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Title: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on July 14, 2017, 05:46:08 AM
Boss for him to turn and score a goal like that in front of big Ronald.

Hopefully smashes through pre-season and works his way into the first team squad.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on July 14, 2017, 05:47:43 AM
Be nice for him to kick on. He was very hit n miss in the recent World Cup.

A very tidy footballer with an eye for goal.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 06:01:03 AM
It was a goal like Koeman himself used to score if my memories are still alright.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Confucius on July 14, 2017, 09:22:35 AM
It was a goal like Koeman himself used to score if my memories are still alright.

Koeman was never that far forward so your memory is very poor
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: American Evertonian on July 14, 2017, 09:34:46 AM
Koeman was never that far forward so your memory is very poor

I disagree. I saw a YouTube clip once and he scored from just outside the box.

Granted it was a free kick and I only have watched like 25 seconds of his playing days. But those are minor details.  I'm an expert otherwise.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Buck76 on July 14, 2017, 12:13:14 PM
He looked a bit weak and was brushed off the ball far too easily in the World Cup, but cracking turn & goal yesterday! Hopefully Keoman toughens him up...
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
Koeman was never that far forward so your memory is very poor
Your right he didn't get forward

One min 38 is my fave
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on July 14, 2017, 01:48:43 PM
Pleased for Dowell, needs to toughen up a little to play in the prem, that could easily happen
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 01:49:54 PM
Get him out on loan.

5 mins against Stoke on the first game of the season and he'll quit football.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Danny on July 14, 2017, 01:56:40 PM
Get him out on loan.

5 mins against Stoke on the first game of the season and he'll quit football.

Him and Kenny need to go to a Midtable championship team where they'll play every game now, quality prospects but just not worth another season mainly of B football.

Sheffield United or someone similar would probably be a good option.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 02:03:05 PM
Koeman was never that far forward so your memory is very poor

I know that mr. funny man.  But he could score goals from that area.  And thanks for trying to belittle me my friend.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 02:04:57 PM
I disagree. I saw a YouTube clip once and he scored from just outside the box.

Granted it was a free kick and I only have watched like 25 seconds of his playing days. But those are minor details.  I'm an expert otherwise.

Oh.. he's just confused...him Confucius
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 02:06:00 PM
Him and Kenny need to go to a Midtable championship team where they'll play every game now, quality prospects but just not worth another season mainly of B football.

Sheffield United or someone similar would probably be a good option.

Reckon Kenny could play RB in the first few games. If it keeps holgate out of there I'm behind it. Good littlenplayer, horrible RB.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Morta75 on July 14, 2017, 02:47:08 PM
Good youngster this, along with DCL, Lookman, Davies, Holgate it is something for the future. Lets hope Big Ron gives them chances coming season.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on July 14, 2017, 03:17:18 PM
Dowell needs lots of matches vs proper players to learn how to get round not being that strong and not that quick.

Osman would be the best example here so it might be a couple of years before Dowell is properly ready.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 03:26:21 PM
Dowell needs lots of matches vs proper players to learn how to get round not being that strong and not that quick.

Osman would be the best example here so it might be a couple of years before Dowell is properly ready.

Dowell has a very slight frame but he's still quite tall. Get him on the weights and see if he can get some shoulders.

Alli only has a very slight frame and is similar technically, but he uses his body very well and is aggressive with and without the ball. Think dowell should look at him for inspiration.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 14, 2017, 03:56:29 PM
Dowell has a very slight frame but he's still quite tall. Get him on the weights and see if he can get some shoulders.

Alli only has a very slight frame and is similar technically, but he uses his body very well and is aggressive with and without the ball. Think dowell should look at him for inspiration.



Why get everyone on the weights. Natural balance is a prerequisite for certain types of individual. Body mass is not always ideal in certain circumstances. By the logic of Dowell turning into some Marvel comic Thor character. Maybe after spending 50 million on Sigurdson, we should get him on high protein diets and bodybuilding regimes, to improve his ability to flatten people, but fuck right up the very thing we bought him for in the first place.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 04:13:12 PM


Why get everyone on the weights. Natural balance is a prerequisite for certain types of individual. Body mass is not always ideal in certain circumstances. By the logic of Dowell turning into some Marvel comic Thor character. Maybe after spending 50 million on Sigurdson, we should get him on high protein diets and bodybuilding regimes, to improve his ability to flatten people, but fuck right up the very thing we bought him for in the first place.

Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 14, 2017, 04:15:22 PM
Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.



So Messi is a big guy. Yeah?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Alanvideo on July 14, 2017, 04:16:34 PM
Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.
..............Giggs did ok with a slight frame ,mind you it was reinforced by all those twigs on his chest .
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 05:05:17 PM


So Messi is a big guy. Yeah?

No, he's a super athlete though.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 14, 2017, 05:06:58 PM
No, he's a super athlete though.



Yeah OK. You got the message anyway.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 05:07:03 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: southtoff on July 14, 2017, 05:38:18 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.
Mahrez
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: mikey_blue on July 14, 2017, 05:43:40 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.


Di Maria and Ozil.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 14, 2017, 05:51:27 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.



Lanky waifs without physical presence, don't need much room whatsoever.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 05:52:17 PM
I think you are both right pjk and brap2.  Dowell needs to get some weight not to be like THOR but just to be stronger without diminishing his abilities.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ari on July 14, 2017, 05:53:55 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.

You mean kind of a player Pat Nevin was?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 14, 2017, 05:57:01 PM
It's how strong you are mentally really. You can have the broadest shoulders like Rom and get brushed off the ball easily or you can be smaller with a slighter frame like Roy Keane and be renowned as one of toughest players to play against.

I think you can generally tell within a few games which players have it upstairs and which don't. My fear with Dowell from watching him is he just doesn't have an aggressive streak whereas a smaller lad the same age like Davies does.
You either have 'it' or you don't, no amount of weights can create that mental toughness on a pitch.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 14, 2017, 06:36:01 PM


Di Maria and Ozil.

Ozil a good shout.

Di Maria a pace machine though.

Anyway as our good mate Ari says, it's not about turning him into Thor, just getting a bit more about him to cope with men's football.

I think undsworth said he struggled with his growth spurt, reminiscent of m Keane's story actually, probably difficult for him too because he's used to being a little tricky player with quick feet then suddenly has to deal with big gangly legs and a totally different centre of gravity.

I love watching dowell he's a quality technician, strikes a ball beautifully as well, clearly a very good understanding with Davies but yeah I would worry about him in men's footy.

Someone on twitter said send him to the continent to develop in a different atmosphere. France or Germany would be good. Physical but good focus on tactical elements and technical ability.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 14, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
You can be a tiny, low centre of gravity sharp turn midfielder, or a pacey midfielder, or a tall, strong midfielder, but there's almost no room whatsoever for a lanky waif with technique and no physical presence.

Give me one example of a player like that playing in a top league.

John Stones
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: hill135 on July 14, 2017, 08:33:54 PM
Javier pastore.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: kramer0 on July 14, 2017, 08:37:41 PM
Dowell has a great footballing brain for someone so young and his game always seems to go up a level when he plays with the first team. A lot of that is down to getting most of his first team opportunities against weaker opposition but I also think he benefits from the intelligence and movement of the senior players. At the U23 level, there are only a few players who are fully on his wavelength, like Davies and Walsh, but that number goes up with the first team which makes the game easier for him. I think this explains some of his "inconsistency" at the U23 level: Dowell relies a lot on his teammates' movement and understanding of the game and those things are erratic in younger players, as you would expect.

