistic to expect every player to be able to analyse their games and their flaws and how they can improve. That's not a slight on Barkley's intelligence either, there are many great players - Keane and Bryan Robson to name two midfielders - who have failed at management. Sometimes you just don't have those analytical skills or need some objectivity.

Koeman is right to demand a higher workrate; but I think the responsibility is on Koeman is to teach Barkley where and how to press. Koeman is right to demand more goals from Barkley, but he also needs to sit Ross down and say "you could have shot here; when the ball was wide here you should have made a run into the box" etc.

I don't have any real faith that Martinez was doing a lot of that, instead preferring players to play on instinct. Or if he was, he wasn't very good at it. I suspect Koeman does a lot more of it, but he strikes me as someone with less patience than most.

Obviously it's up to Barkley to fulfil these demands, but I personally felt like I saw enough from him December to April - especially when he had better players round him - to make me think he's listening and trying.  If another year goes by and there was no improvement then fair  enough, fuck him off, but at this stage I'd be doing everything I can to tie him down for another few years.

So you've got him on a last chance (1 more year) but we should do everything we can to tie him down to 4 or 5 years now to get it. 140k a week for 5 years but if he doesn't improve we want rid after 1.
Trying and listening maybe. He needs to be doing rather than be on a last chance before we pay him 7m a season
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: van der Meyde on June 19, 2017, 12:56:08 AM
So you've got him on a last chance (1 more year) but we should do everything we can to tie him down to 4 or 5 years now to get it. 140k a week for 5 years but if he doesn't improve we want rid after 1.
Trying and listening maybe. He needs to be doing rather than be on a last chance before we pay him 7m a season
I think his performances under Koeman indicate that he has listened though. He's improved his workrate considerably, he was generally running our attack well for the three month period we played well.

On a financial basis, as a home grown player which we would always by definition be able to sell at an accounting profit, I think it's much more sensible to keep him on the books at a £7m a year cost than to sign a player who isn't much of an upgrade, for example, Sigurddson at a reported £13m a year cost. Any comparable player we replace Barkley with is going to have a wage hit of £3-4m plus a year on wages with the addition of a transfer fee.

Get rid I'd probably harsher than I meant it because I already think he's a very good squad option for a top 8 side, but I wouldn't hold out any hope of him progressing after another year. Clubs like West Ham and Newcastle would still bite their hands off to sign him though, so your financial argument just doesn't wash with me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 19, 2017, 01:14:45 AM
He's 23 and has been a first team player for 4+ years and people are still waiting for him to fulfill his potential.  He's about 3-4 years behind in development so it would be no surprise is he's been offered a minimal contract. Perhaps he was given too much to soon.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2017, 01:55:23 AM
For all those who dislike/don't rate Barkley.

Which club do you think he'll be going to if he's sold?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 19, 2017, 02:05:56 AM
For all those who dislike/don't rate Barkley.

Which club do you think he'll be going to if he's sold?

I'd be OK if he stayed with us on a two year extension of his current contract. If he leaves then it's his choice if he wants money or wants to play. To get his career on track (because he's behind at the moment) then I think he would be best at Bournemouth. I'd be happy if it was just a loan but it's a bit embarrassing getting loaned out at 23.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 02:14:26 AM
For all those who dislike/don't rate Barkley.

Which club do you think he'll be going to if he's sold?

He'll either get a Perez type move on account of being cheap or he'll be playing at West Ham or Newcastle. He won't play much football for any of the top 7
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 19, 2017, 02:22:54 AM
For all those who dislike/don't rate Barkley.

Which club do you think he'll be going to if he's sold?

I don't think any fan dislikes him/doesn't rate him.

We all want him to do well, he's a homegrown lad and we want them to succeed more than most.

He's not at top 6 level, hence they're not banging down the door for him and he's not actually interesting too many others either.
We rate him higher than other teams do so it stands to reason he should stay and fight it out. Has he got the bottle for it, I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on June 19, 2017, 02:28:14 AM
I love Ross but if sold:

1)Spurs (decent team)
2)City (decent team)
3)Arsenal (decent team)

Or

World Cup year so he'll need "guaranteed" first team football:

1)Newcastle (decent manager)
2)West Ham (decent manager)
3)Southampton (will probably get a decent manager)

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 19, 2017, 02:35:30 AM
Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 19, 2017, 02:47:04 AM
I love Ross but if sold:

1)Spurs (decent team)
2)City (decent team)
3)Arsenal (decent team)

Or

World Cup year so he'll need "guaranteed" first team football:

1)Newcastle (decent manager)
2)West Ham (decent manager)
3)Southampton (will probably get a decent manager)

Sorry but he's getting nowhere near the Spurs starting 11.

Probably not even getting a place on Citys bench by the time they've spent up this summer.

Arsenal have enough of that type of player on the books already. Again,  wouldn't be a starter anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on June 19, 2017, 02:53:47 AM
For all those who dislike/don't rate Barkley.

Which club do you think he'll be going to if he's sold?

Stoke or West Ham
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2017, 02:57:32 AM
So if Stoke, West Ham, Bournemouth and Newcastle are the sort of teams going to be in for him then why isn't he just signing the contract Everton are giving him?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Silas on June 19, 2017, 02:58:11 AM
Bournemouth, Stoke or West Ham? Has everyone been sniffing fucking glue?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on June 19, 2017, 03:01:39 AM
If Ross signs for one of them, ask him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 19, 2017, 03:07:50 AM
Bournemouth, Stoke or West Ham? Has everyone been sniffing fucking glue?
Scary shit
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 19, 2017, 03:16:18 AM
Bournemouth, Stoke or West Ham? Has everyone been sniffing fucking glue?

People are sniffing glue if they think the likes of City and United would be interested  in him IMO.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 19, 2017, 03:16:24 AM
I think he could do a job coming off the bench for Fleetwood
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2017, 03:18:02 AM
Spurs would be interested on account of him being a midfielder.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 19, 2017, 03:18:40 AM
Well the question was asked.  If you don't like the responses then go and have a cry.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 19, 2017, 03:19:27 AM
Yeah it's not about crying it's just interesting isn't it. Such a divisive player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 19, 2017, 03:32:38 AM
Does anyone think that we have possibly offered him a pay CUT?  I very much doubt it.  Does he merit a significant wage INCREASE when he still struggles to hold down a first team spot (and that was last season before we have brought in more attackers/midfielders)?  The worst deal on offer is probably the same deal he has now.  But the reality is that he is going to find it harder next season to get into our starting 11 consistently, not easier.  That then makes it his choice.  Stay and fight for your place or leave.  We surely can't be offering 100k/week to a sub who might come good.  The contract is there.  It's on him.  He has to back himself and deliver.  And I'm tired of this narrative about needing an arm around the shoulder/personalised deveelopment plans etc.  At this level and at his age surely you have to be stronger and better than that. And this is his third (Everton) manager now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 19, 2017, 03:35:12 AM
So if Stoke, West Ham, Bournemouth and Newcastle are the sort of teams going to be in for him then why isn't he just signing the contract Everton are giving him?

Because he played his hand wanting more and koeman said I'm not right arsed 1 way or the other.

It's 1 hell of a climb down from I want to be Everton's highest ever earner to ill commit to being a squad player for a manager who's a bit indifferent to me. I think if he knew then what he knew now he'd had signed

Any side better than us and he'll barely play. His only options of first team regular football are outside the top 7
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: efcforlife on June 19, 2017, 03:44:24 AM
I've defended the lad constantly over the years.

I'm now at the point were I think the lad can fuck off.

Disrespectful idiot. Great contract on the table, supposedly a fucking Everton fan, fresh investment in his club. I'm sorry but fuck off
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Cozzie on June 19, 2017, 03:55:04 AM
I've defended the lad constantly over the years.

I'm now at the point were I think the lad can fuck off.

Disrespectful idiot. Great contract on the table, supposedly a fucking Everton fan, fresh investment in his club. I'm sorry but fuck off

I've felt this way for a while, a lot of this is partly down to me being one of the few on here that doesn't really rate him.

I don't think he is shit or anything I am just sick of hearing about this potential when he is nearly 24.

If he wasn't "one of our own" I think many others would have lost patience with him already.

I don't speak for everyone of course.

I gauruntee wherever he goes after us, IF he is to leave, his career will go on the slide.

I've also said time and again that if he goes we wont miss him anywhere near as much as people on here say we will, if anything I believe we will improve.

Koeman clearly doesn't fancy him, he gives zero fucks about sentimentality and I admire that.

He has told Ross how it is and after 3 years of getting away with it under Martinez he has clearly gotten the hump.

Koeman wants to play a certain way and I don't believe Ross is in his plans.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2017, 04:05:56 AM
This is why I can't understand why people don't think he's good enough.

https://twitter.com/squawka/status/876195499530887168
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on June 19, 2017, 04:10:15 AM
He might not have been offered the massive wages being touted around.  Thatd certainly explain why him or his people havent been shouting from the rooftops as they dont want to play their hand to other clubs who may offer more believing Everton have offered more?

Its the silence from both sides thats puzzling me now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: efcforlife on June 19, 2017, 04:18:16 AM
He might not have been offered the massive wages being touted around.  Thatd certainly explain why him or his people havent been shouting from the rooftops as they dont want to play their hand to other clubs who may offer more believing Everton have offered more?

Its the silence from both sides thats puzzling me now.

His form over his previous contract is not deserving of a "massive" pay rise so if what you say is true then it makes it all that bit worse IMO
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: efcforlife on June 19, 2017, 04:21:35 AM
This is why I can't understand why people don't think he's good enough.

https://twitter.com/squawka/status/876195499530887168

Such a misleading stat though.

What type of chances? Against who? Had we already lost the game?

Ross should be dominating games and dictating play and he doesn't.

I rate him highly but doing this with a contract makes him a shithouse. He's got his own mind and should not have let this happen.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: efcforlife on June 19, 2017, 04:26:32 AM
He should have signed the contract, got his head down and become the heartbeat of the "new Everton"... negotiate a short contract whilst he proves himself is he so wishes.

Instead he's chose to listen to some bellend(presumably) and become a money grabbing dickhead.

I hope to god I'm wrong but it's doing my nut in.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Silas on June 19, 2017, 04:33:05 AM
We don't know anything about the contract and he hasn't actually turned it down as yet. It's all dickheadery from the media and bizarrely from Everton. People keep saying they want him to succeed but those words sound very hollow to me on the back of a lot of the comments around him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on June 19, 2017, 04:51:40 AM
We don't know anything about the contract and he hasn't actually turned it down as yet. It's all dickheadery from the media and bizarrely from Everton. People keep saying they want him to succeed but those words sound very hollow to me on the back of a lot of the comments around him.

Well, not signing it when it's been on the table for a while, and still not signing it when your manager (for better or worse) gives you a deadline to sign it and it passes, is turning it down thus far.

And it puts the club in a weak, awkward, and embarrassing position.

And seeing as all of us are Everton fans more than we are Barkley fans, it stands to reason that most of us are feeling sore about this situation.

And I think you would find that the majority of us want him to succeed at Everton, and some of us will even want him to succeed if he moves on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 19, 2017, 05:02:13 AM
I don't see how it makes us look weak etc. As things stand we're carrying on without him. We have to behave as if he's leaving otherwise we could be short of squad numbers. At the moment he's being a pain in the arse by messing us about. The difference this time though is that we have the financial strength to cope/ignore it. He is not doing himself any favours at all and I find it odd that there's such little resentment about it actually.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 19, 2017, 05:11:49 AM
With so much silence since Koeman said a statement would be released (lol), you do have to wonder what's going on.

In the current climate of football, it's incredible that nothing is being leaked.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on June 19, 2017, 05:16:43 AM
I don't see how it makes us look weak etc. As things stand we're carrying on without him. We have to behave as if he's leaving otherwise we could be short of squad numbers. At the moment he's being a pain in the arse by messing us about. The difference this time though is that we have the financial strength to cope/ignore it. He is not doing himself any favours at all and I find it odd that there's such little resentment about it actually.

I think it feels well awkward and embarrassing, because he's one of us, and it looks to the outside world like he thinks he's too good for us.

That's the way a lot of non-Evertonians are talking about it anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bigmanbob on June 19, 2017, 02:47:19 PM
We don't know anything about the contract and he hasn't actually turned it down as yet. It's all dickheadery from the media and bizarrely from Everton. People keep saying they want him to succeed but those words sound very hollow to me on the back of a lot of the comments around him.
We know he was given a deadline to sign and that he didn't, we know Koeman doesn't do bullshit. We also know that if we cave into the slightest thing with Barkley and his (ill)advisors we look like absolute arseholes
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: howard1334 on June 19, 2017, 03:43:23 PM
Such a misleading stat though.

What type of chances? Against who? Had we already lost the game?

Ross should be dominating games and dictating play and he doesn't.

I rate him highly but doing this with a contract makes him a shithouse. He's got his own mind and should not have let this happen.

Its not really though. Those sort of questions can be asked of all footballers, and over the course of a 38 game season, such factors will generally average out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on June 19, 2017, 04:04:09 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he and the club have agreed to a final decision when he returns from holiday. Take a break, get your head around it and let us know first day back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 19, 2017, 04:13:02 PM
I wonder how much Southampton have to spend this summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shropshire Blue on June 19, 2017, 04:25:27 PM
I think it feels well awkward and embarrassing, because he's one of us, and it looks to the outside world like he thinks he's too good for us.

That's the way a lot of non-Evertonians are talking about it anyway.
I always accept that during the season the hype around the game and the thrill of going to see Everton is what it's all about. It's an escape into something between the experience of actually seeing and being part of something that is both emotionally captivating and exciting and real on the one hand and a fantasy world of all 'being one, loyalty, attachment etc on the other.
In summer I see only the hard reality of professional football. Players who are ambitious to win and want to earn as much as they can, clubs who have to run a business and balance the books and a media fighting to sell their stories to fans whose appetite for transfer news is insatiable.
We will be hurt and angry when a player dares to walk away from our club accusing him of being disloyal, greedy and worse. We'll replace him with someone who has walked away from  another club whose fans will see him as disloyal etc but we'll welcome him and expect him to kiss the badge and die for the club. Until his form drops and we want him to eff off!
Ross is a professional footballer who feels he is worth X pounds and is at a club who thinks he is worth Y pounds. He looks around at clubs in the CL and has to decide whether to go for that now or gamble he MIGHT get it with Everton. We need to be less emotional and more hard headed as fans in a transfer window!
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that whilst he is very very good I'm not sure he can step up to the pinacle of being great and he might find other clubs think that and they won't be beating down the door to get him. A sideways move - yes but a move to one of the very top clubs? Not sure. He could be still here with an injured ego come kick off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Alanvideo on June 19, 2017, 04:42:47 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he and the club have agreed to a final decision when he returns from holiday. Take a break, get your head around it and let us know first day back.
..................was just going to say something similar. The club will expect a decision when he gets back from Rhyl.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 19, 2017, 06:24:26 PM
..................was just going to say something similar. The club will expect a decision when he gets back from Rhyl.

Rhyl? No wonder he wants a pay rise.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 19, 2017, 06:37:09 PM
Rhyl? No wonder he wants a pay rise.

His mum is a home bird.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Nicco on June 19, 2017, 08:14:51 PM
I wonder how much Southampton have to spend this summer.
Depends on how much the shite spend.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: mikey_blue on June 20, 2017, 12:53:21 AM
Got text from my mate saying:

"My dads just told me, one of the girls we go the match with, her mate works at goodison. Word round them ways is Barkley signed his contract weeks ago but club doesn't want to announce it yet cos they're going about their business elsewhere"

Just chucking it in there, we all love a bit of speculation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Morta75 on June 20, 2017, 01:11:48 AM
If his mind is somwhere else, case in on him now when we can.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 20, 2017, 01:31:26 AM
Got text from my mate saying:

"My dads just told me, one of the girls we go the match with, her mate works at goodison. Word round them ways is Barkley signed his contract weeks ago but club doesn't want to announce it yet cos they don't want to ruin Koeman's holidays"

Just chucking it in there, we all love a bit of speculation.

Fixed ;D
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 20, 2017, 02:05:28 AM
My top bit of Barkley ITKing would be my Dad works with his Dad and he said hes off to City.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 20, 2017, 02:25:23 AM
My top bit of Barkley ITKing would be my Dad works with his Dad and he said hes off to City.


You get good deals on Fords?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Thornton_19 on June 20, 2017, 02:37:27 AM
You get good deals on Fords?
I would if i drove.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 20, 2017, 04:18:35 AM
I would love it if he came out and said "leave? Nah signed it weeks ago but I've been in Ibiza on the magic haven't i. is right Moshiri la seeyas next year blues 👍"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 20, 2017, 11:42:49 PM
Might need @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) help...but what the hell does that mean?....

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/877203704142856196
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 21, 2017, 12:11:59 AM
Might need @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) help...but what the hell does that mean?....

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/877203704142856196

So the outer and inner edge of each statistic represent the top and bottom 5% of average production across the big 5 leagues. So something like key passes Ross does remarkably well in when playing in that position, whereas through balls looks low (note: in my experience everyone looks to have low theoughballs except like iniesta or ozil or whoever, so you know.)

However, I'm still learning about these and I'm struggling to understand profiles and how different positions effect the radar you should aim for, the general rule is you want plenty of spike, but that's a massive over simplification.

It also doesn't mean that's what they're good or bad at, it just means what they've managed to do within a system in that position. If you played Messi at left back then Danny rose could look the more impressive player because he tackles and intercepts more etc.

Here's some examples that show elite players hitting top 5% out put numbers in important areas and making radars you can think of as archetypes or templates (attached).

So like obviously it is just a tool and it isn't definitive but it can give you an idea of a players strengths in different areas, and in my opinion I don't think Ross comes out of this particularly well, but you'd need someone with real experience to go into depth about what he should be hitting and why.


Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 21, 2017, 12:20:11 AM
Let's buy Fabregas, Reus and Hazard.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: kramer0 on June 21, 2017, 12:23:15 AM
Might need @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) help...but what the hell does that mean?....

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/877203704142856196

The two radars look at different sets of statistics, tailored to different positions. As @brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) said, the length of each slice is determined by percentiles (with the 5th percentile being the center and the 95th percentile being the outer edge).

The one on the left considers Ross as a deeper midfielder, which is a bit misleading because while he often drops deeper during build-ups, he doesn't spend a lot of time in that area. Ross has good key pass numbers relative to deeper midfielders (of course, because he predominantly played further forward) and he's a good dribbler for a deeper midfielder (which is genuinely true even if didn't play much in that area). He's a pretty good passer (passing ability, long balls) and he doesn't commit many fouls relative to people who play further back (because he didn't really defend in that area for us). His defensive output is terrible for a deeper midfielder, a combination of Ross being poor defensively and the fact that he didn't play where defensive/box-to-box midfielders typically play.

The one on the right considers him as an attacking midfielder/forward, which is closer to the role he actually played. His passing and chance creation numbers (key passes, expected assists, expected goal chain, passing ability) are middle of the road for a creative player and adding in shots and expected goals doesn't really make him look any more impressive. He's still a pretty good dribbler but gives the ball away a lot relative to other forwards and attacking midfielders.

I think what that post really highlights is that Ross doesn't have a well-defined position at the moment. If he could find better shooting opportunities and create better chances (or even more chances), he'd be a good PL attacking midfielder. If he could take better care of the ball and contribute more defensively, he'd probably be a lot like Mousa Dembele (an excellent PL midfielder, especially w/r/t retaining possession and carrying the ball forward). As is, he's a weird player and I understand why Koeman doesn't seem concerned with losing him. Another manager might believe he can work on the weaker points of Ross' game and turn him into a very good player, which would probably be the appeal for Pochettino.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: van der Meyde on June 21, 2017, 12:34:05 AM
Those radars are a fairly good tool for identifying underlying strengths and weaknesses. Some of the biggest things you can infer from Barkley's are that he doesn't get on the ball inside the box enough, he doesn't shoot enough and when he does shoot it's probably from outside the box instead of inside it. You'd probably also suggest from them that he loses the ball when dribbling than average.

I would probably caveat interpretation of them as his role changed a fair bit throughout the season. I'm not sure how changing from more of a wide forward to more of a central midfielder to more of a wide player with greater license to basically do whatever he wanted (in that post Christmas spell) would affect the overall averages?

Edit: And there goes @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) before I've bothered to post.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 21, 2017, 02:07:25 AM
So from all these graphs and statistical analysis the conclusion is we don't know what Ross' best position is.

Knock me down with a feather.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 21, 2017, 02:08:55 AM
So from all these graphs and statistical analysis the conclusion is we don't know what Ross' best position is.

Knock me down with a feather.

Or that when he plays AM he is pretty average and he gives the ball away too often....

Not like people haven't said that in the past  :whistle:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 22, 2017, 03:17:36 PM
Echo reprinting a Mirror story saying that Spurs have ended their interest in Barkley.

More than one part of that sentence to pick apart. But let's just take it as the start of media talk that Barkley may be staying/taking a step down in terms of the level of club he is playing at.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on June 22, 2017, 03:32:33 PM
Echo reprinting a Mirror story saying that Spurs have ended their interest in Barkley.

More than one part of that sentence to pick apart. But let's just take it as the start of media talk that Barkley may be staying/taking a step down in terms of the level of club he is playing at.

I still think his agent has been trying to call our bluff based on what Lukaku has been offered (and not signed).

Unfortunately for him (and us) his performances didn't match up to that despite a promising up turn from the start of the season.

Hopefully he'll sign now things have settled down.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on June 22, 2017, 03:35:00 PM
Echo reprinting a Mirror story saying that Spurs have ended their interest in Barkley.

More than one part of that sentence to pick apart. But let's just take it as the start of media talk that Barkley may be staying/taking a step down in terms of the level of club he is playing at.

They were only interested as they saw a chance at getting a good player for below his value.

These days a club like Spurs can justify spending 20/30mil on what would be a squad player
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 22, 2017, 03:54:40 PM
If he signs and then starts to deliver what his talent says he should be doing then everyone's a winner. We don't need the money so I'd rather he just pulled his finger out and rose to the challenge.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 22, 2017, 03:58:05 PM
I still think his agent has been trying to call our bluff based on what Lukaku has been offered (and not signed).

Unfortunately for him (and us) his performances didn't match up to that despite a promising up turn from the start of the season.

Hopefully he'll sign now things have settled down.

Have heard a rumour that he's had a foot out the door all summer, but nothing has materialised and it's starting to look a bit iffy for him.

Would be overjoyed if he signed personally.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
He's better than any squad player we could bring in as cover, maybe some competition in the squad might bring out the best of him, who knows.

I'm not overly convinced he's got it in him mentally, I've always been honest with that, getting dropped from England and Everton didn't really see any turnaround in form in the past. I suppose being surrounded by better quality players this season might make the difference.
I'm happy to give him a chance knowing that we now have to quality to replace him should he not hit the mark, last season we didn't really have that luxury.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 22, 2017, 04:10:55 PM
I still think he'll improve with better players around him. If Sandro is darting about all over the front line to drag defenders away from Lukaku/A.N.Other and Klaassan is making runs past him into the box he surely can't fail to either find space for himself to get on the scoresheet or pick up some more assists to increase his productivity.

He also surely has to, at some point, learn when to pick an early pass and when to hold onto the ball. You'd like to think that's one of the things the coaches have tried to and will continue to focus him on. It's all there for the lad if he wants it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2017, 04:19:32 PM
I still think he'll improve with better players around him. If Sandro is darting about all over the front line to drag defenders away from Lukaku/A.N.Other and Klaassan is making runs past him into the box he surely can't fail to either find space for himself to get on the scoresheet or pick up some more assists to increase his productivity.

He also surely has to, at some point, learn when to pick an early pass and when to hold onto the ball. You'd like to think that's one of the things the coaches have tried to and will continue to focus him on. It's all there for the lad if he wants it.

Can Klaassen and Barkley fit in to the same squad though?

You would think that Gueye and Schneiderlin wouldn't be dropped. Koeman likes to play 2 wide attacking forwards and a striker. So unless he's going to change tactics then I'm not sure how they will fit in together.

That said, we will (hopefully) have much more games this season, that might see a few different tactics/formations.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on June 22, 2017, 04:23:24 PM
Can Klaassen and Barkley fit in to the same squad though?

You would think that Gueye and Schneiderlin wouldn't be dropped. Koeman likes to play 2 wide attacking forwards and a striker. So unless he's going to change tactics then I'm not sure how they will fit in together.

That said, we will (hopefully) have much more games this season, that might see a few different tactics/formations.

We've been saying we wanted competition for places, so we shouldn't be afraid to have it. It should push both players to play better, and with many games to come and a home-grown quota to fulfil in the EL, having both Ross and Klaassen doesn't sound too bad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 22, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Can Klaassen and Barkley fit in to the same squad though?

You would think that Gueye and Schneiderlin wouldn't be dropped. Koeman likes to play 2 wide attacking forwards and a striker. So unless he's going to change tactics then I'm not sure how they will fit in together.

That said, we will (hopefully) have much more games this season, that might see a few different tactics/formations.

Barkley one side of a striker, Sandro or someone else on the other side and Klaassan just behind where Davies played last season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2017, 04:27:59 PM
We've been saying we wanted competition for places, so we shouldn't be afraid to have it. It should push both players to play better, and with many games to come and a home-grown quota to fulfil in the EL, having both Ross and Klaassen doesn't sound too bad.

I'm really happy with the competition, it's what we've been lacking.

I was more highlighting Lxxx comment, suggesting that Klaassen and Barkey would be on the same pitch at the same time. That would be an ideal scenario, but I'm not sure what tactics/formations we would have to play to facilitate that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 22, 2017, 04:28:07 PM
Can Klaassen and Barkley fit in to the same squad though?

You would think that Gueye and Schneiderlin wouldn't be dropped. Koeman likes to play 2 wide attacking forwards and a striker. So unless he's going to change tactics then I'm not sure how they will fit in together.

That said, we will (hopefully) have much more games this season, that might see a few different tactics/formations.
Klaasen will be in the middle, competition for gueye and schneirdelin and Davies I reckon

Barkley if he stayed woukd be in competition with Sandro if he signs, Deulefou if he stays and mirallas
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on June 22, 2017, 04:30:21 PM
I'm really happy with the competition, it's what we've been lacking.

I was more highlighting Lxxx comment, suggesting that Klaassen and Barkey would be on the same pitch at the same time. That would be an ideal scenario, but I'm not sure what tactics/formations we would have to play to facilitate that.

Yeah, probably not at the start of games but I'm sure that if Ross stays, there'll be plenty of occasions where one or the other will be brought on at the expense of a defensive mid.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2017, 04:32:28 PM
Klaasen will be in the middle, competition for gueye and schneirdelin and Davies I reckon

Barkley if he stayed woukd be in competition with Sandro if he signs, Deulefou if he stays and mirallas


I always thought Klaassen was more of an AM, that's why I think him and Ross will by competing for same position (based on last seasons formations anyway)

I could see Sandro playing as a wide forward, opposite side of Mirallas/ Deulofeu / whoever else we might sign.

Obviously up front we'd have Lukaku/someone else

As you said I think Schneiderlin/Gueye/Davies will all alternate throughout the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 22, 2017, 04:36:47 PM
I always thought Klaassen was more of an AM, that's why I think him and Ross will by competing for same position (based on last seasons formations anyway)

I could see Sandro playing as a wide forward, opposite side of Mirallas/ Deulofeu / whoever else we might sign.

Obviously up front we'd have Lukaku/someone else

As you said I think Schneiderlin/Gueye/Davies will all alternate throughout the season.
He is box to box I think with a good finish

Leaves us with 6 for 3 in the middle
Schneirdelin, Barry, besic, gueye, klaasen and Davies

5 for 3 up top

Up top could be thin tho if lukaku Barkley and Deulefou leave
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 22, 2017, 04:40:25 PM
He is box to box I think with a good finish

Leaves us with 6 for 3 in the middle
Schneirdelin, Barry, besic, gueye, klaasen and Davies

5 for 3 up top

Up top could be thin tho if lukaku Barkley and Deulefou leave

Seven for 3 if you count McCarthy. He's still here but I'd rather £20m in the kitty of we can get it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 22, 2017, 04:46:34 PM
Seven for 3 if you count McCarthy. He's still here but I'd rather £20m in the kitty of we can get it.
I knew I'd miss someone out!!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on June 22, 2017, 04:47:56 PM
God I hope we've seen the last of 4-2-3-1
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 22, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
Shit missed off Dcl and lookman so it's 7 for 3 up top
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on June 22, 2017, 04:51:18 PM
Ladies and Gentleman, it looks like we may have an actual, decent squad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2017, 04:54:34 PM
It's not looking bad is it.

You would think that a few more attacking players will sign, as well as a CB too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Cereal Killer on June 22, 2017, 04:57:10 PM
God I hope we've seen the last of 4-2-3-1

If we ended up with:

                Pickford
Coleman Jags (or another) Keane Baines
          Gana Schneiderlin
                 Klaassen
      Dembele Lukaku Sandro

Bench - Stek, Holgate, Williams, FM, Barry, Davies, Barkley, Mirallas, Bolasie, DCL, Lookman
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2017, 05:03:00 PM
Could end up playing 3 at CB, making more use of wing backs, have only 1 DM and have 2 strikers
Kind of a 3-2-1-2-2
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 22, 2017, 05:07:12 PM
If we ended up with:

                Pickford
Coleman Jags (or another) Keane Baines
          Gana Schneiderlin
                 Klaassen
      Dembele Lukaku Sandro

Bench - Stek, Holgate, Williams, FM, Barry, Davies, Barkley, Mirallas, Bolasie, DCL, Lookman

Your bench would have to be one of them really long ones you used to have to sit on in assembly in primary school.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 22, 2017, 06:32:13 PM
Your bench would have to be one of them really long ones you used to have to sit on in assembly in primary school.


Posh bastard.
We had to sit on the floor.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 22, 2017, 06:50:08 PM
Ron seems to like the 433.

I wouldn't mind seeing this first game of the season...

Pickford

Kenny Keane Smalling Baines

Gana Schniederlin Klaassen

Dembele Lukaku Sandro

:)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 22, 2017, 07:37:12 PM
Ron seems to like the 433.

I wouldn't mind seeing this first game of the season...

Pickford

Kenny Keane Smalling Baines

Gana Schniederlin Klaassen

Dembele Lukaku Sandro

:)

You were doing so well until you picked Smalling :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 22, 2017, 07:40:51 PM
You were doing so well until you picked Smalling :)

Hey, it's still a work in progress :)

Well, I haven't seen us linked with anyone else other than Keane. He's not bad, he's better than we have. Better than Williams for a start.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 22, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
Hey, it's still a work in progress :)

Well, I haven't seen us linked with anyone else other than Keane. He's not bad, he's better than we have. Better than Williams for a start.

If you wanted to be cheeky, should have put in Holgate!  Though agree, Smalling might be reasonably decent.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on June 22, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
Always fun to predict an exciting starting 11 for first game.

                Pickford
Kenny    Lemos   Keane    Baines

   Gana   Schiederlin  Klaassen

  Sigurdsson    Sandro   Lookman
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 22, 2017, 08:22:39 PM
Always fun to predict an exciting starting 11 for first game.

                Pickford
Kenny    Lemos   Keane    Baines

   Gana   Schiederlin  Klaassen

  Sigurdsson    Sandro   Lookman


That front line looks weak though, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Hesmenos on June 22, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
Nobody has Rooney in their lineup??? :whistle: :angel:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: chang on June 22, 2017, 08:44:36 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/10923544/tottenham-to-wait-for-ross-barkley-transfer-fee-to-be-lowered-by-everton
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 22, 2017, 08:46:27 PM
Go on then

                 Pickford
Kenny Williams Keane Baines
          Gueye Schneiderlin
                 Klaassen
Sigurdsson Dembele Sandro

Stek, Lemos, Mori, Barkley, Giroud/Modeste, Mirallas, Davies
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 22, 2017, 08:50:11 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/10923544/tottenham-to-wait-for-ross-barkley-transfer-fee-to-be-lowered-by-everton

Yeah, he's not worth 50 million even if he had a 3 year contract.

Be lucky to get 25 million at present.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: formerKHL on June 22, 2017, 09:12:15 PM
don't think he'll be going anywhere...yet....

can see him signing a new contract soon...

watch this space...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 22, 2017, 09:42:24 PM
No point pretending lads:

             Pickford
Martina Jags Williams Baines
       Gana Schneiderlin
            Klaassen
Mirallas                 Sandro
              Niasse
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on June 22, 2017, 10:06:38 PM
Pickford

Kenny Keane Smalling Baines

Gana Schneiderlin
Klaasen

Sandro Sigurdsson
Dembele

* New LB required, Baines cant play twice per week, Kenny RB until coleman back with Martina/Holgate as cover

* Hopefully Barkley stays can switch with sigurdsson/Klassen/Davies or sandro in that position, with Lookman & Mirallas as options off the bench and in europe

* Dembele/Sandro as number 9, With DCL as 3rd choice

* Bring in Smalling & Keane as new CB partnership, williams/Mori/Holgate as cover
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on June 22, 2017, 10:20:04 PM
Always fun to predict an exciting starting 11 for first game.

                Pickford
Kenny    Lemos   Keane    Baines

   Gana   Schiederlin  Klaassen

  Sigurdsson    Sandro   Lookman


I rather like that.  Lemos AND Keane, in particular gives me chills.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 22, 2017, 11:00:54 PM
Reckon it will be

Pickford
Curacao Keane Williams Baines
Gueye schneirdelin klaasen
Sandro lukaku Barkley
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on June 22, 2017, 11:04:27 PM
Reckon it will be

Pickford
Curacao Keane Williams Baines
Gueye schneirdelin klaasen
Sandro lukaku Barkley

First game of the PL season I wouldnt be surprised if that was it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 23, 2017, 12:16:40 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/10923544/tottenham-to-wait-for-ross-barkley-transfer-fee-to-be-lowered-by-everton

Not Bournemouth?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on June 23, 2017, 12:35:19 AM
Reckon it will be

Pickford
Curacao Keane Williams Baines
Gueye schneirdelin klaasen
Sandro lukaku Barkley


I heard that Curacao is a blue?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bacon sarnie on June 23, 2017, 12:38:36 AM
Davies and those around him will do.

Start Lukaku & Barkley on the bench.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 23, 2017, 12:44:09 AM
Always fun to predict an exciting starting 11 for first game.

                Pickford
Kenny    Lemos   Keane    Baines

   Gana   Schiederlin  Klaassen

  Sigurdsson    Sandro   Lookman


Have a Cool and a Like for having Lemos in there!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on June 23, 2017, 01:05:38 AM
I heard that Curacao is a blue?

This went under appreciated...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 23, 2017, 02:43:33 AM
https://twitter.com/AlexYale_/status/877970295990046720

The comments 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 23, 2017, 02:45:39 AM
:(
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 23, 2017, 02:48:57 AM
https://twitter.com/AlexYale_/status/877970295990046720

The comments 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

 Fan Meltdown if legit.

But it tells me that something seriously bad has happened between him and the club if true.

 :'(
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 23, 2017, 02:57:53 AM
Didn't even know he had Everton tattoos. Apparently he's been getting his whole sleeve removed for some time?

Obviously planning a big Sullivan and Gold portrait piece.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 23, 2017, 02:59:07 AM
Didn't even know he had Everton tattoos. Apparently he's been getting his whole sleeve removed for some time?

Obviously planning a big Sullivan and Gold portrait piece.
Neither did i
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on June 23, 2017, 02:59:41 AM
That front line looks weak though, doesn't it?

Lookman is going to win young player of the year award and get 15 assists. Sandro is gonna get 25 goals. Have some faith, man.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on June 23, 2017, 02:59:51 AM
Didn't even know he had Everton tattoos. Apparently he's been getting his whole sleeve removed for some time?

Obviously planning a big Sullivan and Gold portrait piece.
its the date of his debut
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on June 23, 2017, 03:01:45 AM
Go on then

                 Pickford
Kenny Williams Keane Baines
          Gueye Schneiderlin
                 Klaassen
Sigurdsson Dembele Sandro

Stek, Lemos, Mori, Barkley, Giroud/Modeste, Mirallas, Davies

Modeste only makes the bench but just sealed a 35 million pound move to China.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 23, 2017, 03:01:54 AM
Fan Meltdown if legit.

But it tells me that something seriously bad has happened between him and the club if true.

 :'(


I guess we'll have to wait for his memoirs to find out what happened.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 23, 2017, 03:03:16 AM
its the date of his debut

Just looked it up then, yeah he had numerals of his debut and a load of mad Chinese symbols and Mexican skulls and other stuff young lads get.

He's removed the lot so it's not like he's just 'wino forever'-ed the Everton bit.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue slug on June 23, 2017, 03:06:39 AM
I'm at least excited by all the possible comings and goings and that makes a nice change
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 23, 2017, 03:17:21 AM
Lookman is going to win young player of the year award and get 15 assists. Sandro is gonna get 25 goals. Have some faith, man.

I guess it's going to take some getting used to Rom not leading the line.

How much better would this be:

Dembele Rom Sandro

;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 23, 2017, 03:22:55 AM
Breaking news: Young lad regrets shit tattoo but fortunately has the funds to be able to get it removed unlike most others who are stuck with theirs
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tony Clifton on June 23, 2017, 03:24:12 AM
Fan Meltdown if legit.

But it tells me that something seriously bad has happened between him and the club if true.

 :'(


Hearing Bill touched his winky.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: formerKHL on June 23, 2017, 03:36:40 AM
This typifies the shit that gets made up by internet dicks...

He got his sleeve removed sometime back hence why he always wears long sleeves...

Oh..and the debut tatt is on the other arm the one you can't see in the picture..

Ffs
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 23, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
Modeste only makes the bench but just sealed a 35 million pound move to China.

Ah shit
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Hawkandro on June 23, 2017, 03:26:37 PM
To be honest, the fact he no longer has a shit sleeve tattoo leads me to feel we need to offer him £200,000kpw, a contract for life and to make him the captain. I hate shitty sleeve tattoos that all footballers seem to have.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Fynci on June 23, 2017, 03:32:57 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/10/article-0-1E9AD53A00000578-878_634x857.jpg)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bwana on June 23, 2017, 05:03:40 PM
I guess we'll have to wait for his memoirs to find out what happened.

"I asksed Evrtun more money. They gaved too little. I was a World Star, worth 200k/week. The gaffer told me not to run sideways wit the ball. My game is running sideways wit the ball. Lousy gaffer, not good. I threwed my toys out of the pram. Lousy Evrtun."
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: formerKHL on June 23, 2017, 05:06:48 PM
"I asksed Evrtun more money. They gaved too little. I was a World Star, worth 200k/week. The gaffer told me not to run sideways wit the ball. My game is running sideways wit the ball. Lousy gaffer, not good. I threwed my toys out of the pram. Lousy Evrtun."

Guess how we can tell your a kopite ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bwana on June 23, 2017, 05:09:05 PM
Guess how we can tell your a kopite ?

Guess how wrong you are.

Seriously, the boy is thick. And overrated.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: formerKHL on June 23, 2017, 05:30:38 PM
Guess how wrong you are.

Seriously, the boy is thick. And overrated.

I probably am wrong you being on an everton forum, but the "jest" was made towards that lot over there and their following..

However, your personal attack on Barkley is unfounded, unless of course you know the lad personally....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bwana on June 23, 2017, 05:36:01 PM
I probably am wrong you being on an everton forum, but the "jest" was made towards that lot over there and their following..

However, your personal attack on Barkley is unfounded, unless of course you know the lad personally....

Well... look at the situation he has played himself in. Looks really smart, doesn't it? One can actually draw conclusions of someone's cognitive abilities by just following their actions you know...

Anyways, you clearly do have a different opinion of him and so be it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 23, 2017, 05:59:58 PM
Well... look at the situation he has played himself in. Looks really smart, doesn't it? One can actually draw conclusions of someone's cognitive abilities by just following their actions you know...

Anyways, you clearly do have a different opinion of him and so be it.

Could all be from Ross's agent or management team or something so can't really level that at him either unless we know what happened.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on June 23, 2017, 06:13:07 PM
we don't know what's gone on, badly advised? Not in Koeman's long term plans?, if Ron doesn't fancy someone they are usually out soon rather than later,  sure if will all come to a conclusion soon
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: formerKHL on June 23, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
Well... look at the situation he has played himself in. Looks really smart, doesn't it? One can actually draw conclusions of someone's cognitive abilities by just following their actions you know...

Anyways, you clearly do have a different opinion of him and so be it.

So you don't actually know the lad then do you?...yet you judge him by his "actions" and "the situation he has played himself in" on this basis you deem him "thick"....don't forget RK's role in Barkleys "actions"....or is he "thick" also...?

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bigmanbob on June 23, 2017, 07:34:04 PM
This place has gone a bit mental over the last few days, all over a signing. Madness
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: formerKHL on June 23, 2017, 07:43:52 PM
17 pages of speculative madness in fact...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gash on June 23, 2017, 08:49:04 PM
17 pages of speculative madness in fact...

It's a forum, people discuss and speculate about things. You seem to spend more time moaning about the forum and people on it than actually contributing anything worthwhile, if you don't like it don't come on, no one's forcing you to.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 23, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
It's a forum, people discuss and speculate about things. You seem to spend more time moaning about the forum and people on it than actually contributing anything worthwhile, if you don't like it don't come on, no one's forcing you to.

You need to give formerKHL a sock so he can be a free elf
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 23, 2017, 08:56:12 PM
Heavily discussed on Talksport today.

Had a few Spurs fans call up and a few blues. 1 Spurs fan was keen on him coming, thought he'd be a good fit. The others thought he didn't have the right attitude and isn't good enough and would only warm their bench.

The Everton fans all said similar to what a lot of people have said, just that he isn't good enough, not arsed if he goes but wish him the best of luck.

Shame really.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: formerKHL on June 23, 2017, 09:04:23 PM
It's a forum, people discuss and speculate about things. You seem to spend more time moaning about the forum and people on it than actually contributing anything worthwhile, if you don't like it don't come on, no one's forcing you to.

I actually enjoy reading the posts

I don't moan about the forum and the people on it I just don't suffer fools lightly...and like you say it's a forum so am I not allowed my opinion ? whether that be on the posts.posters or topics....

You have to admit some of the crap spewed on here is really poor.....Football manager has a lot to answered for...everyones now na expert coach manager and agent...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gash on June 23, 2017, 09:08:04 PM
I actually enjoy reading the posts

I don't moan about the forum and the people on it I just don't suffer fools lightly...and like you say it's a forum so am I not allowed my opinion ? whether that be on the posts.posters or topics....

You have to admit some of the crap spewed on here is really poor.....Football manager has a lot to answered for...everyones now na expert coach manager and agent...

A lot of irony going on in this post. ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: formerKHL on June 23, 2017, 09:16:07 PM
 nod nod..you got it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on June 24, 2017, 09:40:50 PM
This latest FIFA is just too realistic.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170624/590a98686f46cc50ed5e3a6c85ff9ebf.jpg)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ChuckMorris84 on June 24, 2017, 09:52:16 PM
This latest FIFA is just too realistic.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170624/590a98686f46cc50ed5e3a6c85ff9ebf.jpg)

Shame he'll never fulfill his potential like he does on FIFA!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on June 25, 2017, 01:55:25 AM
So the S*n and sport witness reporting Ross wants to leave to revive his England career .....will it be from the bench of a top six team or for West ham or Newcastle fighting relagation ...I know where my money is going ...
On no more appearances this year at least for England...my bookie is shit only give me evens 😅😅
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 25, 2017, 03:53:53 AM
The "source" is the shitbag.  Other reports just report their "report". No further comment needed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on June 25, 2017, 04:17:33 AM
So the S*n and sport witness reporting Ross wants to leave to revive his England career .....will it be from the bench of a top six team or for West ham or Newcastle fighting relagation ...I know where my money is going ...
On no more appearances this year at least for England...my bookie is shit only give me evens 😅😅

I don't know, I started to already hear the pundit backlash during the last England game of how useful Barkley would be because he offers something different.

Probably fits the narrative of move Everton player on, give him a recall.

Baines got hung out to dry during the World Cup in the wake of not following Moyes to United.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2017, 05:27:16 AM
Barkley had 10 goals 10 assists the year before last, and he still spent a year in solitude from the national team. After a poor year he's not even on the radar.

