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Title: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 29, 2017, 11:38:38 PM
Everything looked so promising at the start of the window, we were signing players at will
Now here we are a few days before the window slams shut with no Lukaku replacement, no wingers and no LCB/LB which Koeman wanted.

Don't go on about wages because I'm not arsed if Sandro's on 120k a week (he's crap)

Now we are linked with Cardiff players and shitty loan deals to replace arguably one of the best strikers in the league, its shambolic at best

Also people buzzing that Moshiri bought the Liver birds is cringeworthy because they won't score 25 goals a season

Another false dawn at Everton I'm afraid
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 29, 2017, 11:43:24 PM
Oh yay
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Robioto on August 29, 2017, 11:44:09 PM
Just wait 3 more days, then you have full license to lose your shit if we don't get what we need.

Let's just see what the next 48 hours brings.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 29, 2017, 11:44:21 PM
Oh yay

Do you have a valid argument against what I've said?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 29, 2017, 11:44:41 PM
Everything looked so promising at the start of the window, we were signing players at will
Now here we are a few days before the window slams shut with no Lukaku replacement, no wingers and no LCB/LB which Koeman wanted.

Don't go on about wages because I'm not arsed if Sandro's on 120k a week (he's crap)

Now we are linked with Cardiff players and shitty loan deals to replace arguably one of the best strikers in the league, its shambolic at best

Also people buzzing that Moshiri bought the Liver birds is cringeworthy because they won't score 25 goals a season

Another false dawn at Everton I'm afraid

You got fed up waiting for the Billy Goats Gruff today did you?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 29, 2017, 11:45:00 PM
Just wait 3 more days, then you have full license to lose your shit if we don't get what we need.

Let's just see what the next 48 hours brings.

Are you confident mate?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 29, 2017, 11:45:40 PM
You got fed up waiting for the Billy Goats Gruff today did you?

Any argument against the post mate?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: gizzblue on August 29, 2017, 11:45:48 PM
Your always afraid ,ffs save your whingin till the window is shut ...lukaku didn't wanna stay ,nothing we could do .....transfer window is a freak show since Neymar ....to call Sandro shit after four games is fucking rednosed at best .
Coyb....some of us are behind the team.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 29, 2017, 11:47:16 PM
Your always afraid ,ffs save your whingin till the window is shut ...likely didn't wanna stay ,nothing we could do .....transfer window is a freak show since Neymar ....to call Sandro shit after four games is fucking rednosed at best .
Coyb....some of us are behind the team.

That's my opinion I think he's shit, how many goals do you reckon he'll score this season?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 29, 2017, 11:47:46 PM
Do you have a valid argument against what I've said?
Two days to go
I'll comment then but in the mean time I am gonna watch and see before having any sort of meltdown
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Dr. Sponge on August 29, 2017, 11:48:33 PM
Everything looked so promising at the start of the window, we were signing players at will
Now here we are a few days before the window slams shut with no Lukaku replacement, no wingers and no LCB/LB which Koeman wanted.

Don't go on about wages because I'm not arsed if Sandro's on 120k a week (he's crap)

Now we are linked with Cardiff players and shitty loan deals to replace arguably one of the best strikers in the league, its shambolic at best

Also people buzzing that Moshiri bought the Liver birds is cringeworthy because they won't score 25 goals a season

Another false dawn at Everton I'm afraid

You are one depressing individual.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 29, 2017, 11:48:59 PM
oh fuck off.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Jay on August 29, 2017, 11:49:10 PM
That's my opinion I think he's shit, how many goals do you reckon he'll score this season?

How many games have you spent watching Sandro closely to form this opinion?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Bigstickytoffee on August 29, 2017, 11:51:35 PM
Are you confident mate?

I'm becoming increasingly less so but remaining hopeful 2 quality players will pop out of the bag. We need 2 of real quality or we are probably reĺying on an arsenal melt down in order to scrape into the top six.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: gizzblue on August 29, 2017, 11:53:28 PM
That's my opinion I think he's shit, how many goals do you reckon he'll score this season?
Your opinion as a rednose ???....

Once he's settled a fucking big hatfull ...i rekon, but hey new country new team new players ....and an injury .ffs..
But you carry on fuming that he ain't scored a hat trick every half has been on . ..only a dirty rednosed twat could be so impatient with a youngster.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 29, 2017, 11:54:05 PM
Is it sad one of the reasons I decided to sign on was reading one person on here complain you couldn't tool this bloke more than once a day, I thought every little might help lolol

I'm just joking right now bud, the actual answer to your question is what @Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) already said, you could have made this thread on Friday if the stars aligned for you but the curtain has not even come down yet!
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: gizzblue on August 29, 2017, 11:56:39 PM
Defeatist early this season (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170829/9f7412be9b3b343189bda54117617e2d.jpg)
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 29, 2017, 11:56:54 PM
Any argument against the post mate?

Lots

1) False dawn after 270  mins of League football this season is a bit premature
2) The window is still open to get players in - as I've said in another post, four years ago on TDD there wasn't even a sniff about Lukaku joining until an hour or so before.
3) Sandro being shit? Forgive me for being a bit strange but I tend to judge players who have moved from a different league in a different country a little bit longer than two and a half games to make a judgement
4) Wages - the fact that we now have a number of players on over £100k a week when until last year our top player was on £70k is showing progress
5) Shitty loans and players from Cardiff? The only loan I've seen talked about is Costa - you may have heard of him, he's a bit decent. The terms may not be great, but if you'd have said six months ago that Diego Costa was going to be wearing an Everton shirt you'd have been carted off to the asylum. The lad from Cardiff, guaranteed you've never seen him play. You're like a blind man describing colour.
6) The Liver building thing is more evidence that Moshri is looking to develop the area around there for our new stadium and is in for the long haul.
7) You have conveniently forgotten to mention the paying off of debts which is something that crippled us for so long.

This project will take time, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2017, 12:00:32 AM
We have broken our transfer record twice.Time will tell if Koeman is the man for the job but he is absolutely being backed. Remember when we didn't even spend what we earned in selling not long ago?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Shogun on August 30, 2017, 12:02:03 AM
Can't be arsed with this.

Locked.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Gash on August 30, 2017, 12:02:32 AM
Still too early to say, even after Thursday it'll be a few games before we see how everyone's  settling in and gelling as a team but a lot rests on the next 48 hours.

The business we've done has been good, we bought a good mix of experienced leaders, players coming towards their prome and young prospects. We've clearly tried to replace one person's goals with multiple goal scorers from other areas of the park, somethibg Koeman always said even when Lukaku was here, we relied too much on his goals. However, much as like the new regime it will be a big bollock dropped if we don't at least get a decent striker in.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: bacon sarnie on August 30, 2017, 12:12:39 AM
Defeatist early this season (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170829/9f7412be9b3b343189bda54117617e2d.jpg)

Haha...shopping cart for Defeatist!

Don't worry mate its early doors yet. 7th place & glory in the Europa beckons.

Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 12:14:22 AM
Ere lads @moderators, I think you might want to get the locks changed!
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 12:15:12 AM
Is it sad one of the reasons I decided to sign on was reading one person on here complain you couldn't tool this bloke more than once a day, I thought every little might help lolol

I'm just joking right now bud, the actual answer to your question is what @Jimmywhack (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=329) already said, you could have made this thread on Friday if the stars aligned for you but the curtain has not even come down yet!

Not looking great though is it mate let's be honest
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 12:15:48 AM
oh fuck off.

Great input as always Audrey thanks love
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2017, 12:17:22 AM
Ere lads @moderators, I think you might want to get the locks changed!

This is what happens when you give every fucker a key to your house
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Audrey Horne on August 30, 2017, 12:18:45 AM
Great input as always Audrey thanks love

Bit rich coming from the token red of the forum.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: hill135 on August 30, 2017, 12:18:53 AM
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Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 30, 2017, 12:21:45 AM
What a wool.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Paddockoldie on August 30, 2017, 12:24:05 AM
Everything looked so promising at the start of the window, we were signing players at will
Now here we are a few days before the window slams shut with no Lukaku replacement, no wingers and no LCB/LB which Koeman wanted.

Don't go on about wages because I'm not arsed if Sandro's on 120k a week (he's crap)

Now we are linked with Cardiff players and shitty loan deals to replace arguably one of the best strikers in the league, its shambolic at best

Also people buzzing that Moshiri bought the Liver birds is cringeworthy because they won't score 25 goals a season

Another false dawn at Everton I'm afraid


I'm not sure what your agenda is lad but you need to sort your head out. I've watched us all my 50 odd years and have seen some shit over the years but also success that I always dreamt of. Not sure what your looking for with this question but you don't sound like a proper blue to me lad.. do yourself a favour and ask yourself why?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 12:25:17 AM
Not looking great though is it mate let's be honest

To be fair I expect positive strides to be taken, moot until Friday dude. There are legitimate things to be critical about but at the very least you pick things to get a rise out of people (if you get a kick out of it and others enjoy feeding that, whatever).

