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Title: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 05:37:54 PM
I thought we'd move onto the next level with spending money, sadly when you look at the Sigurdsson deal & Koemans comments it looks like another false dawn
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 11, 2017, 05:38:56 PM
Username checks out.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: dangermouse on August 11, 2017, 05:39:38 PM
No hes doing fine.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 05:40:19 PM
Username checks out.

Just your thoughts on the topic please Bob you boring man
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 11, 2017, 05:40:41 PM
But on topic, it's mid-August so can't really make an informed decision if he's a fraud or not. Not sure it's all about transfer fees tbh.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 11, 2017, 05:41:29 PM
Just your thoughts on the topic please Bob you boring man

No worries you dopey prick.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Glory on August 11, 2017, 05:41:31 PM
I mean seriously what did you want?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 05:41:38 PM
No hes doing fine.

So when he came in you were expecting a summer transfer window where we spent 7m?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 11, 2017, 05:42:12 PM
Has the window closed?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 05:42:42 PM
I mean seriously what did you want?

Opinions on the question at the top, it's not that hard to comprehend is it
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: TheTone on August 11, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
I'm keeping stum until the window closes
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 11, 2017, 05:45:07 PM
No, and I pity anyone who did.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: dangermouse on August 11, 2017, 05:45:21 PM
So when he came in you were expecting a summer transfer window where we spent 7m?

Last time I checked we had spent significantly more than 7m

Id imagine that operating costs have at least doubled.

We are in the process of getting a new ground.

He payed off the clubs 80m debt.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 11, 2017, 05:46:35 PM
Last time I checked we had spent significantly more than 7m

Id imagine that operating costs have at least doubled.

We are in the process of getting a new ground.

He payed off the clubs 80m debt.

Ye, bt wut about da net spend.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Glory on August 11, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
No. I mean why you consider it to be underwhelming. We were never getting PSG, City or Chelsea blank cheque approach. So again I ask you, what were you expecting?

Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: dangermouse on August 11, 2017, 05:48:15 PM
Ye, bt wut about da net spend.

are you taking the piss....
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: sirblue57 on August 11, 2017, 05:49:14 PM
I thought we'd move onto the next level with spending money, sadly when you look at the Sigurdsson deal & Koemans comments it looks like another false dawn
Thoughts?

Please.go to GOT . Or even better RAWK.....FFS.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 05:49:52 PM
No. I mean why you consider it to be underwhelming. We were never getting PSG, City or Chelsea blank cheque approach. So again I ask you, what were you expecting?

To spend more than we brought in.
 I don't believe anyone who says they thought when Moshiri rolled up that we'd still have to sell to buy
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Mac934 on August 11, 2017, 05:50:22 PM
What about the big increase in wages that are talked about, does that not count in your 7M spend. How much is that amount to? What of all the other work being done, ie extra sponsorship, the planned ground move, even the U23 squad improvements. Do you think they would have all happened with out Mr Moshiri's influence. Open your eyes it's not just transfer fees.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: dangermouse on August 11, 2017, 05:50:40 PM
No. I mean why you consider it to be underwhelming. We were never getting PSG, City or Chelsea blank cheque approach. So again I ask you, what were you expecting?



He was expecting to rub the net spend trophy in some kopites face.....
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bluedylan on August 11, 2017, 05:51:28 PM
Still pretty sure you're a kopite.

In that respect you've lived upto expectations. Moshiri has exceeded them, and long may that continue.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 05:51:50 PM
Ye, bt wut about da net spend.

Go to a different thread Bob, you bring nothing except worn out shouts. Like I said you're pretty boring no offence
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: dangermouse on August 11, 2017, 05:54:42 PM
I love these threads... Someone starts a pointless thread (Pointless because its being discussed in other threads) and complains when the thread doesn't revolve around them and their view....
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Macca77 on August 11, 2017, 06:00:32 PM
No, I don't expect more at all, anyone who does is a stupid

Next question
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 06:02:25 PM
I love these threads... Someone starts a pointless thread (Pointless because its being discussed in other threads) and complains when the thread doesn't revolve around them and their view....

Can you point out where I complained that the thread doesn't revolve around me please?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 06:03:21 PM
Please.go to GOT . Or even better RAWK.....FFS.

What do they stand for?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 06:04:16 PM
Still pretty sure you're a kopite.

In that respect you've lived upto expectations. Moshiri has exceeded them, and long may that continue.

Yeah then you're still pretty wrong but if it makes you feel better you think what you like buddy
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 06:05:18 PM
What about the big increase in wages that are talked about, does that not count in your 7M spend. How much is that amount to? What of all the other work being done, ie extra sponsorship, the planned ground move, even the U23 squad improvements. Do you think they would have all happened with out Mr Moshiri's influence. Open your eyes it's not just transfer fees.

Fair enough. Some valid points there although I don't think the ground is going to cost Moshiri any of his own money? Could be wrong
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
Think he's done fantastically. We got the manager we wanted, organised a ground move, u23s seem to have a massive budget now. Offered 100k plus week contracts to players.
I'm not sure what people wanted. What's the issue with Sigurdsson and moshiri. Did people think now we had more money we'd just rain down 20s on Swansea with zero negotiation or concept of value
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Lxxx on August 11, 2017, 06:08:08 PM
I'm just waiting for the 'You can have the Liver Building or a new striker, can't have both' comment.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2017, 06:10:43 PM
Fair enough. Some valid points there although I don't think the ground is going to cost Moshiri any of his own money? Could be wrong

Why does it being his own money matter. The ground is due to our improved professionalism and know how
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Polledreng on August 11, 2017, 06:12:45 PM
No, I don't expect more at all, anyone who does is a stupid

Next question
Is Koeman the right ...... ooohh forgot - has been asked,,,,
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: KevtheRat on August 11, 2017, 06:14:16 PM
Is Koeman the right ...... ooohh forgot - has been asked,,,,

And coming soon to a forum near you......... Is Pickford the right goalie?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 06:15:35 PM
Why does it being his own money matter. The ground is due to our improved professionalism and know how

Really?
Because I'm pretty sure when they contacted the owners of the land where the ground is going to be built they couldn't say we don't have any money but we've got increased professionalism & know how
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: dangermouse on August 11, 2017, 06:17:54 PM
Why cant you tool somebody more than once per day :(
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: mikey_blue on August 11, 2017, 06:19:08 PM
Big moves towards a new stadium, cleared our debt, heavily invested in the future of Everton with young players, made sure business was done early for a lot of highly rated players and he's added 35m worth of annual expenses with big wages so we can obtain a higher caliber of player.

Rome wasn't built in a day. A little more realism, a little less defeatism. We'll be alright, pal.

Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 06:19:26 PM
Why cant you tool somebody more than once per day :(

Oooh please don't tool me haha
Grow up
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 11, 2017, 06:20:32 PM
I fucking despair at times at some of the stuff on here about net spend. What's the obsession with it? If we was considerably stronger with a negative spend I'd be over the moon, yet people like this @Defeatist (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621) chap would be calling moshiri a fraud.

Also, why do people fixated on net spend not take salary into consideration.

Before mosh came we did not have a player on over 100k per week. We've probably got 5 or 6 there now with new signings to come. Thats an extra 20-30 mil off the bat too. We've spent a lot on the under 23's, invested in the future, secured better sponshorship, sponshorship for the training ground, made massive leaps towards a stadium which should be ready in under 5 years.
 ???
What more do people want?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 11, 2017, 06:28:38 PM
Not in the slightest

For one, he has nowhere near the levels of money for us to be spending top 6 levels
Secondly, he has potentially sorted us a ground out so going forward we should be able to compete.
Thridly he helped to clear the debt
Finally we already seem set up as a business far better
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 06:30:29 PM
I fucking despair at times at some of the stuff on here about net spend. What's the obsession with it? If we was considerably stronger with a negative spend I'd be over the moon, yet people like this @Defeatist (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621) chap would be calling moshiri a fraud.

