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Title: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Gash on August 25, 2017, 05:39:42 PM
End of a tough week.

I'd take a draw from this, I know Man City's not far away but three hard away games in a week is a lot even this early in the season. It would be nice to go into the break undefeated as well.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 25, 2017, 05:44:10 PM
Anything we get from this will be a massive bonus. I don't mean that in a 'small-time club scrapping for anything' way, like in the past. I mean more in terms of playing City, Split and Chelsea away in 6 days. Any team in the league would find that taxing.

I'm expecting defeat, and anything other than that will be a real achievement.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 25, 2017, 05:48:10 PM
I think we can take at least a point, It will be a tough test though. Hard week of fixtures out the way, we should have more of the competitive edge over them as we've now played 4 europa games and 2 league games.

Going to this one and looking forward to it.

So this means we will loose.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on August 25, 2017, 05:52:40 PM
Go there full of confidence and have a go at them, they're not invincible
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 25, 2017, 05:55:03 PM
I think we can take at least a point, It will be a tough test though. Hard week of fixtures out the way, we should have more of the competitive edge over them as we've now played 4 europa games and 2 league games.

Going to this one and looking forward to it.

So this means we will loose.
We may well be loose but hopefully we can grind out a point
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on August 25, 2017, 06:01:54 PM
               Pickford

      Jagielka Keane Williams
Holgate.                      Baines

       Besic Gana Sigurdsson

           Calvert-Lewin Rooney

Something like this maybe?think we will be trying to keep it tight and nick a point. All of a sudden Dominic Calvert-Lewin seems essential to our starting line up. He works so hard for the team
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 25, 2017, 06:07:48 PM
Hopefully Gary Cahill gets sent off and we do a Burnley.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: wilbur on August 25, 2017, 06:51:48 PM
Isn't Cahill still banned?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: wilbur on August 25, 2017, 07:00:14 PM
Just checked and Cahill is still suspended.

Hazard hasn't played yet this season and is still rated unlikely to start. Take out Costa and Matic as well and this can't possibly be as bad as last season - the problem is that if it's half as bad, we're still in trouble.

Would probably prefer Davies to start ahead of Besic but the rest of Sir Stealth's team look nailed on.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 25, 2017, 07:16:42 PM
Best I can say is perhaps they will be overconfident after winning "at" Spurs last weekend.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on August 25, 2017, 07:28:55 PM
I though this was on Sky, its not though so why is it a 1.30 kick off!!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 25, 2017, 07:31:34 PM
I though this was on Sky, its not though so why is it a 1.30 kick off!!
FFS so did I

Also, why are spurs playing on a sunday?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on August 25, 2017, 07:34:12 PM
Sky are showing West Brom V Stoke which kicks off at the same time. Our game should kick off later
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 25, 2017, 07:34:41 PM
Sky are showing West Brom V Stoke which kicks off at the same time. Our game should kick off later
Arsenal Liverpool later isn't it?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on August 25, 2017, 07:37:18 PM
Arsenal Liverpool later isn't it?

Yep, its Anfield though

There's no reason why we have an earlier kick off, its stupid, yes I know Spurs are at Wembley on same day, but that shouldn't make any difference
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on August 25, 2017, 07:42:28 PM
Koemans presser

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 25, 2017, 07:47:15 PM
Yep, its Anfield though

There's no reason why we have an earlier kick off, its stupid, yes I know Spurs are at Wembley on same day, but that shouldn't make any difference
Spurs aren't on the box either, why are thye on a Sunday?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheTone on August 25, 2017, 07:49:52 PM
Was going to give in and pay for the Mayweather fight, was full sure our game was on the telly, Sky can get fucked now, the 20 odd quid going on beer instead
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: MrWhite on August 25, 2017, 08:09:44 PM
Spurs aren't on the box either, why are thye on a Sunday?
Rugby League Challenge Cup final is on at Wembley on the saturday.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 25, 2017, 08:12:14 PM
Fucking hell wigan
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 25, 2017, 11:37:52 PM
If we play like Burnley we'll smash these. Play like Everton we'll get smashed by these :thumbsup:
I'm going for a draw
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on August 26, 2017, 04:24:09 AM
it will the same team as possible, (minus Morgs) and tactics I think to the City Game,,
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: pedrotheblue on August 26, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
Can't believe West Brom v Stoke is the early game on Sky and we're not getting shown, I mean who the fuck wants to watch that shower of shite apart from supporters of the two teams involved??? I know Sky have quotas to fill but Man U's first 3 league games have been televised, complete joke.

Sorry rant over.

I'm sure there'll  be plenty of streams, although on my jollies in Greece - roaming data don't fail me now!!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 26, 2017, 03:28:29 PM
I'm sure there'll  be plenty of streams, although on my jollies in Greece - roaming data don't fail me now!!

I was stuck on mobile broadband for over 2 years. If you can find lower-quality streams you'll have a much better chance of them not playing up.

Hope you know what your roaming agreement is though, it's not unheard of to get charged by the megabyte! (i.e. extortionate rate)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: pedrotheblue on August 26, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
I was stuck on mobile broadband for over 2 years. If you can find lower-quality streams you'll have a much better chance of them not playing up.

Hope you know what your roaming agreement is though, it's not unheard of to get charged by the megabyte! (i.e. extortionate rate)

Should be ok now as the law has changed re roaming charges throughout Europe, and according to Virgin I can use my allowances as if I was in the UK so no worries.

Thanks for the heads-up anyway!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 26, 2017, 04:31:44 PM
Should be ok now as the law has changed re roaming charges throughout Europe, and according to Virgin I can use my allowances as if I was in the UK so no worries.

Thanks for the heads-up anyway!
Are we not in in the bars out there?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 26, 2017, 04:33:29 PM
It's on ote sport 1 in greece
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: pedrotheblue on August 26, 2017, 04:48:29 PM
It's on ote sport 1 in greece

Good to know thanks, hopefully the bar owners will rather watch this then West Brom v Stoke.

Cheers
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 26, 2017, 05:47:57 PM
Both Fabregas and Pedro are back for this one. Could have done with those two still being absent.
Would like to see Mirallas start this one on the left and Lookman on the right.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 26, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
I'd like to see Lookman given a rest and a bit of experience come in. It's been admirable giving the lad a go but he looks a bit off the pace still.
Cup games/easier league games at home should be his level at the minute.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 26, 2017, 06:49:39 PM
Best place to watch this in town?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 07:14:18 PM
Chelsea/Everton is the televised match in the USA.  CNBC.  Some cars going in a circle or horsey silliness on NBCSN, I guess.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 26, 2017, 07:21:24 PM
Chelsea/Everton is the televised match in the USA.  CNBC.  Some cars going in a circle or horsey silliness on NBCSN, I guess.

I thought it would be, but I kind of prefer watching it on my laptop. Feel closer to the action lol
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 07:23:39 PM
I thought it would be, but I kind of prefer watching it on my laptop. Feel closer to the action lol

Did you read the awfulness about Extra Time?  I've already paid my $50, but NBC can die in a fire.

https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2017/6/27/15881034/nbc-extra-time-live-stream-premier-league-pass-united-states-everton-chelsea-arsenal-manchester-2017
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 26, 2017, 07:35:44 PM
Did you read the awfulness about Extra Time?  I've already paid my $50, but NBC can die in a fire.

https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2017/6/27/15881034/nbc-extra-time-live-stream-premier-league-pass-united-states-everton-chelsea-arsenal-manchester-2017

Well that sucks. I don't really want to watch all 130 games, only the ones that involve us.

It's perfect the way it is. But I guess an extra $50 a year is only an extra hour's work. Still sucks.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 07:41:18 PM
Well that sucks. I don't really want to watch all 130 games, only the ones that involve us.

It's perfect the way it is. But I guess an extra $50 a year is only an extra hour's work. Still sucks.

I do also like avoiding the 10am Redshite match, and if Huddersfield stays hot/interesting, I will watch them over the dreadful Stoke/Barcodes/West Ham fixtures that no doubt will keep getting broadcast.

But yeah, mostly losing guaranteed Everton access and the magical "purity" of the arrangement.  Feels like NBC has broken a sacred trust in establishing the EPL here.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Buck76 on August 26, 2017, 07:43:11 PM
Was going to give in and pay for the Mayweather fight, was full sure our game was on the telly, Sky can get fucked now, the 20 odd quid going on beer instead

Stream it, not worth shelling out on! Either a blag or Mayweather schools him...

Injuries are a nightmare already, letting Barry leave seems mad now, watched the kids and Walsh impressed and could make the bench for me.

Pickford
Kean Williams Jags
Holgate Besic Davies Siggy Baines
Rooney
DCL

Subs
Stek
Lennon
Mirallas
Martina
Lookman
Walsh
Kenny

Not a descent balance on the bench/pitch already with only Sambou/Niasse backup strikers with any game time.

Schneiderlin's second yellow now massive with Gueye's injury... McCarthy/Barkley could have been massive for us now. Hopefully Sandro & Klaassen are days away but with 9 first teamers missing its looking desperate.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 07:51:14 PM
Methinks everyone expects Gana to play.  Koeman strategically kept him in bubble wrap Thursday so we wouldn't get bummed off the pitch tomorrow.

Perhaps we will still get to see how Mo and Gana work together.  The need for DM speed will be immense.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 07:57:19 PM
Thinking maybe something like this:

                       Pickford

Holgate    Keane     Jags    Baines

Davies     Gana      Besic    Sigurdsson

       Mirallas/Lennon      Rooney

                       DCL
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Buck76 on August 26, 2017, 08:08:41 PM
Thinking maybe something like this:

                       Pickford

Holgate    Keane     Jags    Baines

Davies     Gana      Besic    Sigurdsson

       Mirallas/Lennon      Rooney

                       DCL

Playing with 12 there, doubt we'll get away with the 4421 formation...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 08:12:00 PM
oops, not enough coffee.  This, then...


                   Pickford

Holgate    Keane     Jags    Baines

Davies     Gana      Besic    Sigurdsson

           Rooney        DCL
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Buck76 on August 26, 2017, 08:44:38 PM
oops, not enough coffee.  This, then...


                   Pickford

Holgate    Keane     Jags    Baines

Davies     Gana      Besic    Sigurdsson

           Rooney        DCL

Fingers crossed Gana is OK, think we'll mirror the City formation but fear for us in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 08:45:51 PM
Fingers crossed Gana is OK, think we'll mirror the City formation but fear for us in the middle of the park.

yeah, too bad Koeman doesn't have the same anti-Pep voodoo wrt Conte.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hill135 on August 26, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
No Hazard for them
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 26, 2017, 09:08:38 PM
Fingers crossed Gana is OK, think we'll mirror the City formation but fear for us in the middle of the park.


With Besic in the middle I think they'll be more afraid. Odds in for a straight red I reckon
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 09:14:57 PM

With Besic in the middle I think they'll be more afraid. Odds in for a straight red I reckon

Hey, if we start to get bummed, at least Mo will let 'em know they were in a competitive match.  Give somebody a little "love tap" memento.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Buck76 on August 26, 2017, 09:29:33 PM
No Hazard for them

Wasn't anywhere near ready watching the U23's, just a shame we've got so many injuries could be a busy deadline day for us after all.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 26, 2017, 09:35:33 PM
Hey, if we start to get bummed, at least Mo will let 'em know they were in a competitive match.  Give somebody a little "love tap" memento.

Failing that, he'll do a back heel to set up their 5th.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 26, 2017, 09:36:49 PM
I do also like avoiding the 10am Redshite match, and if Huddersfield stays hot/interesting, I will watch them over the dreadful Stoke/Barcodes/West Ham fixtures that no doubt will keep getting broadcast.

But yeah, mostly losing guaranteed Everton access and the magical "purity" of the arrangement.  Feels like NBC has broken a sacred trust in establishing the EPL here.

I'll buy it next time we're not on tv. At least two weeks away.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 09:43:49 PM
I'll buy it next time we're not on tv. At least two weeks away.

Spurs is set for 10 on a Saturday, so that has a pretty good shot of not being televised.  Don't think NBC has picked their match just yet.  But if they are looking to "market" their pay product, this would be a good test case.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Buck76 on August 26, 2017, 10:06:20 PM
Hey, if we start to get bummed, at least Mo will let 'em know they were in a competitive match.  Give somebody a little "love tap" memento.

This is his moment to repay the faithful, if we ever needed a big 'disciplined' performance it's now!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ncstate4jpc on August 26, 2017, 10:07:19 PM
Spurs is set for 10 on a Saturday, so that has a pretty good shot of not being televised.  Don't think NBC has picked their match just yet.  But if they are looking to "market" their pay product, this would be a good test case.

They said all clubs will have a minimum of 3 games available exclusively on NBC Gold this year, that's the only reason I paid for it. Not happy about it, but always felt they would end up making it like a pay to watch platform like the other professional sports in the US.

By the way, have you seen what Turner Sports is doing with the Champions League now that they got the rights from Fox? Absolutely criminal.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 26, 2017, 10:14:53 PM
They said all clubs will have a minimum of 3 games available exclusively on NBC Gold this year, that's the only reason I paid for it. Not happy about it, but always felt they would end up making it like a pay to watch platform like the other professional sports in the US.

By the way, have you seen what Turner Sports is doing with the Champions League now that they got the rights from Fox? Absolutely criminal.

Nope, just Googled that.  Fuck me, that is awful.  Still no pricing details.  Seems they've given up on growing/nurturing the fanbase here, and plan on just bleeding it dry instead.

Gonna cover Europa, too.  So will definitely fuck over us American Blues even further than the NBC deal.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 26, 2017, 11:24:32 PM
I already pay $230 a month for Comcast. Greedy twats.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 26, 2017, 11:25:57 PM
They said all clubs will have a minimum of 3 games available exclusively on NBC Gold this year, that's the only reason I paid for it. Not happy about it, but always felt they would end up making it like a pay to watch platform like the other professional sports in the US.

By the way, have you seen what Turner Sports is doing with the Champions League now that they got the rights from Fox? Absolutely criminal.

What's so bad about Turner deal?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ncstate4jpc on August 27, 2017, 01:16:59 AM
What's so bad about Turner deal?

http://deadspin.com/champions-league-coverage-set-to-get-fucked-the-same-wa-1797935599 (http://deadspin.com/champions-league-coverage-set-to-get-fucked-the-same-wa-1797935599)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 27, 2017, 01:53:36 AM
I already pay $230 a month for Comcast. Greedy twats.

Is that just a TV sub?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 01:54:43 AM
Is that just a TV sub?

Package deal. Cable, internet and phone.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 27, 2017, 01:55:23 AM
Package deal. Cable, internet and phone.

That's insane.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 01:58:21 AM
That's insane.

It's a monopoly, no competition. Works out about 180 of your pounds. Cell phone is expensive too. We pay $280 for 4 phones and 8gb data. Unlimited talk and text and that includes the phones too.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 27, 2017, 02:07:33 AM
It's a monopoly, no competition. Works out about 180 of your pounds. Cell phone is expensive too. We pay $280 for 4 phones and 8gb data. Unlimited talk and text and that includes the phones too.

45 each for the mobile phones isn't too bad if It's 8gb per line. That's roughly the same as what you'd pay over here for new decent phone.
Can't get over that cable price though.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 03:17:40 AM
45 each for the mobile phones isn't too bad if It's 8gb per line. That's roughly the same as what you'd pay over here for new decent phone.
Can't get over that cable price though.

8gb shared (but with roll over to the next month) :)

Extra $40 for unlimited.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 03:27:08 AM
Luxury stuff like cell phone and cable is ridiculously expensive. Regulations I think making them more than they should be.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 27, 2017, 04:33:57 AM
With the unfortunate news for Besic (hope his dad is ok) I don't expect see him in line up tomorrow

Might have go with this

                     Pickford
           Keane Williams Jags
Holgate   Gueye  Davies  Baines
                      Sig
              Rooney DCL

Think we'll miss Schneiderlin's presence and calmness. With him and Davey unavailable we're reliant on Sig and Rooney to get hold of the ball and keep it

Edit - with Schneid, Sandro, Davey and now likely Besic missing our bench is going to be weak looking. Who would even get on it?

Stek Mirallas, Lookman, Lennon, Martina. After that I'm struggling. Kenny? any other of the u23 chaps



This isn't a moan about quality of the squad. Look at the talent unavailable - Bolasie, Coleman, Schneiderlin, Davey, Sandro, Besic, Mori, McCarthy, Barkley. Most of them would get into a lot of teams in the prem
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on August 27, 2017, 05:39:58 AM
With the unfortunate news for Besic (hope his dad is ok) I don't expect see him in line up tomorrow

Might have go with this

                     Pickford
           Keane Williams Jags
Holgate   Gueye  Davies  Baines
                      Sig
              Rooney DCL

Think we'll miss Schneiderlin's presence and calmness. With him and Davey unavailable we're reliant on Sig and Rooney to get hold of the ball and keep it

Edit - with Schneid, Sandro, Davey and now likely Besic missing our bench is going to be weak looking. Who would even get on it?

