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Title: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Paddockoldie on July 22, 2017, 03:34:38 AM
I worry for this fella because it's gonna be hard for him to get in to the midfield we have. I like him and think there's a crackin player in there if he can keep fit and play to improve. Was thinking, now don't bitch slap me, but could he okay sweeper along side Keane... Like the Rat and Degsy in the 80's? He's not as fast as the Rat... Who was? But he's aggressive and can play with good skills... Anyway I've got one arm in my sleeve and am near the door...over to yous
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: ally2 on July 22, 2017, 03:43:21 AM
I have no idea. Haven't seen enough of him to even come up with an opinion. I hope he does well because he's our player. Does he have a history of playing in centre defence?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: brap2 on July 22, 2017, 03:45:09 AM
I have no idea. Haven't seen enough of him to even come up with an opinion. I hope he does well because he's our player. Does he have a history of playing in centre defence?

Sorta.

I've said before that veratti should be his model. Tough, aggressive tackles, tight control and dribbling under pressure with expansive passing all with a small, low centre of gravity frame.

No idea what he's got in the tank but at his best he starts to look a little like that.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Major Clanger on July 22, 2017, 03:46:30 AM
I have no idea. Haven't seen enough of him to even come up with an opinion. I hope he does well because he's our player. Does he have a history of playing in centre defence?

He did play there for a bit in Hungary but that's hardly an indicator of quality.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Risky on July 22, 2017, 03:48:52 AM
He's got to stay fit first and foremost.  I'm not sure if he's gone more than about 6 or 7 games without an injury in his time with us so it's really impossible to judge him properly.

Maybe it will actually be good for him to be backup and not be thrown straight in after time out like he was previously.  If he can build up to proper fitness then maybe he can take his chance when he gets it, as there's certainly a player in there.

I think he's probably only ever an emergency option at CB though.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on July 22, 2017, 05:26:25 AM
His stature sort of rules him out as a fully effective PL centreback so as mentioned hes kinda last resort there. That said I think he'll be adequate back up for gana give their similar levels tenacity and energy. Ive got a real soft spot for the fella and given his injury woes i think hes behaved impeccably and been thankful when given the opportunity.

I think theres quite a bit more to offer from this lad as long as he stays fit.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 22, 2017, 05:32:57 AM
given his injury woes i think hes behaved impeccably

What else would he do?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on July 22, 2017, 05:34:15 AM
What else would he do?

Origami?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Ross on July 22, 2017, 05:36:24 AM
Origami?

Probably get a bad paper cut that'd keep him out for 6 months.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on July 22, 2017, 05:42:23 AM
Probably get a bad paper cut that'd keep him out for 6 months.

Probably better than sepsis from dodgy tattoos....
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: hill135 on July 22, 2017, 06:37:01 AM
Sell.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on July 22, 2017, 03:06:13 PM
No idea if he is actually a footballer. I once saw a video of him running very fast alongside Gareth Bale but but not sure if that makes him a baller or not.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: gizzblue on July 22, 2017, 06:49:33 PM
On the few occasions I did see him at Goodison hes deffo got the talent ,although the fitness is an issue and we are gonna need cover with the amount of games we have this year ....im a fan of the lad ...hes tough and hard in the tackle ....also pretty quick .
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 22, 2017, 10:40:20 PM
Throw him in the bin.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: TheRam on July 22, 2017, 10:46:42 PM
Have him nowhere near centre half.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Tinga on July 22, 2017, 11:17:32 PM
Besic did well when he was in the team against City. Some people on here are sometimes very moronic in what they say.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: TheRam on July 22, 2017, 11:20:34 PM
Besic did well when he was in the team against City. Some people on here are sometimes very moronic in what they say.

Mate, that was like 18 months ago
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Tinga on July 22, 2017, 11:23:07 PM
Mate, that was like 18 months ago

Aye and some people questioning whether he is a footballer or not are moronic.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 22, 2017, 11:37:29 PM
Aye and some people questioning whether he is a footballer or not are moronic.

1 decent game (that can't have been that good as I don't remember it) in 3 years due to injuries? Let's not forget even Martinez hauled him off the pitch he was that pathetic in one particular game.

That's probably why people are questioning him... And rightly so.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 22, 2017, 11:37:43 PM
Yeah he's deffo not a footballer.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: TheRam on July 22, 2017, 11:42:21 PM
Aye and some people questioning whether he is a footballer or not are moronic.

The fact you've had to dig up a game from 18 months ago kind of proves everyone's point, doesn't it?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Major Clanger on July 22, 2017, 11:54:37 PM
Yeah, it's a lot better to judge him over 20 minutes in a pre-season game. :)
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 23, 2017, 12:00:25 AM
To be fair, there have been precious few opportunities to judge him since. I think when he's had a run in the team he's largely been pretty effective.

Now we have Gana, Schneiderlin and Davies ahead of him, we're not as reliant on him being fit (just as well) and leaving us with just Barry and McCarthy. I'd like to see him stay this season and see if he can keep himself fit. I really think he'd be a handy option from the bench and particularly on a Sunday against Burnley or in the EL.

If not - because he's injured or doesn't perform - there comes a point where we have to say enough is enough and wish him well for his future away from Everton.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Goaljira on July 23, 2017, 12:02:41 AM
Yeah, he's not a centre half.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 23, 2017, 12:02:47 AM
we're not as reliant on him being fit

We've never been reliant on him being fit because he never has been.

Come the summer (if not sooner) I'm fairly certain that he'll be on his way and he can be remembered as yet another Martinez flop.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 23, 2017, 12:08:56 AM
Yeah, it's a lot better to judge him over 20 minutes in a pre-season game. :)

I must say that I'm impressed that he's managed to play 20minutes of football, but I'm blown away that he's done it in a single match. We've turned a corner and we may get over 60 minutes of football from him this season.

Disclaimer: I'm in no way suggesting he may play 60minutes in a single match. I'm not mental.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2017, 01:39:31 AM
It's worth remembering he's been with us three years, lest people forget and think he's not had enough time to really make his mark.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Cassius on July 23, 2017, 01:42:49 AM
Yeah, despite the injuries and doubt over his long term worth, he's not a centre half.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Tinga on July 23, 2017, 02:07:19 AM
Did Besic shag your mums or something?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: TheRam on July 23, 2017, 02:10:32 AM
Did Besic shag your mums or something?

He actually shagged yours behind my back hence my animosity towards him.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 23, 2017, 02:11:20 AM
Did Besic shag your mums or something?

As if he could manage it without getting injured
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Tinga on July 23, 2017, 02:11:49 AM
He actually shagged yours behind my back hence my animosity towards him.

What do you even say to this. It barely even makes sense haha.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: AllyBlue14 on July 23, 2017, 02:20:13 AM
We've never been reliant on him being fit because he never has been.

Come the summer (if not sooner) I'm fairly certain that he'll be on his way and he can be remembered as yet another Martinez flop.

Just because he never has been fit doesn't mean we haven't needed him to be. We pretty much had Mccarthy and Barry and that was it.

