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Title: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Robioto on July 03, 2017, 10:01:40 PM
 :) :) :)




Sandro Ramirez declared he has joined the ďideal club and ideal managerĒ after signing for Everton from Malaga on a four-year deal, as he targeted trophies and Champions League football with the ambitious Blues.
 
The 21-year-old forward has penned a contract at Goodison Park until the end of June 2021 after Everton triggered a release clause in the Spaniardís contract with the La Liga club.
 
Sandroís signing follows those of goalkeeper Jordan Pickford Ė in a Club-record deal for a fee of £25million potentially rising to £30million Ė Dutch international midfield player Davy Klaassen from Ajax for Ä27million and Henry Onyekuru, the Belgian Pro Leagueís joint-top goalscorer last season who will spend the 2017/18 season on loan at Anderlecht.
 
Former Barcelona striker Sandro, who was part of the Spain side that reached the final of the UEFA Euro Under-21 championships last month in Poland, revealed he ďcannot wait to wear the blue shirtĒ for a ďmassive clubĒ, as he pointed to the influence of boss Ronald Koeman in making the switch to Merseyside.
 
ďIím very happy, this is a big step in my career,Ē Sandro told evertontv. ďI know Iím signing for a massive club in England. Everton is the ideal place for me, Iíve got the ideal manager who is going to keep giving me the confidence to improve my game.
 
ďI cannot wait to wear the blue shirt in front of the Everton fans at Goodison Park. Itís a big jump in my career coming to the Premier League and for a club like Everton which is really on the up. They have got big plans and want to succeed and keep developing. Iím hoping I can get to know my teammates as soon as possible, and want to adapt to the football and the way of life in the city.
 
ďEverton have made some big signings and weíre hoping we can put in a great season and hopefully then we can achieve that aim of getting in the Champions League. It will be a big season for us.
 
ďI was lucky enough to play with some of the best players in the world and managed to win the odd trophy but the important thing now is that Iím very happy to be signing for Everton. Weíve got a fantastic squad and Iím excited about being able to compete at Everton and win plenty of silverware.Ē
 
Having come through Barcelonaís academy from the age of 14, going on to make 32 first-team appearances for the Catalan giants, Sandro joined Malaga last summer and enjoyed a fine campaign, scoring 16 goals in 31 appearances as ĎAlbicelestesí finished 11th in La Liga.
 
That caught the attention of Koeman and Director of Football Steve Walsh who, along with Everton Chairman Bill Kenwright, the forward said were key in him signing for the Blues.
 
ďThe biggest attraction is the confidence already shown in me by people at the Club,Ē he added. ďIím really excited at having the chance to work with the manager, Ronald Koeman. He has shown a lot of faith in me and was very influential in my decision to come here, as were other people at the Club Ė especially the Chairman, Bill Kenwright, and Steve Walsh.Ē
 
Koeman, who believes Sandro will add significantly to the productivity of the team, declared: ďThere was a lot of interest in Sandro because, of course, heís a goalscorer, heís young and he has a big future in the game.
 
ďWe have been trying to bring in good players so we can have greater productivity in the team and he will bring that. He will bring a lot of good qualities and heís a really good goalscorer, too.Ē
 
Born on the island of Gran Canaria, Sandro made his Barcelona debut against Villarreal in August 2014 at the age of 19, scoring the winner just 12 minutes after coming on as a substitute. He went on to play 12 times for Barcelona in 2014/15 and in 20 matches during the following campaign, collecting La Liga winnersí medals in both seasons.
 
ďIím bringing a lot of youthful enthusiasm and a real desire to improve and work hard,Ē Sandro said. ďOne of the things Iíve always had is a good work ethic and a real desire and strength of character to do well.
 
ďMy key strength is goalscoring. Itís always good to bring goals to a team and thatís what Iím hoping to do. My game is making runs off the ball, trying to find space, putting in a lot of effort and running hard. I think thatís an advantage in the Premier League.Ē

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/07/02/sandro-signs-for-everton
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 10:03:31 PM
:) :) :)


Ohhhh such a tease...
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 10:06:47 PM
Love it!!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 03, 2017, 10:07:02 PM
*swoon*
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Goaljira on July 03, 2017, 10:11:09 PM
That's a brilliant intro vid.  Like the start to a TV show.  And then The Fonz at the end!

(https://theallandtheevery.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/fonzi.jpg)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Big Nev on July 03, 2017, 10:12:16 PM
Showing we mean business this season. 4 players in already by 3rd July!!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Robioto on July 03, 2017, 10:12:24 PM
I know he's the cheapest signing so far, but this is the most exciting so far as well for me. :)

Massive bargain. :)

Keep them coming Everton! Keane next!
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Post by: bacon sarnie on July 03, 2017, 10:13:21 PM
That's a brilliant intro vid.  Like the start to a TV show.  And then The Fonz at the end!

(https://theallandtheevery.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/fonzi.jpg)

Ayyyyyyyyy! Sit on it Klopp.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2017, 10:14:36 PM
Keane announcement expected later as well
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: pjk on July 03, 2017, 10:19:01 PM
Excellent stuff. It's great the way they announce it too. We're going places. :)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Ross on July 03, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: sam of the south on July 03, 2017, 10:22:43 PM
Only four years and not five... fuck this, fuck off, Everton etc.


😉
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 03, 2017, 10:31:28 PM
Who's Steve?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: toffee_scot on July 03, 2017, 10:32:07 PM
Welcome to the club Sandro.

Here's to another 116 pages of Sandro talk on this forum!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueForYou on July 03, 2017, 10:36:39 PM
Never in doubt - we got him!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Ridge on July 03, 2017, 10:37:17 PM
Who's Steve?

Walsh
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Robioto on July 03, 2017, 10:50:18 PM
Which mod had the privilage of closing the Sandro mega thread in the end?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 03, 2017, 10:52:30 PM
fucking hell. Need a lie down after this

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/881900786518822913
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Chris on July 03, 2017, 11:05:04 PM
The obligatory youtube video makes him look very very good. Exciting signing.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Tinga on July 03, 2017, 11:18:03 PM
Who's Steve?

Steve the Pirate.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on July 03, 2017, 11:20:30 PM
Huh-fucking-ray!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: velimski on July 03, 2017, 11:26:27 PM
I actually know very little about him (other than he had a good season at Malaga last year and that Atletico were after him).

Genuine question......do folk think he'll go straight into the starting X1?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Shropshire Blue on July 03, 2017, 11:29:17 PM
fucking hell. Need a lie down after this

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/881900786518822913
Steady on. Would a cold bath be better than a lie down?!!??!!!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 03, 2017, 11:29:46 PM
Steady on. Would a cold bath be better than a lie down?!!??!!!

Both
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 03, 2017, 11:31:13 PM
I actually know very little about him (other than he had a good season at Malaga last year and that Atletico were after him).

Genuine question......do folk think he'll go straight into the starting X1?
Not many do to be honest pal...... I'm pinning my hopes on atletico normally do well with forwards and were keen so by that logic he must be ace
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluedylan on July 03, 2017, 11:31:40 PM
I actually know very little about him (other than he had a good season at Malaga last year and that Atletico were after him).

Genuine question......do folk think he'll go straight into the starting X1?

As the squad stands, yes, as a wide forward in a 4-3-3 probably.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: stirlingblue on July 03, 2017, 11:39:43 PM
He's like a young Mirallas isn't he?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: montanatoffeefan on July 03, 2017, 11:40:20 PM
Ohhhh such a tease...

Ahhh, though, the days of the "watch this space" teases are over.

This news seems the equivalent of a naked Kyra Santoro bending over your bed and shouting "Fill this space!"
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 03, 2017, 11:40:42 PM
fucking hell. Need a lie down after this

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/881900786518822913

Need to hear him shout "Chicken, lad!" before I'm sold!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: toffee_scot on July 03, 2017, 11:40:55 PM
Genuine question......do folk think he'll go straight into the starting X1?

I think a lot will depend on the Lukaku transfer situation and the kind of formation that Koeman wants to implement. Sandro not only can operate as a centre forward but also as a winger.

Even if he doesn't make the starting XI against Stoke, I expect he will be one of the first players to be brought on as a sub. 
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2017, 11:41:13 PM
Ahhh, though, the days of the "watch this space" teases are over.

This news seems the equivalent of a naked Kyra Santoro bending over your bed and shouting "Fill this space!"

When I quoted that, it was just the video of the plane ride. Brilliantly done.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 03, 2017, 11:52:26 PM
Not many do to be honest pal...... I'm pinning my hopes on atletico normally do well with forwards and were keen so by that logic he must be ace

Again, having watched about 120 minutes of the U21 Euros...he's the best player I've ever seen.  :D
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 04, 2017, 12:21:11 AM
Vamos vamos vamos!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 04, 2017, 12:30:04 AM
I've just read what he said and then did two things. The first was to jam my head in the door for my doubting him before. The second was a cum face. Seriously made up with this fella. We could... however unlikely do a Leicester with a great playmaker.... plus knob head staying and partnering Sandro?
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Post by: Ridge on July 04, 2017, 12:52:34 AM
Would be interesting to know, if he did turn down Madrid
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: hill135 on July 04, 2017, 12:54:30 AM
Yeah I think he'll play on the left in place of Kev.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: ally2 on July 04, 2017, 01:20:33 AM
This lad has a first class football pedigree and has scored a good number in a top league. No need to test him like a baby. I think he'll lead the line but will get rests. No need to push him out wide but Koeman knows best.
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Post by: sam of the south on July 04, 2017, 01:50:37 AM
Well, I didn't expect him to sound like a middle-aged Scouser 🤔


http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/everton/10935739/sandro-excited-to-work-with-koeman
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 04, 2017, 02:03:40 AM
Well, I didn't expect him to sound like a middle-aged Scouser 🤔


http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/everton/10935739/sandro-excited-to-work-with-koeman

Lol

Kirsty Gallagher is still hot i see...
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: sam of the south on July 04, 2017, 02:05:51 AM
Lol

Kirsty Gallagher is still hot i see...

Yeah, bet she's a right cow, though.

As if that fucking matters! 😜
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Post by: Brownie on July 04, 2017, 04:06:45 AM
I tell you what. The new shirt looks fucking lovely in the shots of him
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Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 04:37:08 AM
I tell you what. The new shirt looks fucking lovely in the shots of him

I was thinking that an all, makes it looks good fair play.

Gunna wait for the away and maybe third and see which one takes my fancy.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 04:57:49 AM
Just done some classic YouTube research and he does look boss like.

A lot of his goals last year were from quite mad positions though...4 or 5 from really tight angles to the left and right of goal, another 4 or so from 25/30 yards. Wonder what he's like 1 on 1, I'd think he'd be a good finisher but it's always nice to see a range of goals rather than just like wonder strikes.

Watched a bit of his Barca days to see what he's like with the ball and I think he can ball a bit, dribbles well and didn't look like he couldn't keep up in the admittedly limited clips.
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Post by: AlberFenoll on July 04, 2017, 06:04:25 AM
All goals Sandro RamŪrez MŠlaga CF 2016/2017


Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: bacon sarnie on July 04, 2017, 06:18:14 AM
Well, I didn't expect him to sound like a middle-aged Scouser 🤔


http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/everton/10935739/sandro-excited-to-work-with-koeman

Better than Cilla Black.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 04, 2017, 06:20:18 AM
All goals Sandro RamŪrez MŠlaga CF 2016/2017



I'm sure they're all wonderful goals, but the idiot who made that video clearly has no idea what contrast means.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 04, 2017, 02:03:57 PM
Tim Sherwood just gave his appraisal on Talksport.

"He runs around a lot. He perhaps got double figures last season".

With that level of analytical insight I'm shocked that he's been run out of every club he's managed within 20mins.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lazarou on July 04, 2017, 02:29:07 PM
Tim Sherwood just gave his appraisal on Talksport.

"He runs around a lot. He perhaps got double figures last season".

With that level of analytical insight I'm shocked that he's been run out of every club he's managed within 20mins.

Imagine his team talks! How do these ex players/managers get into the media? They offer absolutely nothing, thankfully with the likes youtube and forums on t'internet we can get more of a insight. Shame he will be getting paid for it.
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Post by: TheTone on July 04, 2017, 02:35:32 PM
Imagine his team talks! How do these ex players/managers get into the media? They offer absolutely nothing, thankfully with the likes youtube and forums on t'internet we can more insight. Shame he will be getting paid for it.

cause they got the gift of the gab, I would say most of us here know more about footie than lots of them but we'd most probably shit ourselves in front of the TV cameras
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Post by: van der Meyde on July 04, 2017, 02:41:32 PM
Just done some classic YouTube research and he does look boss like.

A lot of his goals last year were from quite mad positions though...4 or 5 from really tight angles to the left and right of goal, another 4 or so from 25/30 yards. Wonder what he's like 1 on 1, I'd think he'd be a good finisher but it's always nice to see a range of goals rather than just like wonder strikes.

Watched a bit of his Barca days to see what he's like with the ball and I think he can ball a bit, dribbles well and didn't look like he couldn't keep up in the admittedly limited clips.
Given last season was the only season he scored a lot of goals, Im slightly concerned about how well he'll keep it up.

It could be that he's excellent at shooting from outside the box, but the worry is that those mad ones from outside the box and wide don't go in for us this season...
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Post by: School of Science on July 04, 2017, 02:51:54 PM
cause they got the gift of the gab, I would say most of us here know more about footie than lots of them but we'd most probably shit ourselves in front of the TV cameras

Think it's more to do with them being ex professional footballers and looking as if they know what their talking about........That is until you actually listen to them  :)
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Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 04, 2017, 02:53:37 PM
What a bargain if he progresses with us.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 04, 2017, 03:38:18 PM
Given last season was the only season he scored a lot of goals, Im slightly concerned about how well he'll keep it up.

It could be that he's excellent at shooting from outside the box, but the worry is that those mad ones from outside the box and wide don't go in for us this season...

Yup, that's what xG radars are all about. @kramer0 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=4360) have you seen any radars for our new man?

I do think the tools he has - pace, directness, movement, dribbling and goals look like they'll translate well, but yeah the amount of low xg shots that he converted was a bit disconcerting.
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Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 03:44:34 PM
https://twitter.com/FussballRadars/status/859159246902108165



Only one i can find
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 03:46:53 PM
Seems to be more indepth

https://twitter.com/mixedknuts/status/881894429820321794
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 04, 2017, 03:58:26 PM
I'll be honest, those graphs means absolutely fuck all to me. The boil my brain.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: formerKHL on July 04, 2017, 03:59:04 PM
Imagine his team talks! How do these ex players/managers get into the media? They offer absolutely nothing, thankfully with the likes youtube and forums on t'internet we can get more of a insight. Shame he will be getting paid for it.

