NSNO | Everton Forum

NSNO Forums => The Everton Forum => Topic started by: Toddacelli on September 01, 2017, 07:12:08 PM

Title: What is Sandro?
Post by: Toddacelli on September 01, 2017, 07:12:08 PM
Felt like he was a main striker with all the hype when we were signing him.

Being talked about all across the shop - CF, winger, #10

I liked how he and Rooney switched sides against Sevilla - he seems to have good movement.

And with him and DCL I do feel we have pace upfront - not absolutely electric - but not too shabby either.

How would you play him?


Also - bonus question:

When is he back from injury?
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: TheTone on September 01, 2017, 07:14:53 PM
a sexy bastard who runs around and falls over a lot so far
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: everton1952 on September 01, 2017, 07:21:41 PM
Tell him to score goals and if that does not happen get shut.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 01, 2017, 07:25:06 PM
Very promising player who I hope gets up to speed with the team and communicating with some English ASAP. Doubt we'll know his best position for a good while yet.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 01, 2017, 07:27:40 PM
A 2nd striker, that would play very well off a muscular target man striker, like a Giroud, Das Boot, Dzjeko, etc.... if we had fecking got one ;).

I guess we should play him, Rooney and DCL together, so we have options. He has got a bit of pace, so with him and DCL we shouldnt be pushed right back down the pitch as we have been against better clubs, but unless he is given a run of games, we wont quite know what to expect.

--------- Pickford

RB --- CB --- CB --- LB

--- Gana -- Schneids

------- Sig'n ------------

Rooney --------- Sandro
---------- DCL -----------


You would expect Sandro to be running all over the place, pulling defenders everywhere, whilst DCL does a similar thing but is more of a focal point and Sigurdsson and Rooney are running the show just behind them, whilst Gana and Schniederlin shield but also try and pick out runs. That is assuming we arent as static as we have been. With Coleman back in a few weeks, and assuming we keep our core players fit, we actually have a decent side - but we need to do a lot more training of movement, passes into space, coming for and receiving the ball - we need a much faster paced, dynamic play style, much like the second half of the 2nd game against Rumbelows in Europa when Sandro came off the bench, more urgency from mid to top. The good thing about fucking up getting a striker this window, is that we can now (you would think/hope) carefully and meticulously find the right man, and do a deal for a top striker that would fit right in, early in January. Hopefully.

Positivity!
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 01, 2017, 07:30:18 PM
The best player I have ever seen.  Try to keep up!

In all seriousness, he seems like he plays best alongside Rooney where they both can move around interchangeably.  Would like to see him more in the lone striker role up top when DCL is getting a breather, as well.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on September 01, 2017, 08:03:45 PM
Smouldering.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: hill135 on September 01, 2017, 08:11:35 PM
The illegitimate son of Roberto Martinez?
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: The Blue 3/4 of Liverpool on September 01, 2017, 08:14:38 PM
Son? You mean brother, who knows a good passport faker? :D

Between him, Rooney and Klaassen, we wont be doing any red shite style shampoo adverts lol :) Never mind wash and go, its more wash and went :D
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: MrWhite on September 01, 2017, 08:22:10 PM
Felt like he was a main striker with all the hype when we were signing him.

Being talked about all across the shop - CF, winger, #10

I liked how he and Rooney switched sides against Sevilla - he seems to have good movement.

And with him and DCL I do feel we have pace upfront - not absolutely electric - but not too shabby either.

How would you play him?


Also - bonus question:

When is he back from injury?

His interchangeability will be key I think, once he's up to speed he should be able to switch across the front line. Don't think he can play up front on his own from what we've seen, at least not against teams who will limit our chances and leave him isolated. Maybe he'll get better at that with time though.

Bonus answer - last Sunday?
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 01, 2017, 08:47:36 PM
I think the hope is - and I will be super annoyed if not the case - we didn't set him back by foolishly throwing him on the pitch unfit at Stamford Bridge.