You've done yourself a disservice with the Liver birds part, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 30, 2017, 12:28:36 AM
He went full kopite at Liver Birds.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 30, 2017, 12:29:47 AM
We are still well short of them above us but did anyone really expect anything different.

Still maintain moshiri has been great. If I have 1 complaint I think maybe koeman lacks ambition in what he's doing. though I think I might just be over doing my upset about the Sigurdsson signing

Still days left. Still looking for players. If we fall short it will be down to individuals rather than the money not being there. Many more questions about our manager than our owner and even then so far he's been very good
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: brap2 on August 30, 2017, 12:30:58 AM
To be honest with you, I said after Lukaku went that the next major signing not inc. sig would shape my perception of the window and of the project. I still stand by that and past experiences have told me to never take the clubs word on face value and to question the moves we make.

If after the next 3 days we are in the same boat, I believe serious questions must be asked about preparedness or willingness to resolve the squads deficiencies.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Faceatthefence on August 30, 2017, 12:32:11 AM
Meanwhile in more pressing news,Stan Kroenke and Alishar Usmanov have pledged Arsene Wengers entire transfer budget on a remake of that global blockbuster "THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE"  That is all !
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 12:32:27 AM
To be fair I expect positive strides to be taken, moot until Friday dude. There are legitimate things to be critical about but at the very least you pick things to get a rise out of people (if you get a kick out of it and others enjoy feeding that, whatever).

You've done yourself a disservice with the Liver birds part, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

I'm just saying people are made up he's bought a building in town while the squad is in desperate need of players that's all
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: MmmblueBernard on August 30, 2017, 12:33:05 AM
False dawn. I went out with a Dawn. She was definitely real.

Anyway, false dawns are the new fake news.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 12:35:04 AM
I'm just saying people are made up he's bought a building in town while the squad is in desperate need of players that's all

Random shout, do you live in Jersey? Fair play if you'd rather not say of course.

Erm I'm in Australia so dont' think this is some kind of trick either!
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 12:38:34 AM
To be honest with you, I said after Lukaku went that the next major signing not inc. sig would shape my perception of the window and of the project. I still stand by that and past experiences have told me to never take the clubs word on face value and to question the moves we make.

If after the next 3 days we are in the same boat, I believe serious questions must be asked about preparedness or willingness to resolve the squads deficiencies.

At last someone who's realistic, stop pretending it's ok guys - it's not
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 12:40:09 AM
Random shout, do you live in Jersey? Fair play if you'd rather not say of course.

Erm I'm in Australia so dont' think this is some kind of trick either!

Don't get that, I don't live in Jersey no

*Nice to see Bob the Bore is on top form again
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 30, 2017, 12:40:25 AM
At last someone who's realistic, stop pretending it's ok guys - it's not

What's not okay? It won't be okay on Friday. It's okay until then.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 12:45:30 AM
Don't get that, I don't live in Jersey no

*Nice to see Bob the Bore is on top form again

Only fair I explain now. I knew (via internet) a very 'defeatist' Everton fan from Jersey, I would have asked the initial of your name next if you'd said yes ;)
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: mikey_blue on August 30, 2017, 12:46:06 AM
This thread sounds like a Game of Thrones episode. Moving on...

Your sense of entitlement really irks me.

We've had a new owner for 5 minutes, and you just think we're going knock football off its axis. It's not even like he's on par with some of the other billionaires in this league.

We're not in a position to replace one of if not the best striker in the league. A like for like replacement isn't feasible, because footballers aren't slaves, and they have to agree to come to Everton. It's not football manager where we can just lob 100m to Belotti and get on with taking over the world of football.

Go and support PSG, they're essentially doing what you expect Everton to do. It's a win win for all of us.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: 74Blue on August 30, 2017, 12:49:37 AM
The time to judge our transfer business this summer is surely closer to the end of the season when we can actually see whether We're still in touching distance of the top four or still in with a shout of winning some silverware, not three games into the season you fucking loon!
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 30, 2017, 12:50:54 AM
We have a better defense, Liver buildings a separate business thing with his partner i think. 2 days to fix some of the other things, if no new striker Sandro could still turn out good, think things need to be sorted with Miralles incase we need him if we miss a striker, but Koeman not 1 for the olive branch. Chaos at the moment but still time..
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 12:52:22 AM
What's not okay? It won't be okay on Friday. It's okay until then.

Is it really? So you're happy with the squad right now?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Escla on August 30, 2017, 12:53:39 AM
How many games have you spent watching Sandro closely to form this opinion?

More like
Y to have been watching our neighbours, just comes on here to try and wind people up.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Escla on August 30, 2017, 12:54:56 AM
Is it really? So you're happy with the squad right now?

I think the term "YOUR squad" as opposed to OUR squad says it all.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 12:55:05 AM
The time to judge our transfer business this summer is surely closer to the end of the season when we can actually see whether We're still in touching distance of the top four or still in with a shout of winning some silverware, not three games into the season you fucking loon!

What's more looney, questioning the squad now or thinking it has a chance of being anywhere near the top 4?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 30, 2017, 12:57:26 AM
Is it really? So you're happy with the squad right now?

No but it's not Friday.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 12:57:37 AM
@Defeatist (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621)

There are loads of threads around discussing the squad, the last match, tactics, transfers etc

Why can't you go and contribute on some of them, your modus operandi of starting a thread and then dominating it with doom and gloom is also classic attention-seeker/troll behaviour.

For example @MartinezsLeftTeste (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) has already explained his thoughts on the squad (what was the count folks, I think someone said 300 times ;)) in loads of other threads. Why are you conspicuous by your abscence from these?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Mick 1995 on August 30, 2017, 12:57:45 AM
What's more looney, questioning the squad now or thinking it has a chance of being anywhere near the top 4?

Nothing
We
Were
EVER
Going
To
Do
This
Window
Would
Have
Made
Top 4
Possible.

Spelt that out for you one word at a time so you can see the massive error that is the root cause of your disastrous attitude towards us.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 12:57:52 AM
I think the term "YOUR squad" as opposed to OUR squad says it all.

Are you backward? Where does it say YOUR squad?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 12:59:52 AM
@Defeatist (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621)

There are loads of threads around discussing the squad, the last match, tactics, transfers etc

Why can't you go and contribute on some of them, your modus operandi of starting a thread and then dominating it with doom a gloom is also classic attention-seeker/troll behaviour.

For example @MartinezsLeftTeste (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) has already explained his thoughts on the squad (what was the count folks, I think someone said 300 times ;)) in loads of other threads. Why are you conspicuous by your abscence from these?

Are you asking why I'm not in that guys thread? Do I have to participate in every thread to warrant starting my own one?
 No I don't
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 01:02:56 AM
Are you asking why I'm not in that guys thread? Do I have to participate in every thread to warrant starting my own one?
 No I don't

I'm trying to be fair man. So you think a forum works by you ignoring a multitude of threads where people are already discussing much of what you've said, and that we should all start our own threads before looking to see if the answers/discussions are already there/in progress?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: AllyBlue14 on August 30, 2017, 01:03:13 AM
At what point have we been priced out of a move?

There's nothing else Moshiri can really do - if a player doesn't want to move or the club aren't going to sell, it's not his fault, is it?

The fact that we haven't replaced Lukaku yet isn't Moshiri's doing at all.

Plus the Liver Building thing is a great talking point for winding up the RS - wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: brap2 on August 30, 2017, 01:03:51 AM
To be honest with you, I said after Lukaku went that the next major signing not inc. sig would shape my perception of the window and of the project. I still stand by that and past experiences have told me to never take the clubs word on face value and to question the moves we make.

If after the next 3 days we are in the same boat, I believe serious questions must be asked about preparedness or willingness to resolve the squads deficiencies.

Let me also be clear that I think so far - Moshiri has backed Koeman.

Pickford, Klaassen, Sig, Keane - all very serious outlays we would never have been capable of before, on big wages we have never paid before.

However, like I say, I don't accept it on face value and it is very, very important to me how we close this window.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Redartin on August 30, 2017, 01:04:41 AM
I hate international breaks.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 30, 2017, 01:06:50 AM
Don't get that, I don't live in Jersey no

*Nice to see Bob the Bore is on top form again

Good evening, you dopey prick.

Edit: added the good. Didn't want to seem rude.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: 74Blue on August 30, 2017, 01:12:13 AM
Is it really? So you're happy with the squad right now?
Would you be happier for us to be still starting games with Robles or Steklenburg between the sticks? We have brought in a truly excellent young keeper in Pickford. He's streets ahead of what we had to persist with last season.
Are you disappointed with Michael Keane? He's a definite upgrade on Funes More, that's  for sure.
Are you pissed off that we persisted and got Gylfi Siggurdson in? Whether or not you feel we overpaid, he's proven premier league quality with stats to back that up and a damn sight more consistent than Barkley will ever be whilst he has a hole in his arse.
Davy Klaassen is showing signs that there is a proper player in there, although he will need a little time to settle and get used to the pace of the PL. Sandro may well be a great bit of business, but like Klaassen will need a little time to settle in a new country and a new league.
We have our first choice right back out of action through long term injury, so have brought in some experienced cover on a free. True, he's not a world class fullback, but he'll do for a couple of months as cover until Coleman's fit again.
We've got Wayne Rooney back and actually looking like he's starting to give a shite about football again.
There are still a few areas where we do need to strengthen a little, but fuck me, you're impatient.
There's a long season ahead and I've got to say that I feel a lot happier with the progress being made than pissed off at what We've lost.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Tofifee on August 30, 2017, 01:12:56 AM
imagine the fuuummeee when we sign Earl Barrett and Marc Hottiger on Thursday........
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: gizzblue on August 30, 2017, 01:13:58 AM
At what point have we been priced out of a move?