It appears that if you pretend to know something about something you get to be an "expert pundit" on these media outlets nowadays...

most of them are rubbish...and merely state what the channels/stations wanna hear....look at Darren Gough on Talkshite....an ex cricketer whose expert football opinion is constantly pushed on TS....I "sort of know" in a roundabout way Darren Gough....his claim to football expertise is he played for Barnsley boys....if you know that level of football..particularly when he played...well enough said....expert?   far from it....
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: stirlingblue on July 04, 2017, 04:00:04 PM
Given last season was the only season he scored a lot of goals

He's 21, and last season is the first season that he's played a decent amount of games, of course he's not been banging them in before then!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 04, 2017, 04:02:26 PM
Tim Sherwood just gave his appraisal on Talksport.

"He runs around a lot. He perhaps got double figures last season".

With that level of analytical insight I'm shocked that he's been run out of every club he's managed within 20mins.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnXZt_BCUAAE7fx.jpg)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 04, 2017, 04:26:25 PM
I'll be honest, those graphs means absolutely fuck all to me. The boil my brain.

I've startd to get to grips with them.

As with all statistcs/graphs they mean - in isolation - fuck all.
It's all about comparison though. So they only do any good when you have looked at a fair few of them (all in identical format) so you start expecting to see spikes in certain places etc
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 04, 2017, 04:28:22 PM
Looking at the pictures this Sandro chap's paper round was almost as strenuous as Diego Costa's
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 04, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
From watching the videos, i feel Sandro would be a great live wire foil for Lukaku,

not sure who would be on the right tho. Klassan or Miralles, or somebody new? (please no Rooney) Demarai gray would be excellent here, but i doubt he would leave Leicester as he's only been there around 18months, I guess that means Berardi instead :D (the non Everton player i enjoyed watching the most in the fifa youth tourneys this summer)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: hill135 on July 04, 2017, 07:37:33 PM
Looks like he's not much of a creator then, according that graph.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 04, 2017, 07:41:48 PM
Looks like he's not much of a creator then, according that graph.

He got 5 assists with his 14 goals for Malaga. Not too bad, plus he's only 21.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Confucius on July 05, 2017, 12:19:01 AM
I'll be honest, those graphs means absolutely fuck all to me. The boil my brain.

These graphs really are quite the irritant.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 05, 2017, 12:40:44 AM
Has he signed yet?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: ally2 on July 05, 2017, 12:54:58 AM
Has he signed yet?

In 48 hrs with the Arteta money apparently.  Watch this space.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 05, 2017, 01:00:51 AM
Has he signed yet?

Yep, loaned him out to Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 05, 2017, 01:07:06 AM
He got 5 assists with his 14 goals for Malaga. Not too bad, plus he's only 21.

Plus he certainly didn't have the likes of a Lukaku or Giroud to play alongside of there, either.  Everything I've heard/read said he showed himself to be much more of a "complete package" at Malaga than was expected going in (i.e., just a goalscorer).
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blueToffee on July 05, 2017, 02:02:33 AM
Do like how the will he/won't he Sandro transfer thread reached 116 pages, yet the thread where it's confirmed he's signing probably will struggle to get to double digits.

All that angst, and it's now just "so who's next?".
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2017, 02:52:44 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10936855/sandro-ramirez-to-everton-could-be-one-of-the-bargains-of-the-summer
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 05, 2017, 02:59:52 PM
No pressure then
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 05, 2017, 04:09:54 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170705/cdf73bbd3089c47a6627afe54ee9e2f7.jpg)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: plumber on July 05, 2017, 06:44:37 PM
A lot of his goals last year were from quite mad positions though...4 or 5 from really tight angles to the left and right of goal, another 4 or so from 25/30 yards.
That's what caught my eye in his video. A few goals from ridiculous angles, a few 30 yard screamers and not so many "normal" goals.

Interesting article on that:
https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/


Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: pjk on July 05, 2017, 06:56:34 PM
That's what caught my eye in his video. A few goals from ridiculous angles, a few 30 yard screamers and not so many "normal" goals.

Interesting article on that:
https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/






Interesting that is.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 05, 2017, 07:51:39 PM
That's what caught my eye in his video. A few goals from ridiculous angles, a few 30 yard screamers and not so many "normal" goals.

Interesting article on that:
https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/




Makes sense.

As I say though I back his strengths, hopefully we will create more of the sort of chances he can do with rather than balls into the box.

Backs up the idea that we need a 'proper 9' in there aswell though...giroud cough cough.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Ridge on July 05, 2017, 09:02:33 PM
His touch is so good, that he often only needs one of them to set himself for a shot or takes it first time. First touch is the hardest to control and it's not like he's poking at everything like Jelavic used to, he's just so comfortable on the ball, that he can get off shots or find a yard of space with minimal touches and a light boot.

If you look at the weighting on some of his passes, it's not on a Silva or Ozil level, but it's not that far off. It's more with layoffs or passes round the corner than through balls, but when you have that precision in opposition area, it creates chances.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 05, 2017, 09:06:07 PM
That's what caught my eye in his video. A few goals from ridiculous angles, a few 30 yard screamers and not so many "normal" goals.

Interesting article on that:
https://differentgame.wordpress.com/2017/07/04/the-data-scout-sandro-ramirez/




Suggests he can be genuinely dangerous from a wide position and we may still be after a main cenre forward...
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on July 05, 2017, 10:23:35 PM
Yeah Sandro will no doubt be used out wide by us.

Id like us to sign a forward with pace next as we will be very slow up top IF Giroud and Rooney sign.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: chang on July 05, 2017, 10:43:58 PM
What's not to like?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10936855/sandro-ramirez-to-everton-could-be-one-of-the-bargains-of-the-summer
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blue1948 on July 05, 2017, 11:28:38 PM
Just found this :-
https://realsport101.com/news/sports/football/everton-sandro-ramirez-will-prove-bargain-summer/
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Goaljira on July 06, 2017, 01:30:48 AM
Sandro's looking at Atletico signing Costa despite the transfer ban thinking 'wtf?'.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Ridge on July 07, 2017, 04:21:36 AM
Sandro's looking at Atletico signing Costa despite the transfer ban thinking 'wtf?'.

He probably had the option to go there and sit out for 6 months too.

Was thinking would it be worth having Costa for 6 months...
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: pjk on July 07, 2017, 06:31:24 PM
Guillaume Balagues take on Sandro from the OS.  ;D



http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/07/07/balague-blues-should-be-excited-by-sandro-coup
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: pjk on July 17, 2017, 06:03:34 PM
The obligatory Evertonian, reporting movement of our new players. Sandro on his way over after his late holidays. I wonder if he'll get a cameo against FC Twente. Probably a bit too soon, fitness wise :)



https://twitter.com/Callum_Walker96/status/886670486096285697



By the way. Do us a favour lads, and let us know if the links don't show. Have stopped using Google as my main search engine account. Just getting used to Firefox. Thanks a lot. :)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 17, 2017, 06:11:13 PM
About time him and Pickford showed up.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 17, 2017, 06:15:00 PM
The obligatory Evertonian, reporting movement of our new players. Sandro on his way over after his late holidays. I wonder if he'll get a cameo against FC Twente. Probably a bit too soon, fitness wise :)



https://twitter.com/Callum_Walker96/status/886670486096285697


His body language is all wrong, he's not happy etc.....
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 17, 2017, 06:55:30 PM

His body language is all wrong, he's not happy etc.....

He's refreshing the page showing when Atletico's transfer ban is lifted.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toffee1 on July 17, 2017, 07:07:21 PM

His body language is all wrong, he's not happy etc.....

He could be refreshing the thread with the pictures of Kirsty Gallagher and/or he wanted some chocolate and souvenirs and the shop is closed.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 17, 2017, 07:48:48 PM
He could be refreshing the thread with the pictures of Kirsty Gallagher and/or he wanted some chocolate and souvenirs and the shop is closed.

Or he's found out we've sold Lukaku and him staying that was the sole reason Sandro signed.

Said no-one ever. David James.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Trowel on July 21, 2017, 01:19:57 PM
Been waiting for this...
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/888281139420381186
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blue1948 on July 21, 2017, 01:27:41 PM
Been waiting for this...
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/888281139420381186
He looks pretty good from that ,plenty of power in his shots .
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 21, 2017, 01:32:05 PM
Been waiting for this...
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/888281139420381186

Rifle of a boot.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 21, 2017, 01:56:05 PM
As it stands he'd start on the right of a front 3? Rooney as CF and Mirrallas/Lookman on the left?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: ally2 on July 21, 2017, 02:01:00 PM
Can't wait to see him play. Reckon he'll play 9 with Rooney 10. Someone else on the right
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluedylan on July 21, 2017, 02:21:30 PM
Love a striker that smashes a shot. Loads of top spin on it and like an arrow.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 21, 2017, 02:25:21 PM
Fuck me!

He fucking leathers it! Awesome!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 21, 2017, 02:27:55 PM
I know everyone is waiting for Giroud or a big CF signing but I am really excited to see this guy play for us and even if we didn't get another striker in - I would expect him and Rooney as an interchangeable front two would be a nightmare to defend against and make real nuisances of themselves.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: mikey_blue on July 21, 2017, 02:46:07 PM
I'd like to see him playing in a 2 up front, with a Giroud type player to link him in, or as a 9 on his own. Although I think the general consensus is that he will play on the left, I'm not a fan of playing anyone out of their natural position.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 21, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: mikey_blue on July 21, 2017, 02:53:19 PM

I'll probably get slated for this, but he does have a bit of a Suarez (early days) style about him, with his movement and passing range.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lazarou on July 21, 2017, 02:56:01 PM

I'm In!

He looks boss doesn't he? Cannot see why he wont do well in the Premier League as well. Wonder when we will see him in action?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Morta75 on July 21, 2017, 02:58:18 PM
Going to be great this guy, thats my prediction. Good work rate and great finishing skills. Looking forward to see him in a game. Maybe Genk tomorrow...
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 21, 2017, 03:02:56 PM
He's going to score more in the league for us next season than Lukaku will for Utd.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 21, 2017, 03:07:18 PM
I get very excited about that video, do like the comparison with Suarez. Looks an aggressive, all action type who likes to get a shot away, and looks to get power on his shots.

My concern is that I read an article someone shared on here about expected goals, etc. Apparently, Sandro had a bit of a freak season and scored a high portion of unexpected goals (twice the amount of Messi, Ronaldo) and should have probably scored around 6 or 7 goals.

I'm expecting a bit of a drop off this season but think he'll be quality even with the smaller goal return, just judging by his style and impact on a game. A bit like Suarez when he first came over, wasn't the big goalscorer he is now (or before at Ajax) but then all of a sudden that all came together too.

Exciting
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: plowman2 on July 21, 2017, 03:09:43 PM
I'll probably get slated for this, but he does have a bit of a Suarez (early days) style about him, with his movement and passing range.
Hope so! ( the Suarez part, not you getting slated!)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueNoseMike on July 21, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
He's going to score more in the league for us next season than Lukaku will for Utd.

I'd take that bet mate. Let's not expect too much. I think he'd have done well get double figures next season, I'd take that if he is to be a wide player. Lukaku will get 20+ again next year.

Where I do think Sandro will outdo Lukaku is his overall impact on the team. He'll hustle and press, stretch teams and link up a shit load more than Rom ever did. This will hopefully provide goals for other players
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 21, 2017, 03:14:06 PM
He's going to score more in the league for us next season than Lukaku will for Utd.

Not too sure about that.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 21, 2017, 03:15:11 PM
Lads, I'm merely making myself comfortable on the bandwagon.... c'mon!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lazarou on July 21, 2017, 03:17:34 PM
Hope so! ( the Suarez part, not you getting slated!)

I always felt with Suarez apart from being a knob was that other teams got so hung up trying to play him it made Sturridge & Sterling look better than they actually are. If Sandro can bring some of that to EFC we will be in for a treat.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: kewns23 on July 21, 2017, 03:25:38 PM
I think he may do well as its first season syndrome and defenders will not have learn how to cope with him yet,

Think him, Rooney & klassen will be boss at link up play can't wait too see all 3 together!!!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 21, 2017, 03:29:37 PM
I think he may do well as its first season syndrome and defenders will not have learn how to cope with him yet,

Think him, Rooney & klassen will be boss at link up play can't wait too see all 3 together!!!

I agree. However an injury to him and we're a bit threadbare again. Need another proven striker in as a priority in my opinion.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: kewns23 on July 21, 2017, 03:34:38 PM
I agree. However an injury to him and we're a bit threadbare again. Need another proven striker in as a priority in my opinion.

I think we need another two, plus defender and possible winger but then am greedy lol
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 21, 2017, 03:35:25 PM
Hoping to see him get some time on the pitch against Genk tomorrow
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on July 21, 2017, 05:37:40 PM
Judging by the videos we are putting up and our activity in the transfer market, looks like we're going to be doing a lot of wing play with crosses into the box.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: hill135 on July 21, 2017, 05:39:54 PM
He looks well good in that vid. A few lucky deflections but also a few unlucky ones hitting the woodwork. Also didn't know he can smash in a free kick like that.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: gizzblue on July 21, 2017, 05:42:00 PM
Judging by the videos we are putting up and our activity in the transfer market, looks like we're going to be doing a lot of wing play with crosses into the box.
I agree but we still need a certain powerful header of the ball to complete the set 😅.

Sandro will be amazing.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 21, 2017, 06:12:28 PM
I get very excited about that video, do like the comparison with Suarez. Looks an aggressive, all action type who likes to get a shot away, and looks to get power on his shots.

My concern is that I read an article someone shared on here about expected goals, etc. Apparently, Sandro had a bit of a freak season and scored a high portion of unexpected goals (twice the amount of Messi, Ronaldo) and should have probably scored around 6 or 7 goals.

I'm expecting a bit of a drop off this season but think he'll be quality even with the smaller goal return, just judging by his style and impact on a game. A bit like Suarez when he first came over, wasn't the big goalscorer he is now (or before at Ajax) but then all of a sudden that all came together too.