I hope he continues to play this summer. Dowell might not be in Koeman's plans for the upcoming season but he deserves the chance to show what he can do linking up his senior teammates, especially Rooney, Klaassen, and his good friend Davies. That's where his true quality is going to reveal itself.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: BlueForYou on July 14, 2017, 08:45:33 PM
Quality ball player

Lanky players:

Peter Crouch, Darren Anderton and Phil "SparrowLegs" Thompson
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 14, 2017, 09:16:43 PM
Reminds me a lot of Bily, who struggled because he had neither the athleticism nor the intensity to succeed at the top level in England.

Players like that will always show flashes of brilliance which remind you of their talent but will often go missing for long periods in a game because they lack the attributes to make a mark when we don't have a lot of possession.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ridge on July 14, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
How many Holgate's is David Silva or Juan Mata?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blargins on July 15, 2017, 09:12:48 AM
Carlton Palmer
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 15, 2017, 10:20:43 AM
Isn't DCL rather lanky himself?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Toddacelli on July 15, 2017, 02:41:34 PM
Your right he didn't get forward

One min 38 is my fave


But 1.00 min is a damn close 2nd place - it was a proper striker's goal - as good as any you'll see - but from a CB!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: stirlingblue on July 15, 2017, 11:23:20 PM
Because modern football is played by super athletes, not ballet dancers.

To be fair, ballet dancers are super athletes. Plus, some footballers use ballet as part of their training.

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: DanDan on July 20, 2017, 01:39:41 AM
Has quick feet and can half hit the target from outside the box
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2017, 01:43:20 AM
He's a quality, quality technician. There are big question marks over him but man I would love to see this lad kick on, with us or on loan.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Morta75 on July 20, 2017, 03:02:21 AM
Great again today when coming on in second half. Looks good for the coming season.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Macca77 on July 20, 2017, 03:45:40 AM
Hoping he gets some game time this season, hes clearly talented
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on July 20, 2017, 04:08:52 AM
I know he still has a tendency to drift out of games but I wonder if he's giving Koeman something to think about in this pre-season with Koeman wanting to see goals and assists from midfielders. If you can get the lad shooting chances around and inside the box, he'll score goals at any level, and that could be a real asset to us.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 04:12:37 AM
With Sig's transfer saga not showing any signs of being resolved and Barkley looking like he won't be fit by the start of the season I wonder if Koeman might be forced into giving Dowell a go, at least until January.

If he keeps looking threatening he won't be doing himself any harm whatsoever.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blargins on July 20, 2017, 04:34:31 AM
With Sig's transfer saga not showing any signs of being resolved and Barkley looking like he won't be fit by the start of the season I wonder if Koeman might be forced into giving Dowell a go, at least until January.

If he keeps looking threatening he won't be doing himself any harm whatsoever.

Will definitely be an option in Europe I think.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on July 20, 2017, 05:07:02 AM
Really interesting player, does seem to have a knack for the spectacular.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: mikey_blue on July 20, 2017, 05:16:18 AM
Really interesting player, does seem to have a knack for the spectacular.

Could be our next McFadden!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2017, 05:23:40 AM
Could be our next McFadden!

That's a bit harsh, I think he'll do good for us this season given a chance, Barkley going and lack of options might be the making of him
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on July 20, 2017, 05:30:56 AM
What's his best position? Where did he start most of the u23 game, last season?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blue slug on July 20, 2017, 05:40:05 AM
I think he plays off the forward so a number 10 from what my limited knowledge tells me
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 20, 2017, 05:58:04 AM
He's looking good. He's not going on loan. It's good to see. :)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2017, 06:02:13 AM
Looks ideal for the left side in front of Baines.
Title: Kieran Dowell
Post by: ally2 on July 20, 2017, 07:00:46 AM
I only caught about twenty minutes of the second half and he made a couple of poor passes. For anyone who's seen him play a lot, is his general play up to standard?  There's no doubting he can shoot.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on July 20, 2017, 07:27:45 AM
I only caught about twenty minutes of the second half and he made a couple of poor passes. For anyone who's seen him play a lot, is his general play up to standard?  There's no doubting he can shoot.



He just explodes into quality. Yeah! not enough to be the 'next thing'. But when he does, it's more than normal. If he keeps on doing it? Well! He's the next thing. I llke him. He looks good. :)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: arteta4spain on July 20, 2017, 08:37:47 AM


He just explodes into quality. Yeah! not enough to be the 'next thing'. But when he does, it's more than normal. If he keeps on doing it? Well! He's the next thing. I llke him. He looks good. :)


You know what, he looks good and I'd rather he didn't get the whole " next big thing" stamp on him. Not trying to detract and make this into a Barkley thread but I think if we just let him go at his own/Koemans pace and just let him develop he'll be a great player for us. Too much too young and the expectation could be too much or it might not and he'll thrive on the attention who knows. Watch this space. 😳😳😳
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on July 20, 2017, 12:21:07 PM
Looks ideal for the left side in front of Baines.

Looks like he'd be much more comfortable cutting in to shoot from the right. Would also limit exposure to a lack of pace as he wouldn't have to go down the outside as often plus easier to play a reverse ball to an overlapping RB using his left foot rather than the opposite on the other side.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 01:14:53 PM
Looks like he'd be much more comfortable cutting in to shoot from the right. Would also limit exposure to a lack of pace as he wouldn't have to go down the outside as often plus easier to play a reverse ball to an overlapping RB using his left foot rather than the opposite on the other side.

I think this position brings out his qualities as it's a less congested area for a player who isn't the strongest physically and plays to his strengths, which is to create with a wand of a left foot.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: stirlingblue on July 20, 2017, 01:24:33 PM
It feels like he's been around forever, can't believe he's still only 19
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on July 20, 2017, 03:48:58 PM
Looks like he'd be much more comfortable cutting in to shoot from the right. Would also limit exposure to a lack of pace as he wouldn't have to go down the outside as often plus easier to play a reverse ball to an overlapping RB using his left foot rather than the opposite on the other side.

We're not going to play a right side of Holgate/Kenny and Dowell. He'll need an experienced defender behind him if and when he plays and Baines will be able to guide him through games and offer the link up attacking overlap he seems to like to utilise.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Juanito on July 20, 2017, 03:53:51 PM
Think a season in the championship at somewhere like Derby or Leeds would do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Danny on July 20, 2017, 04:02:05 PM
It feels like he's been around forever, can't believe he's still only 19

I remember hearing about him when he was 15, was rated as a quality player.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blue1948 on July 20, 2017, 09:53:59 PM
Could be our next McFadden!
That is not fair
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on July 20, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
Looks like he'd be much more comfortable cutting in to shoot from the right. Would also limit exposure to a lack of pace as he wouldn't have to go down the outside as often plus easier to play a reverse ball to an overlapping RB using his left foot rather than the opposite on the other side.

He tends to play on the right or right of centre.

Some of his overlap work with Kenny in the WC was sublime.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on July 20, 2017, 10:14:50 PM
He tends to play on the right or right of centre.

Some of his overlap work with Kenny in the WC was sublime.