Stek Mirallas, Lookman, Lennon, Martina. After that I'm struggling. Kenny? any other of the u23 chaps



This isn't a moan about quality of the squad. Look at the talent unavailable - Bolasie, Coleman, Schneiderlin, Davey, Sandro, Besic, Mori, McCarthy, Barkley. Most of them would get into a lot of teams in the prem

Is Gueye definitely available?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 27, 2017, 12:35:49 PM
Is Gueye definitely available?

Good point, christ I hope so.

Chelsea have caught us at the perfect time haven't they? :(

Set up to frustrate in my eyes and hope to get something. Every team in the world would struggle with 3 or 4 starting 11 players, especially with some of the replacements for them positions unavailable too
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 27, 2017, 03:12:49 PM
Completely understand if Besic goes home, but part of me thinks he has the team-first kind of mentality.

Could well imagine him making himself available, having finally broken back into the team and with several players missing, knowing there's an international break coming.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on August 27, 2017, 03:21:57 PM
http://deadspin.com/champions-league-coverage-set-to-get-fucked-the-same-wa-1797935599 (http://deadspin.com/champions-league-coverage-set-to-get-fucked-the-same-wa-1797935599)

Thats only the same as what happened here when BT got the rights.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: pjk on August 27, 2017, 03:54:56 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but Mirallas isn't even in the squad; apparently.   


http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/everton-star-spotted-manchester-airport-chelsea-game/

https://twitter.com/brianmoogan46/status/901709669139402752/photo/1
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on August 27, 2017, 03:57:57 PM
Subs should be interesting -

Beni B? L Walsh? L Gibson?

One of them, surely?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 27, 2017, 04:00:32 PM
Thinking on what BlueNoseMike has said we really will struggle to name a full bench.

If Beić stays in the squad I suppose we could fill the last spot with Niasse!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on August 27, 2017, 04:06:09 PM
Could have done with Dowell and Onyekuru!

Niasse off the bench and scores - surely, not.......................... ...?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: velimski on August 27, 2017, 04:10:33 PM
Just woken up to a text from @Eddie (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3296) informing me that he has a ticket for me.

The fucking legend.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 27, 2017, 05:28:39 PM
Looks like Mirallas could be moving on?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 27, 2017, 05:56:56 PM
Subs should be interesting -

Beni B? L Walsh? L Gibson?

One of them, surely?
They played 90mins about 48hrs ago
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on August 27, 2017, 06:03:24 PM
young, fit, 17/18 years old, subs bench, 2 days rest - no such problem, thrive on it
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 06:11:07 PM
They wouldn't be brought on so it wouldn't matter much anyway.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 27, 2017, 06:33:08 PM
Sandro, Gueye and Davies start
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on August 27, 2017, 06:33:32 PM
Pickford, Baines, Jagielka (c), Williams, Keane, Holgate, Davies, Gana, Sigurdsson, Rooney, Sandro

subs: Stekelenburg, Lennon, Martina, Besic, Calvert-Lewin, Lookman, Kenny
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: april on August 27, 2017, 06:34:11 PM
Pickford
Keane
Jags
Williams
Holgate
Baines
Davies
Gana
Sig
Sandro
Rooney
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: pjk on August 27, 2017, 06:34:58 PM
Win

1-0

Sandro.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
Ye this is one of those games you just watch because it's Everton. Never really expected much from The Bridge.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on August 27, 2017, 06:39:57 PM
Quite like the look of that squad. Obviously it's going to be similar tactics to the City game, but hopefully if we snag a draw, we can keep the good momentum going.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: brap2 on August 27, 2017, 06:41:27 PM
Got any reliable stream sites the lids?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ravardo on August 27, 2017, 06:42:28 PM
http://www.eplsite.com/
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: pjk on August 27, 2017, 06:43:18 PM
Got any reliable stream sites the lids?



http://cricfree.sc/football-live-stream#  :)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: stirlingblue on August 27, 2017, 06:46:06 PM
DCL not even making the bench is surprising, as is Rooney starting
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on August 27, 2017, 06:46:50 PM
The third 1-1 away draw in  a week would be sound.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Cozzie on August 27, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
DCL not even making the bench is surprising, as is Rooney starting

DCL is on the bench.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 06:47:29 PM
DCL not even making the bench is surprising, as is Rooney starting

He is in the bench
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 06:53:08 PM
Got any reliable stream sites the lids?
very good yesterday.
http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/chelsea-vs-everton-live-streaming
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 06:55:16 PM
Don't have time to do all the sportsmania thing.

What are the kodi nonces doing?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 06:57:32 PM
Besic is still with the club and on the bench, after his dad gets shot.  No more jokes, he IS a rock of a "hard" man, eh?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on August 27, 2017, 06:57:50 PM
Im out at a do today so any mobile streams would be appreciated
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on August 27, 2017, 06:58:09 PM
He is in the bench
I know I'm lousy at english but what the hell does that mean  ;)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 06:58:32 PM
http://www.navixsport.com/sport.php?id=2982  (520p) English

http://nexit.fun/index.php?ch=1&h=161&a=251 HD CNBC English

http://101sportz.com/hd1.html English 1080p

CNBC ENGLISH acestream://e7968fe55b27a9b308aa2273271f73c8fe3e5593

MATCH FUTBOL 1 RUSSIAN 1080 P acestream://d966dd62af620b011eea99087d5422ba41e8f19

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:00:44 PM
oopsie, ignore the last acestream nbc link, thats the spa GP
 
ill try and get another one

sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/151777 [SD] [RU]
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/151888 [SD] [RU]

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 07:07:22 PM
Don't have time to do all the sportsmania thing.

What are the kodi nonces doing?
I'm on falcon in project M, sound up to now, 4 streams for us nonces.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: IUToffee on August 27, 2017, 07:07:45 PM
What's the deal with Miralles? Not even on the bench?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 07:08:37 PM
What's the deal with Miralles? Not even on the bench?

He's gone to be with Besic's dad.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:09:47 PM
NBC panel basically says if you look at the clubs without the names on the shirts, you'd have to say Everton are the stronger side.  Than League Champion Chelsea.

I love how the media treats us over here.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:10:18 PM
He's gone to be with Besic's dad.

"My dad will still be shot tomorrow, you know?" - Mo
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: MrWhite on August 27, 2017, 07:10:42 PM
Im out at a do today so any mobile streams would be appreciated

many these are, all labelled

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams/comments/6wbpfz/1230_gmt_chelsea_vs_everton/
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:17:29 PM
It's mad how West Brom and Stoke is on tele before our game.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 27, 2017, 07:21:07 PM
It's mad how West Brom and Stoke is on tele before our game.

Not in Canada it isn't.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 07:24:02 PM
It's mad how West Brom and Stoke is on tele before our game.

Not one person in the world who wants to watch that game.

Not even west Brom and Stoke fans
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:24:31 PM
Not in Canada it isn't.

Nor in the States
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:26:50 PM
Canadian HD EPL ACESTREAM

 acestream://92e89effbfec8dde75c2e9197b3d9fa59a800a2e
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:27:52 PM
Come on Everton, these are shite!!

/am possibly high
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 07:29:56 PM
COYBB !!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:30:05 PM
Come on Everton, these are shite!!

/am possibly high

Damn dude, isn't it like 8am?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:30:38 PM
Damn dude, isn't it like 8am?

anytime is pill time!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: MrWhite on August 27, 2017, 07:32:07 PM
Sandro.  :)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:32:56 PM
I can't say I'm a fan of how often we just boot the ball up the pitch..
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:34:17 PM
Holgate kicking ass already.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:34:22 PM
I can't say I'm a fan of how often we just boot the ball up the pitch..

agree, but will forgive it today.  Missing lots of connective tissue, and it's Stamford Bridge.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:34:31 PM
Holgate has serious Stones..
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 07:35:55 PM
Awful start with the ball.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: MrWhite on August 27, 2017, 07:37:19 PM
Baines is fucking boss.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:38:22 PM
Awful start with the ball.

Seems pretty common for us now.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 07:39:17 PM
Anyone got a quality stream that isnt minutes behind ?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:39:28 PM
http://www.navixsport.com/sport.php?id=2982&page=nxslkxslklllslkyx
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:39:31 PM
Gana getting snidey!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:39:36 PM
why do our DCM's always get booked in the first 10 mins ;/

restricts our team so much..
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 07:39:58 PM
Seems pretty common for us now.

Midfield need to take the ball off the defence and stop leaving them with nothing but a long ball into the channels.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ross on August 27, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
Think he's lucky to only get a yellow there
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 27, 2017, 07:40:10 PM
Should be red for Gana that. Awful challenge.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:40:19 PM
Matter of time, sadly.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:40:46 PM
Midfield need to take the ball off the defence and stop leaving them with nothing but a long ball into the channels.

It's happening so much that I'm starting to think it's our tactic..  :-\
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:41:10 PM
they shoulda s cored then
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:41:56 PM
they shoulda s cored then

lucky they got so cute with it
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
Bit ominous this.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:43:01 PM
William needs to be closed down faster, he's the Chelsea player that is finding the space, and has the skill to punish us.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:43:47 PM
Morata was all alone in front of goal there
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 07:44:00 PM
I hate the brightness of their grass. Finding it hard to focus on the game.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 07:44:05 PM
Pickford's gonna be busy here... :(
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:44:18 PM
Why do teams just seem to always up their game against us man.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2017, 07:44:43 PM
Getting ripped apart here.

Got to be brave in these matches. We're not.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 07:44:43 PM
It's happening so much that I'm starting to think it's our tactic..  :-\

Koeman's complained about too many long balls a couple of times, and ball possession not being good enough, so don't think it is.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:45:41 PM
Koeman's complained about too many long balls a couple of times, and ball possession not being good enough, so don't think it is.


Then he needs to lose the groks like Williams who lump it forward.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 07:45:43 PM
Wow, we're in their half !
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:46:28 PM
Why do teams just seem to always up their game against us man.

Everton, aren't we?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:47:27 PM
3 at the back v. Chelsea simply doesn't work.  The sooner we toss Besic or Lennon on for Williams, the better.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:47:27 PM
got no out ball, missing DCL.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Juanito on August 27, 2017, 07:47:33 PM
decent streams anyone pls
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheTone on August 27, 2017, 07:48:50 PM
so will we scrape a point lids?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 07:48:55 PM
Important to remember our approach in this type of game is going to be different to how Koeman wants to play generally.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 07:49:26 PM
Push up FFS !
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
so will we scrape a point lids?

Can't see us getting much else.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:50:25 PM
oh fuck everything
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:51:01 PM
Oh good job Alonso you murdering cunt.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 07:51:50 PM
Why are we going back to our CBS from an attacking free kick position? Weird.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:51:58 PM
I was thinking "high ankle sprain" for a moment
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on August 27, 2017, 07:52:33 PM
Important to remember our approach in this type of game is going to be different to how Koeman wants to play generally.

It is the same every game though in the league hence all the slow starts last season . Still it is  away to Chelsea who embarrassed us last season .
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:53:48 PM
Davies..what was that.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:54:32 PM
..We're really poor aren't we?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:54:46 PM
attacking way to slowly, when we do have some sort of advantage, we end up going backwards ;/
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 27, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
No attacking width or pace makes it difficult to play on the counter.

No one running beyond Sandro probably because we are worried about being caught out.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
Like a magic force field over this ground that turns us to liquid shit.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 07:55:26 PM
We are outnumbered everywhere on the pitch seemingly. I'd prefer we changed things sooner but then we haven't even settled yet so it's a bit harsh. We've not had enough possession to truly evaluate our tactics.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2017, 07:55:29 PM
Really don't like Davies in that position.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:55:42 PM
Davies..what was that.

blind pass back into defense, why dont he(the team) want to play the ball forwards
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 07:55:49 PM
..We're really poor aren't we?

No.

We're playing the champions away from home three days after playing away in Croatia, missing our midfield lynchpin.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
This forward play is worse than under Moyes. Inexcusable given the money we've spent.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 07:56:18 PM
..We're really poor aren't we?

No. Calm down and have some perspective.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 07:56:44 PM
We are very good defensively. It's painful watching us attack though. No pace, no width, no one capable of going past people.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
No.

We're playing the champions away from home three days after playing away in Croatia, missing our midfield lynchpin.



We are pretty awful. Although the mighty Burnley did beat these I guess.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 07:57:02 PM
This forward play is worse than under Moyes. Inexcusable given the money we've spent.

There are excuses though
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 07:57:06 PM
it was coming, can't even really be mad about it
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 27, 2017, 07:57:08 PM
No way do we get anything from this game.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 07:57:15 PM
Can only assume Sandro is still partly injured. DCL would be running the channels and offering us an outlet here. Sandro offering nothing.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:57:16 PM
Expected.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2017, 07:57:40 PM
Another toothless performance away to a big team
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ross on August 27, 2017, 07:57:48 PM
Inevitable
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 07:57:49 PM
 :(

was coming
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 07:57:50 PM
It's going completely the way I expected.

Good to just get this game out the way.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on August 27, 2017, 07:57:57 PM
Shite, these will murder us today we keep playing like this
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 07:58:03 PM
Meh
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Fucking state of Ashley Williams there.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 07:58:14 PM
There are excuses though

No.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
Baines let his man go there
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 07:58:34 PM
..We're really poor aren't we?
Yes
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 27, 2017, 07:58:47 PM
Can't get any streams at all even with a vpn.
Thank God
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 07:58:47 PM
How come since I've supported Everton, do we never seem to turn up at these away games?. Funny enough, the only time I remember us genuinely playing well was under Martinez.  :snigger:
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 07:59:19 PM
Pile of shite. Really could do with a fucking winger or 2. Our transfer business as a whole as been quite odd. Still unless Leicester improve we'll be 7th again
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on August 27, 2017, 07:59:35 PM
Awful.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 07:59:35 PM
We need to close much more quickly and up the pace generally
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 07:59:48 PM
Poor defending. More than enough players to deal with that.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on August 27, 2017, 08:00:02 PM
Pile of shite. Really could do with a fucking winger or 2. Our transfer business as a whole as been quite odd. Still unless Leicester improve we'll be 7th again

Lennon or Mirallas perhaps?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:00:05 PM
Probably the past 6 days catching up with us.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 08:00:22 PM
bollocks :(
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on August 27, 2017, 08:00:28 PM
Our passing is shocking!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blue slug on August 27, 2017, 08:00:53 PM
Glad I'm not watching this, sounds like a typical Everton away to a top 6 side performance, always shit
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 27, 2017, 08:01:19 PM
I hate that these games have a certain inevitability about them.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on August 27, 2017, 08:01:36 PM
Leaving Sandro all on his own with no service isn't going to help convince a striker to join us is it
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:01:58 PM
How come since I've supported Everton, do we never seem to turn up at these away games?. Funny enough, the only time I remember us genuinely playing well was under Martinez.  :snigger:

not sure u was watching Everton
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:02:05 PM
least if we could keep the ball in their half or on the halfway line,  every match this season, from the pre qualifying stage, we havent been able to keep the ball, let alone look fluid.

whatdafuq everton,
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 08:02:06 PM
I suspect Lennon for Williams definitely happens at the half.  Maybe DCL for Sandro, too.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 08:02:15 PM
 crap goal, but pains me to say that we look very much second best...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
Need to be much braver on the ball as a team. Everyone's playing extra safe passes and not trusting each other and themselves to take possession in tight areas when marked.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:02:27 PM
Lennon or Mirallas perhaps?

I meant decent 1s to be honest. Baffling that we'd buy Sigurdsson, rooney and klassen over a decent winger with genuine pace. Did we really need all 3
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: YellowHold on August 27, 2017, 08:02:35 PM
Missing schneiderlin every bit as much as expected we would, Davies is struggling trying to play that role. Could of done with Barry today.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:02:40 PM
Probably the past 6 days catching up with us.

Nah not yet. We've been like this from the 1st minute. It shouldn't be beyond the realms of professional footballers at this level to pass the ball and keep possession for more than 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:03:03 PM
furthest we been up the pitch
holgate!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheTone on August 27, 2017, 08:03:15 PM
have we had a shot on target? Kinda happy this isnt on the telly now
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:03:38 PM
i think the problem is we dont shoot enough on the volly from 54 yards
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:04:16 PM
yay a shot!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 08:05:07 PM
There's still every chance we can get back in this
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 08:05:11 PM
These are the type of performances post Europa league we see all too often.