Previously, he was vying for a regular first team slot, but now we're mainly hoping he'll prove useful cover during a busier season. As we have more strength in depth, we can look at it more from a footballing sense - personally, I think there's a useful player in there, but there's only so long you can carry an injury prone player on your books - but if he's not up to it, we move along.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: hill135 on July 23, 2017, 02:50:41 AM
He's barely played well for Everton, he's always injured, he's not even young anymore, and he loves a yellow card.

There's nothing to suggest he's going to a good player for Everton.

He was clearly bought off the back of that one game at the WC. Move him on.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2017, 05:01:28 AM
He's barely played well for Everton, he's always injured, he's not even young anymore, and he loves a yellow card.

There's nothing to suggest he's going to a good player for Everton.

He was clearly bought off the back of that one game at the WC. Move him on.

He was a typical Martinez signing. Bought on a whim by a guy who thought his knowledge of the game meant he could spot a player on one showing. 4m as well. Not even a cheap punt, three years ago that was still a tasty fee for an unknown lad from a pub league.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: stirlingblue on July 23, 2017, 05:37:59 AM
He was a typical Martinez signing. Bought on a whim by a guy who thought his knowledge of the game meant he could spot a player on one showing. 4m as well. Not even a cheap punt, three years ago that was still a tasty fee for an unknown lad from a pub league.

To be fair, he'd probably fetch about 7.5m if we sold him now
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Realist on July 23, 2017, 05:52:09 AM
Release him, he's crap, The Oyster and The Pineapple are looking for players
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: blue1948 on July 23, 2017, 11:06:56 AM
We've never been reliant on him being fit because he never has been.

Come the summer (if not sooner) I'm fairly certain that he'll be on his way and he can be remembered as yet another Martinez flop.
Do you ever read your own comments "Come the summer" if not sooner ?????????. I had to check the date of the post twice !
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Rhys on July 23, 2017, 02:15:58 PM
Yeah, it's a lot better to judge him over 20 minutes in a pre-season game. :)

I think it is safe to say from that 20 minutes he should never play centre half in a professional game for us. Taking up a position left wing back to receive the ball and leaving 45 yards of space in between him and Keane was bad enough. To then play a crossfield pass about 10 yards from goal to Keane in the box made it worse, but topped it off with dribbling past the striker 3 yards from goal in his own 6 yard box.

I don't think he was doing those things because it's a friendly either! Keane must have kept looking left thinking where's he going now.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 23, 2017, 02:35:35 PM
Do you ever read your own comments "Come the summer" if not sooner ?????????. I had to check the date of the post twice !

Obviously next year
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2017, 03:33:03 PM
To be fair, he'd probably fetch about 7.5m if we sold him now

Based on what?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on July 23, 2017, 03:49:10 PM
I think we will keep him to be part of our eight changes for our third round cup exit.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: stirlingblue on July 23, 2017, 03:51:36 PM
Based on what?

Based on the fact that Liverpool just sold that lad who nobody has heard of for 8m
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2017, 04:34:58 PM
Based on the fact that Liverpool just sold that lad who nobody has heard of for 8m

You could put together a montage of Besic's best bits over the three years with us and struggle to justify why we paid 4m for him, let alone suggest he's nearly doubled in value.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: stirlingblue on July 23, 2017, 05:01:41 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Stewart_(footballer)

He's a year younger than Besic and has 25ish career professional games compared to Besic's 100+ at club level and 40 international appearances.

I'm by no means suggesting Besic is a world beater, but I really do think we'd get 7.5m-10m for him in today's market.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 23, 2017, 05:49:38 PM
super mo is super mo, hate all you want, if it wasnt for his injuries, he;d be on a next level, he has the technique, some flair, can spray a pass, and works his fucking arse off.

yeah i understand 3 years and he hasnt done shit,. i dont fucking care. the next 3 years he will kick on.

the pride he shows, how he loves the club, only kopites would hate as all their players are mercs, bought in and never fall for the club.. while we have people like Miralles, Besic, pioneer, Arteta etc who all fell in love with the club.

stop hating, start supporting.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2017, 05:52:12 PM
super mo is super mo, hate all you want, if it wasnt for his injuries, he;d be on a next level, he has the technique, some flair, can spray a pass, and works his fucking arse off.

yeah i understand 3 years and he hasnt done shit,. i dont fucking care. the next 3 years he will kick on.

the pride he shows, how he loves the club, only kopites would hate as all their players are mercs, bought in and never fall for the club.. while we have people like Miralles, Besic, pioneer, Arteta etc who all fell in love with the club.

stop hating, start supporting.

Stop wumming.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Major Clanger on July 23, 2017, 05:53:03 PM
I don't think he was doing those things because it's a friendly either! Keane must have kept looking left thinking where's he going now.

I think he was, but it doesn't really matter, he isn't a CB.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: brap2 on July 23, 2017, 05:55:16 PM
That showing at CB was as typical Besic as you could get. storming around doing whatever he pleases, looking to be involved as much as possible, even to the detriment of the team.

topped it off with a first minute two footer to revive a pointless yellow.

NB: there's part of me that does sort of like him, but I think he's still learning the game at 23/4 which isn't a great sign.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 23, 2017, 06:43:48 PM
Stop wumming.

same could be said about the posters who want him gone.

but those posters wont even acknowledge what i stated in the post. 
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on July 23, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
That showing at CB was as typical Besic as you could get. storming around doing whatever he pleases, looking to be involved as much as possible, even to the detriment of the team.

topped it off with a first minute two footer to revive a pointless yellow.

NB: there's part of me that does sort of like him, but I think he's still learning the game at 23/4 which isn't a great sign.

He's 25 in September!
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: di_guyo on July 23, 2017, 06:57:24 PM
super mo is super mo, hate all you want, if it wasnt for his injuries, he;d be on a next level, he has the technique, some flair, can spray a pass, and works his fucking arse off.

yeah i understand 3 years and he hasnt done shit,. i dont fucking care. the next 3 years he will kick on.

the pride he shows, how he loves the club, only kopites would hate as all their players are mercs, bought in and never fall for the club.. while we have people like Miralles, Besic, pioneer, Arteta etc who all fell in love with the club.

stop hating, start supporting.