Exciting

Hoping for 10 from him but we'll have to see how he develops over the course of the season.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Polledreng on July 21, 2017, 06:17:28 PM
Hoping to see him get some time on the pitch against Genk tomorrow
on my Way back from holiday in Croatia... taken a shortcut to Denmark via Genk so hope him and our new keeper will get 45 minuttes each
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2017, 06:27:28 PM
Judging by the videos we are putting up and our activity in the transfer market, looks like we're going to be doing a lot of wing play with crosses into the box.

And yet we don't have the players to play that way.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2017, 06:51:01 PM
Think it's just for technique isn't it?

Just shooting from straight in front of the goal wouldn't be too beneficial I wouldn't have thought.

Although I'm sure we did one / two then shoot on a vid the other day.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MrWhite on July 21, 2017, 07:57:24 PM
Has anyone come up with a song yet? I think we're gonna need one
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 21, 2017, 08:07:45 PM
Whenever i see his name i can't help singing the andrei, andrei kanchelskis, andrei, andrei Kancheslskis song in my head.

But this guy isn't from the former USSR, so i'm looking forward to something replacing it.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 21, 2017, 08:08:00 PM
Surely some sort of variation on Oh Sandy from Grease

Edit : this will be more appropriate when he leaves us for Atletico and we are heart broken
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 21, 2017, 08:09:11 PM
Sandro
Sandro
Sandro
Sandro
Sandro

Repeat to fade
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 21, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
or

Boom boom boom let me here you say Sandro (Sand-rooo)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toffee1 on July 21, 2017, 08:24:13 PM
All that is needed is to change Sandro.

Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Confucius on July 21, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
Oh when will you be mine...

Tell me Sandro Sandro Sandroooo. To the tune of engelbert humperdink
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 21, 2017, 08:42:35 PM
olť Sandro, olť Sandro, olť Sandro, olť!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluedylan on July 21, 2017, 08:44:26 PM
Can you hear the drums, Mr. Sandro?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: plowman2 on July 21, 2017, 08:57:38 PM
Hope we get Athletic Club Bilbao in the EL. He seems to like playing against them!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Ross on July 21, 2017, 09:02:31 PM
Oh today I'm off to watch the game Viva our Sandro
He's short and bald but ere's his name Viva our Sandro
Just score por favor
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 21, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
To the tune of Dean Martin's That's Amore.

When a shot hits the net like a big fuck off pie
That's Ramirez

Someone else can finish it off, I'm shit at songs.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 21, 2017, 09:25:01 PM
Going to be the business.

Surprise package linked to united by Christmas.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2017, 09:25:49 PM
He'll get 20 in all competitions assuming we do okay in the cups
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Polledreng on July 21, 2017, 10:17:29 PM
To the tune of Dean Martin's That's Amore.

When a shot hits the net like a big fuck off pie
That's Ramirez

Someone else can finish it off, I'm shit at songs.
Great start though
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 21, 2017, 10:41:28 PM
He'll get 20 in all competitions assuming we do okay in the cups

Of course he will.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GLewis on July 21, 2017, 10:57:35 PM
Koeman confirmed starting tomorrow.

Is it an ask for him and Pickford to be ready for Thursday?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: arteta4spain on July 21, 2017, 11:02:22 PM
How about Enter Sand(ro)man?
Think that'd be interesting. Imagine he scores and the Gwladys going off with this. Haha more injuries than a Martinez pre season! 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: arteta4spain on July 21, 2017, 11:16:42 PM
To the tune of Dean Martin's That's Amore.

When a shot hits the net like a big fuck off pie
That's Ramirez

Someone else can finish it off, I'm shit at songs.
When the ball hits the net
Has he broken it yet?
That's Ramirez.
When you feed it through
He'll score past you
That's Ramirez
Spines will ting ting a ling a ling
And we'll sing Sandro Ramirez
Wont play tiki taka play tiki taka play
With Sandro Ramirez.

Haha not sure that'll work tho. And I doubt we'll play tiki taka! 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 21, 2017, 11:28:26 PM
Of course he will.

I'm willing to bet you. 500 quid says he gets 20 in all competitions.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Trowel on July 22, 2017, 12:06:14 AM
Koeman confirmed starting tomorrow.
Bit old isn't he?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 22, 2017, 12:35:37 AM
I'm willing to bet you. 500 quid says he gets 20 in all competitions.

I hope you're right. I'm just surprised you're so sure before he's even pulled on the shirt or played a minute of football in this country.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 22, 2017, 01:11:42 AM
I hope you're right. I'm just surprised you're so sure before he's even pulled on the shirt or played a minute of football in this country.

Take the bet lad.

That would be spicy that, two forum heavyweights with 500 beans on the line.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 22, 2017, 01:41:05 AM
Take the bet lad.

That would be spicy that, two forum heavyweights with 500 beans on the line.

Ha! It'd be a silly bet to take as I wouldn't want to win it. For the same reason I never have any of the top 6 in my weekend accas.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 22, 2017, 01:43:35 AM
When the ball hits the net
Has he broken it yet?
That's Ramirez.
When you feed it through
He'll score past you
That's Ramirez
Spines will ting ting a ling a ling
And we'll sing Sandro Ramirez
We'll play tiki taka play tiki taka play
With Sandro Ramirez.

Haha not sure that'll work tho. And I doubt we'll play tiki taka! 😂😂😂


haha I thought about the tiki taka, why don't we say we won't play it? :)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: TheTone on July 22, 2017, 01:43:43 AM
Sandro to score more against the Sky 6 sides  :whistle:
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 22, 2017, 01:47:29 AM
Lads...he's the best player I've ever seen.  10 minutes of scrimmage action tomorrow, and surely you will all agree!  :D
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: gizzblue on July 22, 2017, 02:01:20 AM
Not being greedy or anything ....just beat Lukakus half season 25 last year ... ..and he will be legend forever ...even if he fucks off to Athletic mad after .
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 22, 2017, 02:08:30 AM
Ha! It'd be a silly bet to take as I wouldn't want to win it. For the same reason I never have any of the top 6 in my weekend accas.

Gamble!! Be a bit of interest for the season. Plus imagine your delight when he squares it to rooney for a last minute winner in the Europa league final leaving him on 19
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 22, 2017, 02:20:01 AM
Realistically talking we've had one 20 goal striker in the last 10 years so if my man gets 10, 12, 15, we should be overjoyed.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 22, 2017, 03:00:14 AM
Anything more than 10 is a bonus. Irrespective of his apparent wage I think it's unfair to expect more in his first season.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MartinVerogoe on July 25, 2017, 02:55:39 AM
Sandro Ramirez had unbelievable huge overperforming in last season. He scored 14 with just 7 expected goals,  also 0.27 xG per 90 minutes is a very small numbers for CF. Weak player.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Simon Paul on July 25, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
my nephews are on holiday in Malaga and had their hair done by the lad who does the hair cuts for the Malaga team

said Sandro was great
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Ridge on July 25, 2017, 03:57:42 AM
my nephews are on holiday in Malaga and had their hair done by the lad who does the hair cuts for the Malaga team

said Sandro was great

Just 0.5 all over, job done.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Robioto on July 25, 2017, 04:21:47 AM
Sandro Ramirez had unbelievable huge overperforming in last season. He scored 14 with just 7 expected goals,  also 0.27 xG per 90 minutes is a very small numbers for CF. Weak player.

Let's see how he gets on first before branding him a 'weak player'.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 25, 2017, 04:36:48 AM
Sandro Ramirez had unbelievable huge overperforming in last season. He scored 14 with just 7 expected goals,  also 0.27 xG per 90 minutes is a very small numbers for CF. Weak player.

I get the logic but the team the played in basically restricted him to difficult efforts from distance and bad angles.

I will be very interested to see what numbers he puts up with a more footballing team around him.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Goaljira on July 25, 2017, 05:04:12 AM
Sandro Ramirez had unbelievable huge overperforming in last season. He scored 14 with just 7 expected goals,  also 0.27 xG per 90 minutes is a very small numbers for CF. Weak player.
Good job we've only paid 3 shades of fuck all for him then, isnt it.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Escla on July 25, 2017, 12:50:43 PM
Sandro Ramirez had unbelievable huge overperforming in last season. He scored 14 with just 7 expected goals,  also 0.27 xG per 90 minutes is a very small numbers for CF. Weak player.

Your very first post and it's just to do a downer on one of our latest signings, agenda here? Kopite?
Strange !
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 25, 2017, 01:01:11 PM
'Expected goals'

What an absolutely fucking useless stat that is.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 25, 2017, 01:50:20 PM
'Expected goals'

What an absolutely fucking useless stat that is.

How so mate?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GLewis on July 25, 2017, 02:07:56 PM
'Expected goals'

What an absolutely fucking useless stat that is.

In a singular usage like that it's maybe not that great as he'll be playing in a different team.

But you could use it for assessing your attack over a whole season or your defence.

Eg if you average 50 goals a season then one season score 70 but 15, say, are from ridiculous angles and distances then it's unlikely that your increase will be repeated again the next season.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: TheTone on July 25, 2017, 02:09:30 PM
Looks shit in training eh  :whistle:

https://www.thickaccent.com/2017/07/24/training-footage-shows-everton-new-boy-sandro-ramirez-knows-how-to-finish-and-then-some/
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lazarou on July 25, 2017, 02:19:58 PM
Looks shit in training eh  :whistle:

https://www.thickaccent.com/2017/07/24/training-footage-shows-everton-new-boy-sandro-ramirez-knows-how-to-finish-and-then-some/

His finishing looks sweet and that cross for Rooney on Saturday was delicious not seen us cross like that for a while.

I predict he is a definitely a footballer.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 25, 2017, 03:06:06 PM
'Expected goals'

What an absolutely fucking useless stat that is.

Agree with this.

Would love someone to tell me how the measurable metric for 'expected' is worked out.

Sounds bizarrely nonsensical.

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/964ace4ef5d0a1792309f1fd81df0f9a/tumblr_mklj2mMqgD1qc5z2oo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: sam of the south on July 25, 2017, 03:10:30 PM
Looks shit in training eh  :whistle:

https://www.thickaccent.com/2017/07/24/training-footage-shows-everton-new-boy-sandro-ramirez-knows-how-to-finish-and-then-some/

Boards don't hit back 😉

Only joking, he looks superb 👍🏼
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 25, 2017, 03:44:51 PM
How so mate?

There are so many variables in each situation with absolutely nothing to measure against.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 25, 2017, 04:07:09 PM
There are so many variables in each situation with absolutely nothing to measure against.

i hope somebody has told our new data analyst about this
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: cantoffee on July 25, 2017, 06:17:22 PM
In a singular usage like that it's maybe not that great as he'll be playing in a different team.

But you could use it for assessing your attack over a whole season or your defence.

Eg if you average 50 goals a season then one season score 70 but 15, say, are from ridiculous angles and distances then it's unlikely that your increase will be repeated again the next season.
Any chance you are referencing our first season under Martinez?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 25, 2017, 06:25:09 PM
Boards don't hit back 😉

Only joking, he looks superb 👍🏼

Gutted I can't give you more likes for this! But I won't focus on the smaller picture....


(https://68.media.tumblr.com/2d156b3dbcd6d48e5558755153d9250c/tumblr_okjtc0EGGD1vlgfsvo3_500.gif)


Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GLewis on July 25, 2017, 06:28:32 PM
Any chance you are referencing our first season under Martinez?

At both ends...

But yes, that is a good example. We scored quite a lot of long rangers that haven't been seen since. 

Also we had quite a few games where Howard made good (not spectacular so not memorable) stops from good (for the opposition) positions.

Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: rochdaleblue on July 25, 2017, 07:46:52 PM
Sandro Ramirez had unbelievable huge overperforming in last season. He scored 14 with just 7
expected goals,  also 0.27 xG per 90 minutes is a very small numbers for CF. Weak player.
I'd much rather have an 'over performing' goalscorer in our team, than an 'under performing' one. Kone, Beattie, Jo, etc. etc.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Confucius on July 25, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
Sandro Ramirez had unbelievable huge overperforming in last season. He scored 14 with just 7 expected goals,  also 0.27 xG per 90 minutes is a very small numbers for CF. Weak player.

Well you have a terrible expected posts number compared to actual posts.

Weak poster.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: gizzblue on July 25, 2017, 08:17:04 PM
Haha some people's glass  is emptier than a gobshite kopites ..... weak c.f. 😅😅😅 tell us again at Christmas he's weak. ...but I rekon you will be hiding .
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Goaljira on July 25, 2017, 08:29:16 PM
'Expected goals'

What an absolutely fucking useless stat that is.

Notice how this stat only came about after Tony Hibbert had retired.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Outworlder47 on July 25, 2017, 10:47:17 PM
Agree with this.

Would love someone to tell me how the measurable metric for 'expected' is worked out.

Sounds bizarrely nonsensical.


Several different methods that all get to the same general outcome. I like this explanation: http://11tegen11.net/2014/08/07/expected-goals-2-0-some-light-in-the-black-box/

Basically, the xG model looks at match situation (open play, set piece, PK, etc), league level, scoreline, shot location/angle to goal, header vs typical shot, distance, and type of buildup (cross, through ball, counter attack, etc), and weights each of these based on how much they contribute to a goal, and how often.
<Nerd alert> For the good xG models, this is fed into a multivariate analysis based on a large set of previous goal attempts that generates a sort of equation that you can feed all the relevant info into for a particular attempt/game/season/whatever to determine the expectation vs actual outcome </Nerd alert>

Essentially, it weighs all the things that we might expect to contribute to a goal, based on how much they tend to impact actual goals being scored. For Sandro, we've seen from shot charts that last season he scored a lot of goals from tight angles--these shots by nature will have low expectations for conversion. Now, it could be luck or it could be genuine skill, so how he performs this season will go far to answering that question.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 26, 2017, 01:37:00 AM
Do we have an expected to fall over in the penalty box stat?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cereal Killer on July 26, 2017, 01:38:47 AM
Do we have an expected to fall over in the penalty box stat?