Spurs at home, rested, is a very winnable match.  But we need a fit Sandro to do so.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: bigac on September 01, 2017, 08:52:43 PM
Our saviour! (praying)  :hail:
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Tofifee on September 01, 2017, 09:13:21 PM
What is Sandro you ask...

Je Suis Sandro
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Toddacelli on September 01, 2017, 09:19:29 PM

Bonus answer - last Sunday?

Ha! Thanks

I missed that game and there wasn't a player ratings thread so I sort of missed the comeback (I was at TWO weddings that weekend - madness!)
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 01, 2017, 09:35:05 PM
Ha! Thanks

I missed that game and there wasn't a player ratings thread so I sort of missed the comeback (I was at TWO weddings that weekend - madness!)

1) You really didn't miss much. ESPNFC gave every starter a 5, our madman Mo a 6, DCL a 7 (their Everton correspondent is properly in love with DCL).  It was fucking dire.

2) Stop having so many friends, FFS.  Or have friends with the courtesy to get married on international breaks.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: blueski on September 01, 2017, 09:39:04 PM
a decent player who's either unfit due to an injury or who needs some time to get up to speed for the premier league

thought he looked ok for about 15 minutes of the Chelsea game and was absolutely dire after that
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 01, 2017, 09:51:30 PM
Sexy.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: hill135 on September 01, 2017, 09:54:18 PM
In dire need of a hair transplant
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Brownie20 on September 01, 2017, 09:56:23 PM
A freedom fighter sent back in time to protect mankind from the rise of the machines
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: MrWhite on September 01, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Ha! Thanks

I missed that game and there wasn't a player ratings thread so I sort of missed the comeback (I was at TWO weddings that weekend - madness!)

Yeah, it was called False Dawns and the Stark of Realisation or something like that.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Realist on September 01, 2017, 10:30:33 PM
An average footballer? Another number 10?
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: MrWhite on September 01, 2017, 10:46:45 PM
A freedom fighter sent back in time to protect mankind from the rise of the machines

That suggests that someone at Everton is a cyborg? Is the Ross Barkley affair about trying to protect him from the infiltrator?

Maybe Rooney, he always looked suspiciously older for his age, we know he has hair implants.. maybe he was sent back too early? They packed him off back then, but he managed to return this summer so the club had to hide Ross!
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Everton Mint on September 01, 2017, 10:51:49 PM
14 goals in 30 games last season for Malaga in La Liga makes him a striker for me.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: MrWhite on September 01, 2017, 10:57:34 PM
14 goals in 30 games last season for Malaga in La Liga makes him a striker for me.

It's possible that he just had the season of his life, but even if that's the case for 5.3m that's a very good punt to take in today's market. Certainly bought to provide 10+ goals, RK sees him as a striker.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Brownie20 on September 01, 2017, 11:46:47 PM
That suggests that someone at Everton is a cyborg? Is the Ross Barkley affair about trying to protect him from the infiltrator?

Maybe Rooney, he always looked suspiciously older for his age, we know he has hair implants.. maybe he was sent back too early? They packed him off back then, but he managed to return this summer so the club had to hide Ross!

Obviously it's them lot from across the park
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 02, 2017, 12:03:55 AM
Sandro is an  attacker who likes to drop off, or play from deeper alongside a big target man.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: MrWhite on September 02, 2017, 12:22:21 AM
Obviously it's them lot from across the park
What most people don't know is that in the original timeline Liverpool were a part time outfit and Everton had 32 titles, 8 European cups and the League cup was permanently renamed the Everton Cup in honour of our fifty wins. Until a traumatised red software engineer decided to destroy the world. In that timeline of course the Korean war never happened and Donald Trump was a much beloved comedian. Damn kopites.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Brownie20 on September 02, 2017, 12:24:23 AM
What most people don't know is that in the original timeline Liverpool were a part time outfit and Everton had 32 titles, 8 European cups and the League cup was permanently renamed the Everton Cup in honour of our fifty wins. Until a traumatised red software engineer decided to destroy the world. In that timeline of course the Korean war never happened and Donald Trump was a much beloved comedian. Damn kopites.