Same last season in the U-23's. It'd be a shame not to at least attempt to utilise that understanding in a competitive game at a higher level.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Robioto on July 20, 2017, 10:17:05 PM
I really hope Dowell doesn't go on loan and gets his chances in the first team. He looks ready to be part of the first team, even if it is only a few games this season.

Same with Kenny.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on July 20, 2017, 10:28:00 PM
I really hope Dowell doesn't go on loan and gets his chances in the first team. He looks ready to be part of the first team, even if it is only a few games this season.

Same with Kenny.

I don't think kenny will play. Suspect he'll only be backup even with Coleman injured
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Mac934 on July 20, 2017, 11:38:41 PM
I think Kenny looks the best and most ready of the young 'uns. Should stay and get some game time. Better option than Holgate at RB. Jury out on Martina for now.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Toffee1 on August 02, 2017, 03:42:12 AM
Season long loan to Forest according to this report.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-set-sign-everton-265603
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on August 02, 2017, 03:48:59 AM
Good move for him.

Hopefully he smashes it Coleman style.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: LucoEfc on August 02, 2017, 04:04:55 AM
Just heard that great move
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 02, 2017, 04:05:19 AM
Decent news
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Buck76 on August 02, 2017, 04:07:37 AM
Shame it's Forest thou, hopefully he develops like Antionio.... just fear for him getting game time if he gets bullied on the ball early doors..
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on August 02, 2017, 04:08:05 AM
Least it's not Sunderland
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 02, 2017, 04:17:06 AM
Shame but good move.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 02, 2017, 04:44:43 AM
http://www.forest.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34506&posts=29
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Confucius on August 02, 2017, 04:56:43 AM
http://www.forest.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34506&posts=29

OMG! What a miserable lot they are.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: DanDan on August 02, 2017, 05:00:10 AM
OMG! What a miserable lot they are.

Haha I was going to say the same
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Brownie20 on August 02, 2017, 05:03:39 AM
OMG! What a miserable lot they are.

Hahaha I love reading another team's forum
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: sam of the south on August 02, 2017, 05:26:12 AM
Only one of them was negative on there, the rest of them were dissing him for it, and bigging up Dowell.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 02, 2017, 05:47:15 AM
Got a soft spot for forest I'd like to see them back on the prem.

Watched them the other year when that Burke was breaking through and they had vellios up front and some mad LB who was just marauding but doing zero defending and I thought they looked great but they ended up shite for the rest of the season I think.

Looking forward to watching a few games and hopefully following dowell's outside the box screamer count (my guess is 4).
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Glory on August 02, 2017, 10:39:50 AM
Fuck! Pope is getting an absolute belting in there...
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 02, 2017, 07:27:37 PM
Got a soft spot for forest I'd like to see them back on the prem.

Watched them the other year when that Burke was breaking through and they had vellios up front and some mad LB who was just marauding but doing zero defending and I thought they looked great but they ended up shite for the rest of the season I think.

Looking forward to watching a few games and hopefully following dowell's outside the box screamer count (my guess is 4).

First ever game I went to was Forest vs Everton.

The old man was a forest fan and me being me chose to support the other team...
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Silas on August 02, 2017, 08:40:13 PM
Great move for him with shades of what happened with Osmans career hopefully when he went to Derby
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: bigmanbob on August 02, 2017, 10:32:42 PM
First ever game I went to was Forest vs Everton.

The old man was a forest fan and me being me chose to support the other team...
Mine too, I can remember being in the paddock and John Robertson getting loads of grief for the size of his arse!!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 02, 2017, 11:16:05 PM
What's his best position? Where did he start most of the u23 game, last season?

for england under 20's he seemed to be playing on the left side of midfield (not on the wing) either the left of the 3cm's or in the middle on the left if he was deployed with someone else,

i was pretty surprised when i saw koeman play him wide on the right, i see him more of a central midfielder..(has no pace to be on the wings)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 02, 2017, 11:43:58 PM
for england under 20's he seemed to be playing on the left side of midfield (not on the wing) either the left of the 3cm's or in the middle on the left if he was deployed with someone else,

i was pretty surprised when i saw koeman play him wide on the right, i see him more of a central midfielder..(has no pace to be on the wings)

Reckon you've got your telly upside down. I could swear he played right mid for u20s, hooking up well with Kenny st RB.....
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 02, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Reckon you've got your telly upside down. I could swear he played right mid for u20s, hooking up well with Kenny st RB.....


infact your right, lol, he played it through to kenny many many times..  but i still go by he;s more  of a CM than a winger/ RM/LM
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on August 02, 2017, 11:47:57 PM
Reckon you've got your telly upside down. I could swear he played right mid for u20s, hooking up well with Kenny st RB.....

Clearly got him mixed up with Lookman, after all all footballers look the same.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: bacon sarnie on August 02, 2017, 11:58:30 PM
Mine too, I can remember being in the paddock and John Robertson getting loads of grief for the size of his arse!!

Ciggies and lighter down his socks as well.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: BlueForYou on August 03, 2017, 01:34:08 AM
Have a good season and prove your worth with Zach Clough

Davie Weir will look after you!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Everton Mint on August 03, 2017, 03:55:34 AM
Bit of a shame he has to go, one of the next gen of top talent from FF in my opinion... good club to go to though.

And nothing beats playing proper football with points at stake.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: LucoEfc on August 03, 2017, 04:12:14 AM
for england under 20's he seemed to be playing on the left side of midfield (not on the wing) either the left of the 3cm's or in the middle on the left if he was deployed with someone else,

i was pretty surprised when i saw koeman play him wide on the right, i see him more of a central midfielder..(has no pace to be on the wings)
Forest fans think He will play on the right due to their manager playing right footers on left and left footers on right
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 03, 2017, 06:08:57 AM
Forest fans think He will play on the right due to their manager playing right footers on left and left footers on right

That would be perfect for him.

Kieron Dowell long-distance screamer estimate up to 5.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ramjam on August 03, 2017, 09:46:50 AM
Was he sold or is it a loan move?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 03, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
Was he sold or is it a loan move?

Loan
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ramjam on August 03, 2017, 10:21:33 AM
Loan

Thanks Audrey, I wouldn't like to see the next Sheedy leave the club
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Toddacelli on August 03, 2017, 07:16:32 PM
Season long loan to Forest according to this report.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/transfer-news/nottingham-forest-set-sign-everton-265603

My neck of the woods. I'll keep an eye on him!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on August 03, 2017, 07:27:46 PM
My neck of the woods. I'll keep an eye on him!

Keep your distance this time Todd don't go full on "Strac" on the lad you'll scare the shit out of him.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: American Evertonian on August 03, 2017, 07:40:30 PM
Thanks Audrey, I wouldn't like to see the next Sheedy leave the club

From all I have read there is no option to make it permanent either.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Goaljira on August 05, 2017, 04:00:15 AM
Sounds like he did alright when he came on tonight.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 05, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
Few screenshots of what the natives thought of our boy
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on August 05, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
When Rooney's legs deteriorate more next season this lad will hopefully have had a good 30 games or so under his belt to bring back into the squad. Much as it looked a strange move for us to let him go it'll probably do the lad a world of good.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: ally2 on August 05, 2017, 04:44:29 PM
Based on that I'm just glad we didn't send him to Millwall!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 05, 2017, 06:05:24 PM
- shared from the Reddit app (https://reddit.app.link/3CsFK8W7iB)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 05, 2017, 07:13:32 PM
Their forum suggests that Dowell was one of their more physical players whilst he was on the pitch.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Everton Mint on August 05, 2017, 08:33:55 PM
Ross who ?

