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Title: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton News on September 08, 2017, 12:30:02 AM
Koeman backtracks on Niasse

Everton boss Ronald Koeman has reinstated Oumar Niasse to the Everton first team squad after saying last season that the Senegalese striker has no place in his future plans.

Source: Koeman backtracks on Niasse (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/09/koeman-backtracks-niasse/)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Paddockoldie on September 08, 2017, 12:40:18 AM
Either an admission we fucked up not getting a striker or he's swallowing hard on some humble pie. Credit to Niasse though as handled himself very well and professionally.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 08, 2017, 12:40:29 AM
Desperate times lead to desperate measures.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 08, 2017, 12:43:07 AM
Yet more idiotic management by Koeman to publicly freeze him out like he did in the first place, regardless of how shite he was, but at least he's big enough not to stick to his principles if it'll be to the detriment of the first team.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: hill135 on September 08, 2017, 12:55:15 AM
Absolute non-issue.

Hardly a climbdown. He was given a squad number last season. He still never played for us for no other reason than he's badly, badly shite.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on September 08, 2017, 01:36:50 AM
Didn't have a locker and now he's back in the fold, you couldn't make this shit up but its Everton so nothing is surprising.

It's weird with Koeman, there appears to be no connection between him and the fans. Maybe he just wants to do his job, be left to get on with it and leave in two years knowing he's done his best. In his eyes Everton is just another challenge
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Simon Paul on September 08, 2017, 01:40:29 AM
“If he likes to play football then he needs to leave."

Or wait until the board don't sign a new striker and Koeman has to bring him in
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 08, 2017, 01:42:32 AM
Be surprised if he plays any role
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Simon Paul on September 08, 2017, 01:48:32 AM
Be surprised if he plays any role

be boss if he scored the winner at Anfield though!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 08, 2017, 01:49:08 AM
Didn't have a locker and now he's back in the fold, you couldn't make this shit up but its Everton so nothing is surprising.

It's weird with Koeman, there appears to be no connection between him and the fans. Maybe he just wants to do his job, be left to get on with it and leave in two years knowing he's done his best. In his eyes Everton is just another challenge

Sorry to pick on you in particlular but did you watch his latest press conference (posted in the Spurs match thread).

Koeman talks quite passionately about the side we are building by purchasing quality young additions for the first team. Not saying you are wrong, just that I don't watch any of his pressers and feel a guy that thinks he's just doing a job for two years. I reckon he knows he's got it good with us...
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Simon Paul on September 08, 2017, 01:51:25 AM
Sorry to pick on you in particlular but did you watch his latest press conference (posted in the Spurs match thread).

Koeman talks quite passionately about the side we are building by purchasing quality young additions for the first team. Not saying you are wrong, just that I don't watch any of his pressers and feel a guy that thinks he's just doing a job for two years. I reckon he knows he's got it good with us...

gone by June mate

he won't sign a contact extension and I'd be amazed if Everton keep him to run down his contract after the way we got burned by Moyes doing that
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: toffee_scot on September 08, 2017, 01:54:36 AM
He may not be a great player but we might as well reintegrate him just now. He scored a few goals for Hull last season so he could potentially do a job for us.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 08, 2017, 01:54:53 AM
Niasse and Miralles run Spurs ragged shocker.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 08, 2017, 01:55:42 AM
be boss if he scored the winner at Anfield though!
Be boss if anyone in blue scored the winner at anfield tbf
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on September 08, 2017, 01:55:48 AM
Be surprised if he plays any role

Exactly, cant see him getting near the bench let alone on the pitch.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 08, 2017, 01:56:19 AM
gone by June mate

he won't sign a contact extension and I'd be amazed if Everton keep him to run down his contract after the way we got burned by Moyes doing that

At present, wouldn't be sad if he was. Woss has shown the way forward.

I am a bit sad for watching some of his press conferences but he does seem to get a twinkle in his eye about the team development, I would not be surprised to see him sign an extension if we maintain 7th and get some good cup runs this year.

He won't get as good a gig as us unless he leaves on a high so that could go either way if we finish in the top six/win a trophy.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: BlueForYou on September 08, 2017, 02:00:24 AM
That's Mirallas for the U23's
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Simon Paul on September 08, 2017, 02:08:16 AM
At present, wouldn't be sad if he was. Woss has shown the way forward.

I am a bit sad for watching some of his press conferences but he does seem to get a twinkle in his eye about the team development, I would not be surprised to see him sign an extension if we maintain 7th and get some good cup runs this year.

He won't get as good a gig as us unless he leaves on a high so that could go either way if we finish in the top six/win a trophy.

we're a stepping stone, which is fine as long as he leaves us better than when he came, but let's not kid ourselves that he's looking at anything other than the next step on the ladder to Barcelona.

good luck to him if he gets there, but he's not engaged with the fans, not really had us playing mind-blowing football, and his first season in the cups was awful. 

unless he wins us a cup then all he'll be remembered as in years to come is "Oh yeah, he managed us for a couple of years didn't he?" whenever he's quoted on the Dutch side's chances at a World Cup

if he wins us a cup then he'll rightly be remembered as the manager who helped turn us back into a global power again - because I believe that once we win one trophy, we'll win loads!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Realist on September 08, 2017, 02:25:00 AM
Barkley didn't leave to supply the required funds to buy a striker so RK has to climb down embarrassingly
Bet Ronald's made up
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Polledreng on September 08, 2017, 02:26:27 AM


if he wins us a cup then he'll rightly be remembered as the manager who helped turn us back into a global power again - because I believe that once we win one trophy, we'll win loads!
That's how I felt in 1995..... then again I didn't feel that Way in 1984 ...
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 08, 2017, 02:35:05 AM
Barkley didn't leave to supply the required funds to buy a striker so RK has to climb down embarrassingly
Bet Ronald's made up
Well said (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170907/be4e947212976e52a6595a6226e3147a.gif)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Gash on September 08, 2017, 02:37:34 AM
I think people are a bit obsessed with him and Barcelona, just because he wants the Barca job doesn't mean he'll get it. I can't see him getting it anytime soon unless he's successful with us or his next club if he leaves.

He's in his mid fifties, been in management for 17-18 years and other than Valverde doesn't really seem to fit in with the age profile of recent Barca managers. He's a Barca legend yet has consistently been over looked for the job in favour of younger, less experienced managers even when he was assistant back in 2000. It would seem that Barca are more willing to take a go on a less experienced manager than someone who is becoming a bit of a journeyman manager. His style of play also doesn't fit in with Barca either.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Tony Clifton on September 08, 2017, 02:39:19 AM
Either an admission we fucked up not getting a striker or he's swallowing hard on some humble pie. Credit to Niasse though as handled himself very well and professionally.

Bit of both I reckon.  About time the old "Everton aren't we?" became a good thing with Niasse helping us - and Koeman - win our first piece of silver for a while - - Koeman gets caught on camera calling Niasse a useless cunt as he scores the winner in the League Cup final.


Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: MrWhite on September 08, 2017, 02:40:21 AM
Yet despite a lack of strikers in the Europa League squad he isn't in that.. so presumably this is just in case we need him in the league cup?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Simon Paul on September 08, 2017, 02:45:40 AM
I think people are a bit obsessed with him and Barcelona, just because he wants the Barca job doesn't mean he'll get it. I can't see him getting it anytime soon unless he's successful with us or his next club if he leaves.

He's in his mid fifties, been in management for 17-18 years and other than Valverde doesn't really seem to fit in with the age profile of recent Barca managers. He's a Barca legend yet has consistently been over looked for the job in favour of younger, less experienced managers even when he was assistant back in 2000. It would seem that Barca are more willing to take a go on a less experienced manager than someone who is becoming a bit of a journeyman manager. His style of play also doesn't fit in with Barca either.

Oh I don't think he'll get the Barca job in a million years

I'm not him though
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on September 08, 2017, 02:50:21 AM
Like I said previously Koeman doesn't owe Everton anything. He's a contractor to the club for 3 years and is free to go at the end of it. My gut feeling is he'll be gone next summer. Don't think Kenwright or Moshiri can deliver what he wants and match his ambitions.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Shogun on September 08, 2017, 03:06:02 AM
Absolute non-issue.

Hardly a climbdown. He was given a squad number last season. He still never played for us for no other reason than he's badly, badly shite.

You're kidding yourself thinking Koeman didn't play him because he doesn't rate him.

It's pure ego.

If he thinks Arouna Kone is good enough then Niasse is too.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Realist on September 08, 2017, 03:17:08 AM
Like I said previously Koeman doesn't owe Everton anything. He's a contractor to the club for 3 years and is free to go at the end of it. My gut feeling is he'll be gone next summer. Don't think Kenwright or Moshiri can deliver what he wants and match his ambitions.

I'm not sold on Moshiri & don't like Kenwright but having said that it's not like Koeman is an elite manager who's in demand or who will demand the club meets his ambitions, he's also on a banging contract so I think he's around for a while
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 08, 2017, 03:32:56 AM
if he wins us a cup then he'll rightly be remembered as the manager who helped turn us back into a global power again - because I believe that once we win one trophy, we'll win loads!

That's how I felt in 1995..... then again I didn't feel that Way in 1984 ...

What this and reality has shown me is, for Everton to win trophies we need an Evertonian in charge.

i dont dislike Koeman, i detest the way he has made us play(even worse than the moyes era lol)

I'm hoping he steps up, but if not my Unsworth shouts that got hated on, hopefully will happen..
I can see us winning countless trophies with him in charge.

win win either way, just gotta put up with boring ass dutch football.(boring ass dutch football has to be an oxymoron)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Realist on September 08, 2017, 03:37:51 AM
What this and reality has shown me is, for Everton to win trophies we need an Evertonian in charge.

i dont dislike Koeman, i detest the way he has made us play(even worse than the moyes era lol)

I'm hoping he steps up, but if not my Unsworth shouts that got hated on, hopefully will happen..
I can see us winning countless trophies with him in charge.

win win either way, just gotta put up with boring ass dutch football.(boring ass dutch football has to be an oxymoron)

What you want Unsworth as manager?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Juanito on September 08, 2017, 03:43:43 AM
Like I said previously Koeman doesn't owe Everton anything. He's a contractor to the club for 3 years and is free to go at the end of it. My gut feeling is he'll be gone next summer. Don't think Kenwright or Moshiri can deliver what he wants and match his ambitions.

I think we need to consider Moshiri's ambitions and if Koeman matches it.
He is one of the highest paid managers in the league and needs to deliver himself.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 08, 2017, 03:49:26 AM
any genuine Evertonian would be good, only basing that off of 1984(Kendall) and 1995(Royle)
I guess it has to be a new Evertonian as manager as Kendall was there multiple times and never won anything again. ;/

lol dont take me to seriously, im just adding on to Simons and Polledrengs' posts.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 08, 2017, 03:49:34 AM
What this and reality has shown me is, for Everton to win trophies we need an Evertonian in charge.

i dont dislike Koeman, i detest the way he has made us play(even worse than the moyes era lol)

I'm hoping he steps up, but if not my Unsworth shouts that got hated on, hopefully will happen..
I can see us winning countless trophies with him in charge.

win win either way, just gotta put up with boring ass dutch football.(boring ass dutch football has to be an oxymoron)

(https://www.happybeinghealthy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/what-you-talkin-bout-willis-quote-1-500x333.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheRam on September 08, 2017, 04:00:17 AM
I reckon Koeman knows he has a good thing here and will sign a new deal within the next 12 months.

If he doesn't then Moshiri will simply move on.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: GLewis on September 08, 2017, 04:00:40 AM
gone by June mate

he won't sign a contact extension and I'd be amazed if Everton keep him to run down his contract after the way we got burned by Moyes doing that

Running the contract down wasn't the problem.

It was not expecting him to leave that was the issue.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on September 08, 2017, 04:01:22 AM
Wait til we have a barnstorming cup run.

Nothing in the world like the old lady bouncing in the night time, floodlights glaring, away team looking about like rabbits as all four sides of the ground scream down at them, the blues getting a little extra in the tank, a little more meat in the tackle, first to the second ball a little bit quicker.

We're on the march with koeman's army...

If that doesn't make him fall in love with Everton it's not that he's a contracted professional it's that he may well be a T1000 managerial cyborg.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: hill135 on September 08, 2017, 04:29:50 AM
You're kidding yourself thinking Koeman didn't play him because he doesn't rate him.

It's pure ego.

If he thinks Arouna Kone is good enough then Niasse is too.

Why would he do that?

Martinez bought a lot of shite and they all got game time except this guy. The fact that the man who bought him never played him either says to me it's simply a case of him not being up to scratch.

Anyway, regardless of the reasons for freezing him out, it's still not a climbdown. He was in the squad last season and didn't play. He's in the squad this season and won't play. We had inadequate striking options last season and he didn't play. We still have inadequate striking options and he won't play
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheRam on September 08, 2017, 05:20:49 AM
Why would he do that?

Martinez bought a lot of shite and they all got game time except this guy. The fact that the man who bought him never played him either says to me it's simply a case of him not being up to scratch.

Anyway, regardless of the reasons for freezing him out, it's still not a climbdown. He was in the squad last season and didn't play. He's in the squad this season and won't play. We had inadequate striking options last season and he didn't play. We still have inadequate striking options and he won't play

He was training with the reserves last season.

Now he's with the first team.

That's a lot different to be fair.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: starblood on September 08, 2017, 05:46:05 AM
Martinez bought a lot of shite and they all got game time except this guy. The fact that the man who bought him never played him either says to me it's simply a case of him not being up to scratch.

No Evertonian can say, with absolute authority, that Niasse is "badly, badly shite" because none of us have seen enough of him play for the Blues.

I'll admit that what we all saw at Goodison didn't look promising, however you've got to give the guy a little leeway (the team were playing poorly, the manager was a lame duck, the player had relocated to a new country and league etc.).

How you start your Everton career is not always a good pointer (Bilyaletdinov, Jo and Michael Branch would all tell you that I'm sure, as they all had impressive beginnings that didn't pan out too well).
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on September 08, 2017, 06:40:17 AM
Can't wait for him to make Ronald look a cunt. Round for the bar that day/night, aye (and  fuck off with the hell freezes over shite.)

 :cheers:
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 08, 2017, 07:57:40 AM
Be boss if anyone in blue scored the winner at anfield tbf
I'd even take a red scoring the winner at Anfield. If it was an own goal.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: kramer0 on September 08, 2017, 09:34:09 AM
Martinez bought a lot of shite and they all got game time except this guy. The fact that the man who bought him never played him either says to me it's simply a case of him not being up to scratch.

Ah, Martinez. Wanted us to play possession football. Bought Oumar Niasse, who lacks almost all of the qualities to play that style. And he wasn't cheap either.

The issues we have with recruitment now are small in comparison to what was happening under Martinez/Reeves. It would have been fascinating/horrifying to see what they would have done with real money.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Polledreng on September 08, 2017, 10:52:05 AM
I'd even take a red scoring the winner at Anfield. If it was an own goal.
that made me remember the derby game when it felt like the concurses at the old lady was about to Fall Down like London Bridge when People where screaming Hyypia hyypia.... Great goal by the way  ;)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: GLewis on September 08, 2017, 11:28:23 AM
He was training with the reserves last season.