Also, why do people fixated on net spend not take salary into consideration.

Before mosh came we did not have a player on over 100k per week. We've probably got 5 or 6 there now with new signings to come. Thats an extra 20-30 mil off the bat too. We've spent a lot on the under 23's, invested in the future, secured better sponshorship, sponshorship for the training ground, made massive leaps towards a stadium which should be ready in under 5 years.
 ???
What more do people want?

You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
Also the squad isn't any stronger than last year so that debate is for another day
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Escla on August 11, 2017, 06:32:52 PM
I mean seriously what did you want?
He's a wum, wants to wind you/us up, that's all.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 11, 2017, 06:33:52 PM
You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
Also the squad isn't any stronger than last year so that debate is for another day


You did mention net spend, or do you actually think we've only spent 7 mil in total this summer? Come on chap, don't mug yourself off by acting dumb when you blatantly was on about net spend

I never said it's stronger, I was being hypothetical. But I am confident it will be stronger by September 1st and we get them extra 3 players in
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bally on August 11, 2017, 06:34:24 PM
are you taking the piss....
Plainly... Yes
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Escla on August 11, 2017, 06:34:56 PM
So when he came in you were expecting a summer transfer window where we spent 7m?

Well I certainly didn't expect an announcement on a new stadium designed by one of the worlds most renowned stadium architects to be announced within the first year soft lad
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 11, 2017, 06:35:01 PM
So when he came in you were expecting a summer transfer window where we spent 7m?

Surely you're referring to net spend here or you're a bit of an idiot.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Ramjam on August 11, 2017, 06:35:28 PM
You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
Also the squad isn't any stronger than last year so that debate is for another day

But you must admit that the club is on a much stronger footing and more stable than at any other time in the past 30 years
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Ross on August 11, 2017, 06:36:15 PM
I fucking despair at times at some of the stuff on here about net spend. What's the obsession with it? If we was considerably stronger with a negative spend I'd be over the moon, yet people like this @Defeatist (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621) chap would be calling moshiri a fraud.

Also, why do people fixated on net spend not take salary into consideration.

Before mosh came we did not have a player on over 100k per week. We've probably got 5 or 6 there now with new signings to come. Thats an extra 20-30 mil off the bat too. We've spent a lot on the under 23's, invested in the future, secured better sponshorship, sponshorship for the training ground, made massive leaps towards a stadium which should be ready in under 5 years.
 ???
What more do people want?

Didn't Koeman complain about our net spend last Sunday?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: pjk on August 11, 2017, 06:36:24 PM
Really?
Because I'm pretty sure when they contacted the owners of the land where the ground is going to be built they couldn't say we don't have any money but we've got increased professionalism & know how



So Moshiri has made a difference then. As we had the money, to arrange to purchase the land?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Escla on August 11, 2017, 06:36:54 PM
Please.go to GOT . Or even better RAWK.....FFS.

He wouldn't last five minutes on GOT, that's why he's here.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 11, 2017, 06:38:35 PM
Didn't Koeman complain about our net spend last Sunday?

I'd say not so much moan rather than point out that we've not been the big spenders we've been presented as. Not many teams who make over 100 mil in player sales are going to have a massive net spend, that's including the likes of barca, real, etc
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Robioto on August 11, 2017, 06:40:43 PM
This club has made more progress off the field in the last 18 months than the last 10+ years. I do expect the net spend on players to be around 100m by the end of the window which was a pipe dream 2 years ago. I didn't ever expect us to go mental like Man City and Chelsea as he has not got as much money as thier owners. The positves by far out weigh the negatives, in fact I don't believe there are any neagtives:

+ Got rid of our previous shite manager and brought in a better one who has steadied the ship and got us back into Europe
+ Employed a proven Director of Football in Steve Walsh
+ Allowed us to spend more money on players and wages and cleared our debt
+ Finally sealed us a new stadium on the Mersey
+ Sorted out our sponsership deals, USM, Sport Pesa, etc
+ Invested heavily in youth and the U23 setup
+ Done Goodison up
+ Invested healvily in the scouting network, we now have over 200 scouts instead of 10-12

We are on the up, we need to be patient, huge progress has been made already. Anybody who thought Moshiri was going to come in and spank huge amounts of money on players like Man City and Chelsea you are delusional.

I'm very happy with where we've come in 18 months, the future is bright, but people thinking it was going to bring success overnight need their heads seeing to. We were and still are a long way behind the 6 clubs that finished above us last season, it will take a while to catch back up.

Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Escla on August 11, 2017, 06:41:28 PM
Fair enough. Some valid points there although I don't think the ground is going to cost Moshiri any of his own money? Could be wrong

Why the fuck would he do it with his own money, who does ? He has enabled the funding of the project, something we could never have done without him or similar investor.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Polledreng on August 11, 2017, 06:44:55 PM
You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
Also the squad isn't any stronger than last year so that debate is for another day


So when he came in you were expecting a summer transfer window where we spent 7m?

 well seems to me you are a wum  No one can be as stupid
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Escla on August 11, 2017, 06:46:26 PM
You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
Also the squad isn't any stronger than last year so that debate is for another day

Such a clever wum this cretin, takes you to the brink with his pointless negative attacks on the club then once in a while pulls it back slightly in order to try and persuade you he's an Evertonian, bet he knows what every window on Anfield road tastes like.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 11, 2017, 06:48:30 PM
If I was 'Defeatist' I would be laughing my socks off at the predictability of this forum. He pulls a string and everyone jumps!!!
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump

You've got to love football forums haven't you?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: blue slug on August 11, 2017, 06:53:13 PM
Fuck me i'm bored with this obsession with net spending, get a grip
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 06:55:24 PM
I fucking despair at times at some of the stuff on here about net spend. What's the obsession with it? If we was considerably stronger with a negative spend I'd be over the moon, yet people like this @Defeatist (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621) chap would be calling moshiri a fraud.

Also, why do people fixated on net spend not take salary into consideration.

Before mosh came we did not have a player on over 100k per week. We've probably got 5 or 6 there now with new signings to come. Thats an extra 20-30 mil off the bat too. We've spent a lot on the under 23's, invested in the future, secured better sponshorship, sponshorship for the training ground, made massive leaps towards a stadium which should be ready in under 5 years.
 ???
What more do people want?

Someone posted an excellent insider article from someone who deals with transfers (was a lawyer I think). It was made very clear that 'net spend' is a media creation and not something considered by clubs making deals. Value of deals is spread out over the course of contracts (made clear in each years financial statements, amortisation of player contracts) so the idea 'we've only spent 7m' is a non-starter.

Interesting that the OP seems to have no awareness of the substantial improvements in commercial contracts (shirt sponsor, training ground sponsor, tyre partner amongst others) and a marked lack of understanding of how big business finance works - so having no debts and much better commercial contracts, along with the ability to substantially increase our wage bill, along with the very presence of a billionaire's money and business connections, is the central reason why our daydreams of new grounds that never happen have turned into a moving plan to build a great stadium in the best possible location. The ground has to pay for itself (this is true of all clubs backed by the super rich) but now the council and banks are willing to provide the finance for this because we are no longer living beyond our means and struggling to service our debts.

Shame to OP hasn't learnt from previous experience with starting these sort of threads - which does increase the likelihood that this is trolling. Telling others what they are allowed to talk about suggests he thinks that 'creation' means 'ownership'. Which is more deluded than some of his views..
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 06:58:52 PM
You've raised some valid points there mate, I haven't mentioned net spend once.
So when he came in you were expecting a summer transfer window where we spent 7m?

