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Title: Lookman
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2017, 09:08:40 PM
Possible loan move to Derby
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Shogun on August 07, 2017, 09:10:47 PM
Going to have Gareth Barry on the wing at this rate.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on August 07, 2017, 09:16:20 PM
Possible move to WBA
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: sam of the south on August 07, 2017, 09:26:51 PM
I'm getting more than a bit concerned now.

A few posts on here have stated recently that pace isn't the be all and end all, but in the EPL it's pretty damn important, particularly up front and at the back.

All of our players with notable power and/or pace have either moved on or are out injured: Deulofeu, Lukaku, Barkley, Stones, Coleman, Bolasie, and now Lookman.

Sandro looks to have a bit of zip, and DCL has some pace (but minimal power)but the rest of our squad is severely bereft of speedsters.

Unless we are lining up Damarai Gray then I feel we need Lookman on the bench to give us some much needed pace and directness to bring on as opposition defenders tire.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Hawkandro on August 07, 2017, 09:28:01 PM
Possible move to WBA

After Galloway's time there, I would hope we tell Pulis where to go.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: TheRam on August 07, 2017, 09:28:06 PM
That would be a terrible move for all concerned.

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: pjk on August 07, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
Possible loan move to Derby



That has to be just rumour. He's too useful to loan out
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on August 07, 2017, 09:30:47 PM
Just to clarify -

Barry to WBA, Pulis keen for 2 year deal
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on August 07, 2017, 09:32:09 PM
In four competitions with the need for fresh legs, pace and trickery especially late on in games I'm a bit concerned we're starting to lack much depth on the bench if this comes off.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Macca77 on August 07, 2017, 09:34:18 PM


That has to be just rumour. He's too useful to loan out

Mentioned on Sky sports news, Gary Rowett is keen
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: pjk on August 07, 2017, 09:39:34 PM
Mentioned on Sky sports news, Gary Rowett is keen



Half the lesser teams in the prem would be. Most championship sides would snap him up. I'd be more than surprised if *Mola was loaned out.  *One for @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) for a change :)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: TheTone on August 07, 2017, 09:45:44 PM
We'll end up with Sissoko won't we
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 07, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
Would be an utterly ridiculous decision. We need at least 1 proper winger more and it looks like we won't get that. If we start loaning out what little pace we do have in our squad someone has lost the plot
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 07, 2017, 10:22:00 PM
lol, looks like we will need more than the 3 signings, if our youngsters are going out on loan.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: eame on August 07, 2017, 10:24:29 PM
Kinell NOOOOOOOOOO.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 07, 2017, 10:29:42 PM
Be angry if he goes on loan >:(
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 07, 2017, 10:30:21 PM
wouldn't be happy having him loaned out.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bally on August 07, 2017, 10:57:06 PM


Half the lesser teams in the prem would be. Most championship sides would snap him up. I'd be more than surprised if *Mola was loaned out.  *One for @Bally (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) for a change :)
Mola seems to be what the team call him so it's acceptable I suppose, I will also accept Addy or lookman
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Escla on August 07, 2017, 10:59:06 PM
Mola seems to be what the team call him so it's acceptable I suppose, I will also accept Addy or lookman

You sure Liz is o.k with this though  :)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: karling1972 on August 07, 2017, 11:37:26 PM
you can have my ticket  back...i was getting excited about seeing the youngsters flourish.....
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Brownie20 on August 07, 2017, 11:54:01 PM
you can have my ticket  back...i was getting excited about seeing the youngsters flourish.....

And the Oscar for the most melodramatic response to a transfer rumour goes to.......
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 07, 2017, 11:57:44 PM
you can have my ticket  back...i was getting excited about seeing the youngsters flourish.....

Ill have it?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 07, 2017, 11:57:54 PM
You sure Liz is o.k with this though  :)

No im not ok with it....
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 08, 2017, 12:06:24 AM
you can have my ticket  back...i was getting excited about seeing the youngsters flourish.....
Sound, my mate's are looking for a ticket, pm me the details
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ross on August 08, 2017, 12:07:05 AM
Can't see him going anywhere.

It'd be utter madness given the make up of the squad and who we're looking to add.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 08, 2017, 12:09:08 AM
Sound, my mate's are looking for a ticket, pm me the details

I got there first!
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on August 08, 2017, 12:12:22 AM
The lady loves milk tray
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Brownie20 on August 08, 2017, 12:52:08 AM
I got there first!

You got first dibs on mine Liz
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Escla on August 08, 2017, 01:05:23 AM
No im not ok with it....
Thought so  :)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blue slug on August 08, 2017, 01:21:12 AM
He should be starting for us or at least getting 30 mins a week
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Escla on August 08, 2017, 01:28:59 AM
you can have my ticket  back...i was getting excited about seeing the youngsters flourish.....

So presumably if Lookman goes on loan (which we all know is bullshit) you won't be going to another Everton match ?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Danny on August 08, 2017, 01:29:54 AM
If Lookman is going on loan were signing a first teamer to block his progress, some of you really freak out over nothing, the lad got minimal minutes on the pitch in towards the end of the season, much better for his development if he goes and plays every game for Derby.

In terms of losing the youth we'll still have DCL, Holgate and Davies in the first team squad, Dowell, Browning, Galloway and Lookman loaned out and playing regularly in the championship.

Most of you have been following us long enough to remember very few youth players in the first team and our youth being loaned to league one at best because they were bad, your Scott Spencers.

Were in a very, very good place with the youth players but if we want them to transition into first team footballers and if they aren't going to play here then it's fantastic that they'd get it at teams chasing the playoffs.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Faceatthefence on August 08, 2017, 04:34:05 AM
I suppose the cheeky twats want us to pay his wages also,after they have just cashed  in 20 million on 3 of their best players in hughes,ince and christie....errr how does fuck off sound !
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Normm on August 08, 2017, 07:34:04 AM
Sometimes I wonder if trolls are writing on here.