A game too far for Rooney, it would seem right now at least. Offering very little. Sandro doesn't seem to know where to be either.

Bring on anyone with legs second half. Lookman, DCL, perhaps even Besic.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 08:05:27 PM
Willian takes out Gana now
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 08:06:17 PM
Good goal by Chelsea and getting beat here I can take as they have quality players.

But what I cant take is our total lack of ability as an attacking force.

These tactics are more negative than what Moyes was criticised for, when he had spent a fraction of the money.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:06:31 PM
Nah not yet. We've been like this from the 1st minute. It shouldn't be beyond the realms of professional footballers at this level to pass the ball and keep possession for more than 10 seconds.

Don't have the pace don't have the movement and we don't have players that can create a yard with a little bit of trickery. We are very dull to watch
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:06:46 PM
These are the type of performances post Europa league we see all too often.

A game too far for Rooney, it would seem right now at least. Offering very little. Sandro doesn't seem to know where to be either.

Bring on anyone with legs second half. Lookman, DCL, perhaps even Besic.

Felt Rooney's been the only calm influence in the team. Chelsea are closing us down very well.

Hopefully we see a better second half.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:08:07 PM
Sandro should be running the channels and offering an outlet but he's very static.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2017, 08:08:20 PM
Embarrassed watching this.

This is why it's a big 6 and not a big 7.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 27, 2017, 08:08:55 PM
Let's just calm down shall we. Any team would miss their key holding midfielder, a link player, their best full back and the option of pace and power on the wing.

Keep it respectable, keep them to one and they may get nervous. After that see what we can do in the window. Aim for 3 against Spurs
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on August 27, 2017, 08:09:26 PM
Good goal by Chelsea and getting beat here I can take as they have quality players.

But what I cant take is our total lack of ability as an attacking force.

These tactics are more negative than what Moyes was criticised for, when he had spent a fraction of the money.
Agree with this to a point, I'm hoping its more a case of players settling in and we'll improve, but at the moment it's awful and very negative to watch from an attacking point of view.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 08:09:39 PM
Felt Rooney's been the only calm influence in the team. Chelsea are closing us down very well.

Hopefully we see a better second half.

Calm yes, but it's not creating anything.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:09:44 PM
Embarrassed watching this.

This is why it's a big 6 and not a big 7.

Exactly every team above us have at least 2 attacking players that are miles ahead of what we've got

We are nowhere near them.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:09:59 PM
STOP FUCKING GOING BACKWARDS, STRETCH THE PITCH, MAKE SOME RUNS.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:10:06 PM
Has Baines crossed the halfway line yet? Does he realise he's meant to be a wing back?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 08:10:08 PM
the bumming is on
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:10:21 PM
Fuck off Everton you useless shits.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 08:10:25 PM
Game well and truly over.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 08:10:43 PM
That was coming
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 27, 2017, 08:10:48 PM
whilst it remains 1-0 we're still very much in this. Get to H/T and Koeman needs to change it.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
That's that turned off.

Nice to see lessons learned from last season here.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on August 27, 2017, 08:10:53 PM
This is fuckin shit
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 27, 2017, 08:10:58 PM
You can't play this style every week.

We need to have the ball at some point and some sort of attacking threat.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on August 27, 2017, 08:11:00 PM
Shambles
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on August 27, 2017, 08:11:04 PM
Sake
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:11:07 PM
How much have we spent and we can't even keep the ball for a few minutes? What are we doing.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:11:10 PM
this defence does not work, and was offside also
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 27, 2017, 08:11:15 PM
This is absolutely shite, just like their fans who I'm unfortunately right next too.

We need DCL desperately
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on August 27, 2017, 08:11:20 PM
same tactics as last year.  Abysmal
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 27, 2017, 08:11:26 PM
scrap that. Game over now.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:11:27 PM
Calm yes, but it's not creating anything.

Because there's nothing on. Who can we put on to replace him to create anything?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 08:11:38 PM
Rooney and sandro Inparticular have been woeful.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on August 27, 2017, 08:11:49 PM
Maybe the back three isn't such a great idea against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: jongre123 on August 27, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
3 Central Defenders and not one of them doing anything.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ross on August 27, 2017, 08:12:04 PM
Hope Costa isn't watching this....
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on August 27, 2017, 08:12:10 PM
same tactics as last year.  Abysmal

But last year we were told it was "a blip" and that Koeman would learn from it
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:12:33 PM
Garbage all round. Players playing like small-time mid table cloggers. Not even had a go here and the game's practically over.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:12:39 PM
Koeman's a moron.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:12:41 PM
gonna get bummed here
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 08:13:10 PM
oh dear. hope it's not going to be an abacus game...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:13:17 PM
but ok..you lose 3-4 nil away from home, it's not so bad. but ok..
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:13:18 PM
Let's just calm down shall we. Any team would miss their key holding midfielder, a link player, their best full back and the option of pace and power on the wing.

Keep it respectable, keep them to one and they may get nervous. After that see what we can do in the window. Aim for 3 against Spurs

Its not the players who are missing, its the way we attack. the way we have attacked this season. we cant even keep the ball. lol :(
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: MrWhite on August 27, 2017, 08:13:23 PM
Based on our usual form, we should be much much better in the second half?  :titanic:
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:13:33 PM
Wow, all the knee jerks are out in force today.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: DannyR on August 27, 2017, 08:13:38 PM
Rent boys gonna fuck us here.

Koeman best bollock them at half time
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:13:45 PM
I'm out. It's not remotely fun watching this. Drab shite. What an utterly odd signing Sigurdsson was. Nowt wrong with him just what we had rather than what we needed. Still he'll produce a 6-7 every week and keep us in the top half
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:13:53 PM
Absolute horror show from Tom Davies so far as well. Completely lost out there.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheTone on August 27, 2017, 08:14:09 PM
things not going so well by the sounds of it
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 08:14:23 PM
let DCL and Lookman have the 2nd half.  Plus Besic for Williams to move to a back 4.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:14:32 PM
Wow, all the knee jerks are out in force today.

Mine has a mind of its own. I should stop posting, going into full meltdown mode here.  lolol
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 27, 2017, 08:14:57 PM
Its not the players who are missing, its the way we attack. the way we have attacked this season. we cant even keep the ball. lol :(

Of course it is, you throw Bolasie, Coleman and Schneiderlin into this team and it's a different ball game
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 27, 2017, 08:15:39 PM
We'd have shown more attacking intent if we were just launching hopeful balls up to Grant Holt. I'm not even fucking kidding.

Looks like this could be 5-0 so might as well go for it. Get Mirallas on....oh, wait...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 27, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
It's time to unleash Burnley....
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:16:06 PM
Based on our usual form, we should be much much better in the second half?  :titanic:

basically we are Barcelona 2nd half
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 08:16:29 PM
Wow, all the knee jerks are out in force today.

not much 'knee jerk' about this one, blarg. awful...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:16:53 PM
Mine has a mind of its own. I should stop posting, going into full meltdown mode here.  lolol

lol I never expected anything from today. We're missing important players, still trying to gel as a team, and we're playing by far the best team in the country. Would like to see a bit more fight though, but Chelsea are totally nullifying us.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:16:58 PM
Wow, all the knee jerks are out in force today.

Knee jerk? People have been saying we needed pace and width before the season started. Every match we've played this season we've looked short of pace and width. It's fucking painful and our signings while individually fine as a collective have been just wrong
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 27, 2017, 08:17:23 PM
Awful half
Poor effort, poor quality,
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on August 27, 2017, 08:17:28 PM
I'd like to see the version of this game where Calvert-Lewin starts instead of Sandro.

We've desperately needed someone to run behind the defense and Sandro hasn't been up to it.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:17:32 PM
Of course it is, you throw Bolasie, Coleman and Schneiderlin into this team and it's a different ball game



im not sure, we need a striker to stretch the pitch, or to hold up the ball. every time the ball goes up, it comes back. when the midfield have possession, all they do is play it back to defenders, who play it back to the keeper, seen this every game this season, the  players you mentioned wont change that.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 08:17:41 PM
We  must have arrived commentary excuses about a tough week, yeh Canada and Kilbane.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 08:18:26 PM
Burnley were 3-0 up here at HT... 'cos they HAD A FUCKING GO !
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 27, 2017, 08:18:27 PM
One of he mods needs to change @MartinezsLeftTeste (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) username to pacy winger.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 08:18:29 PM
In a word? Poor.

Tempted to say "shambles" though.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:18:49 PM
How much longer must we run with a formation that leaves us with nothing going forwards. Is this is it until after we play Man U then?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:18:53 PM
Knee jerk? People have been saying we needed pace and width before the season started. Every match we've played this season we've looked short of pace and width. It's fucking painful and our signings while individually fine as a collective have been just wrong

Well, I'd like to give things a few months before making judgments and allow the team to come together. If we're still bad in January, then I'll worry.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:19:04 PM
lol I never expected anything from today. We're missing important players, still trying to gel as a team, and we're playing by far the best team in the country. Would like to see a bit more fight though, but Chelsea are totally nullifying us.

We never turn up against the big teams away from home or if we do we scrape a draw like good a little team does.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 27, 2017, 08:19:06 PM
For all the players we have bought, we still have way to go in getting players of the calibre of Fabregas and Morata. That's what we have to be aiming for ultimately.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:19:32 PM
Absolute stroll in the park for this lot. Might as well have forfeited the game and saved our legs for the lack of intent and intensity in that half. Pathetic, regardless of it being a tough week.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 08:20:09 PM
Burnley were 3-0 up here at HT... 'cos they HAD A FUCKING GO !



Haha no they didn't.

They set up like us and just come up against a team who's heads had completely gone.

We don't have the attacking options to 'have a go' at the moment.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 08:20:25 PM
Burnley were 3-0 up here at HT... 'cos they HAD A FUCKING GO !

Chelsea had a man sent off, and were generally a shambles. They're the champions, they don't have too many bad games.

That said, we look terrible.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:20:35 PM
One of he mods needs to change @MartinezsLeftTeste (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) username to pacy winger.

I know I go on about it all the time but who in the fuck watched us and decided we needed Rooney Klassen and Sigurdsson rather than a fucking winger.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: MrWhite on August 27, 2017, 08:20:40 PM
Burnley were 3-0 up here at HT... 'cos they HAD A FUCKING GO !

Having Cahill sent off might have helped a little.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on August 27, 2017, 08:20:44 PM
Good old three at the back 👏👏👏👏👏well played Koeman. ...get one off and flood midfield try and retain the fucking ball a bit or at all for fucksake .
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
In a word? Poor.

Tempted to say "shambles" though.
Anyone can lose, but to look as though there is no plan = shambles, piss pot poor.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 27, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
Yea that was poor.

Really need a player who can beat a man at least even if we don't have pace.

It's clear Chelsea are aware none of our centrebacks are comfortable on the ball and will allow them to have the ball. Can't play 3 CBs if none of them can carry the ball into midfield and draw players towards them.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 08:21:08 PM
Knee jerk? People have been saying we needed pace and width before the season started. Every match we've played this season we've looked short of pace and width. It's fucking painful and our signings while individually fine as a collective have been just wrong

You've said five times already in this thread.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: pjk on August 27, 2017, 08:21:18 PM
I've got a bad stream, but what I've managed to see has been pretty poor. There's very little in terms of attacking play. Koeman needs to change something drastically.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:21:21 PM
lol I never expected anything from today. We're missing important players, still trying to gel as a team, and we're playing by far the best team in the country. Would like to see a bit more fight though, but Chelsea are totally nullifying us.

i was told man city was the best team in the prem last week, seems we can have multiple best teams this season
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:21:49 PM
We never turn up against the big teams away from home or if we do we scrape a draw like good a little team does.

I think you'll find most teams are like that. We do need to be better, I totally agree, but we're still building. Rome wasn't built in a day. This summer has been the first summer we've made significant transfer dealings in decades. Patience.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueNoseMike on August 27, 2017, 08:23:01 PM


im not sure, we need a striker to stretch the pitch, or to hold up the ball. every time the ball goes up, it comes back. when the midfield have possession, all they do is play it back to defenders, who play it back to the keeper, seen this every game this season, the  players you mentioned wont change that.

Ok we're also missing that as well aren't we? Which we trying to get before September. I'm not going to judge us on this game

I actually think someone like Bolasie is perfect for this type of game. His biggest strength is getting the ball from one end of the pitch to the other very quick. He tends to do well against the big clubs for Palace and someone with his pace could have exploited the space behind their full backs. Then once we're frther up the pitch we get the technical players on the ball in dangerous positions.

Also Schneiderlin would have made an impact. Only need to look at his performance against City in that first half on Monday, was the best he'd been this season. And coleman would make a difference to any side

100% agree about the striker though
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: pedrotheblue on August 27, 2017, 08:23:04 PM
Both ridiculously soft goals, was there a foul.im build up bro 2nd? Greek tv not showing it.

Shocking we didn't have a striker lined up replace Rom.

And fuck off with the Burnley shouts, they played most off the game against 10 men
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:23:08 PM
I think you'll find most teams are like that. We do need to be better, I totally agree, but we're still building. Rome wasn't built in a day. This summer has been the first summer we've made significant transfer dealings in decades. Patience.

The Pickfords of our team wont stay if we only ever finish 7th mate. We've hit our ceiling.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: MrWhite on August 27, 2017, 08:23:29 PM
You've said five times already in every thread.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:23:48 PM
Well, I'd like to give things a few months before making judgments and allow the team to come together. If we're still bad in January, then I'll worry.

We are completely lacking certain parts of a successful team. Time doesn't fix that. We still need 3 quality attacking players because we bought too many of a similar type
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:23:57 PM
5 defenders, two defensive midfielders and goalkeeper. Leaves us with three players against at least 6 of theirs to fashion a chance. Is this the sum of Koeman's ambitions against the top 6?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 27, 2017, 08:24:01 PM
It isn't pace we need it's movement Chelsea are barely utilising pace but they all fucking move!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 08:24:15 PM
Liverpool won the most away games last season at the other top 6 teams with 2.

Spurs won 0.

Don't think Utd won any?

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:24:31 PM
Good old three at the back 👏👏👏👏👏well played Koeman. ...get one off and flood midfield try and retain the fucking ball a bit or at all for fucksake .

all that will do is,  waste time, add extra passes, with out going forwards, the ball will inevitably  played back to the defense, or to the keeper, who will blast it up the pitch, conceding possession.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Cereal Killer on August 27, 2017, 08:24:37 PM
Are our players wearing concrete boots or just all painfully slow today?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on August 27, 2017, 08:24:42 PM
Ronald Moyes
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: di_guyo on August 27, 2017, 08:24:59 PM
Well at least we should be aligned in that we're no where near the top 4. Absolutely shocking. Really not sure on Koeman's tactics at all.

Yeh, I know, we're gelling or building, bla bla bla....we're still shite right now though.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 08:25:19 PM
5 defenders, two defensive midfielders and goalkeeper. Leaves us with three players against at least 6 of theirs to fashion a chance. Is this the sum of Koeman's ambitions against the top 6?

Isn't that what Chelsea did vs Spurs last week?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: bogie on August 27, 2017, 08:25:23 PM
we need to take Phil Neville off and get Leighton Baines on  that left side is a fucking joke
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:25:29 PM
5 defenders, two defensive midfielders and goalkeeper. Leaves us with three players against at least 6 of theirs to fashion a chance. Is this the sum of Koeman's ambitions against the top 6?

Moyes had more balls than Koeman
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 27, 2017, 08:25:43 PM
Davies is suffering from utility syndrome.  Not sure what he is supposed to be doing
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:26:01 PM
You've said five times already in this thread.



It's hard to watch us every week and not keep saying it. It's blatantly a massive problem. There's not much else to comment on.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:26:38 PM
Liverpool won the most away games last season at the other top 6 teams with 2.

Spurs won 0.

Don't think Utd won any?



True but we don't even look like we have any sort of coherent threat. Even the dead balls have been lamentable.

Just turned up for our usual Stamford Bridge beating like the good, little 7th best team that we are.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 08:26:50 PM
I mean it's like everyone says this will be really tough after the week we've had before the game.

But then as soon as it turns out tone really tough it's a massive surprise?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:27:06 PM
i was told man city was the best team in the prem last week, seems we can have multiple best teams this season

Well, it's a fact Chelsea are the best given they are the champions of England by a wide margin. City are very good though.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 27, 2017, 08:27:16 PM
The players* brought in today who should be fresh legs aren't providing the impetus, one of Gueye's worst games for us so far?

*I'm excepting Holgate, he's been  his normal self.