So what's the 7m we've spent then? As you are presumably not blind, you know we've spend 25m on Keane. Claiming you haven't mentioned net spend when you've quoted 7m is idiotmatic. Or trolling. You choose.  ;)
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2017, 06:59:50 PM
Really?
Because I'm pretty sure when they contacted the owners of the land where the ground is going to be built they couldn't say we don't have any money but we've got increased professionalism & know how

We bought the land. I mean he's organised the ground move. That counts for something. You only seem to want to give credit of it if he pays a few hundred million out of his own pockets too

We are a better business because of him. You only want to hand credit for how much money he's thrown at it
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
Plainly... Yes

Bob may be the ideal candidate to test out the sarcastic font? Can you change his default font?  ;D
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:02:38 PM
Didn't Koeman complain about our net spend last Sunday?

He was deflecting the media who were pressing him to make silly claims based on all the money spent. He also mentioned 95m for Lukaku which isn't all due until the addons kick in, seems likely he was just playing with the irritating questions.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:03:26 PM
I'd say not so much moan rather than point out that we've not been the big spenders we've been presented as. Not many teams who make over 100 mil in player sales are going to have a massive net spend, that's including the likes of barca, real, etc

Barca fans must be spewing at their net spend this summer.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:06:01 PM
If I was 'Defeatist' I would be laughing my socks off at the predictability of this forum. He pulls a string and everyone jumps!!!
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump

You've got to love football forums haven't you?

(https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/2/005/078/212/3c36c7f.jpg)
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:07:46 PM
You did mention net spend, or do you actually think we've only spent 7 mil in total this summer? Come on chap, don't mug yourself off by acting dumb when you blatantly was on about net spend

I never said it's stronger, I was being hypothetical. But I am confident it will be stronger by September 1st and we get them extra 3 players in

I meant I never mentioned net spend being lower or higher or whatever
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2017, 07:12:48 PM
If I was 'Defeatist' I would be laughing my socks off at the predictability of this forum. He pulls a string and everyone jumps!!!
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump
Then we all moan and say its a wind up.
Then he pulls another string and we all jump

You've got to love football forums haven't you?


Think you're giving him way too much credit. Surely the idea is he parodys an Everton fan. He convinces us he's 1 of us all be it a slightly odd 1. He catches the other odd uns when they agree with him. Think every single person on here knows he's a Liverpool fan and the only reason people get annoyed because he's genuinely annoying as a person rather than his act. He's flogging a dead horse now. Be better off admitting he's a Liverpool fan and mocking us from that standpoint
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 11, 2017, 07:17:56 PM
To spend more than we brought in.
 I don't believe anyone who says they thought when Moshiri rolled up that we'd still have to sell to buy

We don't and we didn't.

Next question.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:19:28 PM
Think you're giving him way too much credit. Surely the idea is he parodys an Everton fan. He convinces us he's 1 of us all be it a slightly odd 1. He catches the other odd uns when they agree with him. Think every single person on here knows he's a Liverpool fan and the only reason people get annoyed because he's genuinely annoying as a person rather than his act. He's flogging a dead horse now. Be better off admitting he's a Liverpool fan and mocking us from that standpoint

He's flogging a pile of dust that used to be a pile of bones that was previously a dead horse. Making some people sneeze.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: gizzblue on August 11, 2017, 07:20:38 PM
Ffs yet another fooking bleak out look .....

He's been in less than twelve months ,we have no debt, have a considerable better squad man for man ....aside lukaku (but the window ain't shut and we're after a striker) ...so it's another wait till the season is ten games in the moan your ass off if you want but your well premature.

Is it always a problem to you ??.😅
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Fynci on August 11, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
Can't the mods just ban this clown, I am all for hearing opinions that don't match my own but if everybody says a colour is black this guy will say that it is white. He adds zero to this forum.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
Change the thread title to "Be honest, did you expect more from Defeatist?"
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:31:56 PM
He wouldn't last five minutes on GOT, that's why he's here.

What's GOT & RAWK?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: everton1952 on August 11, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
It is a bit sad though really. He can't be a happy individual.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bluedylan on August 11, 2017, 07:36:09 PM
What's GOT & RAWK?

He didn't mention RAWK. Also, any Everton fan who uses the internet knows of RAWK.

Devoed about little Cuntinho?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:37:14 PM
Someone posted an excellent insider article from someone who deals with transfers (was a lawyer I think). It was made very clear that 'net spend' is a media creation and not something considered by clubs making deals. Value of deals is spread out over the course of contracts (made clear in each years financial statements, amortisation of player contracts) so the idea 'we've only spent 7m' is a non-starter.

Interesting that the OP seems to have no awareness of the substantial improvements in commercial contracts (shirt sponsor, training ground sponsor, tyre partner amongst others) and a marked lack of understanding of how big business finance works - so having no debts and much better commercial contracts, along with the ability to substantially increase our wage bill, along with the very presence of a billionaire's money and business connections, is the central reason why our daydreams of new grounds that never happen have turned into a moving plan to build a great stadium in the best possible location. The ground has to pay for itself (this is true of all clubs backed by the super rich) but now the council and banks are willing to provide the finance for this because we are no longer living beyond our means and struggling to service our debts.

Shame to OP hasn't learnt from previous experience with starting these sort of threads - which does increase the likelihood that this is trolling. Telling others what they are allowed to talk about suggests he thinks that 'creation' means 'ownership'. Which is more deluded than some of his views..

Can you point out where I told others what they were allowed to talk about?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Toddacelli on August 11, 2017, 07:37:15 PM
Think he's done fantastically. We got the manager we wanted, organised a ground move, u23s seem to have a massive budget now. Offered 100k plus week contracts to players.
I'm not sure what people wanted. What's the issue with Sigurdsson and moshiri. Did people think now we had more money we'd just rain down 20s on Swansea with zero negotiation or concept of value

This.

Far exceeded my expectations.

Sorted the debt out and the new stadium is on its way. Deserves to be lauded just for that. Was expecting things to rumble on for another few years to be honest but he's putting us right into contention for the future.

Not only that but the club appears to be run a lot better since he came on board. Is it all down to him? I don;t know but leadership counts for a lot and as far as I can tell we started acting like a big club again when he came on board so he must be doing something right.


And as for using his own money - FUCK OFF!
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:38:07 PM
Why the fuck would he do it with his own money, who does ? He has enabled the funding of the project, something we could never have done without him or similar investor.

Stop swearing it screams low intelligence mate
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: goodtouchforabigman on August 11, 2017, 07:39:57 PM
Ffs yet another fooking bleak out look .....

He's been in less than twelve months ,we have no debt, have a considerable better squad man for man ....aside lukaku (but the window ain't shut and we're after a striker) ...so it's another wait till the season is ten games in the moan your ass off if you want but your well premature.

Is it always a problem to you ??.😅
I agree mate, I think it's a very exciting time to be an Everton fan but I, like most fans, have an ingrained sense of caution but do think there is definite cause of optimism.

As most sensible people have posted we were never going to be able to compete with the CL clubs when signing players due to the fact we're not in the CL and that caliber of player will be looking at higher profile teams than us, as the last transfer window testifies.

If we are about to spend 50mil on Sigurdson and more money on a striker and CB/LB then it's reasonable to assume we would have the funds to bid 150mil on Naymar but for obvious reasons we didn't as we would have been laughed at.

We have to be realistic, until we can break into the CL, increase our profile and win a trophy or we will not be bale to compete with Utd, Chelsea etc for the top names, just as Liverpool can't!

The other big issue is FFP, we can only spend a certain proportion of our income on player sales so to a certain extent we may have to sell to buy but not to raise the money more to cover FFP, unless we can massively increase our revenue through dodgy sponsorship deals.

We've also got over 2 weeks of the transfer window to increase our net spend, but looking at net spend in one window is meaningless, this needs to be judged over a number of years in the context of FFP.