I think KD is more than up to replacing him in the coming years.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on August 05, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
Ross who ?

I think KD is more than up to replacing him in the coming years.

You are correct, that 40 second clip I posted is all the proof I need.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: 74Blue on August 05, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
It will do him the world of good, spending a season in the Championship playing regular competitive games and potentially getting "roughed up" a little. He'll come back to Everton even better.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 09, 2017, 03:26:58 AM
Played 63 mins tonight vs The Shrews. No 30 yard screamers. More to follow...
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Toffee1 on October 29, 2017, 02:14:50 AM
Scored a hat-trick today.

http://www.skysports.com/football/hull-city-vs-n-forest/374779
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 02:25:00 AM
Scored a hat-trick today.

http://www.skysports.com/football/hull-city-vs-n-forest/374779

Really think this lad could be a genuine class player for us. You loan someone out to the Championship and that's a tough physical league with a shitload of games. It can be a bit sink or swim, and it looks like Dowell's already doing the Butterfly on cruise control the way he's playing.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 02:26:15 AM

Also, he celebrates quite calmly, like he expects to score, which can often be a sign of a class player.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Coyb12 on October 29, 2017, 02:31:46 AM
Really think this lad could be a genuine class player for us. You loan someone out to the Championship and that's a tough physical league with a shitload of games. It can be a bit sink or swim, and it looks like Dowell's already doing the Butterfly on cruise control the way he's playing.
He got hook last two weeks one after 60mins.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Silas on October 29, 2017, 02:31:50 AM
He's got a foot like Bilyaletdinov
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 02:35:21 AM
He got hook last two weeks one after 60mins.

To be expected though in that league. To go from our U23s to 40-60 first team games a season against grown men kicking the shit out of you every week, it'd be weird if he didn't have peaks and troughs. Wand of a left peg and proper composure.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 29, 2017, 02:36:44 AM
Also, he celebrates quite calmly, like he expects to score, which can often be a sign of a class player.

Pretty sure there's absolutely zero correlation between goal celebration and player quality tbh
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Coyb12 on October 29, 2017, 02:40:35 AM
To be expected though in that league. To go from our U23s to 40-60 first team games a season against grown men kicking the shit out of you every week, it'd be weird if he didn't have peaks and troughs. Wand of a left peg and proper composure.
Don't get carried away mate a bit exaggerated the grown men kicking the shit out of each other bit I think, he ok nothing more at the minute.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Goaljira on October 29, 2017, 03:05:38 AM

Also, he celebrates quite calmly, like he expects to score, which can often be a sign of a class player.

Wont be often you get a game with 5 goals all scored with left feet.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 03:35:38 AM
Pretty sure there's absolutely zero correlation between goal celebration and player quality tbh

Disagree, but then we often do.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 03:43:55 AM
He looks like he has talent but he has that kind of Bily/Ozil gait which means when the team isnít playing well heís usually the one hooked as it appears heís not grafting like the rest.

ETA: just had a look on their fans forum, theyíre not too impressed with him overall. Too lightweight it seems and doesnít deliver enough every week.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluedylan on October 29, 2017, 04:49:27 AM
He looks like he has talent but he has that kind of Bily/Ozil gait which means when the team isn’t playing well he’s usually the one hooked as it appears he’s not grafting like the rest.

ETA: just had a look on their fans forum, they’re not too impressed with him overall. Too lightweight it seems and doesn’t deliver enough every week.

In fairness, one person was moaning that he did nothing apart from win the game with a hat-trick, including two class goals. Sounded like an Evertonian.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on October 29, 2017, 10:19:05 AM
In fairness, one person was moaning that he did nothing apart from win the game with a hat-trick, including two class goals. Sounded like an Evertonian.

But this is a fair point!

@Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) has mentioned this for a while re Dowell; there is a sizeable portion of our fan base that would be quite capable of saying something very similar to that.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 12:56:58 PM
But this is a fair point!

@Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) has mentioned this for a while re Dowell; there is a sizeable portion of our fan base that would be quite capable of saying something very similar to that.

About every player!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 29, 2017, 01:03:57 PM
He looks like he has talent but he has that kind of Bily/Ozil gait which means when the team isn't playing well he's usually the one hooked as it appears he's not grafting like the rest.

ETA: just had a look on their fans forum, they're not too impressed with him overall. Too lightweight it seems and doesn't deliver enough every week.
This is where having the right manager will aid his development. Someone like Martinez would tell him heís the next Zico and to go and express himself and just fanny about all game, looking for through balls. Whereas Poch took Dembele and Ericsson (who were both seen as luxury players and had fitness issues) and turned them into solid, tactically and positionally astute pros - without crushing the flair out of them.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 01:11:40 PM
Maybe Moshiri should buy Pochís book and give it to Unsy with a 2.5 yr contract.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 29, 2017, 03:40:55 PM
He looks a very talented player doesn't he
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Silas on October 29, 2017, 04:01:32 PM
He looks great but I don't think it's some sort of misstep him being on loan. He's doing great were he is.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on October 29, 2017, 04:28:45 PM
Yeah he's putting in a decent season we should be pleased.

Love a left peg ping merchant, but that second shot was superb.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 04:46:27 PM
Letís see where he is come May. He still looks very lightweight, as attested to by the Forest fans, but he has got talent.

My gut feeling is he hasnít got what it takes to play for us but would be happy to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Silas on October 29, 2017, 04:52:07 PM
Letís see where he is come May. He still looks very lightweight, as attested to by the Forest fans, but he has got talent.

My gut feeling is he hasnít got what it takes to play for us but would be happy to be proved wrong.

You get the feeling fans would love him for a few months then treat him like they did Osman because he's not particularly quick
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 04:55:48 PM
You get the feeling fans would love him for a few months then treat him like they did Osman because he's not particularly quick

Oh heíd definitely be called lazy because heís not sprinting back to his own byline to stop the wingerís cross.
Even after putting one on the top bin from 35 yards.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: D_murph0278 on October 29, 2017, 05:00:18 PM
I've seen Dowell a few times and I've seen Sigurdsson a few times in blue. There really isn't much between them apart from value. Scary really....
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: gizzblue on October 29, 2017, 05:32:46 PM
He looks like he has talent but he has that kind of Bily/Ozil gait which means when the team isn't playing well he's usually the one hooked as it appears he's not grafting like the rest.

ETA: just had a look on their fans forum, they're not too impressed with him overall. Too lightweight it seems and doesn't deliver enough every week.
So another Barkley .😣
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 29, 2017, 05:39:51 PM
Oh he'd definitely be called lazy because he's not sprinting back to his own byline to stop the winger's cross.
Even after putting one on the top bin from 35 yards.
Which has always been my point
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on October 29, 2017, 06:48:39 PM
I think itís when fans see players like Eriksen and Sanchez etc... playing like perpetual motion; always moving, always grafting, as well as posting impressive stats and making things happen they think that should be the model to follow.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Trowel on December 02, 2017, 09:32:37 PM
Sounds like Dowell just scored another cracker.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 02, 2017, 09:35:43 PM
Connolly scored for Ipswich too
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: mikey_blue on December 02, 2017, 09:53:00 PM
https://twitter.com/prenno/status/936983859769384960

Peach
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Macca77 on December 02, 2017, 10:00:08 PM
https://twitter.com/JustinHeaton72/status/936981709991694336
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 02, 2017, 10:10:14 PM
Did we really need to spend all the money on Siggurdson ?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 02, 2017, 10:18:23 PM
Did we really need to spend all the money on Siggurdson ?
No but that's got nothing to do with dowell
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Rodenplav64 on December 02, 2017, 10:59:26 PM
No but that's got nothing to do with dowell

The lad scores some beauts from distance and free kicks which is apparently why we needed Sig so much . That is what I think it has to do with Dowell .
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on December 02, 2017, 11:14:29 PM
The lad scores some beauts from distance and free kicks which is apparently why we needed Sig so much . That is what I think it has to do with Dowell .