Rooney looks like the only one that could make something happen but he's getting a lot of attention.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on August 27, 2017, 08:27:21 PM
Thing is there's been nothing to shout home about throughout pre-season, europe, Stoke and Man CIty in how we've played as a whole.  We got away with a most of the results and if we had played well in any game, I'd be shutting the fuck up right now but this has been coming!!!  Fucking Drab.  Barkley will probably be replaced with another grafter! RANT OVER!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:27:39 PM
It isn't pace we need it's movement Chelsea are barely utilising pace but they all fucking move!

They are top quality players though. We maybe can't attract players with worldclass movement. Surely we can attract some with a little bit of pace though.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 27, 2017, 08:28:33 PM
Toothless in attack, missing in midfield and static defence, what the fuck!! Learned from last year about a back 3 my arse. No one seems to know we're they are supposed to be or worse, give a shit. Ghana can't tackle in case he gets sent off, Rooney now frustrated heading for a card. No one on the bench to change it. Sandro isolated so DCL won't change it. Get the ball and for fucks sake do something with it.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 08:28:52 PM
tempted to mow the lawn, but you never know...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 27, 2017, 08:29:31 PM
Goodlass before the game saying he'd spoken to people within the club and suggests there will be big news this week with regards to transfers.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 27, 2017, 08:29:55 PM
We kind of lucky we have zero so far.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 08:30:15 PM
Ronald Moyes
David Koemanez....
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Robioto on August 27, 2017, 08:31:06 PM
Goodlass before the game saying he'd spoken to people within the club and suggests there will be big news this week with regards to transfers.

Who is Goodlass?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: penguinofdoom1878 on August 27, 2017, 08:31:38 PM
True but we don't even look like we have any sort of coherent threat. Even the dead balls have been lamentable.

Just turned up for our usual Stamford Bridge beating like the good, little 7th best team that we are.

Its not just this game that we have lacked coherent threat though.

7 Games 5 Goals so far this season. 17 shots on target (2.4 per game)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 08:31:38 PM

And fuck off with the Burnley shouts, they played most off the game against 10 men

They were against 10 men, like we did vs Man City... and still got outplayed.

No excuses, no matter what, this sort of performance is just not good enough.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Get the ball and for fucks sake do something with it.

Top class man-down-the-pub action.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Craig_1878 on August 27, 2017, 08:32:14 PM
Think some of you need to give your heads a wobble. Yes, we've been poor but we've played 3 times this week and we're playing the premier league champions. Hopefully we'll see a bit more fight in the second half but these little digs at Koeman are a bit pathetic.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 27, 2017, 08:32:28 PM


Haha no they didn't.

They set up like us and just come up against a team who's heads had completely gone.

We don't have the attacking options to 'have a go' at the moment.
What, so Sandro, Rooney and Siggurdson are not attacking options?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 08:32:34 PM
Kilbane mentioned Costa?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 27, 2017, 08:32:38 PM
Ronnie Goodlass
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 08:32:40 PM
Absolute meltdown in here. Get a grip people.

Tactically our wing backs are stuffed if there's a Chelsea player in front of them. They have to pass back. Then the ball goes to one of Davies or gana. They are outnumbered in midfield. Even if Sandro (coming back from injury) did make runs forward, were are never in a position for anyone to find him with a pass unless it's a punt from a wing back or the goalkeeper. I'd go 4-4-1-1 with Besic for Williams and move Davies to right midfield. Then try DCL later on if it's not working.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on August 27, 2017, 08:32:47 PM
I mean it's like everyone says this will be really tough after the week we've had before the game.

But then as soon as it turns out tone really tough it's a massive surprise?
More about the performance as oppose to the scoreline? Not just this game either, we've looked poor in an attacking sense in every game so far this season.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 08:32:52 PM
Off out (so you lot won't have to listen to me moaning)
Last point we'd be a better side and able to play further up the field if we were just lumping it at peter crouch today. Least that's a system. Least that would have the required elements
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 08:32:53 PM
Besic on
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:32:55 PM
besic looks like he would stab someone
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: MrWhite on August 27, 2017, 08:32:59 PM
You'd think it was a game of one half.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:33:00 PM
Top class man-down-the-pub action.

Well we look like a fucking pub team so it's not a bad shout.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:33:05 PM
Isn't that what Chelsea did vs Spurs last week?

Chelsea have the players to play the system well. We don't.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 27, 2017, 08:33:57 PM
Top class man-down-the-pub action.
So you're ok with the sideways and backwards passing then?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2017, 08:34:09 PM
3 at the back isn't working Koeman.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:34:16 PM
is that true, we have never won a prem match from 2-0 down?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on August 27, 2017, 08:35:03 PM
Changing a midfielder will definitely sort this.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 08:35:05 PM
is that true, we have never won a prem match from 2-0 down?

yep. history is on our side...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 08:35:18 PM
who went off for Besic?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 27, 2017, 08:35:47 PM
Koeman really needs to learn that our major problem is movement; players positioning, running into spaces, making themselves available when team mates are on the ball. We are one of the very worst teams for movement/intelligence in the league and it has been a major problem for a long while. We have a good squad, and yes we could do with utilising space, width, pace and generally mixing it up a bit, rather than Roberto like posession at the back until we lose it with a lump up the pitch. We honestly have to look at our coaching and be honest with ourselves that we are and will be miles away from the big 6 unless we really up our actual "footballing" tactical approach. Not just against the better teams but generally, we have to improve the way we play, not just how big the squad is.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:35:56 PM
yep. history is on our side...

grim
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 08:36:04 PM
What, so Sandro, Rooney and Siggurdson are not attacking options?
Not today
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 08:36:26 PM
besic looks like he would stab someone
At least you didn't say shoot someone
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 08:37:09 PM
Chelsea are pressing the fuck out of us because we don't have enough speed to test them.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:37:11 PM
I hope we sign a decent winger this week..
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:37:41 PM
Wow an attack!, it's all coming up Millhouse now.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 08:37:48 PM
More about the performance as oppose to the scoreline? Not just this game either, we've looked poor in an attacking sense in every game so far this season.

So why the surprise here then?

is this a game, given the week we've had, where it's like to be better?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:37:53 PM
Think some of you need to give your heads a wobble. Yes, we've been poor but we've played 3 times this week and we're playing the premier league champions. Hopefully we'll see a bit more fight in the second half but these little digs at Koeman are a bit pathetic.

i think your missing hte point,

we've been poor attacking wise all season. why keep inviting pressure? why have our midfielders/attack keep playing hte ball back to our defenders just for a punt upfront, which just invites more pressure.

wow we was  in their half!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 08:38:05 PM
Good play. Sandro is rusty as fuck
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 08:38:06 PM
Terrible effort that!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 08:38:17 PM
I blame the kit should have changed it at half time.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheTone on August 27, 2017, 08:38:23 PM
is that true, we have never won a prem match from 2-0 down?

beat west brom 3-2 after being 2 down didnt we?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Elgoodo1978 on August 27, 2017, 08:38:29 PM
Arghhhhhh! Why did'nt we start lined up like this! After bloody last year as well!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:38:31 PM
Atrocious attempted finish from Sandro. Might've troubled the corner flag.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:38:33 PM
 lolol soo another striker please.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 08:38:41 PM
That's very poor finish from Sandro.

That's when we need to be clinical. 2-1 would've been a huge difference at this stage in the half.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:38:43 PM
lol sandro ;/
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 08:39:04 PM
yep. history is on our side...

Is that at half time?

I mean it's only two but

1) the Wimbledon game

2) away at wba when Lukaku scored twice.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 08:39:38 PM
sandro should have scored...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 27, 2017, 08:39:41 PM
Well if we lose 2-0 it will probably be what we expected. Would be nice to have held out for longer to have felt like a point or three were possible but can see given the players we have available and the week we have had why we have look so poor.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 08:39:56 PM
Koeman really needs to learn that our major problem is movement; players positioning, running into spaces, making themselves available when team mates are on the ball. We are one of the very worst teams for movement/intelligence in the league and it has been a major problem for a long while. We have a good squad, and yes we could do with utilising space, width, pace and generally mixing it up a bit, rather than Roberto like posession at the back until we lose it with a lump up the pitch. We honestly have to look at our coaching and be honest with ourselves that we are and will be miles away from the big 6 unless we really up our actual "footballing" tactical approach. Not just against the better teams but generally, we have to improve the way we play, not just how big the squad is.
Perfect....
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:40:11 PM
No wonder he was only 5m....
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:40:39 PM
We've never looked comfortable playing this system under Koeman's yet we still continue to shoe horn players into it who look uncomfortable with doing what they're asked to do.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 08:40:44 PM
Is that at half time?

I mean it's only two but

1) the Wimbledon game

2) away at wba when Lukaku scored twice.

fair comment. memory lapse.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:40:47 PM
beat west brom 3-2 after being 2 down didnt we?

yep ur right, commentators at start of half said we never won from 2-0 down, west brom was away so cant even be i miss heard them say away from home
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 08:40:53 PM
Lookman or DCL for Sandro soon surely. He was only just passed fit and ain't at the races today clearly
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 08:41:23 PM
yep ur right, commentators at start of half said we never won from 2-0 down, west brom was away so cant even be i miss heard them say away from home

Think it will be at half time.

Wimbledon was 1-2 and wba 1-0.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ell Capitan on August 27, 2017, 08:41:41 PM
Where's the Sandro from the 3 minute highlights video on YouTube?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 08:42:16 PM
I think a lot of the problem is still the mental attitude. We dont approach games with a real 'we're here to win' approach.

It's always a 'we'll just settle into the game and see what happens'-style.

The one half we did look like we were there for business was the first-leg at home to H.Split... and went in 2-0 up, totally dominant.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on August 27, 2017, 08:42:46 PM
So who's looking forward to Spurs next week
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:42:47 PM
Think it will be at half time.

Wimbledon was 1-2 and wba 1-0.

maybe so, i wasnt paying full attention

grim stat that tho
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:43:09 PM
Disgraceful this.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:43:13 PM
is that true, we have never won a prem match from 2-0 down?

I don't think that's true. We've definitely won games from being 2-0 in the past 10 years.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:43:22 PM
Seen all of the top 6 play now (I think) and we're nowhere near any of them. Maybe Arsenal at a push but we'll just go to their gaff and surrender meekly if we get anywhere near them.

Liverpool can't defend admittedly but they play football from a different planet compared to this dross.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 08:43:25 PM
I think a lot of the problem is still the mental attitude. We dont approach games with a real 'we're here to win' approach.

It's always a 'we'll just settle into the game and see what happens'-style.

The one half we did look like we were there for business was the fist-leg at home to H.Split... and went in 2-0 up, totally dominant.

Yes but it's apples and oranges in terms of the situation though isn't it?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 08:43:38 PM
Why does the tinkerman mk2 have to change the system every bloody match. Here is a idea Ron get one system working correctly then worry about the alternatives. He still does not kno whis best formation or the players to fit in it. We are going round in circles.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:43:48 PM
Whys the commentator being a bad bellend to Kilbane?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:44:07 PM
So who's looking forward to Spurs next week

Hope we do play Spurs next week, we'll win by a hatful.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hill135 on August 27, 2017, 08:44:12 PM
absolutely painful watching these three cloggers have at the back playing in a back three. None have a clue what's required of them.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 08:44:16 PM
We are still paying backwards when we don't need to. Or ball retention from from goalkeeper kicks is predictable poor sou we kepi losing possession. Repeat and rinse etc
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:44:24 PM
I don't think that's true. We've definitely won games from being 2-0 in the past 10 years.

as someone said i think it was 2-0 at half time
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 08:45:13 PM
Disgraceful this.

i think 'disappointing' is a bit more apt. we are away to chelsea.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:45:25 PM
as someone said i think it was 2-0 at half time

Yeah, saw that after I posted.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 08:45:33 PM
Yes but it's apples and oranges in terms of the situation though isn't it?

This game yes, but all the other easier games have been the same.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 08:45:34 PM
We surely got to try DCL soon?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on August 27, 2017, 08:45:34 PM
all that will do is,  waste time, add extra passes, with out going forwards, the ball will inevitably  played back to the defense, or to the keeper, who will blast it up the pitch, conceding possession.
But we need it to stop boomeranging back at our defence without a single midfield man touching it .
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 08:45:52 PM
DCL and Lookman for Williams and Sandro, please.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 27, 2017, 08:46:08 PM
I think a lot of the problem is still the mental attitude. We dont approach games with a real 'we're here to win' approach.

It's always a 'we'll just settle into the game and see what happens'-style.

The one half we did look like we were there for business was the first-leg at home to H.Split... and went in 2-0 up, totally dominant.
It's also just that these teams are extremely good and even against each other rarely win away from home.

There probably is a mental block for us but the bigger part is that these teams are already better than us and have immaculate home records.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:46:14 PM
i think 'disappointing' is a bit more apt. we are away to chelsea.

Nah I think we've been disgraceful. We can't even pass the ball to our own players now.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
To play this system at least one of the back 5 needs to be comfortable on the ball and willing to move forwards, otherwise you're just camped in your own half. Which is what we see in this formation, every time we play it. Even Baines gets subdued as there is nothing ahead of him.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 08:47:10 PM
Don't think subs are going to make much difference it is partly the system and partly that yet again we just bypass midfield without moving up the pitch as a unit.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Trowel on August 27, 2017, 08:47:21 PM
Woeful. Williams at the heart of everything bad today.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
Our passing is woeful.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 27, 2017, 08:47:46 PM
Williams has been really poor
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:47:46 PM
not surprised no one else wanted Sandro.. how do i change my username??

*sarcasm*
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:48:18 PM
 shakeyheadman Why am I still watching this.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
well on usual form we should be playing well 2nd half but alas we are still shit

am not 100% sure Koeman knows what he is doing
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:48:27 PM
Any Chelsea players fancy a shot or a goal? Get in line lads, you'll get your chance in the shooting practice session that this has become.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ross on August 27, 2017, 08:48:50 PM
We're actually getting worse.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on August 27, 2017, 08:48:57 PM
Williams with a lovely touch to play Moses in there.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 27, 2017, 08:49:16 PM
We've been shit but a bit of perspective is required.  It's Chelsea away 72 hours after Croatia. We have loads of injuries and a first teamer suspended. We have also got first team players still trying to fit in.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 08:49:23 PM
It's also just that these teams are extremely good and even against each other rarely win away from home.

There probably is a mental block for us but the bigger part is that these teams are already better than us and have immaculate home records.

But as I said before, I can take getting beat by a better team. But we need to have a better attitude and attacking threat even in tough arena's.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 08:49:39 PM
As based as we've been, it's only 2-0, and we have been a little bit better this half.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:49:49 PM
Any Chelsea players fancy a shot or a goal? Get in line lads, you'll get your chance in the shooting practice session that this has become.


resigned to the fact, that ill get lots of points for my fantasy team as i got 3 chelsea defenders.. lol ;/ (to go with siggy,rooney,pickford)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 08:49:51 PM
This game yes, but all the other easier games have been the same.

City was fine for the opposition.

In midweek we were winning 2-0.

The Ruzomberok games were in pre season basically and stoke was down to the personnel in that formation.

It's obvious we need to be better but this isn't a fixture for charging around early on etc.

Whatever has or hasn't been right isn't likely to be fixed in this fixture.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: duncandisorderly on August 27, 2017, 08:50:09 PM


So why the surprise here then?

is this a game, given the week we've had, where it's like to be better?

Its not a suprise to me, where have I said I'm surprised? Why is the week we've had an excuse for this performance in the 3rd week of the season? What I'm saying is, from an attacking point of view, and I'm not just talking about today that we look really void of ideas. Rozumberok, Stoke, Hadjuk away, City games games we looked poor going forward.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:50:11 PM
As based as we've been, it's only 2-0, and we have been a little bit better this half.

Yeah, proper improvement on last season to be fair. We're getting better lads!.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
As based as we've been, it's only 2-0, and we have been a little bit better this half.

have we?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 08:50:45 PM
20 yo kid sent on to try and save us tells you everything.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 27, 2017, 08:50:51 PM
We can't use this three game son a week bullshit. We in Europe, it's going to happen, hopefully quite often.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 27, 2017, 08:51:00 PM
Just watch our lack of movement - look at our other players away from the actual ball holding player...

...then watch Chelsea players spring into life and criss cross all over the place when they have the ball.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:51:00 PM
We've been shit but a bit of perspective is required.  It's Chelsea away 72 hours after Croatia. We have loads of injuries and a first teamer suspended. We have also got first team players still trying to fit in.

This is Chelsea shorn of key players, and in a bit of disarray behind the scenes...thankfully.

