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Title: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 09, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
Interesting article: Everton live stream reachers 1.5million
http://www.businesscloud.co.uk/news/everton-facebook-live-stream-reaches-15m

A few people have touched on it before, but surely we are very close now to having home and away games streamed live for coin. I'm all for having ALL games available to people, but only at the right price, i.e. pennies... not a fiver plus, or perhaps like a Sky Subscription, where you get a proper, stable, HD channel, for all Everton games, home and away for say a tenner a month or something. Even on facebook/linkable to your main TV - assuming the game would of course have to be better quality than the Sevilla stream, which was a bit choppy, I'd pay for that and other content.

My issue here is, that although we could have an Everton TV, like the MUFCTV, LiverpoolTV, etc that we see on our Sky Sports, with say a tenner monthly sub, having the likes of Facebook streaming now coming alive, and obviously working in huge numbers, would we AGAIN get embroiled in a bidding war, with Facebook going head to head with BT, Sky, even the clubs themselves to battle rights and prices up to a stupid amount.

I guess, the more places that do good quality streams, mean we are more likely to be able to find dodgy streams, but I just wish that these companies could sit down with the fans (their customers) and come up with something that we can all be happy with, that benefits us all. But can you see that happening?

Most people here will obviously get to the games, a lot to the away games, but if you could pay for a perfect quality TV "live" game, how much do you think a fair price would be per game and per month?
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Waltzer on August 09, 2017, 03:23:17 PM
Surely Sky/BT would have a lot of this nailed down to prevent? Plus the Premier league would surely be opposed as teams would have their own pricing structures and we'd end up with the bigger supported teams pulling further away as they'd have much bigger subscription rates?
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 09, 2017, 03:26:29 PM
If the likes of Facebook come in and offer a LOT more than the TV people, directly to the teams themselves, then the FA and the money men in the rich media corporations will have coronarys ;) money talks, and where the is lots of money, anything could happen.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Escla on August 09, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
For games televised on Sky if I can't get to a game I pay 6.99 for the match, if there are other events/games on Sky the same week I pay 10.99 for a weekly pass, this only applies to SKY games though.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 09, 2017, 03:49:44 PM
Can see Netflix/Prime getting involved in live sports streaming (not necessarily PL football) and it having a knock on effect.

Not sure teams could sell individual rights to their games though. All clubs are bound to some sort of PL agreement I'd have thought. I think the stage of clubs selling their own broadcasting rights is if/when a Euro Super League breaks away.

Then pretty much everyone is fucked, and imo should kinda be planning for that shit right now.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Buck76 on August 09, 2017, 03:49:52 PM
Think it's going to be difficult to get decent streams next season as they've cracked down on Kodi etc... you can't beat a live sat game & I don't think people would mind paying the price of a pint for a game on FB live, the additional revenue stream will be mainly for the unfancied teams that don't get constantly played on Sky & BT every week anyway and it would Help reduce illegal streaming.. the main problem would be the fear of the effect on attendances.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: TheTone on August 09, 2017, 04:27:34 PM
Currently paying sky 82 a month for all the channels but still don't have BT Sports cause I sacked it off when I saw that cunt gerrard on it

BT are charging 220 for the year if I renew

Getting screwed ain't I but I like the convenience of sky, watching those streams online is very hit and miss

My mates had a 'dodgy box' but it's cut off now, how do you lids watch the games?
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Rhys on August 09, 2017, 04:39:39 PM
If the likes of Facebook come in and offer a LOT more than the TV people, directly to the teams themselves, then the FA and the money men in the rich media corporations will have coronarys ;) money talks, and where the is lots of money, anything could happen.

Facebook will be able to offer a lot more money to whoever they need than Sky or BT whether thats the clubs, the FA, the Premier league etc.

They've already started they have some La Liga games, think they might be getting some Ligue 1 games? I'd be shocked if Facebook, Twitter, Amazon dont go for the rights in the near future not just for football for a lot of sports and they have the backing behind them to blow the traditional providers out of the water. Facebook are trying to get Major League Baseball rights, they won some MLS games, twitter won some NFL games and now they've been won by Amazon. They make a lot of money out of advertising imagine what they could make if Facebook say had all MLB and PL rights?