But, he starts 10 games for city or Tottenham he's in the squad no problem.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on June 25, 2017, 05:30:32 AM
Barkley had 10 goals 10 assists the year before last, and he still spent a year in solitude from the national team. After a poor year he's not even on the radar.

But, he starts 10 games for city or Tottenham he's in the squad no problem.

so true
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2017, 05:41:31 AM
Imagine you create more chances than any English midfielder over the course of a year and still don't make the squad.

The English national side has long made the decision to play a big team player out of position over an unfashionable team's player in the correct position.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Dr. Sponge on June 25, 2017, 05:59:14 AM
Imagine you create more chances than any English midfielder over the course of a year and still don't make the squad.

The English national side has long made the decision to play a big team player out of position over an unfashionable team's player in the correct position.

I agree, this annoys me. But they'll do that partly because they deem the players playing for the higher placed clubs to have a better winning mentality. Also partly because they're idiots.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on June 25, 2017, 06:18:07 AM
Barkley had 10 goals 10 assists the year before last, and he still spent a year in solitude from the national team. After a poor year he's not even on the radar.

But, he starts 10 games for city or Tottenham he's in the squad no problem.
He won't start/play ten games any where above us in the league it's a pipe dream of his management team.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 25, 2017, 06:20:21 AM
I agree, this annoys me. But they'll do that partly because they deem the players playing for the higher placed clubs to have a better winning mentality. Also partly because they're idiots.
I'd say it's 100% because they're idiots
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on June 25, 2017, 11:28:21 AM
If true... he's making a career ending decision. He's bottled it because he's facing competition which, whilst sad, shows a lack of character which perhaps Koeman spotted early... he won't make the England team playing for clubs below us.
He will regret this... but I wish him well.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on June 25, 2017, 01:15:18 PM
Imagine you create more chances than any English midfielder over the course of a year and still don't make the squad.

The English national side has long made the decision to play a big team player out of position over an unfashionable team's player in the correct position.

Probably true but think of all the England games where he has been an unused sub, wonder if that's down to his performances in training gelling with the team.  Perhaps the things we get frustrating with like holding on to the ball for too long or playing the wrong pass is highlighted more in the national squad. Could be wrong but if Barkley did the right things more often, I can't see how he wouldn't be in the England first 11.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Silas on June 25, 2017, 01:18:13 PM
Nah I just reckon Gareth Southgate is a useless cunt
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ramjam on June 25, 2017, 01:31:38 PM
Nah I just reckon Gareth Southgate is a useless cunt

He will be sacked after the WC in Russia
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on June 25, 2017, 01:43:09 PM
Imagine you create more chances than any English midfielder over the course of a year and still don't make the squad.

The English national side has long made the decision to play a big team player out of position over an unfashionable team's player in the correct position.

Jake Livermore's getting picked ahead of him. Jake Fucking Livermore.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 25, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
Jake Livermore's getting picked ahead of him. Jake Fucking Livermore.

I would laugh at this.

If I wasn't crying at this.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 25, 2017, 03:38:33 PM
Successive England managers just don't rate him and they all can't be using the reason, subconsciously or not, that he doesn't play for a top 6 side. As evidenced with Jake fuckin Livermore.

Top 6 managers similarly aren't falling over themselves to sign a top English talent at a knockdown price and the manager of the 7th best team seemingly isn't fussed if he stays or goes.

Do we rate Barkley higher than his talent suggests because he is one of ours? I know these impressive stats keep getting trotted out about him but everyone else in football can't be wrong and only a select group of Everton fans right can they?

Just playing devils advocate as I'd like him to stay and kick on but are we a little blinded because we want him to succeed so much, with us.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 25, 2017, 03:47:40 PM

Just playing devils advocate as I'd like him to stay and kick on but are we a little blinded because we want him to succeed so much, with us.


Just taking this a step further...

Do people think that if he does stay - could the improved quality of the team around him be the missing ingredient he's needed to fulfill this potential so many of us believe he has?

Personally - I think it could.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 25, 2017, 06:06:36 PM
Just taking this a step further...

Do people think that if he does stay - could the improved quality of the team around him be the missing ingredient he's needed to fulfill this potential so many of us believe he has?

Personally - I think it could.


I don't think so. He had quality players around him for England, but rarely shone. Granted he's not had a run in the team. I think we both need to part ways. He's gone stale here.

I read one article that he;s handed a transfer request in. Probably not true, but the sooner he and Lukaku are done and out the club, the better.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Alanvideo on June 25, 2017, 06:16:29 PM
Just taking this a step further...

Do people think that if he does stay - could the improved quality of the team around him be the missing ingredient he's needed to fulfill this potential so many of us believe he has?

Personally - I think it could.

..........I really want him to stay ,settle his differences with Koeman and compete for a place.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shropshire Blue on June 25, 2017, 06:31:01 PM
It's a bit ironic that Ross seemed to be leading all this and many were really worried about his loss to us.  3 months on and Ross is being left behind and becoming an irrelevance. I can't see a 'better' move for him career wise (excluding financial as he should be rich enough by now to have trophies as his priority not money) as apart from half hearted interest from Spurs there's barely been even media speculation about where he might go in terms of a 'big' club. He'd walk into any side below us but for him that's likely to be just deja vu.
His most immediate risk is suffering serious injury to his ego.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: plumber on June 25, 2017, 06:38:49 PM
Barkley not playing for a flashy club surely is not the reason England managers don't rate him.
Redmond, Antonio, Bertrand, Livermore, Ward-Prowse, Keane, 50 year old Defoe... Should I continue?

And sitting on the Tottenham's bench definitely won't increase his chances.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 25, 2017, 06:47:30 PM
Still believe he's better than sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Alanvideo on June 25, 2017, 06:52:17 PM
Still believe he's than sigurdsson.
..............better ? so do I.
Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 25, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
I read one article that he;s handed a transfer request in. Probably not true, but the sooner he and Lukaku are done and out the club, the better.

I think this is more press imagining. The only article I've seen saying that was the Metro, listed as Arsenal News, claiming the shitbag reported it. But the shitbag article, while usual bollocks assertions, contained no mention of any actual request, just statements about what Barkley supposedly wants.

Personally I'm not sure Ross knows what he wants. Except possibly to be the focus of less speculation by a rag that called him a stupid ape and yet still sparks debate about him in his home town?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 25, 2017, 07:10:28 PM
I think this is more press imagining. The only article I've seen saying that was the Metro, listed as Arsenal News, claiming the shitbag reported it. But the shitbag article, while usual bollocks assertions, contained no mention of any actual request, just statements about what Barkley supposedly wants.

Personally I'm not sure Ross knows what he wants. Except possibly to be the focus of less speculation by a rag that called him a stupid ape and yet still sparks debate about him in his home town?

I think it was the Metro I saw it on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 25, 2017, 07:11:55 PM
Just taking this a step further...

Do people think that if he does stay - could the improved quality of the team around him be the missing ingredient he's needed to fulfill this potential so many of us believe he has?

Personally - I think it could.

I thought he played very well during out purple patch in the new year, with the emergence of Tom. Perhaps the contract discussion and the teams general ease off in pressure meant it didn't flourish, but with more motivated and hungry players beside and in front I can see him kicking on.

I do have to accept Lxxx's point and admit I may be wearing the old Blue shades.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: starblood on June 25, 2017, 07:55:48 PM
Jake Livermore's getting picked ahead of him. Jake Fucking Livermore.
I miss the point of this. Jake Livermore is a completely different player than Ross. He's a bona fide central midfielder as far as I'm aware, and that is where he played for England. Barkley has occupied that role very rarely for us in the last 4-5 years, Livermore does it week in, week out.

It's Dele Ali who is being picked ahead of Barkley. As is Lallana, Lingard, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Sterling.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 25, 2017, 07:58:01 PM
Fucking Lingard
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: starblood on June 25, 2017, 08:06:00 PM
Fucking Lingard

It's the more cogent argument  :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluebridge on June 25, 2017, 08:10:57 PM
I miss the point of this. Jake Livermore is a completely different player than Ross. He's a bona fide central midfielder as far as I'm aware, and that is where he played for England. Barkley has occupied that role very rarely for us in the last 4-5 years, Livermore does it week in, week out.

It's Dele Ali who is being picked ahead of Barkley. As is Lallana, Lingard, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Sterling.

That bit there says a lot, how much longer will it take, he should be owning it on the pich now. As much as I like him and want him to come good, I just think it's never going to happen, with us anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: toshyboy on June 25, 2017, 08:18:23 PM
It's all about the work rate with him I think. We'll all know about his talent and technical ability, but he's not exactly a team worker and doesn't press etc. You have to be a truly exceptional player to get away with that these days, as all the best teams are big on work rate and pressing etc. People like dele alli I don't think are technically as good as Ross, but they're more of a "complete package", so far more consistently effective on a game. Was interesting reading all the interviews about klaasen when he signed and how much he likes to press - exactly what Koeman wants.

He's certainly got the ability to be a top player Ross, but I don't think he has the tactical discipline
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on June 25, 2017, 08:18:29 PM
I don't think so. He had quality players around him for England, but rarely shone. Granted he's not had a run in the team. I think we both need to part ways. He's gone stale here.

I read one article that he;s handed a transfer request in. Probably not true, but the sooner he and Lukaku are done and out the club, the better.

What quality players play for England? Or at least play well for England?

I'd argue he's played better in his opportunities than Dele Alli. The latter has been better in the league but never really translated that to international form.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 25, 2017, 08:20:07 PM
What quality players play for England? Or at least play well for England?

I'd argue he's played better in his opportunities than Dele Alli. The latter has been better in the league but never really translated that to international form.

More than play for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 25, 2017, 08:20:35 PM
It's the more cogent argument  :)

It is but the selection of Jake Livermore, a more average player you're unlikely to see, dispels the often quoted myth that Ross would get picked more often if he played for one of the top 6.   
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on June 25, 2017, 08:21:14 PM
He will be sacked after the WC in Russia

Nah, he'll be crap in Russia but crappy England managers are always given a couple of tournaments to underline just how crap they are, before they are eventually sacked. Possibly after being given a third tournament and being crap in that too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on June 25, 2017, 08:24:06 PM
More than play for us.

Bigger names, not significantly better players for the most part.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on June 25, 2017, 08:24:33 PM
Jake Livermore's getting picked ahead of him. Jake Fucking Livermore.

Play in different positions to be fair.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on June 25, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
The livermancspurs England squad is crap and he still cant get a game .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on June 25, 2017, 08:27:06 PM
What quality players play for England? Or at least play well for England?

I'd argue he's played better in his opportunities than Dele Alli. The latter has been better in the league but never really translated that to international form.

Oh dear. I love Barkley but Alli is miles better than him. The reason he stands head and shoulders above him apart from goals, is decision making and awareness.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on June 25, 2017, 08:43:25 PM
Oh dear. I love Barkley but Alli is miles better than him. The reason he stands head and shoulders above him apart from goals, is decision making and awareness.

I made a distinction between league and international form. Alli has been poor for England. I'm not even sure he's had a good 90 mins yet. Tell me a game he's been dominant for England.

Players who are superior in the league aren't always able to translate that form to the international stage and too often those same players will keep getting picked because there will be an outcry if they're dropped, they play for a bigger team, they're clearly the "better" player argument will surface. We repeat this problem so many times for England.

In fact I'll go one step further with Alli, I don't think he's been able to take his PL form to European competition either. He was pretty poor in both their CL games and Europa League. He's still got a lot to prove. I'm not saying he won't get there, but right now he's not done much to cement his England place.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 25, 2017, 08:46:35 PM
Oh dear, the Alli v Barkley debate again.  :headbang:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on June 25, 2017, 08:52:17 PM
Oh dear, the Alli v Barkley debate again.  :headbang:

Dude, it's a forum. It was a small point. It's Sunday, there's no football. Just scroll past.

EDIT: never mind, that was unnecessarily tetchy of me. Woke up way too early today.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 25, 2017, 08:59:53 PM
Oh dear, the Alli v Barkley debate again.  :headbang:
There are two certainties in human society. Forming tribes and dancing in repeated circles.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 25, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
It's not a debate though is it.

@blueToffee (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=197) is saying Alli hasn't been anywhere near as good for England as he has been for Spurs.

He's not saying Barkley is a better player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: t2487 on June 25, 2017, 10:09:07 PM
Why in God's name has he had his tattoos removed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Hesmenos on June 25, 2017, 10:23:37 PM
Why in God's name has he had his tattoos removed.
He needs the space to fit "West Bromwich Albion"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2017, 12:47:26 AM
Why in God's name has he had his tattoos removed.

Bobby Moore lifting the '66 jules remet couldn't fit otherwise.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on June 26, 2017, 01:01:52 AM
My mate who has a contact says that Barkley to Arsenal for £40 mill and that we'll get Sigurdsson. We'll see! 😂😂
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 01:06:47 AM
want Ross to stay. but if he goes i dont really care, Dowell will be more than capable of stepping up / taking Ross' position..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2017, 01:15:40 AM
want Ross to stay. but if he goes i dont really care, Dowell will be more than capable of stepping up / taking Ross' position..

Haha
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on June 26, 2017, 01:19:50 AM
want Ross to stay. but if he goes i dont really care, Dowell will be more than capable of stepping up / taking Ross' position..

If you could transplant Dowell's football brain into Ross' body you'd have a helluva player
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 01:20:19 AM
Haha

lol Dowell was class in the  under 20's

plus when he played under unsy on the last match of the season before last season, he did well..

i only mentioned he can step into Ross' role as Ross hasnt played much recently, and if we where to use Ross as a squad player, its better to sell (him) and use Dowell.

better than letting spurs have him on the free end of next season.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Silas on June 26, 2017, 01:26:32 AM
I really hate the exaggeration of Barkley's weaknesses and underselling of his strengths. People keep talking like he hasn't had two good seasons on the bounce and he was some sort of weak link.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 26, 2017, 01:30:11 AM
People keep talking like he hasn't had two good seasons on the bounce

Has he?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Silas on June 26, 2017, 01:32:28 AM
Has he?

Yes.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 01:47:43 AM
2 good seasons?

going on last year and the year before

https://www.premierleague.com/players/4115/Ross-Barkley/stats?se=54
5 goals 8 assists. (36 appearances)

https://www.premierleague.com/players/4115/Ross-Barkley/stats?se=42
8 goals  8 assists (38 games)


1 good season 2 seasons ago, and a decent season last year.. not great, the amount of times he breaks at pace, or is involved in the final section of the pitch, then he makes the wrong choice, or tries to do too much or, he just gives it away...

the player who he could have been, should be in week in week out.  but he isnt that player, and due to his strop, i dont think he will ever be that player.. (for us or anyone else)

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on June 26, 2017, 02:14:56 AM
What's this "strop" thing?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on June 26, 2017, 02:15:40 AM
Yes.

You can't mean last season surely
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: howard1334 on June 26, 2017, 02:16:00 AM
want Ross to stay. but if he goes i dont really care, Dowell will be more than capable of stepping up / taking Ross' position..

Seriously?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Silas on June 26, 2017, 02:16:15 AM
You can't mean last season surely

Yes I think he had a good season
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: howard1334 on June 26, 2017, 02:16:49 AM
lol Dowell was class in the  under 20's

plus when he played under unsy on the last match of the season before last season, he did well..

i only mentioned he can step into Ross' role as Ross hasnt played much recently, and if we where to use Ross as a squad player, its better to sell (him) and use Dowell.

better than letting spurs have him on the free end of next season.



Ross started 90% of all games last season. He was not a "squad player."
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 03:24:40 AM
he was in the team until the last few weeks/months, he will be a squad player next season for us

i personally think he had 2 strops this season (lack of better terminology) one about 3 months in when koeman asked him to up his game. and he didnt, n was dropped for a few games.. he then came back and played OK, but everton fans where saying he's improved since being dropped, and towards the end of the season, due to not signing contract? / giving other players a chance.. as koeman knows his end product isnt there, hence why he will be a squad player next year..

but fuck it. put barkley in, watch us go backwards...  hes played ok in a front 3, shit in the middle 3.. most the time he seems lost between the front 3 and middle 3.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2017, 04:03:03 AM
lol Dowell was class in the  under 20's

plus when he played under unsy on the last match of the season before last season, he did well..

i only mentioned he can step into Ross' role as Ross hasnt played much recently, and if we where to use Ross as a squad player, its better to sell (him) and use Dowell.

better than letting spurs have him on the free end of next season.



Nah I know what you mean as a squad player but Ross is a million times more proven than dowell.

I've watched him a few times at U21 and I am a big fan but he's not been able to step up and seems behind lookman, DCL, davies etc in koeman's thoughts.

Ross did get 10 and 10 year before last like, I know he's not had a great year productivity wise but he's proven at this level, dowell is miles off unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 26, 2017, 04:27:12 AM
Madness.

Barkley is in a different league altogether to Dowell talent-wise.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 26, 2017, 04:42:36 AM
Madness.

Barkley is in a different league altogether to Dowell talent-wise.

True. But why isn't dowel afforded all the excuses Barkley gets? 'what if he has better players around him?', 'what if he is allowed time to develop?', 'what if Koeman gave him a cuddle?' etc
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 05:04:12 AM
he's younger too, and won the world cup.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on June 26, 2017, 05:09:44 AM
Why are we talking about Dowell? We need to be replacing the boy with 25 goal/assist a season player, not blooding in an academy lad. They won't all have the minerals of Tom Davies.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 26, 2017, 05:15:07 AM
Why are we talking about Dowell? We need to be replacing the boy with 25 goal/assist a season player, not blooding in an academy lad. They won't all have the minerals of Tom Davies.

Talking about Dowell is a refreshing distraction following 22 pages of the same arguments about Barkley over and over again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 05:31:44 AM
Why are we talking about Dowell? We need to be replacing the boy with 25 goal/assist a season player, not blooding in an academy lad. They won't all have the minerals of Tom Davies.


following on from my last few posts, in that hypothetical world, Barkley is replaced by the said 25goal/assist season player(if not 2 players of that mold), Barkleys on the bench, or sold, or leaves for free at the end of the season,no worries tho Dowell is there.

 :badum:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 26, 2017, 05:46:47 AM
He's just very divisive isn't he?

I thought he was great last season and think that as soon as he has 2 or 3 bad games that a lot of people just seem to forget about his previous good form all together.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2017, 06:06:23 AM
True. But why isn't dowel afforded all the excuses Barkley gets? 'what if he has better players around him?', 'what if he is allowed time to develop?', 'what if Koeman gave him a cuddle?' etc

Hahaha honestly what am I reading?

He's not a first team player, he's not even in the discussion what the fuck is going on? They're not remotely comparable.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 26, 2017, 06:11:25 AM
Hahaha honestly what am I reading?

He's not a first team player, he's not even in the discussion what the fuck is going on? They're not remotely comparable.

Especially considering nobody says those things about Barkley anymore.

I think he's a pretty good player right now yet his detractors make it sound like he's Keith Andrews with potential.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 06:35:03 AM
Barkley is good, just  not where i wanted/thought he would be now,, i still rate him and want him to stay, but iwant to see players who can do it more than he can, maybe that will up his ass into gear.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 26, 2017, 03:14:16 PM
Deleted his insta apparently.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on June 26, 2017, 03:17:31 PM
Deleted his insta apparently.

I reckon his heads well and truly fell off here.

Think the pressure of it all has got to him.

Time fpr the club to step in and look after him, even if he is leaving
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 26, 2017, 04:03:35 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-midfielder-ross-barkley-deletes-13238335

Defo sommet going on with him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 26, 2017, 04:05:55 PM
Strange how nothing has come out about the whole situation. You usually get the odd leak from someone in the city who knows him/his family/his friends/someone at the club but nothing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on June 26, 2017, 04:12:11 PM
The Echo is an abomination! So people deleting their instagram accounts is now a big thing is it, shame on Ross for not explaining why! Fucking stop the world I wanna get off!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on June 26, 2017, 04:13:24 PM
Strange how nothing has come out about the whole situation. You usually get the odd leak from someone in the city who knows him/his family/his friends/someone at the club but nothing.

Someone on here mentioned that he is going to City, and I think another mentioned Arsenal.

Not one person has even speculated that he's staying.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on June 26, 2017, 04:15:50 PM
He's probably fed up getting abused via social media by sections of the fanbase.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on June 26, 2017, 04:16:28 PM
He's probably fed up getting abused via social media by sections of the fanbase.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on June 26, 2017, 06:02:16 PM
Just sign the contract or go Ross, it's getting boring now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 26, 2017, 06:03:15 PM
Just sign the contract or go Ross, it's getting boring now.

It's only getting boring because we are thrashing it out 24 hours a day on here. We're doing this to ourselves tbf
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bally on June 26, 2017, 06:03:59 PM
He's probably fed up getting abused via social media by sections of the fanbase.
Yup
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bally on June 26, 2017, 06:04:32 PM
Just sign the contract or go Ross, it's getting boring now.
And this is the reason he's deleted his social media
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on June 26, 2017, 06:05:29 PM
And this is the reason he's deleted his social media

He needs to grow thicker skin then, doesn't he.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on June 26, 2017, 06:07:25 PM
My thoughts on the matter haven't changed since Janaury. I'll be absolutely gutted if he doesn't sign...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sirblue57 on June 26, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
I would love for both Barkley and Lukaku to sign, they are not the top players they think they are, but getting similar quality for either would be problematic, Barkley has the ability and I would love to see him show it o a consistent level here rather than anywhere else, and as for Lukaku, where would we get a striker as good? yeah he is not the finished article...YET!..but what if he became that here?

The problem lies in the attitude shown by Rom, forever touting himself as out the door, if he had shown just a little grace with regard to leaving, just kept a little quiet, the fans would have understood,but how can you take to someone who flouts that the club you support, love and follow is merely a stepping stone? ok, we have been in the doldrums for a while, but it finally looks like we are coming out of that now, so the situation is more annoying.

so as much as I would love them both at the club for the foreseeable future, I will wish them both well in the future careers, wherever that may be, no hard feelings and may you have much success, pity it won't be here, but our club comes first, if it's not good enough for you, you are not good enough for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on June 26, 2017, 06:24:36 PM
He needs to grow thicker skin then, doesn't he.

Twats, twats everywhere.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 06:34:11 PM
Someone on here mentioned that he is going to City, and I think another mentioned Arsenal.

Not one person has even speculated that he's staying.

Allow me. This could be all about self motivation by the lad. When offered 100k a week, he said "please sir, can I have some more?" and they said "sorry laa, more goals and england appearances next year and we can talk about another pay rise next summer". He thought about it and decided it would be more motivating to stay on a lower wage for now, because he's already rich and leaving hasn't crossed his mind. Then all the speculation kicked off, and he's had enough, gets abused and even punched when he was always staying. He would have put out a statement through his agent but he deleted his number due to the endless messages telling him to sign cause his agent needs more whores and coke. He asked his Mum what to do, she said ignore the twits, forget about the press and go play football my boy, the Gwladys still love ya.

Is that speculative enough? Reckon it's a better story than any in the press possibly more true, we know his Ma is boss but no paper ever mentions her opinion!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on June 26, 2017, 06:38:53 PM
He needs to grow thicker skin then, doesn't he.

Depends eh. If you're quite an insecure person, I imagine receiving torrents of abuse all the time from random people can be quite difficult.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 06:40:16 PM
He needs to grow thicker skin then, doesn't he.
Does he? I would have thought concentrating on training and being what Koeman wants would be far bigger priorities than tolerating abuse from people he thought cared about him and considered him "one of us", many of whom are actually fickle keyboard warriors who believe things written in the press despite no comments whatsoever from him suggesting he wants out. I'd have deleted my accounts a while back..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on June 26, 2017, 06:40:54 PM
Depends eh. If you're quite an insecure person, I imagine receiving torrents of abuse all the time from random people can be quite difficult.

If what I said is abuse like it was implied by Bally, then he definitely needs to get thicker skin or just stay off social media.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 06:44:12 PM
fawkin' everton fans abusing their own players on twatter, ban the lot of them! ( i mean from the games at goodison)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ramjam on June 26, 2017, 06:46:44 PM
He needs to grow thicker skin then, doesn't he.

He probably will once the tattoos are gone
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 06:50:21 PM
If what I said is abuse like it was implied by Bally, then he definitely needs to get thicker skin or just stay off social media.
Maybe Bally was suggesting it's not just abuse, it's mither in general? Must be a PITA when you pick up your phone and it says "you have 1878 new messages" every day
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 26, 2017, 06:53:16 PM
Still don't think he'll sign a contract or be sold.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 26, 2017, 06:56:22 PM
Still don't think he'll sign a contract or be sold.

I can see him sat on his arse most of next season. Shame really. But it was all in his hands. Or feet.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on June 26, 2017, 06:56:59 PM
Footballers and social media are a bad combination at the best of times.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 07:01:04 PM
Still don't think he'll sign a contract or be sold.

will he stay in purgatory?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluebridge on June 26, 2017, 07:05:11 PM
want Ross to stay. but if he goes i dont really care, Dowell will be more than capable of stepping up / taking Ross' position..
There's a thought
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on June 26, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
Think we all need a reality check on here, Barkley told Koeman he wants champions league football next year and at the moment we can't provide it. That is according to Koeman, now that seems to me like he just doesn't want to be here, hope I'm wrong like.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 26, 2017, 07:21:29 PM
All just a bit of a fuckin mess isn't it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 07:22:21 PM
Think we all need a reality check on here, Barkley told Koeman he wants champions league football next year and at the moment we can't provide it. That is according to Koeman, now that seems to me like he just doesn't want to be here, hope I'm wrong like.
That's not quite what RK said:
"I spoke to Ross several weeks ago and he mentioned his ambition, Champions League, and I told him I have the same ambition," Koeman said.

"We're going in a good direction and he is a key player, he is a kid of the club, a kid of the town and in my opinion, there is no better place for him to continue.
I think it's a normal ambition for players, every player and manager wants to play in the Champions League."

Which shows the media's twisting influence, leading fans to hear it as "wants CL next year".
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 07:28:28 PM
All just a bit of a fuckin mess isn't it.

Of course. Even with money, a promising manager and genuine hope, it's still Everton.

We need a gif for the opposite of that meerkat saying simplez..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bally on June 26, 2017, 07:30:46 PM
He needs to grow thicker skin then, doesn't he.
Why should he have to grow a thicker skin, he is obviously an emotional person, Jags shouting him the other year telling him it wasn't him the booing was aimed at proves that, Ross obviously doesn't deal well with that type of reaction to him and is obviously emotionally affected by such stuff, so he needs an arm round the shoulder, nit a bunch of fucking #CockWombles having a fucking go
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 26, 2017, 07:42:06 PM
Think we all need a reality check on here, Barkley told Koeman he wants champions league football next year and at the moment we can't provide it. That is according to Koeman, now that seems to me like he just doesn't want to be here, hope I'm wrong like.

I want a wank off Angelina Jolie
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: phillyt on June 26, 2017, 07:45:06 PM
Why should he have to grow a thicker skin, he is obviously an emotional person, Jags shouting him the other year telling him it wasn't him the booing was aimed at proves that, Ross obviously doesn't deal well with that type of reaction to him and is obviously emotionally affected by such stuff, so he needs an arm round the shoulder, nit a bunch of fucking #CockWombles having a fucking go

I can see your point here bally and agree that away from the pitch no person should be subject to abuse, I also think the lad is harshly treated at times by some fans.
On the pitch though if you pay your money and your not impressed by his or any players performance as a fan you have a right to express your dissatisfaction. The same as in my job if I fuck up or don't perform I get shit from my manager/customers.

If Ross does have any kind of mental health issue then he needs to question if putting yourself out there as a footballer is the right decision at least untill he gets some psychological help.
That said if he has anxiety/depression he likely fears going out on that pitch and every step down the tunnel is a battle that he wins and for that he deserves a lot of admiration.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 26, 2017, 07:45:52 PM
Why should he have to grow a thicker skin, he is obviously an emotional person, Jags shouting him the other year telling him it wasn't him the booing was aimed at proves that, Ross obviously doesn't deal well with that type of reaction to him and is obviously emotionally affected by such stuff, so he needs an arm round the shoulder, nit a bunch of fucking #CockWombles having a fucking go

Which I think is partially why we are where we are.

Under Martinez' brand of playground football he blew smoke up Ross' arse daily which resulted in him producing his best season in terms of productivity. Unfortunately he didn't develop the other skills needed to become a top drawer footballer in those three years and the team as whole bore no resemblance to a professional outfit.

Under Koeman we now look like a football team again with better results and everyone knowing their jobs but his version of tough love coaching has resulted in his productivity decreasing.

It's clear Ross looks more at home under a different style of management, someone who can put an arm round his shoulder as well as teaching him proper football coaching.
I personally think Pochettino is perfect for him as he'd do that, in effect combining the best bits of Martinez and Koeman and the lad would flourish.

Can I blame the lad for wanting a bit of that? Not at all. It's unfortunate but it might be best for him to work in a different environment, better suited to his character and temperament. Just a shame it's not at Goodison.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 26, 2017, 07:48:11 PM
I can see your point here bally and agree that away from the pitch no person should be subject to abuse, I also think the lad is harshly treated at times by some fans.
On the pitch though if you pay your money and your not impressed by his or any players performance as a fan you have a right to express your dissatisfaction. The same as in my job if I fuck up or don't perform I get shit from my manager/customers.

If Ross does have any kind of mental health issue then he needs to question if putting yourself out there as a footballer is the right decision at least untill he gets some psychological help.
That said if he has anxiety/depression he likely fears going out on that pitch and every step down the tunnel is a battle that he wins and for that he deserves a lot of admiration.

I'd be astonished to hear your manager standing over your shoulder calling you shit whilst you were actually in the middle of doing the work though.
Or, more aptly, your customers.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on June 26, 2017, 07:48:41 PM
I want a wank off Angelina Jolie

I didn't know Angelina Jolie is weilding a shlong, I always had her down as a woman.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 26, 2017, 07:54:40 PM
I didn't know Angelina Jolie is weilding a shlong, I always had her down as a woman.

That would be "to wank off" rather than "a wank off" wouldn't it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on June 26, 2017, 07:55:23 PM
That would be "to wank off" rather than "a wank off" wouldn't it

Ha, yeah, you're right.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on June 26, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
Id like to wank off Anglelina Jolie
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 26, 2017, 07:56:59 PM
I want a wank off Angelina Jolie

Skinny hands. All knuckles and bone. Not for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 08:04:39 PM
It seems quite strange to me that other fans consider themselves customers first.  Sure, we spend hard earned money on our passion, and the pressure on our wallet demands we be picky, but for me I cannot see my club as a business I pay to provide a specified service. It's more like a girl who has my heart I can't help buying shiny shit for, even though she drives me up the wall some days.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 08:06:36 PM
Which I think is partially why we are where we are.

Under Martinez' brand of playground football he blew smoke up Ross' arse daily which resulted in him producing his best season in terms of productivity. Unfortunately he didn't develop the other skills needed to become a top drawer footballer in those three years and the team as whole bore no resemblance to a professional outfit.

Under Koeman we now look like a football team again with better results and everyone knowing their jobs but his version of tough love coaching has resulted in his productivity decreasing.

It's clear Ross looks more at home under a different style of management, someone who can put an arm round his shoulder as well as teaching him proper football coaching.
I personally think Pochettino is perfect for him as he'd do that, in effect combining the best bits of Martinez and Koeman and the lad would flourish.

Can I blame the lad for wanting a bit of that? Not at all. It's unfortunate but it might be best for him to work in a different environment, better suited to his character and temperament. Just a shame it's not at Goodison.

It's depressing, but I fear you may be right. Hopefully love for EFC will motivate him to figure it out with us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: phillyt on June 26, 2017, 08:07:38 PM
I'd be astonished to hear your manager standing over your shoulder calling you shit whilst you were actually in the middle of doing the work though.
Or, more aptly, your customers.

In a previous job, at a phone shop that repaired phones I was regularly threatened with beatings and death because I had the temerity to tell them I couldn't magically fix their 2/3 year old phone instantly, or that they would lose all the data on it. Quite often this was caused by some of the less able colleagues from other stores lying to them. So reasonably comparable I'd say. I had a choice though deal with it, or move jobs.

The point is we all have pressures to deal with and with that we make a choice, deal with it with any necessary support or change our situation/job.

As I said in my last point Ross (if his rumoured health issues are true) takes the brave decision to face it head on, week in week out and fair play to him for that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on June 26, 2017, 08:08:25 PM
I want a wank off Angelina Jolie

Why MLT ? Has she told you a blow job is out of the question ???
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 26, 2017, 08:11:10 PM
Poch could be a dream manager for Barkley, think the description of a mix of Martinez and Koeman is perfect. However, one thing I'll add to that is he doesn't take fools lightly and if you're not putting a shift in you're getting binned off. In that sense he is even more ruthless than Koeman.

If I was Barkley I'd consider what has happened to Sissoko. Similar types of players in terms of direct with the ball but beig weak defensively. Sissoko was bought for big money too so Poch is not arsed about that, or the reputation Barkley has
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 26, 2017, 08:11:54 PM
In a previous job, at a phone shop that repaired phones I was regularly threatened with beatings and death because I had the temerity to tell them I couldn't magically fix their 2/3 year old phone instantly, or that they would lose all the data on it. Quite often this was caused by some of the less able colleagues from other stores lying to them. So reasonably comparable I'd say. I had a choice though deal with it, or move jobs.

The point is we all have pressures to deal with and with that we make a choice, deal with it with any necessary support or change our situation/job.

As I said in my last point Ross (if his rumoured health issues are true) takes the brave decision to face it head on, week in week out and fair play to him for that.

But you thought they were within their right to give you stick?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 08:13:42 PM
I'd be astonished to hear your manager standing over your shoulder calling you shit whilst you were actually in the middle of doing the work though.
Or, more aptly, your customers.
Customers doing that get politely told it's not helping. Managers get privately told cut that shit pal or HR get involved. Footballers deal with 30,000+ unreasonable customers shouting severe abuse at once, and managers with much greater power to ruin their working life. Maybe they earn their money just by returning week after week..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueNoseMike on June 26, 2017, 08:14:49 PM

As I said in my last point Ross (if his rumoured health issues are true) takes the brave decision to face it head on, week in week out and fair play to him for that.

Sorry if I'm being ignorant but what rumoured health issues?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: phillyt on June 26, 2017, 08:22:46 PM
But you thought they were within their right to give you stick?
Of course they were, although I feel Death threats were going a tad far. Again the point is despite a situation I felt was difficult I dealt with it. For want of a better phrase I grew a thick skin.

Putting a little perspective on it though I was a 20k a year shop worker. While dealing with pissed of customers is an expectation and also a skill you develop the level which I faced was far and above what is reasonable to expect. Ross, and any other footballer, is a highly paid athlete who is expected to perform to a high level on the pitch. If he fails to live up to the expectations of the supporters they are within their rights to express that be it shouting or booing. They are not for instance within their rights to physically attack him, threaten him or insult him personally. If he cant put up with reasonable criticism then he needs to question if being a professional footballer is both right for him and good for his long term wellbeing.

I will reiterate at this juncture I'm a huge fan of Ross and feel some of the criticism of him is unjust, blinkered shite.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: phillyt on June 26, 2017, 08:25:17 PM
Sorry if I'm being ignorant but what rumoured health issues?

It is rumoured on social media that Ross is suffering with his mental health in some capacity.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bally on June 26, 2017, 08:30:09 PM
I didn't know Angelina Jolie is weilding a shlong, I always had her down as a woman.
You can still wank off a woman, just a different technique, women call it a wank to you know
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 26, 2017, 08:36:09 PM
@phillyt (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=189) , think we fundamentally disagree om this then mate.

I, for one, think everybody has the right to go about their work without intimidation or overt criticism. If somebody is underperforming then it is down to a manager to follow prescribed guidelines in private meetings. Not belittle someone publicly. I would expect any organisation to expel any customer abusing an employee as well.
Further, I think this applies regardless of how much money you make. Barkley's wage is irrelevant to this discussion in my eyes.

But, yeah, i can see where our opinions split
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: phillyt on June 26, 2017, 09:05:25 PM
@phillyt (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=189) , think we fundamentally disagree om this then mate.

I, for one, think everybody has the right to go about their work without intimidation or overt criticism. If somebody is underperforming then it is down to a manager to follow prescribed guidelines in private meetings. Not belittle someone publicly. I would expect any organisation to expel any customer abusing an employee as well.
Further, I think this applies regardless of how much money you make. Barkley's wage is irrelevant to this discussion in my eyes.

But, yeah, i can see where our opinions split

I agree with you on the intimidation, however the overt criticism I can't agree on.
If you are in a shop or restaurant and you get what you feel is poor service you would express your dissatisfaction. If you were at a comedy show and the comedian wasn't funny you might heckle them. I think there is a distinction between criticism and abuse.

I think the money aspect is relevent. If people are paid more handsomely they have more responsibility to the employer. And when performance is not up to standard they should be questioned and criticised.

Footballers, when they are doing their job they are in the public eye. For the most part they are subject to adulation, praise and love from supporters of their club if they are happy to accept this they should be prepared to accept the opposite end of the scale.
Out of interest what is your attitude to referees or opposition players. Do you ever pass negative comment on those performances?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 26, 2017, 09:12:37 PM
I agree with you on the intimidation, however the overt criticism I can't agree on.
If you are in a shop or restaurant and you get what you feel is poor service you would express your dissatisfaction. If you were at a comedy show and the comedian wasn't funny you might heckle them. I think there is a distinction between criticism and abuse.

I think the money aspect is relevent. If people are paid more handsomely they have more responsibility to the employer. And when performance is not up to standard they should be questioned and criticised.

Footballers, when they are doing their job they are in the public eye. For the most part they are subject to adulation, praise and love from supporters of their club if they are happy to accept this they should be prepared to accept the opposite end of the scale.
Out of interest what is your attitude to referees or opposition players. Do you ever pass negative comment on those performances?
`

Yeah, i think we just fundamentally disagree on it to be honest.

RE: opposition/refs. I do my best to be part of a partisan crowd to intimidate them. I'm not a "customer" of theirs so fuck them haha.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on June 26, 2017, 10:01:33 PM
I didn't know Angelina Jolie is weilding a shlong, I always had her down as a woman.

You know what, she's so damn fine, that if we were getting down and she happened to reveal a hefty wanger I'd deal with it accordingly 🍆  :hug:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: SANA_DR0 on June 26, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
It is rumoured on social media that Ross is suffering with his mental health in some capacity.


is this due to Koeman?  is asking our players to track back and follow runners too much for them? Lennon and Barclay both have had mental issues this season... (in all seriousness tho, i wish them both the best of luck and hope they recover and get back in the squad)
i guess Lukaku will be next on the rumor list  :bonk:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on June 26, 2017, 10:16:53 PM
I don't think it's sensible to take spurious twitter nonsense about mental health seriously.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on June 26, 2017, 10:26:08 PM
I don't think it's sensible to take spurious twitter nonsense about mental health seriously.

Man, you crazy!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on June 26, 2017, 10:47:00 PM
Putting a little perspective on it though I was a 20k a year shop worker.

In a way that makes it easier to deal with it, as you knew you could walk away and find another job, and you certainly didn't dedicate your life to it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 11:09:22 PM
I don't think it's sensible to take twitter seriously.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 26, 2017, 11:11:44 PM
In a way that makes it easier to deal with it, as you knew you could walk away and find another job, and you certainly didn't dedicate your life to it.

And that if 30,000 angry customers all kicked off at once you could do one and summon riot police?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Hesmenos on June 26, 2017, 11:43:35 PM
Of course they were, although I feel Death threats were going a tad far. Again the point is despite a situation I felt was difficult I dealt with it. For want of a better phrase I grew a thick skin.

Putting a little perspective on it though I was a 20k a year shop worker. While dealing with pissed of customers is an expectation and also a skill you develop the level which I faced was far and above what is reasonable to expect. Ross, and any other footballer, is a highly paid athlete who is expected to perform to a high level on the pitch. If he fails to live up to the expectations of the supporters they are within their rights to express that be it shouting or booing. They are not for instance within their rights to physically attack him, threaten him or insult him personally. If he cant put up with reasonable criticism then he needs to question if being a professional footballer is both right for him and good for his long term wellbeing.

I will reiterate at this juncture I'm a huge fan of Ross and feel some of the criticism of him is unjust, blinkered shite.
The biggest difference between your analogy and Barkley's situation is that you knew that your shift would finish and you can go home and chill.
You didn't get people threatening you on twitter, hassling you in the street, your family asking you if it was true that you had mental health issues because they read it on a forum.
I don't do it personally, but I can understand why some fans feel they have a right to have a go at a player if he's not performing on the pitch. The problem with modern football is that the abuse doesn't stop once the game is over. If the player has a sensitive character you can understand why they might crack under the pressure.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: phillyt on June 27, 2017, 01:20:05 AM
The biggest difference between your analogy and Barkley's situation is that you knew that your shift would finish and you can go home and chill.
You didn't get people threatening you on twitter, hassling you in the street, your family asking you if it was true that you had mental health issues because they read it on a forum.
I don't do it personally, but I can understand why some fans feel they have a right to have a go at a player if he's not performing on the pitch. The problem with modern football is that the abuse doesn't stop once the game is over. If the player has a sensitive character you can understand why they might crack under the pressure.
If you read my first post I mentioned that the social media thing etc is wrong my point was that if any footballer doesn't perform on the pitch they should expect and deal with being told as much. Off the pitch it's out of order. However being a "celebrity" means they are always on duty in some folks eyes and rightly or wrongly footballers do need to have an ability to cope with stuff like that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 27, 2017, 02:18:13 AM
If you read my first post I mentioned that the social media thing etc is wrong my point was that if any footballer doesn't perform on the pitch they should expect and deal with being told as much. Off the pitch it's out of order. However being a "celebrity" means they are always on duty in some folks eyes and rightly or wrongly footballers do need to have an ability to cope with stuff like that.
It's a fair point, shit comes with the job.

It's hard not to feel for these kids though, so many seem to assume healthy bank balance cool job means they aren't human any more. Busy training and studying with a dream, but the dream doesn't include the nastier reality with abuse and lack of privacy, and these kids never really learn the harsh reality of being an adult before having to deal with their dream becoming a nightmare.

It's probably surprising there aren't more Jose Baxters really. Money can't buy emotional security or love, but easily buys other things to replace them.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 27, 2017, 03:07:34 AM
I don't think it's sensible to take spurious twitter nonsense about mental health seriously.

I totally agree, but you know what I just can't get that fucking clip out my head of Jags trying to reassure Ross that the fans weren't booing him. Broke my heart that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ramjam on June 27, 2017, 06:53:33 AM
I totally agree, but you know what I just can't get that fucking clip out my head of Jags trying to reassure Ross that the fans weren't booing him. Broke my heart that.

Proper captain and professional
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on June 27, 2017, 05:28:11 PM
That WRD fella reckons a new deal has been offered and Barkley is expected to sign.

There's also a no grim sleeve Tattoo clause in the contract which explains the tattoo removal
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on June 27, 2017, 05:30:41 PM
A rejuvenated Barkley, hopefully with a smile on his face and a cuddle from uncle Ronald, would be a welcome addition to the team again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on June 27, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
A rejuvenated Barkley, hopefully with a smile on his face and a cuddle from uncle Ronald, would be a welcome addition to the team again.

Spot on
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 27, 2017, 06:12:31 PM
At least nobody burnt his shirt
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: plumber on June 27, 2017, 06:37:37 PM
I'll wait till the Esk confirms that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Sir Stealth on June 27, 2017, 06:41:03 PM
I'll wait till the Esk confirms that.

Shoutout to my esk
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 27, 2017, 06:41:24 PM
Shoutout to my esk

:love:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on June 27, 2017, 06:58:32 PM
That WRD fella reckons a new deal has been offered and Barkley is expected to sign.

There's also a no grim sleeve Tattoo clause in the contract which explains the tattoo removal
Maybe thats what it was about, Koeman insisted on adding the tattoo clause and Ross couldn't get an appointment soon enough!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 27, 2017, 07:26:13 PM
If this is true, it's probably an admission that we're as good as it will get for him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on June 27, 2017, 07:32:06 PM
Maybe thats what it was about, Koeman insisted on adding the tattoo clause and Ross couldn't get an appointment soon enough!