On a next level compared to whom? He's nowhere near the most talented players we have or have had since he's been here - injuries or not. He was brought over from Hungary and was always likely to be a squad player, if he were to kick on then he would challenge for a starting berth then that would have been a plus. Best thing he can do, if he stays fit, is leave - I'm all for loaning him out, but he won't be getting first team football at Everton this year unless we're struck by an injury crisis. He does have some potential, but needs to play week in week out to realise it. Personally, I don't think he will ever make it to be a first teamer - so it's sell him, or let him go on loan if we want to give him a chance to kick on. Needless to say, if he gets injured again or can't break into wherever he goes on loan, then it should be the end for him as a blue.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 23, 2017, 07:05:23 PM
On a next level compared to whom? He's nowhere near the most talented players we have or have had since he's been here - injuries or not. He was brought over from Hungary and was always likely to be a squad player, if he were to kick on then he would challenge for a starting berth then that would have been a plus. Best thing he can do, if he stays fit, is leave - I'm all for loaning him out, but he won't be getting first team football at Everton this year unless we're struck by an injury crisis. He does have some potential, but needs to play week in week out to realise it. Personally, I don't think he will ever make it to be a first teamer - so it's sell him, or let him go on loan if we want to give him a chance to kick on. Needless to say, if he gets injured again or can't break into wherever he goes on loan, then it should be the end for him as a blue.

dont think some blues are ready for what Besic will offer the following seasons, same as they didnt think Dowell could..

in all reality, i'd rather keep Besic than Barkley. thats due to his love of EVERTON,

hell Hibbert was shit, but he loved the club, Besic is X1000 the player, i was saying if Besic hadnt had all the injuries, then he would have been on a next level (similar to Davies)

but anyway, i cant hate everton players who love the club and are committed to the club. if you can.. then thats cool.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: blue1948 on July 23, 2017, 07:20:06 PM
He's 25 in September!
So he was right 24
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: blue1948 on July 23, 2017, 07:22:24 PM
dont think some blues are ready for what Besic will offer the following seasons, same as they didnt think Dowell could..

in all reality, i'd rather keep Besic than Barkley. thats due to his love of EVERTON,

hell Hibbert was shit, but he loved the club, Besic is X1000 the player, i was saying if Besic hadnt had all the injuries, then he would have been on a next level (similar to Davies)

but anyway, i cant hate everton players who love the club and are committed to the club. if you can.. then thats cool.
I am with you all the way ,love the guy and his effort .He is far better than some on here give him credit .We will have the last laugh.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on July 23, 2017, 07:22:59 PM
dont think some blues are ready for what Besic will offer the following seasons, same as they didnt think Dowell could..

in all reality, i'd rather keep Besic than Barkley. thats due to his love of EVERTON,

hell Hibbert was shit, but he loved the club, Besic is X1000 the player, i was saying if Besic hadnt had all the injuries, then he would have been on a next level (similar to Davies)

but anyway, i cant hate everton players who love the club and are committed to the club. if you can.. then thats cool.

Weird. Let's keep players at the club not based on ability but how much they love being here. Okay.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 23, 2017, 07:46:08 PM
he has ability, but his recklessness  in defense is whats blinding you, which i understand, but he's a CM not defensor!
he's not french either :S
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on July 23, 2017, 08:13:57 PM
lolol
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Ridge on July 23, 2017, 08:39:38 PM
I like the guy's courage and determination, he's a bit of a lunatic but that's alright.

I think every time he steps on the pitch for us, he wants to do too much. He shows the strength of his character and belief in his ability, if not ability. I still think there is a very decent player there, he's technique in possession and his passing are pretty decent and progressive, but he's primarily quite destructive and hard working. He's not quite specialised in either to hold down starting spot, or be central to get best out of him.

I could well see him coming in for some games, just to give us some legs and bite when we are low on numbers and fitness. It might make more sense for someone else to have his place in the squad and have him go out on loan and get settled and playing. He'd be a very good player for a lot of teams on the continent.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: blue1948 on July 23, 2017, 09:05:06 PM
Weird. Let's keep players at the club not based on ability but how much they love being here. Okay.
That premise is only valid if they only have one or the other ,in the case that they have both it makes your comment nonsense
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Audrey Horne on July 23, 2017, 09:15:20 PM
what the fuck is going on here?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on July 23, 2017, 09:22:18 PM
what the fuck is going on here?

Haha! You sound like my mum when I was out of bed playing football in my room!

Anyway - Besic could be the next Gattuso so there!
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: di_guyo on July 23, 2017, 09:25:16 PM
dont think some blues are ready for what Besic will offer the following seasons, same as they didnt think Dowell could..

in all reality, i'd rather keep Besic than Barkley. thats due to his love of EVERTON,

hell Hibbert was shit, but he loved the club, Besic is X1000 the player, i was saying if Besic hadnt had all the injuries, then he would have been on a next level (similar to Davies)

but anyway, i cant hate everton players who love the club and are committed to the club. if you can.. then thats cool.

Are ready? Lol for what? Is he going to become the new Messi and blow us away? Like Dowell? Are we saying two or season games are now a benchmark for success, I like Dowell, got how's for him, but he's done absolutely nothing yet.

Also, do you actually think Besic loves the club? Like really? More than Barkley? Nah, nothaving that. Just because the lad looks like he's leaving doesn't mean he hates the club, look at Rooney...whether Ill-advised or not, hes moving to further his career
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Ridge on July 23, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Are ready? Lol for what? Is he going to become the new Messi and blow us away? Like Dowell? Are we saying two or season games are now a benchmark for success, I like Dowell, got how's for him, but he's done absolutely nothing yet.

Also, do you actually think Besic loves the club? Like really? More than Barkley? Nah, nothaving that. Just because the lad looks like he's leaving doesn't mean he hates the club, look at Rooney...whether Ill-advised or not, hes moving to further his career

I thought he moved, because he didn't want to change pyjamas?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: blue1948 on July 23, 2017, 09:53:07 PM
Are ready? Lol for what? Is he going to become the new Messi and blow us away? Like Dowell? Are we saying two or season games are now a benchmark for success, I like Dowell, got how's for him, but he's done absolutely nothing yet.

Also, do you actually think Besic loves the club? Like really? More than Barkley? Nah, nothaving that. Just because the lad looks like he's leaving doesn't mean he hates the club, look at Rooney...whether Ill-advised or not, hes moving to further his career
I tried google translate and this what came up ------FFS
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on July 23, 2017, 10:15:29 PM
I like the guy's courage and determination, he's a bit of a lunatic but that's alright.

I think every time he steps on the pitch for us, he wants to do too much. He shows the strength of his character and belief in his ability, if not ability. I still think there is a very decent player there, he's technique in possession and his passing are pretty decent and progressive, but he's primarily quite destructive and hard working. He's not quite specialised in either to hold down starting spot, or be central to get best out of him.

I could well see him coming in for some games, just to give us some legs and bite when we are low on numbers and fitness. It might make more sense for someone else to have his place in the squad and have him go out on loan and get settled and playing. He'd be a very good player for a lot of teams on the continent.

I think we can use a player like this in the squad.  He doesn't have to be on the bench every match, but he'd be useful for Europa road legs (where we might need to flash some steel), Cup ties, etc.  I'd give him at least this season before we move him on.

He may be a maniac, but he's OUR maniac, and damn it he's fun.  Plus, I really do see flashes of a genuinely good footballer there.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Tony Clifton on July 24, 2017, 02:50:21 AM
Loaning him out now he's actually regained some fitness might not be a bad idea?  Can't see Koeman having all that much time for him, even if there are some likeable qualities about the lad.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on July 24, 2017, 12:40:53 PM
Loaning him out now he's actually regained some fitness might not be a bad idea?  Can't see Koeman having all that much time for him, even if there are some likeable qualities about the lad.
Agree with this.
Midfield is looking pretty crowded and I think Besic needs a run of regular games. What with all the injuries, he's not shown enough recently to be in serious contention unless we run out of bodies due to the amount of games we have.
A good loan spell somewhere would be good for everyone I think.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueForYou on July 24, 2017, 06:01:13 PM
Would love him to make it here as a cult "PychoMo" hero

Van Den Hauwe did it for us as a right footed left back

Temporary right back position available for Besic - if only it could work!
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bluedylan on July 24, 2017, 06:12:21 PM
Amazed that anybody could get worked up about Besic, either in defence of him or criticising him. His Everton career has amounted to nothing
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Goaljira on July 24, 2017, 06:17:15 PM
he has ability, but his recklessness  in defense is whats blinding you, which i understand, but he's a CM not defensor!
he's not french either :S

Besic isn't Defensor.  This is Defensor.