Now he's with the first team.

That's a lot different to be fair.

The fact that he didn't name him in the EL squad, when he put Coleman and Connolly in, suggests that saying he's with the first team either a) a way of showing how poor it was not to get a striker and / or b) just thinking he might as well be around in case of an injury crisis and / or c) keeping his value up for Jan.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TSGun on September 08, 2017, 02:01:37 PM
The fact that he didn't name him in the EL squad, when he put Coleman and Connolly in, suggests that saying he's with the first team either a) a way of showing how poor it was not to get a striker and / or b) just thinking he might as well be around in case of an injury crisis and / or c) keeping his value up for Jan.
Most probably all of the above to some extent.

It's a good move that can't hurt anybody involved.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 08, 2017, 02:17:20 PM
Well, it's more than just "he is in the squad"/"he has a squad number".

I feel like people havent' seen koemans interview where he specifically states niasse is now in his thinking and that you have to give people chances.
Because that was a pretty significant statement in regard to this discussion.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: GLewis on September 08, 2017, 03:02:04 PM
Well, it's more than just "he is in the squad"/"he has a squad number".

I feel like people havent' seen koemans interview where he specifically states niasse is now in his thinking and that you have to give people chances.
Because that was a pretty significant statement in regard to this discussion.

Yes but logic would suggest that he's still behind everyone that he put in the EL squad.

Which wouldn't be a ringing endorsement. If there'd been some sort of epiphany then he'd have picked him as an option for that too, I'd have thought.

Id guess it's just to differentiate between  last season when he was solely with the u23 squad.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 08, 2017, 03:13:22 PM
Yes but logic would suggest that he's still behind everyone that he put in the EL squad.

Which wouldn't be a ringing endorsement. If there'd been some sort of epiphany then he'd have picked him as an option for that too, I'd have thought.

Id guess it's just to differentiate between  last season when he was solely with the u23 squad.

It is definitely only for early round cup games (which is a worry considering how poor Koemans cup record is).

I think the idea that he has back-tracked comes from the fact last year he trained/played with the u23s (and was usefull by all accounts) and didn't have a locker.
This year he is getting a locker and training with the first team.

Whether he plays or not is beside the point - Koeman has activaly given him a chance to prove in training that he is better than Kone/Valencia
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: pjk on September 08, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
It might well be a means to an end.  Out of sight out of mind, for a £13.5 million forward, isn't wise, in any shape or form. Even if he's just sitting on the bench as an 'impact' sub. At least clubs in Russia and Turkey, clubs on the lookout for an underused striker, are going to see he's available
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Buck76 on September 08, 2017, 04:24:52 PM
Throw him on against Sunderland and give him a crack, we've so many games and we're two strikers short in reality..... DCL is such an important player now & needs protecting with 3 games a week.

We have quite a few offensive kids in the U23 squad now maybe Unsie can fast track us one...

The squad still feels extremely unbalanced even compared to the likes of Leicester, we still feel 4/5 players in & out before it really takes shape for me.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 08, 2017, 04:50:42 PM
Well, it's more than just "he is in the squad"/"he has a squad number".

I feel like people havent' seen koemans interview where he specifically states niasse is now in his thinking and that you have to give people chances.
Because that was a pretty significant statement in regard to this discussion.

I think this is the interview that you was referring to Mick, lol if not, he back tracks a lot on this interview regarding Niasse.
But ok!

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 08, 2017, 04:57:41 PM
The 13 million he cost doesn't sound very much now.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Tofifee on September 08, 2017, 05:02:18 PM
Wouldn't be atall surprised if he finishes the season our top scorer and we are all saying how mad it is that we nearly let him go.........

He did pretty well for Hull, a far inferior team. All it will take is an injury to DCL or a banging hangover for Rooney and he could be back in !

That's football!!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 08, 2017, 05:06:30 PM
https://twitter.com/EFCFansCorner/status/905841517075595264
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 08, 2017, 05:10:17 PM
https://twitter.com/EFCFansCorner/status/905841517075595264

SNAP.

I'm sure he's got the power too.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 08, 2017, 05:22:26 PM
Wouldn't be atall surprised if he finishes the season our top scorer and we are all saying how mad it is that we nearly let him go.........

He did pretty well for Hull, a far inferior team. All it will take is an injury to DCL or a banging hangover for Rooney and he could be back in !

That's football!!
He scored 4 goals for Hull.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 08, 2017, 06:41:05 PM
He scored 4 goals for Hull.

In the same period of time that Giroud only scored 5 goals for free scoring Arsenal.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 08, 2017, 06:44:51 PM
In the same period of time that Giroud only scored 5 goals for free scoring Arsenal.

Yep. You got me there. Thank god we didn't get that shit international, proven premiership striker now who ended up scoring 3 times as many goals in just ten appearances more.

Who needs him when we have the free scoring bumbling Niasse.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 08, 2017, 06:50:20 PM
Yep. You got me there. Thank god we didn't get that shit international, proven premiership striker now who ended up scoring 3 times as many goals in just ten appearances more.

Who needs him when we have the free scoring bumbling Niasse.

Who knows what the "bumbling Niasse" would have scored in a free scoring team given the same amount of games?

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 08, 2017, 06:51:22 PM
Who knows what the "bumbling Niasse" would have scored in a free scoring team given the same amount of games?



If he was any good, no doubt a free scoring top club would be busting a gut to sign him.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 08, 2017, 06:51:46 PM
Who knows what the "bumbling Niasse" would have scored in a free scoring team given the same amount of games?


Asrenal wouldn't go anywhere near him cos he is technically flawed
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: bigmanbob on September 08, 2017, 06:55:11 PM
Ha, ha Blarg wins the sarcasm award for the day :)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 08, 2017, 06:55:59 PM
If he was any good, no doubt a free scoring top club would be busting a gut to sign him.

They did, he just picked up an injury when he signed for them which hampered his start.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 08, 2017, 07:09:43 PM
They did, he just picked up an injury when he signed for them which hampered his start.



Didn't know he had an injury at the start of his Lokomotiv Moscow career.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 08, 2017, 07:11:37 PM
Anyway, regardless of the reasons for freezing him out, it's still not a climbdown. He was in the squad last season and didn't play. He's in the squad this season and won't play. We had inadequate striking options last season and he didn't play. We still have inadequate striking options and he won't play

The only way this isn't a climbdown is if you change the meaning of the word climbdown.

Frankly bizarre interpretation of events from you here.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: .Matty on September 08, 2017, 07:13:48 PM
Need to get a chant of "Feed Niasse, Feed Niasse, Feed Niasse and he will score" going tomorrow.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 08, 2017, 07:40:30 PM
Cups are one thing, we don't have the squad depth to really compete.  I'll believe it when I see it otherwise.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bluenose 91 on September 08, 2017, 08:09:55 PM
People need to stop kidding themselves that he's anything other than complete and total shite.

He might come off the bench in an early cup game at best.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: hill135 on September 08, 2017, 08:13:58 PM
The only way this isn't a climbdown is if you change the meaning of the word climbdown.

Frankly bizarre interpretation of events from you here.

Tell you what I'll admit I'm wrong when he play a single minute for us this season.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Mick 1995 on September 08, 2017, 08:20:45 PM
Tell you what I'll admit I'm wrong when he play a single minute for us this season.

But whether he plays or not is immaterial to whether Koeman has backed down here - that's what our side of the fence is arguing.
Maybe at cross-purposes.


Chances of him getting minutes this year? Minute. Chances of even being on the bench? Slim.
Chances of either of those things compared to last year? Astronomically high all of a sudden.

Koeman banished him, didn't give him a locker and was happy to ignore his existance last year.
This year, yesterday to be exact, he has confirmed he will give Niasse a chance. OK, that will only be in training, but it is a big difference compared to this time last year.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on September 08, 2017, 09:19:03 PM
Shop window till January is all .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Simon Paul on September 08, 2017, 10:03:18 PM
Never forget Joe Royle saying "there's a player in there" when asked if Niasse was shite

Not that he'd know about footballers though
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Gash on September 08, 2017, 10:23:03 PM
Never forget Joe Royle saying "there's a player in there" when asked if Niasse was shite

Not that he'd know about footballers though

Haha! Although he's hardly going to say he's shite. It's not exactly a ringing endorsement is it, it comes across as "they've got their work cut out with this one".  :snigger:
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton Mint on September 08, 2017, 10:30:52 PM
Scored last season vs both Lpool and Man U, both of which were winners I think. How many of our players can say that ?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 08, 2017, 11:47:37 PM
Might have gone a bit soft but should we really calling players shite when it's the people who wanted them that weren't any good if they aren't what we need or don't fit in? he seems such a lovely lad.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: montanatoffeefan on September 08, 2017, 11:56:09 PM
Koeman backtracks on Niasse

Everton boss Ronald Koeman has reinstated Oumar Niasse to the Everton first team squad after saying last season that the Senegalese striker has no place in his future plans.

Source: Koeman backtracks on Niasse (https://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2017/09/koeman-backtracks-niasse/)

Guess that answers my question about whether Jo or Stracqualursi might be available.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: montanatoffeefan on September 08, 2017, 11:57:46 PM
They did, he just picked up an injury when he signed for them which hampered his start.

True. He sprained his wrist signing the contract, then fell over and broke his ankle.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on September 08, 2017, 11:59:08 PM
If he pulls on a blue shirt that is all that matters, provided he performs  to a standard Koeman can accept. All this climb down talk is irrelevant crap from people (like you and me) who have not a clue what goes on internally at the club. No harm is surmising and guessing if it amuses some, but don't take it seriously and pretend you know anything about what went on between one player and the manager.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 21, 2017, 03:11:44 AM
Tell you what I'll admit I'm wrong when he play a single minute for us this season.

Ahem.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: hill135 on September 21, 2017, 03:26:53 AM
Ahem.

lolol

I was gonna try and move the goalposts, but since he's scored I'll hold my hands up.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Heisenberg on September 21, 2017, 04:49:09 AM
No player has ever deserved the over the top love in than this guy. The lads got more heart than all our experienced players combined even if he is a bit shit
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on September 21, 2017, 05:06:02 AM
Great little finish.

What's that wristband about eh
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Gash on September 21, 2017, 05:09:00 AM
Great little finish.

What's that wristband about eh

Probably his All Inclusive band, means he gets a locker and shit like everyone esle.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 21, 2017, 05:10:38 AM
Can you imagine if he bangs 10-15 goals in this season
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton Mint on September 21, 2017, 05:16:42 AM
Niasse's story is the weird kind of thing that can turn around not just his career but our season.

We might have had the Lukaku replacement all along...
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blue slug on September 21, 2017, 05:23:28 AM
Niasse's story is the weird kind of thing that can turn around not just his career but our season.

We might have had the Lukaku replacement all along...

Would be made up if this happened. Don't know why but I love the guy, so want him to succeed with us
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: chang on September 21, 2017, 05:28:57 AM
Quote
"It was a great goal,” said Koeman. “His first touch on his chest and his finish with his right foot was great. It was a perfect goal"

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/09/20/koemans-verdict
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on September 21, 2017, 06:38:07 AM
Probably his All Inclusive band, means he gets a locker and shit like everyone esle.

Unlimited ice cream
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on September 21, 2017, 09:38:23 AM
Can't wait for him to make Ronald look a cunt. Round for the bar that day/night, aye (and  fuck off with the hell freezes over shite.)

 :cheers:

Barkley plays in royal blue again & Rooney retires come January it'll be a round for the fuckin 'hood from me like.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2017, 11:18:35 AM
Weird the fixation some people have with Niasse. He scored a goal and well done to him, but he's still not good enough. It won't be the beginning of some Lazarus style comeback. He's still not very good.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bwana on September 21, 2017, 11:32:48 AM
Can you imagine if he bangs 10-15 goals in this season
No. Not really.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on September 21, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
It's nice that he got his chance and he took it but let's see how he gets on against decent opposition.

You just have to look at the relative performances and output of DCL in the premier league vs last nights game against a shite Sunderland side. It's all about the context.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on September 21, 2017, 01:12:39 PM
Weird the fixation some people have with Niasse. He scored a goal and well done to him, but he's still not good enough. It won't be the beginning of some Lazarus style comeback. He's still not very good.

I guess we might be about to find out.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheRam on September 21, 2017, 01:18:54 PM
He did score against decent opposition last season.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Trowel on September 21, 2017, 02:04:24 PM
"Look at his face, just look at his face!"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKMlFuEW4AgS88j.jpg)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: 74Blue on September 21, 2017, 02:14:14 PM
Weird the fixation some people have with Niasse. He scored a goal and well done to him, but he's still not good enough. It won't be the beginning of some Lazarus style comeback. He's still not very good.
You can't question his attitude though. It would have been very easy for him to bitch and moan about the way he's been treated by both Martinez and then Koeman, but instead He's just kept plugging away and trying.
For me, he's a bit like a Paolo Wanchope type. Big, gangly and unpredictable. If he barely knows what He's going to do next, what hope has a centre half got of second guessing? Despite being technically limited, he might just score a few important goals.
I think a lot of the love last night stemmed purely from the fact he was in the crowd with the travelling blues at Old Trafford, making him kind of an adopted true blue.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blue1948 on September 21, 2017, 02:17:46 PM
I think the dignity he has shown deserves all the plaudits ,you don't have to be a Messi to score goals but you have to have a hunger and he seems to have that in abundance .Good luck to him and I hope he does well.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2017, 02:31:00 PM
You can't question his attitude though. It would have been very easy for him to bitch and moan about the way he's been treated by both Martinez and then Koeman, but instead He's just kept plugging away and trying.
For me, he's a bit like a Paolo Wanchope type. Big, gangly and unpredictable. If he barely knows what He's going to do next, what hope has a centre half got of second guessing? Despite being technically limited, he might just score a few important goals.
I think a lot of the love last night stemmed purely from the fact he was in the crowd with the travelling blues at Old Trafford, making him kind of an adopted true blue.

Yeah good on him. I don't have anything against him, just think we tend to fixate on random sideshow stories. He's an okish striker for this level, scored a few goals for Hull and doesn't seem to have had much interest in terms of other clubs clamouring to sign him in the summer.

Dominic Calvert Lewin, on the other hand, could be a star one day. Seems to have the lot.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 21, 2017, 04:16:38 PM
You can't question his attitude though. It would have been very easy for him to bitch and moan about the way he's been treated by both Martinez and then Koeman

Whilst laughing all the way to the bank with wages nobody else in the world would pay him let's remember.

Let's not paint him out to be a martyr, he's been very well compensated during his time here and also had a decent amount of football whilst out on loan last year.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: arteta4spain on September 21, 2017, 04:30:59 PM
Think it's all about timing with Niasse tbh. Would we be that arsed if we still had Rom (and not saying he wants to leave every 5 mins)?
The fact we're struggling for goals especially in the league, points to looking at any available option. We paid quite a bit of money for him so we feel he needs to justify the fee.
Can see both sides though, we've needed him now and hopefully he'll get a chance to help in front of goal. He's no replacement for Rom but people know that.
Desperate times desperate measures and all that. 
Good luck to him. I just take it as it is. We'll just go with what we've got. 
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: ally2 on September 21, 2017, 05:01:37 PM
Think it's a bit embarrassing myself the way so he seems to becoming some sort of cult hero a la Eddie the Eagle. He's not a serious option for the first team, he's pretty crap and there's no way top clubs' fans would accept this sort of player at their club. Makes us look small time IMO. I also don't understand why he should be getting credit for not being a knob. How he's behaved has been normal and no more. Perhaps even a bit desperate. And let's forget he's no angel off the pitch either. Anyway whatever we probably won't see that much of him anyway.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on September 21, 2017, 05:03:49 PM
Yeah good on him. I don't have anything against him, just think we tend to fixate on random sideshow stories. He's an okish striker for this level, scored a few goals for Hull and doesn't seem to have had much interest in terms of other clubs clamouring to sign him in the summer.