Ashley Young broke all records so that statistic was condemned for all eternity
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 26, 2017, 01:48:00 AM
Ashley Young broke all records so that statistic was condemned for all eternity
I was thinking more along the lines of Andy Johnson.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 26, 2017, 03:12:05 AM
Several different methods that all get to the same general outcome. I like this explanation: http://11tegen11.net/2014/08/07/expected-goals-2-0-some-light-in-the-black-box/

Basically, the xG model looks at match situation (open play, set piece, PK, etc), league level, scoreline, shot location/angle to goal, header vs typical shot, distance, and type of buildup (cross, through ball, counter attack, etc), and weights each of these based on how much they contribute to a goal, and how often.
<Nerd alert> For the good xG models, this is fed into a multivariate analysis based on a large set of previous goal attempts that generates a sort of equation that you can feed all the relevant info into for a particular attempt/game/season/whatever to determine the expectation vs actual outcome </Nerd alert>

Essentially, it weighs all the things that we might expect to contribute to a goal, based on how much they tend to impact actual goals being scored. For Sandro, we've seen from shot charts that last season he scored a lot of goals from tight angles--these shots by nature will have low expectations for conversion. Now, it could be luck or it could be genuine skill, so how he performs this season will go far to answering that question.

It's worth pointing out that the elite players regularly overperform. They get tons of chances and they finish them. Not saying he's going to be elite but he's clearly got a bit of the spectacular in the old locker.

Also as I say his team generally didn't create nice chances for him, so his xg was naturally a bit low.

The chances he did get seem to have been 25-30 yard bangers rather than edge of the 6 yard box side footers.

I was concerned when I saw his highlight reel, because generally you don't score 8 25 yard bangers a year every year, but I'm still backing him. Think he's going to be a real baller.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: van der Meyde on July 26, 2017, 03:28:18 AM
Also as I say his team generally didn't create nice chances for him, so his xg was naturally a bit low.
Corollary of that though is that perhaps he wasn't making the right runs though? Or perhaps he wasn't good at creating high xG chances for himself?

It's not really anything any of us can assess from a YouTube video. :)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 26, 2017, 05:15:44 AM
Corollary of that though is that perhaps he wasn't making the right runs though? Or perhaps he wasn't good at creating high xG chances for himself?

It's not really anything any of us can assess from a YouTube video. :)

Not sure, going off an article I read apparently the team were more whipping it in to a veteran target man and that isn't sandro's game.

Re: creating chances himself it's a good point. One thing we will never be able to replace is that once every few games Lukaku would turn into a 16 stone peak Torres and burn off a CB giving himself a one on one. Very few strikers in the world can do that, just turn on the half way line and get the other side of a defender. He was phenomenal at making chances for himself which was handy because we weren't great at making good chances.

I know next to f all about how Sandro plays but from what I've read and seen, I am backing him. Strikes a ball very well, physically very good, technique looks very good, that assist for Rooney was class as well. Can't wait to watch him.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: van der Meyde on July 26, 2017, 01:50:29 PM
Not sure, going off an article I read apparently the team were more whipping it in to a veteran target man and that isn't sandro's game.

Re: creating chances himself it's a good point. One thing we will never be able to replace is that once every few games Lukaku would turn into a 16 stone peak Torres and burn off a CB giving himself a one on one. Very few strikers in the world can do that, just turn on the half way line and get the other side of a defender. He was phenomenal at making chances for himself which was handy because we weren't great at making good chances.

I know next to f all about how Sandro plays but from what I've read and seen, I am backing him. Strikes a ball very well, physically very good, technique looks very good, that assist for Rooney was class as well. Can't wait to watch him.
I read the same article, but the author openly admits that on top of the data driven stuff he does, the rest is usually based on the same 10 minute YouTube videos we all watch. :)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 26, 2017, 04:36:14 PM
Several different methods that all get to the same general outcome. I like this explanation: http://11tegen11.net/2014/08/07/expected-goals-2-0-some-light-in-the-black-box/

Basically, the xG model looks at match situation (open play, set piece, PK, etc), league level, scoreline, shot location/angle to goal, header vs typical shot, distance, and type of buildup (cross, through ball, counter attack, etc), and weights each of these based on how much they contribute to a goal, and how often.
<Nerd alert> For the good xG models, this is fed into a multivariate analysis based on a large set of previous goal attempts that generates a sort of equation that you can feed all the relevant info into for a particular attempt/game/season/whatever to determine the expectation vs actual outcome </Nerd alert>

Essentially, it weighs all the things that we might expect to contribute to a goal, based on how much they tend to impact actual goals being scored. For Sandro, we've seen from shot charts that last season he scored a lot of goals from tight angles--these shots by nature will have low expectations for conversion. Now, it could be luck or it could be genuine skill, so how he performs this season will go far to answering that question.

                                                (https://orcaflotta.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/yaystats.gif?w=240)

Not having a single word of this.

Yeah the nerd brigade might have this tried and tested and it might all stack up to them, but it will always be The Beautiful Game to me and be judged not by computers but by the human eye.

Tell me someone's stats are good - that's fine, I'll take that on board, but I'll judge the player for myself when they're on the pitch, not on the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 26, 2017, 04:37:40 PM
Several different methods that all get to the same general outcome. I like this explanation: http://11tegen11.net/2014/08/07/expected-goals-2-0-some-light-in-the-black-box/

Basically, the xG model looks at match situation (open play, set piece, PK, etc), league level, scoreline, shot location/angle to goal, header vs typical shot, distance, and type of buildup (cross, through ball, counter attack, etc), and weights each of these based on how much they contribute to a goal, and how often.
<Nerd alert> For the good xG models, this is fed into a multivariate analysis based on a large set of previous goal attempts that generates a sort of equation that you can feed all the relevant info into for a particular attempt/game/season/whatever to determine the expectation vs actual outcome </Nerd alert>

Essentially, it weighs all the things that we might expect to contribute to a goal, based on how much they tend to impact actual goals being scored. For Sandro, we've seen from shot charts that last season he scored a lot of goals from tight angles--these shots by nature will have low expectations for conversion. Now, it could be luck or it could be genuine skill, so how he performs this season will go far to answering that question.

P.S. - genuinely - Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me in such detail. It is much appreciated and no disrespect intended my friend!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 26, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
                                                (https://orcaflotta.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/yaystats.gif?w=240)

Not having a single word of this.

Yeah the nerd brigade might have this tried and tested and it might all stack up to them, but it will always be The Beautiful Game to me and be judged not by computers but by the human eye.

Tell me someone's stats are good - that's fine, I'll take that on board, but I'll judge the player for myself when they're on the pitch, not on the spreadsheet.

You're that guy brad Pitt fires in the second act.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 26, 2017, 09:37:48 PM
I can well imagine Rooney taking him to one side, with Mirallas to make things easier like, and telling him to just keep making runs off the back of the defender and I'll find you.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Ridge on July 26, 2017, 10:41:56 PM
Here's a good read about the subject.

I just think he's been very clinical, the goals are precision strikes, with 5 goals from free kicks, very few deflections. It's not like he's not taken easy chances, he just didn't get a huge amount of them. Despite being at Malaga, you would still want him to have had more shots from prime locations. But he scores goals from further out, from tougher circumstances, a player who makes a breakthrough. We can have someone else who pokes around the 6 yard box to bring on.

I'd be interested given his shot map, shots per game, and presumably eagerness to shoot, how similar his profile is to Harry Kane. At a closer range Kane scores more and remains clinical, but he still scores from a way out, with early shots from limited touches.

https://twitter.com/footballfactman/status/882304662539579393
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 26, 2017, 11:58:38 PM
all the Sandro goals ive seen look to be precision/placement, he hardly ever just lashes it hoping that its on target n goes in.
i think he will do amazingly well, like Costa in his first season for Chelsea.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Outworlder47 on July 28, 2017, 12:11:28 AM
P.S. - genuinely - Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me in such detail. It is much appreciated and no disrespect intended my friend!

No problem! I've been a baseball fan my whole life (being American), and as such have seen the impact advanced statistical analysis has had on the sport. There's a lot that can be learned from the spreadsheets, but as you said it's the Beautiful Game, and there's a limit to what stats can tell you.

Baseball is very much a sequence of discrete events, so it's in some ways much easier to analyze. Football is so fluid that it's that much tougher to get a concrete picture of the state of things at any particular instant.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 28, 2017, 05:39:40 AM
You're that guy brad Pitt fires in the second act.

Presuming you're referencing Moneyball?

Any good? Not seen it.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Sir Stealth on July 28, 2017, 05:51:19 AM
Considering shaving my head and getting sleeve tats and also becoming more handsome and better at football and younger

God I wish I was Sandro
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 28, 2017, 06:33:58 AM
Get excited lads.

Atleti know what the fuck they're doing and we've stolen a march on the footballing world
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 28, 2017, 06:42:47 AM
Yeah he looked good Sandro, exciting.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 28, 2017, 08:50:39 AM
Hopefully 1st name on the sheet next game and the rest of the team picked to best
serve him, very talented guy on our hands lets make the most of him.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 28, 2017, 09:00:19 AM
yeah, he's an every match starter if his body is up to it (for me).  He's fucking incredible.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 28, 2017, 09:03:56 AM
Looked quicker than I had him pegged for too, always a bonus.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 28, 2017, 01:17:19 PM
This lad's the cats pyjamas.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on July 28, 2017, 02:13:32 PM
Looked exciting didnt he.

Think he will instantly become a fan favorite.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Robioto on July 28, 2017, 03:31:41 PM
Thought he looked great. But he did show that he isn't really a centre forward, he kept coming deep to get the ball, which is fine, but it futher shows the need for a new striker, thankfully Koeman agrees.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 28, 2017, 04:02:52 PM
Blob on, but seeing the glass as half full, we arent that far away really.

Sandro is a very decent player, his main attributes are movement and being a pain in the arse all over the front line.
Rooney is a decent player still and his main (of many) attributes is footballing (at least) intelligence and coming deep for the ball and dictating an attack.

Put them together and there isnt a proper striker in the box very often.

Add a target man striker to them two and we have a deadly attack (Dzeko or a Giroud)

It's not all about pace, as quality, intelligence and movement add just as much if not more. But inject a little pace back in the side - the good old Baines and Coleman (hurry back!) combo - getting forward, with defensive mids dropping back. We have Gana, Schneids and others that can drop back, but width/pace needs to be addressed. Bolasie will be back soon too.

We need a little more creativity and a bit more knowhow from midfield, as we are often short of ideas and slow building up with far, far too many passes back to the defenders/keeper. To address this and improve our set piece threat and not to mention increase our goal tally we need someone that can come in now and do a job straight away (Sigurdsson).

Strengthen our ageing heart of defence and build-up play from the back, as Williams and Jags are getting on a bit now and will make more mistakes (Smalling)

Stek did ok last night, but play Pickford from now and stick with him.

End the Barkley and Sigurdsson dramas, and put a bit more investment into these areas, and I reckon we will surprise a few with our league position after our horrendous opening 6 fixtures! But do it soon, so we are a bit more gelled and fit and ready for it come the start, in 15 days!!!!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: ihatecollina on July 28, 2017, 04:11:37 PM
Blob on, but seeing the glass as half full, we arent that far away really.

Sandro is a very decent player, his main attributes are movement and being a pain in the arse all over the front line.
Rooney is a decent player still and his main (of many) attributes is footballing (at least) intelligence and coming deep for the ball and dictating an attack.

Put them together and there isnt a proper striker in the box very often.

Add a target man striker to them two and we have a deadly attack (Dzeko or a Giroud)

It's not all about pace, as quality, intelligence and movement add just as much if not more. But inject a little pace back in the side - the good old Baines and Coleman (hurry back!) combo - getting forward, with defensive mids dropping back. We have Gana, Schneids and others that can drop back, but width/pace needs to be addressed. Bolasie will be back soon too.

We need a little more creativity and a bit more knowhow from midfield, as we are often short of ideas and slow building up with far, far too many passes back to the defenders/keeper. To address this and improve our set piece threat and not to mention increase our goal tally we need someone that can come in now and do a job straight away (Sigurdsson).

Strengthen our ageing heart of defence and build-up play from the back, as Williams and Jags are getting on a bit now and will make more mistakes (Smalling)

Stek did ok last night, but play Pickford from now and stick with him.

End the Barkley and Sigurdsson dramas, and put a bit more investment into these areas, and I reckon we will surprise a few with our league position after our horrendous opening 6 fixtures! But do it soon, so we are a bit more gelled and fit and ready for it come the start, in 15 days!!!!

well said and well put that man....
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 28, 2017, 04:21:22 PM
Movement. Loved it. With Rooney behind him we'd need some genuine desire to get into the box from other players out wide though.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: velimski on July 28, 2017, 04:25:54 PM
Movement. Loved it. With Rooney behind him we'd need some genuine desire to get into the box from other players out wide though.

I prefer the idea of Klaassen playing behind him.
Which then begs the question "where/how does Rooney fit into this team'?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blue1948 on July 28, 2017, 04:27:45 PM
Movement. Loved it. With Rooney behind him we'd need some genuine desire to get into the box from other players out wide though.
Time to gel as said before .
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 28, 2017, 04:28:34 PM
I prefer the idea of Klaassen playing behind him.
Which then begs the question "where/how does Rooney fit into this team'?

I think he fits into the squad quite well. He'll be in the team as and when Koeman thinks he's needed. Hopefully we'll be fluid with our selections this season and not predictable like in recent years.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 28, 2017, 04:41:11 PM
Agreed. That's the key word "fluid". That is when we are at our best, with players like Rooney, Sandro, Klassen buzzing around - fluid play. We are at our worst when we are dicking around, passing backwards and fucking around at the back, when you JUST KNOW that someone is going to make a blooper and other teams, like they do, always seem to punish us for it. Fluidity comes from talent and work-rate, the more established, talented hard working players we have the better imo. We dont need to look for one attribute, like pace, or size, but we need to look for players that have consistently shown ability and importantly the right attitude to working as a component in a team to work together and win a football game. Luckily its looking like we have a few players in this mould to play a decent style of football, but there are one or two that we need to replace - weak links in the chain so to speak. Koeman and the board know this, we just have to get behind them, and just hope they invest in one or two more class acts.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 28, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
Just realise Sandro looks like the love child of Leon Osman and Roberto Martinez.

Once seen, can't be unseen...

https://twitter.com/everton/status/890682777380769792
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 28, 2017, 09:22:05 PM
Just realise Sandro looks like the love child of Leon Osman and Roberto Martinez.

Once seen, can't be unseen...

https://twitter.com/everton/status/890682777380769792


Will be interesting to see how his English is in a year's time.

Looking forward to seeing him play for us finally.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 28, 2017, 09:37:27 PM
Blob on, but seeing the glass as half full, we arent that far away really.

Sandro is a very decent player, his main attributes are movement and being a pain in the arse all over the front line.
Rooney is a decent player still and his main (of many) attributes is footballing (at least) intelligence and coming deep for the ball and dictating an attack.

