Post by: Jimmywhack on September 29, 2017, 04:23:12 PM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Anyone at all bar Williams Baines
Schneiderlin
Siggurdson Gueye
Rooney Vlasic
DCL
Horrific one all draw with us equalising late on, probably though Niasse after one of their centre halves scores off a corner early on
Post by: TheRam on September 29, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
Post by: themilkycoffees on September 29, 2017, 04:47:22 PM
Gonna be a horrible atmosphere.
Big part of the problem IMO. I know it's easy to get frustrated because of the way we're playing but must be horrible playing at Goodison (if you're an Everton player).
Post by: Lazarou on September 29, 2017, 04:50:58 PM
Big part of the problem IMO. I know it's easy to get frustrated because of the way we're playing but must be horrible playing at Goodison (if you're an Everton player).Vicious circle shit performances make shit atmosphere's. Up to the manager & players to change it. Never been any different at the old lady.
Post by: MmmblueBernard on September 29, 2017, 04:55:21 PM
Post by: BlueForYou on September 29, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
1) Pickford (dead cert)
2) Kenny (deserves to start)
3) Baines (no other option)
4) Holgate (persevere)
5) Feeney (if you're good enough, you're old enough - assuming, Keane injured/+ Jags, past it/& Williams, drop him)
6) Davies (needs to start/energy)
7) Sigurdsson (playmaker/set pieces)
8) Vlasic (deserves to start/left footer)
9) Niasse (scoring goals/in form)
10) Rooney (scoring goals/captain)
11) DCL (scoring goals/in form-despite header!)
Bench: Stek; Martina; Schneiderlin; Gueye; Klaassen; Lookman; Sandro
Post by: TheTone on September 29, 2017, 04:59:54 PM
Rooney can do one too for a while
Don't know what people see in Kenny
Pickford
Martina Holgate Williams Baines
Mirallas Gueye Davies Vlasic
Siggy
DCL
Vlasic has to start
I put Mirallas in but really just put a winger out there you fat dutch cunt, so wouldn't be adverse to have Lookman or Lennon on the right either
How long are Keane and Jagielka out for?
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 29, 2017, 05:09:15 PM
5) Feeney (if you're good enough, you're old enough - assuming, Keane injured/+ Jags, past it/& Williams, drop him)
Don't think throwing an inexperienced youth into this mess of a team is a good idea tbh, despite Williams being a joke.
Post by: Hawkandro on September 29, 2017, 05:12:46 PM
Kenny Holgate Williams (If Keane or Jags ain't fit) Baines
Gueye Davies
Vlasic Sigurdsson Lookman
Rooney/DCL
Would be mine.
Post by: mikey_blue on September 29, 2017, 05:14:35 PM
Gonna be a horrible atmosphere.
Most commentators and pundits picking up on how quiet it is at Goodison these days.
Post by: Bingham Boy on September 29, 2017, 05:20:25 PM
Vicious circle shit performances make shit atmosphere's. Up to the manager & players to change it. Never been any different at the old lady.
We can't be making an effort ourselves now can we! It has been different at Goodison. Everton are "we", players, fans. If we think we may be able to help then we should try, not just sit there thinking we're the King with his jester.
I know all this about they get paid loads, but we play against teams who also get paid loads, so that's cancelled out. Plus we know this before we go the match. We hurt just the same when we lose as I'm sure fans did in the 19th Century when the players were on their wages then.
I didn't mean that to be turned into a rant sorry.
Post by: themilkycoffees on September 29, 2017, 05:23:24 PM
Vicious circle shit performances make shit atmosphere's. Up to the manager & players to change it. Never been any different at the old lady.
The frustration is understandable but people start moaning as soon as there's a misplaced pass. Hardly great support is it.
Post by: Macca77 on September 29, 2017, 05:29:14 PM
Post by: Lazarou on September 29, 2017, 05:36:45 PM
We can't be making an effort ourselves now can we! It has been different at Goodison. Everton are "we", players, fans. If we think we may be able to help then we should try, not just sit there thinking we're the King with his jester.You are right of course that's how it should be, but unfortunately it is never like that at Goodison. A bad referee can actually be a good thing for us so we have someone to vent our seemingly in built anger on.
I know all this about they get paid loads, but we play against teams who also get paid loads, so that's cancelled out. Plus we know this before we go the match. We hurt just the same when we lose as I'm sure fans did in the 19th Century when the players were on their wages then.
I didn't mean that to be turned into a rant sorry.
Goodison under the floodlights when we are battling a team and the officials is a special thing, but we just can't seem to do the support no matter what thing.
Blue cynics.
Post by: The Analog Kid on September 29, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Post by: dazfrancis on September 29, 2017, 05:57:00 PM
Kenny Holgate Not Williams Baines
Davies a DM
A winger Another Winger or Niasse if he can play as a wide forward
One of our five number 10's
DCL
Post by: dazfrancis on September 29, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
Kenny Holgate Williams Baines
Schneiderlin
Davies Gueye
Rooney Niasse
DCL
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 29, 2017, 06:17:40 PM
If Koeman doesn't start with any pace up top again, he needs kicking in the face.Who though? Calls for Lookman are naive as he’s looked well out of his depth. Mirallas isn’t quick anymore and looks disinterested. Sandro nowhere near up to speed. It’s not like Koeman is ignoring world class pacey wingers, is it? DCL and Vlasic are the only two that should be in with a shout if starting (and they will) but they’re kids. The above says more about the clubs recruitment than Koeman.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 29, 2017, 06:27:25 PM
The frustration is understandable but people start moaning as soon as there's a misplaced pass. Hardly great support is it.
thats d own to the manager for not having any outlets, just 5 players in the middle of midfield, with no where to go, Im sure if we had some players who would run at players, the atmosphere would be positive.