If they'd been at full strength I dread to think what the score would be.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
None of us would have grumbled had we lost this match, third big away game in 6 days against Chelsea. The manner of this expected defeat though is pretty poor to say the least.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: D3blue on August 27, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
Big signing Sandro doesn't look up to much...disappointing
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:52:12 PM
-Pause > Forfeit game > Yes-
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
think its time to bring naisse out from the cold
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Silas on August 27, 2017, 08:53:14 PM
This is Chelsea shorn of key players, and in a bit of disarray behind the scenes...thankfully.

If they'd been at full strength I dread to think what the score would be.

A Chelsea shorn of players compared to Everton shorn of players though? Coleman, Bolasie and Schneiderlin huge misses in games like this.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 08:53:18 PM
We can't use this three game son a week bullshit. We in Europe, it's going to happen, hopefully quite often.
This is true
But on this occasion we played Monday instead of last weekend to make matters worse.
It shouldn't ever be an excuse but it is a factor
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:53:31 PM
None of us would have grumbled had we lost this match, third big away game in 6 days against Chelsea. The manner of this expected defeat though is pretty poor to say the least.

dont expect to win but expect us to at least have a go
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
DCL has that winner attitude the rest should be showing.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 08:54:14 PM
We can't use this three game son a week bullshit. We in Europe, it's going to happen, hopefully quite often.

We can't, but it's not every week we're playing the best teams in a row.

We have an unfit Sandro and Gana, and Sigurdsson who is basically using these first three games as his pre-season.

We have been awful, but we will play better. No need to spaz out just yet.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 08:54:43 PM
Big signing Sandro doesn't look up to much...disappointing

Going to need time. Only young and in a foreign country playing in a much different league with new players.

A bit ludicrous to get on individual players' backs at this stage. Koeman on the other hand is over a year in and still has us playing like relegation candidates against the Top 6, with his own players.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 08:54:54 PM
Big signing Sandro doesn't look up to much...disappointing
Clearly not match fit yet though
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 08:54:59 PM
Besic should have started,, going through the chelsea player, then both thumbs up.
classy,
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 27, 2017, 08:55:05 PM
20 yo kid sent on to try and save us tells you everything.
It used to be a 16 YO kid remember
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 08:55:52 PM
To top it all I hate that kit, it's tedious.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 08:55:56 PM
Koeman will come out with his generic It's all the players fault....
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 08:56:04 PM
Going to need time. Only young and in a foreign country playing in a much different league with new players.

A bit ludicrous to get on individual players' backs at this stage. Koeman on the other hand is over a year in and still has us playing like relegation candidates against the Top 6, with his own players.

Starting to get a bit bored of ol Ronald right now.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 08:56:12 PM
think its time to bring naisse out from the cold


Niasse has as much chance to get time on the pitch under Koeman as you or I do.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blue slug on August 27, 2017, 08:56:14 PM
Not watching game but the stats make for grim reading 0 shots on target after 67 minutes is woeful
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 08:56:16 PM
We can't use this three game son a week bullshit. We in Europe, it's going to happen, hopefully quite often.

Why would we need to get use to it?  Two games in a week yes. Three games in six days no.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:56:49 PM
Going to need time. Only young and in a foreign country playing in a much different league with new players.

A bit ludicrous to get on individual players' backs at this stage. Koeman on the other hand is over a year in and still has us playing like relegation candidates against the Top 6, with his own players.

Sad but true.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 08:57:03 PM
To top it all I hate that kit, it's tedious.

at least it isn't yellow, FFS!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2017, 08:57:37 PM
DCL should be starting every game in this form.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
Niasse has as much chance to get time on the pitch under Koeman as you or I do.

i know that, he cant have done any worse tho
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
Decent break - DCL making some of a difference at least
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
Why would we need to get use to it?  Two games in a week yes. Three games in six days no.

It's an argument that would hold water had we started brightly but degenerated into this later in the game. We didn't. We started like this from minute one, which means we can't give tiredness as an excuse.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Trowel on August 27, 2017, 08:58:31 PM
Well in DCL.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 27, 2017, 08:58:48 PM
We can't, but it's not every week we're playing the best teams in a row.

We have an unfit Sandro and Gana, and Sigurdsson who is basically using these first three games as his pre-season.

We have been awful, but we will play better. No need to spaz out just yet.



Plus a couple of addition by Thursday.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 08:58:52 PM
at least it isn't yellow, FFS!

Preferable to a kit that looks like it was white and then went in the dark wash by mistake.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hill135 on August 27, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
So does playing Thursday-Sunday effect league form or not? People flip-flopping like mad on the issue.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 08:59:50 PM
It used to be a 16 YO kid remember

Yeah but that was when we had no money and had to use him (and sell him).

We've bought a load of expensive players but DCL is still showing more than most of them.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 09:00:07 PM
DCL has that winner attitude the rest should be showing.


What?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 09:00:37 PM
So does playing Thursday-Sunday effect league form or not? People flip-flopping like mad on the issue.

I don't think we can start using that argument for us yet. It's happened once so far.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:01:16 PM
Running the clock out, they know I had 0-2 in Prediction League!  :D
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 09:01:25 PM
Rooney has been shit today.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 09:01:38 PM
So does playing Thursday-Sunday effect league form or not? People flip-flopping like mad on the issue.

Maybe the Monday Thursday Sunday has in this case. All away games too.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Confucius on August 27, 2017, 09:01:48 PM
Baines has been shocking. Gets the ball in space and immediately looks for the diagonal... backwards.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 09:02:00 PM
My mate says Barry is playing great for West Brom ...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 09:02:28 PM
No width at all. Then trying to play through a 3-4-3 formation.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on August 27, 2017, 09:02:38 PM
Tracking the game from hospital via this thread, and for fucks sake theres some bad cranks coming out today.  Turn off your tellies and go and enjoy the sunshine ffs.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on August 27, 2017, 09:02:44 PM
I thought last season Koeman had no tactics and no real game plan . I am even more convinced of it after the performances so far this season . Irrespective of the players on the pitch and the money spent we look a load of wank .
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 09:03:15 PM

What?

Fearless and looks like he believes he can compete and get something out of the game.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:03:34 PM
My mate says Barry is playing great for West Brom ...

Gonna be alone at the top of the Table, too.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 09:03:42 PM
Although this is boring as fuck, would we not have taken/expected the results from this week.

You can tell Ron likes his golf a PAR score.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 09:04:38 PM
Tracking the game from hospital via this thread, and for fucks sake theres some bad cranks coming out today.  Turn off your tellies and go and enjoy the sunshine ffs.

Be glad you haven't been subjected to it. Lamest of lame surrenders against a pretty average Chelsea.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ynotd on August 27, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
Mo Besic's dad has more shots on target than us
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 09:05:56 PM
Tracking the game from hospital via this thread, and for fucks sake theres some bad cranks coming out today.  Turn off your tellies and go and enjoy the sunshine ffs.

You are judging us and you're not watching it, is it a mental hospital?.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 09:06:19 PM
Gonna be alone at the top of the Table, too.

1-1 Crouch
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on August 27, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Gonna be alone at the top of the Table, too.
Think Lukaku will say hey
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Both sides seem content with the scoreline now.  Dull as dishwater.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 09:06:41 PM
Mo Besic's dad has more shots on target than us

Reply of the day.  :badum:
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 09:06:42 PM
Although this is boring as fuck, would we not have taken/expected the results from this week.

You can tell Ron likes his golf a PAR score.

nothing to do with results its the performance, we just havent turned up

none of the top 6 would accept this performance

is it still only 2 touches in there box and 0 shots on target?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 27, 2017, 09:06:44 PM
Although this is boring as fuck, would we not have taken/expected the results from this week.

You can tell Ron likes his golf a PAR score.
It's not just the results, it's the way we've played in them.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:06:54 PM
Think Lukaku will say hey

and of course WBA conceded immediately.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
I do worry a little that Koeman's instruction to Walsh last season was basically 'find me some players who have great goals and assist stats' and he just thinks by throwing them all together we can somehow fashion a system and they'll all hopefully carry on where they left off.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hill135 on August 27, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
fuck off jags you fat clogger
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 09:08:12 PM
Need a canter half.

Jags and Williams are allergic to passing the ball forwards.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
I thought last season Koeman had no tactics and no real game plan . I am even more convinced of it after the performances so far this season . Irrespective of the players on the pitch and the money spent we look a load of wank .
Unfortunately looking more and more to be true, looks like our good moments are nothing to do with him either, this is utter ....
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheRam on August 27, 2017, 09:08:46 PM
I do worry a little that Koeman's instruction to Walsh last season was basically 'find me some players who have great goals and assist stats' and he just thinks by throwing them all together we can somehow fashion a system and they'll all hopefully carry on where they left off.



Been my worry for a while this.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hill135 on August 27, 2017, 09:08:56 PM
Need a canter half.

Jags and Williams are allergic to passing the ball forwards.



Or even to their team mates
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 09:09:34 PM
Need a canter half.

Jags and Williams are allergic to passing the ball forwards.




Neigh good is it.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 09:09:37 PM
It's not just the results, it's the way we've played in them.

True don't get me wrong I am not condoning the performances just pointing out that Ron is turning out to be a safe pair of hands rather than bringing anything new or exciting.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on August 27, 2017, 09:09:45 PM
Err... why is Rooney taking that free kick?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
Why would we need to get use to it?  Two games in a week yes. Three games in six days no.

With City and Chelsea away at each end of it.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Chrisknms on August 27, 2017, 09:09:58 PM
we look mentally tired, every player is 0.5 secs slower in the head.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 09:10:06 PM
commentators are ripping the back out of us
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 09:10:07 PM
Shameful that their keeper doesnt deserve a match rating as he'd literally had nothing to do.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 09:10:26 PM
Neigh good is it.

Careful @TheRam (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1602) hates horsing around like this.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 27, 2017, 09:10:41 PM
Need a canter half.

Jags and Williams are allergic to passing the ball forwards.



This is a huge issue that needs addressing.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:10:47 PM
Err... why is Rooney taking that free kick?

everything is just wrong today
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueMaquis on August 27, 2017, 09:10:52 PM
Conte seems to have an awful lot to tell his players at 2-0 up, yet Koeman apparently thinks our hapless players are doing fine as he stands with his arms folded.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 09:10:54 PM
I do worry a little that Koeman's instruction to Walsh last season was basically 'find me some players who have great goals and assist stats' and he just thinks by throwing them all together we can somehow fashion a system and they'll all hopefully carry on where they left off.

I think he was probably expecting that it might take while for a team with over half a new starting 11 to gel
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 09:11:11 PM
Need a canter half.

Jags and Williams are allergic to passing the ball forwards.



Must be contagious because Baines has a heavy dose as well (speaking as someone who loves him)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 09:11:17 PM
I do worry a little that Koeman's instruction to Walsh last season was basically 'find me some players who have great goals and assist stats' and he just thinks by throwing them all together we can somehow fashion a system and they'll all hopefully carry on where they left off.

Seems very naive like he has played to much FM17 or something. Every team needs that blend.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 09:11:42 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS





























a corner.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 09:11:52 PM
Err... why is Rooney taking that free kick?
Decent free kick mind, shame we didn't get on the end of it
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 09:11:55 PM
83 mins we have a corner !
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:12:15 PM
surprised we didn't take the corner short and play it to the flag
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 09:12:45 PM
Fuck Williams shit either end of the pitch.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 09:13:23 PM
starting to think Martinez wasn't so bad
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 09:13:31 PM
Can see why we bought Sig though. His delivery is excellent.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 27, 2017, 09:14:11 PM
starting to think Martinez wasn't so bad

Things aren't that bad surely?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 09:14:52 PM
starting to think Martinez wasn't so bad

No he was awful and incompetent. Let's not rewrite history.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:15:22 PM
showing a little pride in wearing the shirt since Lennon's been on, at least
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 09:15:27 PM
No he was awful and incompetent. Let's not rewrite history.

Martinez did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 09:15:28 PM
No he was awful and incompetent. Let's not rewrite history.

Have we taken that statue down yet?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
Well, we could have had a couple the past 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
No he was awful and incompetent. Let's not rewrite history.

and Koeman's still excellent even if he deserves criticism for 3 at the back v. Chelsea today
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on August 27, 2017, 09:16:30 PM
I do worry a little that Koeman's instruction to Walsh last season was basically 'find me some players who have great goals and assist stats' and he just thinks by throwing them all together we can somehow fashion a system and they'll all hopefully carry on where they left off.
Been well documented but crying out for a target man to hold it all together. Absolutely integral to how his teams play (admittedly I've only ever watched his Southampton and Twente teams).
That's apparent today too, although I'm just as concerned with the midfield.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 09:16:31 PM
No he was awful and incompetent. Let's not rewrite history.

what part of "awful and incompetent" does not relate to this display?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 09:16:56 PM
Siggy best shoot from the free kick, near post looks unguarded.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 09:17:20 PM
commentator saying we're doing better than last season.

cold comfort...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 09:17:20 PM
showing a little pride in wearing the shirt since Lennon's been on, at least

Exactly. Him and DCL look like they believe they can get something. Putting the rest to shame.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 09:17:54 PM
Things aren't that bad surely?

are you watching?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: bluestevie on August 27, 2017, 09:17:59 PM
starting to think Martinez wasn't so bad

Get them thoughts right out your head, make no mistake today has been bad, truly bad but that clown was far worse
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on August 27, 2017, 09:18:19 PM
Just when you think things can't get any worse, a Koeman v. Martinez debate comes along.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 27, 2017, 09:18:58 PM
wish we could start again with DCL up top instead of Sandro.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 09:19:13 PM
Not long left now
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:19:28 PM
what a tackle by Mo!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 09:19:44 PM
wish we could start again with DCL up top instead of Sandro.

Was a strange decision to start with an unfit player over a more in form player.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: MrWhite on August 27, 2017, 09:19:48 PM
It's a shame it's taken us until the 80th minute to figure out how to play against these.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 09:19:53 PM
Just when you think things can't get any worse, a Koeman v. Martinez debate comes along.

they are both shit, one of them is ginger tho
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 09:20:02 PM
Well, we could have had a couple the past 10 minutes.

Imagine we'd had some sort of bravery and ambition from the start. Makes the performance even worse in my eyes, when you see that we could've caused them serious problems if we'd had the right set-up and not been mentally weak.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 09:20:15 PM
what a tackle by Mo!
Yep nice that
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: plowman2 on August 27, 2017, 09:20:29 PM
Not really wanting to defend Koeman after the last 3 games, but Chelsea have played a lot less football last couple of weeks and I suppose we have to wait till the window closes.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Everton Mint on August 27, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
Pitiful.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Shogun on August 27, 2017, 09:20:59 PM
Easiest game they'll have all season
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Tinga on August 27, 2017, 09:21:20 PM
Well that was fun lads, see you next week eh.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 09:21:21 PM
Imagine we'd had some sort of bravery and ambition from the start. Makes the performance even worse in my eyes, when you see that we could've caused them serious problems if we'd had the right set-up and not been mentally weak.

Chelsea didn't let us at first though. They were all over us.

Oh well, game over, can regroup and rest the players for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 09:21:34 PM
Exactly. Him and DCL look like they believe they can get something. Putting the rest to shame.

Or they're fresh as they've come on as subs?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:21:54 PM
It's a positive development that the commentators say they expected more from Everton, and still suspect we will show better over the course of the season.  No condescending pats on the head for only losing by 2 instead of 5.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: kramer0 on August 27, 2017, 09:22:24 PM
A lot healthier for the goal differential than last season's showing.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on August 27, 2017, 09:22:27 PM
Any half decent mid table team could have got a draw at City on Monday night, flew to Croatia on the Wednesday played a hard game on Thursday, flew back on Friday, travelled to London on Saturday and given a scintillating performance in an early KO at the champions Chelsea on Sunday. Sarcasm doesn't always suit me, but it fits OK here.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blob on August 27, 2017, 09:22:28 PM
...and that's a wrap :(
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 09:22:45 PM
and Koeman's still excellent even if he deserves criticism for 3 at the back v. Chelsea today


Think excellent might be overstating it
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 09:23:39 PM
Poor that
No hiding from it.
That said 3 away games in six days, missing key players and playing against arguably the best team in the league. It was almost expected, shoddy but expected.
Let's get players back, players in, rest and get the fuck at Spurs
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 27, 2017, 09:23:55 PM
I think my full time opinion can be summed up in one word... ouch!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Polledreng on August 27, 2017, 09:24:09 PM
wish we could start again with DCL up top instead of Sandro.
Think he deserves you make a namechange
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:24:47 PM
Yep nice that

He's answered lots of questions in the past few weeks.  Today, with the family issues weighing on his mind, he played a full half of whistle-clean defense.  No lapses of judgment or positioning that I saw, whatsoever.  Very heady, brave performance by Mo.