I'd pay to see this film - provided there was a happy ending
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Realist on September 02, 2017, 01:15:29 AM
Sandro is an  attacker who likes to drop off, or play from deeper alongside a big target man.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: ally2 on September 02, 2017, 01:54:36 AM
Depends which 45 minutes of play for us you decide to judge him on
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: MrWhite on September 02, 2017, 03:39:40 AM
I'd pay to see this film - provided there was a happy ending
You mean the one where the blue wearing hero fixes time, there's a big shimmer where Anfield shrinks to a bus stop next to a muddy field, and Goodison swells to a massive world class 150,000 seater?
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Trowel on September 02, 2017, 04:23:04 AM
He reminds me of a young Andy Johnson, before Moyes turned him into a...  wing back or something.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: gizzblue on September 02, 2017, 04:23:19 AM
An average footballer? Another number 10?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170901/7635fb3392dcadbf4a0898dc474ad6e6.jpg)
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: gizzblue on September 02, 2017, 04:25:35 AM
Looks like a decent player in the making ....bearing in mind he's 21 ...in a new team ,in a new country with a disjointed squad . . But I still rekon he will shine .
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 02, 2017, 04:51:59 AM
sorry for being a cunt, but he's 22 :p
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: gizzblue on September 02, 2017, 04:54:35 AM
sorry for being a cunt, but he's 22
Cunts a bit harsh ...

Twat😛

Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 02, 2017, 06:14:33 AM
your welcome. JizzBlue lol
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: gizzblue on September 02, 2017, 08:14:16 AM
^^^^pahahahahaha projectile cocoa thanks for that 😅
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: BlueForYou on September 02, 2017, 08:51:19 PM
Head down, quick off the mark, looks for the ball, makes space........................ .................and scores goals(?)!

A target man would help his cause


Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 02, 2017, 09:00:57 PM
Hasn't done much so far, I'll give him time tho
Looks like he could with someone alongside him too
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Toddacelli on September 25, 2017, 06:38:49 PM
I'm sure I've seen glimpses of a potentially great player for us here - movement, pace, fast feet, control.

I'm convinced that getting a run in the side will allow him to adjust and then blossom into the PL.

Am I fooling myself here - does anyone else see it?
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: MrWhite on September 25, 2017, 06:50:56 PM
I see it. He just needs that breakthrough moment to give him confidence.

Here's to hoping it's soon.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 25, 2017, 06:59:21 PM
I think the main issue with Sandro (and our other attackers is)

We are set up way to deep. The attackers the midfielders (sometimes the defense as well) all play on top of each other.

Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: gizzblue on September 25, 2017, 07:12:42 PM
I think the main issue with Sandro (and our other attackers is)

We are set up way to deep. The attackers the midfielders (sometimes the defense as well) all play on top of each other.
It's mostly Rooney fucking ass blocking the runs of others 😅😅
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Toddacelli on September 25, 2017, 09:38:10 PM
I think the main issue with Sandro (and our other attackers is)

We are set up way to deep. The attackers the midfielders (sometimes the defense as well) all play on top of each other.




But he hasn't shown much yet but I still rate him for some reason. What I'm asking is do people think he'll be good in this league or am I kidding myself?
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: mikey_blue on September 25, 2017, 10:00:50 PM

But he hasn't shown much yet but I still rate him for some reason. What I'm asking is do people think he'll be good in this league or am I kidding myself?