He's doing great out on loan.

Leave him be there.

Plus sig is starting to show his worth.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on December 02, 2017, 11:49:03 PM
He's doing great out on loan.

Leave him be there.

Plus sig is starting to show his worth.

He's not. He's playing a bit better but he's not even close to showing his worth.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on December 02, 2017, 11:52:48 PM
He's not. He's playing a bit better but he's not even close to showing his worth.

I'd say his two goals and general performances over the last few games have been very good.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: bluenuck on December 02, 2017, 11:56:14 PM
He's not. He's playing a bit better but he's not even close to showing his worth.

Starting to show his worth.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 02, 2017, 11:56:22 PM
He's not. He's playing a bit better but he's not even close to showing his worth.
If his worth is his transfer fee then I doubt he will ever be close to showing that as it was a ridiculous fee.

If his worth is creating, scoring, working hard and being a good member of the xi then he is getting there

He is a better player than dowell at the moment and dowell is getting great experience
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on December 03, 2017, 12:15:15 AM
Starting to show his worth.

Thank you
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on December 03, 2017, 12:28:15 AM
If his worth is his transfer fee then I doubt he will ever be close to showing that as it was a ridiculous fee.

If his worth is creating, scoring, working hard and being a good member of the xi then he is getting there

He is a better player than dowell at the moment and dowell is getting great experience

Agreed.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on December 05, 2017, 01:41:31 AM
Swap him with Lookman
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2017, 02:53:37 AM
Anyone got his goal from the other day
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 05, 2017, 02:56:37 AM
Anyone got his goal from the other day
About twelve posts above
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Major Clanger on December 05, 2017, 02:58:12 AM
Recalling him now would be incredibly short-sighted. He seems to be at exactly the sort of team that allows him to do his thing but he's also forced to learn necessary stuff he isn't comfortable with.

All lessons that can start to pay off come next season.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on December 05, 2017, 03:17:18 AM
About twelve posts above

Oh yeah shit Iíve actually seen it before wtf
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on December 16, 2017, 10:18:54 PM
Another long range goal today.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 16, 2017, 10:36:00 PM
Another long range goal today.
Left foot strikes always look better don't they
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: kramer0 on December 17, 2017, 12:25:51 AM
He's good.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: mikey_blue on December 17, 2017, 12:30:39 AM
https://twitter.com/101greatgoals/status/942099132306554880
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Goaljira on December 17, 2017, 12:37:17 AM
https://twitter.com/101greatgoals/status/942099132306554880
That one looked like he thought 'Fuck this, i'm not running any more...'
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Confucius on December 17, 2017, 12:39:46 AM
Deflection?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: mikey_blue on December 17, 2017, 12:43:11 AM
Heís going to be the next McFadden
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2017, 12:52:07 AM
Left foot strikes always look better don't they

All left footers seem to be pya technicians
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: School of Science on December 17, 2017, 12:59:54 AM
Jesus some strike that, effortless, reminded me of Billy that at his best, no effort just total confidence in his own ability to execute .
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on December 17, 2017, 02:40:20 AM
Deflection?

Yeah Iíd like to see it from behind the goal.

The fact that the keeper didnít move suggests it took a slightly different flight to what he expected.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blargins on December 17, 2017, 02:40:53 AM
Yeah Iíd like to see it from behind the goal.

The fact that the keeper didnít move suggests it took a slightly different flight to what he expected.

Either that or the keeper couldn't be bothered to move.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on December 17, 2017, 02:43:59 AM
Either that or the keeper couldn't be bothered to move.

Yeah he was a fair bit off his line so he could have just given up.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2017, 03:21:34 AM
think he has actually beaten my bet for outside the box pingers.

I really like the look of him as a togger player. Should model himself on Gylfi maybe, as a not too athletic but very technically sound advanced midfielder.

Ultimately a Lampard style outside the box ping merchant would do me nicely.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 17, 2017, 03:22:35 AM
think he has actually beaten my bet for outside the box pingers.

I really like the look of him as a togger player. Should model himself on Gylfi maybe, as a not too athletic but very technically sound advanced midfielder.

Ultimately a Lampard style outside the box ping merchant would do me nicely.
Gylfi is one of the most athletic players we have, covers ground like a mad man
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Dr. Sponge on December 17, 2017, 03:31:03 AM
Looks deflected, but he did well holding off his marker. Deserved a crack at the first team next season.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Major Clanger on December 17, 2017, 03:38:42 AM
Ultimately a Lampard style outside the box ping merchant would do me nicely.

He's got the deflections all sewn up already. :)
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: arteta4spain on December 17, 2017, 04:25:15 AM
Looks deflected, but he did well holding off his marker. Deserved a crack at the first team next season.
Deserves a crack at the first team in Jan. Iím made up heís pulling up trees at Forest, no pun intended! is he a no10 though or a cm? Seeing that Barkley could possibly never feature for us again. Weíve got someone possibly waiting in the wings!
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: ally2 on December 17, 2017, 05:15:02 AM
Definite eye for goal but I've not seen enough minutes to know what he contributes beyond that
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on December 17, 2017, 06:16:02 AM
He's got the deflections all sewn up already. :)

Exactly
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on December 17, 2017, 06:22:25 AM
Gylfi is one of the most athletic players we have, covers ground like a mad man

Iíve seen faster lollipop men over 10 yards.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: howard1334 on December 17, 2017, 02:05:02 PM
Iíve seen faster lollipop men over 10 yards.

His speed over short distances and quickness generally is definitely lacking, but apparently (and this shocked me) his top speed is not too shabby. He clocked over 30 KM in the first half of last match, which was the fastest of any player on the pitch at half time.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: BlueForYou on December 17, 2017, 02:54:54 PM
A Le Tissier throwback
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: everton1952 on December 17, 2017, 03:26:52 PM
Big decisions for Sam. Does he bring Dowell and maybe Connolly back or even Browning into a 25 player squad, and if so who does he dump? The other left back fella who they forgot to register as well, and does not even appear on the club website, his name escapes me, (ex-loanee at Fulham).
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bluebridge on December 17, 2017, 03:53:02 PM
Big decisions for Sam. Does he bring Dowell and maybe Connolly back or even Browning into a 25 player squad, and if so who does he dump? The other left back fella who they forgot to register as well, and does not even appear on the club website, his name escapes me, (ex-loanee at Fulham).
Luke Garbutt
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on December 17, 2017, 04:03:04 PM
No point in bringing Dowell back. What heís doing is the idea of the loan in the first place so why stop it?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on December 17, 2017, 04:03:56 PM
Iíve seen faster lollipop men over 10 yards.

