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Title: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on July 14, 2017, 05:46:08 AM
Boss for him to turn and score a goal like that in front of big Ronald.

Hopefully smashes through pre-season and works his way into the first team squad.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on July 14, 2017, 05:47:43 AM
Be nice for him to kick on. He was very hit n miss in the recent World Cup.

A very tidy footballer with an eye for goal.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 06:01:03 AM
It was a goal like Koeman himself used to score if my memories are still alright.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Confucius on July 14, 2017, 09:22:35 AM
It was a goal like Koeman himself used to score if my memories are still alright.

Koeman was never that far forward so your memory is very poor
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: American Evertonian on July 14, 2017, 09:34:46 AM
Koeman was never that far forward so your memory is very poor

I disagree. I saw a YouTube clip once and he scored from just outside the box.

Granted it was a free kick and I only have watched like 25 seconds of his playing days. But those are minor details.  I'm an expert otherwise.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Buck76 on July 14, 2017, 12:13:14 PM
He looked a bit weak and was brushed off the ball far too easily in the World Cup, but cracking turn & goal yesterday! Hopefully Keoman toughens him up...
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
Koeman was never that far forward so your memory is very poor
Your right he didn't get forward

One min 38 is my fave
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 01:48:43 PM
Pleased for Dowell, needs to toughen up a little to play in the prem, that could easily happen
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 01:49:54 PM
Get him out on loan.

5 mins against Stoke on the first game of the season and he'll quit football.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Danny on July 14, 2017, 01:56:40 PM
Get him out on loan.

5 mins against Stoke on the first game of the season and he'll quit football.

Him and Kenny need to go to a Midtable championship team where they'll play every game now, quality prospects but just not worth another season mainly of B football.

Sheffield United or someone similar would probably be a good option.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 02:03:05 PM
Koeman was never that far forward so your memory is very poor

I know that mr. funny man.  But he could score goals from that area.  And thanks for trying to belittle me my friend.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 02:04:57 PM
I disagree. I saw a YouTube clip once and he scored from just outside the box.

Granted it was a free kick and I only have watched like 25 seconds of his playing days. But those are minor details.  I'm an expert otherwise.

Oh.. he's just confused...him Confucius
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 02:06:00 PM
Him and Kenny need to go to a Midtable championship team where they'll play every game now, quality prospects but just not worth another season mainly of B football.

Sheffield United or someone similar would probably be a good option.

Reckon Kenny could play RB in the first few games. If it keeps holgate out of there I'm behind it. Good littlenplayer, horrible RB.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Morta75 on July 14, 2017, 02:47:08 PM
Good youngster this, along with DCL, Lookman, Davies, Holgate it is something for the future. Lets hope Big Ron gives them chances coming season.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on July 14, 2017, 03:17:18 PM
Dowell needs lots of matches vs proper players to learn how to get round not being that strong and not that quick.

Osman would be the best example here so it might be a couple of years before Dowell is properly ready.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 03:26:21 PM
Dowell needs lots of matches vs proper players to learn how to get round not being that strong and not that quick.

Osman would be the best example here so it might be a couple of years before Dowell is properly ready.

Dowell has a very slight frame but he's still quite tall. Get him on the weights and see if he can get some shoulders.

Alli only has a very slight frame and is similar technically, but he uses his body very well and is aggressive with and without the ball. Think dowell should look at him for inspiration.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 14, 2017, 03:56:29 PM
Dowell has a very slight frame but he's still quite tall. Get him on the weights and see if he can get some shoulders.

Alli only has a very slight frame and is similar technically, but he uses his body very well and is aggressive with and without the ball. Think dowell should look at him for inspiration.



Why get everyone on the weights. Natural balance is a prerequisite for certain types of individual. Body mass is not always ideal in certain circumstances. By the logic of Dowell turning into some Marvel comic Thor character. Maybe after spending 50 million on Sigurdson, we should get him on high protein diets and bodybuilding regimes, to improve his ability to flatten people, but fuck right up the very thing we bought him for in the first place.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 04:13:12 PM


Why get everyone on the weights. Natural balance is a prerequisite for certain types of individual. Body mass is not always ideal in certain circumstances. By the logic of Dowell turning into some Marvel comic Thor character. Maybe after spending 50 million on Sigurdson, we should get him on high protein diets and bodybuilding regimes, to improve his ability to flatten people, but fuck right up the very thing we bought him for in the first place.

Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 14, 2017, 04:15:22 PM
Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.



So Messi is a big guy. Yeah?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Alanvideo on July 14, 2017, 04:16:34 PM
Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.
..............Giggs did ok with a slight frame ,mind you it was reinforced by all those twigs on his chest .
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 05:05:17 PM


So Messi is a big guy. Yeah?

No, he's a super athlete though.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 14, 2017, 05:06:58 PM
No, he's a super athlete though.



Yeah OK. You got the message anyway.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 05:07:03 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: southtoff on July 14, 2017, 05:38:18 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.
Mahrez
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: mikey_blue on July 14, 2017, 05:43:40 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.


Di Maria and Ozil.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 14, 2017, 05:51:27 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.



Lanky waifs without physical presence, don't need much room whatsoever.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 05:52:17 PM
I think you are both right pjk and brap2.  Dowell needs to get some weight not to be like THOR but just to be stronger without diminishing his abilities.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 05:53:55 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.

You mean kind of a player Pat Nevin was?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 14, 2017, 05:57:01 PM
It's how strong you are mentally really. You can have the broadest shoulders like Rom and get brushed off the ball easily or you can be smaller with a slighter frame like Roy Keane and be renowned as one of toughest players to play against.

I think you can generally tell within a few games which players have it upstairs and which don't. My fear with Dowell from watching him is he just doesn't have an aggressive streak whereas a smaller lad the same age like Davies does.
You either have 'it' or you don't, no amount of weights can create that mental toughness on a pitch.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 06:36:01 PM


Di Maria and Ozil.

Ozil a good shout.

Di Maria a pace machine though.

Anyway as our good mate Ari says, it's not about turning him into Thor, just getting a bit more about him to cope with men's football.

I think undsworth said he struggled with his growth spurt, reminiscent of m Keane's story actually, probably difficult for him too because he's used to being a little tricky player with quick feet then suddenly has to deal with big gangly legs and a totally different centre of gravity.

I love watching dowell he's a quality technician, strikes a ball beautifully as well, clearly a very good understanding with Davies but yeah I would worry about him in men's footy.

Someone on twitter said send him to the continent to develop in a different atmosphere. France or Germany would be good. Physical but good focus on tactical elements and technical ability.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 14, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.

John Stones
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: hill135 on July 14, 2017, 08:33:54 PM
Javier pastore.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: kramer0 on July 14, 2017, 08:37:41 PM
Dowell has a great footballing brain for someone so young and his game always seems to go up a level when he plays with the first team. A lot of that is down to getting most of his first team opportunities against weaker opposition but I also think he benefits from the intelligence and movement of the senior players. At the U23 level, there are only a few players who are fully on his wavelength, like Davies and Walsh, but that number goes up with the first team which makes the game easier for him. I think this explains some of his "inconsistency" at the U23 level: Dowell relies a lot on his teammates' movement and understanding of the game and those things are erratic in younger players, as you would expect.

I hope he continues to play this summer. Dowell might not be in Koeman's plans for the upcoming season but he deserves the chance to show what he can do linking up his senior teammates, especially Rooney, Klaassen, and his good friend Davies. That's where his true quality is going to reveal itself.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 08:45:33 PM
Quality ball player

Lanky players:

Peter Crouch, Darren Anderton and Phil "SparrowLegs" Thompson
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 14, 2017, 09:16:43 PM
Reminds me a lot of Bily, who struggled because he had neither the athleticism nor the intensity to succeed at the top level in England.

Players like that will always show flashes of brilliance which remind you of their talent but will often go missing for long periods in a game because they lack the attributes to make a mark when we don't have a lot of possession.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
How many Holgate's is David Silva or Juan Mata?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2017, 09:12:48 AM
Carlton Palmer
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 15, 2017, 10:20:43 AM
Isn't DCL rather lanky himself?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Toddacelli on July 15, 2017, 02:41:34 PM
Your right he didn't get forward

One min 38 is my fave


But 1.00 min is a damn close 2nd place - it was a proper striker's goal - as good as any you'll see - but from a CB!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: stirlingblue on July 15, 2017, 11:23:20 PM
Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.