Lookman can change a match. Defences panic when he appears. They can't handle his pace, but I believe his quick movement is bast used inside, rather than on the wing. Specsavers are available for anyone who doubts his usefulness to the first team right now.

If it is suggested that Lookman goes no loan, we need Unsworth taking over. But I can't believe Koeman would want to do that.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 08, 2017, 03:39:39 PM
Haha.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on August 08, 2017, 03:47:29 PM
Lookman deffo this years George green.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on August 08, 2017, 06:52:21 PM
He's got attributes you'd want on the bench if nothing is coming off with the ones on the pitch. For that reason he's useful to have in the squad. Sometimes you have to think of the 1st team not what is best for the lads career. Which sounds wrong but he's handsomely rewarded and needs must.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Mac934 on August 08, 2017, 06:57:50 PM
How is Lookman anything like George Green???
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 08, 2017, 06:58:20 PM
How is Lookman anything like George Green???
Overhyped
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on August 08, 2017, 07:33:44 PM
How is Lookman anything like George Green???

People will be begging for him to start despite not really knowing what level he's at.

Someone already saying if he doesn't play koeman's got to go. He's George green x1000
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: TheRam on August 08, 2017, 07:38:31 PM
I reckon he should start over mirallas. But I'd have DCL over them both

Shoot me.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: sam of the south on August 08, 2017, 09:27:30 PM
I reckon he should start over mirallas. But I'd have DCL over them both

Shoot me.

Totally agree with this, even the DCL part (he's won me over/humiliated me by scoring a fine goal minutes after I'd dissed him)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on August 08, 2017, 09:28:52 PM
Right on the ball
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 08, 2017, 09:55:28 PM
very worthwhile bench option - who else would you want to come in when we need pace?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: KingdingalingNL on August 08, 2017, 10:06:26 PM
How is Lookman anything like George Green???

Also loves his boats and hoes ??
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 08, 2017, 10:10:24 PM
Also loves his boats and hoes ??

Join the club.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 08, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
The lad is still a teenager.

Yes we paid a decent fee for him but how many lads that age are ready to play in the first team of a club hoping to challenge in the top 6?

If he stays but isn't up to starting, which his involvement at the end of last season suggests, then his playing time will be limited to a few minutes here and there or cup games against shit sides.

If the club think it's better for his (and our) long term benefit to go on loan at a decent level, fine.

People stressing out like fuck over someone who featured in 2 of our final 12 games of the season, one of those times being for just a single minute.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on August 08, 2017, 11:14:34 PM
More than anything, I think he needs to play regular football, and build his strength and confidence. I like him, and I can see a big future for him, genuinely. I'd hate for him to be getting the occasional game or sub appearance for us, and not be developing. If that's how Koeman is going to use him, a loan to a strong Championship club or lower Prem club would be preferable.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: GLewis on August 08, 2017, 11:19:54 PM
More than anything, I think he needs to play regular football, and build his strength and confidence. I like him, and I can see a big future for him, genuinely. I'd hate for him to be getting the occasional game or sub appearance for us, and not be developing. If that's how Koeman is going to use him, a loan to a strong Championship club or lower Prem club would be preferable.

I suppose he's a bit different to most given his time not in the professional game.

We might think he needs more "coaching" at our level, than others like Dowell who have had nothing but that from an early age.

He's had that type of real life experience so he may benefit more from being around better players every day.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Rhys on August 09, 2017, 04:13:04 AM
I suppose he's a bit different to most given his time not in the professional game.

We might think he needs more "coaching" at our level, than others like Dowell who have had nothing but that from an early age.

He's had that type of real life experience so he may benefit more from being around better players every day.

It's a hard one because I think he lacks an understanding of the game like players like Davies and Dowell have. Question is is that something that is lacking in him naturally or because he hasnt been in club football for very long? And then do we think we can coach that side with him or do we think he will benefit from playing 90 minutes every week in competitive situations where he develops his appreciation.

I dont think he is ready to start games for us week in week out but can certainly play a role off the bench but again if he is going to be 3-5th sub when we have everyone in and fit then is it better for him to be somewhere he will get more game time, I'd imagine it is. He has natural talent but now it is about learning to use what he has and develop his appreciation for what is happening around him. Then on the flip side ignoring what is best for him and thinking what we need he is one of the only attacking players with pace and one of the few that can play in a more traditional wider role so if we do loan him we are taking away an option we need.

And I dont think we should loan him to lower premier league team I actually think someone like Derby would be better. If you loan that type of player who will make a lot of mistakes while he is learning to a premier league club worried about relegation you can end up with a Gnabry type situation where with all thats at stake and the money for survival where the managers go for the safe option over the maverick where the long term development of him is irrelevant. Better off him being here and coming off the bench than that. With derby the level might not be as good however they are more likely to stick with him and get the minutes and chances for development he needs.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: themilkycoffees on August 09, 2017, 04:15:03 PM
I would personally like to see him stay and play 20-30 games for us this season, rather than see him go out on loan. He's already played almost 50 games for Charlton in the Championship and League One. I think it would be better for him to stay in and around the first team squad, playing with better players and getting experience in the Premier League. He's got pace in abundance and an eye for goal, which at this moment in time we are seriously lacking.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: di_guyo on August 09, 2017, 05:23:19 PM
I reckon he should start over mirallas. But I'd have DCL over them both

Shoot me.

I'd have Mirallas personally. I see what you're saying though. I like Lookman as an impact sub. Don't think DCL offers much to be honest, not yet.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2017, 05:39:11 PM
I'd have Mirallas personally. I see what you're saying though. I like Lookman as an impact sub. Don't think DCL offers much to be honest, not yet.