The NFL games when it went out there were bids from Amazon, Facebook, Twitter and Google. A few years ago it would have been unthinkable that those companies would be the leading organisations to win the rights for these things but they are and I'd imagine that is where football rights will start to go over the coming years.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 09, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
Currently paying sky 82 a month for all the channels but still don't have BT Sports cause I sacked it off when I saw that cunt gerrard on it

BT are charging 220 for the year if I renew

Getting screwed ain't I but I like the convenience of sky, watching those streams online is very hit and miss

My mates had a 'dodgy box' but it's cut off now, how do you lids watch the games?
Sportsmania on kodi
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 09, 2017, 04:56:27 PM
Sportsmania
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: blue1948 on August 09, 2017, 05:15:07 PM
Currently paying sky 82 a month for all the channels but still don't have BT Sports cause I sacked it off when I saw that cunt gerrard on it

BT are charging 220 for the year if I renew

Getting screwed ain't I but I like the convenience of sky, watching those streams online is very hit and miss

My mates had a 'dodgy box' but it's cut off now, how do you lids watch the games?
It all still works online ,the streams are there but some of the addons have gone .On the original topic I would be glad to be legal and pay for each match ,the reason I sacked Canal Plus is that they never showed us live and the guy I spoke to offering me the world to stay ,said he sympathized as he was a Villa supporter .If they could set it up for one team I would be in especially for us expats it should be possible.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: blargins on August 09, 2017, 05:23:49 PM
Currently pay $220 a month for phone, internet and tv. No idea how that breaks down in individual packages. But that includes every premiership game broadcast live on tv or online in hd quality. Hope that never changes.
Title: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 09, 2017, 06:18:24 PM
If the likes of Facebook come in and offer a LOT more than the TV people, directly to the teams themselves, then the FA and the money men in the rich media corporations will have coronarys ;) money talks, and where the is lots of money, anything could happen.
It's not that simple. The premier league is a syndicate, changes require a vote. If clubs started abandoning it because fb offered more money, the league who collapse and a new one would be required. Since most teams would lose financially, only a handful would do it, and the new league would be shit without enough teams. The only real risk would be from a euro super league. PL has proven the syndicate model is the way to go, hence the ever increasing money. Add that to the (restated by Scudmore again today) commitment to a 3pm blackout, and it doesn't matter how much money fb has. They could get involved and buy the right like anyone else, but given it's now 4k through TV and the fb stream was 720p and far from perfect, the fb stream option won't compete as it was done for our friendly.

1.5m viewers? Hmm.. the display is the corner didn't pass 22k on mine. Given a lot of people tried to connect (multiple times?) and failed/found it unwatchable I suspect those numbers are highly questionable. As to "pennies a game"!!! If you can make the maths on that clear 5billion in current rights then you should contact facebook with your business proposal. Never going to happen.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 09, 2017, 06:20:32 PM
Can see Netflix/Prime getting involved in live sports streaming (not necessarily PL football) and it having a knock on effect.

Not sure teams could sell individual rights to their games though. All clubs are bound to some sort of PL agreement I'd have thought. I think the stage of clubs selling their own broadcasting rights is if/when a Euro Super League breaks away.

Then pretty much everyone is fucked, and imo should kinda be planning for that shit right now.
We are. Crack the elite then we could be part of that league if/when it happens.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 09, 2017, 06:21:32 PM
Think it's going to be difficult to get decent streams next season as they've cracked down on Kodi etc... you can't beat a live sat game & I don't think people would mind paying the price of a pint for a game on FB live, the additional revenue stream will be mainly for the unfancied teams that don't get constantly played on Sky & BT every week anyway and it would Help reduce illegal streaming.. the main problem would be the fear of the effect on attendances.
Kodi is fine, and lesser teams can't sub contract the rights outside the league.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: TheTone on August 09, 2017, 07:46:27 PM
So Kodi is free and I'm a mug to be paying to watch footie?

How reliable is this thing, surely there must be some catch?