We can not play Gana-Gueye with Schneiderlin anymore..
Its either attack the opposition (dont be scared of Burnely) or just pass it around aimlessly waiting for us to make a mistake, the more the balls in the oppositions half, the less mistakes are back line will make.
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Anyone but Williams Baines
Lookman/ Gana Davies/ VLasic
Mirallas Siggy
DCL NIASSE
2 strikers, 2 wingers, 1 DM 1 attacking CM, simples. give us some balance.
Post by: themilkycoffees on September 29, 2017, 06:37:03 PM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams (If Keane or Jags ain't fit) Baines
Gueye Davies
Vlasic Sigurdsson Lookman
Rooney/DCL
Would be mine.
Big fan of this team. Personally, I'd start with DCL.
Post by: Fynci on September 29, 2017, 06:44:44 PM
Most commentators and pundits picking up on how quiet it is at Goodison these days.
Most commentators are also saying that Everton have a specialist now as soon as we get a free kick or a corner.... followed by a very average free kick or corner.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 29, 2017, 06:45:25 PM
Big fan of this team. Personally, I'd start with DCL.
the problem with that team is, when we lose the ball,. our 3 behind the striker are in the wrong positions to cover attacking fullbacks, leaving the other team lots of space.. our players have to come from inside to out, rather than being setup from out, coming to inside.. still no balance with that team. we cant have 3 players behind the striker, If Vlasic and Lookman start out wide, then its fine, they will be in the right places so the oppositions full backs will find it harder to get up the pitch, if they start inside, by the time lookman and Vlasic get to the fullbacks, they will be alot further down the pitch,
the 3 behind the striker invites to much pressure/free space to attack.
Post by: mikey_blue on September 29, 2017, 06:46:09 PM
Most commentators are also saying that Everton have a specialist now as soon as we get a free kick or a corner.... followed by a very average free kick or corner.
At least it's clearing the first man!
Post by: Shogun on September 29, 2017, 07:23:02 PM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Jagielka Baines
Gana Schneiderlin
Davies
Vlasic DCL Sigurdsson
Kenny Holgate Jagielka Baines
Gana Schneiderlin
Davies
Vlasic DCL Sigurdsson
Post by: everton1952 on September 29, 2017, 07:25:32 PM
Post by: Cereal Killer on September 29, 2017, 07:28:55 PM
Kenny Holgate Keane Baines
Lennon Gueye Davies Vlasic
Sigurdsson
DCL
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 29, 2017, 07:30:47 PM
Post by: Waltzer on September 29, 2017, 08:04:05 PM
Jags Keane Baines
Gueye Schneiderlin
Lennon Davies Sigurdsson
DCL Sandro
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 29, 2017, 08:05:27 PM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate (Jags) Baines
Davies Gana Sigurdsson Vlasic
DCL Sandro/Niasse
Post by: themilkycoffees on September 29, 2017, 08:22:26 PM
the problem with that team is, when we lose the ball,. our 3 behind the striker are in the wrong positions to cover attacking fullbacks, leaving the other team lots of space.. our players have to come from inside to out, rather than being setup from out, coming to inside.. still no balance with that team. we cant have 3 players behind the striker, If Vlasic and Lookman start out wide, then its fine, they will be in the right places so the oppositions full backs will find it harder to get up the pitch, if they start inside, by the time lookman and Vlasic get to the fullbacks, they will be alot further down the pitch,
the 3 behind the striker invites to much pressure/free space to attack.
I have literally no idea what you're talking about with regards to players coming from inside to out. The team above has much more balance than we've seen previously and players are actually playing in the correct positions. From what I've seen so far, Vlasic is quite industrious and provides decent cover for his full back. Not as sure on Lookman in that respect, but he's a threat and we're playing Burnley at home FFS. 4-2-3-1 can work going forward with the right players, and it can become a 4-4-1-1 when we're defending, as the wingers can drop in to a 4.
Post by: Lxxx on September 29, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
This won't be an easy game at all.
Post by: themilkycoffees on September 29, 2017, 08:41:29 PM
Post by: Robioto on September 29, 2017, 08:44:27 PM
They live in the middle of nowhere with no phone signal and guests are not allowed on the WiFi as they live in a boarding school.
As far as I'm concerned this is the best way to enjoy watching Everton at the moment.
No contact.
Post by: Macca77 on September 29, 2017, 08:48:06 PM
Any takers?
Post by: gizzblue on September 29, 2017, 09:12:15 PM
I'll bet anyone 20p that Niasse won't start the gameNobody giving you that 😅😅it's nailed on koemans ego comes first .. ..humble pie diet he's been On recently doesn't agree with him .
Any takers?
Post by: Lxxx on September 29, 2017, 09:39:06 PM
I'll bet anyone 20p that Niasse won't start the game
Any takers?
Nor should he really, we have better options at present. He's a decent option off the bench for now but it's width we badly need more than putting him in up top and heaping a whole load of pressure on the lad.