Again, he really wants to be part of Everton, and I think he belongs in the squad.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on August 27, 2017, 09:25:02 PM
Williams ,as poor as he was ,could have had 2 goals near the end.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: velimski on August 27, 2017, 09:25:16 PM
Played better in the 2nd half. DCL is a handful.

Highlight of the day was having a couple of beers with @Eddie (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3296) .
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: cantoffee on August 27, 2017, 09:25:34 PM
Shocked that people think this result means we are shit.

We looked poor but we were away to one of the best teams in the league without some key players.

Yes we could have had more ambition but I'm not sure it would have changed anything.

We looked better for the last 10 minutes but it's likely that they had taken their foot off the gas slightly.

That being said, DCL should have started given what he brings to the squad in a game like this. Pushed them back and is a huge nuisance to play against. Helps to open up more space for the midfield.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 27, 2017, 09:25:47 PM
He's answered lots of questions in the past few weeks.  Today, with the family issues weighing on his mind, he played a full half of whistle-clean defense.  No lapses of judgment or positioning that I saw, whatsoever.  Very heady, brave performance by Mo.

Again, he really wants to be part of Everton, and I think he belongs in the squad.
If he stays fit I still think he has a big future
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on August 27, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
Get stuck into the transfer window Ronnie before it closes
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 09:26:45 PM
Or they're fresh as they've come on as subs?

The 1st 11 were fresh at the start of the game. There was still no intensity to the play from the off. Just a back 8 and let's hope for the best.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: D3blue on August 27, 2017, 09:27:53 PM
A poor poor performance...a lack of belief...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ramjam on August 27, 2017, 09:28:06 PM
Probably the worst performance from Davies but he's being asked to play all over the fuckin place
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueski on August 27, 2017, 09:28:30 PM
Well maybe that cements it that we need some players in - hopefully this at least makes that clear to the board
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Waltzer on August 27, 2017, 09:28:37 PM
Williams ,as poor as he was ,could have had 2 goals near the end.

Surely that means its even worst?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 09:33:06 PM
That was Chelsea at 50-60%. Nowhere near last season's levels. Dream fixture for them to play our lads, who looked like a bunch of school children excited to get a go on the Stamford Bridge pitch.

Hope 7th gets us back in the Europa again.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: D3blue on August 27, 2017, 09:33:13 PM
Clearly not match fit yet though
Maybe....in that case he shouldn't be starting


Exactly. Him and DCL look like they believe they can get something. Putting the rest to shame.

This is a huge issue that needs addressing.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
Shocked that people think this result means we are shit.

We looked poor but we were away to one of the best teams in the league without some key players.

Yes we could have had more ambition but I'm not sure it would have changed anything.

We looked better for the last 10 minutes but it's likely that they had taken their foot off the gas slightly.

That being said, DCL should have started given what he brings to the squad in a game like this. Pushed them back and is a huge nuisance to play against. Helps to open up more space for the midfield.

We are shit going forwards and there's not a single performance this season that has suggested otherwise. It's us or Leicester for 7th. That's not shit but we are a million miles off the top 6
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 27, 2017, 09:34:24 PM
Few tips for you Ronald lid

- 4 at the back please not 5
- Jags and Williams need to be 2nd/3rd choice so get your left footed defender - in THIS window. One that can pass more than 5 yards would help, to a team mate preferrably.
- We need to spend 40+ million on either a young very good striker, or an older very very good striker - in THIS window
- Can we ask our players not to fanny around at the back Martinesque like and to actually move and receive the ball
- Try mixing it up just a teeny bit, theres nothing wrong with a ball into space or over the top, if players have a reasonable chance of getting there. Assuming they arent static, as you normally allow. Shout from the touchline, move your men about like a coach.
- Tell the players not to shit themselves and panic every time they are closed down, and about to give the ball away; tell their team mates to make a pass available to them, and play on the space that the opposition player has left, closing the player on the ball down - rather than flapping and losing posession.
- DCL is better than Sandro, he has to start before him, if we havent got another striker.
- Give Kev/Lennon more than 7 minutes if we are losing
- Say 10 hail marys, 5 our fathers and a glory be, that Coleman and Bolasie hit the ground running when they eventually are fit.
- Take some responsibility yourself for our style of play, or rather, lack of.

Other than that fella. Great job.

...and welcome again to Thursday/Sunday football.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: bigac on August 27, 2017, 09:34:26 PM
Nothing positive happening in the midfield.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 09:34:39 PM
So based on our performances so far under Koeman, 4-0, then 2-0, I expect 1-0 next time, then 0.5-0, 0.25-0, 0.125-0.

Basically we're not winning there anytime soon.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 09:36:28 PM
We are shit going forwards and there's not a single performance this season that has suggested otherwise. It's us or Leicester for 7th. That's not shit but we are a million miles off the top 6

First half against Hadjuk Split at home was pretty good.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 09:36:31 PM
So based on our performances so far under Koeman, 4-0, then 2-0, I expect 1-0 next time, then 0.5-0, 0.25-0, 0.125-0.

Basically we're not winning there anytime soon.

Thought it was five last year?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:36:35 PM
I think Sandro is plenty good, we just rushed him back.  He wasn't fit, and probably shouldn't have played until after the international break.

Speaking of...UGH, fuck international breaks!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: pedrotheblue on August 27, 2017, 09:36:41 PM
Bottom line is we have almost no attacking threat whatsoever, it was known all last season  Rom would be off and to have no one lined up to replace him is amateurish.

Wtf is Walsh being paid for if not to identify targets?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Redartin on August 27, 2017, 09:36:44 PM
Shocked that people think this result means we are shit.

We looked poor but we were away to one of the best teams in the league without some key players.

We looked better for the last 10 minutes but it's likely that they had taken their foot off the gas slightly.

They had no Costa, no Cahill, no Hazzard. They are also allegedly in crisis. The fact that we only started to play in the 80th minute also contradicts the tiredness theory, if anything we should have died as the game progressed. Think we have to accept that 130m later the gap hasn't closed that much.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: john e on August 27, 2017, 09:37:05 PM
Don't like pointing the finger at any Everton player BUT  lolol  We need to get rid of Williams, he is shite today, shite on Thursday and shite last weekend, right back to norm  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:37:59 PM

Think excellent might be overstating it

No, I think he's been excellent for us.  He just has stubborn streaks and blind spots, like all football managers do.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 09:38:08 PM
They had no Costa, no Cahill, no Hazzard. They are also allegedly in crisis. The fact that we only started to play in the 80th minute also contradicts the tiredness theory, if anything we should have died as the game progressed. Think we have to accept that 130m later the gap hasn't closed that much.

Or from the shower that Martinez left us it has cost 140m to just stand still.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 09:39:06 PM
We're would have been pumped even if Costa was playing for us. The main personnel issues in that game were our cart horse defenders and missing Schneiderlein.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 09:39:18 PM
Thought it was five last year?

Ha, I'd forgotten if so. Still ends in a 0 though :)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Redartin on August 27, 2017, 09:39:20 PM
First half against Hadjuk Split at home was pretty good.
But they are not in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 09:40:12 PM
The Shite will tear us a new 3foot wide arse hole...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 27, 2017, 09:40:31 PM
Or from the shower that Martinez left us it has cost 140m to just stand still.

So you expect instant results?  It doesn't work like that.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 09:40:43 PM
First half against Hadjuk Split at home was pretty good.

1 half against a side who probably really aren't very good. We've toiled every other half we've played this season. The city attacking performance was pretty dreadful considering they only had 10 men

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 09:41:33 PM
But they are not in the Premier League.

Does that game not count as this season then? Are we only fashioning an argument based on selective facts?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueBeagle on August 27, 2017, 09:41:47 PM
Think we have to accept that 130m later the gap hasn't closed that much.

Thought that was pretty much just universally accepted already?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 09:42:26 PM
They had no Costa, no Cahill, no Hazzard. They are also allegedly in crisis. The fact that we only started to play in the 80th minute also contradicts the tiredness theory, if anything we should have died as the game progressed. Think we have to accept that 130m later the gap hasn't closed that much.

They've got their costa replacement playing.

Cahill is being filled in for by good a good player.

Hazard yes.

They're also at home, not played in the week and are, obviously better than us.

Behind the scenes turmoil seems a bit over blown given that they nearly came from 0-3 down with ten men in the first week and won at Spurs last week.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:44:21 PM
I have moderated my opinion on Ashley Williams.  He's a decent, useful player.  That said:

1) One should not play him 90 minutes on Thursday, then again on Sunday.  He's too old for that.

2) He is generally not effective in a 3-at-the-back formation.

Losing Funes Mori really hurts because it forces Williams to play too many "depth" minutes, and because Funes Mori was actually quite good as a LCB in the 3-at-the-back (just not really anywhere else).  Would have made a fine specialty player for us that way.

Once Seamus comes back, we need to get Holgate minutes alongside Keane, because his physicality and poise absolutely belong on the pitch.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:45:31 PM
Gana getting a yellow in the 9th minute didn't help matters any, either.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lincs Toffee on August 27, 2017, 09:45:42 PM
I'm fed up with reading this crap on here that we are shite, today yes was a crap performance but with half our first team out almost some only in their second game of the season and others not fit what are you to expect against a well drilled team like Chelsea with quality in bucket loads , we are knackered and still trying to gel as a team too, give them a break we will come good and we will compete against the best when we are at our best!

Right I'm going to light the BBQ !!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Redartin on August 27, 2017, 09:46:11 PM
Or from the shower that Martinez left us it has cost 140m to just stand still.
One of those Shit Martinez shower hasn't been replaced yet, you know that useless tit we offloaded to United.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 27, 2017, 09:46:43 PM
I would seriously consider Galloway and Holgate before Jags and Williams at least they can pass more than 5 yards.

EDIT: that was a bit tongue in cheek, Im just pissed off with the shit style of football we are playing, especially us panicking and playing extra shit against the top teams 9 times out of 10. Something needs to change on the training ground, and soon.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:48:25 PM
One of those Shit Martinez shower hasn't been replaced yet, you know that useless tit we offloaded to United.

United have been a wrecking ball with him in the XI, too.  Still can't believe people didn't think he'd be a superstar/elevate his side when surrounded by anything approaching a proper squad.  Had he stayed one more season with us, fuck me, we'd be title contenders.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Omar on August 27, 2017, 09:49:00 PM
They've got their costa replacement playing.

Cahill is being filled in for by good a good player.

Hazard yes.

They're also at home, not played in the week and are, obviously better than us.

Behind the scenes turmoil seems a bit over blown given that they nearly came from 0-3 down with ten men in the first week and won at Spurs last week.

this is true, last season 5-0, this season 2-0 without a few starters, without our business being finished, with playing 3 games in 6 days.

Take a deep breath, lids.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: gizzblue on August 27, 2017, 09:50:39 PM
what part of "awful and incompetent" does not relate to this display?
This is one game display.. Martinez rhetoric shite did this an entire season .but we're phenomenal. 😅😅allegedly .
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 09:50:41 PM
Re the money we've spent this year...

Keane, Pickford and Rooney have done well so far, generally, yes?

Of the rest, Klaassen is now injured, Sandro has just come back and Sigurdsson has barely played.

We're 3 games into the league season where we've played more hard away games than anyone else (just ahead of Leicester), one of which we were 8 minutes and a poor mistake away from winning.

Big area for improvement is ball retention.

I'd expect this to improve a) if Schneiderlin is there b) when more of the new attacking signing have played more and got used to each other and c) IF we sign a target man.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 09:50:51 PM
United have been a wrecking ball with him in the XI, too.  Still can't believe people didn't think he'd be a superstar/elevate his side when surrounded by anything approaching a proper squad.  Had he stayed one more season with us, fuck me, we'd be title contenders.

We really wouldn't
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: bigac on August 27, 2017, 09:51:43 PM
Or from the shower that Martinez left us it has cost 140m to just stand still.

That unfortunately appears to be the sad truth.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 09:52:43 PM
Can anyone really defend signing rooney Sigurdsson and Klassen? Not individually but in terms of signing all 3. Assuming we don't sign a playmaker, a winger and a targetman (which isn't going to happen)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: brap2 on August 27, 2017, 09:53:40 PM
Quite simply outclassed in every aspect of the game.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 09:54:39 PM
ok so is it fine to get bummed by spurs and united too, is it only when bournmouth bum us we can start to ask questions?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 09:56:17 PM
Can anyone really defend signing rooney Sigurdsson and Klassen? Not individually but in terms of signing all 3. Assuming we don't sign a playmaker, a winger and a targetman (which isn't going to happen)

I'm going to give it more than the 0 games they've played together.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 09:57:01 PM
Can anyone really defend signing rooney Sigurdsson and Klassen? Not individually but in terms of signing all 3. Assuming we don't sign a playmaker, a winger and a targetman (which isn't going to happen)

I mean, I don't think we signed them all INSTEAD of anyone else.  I have yet to see how they are surplus/ballast, given all the matches we have to play.  Options are important.

Seems to me like this would work together nicely had Sandro been healthy and we signed Giroud (as we seemingly expected).  Assuming Slimani is the Plan B, we shall see how that goes.

And yes, put Romelu on this Everton squad, sign MAYBE one more CB, and I would give us almost even odds with Chelsea and City for the title.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 09:57:29 PM
ok so is it fine to get bummed by spurs and united too, is it only when bournmouth bum us we can start to ask questions?

No I'd expect to have s good chance of beating Spurs.

Utd will be difficult as we've been to Italy in between the games.

We have to get used to the 3 games in a week but they're not all against top 6 with both weekend games away.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: hannu on August 27, 2017, 09:57:37 PM
Can anyone really defend signing rooney Sigurdsson and Klassen? Not individually but in terms of signing all 3. Assuming we don't sign a playmaker, a winger and a targetman (which isn't going to happen)

let u work that one out for urself

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 09:58:44 PM
I'm going to give it more than the 0 games they've played together.

Haha. He's had you there MLT. Accept defeat.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 27, 2017, 09:59:11 PM
Rooney is more than just about football, but he was one of our better players today, if only he had an intelligent runner or two more today. He only has a year or two in his legs, so dont worry about Rooney. Though, I would think his best position for us would be on the actual coaching staff, and sacking what coaches are teaching our players to stand still and expect miracles.
Klaassen is ok, and would have probably done ok today, with his energy up and down and tidy play - it is a squad game and didnt cost a fortune, so nothing to fret about there.
If we get one or two in the right positions and actually start playing football rather than static ball, we will be ok, Chelsea are an awesome team. Panick over, break and over to Spurs!

Oh look Liverpool are playing. Sky normally cut to the adverts about now, but no, lets just have 2 minues of the Celtic anthem and flag waving. Cunts.

Come on Arsenal!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 09:59:28 PM
I'm going to give it more than the 0 games they've played together.

It's not so much what they do. It's about what we needed. I'm not having we needed all 3 over a targetman, winger or playmaker
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 09:59:41 PM
So you expect instant results?  It doesn't work like that.
We're no nearer becoming a top 6 side though are we, really? We've cleared out some dross, shored up at the back and we've now got numbers and a better squad as a whole but we're still lacking quality in a number of areas to become a top side. We've spent a lot of money to effectively cement our place as best of the rest but no-one could say with any confidence that we'll bridge the gap to the sides above us. Of course it may all click after the international break but you wouldn't put big money on it, absent some pretty major signings the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 10:00:38 PM
let u work that one out for urself




Jesus god help us if that's the case
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on August 27, 2017, 10:01:02 PM
if we'd kept Lukaku's threat / goals  then we'd be looking really, really good this season

that wasn't in our control though
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 10:01:49 PM
Haha. He's had you there MLT. Accept defeat.

Not really. Playing 3 players without pace or width in attacking positions with a targetman (assuming we sign 1) really isn't going to help matters
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Macca77 on August 27, 2017, 10:03:55 PM
Getting beat by the current champions at the current champions ground

Fuck off Everton
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 10:04:36 PM
Klaassen and Sigurdsson make plays.  And Rooney cost basically nothing, and has been very, very good.  I've admitted I was very wrong about him.

We simply haven't had any good opportunities to actually acquire said target man or winger.  Koeman is definitely uber-eager to acquire the former.  I am not certain he much cares for pure "winger" types as they tend to have traits that irritate him and/or don't suit his style of play.  But he will surely play Bolasie plenty when he returns.  Nobody of his caliber has been available.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 10:06:43 PM
if we'd kept Lukaku's threat / goals  then we'd be looking really, really good this season

that wasn't in our control though

Giroud would have approximated that enough in the short-term to get by.  That really hurt.  But yeah, Lukaku himself in this squad would be perfect.  It would be a true contender, I have zero doubt.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: mikey_blue on August 27, 2017, 10:08:43 PM
Going into melt-down over getting beat by Chelsea in our 3rd hard away game in a row. we got beat 5-0 last time. 100% progress.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 10:09:27 PM
Klaassen and Sigurdsson make plays.  And Rooney cost basically nothing, and has been very, very good.  I've admitted I was very wrong about him.