The sticking point was probably Koeman insisting that Ross had a tattoo done of Koeman's face on his arm. No wonder he stalled.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on June 27, 2017, 07:34:28 PM
If this is true, it's probably an admission that we're as good as it will get for him.

Conjecture, really.

We've got no idea why Barkley didn't want to sign the contract.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on June 27, 2017, 07:37:08 PM
Conjecture, really.

We've got no idea why Barkley didn't want to sign the contract.

Correct, I'm calling it now, maybe we've agreed to his demands to unlimited blue raspberry bon bons in his contract.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on June 27, 2017, 07:37:34 PM
I don't think Ross barkley ever really wanted to leave. Think he overplayed his hand. Followed by koeman insisting he wasn't right arsed anyway and we ended up with a Mexican standoff. I did think it had gone too far and that he'd end up leaving now though. Still be surprised if he signs. Yes it will be partly down to his lack of great options but that's always the case anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on June 27, 2017, 07:42:25 PM
Conjecture, really.

We've got no idea why Barkley didn't want to sign the contract.

That's why I said probably.

Who knows though. Be a decent squad player if he signs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on June 27, 2017, 07:44:04 PM
If this is true, it's probably an admission that we're as good as it will get for him.

Or an admission that he is as good as it will get for us??  ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on June 27, 2017, 10:01:49 PM
Alan Myers just tweeted he's heard that barkley signing a new contract is not the case
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on June 28, 2017, 12:00:34 AM
Alan Myers just tweeted he's heard that barkley signing a new contract is not the case

Ahh fucknuts. I was made up with this news, has that WRD ever got anything right?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on June 28, 2017, 12:03:48 AM
Ahh fucknuts. I was made up with this news, has that WRD ever got anything right?

Once came third in the Dog and Duck's Sunday pub quiz
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on June 28, 2017, 01:51:30 AM
He won't sign.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on June 28, 2017, 02:06:13 AM
Does Myers really know anything or is he trying to stay relevant?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on June 28, 2017, 02:08:57 AM
Does Myers really know anything or is he trying to stay relevant?
I would imagine he still has a connection or two at the club
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
Just signed a 4 year deal
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Waltzer on July 03, 2017, 05:08:14 PM
Just signed a 4 year deal

Where did you hear this?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 05:10:05 PM
Just signed a 4 year deal

Where, how, what?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 05:11:26 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/494136924983279617
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 03, 2017, 05:11:49 PM
Just signed a 4 year deal

Mate, you can't just mike drop that without some sort of further explanation lolol
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 05:11:58 PM
fuuuck

USM football shorts has just made me do a todd
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 03, 2017, 05:12:10 PM
ooooooooohhhhhhhh booooooom get the fuck in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 03, 2017, 05:13:14 PM
2014
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 05:13:24 PM
ooooooooohhhhhhhh booooooom get the fuck in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nah, retweeted from 2014 the bellends haha.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 05:13:55 PM
2014

didn't see that on the retweet.

Wasn't until i posted the tweet on here that the date stood out to me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 03, 2017, 05:14:03 PM
Oh for fuck sake
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 03, 2017, 05:14:12 PM
Hahahahah
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 03, 2017, 05:15:02 PM
Only gone and done a todd
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 05:15:47 PM
I am a fan of the "doing a Todd" becoming local parlance
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 03, 2017, 05:18:40 PM
The forum this summer has been spectacular. Loads suffering from Cabin fever.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 03, 2017, 05:19:59 PM
The funny thing is, I've spotted that it was June 29th straight away, which made me suspicious about it, but still didn't spot the year.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sirblue57 on July 03, 2017, 05:20:08 PM
The forum this summer has been spectacular. Loads suffering from Cabin fever.

think it's actually shock...cant remember a transfer spree like this for a while. especially so early...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Glory on July 03, 2017, 05:21:50 PM
I am a moron.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 03, 2017, 05:22:51 PM
I am a fan of the "doing a Todd" becoming local parlance

I think Micked it up has a certain ring to it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 03, 2017, 05:27:37 PM
The funny thing is, I've spotted that it was June 29th straight away, which made me suspicious about it, but still didn't spot the year.

yeah, it was the date, not the year that made me realise too.

Screw you @Ross (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2316)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Cozzie on July 03, 2017, 05:35:13 PM
Toddacelling all over the gaff.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 03, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
ffs lads
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 03, 2017, 06:32:39 PM
ffs lads

*removes Mick from the ITK list*
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 03, 2017, 06:58:50 PM
Fuck sake.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 03, 2017, 07:05:21 PM
:(
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on July 03, 2017, 07:06:40 PM
I think Micked it up has a certain ring to it.

This get's my vote!


Wish I had a post from 5 years ago of me telling you all to go fuck yourselves because I'd happily quote that again!

(http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/delorean-back-to-the-future-production.gif)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 07:14:47 PM
I'm probably one of the few that was a little disappointed it appeared that he had signed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bacon sarnie on July 03, 2017, 10:29:30 PM
I'm probably one of the few that was a little disappointed it appeared that he had signed.

Might be on your Todd about that mate.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: griff969 on July 04, 2017, 01:19:46 AM
If we have just signed (or just about to) a Centre Half with one year to go on his contract for £25 million then Ross has to be worth £40-£50 million.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Danny on July 04, 2017, 01:58:30 AM
Anyone else starting to think it's been made clear to Ross he's not required?

I find it impossible to believe that he wouldn't want to sign and be part of whats happening here now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 04, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Anyone else starting to think it's been made clear to Ross he's not required?

I find it impossible to believe that he wouldn't want to sign and be part of whats happening here now.

I think koeman kind of did that originally when he was pissing about with the contract.

I think the problem barkley has is he kind of feels a little unwanted here now and probably has zero better options (at least in terms of quality team and actually playing)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 02:04:01 AM
Anyone else starting to think it's been made clear to Ross he's not required?

I find it impossible to believe that he wouldn't want to sign and be part of whats happening here now.
He was at training today. Rumours that mcgeady and niasse were not

Now that's not required
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Danny on July 04, 2017, 02:06:53 AM
He was at training today. Rumours that mcgeady and niasse were not

Now that's not required

I hope so, it would honestly feel as good as any of these new signings, i'm one of the people who still really questions how good he is but if we sell him before it's guaranteed he won't be good enough then it's such a risk.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 04, 2017, 02:37:36 AM
I've changed my mind. He's a problem now. If he's off then we need to bring in a replacement but if not then we could be wasting millions in wages bringing an extra player in. He's a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on July 04, 2017, 02:39:59 AM
If he goes, we should go all out for Mata.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 04, 2017, 02:42:06 AM
He was at training today. Rumours that mcgeady and niasse were not

Now that's not required

Both off to Sunderland I heard.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 04, 2017, 02:43:26 AM
Both off to Sunderland I heard.

That would be wonderful. 5 average players to Sunderland in exchange for their goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on July 04, 2017, 02:45:26 AM
I'm probably one of the few that was a little disappointed it appeared that he had signed.

I was more just "eh ok".
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 04, 2017, 02:57:42 AM
He was at training today. Rumours that mcgeady and niasse were not

Now that's not required

McGeady should be due back Thursday shouldn't he, with the other internationals?

Not sure about Niasse.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 04, 2017, 03:03:39 AM
McGeady should be due back Thursday shouldn't he, with the other internationals?

Not sure about Niasse.
Don't spoil it, I was on a roll
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 05, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
what about this .
https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/has-ross-barkley-missed-his-chance
If he reads this it should wake his mum up .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 07, 2017, 08:56:37 PM
distinct lack of Barkley pictures in the pre season stuff on the official site, as if we're meant to forget he exists somehow
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lazarou on July 07, 2017, 09:01:07 PM
distinct lack of Barkley pictures in the pre season stuff on the official site, as if we're meant to forget he exists somehow

What do you mean he is front and centre? ;)

(http://i.imgur.com/2O6aYqV.jpg)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 07, 2017, 09:03:34 PM
distinct lack of Barkley pictures in the pre season stuff on the official site, as if we're meant to forget he exists somehow

I think it's more likely that there's uncertainty as to whether he's staying or not, and as such the club would be silly to put him at the centre of their marketing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 07, 2017, 09:29:54 PM
They put him front of the together blue promo thing for new kit, now they are trying to hide him from photos.

The club wanted to sign and he would have been one of the top paid players. I think the position is now that he's losing significance and relevance. But whether he's a local boy or a player from elsewhere, he decided he wants to run down contract and that means he's not someone we need to consider as heavily for future use or involvement. If he changes his mind about the contract I think the club would be offering lower terms now, but I still think they'd be receptive.

My suspicion has been for a while that Spurs would be interested, but only for spare change and would try to drag it out until the end of his contract unless they get a great deal. They want him, but he probably wouldn't go straight into first team. They'd probably work him through the system like Trippier or Davies and then see where they are.

But someone like West Ham will see Barkley as a player who can help retain possession and move them forward. Since Payet went they don't offer as much and someone like Barkley, young and big name would be a very big signing for them.

I think I'd probably prefer it if he went to someone like West Ham, and we have a buyback clause or get a very good figure. I wouldn't be averse to signing a new contract and him going out on loan.

But think he probably had his heart set on going to a club contending for trophies now, and I think if he does, he will be at the start a peripheral figure. I wouldn't begrudge him doing so, but I don't see any of the big clubs offering big money for him or showing that much of an interest other than to encourage us to drop price or him to run the deal down.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 07, 2017, 09:36:01 PM
Hopefully he is at a club contending for trophies ...just need to put on his long sighted specs
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 07, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
Mori can fuck off with that haircut.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Buck76 on July 08, 2017, 12:10:10 AM
i reackon he wants to sign and Koemans making him sweat, Rooneys arrival will be twisting his melon right off..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gash on July 09, 2017, 10:29:43 PM
I wonder what his thoughts are now?

If as a fan as well as a player he can't get on board with where the club are trying to go then it's best he moves on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 09, 2017, 10:38:03 PM
Mori can fuck off with that haircut.

Ha haaa. Was just thinking the same. If ever we needed an excuse to sell him.....we have one now.....

I hope Mirallas rips him something chronic.

"Fuckin' man bun lad."
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: American Evertonian on July 09, 2017, 10:38:59 PM
In my head I've completely forgotten he still is an Everton player. I haven't seen one predicted line up for the coming year that included his name.

Sad end to his Everton career as it looks. Lukaku with a big money move and him left with nothing but his pride.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 09, 2017, 10:40:21 PM
Not good enough for our starting 11 anyway. I really don't care whether he signs, gets sold or runs down his contract for 12 months.

We will sign better than him and so far he's only proved that he's good enough to be a squad player at best (based on our new direction)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 09, 2017, 10:42:16 PM
I wonder what his thoughts are now?

If as a fan as well as a player he can't get on board with where the club are trying to go then it's best he moves on.

Saying F all as usual. Just hope he isn't sat around finch farm with a face on telling the new kids how big bad uncle Ronald won't let him have a choc ice unless he finishes his dinner.

If he'd signed up in May then I'd be happy for him to stay and fight but we don't know if we need to replace him as things stand which has to be destabilising.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2017, 10:44:16 PM
I wonder what his thoughts are now?

If as a fan as well as a player he can't get on board with where the club are trying to go then it's best he moves on.

I really don't think it's that he's not onboard. Think he's backed himself into a corner and now there's possibly no way back.

Not like he's loads of other options. Think it's spiralled and his future is genuinely up in the air now. Think he's no clue where he'll be playing next season and he's no way of climbing down.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on July 09, 2017, 10:50:06 PM
I think he needs to knuckle down and realise there will be less pressure on him this season and he will no longer be the sole creative hub. He will have clever off the ball running from Sandro, Klaassen and Rooney buzzing around him, all who can zip the ball quickly and could add a new dimension to his game. On that note, I think Baines's game will improve too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: van der Meyde on July 09, 2017, 10:54:12 PM
If he'd signed up in May then I'd be happy for him to stay and fight but we don't know if we need to replace him as things stand which has to be destabilising.
If Koeman doesn't think he's good enough - and his attidue would suggest that - then he'll be looking to replace him anyway, presumably the reason for the Sigurdsson links.

I don't think that's much of an issue.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 09, 2017, 10:54:38 PM
It's a long transfer window yet. I don't entirely blame Barkley, the club got into this position by letting letting the Martinez situation run on and letting his contract get to this juncture.

I thought he had a decent season overall, particularly the latter half but his immediate games after the international snub by Hodgson was good too and showed some mental strength. However, he was often beaten up by Koeman in his media comments (not to mention some of the crowd) and perhaps he's not the type to respond to that longer term and that made him feel unwanted. I feel people thought that was ok by Koeman because we'd got tired of hearing Martinez's platitudes, but it often seemed unnecessary and could've been handled behind closed doors.

I think he mainly wants to play though, he's been used to it under Martinez and it must feel like a demotion to be on the bench repeatedly. Then add in rumours of Sigurdsson being wanted and Rooney coming back, he must think he's never going to get a look in.

Sadly, I think he'd do well for Spurs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on July 09, 2017, 10:54:56 PM
Could be a dodgy year for him.

If he plays really well he could negotiate with the club form quite a unique position at the end of the season.

If he's still here by the start of this season (which I'm starting to doubt).........
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 09, 2017, 10:55:26 PM
If he wants to stay he should man up and say so. Koeman would accept that I reckon and then he needs to knuckle down and move on from this period in his life.
If he wants out he should inform his agent to get his finger out and find him a club... problem is, we are the best club he could be at. Swallow your pride lad and sign the contract.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 09, 2017, 11:00:32 PM
If he wants to stay he should man up and say so. Koeman would accept that I reckon and then he needs to knuckle down and move on from this period in his life.
If he wants out he should inform his agent to get his finger out and find him a club... problem is, we are the best club he could be at. Swallow your pride lad and sign the contract.

If he did go, I think it'd be to a club that finished above us last season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 09, 2017, 11:04:15 PM
If he did go, I think it'd be to a club that finished above us last season.

I think anyone above us would be wanting him as a cheapish punt rather than because they think he can go straight into their team

He'll have the same problem as sandro had. Lots of suitors but many not that genuine in terms of just how highly they rate him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 09, 2017, 11:20:43 PM
I think anyone above us would be wanting him as a cheapish punt rather than because they think he can go straight into their team

He'll have the same problem as sandro had. Lots of suitors but many not that genuine in terms of just how highly they rate him

Yes, quite possibly. The end result would sorta be the same though, he'd get a decent move, probably a decent pay packet and probably the way these things work some instant England national team recognition. Either way, I think the narrative he'd only get to go West Ham or Newcastle is very wide of the mark and another case of our own fans undervaluing him.

People seem mad at him as he's at his boyhood club, so it should be a no brainer. However, if Pochettino has rolled up and shown him a little love after Koeman has knocked him all season and now he thinks he's not going to play much the decision gets more complicated.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 09, 2017, 11:23:26 PM
I don't why people only consider the footballing side of things.

He got decked in town the other week, maybe he can't deal with living in the city?

We've got fuck all information to go by.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Craig_1878 on July 09, 2017, 11:25:34 PM
The main thing for Ross at his age is game time and if Sigurdsson comes in then that makes it really difficuilt for him.

At this stage it might be best for him and the club to sell and see if he can flourish elsewhere, and if he does then bring him back on a cheap release clause.

I would love for him to stay and realise his potential though, and in Rooney he has the perfect mentor. Either way next season will be a defining one for him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 09, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
Edit : fucked that up forget it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 09, 2017, 11:37:02 PM
He got decked in town the other week, maybe he can't deal with living in the city?

Choose your drinking establishments more carefully and get a Cheshire mansion like every other player then.

Not rocket science that one.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 09, 2017, 11:47:10 PM
Choose your drinking establishments more carefully and get a Cheshire mansion like every other player then.

Not rocket science that one.

Bit grim if the lad feels like he can't go for a bevy in the city he lives in.

Plus it's not like he was in a total dive when he got decked
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 09, 2017, 11:48:00 PM
Bit grim if the lad feels like he can't go for a bevy in the city he lives in.

Plus it's not like he was in a total dive when he got decked

He wasn't decked for nothing was he let's be honest.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on July 10, 2017, 05:49:10 PM
All gone quiet on his front, bet he wishes he'd signed that contract a month ago, will he be going to Tanzania, if so will he get playing time or will we be giving Rooney his 2nd debut in a blue shirt ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2017, 05:52:39 PM
Bit grim if the lad feels like he can't go for a bevy in the city he lives in.

Plus it's not like he was in a total dive when he got decked

What he feels and what the reality is are two different things I imagine. The lad just needs to surround himself with people who have wise heads on their shoulders who are looking out for him. On a number of levels he's failing at the minute.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 10, 2017, 06:28:51 PM
Bit grim if the lad feels like he can't go for a bevy in the city he lives in.

Plus it's not like he was in a total dive when he got decked

Any place that attracts that kind of clientele is clearly a dive.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 10, 2017, 07:13:27 PM
He has a serious issue as no-one from a Top 6 club needs him.

He is at the best club he can be at but seems to have burned his bridges with the manager.

Career is way off track.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 10, 2017, 07:17:41 PM
He has a serious issue as no-one from a Top 6 club needs him.

He is at the best club he can be at but seems to have burned his bridges with the manager.

Career is way off track.
Has he burnt his bridges? He hasn't been niassed that's for sure. He was still playing in most games last season, if he isn't even squads this year then maybe he has but at the minute we don't know what's going on
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2017, 07:17:54 PM
Have the bridges really been burnt to that extent though? Does anyone know this?

EDIT: Just seen Jimmy was 14 seconds ahead of me in asking the obvious question.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 10, 2017, 07:26:29 PM
Have the bridges really been burnt to that extent though? Does anyone know this?

EDIT: Just seen Jimmy was 14 seconds ahead of me in asking the obvious question.
Great minds
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gary1878 on July 10, 2017, 07:29:49 PM
The problem with Ross has always been consistency. Whenever I watch him, I am always concerned that he will lose the ball, or misplace a pass in a dangerous area of the pitch, or slip at a vital moment, or have a shot blocked for the 90th time. You get the picture - He does the simple stuff pretty well, but it's the major bits of play where he is disappointing.

I feel this huge sense of frustration with fans, because we know how good he could be, and what he actually is at the moment, and has been for the last 5 years. He is still, in a sense a prospect, and has failed to live up to the talent that his media hype suggests he has. I think Martinez set him back at least 2 years by not focusing on his defensive skills and all round game, and just allowing him to be a free spirit. Barkley probably suffered the most under Martinez because of this poor management.

To play in the number 10 role at a more ambitious Everton, he needs to add both goals and assists to his game, and become a leader on the pitch. Klaasen will be vying for this centre role, along with a host of  new additions and youngsters already at the club. There is no hiding now for Ross.

Never mind a move upwards, if Ross doesn't improve this season and start become the player befitting of his talent, then his place in the first team at Everton will be severely under threat.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 10, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
He'd be ideal for Newcastle. Let's see if we can rinse those suckers.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 10, 2017, 07:59:51 PM
I don't want to sell him because i couldn't be arsed with the constant talk about him whenever he scored/assisted.

And there would be shit loads of times that would happen, make no mistake.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 10, 2017, 08:17:12 PM
Burned his bridges as in wont sign a new contract.

I cant see Koeman playing him when he wants to leave...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Makis on July 10, 2017, 08:33:43 PM
This latest FIFA is just too realistic.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170624/590a98686f46cc50ed5e3a6c85ff9ebf.jpg)
Reminds me when Coleman wanted a transfer because he couldn't cope with the culture and language. He ended up at Arsenal..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 10, 2017, 09:56:02 PM
The smile on Koemans face when he was asked about Ross. Makes me think that Ross may well be signing a new contract.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 10, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
The smile on Koemans face when he was asked about Ross. Makes me think that Ross may well be signing a new contract.

Or he could just be Cheshire cat-ing it.  Koeman would be a monster poker player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 10, 2017, 09:58:33 PM
Any place that attracts that kind of clientele is clearly a dive.

Like a premier league footballer?

I, like many on here have frequented that bar many a time and it's anything but a 'dive'

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 10, 2017, 10:00:11 PM
I don't want to sell him because i couldn't be arsed with the constant talk about him whenever he scored/assisted.

And there would be shit loads of times that would happen, make no mistake.

I have made peace with the fact that the media coverage of us this season will be patently nauseating (no matter what happens with our dynamic new core, all it will be is Rooney Rooney Rooney, Rom Rom Rom, with a dash of what about Barkley and his hometown dramatics? tossed in for good measure).

It will be annoying as fuck, and I am pledging to myself not to blame Rooney or the club for it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 10, 2017, 10:04:14 PM
off topic slightly.
It's defo not a shit hole that bar, its proper pretentious hipster bile, but it's not a dive. 

Although any argument that Barkley is not signing his contract because of anything to do with that incident is absurd.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 10, 2017, 10:14:13 PM
Not particularly pretentious either. If anything I think it's a bit of a student bar that some scallies go.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 10, 2017, 10:28:31 PM
Would love Ross to stay so that after a game Sky could interview him, Rooney and Baines. Three scoucers in one team; more than liverpool get in their crowd.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Geordie Blue on July 10, 2017, 10:30:39 PM
off topic slightly.
It's defo not a shit hole that bar, its proper pretentious hipster bile, but it's not a dive. 

Although any argument that Barkley is not signing his contract because of anything to do with that incident is absurd.
If that is a dive then bloody hell town is absolutely littered with them - can't beat a $5 shake!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 10, 2017, 10:36:06 PM
Why did he get punched again?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2017, 10:46:27 PM
Would love Ross to stay so that after a game Sky could interview him, Rooney and Baines. Three scoucers in one team; more than liverpool get in their crowd.

Davies?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 10, 2017, 11:00:10 PM
Like a premier league footballer?

I, like many on here have frequented that bar many a time and it's anything but a 'dive'



Any place that attracts biffs that wanna throw punches at famous folk for rep points is a dive. In my opinion.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2017, 11:03:27 PM
Any place that attracts biffs that wanna throw punches at famous folk for rep points is a dive. In my opinion.

You'll find drunken kopites in most places that serve alcohol in town.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 10, 2017, 11:04:46 PM
Any place that attracts biffs that wanna throw punches at famous folk for rep points is a dive. In my opinion.

Let's just forget the fact that Barkley deserved it for what had reportedly been going on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: everton1952 on July 10, 2017, 11:12:20 PM
What reportedly had gone on?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 10, 2017, 11:23:01 PM
Regardless of what had or hadn't been going on, flicking someone's chin a few times with the back of your hand while talking to them is going to rub anyone up the wrong way. You can't complain about being knocked out if you're going round doing that to blokes in a bar.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on July 10, 2017, 11:29:49 PM
If that is a dive then bloody hell town is absolutely littered with them - can't beat a $5 shake!


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/82/e2/d0/82e2d0976b5877eb530d39e6979aef92.gif)



(http://i.imgur.com/YpQoKVE.gif)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 11, 2017, 12:44:50 AM
Reports were that he wants guaranteed first team football to help his Eng place for the 2018 WC.

So how does this happen at a club that's better than Everton ?

He has to back down and sign or he's an idiot.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Blue Lagoon on July 11, 2017, 12:56:43 AM
If he wants guaranteed first team football he has to earn it.
He could go to West Ham and start every week - if he played shit every week though he'd still not get an England call up.
Think he needs to realise that the only way of getting a national call up is to play well enough to be picked for us - and thus be playing well enough for an international spot.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 11, 2017, 01:06:45 AM
Santa Chupitos really isn't that bad. They do some nice cocktails, I can assure you. It's a popular place and usually really busy. The clientele isn't really rough or anything like that

I've got no evidence to back this up but for some reason I seem to remember someone saying that Barkley was having a bit with some girl and her fella found out and he saw Ross in this place and had a word with him. The cctv made it look like RB stroked the lads face which clearly enraged him and then he threw a punch in on Barkley, before the lad got dragged off and wellied everywhere
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 11, 2017, 01:38:28 AM
This thread has suddenly gone a bit trip adviser.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 11, 2017, 02:59:54 AM
Regardless of what had or hadn't been going on, flicking someone's chin a few times with the back of your hand while talking to them is going to rub anyone up the wrong way. You can't complain about being knocked out if you're going round doing that to blokes in a bar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBQetJqAwk
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bluenose27 on July 11, 2017, 03:31:34 AM
He is being badly advised! It is strange though that the only manager that he has played under that has picked him regularly was Martinez. I think he has a problem taking on instructions given him by the coach and delivering them on the pitch.
 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 03:35:33 AM
He is being badly advised! It is strange though that the only manager that he has played under that has picked him regularly was Martinez. I think he has a problem taking on instructions given him by the coach and delivering them on the pitch.
 

He played 42 times last season, 32 times in the Prem.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bluenose27 on July 11, 2017, 03:39:44 AM
He played 42 times last season, 32 times in the Prem.


Did he actually start that many games?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 03:40:58 AM
Did he actually start that many games?

32 starts in the Prem, 4 sub appearances.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 11, 2017, 03:44:00 AM
32 starts in the Prem, 4 sub appearances.

Wish you'd fuck off with your facts
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 11, 2017, 03:46:10 AM
I don't care what anyone says, he's a diamond and he's going to have an absolute monster of a year for the mighty blues.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 11, 2017, 03:53:23 AM
Wish you'd fuck off with your facts

They're inconvenient aren't they, when you're trying to push an agenda? Soz, won't do it again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 11, 2017, 04:00:17 AM
Yeah, he was dropped for a couple of games, but I think there was an international break in there and all told he was "out of the team" for about 2-3 games, but that was spread over a month or so, which makes it feel longer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Dreggs on July 11, 2017, 04:47:40 PM
After watching the Rooney Press Conference I felt that Barkley will be staying...

If I heard correctly and obviously 'reading between the lines' when asked about Barkley, Ronald said something like ' That will be the next Press Conference, this one is about Wayne'

I think... 😁
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 11, 2017, 04:55:23 PM
After watching the Rooney Press Conference I felt that Barkley will be staying...

If I heard correctly and obviously 'reading between the lines' when asked about Barkley, Ronald said something like ' That will be the next Press Conference, this one is about Wayne'

I think... 😁

I think he said 'That will be for the next press conference' which means something completely different.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 11, 2017, 06:14:29 PM
The way Koeman smiled he was obviously happy with the situation.

I guess that means there have been no offers for him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 11, 2017, 06:23:05 PM
After watching the Rooney Press Conference I felt that Barkley will be staying...

If I heard correctly and obviously 'reading between the lines' when asked about Barkley, Ronald said something like ' That will be the next Press Conference, this one is about Wayne'

I think...
Your quote is what he said at the start when asked about other players he was looking to sign. The Barkley question was at the end when he smiled tolerantly and repeated it was for the next conference, meaning they will be free to ask about other players then.

Ironically he immediately made a justified exception as the next question was about Lennon.

Nothing between the lines for me, he just effectively said 'save the usual bollocks for another day please lads' while giving nothing away.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Trowel on July 12, 2017, 02:54:25 AM
Hasn't traveled to Tanzania according to Dom King:
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/884862634566332416
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on July 12, 2017, 02:55:25 AM
Hasn't traveled to Tanzania according to Dom King:
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/884862634566332416
Hmmm groin problem? Ok then!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Trowel on July 12, 2017, 02:57:42 AM
Great to see Bolasie travelling with the squad for fitness \o/

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/07/11/blues-depart-for-historic-tanzania-trip


11 July 2017 20:49

Wayne Rooney has been named by Ronald Koeman in a 25-man Everton squad which headed to Tanzania on Tuesday night.
 
The squad departed Liverpool Airport for Dar es Salaam with new signing Rooney perhaps set to play in his first game back on Thursday in a friendly.
 
Fellow new arrivals Davy Klaassen and Michael Keane are also part of the travelling squad, along with all five of the Blues’ Under-20 World Cup winners.
 
Ross Barkley has not travelled owing to a groin injury for which he is receiving treatment, nor have Ramiro Funes Mori, who is recovering from a knee injury sustained last season, and Joel Robles.
 
Jordan Pickford, Mason Holgate and Sandro Ramirez all participated in the Under-21 European Championship and will return later this month.
 
Everton face Kenyan champions Gor Mahia on Thursday evening (5pm local time, 3pm UK) - click here to sign up for live video coverage.
 
Squad: Maarten Stekelenburg, Mateusz Hewelt, Chris Renshaw, Tom Davies, Phil Jagielka, Ashley Williams, Callum Connolly, Jonjoe Kenny, Michael Keane, Muhamed Besic, Leighton Baines, Morgan Schneiderlin, James McCarthy, Davy Klaassen, Gareth Barry, Idrissa Gana Gueye, Joe Williams, Kieran Dowell, Kevin Mirallas, Wayne Rooney, Aaron Lennon, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Ademola Lookman, Matthew Pennington, Yannick Bolasie.
Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 12, 2017, 03:00:31 AM
Hmmm groin problem? Ok then!
Hmmm yet he was seen training with Rooney and also Bolasie is on the flight ...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 12, 2017, 03:04:41 AM
https://twitter.com/Georgesimonds12/status/884863095654502405
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Alanvideo on July 12, 2017, 03:08:08 AM
Hmmm yet he was seen training with Rooney and also Bolasie is on the flight ...
............Niasse not in the party either .
Incidentally the Sea Cliff Hotel in Dar Es Salaam mentioned on the OS looks very nice ,if this is where they are staying.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2017, 03:12:32 AM
The end is nigh I fear for our old diamond.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on July 12, 2017, 03:13:15 AM
He's going isn't he...

Bollocks.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 12, 2017, 03:13:23 AM
Hasn't traveled to Tanzania according to Dom King:
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/884862634566332416

Must be from the bollock he's dropped by not signing a new contract and no one else being interested in him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 12, 2017, 03:15:04 AM
Yep - for both shiny and rough diamond
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2017, 04:42:10 AM
Tom Davies better be good mate, I need a young scouser to be backing at all times.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 12, 2017, 04:49:22 AM
Rumour going that Lpool are interested...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 12, 2017, 04:52:21 AM
sandro and pickford havent gone either though...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 12, 2017, 04:53:42 AM
Rumour going that Lpool are interested...

Genuinely wouldn't surprise me if he went there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 12, 2017, 04:56:49 AM
sandro and pickford havent gone either though...

Because they were at the under 21s
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 12, 2017, 05:00:27 AM
Because they were at the under 21s

Nah mate. If he went there he'd be getting sparked every weekend. I've never thought he was that intelligent but i know he isn't that dumb... I think he'll sign but I don't know who for. Hope it's us at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 12, 2017, 05:03:17 AM
So much tv money sloshing around the PL there will be someone ready to take a punt on him.

Sad it hasnt worked out here but he's not done enough to convince me the last 3 seasons.

Best for all concerned if he tries another club I think.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 12, 2017, 05:10:12 AM
Because they were at the under 21s

Ah ok!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 12, 2017, 05:23:15 AM
Worth re-posting this chestnut...

https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/the-data-scout-gylfi-sigurdsson-v-ross-barkley-part-one/

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This is where Sigurdsson’s game falls down. He’s well below average at making the more difficult passes stick. Evertonians will be interested to note that Sigurdsson profiles like a poor man’s Rooney here or a very poor man’s Coutinho/Silva/Ozil/Firmino.

Barkley on the other hand is above average at making more difficult passes stick and profiles as a poor man’s Yaya Toure, or a very poor man’s Fabregas.

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On top of this, over the last two years Sigurdsson’s involvement has dropped to the point where Barkley is passing the ball twice as much as the Icelander during a game.

Neither comes out as anything like the man to take Everton onwards and upwards but Barkley is a clear winner in the general passing stakes.

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Barkley not only wins the ball back a lot more than Sigurdsson but in much deeper areas too

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If the idea is to bring in Sigurdsson for what he does now, then already the data is flagging up some big worries. If the idea is to bring him in for something different then he’s got to adapt to that, a team in wider transition and a change in living circumstances.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: mikey_blue on July 12, 2017, 05:32:15 AM
I genuinely think the lads head's gone. A fully focused Ross Barkley is inconsistent at best, I don't even want to see a Ross Barkley with one foot out the door. As much as it pains me, just get shut and move on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 12, 2017, 02:41:26 PM
sandro and pickford havent gone either though...
Still not due back Lizz after Euros...said they will be joining later in the month.

Edit...Maybe I should read other replies first  :bonk:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2017, 03:01:50 PM
I genuinely think the lads head's gone. A fully focused Ross Barkley is inconsistent at best, I don't even want to see a Ross Barkley with one foot out the door. As much as it pains me, just get shut and move on.

Hate to admit it but this.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 03:54:14 PM
We need to keep Barkley till the end of the window to make sure we get his, now customary, opening fixture goal.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 12, 2017, 04:02:02 PM
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on July 12, 2017, 04:26:25 PM
Am hoping Ross run's his contract down with us - only to sign on a free! 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 12, 2017, 05:50:03 PM
Am hoping Ross run's his contract down with us - only to sign on a free! 

He'll be like a new signing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 12, 2017, 06:16:46 PM
Wonder what sort of fee we will accept for him... last year of his contract so cant be so much ?

If its only say £20m that wont cover a top replacement...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 12, 2017, 06:34:09 PM
Wonder what sort of fee we will accept for him... last year of his contract so cant be so much ?

If its only say £20m that wont cover a top replacement...

Well we paid £25-30m for Keane. Barkley is an attacking player so I'd expect an extra premium there.

If we don't need the money then I'd expect it to be c.£40m
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 12, 2017, 07:59:10 PM
Well we paid £25-30m for Keane. Barkley is an attacking player so I'd expect an extra premium there.

If we don't need the money then I'd expect it to be c.£40m

Ah but Keane had over a year left on his contract when we signed him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 12, 2017, 08:02:33 PM
Ah but Keane had over a year left on his contract when we signed him.

Keane had a year left and one season in the prem.

Ross is worth £40m+ by the current market but I think he'll go for 25-30.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 12, 2017, 08:18:38 PM
Keane had a year left and one season in the prem.

Ross is worth £40m+ by the current market but I think he'll go for 25-30.

He had a year and two weeks when he signed. Barkley now has about 50 weeks left :p

Those 4 weeks make all the difference...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 12, 2017, 08:20:40 PM
Keane had a year left and one season in the prem.

Ross is worth £40m+ by the current market but I think he'll go for 25-30.

But nobody is particularly keen on him? The big clubs seemingly aren't too arsed and will wait til he's on a free

He won't want to go to the shit clubs that may cough up that much e.g West Ham / Newcastle

I doubt we'll be getting very much at all
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 12, 2017, 08:34:09 PM
But nobody is particularly keen on him? The big clubs seemingly aren't too arsed and will wait til he's on a free

He won't want to go to the shit clubs that may cough up that much e.g West Ham / Newcastle

I doubt we'll be getting very much at all

Like everyone was telling us the big clubs weren't arsed for Lukaku?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: starblood on July 12, 2017, 08:43:34 PM
Like everyone was telling us the big clubs weren't arsed for Lukaku?
For me he's got all the attributes of an Arsenal player. It wouldn't surprise me one iota if they don't reveal their hand at some point before the window shuts.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
For me he's got all the attributes of an Arsenal player. It wouldn't surprise me one iota if they don't reveal their hand at some point before the window shuts.

Especially if Oxlade-Chamberlain decides he's off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Waltzer on July 12, 2017, 08:54:03 PM
I think the predominant reasons teams above us will be interested is down to the fact that he is English, hes young, and hes coming into the last year of his contract. Arsenal might be interested so maybe we should do a swap with the Ox as hes in the same boat?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on July 12, 2017, 10:47:04 PM
But Arsenal aren't in the champions league, wasn't that what Ross was whinging about to Koeman ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 12, 2017, 11:55:52 PM
But Arsenal aren't in the champions league, wasn't that what Ross was whinging about to Koeman ?
They're a level above us at the minute though. It'd be a step up for the lad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 13, 2017, 12:14:23 AM
But Arsenal aren't in the champions league, wasn't that what Ross was whinging about to Koeman ?

No, said he wanted guaranteed first-team football to help him get into the England team for the 2018 World Cup.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2017, 12:23:00 AM
Depending on what you read and who you believe regarding Ross, he wants CL football, guarantees of playing regularly, and £140k a week.

We can't/won't grant him any of those wishes.

If he wants CL football he could make the bench at Spurs, Arsenal (will probably qualify next year) City, or United if they stump up the cash that we want (£30m would be my guess)

If he wants to be a guaranteed starter, he would be looking at West Ham and Newcastle.

If he wants £140k a week he would likely have to make do with £100k whether he stays or moves on to pastures new.

If he does leave though, I don't want his replacement to be an overpriced Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: bluenuck on July 13, 2017, 12:27:09 AM
Depending on what you read and who you believe regarding Ross, he wants CL football, guarantees of playing regularly, and £140k a week.

We can't/won't grant him any of those wishes.

If he wants CL football he could make the bench at Spurs, Arsenal (will probably qualify next year) City, or United if they stump up the cash that we want (£30m would be my guess)

If he wants to be a guaranteed starter, he would be looking at West Ham and Newcastle.

If he wants £140k a week he would likely have to make do with £100k whether he stays or moves on to pastures new.

If he does leave though, I don't want his replacement to be an overpriced Sigurdsson.

Pretty much.

Ross won't get regular playing time at any of the 6 clubs ahead of us. But he'll get to watch CL football from the best seat in the house, and get 140k a week.

Or, Does he play all the time for us, get 100k or so a week, and play on a team that looks like they'll be pushing for top 4 in the next few seasons?

He has to be careful he doesn't become the new Fabian Delph.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 13, 2017, 12:28:47 AM
Pretty much.

Ross won't get regular playing time at any of the 6 clubs ahead of us. But he'll get to watch CL football from the best seat in the house, and get 140k a week.

Or, Does he play all the time for us, get 100k or so a week, and play on a team that looks like they'll be pushing for top 4 in the next few seasons?

He has to be careful he doesn't become the new Fabian Delph.

Yes, the Delph parallel is highly possible.

I don't think he will get £140k anywhere, though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 13, 2017, 12:29:35 AM
The way we are spending, he would be lucky to get a place on OUR bench already, never mind the end of the transfer window. If I was him, I would sign whatever was on the table and be part of this new Everton revolution.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on July 13, 2017, 12:31:29 AM
Like everyone was telling us the big clubs weren't arsed for Lukaku?

Good point. MLT seemed convinced they were not bothered about him, turned out being United and Chelsea's prime transfer target.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on July 13, 2017, 12:45:50 AM
No, said he wanted guaranteed first-team football to help him get into the England team for the 2018 World Cup.

Must admit don't remember him saying that, but with our signings there will be more competition for places and if he's unwilling to compete for a place, then maybe he shouldn't be here. Koeman has been quoted a few times saying, Ross wants CL football. The first team footy thing is new to me, do you have a link for that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 13, 2017, 12:48:20 AM
Good point. MLT seemed convinced they were not bothered about him, turned out being United and Chelsea's prime transfer target.

Not so much not bothered but unwilling to risk the big fee. I thought he'd end up at Chelsea next year or the year after on a free. Was obviously wrong though
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on July 13, 2017, 12:50:39 AM
Not so much not bothered but unwilling to risk the big fee. I thought he'd end up at Chelsea next year or the year after on a free. Was obviously wrong though

Fair enough
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on July 13, 2017, 01:09:33 AM
I would like to see a front 3 of Rooney Sandro and Barkley with Klaassen as the tip of the midfield triangle behind them.  Pace and running power of two players up top to help Rooney and enough creativity and quick thinkers to support Barkley to make better decisions.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 13, 2017, 01:14:48 AM
Good point. MLT seemed convinced they were not bothered about him, turned out being United and Chelsea's prime transfer target.

United and Chelsea both had a fairly clear need and opening for a first choice striker though, how many of them need an attacking midfielder as a pressing signing? Maybe Arsenal? As noted by others, at most he'd sit on the bench making up an English player quota
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Waltzer on July 13, 2017, 04:01:12 AM
Rumours from a spurs forum that he's off to them for 40 million. Be interesting to see his wages as I don't even think they pay as much as us, plus he won't play!
Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 13, 2017, 04:15:03 AM
Rumours from a spurs forum that he's off to them for 40 million. Be interesting to see his wages as I don't even think they pay as much as us, plus he won't play!
I'd be very happy with that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on July 13, 2017, 04:18:05 AM
I would like to see a front 3 of Rooney Sandro and Barkley with Klaassen as the tip of the midfield triangle behind them.  Pace and running power of two players up top to help Rooney and enough creativity and quick thinkers to support Barkley to make better decisions.

I like the sound of that!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 13, 2017, 04:25:16 AM
Be fucking devestated watching him play for Spurs.

My favourite song to shout around the house of a Saturday afternoon on my second beer before the blues kick off, followed closely by Forever Everton.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 13, 2017, 05:30:00 AM
I really wish that he wanted to stay  :(
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 13, 2017, 05:34:16 AM
I really don't care whether he stays or goes.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 13, 2017, 05:35:47 AM
 :-\
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on July 13, 2017, 05:40:57 AM
Wish we knew more about this one, strange how it's all very quiet.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 13, 2017, 05:44:07 AM
I think he's making a mistake if he goes. But, and its difficult to tell because he has kept silent, it looks more and more like he doesn't want to be here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 13, 2017, 07:20:31 AM
My gut says he'll see out his contract and leave on a free next summer. Unless something changes within the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 13, 2017, 12:27:17 PM
Rumours from a spurs forum that he's off to them for 40 million. Be interesting to see his wages as I don't even think they pay as much as us, plus he won't play!

Yeah £100k is the max that they pay.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 13, 2017, 01:20:59 PM
My gut says he'll see out his contract and leave on a free next summer. Unless something changes within the season.

The club are not going to allow him to leave on a free.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Fynci on July 13, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
The club are not going to allow him to leave on a free.

Not a lot they can do. If he runs down his contract then he can do what he pleases. I just think it will be an uncomfortable year as a bit part player for the U23s
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bwana on July 13, 2017, 01:44:11 PM
If he sees out his contract, someone will definitely come and get him. Someone in the likes of West Ham or Newcastle (if they manage to stay up). Granted, Ross will probably get a better wages but what has then changed? On top of the fact that he'll be having a reputation of someone who rocks the boat, thus affecting his re-sale value.

His best option would've been signing with Everton. Now he's a driftwood.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 13, 2017, 01:45:47 PM
I wish people would stop making cases for the likes of Newcastle and fucking West Ham. He's better than that!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on July 13, 2017, 01:49:24 PM
I wish people would stop making cases for the likes of Newcastle and fucking West Ham. He's better than that!

He is 100% better than that.

But who above us would take him?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 13, 2017, 01:50:12 PM
Bored of this now
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GoodisonPk on July 13, 2017, 01:51:35 PM
I wish people would stop making cases for the likes of Newcastle and fucking West Ham. He's better than that!

I don't think he is. I really don't.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 13, 2017, 02:26:22 PM
He's in the Jay Spearing/jonjo Shelvey mold.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 13, 2017, 02:34:58 PM
He's in the Jay Spearing/jonjo Shelvey mold.

Fair play on the wumming effort. Showing some great commitment to the cause recently.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 13, 2017, 02:36:37 PM
He is 100% better than that.

But who above us would take him?

Next season on a free? Each and every one of them.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 13, 2017, 02:38:05 PM
Yeah £100k is the max that they pay.

Can't see that lasting in today's markets. Not if they want to stay at the top.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 13, 2017, 02:38:54 PM
He is 100% better than that.

But who above us would take him?

Spurs
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 13, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
He's in the Jay Spearing/jonjo Shelvey mold.

fucking hell
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 13, 2017, 05:39:07 PM
Weird how we have heard nothing about what's going on here. No real rumours apart from the off the shelf "guaranteed first team football each and every week", "more money" kind of stuff.

I get the feeling that he just wants to move. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with that. It's his life.

So maybe RK etc want Ross to stay, but they're banging their heads against the wall trying to tie him down. Which is why they're willing to pay through the nose to replace Ross with a Prem proven player, who may or may not be Icelandic.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 13, 2017, 05:42:48 PM
Fair play on the wumming effort. Showing some great commitment to the cause recently.