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on September 29, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
Dyche will have these set up nice and compact, two banks of 4 across the pitch and then play on the break. It's what I would expect a manager to do with limited resources to try and get a result, a plan which has worked so far against Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool away from home so far this season.We’ve been awful at breaking down teams that park on their 18 yard box, for years. This will be an awful watch, even if we do get a result.
This won't be an easy game at all.
Post by: everton1952 on September 29, 2017, 10:12:34 PM
Post by: Juanito on September 29, 2017, 10:23:09 PM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Keane Baines
Gana Schiederlin
Vlasic Sigurdsson
DCL Niasse
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 29, 2017, 10:53:43 PM
We’ve been awful at breaking down teams that park on their 18 yard box, for years. This will be an awful watch, even if we do get a result.
I suggest y'all drink up. Early for me, so it will be pills lest someone think I'm an alkie!
Post by: sam of the south on September 29, 2017, 11:00:14 PM
I suggest y'all drink up. Early for me, so it will be pills lest someone think I'm an alkie!
Pils or pills? 🤔
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 29, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
I'll bet anyone 20p that Niasse won't start the game
Any takers?
We'll have atleast 2 number 10s a fake 9. no width.. be losing.. then he will bring on a winger DCL and Niasse.
Wish that doesnt paper over the cracks.
Post by: Thornton_19 on September 30, 2017, 12:57:20 AM
Pickford
Kenny Keane Holgate Baines
Klaasen Gueye Davies
Rooney
DLC Niasse
Play players where they fucking excell. Klaasen played CM in Ajax give him a chance there rather than up the strikers pipe. Davies to drive us forward and give us a bit of pace.
Drop Schneiderlin and Sigurrdson as they just haven't been on it.
Post by: Thornton_19 on September 30, 2017, 12:59:18 AM
We will play 4 3 3 so with that we need to be as attacking as possibleIn fact fuck Rooney off too and play Vlasic DCL and Niasse up top.
Pickford
Kenny Keane Holgate Baines
Klaasen Gueye Davies
Rooney
DLC Niasse
Play players where they fucking excell. Klaasen played CM in Ajax give him a chance there rather than up the strikers pipe. Davies to drive us forward and give us a bit of pace.
Drop Schneiderlin and Sigurrdson as they just haven't been on it.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 30, 2017, 01:14:55 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 30, 2017, 01:17:10 AM
In fact fuck Rooney off too and play Vlasic DCL and Niasse up top.You know it makes sense but will it happen..
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 01:27:03 AM
Here's what we'll see against Burnley👇
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 01:51:22 AM
They're a shite team, playing well. We're a good team (I think), playing shite.
We're a good squad, but have no shape, have no identity of style of play, we start off with lots of defensive players, thus Koeman is setting his stall out to be shit scared instead of attacking the opposition at HOME.
no wonder Goodison is quiet. setting up to defend against teams we should be attacking.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 01:53:47 AM
We should go with a formation with width.
Here's what we'll see against Burnley👇
7 Asian boys and 1 girl? LOL
they'd give Burnley abetter game than us.
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 02:30:13 AM
7 Asian boys and 1 girl? LOL
they'd give Burnley abetter game than us.
😂
Post by: blob on September 30, 2017, 06:14:27 AM
Post by: sam of the south on September 30, 2017, 05:08:32 PM
cheer up lads. we'll batter these :)
I would love to believe this, but if he continues with the narrow, congested, and ponderous stuff the most we can hope for is a scrappy 1-0.
Post by: Bluedylan on September 30, 2017, 05:11:19 PM
Think we'll get beat.
Post by: blargins on September 30, 2017, 06:14:19 PM
7 Asian boys and 1 girl? LOL
they'd give Burnley abetter game than us.
You want this thread:
https://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=94674.0
I'm thankfully going to miss this game. Helping the brother in law with moving instead.
Post by: ally2 on September 30, 2017, 08:06:05 PM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Baines
Klassen Schneiderlein Davies
Sigurdsson
Rooney DCL
Really don't feel width will be important here. Guile moreso. If Rooney starts dropping deep then haul him off immediately and replace with Sandro. If things get desperate then give Mirallas the stage (assuming he's not still behaving like a tit).
Post by: brap2 on September 30, 2017, 08:25:20 PM
Much better to keep the ball moving back and forth across the box, one twos and quick Klaassen-like passing to try and drag players out of position.
If you are going to pass into the box it should be low, driven passes or deeper incisive through balls, so the style we play might be fine, that said I think they'll just be too organised well drilled for our lot. Nil nil not a bad bet.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 30, 2017, 08:27:39 PM
Post by: kramer0 on September 30, 2017, 08:32:41 PM
GK: Pickford
RB: Kenny
CB: Holgate
CB: Williams
LB: Baines
DM: Schneiderlin/Gana
CM: Sigurdsson
CM: Klaassen/Davies
RAM: Lookman/Sandro/Mirallas
CF: Calvert-Lewin/Rooney
LAM: Vlasic
What I expect:
GK: Pickford
RB: Martina
CB: Holgate
CB: Williams
LB: Baines
DM: Schneiderlin
DM: Gana
RAM: Sandro/Vlasic/Calvert-Lewin
CAM: Klaassen
LAM: Sigurdsson
CF: Rooney
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on September 30, 2017, 08:38:25 PM
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
The one good thing about being so piss poor against FC Flip Flop the other night is the only way is up...
We've thought that a few times already this season
Post by: gizzblue on September 30, 2017, 09:12:34 PM
Martina Williams Keane
Baines
Roooney Rooney Rooney
Guaye Morgs
Rooney Rooney Rooney
Sandro Sigurdson Rooney
Rooney Rooney Rooney
DCL.