We simply haven't had any good opportunities to actually acquire said target man or winger.  Koeman is definitely uber-eager to acquire the former.  I am not certain he much cares for pure "winger" types as they tend to have traits that irritate him and/or don't suit his style of play.  But he will surely play Bolasie plenty when he returns.  Nobody of his caliber has been available.

Has rooney been very very good? He's scored a couple of goals and played quite well in spells. Much better than I expected I'll admit but he's not done much special
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Simon Paul on August 27, 2017, 10:10:14 PM
Going into melt-down over getting beat by Chelsea in our 3rd hard away game in a row. we got beat 5-0 last time. 100% progress.

no

100% progress would have been winning 5-0

losing 2-0 is slight progress
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 10:12:28 PM
A lot of this is about mentality. The shite will go to Chelsea for example and think they can get something. Not just this season but in general. There is something inherent in us that thinks we'd be lucky to get a draw at such a place and we set up with that mindset. I'm all for being realistic and knowing that games at the top 6 will be tough but let's not walk out holding the white flag and wait to get pummelled.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 27, 2017, 10:13:55 PM
Has rooney been very very good? He's scored a couple of goals and played quite well in spells. Much better than I expected I'll admit but he's not done much special

To be honest I clicked like by mistake so now I'd better say something :tongue:

IMO Rooney has been the hearbeat of the team up until now, without being great, just very good.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on August 27, 2017, 10:19:41 PM
Just wait till Sunderland knock us out of the Cup for meltdown .
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 10:22:32 PM
To be honest I clicked like by mistake so now I'd better say something :tongue:

IMO Rooney has been the hearbeat of the team up until now, without being great, just very good.

He's been decent in what's been a pretty poor attack so far. Possibly the best attacker but I'm not sure how much that says.

To be honest I've not got a problem with his performences or in fact any individuals. The problem is they can't form a quality attack together.

Hes not been very very good though. Second half against Stoke maybe but not the rest of the time
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 10:24:08 PM
We were very poor today.  Fortunate Chelsea aren't in 5th gear yet, and that they kept on cruise control after getting their 2nd.

But in the bigger picture, just one match and not the apocalypse.  Need to learn from it, improve and move on.  4 points and -1 GD is acceptable after the 3 matches and our schedule/travel burden.  But can't sing from that hymnal all season.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on August 27, 2017, 10:24:34 PM
Chelsea were never going to lose two games at home on the trott. You have to be realistic, Koeman is trying to plug the huge gap that Martinez left with all that shit he instilled at the club.

We are not at the level of Chelsea with the quality they can attract and spend, perhaps one day, but not now. Let the club bring in another 2-3 players before the window shuts and then judge the club before having melt downs.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 27, 2017, 10:26:47 PM
Nothing positive happening in the midfield.
Rephrase it to ' nothing happening in midfield'.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 27, 2017, 10:28:15 PM
Not really. Playing 3 players without pace or width in attacking positions with a targetman (assuming we sign 1) really isn't going to help matters

They're players who will get around the target man.

The full back with provide the width by the touch line generally.

But I'd also expect Sigurdsson and Rooney in particular to drift into the best positions. Where the space will be.

It's easier to get up the pitch and out wide if you have good possession in the final 3rd.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2017, 10:29:05 PM
It's the manner of our play that is worrying.

Three CB's, two of which are awful on the ball, and not even Keane seems to want to carry it forward, which is a problem if you play 3 CB's; this also means we get outnumbered in midfield.

Hardly any movement off the ball, no pass and move, which is essential if you don't have any speedy or direct players, which we don't, apart from Lennon, who looked bright when he came on.

Our average of three shots on target per game is also awful; you can come through that if you have a finisher as accurate as Lukaku, but again we don't.

Allowing Barry to leave will be an awful decision if we don't get a midfield fulcrum in who can dictate play and challenge Schneiderlin.

Minimal energy and hussle displayed today, too, although this could be attributed to three away games in six days.

We need a CF, Winger, DCM, and a CB if we want to rise above 7th and/or challenge in the cups.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Goaljira on August 27, 2017, 10:31:27 PM
You are judging us and you're not watching it, is it a mental hospital?.

Or maybe its about realising theres more important things in life and if youve got the chance to sit outside in the sun with your friends/family then do that whilst you can instead of getting ridiculously agitated about something that was very likely to happen.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 27, 2017, 10:32:21 PM
He's been decent in what's been a pretty poor attack so far. Possibly the best attacker but I'm not sure how much that says.

To be honest I've not got a problem with his performences or in fact any individuals. The problem is they can't form a quality attack together.

Hes not been very very good though. Second half against Stoke maybe but not the rest of the time

There was chat earlier in this thread of DCL (and Lennon) playing like they wanted to win. I reckon Wayne has done that every match.

He's scored against Stoke, also started the move that created a goal for him. Assist at Hajduk Split, scored against City.

In addition he actually seems to set the tempo for us, more to come from him I hope because I agree there is room for improvement, mostly in finishing when he's got into good positions.

I'm not in complete disagreement :)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: bigac on August 27, 2017, 10:32:54 PM
Got to scrap this 5 at the back system. Its not a donkey sanctuary.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Ravardo on August 27, 2017, 10:36:32 PM
Its been a shite day all round first weve been linked troy deeney,, lost to chelsea and being with linked with fecking ashley young...can it get any worse?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2017, 10:37:11 PM
Tell you what, I reckon that Ross Barkley could do a job for us.

I hope we get him.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: plowman2 on August 27, 2017, 10:37:16 PM
Still blaming Martinez is lame. Koeman has had a full season, three transfer windows and a lot of money to put things right. If he hasn't yet, which might prove to have once the season starts properly, then that's not Martinez's fault.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 27, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
They're players who will get around the target man.

The full back with provide the width by the touch line generally.

But I'd also expect Sigurdsson and Rooney in particular to drift into the best positions. Where the space will be.

It's easier to get up the pitch and out wide if you have good possession in the final 3rd.

Not convinced with Baines as an attacking threat anymore

I think we are relying on Coleman, Bolasie and lookman. We shouldn't be relying on any of them. If the first 2 don't get fit and up to speed quickly and lookman doesn't have a fantastic breakout season we will toil all season long to create chances
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 27, 2017, 10:47:38 PM
Not convinced with Baines as an attacking threat anymore

I think we are relying on Coleman, Bolasie and lookman. We shouldn't be relying on any of them. If the first 2 don't get fit and up to speed quickly and lookman doesn't have a fantastic breakout season we will toil all season long to create chances
Is Baines been told not to cross the half way line or is he too slow?
There were times today he could have gone forward but stopped and passed backwards, he wouldn't have done that in the past.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 10:48:44 PM
Can't see any pattern at all as regards tactics not even close and it's very hard in most of Koemans games to see what they were trying to achieve at all, has a winging it feel to it wether we win or lose. Better players improve things but in the end you need both..
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 27, 2017, 10:51:09 PM
We shouldn't be asking Baines and Holgate to play as wing backs when they can't do it. We also shouldn't be playing three centre halves who look uncomfortable on the ball. We're trying to shoe horn players into a system instead of best utilising what we have. I have no confidence that playing the same system with more or less the same personnel away at Man U will result in anything other than more of the same.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: bigac on August 27, 2017, 10:51:22 PM
To make matters worse, watching the pace and threat of Liverpool destroying Arsenal. Were not capable of getting anywhere close to that.  :headbang:
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 27, 2017, 10:52:13 PM
Its been a shite day all round first weve been linked troy deeney,, lost to chelsea and being with linked with fecking ashley young...can it get any worse?
yes the shite are gizzin all over the arse..
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2017, 10:56:39 PM
To make matters worse, watching the pace and threat of Liverpool destroying Arsenal. Were not capable of getting anywhere close to that.  :headbang:

It's truly horrible watching it hungover with my RS uncle  :eh:
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 27, 2017, 11:06:59 PM
It's truly horrible watching it hungover with my RS uncle  :eh:

It would be a shame if he was to slip at the top of the stairs.

Too far? Sorry, I've lost all perspective.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Evertonian in NC on August 27, 2017, 11:08:25 PM
It would be a shame if he was to slip at the top of the stairs.

Too far? Sorry, I've lost all perspective.

never too far with the Redshite, mate
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on August 27, 2017, 11:08:54 PM
It would be a shame if he was to slip at the top of the stairs.

Too far? Sorry, I've lost all perspective.

Yeah, all perspective gone.

We're in a bungalow.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 27, 2017, 11:22:53 PM
It's a common thread that ther sides at the top of the league have power and pace.

If the same chance presented itself for Liverpool's third I doubt we'd have been quick enough to exploit it.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on August 27, 2017, 11:42:51 PM
Naturally everyone was happy at our early signings and anticipation was maybe too high. Keane and Pickford were brilliant signings, Sandro and Klassen are very much wait and see signings. Neither of those two could be called "major additions". Hopefully they may eventually come good given time to adapt, or just as likely, maybe not. We desperately lack a top midfield player and two strikers not one. Mirallas looks like he has packed us in, not that he rated much anyway.  No way is young Davis worth his place, he looks lost.   The injuries don't help either. Just saw a brilliant Shite side destroy the Gunners. We are light years off that standard,  and already I dread the derby games.  Consolidate and keep 7th place. I fancy Leicester to close the gap but no one else.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 27, 2017, 11:45:12 PM
On the other side of the coin, we did better against Chelsea than Arsenal (arguably the closest of our top 6 rivals) have against the shite.

It's early days, new team, 3 games in 6 days all away from home, two in a row against the top 4. Our best midfileder banned, our record signing making his second start and really still in pre season mode, and an unfit Sandro. We're a team in transition, give it time ffs.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: everton1952 on August 27, 2017, 11:48:36 PM
Agreed, it is just that the salvoes aimed at Koeman on this site indicate that patience is in short supply. I have no anticipation of anything better than keeping the best of the rest position. Transition remains the key word for our present state.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on August 28, 2017, 12:05:54 AM
The difference off the ball between the two sides was like night and day. Chelsea looked like a team that knew which runs to make for the passer, who knew when (and how) to close down, who knew how to keep their shape.

We didn't. Rather than 3 at the back with wing backs providing the width - like Spurs and Chelsea do - ours is more a flat back 5 with Holgate trying his hardest but not really being suited to it. You'd think Baines would be suited to it, but he's not. He's either too conservative to make the runs forward or he doesn't have the legs.

If the full backs won't provide the width then it has to come from the front 3, but that doesn't seem remotely likely with Sigurdsson or Rooney given their tendency to drift inside.

Koeman moaned about our ball retention and the lack of movement, but this isn't a new issue. It's a direct consequence of the players and formation he's playing. Either buy players who actually suit the way you want to play or drill them into an outfit capable of doing it.

In the meantime, it'd be really great if we could actually play a system the players know in games where we'll be playing talented, well drilled teams who know what they're doing.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 28, 2017, 12:13:08 AM
Agreed, it is just that the salvoes aimed at Koeman on this site indicate that patience is in short supply. I have no anticipation of anything better than keeping the best of the rest position. Transition remains the key word for our present state.

Transition was the word for last season too. We'll probably have to transition another couple of new signings in the next few weeks as well. When do we think it's fair to expect a functioning system and style of play?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: School of Science on August 28, 2017, 12:14:53 AM
Three away games in six days was always going to be a bridge too far, yes I'm really disappointed with the display. But look a bit deeper, we had Gueye with a possible hamstring, Ramirez fighting for fitness, Besic just back from a long term injury and Sigurdsson with no pre season behind him. Be honest did any of us expect anything much different. A lot of players missing today against a team that had seven days rest. After the international break, we will be rested the same as our Opponents Spurs, that will be an acid test for us no excuses, we will see then how good or bad we are so far.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blueToffee on August 28, 2017, 12:19:33 AM
Just realized, while taking into account the opposition today, our last away victory was in January against Crystal Palace.

That's kinda shocking isn't it?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheTone on August 28, 2017, 12:26:09 AM
Just realized, while taking into account the opposition today, our last away victory was in January against Crystal Palace.

That's kinda shocking isn't it?

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Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 28, 2017, 12:29:05 AM
On the other side of the coin, we did better against Chelsea than Arsenal (arguably the closest of our top 6 rivals) have against the shite.

It's early days, new team, 3 games in 6 days all away from home, two in a row against the top 4. Our best midfileder banned, our record signing making his second start and really still in pre season mode, and an unfit Sandro. We're a team in transition, give it time ffs.
How many times are we going to hear " give it time"? You don't get time in this league ffs. How much time? 1 month, 2 months? We could in amongst the so called "others" by then and the Elusive top six long gone.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 28, 2017, 12:33:59 AM
Just realized, while taking into account the opposition today, our last away victory was in January against Crystal Palace.

That's kinda shocking isn't it?

Think it's 10 games which is bad yes.

But we have played at all 6 of the top 6 in that run.

It's why letting wins slip at Utd and city is all the more frustrating.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 28, 2017, 12:38:50 AM
Three away games in six days was always going to be a bridge too far, yes I'm really disappointed with the display. But look a bit deeper, we had Gueye with a possible hamstring, Ramirez fighting for fitness, Besic just back from a long term injury and Sigurdsson with no pre season behind him. Be honest did any of us expect anything much different. A lot of players missing today against a team that had seven days rest. After the international break, we will be rested the same as our Opponents Spurs, that will be an acid test for us no excuses, we will see then how good or bad we are so far.
True there are circumstances to point at,and all's not lost yet, i don't think Koeman is as stubborn as Martinez in regard to making a change to the way he's going about it tactically and we may not be finished this window hopefully.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 28, 2017, 12:39:19 AM
How many times are we going to hear " give it time"? You don't get time in this league ffs. How much time? 1 month, 2 months? We could in amongst the so called "others" by then and the Elusive top six long gone.


i think the worrying thing about this is, its happened in every game we have played this season, but to most it doesnt seem like an issue.

keep saying what till coleman / bolassie return, like if they will stop the defense passing to the keeper to blast it up front,  i like Koeman, i like his But Oks'... but ok he needs to have a game plan other than 8 behind the ball, as all that leads to is constant pressure which leads to giving a goal away, then changing your whole game plan, with the wrong players on the pitch.

wish we'd set up to our strengths, least give the game a go, instead of passing the ball to the opposition so they can attack us again.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Alanvideo on August 28, 2017, 12:40:16 AM
Our first defeat in 11 games including pre season . Not unexpected given the tough week we had but the main objective was achieved in Split. The Spurs game is a good chance to put the season back on track.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 28, 2017, 12:41:55 AM
Transitioning from what to what? From a side that relies too much on lukaku to a side without the individual or the pace power and movement to create enough

Our wingers are crap, our playmakers are drab and our record signing is about as uninsiring as they come

It seems we've made a whole load of low risk low reward signings (in attacking positions) who will never quite be good enough to elevate us

We've signed 4 players for attacking positions and for me we still need 3. Something has clearly gone a bit wrong
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: SANA_DR0 on August 28, 2017, 12:57:26 AM
Our first defeat in 11 games including pre season . Not unexpected given the tough week we had but the main objective was achieved in Split. The Spurs game is a good chance to put the season back on track.

hope to fuck we dont set up with 8 defensive players again, but i have a feeling we will do.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: van der Meyde on August 28, 2017, 01:01:44 AM
I do worry a little that Koeman's instruction to Walsh last season was basically 'find me some players who have great goals and assist stats' and he just thinks by throwing them all together we can somehow fashion a system and they'll all hopefully carry on where they left off.
Must admit I'm concerned about this too.

In his last three jobs he's typically had a quality player or two leading the way. We were heavily reliant on Lukaku last season, while at Southampton there was a lot of emphasis on Mane and, as at Feyenoord, Pelle.

I'm not sure beyond a common theme of loving a target man there's much evidence that Koeman gets his teams attacking in a cohesive and effective manner. A brief look at the league tables in his time in Holland suggests his teams score fewer goals than their rivals too.