He's a bit too transparent with it. Needs more practice to get people to rise to it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gary1878 on July 13, 2017, 05:48:52 PM
Weird how we have heard nothing about what's going on here. No real rumours apart from the off the shelf "guaranteed first team football each and every week", "more money" kind of stuff.

I get the feeling that he just wants to move. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with that. It's his life.

So maybe RK etc want Ross to stay, but they're banging their heads against the wall trying to tie him down. Which is why they're willing to pay through the nose to replace Ross with a Prem proven player, who may or may not be Icelandic.




I agree - I find the whole thing strange how there has been no news about Ross at all. It sounds like we have come to a complete standstill on negotiations, and are willing to let his contract run down unless a mega offer comes in for him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 13, 2017, 06:46:23 PM
He'd do well at Newcastle or West Ham tbf.

If this was the other way round and Ross was doing this to another club and I thought we could sign him for around £40m (as that seems to be the price being quoted) then I wouldn't want to sign him for that. People seem to be moaning about paying for that for Sig, who has been the stand out player in that team for years, Barkley has been nowhere near that with us.

If he was available on a free then I'd be thinking 'ye he'd be worth a gamble' probably just as a squad player but could possibly force his way in to a team.


Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 13, 2017, 06:50:29 PM
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Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 14, 2017, 12:22:16 AM
Spurs will have a nice chunk of change from rinsing Man City for Walker by the weekend, so maybe they'll make their move then.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 14, 2017, 12:34:56 AM
Spurs will have a nice chunk of change from rinsing Man City for Walker by the weekend, so maybe they'll make their move then.

Maybe, but I don't see them spending big this summer. I think they have a 300 million stadium bill they need to pay off.

Mind you they'll probably sell Dier for 50 odd million next too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 14, 2017, 12:35:57 AM
As my local hero he's been overtaken by Tom Davies... and now Keiran Dowell is coming up.

Not arsed if he goes now, I've moved on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 14, 2017, 12:38:16 AM
Maybe, but I don't see them spending big this summer. I think they have a 300 million stadium bill they need to pay off.

Mind you they'll probably sell Dier for 50 odd million next too.

That puts the money we pay for Sig into perspective. Dier is not a 50 million pound player either.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 14, 2017, 12:43:18 AM
Maybe, but I don't see them spending big this summer. I think they have a 300 million stadium bill they need to pay off.

Mind you they'll probably sell Dier for 50 odd million next too.

Pretty sure it's expected to cost £800m+.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 12:44:21 AM
That puts the money we pay for Sig into perspective. Dier is not a 50 million pound player either.

I'd say Dier is far and away the best English defensive midfielder and one of England's best players. I'm not sure there are many PL clubs who wouldn't pay £50m for him, but no one expected him to want to leave Spurs.

Personally I can see why teams would pay that sort of fee for him, Walker not as much.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 12:46:16 AM
Agreed
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 14, 2017, 12:47:25 AM
Really can't see the fuss with Dier tbh
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: hannu on July 14, 2017, 12:48:44 AM
we could have signed dier but we didnt want to pay i think it was £1m at the time
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: stirlingblue on July 14, 2017, 12:49:57 AM
I'd say Dier is far and away the best English defensive midfielder and one of England's best players. I'm not sure there are many PL clubs who wouldn't pay £50m for him, but no one expected him to want to leave Spurs.

Personally I can see why teams would pay that sort of fee for him, Walker not as much.

Not sure he's worth £10m more than what Magic is being touted for
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 14, 2017, 12:50:25 AM
I'd say Dier is far and away the best English defensive midfielder and one of England's best players. I'm not sure there are many PL clubs who wouldn't pay £50m for him, but no one expected him to want to leave Spurs.

Personally I can see why teams would pay that sort of fee for him, Walker not as much.

Nah, don't buy that at all. He barely got regular games last season at Spurs, and they looked improved for it . He was replaced by better and they had to try and slot him into a 3 at the back at times.

He's becoming a utility player as he isn't particularly great in any role. I think Man United would've rather got Matic but I guess they pissed off Chelsea after the Lukaku thing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 12:51:52 AM
Everton rejects:

Dier & Mustafi

Dier is worth £10m more than Stones
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 12:51:55 AM
So now we are saying dowell is a better option
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 14, 2017, 12:57:26 AM
There's a couple of reasons to be glad if Barkley does go:

1. He's by far the most frustrating Everton player I can remember in a very long time.

2. He's also the biggest opinion-splitter and we have to have that discussion almost every time he plays.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 14, 2017, 01:02:20 AM
There's a couple of reasons to be glad if Barkley does go:

1. He's by far the most frustrating Everton player I can remember in a very long time.

2. He's also the biggest opinion-splitter and we have to have that discussion almost every time he plays.

Regarding 2.) that's not going away as if he for example signs with Spurs anytime he plays and scores or assists it'll be "why did we sell him?". Also, you know that mantle will be passed on to some other player (Rooney?) before long. There always has to be a whipping boy.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 01:08:07 AM
Barkley has shot his bolt:

Sign a new contract and play;

Refuse to sign a new contract and don't play;

If no team makes a realistic offer, play for the U23's or not at all;

Leave for free next year;

They are the options, not Dowell
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 14, 2017, 01:27:20 AM
I think part of the problem was that Ross became the 'next big thing' before he became a player. We were all excited at the things we were hearing about this kid coming through the ranks. Many of us building him up in our minds as the 'new Rooney''The leg break obviously didn't help his development and he's never really put that consistent stamp on his game. There is a player in there, but whether he ever becomes that player is uncertain
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 01:30:18 AM
Nah, don't buy that at all. He barely got regular games last season at Spurs, and they looked improved for it . He was replaced by better and they had to try and slot him into a 3 at the back at times.

He's becoming a utility player as he isn't particularly great in any role. I think Man United would've rather got Matic but I guess they pissed off Chelsea after the Lukaku thing.

Dier missed 2 PL games, 1 through injury and other was rested after 2 games earlier in the week. He was used in defence when they wanted to play 3 at the back, or when there was an injury. He was 3rd centre back, Dembele was the one to make way if they were both fit.

I rate him above Schneiderlin and among the best defensive midfielders in the league. But he's a good 5 years younger than most the others and you could make a case his long term future is in central defence.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 01:38:10 AM
Dead right and should be Captain
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 14, 2017, 01:41:56 AM
Series of complicated circumstances could end with a talented local lad being thrown
like a torn welly to the dogs of fete, when he could still do a grand job for us if someone
with some sense took a hold of the situation, the lads done not a lot wrong if anything at
all...somert stinks
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GoodisonPk on July 14, 2017, 01:46:15 AM
I think he has done a lot wrong...endless mistimed passes doesn't track back in a disciplined manner. Has a wonderful half every now and then and then goes into his shell. Can't carry that anymore.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 14, 2017, 01:50:47 AM
I'd say Dier is far and away the best English defensive midfielder and one of England's best players. I'm not sure there are many PL clubs who wouldn't pay £50m for him, but no one expected him to want to leave Spurs.

Personally I can see why teams would pay that sort of fee for him, Walker not as much.

I wouldnt swap Schneiderlin, Gueye, Davies or Barkley for him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 14, 2017, 01:53:03 AM
Would love him to sign a new deal and shut a few people up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 01:54:16 AM
That's up to Ross

No doubt the contract is on the table
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 01:57:57 AM
I wouldnt swap Schneiderlin, Gueye, Davies or Barkley for him.

You think all of them would get in Spurs first team?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 14, 2017, 01:58:37 AM
That's up to Ross

No doubt the contract is on the table

No doubt?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 02:01:09 AM
The contract is obviously on the table because Koeman said "sign the contract or be sold".

Not sure why the club should take any stick because an average player is tying to hold the club to ransom.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 02:03:03 AM
No doubt

(Above average)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 14, 2017, 02:03:14 AM
The contract is obviously on the table because Koeman said "sign the contract or be sold".

Not sure why the club should take any stick because an average player is tying to hold the club to ransom.

And do we know what is in the contract offer that may or may not be on the table?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 14, 2017, 02:03:18 AM
You think all of them would get in Spurs first team?

Their midfield is setup slightly differently.  I wouldnt pick him in the Everton side over them.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 02:04:47 AM
Straight in for me - alongside Keane
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 02:10:29 AM
Their midfield is setup slightly differently.  I wouldnt pick him in the Everton side over them.

It's pretty similar, Wanyama and Dier, do similar jobs to Gueye and Schneiderlin in a double pivot. When they play a single pivot that's normally Dier.

Can understand why people don't really see it with as he's pretty unspectacular for the most part.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on July 14, 2017, 02:23:50 AM
Series of complicated circumstances could end with a talented local lad being thrown
like a torn welly to the dogs of fete, when he could still do a grand job for us if someone
with some sense took a hold of the situation, the lads done not a lot wrong if anything at
all...somert stinks

Didnt mean to like that one as it's a load of bollocks, the one that needs to take hold of the situation is Barkley, the contract is on the table, who else should take hold of the situation ???
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 14, 2017, 02:47:52 AM
It's pretty similar, Wanyama and Dier, do similar jobs to Gueye and Schneiderlin in a double pivot. When they play a single pivot that's normally Dier.

Can understand why people don't really see it with as he's pretty unspectacular for the most part.

Which is weird when i'd rate Dembele over either of them and all of our lads!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on July 14, 2017, 02:49:20 AM
As my local hero he's been overtaken by Tom Davies... and now Keiran Dowell is coming up.

Not arsed if he goes now, I've moved on.
Feeling the same. I get a feeling that he thinks he's better than he is and it sounds mad to say this but I feel he doesn't "get it" with us. Not sure just something about Ross tbh.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 03:18:13 AM
Which is weird when i'd rate Dembele over either of them and all of our lads!

Is that the sort of anomaly that might cause you to revise you're opinions.  :whistle:

He plays similar sort of role to Matic at Chelsea, Matic is better in possession, Dier's better in the air and more mobile.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on July 14, 2017, 03:22:05 AM
There's a couple of reasons to be glad if Barkley does go:

1. He's by far the most frustrating Everton player I can remember in a very long time.

2. He's also the biggest opinion-splitter and we have to have that discussion almost every time he plays.

1) McGeady?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 14, 2017, 03:25:03 AM
Reckon Ross is getting away with a lot as he is a local lad. Anyone else doing this to Everton would be getting all sorts of abuse and rightly so.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 03:28:22 AM
Reckon Ross is getting away with a lot as he is a local lad. Anyone else doing this to Everton would be getting all sorts of abuse and rightly so.
He's getting abuse
Has been for over a year now.

What's he doing?
Not signing a deal that neither me or you know anything about

Just cos a contract is on the table doesn't mean he should sign it.. Fucking hell if only football was that simple
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 03:33:00 AM
And there's the rub:

Presumably, a take it or leave it contract - simple
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 14, 2017, 03:36:40 AM
He's getting abuse
Has been for over a year now.

What's he doing?
Not signing a deal that neither me or you know anything about

Just cos a contract is on the table doesn't mean he should sign it.. Fucking hell if only football was that simple

Abuse from who. Most Evertonians are hoping he signs. They want him to do well. We all do. Sounds like he is holding the club to ransom and being quite selfish. he has been offered a contract. unless it's less than 60k per week( he isn't worth much more in fairness)He should sign the thing and prove why he is worth 150k per week or whatever else he wants.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 03:39:20 AM
Sign the contract, get in the first team and play well

The world's his oyster
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 14, 2017, 03:40:02 AM
He gets all sorts of abuse, have you read this forum over the last two years?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 03:40:08 AM
Abuse from who. Most Evertonians are hoping he signs. They want him to do well. We all do. Sounds like he is holding the club to ransom and being quite selfish. he has been offered a contract. unless it's less than 60k per week( he isn't worth much more in fairness)He should sign the thing and prove why he is worth 150k per week or whatever else he wants.
He gets abuse every home game
He got abused that much he shut his instagram page down.
He gets abused on twitter

Go onto any absolutely fucking ridiculous Facebook Everton page and you will see abuse... Them pages are the worst by the way

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 03:43:21 AM
I don't know where this 'he gets abuse every home game' from. It's nonesense.
He gets as much shit as anyone else would for making a mistake, the odd groan, the odd "for fuck sake".
It's such bollocks to make out he gets terrorised by his own fans every home game.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 14, 2017, 03:45:13 AM
He's also very clearly the type of person who takes that kind of shit pretty personally.  Wish the hordes would take the hint and lay off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 03:45:21 AM
I don't know where this 'he gets abuse every home game' from. It's nonesense.
He gets as much shit as anyone else would for making a mistake, the odd groan, the odd "for fuck sake".
It's such bollocks to make out he gets terrorised by his own fans every home game.
Where you sit is obviously very different from me
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 14, 2017, 03:46:24 AM
I don't know where this 'he gets abuse every home game' from. It's nonesense.
He gets as much shit as anyone else would for making a mistake, the odd groan, the odd "for fuck sake".
It's such bollocks to make out he gets terrorised by his own fans every home game.

He gets terrorised by you on here every day so I don't think it's that far fetched.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 03:47:33 AM
He gets terrorised by you on here every day so I don't think it's that far fetched.

Haha terrorised? Saying I don't rate him?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 14, 2017, 03:52:01 AM
Haha terrorised? Saying I don't rate him?

Get a grip.

He's made your head fall right off like.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 03:59:40 AM
not even debating it, he's the whipping boy.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 04:00:48 AM
He's made your head fall right off like.




As con said earlier, he gets an easy ride compared to others.

But to make out he gets abused by fans is absurd. If that's the case then why is not everyone who doesn't rate Niasse or McGeady or McCarthy or Robles also called out for being out of order, why are none of them 'whipping boys'. Apparently it's fine to say you don't rate any of them, but you cross some line if you say it about Barkley.

I don't care whether he stays or goes, he's as important to this team as McCarthy, Mori or Barry or someone like that. Happy if he wants to stay and fight for a place, but really not bothered if he wants to leave either.

It's hardly screaming abuse at him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Alanvideo on July 14, 2017, 04:03:11 AM
Where you sit is obviously very different from me
............and where you sit is different to me. Barkley doesn't get any abuse from my section of the stand. The odd groan as others have said but not abuse.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 04:03:46 AM
............and where you sit is different to me. Barkley doesn't get any abuse from my section of the stand. The odd groan as others have said but not abuse.

Weird thing is I sit right by @Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329)

Edit: and no, it's not me shouting abuse at him 😉
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 04:21:24 AM
Feeling the same. I get a feeling that he thinks he's better than he is and it sounds mad to say this but I feel he doesn't "get it" with us. Not sure just something about Ross tbh.

Barkley has been nailed to the cross as the new messiah, on his own, for most of his career. He's stayed when he had voices in his ear to leave at a younger age. He's had creative responsibility pretty much on his own for last few years. Bolasie took some of the burden this season, but once he got injured, we again lacked another player who can dribble and create something.

Barkley was subbed off at half time against Sunderland at 0-0 and we won 3-0, but he started next game. He was subbed off at Southampton, but he was then left on bench against United in game Bolasie got the injury. Koeman subbed him back on next game at 3-1 down to Watford, I think he would have sat out for longer if it wasn't for lack of alternatives and things getting worse without him.

Ross might have been receptive to new contract for a long time, then being made example of made him reconsider options. All he's done for the club, all the expectations, new manager doesn't appear to like, want or appreciate him. You never get to pick your bosses, but some of them didn't pick you either. You can go from having an important voice to feeling like you don't have as much influence, involvement and more importantly respect.

I think for Barkley there is a very easy get out if he did have a change of heart. He could argue that he wanted the club to compete and it's now showing the kind of ambition and intent he desired, never wanted to actually leave. But I think him and Koeman now have a problematic relationship and it's difficult to see how it could improve significantly enough, given how many times they've hung each other out to dry.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on July 14, 2017, 04:26:25 AM
Barkley has been nailed to the cross as the new messiah, on his own, for most of his career. He's stayed when he had voices in his ear to leave at a younger age. He's had creative responsibility pretty much on his own for last few years. Bolasie took some of the burden this season, but once he got injured, we again lacked another player who can dribble and create something.

Barkley was subbed off at half time against Sunderland at 0-0 and we won 3-0, but he started next game. He was subbed off at Southampton, but he was then left on bench against United in game Bolasie got the injury. Koeman subbed him back on next game at 3-1 down to Watford, I think he would have sat out for longer if it wasn't for lack of alternatives and things getting worse without him.

Ross might have been receptive to new contract for a long time, then being made example of made him reconsider options. All he's done for the club, all the expectations, new manager doesn't appear to like, want or appreciate him. You never get to pick your bosses, but some of them didn't pick you either. You can go from having an important voice to feeling like you don't have as much influence, involvement and more importantly respect.

I think for Barkley there is a very easy get out if he did have a change of heart. He could argue that he wanted the club to compete and it's now showing the kind of ambition and intent he desired, never wanted to actually leave. But I think him and Koeman now have a problematic relationship and it's difficult to see how it could improve significantly enough, given how many times they've hung each other out to dry.


In that Sunderland game he was absolutely atrocious. Everything he did went wrong and he didn't seem to have the resolve to get himself back into the game or even do the simple thing right. Incidents like that probably stayed with and haunted him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 14, 2017, 04:29:03 AM
Not sure Koeman is arsed really.  He's worked with far better players than Barkley in his career.  And he's had to go out and get forwards anyway.  With Rooney and Klaassen (and maybe Sigurdsson), I really don't know where Barkley would fit in anyway.  He played wide quite a bit last season, and that's the only place he would fit in at the moment (with the exception of normal squad rotation).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 14, 2017, 04:46:00 AM
Not sure Koeman is arsed really.  He's worked with far better players than Barkley in his career.  And he's had to go out and get forwards anyway.  With Rooney and Klaassen (and maybe Sigurdsson), I really don't know where Barkley would fit in anyway.  He played wide quite a bit last season, and that's the only place he would fit in at the moment (with the exception of normal squad rotation).

Rooney plays further forward, klaassen plays further back.
Sigurdsson plays wider. Whilst it seems sigurdsson wants to play more centrally, if his main weapon is a cross then it'd be a bit daft to put him out there.

So Barkley still has a place in the team if he can play like he does a lot of the time. Which is sound
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 14, 2017, 04:47:28 AM
The problem I have with the people who don't rate him is that despite stating their opinions as fact, they offer nothing to back it up and just seem to ignore his positive attributes.

Here's how conversations around him go:

"He gives the ball away too much"
"He had a 83% pass rate success last season, that's higher than Dele Alli"
"Yeah but he doesn't take any risks, they're basic five yard passes he fucks up"
"Actually, he created more chances than any other player his age or younger in Europe last season"

*A few days pass*

"Don't care if he stays or goes, he gives the ball away too much."

It's like groundhog day discussing his ability.

Then you get on his current contract situation where the only bit of information we know is that he's been offered a contract and that he's yet to sign it which came from Koeman. Nothing else has come out of the club and nothing has come from Ross Barkley.

Despite this, people are making up their own stories in their heads, calling him a greedy prick or saying that he's up his own arse and doesn't realise how good he's got it.

If Aaron Lennon's recent struggles tell us anything, it's that FOOTBALLERS ARE PEOPLE too. We have very little idea of what is going on in this situation or the amount of factors at play. Maybe Ross is struggling with the pressure? maybe Koeman has treated him badly? maybe he absolute hates the club and is desperate to play for Bournemouth?

Whatever the reason, we don't know why he hasn't signed the contract and anyone making assumptions about what's going on is basing such assumptions almost entirely on conjecture and/or preconceived agendas.

Whether he signs or not, the amount of bollocks that gets spoken about a player who apparently isn't all that important to the squad is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 14, 2017, 04:56:26 AM
I don't think it's any more complicated than Koeman doesn't really rate him and Barkley kind of suspects it too.

Not every player will be every manager's cup of tea and if Ross isn't then so be it. Koeman is more valuable to Everton Football Club than Ross Barkley so it's probably best he left to pursue a career elsewhere.
Better players than him have come and gone. We'll move on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 05:32:36 AM

In that Sunderland game he was absolutely atrocious. Everything he did went wrong and he didn't seem to have the resolve to get himself back into the game or even do the simple thing right. Incidents like that probably stayed with and haunted him.

Wasn't saying he wasn't. It was more the point, that he was shit in that Sunderland game, but was then straight back in. But second time round he left him out for 2 games, but Koeman lost his alternative options in first match. If you're going to make a statement to player about not being needed unless he works harder, it's a very bad time to suddenly lose the main reason you don't need him as much.

You don't have a higher standard for him to aspire to, you have an urgent need for him to fill in. It undermines the lesson you were trying to teach and makes it seem and look a bit more personal, more bitter than sensible, if you continue to exclude out of principle.

At some point in life, your dad stops appearing to be superman and when the student/employee thinks he knows better than the teacher/boss or is proved right, he loses some respect. There was never any real panic or worry about a new contract until near the end of the season and after we'd spent ages haggling with Lukaku over a new deal, when he had 2 years left.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 14, 2017, 06:07:07 AM
The problem I have with the people who don't rate him is that despite stating their opinions as fact, they offer nothing to back it up and just seem to ignore his positive attributes.

Here's how conversations around him go:

"He gives the ball away too much"
"He had a 83% pass rate success last season, that's higher than Dele Alli"
"Yeah but he doesn't take any risks, they're basic five yard passes he fucks up"
"Actually, he created more chances than any other player his age or younger in Europe last season"

*A few days pass*

"Don't care if he stays or goes, he gives the ball away too much."

It's like groundhog day discussing his ability.

Then you get on his current contract situation where the only bit of information we know is that he's been offered a contract and that he's yet to sign it which came from Koeman. Nothing else has come out of the club and nothing has come from Ross Barkley.

Despite this, people are making up their own stories in their heads, calling him a greedy prick or saying that he's up his own arse and doesn't realise how good he's got it.

If Aaron Lennon's recent struggles tell us anything, it's that FOOTBALLERS ARE PEOPLE too. We have very little idea of what is going on in this situation or the amount of factors at play. Maybe Ross is struggling with the pressure? maybe Koeman has treated him badly? maybe he absolute hates the club and is desperate to play for Bournemouth?

Whatever the reason, we don't know why he hasn't signed the contract and anyone making assumptions about what's going on is basing such assumptions almost entirely on conjecture and/or preconceived agendas.

Whether he signs or not, the amount of bollocks that gets spoken about a player who apparently isn't all that important to the squad is ridiculous.


I think there's probably very few that out and out don't rate him. He does an awful lot of good stuff but then he'll play that 2 ridiculously careless ball.
He strikes a ball beautifully yet he slashes at chances or tries to beat another player when a shots on

He's got loads of talent and so far an inability to quite put it all together. He almost can't be trusted because of his poor moments despite mainly being good

Think most of us want him to stay and develop into a great player he could be but I think a lot of us realise it might never quite happen even if he does

I don't think koeman is that bothered so it's not outlandish for some fans not to be bothered either

I'm absolutely not having he gets more abuse than say Robles or Naismith got for a long time. They could play well and still get slaughtered. They'd get slated for just being picked
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 14, 2017, 06:09:07 AM
But to say he gets cut some slack is quite frankly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: di_guyo on July 14, 2017, 06:19:11 AM
The problem I have with the people who don't rate him is that despite stating their opinions as fact, they offer nothing to back it up and just seem to ignore his positive attributes.

Here's how conversations around him go:

"He gives the ball away too much"
"He had a 83% pass rate success last season, that's higher than Dele Alli"
"Yeah but he doesn't take any risks, they're basic five yard passes he fucks up"
"Actually, he created more chances than any other player his age or younger in Europe last season"

*A few days pass*

"Don't care if he stays or goes, he gives the ball away too much."

It's like groundhog day discussing his ability.

Then you get on his current contract situation where the only bit of information we know is that he's been offered a contract and that he's yet to sign it which came from Koeman. Nothing else has come out of the club and nothing has come from Ross Barkley.

Despite this, people are making up their own stories in their heads, calling him a greedy prick or saying that he's up his own arse and doesn't realise how good he's got it.

If Aaron Lennon's recent struggles tell us anything, it's that FOOTBALLERS ARE PEOPLE too. We have very little idea of what is going on in this situation or the amount of factors at play. Maybe Ross is struggling with the pressure? maybe Koeman has treated him badly? maybe he absolute hates the club and is desperate to play for Bournemouth?

Whatever the reason, we don't know why he hasn't signed the contract and anyone making assumptions about what's going on is basing such assumptions almost entirely on conjecture and/or preconceived agendas.

Whether he signs or not, the amount of bollocks that gets spoken about a player who apparently isn't all that important to the squad is ridiculous.

Get what you're saying here, but you're basing that on stats. Stats are not, never have been, never should be, the be all and end all. The reason I say that is because what you're saying there, comparing him to Delli Alli, would suggest that's he's what? More productive and better at keeping and using the ball? If you were to watch a couple of games from both of them and then come to that conclusion saying  that Barkley was even in the same league, never mind as good as or better, as Alli then I'd spit my coffee at you/laugh you out of the building.

There's no comparison. Barkley has unreal amount talent, Rooney levels, but he hasn't realised the mental aspect of the game. Stats might suggest he's somewhat competitive with some more 'elite' players, but he isn't, he genuinely isn't.

Edit: again just thinking about your point...'gives the ball away too much' - this is subjective and depends on where and how. I might think that McCarthy gives the ball away too much, but I'm not factoring in his sideways passing, but more when he tries to push forwards. For me, Barkley breaks too many attacks down, too many breaks to be considered an elite AMC. I couldn't care less about whether he makes 9/10 passes when drops deeps and plays a five yarder to Gana
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 14, 2017, 08:21:49 AM
Dier missed 2 PL games, 1 through injury and other was rested after 2 games earlier in the week. He was used in defence when they wanted to play 3 at the back, or when there was an injury. He was 3rd centre back, Dembele was the one to make way if they were both fit.

I rate him above Schneiderlin and among the best defensive midfielders in the league. But he's a good 5 years younger than most the others and you could make a case his long term future is in central defence.

Fair play I thought he missed a lot more, I guess I misremembered the games I watched with Spurs, or the games I saw were ones where he was pushed back but it still seems like his main role last season was at CB, at least according to this where he only played 12 PL games at DM, and none in the CL:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/eric-dier/leistungsdaten/spieler/175722/plus/1?saison=2016
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 14, 2017, 12:44:14 PM
I realise this isn't Ross related but, Wanyama > Dier
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 12:48:08 PM
Great post @Shogun (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1108)
Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 14, 2017, 01:02:14 PM
But to say he gets cut some slack is quite frankly ridiculous.

Not in general, more so with this contract situation.

He doesn't get cut any slack on the field which isn't fair but sadly comes with the territory of playing for your boyhood team. Gerrard had the same pressures but fed off it and made him better. For Ross, it makes him weaker.

He should be signing the contract , see a psychologist and give 110% for the team he loves I know everyone on here would give 110% if they got a chance to play for Everton. Running his contract down is very poor form
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 01:27:41 PM
Weird thing is I sit right by @Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329)

Edit: and no, it's not me shouting abuse at him 😉
It did cross my mind ha
Where you sit?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 02:04:10 PM
Get what you're saying here, but you're basing that on stats. Stats are not, never have been, never should be, the be all and end all. The reason I say that is because what you're saying there, comparing him to Delli Alli, would suggest that's he's what? More productive and better at keeping and using the ball? If you were to watch a couple of games from both of them and then come to that conclusion saying  that Barkley was even in the same league, never mind as good as or better, as Alli then I'd spit my coffee at you/laugh you out of the building.

Nah what he's saying when comparing to delle alli is that Ross passes astray less, demonstrably so.

So Everton fans say - Ross gives it away too much with stray passes, (something he does do definitely) but it's a verifiable fact that about 82% of the time his passes are accurate.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 05:07:02 PM
It did cross my mind ha
Where you sit?


I was sitting in the Park end by the away fans until the start of last season (I'm sure I've heard you say you sit near there).
Start of last season I started taking my nephew as well as my son so had to find 3 seats together and I've moved over to the other side of the PE, between the goal and he main stand.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 05:09:09 PM
I was sitting in the Park end by the away fans until the start of last season (I'm sure I've heard you say you sit near there).
Start of last season I started taking my nephew as well as my son so had to find 3 seats together and I've moved over to the other side of the PE, between the goal and he main stand.

Is that dickhead from Birkenhead or somewhere still there who makes shite jokes loudly every 30 seconds or so?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 05:20:49 PM
Is that dickhead from Birkenhead or somewhere still there who makes shite jokes loudly every 30 seconds or so?
Not sure.
There's a woman who calls the ref a twat literally every 10 seconds near where I sit now, it's like Tourette's, and she's got the most annoying screaming voice to boot.

Near the away fans there were a few dickheads down that way tbf, acting hard squaring up to fans who are over 50 yards away behind a gap and 50 police officers.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 05:44:37 PM
I was sitting in the Park end by the away fans until the start of last season (I'm sure I've heard you say you sit near there).
Start of last season I started taking my nephew as well as my son so had to find 3 seats together and I've moved over to the other side of the PE, between the goal and he main stand.
Aye yeah, im sat right on the 18yard line
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: starblood on July 14, 2017, 05:47:14 PM
Not sure.
There's a woman who calls the ref a twat literally every 10 seconds near where I sit now, it's like Tourette's, and she's got the most annoying screaming voice to boot.

Near the away fans there were a few dickheads down that way tbf, acting hard squaring up to fans who are over 50 yards away behind a gap and 50 police officers.
Right at the back of the lower Gwladys Street has the most dickheads per capita in my experience. Took a seat there when I had to be relocated for a cup game.

It might've been a one-off - but never again. Other parts of Gwladys Street have been fine - the back though? Not Good!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: starblood on July 14, 2017, 05:48:34 PM
Oh.....and I've never heard any abuse of Ross from my seat in The Paddock.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 14, 2017, 05:49:27 PM
Abuse from who. Most Evertonians are hoping he signs. They want him to do well. We all do. Sounds like he is holding the club to ransom and being quite selfish. he has been offered a contract. unless it's less than 60k per week( he isn't worth much more in fairness)He should sign the thing and prove why he is worth 150k per week or whatever else he wants.
Do you not think 'holding the club to ransom' and 'quite selfish' could be seen as abusive, given there is no actual info apart from a statement made by Koeman about sign or be sold? Sure it's not spiteful abuse, but if you said it to Barkley then he could understandably feel hurt?

It's not just you, there does seem to be a willingness to condemn him and say get shut, had enough, etc without anyone knowing anything about what is happening or what the lad himself is thinking. Even many of those who want him to sign are no longer giving him the benefit of the doubt..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: dangermouse on July 14, 2017, 05:54:39 PM
Right at the back of the lower Gwaldys Street has the most dickheads per capita in my experience. Took a seat there when I had to be relocated for a cup game.

It might've been a one-off - but never again. Other parts of Gwlady Street have been fine - the back though? Not Good!

Last time I sat up there I couldn't help but laugh as a brawl broke out over a bag of crisps....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 14, 2017, 05:58:23 PM
Last time I sat up there I couldn't help but laugh as a brawl broke out over a bag of crisps....

What flavour?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: dangermouse on July 14, 2017, 06:02:20 PM
What flavour?

HaHa.. I dont remember but it started because one lad tried to nick a bag from under the seat in front.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 14, 2017, 06:09:40 PM
HaHa.. I dont remember but it started because one lad tried to nick a bag from under the seat in front.

Bloody scousers nick anything



Joke
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 06:48:27 PM
Do you not think 'holding the club to ransom' and 'quite selfish' could be seen as abusive, given there is no actual info apart from a statement made by Koeman about sign or be sold? Sure it's not spiteful abuse, but if you said it to Barkley then he could understandably feel hurt?

It's not just you, there does seem to be a willingness to condemn him and say get shut, had enough, etc without anyone knowing anything about what is happening or what the lad himself is thinking. Even many of those who want him to sign are no longer giving him the benefit of the doubt..

It's not like we are scrimping lately is it, We are splashing the cash all over the place. Although it's true that we don't know what the contract offer is, we can resonably guess that its £100k+, based on what we are paying in transfer fees and salaries for other players, based on the potential money we could lose if he runs his contract down etc. I would imagine we are offering a contract for precisely what the club thinks he's worth.

It's also been reported that the club are trying their hardest to keep him, more so than Koeman.

Maybe it has absolutely nothing to do with money and he genuinely fears for a starting place and wants to go elsewhere to get game time, which is fine. It's not a witch hunt, some people think we should go all out to keep him and he's the best midfielder we can get, no matter what the cost, others think he's completely replaceable and don't care whether he stays or goes, some people are more pissed off that we're losing out on the fee rather than losing the player. It's all opinions.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 06:51:40 PM
What flavour?

Beef
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 14, 2017, 07:06:39 PM
It's not like we are scrimping lately is it, We are splashing the cash all over the place. Although it's true that we don't know what the contract offer is, we can resonably guess that its £100k+, based on what we are paying in transfer fees and salaries for other players, based on the potential money we could lose if he runs his contract down etc. I would imagine we are offering a contract for precisely what the club thinks he's worth.

It's also been reported that the club are trying their hardest to keep him, more so than Koeman.

Maybe it has absolutely nothing to do with money and he genuinely fears for a starting place and wants to go elsewhere to get game time, which is fine. It's not a witch hunt, some people think we should go all out to keep him and he's the best midfielder we can get, no matter what the cost, others think he's completely replaceable and don't care whether he stays or goes, some people are more pissed off that we're losing out on the fee rather than losing the player. It's all opinions.
It is all opinions. But I think you've touched on the bigger issue when you say 'I would imagine'. Most opinions seem to be based on imagination, and highly subjective 'facts'. Or taking things reported in the press as anything other than a desire to keep this kind of discussion going, to promote future clicks on websites and sharing of the imaginings of someone who gets paid for making stuff up.

Shogun summed it up better than I can.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Hesmenos on July 14, 2017, 07:44:18 PM
I can't imagine its a money issue. Koeman might not look that enthusiastic, but the higher ups definitely want to keep him, so I imagine we've offered at least what Arsenal or Spurs would be willing to give him. Those seemed to be the main teams interested so far.
Unless of course Ross has gotten wind of interest from one of the Manchester teams.

I don't think we can fault Barkley on his behavior in all this. He's not gone blabbing about wanting to leave or making a fuss. In fact Koeman is the only one who's gone on about the situation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 14, 2017, 07:48:03 PM
If he signs and works hard ,everything negative said in this thread would disappear instantly ....at the end of the day we love a local talent .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 08:03:16 PM
A direct message to Ross Barkley.  Please stay with Everton and continue to improve as a player.  Please do not sell your soul to another club.  You are an Evertonian.  Take care, Ari.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 14, 2017, 08:23:43 PM
Do you not think 'holding the club to ransom' and 'quite selfish' could be seen as abusive, given there is no actual info apart from a statement made by Koeman about sign or be sold? Sure it's not spiteful abuse, but if you said it to Barkley then he could understandably feel hurt?

It's not just you, there does seem to be a willingness to condemn him and say get shut, had enough, etc without anyone knowing anything about what is happening or what the lad himself is thinking. Even many of those who want him to sign are no longer giving him the benefit of the doubt..

Any other First world problems you want to mention. Barkley is an extremely privileged situation and all he needs to do is sign another contract or ask to leave. Getting the odd bit of criticism shouldn't bother him that much even if he can hear it over the crowd noise. It's not like the St End is singing "Barkley is shite" He needs to say what he wants and we can't or won't give him it then move on ... it's really not that hard. Fuckin' hurt feelings... Jesus on a fuckin' bike. I've heard it all now
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Buck76 on July 14, 2017, 08:28:45 PM
I can't imagine its a money issue. Koeman might not look that enthusiastic, but the higher ups definitely want to keep him, so I imagine we've offered at least what Arsenal or Spurs would be willing to give him. Those seemed to be the main teams interested so far.
Unless of course Ross has gotten wind of interest from one of the Manchester teams.

I don't think we can fault Barkley on his behavior in all this. He's not gone blabbing about wanting to leave or making a fuss. In fact Koeman is the only one who's gone on about the situation.

To be fair to Koeman he's only replied to direct questions on the subject and Barkley has been badly mismanaged imo... his agents were demanding the same contract as Lukaku and they've convinced him to hold firm.. we've gone out and blitzed the market and he's only got spurs who are after a bargain to potentially flip in a year or so... Sack your agent, sign and fight for your place Ross!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gary1878 on July 14, 2017, 08:30:40 PM
Right at the back of the lower Gwladys Street has the most dickheads per capita in my experience. Took a seat there when I had to be relocated for a cup game.

It might've been a one-off - but never again. Other parts of Gwladys Street have been fine - the back though? Not Good!

I remember sitting right at the back of the Gwladys, and although the behaviour of fans was fine during the game, at half time it descended into a pretty chaotic scene. There were puffs of smoke coming from the toilets, kids running around hitting people, and smells of the skunkiest weed everywhere. The best/worst part of it was that the stewards were just standing there, looking like they were trying to inhale the fumes
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 14, 2017, 08:33:48 PM
To be fair to Koeman he's only replied to direct questions on the subject

And he could've just said "that's none of your fucking business" like most other managers would do. But again, this has been done to death. He unnecessarily hung Ross out to dry on many occasions, just not unlike how he did it with Niasse (which was frankly just stupid).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on July 14, 2017, 08:34:10 PM
I remember sitting right at the back of the Gwladys, and although the behaviour of fans was fine during the game, at half time it descended into a pretty chaotic scene. There were puffs of smoke coming from the toilets, kids running around hitting people, and smells of the skunkiest weed everywhere. The best/worst part of it was that the stewards were just standing there, looking like they were trying to inhale the fumes
I'm in LL in the lower gwladys, ive never seen anyone hit anyone at Goodison been there since 2005- get a few lids at the back but theyre harmless few dodgy shouts now an then. As for the smoke an that whose arsed? Remember when I first went the game the smells of ciggy smoke an that reminded me of goodison ha.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gary1878 on July 14, 2017, 08:47:18 PM
I'm in LL in the lower gwladys, ive never seen anyone hit anyone at Goodison been there since 2005- get a few lids at the back but theyre harmless few dodgy shouts now an then. As for the smoke an that whose arsed? Remember when I first went the game the smells of ciggy smoke an that reminded me of goodison ha.

I watched a lot of lower league games at Yeovil when these old fellas used to smoke a pipe/cigars. Those were the pre-smoking days though, which is why the smoking part surprised me at Goodison. Maybe i just went on a bad/weird day.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 14, 2017, 08:55:47 PM
To be fair to Koeman he's only replied to direct questions on the subject and Barkley has been badly mismanaged imo... his agents were demanding the same contract as Lukaku and they've convinced him to hold firm.. we've gone out and blitzed the market and he's only got spurs who are after a bargain to potentially flip in a year or so... Sack your agent, sign and fight for your place Ross!!

You've spoken to his agents?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 14, 2017, 09:10:36 PM
Tough to know who is to blame here, if anyone, but I think it's fair to say it's a bit of a mess as things stand.
To have one of your top players about to enter the final year of his contract isn't good form on any level.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Alanvideo on July 14, 2017, 09:13:11 PM
every time I see a new post on this thread I hope it's to say Barkley has decided to sign his contract.........
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 09:16:40 PM
every time I see a new post on this thread I hope it's to say Barkley has decided to sign his contract.........

Sorry to disappoint  :tongue:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 14, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
I sit at the back of LG, fucking love it there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 14, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
Any other First world problems you want to mention. Barkley is an extremely privileged situation and all he needs to do is sign another contract or ask to leave. Getting the odd bit of criticism shouldn't bother him that much even if he can hear it over the crowd noise. It's not like the St End is singing "Barkley is shite" He needs to say what he wants and we can't or won't give him it then move on ... it's really not that hard. Fuckin' hurt feelings... Jesus on a fuckin' bike. I've heard it all now
Ahh I guess you must know what everyone else doesn't then if it's clear to you?

You must have missed the discussion about the vid of him and Jags.. otherwise you wouldn't be so surprised to hear it.

As to first world problems, he lives in the first world. If the logic holds that we can't complain when others are worse off, then everyone in this discussion is guilty too? Selfish ungrateful wankers we are, moaning about Barkley when there are people starving..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 11:00:20 PM
Nah what he's saying when comparing to delle alli is that Ross passes astray less, demonstrably so.

So Everton fans say - Ross gives it away too much with stray passes, (something he does do definitely) but it's a verifiable fact that about 82% of the time his passes are accurate.


When has an 82% passing accuracy meant to be amazing?

In a list of all midfielders in the Prem it puts him at about 100th place. behind the likes of superstars like Glenn Whelan and Andrew Surman.

Even when you filter that particular stat down to midfielders that have played more than half the premier league games last season he is still down in about 60th, behind world beaters like Sam Clucas of Hull and Robert Snodgrass of West Ham.

If his pass accuracy is his best attribute then it's really nothing to shout about.

His 'key passes' are probably his best attribute, hes in the top 10 in Prem with them stats, below Silva but just above Tadic.

Actually looking at the stats and comparing them to other players is probably the best way to evaluate it, not just picking whats perceived to be his best attribute and painting it out to be fantastic.

That said (a bit of cross thread going on) Gylfi Sigurdsson is NOT the answer to a replacement for him. He actually loses the ball more and doesn't create half as many chances and only really out does Ross in Goals (and a few of them are from dead ball situations) and assists (which rely on how good a finisher the person your passing the ball to is).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 11:06:26 PM
When has an 82% passing accuracy meant to be amazing?

In a list of all midfielders in the Prem it puts him at about 100th place. behind the likes of superstars like Glenn Whelan and Andrew Surman.

Even when you filter that particular stat down to midfielders that have played more than half the premier league games last season he is still down in about 60th, behind world beaters like Sam Clucas of Hull and Robert Snodgrass of West Ham.

If his pass accuracy is his best attribute then it's really nothing to shout about.

His 'key passes' are probably his best attribute, hes in the top 10 in Prem with them stats, below Silva but just above Tadic.

Actually looking at the stats and comparing them to other players is probably the best way to evaluate it, not just picking whats perceived to be his best attribute and painting it out to be fantastic.

That said (a bit of cross thread going on) Gylfi Sigurdsson is NOT the answer to a replacement for him. He actually loses the ball more and doesn't create half as many chances and only really out does Ross in Goals (and a few of them are from dead ball situations) and assists (which rely on how good a finisher the person your passing the ball too is).
And his assists are set piece driven too

In an ideal world they'd both sign
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 14, 2017, 11:09:42 PM
And his assists are set piece driven too

In an ideal world they'd both sign

That's true.

Tbh it's the first time I've went and properly looked at the stats for Sigurdsson and they're really not that impressive for a number 10. He's quite a way behind in basic number 10 duties, but somehow he gets lauded because he can put in a good cross, corner or free kick. He's not terrible, but he's far from fantastic, it's made me totally against paying anywhere near £50m for him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 14, 2017, 11:33:25 PM
And his assists are set piece driven too

In an ideal world they'd both sign
The true sign we're moving somewhere is having options to change games. Both are potential game changers even if neither is Hazard or the like.

Maybe the Ross thing is a ploy? Koeman realised it would be harder to get decent options if they thought Barkley was signed up and favoured, and asked him to play dumb so the others sign, then sign a new contract..

Total imagination, but wouldn't that be nice?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 14, 2017, 11:40:58 PM
The true sign we're moving somewhere is having options to change games. Both are potential game changers even if neither is Hazard or the like.

Maybe the Ross thing is a ploy? Koeman realised it would be harder to get decent options if they thought Barkley was signed up and favoured, and asked him to play dumb so the others sign, then sign a new contract..

Total imagination, but wouldn't that be nice?

Got the makings of a John le Carre novel.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Juanito on July 14, 2017, 11:44:26 PM
That's true.

Tbh it's the first time I've went and properly looked at the stats for Sigurdsson and they're really not that impressive for a number 10. He's quite a way behind in basic number 10 duties, but somehow he gets lauded because he can put in a good cross, corner or free kick. He's not terrible, but he's far from fantastic, it's made me totally against paying anywhere near £50m for him.