Dominic Calvert Lewin, on the other hand, could be a star one day. Seems to have the lot.

Different types of player. They can both have an impact I think. Long term DCL is going to develop into a monster of a player I think

With Niasse, my thoughts are that we didn't sign a striker at the end of the window and we thought we would. We are lacking pace up front and something a bit different. He can provide the role of super sub or just back up until Jan at least, so let's use him

He was given a chance last night (the first chance he's been given in over a year by the manager) and he took it. The fans were so positive about his introduction last night and gave him hero worship when he scored

The lad was practically booed in his appearances against Bournemouth and Leicester the season before last and I think it might have showed in his performances

So I just want everyone to get behind him and will him to do well. He's not had an easy time of things, it must have damaged his confidence and pride what has happened (and I'm of the opinion that money isn't everything, and that it doesn't necessarily mean happiness, I'm sure you feel the same) and that it has taken great character from him to get through this and I would love to see him score goals and take us up the table as well as helping us land a trophy or 2
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2017, 05:06:12 PM
Think it's a bit embarrassing myself the way so he seems to becoming some sort of cult hero a la Eddie the Eagle. He's not a serious option for the first team, he's pretty crap and there's no way top clubs' fans would accept this sort of player at their club. Makes us look small time IMO. I also don't understand why he should be getting credit for not being a knob. How he's behaved has been normal and no more. Perhaps even a bit desperate. And let's forget he's no angel off the pitch either. Anyway whatever we probably won't see that much of him anyway.

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blue1948 on September 21, 2017, 05:10:00 PM
Think it's a bit embarrassing myself the way so he seems to becoming some sort of cult hero a la Eddie the Eagle. He's not a serious option for the first team, he's pretty crap and there's no way top clubs' fans would accept this sort of player at their club. Makes us look small time IMO. I also don't understand why he should be getting credit for not being a knob. How he's behaved has been normal and no more. Perhaps even a bit desperate. And let's forget he's no angel off the pitch either. Anyway whatever we probably won't see that much of him anyway.
I can't agree with you .He has behaved civilised but not normal in the superstar world they live .Everybody loves a hero look at the Straq and how he was revered .I don't see the desperate point either .He has never slagged anyone or anything about the club . By the way Eddie the eagle had a film made about him and is a cult figure in Finland -they still love him and he appears on chat shows and the like .Mind you they still play Kim Wilde on the radio!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2017, 05:10:05 PM
Different types of player. They can both have an impact I think. Long term DCL is going to develop into a monster of a player I think

With Niasse, my thoughts are that we didn't sign a striker at the end of the window and we thought we would. We are lacking pace up front and something a bit different. He can provide the role of super sub or just back up until Jan at least, so let's use him

He was given a chance last night (the first chance he's been given in over a year by the manager) and he took it. The fans were so positive about his introduction last night and gave him hero worship when he scored

The lad was practically booed in his appearances against Bournemouth and Leicester the season before last and I think it might have showed in his performances

So I just want everyone to get behind him and will him to do well. He's not had an easy time of things, it must have damaged his confidence and pride what has happened (and I'm of the opinion that money isn't everything, and that it doesn't necessarily mean happiness, I'm sure you feel the same) and that it has taken great character from him to get through this and I would love to see him score goals and take us up the table as well as helping us land a trophy or 2

Yeah points taken. I just find it all a bit lame the way we have 'Eddie the Eagled' him as ally says. He's average at best, which is why he only scored a few for Hull and why we didn't have loads of clubs wanting him in the summer.

I don't really buy into the thing of him being mistreated or any of that. Football is a meritocracy. If he was good enough, he'd be in the team, he'd have been given a locker and all that. In reality he's a very wealthy man, and I don't really feel any particular sympathy for him or dislike him in any way. I only care if he's good enough, and I don't think he is.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 21, 2017, 05:16:16 PM
We're desperate. It's the only reason he's anywhere near the first team. I'm happy he scored and happy he has a decent attitude, but he isn't the answer to any of our questions.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 21, 2017, 05:21:42 PM
Everybody loves a hero look at the Straq and how he was revered

It's no coincidence that he was shit too.

As Ally said, the "He's shite but he tries hard and smiles so we love him" mentality is frankly a losers mentality.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 21, 2017, 05:29:28 PM
No. Not really.

Oh I can, he goes on a rich vain of form, scoring from all over the place, we all fall in love with him, he scores the winner at the kop end, our love for him goes stronger, its a love like no other, we sing his name, we adore him, his goals help us climb the table and get through  to the knockout stages of the Europa League, we get an easy draw in the round of 32 and march through to the round of 16, we're drawn against the mighty AC Milan, home leg first, Niasse is injured so doesnt play and we lose 2-0. Two weeks later we go to the San Siro with a mountain to climb, Niasse is fit and starts the game, we dominate from the off and Niasse grabs 2 goals before half time, Milan pull one back early in the second half, we bombard their goal, frantically looking for that goal that will see us through, we need a hero, we need a miracle, into the last minute of injury time and Niasse gets the ball in our half and just runs with it, going past the Milan players like they weren't there, he keeps running and unleashes a powerful shot from 35 yards out that rockets into the top corner! Its 3-1, the 6000 travelling Evertonians go beserk. Milan kick off and the ref blows his whistle, we've done it, we go through on away goals, an astonishing result for Everton. We end up getting knocked out by the eventual winners Atletico Madrid in the semi final

We win the FA cup by beating the redshite 3-0, Niasse scores two, finish 6th in the league. Niasse is our top scorer on 26 goals and gets named players on the season.

During the summer he is offered a new contract, promptly turns it down stating his desire to leave, Real Madrid bid 80 million for him and he agrees to join, scores 50 goals in his first full season for Los Blancos and wins the Ballon d'or

Everton get relegated
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 21, 2017, 05:34:01 PM
Not who we thought would be playing this far into the  "project" but hardly his fault, more the project manager/s.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Gary1878 on September 21, 2017, 05:45:49 PM
From what i have seen of Niasse, he looks like a decent finisher. The problem we have is that his all round play won't be good enough to play a lone role.

This is where i think we could play him against the lesser sides with DCL playing as a hold up man. They could link together quite well and both have a lot of pace. It would give us something different to what we have now and a different way of playing.

I am still yet to see anything in Sandro that makes me feel like he will have a long term future with us. I am very happy to give him time but we need to start seeing something a little more than effort for him to maintain any sort of starting role.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 21, 2017, 05:52:45 PM
You don't won player of the season in Russia if you're shite
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Waltzer on September 21, 2017, 06:05:08 PM
You don't won player of the season in Russia if you're shite

Exactly, which is why hes never won it......
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 21, 2017, 06:08:15 PM
Exactly, which is why hes never won it......

In his first season in the Russian Premier League, he got four goals and two assists. During his second 2015/16 season he scored 12 goals and 10 assists and was named the Russian Premier League player of the year for 2015.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Waltzer on September 21, 2017, 06:10:18 PM
In his first season in the Russian Premier League, he got four goals and two assists. During his second 2015/16 season he scored 12 goals and 10 assists and was named the Russian Premier League player of the year for 2015.

You mean the year Hulk won it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footballer_of_the_Year_in_Russia_(Futbol)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 21, 2017, 06:10:56 PM
Lets take a second to read about what Niasse thinks of Niasse

"Niasse is strong, Niasse is tall. If nothing's going right, give Niasse the ball and he won't let you down. What other forwards can do, Niasse can do better. Other forwards in Russia have to work hard to become as good as me"

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 21, 2017, 06:11:35 PM
You mean the year Hulk won it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footballer_of_the_Year_in_Russia_(Futbol)


No I mean when Niasse won it

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15134/10151425/who-is-everton-target-oumar-niasse-from-lokomotiv-moscow
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: 74Blue on September 21, 2017, 06:13:44 PM
Whilst laughing all the way to the bank with wages nobody else in the world would pay him let's remember.

Let's not paint him out to be a martyr, he's been very well compensated during his time here and also had a decent amount of football whilst out on loan last year.
It's not painting him as some sort of martyr at all. The point I was making was simply that he had been completely written off as deadwood before he'd even been given a proper run of games to see what he could offer and it would have been very easy for him to bitch and moan like a hell of a lot of professional footballers would have. You have to give him some credit for just getting on with it and carrying on plugging away without complaint. That doesn't make him a martyr. Hopefully, he can be of some use to us.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 21, 2017, 06:14:28 PM
Niasse doing well really gets some people's backs up it seems.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 21, 2017, 06:15:01 PM
Niasse is strong
Niasse is tall
If nothing's going right
Give Niasse the ball

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 21, 2017, 06:17:46 PM
We're desperate. It's the only reason he's anywhere near the first team. I'm happy he scored and happy he has a decent attitude, but he isn't the answer to any of our questions.

We weren't desperate when it came to the first game against Stoke, he could have been given a go as a sub then, freshen things up, even against City we faired pretty well. It was only once the transfer window clised we actually thought, fuck, what now?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: plumber on September 21, 2017, 06:18:45 PM
ignore it, i was asleep.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 21, 2017, 06:22:33 PM
No I mean when Niasse won it

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15134/10151425/who-is-everton-target-oumar-niasse-from-lokomotiv-moscow

He never won it.

https://twitter.com/richardbuxton_/status/733664608934875137?lang=en

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footballer_of_the_Year_in_Russia_(Futbol)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 21, 2017, 06:25:51 PM
Sky Sports is a lying twat then
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 21, 2017, 06:27:24 PM
Sky Sports is a lying twat then

No surprise there. I thought he won it too because most of the media said he had, it was only when it was mentioned he hadn't, I decided to look into it a little bit more.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton Mint on September 21, 2017, 06:31:11 PM
He may not be the greatest all round striker in terms of build-up play, but he does appear to to able to finish.

Remiiiind you of anyone ? ;)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 21, 2017, 06:34:15 PM
He may not be the greatest all round striker in terms of build-up play, but he does appear to to able to finish.

Remiiiind you of anyone ? ;)

Well, if we can get 75 million raising to 90 million for him, I'd be exceptionally happy. :)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Waltzer on September 21, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Sky Sports is a lying twat then

Yep, I remember they all led with it at the time then it came out as being BS, Im not sure but I think it might have been fans player of the year or something like that?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Rhys on September 21, 2017, 06:57:15 PM
Yep, I remember they all led with it at the time then it came out as being BS, Im not sure but I think it might have been fans player of the year or something like that?

It wasnt even Lokomotiv's fans player of the year, turns out he won player of the month once...
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 21, 2017, 07:00:06 PM
Niasse doing well really gets some people's backs up it seems.
Especially koemans, maybe he's taking Barkley to Mcdonalds today to sort that 1 out while he's feeling so relieved.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: BlueForYou on September 21, 2017, 07:03:30 PM
Hard work pays off

Other players take note

The manager made the call, brought him in, put him on and Oumar repaid that decision

To be applauded



Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 21, 2017, 07:13:55 PM
Especially koemans, maybe he's taking Barkley to Mcdonalds today to sort that 1 out while he's feeling so relieved.

The people you meet on the way up...... etc etc
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 21, 2017, 07:16:36 PM
Niasse doing well really gets some people's backs up it seems.

No, people falling over themselves in a desperate search for yet another sub par cult hero gets peoples backs up. Our recent past is riddled with them. It's small time.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 21, 2017, 07:22:23 PM
Think it's a bit embarrassing myself the way so he seems to becoming some sort of cult hero a la Eddie the Eagle. He's not a serious option for the first team, he's pretty crap and there's no way top clubs' fans would accept this sort of player at their club. Makes us look small time IMO. I also don't understand why he should be getting credit for not being a knob. How he's behaved has been normal and no more. Perhaps even a bit desperate. And let's forget he's no angel off the pitch either. Anyway whatever we probably won't see that much of him anyway.
But football's all about escapism and fun and some people take it so seriously they lose sight of this. Of course he doesn't look good enough for the PL (I might be proved wrong!!!) but he's been a 'story' for various reasons since his arrival, he came on with the game won, ironic cheers and clapping and he scores a goal.
All part of the magic of the game - let's not lose that just because things could be better in other ways. He's just become part of folklore - let's enjoy it.☺
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 21, 2017, 07:28:51 PM
No, people falling over themselves in a desperate search for yet another sub par cult hero gets peoples backs up. Our recent past is riddled with them. It's small time.
That's not the fans fault it's the deal we've been dealt since the 80s, this should have been different altogether, especially after all the trumpets, now that has been embarassing.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 21, 2017, 07:40:59 PM
No, people falling over themselves in a desperate search for yet another sub par cult hero gets peoples backs up. Our recent past is riddled with them. It's small time.

I don't think anyone's searching for anything with Niasse, if there's a current unwarranted cult hero it's probably Sandro judging by the reaction to his signing in the summer.

It's just most people want to see Everton players doing well because that'll most likely mean Everton are doing well. Quiet why that is obviously annoying some is a mystery.

Surely everyone's a winner here if Niasse comes good and contributes this season to us winning games, even Koeman?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 21, 2017, 07:45:42 PM
I don't think anyone's searching for anything with Niasse, if there's a current unwarranted cult hero it's probably Sandro judging by the reaction to his signing in the summer.

It's just most people want to see Everton players doing well because that'll most likely mean Everton are doing well. Quiet why that is obviously annoying some is a mystery.

Surely everyone's a winner here if Niasse comes good and contributes this season to us winning games, even Koeman?

True, however the old adage, form is temporary, class is permanent will apply here. I think he can have a role to play for us, but it will be a Valencia type role at best. He isn't the answer, as he wasn't for Hull last season. He can score, no doubt about that, but don't make him out to be anything he isn't.

The thing that impresses me most about him is his ability to keep going, to work hard and have a great attitude. That can sometimes equate to greater value than talent, but not in the long run.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 21, 2017, 07:52:34 PM
But football's all about escapism and fun and some people take it so seriously they lose sight of this. Of course he doesn't look good enough for the PL (I might be proved wrong!!!) but he's been a 'story' for various reasons since his arrival, he came on with the game won, ironic cheers and clapping and he scores a goal.
All part of the magic of the game - let's not lose that just because things could be better in other ways. He's just become part of folklore - let's enjoy it.☺

Exactly. Football is about winning and losing, but really it's more about the stories. And if you can't enjoy Niasse's, well what's the point?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 21, 2017, 07:53:33 PM
True, however the old adage, form is temporary, class is permanent will apply here. I think he can have a role to play for us, but it will be a Valencia type role at best. He isn't the answer, as he wasn't for Hull last season. He can score, no doubt about that, but don't make him out to be anything he isn't.