There's nothing else Moshiri can really do - if a player doesn't want to move or the club aren't going to sell, it's not his fault, is it?

The fact that we haven't replaced Lukaku yet isn't Moshiri's doing at all.

Plus the Liver Building thing is a great talking point for winding up the RS - wouldn't you say?
Not from a redshites point of view 😅😅😅
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on August 30, 2017, 01:14:27 AM
@Defeatist (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621)

There are loads of threads around discussing the squad, the last match, tactics, transfers etc

Why can't you go and contribute on some of them, your modus operandi of starting a thread and then dominating it with doom and gloom is also classic attention-seeker/troll behaviour.

For example @MartinezsLeftTeste (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3905) has already explained his thoughts on the squad (what was the count folks, I think someone said 300 times ;)) in loads of other threads. Why are you conspicuous by your abscence from these?

I like to mention our lack of wingers every time a minute passes without a whipped in cross.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Topper on August 30, 2017, 01:15:44 AM
We have lost one game this season away to the league champions, our centre forward Sandro has missed a couple of games and is put straight in to start, If you can judge a player on a few minutes of Premier league football it's about time you were scouting for us.

Come back in December once the new signings have bedded in and we can judge the season and our new players then.  Im not saying we are going to finish top 4 but we should be getting behind our squad and hopefully build up to a good season. 

No offence but the Defeatist name could not not be any more apt and I dont imagine you would be winning any prizes for motivational speeches.  A minus 35 karma rating says it all to be honest
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 30, 2017, 01:17:31 AM
Say it ain't so, are you really a Red? i feel dry bummed, i believed in you, you swine.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: 74Blue on August 30, 2017, 01:24:07 AM
What's more looney, questioning the squad now or thinking it has a chance of being anywhere near the top 4?
Leicester City won the fucking league with a worse squad than ours.
There's a long season ahead with plenty of twists and turns. If you keep plugging away and picking up points, you just never know. I'm not saying we'll be Champions come May, but I'm willing to stick my neck out and say that we will finish this season closer to the top 2 than the bottom 3.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Martip on August 30, 2017, 01:26:23 AM
Fingers crossed they pull a surprise out before deadline !
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 01:26:48 AM
Say it ain't so, are you really a Red? i feel dry bummed, i believed in you, you swine.

Are you saying you'd be happy getting rogered by a poo supporter, as long as they used lube :o
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on August 30, 2017, 01:29:59 AM
Are you saying you'd be happy getting rogered by a poo supporter, as long as they used lube :o
No not really
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 01:30:52 AM
No not really

Well that went down like a nun's knickers ;)
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Shropshire Blue on August 30, 2017, 01:36:14 AM
Is it really? So you're happy with the squad right now?
I'm very happy. I'm a happy type of person. I'm happy about everything. I'm happy to see you back.  I'm happy at being happy. I'm even more happy at other people being happy. In fact I really could be THE Mr Happy.
I'm happy I've written this, 
I saw a squirrel this morning, that looked happy as well. All the hedgehog food disappeared overnight so I'm guessing he's happy and the dog just rolled on his back and wagged his tail so he is most definitely happy.
Have a happy evening.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Sixx1402 on August 30, 2017, 01:38:19 AM
Oh dear, I just don't understand any of this

This instant success thing doesn't happen anymore like it did with Chelsea and City because everyone in this league has money now so no top 4 means no top players unless you unearth a bargain (see Leicester)

What can anyone do at the club if our top targets don't want to come? Romance them with wine and chocolates?

This is a work in progress, most people on here (me included) are thinking 7th again will be our highest but what is wrong with that for the time being?

Things are being BUILT and put into motion, that's the point here. You can't expect it to happen within 2 seasons unless you are VERY lucky (see Leicester)

Sandro shit after 2 and a half games? Please, behave.

It's likely we won't be doing a title charge this season but what we are doing is buying lots of quality youngsters so hopefully we will build a title winning side in a few years if they all come good.

Kind of like some guy did once, think his name was Ferguson or something. From what i remember they did ok
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Martip on August 30, 2017, 01:43:02 AM
Although it feels too early to make judgement, have to admit not overwhelmed by our business to date which has felt lazy and predictable. I'm sure keane and pickford will prove good buys but we paid proper money for them. As for the rest of koemans signings id say the jury's still out....bolasie, lookman, Williams, sandro, morgan, rooney, klasson ....most brought for a lot of money but yet to prove anywhere near worthwhile. Only gueye has shone imo.

It would be unforgivable if we dont  get a world class striker/some pace in given we knew Rom was off very early doors....especially as it feels we 've wasted time on targets who weren't a necessity. Gonna throw this out there....i think koemans signings have generally been poor/bad value for money. (Awaits barrage of abuse ! )

Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: brap2 on August 30, 2017, 01:45:38 AM
Although it feels too early to make judgement, have to admit not overwhelmed by our business to date which has felt lazy and predictable. I'm sure keane and pickford will prove good buys but we paid proper money for them. As for the rest of koemans signings id say the jury's still out....bolasie, lookman, Williams, sandro, morgan, rooney, klasson ....most brought for a lot of money but yet to prove anywhere near worthwhile. Only gueye has shone imo.

It would be unforgivable if we dont  get a world class striker/some pace in given we knew Rom was off very early doors....especially as it feels we 've wasted time on targets who weren't a necessity. Gonna throw this out there....i think koemans signings have generally been poor/bad value for money. (Awaits barrage of abuse ! )



I can tell you right now that there is no way we are going to get a 'world class striker'.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: gizzblue on August 30, 2017, 01:46:55 AM
Although it feels too early to make judgement, have to admit not overwhelmed by our business to date which has felt lazy and predictable. I'm sure keane and pickford will prove good buys but we paid proper money for them. As for the rest of koemans signings id say the jury's still out....bolasie, lookman, Williams, sandro, morgan, rooney, klasson ....most brought for a lot of money but yet to prove anywhere near worthwhile. Only gueye has shone imo.

It would be unforgivable if we dont  get a world class striker/some pace in given we knew Rom was off very early doors....especially as it feels we 've wasted time on targets who weren't a necessity. Gonna throw this out there....i think koemans signings have generally been poor/bad value for money. (Awaits barrage of abuse ! )
So can you say with honesty they are worse than the dros they replaced ???...from Martinez's phenomenal team .
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: van der Meyde on August 30, 2017, 01:47:30 AM
Nothing
We
Were
EVER
Going
To
Do
This
Window
Would
Have
Made
Top 4
Possible.

Spelt that out for you one word at a time so you can see the massive error that is the root cause of your disastrous attitude towards us.
Make top 4 this season possible? No. Make top 4 in future seasons possible though? Yes.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that we could have done more in that regard at all.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Blue Lagoon on August 30, 2017, 01:48:21 AM
What we have done this summer is in stark contrast to anything we've done in twenty years. Yes we need a striker but overall it's been a hugely positive shift in outlook and momentum from the club.
The players of outstanding world class quality won't be bought yet, as we're not appealing enough yet. We are moving in that direction though. Koeman did say he wants a striker of sufficient quality to improve the first team or if not possible a younger player with promise. That in itself is a nod to the fact we can't buy the very best.
Sure we need a striker but it's worth remembering how bad we've been for decades and the huge strides forward we're making - even if we're a few ingredients short of a full English.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 01:51:52 AM
Although it feels too early to make judgement, have to admit not overwhelmed by our business to date which has felt lazy and predictable. I'm sure keane and pickford will prove good buys but we paid proper money for them. As for the rest of koemans signings id say the jury's still out....bolasie, lookman, Williams, sandro, morgan, rooney, klasson ....most brought for a lot of money but yet to prove anywhere near worthwhile. Only gueye has shone imo.

It would be unforgivable if we dont  get a world class striker/some pace in given we knew Rom was off very early doors....especially as it feels we 've wasted time on targets who weren't a necessity. Gonna throw this out there....i think koemans signings have generally been poor/bad value for money. (Awaits barrage of abuse ! )

Lazy and predictable. Rooney perhaps, I don't see what is lazy or predictable about any of the others ???

I'll give you bad value for money on Bolasie, poor for Williams (which is a shame because he was essential at Swansea and for Wales). None of the rest really, some still unproven either way.