This is our actual positions line up ....guess who needs positional awareness.
Post by: kramer0 on September 30, 2017, 09:33:54 PM
Pickford
Martina Williams Keane
Baines
Roooney Rooney Rooney
Guaye Morgs
Rooney Rooney Rooney
Sandro Sigurdson Rooney
Rooney Rooney Rooney
DCL.
This is our actual positions line up ....guess who needs positional awareness.
Honestly? Martina.
No way he stays at right back like you have there.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 30, 2017, 09:38:42 PM
Honestly? Martina.
No way he stays at right back like you have there.
Rooney can cover RB too, then!
Dunno why some people want Kenny out of the lineup, must be a new footy hipster thing.
Post by: TSGun on September 30, 2017, 10:08:57 PM
Post by: Mac934 on September 30, 2017, 10:20:58 PM
Rooney Keane Jagielka Rooney
Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney
Rooney Rooney
Post by: Everton Mint on September 30, 2017, 10:24:45 PM
Team was:
Robles;
Holgate, Williams, Jags, Baines;
Gueye, Schneid, Davies;
Barkley, Lukaku, Mirallas
We won 3-1 and set a new Everton record of 8 consecutive PL home wins.
Where did it all go wrong ?!
Post by: Evertonian in NC on September 30, 2017, 10:27:03 PM
Just looking back at the last game vs Burnley in April ...
Team was:
Robles;
Holgate, Williams, Jags, Baines;
Gueye, Schneid, Davies;
Barkley, Lukaku, Mirallas
We won 3-1 and set a new Everton record of 8 consecutive PL home wins.
Where did it all go wrong ?!
Turns out losing your entire attack (Lukaku, Barkley) was indeed a big fucking deal, after all.
Post by: Eddiesheeds on September 30, 2017, 10:35:50 PM
A slight digression but when does the UK put the clocks back for daylight savings? (just so I can figure out tomorrows local starting time)2am on the last Sunday in October
Post by: Everton Mint on September 30, 2017, 11:01:07 PM
Post by: Juanito on October 01, 2017, 12:27:35 AM
Just looking back at the last game vs Burnley in April ...
Team was:
Robles;
Holgate, Williams, Jags, Baines;
Gueye, Schneid, Davies;
Barkley, Lukaku, Mirallas
We won 3-1 and set a new Everton record of 8 consecutive PL home wins.
Where did it all go wrong ?!
Some people didn't rate Lukaku. Having an elite striker with an outstanding conversion rate masked our limitations.
Post by: DIXIEDEAN on October 01, 2017, 12:40:26 AM
Post by: Bluebridge on October 01, 2017, 12:44:17 AM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams (needs must) Baines
Mirallas Gueye Davies Vlasic
Sigurdsson
DCL
Post by: gizzblue on October 01, 2017, 12:50:30 AM
Honestly? Martina.Yeah Koemams ego won't allow kenny much game time over Martina.
No way he stays at right back like you have there.
Post by: Brownie on October 01, 2017, 02:02:16 AM
Apparently a win tomorrow v Burnley could take us up to 8th. Almost back to our probable finishing place...
And four points off Spurs
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 01, 2017, 02:52:37 AM
And four points off Spurs
Yet lightyears behind
Post by: Brownie on October 01, 2017, 03:18:28 AM
Yet lightyears behind
Yeah but I'm a glass half full type of guy.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 05:21:12 AM
Post by: bluenuck on October 01, 2017, 06:18:20 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/sep/30/ronald-koeman-everton-burnley
Sad thing is is we will let them walk into Goodison and actually give us a good game... When we should be dominating them for the get go.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 07:07:22 AM
Kenny Holgate Williams Baines
Davies Gana Sigurdsson
Lookman DCL Vlasic
Stekelenburg, Besic, Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Rooney, Sandro, Niasse
Post by: Buck76 on October 01, 2017, 07:43:39 AM
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Baines
Davies Gana Sigurdsson
Lookman DCL Vlasic
Stekelenburg, Besic, Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Rooney, Sandro, Niasse
We need to get back to basics, we've not got the players for 433.... we have gone so far back in our play it's shockingly embarrassing.... & the Inept Tactics/team selection by Keoman is criminal, We start so shite cause there's no belief in the team & they're right..... it's like he wants to get sacked & blame Walsh for not getting a Striker.....
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Baines
Vlasic Davies Gana Sigurdsson
DCL Niasse
Stekelenburg, Besic, Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Rooney, Sandro, lookman
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 11:08:15 AM
Post by: dekko on October 01, 2017, 01:28:04 PM
How about getting some speed in Team and start 2 proper wingers? and DCL upfront? That would solve our slowness problems. If it doesn’t work, get Niasse in the box to add strength.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 02:17:50 PM
We need to get back to basics, we've not got the players for 433.... we have gone so far back in our play it's shockingly embarrassing.... & the Inept Tactics/team selection by Keoman is criminal, We start so shite cause there's no belief in the team & they're right..... it's like he wants to get sacked & blame Walsh for not getting a Striker.....
Pickford
Kenny Holgate Williams Baines
Vlasic Davies Gana Sigurdsson
DCL Niasse
Stekelenburg, Besic, Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Rooney, Sandro, lookman
So all you would do is change Lookman for Niasse?