The thing that impresses me most about him is his ability to keep going, to work hard and have a great attitude. That can sometimes equate to greater value than talent, but not in the long run.



What are you looking for him to be the answer to?

You're admitting he's got goals in him what more do you want him to do Blargs?

Not seen anyway saying he's some kind of superstar, but it's clear this team is lacking goals, and pace up front, and this fella has both so it's hardly the most difficult puzzle to solve at the moment is it.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheRam on September 21, 2017, 07:57:40 PM
Don't see what's small time about it.

People wanting a striker who cost us 13mil to do well.

Fucking miserable bastards.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 21, 2017, 08:01:29 PM
What are you looking for him to be the answer to?

You're admitting he's got goals in him what more do you want him to do Blargs?

Not seen anyway saying he's some kind of superstar, but it's clear this team is lacking goals, and pace up front, and this fella has both so it's hardly the most difficult puzzle to solve at the moment is it.



The question was obviously that we needed a proper striker and out of desperation, we have a potential short term answer for another option as a last resort.

He can score is what I said. I didn't say he had goals in him. Given a consistent run over the whole season, I wouldn't expect him to get more than 7 or 8 for us, which admittedly is still more than the 4 he got for Hull in 17 games last season.

Don't forget he only scored against a very poor Sunderland team as fresh legs and after the result was put to bed.

The team we did put out seemed to have quite a bit of pace from what I saw on the 20 minute highlights. It was a very young side, but the future bodes well for pace, and it will be the job of Koeman to try and blend the pace we do have with the more seasoned, but slower pros.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: mikey_blue on September 21, 2017, 08:17:04 PM
He reminds me of Drogba, in his prime.

 Oumar just a little bit, Oumar a little bit more, Oumar just a little bit he's the striker we're looking for   :hail:
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 21, 2017, 08:23:41 PM
Reckon he could do a job at right back, yknow.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blue1948 on September 21, 2017, 09:03:06 PM
True, however the old adage, form is temporary, class is permanent will apply here. I think he can have a role to play for us, but it will be a Valencia type role at best. He isn't the answer, as he wasn't for Hull last season. He can score, no doubt about that, but don't make him out to be anything he isn't.

The thing that impresses me most about him is his ability to keep going, to work hard and have a great attitude. That can sometimes equate to greater value than talent, but not in the long run.


To almost quote Koeman "talent wins nothing ,hard work is what wins things "
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blue1948 on September 21, 2017, 09:05:32 PM
The question was obviously that we needed a proper striker and out of desperation, we have a potential short term answer for another option as a last resort.

He can score is what I said. I didn't say he had goals in him. Given a consistent run over the whole season, I wouldn't expect him to get more than 7 or 8 for us, which admittedly is still more than the 4 he got for Hull in 17 games last season.

Don't forget he only scored against a very poor Sunderland team as fresh legs and after the result was put to bed.

The team we did put out seemed to have quite a bit of pace from what I saw on the 20 minute highlights. It was a very young side, but the future bodes well for pace, and it will be the job of Koeman to try and blend the pace we do have with the more seasoned, but slower pros.
There is an old Finnish proverb -It is hard to climb down the stairs backwards .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton Mint on September 21, 2017, 09:07:27 PM
'Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard... '
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 21, 2017, 09:12:08 PM
'Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard... '
Wow that's good, but i'll never remember it..
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheRam on September 21, 2017, 09:43:39 PM
Reminds me of George Weah
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 21, 2017, 09:44:32 PM
Wow that's good, but i'll never remember it..

Luckily it's in massive letters across the top of the players gym at finch farm, so they get the message every day :)

Sums up Niasse and Barkley perfectly. Ones working hard with not much talent, the other has an abundance of talent but can't be arsed.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lincs Toffee on September 21, 2017, 09:46:38 PM
The lad can finish it has to be said...


Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on September 21, 2017, 09:47:55 PM
I can't agree with you .He has behaved civilised but not normal in the superstar world they live .Everybody loves a hero look at the Straq and how he was revered .I don't see the desperate point either .He has never slagged anyone or anything about the club . By the way Eddie the eagle had a film made about him and is a cult figure in Finland -they still love him and he appears on chat shows and the like .Mind you they still play Kim Wilde on the radio!


Remember Eddie The Eagle Edwards at the Winter Olympics in Calgary. Made headlines for bumming equipment from professionals and being fearless in the face of death by crash landing. Plus he had an overbite and big glasses. Could have been Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys without the English accent. Niasse is more Karate Kid than Eddie Edwards.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 21, 2017, 09:48:05 PM
We are in 3 cup competitions as well as having had a poor start to the league campaign . Nothing wrong with giving Niasse a bit of game time until Sandro adapts to the English game and so as not to put too much on the shoulders of DCL .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2017, 09:48:24 PM
Not sure how sitting around on 60k a week, and getting a game in the League Cup because the club have been incredibly bad at recruitment and there's barely anyone else who can play counts as 'working hard' like, but anyway....
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 21, 2017, 09:55:56 PM
Don't see what's small time about it.

The adulation afforded to complete no marks because they 'have a go', compared to the abuse often hurled at the few truly class players we've been blessed with. That's what's small time. It's symptomatic of the last 20+ years of being an Evertonian.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 21, 2017, 09:57:06 PM
Not sure how sitting around on 60k a week, and getting a game in the League Cup because the club have been incredibly bad at recruitment and there's barely anyone else who can play counts as 'working hard' like, but anyway....

But Koeman took his locker away lad #prayforoumar
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on September 21, 2017, 10:03:17 PM
They guy has shown more class than other overly reveared overpayed moaners and whingers of the last couple of years and should rightly be applauded for his professionalism ...despite maybe not being the greatest player .
Better that than be class and have no class ..we've got and had a few of those.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 21, 2017, 10:06:30 PM
I don't think anyone's searching for anything with Niasse, if there's a current unwarranted cult hero it's probably Sandro judging by the reaction to his signing in the summer.

It's just most people want to see Everton players doing well because that'll most likely mean Everton are doing well. Quiet why that is obviously annoying some is a mystery.

Surely everyone's a winner here if Niasse comes good and contributes this season to us winning games, even Koeman?

It's inspite of Koeman though isn't it? Like some sort of stick to beat him with. As if to say "well Niasse can score goals so Koeman must be a fucking dick head". And that's been alluded to plenty. Whereas the fact remains that Our Niasse will always be sub-standard to the level Everton are aiming to be at under Koeman.

If we have to rely on him, I hope he scores goals, that goes without saying. But if he never plays another minute for us, I won't lose any sleep. Much as I never lost any sleep when Bent left, or Beckford, or Stracqualursi, etc, etc... because they were never good enough, despite fan protestation.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 21, 2017, 10:09:20 PM
In his first season in the Russian Premier League, he got four goals and two assists. During his second 2015/16 season he scored 12 goals and 10 assists and was named the Russian Premier League player of the year for 2015.

Im genuinely confused by this, only 2 places state he was Russian player of the year, skysports and worldsoccer.com.

the official russian awards do not show King Niasse as the winner, they have HULK as the best Russian player that year..

most be the Mandela Effect.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 21, 2017, 10:12:34 PM
Im genuinely confused by this, only 2 places state he was Russian player of the year, skysports and worldsoccer.com.

the official russian awards do not show King Niasse as the winner, they have HULK as the best Russian player that year..

most be the Mandela Effect.

No, it was a fan vote that was considered a bit of a piss take. Sky reported it as being the official award.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 21, 2017, 10:14:45 PM
tah bud. i assumed he had won the sport express version of it, as there where no  votes that year.. lol
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blue1948 on September 21, 2017, 10:15:22 PM
The adulation afforded to complete no marks because they 'have a go', compared to the abuse often hurled at the few truly class players we've been blessed with. That's what's small time. It's symptomatic of the last 20+ years of being an Evertonian.
The haven't been many"no marks" who have scored in the premier league ,I would go as far as saying that you have to be at the very least good .I respect the reference to 20 years supporting the team but that is nothing in our history because in that time we have not won a thing ,sadly you have not witnessed it but I can tell you we have had a lot worse and they did OK .I suspect the truly class players are Mirallas and Barkley .If it is so then more fool you as they don't / didn't want to play for us ,for that I have no time for them as with Rom -could be the greatest player to pull on our shirt but for me he will always be a disrespectful kid .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blue1948 on September 21, 2017, 10:18:29 PM
It's inspite of Koeman though isn't it? Like some sort of stick to beat him with. As if to say "well Niasse can score goals so Koeman must be a fucking dick head". And that's been alluded to plenty. Whereas the fact remains that Our Niasse will always be sub-standard to the level Everton are aiming to be at under Koeman.

If we have to rely on him, I hope he scores goals, that goes without saying. But if he never plays another minute for us, I won't lose any sleep. Much as I never lost any sleep when Bent left, or Beckford, or Stracqualursi, etc, etc... because they were never good enough, despite fan protestation.
I fully support Koeman and we all knew what was in store ,someone on here said we would only have 4 points by now and how right they were  ,so I am not using it as a stick to beat him .I just believe he has behaved impeccably and deserves credit for it .The best we have had no but not the worst either .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 21, 2017, 10:29:33 PM
Not sure how sitting around on 60k a week, and getting a game in the League Cup because the club have been incredibly bad at recruitment and there's barely anyone else who can play counts as 'working hard' like, but anyway....

About as hard as Koeman/Mosh/Walsh worked on getting a replacement for Lukaku.

I've seen all the negatives posters have mentioned, cant control the ball, is shit in the match, but he can finish..

I'd just have him upfront with DCL or Rooney, i dont care if he doesnt touch the ball or pass to anyone else, I'd rather have a goal scorer.. surely hes better than Nugent or Jeffers or Jevons even Cadimartari and Branch!! 
We just need some one to stretch the play and to be in the box to score, We have struggled to get into the box in the Prem, but im sure with King Niasse, he will score some... then in Jan or Summer we can get a new striker, more to the level we are trying to aspire too, but atm. we are a LOWER PREMIER LEAGUE team. like HULL last season, Lets use the players who can score us goals and get up the table.Rather than trying to bed in 4 players who cant get anywhere near the goals.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Shropshire Blue on September 21, 2017, 10:29:51 PM
Just been talking to someone who makes the point that Niasse has vast amounts of untapped potential and with hard work and good coaching could be a better player than Lukaku in a couple of seasons. Has the build and speed, the ball skills can be worked on, his attitude is good and he has football brain.
Psychologically he has shown a good attitude and mental strength and will learn from the experiences of the last 12 - 18 months.
However, he needs a regular start and if he gets most starts between now and the end of the January window we won't be looking for a replacement for Lukaku any more or relying too much on DCL given his young age. DCL might learn much from Niasse.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Audrey Horne on September 21, 2017, 10:31:32 PM
Just been talking to someone who makes the point that Niasse has vast amounts of untapped potential and with hard work and good coaching could be a better player than Lukaku in a couple of seasons. Has the build and speed, the ball skills can be worked on, his attitude is good and he has football brain.
Psychologically he has shown a good attitude and mental strength and will learn from the experiences of the last 12 - 18 months.
However, he needs a regular start and if he gets most starts between now and the end of the January window we won't be looking for a replacement for Lukaku any more or relying too much on DCL given his young age. DCL might learn much from Niasse.

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Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton Mint on September 21, 2017, 10:31:45 PM
Some of those other cult-heroes cost nothing. They were grafters but generally poor.

This guy cost us £13m so I think people shouldn't be so quick to judge him as sub-standard, like Koeman did.

Martinez may have faults in terms of his football style, but I'm sure he's not totally incompetent at judging a player that we were looking at signing.

Did he not take the 'gamble' on Lukaku for £28m when many fans thought that was way too much and preferred to talk about his faults ?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 21, 2017, 10:42:17 PM
Some of those other cult-heroes cost nothing. They were grafters but generally poor.

This guy cost us £13m so I think people shouldn't be so quick to judge him as sub-standard, like Koeman did.

Martinez may have faults in terms of his football style, but I'm sure he's not totally incompetent at judging a player that we were looking at signing.

Did he not take the 'gamble' on Lukaku for £28m when many fans thought that was way too much and preferred to talk about his faults ?
Hardly a gamble was it
A young lad with immense talent who had scored 15goals in the pl for the last two seasons?

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on September 21, 2017, 10:43:03 PM
He may not be the greatest all round striker in terms of build-up play, but he does appear to to able to finish.

Remiiiind you of anyone ? ;)

Me?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2017, 10:44:06 PM
About as hard as Koeman/Mosh/Walsh worked on getting a replacement for Lukaku.

I've seen all the negatives posters have mentioned, cant control the ball, is shit in the match, but he can finish..

I'd just have him upfront with DCL or Rooney, i dont care if he doesnt touch the ball or pass to anyone else, I'd rather have a goal scorer.. surely hes better than Nugent or Jeffers or Jevons even Cadimartari and Branch!! 
We just need some one to stretch the play and to be in the box to score, We have struggled to get into the box in the Prem, but im sure with King Niasse, he will score some... then in Jan or Summer we can get a new striker, more to the level we are trying to aspire too, but atm. we are a LOWER PREMIER LEAGUE team. like HULL last season, Lets use the players who can score us goals and get up the table.Rather than trying to bed in 4 players who cant get anywhere near the goals.

The criteria isn't get someone better than Cadamateri, Branch or whoever. It's getting someone who's good enough to score goals consistently NOW in the Prem. We aren't a lower Prem team, like Hull, whatsoever. People aren't dismissing him because of some agenda. They are dismissing him because of all the available evidence:

1) The man who bought him did so out of panic, and then spent the subsequent months pretending that he had an injury that wouldn't allow him to play.
2) Koeman is a pragmatist. He's not bothered about reputations or agendas. If Niasse was good enough, he would've been selected and given a locker.
3) At Hull he flitted in an out of games, and managed to score 4 in 17 games, but generally looked substandard and not even good enough for Hull.
4) The lack of people trying to sign him.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 21, 2017, 10:44:30 PM
great video Lincs Toffee, some amazing finishes in that, and some funny ones,, like the player kicking it in off of him and the one with the mazey run, then he falls over,, swings his left left like 160 degrees and scores lol.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on September 21, 2017, 10:44:58 PM
Just been talking to someone who makes the point that Niasse has vast amounts of untapped potential and with hard work and good coaching could be a better player than Lukaku in a couple of seasons. Has the build and speed, the ball skills can be worked on, his attitude is good and he has football brain.
Psychologically he has shown a good attitude and mental strength and will learn from the experiences of the last 12 - 18 months.
However, he needs a regular start and if he gets most starts between now and the end of the January window we won't be looking for a replacement for Lukaku any more or relying too much on DCL given his young age. DCL might learn much from Niasse.