Put them together and there isnt a proper striker in the box very often.

Add a target man striker to them two and we have a deadly attack (Dzeko or a Giroud)

It's not all about pace, as quality, intelligence and movement add just as much if not more. But inject a little pace back in the side - the good old Baines and Coleman (hurry back!) combo - getting forward, with defensive mids dropping back. We have Gana, Schneids and others that can drop back, but width/pace needs to be addressed. Bolasie will be back soon too.

We need a little more creativity and a bit more knowhow from midfield, as we are often short of ideas and slow building up with far, far too many passes back to the defenders/keeper. To address this and improve our set piece threat and not to mention increase our goal tally we need someone that can come in now and do a job straight away (Sigurdsson).

Strengthen our ageing heart of defence and build-up play from the back, as Williams and Jags are getting on a bit now and will make more mistakes (Smalling)

Stek did ok last night, but play Pickford from now and stick with him.

End the Barkley and Sigurdsson dramas, and put a bit more investment into these areas, and I reckon we will surprise a few with our league position after our horrendous opening 6 fixtures! But do it soon, so we are a bit more gelled and fit and ready for it come the start, in 15 days!!!!

Giroud in the middle, with Sandro, Rooney, and/or Sigurdsson moving around him could be a deadly combination.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 28, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
I prefer the idea of Klaassen playing behind him.
Which then begs the question "where/how does Rooney fit into this team'?

Rooney moving around and finding space = good.

Rooney being force fed like a "target man" (i.e., before Sandro came on) = bad.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GLewis on July 29, 2017, 01:20:41 AM
I prefer the idea of Klaassen playing behind him.
Which then begs the question "where/how does Rooney fit into this team'?

Think he'll generally have a free role, nominally either side of the traditional striker.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 30, 2017, 02:29:32 PM
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sandro-ramirezs-everton-journey-messi-13404504
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on July 30, 2017, 02:39:58 PM
We've missed the players who can link midfield to attack. Even when we had Lukaku as a focal point sometimes we just couldn't get it to him and played some great football over the first 2 thirds of the pitch - only to run out of ideas and lose the ball at the edge of the box.

Now we have Rooney, Klaasen, Sandro and possibly Sigurdsson who can provide those clever, defence-unlocking passes in the final third but we still do need a focal point.

It's the one missing piece of the jigsaw now. I know we have other areas we'd like to see strengthened (like CB and out wide), but a Giroud type player would really focus the attack and allow those link up players to support and be involved in the attack themselves.

This is where I expect Sandro to flourish. When he's not necessarily the focal point, but pulling strings and popping up where he's not wanted.

This lad has grade A movement. He's a professional Pest of the highest order.

Love him.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on July 30, 2017, 04:57:31 PM
Id like to see him given the start in the second leg. Looked great when he came on.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 31, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
Think he will quickly establish himself as undroppable and first name on the team sheet.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 08, 2017, 09:40:24 PM
Chelsea looking to make surprise move for Everton flop
https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/chelsea-looking-make-surprise-move-everton-flop/
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 08, 2017, 09:42:52 PM
Can see both him and Klaassen getting the boot in January or the summer.

Real shame we haven't been able to try and ease them in properly cos of his this shite start.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 08, 2017, 09:43:50 PM
Can see both him and Klaassen getting the boot in January or the summer.

Real shame we haven't been able to try and ease them in properly cos of his this shite start.

I think there's no excuses for how they've been used. It's not like we haven't had problems in their positions all season long.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluenose 91 on November 08, 2017, 09:45:41 PM
I think there's no excuses for how they've been used. It's not like we haven't had problems in their positions all season long.

Agree with that more in regards to Sandro.  Thought he actually started reasonably well then got injured and hasn't had a look in since.

Klaassen struggled more with each game though and you could see why he wouldn't be risked in the middle of the park in such a bad run.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Audrey Horne on November 08, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
Sandro will turn out boss.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 08, 2017, 10:12:59 PM
He's clearly got talent and wouldn't be the first young Spaniard to struggle initially with English football. He's one I'd bear with, especially due to the fact he cost buttons and we can recoup it back any time we like. 
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: hill135 on November 08, 2017, 10:18:56 PM
Read some stats on the Guardian website. Across his game time so far Klaasen has made 50-odd passes and two tackles. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 08, 2017, 10:22:32 PM
Read some stats on the Guardian website. Across his game time so far Klaasen has made 50-odd passes and two tackles. Great stuff.

Most of those passes were to the opposition against Lyon at home and the two tackles definitely weren't in that game.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on November 08, 2017, 11:41:42 PM
I like both. Both have been terrible so far but I like them both.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on November 09, 2017, 01:19:16 AM
Still think it's too early to write off either tbh.

Sandro has been nothing short of a flat out embarrassment so far though.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 09, 2017, 01:47:47 AM
Has Sandro actually played bad in any match? Or has he just not had the chance to prove himself.

I think it's harsh to say he's been an embarrassment.
Title: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: kramer0 on November 09, 2017, 01:55:49 AM
Has Sandro actually played bad in any match? Or has he just not had the chance to prove himself.

I think it's harsh to say he's been an embarrassment.

Agreed that he hasn't had enough chances to prove himself but...

...Lyon at Goodison. Every ball passed his way bounced off of him. Even as a sub lacking match sharpness, it was brutal.

His crossing/passing ability is interesting but early performances have me a little worried that he can't control the ball.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Brownie on November 09, 2017, 02:05:48 AM
Still think it's too early to write off either tbh.

Sandro has been nothing short of a flat out embarrassment so far though.

My like is for the first bit, not the second part
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blueToffee on November 09, 2017, 02:14:34 AM
Agreed that he hasn't had enough chances to prove himself but...

...Lyon at Goodison. Every ball passed his way bounced off of him. Even as a sub lacking match sharpness, it was brutal.

His crossing/passing ability is interesting but early performances have me a little worried that he can't control the ball.

He can't have come through Barca without the basics. You'd have to think given a run (which in fairness he's really not had) he'd show more.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 09, 2017, 02:18:55 AM
Agreed that he hasn't had enough chances to prove himself but...

...Lyon at Goodison. Every ball passed his way bounced off of him. Even as a sub lacking match sharpness, it was brutal.

His crossing/passing ability is interesting but early performances have me a little worried that he can't control the ball.

It can only be lack of match minutes though.

The lad is clearly talented. A goal in every 2 starts in la liga, a few assists along with a handful of MOTM performances doesn't happen if you've not got something about you.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on November 09, 2017, 02:24:56 AM
It's weird how his opportunities have been so thin. He looks to have the ability, just needs minutes and to be played in the right position.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on November 09, 2017, 02:25:21 AM
He does have a locker, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: gizzblue on November 09, 2017, 02:28:14 AM
Can't see why Sandro has been pushed out tbh not as if our other forwards have been any good ...he hasn't been great but still streets ahead of klassen ... but I still think both will come good given time on the pitch .
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 09, 2017, 02:28:30 AM
He needs a forward to play off
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: gizzblue on November 09, 2017, 02:59:29 AM
He needs a forward to play off
Can you inagine him playing off Niasse ....no one on earth would know whats gonna happen 😅😅
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on November 09, 2017, 03:02:35 AM
Surely we could of started a new thread instead of dig up this one
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 09, 2017, 03:16:38 AM
Surely we could of started a new thread instead of big up this one

Big up big up!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Major Clanger on November 09, 2017, 03:19:34 AM
I can see how Sandro can possibly turn it around, as he's a busy player, he gets involved in play.

Klaassen is the exact opposite, unless something radically changes in his game (which is unlikely), it's probably best for all parties to cut their losses and move him on.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: TheRam on November 09, 2017, 03:24:31 AM
Both been vile shite
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on November 09, 2017, 04:16:16 AM
Give them games in the Europa league. Here is the team
Pickford
Kenny Keane Feeney Holgate
Beni Gueye
Lookman Klassen Mirralis
Sandro

Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: TheTone on November 09, 2017, 04:22:57 AM
Looks a nervous wreck

Not sure he'll make it here at all sadly

He was the one signing I was looking forward to seeing the most

Big let down
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 09, 2017, 04:41:07 AM
Hate to see him go in Jan. Be just our luck to see him score 10 or 12 in half a season playing for someone else
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on November 09, 2017, 05:09:15 AM
I think Sandro will come good. He's still very young, which is easy to forget looking at him. Bring him into a team in for, with less pressure to perform and we'll see the player he was showing to be in Spain.

Klaassen though, I don't see what he offers. Looks like a lost little lamb.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on November 09, 2017, 06:30:51 AM
Just think weíve been so bad as a team tactically and individually.

Sandro and Klaassen have been let downs, but I would like to see them both in a semi functioning team.

Sandro surely has the potential to do something individually good which is what weíre looking at say lookman for at the moment.

Klaassenís whole game is finishing chances tho or working hard for someone else to get a chance rather than picking someone out with a bit of skill or something individually brilliant. Heís a pure team player and has good finishing...well the teams a mess and weíve not made any chances for him.

Tim Cahill similarities from Klaassen, stylistically, while Sandro hopefully has a few more levels he can hit.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Juanito on November 09, 2017, 01:38:45 PM
He is only 22. Needs to be given more time to get up the pace of the league, in a side that has a clue and he will be fine. Hopefully that will be Everton.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Hawkandro on November 09, 2017, 02:28:06 PM
I cannot understand why he hasn't been given more of a chance?

Maybe Unsworth is making a point, maybe he is diabolical in training, who knows?

Really want to see him and Klaassen do well here though.

Plus, if rumours of Chelsea being interested in him are true, then how can he deemed good enough for the Champions, but not us?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: plumber on November 09, 2017, 03:03:59 PM
I cannot understand why he hasn't been given more of a chance?

Because he's been utter crap whenever he's been given a chance?

I'm not saying he should be written off yet, but the fact is he's been worse than any other attacking player so far.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 09, 2017, 03:11:03 PM
Heads were falling off everywhere in the summer when it looked like he might not sign. Usually the same people who were shouting for some guy called Lemos who allegedly would have been perfect too.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Europa League bound:

1)Robles/Stek
2)Kenny/Connolly
6)Feeney
5)Williams(Capt)
3)Holgate
7)Lookman
8)Klaassen
4)Baningime
11)Vlasic
10)Henen/Barkley
9)Sandro



Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Sir Stealth on November 09, 2017, 03:52:58 PM
Outrageous if Sandro and Klaassen don't both play the full 90 in both remaining europa games
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 03:58:46 PM
Absolutely - no brainer, surely?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on November 09, 2017, 04:00:29 PM
Sandro will come good.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: hill135 on November 09, 2017, 04:16:14 PM
Think he looks like absolute tat to be honest.

There's a long list of players who have slammed them in in Spain only to come up short in the Prem. I also remember those stats floating about when he signed that all his goals were free kicks, long shots, or shots from weird angles which wouldn't ordinarily go in. Maybe we should have looked at these when we scouted him.

Las Palmas or Celta Vigo next summer.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: TheRam on November 09, 2017, 04:29:48 PM
Heads were falling off everywhere in the summer when it looked like he might not sign. Usually the same people who were shouting for some guy called Lemos who allegedly would have been perfect too.

Yeah let's just stick to decent premier league players from now on.

That's doing really well for us.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueBeagle on November 09, 2017, 04:35:39 PM
Looking a bit Iago Aspas
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 09, 2017, 04:55:01 PM
Yeah let's just stick to decent premier league players from now on.

That's doing really well for us.

That's not my point. The hysteria that accompanied a potential £5m signing from Malaga falling through was totally out of proportion, based on a few youtube clips. A seasoned La Liga watcher might have said he's a young lad, a bit raw and might take a bit of time to settle so I wouldn't put your house on him but suddenly we had all these Everton fans welcoming him as the second coming and then wobbling when he decided to take a bit of time to think about it.

Still, there's always Lemos though.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 04:57:10 PM
Every player has his price

What are Chelsea offering? £45m? Done deal!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Silas on November 09, 2017, 05:00:18 PM
Give the lad a break he's barely featured. Pretty sure he is better than what he's shown.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueForYou on November 09, 2017, 05:11:08 PM
Begs the question:

How long do you give a player? (As long as Niasse?)

Begs another question:

How long do you give a caretaker manager?

Decisions, decisions
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: van der Meyde on November 09, 2017, 05:17:38 PM
Think he looks like absolute tat to be honest.

There's a long list of players who have slammed them in in Spain only to come up short in the Prem. I also remember those stats floating about when he signed that all his goals were free kicks, long shots, or shots from weird angles which wouldn't ordinarily go in. Maybe we should have looked at these when we scouted him.

Las Palmas or Celta Vigo next summer.
I was about to bring up Niasse's video as an example, but actually it's nowhere near as bad as I remembered it.

He actually looks pretty good on it, nowhere near as many goals scored sat on the deck as I thought there were!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: SANA_DR0 on November 09, 2017, 06:52:12 PM
Outrageous if Sandro and Klaassen don't both play the full 90 in both remaining europa games

Sandro needs a striker with him tho, he plays more like a false 9, most of the times when ive seen him play. he's been at left back or in our own half defending.. you cant see what these players offer if all they're doing is tracking back..

surely we have enough players in our squad to do the tracking, letting the attackers be attackers.. or did we buy sandro to be an attacking James McCarthy.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on November 09, 2017, 07:15:53 PM
Heads were falling off everywhere in the summer when it looked like he might not sign. Usually the same people who were shouting for some guy called Lemos who allegedly would have been perfect too.

Don't think my head was falling off exactly but I was keen on Sandro and I did also really want Lemos - but as a goalscoring, free-kick-taking left-sided CB.

With Fumo out, Keane yet to find his stride and Williams being Williams - I don't think the shouts for Lemos were unreasonable.

With Sandro though, he does seem to have great ability on YouTube - now if we could just get him to play like that on grass....
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cassius on November 10, 2017, 01:53:50 AM
Sandro needs a run of games. Before then, I don't think anyone here knows for sure whether he'll make it or not. We've not seen enough of him to properly judge.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: bluenuck on November 10, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
That's not my point. The hysteria that accompanied a potential £5m signing from Malaga falling through was totally out of proportion, based on a few youtube clips. A seasoned La Liga watcher might have said he's a young lad, a bit raw and might take a bit of time to settle so I wouldn't put your house on him but suddenly we had all these Everton fans welcoming him as the second coming and then wobbling when he decided to take a bit of time to think about it.