There must be a player in Europe or South America we can get for half of that and be double the player.  Coutinho was 8.6 million from Inter.  Something about Koemans transfer dealings worries me he is looking at short term signings for now because he might not see it as a short term step up too. No Evertonian sees 50 million for Sigurdsson as worth it and I'm sure would much rather us buy two wonder kids for that, in see them incrementally develop.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 14, 2017, 11:49:45 PM
There must be a player in Europe or South America we can get for half of that and be double the player.  Coutinho was 8.6 million from Inter.  Something about Koemans transfer dealings worries me he is looking at short term signings for now because he might not see it as a short term step up too. No Evertonian sees 50 million for Sigurdsson as worth it and I'm sure would much rather us buy two wonder kids for that, in see them incrementally develop.

We got Klaassen, Keane, Sandro and Henry who are all young. Coutinho was bought when he was young and it's taken him a few seasons to get up to top class status. You need both. You need the young ones coming through, but you need proven quality right now as well. Not every signing needs to have sell on value.

In Sig's case, I agree that we are over paying if we buy for any more than 40. Really 32 was my limit for him, but I'd accept 40 with add ons. Any more than that, it's a no from me. But we need proven prem quality in as well.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 14, 2017, 11:49:55 PM
The true sign we're moving somewhere is having options to change games. Both are potential game changers even if neither is Hazard or the like.

Maybe the Ross thing is a ploy? Koeman realised it would be harder to get decent options if they thought Barkley was signed up and favoured, and asked him to play dumb so the others sign, then sign a new contract..

Total imagination, but wouldn't that be nice?

If only it were true, man.

He's off, isn't he.

To fucking Spurs too, probably.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2017, 12:04:45 AM
If only it were true, man.

He's off, isn't he.

To fucking Spurs too, probably.

They have 50 million burning a hole in their pockets now. I would love that to burn in ours.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 15, 2017, 12:26:58 AM
They have 50 million burning a hole in their pockets now. I would love that to burn in ours.

I wouldn't, mate.

I love Ross, and the thought of Spurs fans saying "Yeah, well Barkley clearly has ambition, he'll do nicely on our bench in place of Sissoko" makes me feel really sad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2017, 12:30:08 AM
In Sig's defence he's clearly got ability so to tear his stats apart when he's been playing with inferior players is a bit harsh.

Some players step up to the plate when they make a big move. Clearly Koeman is hoping this will be the case.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2017, 12:40:04 AM
I wouldn't, mate.

I love Ross, and the thought of Spurs fans saying "Yeah, well Barkley clearly has ambition, he'll do nicely on our bench in place of Sissoko" makes me feel really sad.

50 million for a player with less than a year on his contract who doesn't seem to want to commit to another is very good money.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 15, 2017, 12:43:39 AM
There must be a player in Europe or South America we can get for half of that and be double the player.  Coutinho was 8.6 million from Inter.  Something about Koemans transfer dealings worries me he is looking at short term signings for now because he might not see it as a short term step up too. No Evertonian sees 50 million for Sigurdsson as worth it and I'm sure would much rather us buy two wonder kids for that, in see them incrementally develop.

I know the market has moved on but none of the premier leagues top playmakers cost anything like the 50m Swansea want.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 15, 2017, 01:07:11 AM
50 million for a player with less than a year on his contract who doesn't seem to want to commit to another is very good money.

Oh yeah, not doubting that, I just don't want to lose him
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2017, 01:10:12 AM
Oh yeah, not doubting that, I just don't want to lose him

The longer this is going on, the quicker I'd like to see resolution. I hate this poncy middle ground, I avoid it in my own life. Make a decision and then stick with it. But I think he'll be here for the season, used rarely and then move on a free next summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2017, 01:10:18 AM
When has an 82% passing accuracy meant to be amazing?

In a list of all midfielders in the Prem it puts him at about 100th place. behind the likes of superstars like Glenn Whelan and Andrew Surman.

Even when you filter that particular stat down to midfielders that have played more than half the premier league games last season he is still down in about 60th, behind world beaters like Sam Clucas of Hull and Robert Snodgrass of West Ham.

If his pass accuracy is his best attribute then it's really nothing to shout about.

His 'key passes' are probably his best attribute, hes in the top 10 in Prem with them stats, below Silva but just above Tadic.

Actually looking at the stats and comparing them to other players is probably the best way to evaluate it, not just picking whats perceived to be his best attribute and painting it out to be fantastic.

That said (a bit of cross thread going on) Gylfi Sigurdsson is NOT the answer to a replacement for him. He actually loses the ball more and doesn't create half as many chances and only really out does Ross in Goals (and a few of them are from dead ball situations) and assists (which rely on how good a finisher the person your passing the ball to is).

Ok well don't take my word for it take the word of professional sports analysts who say sig isn't as good as his stats and it's a waste of fucking money 🙃

What I mean is, and what shogs is saying is, that it is factually, demonstrably, literally incorrect that Ross gives the ball away more than the rest of our team and we are to expect any greater care or use of the ball from siggurdsson other than dead ball situations.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 15, 2017, 02:45:18 AM
Ok well don't take my word for it take the word of professional sports analysts who say sig isn't as good as his stats and it's a waste of fucking money 🙃

What I mean is, and what shogs is saying is, that it is factually, demonstrably, literally incorrect that Ross gives the ball away more than the rest of our team and we are to expect any greater care or use of the ball from siggurdsson other than dead ball situations.
I said his stats were shit, don't know where he hype comes from with Sig.

Ross doesn't give the ball away as much as everyone in the team....but he does it away more than;
Kone, Schneiderlin, Lookman, Gueye, MIRALLAS!, jagielka, williams and Davies. Who all have a better pass %

However it's difficult to compare him to others in our team as he's the only person who has really played in that position, so all we can compare him to are other players in that position for other clubs (and even that isn't really the best comparison), he falls well behind most other midfielders in the prem for that particular attribute.

Edit:
There is a bit of me somewhere in them last few posts that concedes that he is within the top tier of midfielders for certain parts of his game, just not that particular one.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2017, 04:46:49 AM
I'm in London for the weekend meeting up with a mate and one of his pals who joined us for a drink claims to be ITK and is a Spurs fan. Says Levy was waiting for City to finalise the deal for Walker before signing Barkley and it'll be done this week. No idea of the price but it's been a long time in the pipeline and an unofficial deal in principle agreed since before the summer. Poch is also not happy with how little headway has been made with this and other deals so far.

He may be full of shit and/or putting two and two together and just regurgitating paper talk but thought I'd throw it out there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 15, 2017, 06:50:04 AM
Lines up with lots of other rumours we've heard like.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 15, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Spurs estimated cost of stadium reported to have risen to an eye watering 700m from the 300s
on talk shit yesterday, they might have to reign in a bit..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2017, 03:47:22 PM
Looks like Spurs have to sell to buy at the minute until new stadium is completed. They're now £50m in the black so Levy will try and squeeze as much value out of that amount as possible.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: dangermouse on July 15, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
Any other First world problems you want to mention. Barkley is an extremely privileged situation and all he needs to do is sign another contract or ask to leave. Getting the odd bit of criticism shouldn't bother him that much even if he can hear it over the crowd noise. It's not like the St End is singing "Barkley is shite" He needs to say what he wants and we can't or won't give him it then move on ... it's really not that hard. Fuckin' hurt feelings... Jesus on a fuckin' bike. I've heard it all now

He can definitely hear the whole ground groan when he looses the ball once or twice... I'm not surprised he wants to leave.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: dangermouse on July 15, 2017, 04:01:15 PM
I'm in LL in the lower gwladys, ive never seen anyone hit anyone at Goodison been there since 2005- get a few lids at the back but theyre harmless few dodgy shouts now an then. As for the smoke an that whose arsed? Remember when I first went the game the smells of ciggy smoke an that reminded me of goodison ha.

Haha if you haven't noticed the grunts.... it's because your one of them
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: dangermouse on July 15, 2017, 04:05:13 PM
The true sign we're moving somewhere is having options to change games. Both are potential game changers even if neither is Hazard or the like.

Maybe the Ross thing is a ploy? Koeman realised it would be harder to get decent options if they thought Barkley was signed up and favoured, and asked him to play dumb so the others sign, then sign a new contract..

Total imagination, but wouldn't that be nice?

Are you an ex red shite goalkeeper?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: mikey_blue on July 15, 2017, 04:33:49 PM
The quietness of this is killing me. Just sign the damn contract Ross!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Nicco on July 15, 2017, 04:45:08 PM
The quietness of this is killing me. Just sign the damn contract Ross!
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/earths-quietest-place-will-drive-you-crazy-in-45-minutes-180948160/
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on July 15, 2017, 04:50:47 PM
The problem I have with the people who don't rate him is that despite stating their opinions as fact, they offer nothing to back it up and just seem to ignore his positive attributes.

Here's how conversations around him go:

"He gives the ball away too much"
"He had a 83% pass rate success last season, that's higher than Dele Alli"
"Yeah but he doesn't take any risks, they're basic five yard passes he fucks up"
"Actually, he created more chances than any other player his age or younger in Europe last season"

*A few days pass*

"Don't care if he stays or goes, he gives the ball away too much."

It's like groundhog day discussing his ability.

Then you get on his current contract situation where the only bit of information we know is that he's been offered a contract and that he's yet to sign it which came from Koeman. Nothing else has come out of the club and nothing has come from Ross Barkley.

Despite this, people are making up their own stories in their heads, calling him a greedy prick or saying that he's up his own arse and doesn't realise how good he's got it.

If Aaron Lennon's recent struggles tell us anything, it's that FOOTBALLERS ARE PEOPLE too. We have very little idea of what is going on in this situation or the amount of factors at play. Maybe Ross is struggling with the pressure? maybe Koeman has treated him badly? maybe he absolute hates the club and is desperate to play for Bournemouth?

Whatever the reason, we don't know why he hasn't signed the contract and anyone making assumptions about what's going on is basing such assumptions almost entirely on conjecture and/or preconceived agendas.

Whether he signs or not, the amount of bollocks that gets spoken about a player who apparently isn't all that important to the squad is ridiculous.

In all my time on NSNO - this is the post I wish I had written.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on July 15, 2017, 05:23:57 PM
The true sign we're moving somewhere is having options to change games. Both are potential game changers even if neither is Hazard or the like.

Maybe the Ross thing is a ploy? Koeman realised it would be harder to get decent options if they thought Barkley was signed up and favoured, and asked him to play dumb so the others sign, then sign a new contract..

Total imagination, but wouldn't that be nice?

No one can say with any certainty that this sin't the case - compared to the other versions of reality we've all concocted.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 15, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
Are you an ex red shite goalkeeper?
Naah, I'm not suggesting to journos Koeman lied because I'm jealous.

Plus I'm not a cunt.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 15, 2017, 06:33:25 PM
No one can say with any certainty that this sin't the case - compared to the other versions of reality we've all concocted.
That's it, if you're going to imagine stuff why not go with hope instead of fear?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 15, 2017, 08:34:00 PM
He can definitely hear the whole ground groan when he looses the ball once or twice... I'm not surprised he wants to leave.

Lot's of players hear that reaction but it's not a valid reason to want to leave. You prove your critics wrong if you've got anything about you, otherwise we'd have no goalies... they defo hear the critics being stuck near them. Bottom line is he signs of asks to go... silence gets us nowhere and we're 3 weeks off the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 15, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
I doubt Spurs fans cheer when you have a good look see a pass isn't on and then play it anyway to start a counter attack against you.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on July 15, 2017, 08:57:29 PM
Lot's of players hear that reaction but it's not a valid reason to want to leave. You prove your critics wrong if you've got anything about you, otherwise we'd have no goalies... they defo hear the critics being stuck near them. Bottom line is he signs of asks to go... silence gets us nowhere and we're 3 weeks off the season.

Totally agree no player is bigger than the team, blue or not, the longer this stand off continues, the more I feel he wants out, or to run his contract out. Sign or have the bollix to put in a transfer request.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Alanvideo on July 15, 2017, 10:11:45 PM
He can definitely hear the whole ground groan when he looses the ball once or twice... I'm not surprised he wants to leave.
..............if you say so. But when and if he goes to Spurs he'll be expected to perform like a big money signing. He'll have better players round him who will also expect more. The pressure to perform will be even greater than at Goodison and Ross will have to handle it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2017, 10:49:54 PM
Pienaar couldn't.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 15, 2017, 10:54:39 PM
..............if you say so. But when and if he goes to Spurs he'll be expected to perform like a big money signing. He'll have better players round him who will also expect more. The pressure to perform will be even greater than at Goodison and Ross will have to handle it.

On the other hand, he'd be just another player, so the pressure will be far less than at any point in Goodison.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 15, 2017, 10:59:29 PM
Pienaar couldn't.
You never answered me ,have I really tooled you 11 times?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2017, 11:13:15 PM
You never answered me ,have I really tooled you 11 times?
Answered you on what?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 16, 2017, 05:35:39 PM
Just to add to the ITK on Barkley spoke to some more people last night down here, season ticket holders at Spurs and one lad who claimed his mate works at the training ground. Anyway word is that Poch wants Barkley in this week. Barkley wants to come and the only thing holding it up was Levy waiting for Walker money and Levy being a tight arse with Everton's valuation.
All pretty standard stuff but coming from different sources who live and breathe Spurs.

They were actually decent lads, surprisingly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 16, 2017, 05:37:46 PM
Be fucking gutted when he goes there. Absolutely gutted.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 16, 2017, 05:39:05 PM
Would actually be more gutted about Ross leaving than when Rom left. There was always a sense of inevitability with Rom, I always expected Ross be with us for life a la Gerrard
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 16, 2017, 05:41:10 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-wont-sell-ross-barkley-13338642

Sounds like it's a matter of when not if.

I can't believe we're selling Barkley to Spurs man.

I'm not at all happy about this situation tbh
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 16, 2017, 05:44:49 PM
Total fuck up..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 16, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
So not West Ham, Newcastle or Bournemouth then?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: stirlingblue on July 16, 2017, 05:49:21 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-wont-sell-ross-barkley-13338642

Sounds like it's a matter of when not if.

I can't believe we're selling Barkley to Spurs man.

I'm not at all happy about this situation tbh

It's nuts that Barkley thinks Spurs is a good idea.

If he thinks Koeman makes him work too hard, wait until he experiences life under Pochettino!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 16, 2017, 05:51:05 PM
It's nuts that Barkley thinks Spurs is a good idea.

If he thinks Koeman makes him work too hard, wait until he experiences life under Pochettino!

Poch is a far better man manager.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 16, 2017, 05:56:52 PM
Poch is a far better man manager.

Far better manager full stop (and i really like Koeman)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 16, 2017, 06:00:52 PM
Poch is a far better man manager.

Froze players like Lennon out completely.

Hammers players like Sissoko in public.

I mean, I'll let him off for the second one but I generally think man management is something that opinion of varies on how the team performs.

If the team is successful then it looks like the management of players is good. When the team is poor, the opposite seems true.

Mourinho is a good example.

Lots of players, the ones he likes, say they'd run through brick walls for him.

Yet there's x number of examples of him being horrible to players.

When his teams win, there's a prevelance of the former. When they lose he's hammered for it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 16, 2017, 06:16:51 PM
He'll be fighting with Sissoko for bench space.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on July 16, 2017, 06:20:41 PM
If Barkley wants to turn his back on Everton and be a bench warmer at Spurs then he can get to fuck.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 16, 2017, 06:31:22 PM
Froze players like Lennon out completely.

Hammers players like Sissoko in public.

I mean, I'll let him off for the second one but I generally think man management is something that opinion of varies on how the team performs.

If the team is successful then it looks like the management of players is good. When the team is poor, the opposite seems true.

Mourinho is a good example.

Lots of players, the ones he likes, say they'd run through brick walls for him.

Yet there's x number of examples of him being horrible to players.

When his teams win, there's a prevelance of the former. When they lose he's hammered for it.


Although to be fair his record in England is pretty much sustained success so far, so you'd have to say whatever he does works.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 16, 2017, 06:55:19 PM
He will get plenty of game time, champs league, challenging for the league and no doubt will walk in the England squad without playing any better than he did last season
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on July 16, 2017, 06:55:29 PM
I'll be livid if he goes to Spurs. In fact I'll be livid if he leaves at all.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 16, 2017, 07:03:04 PM
I'll be livid if he goes to Spurs. In fact I'll be livid if he leaves at all.

All he has to do is sign. If he doesn't then he doesn't want to be here. Nobody's got a gun at his head.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 16, 2017, 07:04:31 PM
I'll be livid if he goes to Spurs. In fact I'll be livid if he leaves at all.

With him?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on July 16, 2017, 07:04:48 PM
All he has to do is sign. If he doesn't then he doesn't want to be here. Nobody's got a gun at his head.

It's the situation of losing Barkley I'll be annoyed about. Something has gone wrong and it not being fixed this summer will prove to be a big mistake in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on July 16, 2017, 07:05:35 PM
With him?

No, the situation.

I'm desperate for Barkley to stay I'll be pretty devastated when/if he goes.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 16, 2017, 07:06:58 PM
No, the situation.

I'm desperate for Barkley to stay I'll be pretty devastated when/if he goes.

His choice though. We can only do so much, everything else has always been down to him. If he doesn't want to play for us, then bye bye.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robioto on July 16, 2017, 07:17:23 PM
His choice though. We can only do so much, everything else has always been down to him. If he doesn't want to play for us, then bye bye.

I completely understand your point and I agree. But it won't stop me being genuinely absolutely gutted though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 16, 2017, 07:22:36 PM
I genuinely think Ross' career will always have a 'what could have been' feel to it wherever he ends up (that includes staying here).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 16, 2017, 07:24:31 PM
For his sake I hope he either signs or gets sold before the start of the season.
If people think he took some stick in the past then I'd hate to see the stick he gets at the match this season, whethers he's on the pitch the bench or in the stands if he still hasn't signed.

It's not right but it will happen. Just look at Donnarumma at AC Milan at the end of last season.

I wonder if people will react to him the same way they reacted to Gosling when he used to come back to Goodison in the early days.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: mikey_blue on July 16, 2017, 07:27:01 PM
For his sake I hope he either signs or gets sold before the start of the season.
If people think he took some stick in the past then I'd hate to see the stick he gets at the match this season, whethers he's on the pitch the bench or in the stands.

It's not right but it will happen. Just look at Donnarumma at AC Milan at the end of last season.

I wonder if people will react to him the same way they reacted to Gosling when he used to come back to Goodison in the early days.

He gets boo's as an Everton player, would be surprised if he got anything else.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 16, 2017, 07:45:52 PM
If he goes we just need a little perspective. It's not like we're losing 25 goals a season like with Rom.

The reason we'd be a little pissed is if he realises his potential elsewhere instead of here. I don't think he'd be missed for what he delivered last season, which is all Koeman can go off and in any case we're strengthening across his area of the pitch anyway to deliver more productivity. 

If we in effect swap him for Sig then in the immediate we're not weakening the team, which is all that matters really.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 16, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
we'd be losing a player who could still be very good especially with better players round him,
anyone saying it's his choice is guessing because he's said fuck all but we know what Koeman
said. Total shite especially if we pay stupid money for Sigg thingy......fuck up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: starblood on July 16, 2017, 08:35:23 PM
He gets boo's as an Everton player.

For the umpteenth time, he doesn't!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on July 16, 2017, 08:37:32 PM
Not an itk or anything and I don't know if it's been mentioned on here but a mate of mine has some connections at the club. H
 Anyway, He's said that Ross wants to sign but Koemans said you've had your chance and your getting sold.
Not sure how I feel on that one. Yeah Ross has fucked about and dithered like Moyes on deadline day. But surely if the lad wants to be here don't castigate him further. I like Koemans no nonsense approach but it seems a bit too ruthless for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 16, 2017, 08:37:52 PM
I've heard him get booed
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 16, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Not an itk or anything and I don't know if it's been mentioned on here but a mate of mine has some connections at the club. H
 Anyway, He's said that Ross wants to sign but Koemans said you've had your chance and your getting sold.
Not sure how I feel on that one. Yeah Ross has fucked about and dithered like Moyes on deadline day. But surely if the lad wants to be here don't castigate him further. I like Koemans no nonsense approach but it seems a bit too ruthless for the sake of it.
spot on....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 16, 2017, 08:43:02 PM
Not an itk or anything and I don't know if it's been mentioned on here but a mate of mine has some connections at the club. H
 Anyway, He's said that Ross wants to sign but Koemans said you've had your chance and your getting sold.
Not sure how I feel on that one. Yeah Ross has fucked about and dithered like Moyes on deadline day. But surely if the lad wants to be here don't castigate him further. I like Koemans no nonsense approach but it seems a bit too ruthless for the sake of it.

Furious if that's true.

Koeman won't be here in two years.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 16, 2017, 08:43:07 PM
I've never once heard him get booed at the game, home or away.

I've heard the odd moan or groan. That's about it.

I'm pretty sure people have probably heard 1 or 2 people boo him, if that.

Then again, I've heard 1 or 2 racist shouts and more than a few homophobic shouts over the years, maybe we should just apply the same logic and start to say everyone is racists and homophobic at the match.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 16, 2017, 08:43:34 PM
Not an itk or anything and I don't know if it's been mentioned on here but a mate of mine has some connections at the club. H
 Anyway, He's said that Ross wants to sign but Koemans said you've had your chance and your getting sold.
Not sure how I feel on that one. Yeah Ross has fucked about and dithered like Moyes on deadline day. But surely if the lad wants to be here don't castigate him further. I like Koemans no nonsense approach but it seems a bit too ruthless for the sake of it.

Even I don't believe that is true.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on July 16, 2017, 08:44:36 PM
Furious if that's true.

Koeman won't be here in two years.
Yeah my mates not one to bullshit  either. He's called a few things over the last couple of years so he's "connected" like.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on July 16, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
Even I don't believe that is true.

I hope so too I'm just being told by someone who as I said has connections.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 16, 2017, 08:46:44 PM
Froze players like Lennon out completely.

Hammers players like Sissoko in public.

I mean, I'll let him off for the second one but I generally think man management is something that opinion of varies on how the team performs.

If the team is successful then it looks like the management of players is good. When the team is poor, the opposite seems true.

Mourinho is a good example.

Lots of players, the ones he likes, say they'd run through brick walls for him.

Yet there's x number of examples of him being horrible to players.

When his teams win, there's a prevelance of the former. When they lose he's hammered for it.


Mourinho is a horrible man manager now. Used to be loved. Used to take the blame for his players. All he seems to do now is point the finger and deflect the blame away from himself

Never seen anything like what he did to Luke shaw. Hammered him in the press. Then when he improved took full credit for it. Honestly think mourinho has disappeared up his own arse and has gone from being a truly great manager to a bang average 1
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 16, 2017, 08:46:52 PM
No chance that Koeman is responsible for withdrawing contract offers.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 16, 2017, 08:48:07 PM
Furious if that's true.

Koeman won't be here in two years.

Why furious? Koeman is paid to make them decisions for as long as he's here. How's it any different from selling Niasse or McCarthy apart from the fact that a lot of us don't agree with it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 16, 2017, 09:03:13 PM
Anyway makes zero sense as if we wanted to sell him we'd be better off with him on a longer deal.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 16, 2017, 09:08:19 PM
Anyway makes zero sense as if we wanted to sell him we'd be better off with him on a longer deal.

I mean if Koeman truly was done with him it would force the issue I suppose, but at the cost of a bigger fee. However, that wouldn't be something Koeman cared about.

From the club's perspective it'd make no sense.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 16, 2017, 09:09:27 PM
I've never once heard him get booed at the game, home or away.

I've heard the odd moan or groan. That's about it.

I'm pretty sure people have probably heard 1 or 2 people boo him, if that.

Then again, I've heard 1 or 2 racist shouts and more than a few homophobic shouts over the years, maybe we should just apply the same logic and start to say everyone is racists and homophobic at the match.


It was more than one or two people and it's happened more than once.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 16, 2017, 09:13:22 PM
That's the thing with Barkley - people just believe what they want to believe. Every time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 16, 2017, 09:14:33 PM
If that rumour was true Koeman would declare he's up for sale, as in he's on the transfer list. All he's said so far is it's complicated and nothing has been decided... that rumour implies it is decided.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 16, 2017, 09:17:19 PM
It was more than one or two people and it's happened more than once.




Just out of interest, out of the 40,000 people there, how many would you say you've heard boo him? And roughly on how many occasions?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 16, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
I honestly beleive the board wouldn't allow RK to do this to Ross especially as Kenwright loves the lad  .

I call bullshit on it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 16, 2017, 09:21:14 PM
If that rumour was true Koeman would declare he's up for sale, as in he's on the transfer list. All he's said so far is it's complicated and nothing has been decided... that rumour implies it is decided.

He said a few times last season that if Barkley didn't sign a contract before the end of the season he'd be sold in the summer. He was very definitive about it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 16, 2017, 09:23:07 PM
I'd expect us to be offering less wages at this stage than we were a while back. He had the chance to sign then and if the interest in him was that fierce, he would have gone. We wanted to avoid the musical chairs of the summer and he wanted to see what it brought.
Think it would probably be perceived as a coup for Koeman and his stance, if Ross did sign a new deal now. So I very much doubt Barkley is offering to take less or begging to sign, he may not like his remaining options, but few expected he would and here we are.

Spurs will want him for low cost or get him to threaten to run down deal and sign him then. The situation is more likely to be produce an exit to a club further down the pecking order. Spurs will probably go somewhere near £20m and think why would they go north of that, given a year left, preferred destination. Where as someone like West Ham, Newcastle would probably pay closer to £35m to get him.

Spurs could just be playing it cool to stop the price rising, but then swoop in when another move starts getting more advanced. But at that stage I'd ask a higher fee from them, matching bid is not enough.

I think the thing that both club and player want to avoid, is him sitting out for a year. I don't think Barkley will be looking at it thinking free money, it's a threat that he carries to the club, but we are in a position to threaten to sink the ship too. He's on less wages than he could get for that year, his development stops and he'll suffer abuse for the season. He's not a squad player who can hide on the bench, when he got dropped for 1 game, it was a big story.

The other side of the threat to keep him, is that we may be able to come to terms on a new deal before the end of the season. Once the window closes and he's still here, it suddenly become a lot more appealing to him to improve the situation. We could increase his wages, offer him more game time, and at worst we could include a generous release clause that gets us a fair amount, but allows him to move on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 16, 2017, 09:24:55 PM
The contract has been on the table for months and now he's changed his mind?  I doubt it but even if it were true he should be told to do one. We've got a football club to run here ffs
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 16, 2017, 09:29:14 PM
He said a few times last season that if Barkley didn't sign a contract before the end of the season he'd be sold in the summer. He was very definitive about it.

I think they're two different things though. The ultimatum was his stating his authority/position and was correct in my opinion. This rumour is saying Koeman has told him he can't stay and WILL be sold. I don't think that's the case at all. Why hasn't Barkley stated he wants out? Or he wants to stay? He's waiting on spurs making an offer I reckon, but that's only my gut feeling.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 16, 2017, 09:29:50 PM
Surely no one has actually boo'd barkley as an individual. Moans and groans at mistakes. Boo'ing poor team performances. I'd imagine targeting individuals like that is reserved from them that have had a public falling out with the club. Maybe next season if he's still not signed (from some idiots cos what's the point) but so far I highly doubt it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 16, 2017, 09:30:15 PM
He said a few times last season that if Barkley didn't sign a contract before the end of the season he'd be sold in the summer. He was very definitive about it.

He was also very definitive about the club releasing a statement on the matter next Monday. I think this "next Monday" was eight or so weeks ago.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 16, 2017, 09:33:01 PM
He was also very definitive about the club releasing a statement on the matter next Monday. I think this "next Monday" was eight or so weeks ago.

And of course, summer is far from over. We have another 6 weeks.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 16, 2017, 09:35:23 PM
One of the appeals to Barkley is that he is British, I was thinking that was why City paid so much for Walker, but I hadn't noticed it's also probably why Spurs wanted so much for him.

I thought they had a lot of domestic players, but Rose, Davies, Trippier, Kane, Alli, that's about it. Winks and maybe another few youngsters, but thought they had more, they might be more keen than I thought.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 16, 2017, 09:39:30 PM

Just out of interest, out of the 40,000 people there, how many would you say you've heard boo him? And roughly on how many occasions?

So other Everton fans have told you he gets a hard time
The papers and football writers have been open about him getting a hard time
We have video evidence of jags reassuring him that the fans aren't getting on his back
The lad himself has liked tweets about him getting a hard time

Just don't think if you believe one way you'll ever believe the other. Don't think a poster in here is going to be able to tell you % of fans that give Ross a hard time and even if he could I don't think it would go any further in convincing you than any of other 100 discussions on the subject we've had on this forum over the last two years.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 16, 2017, 09:45:38 PM
Seems to me that Ross really needs a positive work environment.  Not right or wrong, it's just how he's wired.  And getting away from hometown pressures would likely help his mind/soul, too.  Pochettino (sp?) provides that, and so long as we get a fair price on a fair timeline (so we can put this Sigurdsson dramatics to bed) I will be happy to turn the page and wish him the very best.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 16, 2017, 09:47:50 PM
I think they're two different things though. The ultimatum was his stating his authority/position and was correct in my opinion. This rumour is saying Koeman has told him he can't stay and WILL be sold. I don't think that's the case at all. Why hasn't Barkley stated he wants out? Or he wants to stay? He's waiting on spurs making an offer I reckon, but that's only my gut feeling.

Not sure how you can think there's a difference between him giving Barkley an ultimatum that said he would be sold if he didn't sign by his deadline (the end of the season) and now after the deadline has well and truly passed he's supposedly being told he's getting sold regardless of whether he wants to sign a contract now or not.

He was also very definitive about the club releasing a statement on the matter next Monday. I think this "next Monday" was eight or so weeks ago.

Yeah that was another needlessly odd comment about this situation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2017, 09:51:56 PM
All of this has been totally mismanaged by somebody at the club/the club. Koeman's not covered himself in glory either.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 16, 2017, 09:53:25 PM
This really is a bit boring now ,every day it seems another ITK or journo starts this lot off again .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 16, 2017, 09:55:23 PM
All of this has been totally mismanaged by somebody at the club/the club. Koeman's not covered himself in glory either.
And how has he disgraced himself? Or would you prefer unglorified himself?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2017, 09:57:09 PM
And how has he disgraced himself? Or would you prefer unglorified himself?


Disgraced? You a tabloid headline writer?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 16, 2017, 09:59:46 PM
Disgraced? You a tabloid headline writer?

What Koeman has failed to do, picking up on what BD said, is pick up on the fact that despite his tactics helping Ross find another gear as a player, his feelings were still bruised and he needed to feel wanted as part of the Project.  Accepted into the manager's good graces, so to speak.

He stayed with "tough love" and now he's leaving.  Opportunity lost.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 16, 2017, 10:02:43 PM
Not sure how you can think there's a difference between him giving Barkley an ultimatum that said he would be sold if he didn't sign by his deadline (the end of the season) and now after the deadline has well and truly passed he's supposedly being told he's getting sold regardless of whether he wants to sign a contract now or not.

Yeah that was another needlessly odd comment about this situation.

There's a complete difference between IF and ARE.. If he didn't sign he'd be sold means there's no point keeping him if he doesn't see his future here. Are being sold is different to that. That's definitive..  the former is hypothetical
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 16, 2017, 10:03:59 PM
Koeman has standards he expects from every player and doesn't soft soap people. Ross is a big boy now
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Muttley on July 16, 2017, 10:04:08 PM
Id still think there's a light here. Ross wants to be in a winning club, and all this started a long time before we spent 90M on a pretty good bunch of players. Ok so we lost Lukaku, but does anyone on here not think we're a lot better next year already. He can see that. And given no one has fallen over themselves to get him, I'm hoping we can work out a great story about Ross and his hero Wayne taking the league!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Muttley on July 16, 2017, 10:08:38 PM
And I think Rooneys latest stories about wanting him to stay are a part of smoothing all sides. A win all round.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 16, 2017, 10:10:17 PM
Disgraced? You a tabloid headline writer?
How has that any relevance to this topic ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on July 16, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
We all know sweet fuck all anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 16, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
It has to be bollocks, because if he truely wanted to sign then all itd take is one tweet from him saying 'I want to sign, but the contract offer has been withdrawn' and the fume would instantly be directed back at whoever was responsible at the club.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 16, 2017, 10:15:58 PM

Just out of interest, out of the 40,000 people there, how many would you say you've heard boo him? And roughly on how many occasions?

Why, so you can tell me how he wasn't really getting booed and because it's only a small proportion it isn't really relevant?

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 16, 2017, 10:16:27 PM
An unconsidered angle is that the underlying problem was that he only signed a 4 year deal in 2014 as opposed to the usual 5.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 16, 2017, 10:20:40 PM
Is it just me who thinks he's probably our best attacking player and brings a lot to the side other than slaloming runs and 30 yard strikes?

Schneiderlin and Gueye aren't the most progressive midfielders in the league, I rate but they need someone to break the opposition lines with passing or dribbling. Ross can do both. Not 100% sure what Davies can do yet but I do like what I see. Klaassen is a goalscorer.

Rooney?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on July 16, 2017, 10:21:03 PM
This really is a bit boring now ,every day it seems another ITK or journo starts this lot off again .
Haha sorry about that! Not normally one to throw rumours about but I think he seems "credible".
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 16, 2017, 10:23:26 PM
We brought in a Director of Football for this very reason, to stop the manager getting involved in stuff that distracts from his day job.

Koeman knows his role and where it sits in the organisation. There's no way he's over-ruling Walsh, Kenwright etc... and telling them what to do over contracts. He'll offer an opinion but he's not got the authority of an Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 16, 2017, 10:29:51 PM
We brought in a Director of Football for this very reason, to stop the manager getting involved in stuff that distracts from his day job.

Koeman knows his role and where it sits in the organisation. There's no way he's over-ruling Walsh, Kenwright etc... and telling them what to do over contracts. He'll offer an opinion but he's not got the authority of an Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger.

I thought that as well but dunno...some of these signings have got Koeman written all over them I think.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 16, 2017, 10:41:20 PM
I thought that as well but dunno...some of these signings have got Koeman written all over them I think.

He'll have an input as you don't / shouldn't hire someone and then provide them with players who are opposite to his tactical preferences.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 16, 2017, 10:47:34 PM
Haha sorry about that! Not normally one to throw rumours about but I think he seems "credible".

No need to apologise, we all know you didn't make it up and in the absence of any information it's as good a guess as any.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 16, 2017, 10:51:56 PM
Haha sorry about that! Not normally one to throw rumours about but I think he seems "credible".
It wasn't directed at only you .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 16, 2017, 10:54:20 PM
I thought that as well but dunno...some of these signings have got Koeman written all over them I think.
So could you outline what you think they all do Koeman,Walsh and the board?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 16, 2017, 11:09:05 PM
He was also very definitive about the club releasing a statement on the matter next Monday. I think this "next Monday" was eight or so weeks ago.

Just out of interest - why is this important?  I don't get it. They changed their mind.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 16, 2017, 11:09:23 PM
All of this has been totally mismanaged by somebody at the club/the club. Koeman's not covered himself in glory either.

Yeah.

Apart from the real emotional wrench of losing Ross, a fellow Evertonian, from a PR point of view it will look very poor.

If he says it's about moving on for ambition, or wanting a more positive working environment, it will really harm 'the project' (cringe) with our two best players going in the same window, added to losing Stones only a year ago.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 16, 2017, 11:11:20 PM
Just out of interest - why is this important?  I don't get it. They changed their mind.

It just means that Koeman does not call the shots. Just because he says something, it might not necessarily be so.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 16, 2017, 11:15:10 PM
It just means that Koeman does not call the shots. Just because he says something, it might not necessarily be so.
Right I still don't see the significance of that. We have a director of football. He doesn't give interviews every week.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 16, 2017, 11:16:32 PM
All of this has been totally mismanaged by somebody at the club/the club. Koeman's not covered himself in glory either.
Pure conjecture again. But it suits the narrative
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 16, 2017, 11:18:52 PM
So Rooney's telling Barkley he should stay and Koeman's told him he's being sold... what a joke.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 16, 2017, 11:27:10 PM
We brought in a Director of Football for this very reason, to stop the manager getting involved in stuff that distracts from his day job.

Koeman knows his role and where it sits in the organisation. There's no way he's over-ruling Walsh, Kenwright etc... and telling them what to do over contracts. He'll offer an opinion but he's not got the authority of an Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger.
He stated he would be looking for players for his position wether Ross signed or not to the press,
not good for anyone if your boss says that.. So much for that not being in his remit...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 16, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
Pure conjecture again. But it suits the narrative

Nah, even if you wanted to sell him, secure the contract and maximise value. Completely mishandled whatever you think of Barkley as a player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 16, 2017, 11:33:22 PM
So could you outline what you think they all do Koeman,Walsh and the board?

No, I have zero insight worth reading on the matter and it would be pure guesswork.

I don't think we've signed many players of what I considered the Walsh template...maybe onyeruku, sandro.

The others big money buys from the Dutch league and the prem, which looks a bit Koeman imo.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 16, 2017, 11:35:52 PM
Nah, even if you wanted to sell him, secure the contract and maximise value. Completely mishandled whatever you think of Barkley as a player.

I do agree it looks like that but don't you think we should, as fans, consider the possibility that the club tried to do the right things but circumstances stopped that rather than assuming the club ballsed it up?  I don't understand that mindset. And it prevails on here.

Say for example that Barkley did feel too much pressure being a home boy, was advised that a move away might be a good thing, and was told that spurs were interested.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 16, 2017, 11:50:07 PM
Why, so you can tell me how he wasn't really getting booed and because it's only a small proportion it isn't really relevant?




Just to find out when he gets it and if it's certain parts of the ground or certain games.
I know you've said you didn't get to go the game as often as you would have liked last season (and that's not a dig because I know you've got a ST this season) so I didn't know if it was at some cup games (I didn't get to many of them) or pre season or what? (Not that it makes a difference when it happens) because other than 1 or 2 people on here I've never heard anyone say he gets booed, not even from the people who really like him.

It's also the context of it.
If you hear 2 or 3 people boo over towards him when he was taking a throw in or when he was being subbed? Then it's 2 or 3 people, most players go through that, there are dickheads in every football ground. But your talking 2 or 3 people out of 40,000.

But people seem to want to suggest that everton fans are booing him en masse and that's their excuse for his poor performance. I've seen absolutely no evidence that he gets booed.

@brap2 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=666) you say he gets a hard time, again other than someone muttering something or groaning in the ground he far from gets a hard time. He gets as much as any other who makes a mistake.
Apparently it's fine to give someone like Tim Howard a hard time towards the end of his time here, and he should
put up with it because he was making cock ups, but not Ross (not specifically you)
I've never seen it reported in any newspaper that our fans somehow turn on him and boo him out of the ground.


Edit: I can't wait for this saga to end.


Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 16, 2017, 11:50:54 PM
I do accept though that perhaps Barkley is helping us out here. Perhaps all parties knew he was of and not signing a new contract but Ross agreed to say nothing because then other clubs might have taken advantage of that knowing that we were desperate for attackers this window.

All things are possible but what I don't accept is fans starting to turn on their own club.

Nobody has explicitly said it but this is being portrayed as Barkley vs Koeman. And the people pushing that need to cut it out. We're all on the same side here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 16, 2017, 11:52:21 PM
Is it just me who thinks he's probably our best attacking player and brings a lot to the side other than slaloming runs and 30 yard strikes?

Schneiderlin and Gueye aren't the most progressive midfielders in the league, I rate but they need someone to break the opposition lines with passing or dribbling. Ross can do both. Not 100% sure what Davies can do yet but I do like what I see. Klaassen is a goalscorer.

Rooney?

Mmm.. you're going back a bit to the days of Barkley doing that fella. I've seen more 5 yard tapping about than spraying it and slaloming runs. He's capable alright but don't see it in his game of late.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 17, 2017, 12:04:54 AM
Mmm.. you're going back a bit to the days of Barkley doing that fella. I've seen more 5 yard tapping about than spraying it and slaloming runs. He's capable alright but don't see it in his game of late.

Yeah exactly.

I'm saying that outside of the slaloming runs and 25 yarders he's got more to his game that we don't have elsewhere in the squad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 17, 2017, 12:12:50 AM
Nah, even if you wanted to sell him, secure the contract and maximise value. Completely mishandled whatever you think of Barkley as a player.

Surely that's just lying to the player? He isn't going to sign knowing they intend to sell
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 17, 2017, 12:37:06 AM
Looks like he's back on social media anyway, he's tweeted something for the first time in months.

I reckon he'll sign.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 17, 2017, 12:40:45 AM
Oh he's a Federer fan.

Go to Spurs lad
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 17, 2017, 01:06:10 AM
Ugh.

Reading those tweets to him, is like finding out your bird is getting loads of texts from a load of flash cockney wankers


http://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/transfer-news/ross-barkley-spurs-everton-transfer-13340134
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 17, 2017, 04:37:18 AM
He was also very definitive about the club releasing a statement on the matter next Monday. I think this "next Monday" was eight or so weeks ago.
Koeman was bluffing and couldn't or wouldn't follow through? Perhaps he was willing but was overruled?

For all the judgement on Barkley, Koeman is the one who is speaking, and has not always been correct. Barkley has said nothing.

It's a stretch to judge either side guilty with a lack of actual evidence. But it's probably fair to say either side could have done something to sort it.

That suggests to me it's either still undecided (on Barkley's side I would assume) or there is some key fact that none of us are aware of..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 17, 2017, 04:43:25 AM
We all know sweet fuck all anyway.
Probably the most technically accurate post in this thread.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 17, 2017, 05:00:42 AM
I do agree it looks like that but don't you think we should, as fans, consider the possibility that the club tried to do the right things but circumstances stopped that rather than assuming the club ballsed it up?  I don't understand that mindset. And it prevails on here.

Say for example that Barkley did feel too much pressure being a home boy, was advised that a move away might be a good thing, and was told that spurs were interested.

That would be plausible, but then the club massively misjudged the situation by letting Koeman issue an ultimatum. So there's your fuckup.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 17, 2017, 05:07:24 AM
That would be plausible, but then the club massively misjudged the situation by letting Koeman issue an ultimatum. So there's your fuckup.
Oblivious to the actual point I was making though
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 17, 2017, 05:07:57 AM
So Barkley relaxed enough to be tweeting about the tennis... I'd say something has been sorted and we'll hear soon.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Alanvideo on July 17, 2017, 05:32:13 AM
Looks like he's off.........

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/tottenham-transfer-news-ross-barkley-bid-50million-everton-price-a7843641.html
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 17, 2017, 05:42:01 AM
If we get anywhere near £50m then we really ought to get up early, put our best clothes on and go and do some serious shopping. And not Theo Walcott shopping. Much better than that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 17, 2017, 05:47:18 AM
Oblivious to the actual point I was making though

The original point was that one way or another, the club badly mishandled the situation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on July 17, 2017, 05:47:55 AM
no way levy is going to spunk 50m on Ross
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 17, 2017, 05:50:31 AM
Looks like he's off.........

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/tottenham-transfer-news-ross-barkley-bid-50million-everton-price-a7843641.html
That's just the same story over again, don't see how that changes anything.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 17, 2017, 06:15:31 AM
I find it a bit odd that we have a player Spurs are clearly interested in, who Pochettino rates and there is so much ambivalence to him leaving. All these shouts of he'll have to go to West Ham or Newcastle, when clearly he has admirers far higher than that. He's young, he has talent and frankly I don't think Koeman has treated with nearly as much respect as he deserves.

Such poor handling by the club and the manager to let it get to this point.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 17, 2017, 06:21:20 AM
There could be a case of all this being 2+2 since Walker's transfer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 17, 2017, 06:25:42 AM
There could be a case of all this being 2+2 since Walker's transfer.

= 50, according to some dopey prick at the Independent.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ell Capitan on July 17, 2017, 06:38:04 AM
Looks like he's off.........

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/tottenham-transfer-news-ross-barkley-bid-50million-everton-price-a7843641.html

Please. The Independent is down to about 3 journos and the office pet goldfish. Like they'd have any fucking inside info.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 17, 2017, 06:49:11 AM
Please. The Independent is down to about 3 journos and the office pet goldfish. Like they'd have any fucking inside info.
Maybe it's a psychic goldfish?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: American Evertonian on July 17, 2017, 07:21:35 AM
Seeing links now saying we will let him go for a minimum of £30m. Surely a top team would be interested in that. Tack on a sell on clause with that and I think it's a good deal for all parties.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 17, 2017, 08:20:26 AM
Not sure what you guys are hoping is going on, all the indications are not confusion or doubt, he's been quiet and consistent and is running down his deal to move elsewhere. You'd have to imagine Spurs had been tickling him along the whole while and convincing him to not to sign the new deal.