4-3-3, 4-4-2 can both become each other, and a few other combinations throughout a match.
Post by: Rodenplav64 on October 01, 2017, 03:28:05 PM
So all you would do is change Lookman for Niasse?
4-3-3, 4-4-2 can both become each other, and a few other combinations throughout a match.
Once the whistle goes it will be the usual everyman for himself formation . Mind you even a scrappy 1-0 will lift us into the top half and allow us all to get behind the Manager over the international break . A loss however ......................
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 03:43:40 PM
Post by: Sir Stealth on October 01, 2017, 03:44:34 PM
I think Vlasic has earned a start after his performance in europe and would be reassuring to see him start so at least the fans can be assured that Koeman is noticing some of the things that has been going wrong with team selection recently
I think Niasse will be on the bench, if we do start the way we usually do i.e. Shite first half I really hope he does call on him to come on and make an impact
If he does start without Vlasic but does start the full trio of Rooney, Klaassen and Sigurdsson then I fear he may not be learning anything
Post by: Buck76 on October 01, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
So all you would do is change Lookman for Niasse?
4-3-3, 4-4-2 can both become each other, and a few other combinations throughout a match.
Just need to lose this notion we can play a formation we clearly don't have the players for, we are far too narrow, pedestrian & toothless to be kidding ourselves with a 433.... our team spirit has been basically distroyed and the management of the squad at every level has been totally inept.
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 04:12:38 PM
A solid win here would make all the hysterical doom and gloom merchants on here over the last few days look a bit silly.
Or we might get battered and I'll become one of them.
Post by: Simon Paul on October 01, 2017, 04:14:18 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 04:21:20 PM
Not sure why, but I'm feeling confident about this one.
A solid win here would make all the hysterical doom and gloom merchants on here over the last few days look a bit silly.
Or we might get battered and I'll become one of them.
Don't think there's been much hysteria tbh. Just people who can see where this train is headed.
Post by: DannyR on October 01, 2017, 04:21:38 PM
Expecting a draw or to lose.
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 04:34:26 PM
Yes it's been shite to watch but there is still time for him to realise the errors he keeps making and rectify them. I think he's on a game by game judgement at the minute by the fans, up to him how much he's arsed about staying really.
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 04:59:21 PM
Don't think there's been much hysteria tbh.
From the last 24 hours on this thread and one other I could be bothered to look into below.
Oh i can't fuckin stand the strain.
our team spirit has been basically distroyed and the management of the squad at every level has been totally inept.
Yeah Koemams ego won't allow kenny much game time over Martina.
Moyes was world class
i only say Unsworth as he will bring some passion to our team and he his team actually play some football. he isnt too arrogant to make changes.
Koeman actually seems like he is waiting for his next job ;/
Problem is a lot of us havnt seen such piss poor performances in over thirty odd years.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 05:05:30 PM
From the last 24 hours on this thread and one other I could be bothered to look into below.
Ok maybe a little hysteria, but there's also lots of calmer, more considered posters who broadly agree with the sentiment that he needs to go based upon evidence and reason.
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
Let's not pretend this is going to be a push over, they're technically poor but a very well drilled side
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 05:18:06 PM
Ok maybe a little hysteria, but there's also lots of calmer, more considered posters who broadly agree with the sentiment that he needs to go based upon evidence and reason.
Yeah for sure. I wouldn't even be upset if we got rid of him as I've never massively rated him, so I'm not particularly confident he'll ever turn out to be a massive success for us.
But, that aside, I think he did pretty well last season and there's enough mitigating circumstances (mostly injuries, a brand new squad to integrate, and a challenging fixture schedule) that it feels premature to say he should be fired now based on the season so far.
Ultimately for me it comes down to what the alternative is. Just getting rid without a sensible replacement lined up would be foolish in my opinion.
Post by: Shropshire Blue on October 01, 2017, 05:22:02 PM
We can't be making an effort ourselves now can we! It has been different at Goodison. Everton are "we", players, fans. If we think we may be able to help then we should try, not just sit there thinking we're the King with his jester.You're right it hasn't always been like this. Sadly I think it's partly down to a modern culture of believing we have a right that everything should be done for us and done instantly.
I know all this about they get paid loads, but we play against teams who also get paid loads, so that's cancelled out. Plus we know this before we go the match. We hurt just the same when we lose as I'm sure fans did in the 19th Century when the players were on their wages then.
I didn't mean that to be turned into a rant sorry.
It's not just Everton though, it's there throughout football.
Hypocrisy by fans everywhere is both an annoyance and an endless source of amusement.
We need to spend the money. Well, so long as it isn't mine.
Sky is ruining football, I know I watch Sky every day.
The media is crap, I know that as well because I buy it.
You can't believe a f***ing thing you read in the papers. Koeman should be sacked , The Daily Mail said Messi liked Merseyside and we didn't pick up on it.
TV pundit says we need a centre forward. Never says a good word about us the bellend.
There's a whole new thread in here somewhere.
Back on topic (other) people need to make a noise and create atmosphere.
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 05:24:31 PM
Yeah for sure. I wouldn't even be upset if we got rid of him as I've never massively rated him, so I'm not particularly confident he'll ever turn out to be a massive success for us.
But, that aside, I think he did pretty well last season and there's enough mitigating circumstances (mostly injuries, a brand new squad to integrate, and a challenging fixture schedule) that it feels premature to say he should be fired now based on the season so far.