(http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Defensor/robotmode.jpg)
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Macca77 on July 24, 2017, 06:28:48 PM
He has lovely tattoos, that and that alone is the only reason why he should stay
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on July 24, 2017, 07:19:26 PM
Not the best skills vid you will ever see, but at least those who say he has done nothing can have a look.

He has contributed. Spoiling what the other team does is not glamorous, but it is necessary.

And ask yourself - if he wasn't playing who would be? One of the kids?





I hope he gets a loan until Jan and is fucking awesome for someone and comes back fit and fiery!
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on July 24, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
he looks so young in that video,

baby faced assassin,. taking the opposition out.

one for all the purists,, imagine if besic and mori where in the same team... :p
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on July 24, 2017, 09:15:52 PM
he looks so young in that video,

baby faced assassin,. taking the opposition out.

one for all the purists,, imagine if besic and mori where in the same team... :p

Gattuso and Pirlo were awesome for Milan. Could Besic and Sigurdsson play the same role?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 19, 2017, 09:43:31 PM
Got a ribbing from Preno in the Echo today.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 19, 2017, 10:13:27 PM
We should keep him for numbers this year. Try keep him fit and then move him on at the end of the season.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 19, 2017, 10:36:09 PM
Got a ribbing from Preno in the Echo today.

What was said?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 19, 2017, 10:37:57 PM
What was said?
He needs to fuck off thinking he's a hard man and that's what the fans want off him
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 19, 2017, 11:03:38 PM
He does need to grow up though. Proper hard men don't go running around mistiming tackles and tapping the badge. Play some regular football first and then you might gain some respect.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Gash on August 19, 2017, 11:09:03 PM
He needs to fuck off thinking he's a hard man and that's what the fans want off him

Does he think he's a hardman though? I've always thought it was the fans that have built him up as that just because he's got a few tattoos and scowles a bit. Much like we made Heitinga out to be a hardman through no fault of his own, then slagged him off when he wasn't one.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 19, 2017, 11:15:26 PM
Does he think he's a hardman though? I've always thought it was the fans that have built him up as that just because he's got a few tattoos and scowles a bit. Much like we made Heitinga out to be a hardman through no fault of his own, then slagged him off when he wasn't one.
Yeah and thats what the article was saying, he plays up to it and he doesn't need to
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: GLewis on August 19, 2017, 11:27:57 PM
Does he think he's a hardman though? I've always thought it was the fans that have built him up as that just because he's got a few tattoos and scowles a bit. Much like we made Heitinga out to be a hardman through no fault of his own, then slagged him off when he wasn't one.

It's the constant need to put in a bad challenge.

There's a good chance he'd have got sent off away from home in Europe for that challenge on Thursday.

Then see the friendlies where he did the same.

Also, he did some mad runs into the channels when he'd clearly been brought on to help sure up the middle of the pitch.

It's a pity he missed last season as two years of Martinez coaching won't have helped his discipline.

He's actually got the passing ability to be the player who could stand in for Schneiderlin.

But his discipline both in tackling and positioning is awful.

You'd have to put a 10yard long rope around him and tie him to the CBs.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: hill135 on August 19, 2017, 11:52:02 PM
He's terrible. Get rid
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bluedylan on August 19, 2017, 11:55:03 PM
Sell him. Some fans have got a weird emotional attachment to him, but nothing he's done has indicated that he's going to be anywhere near good enough for a team trying to push into the Top 6 of the Prem.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: toffee_scot on August 20, 2017, 01:19:12 AM
Keep him for now and see how he does on the occasions that he plays.

If he proves largely ineffective, then look to move him on in January or next summer.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Silas on August 20, 2017, 01:26:55 AM
We sell either him or Mc Carthy both injury records are similar I think but Mc Carthy has proved more on the pitch.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2017, 01:29:28 AM
Sell him. Some fans have got a weird emotional attachment to him, but nothing he's done has indicated that he's going to be anywhere near good enough for a team trying to push into the Top 6 of the Prem.

I agree with everything you say but I just don't think anyone would buy him, largely based on those reasons. He's barely played a game in three years and before that he's hardly done anything in his career to even justify his 4m price tag. Before we sold Barry I would have advocated sending him out on loan for a year to put himself in the shop window, or to see if there is even a half decent player in there. Now we may as well keep him, for no other reason than he's an extra body just in case we're desperate in any of the cup competitions.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 01:35:51 AM
Now we may as well keep him, for no other reason than he's an extra body just in case we're desperate in any of the cup competitions.

Genuinely rather give any game time that he may get to a youth player.

He's going to amount to absolutely nothing for us, no point wasting any minutes on him.

A kid would undoubtedly be more disciplined, responsible and positionally aware too I'd bet.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 20, 2017, 03:39:15 AM
Loaning him out now he's actually regained some fitness might not be a bad idea?  Can't see Koeman having all that much time for him, even if there are some likeable qualities about the lad.

If Koeman doesn't fancy someone he's not one to hide the fact. He obviously seen enough in Besic to keep him around. And play him.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 20, 2017, 04:04:51 AM
Does he think he's a hardman though? I've always thought it was the fans that have built him up as that just because he's got a few tattoos and scowles a bit. Much like we made Heitinga out to be a hardman through no fault of his own, then slagged him off when he wasn't one.

Exactly. He's always been a cultured ball playing type rather than a destroyer. If anything, his bad tackles are a testament to that fact.

He's never been sent off either, okay once for throwing his chewing gum at an opponent, which is stupid but hardly the act of a ruthless midfield enforcer.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: gizzblue on August 20, 2017, 04:33:15 AM
The fact that we are actually discussing the lad and most of us are not just fucking him off kinda proves ,most think there is a quality player in there somewhere. ..would like to see him improve with us rather than with someone else .
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 05:14:08 AM
He's always been a cultured ball playing type rather than a destroyer

Think you've just made that up mate tbh.

He's not once during his time at Everton looked like 'a cultured ball player' in any way, shape or form.

Never seen him pass more than 5 yards and always to the nearest man. Nothing wrong with that per se but it's not a difficult thing to do.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 20, 2017, 05:21:54 AM
Think you've just made that up mate tbh.

He's not once during his time at Everton looked like 'a cultured ball player' in any way, shape or form.

I wasn't talking about quality but playing style. He's comfortable on the ball and not cut out to be an enforcer. And I've seen more of Besic than you.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 05:36:17 AM
I wasn't talking about quality but playing style. He's comfortable on the ball and not cut out to be an enforcer. And I've seen more of Besic than you.