Levy is a frugal bastard, so I try to let him demonstrate through the medium of negotiation that they don't rate him that highly. Ideally we can get £50m and shift him elsewhere, but it seems clear that Barkley wants to go to Spurs and would probably reject others. I don't see Spurs going much over £30m and time and Barkley is on their side.

If it is Spurs or bust, then, then we can only really threaten to let him run it down in U23s. Next summer Spurs would have more competition for his signature on a free, or may have to look elsewhere before then. Barkley would have a season without game time or development and be on same low wages for the season.

After window closes, if he was still here, he might decide to sign a new deal with a release clause so he could play football again. Obviously we'd be in danger of losing £40m, but that's the risk you start threatening that sort of thing.  lolol
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on July 17, 2017, 08:28:52 AM
Not sure what you guys are hoping is going on, all the indications are not confusion or doubt, he's been quiet and consistent and is running down his deal to move elsewhere. You'd have to imagine Spurs had been tickling him along the whole while and convincing him to not to sign the new deal.

Levy is a frugal bastard, so I try to let him demonstrate through the medium of negotiation that they don't rate him that highly. Ideally we can get £50m and shift him elsewhere, but it seems clear that Barkley wants to go to Spurs and would probably reject others. I don't see Spurs going much over £30m and time and Barkley is on their side.

If it is Spurs or bust, then, then we can only really threaten to let him run it down in U23s. Next summer Spurs would have more competition for his signature on a free, or may have to look elsewhere before then. Barkley would have a season without game time or development and be on same low wages for the season.

After window closes, if he was still here, he might decide to sign a new deal with a release clause so he could play football again. Obviously we'd be in danger of losing £40m, but that's the risk you start threatening that sort of thing.  lolol

Agree with this if he is trying to run his contract down, then that for me would just mean one thing, apart from wanting to leave, a bigger pay packet. And that's unforgivable in my eyes, I wouldn't put him in the U 23's that would put a bad Apple with the youngsters. I would put him on the bench and never play him again, after all we will have a replacement in by then. If he wants to go at least be honest about it, hiding behind his agent is doing him no favours with the fans, in fact it breeds contempt.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 17, 2017, 01:38:02 PM
There could be a case of all this being 2+2 since Walker's transfer.

Too many independent rumours in my opinion, it's been swirling about for ages.

Touch of inevitability about it I think.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TrevorSteven on July 17, 2017, 01:49:22 PM
Not sure what you guys are hoping is going on, all the indications are not confusion or doubt, he's been quiet and consistent and is running down his deal to move elsewhere. You'd have to imagine Spurs had been tickling him along the whole while and convincing him to not to sign the new deal.

Levy is a frugal bastard, so I try to let him demonstrate through the medium of negotiation that they don't rate him that highly. Ideally we can get £50m and shift him elsewhere, but it seems clear that Barkley wants to go to Spurs and would probably reject others. I don't see Spurs going much over £30m and time and Barkley is on their side.

If it is Spurs or bust, then, then we can only really threaten to let him run it down in U23s. Next summer Spurs would have more competition for his signature on a free, or may have to look elsewhere before then. Barkley would have a season without game time or development and be on same low wages for the season.

After window closes, if he was still here, he might decide to sign a new deal with a release clause so he could play football again. Obviously we'd be in danger of losing £40m, but that's the risk you start threatening that sort of thing.  lolol

Think so too. He is running out his contract.

I say - game on - dont sell. Its a world cup coming up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 17, 2017, 01:58:19 PM
Agree with this if he is trying to run his contract down, then that for me would just mean one thing, apart from wanting to leave, a bigger pay packet. And that's unforgivable in my eyes, I wouldn't put him in the U 23's that would put a bad Apple with the youngsters. I would put him on the bench and never play him again, after all we will have a replacement in by then. If he wants to go at least be honest about it, hiding behind his agent is doing him no favours with the fans, in fact it breeds contempt.

You're not towing the line here.  Most supporters believe it's everyone else to blame for him possibly leaving except Ross himself.  There are no actual facts to back that up of course, that's just how us supporters like to think because we love a pirouette.  It's a bit like when Ross has a shit game - he's not to blame for that either.  It's because there's too much pressure on him, players around him aren't good enough, he's a local lad, manager doesn't like him, he's not in his perfect position, crowd get on his back etc. Basically Ross is brilliant, can do no wrong and everyone else is wrong instead.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 17, 2017, 03:37:09 PM
You're not towing the line here.  Most supporters believe it's everyone else to blame for him possibly leaving except Ross himself.  There are no actual facts to back that up of course, that's just how us supporters like to think because we love a pirouette.  It's a bit like when Ross has a shit game - he's not to blame for that either.  It's because there's too much pressure on him, players around him aren't good enough, he's a local lad, manager doesn't like him, he's not in his perfect position, crowd get on his back etc. Basically Ross is brilliant, can do no wrong and everyone else is wrong instead.

Don't forget that he must be a delicate, sensitive little soul who suffers from a crushing lack of self confidence because Jagielka once said something to him in the tunnel at half time.

And that Martinez was too soft on him whereas Koeman is too hard on him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ari on July 17, 2017, 03:46:17 PM
The original point was that one way or another, the club badly mishandled the situation.

That's the solution!  Blame it on the club not persons (like Koeman & Barkley) and than Rooney can step in and act as a negotiator... :)  It is not sarcasm.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Waltzer on July 17, 2017, 03:46:50 PM
This summer we've had both sides of the coin with regards to players wanting to leave with Rom and Ross and tbh I prefer Roms approach, at least he was being upfront and honest about his desire to move, where as Ross' no communications is just leaving a level of uncertainty everywhere.
Personally I dont really worry if he goes, there have been enough good managers both internationally and domestically (regardless of personal thoughts about them) that have given Ross a chance an grown frustrated with him and his inability to do whats asked or influence the game as he should, if he doesnt want to commit gt rid, hes not that great anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ell Capitan on July 17, 2017, 04:06:32 PM
Funny how we all can have such different reads on things. I'm still pretty sure he'll sign.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 17, 2017, 04:12:08 PM
Funny how we all can have such different reads on things. I'm still pretty sure he'll sign.

I don't see how anyone can be pretty sure of anything in this situation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 17, 2017, 04:13:22 PM
Funny how we all can have such different reads on things. I'm still pretty sure he'll sign.

I've sort of thought this for the past 24/48 hours.
Back on social media, Rooney coming out and saying that to the press, if Barkley is so delicate then you wouldn't open yourself up to social media abuse and Rooney wouldn't want to come across as if he's pressuring him. Now I actually think he's more likely to sign than be sold. Also Jim White would be banging on about it if a transfer was in the pipeline.
Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 17, 2017, 04:45:49 PM
Even though there has been the usual shit spouted by jounros this summer - continued speculation has usually resulted in concrete interest or an actual transfer.

Spurs are in for Ross - 100%
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 17, 2017, 05:00:41 PM
Even though there has been the usual shit spouted by jounros this summer - continued speculation has usually resulted in concrete interest or an actual transfer.

Spurs are in for Ross - 100%
You mean like Lukaku going to Chelsea?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 17, 2017, 05:23:49 PM
I think he's gone. Would need a massive and embarrassing climbdown from barkley or koeman and I doubt neither is willing
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 17, 2017, 05:29:55 PM
You mean like Lukaku going to Chelsea?
They wanted him and were in talks, just didn't want to pay.

Walker, Keane, Pickford, Rooney, Bakayoko etc were all consistently touted since the end of last season. Spurs have been linked for 6 months - there's genuine interest.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 17, 2017, 06:16:13 PM
Beyond caring
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 17, 2017, 06:51:58 PM
You're not towing the line here.  Most supporters believe it's everyone else to blame for him possibly leaving except Ross himself.  There are no actual facts to back that up of course, that's just how us supporters like to think because we love a pirouette.  It's a bit like when Ross has a shit game - he's not to blame for that either.  It's because there's too much pressure on him, players around him aren't good enough, he's a local lad, manager doesn't like him, he's not in his perfect position, crowd get on his back etc. Basically Ross is brilliant, can do no wrong and everyone else is wrong instead.

Looking at the calibre of poster that agrees with you, and liked this post, you must feel very secure in your opinion. It's like a who's who of insight and intelligence.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 17, 2017, 06:57:05 PM
Looking at the calibre of poster that agrees with you, and liked this post, you must feel very secure in your opinion. It's like a who's who of insight and intelligence.

And most condescending post of the year award goes to...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 17, 2017, 06:57:15 PM
Looking at the calibre of poster that agrees with you, and liked this post, you must feel very secure in your opinion. It's like a who's who of insight and intelligence.

Oh it's you again. Interesting that you never replied to the points I made earlier. Have another day to have a think about though by all means. It's warning having my own troll.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 17, 2017, 06:58:28 PM
And most condescending post of the year award goes to...

Yeah, it was totally intentional.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 17, 2017, 07:00:53 PM
Oh it's you again. Interesting that you never replied to the points I made earlier. Have another day to have a think about though by all means. It's warning having my own troll.

Remind me again? I can hardly be accused of shying away from a debate/argument.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 17, 2017, 07:03:03 PM
Looking at the calibre of poster that agrees with you, and liked this post, you must feel very secure in your opinion. It's like a who's who of insight and intelligence.

lolol

What a little fanny you are
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 17, 2017, 07:04:57 PM
Yeah, it was totally intentional.

You need to take a break from the internet. You won't but please just give it a chance.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 17, 2017, 07:12:52 PM
lolol

What a little fanny you are

A compliment from you, Shakespeare.

You need to take a break from the internet. You won't but please just give it a chance.

Devastating comeback, ally. You can do better than that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 17, 2017, 07:17:25 PM
They wanted him and were in talks, just didn't want to pay.

Walker, Keane, Pickford, Rooney, Bakayoko etc were all consistently touted since the end of last season. Spurs have been linked for 6 months - there's genuine interest.

What you're doing is confirmation bias. Look at the hundreds, if not thousands of player-club "links" that don't end up in a transfer, not just the half a dozen or so that do.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 17, 2017, 07:20:06 PM
A compliment from you, Shakespeare.

Devastating comeback, ally. You can do better than that.

:clap:

You genuinely do come across as a snivelling little weasel when you post though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 17, 2017, 07:24:32 PM
Lads, it's a Monday.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 17, 2017, 07:25:08 PM
Lads, it's a Monday.
Mardy Monday
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 17, 2017, 07:31:00 PM
Think someone must have sand in his mangina from Formby beach after the nice weather yesterday
Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 17, 2017, 07:31:02 PM
A compliment from you, Shakespeare.

Devastating comeback, ally. You can do better than that.

I really can't.

I do mean it though. This discussion did actually move on from whether Barkley is any good or not. The subject seems to rile you into a state of abusiveness which is actually rather weird.

Edit - sorry the comment I made was pages back. I'm not re typing it because I know you're capable finding it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 17, 2017, 07:37:07 PM
So the fact he's back on Twitter in an Everton shirt pointing at his name on the back. Is he staying or not?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Blue Lagoon on July 17, 2017, 07:40:39 PM
So the fact he's back on Twitter in an Everton shirt pointing at his name on the back. Is he staying or not?
Well at least it's not a Spurs shirt.
Imagine the meltdown.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue slug on July 17, 2017, 07:47:21 PM
i just hope the whole barkley saga gets sorted asap just to help people get along again, just agree to disagree
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 17, 2017, 07:51:35 PM
So the fact he's back on Twitter in an Everton shirt pointing at his name on the back. Is he staying or not?

was half expecting it to be a Belgium shirt
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 17, 2017, 08:01:08 PM
Well at least it's not a Spurs shirt.
Imagine the meltdown.

Was it the home or away shirt? If it's the away, it "could" be a Spurs shirt...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 17, 2017, 08:02:22 PM
Well at least it's not a Spurs shirt.
Imagine the meltdown.

Yet.....  :whistle:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 17, 2017, 08:12:24 PM
Looking at the calibre of poster that agrees with you, and liked this post, you must feel very secure in your opinion. It's like a who's who of insight and intelligence.

Wow, that's patronising, even for you.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 17, 2017, 08:32:53 PM
So the fact he's back on Twitter in an Everton shirt pointing at his name on the back. Is he staying or not?

To me him pointing at his name says 'I think I'm great, you're lucky to have me...'
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 17, 2017, 08:51:00 PM
You're not towing the line here.  Most supporters believe it's everyone else to blame for him possibly leaving except Ross himself.  There are no actual facts to back that up of course, that's just how us supporters like to think because we love a pirouette.  It's a bit like when Ross has a shit game - he's not to blame for that either.  It's because there's too much pressure on him, players around him aren't good enough, he's a local lad, manager doesn't like him, he's not in his perfect position, crowd get on his back etc. Basically Ross is brilliant, can do no wrong and everyone else is wrong instead.

I can't agree with that. You're making out like there is some grand conspiracy or whitewashing of the facts.

There has been plenty of criticism of Barkley in the match day threads. If Barkley is the one behind any possible move, I'm sure it'll come out in the end.

All we have to go on right now is the Koeman media treatment, and yeah I'd say Barkley wasn't at fault there. He was often the one being publicly singled out by Koeman, he was dropped a few times but he mostly came back and responded well on the field. Koeman then went and said the infamous "sign in X amount of days otherwise you'll be sold" line and that was that last of what we really have to work with as fans. Again Barkley has pretty much just kept his head down where he could've responded negatively in the media.

Add that to the Martinez era issues and the contract being allowed to get into the current state it's in with a year left which has contributed to this game of chicken between Koeman and Barkley and I'd say Barkley was about 3rd place here in taking blame for the current state of things after the club and Koeman.

Maybe he's been instigating this for a while, maybe he was just wanting to see if the club had ambition and was able to attract a quality striker in after losing Lukaku. Point is, we don't know. From what we do know from the above though, the public facts such as they are there is plenty of blame to go around but the majority does not fall at Barkley's feet. At least not yet.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on July 17, 2017, 09:24:55 PM
Wow, that's patronising, even for you.

It's just the way he is, have been saying it for ages but don't bother anymore.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 17, 2017, 09:26:58 PM
Looking at the calibre of poster that agrees with you, and liked this post, you must feel very secure in your opinion. It's like a who's who of insight and intelligence.


Up there with one of your worst posts ever:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 17, 2017, 09:32:26 PM
You're not towing the line here.  Most supporters believe it's everyone else to blame for him possibly leaving except Ross himself.  There are no actual facts to back that up of course, that's just how us supporters like to think because we love a pirouette.  It's a bit like when Ross has a shit game - he's not to blame for that either.  It's because there's too much pressure on him, players around him aren't good enough, he's a local lad, manager doesn't like him, he's not in his perfect position, crowd get on his back etc. Basically Ross is brilliant, can do no wrong and everyone else is wrong instead.

On the flip side people like yourself do seem to be quick to jump on him and ignore important factors regarding the way he's performed.

It's up to himself now to find that level of consistency. However, he has been poorly managed over that last few seasons, and the crowd at Goodison can be a burden on his back, the constant shouts of TURN!!!!!! anytime he gets the ball on the halfway line for example. No other player gets that.

Do see your point though, is there not a middle ground we can all agree on?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 17, 2017, 09:34:17 PM

Up there with one of your worst posts ever:

Competitive category 😉
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 17, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Given the long time wrangling with Rom, despite him having 2 years to go, it's not hard to imagine Barkley feeling underappreciated by club.

With lots of fans opinion about Barkley being not good enough or not able to create enough. There has also been a lot of support for Barkley, but even then it's been a bit condescending, he was always going to be a disappointment to fans.

I think everyone just took it assumed that he was happy and hadn't noticed him heading towards the exit. I think lots of people felt he was lucky to be here and wouldn't get a better offer.

You'd have to know Barkley to know at what point in last 9 months he decided he wanted out. Whether he knew of interest and then contract wasn't as good and then it lead to a standoff and move or whether there was a specific incident or moment when he decided he wanted to leave.

But while information has been virtually nil from his camp, there are not many things he could say that would help situation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 17, 2017, 09:40:26 PM
FLASHBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1  PRIMARY SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MORNING BREAK IN PLAYGROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!        "FIGHT! FIGHT!" and we all run over to watch.
 :Horse:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 17, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Given the long time wrangling with Rom, despite him having 2 years to go, it's not hard to imagine Barkley feeling underappreciated by club.

With lots of fans opinion about Barkley being not good enough or not able to create enough. There has also been a lot of support for Barkley, but even then it's been a bit condescending, he was always going to be a disappointment to fans.

I think everyone just took it assumed that he was happy and hadn't noticed him heading towards the exit. I think lots of people felt he was lucky to be here and wouldn't get a better offer.

You'd have to know Barkley to know at what point in last 9 months he decided he wanted out. Whether he knew of interest and then contract wasn't as good and then it lead to a standoff and move or whether there was a specific incident or moment when he decided he wanted to leave.

But while information has been virtually nil from his camp, there are not many things he could say that would help situation.

He was always going to be a disappointment?

I assume you must know Barkley as you say you'd have to know him to know when in the last nine months he decided.. but your own logic precludes that you know that he did decide he wants out (despite you also saying there's no evidence)?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on July 17, 2017, 09:59:17 PM
On the flip side people like yourself do seem to be quick to jump on him and ignore important factors regarding the way he's performed.

It's up to himself now to find that level of consistency. However, he has been poorly managed over that last few seasons, and the crowd at Goodison can be a burden on his back, the constant shouts of TURN!!!!!! anytime he gets the ball on the halfway line for example. No other player gets that.

Do see your point though, is there not a middle ground we can all agree on?

Tony Hibbert used to get shoot, sure this isn't just tongue in cheek Ram ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 17, 2017, 10:03:11 PM
He was always going to be a disappointment?

I assume you must know Barkley as you say you'd have to know him to know when in the last nine months he decided.. but your own logic precludes that you know that he did decide he wants out (despite you also saying there's no evidence)?

We can just assume for the sake of argument that he has. But since he basically admits that we have no way of knowing what exactly went on, it makes no difference as to the validity of @Ridge (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=60)'s post.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 17, 2017, 10:03:48 PM
Only one way to settle some of the arguments in this thread,

(http://static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Have+this+_6a98e05af6709f8f19f9d99c7c4df8f5.gif)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Alanvideo on July 17, 2017, 10:05:33 PM

It's up to himself now to find that level of consistency. However, he has been poorly managed over that last few seasons, and the crowd at Goodison can be a burden on his back, the constant shouts of TURN!!!!!! anytime he gets the ball on the halfway line for example. No other player gets that.
.................oh it was turn was it ? I always thought they were shouting ' turd '  :o
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: plumber on July 17, 2017, 10:13:44 PM
Looking at the calibre of poster that agrees with you, and liked this post, you must feel very secure in your opinion. It's like a who's who of insight and intelligence.

Wow.
You've surpassed yourself here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 17, 2017, 10:14:23 PM
All those saying it's harsh on him ...
At the end of the day sitting in his mahoisive house counting his money away from real problems..... any footballer should be able to take crowd banter ,booing people shouting turn , or anything else thrown at them by the crowd including the odd fifty p ,he and every other player get much worse away from home ..... Rooney him self got 'you fat bastard' for the last ten or so years from everywhere ...if you aint cut out for it you might as well go stack shelves in asda or work in a drive thru. ....leaving for a new job every time you get abused would be a daily thing though,  like most of the poor fuckers there who can't just whinge.
He needs to man up massively imho....and imagine how much shite he would get going to spurs ....and not just of EFC supporters 😅😅.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 17, 2017, 10:15:11 PM
Wow.
You've surpassed yourself here.

I like to think so. Thanks 👍
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 17, 2017, 10:16:18 PM
Tony Hibbert used to get shoot, sure this isn't just tongue in cheek Ram ?

Ironic or not, its a fucking massive distraction if every time you get the ball a load of people shout the same thing every single time thinking they're funny.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 17, 2017, 10:19:32 PM
All those saying it's harsh on him ...
At the end of the day sitting in his mahoisive house counting his money away from real problems.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/aaron-lennon-sectioned-under-mental-health-act_uk_59097ef3e4b0bb2d087328be

It hasn't taken long for some to forget the lesson of this story.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Fynci on July 17, 2017, 10:19:42 PM
What you're doing is confirmation bias. Look at the hundreds, if not thousands of player-club "links" that don't end up in a transfer, not just the half a dozen or so that do.

I like how we're talking about confirmation bias on a football forum. Good work, have a cool.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 17, 2017, 10:24:31 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/aaron-lennon-sectioned-under-mental-health-act_uk_59097ef3e4b0bb2d087328be

It hasn't taken long for some to forget the lesson of this story.
Like I said try living in the real world with real problems and no help forthcoming ....because your not a celeb and or football player ... also I've never in all my goodison visits ever heard anything shouted at Lennon .
Ffs were talking about man here not 12 year old kids .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 17, 2017, 10:32:58 PM
Like I said try living in the real world with real problems and no help forthcoming ....because your not a celeb and or football player ... also I've never in all my goodison visits ever heard anything shouted at Lennon .
Ffs were talking about man here not 12 year old kids .

I'm sorry mate, but that's just dailymail talk. If you genuinely think mental illness isn't real, there is nothing I can do to help you, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 17, 2017, 10:37:31 PM
I'm sorry mate, but that's just dailymail talk. If you genuinely think mental illness isn't real, there is nothing I can do to help you, I'm afraid.
When did I say it wasn't real??,? ...I said try getting help for it when your not a celeb or footballer ...daily mail you make me laugh ....
Kids in Liverpool hear worse than what Ross gets most Saturday's playing for the under twelves ....like I said real world problems...if he can't take it he needs another line of work ,out of the public sector where everybody 'deals' with abuse daily .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 17, 2017, 10:40:51 PM
All those saying it's harsh on him ...
At the end of the day sitting in his mahoisive house counting his money away from real problems..... any footballer should be able to take crowd banter ,booing people shouting turn , or anything else thrown at them by the crowd including the odd fifty p ,he and every other player get much worse away from home ..... Rooney him self got 'you fat bastard' for the last ten or so years from everywhere ...if you aint cut out for it you might as well go stack shelves in asda or work in a drive thru. ....leaving for a new job every time you get abused would be a daily thing though,  like most of the poor fuckers there who can't just whinge.
He needs to man up massively imho....and imagine how much shite he would get going to spurs ....and not just of EFC supporters 😅😅.
What an utter bollocks post
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 17, 2017, 10:49:12 PM
He was always going to be a disappointment?

I assume you must know Barkley as you say you'd have to know him to know when in the last nine months he decided.. but your own logic precludes that you know that he did decide he wants out (despite you also saying there's no evidence)?

High expectations he was never going to be able to satisfy. We lived a bit vicariously through Ross as a homegrown lad. As a collective, we always thought he could be more than what he was and we held him to a higher standard than others.

I was pointing out that someone would have to know him to have insight into his thinking and when any decisions were made. There was never a suggestion he would leave or wanted out, but everything is consistent with someone running down deal for a move, with or without comment. I think all the evidence suggests the decision was made in the last year, that's my opinion, draw your own conclusions, he could have always dreamed of pretending to leave, then at the last minute signing a new deal. Maybe he wants guarantees on game time, maybe he wants to be a tree.

Koeman's position made explicitly clear that he would be sold, but also showed how keen he was to get him to sign a new contract. If Ross wanted to stay, he's been given enough opportunities, offers and ultimatums to do so. If he didn't have an place he'd rather be and can go, why not demand a release clause. Very few leave a job without a better one to go to and he would have got a huge pay increase to stay.

I can understand people get emotional and don't want to believe what's happening, but both Everton and Spurs have pretty much confirmed negotiations are ongoing. I'm not sure why you'd think he'd have thought for moving for well over a year or him not wanting to move, both seem illogical in circumstances.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 17, 2017, 10:55:54 PM
What an utter bollocks post
Which part the he needs to man up bit. .....
Or the all people get shut in every day life bit. ...

I'm curious to know why he needs a big hug and love constantly when he plays what used to be a man's game ...
Good job this isn't the eighties where players were actually abused .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 17, 2017, 10:57:42 PM
Which part the he needs to man up bit. .....
Or the all people get shut in every day life bit. ...

I'm curious to know why he needs a big hug and love constantly when he plays what used to be a man's game ...
Good job this isn't the eighties where players were actually abused .

Alright Grandad...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 17, 2017, 11:00:17 PM
Which part the he needs to man up bit. .....
Or the all people get shut in every day life bit. ...

I'm curious to know why he needs a big hug and love constantly when he plays what used to be a man's game ...
Good job this isn't the eighties where players were actually abused .

and the 80s were sound where they?
Being a big manly man back then means its sound to be a cunt to somebody today?

He should man the fuck up or just fuck off like Justin Fashnu?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 17, 2017, 11:02:49 PM
Which part the he needs to man up bit. .....
Or the all people get shut in every day life bit. ...

I'm curious to know why he needs a big hug and love constantly when he plays what used to be a man's game ...
Good job this isn't the eighties where players were actually abused .
All of it, from start to end

Why should any human being be expected just to be abused and have things thrown at him. Fucking hell.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 17, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
The rich people don't have emotions, they are paid enough to not feel argument, popular as ever. Exactly the sort of thinking that is why so many lottery winners go off the rails when money doesn't solve all their problems.

I believe it was the Notorius BIG who opined that more wealth can lead to more issues in life, but Jay Z who said that while he had a lot of problems, a lady was not one of those issues and to hit him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 17, 2017, 11:05:48 PM
I'm curious to know why he needs a big hug and love constantly when he plays what used to be a man's game ...

I assume that being an Evertonian, you've read Mick Rathbone's autobiography.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 17, 2017, 11:07:19 PM
and the 80s were sound where they?
Being a big manly man back then means its sound to be a cunt to somebody today?

He should man the fuck up or just fuck off like Justin Fashnu?
For Christ sake it's a minority of boos  (not by myself may I add) not the absolute hate that some claim it to be ...it's not even close to what happened to Fashanu ,John Barnes ,Graham Lasaux ,or any dirty red nose that ever commited a two footed tackle at goodison for that matter ....you lot need to get a grip .....don't see anybody burning Ross efergies like they did with Beckham .. ... he's an overpayed over privileged footballer ,that needs to grow up and man up ....nothing else .

But yeah blame everyone else for his short comings on and off the pitch. ...I will gladly be your pubchbag 😅😅😅😅.honestly .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 17, 2017, 11:10:21 PM
All of it, from start to end

Why should any human being be expected just to be abused and have things thrown at him. Fucking hell.
Lots of people get far worse just working a normal day job ffs. ...if he can't take it why do it ....honestly anyone would think he's getting stalked or death threats.
Goodison is one of the nicer atmopheres in football ....good luck if he ever had to play in Turkey or some Italian places .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 17, 2017, 11:11:18 PM
I despise the phrase 'man up'.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 17, 2017, 11:13:23 PM
Lots of people get far worse just working a normal day job ffs. ...if he can't take it why do it ....honestly anyone would think he's getting stalked or death threats.
Goodison is one of the nicer atmopheres in football ....good luck if he ever had to play in Turkey or some Italian places .
The point I'm making is nothing to do with Barkley more your warped ideas about life and what we should just expect out of it

Anyway, fuck this, you carry on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 17, 2017, 11:15:01 PM
Although I loved the phrase "a minority of boos", it's like a collective noun, like a bloat of hippos.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 17, 2017, 11:15:31 PM
The rich people don't have emotions, they are paid enough to not feel argument, popular as ever. Exactly the sort of thinking that is why so many lottery winners go off the rails when money doesn't solve all their problems.

I believe it was the Notorius BIG who opined that more wealth can lead to more issues in life, but Jay Z who said that while he had a lot of problems, a lady was not one of those issues and to hit him.

Mo Besic Mo' problems
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 17, 2017, 11:18:20 PM
The point I'm making is nothing to do with Barkley more your warped ideas about life and what we should just expect out of it

Anyway, fuck this, you carry on.
Reality is a harsh mistress ....no point playing the softly softly these days. ...as we can see above, feelings end up getting hurt for no good reason other than one person's opinions not matching your own .....if only we could all live in Eutopia without all this victim mentality. ..but hey we don't
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 17, 2017, 11:19:39 PM
We can just assume for the sake of argument that he has. But since he basically admits that we have no way of knowing what exactly went on, it makes no difference as to the validity of @Ridge (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=60)'s post.
Perhaps I misread the tone of the post, thinking these were his opinions when reading again it seems clear he was describing the debate overall.

My apologies @Ridge (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=60)

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 17, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
I despise the phrase 'man up'.
Person up ......for the equality loving among us .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 17, 2017, 11:29:50 PM
Not travelled with the squad to Holland
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 17, 2017, 11:31:23 PM
In a bit Ross
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 17, 2017, 11:44:04 PM
According to Jim White, no bids yet received, yet he believes he is almost certain to leave Everton 😔
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 17, 2017, 11:47:43 PM
According to Jim White, no bids yet received, yet he believes he is almost certain to leave Everton 😔

Where's this from Sam?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: velimski on July 17, 2017, 11:48:31 PM
Where's this from Sam?

Jim White I think.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 17, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
Jim White I think.


Walked into that one!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 17, 2017, 11:50:30 PM
What you're doing is confirmation bias. Look at the hundreds, if not thousands of player-club "links" that don't end up in a transfer, not just the half a dozen or so that do.
Yeah obviously there's an element to that, especially if you cherry-pick players linked in scatter-gun, throw-away stories. I'm talking about Walker, Keane, Pickford and other stories that have/were on a near weekly cycle.

Spurs have been linked with Ross for months.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 17, 2017, 11:51:04 PM
Spurs have us over a barrel here
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 17, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
The rich people don't have emotions, they are paid enough to not feel argument, popular as ever. Exactly the sort of thinking that is why so many lottery winners go off the rails when money doesn't solve all their problems.

I believe it was the Notorius BIG who opined that more wealth can lead to more issues in life, but Jay Z who said that while he had a lot of problems, a lady was not one of those issues and to hit him.


HAHAHA! Only Ridge can make Mo Money, Mo Problems sound intellectual.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 17, 2017, 11:54:11 PM
I despise the phrase 'man up'.

You prefer Giddy up don't ya....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on July 18, 2017, 12:01:49 AM
Not travelled with the squad to Holland

Well either it's that long standing groin injury, Koeman has raised his eyebrows at him or Spurs have told him not to bother. Sorry in advance to anyone in this world of political correctness, if I've upset anyone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: D15TIN on July 18, 2017, 12:26:15 AM
Be a bad move for Barkley imo, he'll be looking for a loan deal away in 12-18 months
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 18, 2017, 12:36:31 AM
Where's this from Sam?

Sorry for the delay, he just said it on Sky Sports News
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 18, 2017, 12:42:44 AM
Sorry for the delay, he just said it on Sky Sports News

That's that then.

Saw it coming from last summer but I'm pretty pissed off at it still. Can't see how you can expect to bridge the gap with the richer clubs above you if you keep selling them your best players.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Thornton_19 on July 18, 2017, 12:44:17 AM
Spurs have us over a barrel here
I think he will be here until January. Doubt we will budge from our stance until then.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 18, 2017, 12:46:45 AM
Although I loved the phrase "a minority of boos", it's like a collective noun, like a bloat of hippos.

A pandemonium of Parrots is my favourite.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Silas on July 18, 2017, 12:46:59 AM
Fucking manopausal in this thread today.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on July 18, 2017, 12:49:11 AM
That's that then.

Saw it coming from last summer but I'm pretty pissed off at it still. Can't see how you can expect to bridge the gap with the richer clubs above you if you keep selling them your best players.

Gutted that he seems to be going myself mate, but you cannot keep an unhappy player. I thought he was going to be our Gerrard, but in this case I'm more disappointed with the player, we have offered him one of the best contracts this club has ever done, but you can not make him sign it. This is not the club's decision, more like Barkley's.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 18, 2017, 12:52:12 AM
Be a bad move for Barkley imo, he'll be looking for a loan deal away in 12-18 months

Why? Stronger squad, perhaps less playing time but he might look better for the time he gets. Dele Alli is not the finished article yet, frankly he was terrible in almost all of the CL and EL games. Both of them would probably do well with competition.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 18, 2017, 12:57:28 AM
If he goes I bet he becomes another Jack Rodwell... soon found out, benched, then shipped out on the cheap to a desperate club.

I'll be amazed if he makes big.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 18, 2017, 01:03:16 AM
Well, if we already had Dembele, Eriksen, and Alli in our midfield, and we were about to add Ross Barkley for added squad depth from a fellow Top 7 club, I would be absolutely fucking ecstatic.

Ross is only 23, has bags of talent on the ball, power, and an eye for goal when he has confidence.

Fucking gutted to lose him.

Fucking distraught to lose him to Spurs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 18, 2017, 01:03:41 AM
Glad to see an end to all of it tbh.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 01:07:45 AM
Then if somebody lays him out in a club daaarn saaarf he will look for a loan to the midlands 😅...or somewhere more suited to his alleged 'by some' timid nature .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 18, 2017, 01:07:56 AM
Glad to see an end to all of it tbh.

Tbf he could (still) actually be injured.

Funes Mori and Bolasie didn't travel either.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bally on July 18, 2017, 01:09:55 AM


All those saying it's harsh on him ...
At the end of the day sitting in his mahoisive house counting his money away from real problems..... any footballer should be able to take crowd banter ,booing people shouting turn , or anything else thrown at them by the crowd including the odd fifty p ,he and every other player get much worse away from home ..... Rooney him self got 'you fat bastard' for the last ten or so years from everywhere ...if you aint cut out for it you might as well go stack shelves in asda or work in a drive thru. ....leaving for a new job every time you get abused would be a daily thing though,  like most of the poor fuckers there who can't just whinge.
He needs to man up massively imho....and imagine how much shite he would get going to spurs ....and not just of EFC supporters 😅😅.

Wow
Fuck me sideways

I'm guessing... Just guessing by the way, you have never had to deal with anyone with mental health issues in any way shape or form, seriously if I am incorrect then please feel free to correct me.

I'm also guessing that you have never been on the receiving end of abuse that may hurt you, I'm also guessing that you have never had to be empathetic to a friend or family member... But again if I am wrong please correct me.

Your views in my opinion are idiotic and I am assuming you have never been educated in this type of problem, if that is the case then that's fine, you can be educated or educate yourself at least, if you are educated in this field and still have this view then... Well
Nothing

I have fuck all

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 18, 2017, 01:09:57 AM
Tbf he could (still) actually be injured.

Funes Mori and Bolasie didn't travel either.


Stop it you sadomasochistic swine.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 18, 2017, 01:10:40 AM
Stop it you sadomasochistic swine.

Love it when you talk dirty
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sirblue57 on July 18, 2017, 01:11:05 AM
money does not bring happiness, just a better class of.misery.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 18, 2017, 01:11:50 AM
The rich people don't have emotions, they are paid enough to not feel argument, popular as ever. Exactly the sort of thinking that is why so many lottery winners go off the rails when money doesn't solve all their problems.

I believe it was the Notorius BIG who opined that more wealth can lead to more issues in life, but Jay Z who said that while he had a lot of problems, a lady was not one of those issues and to hit him.

Koeman had a similar problem with tadic at Southampton as he does here with Barkley.

Now he's moved on at least he can say he has 99 problems but Tadic ain't one.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sirblue57 on July 18, 2017, 01:12:01 AM
money does not bring happiness, just a better class of.misery.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 18, 2017, 01:15:06 AM
Koeman had a similar problem with tadic at Southampton as he does here with Barkley.

Now he's moved on at least he can say he has 99 problems but Tadic ain't one.

👍🏼
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 01:18:50 AM

Wow
Fuck me sideways

I'm guessing... Just guessing by the way, you have never had to deal with anyone with mental health issues in any way shape or form, seriously if I am incorrect then please feel free to correct me.

I'm also guessing that you have never been on the receiving end of abuse that may hurt you, I'm also guessing that you have never had to be empathetic to a friend or family member... But again if I am wrong please correct me.

Your views in my opinion are idiotic and I am assuming you have never been educated in this type of problem, if that is the case then that's fine, you can be educated or educate yourself at least, if you are educated in this field and still have this view then... Well
Nothing

I have fuck all
I actually have a sister and an auntie with mental health issues ... it's never been stated that Ross has either of these  only by the mental health specialists in here .....you try getting help for anybody not famous with these issues it just doesn't exist ....
As for empathy my daughter's boyfriend hung himself last year ...I was in suicide watch with her for months thanks for asking ...and again no help forthcoming just another waiting list .

Real life issues go way beyond a few boos and stagefright .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 18, 2017, 01:21:24 AM
The rich people don't have emotions, they are paid enough to not feel argument, popular as ever. Exactly the sort of thinking that is why so many lottery winners go off the rails when money doesn't solve all their problems.

I believe it was the Notorius BIG who opined that more wealth can lead to more issues in life, but Jay Z who said that while he had a lot of problems, a lady was not one of those issues and to hit him.

And, not about Ross, but about my dislike of the arch plagiarist Jay-Z; he stole the track off of Ice T, and didn't even ask permission, the shameless unoriginal bellend




Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bally on July 18, 2017, 01:24:17 AM


I actually have a sister and an auntie with mental health issues ... it's never been stated that Ross has either of these  only by the mental health specialists in here .....you try getting help for anybody not famous with these issues it just doesn't exist ....
As for empathy my daughter's boyfriend hung himself last year ...I was in suicide watch with her for months thanks for asking ...and again no help forthcoming just another waiting list .

Real life issues go way beyond a few boos and stagefright .

So you have experience with it, yet you still fully believe that it's ok because he's a footballer and gets paid a lot of money.
Im genuinely gutted for what you have been through but I know personally there is help available, good help, even for non famous people, I have no idea where you looked for help or how but it is most definitely there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 18, 2017, 01:24:48 AM
Gutted that he seems to be going myself mate, but you cannot keep an unhappy player. I thought he was going to be our Gerrard, but in this case I'm more disappointed with the player, we have offered him one of the best contracts this club has ever done, but you can not make him sign it. This is not the club's decision, more like Barkley's.

All a bit to little to late though isn't it.

We left ourselves vulnerable to this and it looks like the inevitable has happened.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 01:38:58 AM

So you have experience with it, yet you still fully believe that it's ok because he's a footballer and gets paid a lot of money.
Im genuinely gutted for what you have been through but I know personally there is help available, good help, even for non famous people, I have no idea where you looked for help or how but it is most definitely there.
It may well be locally but unfortunately the daughter lives up in Congleton and there is no help she has been moved down the bereavement councillors list that much ....she now lives day to day ...luckily we are a strong family for her.

It's got nothing to do with him being a footballer(although the money does make things easier on all problems imho) but if he has true issues in dealing with crowds and a bit of banter abuse etc ...he's in the wrong line of work as I said earlier ...Goodison is a sandpit compared to some grounds round the country and abroad ...we're he will suffer a lot worse than any BLUENOSE ever threw at him ...so maybe if the shrinks on here are to be true in their views ....he should give it up as a bad job ....because other clubs fans wont/don't give a shit about his mental state and will use it against him at every turn wherever he plied his trade.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheTone on July 18, 2017, 02:00:45 AM
I'll be amazed if he ends up at Spurs, never thought he would be a Pochettino type player with the way he likes players to constantly close down with a high work rate etc

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 18, 2017, 02:09:47 AM
Think he'll turn him into a dynamic version of dembele. frightening thought.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 02:25:06 AM
Tbf he could (still) actually be injured.

Funes Mori and Bolasie didn't travel either.
Maybe Ron kicked him in the groin for not signing when he said?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 18, 2017, 02:31:38 AM
Maybe Ron kicked him in the groin for not signing when he said?
He still had his Jack Boots on when he thought he'd changed in to Orange pom pom slippers..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 18, 2017, 02:36:39 AM
Similar to when it looked like Rom was leaving, you just want it all completed as soon as possible so everyone can move on.

Personally I think it's all become too protracted and too public for it to swing 180 and for him to sign the contract now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blob on July 18, 2017, 02:36:42 AM
who knows. i'll just leave you with this :)

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/toe-the-line.html
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Waltzer on July 18, 2017, 02:42:47 AM
For all the talent in the world he doesn't seem to have much between is ears or a great awareness of what's around him, and that'll always hold him back. There are much worse players than Barkley that'll have a much more successful career due to awareness. Its been a trait throughout his career, even on loan in the championship that managers felt they couldn't trust him to do the basics. Its a shame but there has been an inevitability about it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 18, 2017, 03:09:52 AM
Think he'll turn him into a dynamic version of dembele. frightening thought

I think he'll go there and do a Pienaar personally
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Simon Paul on July 18, 2017, 03:10:48 AM
I think he'll go there and do a Pienaar personally

and come back for a season long swansong before getting injured?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on July 18, 2017, 03:12:03 AM
I despise the phrase 'man up'.

Why ? It's not sexist if addressed to a male and in some circumstances is quite appropriate, what is your issue with it ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 18, 2017, 03:16:40 AM
Why ? It's not sexist if addressed to a male and in some circumstances is quite appropriate, what is your issue with it ?

Nothing to do with being sexist. It implies men can't have emotions or show weakness.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 18, 2017, 03:18:42 AM
Think he'll turn him into a dynamic version of dembele. frightening thought.

That's what they'll hope.

It took a while to get through to Dembele and he hasn't really developed a cutting edge to mark him out.

They would have hoped to have tapped into some sort of more dynamic vein in Sissoko too but it's failed pretty badly.

The lack of links anywhere else suggests that this has been on the cards for a while so I'd guess that Barkley thinks he'll be able to develop there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 18, 2017, 03:21:06 AM
and come back for a season long swansong before getting injured?

Preferably not!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 18, 2017, 03:26:08 AM
Nothing to do with being sexist. It implies men can't have emotions or show weakness.

Only if you read too much into a throwaway comment that was popular for a little spell a few years ago before dying a death.

Wouldn't worry about it tbh.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 18, 2017, 03:28:53 AM
Why ? It's not sexist if addressed to a male and in some circumstances is quite appropriate, what is your issue with it ?

I'm personally not against using it in certain situations, and it's difficult to explain, but in a positive, empowering way.

For example if I was personally in a situation that I was struggling and I said I need to man up here, fine.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with being a man or masculinity and like I say I think it can be empowering to use it in a possible kinda aspirational way.

HOWEVER, it does unfortunately have some pretty ugly connotations; be more man = be less woman is probably an obvious one. To be 'less man' is weakness and should be derided, and the idea that anyone showing any kind of weakness should be able to overcome it by simply being more man and less women, so when used around emotional or god help us, mental problems, it's just an example of the unhelpful and unhealthy cultural attitudes that have lead to 1) sexism alive and well in 2017 and 2) emotionally stunted young men killing themselves in record numbers year after year.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Simon Paul on July 18, 2017, 03:29:33 AM
be some fume on here if he stays won't there?

kin ell lads he's an Evertonian
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 18, 2017, 03:32:19 AM
I suppose the man bit could also = less boy i.e. a demonstration of maturity or strength.

The phrase is awful though. I always associate with John Terry so that's probably why.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 18, 2017, 03:33:04 AM
That's what they'll hope.

It took a while to get through to Dembele and he hasn't really developed a cutting edge to mark him out.

They would have hoped to have tapped into some sort of more dynamic vein in Sissoko too but it's failed pretty badly.

The lack of links anywhere else suggests that this has been on the cards for a while so I'd guess that Barkley thinks he'll be able to develop there.

I can see why. When he's playing well he's so difficult to dispossess. Physically strong and technically excellent. Good range of passing and of course the missing element from dembele - dynamic athleticism that can shift up a gear effortlessly and turn from a short touch control footballer to a long stride distance coverer.

If poch has outlined a plan like that to Ross I've got no doubt in my mind it would appeal to him over feeling like he's not really rated by Koeman.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 18, 2017, 03:38:22 AM
Depends on the situation.

For example my best mate is a Royal Marine, done a few tours of Afghan and apart from all the other weird Marine language he uses, I can guarantee he used the term 'man up' when on tour. It's never really stopped him opening up about his emotions.