So I reckon it's still way to early to judge Moshiri but the early signs look good!!
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bally on August 11, 2017, 07:40:55 PM
Can't the mods just ban this clown, I am all for hearing opinions that don't match my own but if everybody says a colour is black this guy will say that it is white. He adds zero to this forum.
Please don't ask for people to be banned, let's us mods do our jobs, they're only essentially asking questions, if you don't agree then take the piss like everyone else does, they will either fuck off or stay in the end, people like this one normally flounce off after a while or they realise that this isn't the most negative place to be and we tend to be more upbeat than other EFC forums so they align or get bored and fuck off.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:41:02 PM
Think you're giving him way too much credit. Surely the idea is he parodys an Everton fan. He convinces us he's 1 of us all be it a slightly odd 1. He catches the other odd uns when they agree with him. Think every single person on here knows he's a Liverpool fan and the only reason people get annoyed because he's genuinely annoying as a person rather than his act. He's flogging a dead horse now. Be better off admitting he's a Liverpool fan and mocking us from that standpoint

Brilliant essay but quite boring but I'll say it again I'm an Everton fan
As for being an annoying person you don't know me. Therefore you're wrong
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:41:58 PM
Can you point out where I told others what they were allowed to talk about?

Sure. You told Bob twice, at the start of this thread.

You really have got a short memory?  :Horse:
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bally on August 11, 2017, 07:42:46 PM
Stop swearing it screams low intelligence mate
It really doesn't, and has been proven to show higher intelligence, also helps with pain relief and stress relief, searing is fucking boss too.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:42:52 PM
Can't the mods just ban this clown, I am all for hearing opinions that don't match my own but if everybody says a colour is black this guy will say that it is white. He adds zero to this forum.

No you're not, when an opinion doesn't match yours you're up in arms
Why should I be banned? For having an opinion?
Grow up son, you'll be a man one day
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:43:13 PM
Stop swearing it screams low intelligence mate

haha now's he repeating his low intelligence slur from his previous thread..
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:44:09 PM
It is a bit sad though really. He can't be a happy individual.

I'm extremely happy, I have a terrific life, better than most of you no doubt
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bally on August 11, 2017, 07:44:25 PM
No you're not, when an opinion doesn't match yours you're up in arms
Why should I be banned? For having an opinion?
Grow up son, you'll be a man one day
Again leaves this shit to the mods... Thanks.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:44:59 PM
He didn't mention RAWK. Also, any Everton fan who uses the internet knows of RAWK.

Devoed about little Cuntinho?

Someone mentioned it before, also the latter statement is false
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 11, 2017, 07:45:13 PM
Stop swearing it screams low intelligence mate

No, it fucking doesn't. :)

It's just one of those comforting lies people who want to have simple answers to complicated questions like to tell themselves.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-swearing-a-sign-of-a-limited-vocabulary/
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Robber Rodwell on August 11, 2017, 07:46:05 PM
What's GOT & RAWK?

Other forums you would be interested in haunting and they would also love your positive vibes.  It's also not to late to join them before you head back to school in September. 

Now you can leave the basement for a few minutes and ask your Nan for some beans on toast since your mission is completed for the day.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:48:15 PM
Please don't ask for people to be banned, let's us mods do our jobs, they're only essentially asking questions, if you don't agree then take the piss like everyone else does, they will either fuck off or stay in the end, people like this one normally flounce off after a while or they realise that this isn't the most negative place to be and we tend to be more upbeat than other EFC forums so they align or get bored and fuck off.

Unlucky mate, why don't you tool me instead haha
Bally I'm pretty sure I'm not offending anyone here, I'll not change my opinions to align with the rest of the forum, I think half of these on here live in a fantasy world
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 07:48:20 PM
No need to lock the thread or ban anyone, this is more entertaining than the same looping discussion about the value of Gylfi.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 11, 2017, 07:48:54 PM
I meant I never mentioned net spend being lower or higher or whatever

Hahahahahahaha unbelievable. Move the goalposts when you've been caught out and it still makes no sense.

You had a go at the fact we've only spent 7 mil, net spend. Which I think is clear you're not happy about it because it's too low.


Or is it that you're unhappy that it's too much? Who knows, really
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:51:27 PM
No, it fucking doesn't. :)

It's just one of those comforting lies people who want to have simple answers to complicated questions like to tell themselves.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-swearing-a-sign-of-a-limited-vocabulary/

That article is nonsense, it blatantly shows a restricted vocabulary
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 07:52:46 PM
Hahahahahahaha unbelievable. Move the goalposts when you've been caught out and it still makes no sense.

You had a go at the fact we've only spent 7 mil, net spend. Which I think is clear you're not happy about it because it's too low.


Or is it that you're unhappy that it's too much? Who knows, really

What I'm trying to say is if the squad was better than last year I wouldn't mention net spend. It isn't so now I'm saying we haven't spent enough
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 11, 2017, 07:56:13 PM
That article is nonsense, it blatantly shows a restricted vocabulary

Ah, the apotheosis of imbecility.

Just keep repeating that to yourself if that makes you feel any better, you cockwomble. :)
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bally on August 11, 2017, 07:56:19 PM
Unlucky mate, why don't you tool me instead haha
Bally I'm pretty sure I'm not offending anyone here, I'll not change my opinions to align with the rest of the forum, I think half of these on here live in a fantasy world
No one said anything about changing opinions, I was alluding to the way the forum is used, varying opinions is key, but when the vast majority disagree with said opinions then there will be a varied and reasoned discussion, what happens with your "approach" is, you come across as confrontational and therefore a WUM, people feel you're purposely then trying to wind the up, so when the majority rule is to get your point across in a reasoned manner and one does not do so then that one sticks out and is outcast, so that one either stays on the same line and stays as an outcast or aligns with the majority and keeps their opinions but gets them across in a different manner, if they choose the former they either fuck off or get banned for something else, not one person has ever been banned from here because of their opinion, they have been banned for being WUM's and cunts though.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 11, 2017, 07:57:52 PM
What I'm trying to say is if the squad was better than last year I wouldn't mention net spend. It isn't so now I'm saying we haven't spent enough

So what you're saying is we should wait until the end of the transfer window and judge the squad and what we spent on it then?

Good, glad we agree on something
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 08:05:05 PM
No one said anything about changing opinions, I was alluding to the way the forum is used, varying opinions is key, but when the vast majority disagree with said opinions then there will be a varied and reasoned discussion, what happens with your "approach" is, you come across as confrontational and therefore a WUM, people feel you're purposely then trying to wind the up, so when the majority rule is to get your point across in a reasoned manner and one does not do so then that one sticks out and is outcast, so that one either stays on the same line and stays as an outcast or aligns with the majority and keeps their opinions but gets them across in a different manner, if they choose the former they either fuck off or get banned for something else, not one person has ever been banned from here because of their opinion, they have been banned for being WUM's and cunts though.

To be honest mate I haven't come across confrontational at all, unless I'm being attacked. So what are you saying? I could be banned for being a "wum" for posting a thread like this?
And it's not a "varied and reasoned" discussion about difference of opinion @ all
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 08:05:59 PM
Ah, the apotheosis of imbecility.

Just keep repeating that to yourself if that makes you feel any better, you cockwomble. :)

I don't need to repeat it you idiot, I've just stated it, that's enough for me
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Major Clanger on August 11, 2017, 08:11:46 PM
I don't need to repeat it you idiot, I've just stated it, that's enough for me

Ah, but is it enough to keep your belief strong?

Doth not doubt creep into your very heart in the deepest of sleepless nights that perchance your world of certainties is naught but dancing shadows on the wall of a cave, projected by the lone campfire of a wandering madman who had run away from his riches, driven insane by the very same doubt that is gripping you?

So keep repeating it o brother, thou canst ne'er be certain enough.