Was the person you were speaking to just checking into a mental health ward?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 21, 2017, 10:53:38 PM
The criteria isn't get someone better than Cadamateri, Branch or whoever. It's getting someone who's good enough to score goals consistently NOW in the Prem. We aren't a lower Prem team, like Hull, whatsoever. People aren't dismissing him because of some agenda. They are dismissing him because of all the available evidence:

1) The man who bought him did so out of panic, and then spent the subsequent months pretending that he had an injury that wouldn't allow him to play. its that bionic wrist of his, i think it scared Martinez and scared Koeman, but slowly the wrist will conquer all fear
2) Koeman is a pragmatist. He's not bothered about reputations or agendas. If Niasse was good enough, he would've been selected and given a locker. Ballswax, he didnt give him a locker last year, cos Koeman thought Niasse was no where near a footballer..
3) At Hull he flitted in an out of games, and managed to score 4 in 17 games, but generally looked substandard and not even good enough for Hull.he only started a few of those 17 games, most he came on and scored in.
4) The lack of people trying to sign him. thats cos he's our CULT hero lol and not anyone elses.. in the words of Tranmere, our super blue army* replace blue for white in regards to Tranmere.

I know thats not the criteria, but he can and will score goals, give him a go, rather than have the same players who cant score... ATM we are in the lower 1/5th of the premier league, like Hull where,  may as well use him to get us up there, meanwhile Sandro/Klaassen/Rooney/Siggy can get match fit or learn a formation they can all play in, but having those players on the pitch who create ZILCH, is not going to do anything productive for our team.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lincs Toffee on September 21, 2017, 10:59:43 PM
great video Lincs Toffee, some amazing finishes in that, and some funny ones,, like the player kicking it in off of him and the one with the mazey run, then he feels over,, swing his left left like 160 degrees and scores lol.
Agreed some are more like out takes, but he knows where the net is when on a run, I still think he can give other defences something to think about, even if it is to open up space for our better players.
At the end of the day he is another option which we could and should be using.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheRam on September 21, 2017, 11:21:05 PM
The adulation afforded to complete no marks because they 'have a go', compared to the abuse often hurled at the few truly class players we've been blessed with. That's what's small time. It's symptomatic of the last 20+ years of being an Evertonian.

And yet your username is in dedication to a similar type of cult hero in Amokachi.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: piggypop on September 21, 2017, 11:27:35 PM
Not sure how sitting around on 60k a week, and getting a game in the League Cup because the club have been incredibly bad at recruitment and there's barely anyone else who can play counts as 'working hard' like, but anyway....
I'm reading most of the posts as if they have been written in that Sarcasm Font. It helps.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 21, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
It's inspite of Koeman though isn't it? Like some sort of stick to beat him with. As if to say "well Niasse can score goals so Koeman must be a fucking dick head". And that's been alluded to plenty. Whereas the fact remains that Our Niasse will always be sub-standard to the level Everton are aiming to be at under Koeman.

If we have to rely on him, I hope he scores goals, that goes without saying. But if he never plays another minute for us, I won't lose any sleep. Much as I never lost any sleep when Bent left, or Beckford, or Stracqualursi, etc, etc... because they were never good enough, despite fan protestation.

We're a team struggling for goals and short of a striker and we've got this fella already on our books who seems to have a uncanny knack of knocking in goals and has been getting ignored for the last 14 months.

Of course if it continues as it is Koeman would look like a dickhead to carry on ignoring him while he complains about our lack of "productivity" in the final third, and people will rightly call him out on it.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 21, 2017, 11:39:46 PM
Koeman has actually said he's in his plans now.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: hill135 on September 21, 2017, 11:40:30 PM
This debate is a load of old shit. Facetiousness everywhere you look.

No one wants him to fail, no one resents him being given a chance, no one is going to cross their arms and scowl if her scores, and people will get behind him as they did the other night.

Some people just think he’s a bit shit is all, and don’t feel that his goal yesterday changes that. Agree or disagree it’s a perfectly reasonable view
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Silas on September 21, 2017, 11:43:50 PM
He's here at least until January. We have no strikers and he's willing. Even if he just plays the occasional sub role like Valencia last season he's at least an option.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: 74Blue on September 21, 2017, 11:47:35 PM
DCL might learn much from Niasse.
He might not learn any technical ability from Niasse, but some of that attitude and desire, coupled with the natural talent that DCL has would certainly improve him as a player. He's also taught the whole squad that as stubborn as RK is, there's always a way back if you are prepared to work at it.
Let's be totally honest, Niasse is never going to bang the goals in like Lukaku did, but whilst he's wearing the Royal Blue, the least we can do as fans is get behind him and wish him well in his quest to prove that RK was wrong to completely write him off.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 22, 2017, 12:36:47 AM
It's inspite of Koeman though isn't it? Like some sort of stick to beat him with. As if to say "well Niasse can score goals so Koeman must be a fucking dick head". And that's been alluded to plenty. Whereas the fact remains that Our Niasse will always be sub-standard to the level Everton are aiming to be at under Koeman.

If we have to rely on him, I hope he scores goals, that goes without saying. But if he never plays another minute for us, I won't lose any sleep. Much as I never lost any sleep when Bent left, or Beckford, or Stracqualursi, etc, etc... because they were never good enough, despite fan protestation.
Koeman has behaved like a total fucking dick head.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on September 22, 2017, 12:39:16 AM
Koeman has behaved like a total fucking dick head.
Surely it's not Koeman just those he singled out ....😉

I mean if everyone calls him a knob ...it must be everyone else at fault 😅😅
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 22, 2017, 01:01:23 AM
Surely it's not Koeman just those he singled out ....😉

I mean if everyone calls him a knob ...it must be everyone else at fault 😅😅
especially the evil Niasse, if it weren't for him we'd be top.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blueski on September 22, 2017, 01:41:08 AM
like him don't like him whatever he's good enough to help the team at this particular moment if nothing else to put some pressure on DCL and Sandro in training and help with the volume of games

don't agree with those statements that he's not good enough because like it or not based on the collection of forwards we have at this particular moment in time he is
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on September 22, 2017, 03:04:06 AM
It is amazing the anti this or anti that brigade always need a platform to spout their venom.  The anti Lukaku brigade have shut up because their target has gone. Now Koeman is the target with all sorts of unfounded rubbish expressed.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on September 22, 2017, 03:40:37 AM
especially the evil Niasse, if it weren't for him we'd be top.

Bastards them Niasse's! Achtung minen!!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 22, 2017, 03:45:45 AM
Bastards them Niasse's! Achtung minen!!
R street used to be sound till they rocked up.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on September 22, 2017, 04:32:55 AM
R street used to be sound till they rocked up.

Responsible for The Blitz he was you know!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: bogie on September 22, 2017, 05:00:51 AM
right we need a song for this lad

daddy cool
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton Mint on September 22, 2017, 05:15:07 AM
No-one knows the facts on Niasse re his injury after he first arrived. No-one knows why Koeman shut him out. It's all just rumours.

But the fact Koeman had reintegrated him shows to me that he's admitting he had something to offer after all. Even though Koeman wont ever explain what really happened.

All we can do is support him now as an Everton player and judge him after he's had some more games.

I'm disappointed he wasnt put in our Europa League squad where he might've been useful and got more chances to play.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 22, 2017, 06:13:27 AM
The haven't been many"no marks" who have scored in the premier league ,I would go as far as saying that you have to be at the very least good .I respect the reference to 20 years supporting the team but that is nothing in our history because in that time we have not won a thing ,sadly you have not witnessed it but I can tell you we have had a lot worse and they did OK .I suspect the truly class players are Mirallas and Barkley .If it is so then more fool you as they don't / didn't want to play for us ,for that I have no time for them as with Rom -could be the greatest player to pull on our shirt but for me he will always be a disrespectful kid .

No, I'm not classing Mirallas and Barkley in that category. Although they are a damn site better. I've seen plenty of dross at Everton, thanks. And there have been plenty of no-marks who have scored in the premiership.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 22, 2017, 06:19:26 AM
And yet your username is in dedication to a similar type of cult hero in Amokachi.

Yea but mate, we were really shit back in the 90's when I was growing up. It's all I had to go on :)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 22, 2017, 06:24:12 AM
We're a team struggling for goals and short of a striker and we've got this fella already on our books who seems to have a uncanny knack of knocking in goals and has been getting ignored for the last 14 months.

Of course if it continues as it is Koeman would look like a dickhead to carry on ignoring him while he complains about our lack of "productivity" in the final third, and people will rightly call him out on it.

Uncanny knack? How many first team goals has he got in English first team football? 5? There's reasons he's not been picked. Not because of some grudge that has been fabricated by fans, but because he's been assessed in training, time and time again.

Remember what Lukaku's verdict of him was when he signed "he's raw". Very endorsing.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 22, 2017, 06:25:29 AM
Koeman has behaved like a total fucking dick head.

How?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 22, 2017, 06:28:41 AM
But the fact Koeman had reintegrated him shows to me that he's admitting he had something to offer after all. Even though Koeman wont ever explain what really happened.

All it shows is how devoid of options we are. We lost Kone, Valencia and Lukaku in the summer, and brought in Sandro. The maths isn't difficult.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on September 22, 2017, 06:40:03 AM
I mean, he's just not a very good footballer and it was a mistake to sign him at that cost.

However, he does clearly have something to offer I suppose. Not sure what we're arguing about actually, is anyone's opinion much different to this?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: april on September 22, 2017, 02:06:43 PM
£10m? Bargain!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 22, 2017, 02:07:34 PM
Joe Royle rates him.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: BlueForYou on September 22, 2017, 02:12:42 PM
Surely not?

Not as good as Amo!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: MrWhite on September 22, 2017, 03:07:22 PM
I mean, he's just not a very good footballer and it was a mistake to sign him at that cost.

However, he does clearly have something to offer I suppose. Not sure what we're arguing about actually, is anyone's opinion much different to this?

I don't think it is. Some people seem to be over-reacting to other people's posts though.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 22, 2017, 03:40:59 PM
right we need a song for this lad

daddy cool


im going to rip-off the Lukaku chant.


Oh Oumar  Niasse, He's our Senegal scoring genius, With a 24 inch penis, Scoring all the goals, Bell-end by his toes...
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on September 22, 2017, 03:56:23 PM

Song wise we really should be singing his name to this tune. For a football chant its original and the syllables fit perfectly, which is something I know were not renowned for, given how terrible the Barkley and Allez Allez oh songs sounded
Title: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: arteta4spain on September 22, 2017, 04:12:53 PM

Song wise we really should be singing his name to this tune. For a football chant its original and the syllables fit perfectly, which is something I know were not renowned for, given how terrible the Barkley and Allez Allez oh songs sounded
As a musician I should be good at this but I'm terrible when it comes to songs that go together for players. 🤦‍♂️
I take it oogah chacka is for Oumar Niasse? Yeah fits well.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Sir Stealth on September 22, 2017, 04:30:12 PM
As a musician I should be good at this but I'm terrible when it comes to songs that go together for players. 🤦‍♂️
I take it oogah chacka is for Oumar Niasse? Yeah fits well.



Haha yeah just the chanting bit at the start

Ooga   Chakka Ooga Ooga
Oumar Niasse  Oumar Oumar
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Gary1878 on September 22, 2017, 08:24:51 PM
Article on the OS on Niasse. I just can't help but like the lad. He just seems like a genuine guy that wants to do well with no hidden agenda. Good luck to him.


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Oumar Niasse says the warm reception he received from Evertonians at Goodison Park on Wednesday gave him the confidence to grab his first ever goal for the Club.
 
Having been included in a Blues squad for the first time since May 2016 for the Carabao Cup visit of Sunderland, Niasse’s name was greeted with a vociferous cheer before the match - a reaction that was repeated when he stepped off the bench to replace two-goal Dominic Calvert-Lewin with 66 minutes played.
 
The striker then expertly took down a lofted 83rd-minute Tom Davies pass on his chest before firing past goalkeeper Jason Steele to complete a 3-0 victory in front of a delighted Howard Kendall Gwladys Street End.
 
It halted a frustrating wait for a first Everton goal for the Senegal international, who moved to Merseyside in February 2016 having netted 16 times in 34 games for previous club Lokomotiv Moscow.
 
And, in an exclusive interview with The Everton Show, Niasse said: “The fans made me feel very good, honestly. They made me feel like the confidence was coming back and I was thinking I want to give back to them because of what they are giving to me.

“They gave me a great feeling when I went to warm up. I said to myself, ‘the only thing I can do is to try to put the ball in the net’. That was a special moment that they gave to me.
 
“It [the goal] was something I was waiting for and I think also they were waiting for that - for me to give them a goal. Like I said, it was a great feeling and very important for me.

“It has made me feel more confident, it has made me feel that my teammates are more confident and also the fans are going to have more confidence in me.
 
“That’s good for Everton, for the team now and I think the best thing is to keep that and work hard all together, all the squad, the players, all together to try to bring the team back [on track], because we can do it.”
 
Last season, Niasse scored five goals in 19 games on loan at Hull City and, despite his lack of playing time at Goodison, says he has always retained belief he can prove a valuable asset for the Blues.
 
“In life, everything can happen,” he said. “That is what I am saying, always. Sometimes you think everything is going against you but it’s just the way that God chooses, the way that God gives to you. You have to live with that and be the nicest person you can be, work hard, be a professional and, even if you’re Under-18, Under-23 or with the first team, you have to work hard. That’s what I think is the best thing to do.
 
“It was a long wait to get that first goal but it’s a goal in the cup against Sunderland, a team from the Championship, so it was an important one, but the more important thing is that I have to keep working and look for the Premier League goals.

“We will see what happens there after but it is always good to have a goal, especially when the team wins - and we needed that win to bring the confidence back.”

Ronald Koeman said in his press conference on Thursday that Niasse could be involved in the squad that welcomes Bournemouth to Goodison on Saturday and the 27-year-old is hopeful the Blues can build on their convincing display against the Black Cats.

Everton have suffered three straight Premier League defeats against Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester United but have never lost a home game against the Cherries, who only recorded their first points of the campaign against Brighton and Hove Albion last weekend.

Following the visit of Bournemouth, Apollon Limassol head to Goodison in the Europa League next Thursday before another home league game against Burnley prior to the October international break.

And Niasse added: “We needed that win [against Sunderland]. We’re going to have three games in a row at Goodison now and the fans especially were very good on Wednesday.

“I think the next three games we need to take nine points because it’s at Goodison and it’s our home. We can be confident.”
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: arteta4spain on September 22, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
You know what I really love his attitude. I think he knows his limitations but will work hard and give his all for the team. He's not stupid like he seems quite intelligent from that interview and if we give him our support and Koeman gives him a chance I think he'll be useful. He could also be one of those players that will be a distraction for the opposition as he's so unpredictable.
Just keep what your doing Oumar and you just might make it!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: ally2 on September 23, 2017, 12:13:04 AM
I was initially unimpressed with this lad, then angry at how bad he was, but now I think I almost hate him and what he's done to our soppy, cuddly little fan base.

Fuck all this 'God loves a tryer' shit. Fuck his stupid grin. Fuck his 'I'll muck in with the fans at Old Trafford' antics. And fuck his shin bouncing, blue arsed fly kamikaze football.

What is this useless P still doing at our club??!  And why is he even remotely in a position to take game time away from a young prospect instead?  It's like I'm in some sort of parallel universe or something. Maybe I am.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on September 23, 2017, 12:17:14 AM
I was initially unimpressed with this lad, then angry at how bad he was, but now I think I almost hate him and what he's done to our soppy, cuddly little fan base.