Ultimately for me it comes down to what the alternative is. Just getting rid without a sensible replacement lined up would be foolish in my opinion.
It's probably understandable we did well in his first season, everyone knows what Koeman did as a player and no doubt they would've been desperate to impress him.
Over time as he's put his stamp onto the team and moulded it into his side we've become unbalanced, slow & shit
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 05:26:04 PM
guess the comments i made about having a laugh/joke where missed and where seen as hysteria.. (even tho ive based it on the team and how we are.. but yeah pick on the guys who you assume have a psychological disorder... cant even have jokes with out someone claiming they dont care, caring.) going to give my first tool :D
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 05:27:07 PM
in other threads i've said koeman needs time, and wish he changes as i want him to succeed,
guess the comments i made about having a laugh/joke where missed and where seen as hysteria.. (even tho ive based it on the team and how we are.. but yeah pick on the guys who you assume have a psychological disorder... cant even have jokes with out someone claiming they dont care, caring.) going to give my first tool :D
Don't do it
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 05:28:42 PM
Not sure why, but I'm feeling confident about this one.
A solid win here would make all the hysterical doom and gloom merchants on here over the last few days look a bit silly.
Or we might get battered and I'll become one of them.
now that is hysterical, have you seen us play this season? what makes you think for this one match, Koeman will change his whole ethos?
fuck it.
4-0 double for Niasse and DCL.
COYB
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Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 05:38:21 PM
in other threads i've said koeman needs time, and wish he changes as i want him to succeed,
guess the comments i made about having a laugh/joke where missed and where seen as hysteria.. (even tho ive based it on the team and how we are.. but yeah pick on the guys who you assume have a psychological disorder... cant even have jokes with out someone claiming they dont care, caring.) going to give my first tool :D
Maybe if you got rid of the massive horrible signature, your posts wouldn't stick out as much :)
To be fair, I did take your quote on Moyes a bit out of context. But you have seriously suggested Unsworth as manager.
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 05:38:59 PM
So far this season Burnley have beat Chelsea away and drew at Spurs and Liverpool.
Let's not pretend this is going to be a push over, they're technically poor but a very well drilled side
Let's not hand out the excuses before hand though.
Yeah so far they've done well against the better teams but they've also struggled against others. By far and away their best result was against Chelsea but they were hangling on against 9 men in the end to get a freak win, let's not paint them as something to be feared.
Failing to win today would be very poor. Immunity was meant to have stopped at the Utd game, it can't keep on.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 05:42:45 PM
Maybe if you got rid of the massive horrible signature, your posts wouldn't stick out as much :)
To be fair, I did take your quote on Moyes a bit out of context. But you have seriously suggested Unsworth as manager.
I'll take it out. why is the sig horrible? its the evolution of our club badge..
Yes i have suggested Unsworth, but not seriously ive said it on a post, it causes fume which provide laughs,
I mention Unsworth as his under 23 team has the opposite ethos of our first team.. I'd want a decent manager, someone who is going to take us up some levels, not only in his name. but his tactics.
Post by: TheRam on October 01, 2017, 05:58:50 PM
Post by: gizzblue on October 01, 2017, 06:07:51 PM
COYB we should smash these off the park .
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 06:19:46 PM
I'll take it out. why is the sig horrible? its the evolution of our club badge..
It's just massive and annoying to scroll past every single time I read one of your posts.
My personal opinion though, no big deal. Thanks for getting rid though.
Post by: blob on October 01, 2017, 06:22:58 PM
It's just massive and annoying to scroll past every single time I read one of your posts.
My personal opinion though, no big deal. Thanks for getting rid though.
i don't see any sigs. easy to bin them all on setup :)
[click on your own name - top right - then change 'forum profile']
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 01, 2017, 06:39:44 PM
I'm gonna look at the team news and if we play 4-3-3 again with Schneids, gana and klaassen in midfield and sigs, Rooney and Sandro up front I'm not watching it and we will lose.
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 06:50:02 PM
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 07:00:12 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 07:01:54 PM
https://twitter.com/FourthOfficial_/status/913460268180615169
If that is the team he's learnt nothing so far this season and we're in for a long afternoon.
ETA: Just clocked the date.
ETAII: It'll still probably be correct.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 01, 2017, 07:01:57 PM
https://twitter.com/FourthOfficial_/status/913460268180615169Done a Todd there pal
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 07:02:44 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
https://twitter.com/FourthOfficial_/status/913460268180615169
Great
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 07:03:56 PM
Thursdays team that Macca you dozy twat
Oh phew, Full Re-Todd.
I bet it is the same side, though.
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 07:05:29 PM
Post by: Mac934 on October 01, 2017, 07:05:50 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 07:10:02 PM
No width, no pace, no surprises, no fucking idea! If that's the confirmed team. If not I will take that back.
Do you even read?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 07:12:23 PM
Post by: Mac934 on October 01, 2017, 07:13:09 PM
Do you even read?Yes I do. I wrote and posted before I saw the reply. My apologies to you, I'm sorry, ok?
Post by: Mac934 on October 01, 2017, 07:14:56 PM
Do you even read?Any comments to the others that posted replies eh?
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 01, 2017, 07:17:35 PM
I’m out.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 01, 2017, 07:17:39 PM
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 01, 2017, 07:18:18 PM
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 07:18:22 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 07:19:18 PM
4-4-2 Finally
Don't tease me like that.