I'm laying off the striker part. It's being done to death already.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 01:52:00 AM
Although it feels too early to make judgement, have to admit not overwhelmed by our business to date which has felt lazy and predictable. I'm sure keane and pickford will prove good buys but we paid proper money for them. As for the rest of koemans signings id say the jury's still out....bolasie, lookman, Williams, sandro, morgan, rooney, klasson ....most brought for a lot of money but yet to prove anywhere near worthwhile. Only gueye has shone imo.

It would be unforgivable if we dont  get a world class striker/some pace in given we knew Rom was off very early doors....especially as it feels we 've wasted time on targets who weren't a necessity. Gonna throw this out there....i think koemans signings have generally been poor/bad value for money. (Awaits barrage of abuse ! )



Too early to judge the ones this summer

Stek  - he is what he is. A back up keeper
Gueye - awesome
Williams - divides opinion. Don't think he's been at his best but is nowhere near as bad as people make out
Bolasie - started to look good but injury came to early for a proper judgement
Look man - potential is there for all to see
Big Morgs - has looked class in about 95% of games he's played.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: everton1952 on August 30, 2017, 01:59:40 AM
Defeatist must be delighted that so many people take the bait every time. He would make a good Lord Haw Haw in WW2. (He was hanged by the way, although I am not for one moment suggesting such a thing, even if we sign nobody)
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Martip on August 30, 2017, 02:04:34 AM
Too early to judge the ones this summer

Stek  - he is what he is. A back up keeper
Gueye - awesome Agreed
Williams - divides opinion. Don't think he's been at his best but is nowhere near as bad as people make out. Lazy expensive signing
Bolasie - started to look good but injury came to early for a proper judgement. Looked ok at times but was worth nowhere near the money.
Look man - potential is there for all to see. Jurys still out
Big Morgs - has looked class in about 95% of games he's played. Done ok imo.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 02:16:32 AM
At what point have we been priced out of a move?

There's nothing else Moshiri can really do - if a player doesn't want to move or the club aren't going to sell, it's not his fault, is it?

The fact that we haven't replaced Lukaku yet isn't Moshiri's doing at all.

Plus the Liver Building thing is a great talking point for winding up the RS - wouldn't you say?

I couldn't give a damn to be honest, genuinely couldn't care less. I want us to buy some players
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 02:18:00 AM
I couldn't give a damn to be honest, genuinely couldn't care less. I want us to buy some players

So what were Pickford, Keane, Rooney, Klassens, Sigurdsson, Sandro, Martina? Scotch Mist? We have signed players.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 02:19:48 AM
Say it ain't so, are you really a Red? i feel dry bummed, i believed in you, you swine.

No I'm not
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 30, 2017, 02:20:22 AM
I couldn't give a damn to be honest, genuinely couldn't care less. I want us to buy some players
What you mean is you want us to sign players you want. Let's face it we have signes eight so far, not like about five or six years back when we were singing drenthe on deadline day
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: gizzblue on August 30, 2017, 02:27:30 AM
What you mean is you want us to sign players you want. Let's face it we have signes eight so far, not like about five or six years back when we were singing drenthe on deadline day
He wanted Neymar ,Mbappe, Dembele , and ended up with ...Salah some kid and keita in 2020 or something .. .plus he's gonna lose Cuntinho .
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 02:27:39 AM
Although it feels too early to make judgement, have to admit not overwhelmed by our business to date which has felt lazy and predictable. I'm sure keane and pickford will prove good buys but we paid proper money for them. As for the rest of koemans signings id say the jury's still out....bolasie, lookman, Williams, sandro, morgan, rooney, klasson ....most brought for a lot of money but yet to prove anywhere near worthwhile. Only gueye has shone imo.

It would be unforgivable if we dont  get a world class striker/some pace in given we knew Rom was off very early doors....especially as it feels we 've wasted time on targets who weren't a necessity. Gonna throw this out there....i think koemans signings have generally been poor/bad value for money. (Awaits barrage of abuse ! )

This guy knows. Koemans signings are trash
Gueye is quality, Pickford looks good, Keane looks ok but they both cost £60m so you'd somewhat expect them to be decent
Oh don't worry mate the abuse will come because you don't sing from the other forumers hymn sheet

As for the -35 karma - get a grip man
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: bacon sarnie on August 30, 2017, 02:29:16 AM
I hate international breaks.

Specially when they clash with transfer windows.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 02:30:26 AM
This guy knows. Koemans signings are trash
Gueye is quality, Pickford looks good, Keane looks ok but they both cost £60m so you'd somewhat expect them to be decent
Oh don't worry mate the abuse will come because you don't sing from the other forumers hymn sheet

As for the -35 karma - get a grip man

Pack that shit in. It's got nothing to do with not conforming to other people's opinions as been explained to you a number of times. It's when the same stuff is repeated over and over again in a negative manner and when you either dismiss or ignore logical responses.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 02:33:00 AM
Might as well just right the season off now eh lads
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 02:34:16 AM
Might as well just right the season off now eh lads

Season? Might as well just get a shotgun, put it under the chin and end it all
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: gizzblue on August 30, 2017, 02:35:23 AM
Might as well just right the season off now eh lads
Best tell RK and Moshiri. ..Defeatist and Martip have said not this year .
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 02:38:12 AM
Pissing myself laughing @Macca77 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1930) @Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169)  lolol
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 02:39:38 AM
Hang on, we're only 36 more points away from safety, so its not as bad as it seems, stay strong blues, I believe in each and every one of you, we can do this together
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2017, 02:39:41 AM
On the plus side The false dawn and the Stark realisation is definitely a great episode title for Game of Thrones
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 02:41:02 AM
On the plus side The false dawn and the Stark realisation is definitely a great episode title for Game of Thrones

Beat me to it you swine
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 02:42:33 AM
Season? Might as well just get a shotgun, put it under the chin and end it all

Where's @MrWhite (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6530)? I don't think he needs his shotgun anymore...
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Trublue on August 30, 2017, 02:43:42 AM
We can't judge Sandro on 3 competitive matches, one of them against the Champions of the Country.  He has to be given time to settle and get used to English Football.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 02:43:45 AM
Season? Might as well just get a shotgun, put it under the chin and end it all

Knowing my luck id still miss
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 02:45:31 AM
On the plus side The false dawn and the Stark realisation is definitely a great episode title for Game of Thrones

The false DORNE, surely?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2017, 02:46:33 AM
The false DORNE, surely?

Now you are talking my language!
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Martip on August 30, 2017, 02:47:46 AM
Best tell RK and Moshiri. ..Defeatist and Martip have said not this year .
I can't tell you how happy I'd be to be proved wrong but just think we haven't improved the starting 11 much in this window despite spending wads if cash.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: gizzblue on August 30, 2017, 02:53:14 AM
I can't tell you how happy I'd be to be proved wrong but just think we haven't improved the starting 11 much in this window despite spending wads if cash.
When is -1.3 million wads of cash ??.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 02:54:19 AM
Just hope Walsh sends all the ravens out early
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Jimmywhack on August 30, 2017, 02:54:21 AM
I can't tell you how happy I'd be to be proved wrong but just think we haven't improved the starting 11 much in this window despite spending wads if cash.
See where your coming from

Pickford is a downgrade to Robles
Keane the same to mori
Sigurdsson is worse than mirallas and well rooney is just shit isn't he
That klaasen lad, he isn't up to speed yet and already has contributed in three goals, he's poor
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2017, 02:55:36 AM
I miss the days of pretending to bid for Negredo and underbidding for Vadis Ofoe. Halycon fucking days them.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 02:56:16 AM
See where your coming from

Pickford is a downgrade to Robles
Keane the same to mori
Sigurdsson is worse than mirallas and well rooney is just shit isn't he
That klaasen lad, he isn't up to speed yet and already has contributed in three goals, he's poor

They're all shite to be honest

@Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) pass me that shotgun
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2017, 02:58:15 AM
Just hope Walsh sends all the ravens out early

Just hope Walsh sends all the ravens out early

He's got three eyed Ramirez on it.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: blueToffee on August 30, 2017, 02:59:04 AM
They're all shite to be honest

@Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) pass me that shotgun

Shotgun? Pssh...

(https://i2.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Thrones-Tarly.jpg?fit=740%2C+9999&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C385px&ssl=1)
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 03:00:52 AM
They're all shite to be honest

@Brownie20 (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=169) pass me that shotgun

Don't be such a selfish loser.

Even with a your average break-action there would be two shells so think of the rest of us before you go, eh?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 03:00:58 AM
I miss the days of pretending to bid for Negredo and underbidding for Vadis Ofoe. Halycon fucking days them.