Or just fuck off. :)
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bally on August 11, 2017, 08:13:17 PM
To be honest mate I haven't come across confrontational at all, unless I'm being attacked. So what are you saying? I could be banned for being a "wum" for posting a thread like this?
And it's not a "varied and reasoned" discussion about difference of opinion @ all
That's why I " " approach

You will never be banned for opinion based threads unless they're blatant WUM stuff but mods will tell you when this is, you'll get a nice little PM of one of us and will be asked to not do it if you have not had a PM then what you receive in threads is disagreement.

What is happening is what happens when we get a very negative poster... Enjoy the ride
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 08:14:24 PM
Ah, but is it enough to keep your belief strong?

Doth not doubt creep into your very heart in the deepest of sleepless nights that perchance your world of certainties is naught but dancing shadows on the wall of a cave, projected by the lone campfire of a wandering madman who had run away from his riches, driven insane by the very same doubt that is gripping you?

So keep repeating it o brother, thou canst ne'er be certain enough.

Or just fuck off. :)

Absolutely brilliant, your creativity is wasted on here
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: pjk on August 11, 2017, 08:15:09 PM
To be honest mate I haven't come across confrontational at all, unless I'm being attacked. So what are you saying? I could be banned for being a "wum" for posting a thread like this?



He's trying to be nice to you mate. He's probably got better things to do with his time than try defending you. But he is. No point in rearing up on him too. I can't think of any nasty people on this site. Perhaps you should calm down, and have a cup of tea or something.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 08:15:54 PM
That's why I " " approach

You will never be banned for opinion based threads unless they're blatant WUM stuff but mods will tell you when this is, you'll get a nice little PM of one of us and will be asked to not do it if you have not had a PM then what you receive in threads is disagreement.

What is happening is what happens when we get a very negative poster... Enjoy the ride

Ok thanks
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 11, 2017, 08:16:44 PM
Do not.......under any circumstances.......feed the troll..........


Too late.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 11, 2017, 08:18:18 PM


He's trying to be nice to you mate. He's probably got better things to do with his time than try defending you. But he is. No point in rearing up on him too. I can't think of any nasty people on this site. Perhaps you should calm down, and have a cup of tea or something.

I'm as calm as they come, I would never allow an Internet forum to dictate my emotions.
But thanks anyway
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Buck76 on August 11, 2017, 08:19:58 PM
Didn't Koeman complain about our net spend last Sunday?

Wasn't a complaint it's a response to the 100m question, we've been drastically turning over our squad without a significant net spend in fee's so far. He's defending the need for 3 additional first team players this window whilst still being with budget.

It's just a shame all our early business didn't continue when replacing Lukaku & Barkley cause if we could put those two players back into our squad we'd all be waxing lyrical about the season ahead.


Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: SteB on August 11, 2017, 08:23:56 PM
This season his money was only ever going to make us a bit better, if you thought we would be transformed into a title winning side then you were incredibly naive in your thinking.

We brought in a talented and experienced new manager; we sold Lukaku which was inevitable but then used that and other money to strengthen the squad in many other areas. The spending and recruitment hasn't finished yet so it would be wrong to judge him or the manager until we've seen how that spending translates on the pitch.

He has instigated the likelihood of a prestigious new stadium on the waterfront and spoken of a long term plan to build a genuine and long lasting success for the club.

But for me, the greatest thing he's done for us is to give us back our belief. He's brought an undeniable optimism back to the club and raised our expectations to the point that God forbid, they might be founded on something real. And for me, he's done that in a pragmatic, sincere and realistic manner.

Obviously it won't happen though 'cos this year is Liverpool's year isn't it.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Cozzie on August 11, 2017, 08:26:17 PM
Better than when Kenwright and co where at the helm borrowing 5M a year.

FFP nowadays dictates that you can't have cash splurges like when Man City and Chelsea got bought out where owners just plough money in.

He is a former Deloitte accountant and knows what he is doing with finances.

These days to be successful in modern football you need to run your club like a business, which I feel gradually he is doing.

We seem to be a lot more efficient than we where in the past which is an improvement in itself.

People get too caught up on net spend, if we are in any way successful in the future I couldn't give a million fucks what our net spend is.

A new ground is on the horizon, we seem to be investing in a real infrastructure with the investment into the under 23 squad.

He is and never was gonna give us the world, but he has improved us dramatically and I feel in all honesty its only upwards from here.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2017, 08:28:39 PM
Brilliant essay but quite boring but I'll say it again I'm an Everton fan
As for being an annoying person you don't know me. Therefore you're wrong

It's okay not to be. It's even okay, for me, you being a Liverpool fan on here. This parody nonsense is just plain daft though. It only works if someone actually believes it. It only works if people agree with your opinions
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bingham Boy on August 11, 2017, 08:40:59 PM
I'm sure it's been mentioned but there's a difference between expect, want and hope.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 11, 2017, 08:54:46 PM
Can't be arsed trawling through the whole thread. Not sure if it has been mentioned though, Moshiri is an asset himself to the club. He brought in Koeman and Koeman has brought in players that want to play for him, with no Moshiri there would be no Koeman and certainly not the players we have had the last 12 months.
More importantly the club is moving slowly towards the next level, once Everton have moved to the new ground, the big money will starting coming through, sponsorships, corporate/business events. Together with Moshiri most probably bringing on board other billionaires we will be with the elite in a few years. So everything has changed and for the better!
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 11, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
Can't be arsed trawling through the whole thread. Not sure if it has been mentioned though, Moshiri is an asset himself to the club. He brought in Koeman and Koeman has brought in players that want to play for him, with him there would be no Koeman and certainly not the players we have had the last 12 months.
More importantly the club is moving slowly towards the next level, once Everton have moved to the new ground, the big money will starting coming through, sponsorships, corporate/business events. Together with Moshiri most probably bringing on board other billionaires we will be with the elite in a few years. So everything has changed and for the better!


That's my take he's done much more than just adding his own finances. Everything about the club has improved.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 11, 2017, 09:03:44 PM

That's my take he's done much more than just adding his own finances. Everything about the club has improved.

Apart from the badge and the beer
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: TheTone on August 11, 2017, 09:12:41 PM
Won't be happy until he buys Siggy, VVD, Keita ,Aubameyang and Aguero before the end of the window
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 09:14:56 PM
That article is nonsense, it blatantly shows a restricted vocabulary

Surely you're joking, Mr Feynman.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 09:18:26 PM
I don't need to repeat it you idiot, I've just stated it, that's enough for me

Of all the people to accuse of a lack of intelligence, you pick MC.  :titanic:
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 09:24:01 PM
Won't be happy until he buys Siggy, VVD, Keita ,Aubameyang and Aguero before the end of the window

Where's your ambition? Ronaldo is reportedly not too happy with Spain, and Barca are clearly now a selling club, so we can get Messi too.

We should also lodge a bid for Coutinho, and then put him with the U23s to wind up the kopites.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: American Evertonian on August 11, 2017, 09:24:13 PM
Apart from the badge and the beer

Well in his defense the badge change wasn't under his watch
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Lxxx on August 11, 2017, 09:37:13 PM
This is a perfect example of this generation. They want it all and they want it now. Rational thought is seemingly a lost virtue and you see it everywhere in all aspects of society.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 11, 2017, 09:40:21 PM
This is a perfect example of this generation. They want it all and they want it now. Rational thought is seemingly a lost virtue and you see it everywhere in all aspects of society.

(http://i.imgur.com/9rYVxqH.jpg)
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 11, 2017, 09:51:56 PM
Well in his defense the badge change wasn't under his watch
I know mate, and he hasn't changed it yet !!
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Cassius on August 11, 2017, 09:54:51 PM
I don't know what you were expecting from Moshiri or in fact, where we're falling short.