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 01, 2017, 07:21:09 PM
Maryina
Baines
Keane
Williams
Gueye
Schneiderlin
Vlasic
Sigurdsson
DCL
Niasse
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 07:21:33 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 07:21:48 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 07:22:02 PM
4-4-2 Finally
Nah, you don't spend £45m on Sig to play him wide left. He'll play in the No 10 role, DCL out right and Vlasic left.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 07:22:23 PM
Just noticed he's not starting.
Post by: Mac934 on October 01, 2017, 07:22:35 PM
Not even kicked off and people are losing the plot or losing it with each other.Ha ha, I'm not losing the plot, just asked the question as to why I was the one who got the sarky comment and not others who posted after reading the link. I've no problems with anyone on here.
I'm out.
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 07:23:01 PM
PickfordIt's not great but at least Rooney is out leaving sig to try and run things
Maryina
Baines
Keane
Williams
Gueye
Schneiderlin
Vlasic
Sigurdsson
DCL
Niasse
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 07:23:35 PM
Post by: Jimmywhack on October 01, 2017, 07:23:41 PM
It's not a 4-4-2 at all. Rooney will be taking the ball off the keeper as usual.He will do well from the bench like
Post by: Ravardo on October 01, 2017, 07:23:50 PM
It's not a 4-4-2 at all. Rooney will be taking the ball off the keeper as usual.
Hopefully after he comes on and scores
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 07:24:20 PM
It's not a 4-4-2 at all. Rooney will be taking the ball off the keeper as usual.
Just noticed he's not starting.
If/when he comes on.
Post by: Shogun on October 01, 2017, 07:24:45 PM
Post by: Silas on October 01, 2017, 07:30:47 PM
Post by: Shogun on October 01, 2017, 07:32:48 PM
How a player can make countless mistakes and still be selected I don't know.
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 07:36:32 PM
Really hope we play well and Koeman sees what it can produce.
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 07:36:32 PM
But Martina in a back four? Is there anyone left besides Koeman who thinks that's a good idea?
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 07:38:40 PM
He's trying something different so credit for that.
But Martina in a back four? Is there anyone left besides Koeman who thinks that's a good idea?
Ashley Williams maybe? Makes him look less incompetent.
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 07:38:44 PM
Post by: Dreggs on October 01, 2017, 07:38:45 PM
now let's go for it !!!
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 07:40:16 PM
Post by: TheRam on October 01, 2017, 07:40:56 PM
DCL and Niasse up top will get the crowd going from the start.
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 07:41:02 PM
I hope Sigurdsson is more central.
I'm not expecting it given our form but if we can finish the day on 10 pts the table starts to look a whole lot better.
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 07:41:37 PM
Ashley Williams can fuck off tbh.
How a player can make countless mistakes and still be selected I don't know.
Lack of options?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 07:41:57 PM
Ashley Williams maybe? Makes him look less incompetent.
It's clear Koeman put the goal last Saturday 100% on Holgate, and gave no credit to how thin he was spread covering for Martina and Williams.
I guess he just kept his eyes closed on Thursday.
Post by: Dreggs on October 01, 2017, 07:42:00 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 07:42:27 PM
Relatively happy with that.
DCL and Niasse up top will get the crowd going from the start.
I can see DCL playing from the right and Vlasic from the left. Sig in the No 10 role with no-one stood on his toes all game.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 07:42:41 PM
no happy with Schneiderlin starting, fine with the rest really
Yeah, I would've had Davies in there with Gana, and Sigurdsson.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 07:42:58 PM
Lack of options?
Holgate could start learning how to be a Premiership CB next to someone fit to teach him the craft.
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 07:43:19 PM
Vlasic had to start.
Worried about the constant picking of Williams.
Post by: Trowel on October 01, 2017, 07:43:53 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 07:45:10 PM
Just another reminder of the shit international break I have to endure watching Ireland
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 07:46:12 PM
Dropping Rooney will create space for Sigurdsson, this is his game to control.
This is key for me. After a dozen games he now gives the record signing his preferred position with space. A good team performance with everything flowing through Sig should awaken Koeman's eyes.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 07:48:40 PM
Hendrick, Ward and Brady for them
Just another reminder of the shit international break I have to endure watching Ireland
I look at it as a weekend of catching up on my sleep.
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 07:49:27 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 07:49:31 PM
This is key for me. After a dozen games he now gives the record signing his preferred position with space. A good team performance with everything flowing through Sig should awaken Koeman's eyes.
Yes, but hopefully he gives it more than "60 minutes against 10 men behind the ball" Burnley for it to come together.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 07:49:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Everton/status/914463691227136000
I seriously cant understand/believe this team.
we have 2 players at the back who are prone to mistakes, one of them made around 10 mistakes in the last match he played in!! Dropping 2 players who most Evertonians see as better than Martina and Williams..
the formation will be 4 2 1 3, the same formation that causes the issues. albeit we have a better attacking balance, but still players out of position to fit this shit formation, we will struggle defensively if it is 4 2 1 3.
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 07:50:40 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 07:52:39 PM
But guys, dont get wound up if we're not that great. Confidence is low and some players havent played together.
And remember Burnley are no mugs... they drew at Lpool & Spurs.
Post by: Silas on October 01, 2017, 07:53:15 PM
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 07:56:08 PM
Holgate could start learning how to be a Premiership CB next to someone fit to teach him the craft.
Koeman has a hard time applying common sense, He berated Williams publicly after the match for his mistake, then drops the Holgate..