Still, there's always Lemos though.

"Hysteria"? C'mon,man.

Guy was in the extreme cheap and scored 14 in La liga.

I was interested, and excited to see what he could do, but hysteria? Nah. That's the wrong word.

Why do I feel like listening to def leppard all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: mikey_blue on November 19, 2017, 06:19:39 AM
Did well today. Hopefully see a little bit more from him in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 06:21:53 AM
Looked decent when he came on ....deffo needs minutes .
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: everton1952 on November 19, 2017, 06:22:26 AM
Did he? What did he do well? He was invisible on MOD.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: bluestevie on November 19, 2017, 06:25:23 AM
Did he? What did he do well? He was invisible on MOD.

Made some good runs in the channels, got a couple of decent balls in and was unlucky with a header
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on November 19, 2017, 06:27:35 AM
Did he? What did he do well? He was invisible on MOD.

That's because MOTD is trying to squeeze 90 minutes into about 5 minutes, and Sandro was only on the pitch for 14 minutes.

He looked quite sharp, his passing range looked quite decent, sharp precise long range passes, he also made a nuisance of himself up front. Considering he hasn't played in ages, I thought he played well.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: ally2 on November 19, 2017, 06:35:31 AM
I saw nothing from him today that I haven't seen before. And I mean that in a good way. Here's always looked sharp, shown quality and run hard. The only issue for me so far with him is that he looked a little bit weak physically earlier in the season but it was absurd to come to any judgements about him then when he had just arrived. We have to stand by our players and support them, let them flourish. It's too easy to criticise everyone.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blueski on November 19, 2017, 06:37:15 AM
This is the right kind of appearance for a bit -just get his confidence up with some cameos in the right situations
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 07:05:47 AM
Did he? What did he do well? He was invisible on MOD.
Rule 1 don't ever trust motfd for a realistic look at an Everton match .
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Gash on November 19, 2017, 07:13:53 AM
Did he? What did he do well? He was invisible on MOD.

Haha! The resident season ticket holder that moans when people form an opinion having not been at the game is now forming an opinion on a small segment from Match of the Day. Nice one.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on November 19, 2017, 01:52:17 PM
Thought he looked bright yesterday. Needs that first goal though.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: everton1952 on November 19, 2017, 02:03:25 PM
Haha! The resident season ticket holder that moans when people form an opinion having not been at the game is now forming an opinion on a small segment from Match of the Day. Nice one.
Well said.  As it wasn't on TV I wondered how judgement was made. Of course he may have been at Selhurst Park to see it.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Escla on November 19, 2017, 03:03:26 PM
Sandro needs a run of games. Before then, I don't think anyone here knows for sure whether he'll make it or not. We've not seen enough of him to properly judge.

Agree, he should start on Thursday and play 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 19, 2017, 03:16:44 PM
Well said.  As it wasn't on TV I wondered how judgement was made. Of course he may have been at Selhurst Park to see it.

People watch it via streaming as its on tv overseas. He looked bright pressed well and made simple and effective passes forward and out wide
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 19, 2017, 03:27:15 PM
People watch it via streaming as its on tv overseas. He looked bright pressed well and made simple and effective passes forward and out wide

He did the basics well you mean. Which is an improvement from not staying on his feet. I suppose we're grasping at straws with this lad at the minute.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueNoseMike on November 19, 2017, 03:53:54 PM
He did the basics well you mean. Which is an improvement from not staying on his feet. I suppose we're grasping at straws with this lad at the minute.

I suppose yeah. Thought he made animpact as a sub, nipped the ball off a couple of their players, as did Calvert Lewin. There's signs
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on November 25, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
How was he?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 25, 2017, 12:40:16 AM
How was he?
Nice goal aside.... Poor
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: TheRam on November 25, 2017, 12:41:57 AM
How was he?

Lively and looked a threat.

Few poor touches and gives the ball away very cheaply but you can see he's got something about him.

Boss goal and did his chances no harm for Sunday.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Escla on November 25, 2017, 12:42:26 AM
How was he?

Scored a goal, missed a good opportunity (wasn't the "sitter" that some have described it as) made some excellent movements butthey were all playing like they'd never met before, this guy needs time and hope he gets it at Southampton.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on November 25, 2017, 12:52:05 AM
Anyone got his goal? I missed it.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Gash on November 25, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
That goal was well taken and will hopefully settle him a little and boost his confidence. His first touch at times makes him look like Lukaku could do 100 keepy uppies though. :)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Escla on November 25, 2017, 02:41:03 AM
Anyone got his goal? I missed it.

Everyone's got his goal ? It's on the O.S. Match highlights.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 25, 2017, 02:46:25 AM
I donít like the way he sometimes has the McGeady habit of somehow trying to run through solid objects, only to act like heís on the top diving board at the pool to try and get something out of it.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 03, 2018, 02:44:23 PM
Whatís happened to him? Not even in the squad list in the OS app.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: dunkster on July 03, 2018, 03:29:51 PM
Was he not present at training yesterday?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Escla on July 03, 2018, 04:10:39 PM
Yes, he was back at Finch Farm yesterday.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Gash on July 03, 2018, 04:14:24 PM
Whatís happened to him? Not even in the squad list in the OS app.

He is on the main site, number 9.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2018, 04:29:52 PM
Reckon he'll have a role to play this season, or Silva will at least try and use him. If he went out on loan we'd have to subsidise his wages anyway so we may as well try and untap some of the potential he has playing under a manager and in a style that may suit him.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 03, 2018, 04:53:43 PM
He's shit, sell him

Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Juanito on July 03, 2018, 05:02:15 PM
I am sure this has an effect on team morale and cohesion when a player that doesnít make the first team (Klaassen, Sandro) earn a lot more than experienced regulars.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 03, 2018, 05:11:48 PM
Keen to see him given another chance under Silva, more so than I am Klaassen in all honesty.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on July 03, 2018, 05:19:41 PM
One of the absolute worst piles of shite I have ever seen in an Everton shirt.

Absolutely distraught he is earning more than Coleman and is the number 9 of all numbers.

However, second chances and all that he might flourish under Silva who knows.

Given we bought him for around 5.2M whatever he was surely we could make decent profit on him.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Simon Paul on July 03, 2018, 05:21:46 PM
One of the absolute worst piles of shite I have ever seen in an Everton shirt.

Absolutely distraught he is earning more than Coleman and is the number 9 of all numbers.

However, second chances and all that he might flourish under Silva who knows.

Given we bought him for around 5.2M whatever he was surely we could make decent profit on him.
Anderson Silva says hi
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 03, 2018, 05:30:41 PM
One of the absolute worst piles of shite I have ever seen in an Everton shirt.

How old are you, out of interest?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: stirlingblue on July 03, 2018, 06:33:15 PM
Iím not normally one for short numbers but surely we canít be going into next season with him having the number 9 shirt
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 03, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
I am sure this has an effect on team morale and cohesion when a player that doesn’t make the first team (Klaassen, Sandro) earn a lot more than experienced regulars.

I think that's fair. Although I'd expect the more experienced players to be a bit more mature about it and see it as just a consequence of disjointed squad planning than any reflection on on their status.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on July 03, 2018, 07:21:26 PM
How old are you, out of interest?

30! 😜
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Shogun on July 03, 2018, 07:25:04 PM
Iím not normally one for short numbers but surely we canít be going into next season with him having the number 9 shirt

Nine is quite a short number, perhaps 79 next year?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Juanito on July 03, 2018, 07:49:42 PM
30! 😜

Before Brett Angell and Stuart Barlow led the line.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Escla on July 03, 2018, 07:53:56 PM
Caption competition !

Iíll kick it off.  ďBoss, Boss, i havenít got a locker ? Silva - ď err, you need to talk to MarcelĒ


https://24liveblog.tradingfront.cn/event/2028144752151597619/20180703121109_203557.jpg
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on July 03, 2018, 08:00:03 PM
Before Brett Angell and Stuart Barlow led the line.

Sort of why I said that I had ever seen. Only had hazy memories of those 2 but seen enough highlights! Stuart Barlow admittedly looked hilarious when he ran.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 03, 2018, 08:03:39 PM
Caption competition !

Iíll kick it off.  ďBoss, Boss, i havenít got a locker ? Silva - ď err, you need to talk to MarcelĒ


https://24liveblog.tradingfront.cn/event/2028144752151597619/20180703121109_203557.jpg

"Boss, I look older than you and I'm only 21!"
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Goaljira on July 03, 2018, 08:17:36 PM
We'll see a better Sandro this season.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Makis on July 03, 2018, 08:37:05 PM
Before Brett Angell and Stuart Barlow led the line.
Jigsaw wasn't that bad except for finishing but Angell was ridiculous. And I actually saw him score.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Brownie on July 03, 2018, 09:12:14 PM
Jigsaw wasn't that bad except for finishing but Angell was ridiculous. And I actually saw him score.

Chelsea 4-2 - almost missed an open goal from 2 yards after it came off his shin. Celebrated like a boss though
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: D15TIN on July 03, 2018, 09:28:11 PM
We'll see a better Sandro this season.
..in la liga
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Juanito on July 03, 2018, 10:33:21 PM
Jigsaw wasn't that bad except for finishing but Angell was ridiculous. And I actually saw him score.

But he was called jigsaw because he fell to pieces in the box and he was a striker....
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Makis on July 03, 2018, 10:45:33 PM
But he was called jigsaw because he fell to pieces in the box and he was a striker....
Not the only poor striker poor at that. Can't even start to compare him to Angell.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: eugene on July 03, 2018, 10:47:58 PM
One of the absolute worst piles of shite I have ever seen in an Everton shirt.

Absolutely distraught he is earning more than Coleman and is the number 9 of all numbers.

However, second chances and all that he might flourish under Silva who knows.

Given we bought him for around 5.2M whatever he was surely we could make decent profit on him.
But he wonít get the money elsewhere so itís catch 22
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: eugene on July 03, 2018, 10:49:44 PM
Before Brett Angell and Stuart Barlow led the line.
Donít forget earl Barrett
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: eugene on July 03, 2018, 10:52:24 PM
Brett Angel the film out at the time was white men cant jump!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Makis on July 03, 2018, 11:39:47 PM
Donít forget earl Barrett
Barrett was quality compared to some of the fullbacks at the time. Who was that fullback who was bought from Tranmere by HK? Or what about Marc Hottiger?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GLewis on July 03, 2018, 11:43:46 PM
Barrett was quality compared to some of the fullbacks at the time. Who was that fullback who was bought from Tranmere by HK? Or what about Marc Hottiger?

Tony Thomas.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: boothill on July 03, 2018, 11:57:50 PM
Not the only poor striker poor at that. Can't even start to compare him to Angell.
big nev said he had a 1st touch like a half volley
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: School of Science on July 03, 2018, 11:59:31 PM
Brett Angel the film out at the time was white men cant jump!

Jump ! He could barely walk, probably the worst striker I've seen play for us.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 04, 2018, 12:52:50 AM
He is on the main site, number 9.

Cheers. The app is somewhat out of date......
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Juanito on July 04, 2018, 01:58:14 AM
Barrett was quality compared to some of the fullbacks at the time. Who was that fullback who was bought from Tranmere by HK? Or what about Marc Hottiger?

What about Ray Atteveld?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 04, 2018, 04:17:24 AM
30! 😜

In that case your previous statement was a lie.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on July 04, 2018, 04:25:06 AM
In that case your previous statement was a lie.

That's your opinion.

Not backing down and I am also far from blinkered.

Hes awful in the true context of what was expected of him.

Never seen anyone look less like a footballer.

Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 04, 2018, 04:32:58 AM
Never seen anyone look less like a footballer.

We're pretty much the same age, and I can categorically say that we have had far worse players represent us in the past 30 years.

You should wright headlines for the tabloids, such is your sensationalism.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on July 04, 2018, 01:22:49 PM
We're pretty much the same age, and I can categorically say that we have had far worse players represent us in the past 30 years.

You should wright headlines for the tabloids, such is your sensationalism.

Im not under the same impression. The lads awful, would love him to prove me wrong but I can't see it.

You are not far off actually as I intended to get into Journalism, in some ways though I actually went pretty easy on Sandro given what I actually said about him in contrast to how shite I do believe he is.

Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Morta75 on July 05, 2018, 02:41:10 PM
Had big hopes for this guy... Been shit so fare. but maybe he could be a player again under Silva and his 4-3-3... okay work rate
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 05, 2018, 03:14:23 PM
Be good if he decided to give it another go under the new management team.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 05, 2018, 03:18:33 PM
I'm of the hopeful opinion he can't be as bad as he showed last season. He's young, pacey and has shown in the past he can score goals, on paper he's what we need. You'd like to think with a bit of confidence, a manager who backs him and a year older and wiser he might be an asset this season. Maybe.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2018, 03:40:08 PM
Come on lads, he's not good enough, cut our loses and get rid.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 05, 2018, 03:43:45 PM
Come on lads, he's not good enough, cut our loses and get rid.

I think therein lies the problem. Even if we did get rid it'd cost us a lot of money so in the absence of a long list of suitors we may have to try and use him. 
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2018, 03:47:05 PM
He must be our highest earner now with Rooney gone, another reason to get rid.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: howard1334 on July 05, 2018, 03:52:35 PM
Come on lads, he's not good enough, cut our loses and get rid.

Hard to know whether that is true or not with confidence. Barca pedigree; high scoring season with Malaga; interest from Atletico and Sevilla; Spain u-21 regular. Yes, last year he flopped for us, no question. But the sample size is small. I think he should be given at least until January to prove his worth.

He is capable of this great run and finish:

https://www.facebook.com/Everton/videos/sandro's-first-everton-goal-%EF%BF%BD/10154605696641277/
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on July 05, 2018, 03:58:06 PM
Hard to know whether that is true or not with confidence. Barca pedigree; high scoring season with Malaga; interest from Atletico and Sevilla; Spain u-21 regular. Yes, last year he flopped for us, no question. But the sample size is small. I think he should be given at least until January to prove his worth.