Moshiri can be judged in terms of what's changed at the club since he came in:

- Better commercial deals
- New ground underway with land purchased and the world's foremost stadium architect on the project
- Got rid of the old manager and brought in a new manager who has stabilised the team, got us into Europe and upgraded the squad
- Backed the manager with transfer funds and allowed him to do it his way (and at the beginning of the window) without getting involved like the gang of sharks at West Ham or Blackburn or whatever
- Upgraded the ground and its facilities
- Launched us a new kit before we'd purchased our first player, in time for fans to wear it on the streets of Zante
- Recruited a director of football and given him a budget to overhaul the way that we scout and recruit players
- Opening up salaries to reward and attract a higher Klassen of player

I wasn't 100% sure what to expect from Moshiri, but to achieve the above in 18 months, I'd say he's exceeded my expectations.

If you have a problem with selling to buy, or net spend, or whatever it is, you should judge this at the end of the window. It's also not for any of us to know what bids have gone in for players and been rejected. For all we know, we've made 200m worth of bids for players this summer that haven't come off. I believe that the money is there should the right player become available.

The one thing that gives me confidence that he's willing to spend money without worrying about a return is that we bid 30m for Sissoko last summer. That's literally like pissing away money for the kicks.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Brownie on August 11, 2017, 10:04:28 PM
Stop swearing it screams low intelligence mate

No it doesn't. People swear for many different reasons. Passion, feeling comfortable around certain people, because they like the words. Low intelligence is just one of the reasons.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Tinga on August 11, 2017, 10:08:29 PM
(http://drowningworms.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1364926607_catching_bass_with_hand.gif)
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Corinthian on August 11, 2017, 10:50:44 PM
I'm keeping stum until the window closes

This!
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Sir Stealth on August 11, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
I think it's been about what I expected, maybe a bit higher than I expected due to the stadium being sorted as well

Isn't he only about the 13th richest of the premier league club owners anyway?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Lxxx on August 11, 2017, 11:42:20 PM
If I had his money I wouldn't throw it at football players either. Neither would any of the people on here who are complaining blow their own money either. We're not a charity and he isn't a philanthropist.

He'll put money in where he sees it can benefit his investment, not piss it up the wall buying overpriced players and paying them silly money.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: 74Blue on August 11, 2017, 11:46:12 PM
The man is a billionaire, but he's not one who is just going to throw his money around like it's going out of fashion.
In the time that he's been at the club, I think that it's clear to see that there have been changes, but the club appears to have retained the most important element, doing things in a classy manner.
We are in a transitional period at the moment. The sleeping giant is slowly waking.
Let's give the man a chance to deliver the new stadium. Let's give the man a chance to get the club running as a proper business. Let's just wait and see whether he puts his money where his mouth is when we're properly in a position to seriously ruffle the feathers of the big boys and in a position where we can offer potential signings the competition that they crave - Champions League.
We can do it the right way, but we have to give him time.
COYB!
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on August 11, 2017, 11:59:05 PM
To be honest the market is completely and utterly inflated to the point where it is ridiculous . Figures for Mbap and Dembele being quoted just make my eyes bleed . Hope we just keep it as realistic as possible until we have the ground in place and a couple of seasons in Europe otherwise it could all go pear shaped . U23 investment at good sound prices is a major plus for Moshiri and the club .
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on August 12, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
The man is a billionaire, but he's not one who is just going to throw his money around like it's going out of fashion.
In the time that he's been at the club, I think that it's clear to see that there have been changes, but the club appears to have retained the most important element, doing things in a classy manner.
We are in a transitional period at the moment. The sleeping giant is slowly waking.
Let's give the man a chance to deliver the new stadium. Let's give the man a chance to get the club running as a proper business. Let's just wait and see whether he puts his money where his mouth is when we're properly in a position to seriously ruffle the feathers of the big boys and in a position where we can offer potential signings the competition that they crave - Champions League.
We can do it the right way, but we have to give him time.
COYB!

A billion on paper isn't a billion in your pocket .
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2017, 12:02:36 AM
He'll know it's nigh on impossible to compete against the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea and maybe Arsenal financially. Even the shite have more resources although their owners aren't too spend happy either.

There's no point going hell for leather, lending the club another few hundred million to blow on players only to maybe move one place up the table. This has to be a long term project and the real rewards will come from the incresed revenue from a new stadium and all that brings. Then we can maybe loosen the purse strings at a sustainable pace.

Are people really expecting the man to effectively gift the club 10-20% of his personal wealth? Really?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Macca77 on August 12, 2017, 12:08:20 AM
You do realise that the Defeatist is probably laughing his head off at the reaction to this thread, you all took the bait so only got yourselves to blame
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Goaljira on August 12, 2017, 12:12:28 AM
Surely if you really are an Evertonian you'd have learned long ago to expect nothing but a kick in the nuts, so those times when you dont get kciked in the nuts its a good day?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Mac934 on August 12, 2017, 12:21:58 AM
Why does it being his own money matter. The ground is due to our improved professionalism and know how
And probably his business accumen, giving us the right direction and process.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: bluenuck on August 12, 2017, 12:57:54 AM
I don't know what you were expecting from Moshiri or in fact, where we're falling short.

Moshiri can be judged in terms of what's changed at the club since he came in:

- Better commercial deals
- New ground underway with land purchased and the world's foremost stadium architect on the project
- Got rid of the old manager and brought in a new manager who has stabilised the team, got us into Europe and upgraded the squad
- Backed the manager with transfer funds and allowed him to do it his way (and at the beginning of the window) without getting involved like the gang of sharks at West Ham or Blackburn or whatever
- Upgraded the ground and its facilities
- Launched us a new kit before we'd purchased our first player, in time for fans to wear it on the streets of Zante
- Recruited a director of football and given him a budget to overhaul the way that we scout and recruit players
- Opening up salaries to reward and attract a higher Klassen of player

I wasn't 100% sure what to expect from Moshiri, but to achieve the above in 18 months, I'd say he's exceeded my expectations.

If you have a problem with selling to buy, or net spend, or whatever it is, you should judge this at the end of the window. It's also not for any of us to know what bids have gone in for players and been rejected. For all we know, we've made 200m worth of bids for players this summer that haven't come off. I believe that the money is there should the right player become available.

The one thing that gives me confidence that he's willing to spend money without worrying about a return is that we bid 30m for Sissoko last summer. That's literally like pissing away money for the kicks.

Thread over with this post.

He's done more in 18 friggin months then Bill did in 10 years.

It isn't 2002 where you can just buy a title contending squad in one summer. It's going to take 3 summers to make us even challenge for top 4, and last summer doesn't count.

Patience.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Thornton_19 on August 12, 2017, 01:03:44 AM
If you honestly want him to stop posting shite, don't respond to his threads. He will get bored and move on.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Escla on August 12, 2017, 01:25:51 AM
You are absolutely right, I am as guilty as anyone for responding to this wum , how can anyone be an Everton supporter when in his entire posting history he has had nothing but negative jibes at the club, not a single positive contribution, not a single opinion on tactics, team selection (probably couldn't name half the squad) I'm out, just hope he gets bored sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 12, 2017, 01:35:01 AM
You do realise that the Defeatist is probably laughing his head off at the reaction to this thread, you all took the bait so only got yourselves to blame


Not so sure anyone did. He said something daft hoping to get outlandish opinions and all he got was everyone stating the reasons why moshiri has been great for us so far

Like me going on RAWK and saying courtinho is worth 130m and everyone being normal and saying he's only worth 50 cos he's bang average half the time
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Morta75 on August 12, 2017, 03:01:16 AM
No
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 12, 2017, 03:34:53 AM
Great debate that, thanks for your participation guys, so the overwhelming opinion is that everybody is happy with Moshiri.
That's good and I'll be honest I've somewhat had my mind changed by some of the great points made during the thread
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Escla on August 12, 2017, 03:39:46 AM
But on topic, it's mid-August so can't really make an informed decision if he's a fraud or not. Not sure it's all about transfer fees tbh.