Itís more that he does a lot of running.

Dowell can drift through games which doesnít go down well with sections of the fan base...
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Thornton_19 on December 17, 2017, 04:49:42 PM
I'd like to see him Loaned out again next season to a Prem club.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: ally2 on December 17, 2017, 05:14:23 PM
Yeah would be interesting to send him to Burnley say
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Goaljira on December 17, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
Big decisions for Sam. Does he bring Dowell and maybe Connolly back or even Browning into a 25 player squad, and if so who does he dump? The other left back fella who they forgot to register as well, and does not even appear on the club website, his name escapes me, (ex-loanee at Fulham).
Connolly and Dowell wouldnt need registering due to their ages at the start of the season.  We've only got Gethin Jones and Sam Byrne registered who we could realistically completely count out of first team contention.  Possibly Funes Mori depending on when he's expected back.

Any other additions would need someone shipping out, be it Barkley, Besic, McCarthy, etc.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 07:52:46 PM
Just spent the morning with a Notts Forest season ticket holder and had a good chat about Dowell. He say he's improving all the time, decision-making is getting better and work-rate too, you can see the progression month by month. Fitness-wise looks a struggle to play a decent 90 minutes and he's still too lightweight and gets caught on the ball too often but you can see he has talent.
In his opinion he's nowhere near ready to play Premier League football and probably won't be at the end of this season. Another year on loan would do him the world of good whether it's at Forest or otherwise until he develops into a mans frame as he is still quite boyish in his physicality.

Bearing in mind we do still have a glut of players in that position even after we offload a few there's no need to integrate him into the first team squad until he's ready for it. Wouldn't be the first to have a couple of loan moves before establishing himself.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lincs Toffee on December 20, 2017, 08:44:43 PM
Just spent the morning with a Notts Forest season ticket holder and had a good chat about Dowell. He say he's improving all the time, decision-making is getting better and work-rate too, you can see the progression month by month. Fitness-wise looks a struggle to play a decent 90 minutes and he's still too lightweight and gets caught on the ball too often but you can see he has talent.
In his opinion he's nowhere near ready to play Premier League football and probably won't be at the end of this season. Another year on loan would do him the world of good whether it's at Forest or otherwise until he develops into a mans frame as he is still quite boyish in his physicality.

Bearing in mind we do still have a glut of players in that position even after we offload a few there's no need to integrate him into the first team squad until he's ready for it. Wouldn't be the first to have a couple of loan moves before establishing himself.
Perfect replacement for Rooney then?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: D15TIN on December 20, 2017, 09:14:22 PM
Just spent the morning with a Notts Forest season ticket holder and had a good chat about Dowell. He say he's improving all the time, decision-making is getting better and work-rate too, you can see the progression month by month. Fitness-wise looks a struggle to play a decent 90 minutes and he's still too lightweight and gets caught on the ball too often but you can see he has talent.
In his opinion he's nowhere near ready to play Premier League football and probably won't be at the end of this season. Another year on loan would do him the world of good whether it's at Forest or otherwise until he develops into a mans frame as he is still quite boyish in his physicality.

Bearing in mind we do still have a glut of players in that position even after we offload a few there's no need to integrate him into the first team squad until he's ready for it. Wouldn't be the first to have a couple of loan moves before establishing himself.
True, Osman didn't start regularly until he was 24
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2017, 09:34:41 PM
This is the kind of development that Barkley and Davies could have done with.
Hopefully send him to a promoted PL team next season with a clause that he has to play in so many games.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2017, 10:03:11 PM
This is the kind of development that Barkley and Davies could have done with.
Hopefully send him to a promoted PL team next season with a clause that he has to play in so many games.
Barkley went to sheff weds and Leeds
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on December 20, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
Barkley went to sheff weds and Leeds

I know, but if I remember he didn't really get too much game time, was it Neil Warnock who just stopped playing him?

Edit - I've just looked, he got 13 games for Wednesday and 4 games for Leeds.

Dowell has already had more than that combined, and scored more goals, so it's nothing like the same really, especially if we're talking about Dowell spending another full season on loan.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
I know, but if I remember he didn't really get too much game time, was it Neil Warnock who just stopped playing him?
He was sound at sheff weds but yeah struggled at Leeds cos of warnock
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: mikey_blue on December 20, 2017, 10:11:05 PM
I know, but if I remember he didn't really get too much game time, was it Neil Warnock who just stopped playing him?

Didn't like him because he couldn't defend. Not exactly the panicle of managers, but there's been a fair few that haven't got onto the Barkley hype.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Major Clanger on December 20, 2017, 10:17:28 PM
That Barkley loan to Leeds was simply a terrible idea.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on December 20, 2017, 10:20:26 PM
That Barkley loan to Leeds was simply a terrible idea.
Couldn't get in cos warnock wanted Michael brown

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on December 20, 2017, 10:59:42 PM
That Barkley loan to Leeds was simply a terrible idea.

I can see why he went in theory, Moyes mentioned at the time he wanted him to get used to playing in front of big crowds with the pressure. The fly in the ointment was that their manager at the time was Neil Warnock.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: BlueForYou on December 21, 2017, 12:18:07 AM
Warnock's reason for sending him back was because Barkley would not take on responsibility



Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on December 21, 2017, 12:30:36 AM
Bournemouth (in the PL) next season would be an ideal loan.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: ally2 on December 21, 2017, 12:33:51 AM
At that time he was garbage. At least he developed a bit back with us but at Leeds he was was like an extreme version of when he played for us. In a bad way. Very hard to back a player in the championship when they're in the heart of your midfield in a tough league, lose the ball, and make no effort to get it back.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 07, 2018, 09:26:23 PM
Starting today against Arsenal in the cup.


Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 07, 2018, 10:23:05 PM
Dowel assist. Brilliant. Goal
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 07, 2018, 10:23:19 PM
Just put a beauty of a free kick in to set up Forests opener.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Heisenberg on January 07, 2018, 10:46:41 PM
Great assist but not really been in the game
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: everton1952 on January 07, 2018, 11:32:05 PM
Cup tied now and can't play for us, oh I forgot.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Audrey Horne on January 07, 2018, 11:48:02 PM
Dowel scores a penalty. Boss game this
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: BlueMaquis on January 07, 2018, 11:48:27 PM
Why were the commentators so adamant that Dowell's penalty was a double kick? It looked fine to me, he just slipped.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: cantoffee on January 07, 2018, 11:57:41 PM
Why were the commentators so adamant that Dowell's penalty was a double kick? It looked fine to me, he just slipped.
No, he definitely kicked it off his standing foot as he slipped. It was slight but it kept the ball from going towards the corner. Should have been a re-take.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2018, 12:02:12 AM
No, he definitely kicked it off his standing foot as he slipped. It was slight but it kept the ball from going towards the corner. Should have been a re-take.

Surely if he's kicked it twice it's a free kick against forest rather than a retake?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on January 08, 2018, 12:08:53 AM
Surely if he's kicked it twice it's a free kick against forest rather than a retake?