We say this stuff but you actually like the IDEA of Lookman.

DCL has done much much more in his short time, Lookman he looked tactically and positionally inept, but fast and fun so the idea of bringing him on is exciting.

If he does go on loan I will be gutted but again I think I'm gutted at the losing the idea of Lookman, rather than what he actually does!

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2017, 05:40:40 PM
P.s no chance he plays 20-30 games unless he makes a meteoric leap forward.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: themilkycoffees on August 09, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
I don't see why he couldn't play 20+ games for us this season, when we are involved in 4 competitions. Would like to see him introduced like Sterling was at Liverpool. He played 36 games in his first full season.

Unless we sign 2-3 quality attacking players (hopefully with some pace), I don't see how he wouldn't be involved regularly. Obviously not the finished article, but well worth some game time this season.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: pjk on August 09, 2017, 06:11:10 PM
Personally, I would like Lookman to stay put for the season and punt him out on loan if he doesn't show enough this season. I would have preferred that to happen with Dowell. The difference in the two, is the shortage of pace up front. Whereas we are chockablock with midfielders. I don't expect Mola to go out on loan,  but stranger things have happened at sea. :)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: di_guyo on August 09, 2017, 06:16:09 PM
We say this stuff but you actually like the IDEA of Lookman.

DCL has done much much more in his short time, Lookman he looked tactically and positionally inept, but fast and fun so the idea of bringing him on is exciting.

If he does go on loan I will be gutted but again I think I'm gutted at the losing the idea of Lookman, rather than what he actually does!



Yeah it's easy to say that though, DCL has also had more of a chance. I've found him a bit lacking, static and short of guile as an AM option. Maybe he can grow into a decent forward, but I don't think he's as potentially influential or able to change the dimension of a game as the other two.
 Agree with you its the idea of Lookman though, but especially with the current squad, he offers something different...a different threat for defenders to worry about. At least until Yala is back anyway.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on August 09, 2017, 06:41:20 PM
Yeah it's easy to say that though, DCL has also had more of a chance. I've found him a bit lacking, static and short of guile as an AM option. Maybe he can grow into a decent forward, but I don't think he's as potentially influential or able to change the dimension of a game as the other two.
 Agree with you its the idea of Lookman though, but especially with the current squad, he offers something different...a different threat for defenders to worry about. At least until Yala is back anyway.

Yeah i know what you mean, would love him to have a Sterling-esque season as someone said above, just get the feeling Koeman likes the look of him but he hasn't done enough of the reliable stuff.

Definitely got a touch of gold dust about him.

DCL, there's something about him Koeman likes and I think we saw a glimpse in Europe. He's big, strong, good frame and good technically in terms of first touch, lay offs, little bit of tight space dribbling (not like skinning people but retaining possession).

If he develops well think he's going to be a really good number 9.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Shogun on August 09, 2017, 07:15:57 PM
A loan move to a side like Bournemouth would be perfect.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: ally2 on August 09, 2017, 07:39:07 PM
I think he'd be absolutely gutted if we sent him out on loan. Understandably so.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: smellybum on August 09, 2017, 07:44:53 PM
Keep him and bring him off the bench when we need something different. Our first team looks a triffle slow and he has pace and skill. Stay, get a full years training with the squad and some minutes from the bench and lets see where we are next season. Still young. yet. Could easily send him on loan next year when Dowell is back.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on August 09, 2017, 08:28:43 PM
A loan move to a side like Bournemouth would be perfect.

They paid 15m for a lad who was better than Sterling apparently and they can't find a use for him. They also paid big money for Gradel who was a small winger in the same mould and he was in and out of the team after his injury. Lower level teams quickly dispense with players who aren't seen as safe as soon as results don't go their way and league status is at stake.
I think he's much better, if he goes, to go a promotion chasing side who will utilise his skills every week and where he'd make most impact.

Of course I'd prefer he stayed as we don't have much else out wide on either flank.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on August 09, 2017, 09:20:33 PM
He's got to stay ...we have nothing like him till Blasie is back. ...fuck Derby
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Corinthian on August 09, 2017, 10:49:49 PM
He's got to stay ...we have nothing like him till Blasie is back. ...fuck Derby

Yep, got to agree with that, we will very much be needing his flair.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2017, 10:57:26 PM
If he's not getting on at all by the end of August a short term loan would prob be best for him
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on August 10, 2017, 04:56:08 AM
Need to keep him game changer. Will be an outside chance of going to the World cup.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Gary1878 on August 10, 2017, 10:13:22 PM
I think this lad is pretty special and we really don't have anyone like him in our squad - although you can compare him with Bolasie, i think he will become a much better player. He has pace, trickery, great movement off the ball and a proper eye for goal. I would like to see him involved around matchday squads and starting in the cups.

If we coach him and give him proper game time this season, we should really have a player on our hands next year.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 18, 2017, 10:40:49 PM
Really pleased with his performance last night. Thought he combined well with Cuco at times. On paper it was a dodgy pairing.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blueski on August 18, 2017, 10:56:09 PM
hard to judge to be honest - he really did boss Hajduk Split but his performances have been mixed against premier league sides

he's got a proper preseason under him now - I like him but I think we really should reserve judgment on where he's at until he gets a premier league game and does what he did last night

want to see him break through for us but if he has to go out and come back so be it.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: mikey_blue on August 18, 2017, 10:59:48 PM
If you're going to loan him out, then we have to get another winger in. Maybe send him out in January when Bolasie is back, but as it stands, we need him in the team as an option. Europe, League cup, F.A Cup and Premiership is a big ask when you don't have a plan B.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 18, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
You can start him here and there in Europa, impact sub in the Prem.  Why loan him out?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Toddacelli on August 18, 2017, 11:51:17 PM
Thought he got very tired in the second half - looked leggy and misplaced more passes the longer the game went on.