"FRAUD" ? I mean really, where the fuck does that come from ? :bonk:

I mean what sort of fraudulent behaviour has he displayed that would give you reason to withhold judgement ???
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 12, 2017, 03:53:33 AM
"FRAUD" ? I mean really, where the fuck does that come from ? :bonk:

I mean what sort of fraudulent behaviour has he displayed that would give you reason to withhold judgement ???

You taken a couple of alcohols mate?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Escla on August 12, 2017, 04:00:20 AM
You taken a couple of alcohols mate?

No, not at all but Who The fuck do you think he might possibly be defrauding with his own money ?



Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 12, 2017, 04:07:01 AM
No, not at all but Who The fuck do you think he might possibly be defrauding with his own money ?





I think the suggestion is he's defrauding us with his false promises though I'm not sure what anyone thinks he's promised and hasn't delivered

Honestly it's fantastic not to support an Everton that isn't a little bit inept. First time in a long while. The 100m the sun said we had to spend is absolutely secondary to what moshiri has actually done
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 12, 2017, 04:14:07 AM
Moshiri is everything but a fraud.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 12, 2017, 04:33:51 AM
@Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) where's that sarcasm button?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Lxxx on August 12, 2017, 05:04:25 AM
@Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) can we just ban the WUM? 
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: kramer0 on August 12, 2017, 05:12:18 AM
[If we're actually discussing this] Moshiri has:

- Given the club an interest-free loan to clear its debt
- Improved our commercial deals
- Made progress towards a new stadium
- [I don't have the actual numbers but this seems to be the case] Increased our spending on wages
- [To be determined based on results, obviously] Attempted to solidify 7th place with modest (net) spending on transfer fees

Maybe it isn't the most eye-catching approach but what he's doing is sound. An English club can't just buy its way into being Champions League regulars right now because it's too expensive (we've all seen what prices are like this summer and they're not coming down anytime soon) and there's too much competition (City, Chelsea, United, Liverpool, and Arsenal can all spend a ton if they want to). Establishing ourselves as the 7th best team in England and making ourselves a fixture in the later rounds of the Europa League is a sensible short-term strategy. Over time, we'll become a more attractive option for high-quality players and we'll be able to challenge for bigger things.

It's also worth considering the most likely alternative to Moshiri: Kenwright pumping whatever money he can scrounge up into a do-it-all manager. That approach worked fine when the manager was Moyes (good recruitment) but went to shit when it was Martinez (bad recruitment). Over time, that approach was probably going to make us a fixture in the lower half of the Premier League. Moshiri has, at the very least, pushed our floor up to the top half of the table, which is a comfortable spot to be in and a good place to build from.

He probably could have done better than Koeman and Walsh on the footballing side of things but it's still too early to judge these two properly and it's a minor gripe considering where we finished last season and where we're likely to finish this season. (Not to mention that it's a bit unrealistic to expect the board to nail every appointment.)

To put it all more simply: :thumbsup: for Moshiri. He's better than Kenwright and I don't see any new owners (or "major shareholders") in English football doing a markedly better job.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 12, 2017, 05:22:32 AM
@Bally (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=19) can we just ban the WUM?

I'd like you banned
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Tony Clifton on August 12, 2017, 06:14:00 AM
I'd like you banned

I'd like me banned. 

edit: I'm quite drunk.  Fuck off you deafeatisist.

Ban me now!  Twice!
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: BlueForYou on August 12, 2017, 03:13:04 PM
Work in progress, slow but sure - no complaints
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: blue1948 on August 12, 2017, 03:35:13 PM
[If we're actually discussing this] Moshiri has:

- Given the club an interest-free loan to clear its debt
- Improved our commercial deals
- Made progress towards a new stadium
- [I don't have the actual numbers but this seems to be the case] Increased our spending on wages
- [To be determined based on results, obviously] Attempted to solidify 7th place with modest (net) spending on transfer fees

Maybe it isn't the most eye-catching approach but what he's doing is sound. An English club can't just buy its way into being Champions League regulars right now because it's too expensive (we've all seen what prices are like this summer and they're not coming down anytime soon) and there's too much competition (City, Chelsea, United, Liverpool, and Arsenal can all spend a ton if they want to). Establishing ourselves as the 7th best team in England and making ourselves a fixture in the later rounds of the Europa League is a sensible short-term strategy. Over time, we'll become a more attractive option for high-quality players and we'll be able to challenge for bigger things.

It's also worth considering the most likely alternative to Moshiri: Kenwright pumping whatever money he can scrounge up into a do-it-all manager. That approach worked fine when the manager was Moyes (good recruitment) but went to shit when it was Martinez (bad recruitment). Over time, that approach was probably going to make us a fixture in the lower half of the Premier League. Moshiri has, at the very least, pushed our floor up to the top half of the table, which is a comfortable spot to be in and a good place to build from.

He probably could have done better than Koeman and Walsh on the footballing side of things but it's still too early to judge these two properly and it's a minor gripe considering where we finished last season and where we're likely to finish this season. (Not to mention that it's a bit unrealistic to expect the board to nail every appointment.)

To put it all more simply: :thumbsup: for Moshiri. He's better than Kenwright and I don't see any new owners (or "major shareholders") in English football doing a markedly better job.

You have missed the main point ,that we are not allowed to spend like the PSG's because of the 108% wage bill clause .The Mr Moshiri thing ,I think he is the perfect owner for us .He has increased the standing of the club ,the property values in the city centre,is planning to build a new stadium and the team is not suffering ,in fact the opposite in my opinion . I have no real idea what more he could do !
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 12, 2017, 04:09:39 PM
Some people get far too wound up by the OP, it's not so much of a daft question, you do actually hear some fans questioning the signings and the facts we are quibbling over 5m for Gylfi if we have all this money.

Getting the 100% go ahead with the stadium should put people straight.

My own opinion is that we ARE operating a new level since Moshiri has come along and he's delivered more than I could have hoped so far.
We're not going out spending hundreds of millions net spend (but very few clubs are), yes we have had to sell our best player (as do nearly all clubs).

The big difference is the perception and expectancy of us by other fans and the media. We are now expected to finish at least 7th, and possibly even push for top 5, some people even giving us a chance of top 4.
That's a big swing in opinion, we have always believed we could challenge, but most other people saw us as 'plucky little Everton'.

That's the big difference for me.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: fubarruk on August 12, 2017, 04:23:29 PM
No

Anyone expecting more than clearing the clubs debt, providing club with new stadium (will happen) a host of record signings  and sought after manager is frankly a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Silas on August 12, 2017, 04:26:03 PM
No i expected much less and I have been consistently surprised
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Realist on August 12, 2017, 05:56:56 PM
Some people get far too wound up by the OP, it's not so much of a daft question, you do actually hear some fans questioning the signings and the facts we are quibbling over 5m for Gylfi if we have all this money.

Getting the 100% go ahead with the stadium should put people straight.

My own opinion is that we ARE operating a new level since Moshiri has come along and he's delivered more than I could have hoped so far.
We're not going out spending hundreds of millions net spend (but very few clubs are), yes we have had to sell our best player (as do nearly all clubs).

The big difference is the perception and expectancy of us by other fans and the media. We are now expected to finish at least 7th, and possibly even push for top 5, some people even giving us a chance of top 4.
That's a big swing in opinion, we have always believed we could challenge, but most other people saw us as 'plucky little Everton'.

That's the big difference for me.
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: toffee_scot on August 12, 2017, 06:26:49 PM
I think we have done very well since Moshiri became the largest shareholder at Everton.