I'm really shit when it comes to these things
Title: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 09, 2017, 08:00:48 PM
So Kodi is free and I'm a mug to be paying to watch footie?

How reliable is this thing, surely there must be some catch?

I'm really shit when it comes to these things
Well I wouldn't say you're a mug, but given the money only gets you so many games (opener isn't on it for example) it's a value for money determination.

People mistake Kodi for a magic device or subscription alternative, it's not. The streams have been there for years, Kodi simply removes the need for any technical understanding and blocks all the spam ads you get on the source websites. It basically puts the entire streaming community into one menu.

Addons in Kodi come and go, but the streams remain, so sometimes you do need to look through a bit more to find them, but I haven't missed a game in two years of using it (as long as it's on tv somewhere in the world, no use for early round league cup games!) and found no prob getting streams during the supposed crackdown last March. Since this seasons much announced crackdown is just an extension of last seasons, I would be amazed if I can't get streams. And I don't use a VPN, which would instantly unblock all the ones that have been blocked (individual stream servers).

From what I've heard, some iptv boxes have stopped working, but thats what happens when you pay someone for stolen content, it will not last. I have never paid for it since I got rid of sky sports in 2011 and it was the best money saving decision I've ever made.

Worth noting, you don't get 4k quality perfection. But you don't need it, I watch on a fair size HD flatscreen output from my PC. You also have to accept that on occasion a stream can drop out and needs to be restarted, or possibly switch to another. But then bad weather can screw your satellite signal anyway, that's just life. The value for 0 per month is infinite.

For a quality comparsion, the fb live coverage was worse than I've often gotten for PL games, in both quality and stability (and comms for that matter!)
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Simon Paul on August 10, 2017, 02:19:24 AM
at the moment the deals are done through the Premier League

they're done that way so the likes of newly promoted Huddersfield get a fair crack of the TV revenue, otherwise we'd up like Spain where Barca and Real do their own deals and screw the rest of the league over
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: ally2 on August 10, 2017, 02:29:29 AM
Yeah Sky etc make money because they make you pay loads to watch games that you would probably never otherwise watch.  So the strength comes from the whole package.  It's genius!
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Everton Mint on August 10, 2017, 02:41:18 AM
Checking my 10 regular streaming sites that I have used for ages (for last night's R.Madrid-ManU and tonight's Villa game), about half of them were/are offline.

My mate in work said he couldnt get a stream of the game last night either. He said he's gutted as he's already ordered a new Kodi box and the clampdown looks like its really happening.

A couple of my stream sites still seem ok, but when the PL starts I guess they will either get blocked too, or be overwhelmed by everyone trying to use them.

Streaming football free has been great for about 12 years, but it could be the beginning of the end. :(
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Simon Paul on August 10, 2017, 02:42:39 AM
the problem with Kodi is that the people who run the add-ons don't make any money unless they run a subscription model and then draw major attention to themselves and risk prison....

once something that doesn't make you much money starts to be a pain in the arse, then you tend to jib it
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: DIXIEDEAN on August 10, 2017, 02:54:06 AM
if money isn't too much of an object for you subscribe (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;area=subscriptions) to a cheap vpn and buy directly off bein sports cost you about 140 for the year every prem game in full hd, pause rewind watch later ect  no messing trying to find stream
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Everton Mint on August 10, 2017, 03:02:09 AM
Just to tip people off re Sky and their 10 new sport channels where they say 'just pay for the sport you want'... ITS A BIG CON !

First you have to pay for a Variety package at 25pm, then if you just want the PL football its 18pm but you only get that ONE channel; you only get all 10 sports channels if you get the 27 package; plus its another 12pm for HD.

There may be deals for new customers, but existing ones save nothing unless they give up nearly all the sport channels.

Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: GoodisonPk on August 10, 2017, 03:08:18 AM
So Kodi is free and I'm a mug to be paying to watch footie?

How reliable is this thing, surely there must be some catch?