Some real raw talent there though - looking forward to seeing him develop.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Silas on August 19, 2017, 01:04:40 AM
He's clearly got something but I don't know whether he's ready for regular first team. Given he is our only pace option right now (aside from Lennon who doesn't seem to be in Koeman's plans) it would be odd to send him on loan unless we bring someone else in
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Heisenberg on August 19, 2017, 01:09:41 AM
I think the best course of action will be to keep him and utilise him in the cups. I think he's good enough for it and it will be the best method of improvement for him
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 19, 2017, 01:13:05 AM
Workout other side and pacey options we should keep him here. If he gets game time he'll develop and gain prem experience which is what he needs. If we buy better then a loan is an option but not before imo
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 19, 2017, 01:14:23 AM
WITHOUT you twatting phone!!!!
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on August 19, 2017, 02:52:03 AM
Really like the look of him.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 19, 2017, 02:56:59 AM
You can start him here and there in Europa, impact sub in the Prem.  Why loan him out?

Assuming we draw 2 easy teams and one decent in our group, that's only 4 starts (against the 2 easy teams). Anything after the group stage will probably require us to go full strength.

A full season of starts would be 10 times more beneficial than a few starts and getting chucked on now and again for 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Realist on August 19, 2017, 03:12:00 AM
We need a squad this season, this would be a dumb move
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blueToffee on August 19, 2017, 03:33:24 AM
Thought he got very tired in the second half - looked leggy and misplaced more passes the longer the game went on.

Some real raw talent there though - looking forward to seeing him develop.

Yeah he notably under hit a few (relatively simple) passes so definitely tiredness was a factor, but also definitely talent there.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on August 19, 2017, 03:44:18 AM
i like how he had the strength and determination to get past defenders if his skill was insufficient. He seems to have a strength greater than his age and frame suggests. He's a bit of a tuff nut.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 19, 2017, 03:54:59 AM
I forgot about the Cups, it's like we already got fucking knocked out.  We have enough depth now that we can use players not getting regular Prem starts, but it will be exciting rather than seeming like we are giving up.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: ally2 on August 19, 2017, 05:04:04 AM
He'd be a total nightmare to play against, even at this stage.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Buck76 on August 19, 2017, 05:46:50 AM
I'd rather sell Mirralas than loan out lookman, we are desperate for pace in a Striker/Winger and people want to loan him out? Even if we get a few in they may take time to settle etc and if he ain't getting the game time can always lone him in Jan, same with Dowel as Forest can't believe there luck.

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 19, 2017, 06:15:50 AM
why would you want him loaned out, it pissed me off that Dowell was loaned out, i wanted  to see him develop with us!
he would have been awesome last night, i know i big up super mo, lol but Dowell is a much better player than Besic.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: toffee_scot on August 19, 2017, 08:13:47 PM
why would you want him loaned out, it pissed me off that Dowell was loaned out, i wanted  to see him develop with us!
he would have been awesome last night, i know i big up super mo, lol but Dowell is a much better player than Besic.

I guess the thinking behind this was Dowell would play more minutes of first team football on loan than he would have at Everton where he would have probably only featured playing in the odd game for the last 10 minutes or so and occasionally starting the game maybe in a League cup game against lower tier opposition. As long as he gains plenty of experience at Nottingham Forest then hopefully by next season he will be ready to feature more prominently for Everton.

I must admit, I'm wondering if perhaps Lookman should also go out on loan on a short term basis this season. The big concern of course would be that we lose the availability of one player in a position where we are short of quality and options, but remember that he's made a big jump from playing non-League football to League One football and then not so long afterwards to Premier League football and he's still only 19. He might also benefit from playing regularly for a Championship team. I trust that Koeman knows what option will be best for Lookman this season.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on August 20, 2017, 12:21:34 AM
He'll probably go out on loan in January when Bolasie and Coleman return and we have a fully functioning right hand side again.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bacarelle on August 20, 2017, 12:48:41 AM
He'll probably go out on loan in January when Bolasie and Coleman return and we have a fully functioning right hand side again.

I would be against this.

There is no substitute for pace and we are short of that commodity.

Even as an impact sub he would be worth having on the bench - imagine the dismay of opposition defences, twenty or thirty minutes from time if he was introduced. He has the potential to run them ragged and score or create chances for others.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blargins on August 20, 2017, 04:14:42 AM
No we need to keep him with us. He'll get plenty of minutes.

But why does he always look so worried when he plays?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on August 20, 2017, 04:24:41 AM
The more I see of him the more I want to see ....the lad has " it " but needs to know how to use it ....
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Toddacelli on August 20, 2017, 03:44:42 PM
No we need to keep him with us. He'll get plenty of minutes.

But why does he always look so worried when he plays?
He has the same facial affliction as Lennon - a face people like to interpret.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bacarelle on September 18, 2017, 05:51:26 PM
I am sorry to raise this as I am sure someone else must have.

However, back in August I commented that Lookman would be vital in injecting pace into what appeared to be a rather lethargic looking lineup.

Has anyone any idea why he isn't even on the bench during our present troubles. Is it injury or has he just upset Koeman ?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: hannu on September 18, 2017, 05:54:34 PM
I am sorry to raise this as I am sure someone else must have.

However, back in August I commented that Lookman would be vital in injecting pace into what appeared to be a rather lethargic looking lineup.

Has anyone any idea why he isn't even on the bench during our present troubles. Is it injury or has he just upset Koeman ?

koeman hates anyone who is faster than he is
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blueToffee on September 18, 2017, 05:59:52 PM
koeman hates anyone who is faster than he is

That explains so much. :)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on September 18, 2017, 06:05:28 PM
I can see why he might want to shield him from playing and getting tanked against better teams than us.