Fuck all this 'God loves a tryer' shit. Fuck his stupid grin. Fuck his 'I'll muck in with the fans at Old Trafford' antics. And fuck his shin bouncing, blue arsed fly kamikaze football.

What is this useless P still doing at our club??!  And why is he even remotely in a position to take game time away from a young prospect instead?  It's like I'm in some sort of parallel universe or something. Maybe I am.

Ban this man
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: ally2 on September 23, 2017, 12:19:07 AM
Haha
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheRam on September 23, 2017, 12:24:52 AM
I was initially unimpressed with this lad, then angry at how bad he was, but now I think I almost hate him and what he's done to our soppy, cuddly little fan base.

Fuck all this 'God loves a tryer' shit. Fuck his stupid grin. Fuck his 'I'll muck in with the fans at Old Trafford' antics. And fuck his shin bouncing, blue arsed fly kamikaze football.

What is this useless P still doing at our club??!  And why is he even remotely in a position to take game time away from a young prospect instead?  It's like I'm in some sort of parallel universe or something. Maybe I am.

Heavy post this.

Proper fuming over a player scoring a goal for us.

Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: ally2 on September 23, 2017, 12:55:31 AM
Heavy post this.

Proper fuming over a player scoring a goal for us.

I actually feel bad now.

Sorry Oumar
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on September 23, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
I was initially unimpressed with this lad, then angry at how bad he was, but now I think I almost hate him and what he's done to our soppy, cuddly little fan base.

Fuck all this 'God loves a tryer' shit. Fuck his stupid grin. Fuck his 'I'll muck in with the fans at Old Trafford' antics. And fuck his shin bouncing, blue arsed fly kamikaze football.

What is this useless P still doing at our club??!  And why is he even remotely in a position to take game time away from a young prospect instead?  It's like I'm in some sort of parallel universe or something. Maybe I am.

Fucking hell mate - have a pint or something. There's nothing wrong with appreciating the positive attitude that a player has, even if it is outweighing their actual skill. Some of the best players I played with were the tryers. The ones who you knew you could rely on to put a shift in up against some big, dirty bastard Valleys team who wanted to take your fucking head off and not the flair ones who would go missing.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 23, 2017, 01:13:50 AM
I was initially unimpressed with this lad, then angry at how bad he was, but now I think I almost hate him and what he's done to our soppy, cuddly little fan base.

Fuck all this 'God loves a tryer' shit. Fuck his stupid grin. Fuck his 'I'll muck in with the fans at Old Trafford' antics. And fuck his shin bouncing, blue arsed fly kamikaze football.

What is this useless P still doing at our club??!  And why is he even remotely in a position to take game time away from a young prospect instead?  It's like I'm in some sort of parallel universe or something. Maybe I am.
Hate is a bit fucking much like, unless it's your sister he allegedly wanged
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on September 23, 2017, 01:15:26 AM
Repentance is a wonderful thing. I hope Niasse gives a lot more cause for some of us to regret previous postings about him.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: ally2 on September 23, 2017, 01:16:57 AM
OK OK yes hard week and everything apologies. Off to gym then a beer.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: plumber on September 23, 2017, 01:27:15 AM
I don‘t hate him, hee seems to be a nice lad and it‘s not his fault a clown in brown shoes thought he was a footballer and bought him for crazy money.

What makes me angry is the situation we are in. In the second year of "Moshiri‘s revolution“ and after three transfer windows we have to rely on players like Niasse ffs.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on September 23, 2017, 01:31:56 AM
OK OK yes hard week and everything apologies. Off to gym then a beer.

That's the fucking hammer
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 23, 2017, 01:54:43 AM
Every time I try and think of a Niasse song the Bolasie song takes over. The  heart beat one.

Oumar, Oumar Niasse.....runs down the wing for me.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: ally2 on September 23, 2017, 02:42:15 AM
That's the fucking hammer

What does that mean? Good?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Brownie20 on September 23, 2017, 03:50:52 AM
What does that mean? Good?

Yeah
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on September 23, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
He's a trier with limited ability and, it looks like, a genuine desire to succeed.
He's not going to start many games but his willingness to get in and around the box might well prove useful in the final 20 minutes of games, especially at home, when we're pushing forward and the ball is flying around the area looking for someone to get on the end of things.

For that reason he might prove an asset, at least until January.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: toffee_scot on September 23, 2017, 05:29:43 PM
I'm happy for him that he scored his first goal for us and I'm glad that he got a very good reception from the fans.

It's difficult to tell though just how valuable an asset he could be this season based on the Sunderland game, but indeed for the moment, he is an option for up front and we just need to get through to January when hopefully a striker will have been lined up for the club.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 23, 2017, 05:36:25 PM
Hate is a bit fucking much like, unless it's your sister he allegedly wanged

If that was the case, that huge grin of his would piss Ally2 off even more...
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Martip on September 23, 2017, 10:58:00 PM
Fooking love this guys fighting spirit. Some of the others could learn a lot from him.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Silas on September 23, 2017, 10:59:39 PM
I am not that arsed about the fighting spririt but he may well be our best finisher at this moment in time. I don't think we can dismiss that.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Shogun on September 23, 2017, 11:00:10 PM
Anyone left who still believes Niasse was dumped by Koeman for footballing reasons and has no part of play in the squad?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blueToffee on September 23, 2017, 11:02:47 PM
I am not that arsed about the fighting spririt but he may well be our best finisher at this moment in time. I don't think we can dismiss that.

Unquestionable at this point I think you'd have to say.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Faceatthefence on September 23, 2017, 11:03:00 PM
Hull getting relegated,Palace not buying and a substitution against Bournemouth brought me here.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton Mint on September 23, 2017, 11:08:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKa4NCOWkAMfxdD.jpg:large)

The replacement was here all the time...  :cheers:
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: AllyBlue14 on September 23, 2017, 11:19:34 PM
You can say what you like about him, but he has the attributes we need at the moment. Long may it continue. He seems to appreciate being given a chance and after hearing Lukaku spouting off for the last 3 years, it's a refreshing change.

That's why he's popular, he's just such an unlikely hero.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on September 24, 2017, 12:53:23 AM
Only song I can think for this guy got

"Oumar Niasse... is fucking class, oumar niasse is fucking class, he's class, class and more class, oumar niasse is fucking class... Oumar Niasse.......... 
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton Mint on September 24, 2017, 01:06:11 AM
"Rhythm is a dancer...
Niasse is the answer,
scoring goals from everywhere !"
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Deano Blue Boy on September 24, 2017, 01:12:37 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we fail to include him in our Europa league team?

Could come back to haunt us.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Macca77 on September 24, 2017, 01:14:50 AM
💙

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/911653802964652037
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 24, 2017, 01:15:52 AM
He's like a young Alan Shearer.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blargins on September 24, 2017, 01:21:20 AM
Only four goals behind Rom now...
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheTone on September 24, 2017, 01:24:03 AM
He's like a young Alan Shearer.

head off him
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: sam of the south on September 24, 2017, 01:24:21 AM
💙

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/911653802964652037

Bless him, man
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: toffeeland on September 24, 2017, 01:30:21 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we fail to include him in our Europa league team?

Could come back to haunt us.

He is not in the squad  :'(
see here:
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/09/05/europa-league-squad-confirmed
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bally on September 24, 2017, 01:43:41 AM
"Rhythm is a dancer...
Niasse is the answer,
scoring goals from everywhere !"
Koeman is a chancer.
Niasse is the answer.
Scoring goals like he don't care.

Didn't get a locker.
Never gave a fuck there.
Raise your hands up in the air.



Wooohhhhh ooooo it's his passion
Woah ho you can feel it in the air.
Woah ho it's his passion
Woah ho raise your hands up in the air.

Repeat first verse
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blue slug on September 24, 2017, 01:46:07 AM
He's the new amo
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 24, 2017, 01:52:26 AM
Fuckin Boss..make him player manager.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Everton Mint on September 24, 2017, 03:29:16 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we fail to include him in our Europa league team?

Could come back to haunt us.

Yep. Another big mistake by Koeman.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 24, 2017, 03:45:11 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we fail to include him in our Europa league team?

Could come back to haunt us.

Wonder if he'll go full kit for the final to lift the trophy.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 24, 2017, 04:05:06 AM
Made up for Niasse but let’s not pretend we’ve got a 20 goal a season striker on our hands. I’ve called for him to be in and around the team purely due to lack or other options but he shouldn’t even be at the club. We should have signed 2 genuine strikers in the summer. Koeman binned off Niasse assuming we’d get better strikers and we didn’t so was left to pick up the pieces.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 24, 2017, 04:09:27 AM
Im more than happy with him just staying in the 18 yard line and running.. DCL can do the work, he's boss at it.

Niasse might not be the best striker we got, but time will show he is the best finisher, Thus why he should just stay in the 18 yard box.

if we can carry Klaaassen doing fuck all, im more than happy having Niasses' big smile chasing back, and doing his damage in the box.

going to put a bet on Niasse being our highest goal scorer this year. (he's in the lead already.. trololo Wayne playing 800 minutes more than the king and being a goal behind.)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Shogun on September 24, 2017, 04:12:44 AM
Least we can see why he won Russia player of the season
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bluedylan on September 24, 2017, 04:15:55 AM
First goal was technically superb and the second was brave and committed. Fair play.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2017, 04:43:51 AM
Joint top scorer this season and he's only played about half an hour.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 24, 2017, 04:50:07 AM
Yep. Another big mistake by Koeman.

Some people are to busy celebrating our win over Bournemouth to care about that!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2017, 05:48:38 AM


Look at him when it goes in. Screaming at DCL to get the fucking ball so we can get another.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Bally on September 24, 2017, 05:55:45 AM


Look at him when it goes in. Screaming at DCL to get the fucking ball so we can get another.
First thing I noticed at the game then he just runs and gets it himself. Fucking boss.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Shogun on September 24, 2017, 05:57:23 AM
Weird having the two best Senegalese players on Merseyside
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: GoodisonPk on September 24, 2017, 05:58:02 AM
What a lad
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Post by: brap2 on September 24, 2017, 06:00:15 AM
First thing I noticed at the game then he just runs and gets it himself. Fucking boss.


He's rocketed up in my estimations after that. His first thought in THAT MOMENT, was of the team.
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Post by: BlueBeagle on September 24, 2017, 06:11:02 AM
Some people are to busy celebrating our win over Bournemouth to care about that!

Well there's fuck all can be done about it now is there so what's the point pissing and moaning about it
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Post by: sam of the south on September 24, 2017, 06:13:02 AM
He's rocketed up in my estimations after that. His first thought in THAT MOMENT, was of the team.

My word, that is effing superb.

Screw the congratulations and personal adulation; let's get the ball and go on and get the winner 🙌🏼
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: arteta4spain on September 24, 2017, 07:32:57 AM

Song wise we really should be singing his name to this tune. For a football chant its original and the syllables fit perfectly, which is something I know were not renowned for, given how terrible the Barkley and Allez Allez oh songs sounded
So I'm in the Jacaranda with the Mrs upstairs and see this; (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170924/d55547b09115aee366fb781626457780.jpg)
Start singing "Oumar Niasse, Oumar Niasse, Oumar, Oumar, Niasse." I'm laughing my head off chugging a Peroni while the mrs is sat there in disbelief thinking have I missed a joke?"
Yes love you have. (Don't call her love, she'll kill you!) 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: arteta4spain on September 24, 2017, 07:39:58 AM
Anyone left who still believes Niasse was dumped by Koeman for footballing reasons and has no part of play in the squad?
Honestly believe he didn't give him a chance, seen a bit of him and thought that was enough to valuate him on. He's not world class but I think he'll do and in this climate is probably worth around the price we paid, for now! Get a few more and if we wanna sell we'd bag around 20 mill. At a push!!!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 24, 2017, 10:50:33 AM
My word, that is effing superb.

Screw the congratulations and personal adulation; let's get the ball and go on and get the winner 🙌🏼

Probably why Koeman wasn't celebrating too.

I know that doesn't fit the storyline of how he was upset Niasse scored that all his haters on here want to believe.
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Post by: Heisenberg on September 24, 2017, 11:37:33 AM
Niasse is boss an koeman is shit
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Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 24, 2017, 01:03:01 PM
Probably why Koeman wasn't celebrating too.

I know that doesn't fit the storyline of how he was upset Niasse scored that all his haters on here want to believe.
He's deserved his critics, if he carry's on with starting line ups like he has, when there's better on the bench or on garden leave, then he'll be in for a lot more and worse.
   Some things haven't worked that's fine it's what a manager is for in any job, change direction when needed it's simple, don't keep on with something that's wrong and saying black is white, that's what people are pissed of with,his next starting 11 will be interesting and a very important yardstick for his understanding of his squad or lack of it.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2017, 03:57:17 PM
He's rocketed up in my estimations after that. His first thought in THAT MOMENT, was of the team.

Would have been so easy to pour out all that frustration after the first goal and soak it up in front of 30-odd thousand fans but all he's bothered about is getting another. Humble lad who seems to have zero ego. Loved that just as much as the goal.
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Post by: Zoolander on September 24, 2017, 03:58:48 PM
Found this funny. Even Yannick  Bolasie chips in
https://twitter.com/iwan_jones5/status/911586126875578369
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 24, 2017, 04:04:32 PM
Didn’t Niasse beat up his wife?
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Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2017, 04:08:26 PM
Didn’t Niasse beat up his wife?

What a strange post.
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Post by: MrWhite on September 24, 2017, 04:58:21 PM
Didn’t Niasse beat up his wife?

No, he was arrested on suspicion of assault and questioned in May 2016. Since no further mention has ever been made, it's reasonable to conclude there was no further action taken. Given law in this country works on the basis of innocent until proven guilty, that makes your post potentially libellous..
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Post by: BlueBeagle on September 24, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
No, he was arrested on suspicion of assault and questioned in May 2016. Since no further mention has ever been made, it's reasonable to conclude there was no further action taken. Given law in this country works on the basis of innocent until proven guilty, that makes your post potentially libellous..

He was asking a question. Pull your thong out your arse.
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Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2017, 05:21:55 PM
He was asking a question. Pull your thong out your arse.

A rhetorical one most likely.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: MrWhite on September 24, 2017, 08:00:35 PM
He was asking a question. Pull your thong out your arse.
Hi pot, my names kettle. Lolol
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 24, 2017, 08:05:38 PM
that makes your post potentially libellous..

I'm sure Niasse is on to his lawyers as we speak..
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: bacon sarnie on September 24, 2017, 08:20:28 PM
 Big fuck off to the know-it-all's on here who said he was shit  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jimmywhack on September 24, 2017, 08:25:53 PM
Big fuck off to the know-it-all's on here who said he was shit 
There's been plenty of not the best players who have scored in the pl

Niasse has a long way to go to prove he is of a high standard

Let's hope he gets there
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Post by: Brownie20 on September 24, 2017, 08:43:28 PM
There's been plenty of not the best players who have scored in the pl

Niasse has a long way to go to prove he is of a high standard

Let's hope he gets there

Wait until he doesn't score against Burnley then the same people saying he's great will be back to saying he's shit. Made up for the lad but I'm more entertained by the polarised opinions of him on here - usually by the same posters 😂
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 24, 2017, 08:44:35 PM
There's been plenty of not the best players who have scored in the pl

Niasse has a long way to go to prove he is of a high standard

Let's hope he gets there

Don't think anyone's expecting him to suddenly become a superstar but it's clear he's far from the donkey some have portrayed him as.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on September 24, 2017, 08:52:05 PM
Don't think anyone's expecting him to suddenly become a superstar but it's clear he's far from the donkey some have portrayed him as.
Mainly Koeman ...whistles
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 24, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Mainly Koeman ...whistles

At least he's seemingly swallowed his pride, heaven forbid people would have to acknowledged they're wrong in the internet.