Correct

Who's arsed tho, it's Arsenal
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 08, 2018, 12:14:59 AM
Could save us a lot of money in the summer.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on January 08, 2018, 12:16:58 AM
Could see him and Coleman forming a boss partnership.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 08, 2018, 02:24:23 AM
https://twitter.com/scoutedftbl/status/948478035912773632
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MexicanToffee on January 08, 2018, 02:26:07 AM
Hopefully next season we will see this lad in the first team squad.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 02:28:01 AM
Sadly the lad doesnít seem compatible with our managers ethos.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 02:28:37 AM
Sadly the lad doesnít seem compatible with our managers ethos.

Why?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2018, 02:32:45 AM
Why?

Because he needs a stick to beat our manager with and so he just said it.

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 02:33:44 AM
Why?

Well he obviously likes the ball at his feet with quick intricate play and movement in the forward positions, nothing like weíve ever seen from an Allardyce team before now or will likely ever here or wherever next he lands. 
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 02:37:29 AM
Because he needs a stick to beat our manager with and so he just said it.



The quality of football on offer speaks for itself nobody should need a stick to beat him with.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 08, 2018, 02:42:47 AM
Well he obviously likes the ball at his feet with quick intricate play and movement in the forward positions, nothing like we've ever seen from an Allardyce team before now or will likely ever here or wherever next he lands.
Jay-Jay Okocha says Ďhií.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2018, 02:45:30 AM
The quality of football on offer speaks for itself nobody should need a stick to beat him with.

We were brilliant before he came too. Regressed massively. Were known as the Merseyside Barcelona under koeman. Not anymore. I say he best allardyce with sticks literally
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 08, 2018, 02:46:18 AM
Jay-Jay Okocha says "hi'.
JJ okocha had a beast of a long throw as well
Does dowell?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2018, 02:49:17 AM
Jay-Jay Okocha says Ďhií.

But he hasn't managed to turn Niasse into JJ OKocha. That's the issue
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 02:52:10 AM
Jay-Jay Okocha says Ďhií.

Yeah one player about 12 years ago in how many hundreds heís bought saying ďhiĒ.

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 02:52:58 AM
We were brilliant before he came too. Regressed massively. Were known as the Merseyside Barcelona under koeman. Not anymore. I say he best allardyce with sticks literally

Whatís it matter what happened before Allardyce?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2018, 02:57:34 AM
Whatís it matter what happened before Allardyce?

Because that's what he's working with. How can you even suggest it doesn't matter
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 03:08:12 AM
Because that's what he's working with. How can you even suggest it doesn't matter

Weíre talking about a young players future next season thatís why. Not the here and now.

I thought that was very obvious.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Heisenberg on January 08, 2018, 03:10:58 AM
I reckon he'd be best left at forrest next season. Or on loan to whoever comes up via play offs
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: nsno on January 08, 2018, 03:14:14 AM
Yeah one player about 12 years ago in how many hundreds heís bought saying ďhiĒ.


Yeah one player about 12 years ago in how many hundreds heís bought saying ďhiĒ.


Yuri djorkaeff also says hi, so does anelka, diouf, nzonzi and Gary speed. Its easy to judge him but he signs players that suit the situation he finds himself in. People need to realise how shit our squad actually is and give the man a chance to have a good old crack at this job.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2018, 03:14:55 AM
Weíre talking about a young players future next season thatís why. Not the here and now.

I thought that was very obvious.

The football speaks for itself is what you said. So no it wasn't obvious
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Escla on January 08, 2018, 03:30:12 AM
The quality of football on offer speaks for itself nobody should need a stick to beat him with.

You clearly do, what a load of bollocks you spout.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: bogie on January 08, 2018, 03:36:48 AM
The quality of football on offer speaks for itself nobody should need a stick to beat him with.

lol

we were shipping 3/4/5 goals a fucking game , for sure the new man coming in would be putting most of his time sorting that shit out and he has
now he will work on keeping the ball and you will see that over the next few weeks
then attacking play need I go on or are you just going to stay on the hate wagon all the fucking time
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2018, 03:41:44 AM
Sam loves his flair players.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 08, 2018, 03:44:00 AM
We all know he brought in Okocha because he could fucking launch a throw-in Rory Delap style.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 04:01:40 AM
Honestly imagine being so delusional to think Allardyce places an enforces on young flair players who shine in passing attacking teams.

It seems all of a sudden weíve had a new ďBig SamĒ beamed down from planet football and nothing thatís been seen so far either here or elsewhere ever existed. 
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 08, 2018, 04:01:51 AM
lol

we were shipping 3/4/5 goals a fucking game , for sure the new man coming in would be putting most of his time sorting that shit out and he has
now he will work on keeping the ball and you will see that over the next few weeks
then attacking play need I go on or are you just going to stay on the hate wagon all the fucking time
If he can bring attacking style to the team I'll gladly admit I'm wrong

No other Allardyce side has had attacking flair so it will be a huge thing for him to do
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2018, 04:06:48 AM
Honestly imagine being so delusional to think Allardyce places an enforces on young flair players who shine in passing attacking teams.

It seems all of a sudden weíve had a new ďBig SamĒ beamed down from planet football and nothing thatís been seen so far either here or elsewhere ever existed. 

He's the only manager to get the best out of ravel Morrison.

There's an example of him letting a young player flourish.

We're never going to play free flowing, open, expansive football under Sam Allardyce. That doesn't mean he's not going to use the so called 'flair' players.

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 04:17:48 AM
He's the only manager to get the best out of ravel Morrison.

There's an example of him letting a young player flourish.

We're never going to play free flowing, open, expansive football under Sam Allardyce. That doesn't mean he's not going to use the so called 'flair' players.



Haha yeah Ravel Morrison flourished under him didnít he...

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on January 08, 2018, 04:18:54 AM
Edit: Stop that.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2018, 04:24:45 AM
Haha yeah Ravel Morrison flourished under him didnít he...



Yes. The only manager to manage to get a tune out of him.

As I say, he's likes his attacking flair players. They just have to show they'll fit into his system and they'll get game time.

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: GLewis on January 08, 2018, 04:28:27 AM
Yes. The only manager to manage to get a tune out of him.

As I say, he's likes his attacking flair players. They just have to show they'll fit into his system and they'll get game time.



Yeah Iíd say the ďissueĒ is that he sets up the team to be solid and then wants one of the flair players to do something to win the game; rather than constant attacking etc.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: oztoffee on January 08, 2018, 04:29:36 AM
FFS. Some of you people need a reality check. I was a bit ahem! about Sam coming here but certainly not anti. I think too many were getting the 'if he comes, we are a shit team because he only goes to shit clubs' thing.
Reality check: We were and are still shit. Give over with the hate and let the man do his job. He's working with the same players that Koeman bought and coached into a significant total fuck-up of a team, yet is getting results.

He's giving young players opportunities to show what they can do. Some aren't going to make it, no matter what others say. Allardyce sees these guys day in, day out at FF, he has experience far in advance of what probably almost everyone on this forum has. If there's anyone on here who thinks they can do better, why aren't you a Prem Manager?
 I despair at times about the ignorance and downright stupidity of some on here who are saying 'I don't like his football', or 'he's been here x weeks and we're still shit.' What the fuck do you expect? He inherited perhaps the worst Everton team I've had the misfortune to see, and I'm old enough to have seen many, trust me. As far as being shit is concerned, we will still be shit for some time yet, at least until we can improve the roster.

In the meantime, give the bloke a fair go. He's trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's arse and not doing too badly under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 04:53:53 AM
Yes. The only manager to manage to get a tune out of him.