How can he be a cultured ball player without ever having shown a good range of passing? Good for you, medal is in the post.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: ally2 on August 20, 2017, 05:41:22 AM
The lad is a footballer. Totally happy to see what he can give. My main concern is his injury record. This video highlights some of the good and bad things he can do. He's no crab for sure. Although that is probably more the type we need now.

Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 20, 2017, 05:43:21 AM
How can he be a cultured ball player without ever having shown a good range of passing? Good for you, medal is in the post.
Maybe, and bear with me here, he shown that style before he came to everton

And maybe, someone from Hungary seen that style

Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 20, 2017, 05:43:49 AM
How can he be a cultured ball player without ever having shown a good range of passing? Good for you, medal is in the post.

Well, it's cos you've just made it up. He passes it both long and short, look up the stats or just watch him play. Again, we're not talking about quality here (so don't tell me that most of his long balls aren't accurate), only playing style.


He's not a hardman and has never been, that's all.


Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 05:47:14 AM
Well, it's cos you've just made it up. He passes it both long and short, look up the stats or just watch him play.

A video from 2013 of him playing against mainly no marks with Bosnia... That showed me.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 20, 2017, 05:50:27 AM
A video from 2013 of him playing against mainly no marks with Bosnia... That showed me.

Okay, have a lie down and then come back and read what I've written, and can you then please spell it out for me, cos I'm thick: what the fuck is your point? That he is a hardman?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 05:52:34 AM
Okay, have a lie down and then come back and read what I've written, and can you then please spell it out for me, cos I'm thick: what the fuck is your point? That he is a hardman?

Are you simple?

When have I ever mentioned the words hard man?

You called him a cultured ball player. I said he's not shown that during his time at Everton.

It's really very easy to follow.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2017, 05:53:51 AM
Happy to be proved wrong with the lad. Can't see it though.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 20, 2017, 05:54:01 AM
Are you simple?

When have I ever mentioned the words hard man?

You called him a cultured ball player. I said he's not.

It's really very easy to follow.

Then why the fuck are you arguing with me? Seriously, do you ever read the posts that you reply to? Or just pick out a few words and react?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 06:04:11 AM
Then why the fuck are you arguing with me? Seriously, do you ever read the posts that you reply to? Or just pick out a few words and react?

Lol.

Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 06:07:00 AM
Maybe, and bear with me here, he shown that style before he came to everton

And maybe, someone from Hungary seen that style

Yeah the Premier League and Hungarian League are about level in terms of quality and competitiveness aren't they. There must have been loads of Evertonians that watched it when Besic played there too.

Pretty sure I'd have much better passing stats playing in Hungary than I would in the PL.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Heisenberg on August 20, 2017, 06:13:57 AM
Besic will be great if he can remain fit for a long period. Good on the ball and strong in the tackle. I think some people are writing him off because he has tattoos like heitenga
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Realist on August 20, 2017, 06:15:34 AM
Besic will be great if he can remain fit for a long period. Good on the ball and strong in the tackle. I think some people are writing him off because he has tattoos like heitenga

He'll never be great he's average and never fit
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Heisenberg on August 20, 2017, 06:16:19 AM
He'll never be great he's average and never fit

That is why I said if he remains fit...
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MrWhite on August 20, 2017, 06:49:19 AM
Yeah the Premier League and Hungarian League are about level in terms of quality and competitiveness aren't they. There must have been loads of Evertonians that watched it when Besic played there too.

Pretty sure I'd have much better passing stats playing in Hungary than I would in the PL.
Wasn't his point about style, not quality or competitiveness? Indeed twice he said specifically not quality.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 20, 2017, 07:00:33 AM
Wasn't his point about style, not quality or competitiveness? Indeed twice he said specifically not quality.

If he'd said "He's not a destroyer" then alright fine, no issue.

What I don't understand is how can he then class Besic as a cultured ball player instead when nobody has ever seen him play a 'cultured ball' in 3 years?

The quality argument makes no sense. Surely there's no such thing as a poor quality cultured ball player, it's practically an oxymoron.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MrWhite on August 20, 2017, 07:18:49 AM
If he'd said "He's not a destroyer" then alright fine, no issue.

What I don't understand is how can he then class Besic as a cultured ball player instead when nobody has ever seen him play a 'cultured ball' in 3 years?

The quality argument makes no sense. Surely there's no such thing as a poor quality cultured ball player, it's practically an oxymoron.
I guess it depends on your definition of cultured. From your reply you are defining it as inclusive of a certain level of quality. From MC's posts he seems to be classing it as attempted style (so passing/creation as opposed to hoofball, for example). I haven't watched the video he posted, but for the context of the posts I'm guessing it shows passes rather than punts?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2017, 03:16:46 PM
People clearly see what they want to see in Besic.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on August 20, 2017, 03:37:19 PM
I like that he always wants the ball, always works hard, always gets stuck in, has bags of pace, reads the game defensively very well and has no fear but most of all I really like how he always tries to go forward when he wins possession - either with a forward pass or with the ball at his feet.

Having said all that, his tackles aren't always well-timed, he can lose it and lash out, he can be undone by trying over-complicated shit in front of our goal and for such a passionate competitor he is far too easily knocked off the ball.

I like him. If he stays injury free, gets some minutes on the pitch and works on the weaker aspects of his game then he'll be more than a decent squad player this season as we compete in the league, league cup, UEFA and FA cups.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Trublue on August 20, 2017, 05:42:22 PM
Good cover for centre midfield and ok cover for central defence. If we get through to the Europea league, group stages we'll need him
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2017, 06:46:16 PM
Good cover for centre midfield and ok cover for central defence. If we get through to the Europea league, group stages we'll need him

I wouldn't say we'll need him. He might prove useful should we get desperate but I don't think we'll ever be in a position to need whatever he has to offer.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 20, 2017, 07:45:23 PM
I'd sooner have a proper defender as defensive cover and a proper midfielder as midfield cover. It's been 4 years now, we can do better.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Redartin on August 20, 2017, 08:31:34 PM
I think it doesn't matter what the lad does from now on he is fucked as far as some members of the forum are concerned because he is a another reminder of the Martinez era.

But at the end of the day it doesn't matter what we think, it is what Koeman sees in training, and so far he must be seeing something worthwhile because he is not offering him on a BOGOF deal with Barkley or Niasse.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2017, 08:46:13 PM
I think it doesn't matter what the lad does from now on he is fucked as far as some members of the forum are concerned because he is a another reminder of the Martinez era.

But at the end of the day it doesn't matter what we think, it is what Koeman sees in training, and so far he must be seeing something worthwhile because he is not offering him on a BOGOF deal with Barkley or Niasse.

No-one on here wants him to fail for the sake of it. It's just that many don't see any evidence of anything that might suggest he'll succeed.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: brap2 on August 20, 2017, 10:48:44 PM
Seems like a long time since we've seen a good performance from him.