To be fair, ballet dancers are super athletes. Plus, some footballers use ballet as part of their training.

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: DanDan on July 20, 2017, 01:39:41 AM
Has quick feet and can half hit the target from outside the box
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2017, 01:43:20 AM
He's a quality, quality technician. There are big question marks over him but man I would love to see this lad kick on, with us or on loan.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Morta75 on July 20, 2017, 03:02:21 AM
Great again today when coming on in second half. Looks good for the coming season.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2017, 03:45:40 AM
Hoping he gets some game time this season, hes clearly talented
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on July 20, 2017, 04:08:52 AM
I know he still has a tendency to drift out of games but I wonder if he's giving Koeman something to think about in this pre-season with Koeman wanting to see goals and assists from midfielders. If you can get the lad shooting chances around and inside the box, he'll score goals at any level, and that could be a real asset to us.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 04:12:37 AM
With Sig's transfer saga not showing any signs of being resolved and Barkley looking like he won't be fit by the start of the season I wonder if Koeman might be forced into giving Dowell a go, at least until January.

If he keeps looking threatening he won't be doing himself any harm whatsoever.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blargins on July 20, 2017, 04:34:31 AM
With Sig's transfer saga not showing any signs of being resolved and Barkley looking like he won't be fit by the start of the season I wonder if Koeman might be forced into giving Dowell a go, at least until January.

If he keeps looking threatening he won't be doing himself any harm whatsoever.

Will definitely be an option in Europe I think.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2017, 05:07:02 AM
Really interesting player, does seem to have a knack for the spectacular.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: mikey_blue on July 20, 2017, 05:16:18 AM
Really interesting player, does seem to have a knack for the spectacular.

Could be our next McFadden!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2017, 05:23:40 AM
Could be our next McFadden!

That's a bit harsh, I think he'll do good for us this season given a chance, Barkley going and lack of options might be the making of him
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 20, 2017, 05:30:56 AM
What's his best position? Where did he start most of the u23 game, last season?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2017, 05:40:05 AM
I think he plays off the forward so a number 10 from what my limited knowledge tells me
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 20, 2017, 05:58:04 AM
He's looking good. He's not going on loan. It's good to see. :)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2017, 06:02:13 AM
Looks ideal for the left side in front of Baines.
Title: Kieran Dowell
Post by: ally2 on July 20, 2017, 07:00:46 AM
I only caught about twenty minutes of the second half and he made a couple of poor passes. For anyone who's seen him play a lot, is his general play up to standard?  There's no doubting he can shoot.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 20, 2017, 07:27:45 AM
I only caught about twenty minutes of the second half and he made a couple of poor passes. For anyone who's seen him play a lot, is his general play up to standard?  There's no doubting he can shoot.



He just explodes into quality. Yeah! not enough to be the 'next thing'. But when he does, it's more than normal. If he keeps on doing it? Well! He's the next thing. I llke him. He looks good. :)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: arteta4spain on July 20, 2017, 08:37:47 AM


He just explodes into quality. Yeah! not enough to be the 'next thing'. But when he does, it's more than normal. If he keeps on doing it? Well! He's the next thing. I llke him. He looks good. :)


You know what, he looks good and I'd rather he didn't get the whole " next big thing" stamp on him. Not trying to detract and make this into a Barkley thread but I think if we just let him go at his own/Koemans pace and just let him develop he'll be a great player for us. Too much too young and the expectation could be too much or it might not and he'll thrive on the attention who knows. Watch this space. 😳😳😳
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on July 20, 2017, 12:21:07 PM
Looks ideal for the left side in front of Baines.