As I say, he's likes his attacking flair players. They just have to show they'll fit into his system and they'll get game time.



Haha ďGet a tune out of himĒ? He played 20 odd games in about 4 years under Allardyce at West Ham.

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: ally2 on January 08, 2018, 04:54:23 AM
Moving speech oztoffee, and I totally agree, but you're wasting your time with it on here.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: ally2 on January 08, 2018, 04:55:43 AM
Haha "Get a tune out of himĒ? He played 20 odd games in about 4 years under Allardyce at West Ham.

Alright a riff then
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 08, 2018, 04:56:55 AM
Moving speech oztoffee, and I totally agree, but you're wasting your time with it on here.

Innit. I didnít even read it and I strongly reject his ideas. 
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2018, 05:00:54 AM
Haha ďGet a tune out of himĒ? He played 20 odd games in about 4 years under Allardyce at West Ham.



I'd say his lack of games was due to his dreadful attitude which has lead to him being released from pretty much everywhere he's been.

But allardyce has still been the only manager to get something out of him.

Anyway, my point is allardyce isn't afraid of using flair players like you suggest.

He likes his flair players and won't hesitate to use them if they can prove they can fit into his system.

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ross on January 08, 2018, 05:18:55 AM
Alright a riff then

Pink Floyd had long concept albums than Ravel Morrison spent time on the pitch under Sam Allardyce at West Ham.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2018, 05:21:24 AM
Have a day off you fucking divvy
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 08, 2018, 04:20:34 PM
He's the only manager to get the best out of ravel Morrison.

There's an example of him letting a young player flourish.

We're never going to play free flowing, open, expansive football under Sam Allardyce. That doesn't mean he's not going to use the so called 'flair' players.



Ravel Morrison being used with regards to football . Ross you stopped laughing yet ?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on January 08, 2018, 05:00:35 PM
I know what you're saying @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) but to be fair the Morrison shout was a poor example.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 08, 2018, 05:46:19 PM
Tbf there was a lot of collective tossing off when the kid hit form. Plus he got a move to Lazio - my inner child calls that a baller move.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 08, 2018, 05:54:12 PM
Tbf there was a lot of collective tossing off when the kid hit form. Plus he got a move to Lazio - my inner child calls that a baller move.

And now he's battling it out at the bottom end of the Mexican league
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: TheRam on January 08, 2018, 05:58:35 PM
So everyone is missing the point I'm making then?

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on January 08, 2018, 06:08:09 PM
And now he's battling it out at the bottom end of the Mexican league

If only he'd stayed with sam.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 08, 2018, 06:36:21 PM
So everyone is missing the point I'm making then?



That Big Sam likes flair players?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: brap2 on January 08, 2018, 07:50:35 PM
Itís a feature of sams teams that he actually does like individual creative players. No surprise to see Sigurdssonís form turn around.

Itís just, as has been mentioned, he doesnít do anything specific - just likes them to create a goal through being naturally creative and close to the box.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 08, 2018, 08:09:46 PM
Tbf I remember the 2013/2014 season people were saying Ravel Morrison should be going to the next World Cup in 2014. I remember TalkSport (terrible I know) having a poll about who should go out of Morrison, Barkley and someone else, and Morrison come out on top, he had a great season that year, looked like a future star. I haven't got a clue who his manager was at the time though.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 08, 2018, 09:51:40 PM
Itís a feature of sams teams that he actually does like individual creative players. No surprise to see Sigurdssonís form turn around.

Itís just, as has been mentioned, he doesnít do anything specific - just likes them to create a goal through being naturally creative and close to the box.

I think any Manager has to have someone with a bit of creativity in any team and it is hard to find one that doesn't . There is no doubt Sam gets hamstrung by his last few years rather than Bolton and some of the players he has had under him . He did actually get Van Arnholt and Borini playing really well .
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 08, 2018, 09:52:21 PM
 :bonk:

Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Rodenplav64 on January 08, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
Bournemouth (in the PL) next season would be an ideal loan.

I am not being funny but we are hardly Barcelona so whats wrong with him getting his development here and us spending less on average shit like Klassen and Schneiderlin ?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: bogie on January 08, 2018, 11:40:43 PM
If he can bring attacking style to the team I'll gladly admit I'm wrong

No other Allardyce side has had attacking flair so it will be a huge thing for him to do

you really think that Bolton side could not play football as well as mix it up
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Cereal Killer on January 09, 2018, 12:37:04 AM
you really think that Bolton side could not play football as well as mix it up

I'm all for giving him time before making a judgement, but people pedalling out Bolton constantly, that was 10-18 years ago ffs

1. Football has moved on a lot since then
2. If that was a key element of his managerial tactics, why hasn't he implemented anywhere else since?
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 01:28:01 AM
Back on subject

Be interesting to see what karanka does with him... He's quite a negative manger so could be a useful insight
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Shogun on January 09, 2018, 01:35:54 AM
Back on subject

Be interesting to see what karanka does with him... He's quite a negative manger so could be a useful insight

They got a lot of talented young players in attack, weird appointment.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 09, 2018, 02:25:24 AM
They got a lot of talented young players in attack, weird appointment.
They seem to either win or lose
Guess this is to turn them losses into draws
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: bogie on January 09, 2018, 02:40:48 AM
Back on subject

Be interesting to see what karanka does with him... He's quite a negative manger so could be a useful insight

you mean doom and gloom or a defence over every thing manager
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Lxxx on January 09, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
Back on subject

Be interesting to see what karanka does with him... He's quite a negative manger so could be a useful insight

If he improves his work-rate it'll be good for him. He's still referred to as quite a luxury player by the Forest fans as he goes missing a lot, so if he can turn the quiet periods into giving more without the ball then it'll stand him in good stead for the step up.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: mikey_blue on January 09, 2018, 03:43:09 PM
Probably the most successful loan since Coleman to Blackpool?

Really happy for the lad.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Bob Sacamano on January 11, 2018, 04:59:22 AM
Nice little thread on him here.
https://twitter.com/nffc/status/951159219402702848

I particularly like this one
https://twitter.com/gukci/status/951159712669753344
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 12:08:13 AM
Same agent as Stones and Barkley  :-[
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Ravardo on January 12, 2018, 12:11:25 AM
Who made £7m off the barkley deal
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on January 12, 2018, 12:12:47 AM
Who made £7m off the barkley deal

Hopefully he doesn't want to make the same from doing similar with Dowell.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: Jimmywhack on January 12, 2018, 12:14:45 AM
Nice little thread on him here.
https://twitter.com/nffc/status/951159219402702848

I particularly like this one
https://twitter.com/gukci/status/951159712669753344
Loving the amount of fake taxi memes
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: pjk on January 12, 2018, 04:12:38 AM
Here's some info on Paul Martin. I'm not sure if this has been posted, but if not, this is pretty interesting though a bit concerning, as I think most rate Kieran Dowell.




https://twitter.com/EFC_Statto/status/951214729556561921
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: bigmanbob on January 12, 2018, 04:34:21 AM
Cheers mate, interesting stuff
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on January 12, 2018, 04:35:42 AM
If im being honest, I cant see dowell cutting it at the top in the premier league. Might be one we cast off the end of the conveyor for £8-10m.
Title: Re: Kieran Dowell
Post by: blue slug on January 12, 2018, 04:39:28 AM
I long for the old days when the club owned the player even though it probably isnít right