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lincs Toffee on September 18, 2017, 06:10:43 PM
He'll be playing Wednesday, him and Martina (however much you hate him) do link up well
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: van der Meyde on September 18, 2017, 07:39:24 PM
Has anyone any idea why he isn't even on the bench during our present troubles. Is it injury or has he just upset Koeman ?
Koeman's told him to do one.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2017, 05:43:36 AM
He's even worse than Barkley for losing the ball carelessly.

At the minute we look so frail on the break he's probably concerned that having Lookman on might be exciting but it'll probably cost us points when he gets in nicked off him.

I expect to see him Wednesday though tbh. Look forward to it.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blueToffee on September 19, 2017, 05:48:20 AM
He's even worse than Barkley for losing the ball carelessly.

At the minute we look so frail on the break he's probably concerned that having Lookman on might be exciting but it'll probably cost us points when he gets in nicked off him.

I expect to see him Wednesday though tbh. Look forward to it.

If losing the ball carelessly was a reason for not getting picked, Rooney wouldn't be making the starting XI anytime soon again. If Barkley had given the ball away as much as him during that Man United game, it would've been held up as an example of why Koeman doesn't pick him.

That said, I think Lookman is better off the bench right now.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on September 19, 2017, 05:50:38 AM
If losing the ball carelessly was a reason for not getting picked, Rooney wouldn't be making the starting XI anytime soon again. If Barkley had given the ball away as much as him during that Man United game, it would've been held up as an example of why Koeman doesn't pick him.

That said, I think Lookman is better off the bench right now.

Yeah he's weird rooney. Either a cut above or insanely sloppy, often within mins of one another.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 19, 2017, 06:03:41 AM
Since his first game he hasn't actually played that well when given the opportunity.
Hes fast and he likes a trick, but his decision making is very poor (understandable given his age), he loses the ball a lot.
I think he'll come good once he starts to improve in these areas, but so far I can't see how he's warranted a place in the side. A decent game mid week might be enough to change people's minds though.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Rhys on September 19, 2017, 06:35:13 AM
If losing the ball carelessly was a reason for not getting picked, Rooney wouldn't be making the starting XI anytime soon again. If Barkley had given the ball away as much as him during that Man United game, it would've been held up as an example of why Koeman doesn't pick him.

That said, I think Lookman is better off the bench right now.

It isnt just losing the ball, it is where and how you lose it. Every time Lookman has played he looks like he has a lot of talent but not an understanding of how to use his talents fully and not a great appreciation of what is needed in what situations. For instance times when he has been in our half and he has tried to take two people on where there is minimal benefit for it working against passing it and moving forward into space whereas the risk if you lose it is huge. Or even in the other half when he has got past someone had space to drive into and he's slowed it down and come back.

I'd have him on the bench because if you need something to happen he is different to what we have, he can do something out of nothing and I really dont see much point in Mirallas any more aside from he plays with more sense than Lookman if you are winning. But I dont see a player who is ready for regular starts for us like a lot seem to think, I think its a case of people liking the idea of what he could be than the reality of the level he is at right now and people might get frustrated with him if he played 10 games in a row for losing the ball a lot, making daft decisions and frustrating more than he does good.

Not that there is anything wrong with that because he is a teenager and someone who came into academy football relatively late so he will have a different learning curve. We can all see the talent is there but same with DCL there is a clamour for him because of the problems we have in the squad rather than him being ready to play week in week out in my opinion.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blueToffee on September 19, 2017, 06:51:03 AM
It isnt just losing the ball, it is where and how you lose it. Every time Lookman has played he looks like he has a lot of talent but not an understanding of how to use his talents fully and not a great appreciation of what is needed in what situations. For instance times when he has been in our half and he has tried to take two people on where there is minimal benefit for it working against passing it and moving forward into space whereas the risk if you lose it is huge. Or even in the other half when he has got past someone had space to drive into and he's slowed it down and come back.

I'd have him on the bench because if you need something to happen he is different to what we have, he can do something out of nothing and I really dont see much point in Mirallas any more aside from he plays with more sense than Lookman if you are winning. But I dont see a player who is ready for regular starts for us like a lot seem to think, I think its a case of people liking the idea of what he could be than the reality of the level he is at right now and people might get frustrated with him if he played 10 games in a row for losing the ball a lot, making daft decisions and frustrating more than he does good.

Not that there is anything wrong with that because he is a teenager and someone who came into academy football relatively late so he will have a different learning curve. We can all see the talent is there but same with DCL there is a clamour for him because of the problems we have in the squad rather than him being ready to play week in week out in my opinion.

Agree with all that. I don't think he or DCL are ready, but necessity needs us to consider using them at the moment for the attributes they have. I'd also agree that there is little point to playing Mirallas now more than ever, I'd rather give the 10 mins to one of the others if that was a choice.

Wasn't sure if you were suggesting Rooney wasn't giving it away in poor positions though? As I thought he has let the opposition have the ball in great position a number of times this season, and very noticeably I felt against Man United.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Juanito on September 19, 2017, 01:12:21 PM
Yeah he's weird rooney. Either a cut above or insanely sloppy, often within mins of one another.

Enthusiasm and an Evertonian. Maybe tries to do too much. Not so long ago he could do it all too.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: ally2 on September 19, 2017, 06:23:11 PM
I want him to try the extravagant. People complaining at him trying to take on multiple players - this is the English disease. That's why you end up with pace merchants and nothing else from English wingers. I don't expect him to take it through an entire team but more game time will allow him to naturally judge what is possible. If he has to calculate this every time he has the ball then you're going to end up with a percentages player and shouts of 'headless chicken'. He must be encouraged to do the unexpected.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 19, 2017, 07:33:52 PM
I want him to try the extravagant. People complaining at him trying to take on multiple players - this is the English disease. That's why you end up with pace merchants and nothing else from English wingers. I don't expect him to take it through an entire team but more game time will allow him to naturally judge what is possible. If he has to calculate this every time he has the ball then you're going to end up with a percentages player and shouts of 'headless chicken'. He must be encouraged to do the unexpected.