Remember when we released Pistone then resigned him a few weeks later, that day will never be bettered, the whole world was shocked
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: bogie on August 30, 2017, 03:01:12 AM
He wanted Neymar ,Mbappe, Dembele , and ended up with ...Salah some kid and keita in 2020 or something .. .plus he's gonna lose Cuntinho .

lol and the Keita deal is a joke he can still go to other clubs next year if he really wants to
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Martip on August 30, 2017, 03:02:27 AM
See where your coming from

Pickford is a downgrade to Robles
Keane the same to mori
Sigurdsson is worse than mirallas and well rooney is just shit isn't he
That klaasen lad, he isn't up to speed yet and already has contributed in three goals, he's poor
If I'm honest If we get the striker and winger with pace we need I cant see rooney or klassen should start......
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: 74Blue on August 30, 2017, 03:02:28 AM
Gueye is quality, Pickford looks good, Keane looks ok but they both cost £60m so you'd somewhat expect them to be decent
Simple fact is that even though they cost £60m, we'd have absolutely no problem getting our investment on them back if we were looking to sell them.
Even after just a few games, I'm absolutely convinced that we absolutely fucking rinsed Sunderland for Pickford. I really feel that he's that good.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 03:05:29 AM
Shotgun? Pssh...

(https://i2.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Thrones-Tarly.jpg?fit=740%2C+9999&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C385px&ssl=1)

Dracarys!
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: blueToffee on August 30, 2017, 03:05:42 AM
Simple fact is that even though they cost £60m, we'd have absolutely no problem getting our investment on them back if we were looking to sell them.
Even after just a few games, I'm absolutely convinced that we absolutely fucking rinsed Sunderland for Pickford. I really feel that he's that good.

Since the Neymar deal, Pickford's value in the marketplace is already about 50% higher than we paid for him. We'd probably make 700% profit on Gueye if we sold him now too. Ridiculous really.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: van der Meyde on August 30, 2017, 03:27:18 AM
If after the next 3 days we are in the same boat, I believe serious questions must be asked about preparedness or willingness to resolve the squads deficiencies.
I think there's a willingness and probably a preparedness to resolve the squad's deficiencies.

I'm just not sure they're identifying the right deficiencies or solutions to them.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Lazarou on August 30, 2017, 03:35:37 AM
Remember when we released Pistone then resigned him a few weeks later, that day will never be bettered, the whole world was shocked

I was just Embarrassed. That barnet and alice band.

(http://i.imgur.com/IvCVdWw.jpg)
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Silas on August 30, 2017, 03:42:54 AM
I was just Embarrassed. That barnet and alice band.

(http://i.imgur.com/IvCVdWw.jpg)

Looks like a snapchat filter that shows you what you would like as a woman
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 03:43:04 AM
I was just Embarrassed. That barnet and alice band.

(http://i.imgur.com/IvCVdWw.jpg)

Sex on legs
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 30, 2017, 04:49:57 AM
Why do people even bother replying to this depressing, trolling, negative, defeatist.

Shit...
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: gizzblue on August 30, 2017, 04:51:35 AM
Why do people even bother replying to this depressing, trolling, negative, defeatist.

Shit...
Because feeding the troll can be a great pastime in of itself 😅😅.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 04:51:44 AM
Hey this has been a fun thread, fun is good for moral
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 04:58:00 AM
Why do people even bother replying to this depressing, trolling, negative, defeatist.

Shit...

It's fun
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 05:26:48 AM
Simple fact is that even though they cost £60m, we'd have absolutely no problem getting our investment on them back if we were looking to sell them.
Even after just a few games, I'm absolutely convinced that we absolutely fucking rinsed Sunderland for Pickford. I really feel that he's that good.

I agree he looks top drawer, the rest of his signings except Gueye are iffy
I'm not trolling by the way
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: stirlingblue on August 30, 2017, 01:40:03 PM
I agree he looks top drawer, the rest of his signings except Gueye are iffy
I'm not trolling by the way

In what way does Keane look iffy!?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Escla on August 30, 2017, 01:44:24 PM
In what way does Keane look iffy!?

What ! He's more iffy than Pickford and definitely more iffy than Schneiderlin !
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: brap2 on August 30, 2017, 01:48:34 PM
In what way does Keane look iffy!?

I like the look of Keane and I think he's going to be a good player for us but I think Jags is still the best defender at the club.

Think Keane needs a Distin next to him personally, but instead he has two players who are very similar. Don't think Keane is that comfortable stepping out onto the ball and winning it. He definitely looks a bit ponderous on the turn and slow across the ground.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Bally on August 30, 2017, 01:51:33 PM
I was just Embarrassed. That barnet and alice band.

(http://i.imgur.com/IvCVdWw.jpg)
Looks like a rough version of The Ram
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
Keane  - superb
Pickford  - superb
Rooney - superb
Klaassen - needs time to adjust
Sandro - as above
Martina - nah

Gana - amazeballs
Schneiderlin - as above
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Lxxx on August 30, 2017, 03:21:04 PM
Keane  - superb
Pickford  - superb
Rooney - superb
Klaassen - needs time to adjust
Sandro - as above
Martina - nah

Gana - amazeballs
Schneiderlin - as above


You can throw in DCL - superb as well, as he joined roughly the same time as Gana.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 03:22:22 PM
You can throw in DCL - superb as well, as he joined roughly the same time as Gana.

His bird certainly is
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 03:25:13 PM
(http://i2.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article13171512.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/DCL2.jpg)

And yes it's all Everton lads in that shot, with two missing off camera!
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 03:46:54 PM
Anyone else check sky sports news as soon as they wake up for any hint of more signings only to be disappointed for another day, then close the app again?

Bad times
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Lxxx on August 30, 2017, 03:49:33 PM
Anyone else check sky sports news as soon as they wake up for any hint of more signings only to be disappointed for another day, then close the app again?

Bad times

I tend to have a bit more going on in my life but each to their own.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Bluedylan on August 30, 2017, 03:51:55 PM
Anyone else check sky sports news as soon as they wake up for any hint of more signings only to be disappointed for another day, then close the app again?

Bad times

You've signed that Keita lad for next summer, and there's still a chance you could get VVD, Lemar or the Ox.

No pleasing some people.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: TheRam on August 30, 2017, 03:53:50 PM
Anyone else check sky sports news as soon as they wake up for any hint of more signings only to be disappointed for another day, then close the app again?

Bad times

Nah, I got ready for work and got on with life.

Also, what are you expecting to happen between the time you go asleep to the time you wake up?

Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 03:56:26 PM
Anyone else check sky sports news as soon as they wake up for any hint of more signings only to be disappointed for another day, then close the app again?

Bad times

No, I have this thing called a life. It takes up quite a bit of my time really. There's getting the kids' breakfast sorted, having a shower and getting myself sorted then doing things that need to be doing around the house. Usually don't start checking stuff until my morning toilet visit.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 03:57:59 PM
I tend to have a bit more going on in my life but each to their own.

Course you do, so you're on the forum in the morning but you haven't checked for any transfer news?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 03:58:55 PM
When I've got time on my hands I'm absolutely keeping track of the football rumours. This obsession will end after the transfer window closes!

p.s. I'd rather not have this much time on my hands but ah well, should change soon.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 04:00:27 PM
I sit up all night watching sky sports news in the hope some positive news will break, also have my laptop on my knee and F5 like a fucking maniac for the same reason

I have no life.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 04:01:08 PM
Nah, I got ready for work and got on with life.

Also, what are you expecting to happen between the time you go asleep to the time you wake up?

God knows, the board or Koeman to actually try and replace Lukaku?
Because they're not doing anything during normal office hours so I gathered they must be working nights?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 04:03:24 PM
God knows, the board or Koeman to actually try and replace Lukaku?
Because they're not doing anything during normal office hours so I gathered they must be working nights?

Sat with them are you, looking over their shoulder 24/7 to know they're not doing anything?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 04:05:56 PM
Sat with them are you, looking over their shoulder 24/7 to know they're not doing anything?

Nope I just see nobody has been bought or bid on.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 04:09:30 PM
Nope I just see nobody has been bought or bid on.

Not all business is initially done in public. Do you honestly think Walsh is sat doing the Times crossword, drinking Green Tea and going "I hope a striker just falls into our laps."?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: TheRam on August 30, 2017, 04:11:42 PM
Nope I just see nobody has been bought or bid on.

How do you know that?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 04:24:47 PM
How do you know that?

Isn't it obvious, he is Bran Stark
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Escla on August 30, 2017, 04:26:32 PM
Nope I just see nobody has been bought or bid on

Defeatist checking on our transfers, note he's taken his poster of Coutinho off the wall ?

https://i.imgflip.com/ed23n.jpg
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Jamokachi on August 30, 2017, 04:41:32 PM
Stop feeding the troll, for absolute fuck sakes.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 04:45:31 PM
Stop feeding the troll, for absolute fuck sakes.

No, it's good for mental stimulation.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 04:47:51 PM
One small thing I'm finding funny but I almost don't want to stick my neck out and say it.

If everyone is so busy with life how come there is a five-deep queue waiting to fist the red whenever he posts lolol
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 04:49:58 PM
One small thing I'm finding funny but I almost don't want to stick my neck out and say it.

If everyone is so busy with life how come there is a five-deep queue waiting to fist the red whenever he posts lolol

I'm on my holidays
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 04:51:59 PM
I'm on my holidays

Wasn't really after a serious explanation mate, as you said many are finding the reverse-trolling fun, including me!
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 04:52:44 PM
I'm on my holidays

You must be having the time of your life, you're never off here
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 04:54:03 PM
You must be having the time of your life, you're never off here

I can multi task bud.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 04:55:47 PM
One small thing I'm finding funny but I almost don't want to stick my neck out and say it.