I'm really shit when it comes to these things

Can't be worse than me.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Trowel on August 10, 2017, 03:14:34 AM
I can see BT backing out of football over the next 5 years - the guy in charge of the budget left recently and was replaced by the CFO, so expect their spending to be reined in. That will likely open the door to the likes of Facebook or more likely Amazon.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: brap2 on August 10, 2017, 03:19:20 AM
Sportsmania on kodi

Tell me more
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 10, 2017, 03:21:05 AM
Tell me more
Fifty quid a year
All your sports channels

Or 26 for 6 months
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: stirlingblue on August 10, 2017, 03:52:46 AM
Fifty quid a year
All your sports channels

Or 26 for 6 months

I've used it for about a year now, never had any problems.

I think that their commitment is every PL game but I've also watched cups, Europe, friendlies and other sports (The Open, Rugby, Tennis).

Only thing is that you need decent internet (+20 mb)
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 10, 2017, 03:53:41 AM
I've used it for about a year now, never had any problems.

I think that their commitment is every PL game but I've also watched cups, Europe, friendlies and other sports (The Open, Rugby, Tennis).

Only thing is that you need decent internet (+20 mb)
I've got 10mb and never missed anything I've wanted including ppv
Title: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 10, 2017, 04:13:57 AM
Checking my 10 regular streaming sites that I have used for ages (for last night's R.Madrid-ManU and tonight's Villa game), about half of them were/are offline.

My mate in work said he couldnt get a stream of the game last night either. He said he's gutted as he's already ordered a new Kodi box and the clampdown looks like its really happening.

A couple of my stream sites still seem ok, but when the PL starts I guess they will either get blocked too, or be overwhelmed by everyone trying to use them.

Streaming football free has been great for about 12 years, but it could be the beginning of the end. :(
Bet you 100 it's not.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 10, 2017, 04:19:00 AM
the problem with Kodi is that the people who run the add-ons don't make any money unless they run a subscription model and then draw major attention to themselves and risk prison....

once something that doesn't make you much money starts to be a pain in the arse, then you tend to jib it
That's partly true. What you find is cycles of robin hoods. The streamers are still there so the middle man job has moved from the old well known streaming sites to the kodi addon builders. It's remarkably easy (they borrow others code much as many websites do) so there are always new guys looking to be the next hero.

Yeah, after a while individuals have enough grief, but by then they've inspired dozens of others to keep the flame alive.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Everton Mint on August 10, 2017, 10:17:22 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/07/27/premier-league-lands-game-changing-court-order-war-illegal-streaming/

I guess we'll all see what happens this weekend...
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 10, 2017, 10:28:52 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/07/27/premier-league-lands-game-changing-court-order-war-illegal-streaming/

I guess we'll all see what happens this weekend...

yes, fuck all.  From the article:

"It obtained a similar blocking order for the final two months of the 2016-2017 season, leading to around 5,000 server IP addresses being blocked."

So it's just an extension. And it didn't work last season. UK courts and the PL haven't invented magic, and can't shut down the entire internet during games, so streams will continue to be available. Kodi is just the streams around the web brought together, and so it will continue to offer them. The authorities have been playing whack-a-mole on streaming for over a decade, and have gotten nowhere. On the other hand, the media campaign the right wing press have been paid to wage telling you it's coming to an end is doing it's job, people less willing to try because they expect to fail.

The matchday thread will get various random streams posted in it again. All the court order does is block IP addresses to UK users. So, a VPN, problem solved. Source is not in the UK, so the courts have no power whatsoever.

Been having this same discussion with various people over the last decade, and the doomsayers are proven wrong every single time.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: dangermouse on August 11, 2017, 06:07:42 PM
Surely Sky/BT would have a lot of this nailed down to prevent? Plus the Premier league would surely be opposed as teams would have their own pricing structures and we'd end up with the bigger supported teams pulling further away as they'd have much bigger subscription rates?

Wait until Facebook start bidding for Football rights..... its going to happen
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: dangermouse on August 11, 2017, 06:09:56 PM
Currently paying sky 82 a month for all the channels but still don't have BT Sports cause I sacked it off when I saw that cunt gerrard on it

BT are charging 220 for the year if I renew

Getting screwed ain't I but I like the convenience of sky, watching those streams online is very hit and miss

My mates had a 'dodgy box' but it's cut off now, how do you lids watch the games?