I know it's tough because he doesn't get any minutes but 4 years into his time here and we're still not sure what sort of player he is or what kind of performance we're going to get from him.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 20, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
He'll never be great he's average and never fit

^^ this should be your signature. just exchange he'll with I.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Realist on August 21, 2017, 01:04:54 AM
^^ this should be your signature. just exchange he'll with I.

I never be great he's average and never fit

That makes sense Einstein
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 21, 2017, 08:16:27 PM
Sorry that some of you will get 'like' notifications on stuff you said a month ago, I won't be starting from scratch on any threads after this to avoid that. To be extra sad I know I read some of the July stuff before I was even a member and still found it entertaining second time around :eh:

The best thing I can say about Beić is... he has not had enough time in the side to show us what he is really about one way or the other.

Consequently when he actually manages to get on the pitch he seems to play like too much of an eager beaver!
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: everton1952 on August 21, 2017, 08:18:50 PM
Drop him on his head and see if it makes any difference.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 22, 2017, 03:57:58 AM
The lad's a cartoon character of a footballer.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Cozzie on August 22, 2017, 04:01:25 AM
That silly flick he tried at the end left me raging.

It was 2 on 1, just needed to control the ball and play him in.

Still think he is a good option off the bench.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: brap2 on August 22, 2017, 04:01:30 AM
Could have won us the game there. I'd have been queuing up to suck his cock had that come off, but it was a terrible, terrible decision.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 22, 2017, 04:03:32 AM
I can see why he tried it as his body shape was all wrong to hook the ball round to DCL. Just didn't come off.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: brap2 on August 22, 2017, 04:05:51 AM
easy to say but IMO he should have played it the way he was facing and trusted DCL's pace to get him in.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Gash on August 22, 2017, 04:06:35 AM
I remember his debut, it was a fucked up back heel two minutes after he came on that played in Costa for Chelsea's 5th or 6th goal.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 22, 2017, 04:07:04 AM
It just showed him up to be what he is, which isn't a very good or mature footballer.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 22, 2017, 04:08:47 AM
Only way he'd have layed him in was the way he tried
He failed
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: NomadskiEFC on August 22, 2017, 04:13:58 AM
So many mini arguments had on here with posters about Besic. Seems everyone has come to the same conclusion I had a long time ago.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 22, 2017, 04:27:47 AM
I remember his debut, it was a fucked up back heel two minutes after he came on that played in Costa for Chelsea's 5th or 6th goal.

Oh yeah lolol
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Papa Smurf on August 22, 2017, 04:32:09 AM
No doubt he's suffered from a lack of consistent game-time. I think he could turn out 'ok' once he gets a decent run in the team.
Unfortunately, the team I have in mind isn't our first team!
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: duncandisorderly on August 22, 2017, 04:41:51 AM
Harsh to blame him for anything at the end there, had the confidence to try it, just didn't come off. Coming in for the last 5 mins to a 100mph game isn't easy, and he did okay. Useful squad filler if he can stay fit.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Papa Smurf on August 22, 2017, 04:55:59 AM
The back heel was his best option. It just should've been someone else making that run.
Starting with Gana, Scheiderlin & Davies leaves us bare in terms of decent backup.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: gizzblue on August 22, 2017, 06:10:58 AM
Might have to start v Chelsea hope the neg  heads get behind him then ffs ....koemans no fucking idiot, he sees something in him or he would be sitting in limbo with Niasse .
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Brownie20 on August 22, 2017, 06:19:26 AM
He needs to have a game like the 1st leg of the Semi against City if he starts against Chelsea
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: blueski on August 22, 2017, 06:22:45 AM
player in his 2nd game coming back from a major knee injury

give him some time - the manager seems to be
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Jamokachi on August 22, 2017, 07:59:26 AM
I though he slipped. Great tackle in the first instance.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on August 23, 2017, 09:49:11 PM
Start him against Split and save Gueyes legs for the weekend.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 23, 2017, 11:28:58 PM
Oh yeah lolol


isnt it great when you look back and get quality memories from Besic that make you lol,  gotta laugh at some of the stuff he tries, least he tries it.

one day, he will turn into a diamond.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: bacon sarnie on August 23, 2017, 11:54:27 PM
They should give him a part in Game Of Thrones.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Tony Clifton on August 24, 2017, 06:11:30 AM
Quote
What to do with Besic?

Fair enough, maybe Koeman does see something beyond the madness, but can someone please get him an appointment with a proper hairdresser ASAP? 
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 24, 2017, 11:13:49 PM
I hope Mo scores today, stands on the railing, unrolls a Bosnian flag from underneath his shirt and yells "There is no God but Allah, white devils!"
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: gizzblue on August 25, 2017, 04:13:39 AM
Well played Mo. ..shut a few doubters and neg heads up there 😅.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 25, 2017, 04:49:49 AM
grew into the game well, he wanted the ball played through in the dying seconds.. lol he was bursting passed the defenders..

Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: duncandisorderly on August 25, 2017, 04:53:47 AM
Tonight showed he's definitely worth a place in the squad if he can keep fit and keep his discipline.
Title: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 25, 2017, 05:22:07 AM
Hmm I dunno, I thought he let his man go quite a few times. Definitely put that down to being rusty, but I wouldn't say he was impressive.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 25, 2017, 05:24:57 AM
I thought he was ok but he wasn't that good was he?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 25, 2017, 05:28:22 AM
I thought he was ok but he wasn't that good was he?

The jury's still out.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Brownie20 on August 25, 2017, 05:33:22 AM
Couple of nice passes, didn't do anything wrong. If he stays fit he will improve.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 25, 2017, 05:40:04 AM
I enjoyed his performance. Can remember the last time he played 90 mins.

Will play more in Europe than in the prem IMO.

Still think he's ace though.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Jamokachi on August 25, 2017, 07:47:04 AM
Always showed for the ball, sprayed the ball around, tackled... can't really ask for much more. Yes He let his man go on occasion and his positional sense was a bit naive, but c'mon., the lad has missed so much football and with it development. There's a player there, and Koeman obviously sees it. More than deserving of a place in the squad this season Will get better the more he plays too. Happy to see him back after a nightmare injury period for the lad.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: blargins on August 25, 2017, 07:57:05 AM
Had to play tonight so he is more sharp to replace Schneiderlin on Sunday.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: brap2 on August 25, 2017, 01:43:11 PM
I'd go

    Davies
Gueye Besic

On Sunday.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 25, 2017, 02:03:23 PM
He was surprisingly better than I thought he'd be.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Gash on August 25, 2017, 02:17:18 PM
He was surprisingly better than I thought he'd be.

He didn't do anything that he hasn't done any other time he's had a game. Linked up well, shows for the ball out of defence, tries to move it forward quickly, goes on walkabout, shite backheel.

People say he's not played enough to know what he's like but have also made their mind up he's shite. I'm sure they said at the weekend it was his 50th PL appearance. I've said before, he's a rough diamond and he's certainly not a dead loss.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 25, 2017, 02:30:32 PM
He didn't do anything that he hasn't done any other time he's had a game. Linked up well, shows for the ball out of defence, tries to move it forward quickly, goes on walkabout, shite backheel.