He is capable of this great run and finish:

https://www.facebook.com/Everton/videos/sandro's-first-everton-goal-%EF%BF%BD/10154605696641277/

He probably will stay, unless a Spanish club comes in for him
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: dunkster on July 05, 2018, 03:59:04 PM
I think most of our players could potentially turn things around with the new manager, formation and tactics. But if silva and Brands are looking to take squad down to 25 WITH new additions. Can't see how like a of sandro can avoid that cull
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 04:01:50 PM
I think most of our players could potentially turn things around with the new manager, formation and tactics. But if silva and Brands are looking to take squad down to 25 WITH new additions. Can't see how like a of sandro can avoid that cull

I think the thing with Sandro is he doesnt look like he can play up front on his own or as a kind of wide forward like Rashford at Man Utd. So why keep him?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 05, 2018, 04:37:13 PM
I think the thing with Sandro is he doesnt look like he can play up front on his own or as a kind of wide forward like Rashford at Man Utd. So why keep him?

Probably because we only have two other players who can play the wide forward role in Walcott and Lookman, three at a push in DCL. If our priorities lie elsewhere in squad strengthening and the limitless budget is a thing of the past then it may be a case of needs must.
It'll all come down to how successful we are in trimming the other members of the squad I presume.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Juanito on July 05, 2018, 04:39:20 PM
I think the thing with Sandro is he doesnt look like he can play up front on his own or as a kind of wide forward like Rashford at Man Utd. So why keep him?

He might not be too bad in a pressing side as one of the front 3 in a 4-3-3 but as a sub. He does have calibre.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 05, 2018, 04:41:48 PM
and the limitless budget is a thing of the past

it's not.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Thomas on July 05, 2018, 04:44:16 PM
it's not.

Even Man City can say no (See Sanchez)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 05, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
That's not down to them not having an unlimited amount to spend though.
That's just down to them not feeling the player was worth the asking price.

If Brands and Silva thought we needed to spend £200m on players then we would spend that.
It's just the fact that we're spending a lot of money on wages for players that wont get near the starting 11 so they have chosen to deal with that first. this is why people somehow now think we're being conservative with money.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 05, 2018, 05:15:33 PM
Even Man City can say no (See Sanchez)

Which is easy to do when you have half a dozen top notch players in that position, and knowing you will get 1 or 2 more soon after ;)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 05, 2018, 05:21:16 PM
The only bright spot is that Sandro looks so unhappy he may be willing to come to a compromise over his contract to force a move.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 05, 2018, 05:28:30 PM
From what we've seen of Sandro so far, overall, I dont think many of us care too much what he does for the minimal amount we paid. Perhaps getting him off the wage books, and adding that money to Lookmans or hopefully Henry Onyekuru's* wages to secure them - as they seem hungry, and very talented, and probably more suited to a Silva team.

*whenever the fuck we can secure his contract on UK soil.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 05, 2018, 05:44:56 PM
it's not.

It may well come back in the future but they've been quite explicit in saying the current way of operating isn't sustainable.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on July 05, 2018, 05:46:59 PM
I think they meant whilst we have a squad of a million players. When we get down to a couple of dozen FIRST teamers, by trimming a dozen pieces of dead wood THEN THAT will be sustainable. 3 or 4 average players out = 1 or 2 good ones in. x 4 at least :)
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mick 1995 on July 05, 2018, 05:52:50 PM
It may well come back in the future but they've been quite explicit in saying the current way of operating isn't sustainable.

Nope, they've been explicit in saying the squad is too big and they want to assess & trim that before buying for buyings sake.
They've even gone as far as to hint that we may have paid over the odds for players recently.

But, if they turn around and say "Bid £88m+£1 for Ronaldo" now then the board are sorting that out and turning on the fax machine this afternoon.
That's the difference. We still have what is (for all intents and purposes) an unlimited budget. We just have 2 people in charge that believe a lean squad & value for money is the best way of breaking into the top 6.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 05, 2018, 08:28:45 PM
He might not be too bad in a pressing side as one of the front 3 in a 4-3-3 but as a sub. He does have calibre.

And Silva wants to play a 4-3-3
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Shogun on July 06, 2018, 01:23:15 AM
If he canít do it under Silva then he never will but definitely deserves a chance.

Not going to lose any value by keeping hold of him, only issue is stupid wages.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: eugene on July 06, 2018, 01:38:21 AM
And he wonít get the same wages elsewhere so why would he push for a move? Unless he improves drastically we are stuck with him unless he goes on loan and we get at least half his wages paid.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: plumber on July 06, 2018, 01:49:46 AM
And he wonít get the same wages elsewhere so why would he push for a move? Unless he improves drastically we are stuck with him unless he goes on loan and we get at least half his wages paid.

That's the problem. Our squad is full of utter dross on astronomical wages. It's very difficult to sell players like Sandro, Klaassen and Mirallas. Sadly loans till their death is the most realistic option.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Ross on July 06, 2018, 01:53:49 AM
Hopefully heís brought his boots over with him this time and doesnít need to play in those slippers.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Normm on July 06, 2018, 06:24:35 AM
When Sandro started last year, I thought he was a great signing, having performed well in Spain. He probably thought Everton would be great for him also. Little did we expect the chaos and bizarre managerial events and decisions that followed. To be honest, quite a few members of the squad lost their way and under-performed last year - and no wonder!

Still, I can't really blame the young stars for not shining very brightly with the coaching mistakes of last year. Sandro and others deserve another chance - after all, we are giving one to Marco. Hopefully, this year will be like last year never happened and all will be well!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Juanito on July 06, 2018, 06:03:21 PM
It took Eriksen a year to acclimatise.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Polledreng on July 06, 2018, 06:05:00 PM
It took Eriksen a year to acclimatise.
and I thought he never wouldÖ. How wrong I was
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Juanito on July 06, 2018, 06:17:25 PM
And Silva wants to play a 4-3-3

Thatís why I have a little more hope about him. Rather than a rigid 4-2-3-1 where he wouldnít fit into. He seems like more of a wide forward to me.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 06, 2018, 10:19:38 PM
Is he back in training or self imposed exile?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Gash on July 06, 2018, 10:45:29 PM
Is he back in training or self imposed exile?

Back, someone posted a picture of him talking to Silva the other day.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 06, 2018, 10:53:52 PM
Back, someone posted a picture of him talking to Silva the other day.

Aye, just seen him in the vid on the os.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Hesmenos on July 07, 2018, 12:15:11 AM
Barrett was quality compared to some of the fullbacks at the time. Who was that fullback who was bought from Tranmere by HK? Or what about Marc Hottiger?
I didn't mind Barrett. I understood the idea of Barrett. John O'Kane finished me off though. I was watching him when it dawned on me that the good old days where well and truely gone and never to come back. It was also when I realised that Kendall was finished as a manager.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on July 07, 2018, 12:57:33 AM
It took Eriksen a year to acclimatise.

Soccernomics says give a player 2 years to adapt. More if there is a culture shock.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: gizzblue on July 07, 2018, 01:00:14 AM
Hope the lad kicks on and now becomes the player we actually bought ....with a progressive manager behind him .
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: MmmblueBernard on July 15, 2018, 12:07:49 AM
When your team score 21 goals in a game and youíre the only forward who doesnít get the on the scoresheet....
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Confucius on July 15, 2018, 12:09:51 AM
When your team score 21 goals in a game and you're the only forward who doesn't get the on the scoresheet....

Thatís Ramirez!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2018, 12:13:56 AM
Thatís Ramirez!

Ha!
Title: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: kramer0 on July 15, 2018, 12:24:29 AM
I'm not ready to write him off yet.

I am ready to mock Koeman and Walsh for thinking he was a goalscorer, though. Morons. Maybe look at a shot map or something.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2018, 12:24:52 AM
Did alright to be fair. Squared a few passes for others to score in better positions. You listening Kev?
Title: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: kramer0 on July 15, 2018, 12:26:22 AM
Did alright to be fair. Squared a few passes for others to score in better positions. You listening Kev?

Agreed. I think we need to adjust our opinions on what type of player he is.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2018, 12:28:11 AM
Agreed. I think we need to adjust our opinions on what type of player he is.

Silva looks like he's going with your wide forward option, rather than a striker. Makes sense.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 15, 2018, 12:29:20 AM
I'm not ready to write him off yet.

I am ready to mock Koeman and Walsh for thinking he was a goalscorer, though. Morons. Maybe look at a shot map or something.

We did all our business based on fantasy football points and a refusal to take no for an answer
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on July 15, 2018, 01:37:52 AM
He's just shit and that's it, not on his own though.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Confucius on July 15, 2018, 02:20:33 AM
Did alright to be fair. Squared a few passes for others to score in better positions. You listening Kev?

Itís one thing to hate a player who messed up or whatever but you canít really when he scored 5. Itís like complaining cos he scored and didnít assist someone else.

Rather silly.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Alanvideo on July 15, 2018, 02:33:05 AM
It’s one thing to hate a player who messed up or whatever but you can’t really when he scored 5. It’s like complaining cos he scored and didn’t assist someone else.

Rather silly.

.................no it isn't silly at all. He's let the side down on so many occasions. Yes , he's scored 5 in a friendly against a pub team but if he was any good he wouldn't have been there ,he would have been with the Belgian squad. I don't hate Mirallas ,I just would prefer if he was moved on.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Waltzer on July 15, 2018, 02:51:43 AM
.................no it isn't silly at all. He's let the side down on so many occasions. Yes , he's scored 5 in a friendly against a pub team but if he was any good he wouldn't have been there ,he would have been with the Belgian squad. I don't hate Mirallas ,I just would prefer if he was moved on.
I generally agree but the Belgium thing shouldn't be used as a sign of a bad player, nainggolan didn't make their squad either and he'd piss it into our team
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: eugene on July 15, 2018, 02:53:36 AM
That's Ramirez!
Brilliant to amore
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: eugene on July 15, 2018, 02:57:14 AM
.................no it isn't silly at all. He's let the side down on so many occasions. Yes , he's scored 5 in a friendly against a pub team but if he was any good he wouldn't have been there ,he would have been with the Belgian squad. I don't hate Mirallas ,I just would prefer if he was moved on.
Canít stand him myself heís a self centred bully
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 15, 2018, 03:04:36 AM
Seriously cba with Mirallas mate. Wish we didnít give him that contract, itís proving really difficult to get him shifted because of that.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Dr. Sponge on July 15, 2018, 03:26:20 AM
Mirallas does seem like an immense tool, but none of us really know that for sure. One thing I am certain of though, is that heís gone missing for 3 or 4 years under a number of managers and is now past his peak. We need an upgrade.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on July 15, 2018, 03:28:47 AM
No-oneís matching Mirallas or Sandroís contracts so they might be here this season too.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: toffee_scot on July 15, 2018, 05:49:40 AM
Just been reading the first 3 pages of this thread, amazing to think how optimistic many of us including myself were feeling that we were making all these early signings and thought Koeman and Walsh actually had a plan.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Shogun on July 15, 2018, 05:54:27 AM
I'll be surprised if things work out for him.

I get playing in a new country can be a hindrance but unless you actually want to make it work then the situation isn't going to improve and I get the sense that's the case with Sandro.

He couldn't wait to go to Sevilla in January and was speaking about how desperate he was for a move the moment he returned.

Think he's shown a pretty shoddy attitude since he got here, tbh.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Gash on July 15, 2018, 06:05:58 AM
Think he's shown a pretty shoddy attitude since he got here, tbh.

A bit like Mirallas.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Shogun on July 15, 2018, 06:12:54 AM
A bit like Mirallas.

*Puts on ignore list*
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2018, 08:38:32 AM
Agreed. I think we need to adjust our opinions on what type of player he is.

Yep, he's a forward, not a striker.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2018, 08:43:04 AM
Think we need to steer clear of Barca rejects from now on. Theyíre just like Utd rejects...
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2018, 09:15:18 AM
It’s one thing to hate a player who messed up or whatever but you can’t really when he scored 5. It’s like complaining cos he scored and didn’t assist someone else.

Rather silly.


He puts himself before the team, and has done so on numerous occasions, Mr Contrarian, as you well know.

Let Dowell take the free kick. Nah, I'm Kevin Mirallas and I drive around in a gold Bentley like a massive bellend. I'll take it.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2018, 09:19:10 AM
He puts himself before the team, and has done so on numerous occasions, Mr Contrarian, as you well know.

Let Dowell take the free kick. Nah, I'm Kevin Mirallas and I drive around in a gold Bentley like a massive bellend. I'll take it.

If I was on a 6 min hat trick I'd be pulling rank too.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2018, 09:22:21 AM
If I was on a 6 min hat trick I'd be pulling rank too.

You might be joking, not sure, but I certainly wouldn't be. We're playing a bunch of amateurs, and we're trying to encourage the young players in the squad. No one gives a fuck if Kev bags a meaningless hat-trick against a pub team. The man is ego on legs (but without the talent or the performance to back that ego up). I'll be pretty gutted if he's still here in August.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2018, 09:31:28 AM
Nah, not joking. In that position, I'd be doing the same. I don't see anything wrong with it. Whether you like him or not, if he's going to play a part this season you want and need him to perform. If bagging 5 goals in a pre-season game gives him confidence to go into the new season then great, it's for the greater good. It's not about what you want to see, as critical as that may sound.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: howard1334 on July 15, 2018, 10:53:48 AM
You might be joking, not sure, but I certainly wouldn't be. We're playing a bunch of amateurs, and we're trying to encourage the young players in the squad. No one gives a fuck if Kev bags a meaningless hat-trick against a pub team. The man is ego on legs (but without the talent or the performance to back that ego up). I'll be pretty gutted if he's still here in August.

Bit over the top in your criticism of him. As are many on here. Probably should move him on if we can, but I don't think he is the horrible person you and others on this forum like to make him out to be. I'm sure i'll be slated for this opinion. But I just don't think the evidence of him being a bad person is as prevalent or dispositive as you seem to think it is. The best you can say is that he is overly confident in his abilities and can be a bit selfish -- making him much like most of the other attacking players in the Prem.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2018, 12:45:50 PM
Bit over the top in your criticism of him. As are many on here. Probably should move him on if we can, but I don't think he is the horrible person you and others on this forum like to make me out to be. I'm sure i'll be slated for this opinion -- made out to be an apologist for him. But I just don't think the evidence of him being a bad person is as prevalent or dispositive as you seem to think it is. The best you can say is that he is overly confident in his abilities and can be a bit selfish -- making him much like most of the other attacking players in the Prem.

No, it's fine mate. You're entitled to your view. I wouldn't dream of thinking of him as a 'bad person', how could I comment on that? But for me, he overestimates his own ability significantly and isn't a team player in any way. Wish he'd have gone a few seasons back. But yeah, feel free to disagree.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GLewis on July 15, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
When youíre career at a club goes down the pan, seemingly in direct correlation with stealing a pen of the designated taker, then itís pretty hard to forget if he does something similar.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cods on July 15, 2018, 01:14:53 PM
Mirallasí flickers of brilliance should rate him as one of the best players at our club.  He has pace, can dribble and beat a player, has a good rate of scoring from free kicks, and is arguably suited to our new formation. These attributes (except pace) shouldnít diminish, and should be rediscoverable.