Contrary to belief, its completely normal not to write off a player after about 100 mins of football. I'm with you bud.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: blueToffee on September 25, 2017, 10:13:53 PM
I think he's potentially trying too hard. My only real criticism is his shooting has appeared pretty erratic, which I'll be honest I don't like to see in a striker. That chance he had versus Chelsea being the most eyebrow raising. It's very early days though, hope we see more of him this Thursday. Who we pair him with is going to be crucial too, as I think he needs movement around him, for example I did like his ball to DCL for the assist the other day versus Sunderland, that sort of thing gives me patience and confidence there is a player there.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 25, 2017, 10:19:07 PM

But he hasn't shown much yet but I still rate him for some reason. What I'm asking is do people think he'll be good in this league or am I kidding myself?

I think he will become good., but he needs to be starting and staying further up the pitch, i dont expect him to do much if he's spending time tracking back into the left back slot.. I think we will see the best of him. if he plays along side DCL or Niasse in a 2..
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: gizzblue on September 25, 2017, 11:13:40 PM
You could well say all out attackers have been crap aside Rooney and Niasse but I do think Sandro will find his feet and start begging goals ...no problem.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Gary1878 on September 25, 2017, 11:18:19 PM
He needs to play on Thursday at some point to give him minutes. As this is a must win game for us, not sure he should start though.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: everton1952 on September 25, 2017, 11:22:49 PM
Put him on when we are 3-0 up.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Realist on September 26, 2017, 01:26:36 AM
The least technical player ever produced from La Masia
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: BlueNoseMike on September 26, 2017, 01:33:37 AM
The least technical player ever produced from La Masia

Mr negative about everything. Do you bash your children and grandchildren as much as you do Everton and players?
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Realist on September 26, 2017, 02:49:12 AM
Mr negative about everything. Do you bash your children and grandchildren as much as you do Everton and players?

I'm not negative about everything 🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: blueski on September 26, 2017, 03:03:15 AM
seems like he needs some time behind closed doors to develop in training

seems a decent player for a slower less physical league - he's actually been pretty good for the first 5-15 minutes of each of his appearances thus far which says to me he's short of the level of fitness required to play in the pace and physicality of the PL. Hes miles more technically competent than Niasse but the difference in effectiveness says it all for technique without pace and strength in this league when you are playing as a 9.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: brap2 on September 26, 2017, 03:06:37 AM
Think our lack of options is doing him and Klaassen a few favours at the minute.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 26, 2017, 03:22:25 AM
Still got hope for him.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Toddacelli on September 26, 2017, 06:33:33 PM
The least technical player ever produced from La Masia

You see the bits that make me think he will come good is how good he has been technically.

There have been a couple of times carrying the ball forward he has moved it from left to right foot with such speed and grace that I've been desperate to see more of him.

Let's give him a run alongside DCL. If it was me I'd tell him he's in for the next 6 games but if he doesn't show enough then he'll have hard work to force his way back in again.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Lxxx on September 26, 2017, 07:32:39 PM
He's suffering from the fact we don't really have a position for him. He'd probably look pretty good in a free flowing side where he can float across the front. The issue we have is we aren't free flowing and we don't really have a flexible formation.
Which is my main gripe with Koeman. He doesn't seem to produce the type of football you want to watch and players look like they enjoy playing in. 
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: brap2 on September 29, 2017, 05:08:24 AM
Thought he was alright today, grew into the game.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Macca77 on September 29, 2017, 05:10:30 AM
Feel sorry for him
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Lxxx on September 29, 2017, 05:12:54 AM
He has the look of a lad who wishes he was still playing with his mates in the sun.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: brap2 on September 29, 2017, 05:13:59 AM
Feel sorry for him

Needs a couple of bits to come off for him. One of them screamers to nestle and he'll take off like a rocket.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Realist on September 29, 2017, 05:14:19 AM
A waste of 5m
Man's not hot
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Shogun on September 29, 2017, 05:14:56 AM
Strange to take him off when the game was going to open up.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: TheTone on September 29, 2017, 05:56:35 AM
awful start to his Everton career, can't believe he could be this bad when he looked so good in La Liga and teams like Atletico Madrid were interested in signing him
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: hannu on September 29, 2017, 06:00:44 AM
He is proper cack, hopefully we can get the 5m back we paid for him
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Brownie20 on September 29, 2017, 06:03:56 AM
Fucking hell. I'm glad I've never played in any teams with some of you lot.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: brap2 on September 29, 2017, 06:15:36 AM
Honestly I thought he was alright there!
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 29, 2017, 06:17:59 AM
Strange to take him off when the game was going to open up.