People say he's not played enough to know what he's like but have also made their mind up he's shite. I'm sure they said at the weekend it was his 50th PL appearance. I've said before, he's a rough diamond and he's certainly not a dead loss.

He played with a bit more maturity last night though. He's usually off wherever he fancies but last night he played with a bit more discipline, which is what he needs to do. He normally wants to try and show what he can do whereas sometimes it's more appropriate to play within yourself to get the job done.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 25, 2017, 03:38:21 PM
He has a great engine and energy level. Koeman clearly likes this trait.

He showed good vision a couple of times to pick out a runner with a ball over the top. Not exactly earth shattering in terms of creativity but something only Barry or Gibson have offered from a deeper position in recent years.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: brap2 on August 25, 2017, 04:05:19 PM
cant help but root for the crazy fucker.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MrWhite on August 25, 2017, 04:21:41 PM
He didn't do anything that he hasn't done any other time he's had a game. Linked up well, shows for the ball out of defence, tries to move it forward quickly, goes on walkabout, shite backheel.

People say he's not played enough to know what he's like but have also made their mind up he's shite. I'm sure they said at the weekend it was his 50th PL appearance. I've said before, he's a rough diamond and he's certainly not a dead loss.

Our midfield standards have been raised. He is no longer good enough to be first choice, but he is good enough to do a job in situations where our first choice is not available. He does have great vision, but lacks the ability to consistently execute that vision. When it comes off, it looks great, but there are too many attempts at brilliance that fail. Discipline in his role is the key thing he needs to keep working on, and last night was much better in that respect.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: mikey_blue on August 25, 2017, 04:28:37 PM
I see him being back up for Morgs. I think he's the only player we have who could possibly play that role. I do like his style of play though. He's fearless, which often backfires, but you have to admit, he is exciting.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on August 25, 2017, 04:38:23 PM
watched him last night, few dodgy first touches, but kept going showing for the ball all game and was still busting a gut late on,   steady game overall
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Gary1878 on August 25, 2017, 04:40:50 PM
I thought Besic did ok last night. Although he looked exhausted on 60 minutes and probably needed to come off when our midfield was being overrun. I think if it was still 1-0 to Hadjuk, he would have been replaced.

He will be a very useful member of the squad over the season, especially if we do well in the cups. He should get a good 15-20 games.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 25, 2017, 04:45:50 PM
Ronald Koeman praised Muhamed Besic for grasping his opportunity with both hands on his first Everton start for 16 months.

The Bosnian midfielder, who was last named in the Blues starting line-up in the 2-0 win over Bournemouth at Goodison Park in April 2016, missed the entire 2016/17 season after sustaining a cruciate ligament injury.

He returned to anchor the midfield alongside Morgan Schneiderlin on Thursday evening, as the Toffees recorded a 1-1 draw at Hajduk Splits Stadion Poljud to progress to the group stage of the UEFA Europa League with a 3-1 aggregate victory.

And manager Koeman was impressed with Besics efforts, after being forced to wait patiently for his chance to impress in the first team.

I am really pleased, said Koeman. He is working hard after coming back from a big injury. I think hes now really at that level that we need and what he needs to get a chance in the team. Thats really positive.

I like the boy, he is working hard and, of course, he was patient to wait for his chance. He took his chance tonight. He played well and was an important player in midfield for us.

"Okay, sometimes he needs to control himself a little bit better with his tackles, but he is still young and I am pleased he is back on the level that he needs and we need as a team.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bally on August 25, 2017, 05:10:38 PM
His celebration with Jordan Pickford after the penalty save is fucking glorious
https://twitter.com/DavefcKelly/status/900971398071537664
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lazarou on August 25, 2017, 05:14:05 PM
His celebration with Jordan Pickford after the penalty save is fucking glorious
https://twitter.com/DavefcKelly/status/900971398071537664

I like the fact even his celebration is violent.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 25, 2017, 05:22:23 PM
Sounds like he probably was the reason we let Barry go then. Koeman thinks he can be of use to the first team so if he sees it then that's fine with me.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 25, 2017, 05:57:46 PM
His celebration with Jordan Pickford after the penalty save is fucking glorious
https://twitter.com/DavefcKelly/status/900971398071537664

Adrenaline much?
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Tofifee on August 25, 2017, 06:12:23 PM
Its a measure of how far we have come in a short space of time that people are not sure about Besic, yet not too long ago we idolised Lee Carsley.............
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on August 25, 2017, 06:13:21 PM
16 months out!

There is a LOT more to come from this lad if he steers clear of injuries and can listen to Koeman.

Y'all have no idea. This first game back was not the time to judge him. See what he's done for us by the end of the season.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bluenose 91 on August 25, 2017, 06:48:36 PM
Done alright last night and Koeman obviously sees something in him so Im willing to be a patient with him now and reign in the slagging him off.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: sam of the south on August 25, 2017, 11:38:18 PM
16 months out!

There is a LOT more to come from this lad if he steers clear of injuries and can listen to Koeman.

Y'all have no idea. This first game back was not the time to judge him. See what he's done for us by the end of the season.

You sod, Todd!

I thought you were announcing that he'd just got injured again!  :wag:
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on August 26, 2017, 02:21:56 AM
You sod, Todd!

I thought you were announcing that he'd just got injured again!  :wag:

Sorry Sam - didn't mean it!

#SorryNotSorry
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: sam of the south on August 26, 2017, 02:33:15 AM
Sorry Sam - didn't mean it!

#SorryNotSorry

#passiveaggressivetodd
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Ravardo on August 27, 2017, 02:06:01 AM
Mo's fathers been shot in bosnia    http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/shocker-chelsea-v-everton-muhamed-besics-father-shot/
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Buck76 on August 27, 2017, 02:22:15 AM
Mo's fathers been shot in bosnia    http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/shocker-chelsea-v-everton-muhamed-besics-father-shot/

Just about to post that, arm & leg so he should be alright! Apparently he's a piss head gambler, he'd fit right in over here :0).... don't think he'll play if Gueye's OK, 2 games in 4 days after such a long lay off!!! 
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 27, 2017, 02:59:22 AM
Poor lad really can't get a break.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2017, 05:41:44 AM
How old is Besic's dad supposed to be?

https://twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum/status/901570597049827328
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 05:43:39 AM
Harsh. A lot to handle for him.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 05:45:40 AM
Doesn't sound serious. Not inconceivable he could play a game of football then fly out afterwards. He strikes me as the kind of character who might want to do that.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 27, 2017, 05:53:37 AM
It doesn't look life threatening thankfull. He must have been about 12 when Mo was born!

https://twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum/status/901574612575760384
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 27, 2017, 07:49:15 AM
Kinda puts Mo and his crazyness in perspective.

Can't be easy having a Bosnian gangster chav dad.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 08:11:42 AM
Swerve yer da la.