Looks like he'd be much more comfortable cutting in to shoot from the right. Would also limit exposure to a lack of pace as he wouldn't have to go down the outside as often plus easier to play a reverse ball to an overlapping RB using his left foot rather than the opposite on the other side.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 01:14:53 PM
Looks like he'd be much more comfortable cutting in to shoot from the right. Would also limit exposure to a lack of pace as he wouldn't have to go down the outside as often plus easier to play a reverse ball to an overlapping RB using his left foot rather than the opposite on the other side.

I think this position brings out his qualities as it's a less congested area for a player who isn't the strongest physically and plays to his strengths, which is to create with a wand of a left foot.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: stirlingblue on July 20, 2017, 01:24:33 PM
It feels like he's been around forever, can't believe he's still only 19
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2017, 03:48:58 PM
Looks like he'd be much more comfortable cutting in to shoot from the right. Would also limit exposure to a lack of pace as he wouldn't have to go down the outside as often plus easier to play a reverse ball to an overlapping RB using his left foot rather than the opposite on the other side.

We're not going to play a right side of Holgate/Kenny and Dowell. He'll need an experienced defender behind him if and when he plays and Baines will be able to guide him through games and offer the link up attacking overlap he seems to like to utilise.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Juanito on July 20, 2017, 03:53:51 PM
Think a season in the championship at somewhere like Derby or Leeds would do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Danny on July 20, 2017, 04:02:05 PM
It feels like he's been around forever, can't believe he's still only 19

I remember hearing about him when he was 15, was rated as a quality player.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blue1948 on July 20, 2017, 09:53:59 PM
Could be our next McFadden!
That is not fair
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on July 20, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
Looks like he'd be much more comfortable cutting in to shoot from the right. Would also limit exposure to a lack of pace as he wouldn't have to go down the outside as often plus easier to play a reverse ball to an overlapping RB using his left foot rather than the opposite on the other side.

He tends to play on the right or right of centre.

Some of his overlap work with Kenny in the WC was sublime.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 10:14:50 PM
He tends to play on the right or right of centre.

Some of his overlap work with Kenny in the WC was sublime.

Same last season in the U-23's. It'd be a shame not to at least attempt to utilise that understanding in a competitive game at a higher level.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Robioto on July 20, 2017, 10:17:05 PM
I really hope Dowell doesn't go on loan and gets his chances in the first team. He looks ready to be part of the first team, even if it is only a few games this season.

Same with Kenny.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2017, 10:28:00 PM
I really hope Dowell doesn't go on loan and gets his chances in the first team. He looks ready to be part of the first team, even if it is only a few games this season.

Same with Kenny.

I don't think kenny will play. Suspect he'll only be backup even with Coleman injured
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Mac934 on July 20, 2017, 11:38:41 PM
I think Kenny looks the best and most ready of the young 'uns. Should stay and get some game time. Better option than Holgate at RB. Jury out on Martina for now.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Toffee1 on August 02, 2017, 03:42:12 AM
Season long loan to Forest according to this report.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-set-sign-everton-265603
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on August 02, 2017, 03:48:59 AM
Good move for him.

Hopefully he smashes it Coleman style.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: LucoEfc on August 02, 2017, 04:04:55 AM
Just heard that great move
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 02, 2017, 04:05:19 AM
Decent news
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Buck76 on August 02, 2017, 04:07:37 AM
Shame it's Forest thou, hopefully he develops like Antionio.... just fear for him getting game time if he gets bullied on the ball early doors..
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on August 02, 2017, 04:08:05 AM
Least it's not Sunderland
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 02, 2017, 04:17:06 AM
Shame but good move.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 02, 2017, 04:44:43 AM
http://www.forest.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34506&posts=29
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Confucius on August 02, 2017, 04:56:43 AM
http://www.forest.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34506&posts=29

OMG! What a miserable lot they are.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: DanDan on August 02, 2017, 05:00:10 AM
OMG! What a miserable lot they are.

Haha I was going to say the same
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Brownie20 on August 02, 2017, 05:03:39 AM
OMG! What a miserable lot they are.

Hahaha I love reading another team's forum
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: sam of the south on August 02, 2017, 05:26:12 AM
Only one of them was negative on there, the rest of them were dissing him for it, and bigging up Dowell.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 02, 2017, 05:47:15 AM
Got a soft spot for forest I'd like to see them back on the prem.