If everyone is so busy with life how come there is a five-deep queue waiting to fist the red whenever he posts lolol

I've explained 1000 times I'm not a red. So I'll ask you the question I ask others who come out with the same crap - why if my thoughts are not the same as yours am I immediately labelled a Liverpool fan or a troll?

Go on all you's want, but I know deep down if you are all proper fans then you's will have the same fears as me, only one or two on here have the courage to step away from the pack & actually say it
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 04:56:45 PM
I can multi task bud.

Quite sad that you're on holiday and you're posting here every 5 minutes, where are you in Rhyl?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Escla on August 30, 2017, 04:58:17 PM
No, it's good for mental stimulation.

But it's also cruel, he probably has the mental capacity of a hamster.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 04:59:06 PM
Not all business is initially done in public. Do you honestly think Walsh is sat doing the Times crossword, drinking Green Tea and going "I hope a striker just falls into our laps."?

I've no idea what he is doing, what he's not doing is replacing last season's 25 goal striker, maybe he's trying to find Enner Valencia?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: MrWhite on August 30, 2017, 05:00:02 PM
(http://theurbanchica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/82623100.jpg)
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 05:00:22 PM
But it's also cruel, he probably has the mental capacity of a hamster.

Moron
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 05:01:33 PM
(http://theurbanchica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/82623100.jpg)

Explain why I'm trolling? Where's Lukakus replacement?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 05:03:47 PM
I've explained 1000 times I'm not a red. So I'll ask you the question I ask others who come out with the same crap - why if my thoughts are not the same as yours am I immediately labelled a Liverpool fan or a troll?

Unlike most I won't just 'tool' you (I know you don't care anyway) for just posting negative opinions. I wouldn't even mind if you were a redshite because you're very polite until provoked.

The red part is the whole nature of how you go about your posting really man, I don't know how you cannot see it, you just seem completely joyless about what it is to be a 'toffee'.

Whilst I was doing this you've managed the cliché of repeating things you've already asked over and again.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Gash on August 30, 2017, 05:04:08 PM
To be honest, if people commented on his original point rather than jumping on him every time he posts there would probably be a half decent thread going on. Sometimes it's better not to comment at all rather than get involved in some petty name calling.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: brap2 on August 30, 2017, 05:09:32 PM
To be honest, if people commented on his original point rather than jumping on him every time he posts there would probably be a half decent thread going on. Sometimes it's better not to comment at all rather than get involved in some petty name calling.

Don't really know what people are getting out of it.

Made up to be desperate our 19 year old reserve striker starts 40+ games this year are we lads?

Questions are rightfully being asked, maybe in an annoying way but there's a conversation there to be had like. Think more agree with him than are letting on an all.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: MrWhite on August 30, 2017, 05:10:51 PM
Explain why I'm trolling? Where's Lukakus replacement?

Despite previous reactions, you keep doing the same thing. Ergo, troll. If you're not a troll, why are you so aggressive with your posts?

Lukaku's replacement? Exactly which top class striker could we buy that would agree to come to a team not in the Champion's League? If you just mean a striker in general, please check your calendar. The window doesn't close for a couple of days yet.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 05:11:23 PM
Quite sad that you're on holiday and you're posting here every 5 minutes, where are you in Rhyl?

Well, I'm an early riser and have done a lot of what I need to be done by 7am. I'm also a night owl so don't need to do loads during the day. I also have six weeks holidays and I like to spend it reading the forum and catching up on threads that I don't get time to when I'm working. No, I'm not from Rhyl.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Jamokachi on August 30, 2017, 05:12:41 PM
To be honest, if people commented on his original point rather than jumping on him every time he posts there would probably be a half decent thread going on. Sometimes it's better not to comment at all rather than get involved in some petty name calling.

That's bullshit Gash, and you know it. These threads are sensationalist and are only designed to provoke a reaction. The shame is that so many people get suckered in.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Escla on August 30, 2017, 05:14:00 PM
That's bullshit Gash, and you know it. These threads are sensationalist and are only designed to provoke a reaction. The shame is that so many people get suckered in.
Second that !
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 05:14:42 PM
Don't really know what people are getting out of it.

Made up to be desperate our 19 year old reserve striker starts 40+ games this year are we lads?

Questions are rightfully being asked, maybe in an annoying way but there's a conversation there to be had like. Think more agree with him than are letting on an all.

Also @Gash (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14)

There is already a thread dedicated to critiquing our "New Striker" options, and lack thereof many are concerned about. How is started lots of little mini-arguments and looping them back to "Tell me why I'm wrong boys" a good concept for a discussion?

@Jamokachi (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=9) and @Escla (https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5210) sort of agree
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: MrWhite on August 30, 2017, 05:15:33 PM
To be honest, if people commented on his original point rather than jumping on him every time he posts there would probably be a half decent thread going on. Sometimes it's better not to comment at all rather than get involved in some petty name calling.

Maybe, but given that the actual topics of who we are/should be buying, various players performance and positions is all being discussed, and we're all waiting to see if we actually get any of the important positions covered, which is out of our control..

The thread title does kinda say 'come in and kick the troll'? Unless you really are at the end of your tether, which it seems most people are not..
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Gash on August 30, 2017, 05:15:39 PM
That's bullshit Gash, and you know it. These threads are sensationalist and are only designed to provoke a reaction. The shame is that so many people get suckered in.

Nah, we've seen plenty like him in the past, they come and go. Often it's the people reacting that let themselves down just as badly. Outside of people rising to it there's a discussion to be had even if it's put across in a throughly miserable manner.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 30, 2017, 05:20:46 PM
Don't really know what people are getting out of it.

Made up to be desperate our 19 year old reserve striker starts 40+ games this year are we lads?

Questions are rightfully being asked, maybe in an annoying way but there's a conversation there to be had like. Think more agree with him than are letting on an all.

The problem is, if you responded to him logically and challenge his points (see my seven point response earlier) he either doesn't respond or he comes up with the same stuff again in an even more negative way which then makes it difficult to have a rational debate.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 05:20:50 PM
The thread title does kinda say 'come in and kick the troll'?

Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Lxxx on August 30, 2017, 05:59:17 PM
Surely any 'False dawn and stark realisation' thread should only come into force after the transfer window has ended. Don't know why it wasn't locked and then unlocked on Friday morning to see whether the thread title is even applicable or not.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Escla on August 30, 2017, 06:03:38 PM
Surely any 'False dawn and stark realisation' thread should only come into force after the transfer window has ended. Don't know why it wasn't locked and then unlocked on Friday morning to see whether the thread title is even applicable or not.

Shogun tried to lock it on page 2 but someone must have picked the lock.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: blargins on August 30, 2017, 06:08:39 PM
Surely any 'False dawn and stark realisation' thread should only come into force after the transfer window has ended. Don't know why it wasn't locked and then unlocked on Friday morning to see whether the thread title is even applicable or not.

Or when it actually has a negative impact on the season. So many knee jerks before the team has even had a chance to gel and show what it can (or cannot) do.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: TheRam on August 30, 2017, 06:18:23 PM
Don't see any false dawn tbh.

More to running a football club than transfers and if you can't see we're heading in the right direction then I don't know what you want.

Yeah it'll be dissapointing if we don't get a striker in. But it's merely a blip on what's been a very productive and ambitious 18 months for the club.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: everton1952 on August 30, 2017, 06:24:47 PM
Judging from Koeman's comments it won't be a blip to him. 2 weeks ago he said he would like 2 new strikers, now he has reduced his remarks to the singular. Of course he may have to make do, but he won't like it and will say so when people question negative performances.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 06:34:37 PM
Don't see any false dawn tbh.

More to running a football club than transfers and if you can't see we're heading in the right direction then I don't know what you want.

Yeah it'll be dissapointing if we don't get a striker in. But it's merely a blip on what's been a very productive and ambitious 18 months for the club.


And the truth shall set you free.....
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: GLewis on August 30, 2017, 06:41:17 PM
Judging from Koeman's comments it won't be a blip to him. 2 weeks ago he said he would like 2 new strikers, now he has reduced his remarks to the singular. Of course he may have to make do, but he won't like it and will say so when people question negative performances.

One of them was Sigurdsson but yes, he definitely wants a target man striker.

He'll be fuming if we don't get one.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Macca77 on August 30, 2017, 06:42:23 PM
He was livid last summer wasn't he, I expect he will be worse this.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
Despite previous reactions, you keep doing the same thing. Ergo, troll. If you're not a troll, why are you so aggressive with your posts?

Lukaku's replacement? Exactly which top class striker could we buy that would agree to come to a team not in the Champion's League? If you just mean a striker in general, please check your calendar. The window doesn't close for a couple of days yet.