The blues are playing Chelsea in a bit.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Ramjam on August 27, 2017, 09:16:37 AM
So first its injury then getting suspended all the time now its family shootings what will the next reason for not playing, just as he was breaking into the first team, we can't get a break can we.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Jamokachi on March 03, 2018, 04:54:52 AM
Seems he's  made a decent start to life at Boro, reading through a couple of their forums. They beat Leeds 3-0 this evening to move up to 6th.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Brownie20 on March 03, 2018, 05:10:37 AM
Seems he's  made a decent start to life at Boro, reading through a couple of their forums. They beat Leeds 3-0 this evening to move up to 6th.

He played against Cardiff in his first game. Mates of mind who went to watch said he looked quality, best player on the pitch in the hour he was on
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: TheRam on March 03, 2018, 05:16:39 AM
I reckon he's probably a level above the championship.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Brownie20 on March 03, 2018, 05:23:14 AM
I reckon he's probably a level above the championship.

It would just be nice to see what he can do when he plays a run of games. Never really been able to judge him properly. Awesome against Man City in the first leg of the cup and that's about all I remember except for his back pass assist to Costa on his debut
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: mikey_blue on March 03, 2018, 05:26:39 AM
It would just be nice to see what he can do when he plays a run of games. Never really been able to judge him properly. Awesome against Man City in the first leg of the cup and that's about all I remember except for his back pass assist to Costa on his debut

We are lacking that "Killer Pass" now.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: brap2 on March 03, 2018, 08:23:11 AM
Looked a level above everton in the odd game like, just that sort of player i think.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: bluenuck on March 03, 2018, 10:44:58 AM
Sorta.

I've said before that veratti should be his model. Tough, aggressive tackles, tight control and dribbling under pressure with expansive passing all with a small, low centre of gravity frame.

No idea what he's got in the tank but at his best he starts to look a little like that.

Please tell me you're not comparing him to veratti?

We already overrate our players  enough but that will be the icing on the cake if you are.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on March 03, 2018, 02:14:52 PM
I miss mo.

He played with a burning desire that burned a little too brightly at times.

Hopefully regular football allows  him to develop his potential and iron out the mistakes.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on March 03, 2018, 08:37:31 PM
I reckon he's probably a level above the championship.

Probably a level above us at the minute then.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Polledreng on March 04, 2018, 03:24:26 AM
I miss mo.

He played with a burning desire that burned a little too brightly at times.

Hopefully regular football allows  him to develop his potential and iron out the mistakes.
Agree we could use someone with his passion. No passion at all in our team.. not even Rooney looks like someone proud of putting the jersey on
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Escla on March 04, 2018, 05:27:15 PM
He and Gana could have been a decent option in midfield
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: gizzblue on March 04, 2018, 05:39:34 PM
He and Gana could have been a decent option in midfield
Beats The French surrender monkey all day long for me.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on March 05, 2018, 03:17:48 PM
Beats The French surrender monkey all day long for me.

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Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on March 05, 2018, 03:28:08 PM
Beats The French surrender monkey all day long for me.

I've always liked Besic and I've always felt that there is a role out there that he could excel at. I could see him going to Swansea or Southampton or Watford or someone with a  progressive, young manager playing a different system and suddenly looking a million dollars and going to Man Utd or Man City a season later and being awesome.

He seems to be a bit of an Alan Harper for us - comes in to replace a person and play in their role in the team without ever being used as Mo Besic.

But then again.. he might just be a bit flattering sometimes.

In my flights of fancy though I've always seen him as one of those players who could turn their attack into our attack and move the ball from our box to theirs in a few seconds. 
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Paddockoldie on March 05, 2018, 03:38:16 PM
Unless we're prepared to play him for a run of games and accept the errors we'll never really see whether he's got it or not. I'd like to see him and Klassen in mid with Davies as a third. Love his passion but needs games to judge if he has more than just that.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: D15TIN on March 05, 2018, 09:52:36 PM
Besic is crap. He's found his level nothing more.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on March 05, 2018, 10:17:52 PM
Besic is crap. He's found his level nothing more.

Completely disagree 100%.

But I do think there's every chance that he is one of those 'nearly' players who will never do anything or achieve anything like his potential due to other factors - injuries, fall-outs, shootings etc
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Brownie20 on March 05, 2018, 11:26:35 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/muhamed-besic-everton-middlesbrough-loan-14368301
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Toddacelli on March 06, 2018, 01:49:05 PM
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/muhamed-besic-everton-middlesbrough-loan-14368301

Interesting piece. Hope they're all still raving about him by the end of the season.

Tackles won and passing accuracy stats for the last few seasons are impressive too, but amount of chances created show he's playing further back.

Quote from Jonathan Taylor, Middlesboro writer for The Gazette in the article:

"He seems to have raised the game of those around him too. Besic seems to be the aggressor, the organiser, the conductor in Boro's midfield. That's some compliment for a player who's only played four games in this team. Besic looks like a Pulis player. He doesn't try to do anything overly-elaborate with the ball at his feet, but what he does do is recycle possession quickly and with minimal fuss."

Hope he's a level above for the Championship and can give us something when he returns.

Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2018, 10:21:37 PM
Big game for him later in the play off semi final. Id like to see him do well and maybe get a decent move out of it.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: boothill on May 12, 2018, 10:47:20 PM
has he ever been tried at right back, could be our new snodin, thats if hes right footed like, cant remember what foot he goes with tbh
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: GLewis on May 12, 2018, 10:55:21 PM
has he ever been tried at right back, could be our new snodin, thats if hes right footed like, cant remember what foot he goes with tbh

Yeah the first half of the Utd semi.

Never to be seen there again thankfully!
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Mayor Farnum on May 12, 2018, 11:08:37 PM
Best case scenario for us is Middlesbrough  go up, flush with cash their supporters will demand signings and we will get a decent price for in him those circumstances.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Lxxx on May 12, 2018, 11:21:56 PM
Best case scenario for us is Middlesbrough  go up, flush with cash their supporters will demand signings and we will get a decent price for in him those circumstances.
Or as befitting of our new strategy well offer him a contract extension and loan him out to them next season and see what happens after that and try and make more money that way.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Shogun on May 13, 2018, 12:33:12 AM
Will get another chance through pre-season under a new manager.

Think he could fit well in a Silva team, more so than Schneiderlin.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: evertonjoe on May 13, 2018, 01:07:39 AM
Been absolutely garbage in this game.

Passes the ball like he's got his eyes closed.

Sell.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Shogun on May 13, 2018, 01:09:31 AM
Been absolutely garbage in this game.

Passes the ball like he's got his eyes closed.

Sell.

Good to see you back mate
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on May 13, 2018, 01:55:42 AM
Did I just read a post from evertonjoe?!
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: djws1788 on May 13, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
Looked good moving forward with the ball from midfield but bad decision making passing the ball let him down.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: brap2 on May 13, 2018, 07:04:44 PM
Is what it isnt isnt it really...Ive said before he is the player Ive seen who most resembles how I play myself, which is an extremely strong argument for getting rid ASAP.
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: BlueForYou on May 13, 2018, 07:29:57 PM
Good time to sell
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: dunkster on May 13, 2018, 08:21:15 PM
Sell sell sell...sorry mo
Title: Re: What to do with Besic?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on May 13, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
I wish we could keep him, if nothing else but to send him on at Anfield when behind 3 goals.