The lack of consistency and perhaps his attitude when things donít go his way is obviously what reduces his rating. And with experience his attitude should change for the better.

He is a player that is looking out for himself as is every other player at this club.

Iíd be very surprised if any one of our players is going to give up an opportunity to help out another when it may hinder their own chances, especially when theyíre not a regular.
 
It is Ďcompetition for placesí after all, the growth of the squad as a whole is the managerís job.

The same goes for Sandro too. We need to find what it is that he is missing as he could definitely be the player we need.  I donít think that you can become a poor player overnight.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bluedylan on July 15, 2018, 02:20:11 PM
Nah, it's a team sport. You don't do anything or achieve anything in football without your team-mates, no matter how good you are. I think that single-minded, driven thing is great if you're a tennis player or an athlete, but you have to have respect for your team-mates and your place in the team in football. Messi and Ronaldo can't do a thing if they don't get the ball. That's why they pretty much all say 'I'm just happy to help the team' or 'it's not about me, it's about the team'.

As most of us probably have, I've played a few team sports at a very amateur level, and the dynamics of the changing room are absolutely crucial. If someone walks around like Billy Big Bollocks but doesn't back it up, other players just lose respect for that player and it becomes an issue.

Kev's had the penalty thing. He also got sent home from training by Unsworth. There's probably other stuff I've forgotten. He drives around in a gold Bentley. I don't think you need to be particularly adept at psychology to have a rough idea what kind of person he is from those various bits of behaviour.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on July 15, 2018, 02:26:14 PM
You're making up a narrative here though mate, to suit your opinion. There's never been anything to suggest he's unpopular amongst his teammates, despite the penalty and having a falling out with the manager once. Dunc fell out plenty with various managers, yet was still popular in the dressing room.

I think you're a bit hung up on this.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 15, 2018, 02:55:22 PM
Is this thread about Sandro? Seems like Mirallas doesn't just steal penalties.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 15, 2018, 03:09:26 PM
He might be sound or whatever but can we stop claiming he still has the skill set of a winger? Literally every time Iíve seen him play in the past 12 months or so heís picked it up out wide and cut inside with little to no end product. Lather, rinse, repeat.

He should absolutely be sold on diminishing footballing ability and huge lack of effectiveness. Heís basically impotent.

Thereís genuinely no argument against selling him imo.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 15, 2018, 03:11:02 PM
He might be sound or whatever but can we stop claiming he still has the skill set of a winger? Literally every time I've seen him play in the past 12 months or so he's picked it up out wide and cut inside with little to no end product. Lather, rinse, repeat.

He should absolutely be sold on diminishing footballing ability and huge lack of effectiveness. He's basically impotent.

There's genuinely no argument against selling him imo.
£
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on November 05, 2018, 03:59:49 PM
Amazing this, bless him

https://twitter.com/JoshSlinger/status/1059285304799125507
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lazarou on November 05, 2018, 04:03:32 PM
Amazing this, bless him

https://twitter.com/JoshSlinger/status/1059285304799125507

Getting tackled by the turf is quite a achievement.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 05, 2018, 04:05:43 PM
Amazing this, bless him

https://twitter.com/JoshSlinger/status/1059285304799125507
I thought he was fucked for the season, good to see him err playing if you can call it that!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 05, 2018, 04:11:17 PM
Going to have to take a decent hit on this lad to wave him goodbye for good.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Gary1878 on November 05, 2018, 05:05:39 PM
Going to have to take a decent hit on this lad to wave him goodbye for good.

I would suggest it will be on a free to get him off the wage bill.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Thornton_19 on November 05, 2018, 05:09:09 PM
Going to have to take a decent hit on this lad to wave him goodbye for good.
We only paid 5 mil
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Free Agent on November 05, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
Stonewall penalty...




If he played for one of the Sky Six
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: gizzblue on November 05, 2018, 05:20:16 PM
Stonewall penalty...




If he played for one of the Sky Six

John Moss awarding that all day .
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 05, 2018, 05:30:02 PM
We only paid 5 mil


We pay him six figures a week, heís massively overpaid for his talent.

Weíll be contributing the majority of his wages at Sociedad in the hope heíll impress someone this season. If not weíll have to carry on doing this or reach an agreement for him to leave. His contract alone will be worth over £25m, without the £5m fee we paid for him.

Thatís a big hit to take on a player.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Cozzie on November 05, 2018, 07:10:24 PM
Pmsl. Just amazing.

It racks my brains how on earth this guy ever actually made it to be a footballer, honestly never seen anything like him.

I guess it was always low risk at £5M.

Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Toddacelli on November 05, 2018, 07:18:07 PM
Does he have the right size footwear?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: blue1948 on November 05, 2018, 07:50:12 PM
We pay him six figures a week, heís massively overpaid for his talent.

Weíll be contributing the majority of his wages at Sociedad in the hope heíll impress someone this season. If not weíll have to carry on doing this or reach an agreement for him to leave. His contract alone will be worth over £25m, without the £5m fee we paid for him.

Thatís a big hit to take on a player.
Your assumption would be correct but for one or two facts , firstly you don't know the details of his loan so that is speculation and secondly the figure that we (as a club) are going to take a hit on is based on the total earnings of a contract that is not complete yet ,so not really too accurate really is it ?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Hawkandro on November 05, 2018, 07:59:18 PM
Amazing this, bless him

https://twitter.com/JoshSlinger/status/1059285304799125507

Once Everton has touched you...
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 05, 2018, 08:22:58 PM
Your assumption would be correct but for one or two facts , firstly you don't know the details of his loan so that is speculation and secondly the figure that we (as a club) are going to take a hit on is based on the total earnings of a contract that is not complete yet ,so not really too accurate really is it ?

The average wage in La Liga is between £23k-£30k/week according to various sources on the internet. It's fair to say he's a pretty average player so if he's paid around the league average we'll be making up the majority of his wages.
He's signed a deal to earn him around £25m over the course of his contract. Someone will have to pay that and it's not unreasonable to think it'll be us ponying up a large proportion of it regardless of whether he's here or not, unless Brands can work wonders.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Mick 1995 on November 05, 2018, 08:44:47 PM
The average wage in La Liga is between £23k-£30k/week according to various sources on the internet. It's fair to say he's a pretty average player so if he's paid around the league average we'll be making up the majority of his wages.
He's signed a deal to earn him around £25m over the course of his contract. Someone will have to pay that and it's not unreasonable to think it'll be us ponying up a large proportion of it regardless of whether he's here or not, unless Brands can work wonders.

You're right - if we sell him (without him putting in a transfer request) then we will still have to pay more-or-less all of the wages his contract would have been for.

Obviously we have ways of negotiating on that (we wont sell or loan you out anywhere then and you can rot). Also, any wages he earns from his new contract is deducted from what we would expect to pay him from our current one. And any incoming fee will offset it for some amount. But it's the reason it went so badly for Leeds. They couldn't find takers for their players who were offering them anywhere near the same wages.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 05, 2018, 08:57:14 PM
The average wage in La Liga is between £23k-£30k/week according to various sources on the internet. It's fair to say he's a pretty average player so if he's paid around the league average we'll be making up the majority of his wages.
He's signed a deal to earn him around £25m over the course of his contract. Someone will have to pay that and it's not unreasonable to think it'll be us ponying up a large proportion of it regardless of whether he's here or not, unless Brands can work wonders.

Surely the reality is both the club and the player will have to take a hit on this 25m. He left Barca and took less money so he could play football. I doubt heíll be willing to give up 4 years of his career rather than lose a few million off that massive contract
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 05, 2018, 09:24:50 PM
Surely the reality is both the club and the player will have to take a hit on this 25m. He left Barca and took less money so he could play football. I doubt he’ll be willing to give up 4 years of his career rather than lose a few million off that massive contract

You would think so but the evidence suggests his salary is so far out of sync with his ability there's no reason why he should compromise.

If he can play football every year back in Spain on loan and still get his wages paid in full by whatever means then where's the need for him to strike a deal. It's in his interests to rinse and repeat for the next three years until it runs out. One of these loan deals he might strike some form though which might result in an offer of a permanent move, but he'll still get compensated for the contract he's giving up (or I assume we'll make him offer to compromise) and we'll still be badly burnt on the package as a whole from the day he signed.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Paddockoldie on November 05, 2018, 09:35:49 PM
Does he have the right size footwear?

It's like they've snapped off and been glued back on wrong.. At least it wasn't just us he did it with.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on November 05, 2018, 10:13:34 PM
Dreadful signing.

I called it a potentially pivotal moment in our history lmao.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Shogun on November 05, 2018, 10:34:37 PM
I nailed this one, said he was shite in the U21 World Cup.

And we all know how important youth World Cups are when determining a player.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on November 05, 2018, 11:44:32 PM
gets funnier and funnier every time i watch it-    god if i kicked the turf like that i'd just crumble ----there like some irresistible force propelling him-----

reckon he will be the next  Aspas
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: BlueForYou on November 05, 2018, 11:59:03 PM
Those ex-Barcelona boys

Once bitten, raid again - at the triple!

Maybe it's just the Spanish players?
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Tony Clifton on November 06, 2018, 12:32:04 AM
Sandy Clownshoes there lolol

Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: GLewis on November 06, 2018, 02:08:07 AM
I nailed this one, said he was shite in the U21 World Cup.

And we all know how important youth World Cups are when determining a player.

Only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2018, 02:12:49 AM
Slightly aghast at how many people seem to be taking pleasure in an Everton player going through hard times. He never asked for the contract and came over here and gave it his best, sometimes things don't work out? Yes, he did make an arse of himself, but personally I'd still like to see him rekindle some of the form that made us first take an interest in him.

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Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: kramer0 on November 06, 2018, 02:57:36 AM
His goalscoring credentials were definitely overrated by Koeman and Walsh and he was always unlikely to reproduce his Malaga form but I don't think there was much evidence to suggest that he'd struggle controlling the ball or even staying on his feet.

Just a really strange case overall.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: stirlingblue on November 06, 2018, 03:09:15 AM
His goalscoring credentials were definitely overrated by Koeman and Walsh and he was always unlikely to reproduce his Malaga form but I don't think there was much evidence to suggest that he'd struggle controlling the ball or even staying on his feet.

Just a really strange case overall.

Confidence is a fickle friend
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2018, 03:19:34 AM
His goalscoring credentials were definitely overrated by Koeman and Walsh and he was always unlikely to reproduce his Malaga form but I don't think there was much evidence to suggest that he'd struggle controlling the ball or even staying on his feet.

Just a really strange case overall.

Looks like one of the least la masia players ever. Barely looks able to control his legs, absolutely bizarre.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Waltzer on November 06, 2018, 03:46:10 AM
His goalscoring credentials were definitely overrated by Koeman and Walsh and he was always unlikely to reproduce his Malaga form but I don't think there was much evidence to suggest that he'd struggle controlling the ball or even staying on his feet.

Just a really strange case overall.
It is weird as we beat a lot of better teams than us to his signature, it was a bit of a coup at the time.
Is turned out to be very similar to Jeffers, got a big move on the back of one good season and failed to deliver. He's still got time but it looks like it's slipping away.

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Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: sam of the south on November 06, 2018, 04:37:12 AM
Looks like one of the least la masia players ever. Barely looks able to control his legs, absolutely bizarre.

Maybe heís got a disease
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on November 06, 2018, 07:22:02 AM
Maybe heís got a disease
Koemanitis is a nasty one,hard to shake off.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on November 06, 2018, 01:58:48 PM
The excitement from some on here when we signed him was funny, it was based on a few youtube videos
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: brap2 on November 06, 2018, 02:04:07 PM
I remember the night I saw that Sandro Ramirez Xg article and it dashed any hopes I had.

Heís an argument for taking xg seriously that lad. Goals donít always = performances.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Normm on November 06, 2018, 02:18:34 PM
Of course, all footballers without exception have done something ridiculous in their career - and we can all remember the Yak's miss at the Word Cup or Neville's stupid dive. But, hey - just laugh it off and get on with life!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Lxxx on November 06, 2018, 03:20:42 PM
His goalscoring credentials were definitely overrated by Koeman and Walsh and he was always unlikely to reproduce his Malaga form but I don't think there was much evidence to suggest that he'd struggle controlling the ball or even staying on his feet.

Just a really strange case overall.

True. The lad barely looks like a footballer now, his inability to do even the basics correctly is baffling. The least you'd expect if his confidence is shot is to just play a safe game and play your way back in but he can't even stay upright.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: TheTone on November 06, 2018, 04:39:39 PM
The excitement from some on here when we signed him was funny, it was based on a few youtube videos

I believe I dubbed him the new David Villa, not from youtube clips like, just 2 games I saw him play for Malaga on tv and I thought he was boss, plus I read some article describing how good he was written by the guy who originally scouted him

David Villa eh, kin Aston Villa more like





Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: hannu on November 06, 2018, 05:20:55 PM
He never asked for the contract
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am pretty sure he did
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: stirlingblue on November 07, 2018, 03:23:57 AM
I remember the night I saw that Sandro Ramirez Xg article and it dashed any hopes I had.

He's an argument for taking xg seriously that lad. Goals don't always = performances.

Donít look at Gomes stats then!
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Jamokachi on November 08, 2018, 02:40:43 AM
https://twitter.com/FreeMemesKids/status/1060201334861950978
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Macca77 on November 08, 2018, 05:05:46 AM
https://twitter.com/FreeMemesKids/status/1060201334861950978

Haha amazing
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: howard1334 on November 08, 2018, 09:57:24 AM
Donít look at Gomes stats then!

Something has happened to him too though. At Barca he got 7 in 32 appearances, most of which I am sure were substitutions. So he should be doing at least a bit better based off of that alone.
Title: Re: Sandro Ramirez Signs - Confirmed by club
Post by: Hesmenos on November 08, 2018, 09:19:49 PM
Something has happened to him too though. At Barca he got 7 in 32 appearances, most of which I am sure were substitutions. So he should be doing at least a bit better based off of that alone.
It's all about context though. 4 of those 7 goals were scored in the cup against lower league opposition. Including 3 against Villanovense, who would probably struggle in the National League.