I'm fairly worried that the signings so far leave us a little one note in attack, so hopefully Walsh and Koeman can pull something out of the bag this week.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: TheTone on August 28, 2017, 01:15:37 AM
some absolute beauts on here

the season is 3 league games in ye massive drama queens

2 away games against favourites for the league and played 2 of these in a week we had to travel to Europe

new players bedding in , some in a new country and new league

window not closed yet

some boss players out injured

loads of fucking games to go

PATIENCE







Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Trowel on August 28, 2017, 01:17:36 AM
Things to do away at one of the top 6 every season:

Cling on until the 80th+ minute then concede late -
Roll over and have our bellies tickled without putting up a fight -
Get embarrassed at Anfield - TO DO
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 28, 2017, 01:18:24 AM
some absolute beauts on here

the season is 3 league games in ye massive drama queens

2 away games against favourites for the league and played 2 of these in a week we had to travel to Europe

new players bedding in , some in a new country and new league

window not closed yet

some boss players out injured

loads of fucking games to go

PATIENCE










Do you think our players might get quicker over the next few weeks? Develop more width?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 28, 2017, 01:31:11 AM
How many times are we going to hear " give it time"? You don't get time in this league ffs. How much time? 1 month, 2 months? We could in amongst the so called "others" by then and the Elusive top six long gone.

Yep. You're right. We should be blowing Chelsea off the park and winning 10-0.

We've played 7 games. We've won 4. We've drawn two and lost 1. Football is a results game. Are we or are we not getting results?

You can't instantly throw a bunch of players together and expect them to play perfectly together. You also cannot expect miracles from playing three very hard away games in the space of 6 days. It would have been nice to have played City last Sunday and Chelsea tomorrow. But it didn't work out that way. Preparations for each game would have come at lightning speed, with barely any time to get out and train given the fact the squad would have spent a bunch of time travelling.

We have two weeks off. Regroup, focus on the next game and try and get a result. Hoepfully, some of our injuries will ease off and players like Sandro and Sig will be fitter.

I'm really not sure what some people are expecting right now.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 28, 2017, 01:31:46 AM
some absolute beauts on here

the season is 3 league games in ye massive drama queens

2 away games against favourites for the league and played 2 of these in a week we had to travel to Europe

new players bedding in , some in a new country and new league

window not closed yet

some boss players out injured

loads of fucking games to go

PATIENCE
All of that I agree, but ffs, maybe a bit of effort and an attempt to make a game of it. At least it's what the travelling fans deserve.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 28, 2017, 01:32:30 AM
some absolute beauts on here

the season is 3 league games in ye massive drama queens

2 away games against favourites for the league and played 2 of these in a week we had to travel to Europe

new players bedding in , some in a new country and new league

window not closed yet

some boss players out injured

loads of fucking games to go

PATIENCE









Agreed.

The term snowflakes comes to mind...
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Mac934 on August 28, 2017, 01:33:45 AM
Did I say we should be blowing these off the park? No, but as I said earlier at least put some effort in.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on August 28, 2017, 01:39:07 AM
With our next two against ManU and Tottenham, we could have the same amount of table points in a week as we do now.

Our schedule is front-loaded with our peers and superiors and we will learn a lot in this phase. If we can't beat any of the top teams..... then we are not a top team. It's as simple as that.

After that we have a stretch of rather easy games where I expect us to win 4 in a row.

As I thought since last season, Lukaku is not replaceable in the market and we are not going to accomplish much averaging 0.7 goals per match, which we currently are.

But my early verdict is we feel like a team that has no real chance of top 4 and will fight for maybe the 6th spot in Europa. I could see us as low as 8th. It's still progress, but we are just not good enough yet.


Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 28, 2017, 01:44:17 AM
Did I say we should be blowing these off the park? No, but as I said earlier at least put some effort in.

How do you know they didn't? Maybe if we weren't in Europe, they may have been able to push more? Maybe, maybe not, we'll never know the answer to that. I think it's a bit simplistic to say they didn't try and put effort in.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 28, 2017, 01:44:46 AM
Things to do away at one of the top 6 every season:

Cling on until the 80th+ minute then concede late -
Roll over and have our bellies tickled without putting up a fight -
Get embarrassed at Anfield - TO DO

Whack on:

Fail to beat 10 men -
Have a player sent off -
Be patronised by the opposing manager after they get a lucky result - TO DO
Concede a penalty - TO DO
Lose out from a deperately poor refereeing decision - TO DO
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 28, 2017, 01:54:47 AM
Agreed.

The term snowflakes comes to mind...

I think you're confusing your terms a little.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on August 28, 2017, 01:55:02 AM
Whack on:

Fail to beat 10 men -
Have a player sent off -
Be patronised by the opposing manager after they get a lucky result - TO DO
Concede a penalty - TO DO
Lose out from a deperately poor refereeing decision - TO DO

Best chuckle I've had all day.  ;D
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 28, 2017, 01:58:04 AM
In all the time I've been on here, I don't think I've ever read so much drivel from a bunch of cry babies. Absolutely pathetic.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 28, 2017, 01:58:35 AM
I think you're confusing your terms a little.

I don't. I'm not whining about not winning a game of football.

Since the beginning of summer, I've had it in my mind it's going to take time for this to come together and that there will be hiccups and games where we don't play well on the way. As we start forming understandings throughout the team, our play will improve and our results will become more consistent.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Zoolander on August 28, 2017, 02:08:29 AM
There's a thought nagging me, and it's a tad negative for me.
But it's maybe a good thing that we played the league champions today , after a tough fixture list this last week and before we're able to get cohesion with the new players and a number of injuries. After all no team expects to win there - and we didn't. But dropping points there today is preferable to dropping points to some shite like West Ham , Which given the circumstances could have happened.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 28, 2017, 02:11:56 AM
In all the time I've been on here, I don't think I've ever read so much drivel from a bunch of cry babies. Absolutely pathetic.

Could be worse, could be Toffeeweb (where's the wrist-slitting smiley).
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: ally2 on August 28, 2017, 02:18:54 AM
Could be worse, could be Toffeeweb (where's the wrist-slitting smiley).

That's the thing. I've never been on any other site unless there's been a link to it from here so I've book perspective other than my own mind.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 28, 2017, 02:23:30 AM
That's the thing. I've never been on any other site unless there's been a link to it from here so I've book perspective other than my own mind.

I hope you will take it as a credit to all on here I have stopped reading their opinions since joining up, more fun talking on here :thumbsup:

For most of the last 2-3 years I've scrolled through comments on there that would go up to 150+ on one article, in addition to peeking interesting threads on your Everton section. Tell you what it was weird seeing all your avatars pop-up when I first signed in, I've known a bunch of you as faceless personalities and some of the avatars have thrown me :snigger:

For example, the stat bomb guru having Baines with his mouth hanging open in disdain ;)
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 28, 2017, 02:42:37 AM
On a positive note, we're a point ahead of Arsenal and level with Spurs, the two clubs we are most likely to catch in our quest to climb the table.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 28, 2017, 02:42:51 AM
I don't think anyone is complaining that we didn't win today. We've all been Everton fans long enough to know not to expect us to
The complaints are about how far we've progressed and about how far we are likely to given the business we've done, tactics we play etc etc
Time will tell who's right and who's wrong but let's not pretend anyone's throwing a fit cos we didn't win at Chelsea. My fits are about not buying wingers
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 28, 2017, 03:17:35 AM
Just a glass half empty kind of day..
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Sir Stealth on August 28, 2017, 03:22:43 AM
Missed the game as I was in work so not sure what went down

Obvs it was a bad result and sounds like a bad performance

At this point I know it's sad to throw the towel in, but I'm willing to settle for just the Europa league, FA Cup and League Cup treble

I'm gonna admit defeat in the title race
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2017, 03:40:28 AM
Missed the game as I was in work so not sure what went down

Obvs it was a bad result and sounds like a bad performance

At this point I know it's sad to throw the towel in, but I'm willing to settle for just the Europa league, FA Cup and League Cup treble

I'm gonna admit defeat in the title race

Sell out
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: blargins on August 28, 2017, 03:46:14 AM
There's a thought nagging me, and it's a tad negative for me.
But it's maybe a good thing that we played the league champions today , after a tough fixture list this last week and before we're able to get cohesion with the new players and a number of injuries. After all no team expects to win there - and we didn't. But dropping points there today is preferable to dropping points to some shite like West Ham , Which given the circumstances could have happened.

I just said something similar in the secret forum. Totally agree.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: brap2 on August 28, 2017, 04:41:00 AM
Yeah bit of a free hit I agree. Nobody expects us to win that it's no loss. Proximity of different games doesn't accumulate importance other than psychologically maybe or having a tough period. Beat the shite in the league, that's the plan.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Omar on August 28, 2017, 04:55:36 AM
With our next two against ManU and Tottenham, we could have the same amount of table points in a week as we do now.



Well, considering the international break is upon us, I certainly expect us to have the same amount of table points in a week as we do now.

 ;)

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Bluedylan on August 28, 2017, 05:05:06 AM
Agree with Kirkbride (unusually):

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-verdict-ambitious-everton-should-13538002
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lazarou on August 28, 2017, 12:28:06 PM
I am not bothered about anything else, it's no big deal losing away to the champions away from home.

The thing that bothers me is the tactics as we are all over the place, I get the impression the players don't really know what he is asking from them most of the time.

Every game is different, every half is different, players asked to play in various positions, players asked to play various roles. You have to have some sort of consistent game plan when integrating new players. We have played 11 games so far with so many differing combinations I just can't see how the team will gel like that.

I am sick of seeing the likes of DCL & Davies being asked to play all sorts of roles and positions. DCL had his best game on Monday so what does he do drop him to the bench, it's madness I tell ye.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: GLewis on August 28, 2017, 12:49:02 PM
I am not bothered about anything else, it's no big deal losing away to the champions away from home.

The thing that bothers me is the tactics as we are all over the place, I get the impression the players don't really know what he is asking from them most of the time.

Every game is different, every half is different, players asked to play in various positions, players asked to play various roles. You have to have some sort of consistent game plan when integrating new players. We have played 11 games so far with so many differing combinations I just can't see how the team will gel like that.

I am sick of seeing the likes of DCL & Davies being asked to play all sorts of roles and positions. DCL had his best game on Monday so what does he do drop him to the bench, it's madness I tell ye.



Re DCL probably because he's never played two games at that intensity in such a short space before.

Re Davies, he's played 1 game this season at RWB the rest have been in midfield.

It is disjointed this season but I'd say that's partly a result of a) having these difficult away games where we wouldn't use tactics that we'd normally employ b) new signings to blend in, c) some of those being injured d) still not got the attacking profiles that he'd ideally have.

Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 28, 2017, 03:19:12 PM
Re DCL probably because he's never played two games at that intensity in such a short space before.

Re Davies, he's played 1 game this season at RWB the rest have been in midfield.

It is disjointed this season but I'd say that's partly a result of a) having these difficult away games where we wouldn't use tactics that we'd normally employ b) new signings to blend in, c) some of those being injured d) still not got the attacking profiles that he'd ideally have.



My fear is we just don't have the right blend of players. Obviously it will get better given time but I worry we are short of quite a few of the components needed to make a good team

Also as has been pointed out (though be it in nicer language) we seem to be a team full of very good losers. We are a good team with zero belief we can play better teams and compete. The top teams go and try to play their game. Even the likes of a big Sam team or a stoke go and try and compete. We seem to turn up and try and survive and pinch a goal. I'm all for being pragmatic but we've got to go with some attacking intent too. It's not like these tactics are baring many points and even against 10 Man City we got more and more defensive. It's like we don't have players with belief even though we have plenty of good (not great) players. How can they not believe they are capable of matching a city team with 10 men?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 28, 2017, 03:48:48 PM
My fear is we just don't have the right blend of players. Obviously it will get better given time but I worry we are short of quite a few of the components needed to make a good team

Also as has been pointed out (though be it in nicer language) we seem to be a team full of very good losers. We are a good team with zero belief we can play better teams and compete. The top teams go and try to play their game. Even the likes of a big Sam team or a stoke go and try and compete. We seem to turn up and try and survive and pinch a goal. I'm all for being pragmatic but we've got to go with some attacking intent too. It's not like these tactics are baring many points and even against 10 Man City we got more and more defensive. It's like we don't have players with belief even though we have plenty of good (not great) players. How can they not believe they are capable of matching a city team with 10 men?
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My fear is we just don't have the right blend of players. Obviously it will get better given time but I worry we are short of quite a few of the components needed to make a good team

Also as has been pointed out (though be it in nicer language) we seem to be a team full of very good losers. We are a good team with zero belief we can play better teams and compete. The top teams go and try to play their game. Even the likes of a big Sam team or a stoke go and try and compete. We seem to turn up and try and survive and pinch a goal. I'm all for being pragmatic but we've got to go with some attacking intent too. It's not like these tactics are baring many points and even against 10 Man City we got more and more defensive. It's like we don't have players with belief even though we have plenty of good (not great) players. How can they not believe they are capable of matching a city team with 10 men?

I think a big part of that is the way the manager chooses to set up. If he goes with a containing formation, it's almost like saying to the players, a point will do. But then if we go toe-to-toe, we'll end up with 6-3 again.

Which kind of reverts back to your first point, we don't have the right qualities to call on. There's no real pace and no real power. If we're going to go route one, we need a lump up front. My preference would be for a fast front line, but we don't really have that either. We seem to have gone back to playing in front of defences, rather than finding a way to get in behind.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 28, 2017, 03:49:23 PM
God knows what happened to my quoting there!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 28, 2017, 04:10:41 PM
God knows what happened to my quoting there!
God knows what happened to my quoting there!
God knows what happened to my quoting there!
God knows what happened to my quoting there!

The Droste effect has you.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 28, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
I think a big part of that is the way the manager chooses to set up. If he goes with a containing formation, it's almost like saying to the players, a point will do. But then if we go toe-to-toe, we'll end up with 6-3 again.

Which kind of reverts back to your first point, we don't have the right qualities to call on. There's no real pace and no real power. If we're going to go route one, we need a lump up front. My preference would be for a fast front line, but we don't really have that either. We seem to have gone back to playing in front of defences, rather than finding a way to get in behind.


You can have a Like for the content minus half a mark for the format.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Rodenplav64 on August 28, 2017, 04:37:47 PM
Re DCL probably because he's never played two games at that intensity in such a short space before.

Re Davies, he's played 1 game this season at RWB the rest have been in midfield.

It is disjointed this season but I'd say that's partly a result of a) having these difficult away games where we wouldn't use tactics that we'd normally employ b) new signings to blend in, c) some of those being injured d) still not got the attacking profiles that he'd ideally have.



Under Martinez we saw a clear style develop very quickly in season 1 . Very soon into season 2 we saw its failings start to emerge . I am still waiting for a style of play to emerge . No one is disappointed with last seasons finishing position but there were loads of gash performances and slow starts . Stop making excuses because Burnley have played Chelsea and Spurs after losing some of their best players . Even if you don't have the best you can still have a style and we look absolute awful no matter who we have played ( Lxxx's favourite 1st half against Hajduk aside ) . I wouldn't mind getting beaten if we at least managed to trouble the opposition .
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 28, 2017, 04:45:22 PM
You can have a Like for the content minus half a mark for the format.

Thanks, I like to provide a challenge - whether that's the opinion itself or finding where to read it!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: terrydarracotsbaldpate on August 28, 2017, 04:53:15 PM
The setup was all wrong. Look at how Burnley set up. Untill the 87th minute the only shot on target was the one on Besic's dad.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 28, 2017, 05:04:57 PM
Too soon mate.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 28, 2017, 05:07:09 PM
If we line up the same against Man U should we expect much different? Granted we might have Schneiderlin in for Davies but that might be about it. Is that enough to expect anything other than what we've seen against City and Chelsea?
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: BlueForYou on August 28, 2017, 05:58:29 PM
By then, we should have a couple more pieces of the Koeman jigsaw and, hopefully, they'll fit nicely
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 28, 2017, 06:10:24 PM
Too soon mate.

Tell that to page 31 about halfway down :tongue:
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Faceatthefence on August 28, 2017, 06:20:12 PM
If we line up the same against Man U should we expect much different? Granted we might have Schneiderlin in for Davies but that might be about it. Is that enough to expect anything other than what we've seen against City and Chelsea?
Opposition  teams dont fear your defence they worry constantly  about your attack,we possess  an ageing Rooney,a fledgling  striker in DCL and a bargain basement Sandro.Now maybe under moyes we,d have the time but not now, four teams will leave us standing and if we wanna give the other two a fight the next 72 hours really are critical.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: Lxxx on August 28, 2017, 06:35:22 PM
By then, we should have a couple more pieces of the Koeman jigsaw and, hopefully, they'll fit nicely

If the board back him and he does get what he asks for we can't be using the 'transition' line for much longer.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: bacon sarnie on August 29, 2017, 12:37:38 AM
Total shambles. Fuck off.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Everton
Post by: sam of the south on August 29, 2017, 12:45:20 AM
Total shambles. Fuck off.

😂