This is also why you play him 60-90 minutes v. Sunderland, not bring him off the bench.  How is he supposed to improve his decision making without ample first-team minutes?

And no, he doesn't need to go on loan, either.  He's good enough to play at this level, we just have to pick our spots (but not be so paranoid and stingy about them).
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on September 19, 2017, 08:14:50 PM
I want him to try the extravagant. People complaining at him trying to take on multiple players - this is the English disease. That's why you end up with pace merchants and nothing else from English wingers. I don't expect him to take it through an entire team but more game time will allow him to naturally judge what is possible. If he has to calculate this every time he has the ball then you're going to end up with a percentages player and shouts of 'headless chicken'. He must be encouraged to do the unexpected.

Getting hold of the ball in the final third is pretty unexpected at the minute. He's got a low base to start from.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 19, 2017, 08:18:10 PM
He's good enough to play at this level

And you're basing that on what?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: everton1952 on September 19, 2017, 08:32:13 PM
It is amazing how many people associate the absence of a player from the team to being "on the wrong side of Koeman". Is it not far more probable that the manager does not think they are good enough to pick, or their form was so bad they are no longer picked? We have two big disadvantages in relation to Koeman. He is a football coach and ex-player and is a far better judge of footballers than we are. He sees players at first hand whether in the first team or U23 or in training, and forms a judgement and we cannot form any judgement because we are not on the inside to make any. People who are frustrated at the terrible state we are now in, turn to unfounded inventions about the manager's player relations.  We all have opinions based on what we see on the pitch, but we cannot judge on others who rarely or never get a game probably for a good reason.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 19, 2017, 09:11:05 PM
And you're basing that on what?

What I saw last season.  He has some rough edges, sure.  He's young.

But he also has skills that this squad lacks completely.  Mainly speed, directness, and aggression.  Plus a nose for the goal, as we seem to put an XI out there where Rooney seems like the only man who knows where the goal even is.  When the plan revolves around Rooney that much, you are using him very, very poorly and the results will be very, very bad (as they have been - and it's not Rooney's fault). 

It's up to the coaching staff to focus that raw energy correctly on the pitch.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: formerKHL on September 19, 2017, 09:18:08 PM
It is amazing how many people associate the absence of a player from the team to being "on the wrong side of Koeman". Is it not far more probable that the manager does not think they are good enough to pick, or their form was so bad they are no longer picked? We have two big disadvantages in relation to Koeman. He is a football coach and ex-player and is a far better judge of footballers than we are. He sees players at first hand whether in the first team or U23 or in training, and forms a judgement and we cannot form any judgement because we are not on the inside to make any. People who are frustrated at the terrible state we are now in, turn to unfounded inventions about the manager's player relations.  We all have opinions based on what we see on the pitch, but we cannot judge on others who rarely or never get a game probably for a good reason.

totally agree with this post completely...I also agree with what Ally2 is saying further up..we do have a tendency in this country to stifle players with flair and skill.....
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 19, 2017, 09:42:24 PM
What I saw last season.  He has some rough edges, sure.  He's young.

But he also has skills that this squad lacks completely.  Mainly speed, directness, and aggression.  Plus a nose for the goal, as we seem to put an XI out there where Rooney seems like the only man who knows where the goal even is.  When the plan revolves around Rooney that much, you are using him very, very poorly and the results will be very, very bad (as they have been - and it's not Rooney's fault). 

It's up to the coaching staff to focus that raw energy correctly on the pitch.
He has skills but he seems really timid, easy to knock off the ball and the game passes him by massively

That's not to say I wouldn't give him game time
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 21, 2017, 05:01:27 PM
Loads of potential just needs to strengthen up same as DCL has done.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Gary1878 on September 21, 2017, 07:21:36 PM
The kid is 19 years old. Of course he isn't built like a man yet. DCL is 18 months older which makes a fair difference. (correction 6 months older - but still is further in his development)

Convinced he will be a superstar in the future with the right game management, coaching and support.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 21, 2017, 08:04:00 PM
The kid is 19 years old. Of course he isn't built like a man yet. DCL is 18 months older which makes a fair difference. (correction 6 months older - but still is further in his development)

Convinced he will be a superstar in the future with the right game management, coaching and support.

Convinced he will be a superstar in the future if/but/maybe ;)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 21, 2017, 10:56:53 PM
It is amazing how many people associate the absence of a player from the team to being "on the wrong side of Koeman". Is it not far more probable that the manager does not think they are good enough to pick, or their form was so bad they are no longer picked? We have two big disadvantages in relation to Koeman. He is a football coach and ex-player and is a far better judge of footballers than we are. He sees players at first hand whether in the first team or U23 or in training, and forms a judgement and we cannot form any judgement because we are not on the inside to make any. People who are frustrated at the terrible state we are now in, turn to unfounded inventions about the manager's player relations.  We all have opinions based on what we see on the pitch, but we cannot judge on others who rarely or never get a game probably for a good reason.


I stopped reading at pick, cos I dont think Koeman is anywhere near good enough to manage us.
I for one dont care what koeman has to say about players or who he favors, ive had enough of the boring pragmatic football,
We have players who can get the fans behind us with pace and excitement, but all we get is Moyes-esque players in the wrong positions just cos we are shitting ourselves of the opposition.. oh we're playing  the Cherries.. lets play 8 defenders again.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on September 21, 2017, 11:56:51 PM

I stopped reading at pick, cos I dont think Koeman is anywhere near good enough to manage us.
I for one dont care what koeman has to say about players or who he favors, ive had enough of the boring pragmatic football,
We have players who can get the fans behind us with pace and excitement, but all we get is Moyes-esque players in the wrong positions just cos we are shitting ourselves of the opposition.. oh we're playing  the Cherries.. lets play 8 defenders again.