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Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 24, 2017, 09:06:11 PM
Big fuck off to the know-it-all's on here who said he was shit  :thumbsup:
If he never scores again at least he's had that buzz yesterday, must have felt so fuckin boss.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 24, 2017, 09:08:02 PM
He's deserved his critics, if he carry's on with starting line ups like he has, when there's better on the bench or on garden leave, then he'll be in for a lot more and worse.
   Some things haven't worked that's fine it's what a manager is for in any job, change direction when needed it's simple, don't keep on with something that's wrong and saying black is white, that's what people are pissed of with,his next starting 11 will be interesting and a very important yardstick for his understanding of his squad or lack of it.


What a load of absolute nonsense. Has he even fielded the same 11 twice in a row?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 24, 2017, 09:16:02 PM
What a load of absolute nonsense. Has he even fielded the same 11 twice in a row?
Dosen't say anywhere that he has.
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Post by: Ell Capitan on September 24, 2017, 09:56:48 PM
Dosen't say anywhere that he has.

So what's he "keeping on with something that's wrong and saying black is white"?
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Post by: ally2 on September 24, 2017, 10:02:25 PM
What a load of absolute nonsense. Has he even fielded the same 11 twice in a row?

Is that the mark of a top manager?

Can't find the best set up vs to stubborn to change?  That's accepting the premise that a first 11 suits all occasions, which it doesn't.
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Post by: Ell Capitan on September 24, 2017, 10:03:45 PM
Is that the mark of a top manager?

Can't find the best set up vs to stubborn to change?  That's accepting the premise that a first 11 suits all occasions, which it doesn't.

I'm not saying it is. The other poster was just saying something about how Koeman never changes anything and I'm saying that's bollocks.
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Post by: ally2 on September 24, 2017, 10:06:54 PM
I'm not saying it is. The other poster was just saying something about how Koeman never changes anything and I'm saying that's bollocks.

Yes sorry lost the thread there
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Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 24, 2017, 10:09:23 PM
the question should be. how many times has Koeman realised with in the first tens mins, that his formation / team selection is wrong.. then the next match he sets up the same again!

the answer is 0 times... i think it will change now tho, it has to. surely he has been watching what happens when he plays the correct players over his faves.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Marky Mark and the funky on September 24, 2017, 10:48:47 PM
I don't want Niasse starting. Let the 'first' eleven wear out the other team* and then apply the Oumar super-sub treatment.

*We have to master doing this without letting them score!
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Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 24, 2017, 11:22:11 PM
I'm not saying it is. The other poster was just saying something about how Koeman never changes anything and I'm saying that's bollocks.
The changes he's made have been forced when desperate, he keeps starting without Davies even though he's been our best player when on the park, he keeps taking no blame although that's showing signs of of a begrudging relent, he keeps saying "but ok" when it fucking isn't ok, he keeps starting with his new signings when they've largely been shit, apart from Keane and Pickford.
            We got 3 points yesterday which is good but his starters lost 1-0, the cast offs put it right, was a sweet day,let's see what he does next, we climbed the table while he was taught a lesson{hopefully}
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Post by: gizzblue on September 24, 2017, 11:28:59 PM
If he never scores again at least he's had that buzz yesterday, must have felt so fuckin boss.
Every true blue grew up wanting that feeling ☺
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on September 24, 2017, 11:31:47 PM
At least he's seemingly swallowed his pride, heaven forbid people would have to acknowledged they're wrong in the internet.
A)Swallowed his pride
B) has his hand forced. ....
little of A lot of B imho.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on September 24, 2017, 11:35:02 PM
Getting incredibly snobby around here when the talk of Niasse comes around. Lots of miserable fuckers not wanting to be seen to acknowledging that yesterday was a great moment and a narrative that strikes a chord with a lot of fans. We all know he's got limited ability but no less than a lot of other players who we had in the Moyes era but he's never once moaned and got his head down and yesterday was a nice moment for him but more importantly a vital win for us. He's also one of the very few players we have whose only thought is getting in the box and wanting to run the other way, giving the player on the ball another option.

He might prove useful this season but even if he doesn't and bombs out the next few games it's no reason for the 'I told you so's' to come out in force.
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Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 24, 2017, 11:35:54 PM
I hate but ok. he seems to say it 10 times every interview.
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Post by: KoemansNumberTens on September 24, 2017, 11:43:05 PM
If ultimately his future isn't with us I hope he does enough this season to find himself a club at a good level.
Plus while 15m at the time was poor business the market seems to have caught it up now and should he get 10-12 goals we might very well make a profit
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 25, 2017, 12:20:46 AM
If ultimately his future isn't with us I hope he does enough this season to find himself a club at a good level.
Plus while 15m at the time was poor business the market seems to have caught it up now and should he get 10-12 goals we might very well make a profit

If we use him for what he offers, willing runner, good finisher, alongside DCL, im confident he will be our highest goalscorer, as such we should not get rid of him.

play to his  and DCLs advantages..
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Post by: Ell Capitan on September 25, 2017, 12:41:46 AM
The changes he's made have been forced when desperate, he keeps starting without Davies even though he's been our best player when on the park, he keeps taking no blame although that's showing signs of of a begrudging relent, he keeps saying "but ok" when it fucking isn't ok, he keeps starting with his new signings when they've largely been shit, apart from Keane and Pickford.
            We got 3 points yesterday which is good but his starters lost 1-0, the cast offs put it right, was a sweet day,let's see what he does next, we climbed the table while he was taught a lesson{hopefully}

What a load of bollocks.
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Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 25, 2017, 12:46:23 AM
What a load of bollocks.
That's fine, we have different views, what it's all about.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: ally2 on September 25, 2017, 01:13:04 AM
Getting incredibly snobby around here when the talk of Niasse comes around. Lots of miserable fuckers not wanting to be seen to acknowledging that yesterday was a great moment and a narrative that strikes a chord with a lot of fans. We all know he's got limited ability but no less than a lot of other players who we had in the Moyes era but he's never once moaned and got his head down and yesterday was a nice moment for him but more importantly a vital win for us. He's also one of the very few players we have whose only thought is getting in the box and wanting to run the other way, giving the player on the ball another option.

He might prove useful this season but even if he doesn't and bombs out the next few games it's no reason for the 'I told you so's' to come out in force.

Oh don't get me wrong I think he's rubbish. But yesterday he was brilliant. I'm happy to be wrong long term if he keeps scoring. Of course I am.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Faceatthefence on September 25, 2017, 01:41:18 AM
If we use him for what he offers, willing runner, good finisher, alongside DCL, im confident he will be our highest goalscorer, as such we should not get rid of him.

play to his  and DCLs advantages..
[/quote Niasse 3 goals,goal every 20 mins,100% shot accuracy
               DCL  2 goals,goal every 33 mins,50% shot accuracy
            Rooney 2 goals,goal every 248 mins,50% shot accuracy
Stats from premiership & Carabao,youve pretty much nailed it
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: hill135 on September 25, 2017, 01:45:48 AM
Getting incredibly snobby around here when the talk of Niasse comes around. Lots of miserable fuckers not wanting to be seen to acknowledging that yesterday was a great moment and a narrative that strikes a chord with a lot of fans. We all know he's got limited ability but no less than a lot of other players who we had in the Moyes era but he's never once moaned and got his head down and yesterday was a nice moment for him but more importantly a vital win for us. He's also one of the very few players we have whose only thought is getting in the box and wanting to run the other way, giving the player on the ball another option.

He might prove useful this season but even if he doesn't and bombs out the next few games it's no reason for the 'I told you so's' to come out in force.

Nah, it's the other way round. I haven't seen anyone in the 'not good enough' camp behaving like this, but in fact I've seen a lot of snobbery and smug 'I told you so's' from those who said he was worthy of a chance.

Either way, it's all very boring.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: wepull on September 25, 2017, 01:54:07 AM
I am not sure about how his future pans out with us, but that first goal was absolutely brilliant and I doubt many of the world class strikers would have scored that
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Post by: MrWhite on September 25, 2017, 04:10:23 AM
I'm sure Niasse is on to his lawyers as we speak..
So you think it's nice to call him a wife beater at this particular moment?

Some right snide shit going on round here at the moment. Maybe my post was condescending but it seemed politer that giving abuse to something that was pretty out of order.
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Post by: MrWhite on September 25, 2017, 04:13:45 AM
Nah, it's the other way round. I haven't seen anyone in the 'not good enough' camp behaving like this, but in fact I've seen a lot of snobbery and smug 'I told you so's' from those who said he was worthy of a chance.

Either way, it's all very boring.

There's a fair bit of shit behaviour on both sides. Quite how Niasse has become such a marmite figure is beyond me, but the level of snideness from some long time posters on both sides of the debate is just.. really fucking lame. If you're getting upset over Niasse for any reason you need to take some time out and get a fucking grip!
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Post by: Lxxx on September 25, 2017, 04:25:34 AM
Nah, it's the other way round. I haven't seen anyone in the 'not good enough' camp behaving like this, but in fact I've seen a lot of snobbery and smug 'I told you so's' from those who said he was worthy of a chance.

Either way, it's all very boring.

I don't think anyone was championing him on here. It was pretty much universally agreed he wasn't good enough.

If you think the Niasse story is a boring one you must be a very sad man.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Duncs_a_legend on September 25, 2017, 04:26:11 AM
Is he marmite?

Surely most people just like the fact he come on and won the game for us?

I've not noticed anyone proper hate on the lad. Some think he's not very good and some think he deserves a chance (more because we have NO decent forwards rather than him being a world beater). I've mostly just felt sorry for him, it was nice to see him prove Koeman wrong more than anything.

Ross Barkley is marmite. Niasse is peanut butter.
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Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 25, 2017, 04:29:01 AM
Is he marmite?

Surely most people just like the fact he come on and won the game for us?

I've not noticed anyone proper hate on the lad. Some think he's not very good and some think he deserves a chance (more because we have NO decent forwards rather than him being a world beater)

Ross Barkley is marmite. Niasse is peanut butter.

to the Niasse haters he's the crunchy sun pat peanut butter, to the lovers he's the whole earth organic smooth version.

cant wait for Barkley to come back, i might even have a half piece of toast with marmite on *shudders*
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Post by: Jamokachi on September 25, 2017, 08:06:20 AM
I hate but ok. he seems to say it 10 times every interview.

He's Dutch ffs.
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Post by: Lazarou on September 25, 2017, 11:28:46 AM
I took it at face value that he was not good enough, but he kept scoring in the U 23's. I guess it did not matter as we had Rom who never got injured last season. He obviously is not the most elegant footballer and everyone loves a silky stylish player, but there have been many very average players with impressive goal records as they just have that sort of unteachable knack of being in the right place and doing the right thing at the right time, also his slight unpredictability helps.

Made up for him and us, it's shame I wont see him on Thursday night due to another balls up from the club regarding his career. I love his can do never give up attitude it's like he knows how lucky he is to be doing what he does. Most other pro players should take a leaf from the book of Oumar on how to conduct yourself when not getting in the team.

Bit of a fairy tale and I hope it continues as he twats it in the top corner at Anfield for the winner in the 89th minute.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 25, 2017, 03:34:32 PM
He's Dutch ffs.

not that i know many dutch people, but the ones i have met during my life, didnt seem to be stuck on but ok. not having a go like.

Harry Kane on motd a few weeks ago LOL that shit was funny.. kept saying ERRRR ERRR ERRR every 3 words... He was saying it as he didnt know what to say/under pressure during interview,,, but the way Koeman says but ok., it doesnt look like he's searching for words in his mind, he's actually saying but ok.!!
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 25, 2017, 05:58:09 PM
I hate but ok. he seems to say it 10 times every interview.

This from the guy posting the thread about racism.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheRam on September 25, 2017, 06:11:56 PM
He's hardly being racist
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on September 25, 2017, 06:30:04 PM

This from the guy posting the thread about racism.
What's racist about what he's said?
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ell Capitan on September 25, 2017, 06:36:02 PM
Hating/taking the piss out of the way the foreigner speaks English?

I lived in Holland, it's a very common verbal filler.

I'm not accusing anyone of racism but it's hardly being very empathetic towards a foreigner.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 25, 2017, 06:38:59 PM
Hating/taking the piss out of the way the foreigner speaks English?

I lived in Holland, it's a very common verbal filler.

I'm not accusing anyone of racism but it's hardly being very empathetic towards a foreigner.


I understand how that could have come across,, but as i said, its not that he doesnt know what to say, its the way he says it. like we should accept what has happened... Its the same to me as Martinez saying phenomenal. (when it wasnt phenomenal)
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 25, 2017, 09:26:19 PM
I said when he came it was unfair to judge him as he joined a disaster waiting to happen . He had personal issues and Koeman fucked him but he has shown he can score goals and pressure defenders , 2 things we were failing to do . he is limited but fuck me if Straq was considered OK then its about time Niasse was given a chance instead of just labelling him not good enough . At the minute Klassen and Sandro aren't good enough , Davies and Niasse are .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: everton1952 on September 25, 2017, 09:40:42 PM
It was not racist to criticise Koeman's lack of English/fluency, it was just stupid that is all. When I see all the PL footballers and managers facing cameras in this country and dealing with journalists who often make no allowances for their first language not being English,  they do brilliantly well. The opposite is true unfortunately of "us lot" when trying to speak another language. To put it bluntly, the likes of our heroes Rooney, Barkley and many other leading pros are not even fluent in their own language let alone another. Well OK... He also shrugs his shoulders a lot. That might annoy some.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Rodenplav64 on September 25, 2017, 10:00:49 PM
I am not his biggest fan but it would be funny to see him wield a baseball bat every time he got asked a stupid question by the moronic press pack .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lincs Toffee on September 26, 2017, 01:41:44 AM
Guy on NBC talking about Niasse and spoke to Bobby brown shoes who said we bought him ready for the following year knowing he wasn't fit for that year and now he's showing what he's made of, the reason we bought him early was to stop other interested parties jumping in.... could be bollocks from Martinez but sounds plausible.

Also said Oumar hasn't even got an Everton suit to wear but has been promised one for Sunday .
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on September 27, 2017, 06:29:29 PM
There is also the fact that Niasse might have improved in the last 18 months to take into consideration too. When he first joined he was falling over his own shoelaces and looked like a comedy act and granted he might not be great technically but he also might have been nervous, younger, new environment, not played at this level before, just not up to speed....

On Saturday he didn't look like the same player who couldn't control a football when he played in that joke of a game against West Ham at home. Maybe just maybe he's learnt a lot in the past 18 months and now understands what he has to do in this country to make an impression; his tracking back, dispossessing, passing and getting on his bike into the area for his goal showed a sign that if nothing else maybe Unsworth has instilled some good habits into him.