But then again I do think it's one of them phrases that will gradually go away because in most situations it's probably not the ideal phrase. It's a little bit like how kids say 'your gay' as a throw away jokey phrase to their mates, that was to 'go to' shout when I was in school, but thankfully that seems to have subsided. Although you still hear it the odd time between teenagers.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 03:40:23 AM
I suppose the man bit could also = less boy i.e. a demonstration of maturity or strength.

The phrase is awful though. I always associate with John Terry so that's probably why.
Ffs i will take stick  all day for the things I say but that John Terry comparison was fucking harsh .

Gutted .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 18, 2017, 03:40:36 AM
Would just like to see a decision made one way or the other. Don't care what that decision is, but it needs to be made soon. Hate things that drag on when they don't need to.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 18, 2017, 03:49:19 AM
be some fume on here if he stays won't there?

kin ell lads he's an Evertonian

Young and talented as well.

I really can't understand what's not to like?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 03:50:47 AM
I suppose the man bit could also = less boy i.e. a demonstration of maturity or strength.

I think therein lies the problem, or to be more precise in the implication that if you were a real man, this wouldn't be happening to you. Which doesn't exactly help when you're already really low. Some people of course won't be affected by this implied meaning, but others may.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 03:54:40 AM
Ffs i will take stick  all day for the things I say but that John Terry comparison was fucking harsh .

Gutted .
Do you need to speak with one of the resident shrinks?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 03:56:35 AM
I think therein lies the problem, or to be more precise in the implication that if you were real man, this wouldn't be happening to you. Which doesn't exactly help when you're already really low. Some people of course won't be affected by this implied meaning, but others may.
It's a bit like banter. Different people mean different things by it, and some use it as justification for bullying or abuse. ☹️
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 03:58:26 AM
Do you need to speak with one of the resident shrinks?
No its ok...I will be ok eventually , I have skin thicker than clingfilm thankfully ..... and don't need mental help due to a bit of banter .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 18, 2017, 03:58:32 AM
Fuck it Edit:

Later Ross.  >:(
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 03:58:36 AM
Young and talented as well.

I really can't understand what's not to like?
Maybe it's a backlash. Most summer we have dozens of issues, and so the stress comes out all over the place. With this Iranian summer we're enjoying, there is nothing to be stressed about other than Barkley. Something about overcompensating emotional outbursts?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 18, 2017, 03:59:26 AM
I also despise the word 'banter'
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 04:01:39 AM
I also despise the word 'banter'
Would a gentle ribbing be more suited .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 04:01:46 AM
No its ok...I will be ok eventuly, I have skin thicker than clingfilm thankfully ..... and don't need mental help due to a bit of banter .
I guess you could consider having thick skin to be a skill, or at least good fortune. Perhaps it's harder to acquire when you grow up in a bubble with everyone worshipping you as the next footballing messiah?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 18, 2017, 04:04:07 AM
Depends on the situation.

For example my best mate is a Royal Marine, done a few tours of Afghan and apart from all the other weird Marine language he uses, I can guarantee he used the term 'man up' when on tour. It's never really stopped him opening up about his emotions.


Not trying to argue with you here because you're being like understanding. sort of agreeing with me I think but; ex-armed forces are an extremely high risk group for male suicide.

It's not about whether your mate who says it is alright, it's about whether attitudes like that help or harm in a bigger picture.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 04:07:41 AM
I guess you could consider having thick skin to be a skill, or at least good fortune. Perhaps it's harder to acquire when you grow up in a bubble with everyone worshipping you as the next footballing messiah?
Any lad growing up in wavertree should be well versed in a ribbing .... not met many scousers who can't take stick....it's a trait most of us are born with ...and if not the lads around us soon teach us .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 18, 2017, 04:11:21 AM
Depends on the situation.

For example my best mate is a Royal Marine, done a few tours of Afghan and apart from all the other weird Marine language he uses, I can guarantee he used the term 'man up' when on tour. It's never really stopped him opening up about his emotions.

But then again I do think it's one of them phrases that will gradually go away because in most situations it's probably not the ideal phrase. It's a little bit like how kids say 'your gay' as a throw away jokey phrase to their mates, that was to 'go to' shout when I was in school, but thankfully that seems to have subsided. Although you still hear it the odd time between teenagers.

Sadly, there are still plenty of kids who use the term 'gay' in a negative and derogatory sense today.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 04:12:53 AM
Any lad growing up in wavertree should be well versed in a ribbing .... not met many scousers who can't take stick....it's a trait most of us are born with ...and if not the lads around us soon teach us .
There's a difference between ribbing from your peers and being the subject of ribbing by thousands of people when you're on the stage and everything is broadcast live around the world. And because of your life you are kept mostly separate from the general public, so much of what you hear is via the internet. That lovely sunny garden where everyone is always extra nice and loving to each other..

I get what your saying, but I have to say I don't think any of us have any idea what it's like on that side of the fence, so deriding him for not taking it like a proper man/scouser/person isn't really fair on another human being.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 18, 2017, 04:16:13 AM
The lad is also from a single parent family.

That has a lot to do with a lack of self esteem and confidence. Can also make someone sensitive to criticsm.

May be silly bringing that up, but I see all the traits of someone who lacked a male influence whilst growing up in Barkley

It's a mad thing to post like, but I'm tired of people thinking he should just 'man up' and get on with it.

We're all wired differently and we all react to things in our own way.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 04:18:17 AM
Any lad growing up in wavertree should be well versed in a ribbing .... not met many scousers who can't take stick....it's a trait most of us are born with ...and if not the lads around us soon teach us .

It isn't ribbing though that is the problem, is it.

It's seeing the dream that you've chased throughout your entire life fall apart in front of your eyes. If you're working in a shop and you get abuse, that's bad but at least you know that at the end of the day you go home and you don't give a shit. If you're a footballer playing for your boyhood club, things aren't as easy. Which is why I said earlier that moving to a different club might actually take the pressure off him, the pressure that he had put on himself.

Or he's a cunt who just wants more money. None of us really knows.

(By the way, I don't believe that second bit, but in the absence of any information it can't be ruled out.)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 04:19:12 AM
Not trying to argue with you here because you're being like understanding. sort of agreeing with me I think but; ex-armed forces are an extremely high risk group for male suicide.

It's not about whether your mate who says it is alright, it's about whether attitudes like that help or harm in a bigger picture.
It's a term that doesn't really mean anything, but is offered as advice. So if someone already has an internal recipe for 'manning up', it can be useful, but the danger is if someone doesn't have that already, it's useless advice. It's akin to telling a pig that to fly, all it has to do is flap it's wings.

Of course the male tendency to keep stum means they can't just say.. "well.. yeah.. but how do I do that?" And so may end up feeling more isolated and rejected by their peers.. downward spiral. And barring an actual serious breakdown which prevents you from functioning, people often feel they can't ask for help, regardless of how available it may be if they did. All because the advice they got was 'man up'.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 04:19:37 AM
Which Is why I said earlier maybe the lad isn't cut out for the job he's  chose ...I mean if I had vertigo I would fuck be a roofer would I ....and again ln we were talking about Goodison and his own supporters not Galatasery  where it can be really bad ... plus he only has to look at the shite thrown at any England squad that's failed in a tournament .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 04:22:13 AM
Which Is why I said earlier maybe the lad isn't cut out for the job he's  chose ...I mean if I had vertigo I would fuck be a roofer would I ....and again ln we were talking about Goodison and his own supporters not Galatasery  where it can be really bad ... plus he only has to look at the shite thrown at any England squad that's failed in a tournament .

This is what I'm saying though: getting it from your own supporters can be tens or hundreds of times as bad as from some bitter blokes in the stand you don't give a toss about.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 04:23:34 AM
I guess all this does raise the question of the club again. You'd hope sports psychologists would be all over issues like this, so if all this is down to Ross being fragile due to pressure, has someone dropped the ball at the club? Sadly it wouldn't be the first young player the club watched go off the rails. Maybe they did all they could in each case, but it could be a recurring pattern.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 18, 2017, 04:25:50 AM
Fucking hell the psychologists are taking over from the body language experts now.

It's getting to the point you'll need a British medical licence to post on here soon.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 04:29:02 AM
This is what I'm saying though: getting it from your own supporters can be tens or hundreds of times as bad as from some bitter blokes in the stand you don't give a toss about.
And if he does fuck off ...does  that mean he didn't actually give a fuck in the first place and this entire thread is guesswork ....and people were arguing among themselves cos they knew fuck all ....it would seem so .

But again I've never been one to boo him myself or other players ...except Cleverly (hold my hands up to that Vauxhall at best pile)...and truly hope he signs but ....if the shrinks on here are right ...it wont last neither will he as a footballer .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 04:31:20 AM
And if he does fuck off ...does  that mean he didn't actually give a fuck in the first place and this entire thread is guesswork ....and people were arguing among themselves cos they knew fuck all ....it would seem so .

Of course that's what we do. And we'll probably never hear the full story, whatever the outcome.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Toddacelli on July 18, 2017, 04:32:11 AM
I guess all this does raise the question of the club again. You'd hope sports psychologists would be all over issues like this.

If they're still having ham and cheese toasties and Nutella on every table - something like sports psychology seems light years away...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 04:50:06 AM
If they're still having ham and cheese toasties and Nutella on every table - something like sports psychology seems light years away...

They don't any more, so could it be the result of severe Nutella withdrawal?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 04:52:41 AM
They don't any more, so could it be the result of severe Nutella withdrawal?
And rumour has it Spurs have Nutella daily ...we cant compete with that ...despite our big money Moshiri.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 18, 2017, 04:54:24 AM
The lad may just fancy a change of scenery. New employer, new  city, new mates, fresh start.

We've probably all been at a stage in life where we'd love a change. He's in a very fortunate position to do it and be handsomely rewarded too. People forget these lads go through similar life issues and emotions just like the next man, regardless of what their bank balance says.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 04:56:27 AM
If they're still having ham and cheese toasties and Nutella on every table - something like sports psychology seems light years away...
Ross walks into the canteen one morning. It's been a long night and he's not had much sleep. What he see in there shocks him to his core.. he runs out, and dashes down the corridor to the managers office. Bursting through the door he finds Ronald hunched over a cup of hot black unsweeted bitter Dutch coffee. "Ross, what is the matter?" "Boss, I can't believe it, some cockwomble has stolen all the Nutella!" "Ross, I have made a decision for the good of the team. Nutella is an evil temptation that has made everyone fat and stupid, and I have banned it for all eternity" "But Boss, Nutella is the sunshine in my life, I can't go on without it!" "Man the fuck up you stupid boy. Now get out here"
****meanwhile in London****
"Poch, you remember that bug you order us to plant at Goodison? Listen to this.." "Tell Levy to get out his chequebook. And somebody go to Tesco and get some Nutella!"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 04:59:12 AM
Ross walks into the canteen one morning. It's been a long night and he's not had much sleep. What he see in there shocks him to his core.. he runs out, and dashes down the corridor to the managers office. Bursting through the door he finds Ronald hunched over a cup of hot black unsweeted bitter Dutch coffee. "Ross, what is the matter?" "Boss, I can't believe it, some cockwomble has stolen all the Nutella!" "Ross, I have made a decision for the good of the team. Nutella is an evil temptation that has made everyone fat and stupid, and I have banned it for all eternity" "But Boss, Nutella is the sunshine in my life, I can't go on without it!" "Man the fuck up you stupid boy. Now get out here"
****meanwhile in London****
"Poch, you remember that bug you order us to plant at Goodison? Listen to this.." "Tell Levy to get out his chequebook. And somebody go to Tesco and get some Nutella!"
Levy...
Wait !!!!! 'don't Aldi do a cheaper version of Nutella' .
Title: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 05:03:36 AM
Levy...
Wait !!!!! 'don't Aldi do a cheaper version of Nutella' .
Poch "Stop being a cheapskate cunt, I really want this player. Get Nutella or I tell the fans you want to sell Harry"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 18, 2017, 06:08:18 AM
They don't any more, so could it be the result of severe Nutella withdrawal?

It's like the lack of marmite in the middle east
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 06:09:17 AM
It's like the lack of marmite in the middle east

Which, as we know, is the main reason of all the wars and unrest over there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 18, 2017, 06:15:17 AM
Which, as we know, is the main reason of all the wars and unrest over there.

As stupid as it sounds, I like that kind of practical solution in the face of the seemingly insurmountable.

I was going to say zinc can't heal all the wounds, but it turns out its very important for healing wounds as well. The man had clearly thought of everything.  :whistle:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 06:18:52 AM
As stupid as it sounds, I like that kind of practical solution in the face of the seemingly insurmountable.

I was going to say zinc can't heal all the wounds, but it turns out its very important for healing wounds as well. The man had clearly thought of everything.  :whistle:

Well, nearly everything.  Because if you introduce Marmite to the region, religious tensions may subside, but there instead will be those who love Marmite...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 18, 2017, 06:19:49 AM
It hi ok the club is playing a blinder. We hype up all these decent players, make them sound amazing etc. Then sell them to the teams we chasing to weaken them. Like Barkley to Spurs, Stones to City, Lukaku to United being the only one not to fit the mould as he is brilliant.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 18, 2017, 06:50:03 AM
There's a wonderful parallel in this thread. A discussion about mental illness and being rich with, on the whole, an acceptance that being rich doesn't protect you from it.
Here we all are unhappily scrapping and arguing and why? Because since time immemorial we have been so poor that all our transfer dealings are done after tea on the final day of the window! This year?  We're rich, we've bought massively by mid July and there is now an empty meaningless void lasting until the end of August.
No, wealth definitely doesn't make you happy and it screws up forums. I suggest we show Moshiri the door, send back this summers signings and get a refund and wait on signing Arnautavich late evening on the 31st.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 18, 2017, 01:29:41 PM
I also despise the word 'banter'
Bantz
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 18, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
Bantz

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/yux.gif)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Fynci on July 18, 2017, 02:13:07 PM
I also despise the word 'banter'

You're my spirit animal
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 18, 2017, 02:19:42 PM
I'll be amazed if he ends up at Spurs, never thought he would be a Pochettino type player with the way he likes players to constantly close down with a high work rate etc
He got Dembele and Eriksson to do it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on July 18, 2017, 02:27:26 PM
I also despise the word 'banter'

banter
ˈbantə/
noun
1.
the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.
"there was much good-natured banter"
synonyms:   repartee, raillery, ripostes, sallies, swordplay, quips, wisecracks, crosstalk, wordplay;

To be honest I don't see an awful lot wrong with this but I guess it's down to how sensitive a person you are.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 18, 2017, 02:29:25 PM
banter
ˈbantə/
noun
1.
the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.
"there was much good-natured banter"
synonyms:   repartee, raillery, ripostes, sallies, swordplay, quips, wisecracks, crosstalk, wordplay;

To be honest I don't see an awful lot wrong with this but I guess it's down to how sensitive a person you are.

Its got nothing to do with sensitivity. Its a bullshit 21st century word used to get away with being a dickhead.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 18, 2017, 02:31:04 PM
Must be an NSNO record. Smashed out 10 pages of absolutely nothing but dribble in 24 hours. Some posters should hang their heads in shame.

Some quality posts in there too mind.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Cozzie on July 18, 2017, 02:43:22 PM
Very rarely come into this thread but I am guessing the last few pages have been about the hatred or love and use of a certain term?

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 18, 2017, 02:51:24 PM
banter
ˈbantə/
noun
1.
the playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.
"there was much good-natured banter"
synonyms:   repartee, raillery, ripostes, sallies, swordplay, quips, wisecracks, crosstalk, wordplay;

To be honest I don't see an awful lot wrong with this but I guess it's down to how sensitive a person you are.

In my daily environment it's a word that has been hijacked by dickhead kids who use it as a shield to excuse their bad behaviour. "Sorry sir, I hit him in the face but it's banter." "No, you little bastard. It's called assault and you do that in the real world you will go to prison where a giant man called precious will give you 'special cuddles' every night while you scream for your mother."
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on July 18, 2017, 02:55:09 PM
Take your point, well the first part at least (that bit about Precious sent a shiver down my spine) just don't experience those things in my life, guess Liz has a point too when you put it into that context.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 18, 2017, 02:55:53 PM
Yeah, the 'Bants' version of banter is markedly different tothe OED version of it @Escla (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5210)


Back on topic:

From the Echo:
Quote
Tottenham are reportedly cooling their interest in Everton midfielder Ross Barkley.

The England international was left behind from Everton’s trip to Tanzania last week with the club citing a groin injury.

The 23-year-old, with one year left on contract, has been reportedly been keen to resolve his future, however, he has so far failed to agree terms on a new deal at Everton as he looks for over £120,000 a week.

Everton, though, are determined not to allow the player to leave on the cheap having handed him a £50million price tag.

However, despite an expected push from Tottenham in the wake of their £54million Kyle Walker windfall, the Daily Mail are today suggesting Spurs are opting against pursuing Barkley at this stage.

Negotiating tactics?
Newspapers making literally anything up to fill column inches?
Who knows
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 18, 2017, 02:57:25 PM
Take your point, well the first part at least (that bit about Precious sent a shiver down my spine) just don't experience those things in my life, guess Liz has a point too when you put it into that context.

Hahahaha sorry to start your day like that buddy
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 18, 2017, 03:00:46 PM
In my daily environment it's a word that has been hijacked by dickhead kids who use it as a shield to excuse their bad behaviour. "Sorry sir, I hit him in the face but it's banter." "No, you little bastard. It's called assault and you do that in the real world you will go to prison where a giant man called precious will give you 'special cuddles' every night while you scream for your mother."
Pages on Facebook like the archbishop of banterbury should be locked down
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 18, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
People on Facebook like the archbishop of banterbury should be kicked in the testicles.

Fixed
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 18, 2017, 03:49:19 PM
Must be an NSNO record. Smashed out 10 pages of absolutely nothing but dribble in 24 hours. Some posters should hang their heads in shame.

Some quality posts in there too mind.
This kind of sums Barkley up perfectly. 

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 04:52:38 PM
Well, nearly everything.  Because if you introduce Marmite to the region, religious tensions may subside, but there instead will be those who love Marmite...
World War 3 won't be about energy, food, water or land. It will be the Marmite Wars. Kim is so angry at the world because no-one will sell him any.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
In my daily environment it's a word that has been hijacked by dickhead kids who use it as a shield to excuse their bad behaviour. "Sorry sir, I hit him in the face but it's banter." "No, you little bastard. It's called assault and you do that in the real world you will go to prison where a giant man called precious will give you 'special cuddles' every night while you scream for your mother."
The kids actually call you sir?

Sadly it's far from restricted to kids. It's common behaviour with far too many adults, whose definition seems to have lost "friendly" "playful" "teasing" and "exchange". They say whatever they want to whoever they want, and if challenged on being a cunt cry "banter".

I'm kind of surprised Trump hasn't used it yet.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 18, 2017, 05:03:43 PM
The kids actually call you sir?

Sadly it's far from restricted to kids. It's common behaviour with far too many adults, whose definition seems to have lost "friendly" "playful" "teasing" and "exchange". They say whatever they want to whoever they want, and if challenged on being a cunt cry "banter".

I'm kind of surprised Trump hasn't used it yet.

Wasnt it used to get away with his 'grab her by the pussy' remarks?

the phrase, 'locker room banter' was thrown around wasnt it?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 05:11:32 PM
Wasnt it used to get away with his 'grab her by the pussy' remarks?

the phrase, 'locker room banter' was thrown around wasnt it?
Indeed, forgot he used it then.

Another way the word is misused to cover bad behaviour. In this case jot abusing the recipient, but definitely retrospective use to justify previous unacceptable behaviour.

Word appropriation is a big problem in our society for some reason.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 18, 2017, 05:40:50 PM
The kids actually call you sir?

Sadly it's far from restricted to kids. It's common behaviour with far too many adults, whose definition seems to have lost "friendly" "playful" "teasing" and "exchange". They say whatever they want to whoever they want, and if challenged on being a cunt cry "banter".

I'm kind of surprised Trump hasn't used it yet.

Yeah, even the naughty ones. I have a 'presence', shall we say.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 18, 2017, 05:43:53 PM
We HAD to call our teachers Sir or Miss at school.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 18, 2017, 06:06:35 PM
We HAD to call our teachers Sir or Miss at school.

Same here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 18, 2017, 06:09:36 PM
I take it from the current subject matter in here that there is no new news about Ross then.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 18, 2017, 06:19:25 PM
I take it from the current subject matter in here that there is no new news about Ross then.

Nope, just as bored of this as the Sigurdsson transfer now.

Spinning wheels a bit of late.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 18, 2017, 06:20:01 PM
We HAD to call our teachers Sir or Miss at school.

They still do.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: School of Science on July 18, 2017, 08:00:47 PM
We HAD to call our teachers Sir or Miss at school.

Yes same here, in our senior school it was the strap on the hand, for misbehaviour, for bad misbehaviour it was the cane, like the strap in multiples of two, four and six.
When the teacher lost their rags totally, it was whatever was in their hand, chalk, boardduster etc. Them days though there was a lot more respect from kids..... probably through fear though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheTone on July 18, 2017, 08:05:22 PM
bit weird when you bump into a teacher years later and you say 'Well Sir', it's like you're still brainwashed from all those earlier school years
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Robbie Moubert on July 18, 2017, 08:10:51 PM
I was helping a friend teach a scuba course to some school kids (private school) and it felt weird when they called me "Sir". Mind you, I wish some shop workers would follow their example and stop calling me "mate"! Yes, I am now officially old!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 08:19:35 PM
bit weird when you bump into a teacher years later and you say 'Well Sir', it's like you're still brainwashed from all those earlier school years

20 years on I still struggle with the idea of being on first name terms with my old teachers. Even though I'm older now than they were at the time. It's amazing how deeply these things can be carved into our brains.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lincs Toffee on July 18, 2017, 08:39:10 PM
I've been called 'Sir' a few times but I'm not a teacher or anything .... :evil: ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 18, 2017, 08:58:30 PM
Yes same here, in our senior school it was the strap on

 :shock:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 18, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
World War 3 won't be about energy, food, water or land. It will be the Marmite Wars. Kim is so angry at the world because no-one will sell him any.
I thought he was angry because the world had threatened to drop marmite into his country?
Kim, banter, marmite -this is going to take quite a special post to link it back to Barklay
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 18, 2017, 09:17:18 PM
Still refer to people I don't know as 'sir', 'miss' or 'madam' due to years in the service trade. However, that's becoming a bit complicated with some think tanks saying you should not assume a person's gender/marital status etc. I seem to remember talk in France of doing away with the term Madamoiselle as a result.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
I thought he was angry because the world had threatened to drop marmite into his country?
Kim, banter, marmite -this is going to take quite a special post to link it back to Barklay
Need one of Comedy Dave's Tedious Links..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Still refer to people I don't know as 'sir', 'miss' or 'madam' due to years in the service trade. However, that's becoming a bit complicated with some think tanks saying you should not assume a person's gender/marital status etc. I seem to remember talk in France of doing away with the term Madamoiselle as a result.
A German friend a few years ago told me it's much the same with Fraulein, with Frau now being the norm, in Hamburg at least.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: plumber on July 18, 2017, 09:54:24 PM
Great thread.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 10:03:35 PM
A German friend a few years ago told me it's much the same with Fraulein, with Frau now being the norm, in Hamburg at least.

Fräulein, which by the way is grammatically neutral gender, not female as you'd naively expect. :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: hannu on July 18, 2017, 10:04:14 PM
lock thread, its descended into bollocks about man up and banter
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 18, 2017, 10:09:37 PM
lock thread, its descended into bollocks about man up and banter


Grow a pair.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: hannu on July 18, 2017, 10:13:03 PM

Grow a pair.

its wildly off topic there is about 5 pages or rubbish and now its moved on to the german language
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 10:21:47 PM
Fräulein, which by the way is grammatically neutral gender, not female as you'd naively expect. :)

Only have an English keyboard on my phone and couldn't be arsed to copy for the sake of punctuation lol

I've never really understood the need to apply gender for grammatical purposes, despite it's use in many languages. Always seemed an inefficient way to construct a language.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 10:22:57 PM
its wildly off topic there is about 5 pages or rubbish and now its moved on to the german language
But didn't Ross once stroke a German Sheppard ....would be enough to qualify him to play for certain national teams ....if it was say an Irish setter or a Scotty dog ......

(Kinda wildy nearly back near the proximity of the topic).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 10:26:23 PM
its wildly off topic there is about 5 pages or rubbish and now its moved on to the german language
It's about as useful as the same repeated discussion based on no facts?

I blame brap2 he started with the big word posts on manning up and it kinda snowballed due to everyone's boredom
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 10:31:40 PM
So back to made up bollocks in the press about the "topic"..

The Fail claiming he wants £120k a week. Imagining for a second this is true, money grabbing twat, or fair play?

Go!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 18, 2017, 10:34:26 PM
Imho if it turns out that's all he wanted ,more greed for no more talent than three years ago...get rid end of...if  his boyhood club means nowt but a cash cow to him .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 18, 2017, 10:43:22 PM
Only have an English keyboard on my phone and couldn't be arsed to copy for the sake of punctuation lol

I've never really understood the need to apply gender for grammatical purposes, despite it's use in many languages. Always seemed an inefficient way to construct a language.

Sorry, didn't mean to correct your spelling, just wanted to point out this oddity of the German language. :)

My all-time favourite is:

das Messer - the knife
die Gabel - the fork
der Löffel - the spoon

WTF is that about? :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: JordanianEmbassy on July 18, 2017, 10:46:37 PM
So back to made up bollocks in the press about the "topic"..

The Fail claiming he wants £120k a week. Imagining for a second this is true, money grabbing twat, or fair play?

Go!

Stay on topic please mate.

I hate being called Sir in a restaurant. Really weirds me out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 18, 2017, 11:20:23 PM
Stay on topic please mate.

I hate being called Sir in a restaurant. Really weirds me out.

You don't feel like Homer Simpson?  "Just once I want to be called 'Sir' without someone adding 'you're making a scene.'"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 18, 2017, 11:30:41 PM
Heir Koeman said today "man up Fraulein Barlkley und grow a pair"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 18, 2017, 11:34:06 PM
Sorry, didn't mean to correct your spelling, just wanted to point out this oddity of the German language. :)

My all-time favourite is:

das Messer - the knife
die Gabel - the fork
der Löffel - the spoon

WTF is that about? :)
Der see or das see?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 19, 2017, 12:06:23 AM
Der see or das see?

That's a corker too. :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 19, 2017, 02:49:25 AM
http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/barkley-terms-agreed.html

Not sure if this is bollocks...but £17m??
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: kewns23 on July 19, 2017, 02:56:05 AM
If it was anywhere near 17 million
I'd rather keep him and leave on a free

No less than 30milion maybe 25 with 5 as add ons would be fair price
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 19, 2017, 02:58:17 AM
17m will be shocking business
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 19, 2017, 02:59:36 AM
Its not £17m.  Thats just what that guy has suggestwd previously.  Even says discussions are between £20m-£25m.

I just want it done now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 19, 2017, 03:00:50 AM
£17m would be absolute robbery 😂

I would be seriously on the negative if that happens, losing our fucking diamond for a paltry amount to those cunts.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Trowel on July 19, 2017, 03:06:58 AM
£17m can't be right.

I had to Google the lad Newcastle are spending £12m on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 19, 2017, 03:07:51 AM
Delusional fucks they are, think they are a bigger club than us, first class weapons.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: American Evertonian on July 19, 2017, 03:10:29 AM
If it was anywhere near 17 million
I'd rather keep him and leave on a free

No less than 30milion maybe 25 with 5 as add ons would be fair price

I agree. 25+5 is probably a fair deal for all
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 19, 2017, 03:12:42 AM
Disappointing if he goes for McCarthy prices.  But Koeman kind of sunk his market value with his negotiating tactics.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 19, 2017, 03:19:30 AM
Wish he'd just stay.

I'm not willing to accept he's going until he's stinking out Wembley Stadium.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 19, 2017, 03:20:25 AM
"It's not our money" argument coming in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 19, 2017, 03:22:50 AM
What a fuck up..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 19, 2017, 03:30:34 AM
Ross you fucking rancid cunt. You're either a crybaby cunt, a greedy cunt or a plain old cunt.

...or you know Moshiri is a fraud and you're bailing before we implode due to financial ruin lol.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gash on July 19, 2017, 03:31:23 AM
Love a good fume over some random blog that everyone suddenly reads as gospel truth.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 19, 2017, 03:42:37 AM
I reckon he'll have more chance of playing at Wembley for us next season than Spurs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: American Evertonian on July 19, 2017, 04:27:21 AM
Disappointing if he goes for McCarthy prices.  But Koeman kind of sunk his market value with his negotiating tactics.

We don't know that someone has offered us that for McCarthy. I think if we get an offer of £20m for him we will snap their hand off
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 19, 2017, 04:28:28 AM
This transfer...

(https://i.imgur.com/ZMMg8cL.gif)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 19, 2017, 04:41:32 AM
Love a good fume over some random blog that everyone suddenly reads as gospel truth.

No point in discussing it, or most other things then if we're only dealing in definites all of a sudden 😁
 
"Alas, poor NSNO! I knew him, Horatio"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 19, 2017, 04:44:08 AM
Ross you fucking rancid cunt. You're either a crybaby cunt, a greedy cunt or a plain old cunt.

...or you know Moshiri is a fraud and you're bailing before we implode due to financial ruin lol.

Well, if that doesn't convince him to stay, nothing will. :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 19, 2017, 04:44:30 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/evertons-ross-barkley-demanding-bigger-10825064
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 19, 2017, 04:44:41 AM
Delusional fucks they are, think they are a bigger club than us, first class weapons.
They're not delusional. As things stand they're on another level to us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 19, 2017, 04:45:04 AM
Is Ross worth less than this?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40648924
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 19, 2017, 04:49:00 AM
I'd rather shoot him and do 10 than sell him to those cunts for 17m... I think it'll be 27m and 50p add ons for every game he's benched, taking the fee to about 28m.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 19, 2017, 04:56:40 AM
They're not delusional. As things stand they're on another level to us.
But hardly an unattainable one. With continued investment we can catch them within 2 seasons. It's still only Spurs, not like Real or Barca have come calling.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:07:50 AM
No point in discussing it, or most other things then if we're only dealing in definites all of a sudden
 
"Alas, poor NSNO! I knew him, Horatio"
There's discussing, then there's fuming.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 19, 2017, 05:15:11 AM
There's discussing, then there's fuming.

FUCCCKKKK OFFFF, YOU CANNNNTTTT 😫
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:16:24 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/evertons-ross-barkley-demanding-bigger-10825064
It's like an online game of poker with pretend money. No-one has anything in their hands but everyone keeps raising

I expect by tomorrow Spurs will be offering £5m, Barkley will be demanding £500k and Ferrero SpA (makers of Nutella) will have commenced legal proceedings against Koeman and the club for ruining their business.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:18:18 AM
FUCCCKKKK OFFFF, YOU CANNNNTTTT
Guess it's back to banter then
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 19, 2017, 05:24:23 AM
Guess it's back to banter then

You watch yourself, Archbishop 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 19, 2017, 05:26:53 AM
Guess it's back to banter then
Careful throwing the B word about ....there are some delicate souls  on here that find it offensive in any context .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 19, 2017, 05:28:56 AM
Careful throwing the B word about ....there are some delicate souls  on here that find it offensive in any context .

Or just think it's been hijacked by utter cunts 😁
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 19, 2017, 05:33:41 AM
Or just think it's been hijacked by utter cunts 😁
Thank you for proving my point 😉
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 19, 2017, 05:35:38 AM
They're not delusional. As things stand they're on another level to us.

They have managed to bring in players and gel very quickly. Agreed that they have performed over the last five seasons but the bigger picture is that in terms overall success we are still ahead of them. 4th most successful club. I'd say we're of a similar stature to them.
It would not surprise me if we finish above then next season, considering they will be playing home fixtures at Wembley.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:37:50 AM
Thank you for proving my point
Stop being a bitch and man up!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:39:23 AM
Or just think it's been hijacked by utter cunts
Sorry Sir, the other kids dared me to do it Sir, please don't tell me ma!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:43:43 AM
It would not surprise me if we finish above then next season, considering they will be playing home fixtures at Wembley.
This. With Arsenal's spell broken, and the shite floundering in the market, fourth is possible.

Not likely, not expected, but possible. Couple more of the right players would be a big help.

Be nice for Ross to be a part of it. Whether he will be or not is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ari on July 19, 2017, 05:54:50 AM
Is he demanding to be Spurs's highest earner? 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2017, 05:57:24 AM
Is he demanding to be Spurs's highest earner?
Who the hell knows?

If he is, he's a cheeky chappy.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ari on July 19, 2017, 05:59:29 AM
Who the hell knows?

If he is, he's a cheeky chappy.

I saw it on twitter but still just a rumour, though I should ask you lot.  We have one Ross here... :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 19, 2017, 06:02:49 AM
Is Ross worth less than this?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40648924

12 months into a 4 year contract.

We've totally shot ourselves in the foot in terms of a fee between letting the contract get to this point and Koeman's media comments.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 19, 2017, 06:03:43 AM
Is he demanding to be Spurs's highest earner? 

Wouldn't be too hard, Spurs pay wages like they're the ones finishing 7th.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on July 19, 2017, 06:07:44 AM
150k though.

 :Niasse:
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 19, 2017, 06:12:32 AM
Bet they try and lump us with Sissoko
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Fynci on July 19, 2017, 06:24:49 AM
If Spurs don't get closer to our evaluation then he doesn't go. He will be spending the season as an unused sub I think.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 19, 2017, 06:27:36 AM
Thank you for proving my point 😉

I'm not a sensitive soul sweet cheeks. Far from it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Brownie on July 19, 2017, 06:29:27 AM
Sorry Sir, the other kids dared me to do it Sir, please don't tell me ma!

If they told you to jump off a cliff would you? No? Shame as the intelligence level of the class would improve dramatically (is not something I'm allowed to use as a response)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 19, 2017, 10:44:12 AM
They're not delusional. As things stand they're on another level to us.

There is a difference between a bigger club and a set of players who are a better team at present ,we are a bigger club based on our past but they had  a better set of players last season and the one before .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 19, 2017, 01:41:52 PM
There is a difference between a bigger club and a set of players who are a better team at present ,we are a bigger club based on our past but they had  a better set of players last season and the one before .

Leeds are arguably a bigger club than Spurs based on the past. Notts Forest maybe too. However we don't live in the distant past. Or rather we shouldn't.

A few decent years back in the 80's doesn't make us a big club now in the eyes of players who weren't even born then.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 19, 2017, 01:53:42 PM
Leeds are arguably a bigger club than Spurs based on the past. Notts Forest maybe too. However we don't live in the distant past. Or rather we shouldn't.

A few decent years back in the 80's doesn't make us a big club now in the eyes of players who weren't even born then.

Sad, but true. When the RS brought Dogleash back in the hope of reviving their history, few of any of the players bar Gerrard and Carragher would know who he was never mind understand him. When we leave out spiritual home part of my life, a big part will die because it will be consigned to 'history'.
I'll tell my grandchildren there used to be a stadium there, now a housing estate/ megastore. Life eh?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 19, 2017, 01:56:49 PM
If the mirror story has any accuracy then he's lost the plot. Spurs won't pay him over 100 because he's not that in demand. Good luck Ross, I think you'll need it lad. Ring Rodwell before its too late.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 19, 2017, 02:11:21 PM
Disappointing if he goes for McCarthy prices.  But Koeman kind of sunk his market value with his negotiating tactics.

I'm pretty sure Barkley is the one who hasn't signed the contract and is therefore the one sinking his value
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 19, 2017, 02:46:39 PM
Can't help thinking the lad has been badly advised throughout all this. I know it's rumoured he's not very bright but he pays intelligent people good money to give him the career advice that he'll be acting upon. Mind you the club haven't been much better.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 19, 2017, 02:55:39 PM
Can't help thinking the lad has been badly advised throughout all this. I know it's rumoured he's not very bright but he pays intelligent people good money to give him the career advice that he'll be acting upon. Mind you the club haven't been much better.
I was going to" like " until you mentioned the club ,the first part I 100% agree with but what have the club done wrong ? They gave him a deadline -which he seems to have ignored -and now they are just waiting to see what happens ,they haven't gone public anout him it is all his own doing .Now the situation with Spurs -if of course it is true -is just a joke ,he must be living in cloud cuckoo land .He has regressed over the last couple of seasons been lambasted by the manager and now wants more money than the leagues top scorer ,give me a bit of what he is drinking ,may be the lad who smacked him did more harm than we realise!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 19, 2017, 02:58:33 PM
Leeds are arguably a bigger club than Spurs based on the past. Notts Forest maybe too. However we don't live in the distant past. Or rather we shouldn't.

A few decent years back in the 80's doesn't make us a big club now in the eyes of players who weren't even born then.
You are avoiding the facts ,facts and figures make the history and the present team is simply that .Perhaps the phrase should be  "more successful" rather than bigger because bigger could also mean stature of the players and not the club.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 19, 2017, 03:06:02 PM
You are avoiding the facts ,facts and figures make the history and the present team is simply that .Perhaps the phrase should be  "more successful" rather than bigger because bigger could also mean stature of the players and not the club.

There is valid arguments that Spurs are a more successful club than us. Than us & Villa.
There are arguments that Villa are a more successful/bigger club than us & Spurs.
There are arguments that we are a more successful /bigger club than Spurs & Villa.

It depends whether you think League, European or total trophy count is important.
Being us, we obviously think league triumphs are the most important and struggle to see why anybody else wouldn't.
But there are people out there (100% of Spurs fans i would suggest) that think total trophys are more important than one individual type of trophy.

Villa are only 2 leagues behind us, so in our table are below us. But their 5 league cup wins, 2 extra FA cup wins and European cup as opposed to CWC means they could argue (convincingly) that they are bigger/more successful.

It all depends on what you think is important.
That's why Newcastle will tell you having massive crowds every week is so important.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 19, 2017, 03:28:01 PM
I was going to" like " until you mentioned the club ,the first part I 100% agree with but what have the club done wrong ? They gave him a deadline -which he seems to have ignored -and now they are just waiting to see what happens ,they haven't gone public anout him it is all his own doing .Now the situation with Spurs -if of course it is true -is just a joke ,he must be living in cloud cuckoo land .He has regressed over the last couple of seasons been lambasted by the manager and now wants more money than the leagues top scorer ,give me a bit of what he is drinking ,may be the lad who smacked him did more harm than we realise!

I class Koeman as being a representative of the club and I think he could have held his counsel in press conferences with a bit more professionalism.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2017, 03:52:13 PM
Same shit different day, that's what this whole saga has turned into
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 19, 2017, 04:21:04 PM
I class Koeman as being a representative of the club and I think he could have held his counsel in press conferences with a bit more professionalism.
I am surprised you class Koeman as a representative of the club ! No idea where that came from! I don't feel the same about the press conferences ,I would put that down to the press asking questions from a straight talking guy and perhaps tripping him up .You either like his outspokenness or you don't ,I do .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: ally2 on July 19, 2017, 04:27:56 PM
I class Koeman as being a representative of the club and I think he could have held his counsel in press conferences with a bit more professionalism.

I must have forgotten what Koeman did or said that was so bad. (really I must have forgotten).

The way I remember things was that Ross was going through indifferent form. He was kept in the team but then eventually he was subbed. Nothing wrong with that. Then Koeman got asked in the press conference about it.  I don't remember Koeman specifically launching into Ross. He was asked about him though. Now if you are the manager and you took him off then there's very little manoeuvring at that point. He's not going to say " yeah Ross was playing great so we took him off". Similarly he was asked about the contract. What is Koeman meant to say?  I think he did actually say that the club wanted to keep him and that was why they had offered a contract. I do accept that I may have forgotten other things though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2017, 04:46:21 PM
The thing is the massive fraud that was Martinez kept telling anyone who would listen the Barkley was the greatest young talent in the universe, swelled Barkleys head so much that it ruined his game, Koeman comes along and basically told him he's not as good as he thinks, told him his form needs to improve or he will be dropped, it didn't so he was dropped, which did work, his form improved because he knew he was no longer a guarateed starter.

Koeman seems to be an honest man, he's not going to big up a player to the press when they keep asking about it, he tells it how it is, sometimes he says a bit to much which obviously has't gone down well with Barkley. Take the contract for example, its been on the table for months now, so you understand Koeman's frustration as to why it wasn't signed, he did the right thing in saying if he does't sign he will be sold, like any player should be.

Its dragged on far to much now, there is no way he will sign the deal so as soon as we get a decent enough bid for him then he's off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on July 19, 2017, 05:02:33 PM
FFS......the sooner he goes......
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 19, 2017, 05:21:17 PM
FFS......the sooner he goes......
Regrettably I have to agree with you. However, I'm not convinced he has that many options so it might not come down to what he wants.
On the other hand his financial value is immense and rich backer or not I can't see the club just chucking away £30-50m for the sake of 12months.
No player is bigger than a club whatever the rights and wrongs and Ross could be currently looking up from the bottom of a very big hole.

*** Arsehole jokes welcomed from hereon
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: pjk on July 19, 2017, 05:23:06 PM
The thing is the massive fraud that was Martinez kept telling anyone who would listen the Barkley was the greatest young talent in the universe, swelled Barkleys head so much that it ruined his game, Koeman comes along and basically told him he's not as good as he thinks, told him his form needs to improve or he will be dropped, it didn't so he was dropped, which did work, his form improved because he knew he was no longer a guarateed starter.

Koeman seems to be an honest man, he's not going to big up a player to the press when they keep asking about it, he tells it how it is, sometimes he says a bit to much which obviously has't gone down well with Barkley. Take the contract for example, its been on the table for months now, so you understand Koeman's frustration as to why it wasn't signed, he did the right thing in saying if he does't sign he will be sold, like any player should be.

Its dragged on far to much now, there is no way he will sign the deal so as soon as we get a decent enough bid for him then he's off.




The problem being in a postion of leadership and being honest at the same time,  means in certain instances, you have to be open and honest. Where Barkley and his contract are concerned; saying how it is, after Koeman continually getting harangued for information, becomes the only option. There is a contract on the table.

The contract is deemed fair under Barkleys individual circumstances and he's not been prepared to sign it. I don't think Koeman has said too much, he's said what is necessary to stop the media feeding frenzy for information. Koeman's got a team to run. Barkley's one small part of the whole, not the be all and end all. :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:31:11 PM
I am surprised you class Koeman as a representative of the club ! No idea where that came from! I don't feel the same about the press conferences ,I would put that down to the press asking questions from a straight talking guy and perhaps tripping him up .You either like his outspokenness or you don't ,I do .
Whether you like or dislike his approach, whether you think he could or should have done things differently, to suggest that the guy in Everton clothing sat in front of Everton logos at the desk in an Everton premises answering questions about Everton is not representing the club?

That's pretty strange to say the least!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:35:43 PM
I must have forgotten what Koeman did or said that was so bad. (really I must have forgotten).

The way I remember things was that Ross was going through indifferent form. He was kept in the team but then eventually he was subbed. Nothing wrong with that. Then Koeman got asked in the press conference about it.  I don't remember Koeman specifically launching into Ross. He was asked about him though. Now if you are the manager and you took him off then there's very little manoeuvring at that point. He's not going to say " yeah Ross was playing great so we took him off". Similarly he was asked about the contract. What is Koeman meant to say?  I think he did actually say that the club wanted to keep him and that was why they had offered a contract. I do accept that I may have forgotten other things though.
It all comes back to one thing he said, sign or be sold. The rights and wrongs of saying it are open to debate, but unless Moshiri or Bill gave him explicit instructions to answer Barkley contract questions like that (possible but I think unlikely), he didn't have to say that. If that was his or the clubs position he could have told Ross that privately, and he apparently chose not to do that, thereby turning it into a public standoff.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Waltzer on July 19, 2017, 05:44:26 PM
It all comes back to one thing he said, sign or be sold. The rights and wrongs of saying it are open to debate, but unless Moshiri or Bill gave him explicit instructions to answer Barkley contract questions like that (possible but I think unlikely), he didn't have to say that. If that was his or the clubs position he could have told Ross that privately, and he apparently chose not to do that, thereby turning it into a public standoff.