Id happily pay Sky 200 to watch EVERY Everton game... This must be the way forward...
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: dangermouse on August 11, 2017, 06:11:51 PM
It's not that simple. The premier league is a syndicate, changes require a vote. If clubs started abandoning it because fb offered more money, the league who collapse and a new one would be required. Since most teams would lose financially, only a handful would do it, and the new league would be shit without enough teams. The only real risk would be from a euro super league. PL has proven the syndicate model is the way to go, hence the ever increasing money. Add that to the (restated by Scudmore again today) commitment to a 3pm blackout, and it doesn't matter how much money fb has. They could get involved and buy the right like anyone else, but given it's now 4k through TV and the fb stream was 720p and far from perfect, the fb stream option won't compete as it was done for our friendly.

1.5m viewers? Hmm.. the display is the corner didn't pass 22k on mine. Given a lot of people tried to connect (multiple times?) and failed/found it unwatchable I suspect those numbers are highly questionable. As to "pennies a game"!!! If you can make the maths on that clear 5billion in current rights then you should contact facebook with your business proposal. Never going to happen.

The Premier League sell TV rights every couple of years.... whoever pays the most for them gets them.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 06:36:27 PM
The Premier League sell TV rights every couple of years.... whoever pays the most for them gets them.

It's every three years. But that doesn't change the fact that the league is committed to the 3pm blackout, so showing every game isn't up to the broadcaster, regardless of how much they bid. They sell the games in packages, and broadcasters can only bid for the games that are offered. My post was refuting the idea that FB could replace everything with individual sales by clubs using the same quality they had for our friendly. I even clearly stated "They could get involved and buy the rights like anyone else" so I'm not clear why you replied to me?

Plus, your assumption that Facebook are the only giant out there willing to bid is seriously flawed. Amazon, Netflix and Google are all just as likely - Amazon or Netflix is probably far more likely as they already have the capability to provide 4k streaming around the world. Facebook would need to do some serious model changing, not least introducing a subscription model which Amazon and Netflix already have. So, going to happen? My money would be on someone else.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Bally on August 11, 2017, 07:32:40 PM
Id happily pay Sky 200 to watch EVERY Everton game... This must be the way forward...
Been saying this should happen for years, they can scramble what they want, so to stop illegal streaming set up a scheme we're you pay to watch your team, you will still get people going the game but for those that cannot afford a season ticket or are to far away a subscription straight to the club/sky for all games should be available, if it goes to the club this would eradicate sky and go some way to the money in just worry about the current money coming in and how it would be in the future
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
Been saying this should happen for years, they can scramble what they want, so to stop illegal streaming set up a scheme we're you pay to watch your team, you will still get people going the game but for those that cannot afford a season ticket or are to far away a subscription straight to the club/sky for all games should be available, if it goes to the club this would eradicate sky and go some way to the money in just worry about the current money coming in and how it would be in the future

That's been my moral stance on streaming. I would happily pay EFC 30+ a monthto get 38 Everton games (preferably without our inhouse comms, although that's a minor issue). Until they figure out a way for that to happen, I'll use the free options.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Everton Mint on August 11, 2017, 08:01:01 PM
Wonder if they will just concentrate on blocking the live games on BT & Sky ?

The others are usually the 3pm games and only shown abroad.

UK fans watching these on streams doesnt harm their revenues.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 11, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Id happily pay Sky 200 to watch EVERY Everton game... This must be the way forward...

Not sure it would, that would make it very similar to Spain? The big clubs get even richer due to their demand/fan base, the smaller clubs get poorer as they have much less interest and bring in far less money
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Everton Mint on August 11, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
I pay for Sky and justify the cost by assuming that my money goes to EFC, which it kind of does as part of the TV payments the club gets.

Clubs are spending fortunes on players and this is where a lot of the money comes from.

If you dont/cant go to the games and dont pay for Sky/BT but stream them for free, what are you contributing to Everton ?
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 11, 2017, 09:09:06 PM
I pay for Sky and justify the cost by assuming that my money goes to EFC, which it kind of does as part of the TV payments the club gets.