This isn't to say we should necessarily expect good things from him but as a replacement for the Valencia-type role last season he may just prove useful over a long season.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: BlueMaquis on September 27, 2017, 06:48:26 PM
This isn't to say we should necessarily expect good things from him but as a replacement for the Valencia-type role last season he may just prove useful over a long season.


I'd say he's already proved himself more useful than Valencia was for us.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on September 27, 2017, 06:51:45 PM
I'd say he's already proved himself more useful than Valencia was for us.

Valencia's 3 goals in 21 appearances compared to Niasse's 3 goals in about half an hour might indicate you could be right.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Robioto on September 27, 2017, 07:53:24 PM
If Niasse completely turns this around, which I think is possible, he will become one of my favourite ever Everton players.

I've never rooted for a player to do well quite as much as this.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lazarou on September 27, 2017, 08:12:28 PM
There is also the fact that Niasse might have improved in the last 18 months to take into consideration too. When he first joined he was falling over his own shoelaces and looked like a comedy act and granted he might not be great technically but he also might have been nervous, younger, new environment, not played at this level before, just not up to speed....

On Saturday he didn't look like the same player who couldn't control a football when he played in that joke of a game against West Ham at home. Maybe just maybe he's learnt a lot in the past 18 months and now understands what he has to do in this country to make an impression; his tracking back, dispossessing, passing and getting on his bike into the area for his goal showed a sign that if nothing else maybe Unsworth has instilled some good habits into him.

This isn't to say we should necessarily expect good things from him but as a replacement for the Valencia-type role last season he may just prove useful over a long season.

Good point 18 months is a long time to evolve as a player. Just hitting his peak years as a striker. You got to love the guy. I hope he becomes a great player for us.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Jamokachi on September 28, 2017, 07:54:04 AM
Echo podcast reckon Niasse was reintroduced to first team affairs under the request of the board.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 28, 2017, 08:03:20 AM
Hope he starts sunday..............Thunderin g Blue in the Cambridgeshire saturday.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lazarou on September 28, 2017, 02:23:32 PM
Echo podcast reckon Niasse was reintroduced to first team affairs under the request of the board.

Interesting, does that suggest the board are not fully on board with the good ship Koeman? It appears the board are a better judge of a striker than him.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Escla on September 28, 2017, 02:26:41 PM
 :smug:it's just speculation though isn't it.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on September 28, 2017, 02:49:58 PM
Echo podcast reckon Niasse was reintroduced to first team affairs under the request of the board.

Thats what I suspected. You can't go complaining to the media that you've got no productivity up front and have this fella in the u23's knocking in goals regularly while getting paid £50k a week but never getting a chance in the first team.

There's only so much you can push the board about the failure to get a forward before they pushed back.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on September 28, 2017, 03:29:10 PM
Echo podcast reckon Niasse was reintroduced to first team affairs under the request of the board.

I would like to think so. If we're going to be run more professionally we need to show a bit more backbone right through the whole club and demand that standards are raised and no-one dictates their own terms.
I kind of get the feeling Koeman had the impression Everton were lucky to have him last season (based on nothing but an opinion and his sometimes scathing remarks of what he inherited), but maybe this season we're hopefully giving him the impression he's not expendable and for trousering £6m/year comes expectations that are commensurate with that amount of money.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 29, 2017, 01:32:54 AM
I would like to think so. If we're going to be run more professionally we need to show a bit more backbone right through the whole club and demand that standards are raised and no-one dictates their own terms.
I kind of get the feeling Koeman had the impression Everton were lucky to have him last season (based on nothing but an opinion and his sometimes scathing remarks of what he inherited), but maybe this season we're hopefully giving him the impression he's not expendable and for trousering £6m/year comes expectations that are commensurate with that amount of money.
Exactly, we aren't fuckin desperate anymore we can leave them instead of waiting for them to leave us, will take some getting used to but it's a delicious prospect, calling the shots instead of assuming the "position"
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on October 02, 2017, 02:11:12 PM
He was dreadful.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 02, 2017, 02:29:40 PM
At least the brief and bizarre collective wank over him that's taken place in the last week may now be over.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: dazfrancis on October 02, 2017, 02:46:00 PM
Shouldn't be starting games but given our lack of options we might need to bring him on to bulldoze a goal because we are absolutely horrific.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheRam on October 02, 2017, 03:15:35 PM
Looked no worse than Sandro has
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Post by: Faceatthefence on October 02, 2017, 03:20:27 PM
Looked no worse than Sandro has
And he never had a 100 pages of hand wringing and nail biting written about him for his would he wont he signature.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on October 02, 2017, 04:20:47 PM
Did alright in setting up Sig for that sitter which he declined to take. He's a nuisance and probably best served as a sub from the bench when we're chasing the game, which might be quite often from here on in.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on October 02, 2017, 04:27:53 PM
Looked no worse than Sandro has

He's a mystery that lad isn't he. I still sort of believe in him possibly because I'm an idiot but fuck me sometimes you watch him and just think what the fuck..
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 02, 2017, 05:36:46 PM
So, Koeman bit his lip and succumbed to pressure to start Niasse.

Should we consider it a desperate failed experiment or try it again.

Let's face it, he was awful and has no idea how to play in that role.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 02, 2017, 05:52:37 PM
Valencia's 3 goals in 21 appearances compared to Niasse's 3 goals in about half an hour might indicate you could be right.

I'd hold off judgment until he's got 19 more appearances for us. Because given what he showed Saturday, it's quite possible Niasse won't score in any of them.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 02, 2017, 05:58:09 PM
At least the brief and bizarre collective wank over him that's taken place in the last week may now be over.

Niasse may well just prove to be this season's Denis Stracqualursi.

Or Segundo, who once scored a goal for us, taking time out from his busy schedule of wandering away from his defensive midfield duties to allow the opposition a free break toward the Everton goal.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: TheTone on October 02, 2017, 06:04:44 PM
Definitely not good enough to start games

He was fucked after 30mins yesterday

Can't fault his effort though

There are plenty other more talented players in that squad who have downed tools the massive shithouses
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ross on October 02, 2017, 06:06:42 PM
He looked like our most likely goalscorer yesterday. Not sure what people want from him.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 02, 2017, 06:23:02 PM
DCL and Niasse looked good together, so did VLasic,.. its not their fault they had no passes/chances created.. Niasse tired tho after like 70 mins.. but he put a shift in.

much better than Klaassen, Sandro.

just dont understand why Sandro came on, should have bought lookman on.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on October 02, 2017, 06:26:40 PM
What are you watching? Niasse looked dangerously out of his depth.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: wepull on October 02, 2017, 06:37:28 PM
Reminded me Beckford. Absolutely horrendous technical abilities but can score goals. Should be used from the subs bench. 
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 02, 2017, 06:48:55 PM
Reminded me Beckford. Absolutely horrendous technical abilities but can score goals. Should be used from the subs bench.
Wouldnt say he,s horrendous but technically limited,however youre right he,s not a starter but he is our senior striker at the club and the lad is a in a difficult position we should get behind him in whatever capacity that is.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 02, 2017, 06:59:55 PM
What are you watching? Niasse looked dangerously out of his depth.

can label the same at you bud, what was you watching?

yes his build up play was a bit naff, but he still set up siggy in the box. had a few shots on target.

still alot better than Sandro.

we should be used to a striker not controlling the ball.. after all we had Lukaku for 4 seasons..  :badum:
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on October 02, 2017, 07:06:44 PM
I'd hold off judgment until he's got 19 more appearances for us. Because given what he showed Saturday, it's quite possible Niasse won't score in any of them.

I'd be willing to put a wager on that.

He's technically very limited, his awareness isn't great and he wasn't fully fit nor match fit.

Having said that if we had a team that knew how to create chances he'd score goals, probably off the bench, as he has a desire to get in the box.

Don't get me wrong he's nowhere near good enough for a club with aspirations of the top 6 but at the moment we aren't so you have to cut your cloth accordingly.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: gizzblue on October 02, 2017, 07:30:56 PM
Seems a few have the pitchforks  out for him already ....he's not a winger but spent a lot of the time in Sigs left wing position(while Sig drifted into his natural cam position ) picking the ball up. ...always carried forward never went back to the keeper or sideways ....yes he's not Ronaldo but at least he was trying ....more than can be said for a good few alleged "better" players out there yesterday ...he was giving 100% ...and nowhere near the worst out there yesterday ...Martina,
Williams , Schneiderlin, all shite.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 02, 2017, 07:34:12 PM
DCL and Niasse looked good together,

As part of a team photo maybe.

At a strike force pairing they'd be the use-case go-to example of a clueless partnership.

It was abysmal.

The complete polar opposite to 'SAS' or other brilliant partnerships.

It was a botched experiment.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: blueski on October 02, 2017, 08:11:45 PM
What are you watching? Niasse looked dangerously out of his depth.
He wasnt good but he did at least worry the defence for a bit - for all his skill they had dcl in their pocket all game too
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Rhys on October 02, 2017, 08:46:46 PM
As part of a team photo maybe.

At a strike force pairing they'd be the use-case go-to example of a clueless partnership.

It was abysmal.

The complete polar opposite to 'SAS' or other brilliant partnerships.

It was a botched experiment.

I agree. Second half in particular they stood yards apart with no difference in depth. We needed one to sometimes come shorter, more runs into the channels and one of them to look to go in behind. Instead we had to see Baines standing on the ball with no left winger, no movement from either forward and going back to Williams followed by groans from the crowd.

Niasse showed why he hasnt been involved, touch not good enough, strange footballing brain and lost the ball very poorly time after time. Cant fault the effort or will to be involved but the reality is what we knew already from his first spell and watching him at Hull, he isnt good enough and its only because it is desperate times in that department that he is involved.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Lxxx on October 02, 2017, 09:04:45 PM
A part of me thinks Koeman knew Niasse wasn't good enough but decided to throw him under a bus yesterday in a no lose situation. If he bombs he doesn't need to say 'I told you so' as it'll be out there for everyone to see and if he takes his chance he gets credit for bringing him back into the fold.

He wasn't fit enough to start a game at this level and shouldn't have really. He'd have been a very useful sub if we were chasing the game in the 2nd half and needed an extra body in the box, which we were, but he was out on his feet ready to come off instead of being fresh ready to come on.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: MmmBlueRamirez on October 02, 2017, 09:12:36 PM
A part of me thinks Koeman knew Niasse wasn't good enough but decided to throw him under a bus yesterday in a no lose situation. If he bombs he doesn't need to say 'I told you so' as it'll be out there for everyone to see and if he takes his chance he gets credit for bringing him back into the fold.

He wasn't fit enough to start a game at this level and shouldn't have really. He'd have been a very useful sub if we were chasing the game in the 2nd half and needed an extra body in the box, which we were, but he was out on his feet ready to come off instead of being fresh ready to come on.

Hopefully it shuts up a few armchair 'pro' footy coaches/managers.

Probably not.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: BlueForYou on October 02, 2017, 09:16:02 PM
On the flip side, Koeman's in a no win situation -

Bangs in a few goals - "Why didn't you play him earlier?"

Looks out of depth - "You knew he wasn't good enough"

Hang in there, Ron!





Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 02, 2017, 09:59:21 PM
As part of a team photo maybe.

At a strike force pairing they'd be the use-case go-to example of a clueless partnership.  the first 20 mins hey where good, it wasnt until Burnley scored that our midfield fell/attack stopped creating chances

It was abysmal. yes it was,  but who else do we have? would you rather play Sandro and Rooney?

The complete polar opposite to 'SAS' or other brilliant partnerships. lol, yea compare their first time together against a lethal strikeforce like that, no where near brilliant, but as i said better than Rooney and sandro

It was a botched experiment.the most shots on target we've had in a match. the most shots over all in a match we have had, the defense had 2 willing runners, first time this season that we had out balls and didnt invite pressure upon pressure


yes Niasse is shit, but still better than whatever else we have atm.

id like to see them with a different manager, different style of play.. with 2 actual wingers.. not 4 number tens making everything narrow as fuck.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 02, 2017, 10:04:01 PM
Hopefully it shuts up a few armchair 'pro' footy coaches/managers.

Probably not.

Also gives ammunition to other armchair 'pro' footy coaches/managers who said he wasnt good enough.

probably not.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: sam of the south on October 02, 2017, 10:58:18 PM
A part of me thinks Koeman knew Niasse wasn't good enough but decided to throw him under a bus yesterday in a no lose situation. If he bombs he doesn't need to say 'I told you so' as it'll be out there for everyone to see and if he takes his chance he gets credit for bringing him back into the fold.

He wasn't fit enough to start a game at this level and shouldn't have really. He'd have been a very useful sub if we were chasing the game in the 2nd half and needed an extra body in the box, which we were, but he was out on his feet ready to come off instead of being fresh ready to come on.

Yep, I said exactly this in the match thread
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on October 02, 2017, 11:45:26 PM
I agree. Second half in particular they stood yards apart with no difference in depth. We needed one to sometimes come shorter, more runs into the channels and one of them to look to go in behind. Instead we had to see Baines standing on the ball with no left winger, no movement from either forward and going back to Williams followed by groans from the crowd.

Niasse showed why he hasnt been involved, touch not good enough, strange footballing brain and lost the ball very poorly time after time. Cant fault the effort or will to be involved but the reality is what we knew already from his first spell and watching him at Hull, he isnt good enough and its only because it is desperate times in that department that he is involved.

You have to say if you're a young striker or right back or left back or centre mid or winger at Everton at the minute, and you're not getting a sniff - make alternative plans for your employment immediately.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 03, 2017, 01:25:24 AM
Odd arguing over Niasse we all know we shouldn't really need him, but he came through for us big time last week and to be calling him shite now is fuckin ace, we have had to use him because of shite management and the buying of totally underwhelming players..
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 03, 2017, 04:40:41 AM
Odd arguing over Niasse we all know we shouldn't really need him, but he came through for us big time last week and to be calling him shite now is fuckin ace, we have had to use him because of shite management and the buying of totally underwhelming players..

If and when he scores again, those same fans will think he's ace.

I know he;s a decent finisher, just lacks at everything else, use him for finishing, why was he chasing back half the time.
Should just stay on the shoulder of hte last defender.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on October 03, 2017, 05:52:59 AM
bring him on in the last 5 mins when we're all over someone and desperate for a goal sure, but he shouldn't really be getting actual minutes.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: Ramjam on October 03, 2017, 06:58:33 AM
Odd arguing over Niasse we all know we shouldn't really need him, but he came through for us big time last week and to be calling him shite now is fuckin ace, we have had to use him because of shite management and the buying of totally underwhelming players..

Post of the week for me, hero one week, villain the next, the guy can't win.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: montanatoffeefan on October 17, 2017, 04:45:48 AM
Don't get me wrong he's nowhere near good enough for a club with aspirations of the top 6 but at the moment we aren't so you have to cut your cloth accordingly.

Putting Niasse on the pitch is the football equivalent of cutting your cloth into a nappy.
Title: Re: [News]Koeman backtracks on Niasse
Post by: brap2 on October 17, 2017, 06:08:16 AM
He's really bad.

Maybe if we have loads of the ball and we just need someone who has a knack of finishing a chance but Jesus Christ the very idea he should play shows how desperate we are.