I dont think Koeman cares, rightly or wrongly he probably thinks hes been there and done it and he isnt going to waste his time with some young English lad that has done nothing in the game and who quite frankly isnt fit to lace his boots. Fair play to Koeman I say. The more this drags on the more I just want Barkley gone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 19, 2017, 05:45:43 PM
It all comes back to one thing he said, sign or be sold. The rights and wrongs of saying it are open to debate, but unless Moshiri or Bill gave him explicit instructions to answer Barkley contract questions like that (possible but I think unlikely), he didn't have to say that. If that was his or the clubs position he could have told Ross that privately, and he apparently chose not to do that, thereby turning it into a public standoff.
Ross could've easily released a statement of intent to counter Koemans. ...but his silence speaks volumes to many ...it would seem only greed drives the lad if we are to believe what we are getting through (he wants to be the top earner here or spurs) . ..and only a statement from him or his imho 'bad management ' team would change these rumours ....but nope nothing forthcoming so we are free to wonder...so he's his own worst enemy and RK only put the clubs interests first.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 05:46:32 PM
It all comes back to one thing he said, sign or be sold. The rights and wrongs of saying it are open to debate, but unless Moshiri or Bill gave him explicit instructions to answer Barkley contract questions like that (possible but I think unlikely), he didn't have to say that. If that was his or the clubs position he could have told Ross that privately, and he apparently chose not to do that, thereby turning it into a public standoff.

Do you mean keep it privately between themselves?

I'd find it hard to believe that we didn't make that clear as well as the public pronouncements.

And I doubt that Koeman would have repeated the "sign or be sold line" if it wasn't the hierarchy's position too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:47:07 PM
So the Echo are now reporting that the £150k demand is bogus. Rest of the press rereporting the Mirror's wild speculation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 05:47:53 PM
Also...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-ross-barkley-tottenham-transfer-13353109

Anyone else find it odd that the echo run this story on the lines of him not wanting too much money from Spurs, as opposed to what's going on with us?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2017, 05:54:03 PM
So the Echo are now reporting that the £150k demand is bogus. Rest of the press rereporting the Mirror's wild speculation.

Of course its bollocks, like most of the shite they print
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2017, 05:54:36 PM
Also...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-ross-barkley-tottenham-transfer-13353109

Anyone else find it odd that the echo run this story on the lines of him not wanting too much money from Spurs, as opposed to what's going on with us?

Yep, makes no sense, does it? He refuses 120k a week from us, the club he supports, yet would be happy to accept less at Spurs?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 05:57:01 PM
Do you mean keep it privately between themselves?

I'd find it hard to believe that we didn't make that clear as well as the public pronouncements.

And I doubt that Koeman would have repeated the "sign or be sold line" if it wasn't the hierarchy's position too.

But telling the press that turns it from necessary discussion between club and player, to open public conflict between club and player (as it appears)

Since he didn't have to say it to the press, he arguably created the media storm that had continued since. And the endless speculation here amongst other places.

As I said, the rights and wrongs are debatable, but Koeman's apparent choice does seem to leave him open to question or how he handles things, despite some posters saying the club cannot be held responsible and it's all down to Ross.

That's not to suggest Ross is innocent, it isn't a black and white world. But I was responding to a post which seemed to have forgotten the key statement that started this rumour mill.
 
Many seem to be responding based on their internal assumptions because Ross hasn't said or done things, and are quick to take crazy paper claims as at least quite possible. £150k? Some think he's not bright, but completely delusional? I doubt it very much.

Of course the papers could be trying to cover their own lies by concocting reasons it's the players fault it hasn't gone through..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Waltzer on July 19, 2017, 05:58:25 PM
Yep, makes no sense, does it? He refuses 120k a week from us, the club he supports, yet would be happy to accept less at Spurs?

Why not? If it was all about money everyone would be off to China, some players want to win trophy's and have that to look at at the end of their careers and its hard to argue that Spurs have a much better chance than us of winning anything at the moment
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 05:59:08 PM
But telling the press that turns it from necessary discussion between club and player, to open public conflict between club and player (as it appears)

Since he didn't have to say it to the press, he arguably created the media storm that had continued since. And the endless speculation here amongst other places.

As I said, the rights and wrongs are debatable, but Koeman's apparent choice does seem to leave him open to question or how he handles things, despite some posters saying the club cannot be held responsible and it's all down to Ross.

That's not to suggest Ross is innocent, it isn't a black and white world. But I was responding to a post which seemed to have forgotten the key statement that started this rumour mill.
 
Many seem to be responding based on their internal assumptions because Ross hasn't said or done things, and are quick to take crazy paper claims as at least quite possible. £150k? Some think he's not bright, but completely delusional? I doubt it very much.

Of course the papers could be trying to cover their own lies by concocting reasons it's the players fault it hasn't gone through..

I think there'd be plenty of speculation if nothing had been said as it's odd that a player is entering in the last year of his deal (at this age) - see Ox at Arsenal etc.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Bluedylan on July 19, 2017, 06:00:09 PM
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/mauricio-pochettino-attracting-ross-barkley-to-tottenham-but-he-will-not-join-their-top-earners-a3591246.html
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 06:01:40 PM
Also...

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-ross-barkley-tottenham-transfer-13353109

Anyone else find it odd that the echo run this story on the lines of him not wanting too much money from Spurs, as opposed to what's going on with us?
Not really, they have an interest in spinning the other way due to their local readers. The rest are playing to neutrals as much as us.

Funny how some think the Echo must be bollocks, but the Mail and the Mirror are iron clad truth sayers though isn't it? Many people have picked a "side" based on no real facts, and may well be going with their cognitive bias instead.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 06:03:05 PM
Why not? If it was all about money everyone would be off to China, some players want to win trophy's and have that to look at at the end of their careers and its hard to argue that Spurs have a much better chance than us of winning anything at the moment

For me the article (as a local paper) was written as if we were trying to sign him and they were explaining away the delay due to the clubs haggling over the fee rather that through player demands.

I, as an evertonian and you'd assume target readership of the echo, am not bothered if he's asking for £150k from Spurs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 06:03:48 PM
Yep, makes no sense, does it? He refuses 120k a week from us, the club he supports, yet would be happy to accept less at Spurs?
Where does it say he refused £120k with us? That's a bump on the £100k a week previously reported as being the offer?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 06:04:54 PM
Not really, they have an interest in spinning the other way due to their local readers. The rest are playing to neutrals as much as us.

Funny how some think the Echo must be bollocks, but the Mail and the Mirror are iron clad truth sayers though isn't it? Many people have picked a "side" based on no real facts, and may well be going with their cognitive bias instead.

They're writing it as though to reassure Spurs fans that he's not being unreasonable in his demands.

At least that's how it comes across to me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 06:09:11 PM
I think there'd be plenty of speculation if nothing had been said as it's odd that a player is entering in the last year of his deal (at this age) - see Ox at Arsenal etc.
I completely agree. But as the statement by Koeman is acting as a polariser between the two main opinions on here (Koeman was right Ross is a money grabber / Why are they being mean to our Ross) it's arguable that he has created the current mood.

As I said earlier, I suspect it's as much to do with the lack of other topics to argue over in a fanbase used to feeling negative.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Where does it say he refused £120k with us? That's a bump on the £100k a week previously reported as being the offer?

I've read several figures ranging up to 140k a week. I used 120k as a conservative figure.

Just wish someone would buy him now. But I guess he's not worth big money.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 06:12:57 PM
They're writing it as though to reassure Spurs fans that he's not being unreasonable in his demands.

At least that's how it comes across to me.
Interesting, I read it more as trying to placate our fan base that Ross isn't the delusional cunt the nationals are claiming. Plus many outraged or shocked Evertonians will read that Echo article, and driving clicks is their main objective.

I love that their anti ad block scripts are very poorly designed while they beg me to look at their ads. Don't even need to use NoScript
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2017, 06:17:35 PM
Interesting, I read it more as trying to placate our fan base that Ross isn't the delusional cunt the nationals are claiming. Plus many outraged or shocked Evertonians will read that Echo article, and driving clicks is their main objective.

I love that their anti ad block scripts are very poorly designed while they beg me to look at their ads. Don't even need to use NoScript

Their website always crashes my browser. It's not too bad on mobile, but forget desktop. Crappy site.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on July 19, 2017, 06:17:59 PM
I've read several figures ranging up to 140k a week. I used 120k as a conservative figure.

Just wish someone would buy him now. But I guess he's not worth big money.
The only figure I have ever read is £100k.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 06:18:41 PM
Interesting, I read it more as trying to placate our fan base that Ross isn't the delusional cunt the nationals are claiming. Plus many outraged or shocked Evertonians will read that Echo article, and driving clicks is their main objective.



It's just that there's no reference to him staying, which assuming that they've been briefed by his camp other than just making this up(...), would seem to confirm that he's off.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 06:25:44 PM
Their website always crashes my browser. It's not too bad on mobile, but forget desktop. Crappy site.
My desktop browser has several extensions that stop their shit weighing it down. My mobile ad blocking is limited to Safari and Adblock, and on some sites anti adblock scripts prevent access, but theirs loads the page first then overlays, usually a 'complete this survey to view article' banner. But simply stopping the page before it completes loading evades the banner. Websites by amateurs
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2017, 06:30:43 PM
The only figure I have ever read is £100k.

Just shows really how little anyone really knows about the situation, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 06:35:11 PM
It's just that there's no reference to him staying, which assuming that they've been briefed by his camp other than just making this up(...), would seem to confirm that he's off.
It's an open implication though, and nothing they state it the article actual says it one way or the other? Could be read as:

National headlines are incorrect.

We have been told he hasn't asked for 150k.

He is actually injured and that's why he hasn't gone.

Spurs want him but it's not close to being a done deal.

Spurs have been told they will pay at least £30m.


So, while your interpretation is possible, they don't say he won't stay, or is likely to go, or even that it's Everton would have said to Spurs it's £30m+. The line about his injury could be covering the bases as it could imply he would be in Holland if he wasn't injured.

It looks to me like it's been written to play to each readers confirmation bias, and has a lack of any evidence either way. No-one reading that will change "sides" in this debate.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 06:37:17 PM
It's an open implication though, and nothing they state it the article actual says it one way or the other? Could be read as:

National headlines are incorrect.

We have been told he hasn't asked for 150k.

He is actually injured and that's why he hasn't gone.

Spurs want him but it's not close to being a done deal.

Spurs have been told they will pay at least £30m.


So, while your interpretation is possible, they don't say he won't stay, or is likely to go, or even that it's Everton would have said to Spurs it's £30m+. The line about his injury could be covering the bases as it could imply he would be in Holland if he wasn't injured.

It looks to me like it's been written to play to each readers confirmation bias, and has a lack of any evidence either way. No-one reading that will change "sides" in this debate.

Which is all possibly true.

If they haven't been tipped off though it's just a pointless article.

Which of course can't be ruled out :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 19, 2017, 06:41:01 PM
The most telling thing in that article is the Echo changing the valuation we've placed on Barkley.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 06:41:34 PM
Just shows really how little anyone really knows about the situation, doesn't it?
That's it.

No info, so most people either guess what's happening based on their instincts, and go with hope, or fear. Or refuse to play, but express frustration like "ffs don't care just want it sorted" which seem weird, "ffs" suggests there is emotional attachment to the outcome, but wise to recognise there is nothing new to be had from the debate as the only 'new' info is speculation from media sources who are trying to use us all for advert views and revenue.

Which is why I love adblock and try not to share their links!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 19, 2017, 06:44:28 PM
Still not sure what you expect the club to do when a player won't sign a contract?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 06:45:20 PM
Which is all possibly true.

If they haven't been tipped off though it's just a pointless article.

Which of course can't be ruled out :)
I suspect the middle sentence is the case. Although it's only pointless from our viewpoint, it's probably achieved what they wanted, it's currently the first listing on google news under Ross when searching "everton".

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 19, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
That's it.

No info, so most people either guess what's happening based on their instincts, and go with hope, or fear. Or refuse to play, but express frustration like "ffs don't care just want it sorted" which seem weird, "ffs" suggests there is emotional attachment to the outcome, but wise to recognise there is nothing new to be had from the debate as the only 'new' info is speculation from media sources who are trying to use us all for advert views and revenue.

Which is why I love adblock and try not to share their links!
I honestly believe bluenoses do have an emotional attachment as Ross despite all his faults is one of ours and we would all ideally love him to sign and hit the heights with us ...... but from all the silence from him and his team ,RK's press releases and the papers and their bullshit ...were all hust sick to the back teeth and want it done....but the love for him will soon die should he jump ship for nothing more than money .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: pjk on July 19, 2017, 06:48:11 PM
This is the Representative of Ross Barkley. Same agency who represented Lescott, Rodwell and Stones. Looks to me like he's not got the best agency on his side, where it comes to involvement in ex players who have moved on.


Paul Martin at @Wasserman
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
Still not sure what you expect the club to do when a player won't sign a contract?
If that's directed at me then I don't have expectations. I'm an emotionally invested observer who lives in hope and tries to see all possible interpretations of each situation, knowing that true understanding of what goes on is forever out of my reach.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 19, 2017, 06:51:33 PM
This is the Representative of Ross Barkley. Same agency who represented Lescott, Rodwell and Stones. Looks to me like he's not got the best agency on his side, where it comes to involvement in ex players who have moved on.


Paul Martin at @Wasserman
Also the agency that loves taking players from everton to sit on benches up n down the country ....

Whoa is me 😅😅
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2017, 06:57:40 PM
That's it.

No info, so most people either guess what's happening based on their instincts, and go with hope, or fear. Or refuse to play, but express frustration like "ffs don't care just want it sorted" which seem weird, "ffs" suggests there is emotional attachment to the outcome, but wise to recognise there is nothing new to be had from the debate as the only 'new' info is speculation from media sources who are trying to use us all for advert views and revenue.

Which is why I love adblock and try not to share their links!

I think the most frustrating aspect (for me anyway) is that he is a blue. He may have been treated badly, or he may not have the mental strength to handle criticism, or he may not be able to be the player he promised to be, I don't know.

He seems to want out. If we've offered him 100k a week and it isn't good enough, why would it be good enough at Spurs? To me, and this is speculation of course, he supports us, we're at our potential best for many seasons and have a good chance of success. If he loves Everton, why wouldn't he want to be a part of that? Unless Koeman has put him down so much he will only be a peripheral figure. Thing is, he'd be playing a similar role at Spurs too. And of course the fee, because he's in the final year, his beloved Everton will not get so much money. Surely that would be a consideration for him? Or maybe not. Idk.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 19, 2017, 07:02:00 PM
Not sure why people are suggesting koemans sign or be sold line was remotely controversial. He has 1 year left on his contract. There's only 3 options anyway. Sign sold or sold off on a free in a year. It's not like we played hardball with him. Pretty standard practice not wanting a player to leave for nowt
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2017, 07:06:08 PM
Not sure why people are suggesting koemans sign or be sold line was remotely controversial. He has 1 year left on his contract. There's only 3 options anyway. Sign sold or sold off on a free in a year. It's not like we played hardball with him. Pretty standard practice not wanting a player to leave for nowt

I think Koeman handled that part fine to be honest. I don't have a problem with that at all.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 07:11:45 PM
Not sure why people are suggesting koemans sign or be sold line was remotely controversial. He has 1 year left on his contract. There's only 3 options anyway. Sign sold or sold off on a free in a year. It's not like we played hardball with him. Pretty standard practice not wanting a player to leave for nowt
The line itself wasn't controversial. A manager who clearly has no issue ignoring questions he doesn't want to answer choosing to say that is potentially controversial, and has stirred up all this debate. Using the media to force an employee to sign a contract is not very nice, regardless of the business interest. Did he say this privately, and Ross just laugh and say you're full of shit boss? Why did he choose to say it to the press?

The answer is speculation and each person will read it as they wish, and conclude either player or manager was correct, and then most will use confirmation bias to support their rationalisation, which is based on nothing but rumour.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 19, 2017, 07:18:47 PM
https://twitter.com/dominicking_dm/status/887639181287190529


Are City or Chelsea short of "home grown" players?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 19, 2017, 07:36:47 PM
Whether you like or dislike his approach, whether you think he could or should have done things differently, to suggest that the guy in Everton clothing sat in front of Everton logos at the desk in an Everton premises answering questions about Everton is not representing the club?

That's pretty strange to say the least!
It was sarcasm ,HELLO.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 19, 2017, 07:37:18 PM
I'd have thought Chelsea would be the only other team possibly interested as they seem to be selling off all their home grown players and only have a small first team squad now. They only really have Pedro, Willian, Hazard and Fabregas in that position now and they play 3 out of the 4 every week.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 19, 2017, 07:38:12 PM
It all comes back to one thing he said, sign or be sold. The rights and wrongs of saying it are open to debate, but unless Moshiri or Bill gave him explicit instructions to answer Barkley contract questions like that (possible but I think unlikely), he didn't have to say that. If that was his or the clubs position he could have told Ross that privately, and he apparently chose not to do that, thereby turning it into a public standoff.
I think he said sign or be sold -this is a business .Which is different .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
It was sarcasm ,HELLO.
It didn't read that way.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 07:44:14 PM
I think he said sign or be sold -this is a business .Which is different .
Since my (repeated) point has been over whether he should have spoken to the media, and not the content or meaning of his words, what exactly is 'different'?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 19, 2017, 07:45:01 PM
It didn't read that way.

Yeah, I always find that a well-placed emoji does the job for emphasis.


🍆🍫🐜🐧🎷🎯🎲🖲
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 07:45:46 PM
I'd have thought Chelsea would be the only other team possibly interested as they seem to be selling off all their home grown players and only have a small first team squad now. They only really have Pedro, Willian, Hazard and Fabregas in that position now and they play 3 out of the 4 every week.
Wonder if bent noses over the Lukaku affair could be causing the lack of progress? Spurs left for their tour so that's one often reported deadline gone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 07:47:33 PM
Yeah, I always find that a well-placed emoji does the job for emphasis.



I refuse to hear, see or respond to what you have to say
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 19, 2017, 07:49:39 PM
It didn't read that way.
It must have been conformation bias!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 19, 2017, 07:50:54 PM
Wonder if bent noses over the Lukaku affair could be causing the lack of progress? Spurs left for their tour so that's one often reported deadline gone.

Looking at their squad at the minute it's pretty thin on the ground, especially leaving Costa and Matic behind on their pre season tour as well. They need to do some serious recruitment to cover four competitions this season. I didn't realise how lacking in depth it is.

We've also historically got a good relationship with them and to be fair we didn't screw them over on Lukaku, Utd offered a better deal and he chose them.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 07:51:28 PM
https://twitter.com/dominicking_dm/status/887639181287190529


Are City or Chelsea short of "home grown" players?

Agent deffo been on the case this morning it seems.

They've got this one wrong as his performances in the last quarter of the season haven't generated the bargaining position they probably hoped for.

All very unseemly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 07:51:57 PM
Looking at their squad at the minute it's pretty thin on the ground, especially leaving Costa and Matic behind on their pre season tour as well. They need to do some serious recruitment to cover four competitions this season. I didn't realise how lacking in depth it is.

We've also historically got a good relationship with them and to be fair we didn't screw them over on Lukaku, Utd offered a better deal and he chose them.

The line seems to be that the good relationship disappeared with the Stones incident.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 07:54:56 PM
It must have been conformation bias!
Lol is that a new bias where you conform to others ideas?

There was nothing to be confirmed as I didn't know your opinion prior to reading your post. It's arguable there was cognitive bias in my assumption of your meaning, as I would have expected emojis or playful words where you used !, but as I'm not psychic I tend to go with the balance of probabilities. My apologies for misunderstanding the intent of your post.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 07:57:09 PM
The line seems to be that the good relationship disappeared with the Stones incident.
That was my thought, although in fairness it's also just paper speculation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 19, 2017, 07:59:22 PM
https://twitter.com/dominicking_dm/status/887639181287190529


Are City or Chelsea short of "home grown" players?

So the first bit of communication we get from his camp is that he's pissed off because rumours are affecting his move away.

Fuck him, snake.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 08:00:16 PM
Looking at their squad at the minute it's pretty thin on the ground, especially leaving Costa and Matic behind on their pre season tour as well. They need to do some serious recruitment to cover four competitions this season. I didn't realise how lacking in depth it is.

We've also historically got a good relationship with them and to be fair we didn't screw them over on Lukaku, Utd offered a better deal and he chose them.
You can get 20/1 on that currently, but many under 10/1, could be a good bet.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: hannu on July 19, 2017, 08:03:10 PM
sell him to someone shit, ive had enough of him now
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 08:08:05 PM
So the first bit of communication we get from his camp is that he's pissed off because rumours are affecting his move away.

Fuck him, snake.
Mail reporter tweet = communication from Barkley's camp?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 19, 2017, 08:15:18 PM
Mail reporter tweet = communication from Barkley's camp?

King is fairly well connected.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 08:20:57 PM
King is fairly well connected.
Which doesn't negate his questionable morality and lack of commitment to agenda free honest reporting shown by taking a pay check from the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 19, 2017, 08:21:15 PM
Still not sure what you expect the club to do when a player won't sign a contract?

Offer him a better one?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 19, 2017, 08:22:37 PM
It's hotting up now.


https://twitter.com/timessport/status/887662677530730496
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: van der Meyde on July 19, 2017, 08:23:40 PM
So the first bit of communication we get from his camp is that he's pissed off because rumours are affecting his move away.

Fuck him, snake.
There's an air to inevitably about his departure now, isn't there.

I'm one of his biggest fans and I just can't even try to convince myself he'll sign a new deal now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 19, 2017, 08:24:02 PM
Which doesn't negate his questionable morality and lack of commitment to agenda free honest reporting shown by taking a pay check from the Daily Mail.

Running with a line Barkley's agent had fed him is right up his street then, which is what @GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) insinuated.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 19, 2017, 08:28:02 PM
Tell Chelsea we will do a straight-up swap for Batshuayi...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 19, 2017, 08:33:00 PM
As we seem to have a decent amount of goodwill from the Lukaku deal we might have asked Man U to not officially deny any reports linking them with Barkley, even though they probably don't have any interest in him. If it flushes Chelsea out and forces Spurs to reveal their hand then I'm all for it. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 19, 2017, 08:34:25 PM
As we seem to have a decent amount of goodwill from the Lukaku deal we might have asked Man U to not officially deny any reports linking them with Barkley, even though they probably don't have any interest in him. If it flushes Chelsea out and forces Spurs to reveal their hand then I'm all for it. 

yeah, can't imagine what they would do with him.  Other than send us back Sideshow Bob.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shogun on July 19, 2017, 08:36:52 PM
Tottenham, Chelsea and Man United are teams being talked about.

For me, that shows a lot of people who don't rate the lad are in are in for a shock.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 19, 2017, 08:40:49 PM
Tottenham, Chelsea and Man United are teams being talked about.

For me, that shows a lot of people who don't rate the lad are in are in for a shock.

Any top side would be mad not to look at a young, talented homegrown player who is available for a knockdown price. If nothing else he'd be better than most squad players and they could always flip him in 12 months for a profit should it not work out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: hannu on July 19, 2017, 08:45:34 PM
roms gone barkley going, does not look like we are massively improving the squad with those 2 gone, we will probably just stay around 7th again this year, i dont see us bridging the gap
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 19, 2017, 08:47:10 PM
Tottenham, Chelsea and Man United are teams being talked about.

For me, that shows a lot of people who don't rate the lad are in are in for a shock.

I think it's Barkley that in for a shock when none of these teams remotely value him at what he thinks. He is going to take a salary cut to join them.

This makes no sense at all. Losing my love for Barkley and it's close to irreparable.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 19, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
Tottenham, Chelsea and Man United are teams being talked about.

For me, that shows a lot of people who don't rate the lad are in are in for a shock.

For a similar price that West Ham paid for a bang average player from stoke. They are on the hunt for a bargain rather than think he's first team material
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 19, 2017, 08:54:06 PM
roms gone barkley going, does not look like we are massively improving the squad with those 2 gone, we will probably just stay around 7th again this year, i dont see us bridging the gap

Early days still but if Barkley leaves and we only bring in Sigurdsson and Giroud/Benteke I don't see us finishing above 7th
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 08:56:42 PM
Running with a line Barkley's agent had fed him is right up his street then, which is what @GLewis (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=258) insinuated.
As is the idea that a journo, knowing many on Merseyside consider him 'connected', thought that after a lot of rs based tweets it might be an idea to stick in a blue based tweet? And went with an obvious guess (whatever he is thinking, being reported nationally as a delusional money grabber is likely to annoy pretty much anyone) coupled with a non specific and indefinite 'other clubs are interested'

I'm not saying he is lying, but it's another example of something that could well be bollocks being used as 'evidence' to support existing beliefs.

You first brought up confirmation bias didn't you?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Goaljira on July 19, 2017, 09:02:36 PM
roms gone barkley going, does not look like we are massively improving the squad with those 2 gone, we will probably just stay around 7th again this year, i dont see us bridging the gap
Early days still but if Barkley leaves and we only bring in Sigurdsson and Giroud/Benteke I don't see us finishing above 7th

We could go out and spend £200m and still end up 7th.  7th isn't a bad thing given how uneven the playing field is financially as long as we're closer to the top 4 for longer and have a decent run in the cups.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2017, 09:08:40 PM
The doom moungerers are writing us off already, behave yourselves ffs, we are more than a 2 man team, Lukaku gone and we've dealt with it, we will do the same when Barkley goes, and keep on improving
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 19, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
I wouldn't read too much into the public posturing. The claim over wages has come from us and it's almost certainly not true. At the very least it's not a sticking point, as no bid has been accepted. Sure, if Barkley dropped his wage demands by 50%, we might be able to get another £20m, but what's holding up the deal, is us and Spurs negotiating over price. Barkley and Spurs both would know expectations.

Spurs will be arguing in negotiations, that his high wages demands will be one of the main reason they can't afford as much for fee. There is a finite amount that Spurs will be willing to pay in fee and wages combined, and there is a direct correlation. The bigger fee, the less to pay the player. The less wages, the more of a transfer fee you can afford to pay in first place. What we pay Rooney per week, reflects that he came without a fee, and Barkley offers will have reflected he only had a year left, as next destination more in his hands.

But the nature of the message makes it ruffle a few big Spurs feathers. Top paid player, potentially raising questions from other first team players about their own salary. It's feasible that Spurs might be happy to help reduce Barkley's demands, but that side of the argument seems fairly settled, which is probably why someone on other side of negotiating table might seek to change or damage that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gary1878 on July 19, 2017, 09:33:02 PM
I am not sure Ross will ever be the player we all hope he can be.

Too many times last year, he didn't have an effect on the game. He only scored 5 PL goals last season, which for a number 10 in a team vying to reach the Top 6/Champions League next season is just not good enough, and would require a monumental improvement next year.

He has a cracking pass within him, but often just requires too much time on the ball, and isn't quite good enough under the pressure that the very top players are comfortable with.

I am upset with the way this situation has progressed, especially as he is a local lad. It is also frustrating that we had so much hope for him and that he hasn't really delivered in the way that we all hoped he might. He is still a very good player, but hasn't quite got to that top level that Rooney achieved.

However, I am confident we can replace Ross, if not better him this summer. If we can get decent money for him, then lets give him our best wishes, and get on with the job of finding someone better, even if it costs us a pretty penny.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Polledreng on July 19, 2017, 09:41:35 PM
Early days still but if Barkley leaves and we only bring in Sigurdsson and Giroud/Benteke I don't see us finishing above 7th
If thats the end of our summer shopping we would be mutch  stronger than last year
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 19, 2017, 09:43:01 PM
Tottenham, Chelsea and Man United are teams being talked about.

For me, that shows a lot of people who don't rate the lad are in are in for a shock.

Or that they think they can get an English player on the cheap that's worthy of a squad place whilst paying him a moderate wage compared to their big earners.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 19, 2017, 09:44:24 PM
Reports today that Spurs will pay us no more than £20m and will pay Ross no more than £65k a week.
See you later then Ross.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brittcop1 on July 19, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
roms gone barkley going, does not look like we are massively improving the squad with those 2 gone, we will probably just stay around 7th again this year, i dont see us bridging the gap
Not sure we can break the Top 6 this year either but it won't be because of the changes we've made: Lukaku made is 1 dimensional and would never stay here long term. Ross, as much as I've wanted him to succeed, has flattered to deceive. 5 goals from an attacking ' creative' midfielder with questionable mental resilience isn't going to move us up the table either. We are building a squad, with different options...not relying on Lukaku and Ross to have their best games...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 19, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
We will do the best we can with the hand we are dealt, in the transfer market and on the pitch.  No settling for 7th, but if that's what comes, it's what comes.  But we will fight until the end for better.  I am certain of that.

No more kiddie table for Everton.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: TheRam on July 19, 2017, 10:00:07 PM
Tottenham, Chelsea and Man United are teams being talked about.

For me, that shows a lot of people who don't rate the lad are in are in for a shock.

They see the opportunity for a bargain.

All the teams mentioned have a history of stockpiling players and I wouldn't be surprised to see Barkley struggle at any team above us.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GLewis on July 19, 2017, 10:14:13 PM
They see the opportunity for a bargain.

All the teams mentioned have a history of stockpiling players and I wouldn't be surprised to see Barkley struggle at any team above us.



Yes anyone who thinks he's rubbish is clearly wrong.

But equally these clubs have not been falling over themselves to sign him.

Also it's not surprising that these "stories" have appeared following the negative response to the mirror story re his wages (if you're following the agent leaking things tack that I am :) )
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Macca77 on July 19, 2017, 10:14:32 PM
He will get splinters on his arse at City, United and Chelsea
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2017, 10:22:53 PM
He will get splinters on his arse at City, United and Chelsea

And us as well.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 19, 2017, 10:23:02 PM
The thing a lot of people miss with Barkley, is how home grown he is.

Man City paid £50m for Kyle Walker, they were down to the minimum 4 home grown players last season. Chelsea had 6, but Terry, Chalobah and Begovic have gone. United have now got Pogba, Lukaku, Lingaard, Rashford and Shaw, but others are heading towards exits.

So it wouldn't be difficult to imagine with teams missing out on targets and other considerations, it might make sense for a new bidder. I can understand why it might only be Spurs interested from teams above us, then we don't really have a bidding war, just a drawn out negotiation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: brap2 on July 19, 2017, 10:24:31 PM
footballs shite
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 19, 2017, 10:43:05 PM
The thing a lot of people miss with Barkley, is how home grown he is.

What?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 19, 2017, 10:52:25 PM
What?


Can't beat a bit of home grown... As for Ross? Let's get this done for all our sakes. We won't get 50 so just take 30 plus add ons. He doesn't want to be here by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 19, 2017, 10:55:32 PM
Can see him going to a team above us, not playing much and going out on loan in January to a West ham or a Stoke.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 19, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
Can't beat a bit of home grown...

lolol

I think Ridge has been on it!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tinga on July 19, 2017, 11:09:44 PM
lolol

I think Ridge has been on it!

What, like Cabbage and stuff?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: everton1952 on July 19, 2017, 11:21:34 PM
He would do well at Celtic; guaranteed trophies every year against utter shite opposition. If only they could afford to pay more than £15m.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 19, 2017, 11:31:48 PM
What?

I was taking the piss about why they would be interested, as in, it's not just a case of how good he is.

For teams at the top of the table, which British players can you buy and put straight in your first team. You can get better value from foreign purchases, but what about next year when same problem happens.

Squad places are at a premium, you can't afford to carry players for the sake of registration. It's part of the reason why Stones was so in demand last summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 19, 2017, 11:32:55 PM
lolol

I think Ridge has been on it!

I resemble that comment

What, like Cabbage and stuff?

I have grown potatoes, onions, strawberries, tomatoes, yellow cucumbers and an accidental lettuce.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: MrWhite on July 19, 2017, 11:37:13 PM
I resemble that comment

I have grown potatoes, onions, strawberries, tomatoes, yellow cucumbers and an accidental lettuce.
Accidental lettuce? Was it meant to be cauliflower or something?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 19, 2017, 11:50:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/887715827096707073
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 19, 2017, 11:51:07 PM
https://twitter.com/_pauljoyce/status/887715037237964802
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blue1948 on July 19, 2017, 11:51:52 PM
Lol is that a new bias where you conform to others ideas?

There was nothing to be confirmed as I didn't know your opinion prior to reading your post. It's arguable there was cognitive bias in my assumption of your meaning, as I would have expected emojis or playful words where you used !, but as I'm not psychic I tend to go with the balance of probabilities. My apologies for misunderstanding the intent of your post.
I was suggesting you were conforming to the standard train of thought ,it was a play on words but as with my other post that you picked up on ,it seems you're not on the same wavelength
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 19, 2017, 11:54:54 PM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/07/19/barkley-has-surgery-on-groin-injury

That's one hell of an excuse.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: velimski on July 19, 2017, 11:57:40 PM
6 to 9 months for Mori. Christ!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ridge on July 20, 2017, 12:01:30 AM
Accidental lettuce? Was it meant to be cauliflower or something?

I was growing salad leaves and one of the seeds bridged the divide to the tomato enclave. Turns out they are good neighbours, and he's unsurprisingly thrived in the absence of my help, so I had to adopt him and put a stop to that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 20, 2017, 12:04:07 AM
Ron's gonna take him some grapes and Ross will sign and live happily ever after.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 20, 2017, 12:13:55 AM
And we all thought the 'injury' was BS !
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2017, 12:17:28 AM
And we all thought the 'injury' was BS !

That's probably what the physio said to him this morning..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 20, 2017, 12:19:16 AM
Ron's gonna take him some grapes and Ross will sign and live happily ever after.
He'll get the best medical treatment there is except that anaesthetics and pain killers aren't available for anyone with less than 12 months to run on their contract
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on July 20, 2017, 01:09:15 AM
Can still be transferred. Rooney came back from the euros and did his metatarsal and was due to miss the start of the new season whilst being transferred to Utd.

Otherwise it will probably a deadline day move.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 20, 2017, 01:33:28 AM
Kinda glad to know this wasn't all BS.

I still hope all parties come to their senses and we keep him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 20, 2017, 01:53:29 AM
Doesn't change anything does it? We're still waiting for a club to meet our valuation. Oh, and he currently has a groin strain.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 20, 2017, 01:55:13 AM
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/07/19/barkley-has-surgery-on-groin-injury

That's one hell of an excuse.

Quote
The surgery has been a success and he is expected to be able to return to play in approximately four weeks.

Translated into English: "We expect Levy to drag it out until mid-August, possibly even deadline day." :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 20, 2017, 02:20:14 AM
This is the only blight on the start of our most important season for yonks,
love it to be resolved and him to shine...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Simon Paul on July 20, 2017, 02:27:16 AM
Hope he stays and just bladders the ball at all the meffs who slag him off during the warmup against Stoke
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: gizzblue on July 20, 2017, 02:36:13 AM
Hope he stays and just bladders the ball at all the meffs who slag him off during the warmup against Stoke
Doubtful out for 4weeks then a couple of weeks catching up fitness to the rest ...then has to force out whoever is playing in his stead ....see him mid to end september .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 02:48:04 AM
If he's not fit in time for the end of the transfer window that'd be the worst possible scenario for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 20, 2017, 03:11:31 AM
Sky reporting he hasn't asked for wages that would make him top earner at Sputs
as has been reported..
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blueToffee on July 20, 2017, 03:16:10 AM
Sky reporting he hasn't asked for wages that would make him top earner at Sputs
as has been reported..

...by Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2017, 03:20:24 AM
...by Sky Sports.

.... who's source is Jim White.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Everton Mint on July 20, 2017, 03:23:57 AM
Tom Davies had already overtaken Barkley as my favourite young player, and my thought that Dowell was coming up fast has only been confirmed by his display and goal tonight.

For me Barkley can go... we got plenty with the same potential, better mentality and no baggage.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2017, 03:50:08 AM
Tom Davies had already overtaken Barkley as my favourite young player, and my thought that Dowell was coming up fast has only been confirmed by his display and goal tonight.

For me Barkley can go... we got plenty with the same potential, better mentality and no baggage.

Surely you'd prefer to see Davies, Dowell and Barkley in the same team?

Baggage optional.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: sam of the south on July 20, 2017, 03:52:33 AM
Surely you'd prefer to see Davies, Dowell and Barkley in the same team?

Baggage optional.


Yeah, you can't have enough talented players in your squad, particularly homegrown ones.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: American Evertonian on July 20, 2017, 04:10:16 AM
Surely you'd prefer to see Davies, Dowell and Barkley in the same team?

Baggage optional.


I'd be okay with them bringing whatever baggage they want as long as Walsh finds us a nice young Himalayan porter with plenty of potential.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 20, 2017, 04:55:21 AM
Surely you'd prefer to see Davies, Dowell and Barkley in the same team?

Baggage optional.


You spelt Rooney wrong... It doesn't start with a B
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Confucius on July 20, 2017, 04:56:01 AM
I'd be okay with them bringing whatever baggage they want as long as Walsh finds us a nice young Himalayan porter with plenty of potential.

Don't make this issue your Everest mate
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2017, 05:00:42 AM
You spelt Rooney wrong... It doesn't start with a B

Didn't want to exceed our baggage limitation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Major Clanger on July 20, 2017, 05:05:25 AM
Is this a good time for me to make a lame joke about unexpected items in the bagging area?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 20, 2017, 06:48:56 AM
Doubtful out for 4weeks then a couple of weeks catching up fitness to the rest ...then has to force out whoever is playing in his stead ....see him mid to end september .

On someone else's bench...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Gary1878 on July 20, 2017, 01:38:42 PM
I wonder how much of this stuff effects the players. I think players in Ross' position in the number 10 role would surely get a boost thinking he might leave and work that little bit harder to force their way into Rons plans. Might work the other way for the rest though depending on their opinion of his ability.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: stirlingblue on July 20, 2017, 02:43:26 PM
Wilshire also has 12 months left on his contract and Arsenal have put a £20m price tag on him.

Surely that makes Ross at least £40m, if only because he actually plays more than 10 games a season
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Escla on July 20, 2017, 04:24:14 PM
You can put £40 mil price tag on him but you will never get it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 20, 2017, 04:47:20 PM
I'd be okay with them bringing whatever baggage they want as long as Walsh finds us a nice young Himalayan porter with plenty of potential.

Walsh has already brought in a young(ish) Senagalese porter to do all the heavy lifting.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: stirlingblue on July 20, 2017, 06:42:02 PM
You can put £40 mil price tag on him but you will never get it.

Never say never the way fees are going this summer.

It's all about brinkmanship. He may only have a year left on his contract but if it gets to late in the window and United/Spurs haven't managed to get a player in then it may see his worth go up rather than down.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 20, 2017, 09:22:25 PM
Being reported that Arsenal are now interested as well! Maybe help in getting Giroud in?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on July 20, 2017, 09:23:32 PM
Swap for Jack Wilshere  ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: KingdingalingNL on July 20, 2017, 09:38:32 PM
Swap for Jack Wilshere  ;)

😂
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 20, 2017, 10:47:51 PM
Straight swap for Giroud? Don't have to worry about values then. ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 21, 2017, 06:53:07 AM
This isn't fucking football stickers in the playground, fuck off with the "swaps". Christ.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 21, 2017, 07:08:41 AM
A disheartening read, but I can't disagree with any of it.  He's in limbo, with no easy way out.

http://www.espnfc.us/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3160601/once-touted-for-greatness-ross-barkley-may-now-be-the-odd-man-out-at-everton
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: arteta4spain on July 21, 2017, 08:07:56 AM
A disheartening read, but I can't disagree with any of it.  He's in limbo, with no easy way out.

http://www.espnfc.us/english-premier-league/23/blog/post/3160601/once-touted-for-greatness-ross-barkley-may-now-be-the-odd-man-out-at-everton

I think he'll leave on a free or decide to sign up at the end of the season. The only person to blame here is Barkley himself. Yes Koeman has been "tough" with him and I reckon Koemans done this on purpose to see what kind of character and mentatilty Ross has. He's shot himself in the foot here and it's painful to see.
The more this drags on the number of fans who aren't arsed about him increases. But I think when the time comes and he does leave, a lot of fans will be gutted when he leaves Everton Football Club.
There are similarities to Rooneys transfer but we couldn't really keep him and we needed the money. Ross doesn't have to go we're not forcing him out he has a choice and it's a decision that's been ill advised. With the emergence of Tom Davies and now hopefully Kieran Dowell this coming season we've unearthed another few diamonds. Whereas there'll be one that's shine will diminish rapidly with every footstep away from Goodison Park.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: hannu on July 21, 2017, 08:27:29 AM
If he isn't going to sign and gonna go on a free next year make him train with the kids don't give him a signal min of game time that luerative contract he hopes to get next year when he is on a free won't be be so good then, and the bigger clubs won't be so interested in signing a player who hasn't even gotten into our team for a year
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2017, 09:16:17 AM
It's a shame that the timings of Rooney and Barkley weren't reversed. 25 million for Barkley in 2004 would have been an amazing deal for us. And Having a 23 year old Rooney right now would have really given us and him a great chance of glory.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 21, 2017, 10:28:06 AM
Listened to the Echo Podcast on this topic, and it once again points out their lack of knowledge and understanding of football beyond being "proper blues".

I can't remember all the names, but there's one particularly shouty guy who was touting him for West Ham and Newcastle. But at the same time being pissed off that he was holding out for a move to Spurs, where he could potentially earn more than Everton are willing to pay for him. Having a go because "he'd be nowhere without Everton, he'd be a nobody".

That isn't football insight, that's just that drunk guy at the bar who constantly spouts shite. "Lukaku is too lazy", "Ross gives away the ball all the time", "Osman is shite" and so on. Why bother your arse as a journalist if all you're going to do is peddle reactionary bullshit.

I'm going to hate seeing him go, but I'm going to love seeing him ram some of the inept criticism down some people's throats. He's so much better than some are willing to give him credit for, and he will be a miss.   
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 21, 2017, 03:10:30 PM
Listened to the Echo Podcast on this topic, and it once again points out their lack of knowledge and understanding of football beyond being "proper blues".

I can't remember all the names, but there's one particularly shouty guy who was touting him for West Ham and Newcastle. But at the same time being pissed off that he was holding out for a move to Spurs, where he could potentially earn more than Everton are willing to pay for him. Having a go because "he'd be nowhere without Everton, he'd be a nobody".

That isn't football insight, that's just that drunk guy at the bar who constantly spouts shite. "Lukaku is too lazy", "Ross gives away the ball all the time", "Osman is shite" and so on. Why bother your arse as a journalist if all you're going to do is peddle reactionary bullshit.

I'm going to hate seeing him go, but I'm going to love seeing him ram some of the inept criticism down some people's throats. He's so much better than some are willing to give him credit for, and he will be a miss.   

You're confusing potential with actual.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 21, 2017, 03:20:14 PM
You're confusing potential with actual.

I'm not though. He is good enough to play for the teams he's being linked with. There's a reason the likes of West Ham and Newcastle aren't being seriously linked, and Spurs, Arsenal, Utd etc are. His critics are overly harsh and unwilling to accept how influential a player he is. His biggest criticism is that he often plays within himself. The confidence of a big money move, where he is wanted by manager, board, fans et all will do wonders for this aspect of his game in my opinion. Too often is he walking on eggshells at Goodison. Little wonder given some of the comments here and on social media.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on July 21, 2017, 03:27:48 PM
I'm not though. He is good enough to play for the teams he's being linked with. There's a reason the likes of West Ham and Newcastle aren't being seriously linked, and Spurs, Arsenal, Utd etc are. His critics are overly harsh and unwilling to accept how influential a player he is. His biggest criticism is that he often plays within himself. The confidence of a big money move, where he is wanted by manager, board, fans et all will do wonders for this aspect of his game in my opinion. Too often is he walking on eggshells at Goodison. Little wonder given some of the comments here and on social media.

I agree with that but you said he is better than people give him credit for. I think he could be better than people give him credit for but he needs to take more responsibility for an end product and kick his career on for that to happen.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Jamokachi on July 21, 2017, 03:29:21 PM
I agree with that but you said he is better than people give him credit for. I think he could be better than people give him credit for but he needs to take more responsibility for an end product and kick his career on for that to happen.

Oh, no doubt he can and should kick on. There's plenty on here and elsewhere that don't rate what he brings to the table currently though, which in my opinion is a lot.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley
Post by: Lxxx on Ju