Flapped it
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on September 22, 2017, 12:05:06 AM
Should've loaned him out if he going to barely get used. Needs football. Vital age for development.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 22, 2017, 12:09:18 AM
oh we're playing  the Cherries..

What Evertonian would say "We're playing the Cherries at the weekend"?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Coyb12 on September 22, 2017, 02:51:50 AM
The kid is 19 years old. Of course he isn't built like a man yet. DCL is 18 months older which makes a fair difference. (correction 6 months older - but still is further in his development)

Convinced he will be a superstar in the future with the right game management, coaching and support.
3 good excuses there mate when he's back at Charlton.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on September 22, 2017, 03:09:59 AM
Should've loaned him out if he going to barely get used. Needs football. Vital age for development.

Can't remember who it was who said the argument against this is that he's played men's football, just at a lower league. he needs top level coaching more than that.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: hannu on September 22, 2017, 08:44:44 PM
defo should use him more, has pace and isnt shot shy
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Gary1878 on September 22, 2017, 08:55:34 PM
3 good excuses there mate when he's back at Charlton.

No excuses. What I am saying is that he has the ability and he needs to be given game time in order to prove it. No good leaving him on the bench or out of match squads every game and expecting him to progress.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blueToffee on September 22, 2017, 08:56:40 PM
I think we'll see him more as the season progresses. However, you have to say you look at Vlasic in comparison at 19 and he looks like he's played at this level for a while now (which he has of course albeit in a different league but he's been up against more seasoned professionals). Of the two though it's hard not to see Vlasic as more ready at this moment.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Gary1878 on September 22, 2017, 08:59:23 PM
Lookman is the same age at Rashford (11 days older), and look at how he has improved with game time and management.

If he has the ability, then he should be played much more than he is. Otherwise, send him out on loan. Either way, he needs experience and letting him play with the under 23s doesn't give him that.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Toddacelli on September 22, 2017, 10:14:07 PM

I stopped reading at pick, cos I dont think Koeman is anywhere near good enough to manage us.
I for one dont care what koeman has to say about players or who he favors, ive had enough of the boring pragmatic football,
We have players who can get the fans behind us with pace and excitement, but all we get is Moyes-esque players in the wrong positions just cos we are shitting ourselves of the opposition.. oh we're playing  the Cherries.. lets play 8 defenders again.


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Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 22, 2017, 11:23:04 PM

(http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/32/480x373/gallery-1470917828-rock-eyebrow.gif)

The peoples eyebrow, for the Peoples club.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: brap2 on September 23, 2017, 12:13:07 AM
This thread in danger of being moved to the shite shouts thread.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on September 30, 2017, 03:45:35 PM
Spurs, interested

Barkley & Lookman double swoop?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Faceatthefence on September 30, 2017, 04:01:19 PM
Spurs, interested

Barkley & Lookman double swoop?
Reading that on nights,50 million? The spurs obviously see attacking flair as positive in the modern game.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on September 30, 2017, 04:03:44 PM
London homesick blues for Mola?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: sam of the south on September 30, 2017, 04:28:56 PM
Spurs, interested

Barkley & Lookman double swoop?

I think they would both do brilliantly under Pochettino's tutelage.

*sigh* 😔
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 05:01:27 PM
Hope this is all bullshit,

one of our most exciting players, i feel he's being mis handled by Koeman, ie, He could have brought him on in the last ten mins V Apollon, or against anyone in the last 10 mins, give the kid more experience.

Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Brownie20 on September 30, 2017, 05:11:51 PM
Hope this is all bullshit,

one of our most exciting players, i feel he's being mis handled by Koeman, ie, He could have brought him on in the last ten mins V Apollon, or against anyone in the last 10 mins, give the kid more experience.



My general rule of thumb is 80% of newspaper transfer rumours are bullshit
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: toffee_scot on September 30, 2017, 05:20:08 PM
I'm surprised he didn't go out on loan before the summer transfer window shut, he could have done with a few months playing first team football regularly perhaps for a Championship team.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on September 30, 2017, 05:29:32 PM
I'm surprised he didn't go out on loan before the summer transfer window shut, he could have done with a few months playing first team football regularly perhaps for a Championship team.

Defo should've been loaned out, like Dowell. Games, confidence and the chance to develop would've done him the world of good.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ross on September 30, 2017, 05:48:15 PM
At the moment I've not got much confidence in whoevers job it is to find our young players suitable loan clubs so I'm happier he's here at the moment to be honest. Not much point just sending him out to sit on a championship clubs bench when they could be here training with our first team, like what seems to have been happening recently with others.

Anyway hopefully this Spurs stuff is the usual bollocks, although it does seem a bit random to be completely made up. 
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: ally2 on September 30, 2017, 05:49:28 PM
Defo wouldn't have loaned him out myself!  Too good.