He is trying to think very much in the long term so some results might not be evident right now but he is creating a stronger base for us to compete at the very top end of the table especially financially. We are hearing a lot about new sponsorship deals coming into effect and while their values still pale in comparison to a team like Man Utd, we now find we've got muscle to attract players of a higher quality and able to do it within the parameters of Financial Fair Play.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on August 12, 2017, 06:28:57 PM
Don't think there's much more he could have done TBH and I think its easy to forget how prudent we had to be with coin not so long ago.  In around a year we've gone from "where's the Naismith money gone" to "shouldn't we spending 50mil on a striker not a midfielder" so I think there's been some progress like!

EDIT! saying that though the two seasons I've been most deflated going into a new season, we finished 4th (after the Ronney sale) and 5th with 72 points (martinez first season).  So I'm with deafeatist, Moshiri's a great big let down!
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Gary1878 on August 14, 2017, 11:19:59 PM
I think one thing that we have been great with this season has been the foresight in the transfer market. Behind the scenes, it seems like we had a good feel of the money that we were going to obtain for Rom, and spent it wisely and early before selling. This is a huge change in strategy from previous seasons. My two favourite signings so far are Pickford and Keane, who have looked every part 30m players.

The whole atmosphere has changed around the club, and he should take a lot of credit for taking a stagnating but historic footballing institution like Everton and trying to turn it into a modern, forward thinking, world class business. This won't be done overnight, but we can already see the benefits of having someone like Moshiri at the helm.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: D15TIN on August 15, 2017, 03:21:09 AM
Well so far
-he's sacked the awful Roberto Martinez
-convinced Ronald koeman to become our manager (no chance he'd have joined without the promise of more money available)
- cleared the debt,
-improved our brand, better corporate deals (sponsoring finch farm etc)
-looks like we'll be moving to a new state of the art stadium on the Liverpool waterfront
- broken our transfer record twice this summer and probably a third time once Sigurdsson signs.
-Bought the liver birds for a laugh

What more do we want so far?

I'd also make the point, we've missed the Chelsea/Man City days, no FFP in place etc could spend what they wanted, buy from who they wanted, theres more money about now
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Toddacelli on August 15, 2017, 05:52:54 AM
Well so far
-he's sacked the awful Roberto Martinez
-convinced Ronald koeman to become our manager (no chance he'd have joined without the promise of more money available)
- cleared the debt,
-improved our brand, better corporate deals (sponsoring finch farm etc)
-looks like we'll be moving to a new state of the art stadium on the Liverpool waterfront
- broken our transfer record twice this summer and probably a third time once Sigurdsson signs.
-Bought the liver birds for a laugh

What more do we want so far?

I'd also make the point, we've missed the Chelsea/Man City days, no FFP in place etc could spend what they wanted, buy from who they wanted, theres more money about now


Yeah forgot about that. Absolutely fucking class.

Troll levels:

Being a Negative Nelly -                                                                                    Troll Level: @Defeatist (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621)

Buying the Liver birds for a laugh and owning your rivals actual emblem -       Troll Level: God
that their club crest is a picture of
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: brap2 on August 15, 2017, 01:50:19 PM
Yeah I've been pleased with Moshiri so far to be honest. Said the right things and has backed the manager up to now.

I wouldn't say I expected more, but I did deep, deep down sort of dare to dream a little bit.

E.g VVD, Bats, Auba
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: van der Meyde on August 15, 2017, 02:42:03 PM
Not really.

Given financial constraints, I was never particularly expecting an oligarch-style takeover, so the spending is about what I'd expect.

The main roles he's filled - manager and Director of Football - have perhaps been more Premier League-focused than I'd have expected. When a Director of Football was first mooted, I thought it might indicate a couple of darlings of the analytics world filling those roles.

I might have expected slightly more progress on the commercial front too - more USM sponsorship, not tying ourselves down to a 5 year deal with SportPesa, etc.

Overall though, if he's done a good job of modernising the club and, if the stadium meets half the promises if it comes to fruition, I'll be happy enough.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 15, 2017, 03:09:37 PM
OK, if the OP wasn't trolling and was a genuine question to understand the current feeling of apathy that many are feeling, what about pushing this question into the future a little bit?

We are hamstrung to some extent with 2 sets of FFP rules (premier league & uefa). For all extents and purposes wages are more of an issue than transfer fees. (bore off with the 7m net spend - that's not how our accounts work).
But, you can basically blow apart the FFP rules once and just get landed with a fine (not even really a significant one, anywhere between 250k and a few million).

With that in mind, when would you "blow your load" if Moshiri is willing to put some of his own money on the table (above the interest free loan/stadium)?

The Jan of a manager that looks like he is outgoing
1st season of a new manager
2nd season of said manager
If/when we "break" the top 6
If/when we "break" top 4
If/when we get within touching distance of the league itself


The later you do it in that list the more chance of success you have. I'm pinning my hopes on Moshiri sitting in his offices, sweating, hand over a massive red button with "Spend" on it. With Noel Edmonds (taking time out from curing cancer with his mind) chattering in his ear about what the banker is saying.

As long as Koeman and the team look like thye may be able to inch forward whilst treading water financially then i'm ok with him holding off slamming that button.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Liam on August 16, 2017, 04:29:34 AM
Net spend has just gone up unless we got 45 million for Gareth Barry.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: blueToffee on August 16, 2017, 04:34:21 AM
Net spend has just gone up unless we got 45 million for Gareth Barry.

Likely minus 25-30 mil for Barkley. Plus the likes of McCarthy might push us closer to net neutral-ish again (just talking fees not wages).

It'll all depend on the striker as to where we end up on the net-spend-ometer.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Lxxx on August 16, 2017, 04:46:33 AM
If Drinkwater goes to Chelsea I can see a bid for McCarthy coming in. Reckon we'll take it too and throw the money on a striker, which still doesn't leave us exposed in central midfield with 5 for two places (Schneiderlin, Gueye, Klaassan, Davies and Besic).
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Escla on August 16, 2017, 05:01:19 AM
 :D
Net spend has just gone up unless we got 45 million for Gareth Barry.

Don't and never will understand this obsession with net spend, it means fuck all, of you sell a player for a shed load of money because they want to go and force a transfer no club should feel obliged to piss away more than the proceeds of that sale on shite players just to appease the braying mobs who are obsessed with a net spend amount.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 16, 2017, 05:43:31 AM
Net spend has just gone up unless we got 45 million for Gareth Barry.


Hahaha.

Must mean we're about to shift Barkley....
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: MrWhite on August 16, 2017, 02:55:35 PM
Net spend has just gone up unless we got 45 million for Gareth Barry.
Doesn't it have to be disclosed over 10m or something?
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 16, 2017, 03:05:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/897713570137468928
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Macca77 on August 16, 2017, 03:13:21 PM
https://twitter.com/Tony_Scott11/status/897713570137468928

35 million for a striker and 15 for a defender
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 16, 2017, 03:16:17 PM
35 million for a striker and 15 for a defender
Be nice that
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Liam on August 16, 2017, 05:06:13 PM
:D
Don't and never will understand this obsession with net spend, it means fuck all, of you sell a player for a shed load of money because they want to go and force a transfer no club should feel obliged to piss away more than the proceeds of that sale on shite players just to appease the braying mobs who are obsessed with a net spend amount.

yes 100% agreed my original post was tongue in cheek, maybe should have put a smiley face on it.
Title: Re: Be honest, did you expect more from Moshiri?
Post by: Lxxx on August 16, 2017, 05:32:03 PM
We've been unfortunate with injuries which has meant our business hasn't been ideal I imagine. If Mori was fit you'd have thought he'd have gone which would have brought another c20m into the kitty and Barkley's succession of niggling injuries may end up putting any suitors off until January. Long term injuries to Bolasie and Coleman have similarly caused us a bit of a headache to cover those positions.

An injury free squad over the summer would have seen things a little differently I imagine.