Watched them the other year when that Burke was breaking through and they had vellios up front and some mad LB who was just marauding but doing zero defending and I thought they looked great but they ended up shite for the rest of the season I think.

Looking forward to watching a few games and hopefully following dowell's outside the box screamer count (my guess is 4).
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Glory on August 02, 2017, 10:39:50 AM
Fuck! Pope is getting an absolute belting in there...
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 02, 2017, 07:27:37 PM
Got a soft spot for forest I'd like to see them back on the prem.

Watched them the other year when that Burke was breaking through and they had vellios up front and some mad LB who was just marauding but doing zero defending and I thought they looked great but they ended up shite for the rest of the season I think.

Looking forward to watching a few games and hopefully following dowell's outside the box screamer count (my guess is 4).

First ever game I went to was Forest vs Everton.

The old man was a forest fan and me being me chose to support the other team...
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Silas on August 02, 2017, 08:40:13 PM
Great move for him with shades of what happened with Osmans career hopefully when he went to Derby
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: bigmanbob on August 02, 2017, 10:32:42 PM
First ever game I went to was Forest vs Everton.

The old man was a forest fan and me being me chose to support the other team...
Mine too, I can remember being in the paddock and John Robertson getting loads of grief for the size of his arse!!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 02, 2017, 11:16:05 PM
What's his best position? Where did he start most of the u23 game, last season?

for england under 20's he seemed to be playing on the left side of midfield (not on the wing) either the left of the 3cm's or in the middle on the left if he was deployed with someone else,

i was pretty surprised when i saw koeman play him wide on the right, i see him more of a central midfielder..(has no pace to be on the wings)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 02, 2017, 11:43:58 PM
for england under 20's he seemed to be playing on the left side of midfield (not on the wing) either the left of the 3cm's or in the middle on the left if he was deployed with someone else,

i was pretty surprised when i saw koeman play him wide on the right, i see him more of a central midfielder..(has no pace to be on the wings)

Reckon you've got your telly upside down. I could swear he played right mid for u20s, hooking up well with Kenny st RB.....
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 02, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Reckon you've got your telly upside down. I could swear he played right mid for u20s, hooking up well with Kenny st RB.....


infact your right, lol, he played it through to kenny many many times..  but i still go by he;s more  of a CM than a winger/ RM/LM
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on August 02, 2017, 11:47:57 PM
Reckon you've got your telly upside down. I could swear he played right mid for u20s, hooking up well with Kenny st RB.....

Clearly got him mixed up with Lookman, after all all footballers look the same.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: bacon sarnie on August 02, 2017, 11:58:30 PM
Mine too, I can remember being in the paddock and John Robertson getting loads of grief for the size of his arse!!

Ciggies and lighter down his socks as well.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: BlueForYou on August 03, 2017, 01:34:08 AM
Have a good season and prove your worth with Zach Clough

Davie Weir will look after you!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Everton Mint on August 03, 2017, 03:55:34 AM
Bit of a shame he has to go, one of the next gen of top talent from FF in my opinion... good club to go to though.

And nothing beats playing proper football with points at stake.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: LucoEfc on August 03, 2017, 04:12:14 AM
for england under 20's he seemed to be playing on the left side of midfield (not on the wing) either the left of the 3cm's or in the middle on the left if he was deployed with someone else,

i was pretty surprised when i saw koeman play him wide on the right, i see him more of a central midfielder..(has no pace to be on the wings)
Forest fans think He will play on the right due to their manager playing right footers on left and left footers on right
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 03, 2017, 06:08:57 AM
Forest fans think He will play on the right due to their manager playing right footers on left and left footers on right

That would be perfect for him.

Kieron Dowell long-distance screamer estimate up to 5.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ramjam on August 03, 2017, 09:46:50 AM
Was he sold or is it a loan move?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 03, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
Was he sold or is it a loan move?