Yes he isn't getting game time here at this exact moment but no one knows why that is and there could very well be a good reason for it except everyone's in a very negative state of mind at the moment so believe what they want.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blue slug on September 30, 2017, 10:43:15 PM
As shite as we've been playing lookman and vlasic should be starting for me, at least they give us pace and width instead of the ponderous turgid crap we've been served up this season
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: ally2 on September 30, 2017, 10:55:13 PM
As shite as we've been playing lookman and vlasic should be starting for me, at least they give us pace and width instead of the ponderous turgid crap we've been served up this season

Yes great but that's no good against teams that sit back is it?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: blue slug on September 30, 2017, 10:57:48 PM
Still prefer genuine pace and width as opposed to shoehorning in three slow number 10s who pass sideways a majority of the time
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Paddockoldie on September 30, 2017, 11:24:08 PM
He needs to be given game time or he'll think he can make it elsewhere. He strikes me as very ambitious and he won't hang around if he thinks he doesn't feature in Koeman's plans much. At least off the bench..
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 01, 2017, 03:10:44 AM
I got homesick at Goodison the other night and I only live on Everton Road.  The Koeman effect.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: BlueForYou on October 01, 2017, 03:16:25 AM
From Colonel Koeman:

"Show some Dutch courage, lad"
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on October 01, 2017, 05:19:14 AM
Should play him left ahead of Baines need width and his pace badly.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Coyb12 on November 19, 2017, 09:55:30 PM
Looks way out of his depth.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on November 19, 2017, 10:51:07 PM
He comes on and does really well then on the odd occasion he starts he's been truly dreadful. Odd that it's so "night and day"
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Coyb12 on November 19, 2017, 11:04:45 PM
Should play him left ahead of Baines need width and his pace badly.
What do you think.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Shogun on November 19, 2017, 11:07:40 PM
Been saying it for months.

Clear talent but not ready for PL football. His decision making is terrible and that's why he's produced fuck all on the pitch.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on November 19, 2017, 11:28:31 PM
Been saying it for months.

Clear talent but not ready for PL football. His decision making is terrible and that's why he's produced fuck all on the pitch.
Another like DCL should be doing half hour cameos at best to blood him ....but made to play ninety .
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on November 20, 2017, 12:08:47 AM
Playing every week in the Championship and improving that decision making would do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Coyb12 on November 20, 2017, 12:13:57 AM
Playing every week in the Championship and improving that decision making would do him the world of good.
He has done that.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on November 20, 2017, 12:16:26 AM
He has done that.

Aye. I think he needs more of it now. Our young players are as good as those around Europe. The problem is the lack of consistent game time they get at this sort of age. No substitute for playing every week, learning to improve your decision making and dealing with big grocks trying to kick you all game.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Coyb12 on November 20, 2017, 12:21:01 AM
 :thumbsup:
Aye. I think he needs more of it now. Our young players are as good as those around Europe. The problem is the lack of consistent game time they get at this sort of age. No substitute for playing every week, learning to improve your decision making and dealing with big grocks trying to kick you all game.
That won't teach him what he has to do at prem level.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Bluedylan on November 20, 2017, 12:23:14 AM
:thumbsup:That won't teach him what he has to do at prem level.

Yeah I see your point but we can't afford to play him every week given our position and given that he's still very inconsistent, so how else do we get him 30-40 games a season?
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Shogun on November 20, 2017, 12:23:18 AM
:thumbsup:That won't teach him what he has to do at prem level.

Should just sell him to Tranmere for 50K then
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Coyb12 on November 20, 2017, 12:28:57 AM
Should just sell him to Tranmere for 50K then
Hope you haven't got your own business.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Coyb12 on November 20, 2017, 12:33:41 AM
 >:(
Yeah I see your point but we can't afford to play him every week given our position and given that he's still very inconsistent, so how else do we get him 30-40 games a season?
It's a catch 22position with lookman looks way out of his depth in the prem at times but does show little glimpses,so in an ideal world a loan to another prem side would of been the answer at the start of the season but who could envisaged the start we have had so I think back to the bench and give him 30mins when we can.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: boothill on November 20, 2017, 12:36:09 AM
He's looked a lot more confident and zippy coming off the bench, i would leave it like that for the rest of the season unless covering for suspensions or injuries, he will still learn a lot from that
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: TheRam on November 20, 2017, 12:36:30 AM
Everytime he starts he's shows exactly why he doesn't get much game time.

Great talent though just has a lot to learn.

Ideal world is we send him on loan in January and have bolasie take his place in the squad.

Have a horrible feeling we're going to manage him badly, sell him prematurely and really regret it.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on November 20, 2017, 12:46:50 AM
He has done that.

I thought he was playing in League One when we signed him. Is it any wonder he has struggled, it's a hell of a jump for a young lad who didn't come through an academy. He should have been loaned out this season to the championship as a matter of course, to get him playing very week at a higher level than he was used and help his progression to a higher level.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Danny on November 20, 2017, 01:50:29 AM
We should loan him to someone like Wolves, get him playing every week for a team that is really pushing for promotion.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Jimmywhack on November 20, 2017, 01:51:30 AM
Not good enough for me
Loan him out and see how he gets on
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Polledreng on November 20, 2017, 01:58:51 AM
Yeah I see your point but we can't afford to play him every week given our position and given that he's still very inconsistent, so how else do we get him 30-40 games a season?
get relegated ;)
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: mikey_blue on November 20, 2017, 02:23:19 AM
Was poor yesterday. From what we've seen so far, Vlasic is miles ahead of him.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: gizzblue on November 20, 2017, 02:26:51 AM
Vlasic is miles ahead but I think he's slept with rhino's bird or summat. ..because he's really disapeared since he took over .
Title: Lookman
Post by: ally2 on November 20, 2017, 07:39:07 PM
Lookman is your classic young, skillful but erratic winger. We've seen them all before. Just needs time to see if he will develop. He might not. I'd prefer him to stay here though if possible.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Ridge on November 20, 2017, 07:58:50 PM
Like to see Bolasie take him under his wing.

Bolasie is all party, no pants. While Lookman is a little too keen and direct for my money, needs more confidence, mischief and patience.
Title: Re: Lookman
Post by: Lxxx on November 20, 2017, 08:04:37 PM
Just needs to play regular football at a level he can make a difference at to bring his game on. When Bolasie is back he won't get a look in so best to get him a decent championship side.