Clubs are spending fortunes on players and this is where a lot of the money comes from.

If you dont/cant go to the games and dont pay for Sky/BT but stream them for free, what are you contributing to Everton ?

25 Club Membership to watch 2.5 Pre-Season games!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 09:28:36 PM
I pay for Sky and justify the cost by assuming that my money goes to EFC, which it kind of does as part of the TV payments the club gets.

Clubs are spending fortunes on players and this is where a lot of the money comes from.

If you dont/cant go to the games and dont pay for Sky/BT but stream them for free, what are you contributing to Everton ?

Given the rights are bought in advance, for a set fee, and that is distributed to all clubs, the only ones losing to those who choose to stream instead of pay Sky/BT, are.. Sky and BT. And that's assuming that everyone who can't afford Sky/BT, or get a season ticket, would somehow pay for Sky/BT anyway. For a less than equal share of the live coverage. Fuck Sky and Fuck BT. Their interest is controlling the telecoms market, they don't care a jot about our club.

They are effectively ticket touts, buying up all the 'tv tickets' in advance, then trying to flog them for a profit. If they have a load left over then the club has already received the ticket money from them.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Everton Mint on August 12, 2017, 03:48:38 AM
Everton are a member of the PL and were when it was formed.

The PL sells the rights to the highest bidder.

They benefit fron the popularity of tv football.

Not paying for Sky had been argued for years but people still pay as they think its still value for money.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 12, 2017, 05:13:42 AM
Rights holders skew their coverage towards certain teams. The way I see it those teams fans pay for our club to buy players, etc. I paid Everton to watch preseason, once the PL and the broadcasters work out how to do it fairly (ie like overseas broadcasters offering 380 games a year match choice) I'll consider paying them again. Since I've been using streams exclusively since 2011, and the rights value has increased hugely, seems my pennies do not affect their equations. Plus I pay Sky for decent broadband so they are getting a contribution, it's just not massively disproportional to what they let me watch.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: Jamokachi on August 12, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
I pay $15 a month here in Australia for every single premiership game, highlights, PL shows. Pretty good deal. I get it so cheap because it's linked to my phone contract.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on August 12, 2017, 06:04:22 PM
I pay $15 a month here in Australia for every single premiership game, highlights, PL shows. Pretty good deal. I get it so cheap because it's linked to my phone contract.

This is why I won't currently pay for it here. Takes the piss big time that other countries get all the games for a lot less. Supply and demand does account for some price difference but overall it's just economic bullying. Black out all the games you like, I am not going to watch some shit lower league team I don't give a fuck about.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: nexitfun on September 10, 2017, 06:18:15 PM
If you ever need a stream to a game just let me know. I stream every Everton game I can in HD (which is 95% of games). They're all stable.

If there is anywhere I can regularly post it, let me know. If you need an idea of how good my streams are, I'll be streaming both PL games today.

http://nexit.fun
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 10, 2017, 06:59:59 PM
If you ever need a stream to a game just let me know. I stream every Everton game I can in HD (which is 95% of games). They're all stable.

If there is anywhere I can regularly post it, let me know. If you need an idea of how good my streams are, I'll be streaming both PL games today.

http://nexit.fun

seen a few of your streams, Repect and keep up the good work Nexit, usually pretty good quality streams. :)
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: MrWhite on September 10, 2017, 07:43:13 PM
If you ever need a stream to a game just let me know. I stream every Everton game I can in HD (which is 95% of games). They're all stable.

If there is anywhere I can regularly post it, let me know. If you need an idea of how good my streams are, I'll be streaming both PL games today.

http://nexit.fun

We already get your streams from the sub-reddit for our games. Thanks, your streams are pretty good.
Title: Re: The future of watching live games - streamed on Facebook?
Post by: blargins on September 10, 2017, 07:54:14 PM
I'm still pissed I'm going to have to pay an extra $50 for the season to NBC to watch streamed games despite the fact they've been part of my cable package (which has also increased in price) for the past few years.

Very hesitant in paying that. I'd rather pay it direct to the club. But I guess it would be a lot more than that a year.