Loan
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ramjam on August 03, 2017, 10:21:33 AM
Loan

Thanks Audrey, I wouldn't like to see the next Sheedy leave the club
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Toddacelli on August 03, 2017, 07:16:32 PM
Season long loan to Forest according to this report.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-set-sign-everton-265603

My neck of the woods. I'll keep an eye on him!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on August 03, 2017, 07:27:46 PM
My neck of the woods. I'll keep an eye on him!

Keep your distance this time Todd don't go full on "Strac" on the lad you'll scare the shit out of him.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: American Evertonian on August 03, 2017, 07:40:30 PM
Thanks Audrey, I wouldn't like to see the next Sheedy leave the club

From all I have read there is no option to make it permanent either.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Goaljira on August 05, 2017, 04:00:15 AM
Sounds like he did alright when he came on tonight.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 05, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
Few screenshots of what the natives thought of our boy
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on August 05, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
When Rooney's legs deteriorate more next season this lad will hopefully have had a good 30 games or so under his belt to bring back into the squad. Much as it looked a strange move for us to let him go it'll probably do the lad a world of good.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: ally2 on August 05, 2017, 04:44:29 PM
Based on that I'm just glad we didn't send him to Millwall!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 05, 2017, 06:05:24 PM
- shared from the Reddit app (https://reddit.app.link/3CsFK8W7iB)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 05, 2017, 07:13:32 PM
Their forum suggests that Dowell was one of their more physical players whilst he was on the pitch.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Everton Mint on August 05, 2017, 08:33:55 PM
Ross who ?

I think KD is more than up to replacing him in the coming years.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 05, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
Ross who ?

I think KD is more than up to replacing him in the coming years.

You are correct, that 40 second clip I posted is all the proof I need.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: 74Blue on August 05, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
It will do him the world of good, spending a season in the Championship playing regular competitive games and potentially getting "roughed up" a little. He'll come back to Everton even better.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 09, 2017, 03:26:58 AM
Played 63 mins tonight vs The Shrews. No 30 yard screamers. More to follow...
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Toffee1 on October 29, 2017, 02:14:50 AM
Scored a hat-trick today.

http://www.skysports.com/football/hull-city-vs-n-forest/374779
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 02:25:00 AM
Scored a hat-trick today.

http://www.skysports.com/football/hull-city-vs-n-forest/374779

Really think this lad could be a genuine class player for us. You loan someone out to the Championship and that's a tough physical league with a shitload of games. It can be a bit sink or swim, and it looks like Dowell's already doing the Butterfly on cruise control the way he's playing.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 02:26:15 AM

Also, he celebrates quite calmly, like he expects to score, which can often be a sign of a class player.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Coyb12 on October 29, 2017, 02:31:46 AM
Really think this lad could be a genuine class player for us. You loan someone out to the Championship and that's a tough physical league with a shitload of games. It can be a bit sink or swim, and it looks like Dowell's already doing the Butterfly on cruise control the way he's playing.
He got hook last two weeks one after 60mins.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Silas on October 29, 2017, 02:31:50 AM
He's got a foot like Bilyaletdinov
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 02:35:21 AM
He got hook last two weeks one after 60mins.

To be expected though in that league. To go from our U23s to 40-60 first team games a season against grown men kicking the shit out of you every week, it'd be weird if he didn't have peaks and troughs. Wand of a left peg and proper composure.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 29, 2017, 02:36:44 AM
Also, he celebrates quite calmly, like he expects to score, which can often be a sign of a class player.

Pretty sure there's absolutely zero correlation between goal celebration and player quality tbh
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Coyb12 on October 29, 2017, 02:40:35 AM
To be expected though in that league. To go from our U23s to 40-60 first team games a season against grown men kicking the shit out of you every week, it'd be weird if he didn't have peaks and troughs. Wand of a left peg and proper composure.
Don't get carried away mate a bit exaggerated the grown men kicking the shit out of each other bit I think, he ok nothing more at the minute.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Goaljira on October 29, 2017, 03:05:38 AM

Also, he celebrates quite calmly, like he expects to score, which can often be a sign of a class player.

Wont be often you get a game with 5 goals all scored with left feet.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 03:35:38 AM
Pretty sure there's absolutely zero correlation between goal celebration and player quality tbh

Disagree, but then we often do.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 03:43:55 AM
He looks like he has talent but he has that kind of Bily/Ozil gait which means when the team isnít playing well heís usually the one hooked as it appears heís not grafting like the rest.