Example of my aggression please?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Lxxx on August 30, 2017, 06:50:26 PM
I get he'll be furious but at what stage do you stop jumping up and down and moaning about what you haven't got and start trying to fashion a formation and style of play that gets the best use of what you do have. We don't have a bad squad at all and we have the numbers now that we haven't had for as long as I can remember.
No manager in the league is happy with what they have, even Mourinho and Guardiola want more and they've spent about half a billion between them on their squads over the past few years.

At some point you have to accept the board may or may not have done enough and then knuckle down with what you have. I get the impression Koeman will be intentionally brooding in public for the next few weeks and not shy in letting everyone know it, instead of keeping his counsel and working overtime to try to find a system that suits the players he has at his disposal.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 06:50:32 PM
That's bullshit Gash, and you know it. These threads are sensationalist and are only designed to provoke a reaction. The shame is that so many people get suckered in.

Why would a mod back my corner? Maybe you're just too easily drawn into pack mentality?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on August 30, 2017, 06:55:02 PM
That's bullshit Gash, and you know it. These threads are sensationalist and are only designed to provoke a reaction. The shame is that so many people get suckered in.

Spot on.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: 74Blue on August 30, 2017, 06:59:05 PM
Go on all you's want, but I know deep down if you are all proper fans then you's will have the same fears as me, only one or two on here have the courage to step away from the pack & actually say it
I obviously can't speak for the rest of the pack, but I can answer for myself. The views that I have posted are my own genuine honest opinion, based upon what I believe has been actual improvement to the squad overall over the summer.
Like I said earlier, we needed some upgrades in certain areas and the club have brought some of these in. We now have a keeper that would be first choice at the majority of teams in the PL, we have an upgrade on Funes Mori, we have a replacement for Barkley, who no longer wants to be here (his decision, not the club's) and we have sold another player, who did not want to be here at a significant profit.
It's quite true that we haven't brought in a replacement goal machine, but how many times last season were Lukaku's goals actually the difference between us winning and losing games? Check the stats, and you will discover that he was not quite as pivotal as you thought he was. I'm still quietly confident that Koeman and Walsh know exactly who they want in to fill the centre forward berth, and I would wager that the player that they have in mind is far more likely to be more of a target man than Lukaku. Don't get me wrong, Lukaku's goal scoring record on paper is as impressive as anybody's, but watching him lose pretty much every aerial challenge, failing to hold the ball up with monotonous regularity and spending large portions of games pointing to the imaginary bit of space where he wanted the ball is not really what you want to see from the focal point of your team. That's before the constant bitching and whining about not wanting to be at Everton anymore.
It's a crying shame that a certain Duncan Ferguson isn't 20 years younger. I think he would have fitted Koeman' s vision perfectly.
Is me having an opinion ok with you Mr Superfan?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Gash on August 30, 2017, 07:00:22 PM
Why would a mod back my corner? Maybe you're just too easily drawn into pack mentality?

I'm not backing your corner, there's a valid point to your thread but you do come across as a thoroughly miserable, negative person. Even now, while the thread is getting back on topic you're still nipping back at people rather than just let things go.

It's best that people get it back on topic or just don't bother replying.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 07:02:03 PM
I get he'll be furious but at what stage do you stop jumping up and down and moaning about what you haven't got and start trying to fashion a formation and style of play that gets the best use of what you do have. We don't have a bad squad at all and we have the numbers now that we haven't had for as long as I can remember.
No manager in the league is happy with what they have, even Mourinho and Guardiola want more and they've spent about half a billion between them on their squads over the past few years.

At some point you have to accept the board may or may not have done enough and then knuckle down with what you have. I get the impression Koeman will be intentionally brooding in public for the next few weeks and not shy in letting everyone know it, instead of keeping his counsel and working overtime to try to find a system that suits the players he has at his disposal.

I see what you are saying about knuckling down and working with what you have, that should be happening already. Surely Koeman is entitled to keep on talking about wanting a striker for the moment, maybe if he's still bleating in a fortnight/past the next match you'd have a point. It is not just Koeman that thinks we are lacking one more centre-forward is it?

As it stands, if Dominic and Wayne got crocked who is left to play upfront? Ramírez or nobody :-\
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Lxxx on August 30, 2017, 07:13:24 PM
I see what you are saying about knuckling down and working with what you have, that should be happening already. Surely Koeman is entitled to keep on talking about wanting a striker for the moment, maybe if he's still bleating in a fortnight/past the next match you'd have a point. It is not just Koeman that thinks we are lacking one more centre-forward is it?

As it stands, if Dominic and Wayne got crocked who is left to play upfront? Ramírez or nobody :-\

I get what you're saying but it took us nearly 5 weeks and £45m to sign Sigurdsson. If the striking position was so badly lacking shouldn't that have been the focus then for over a month instead of trying to appease a manager who it looks like has said 'Get him at all costs.'

I'm not saying Sig isn't a good signing but it wasn't an area that was screaming and flashing in need of urgent attention. Maybe if we would have spent time, money and effort on a striker as a priority we would have been scrabbling round now for attacking midfield support instead, with the difference being anyone being brought in now would have been supplementary to the good options we already have, instead of frantically trying to fill a gaping hole in the squad.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 07:30:24 PM
I'm not backing your corner, there's a valid point to your thread but you do come across as a thoroughly miserable, negative person. Even now, while the thread is getting back on topic you're still nipping back at people rather than just let things go.

It's best that people get it back on topic or just don't bother replying.

I didn't mean back my corner in the traditional sense, I just meant why would you agree there's a discussion to be had
I'm not nipping back at people but I'm just responding when I catch up with the thread
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 07:31:54 PM
I obviously can't speak for the rest of the pack, but I can answer for myself. The views that I have posted are my own genuine honest opinion, based upon what I believe has been actual improvement to the squad overall over the summer.
Like I said earlier, we needed some upgrades in certain areas and the club have brought some of these in. We now have a keeper that would be first choice at the majority of teams in the PL, we have an upgrade on Funes Mori, we have a replacement for Barkley, who no longer wants to be here (his decision, not the club's) and we have sold another player, who did not want to be here at a significant profit.
It's quite true that we haven't brought in a replacement goal machine, but how many times last season were Lukaku's goals actually the difference between us winning and losing games? Check the stats, and you will discover that he was not quite as pivotal as you thought he was. I'm still quietly confident that Koeman and Walsh know exactly who they want in to fill the centre forward berth, and I would wager that the player that they have in mind is far more likely to be more of a target man than Lukaku. Don't get me wrong, Lukaku's goal scoring record on paper is as impressive as anybody's, but watching him lose pretty much every aerial challenge, failing to hold the ball up with monotonous regularity and spending large portions of games pointing to the imaginary bit of space where he wanted the ball is not really what you want to see from the focal point of your team. That's before the constant bitching and whining about not wanting to be at Everton anymore.
It's a crying shame that a certain Duncan Ferguson isn't 20 years younger. I think he would have fitted Koeman' s vision perfectly.
Is me having an opinion ok with you Mr Superfan?

I'm cool with that man, thanks for the response & I take your comments on board
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 07:33:08 PM
That's bullshit Gash, and you know it. These threads are sensationalist and are only designed to provoke a reaction. The shame is that so many people get suckered in.

Maybe the title was a tad dramatic, but I'm just expressing my feelings at the moment & contrary to what people say or think I want the club to be a huge success the same as the rest of you
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 07:35:01 PM
Spot on.

Designed to provoke a reaction yes but the only reaction I want is a discussion & people's views, it's not my fault people start acting daft when I post a thread is it?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 07:45:47 PM
I get what you're saying but it took us nearly 5 weeks and £45m to sign Sigurdsson. If the striking position was so badly lacking shouldn't that have been the focus then for over a month instead of trying to appease a manager who it looks like has said 'Get him at all costs.'

I'm not saying Sig isn't a good signing but it wasn't an area that was screaming and flashing in need of urgent attention. Maybe if we would have spent time, money and effort on a striker as a priority we would have been scrabbling round now for attacking midfield support instead, with the difference being anyone being brought in now would have been supplementary to the good options we already have, instead of frantically trying to fill a gaping hole in the squad.

There is no doubt Koeman was a big influence on persisting with Sigurdsson. It does not necessarily directly correlate with not looking for a striker, perhaps key people's time was taken up negotiating with Swansea, but I consider it equally likely that is nothing to do with it, we've just struggled to identify an attainable target or negotiations we don't know about are in progess.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: 74Blue on August 30, 2017, 07:55:28 PM
Designed to provoke a reaction yes but the only reaction I want is a discussion & people's views, it's not my fault people start acting daft when I post a thread is it?
Reactions, views and discussions are what forums are all about. It would be really boring of every single fan shared the exact same opinion. I am very much of the opinion that we have done some decent business this summer and improvements have been made. However, I'm not so blinkered that I can't see that we are still a way off being able to mix it with the real European elite. I'm just happy to see progress being made, but I do understand that some just want success right away. I get that some are concerned that we Don't appear to have adequately replaced Lukaku yet, but I also feel that RK is looking to revamp the squad, rather than just replacing like for like. In any case, goal machines are a very scarce commodity.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Lxxx on August 30, 2017, 08:10:24 PM
There is no doubt Koeman was a big influence on persisting with Sigurdsson. It does not necessarily directly correlate with not looking for a striker, perhaps key people's time was taken up negotiating with Swansea, but I consider it equally likely that is nothing to do with it, we've just struggled to identify an attainable target or negotiations we don't know about are in progess.