Should have been Rooney.  He was equally useless.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Rhys on September 29, 2017, 06:19:31 AM
He is proper cack, hopefully we can get the 5m back we paid for him

It's not someone paying the 5m that will be the problem, he's on a long contract on 120k a week so why would he leave that?

It's still early days with him. He is young and clearly struggling to adapt but seems to have the right attitude on the pitch just needs to settle down a bit seems to try to do everything at 100mph. His touch is well off for sure but given the investment in wages and his age hopefully he can develop and be good. Shame we don't have good forward options as that would take some of the pressure of him working out now off him.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: brap2 on September 29, 2017, 06:22:11 AM
It's not someone paying the 5m that will be the problem, he's on a long contract on 120k a week so why would he leave that?

It's still early days with him. He is young and clearly struggling to adapt but seems to have the right attitude on the pitch just needs to settle down a bit seems to try to do everything at 100mph. His touch is well off for sure but given the investment in wages and his age hopefully he can develop and be good. Shame we don't have good forward options as that would take some of the pressure of him working out now off him.

Made some really good darting runs down the channels and in behind. I agree he seems to be trying everything a millions miles an hour. Looks like too much energy balled up into one player so whenever he gets the ball it seems to ping off him as he tries some mad cut inside.

Think he will kick on soon and he'll be really dangerous.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: kramer0 on September 29, 2017, 06:58:04 AM
I don't really blame Sandro for the slow start because I have no idea what Koeman wants him do or if Koeman even knows what he wants him to do.

His credentials as a goalscorer were always a bit overrated but I still think there's a good footballer in there. The pass to set up Calvert-Lewin in the League Cup gave us a glimpse of what he can do given willing runners. We'd probably get better performances from him if we put him in lineups with better off-the-ball options (i.e. where Rooney isn't the only attacking player he has to pass to).

He's only 22, anyhow. Way too early to write him off, even though he hasn't been the can't-miss player a lot of people expected.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 29, 2017, 01:53:29 PM
He will be fine once he gets a bit of confidence.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 29, 2017, 02:21:50 PM
To be fair how the fuck is he supposed to know where to go . At least Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku are the focus of the teams attack . We have about 5 number 10's and 2 in the middle for most of the game .
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: Waltzer on September 29, 2017, 02:25:26 PM
I didnt think he played too bad last night, showed ambition to run at players and with long range shooting. Admittedly it didnt come off but he was still trying
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: School of Science on September 29, 2017, 02:28:36 PM
Like Klassen looks totally devoid of confidence, needs a goal badly, doesn't help when Rooneys chasing the ball in his own half and he becomes isolated.
Title: Re: What is Sandro?
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 02:10:07 AM
I didnt think he played too bad last night, showed ambition to run at players and with long range shooting. Admittedly it didnt come off but he was still trying


Looks like he is trying to hard, but trying in the wrong positions, on the right wing an left wing.. he tried really hard but by the time he gets into the box, he looks tired and just aimlessly punts the ball (usually it goes over)

What is Sandro?

I know what he's not.. he's not a winger, he's not a striker who can play on the edge of the shoulder, he doesnt hold up the ball (showed that yesterday only held it up once)

He's a player who is trying to hard, i feel he knows Evertonians love hard working players.. but unfortunately that isnt enough.. shamefully it reflects why he only cost 5 million.  :/

He needs to chill, stick him in the under 23;s get him playing some football with no pressure, let him get his confidence back.. bring him back to the first team. Re-valuate.