ETA: just had a look on their fans forum, theyíre not too impressed with him overall. Too lightweight it seems and doesnít deliver enough every week.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 04:49:27 AM
He looks like he has talent but he has that kind of Bily/Ozil gait which means when the team isn’t playing well he’s usually the one hooked as it appears he’s not grafting like the rest.

ETA: just had a look on their fans forum, they’re not too impressed with him overall. Too lightweight it seems and doesn’t deliver enough every week.

In fairness, one person was moaning that he did nothing apart from win the game with a hat-trick, including two class goals. Sounded like an Evertonian.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on October 29, 2017, 10:19:05 AM
In fairness, one person was moaning that he did nothing apart from win the game with a hat-trick, including two class goals. Sounded like an Evertonian.

But this is a fair point!

@Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) has mentioned this for a while re Dowell; there is a sizeable portion of our fan base that would be quite capable of saying something very similar to that.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 12:56:58 PM
But this is a fair point!

@Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) has mentioned this for a while re Dowell; there is a sizeable portion of our fan base that would be quite capable of saying something very similar to that.

About every player!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 29, 2017, 01:03:57 PM
He looks like he has talent but he has that kind of Bily/Ozil gait which means when the team isn't playing well he's usually the one hooked as it appears he's not grafting like the rest.

ETA: just had a look on their fans forum, they're not too impressed with him overall. Too lightweight it seems and doesn't deliver enough every week.
This is where having the right manager will aid his development. Someone like Martinez would tell him heís the next Zico and to go and express himself and just fanny about all game, looking for through balls. Whereas Poch took Dembele and Ericsson (who were both seen as luxury players and had fitness issues) and turned them into solid, tactically and positionally astute pros - without crushing the flair out of them.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 01:11:40 PM
Maybe Moshiri should buy Pochís book and give it to Unsy with a 2.5 yr contract.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 29, 2017, 03:40:55 PM
He looks a very talented player doesn't he
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Silas on October 29, 2017, 04:01:32 PM
He looks great but I don't think it's some sort of misstep him being on loan. He's doing great were he is.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2017, 04:28:45 PM
Yeah he's putting in a decent season we should be pleased.

Love a left peg ping merchant, but that second shot was superb.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 04:46:27 PM
Letís see where he is come May. He still looks very lightweight, as attested to by the Forest fans, but he has got talent.

My gut feeling is he hasnít got what it takes to play for us but would be happy to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Silas on October 29, 2017, 04:52:07 PM
Letís see where he is come May. He still looks very lightweight, as attested to by the Forest fans, but he has got talent.

My gut feeling is he hasnít got what it takes to play for us but would be happy to be proved wrong.

You get the feeling fans would love him for a few months then treat him like they did Osman because he's not particularly quick
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 04:55:48 PM
You get the feeling fans would love him for a few months then treat him like they did Osman because he's not particularly quick

Oh heíd definitely be called lazy because heís not sprinting back to his own byline to stop the wingerís cross.
Even after putting one on the top bin from 35 yards.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 29, 2017, 05:00:18 PM
I've seen Dowell a few times and I've seen Sigurdsson a few times in blue. There really isn't much between them apart from value. Scary really....
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: gizzblue on October 29, 2017, 05:32:46 PM
He looks like he has talent but he has that kind of Bily/Ozil gait which means when the team isn't playing well he's usually the one hooked as it appears he's not grafting like the rest.

ETA: just had a look on their fans forum, they're not too impressed with him overall. Too lightweight it seems and doesn't deliver enough every week.
So another Barkley .😣
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 29, 2017, 05:39:51 PM
Oh he'd definitely be called lazy because he's not sprinting back to his own byline to stop the winger's cross.
Even after putting one on the top bin from 35 yards.
Which has always been my point
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 06:48:39 PM
I think itís when fans see players like Eriksen and Sanchez etc... playing like perpetual motion; always moving, always grafting, as well as posting impressive stats and making things happen they think that should be the model to follow.