Fair points but a major part of this window will be judged on how we have replaced the goals of the one top drawer player we had in the squad, which we let go for a huge amount of money. Saying we've spread them around is valid to a degree but at some point you need a reliable front man to play off and contribute himself.

Of course we may still do that in the 36 hours left in the window but failure to do it, after knowing Lukaku was wanting to go for over a year and then eventually going 6 weeks ago, is pretty poor whichever way you look at it.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on August 30, 2017, 08:15:02 PM
Of course we may still do that in the 36 hours left in the window but failure to do it, after knowing Lukaku was wanting to go for over a year and then eventually going 6 weeks ago, is pretty poor whichever way you look at it.

Aye, very important 36 hours but OK, still we have this time to get the striker we need.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Bally on August 30, 2017, 10:19:31 PM
Don't see any false dawn tbh.

More to running a football club than transfers and if you can't see we're heading in the right direction then I don't know what you want.

Yeah it'll be dissapointing if we don't get a striker in. But it's merely a blip on what's been a very productive and ambitious 18 months for the club.
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Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: MrWhite on August 30, 2017, 11:01:23 PM
Example of my aggression please?
Using statements to ask questions, as you have just done, again. It's like your making demands.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 30, 2017, 11:08:01 PM
Using statements to ask questions, as you have just done, again. It's like your making demands.

You see the word please?
So you called me aggressive, I asked for an example and you said that's being aggressive?
Haha WTF man
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Escla on August 31, 2017, 12:10:40 AM
If you don't consider your response to Mr.Whites post as aggressive then you have issues.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 31, 2017, 12:13:43 AM
If you don't consider your response to Mr.Whites post as aggressive then you have issues.
Which post? Quote it and show me please
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Escla on August 31, 2017, 12:20:14 AM
Which post? Quote it and show me please
I have no interest in prolonging a dialogue with you, thanks for coming.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Bob Sacamano on August 31, 2017, 12:25:41 AM
Designed to provoke a reaction yes but the only reaction I want is a discussion & people's views, it's not my fault people start acting daft when I post a thread is it?

Always the victim, never their fault. Sounds familiar.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 31, 2017, 02:20:02 AM
I have no interest in prolonging a dialogue with you, thanks for coming.

Haha that's because you know you're talking rubbish and have no substance to back what you're saying!
So long sunshine
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 31, 2017, 02:21:37 AM
Always the victim, never their fault. Sounds familiar.

Bob no offence mate but you're a proper sleeping tablet, I bet you're a very boring man.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Gash on August 31, 2017, 02:25:04 AM
Give it a fucking rest would you all.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 31, 2017, 02:33:07 AM
@Defeatist (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621) sometimes in conversation starting a sentence with a demand can be seen as doing something in an aggressive manner even if you add pleas. In fact the please part can be seen to be a bit condescending when it comes at the end of a demand. We tell the kids not to write/speak  like that in school so as  to avoid confrontation. I'm not saying you were being aggressive in your comments as it's very hard to tell tone when we are reading on here. I've done it in the past.

Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 31, 2017, 02:37:59 AM
@Defeatist (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=6621) sometimes in conversation starting a sentence with a demand can be seen as doing something in an aggressive manner even if you add pleas. In fact the please part can be seen to be a bit condescending when it comes at the end of a demand. We tell the kids not to write/speak  like that in school so as  to avoid confrontation. I'm not saying you were being aggressive in your comments as it's very hard to tell tone when we are reading on here. I've done it in the past.

Demand? To be honest mate I can't be arsed arguing with you, I have probably been passive at best but certainly not aggressive - if you'd like to point out where I was aggressive I'll have a look but this is going nowhere and I don't see the point
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 31, 2017, 02:41:06 AM
Demand? To be honest mate I can't be arsed arguing with you, I have probably been passive at best but certainly not aggressive - if you'd like to point out where I was aggressive I'll have a look but this is going nowhere and I don't see the point

Now see, I was trying to help you here. 'Show me....' and 'Quote me...' are demand triggers for starting a sentence. As I said in the other post I wasn't saying you were being aggressive, but could see why others did. In future though I won't try to help/defend you if that's the attitude
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 31, 2017, 02:43:14 AM
Now see, I was trying to help you here. 'Show me....' and 'Quote me...' are demand triggers for starting a sentence. As I said in the other post I wasn't saying you were being aggressive, but could see why others did. In future though I won't try to help/defend you if that's the attitude

That's fine don't, like I said I've asked (nicely) to be "pointed" to where I was being aggressive and still no one has given me an example
I don't need looking after I'm not a minor
Have a good holiday
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 31, 2017, 02:48:17 AM
That's fine don't, like I said I've asked (nicely) to be "pointed" to where I was being aggressive and still no one has given me an example
I don't need looking after I'm not a minor
Have a good holiday

Everyone needs looking after sometimes sweetheart. Don't be afraid to embrace friendship
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Realist on August 31, 2017, 02:49:50 AM
 
Everyone needs looking after sometimes sweetheart. Don't be afraid to embrace friendship
:blush: :hug: xxxx
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 31, 2017, 02:54:34 AM
  :blush: :hug: xxxx

See? That wasn't so hard now was it?
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Gash on August 31, 2017, 03:00:00 AM
Demand? To be honest mate I can't be arsed arguing with you, I have probably been passive at best but certainly not aggressive - if you'd like to point out where I was aggressive I'll have a look but this is going nowhere and I don't see the point

You're right, so let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Heisenberg on August 31, 2017, 03:20:26 AM
What did we need before the window?

Goalie - Got one, and nailed it in my opinion
2 centre backs- Got one
A winger - Not going to count Sandro as I see him as a wide forward for a formation we don't play
LB cover- Not happening
Striker - This should never have went to deadline day
Striker cover - Rooney? Not very good cover mind, he can't play this position anymore.

That really isn't a good window. We had needs and haven't addressed them
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: arteta4spain on August 31, 2017, 03:32:53 AM
I can't even be arsed going through this thread but I do think we need some perspective. We're not going to attract top drawer players and we're in a funny position because we're better than around 2/3rds of the league. Therefore the calibre of players are very small. This has lead to us possibly being reliant on what other clubs are doing.
We're not City where we can buy whoever we want and with ffp (even if this even exists in the aftermath of the Naymar transfer) it's been extremely difficult to recruit.
We need champions league players for a europa league team.
I think we need to realise that it's not like oh he's what we need let's get him in. Can't see us just hanging onto Girouds every word I think it's just been a very difficult process.
I'm disappointed and yeah starting to fume a little but we're in some kind of transfer limbo and I think our performances will change that for the better or worse. But it's a cyclical effect in that how do we improve if we can't get the better players.
Time will tell I suppose.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: blargins on August 31, 2017, 03:34:35 AM
See? That wasn't so hard now was it?

It is now... :blush:
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Brownie on August 31, 2017, 03:35:43 AM
It is now... :blush:

Now now
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Heisenberg on August 31, 2017, 03:43:42 AM
I can't even be arsed going through this thread but I do think we need some perspective. We're not going to attract top drawer players and we're in a funny position because we're better than around 2/3rds of the league. Therefore the calibre of players are very small. This has lead to us possibly being reliant on what other clubs are doing.
We're not City where we can buy whoever we want and with ffp (even if this even exists in the aftermath of the Naymar transfer) it's been extremely difficult to recruit.
We need champions league players for a europa league team.
I think we need to realise that it's not like oh he's what we need let's get him in. Can't see us just hanging onto Girouds every word I think it's just been a very difficult process.
I'm disappointed and yeah starting to fume a little but we're in some kind of transfer limbo and I think our performances will change that for the better or worse. But it's a cyclical effect in that how do we improve if we can't get the better players.
Time will tell I suppose.

I think the bare minimum what we should have is players to play in every position. We have made ourselves so unbalanced and narrow
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Running Blue on August 31, 2017, 05:00:55 AM
Just wait 3 more days, then you have full license to lose your shit if we don't get what we need.

Let's just see what the next 48 hours brings.

I hope he just loses his NSNO password.
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: MrWhite on August 31, 2017, 07:12:44 PM
You see the word please?
So you called me aggressive, I asked for an example and you said that's being aggressive?
Haha WTF man

Yes, it's being aggressive. Think about talking to people in a public place. If you start leaving out words your statements then sound different. Someone being genuine and polite would say 'Why do you think I'm aggressive'. You adding the 'please' is like my saying 'shut the fuck up you troll' and adding a smiley to pretend I was being polite. Just as your previous 'question' was a demand that I explain why you are a troll..
Title: Re: The false dawn & the stark realisation
Post by: Gash on August 31, 2017, 07:18:15 PM
Jesus, just let it fucking go.