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 07:57:29 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 07:57:38 PM
Confidence is key. If we can win this and give a bit of excitement it will give us something to build on
If building involves Martina and Williams, im not for it, if it was building with players who will be part of our future, im behind that 1000%.
Post by: toffee_scot on October 01, 2017, 07:58:01 PM
Niasse starts but I get the feeling he best serves Everton as an impact player coming on. Martina and Williams in defence - I can just see Scott Arfield having a field day.
Post by: Silas on October 01, 2017, 07:59:42 PM
If building involves Martina and Williams, im not for it, if it was building with players who will be part of our future, im behind that 1000%.
Calvert Lewin, Vlasic etc are part of our future. Look at the whole pitch instead of focusing on two players.
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:00:11 PM
Post by: Silas on October 01, 2017, 08:01:25 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 08:01:30 PM
Calvert Lewin, Vlasic etc are part of our future. Look at the whole pitch instead of focusing on two players.
but those 2 players have cost us this season. easy errors that experienced players shouldnt be making.. unless they're not good enough to be in the team.
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 08:01:37 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:03:29 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:03:34 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:04:04 PM
Looks like a positive change in formation and personnel.
But guys, dont get wound up if we're not that great. Confidence is low and some players havent played together.
And remember Burnley are no mugs... they drew at Lpool & Spurs.
And beat Chelsea away on the opening day.
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:05:20 PM
Niasse from the start is going to be a much bigger ask for him too, we'll have to see how he copes.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 08:05:51 PM
Mobile friendly streams lads and lasses?
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams/comments/73lbnf/1315_gmt_everton_vs_burnley/
http://www.genti.stream/everton-live-stream.php
http://88live.me/skynetsports1.html
acestream://f01dd99ffaa3b1d271ff1f14cc57ecb38a86dbbb
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 01, 2017, 08:06:10 PM
At least it looks like with have some pace and width for a change
Still gonna be tough though against a 5 man midfield
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 08:06:13 PM
Post by: Silas on October 01, 2017, 08:06:32 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerstreams/comments/73lbnf/1315_gmt_everton_vs_burnley/
http://www.genti.stream/everton-live-stream.php
http://88live.me/skynetsports1.html
acestream://f01dd99ffaa3b1d271ff1f14cc57ecb38a86dbbb
Cheers pal
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 08:07:01 PM
http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/everton-vs-burnley-live-streaming
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 08:07:34 PM
Love him to score in the opening 5 minutes though.
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:08:33 PM
The pre excuses crowd are worse than the pre gloom...
How are people making excuses? By saying Burnley have been a tough nut to crack away from home this season?
Post by: blob on October 01, 2017, 08:09:18 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 08:09:43 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 08:09:58 PM
How are people making excuses? By saying Burnley have been a tough nut to crack away from home this season?you havn't caught the drift mate
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 01, 2017, 08:11:10 PM
reasonably confident of a win here
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:11:47 PM
Big ask of Niasse this. He won't be match fit and might end up doing himself no favours. Almost like Koeman has just shrugged his shoulders and said 'Okay then, there he is instead of one of England's best ever players.'
Love him to score in the opening 5 minutes though.
Yes, Koeman wouldn't be averse to throwing someone under the bus to make a point.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:12:28 PM
Souness and Carragher loving how shit we've been lately
Smug pair of cunts
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 01, 2017, 08:12:48 PM
Big ask of Niasse this. He won't be match fit and might end up doing himself no favours. Almost like Koeman has just shrugged his shoulders and said 'Okay then, there he is instead of one of England's best ever players.'
Love him to score in the opening 5 minutes though.
Yep, be interesting to see how he does from the start
I like the look of him though, there is something within his play, he seems to have a knack of getting in the right positions
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:12:49 PM
Cannot stand the cunt.
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 08:13:39 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 08:14:20 PM
How are people making excuses? By saying Burnley have been a tough nut to crack away from home this season?
Koeman fears Burnley, hence the 2 defensive midfielders again. ( I guess it was obvious tho, he had the same 2 against the mighty Apollon)
Post by: Ravardo on October 01, 2017, 08:15:17 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:15:32 PM
Hope Souness has some really bad health problems in the future.Bit harsh even for a cunt?
Cannot stand the cunt.
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 08:16:27 PM
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 08:16:39 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:18:13 PM
Post by: keverton1971 on October 01, 2017, 08:18:37 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:18:41 PM
Sigurdsson dropping deeper.
He was surprised that Baines wasn't bombing on.
I wasn't.
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 01, 2017, 08:19:25 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:19:59 PM
Bit harsh even for a cunt?
Honest though
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
Poor shot from Sigurdsson.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:20:54 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:21:22 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 08:21:51 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:21:55 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 01, 2017, 08:22:59 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 01, 2017, 08:23:14 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 01, 2017, 08:23:32 PM
streams lads??
http://www.genti.stream/everton-live-stream.php
Post by: Trowel on October 01, 2017, 08:23:35 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 08:23:40 PM
Yes, Koeman wouldn't be averse to throwing someone under the bus to make a point.
As long as he ends with himself
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:23:46 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:24:47 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 08:25:23 PM
streams lads??
http://livestreaming24.net/watch/Everton-Burnley
Post by: MarcusFenix on October 01, 2017, 08:25:24 PM
my streams gone down, any good ones??
Acestream ID , running very nicely
e061202217ea02d1c62e03688eaa3 a60ee7b6829
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 08:25:30 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:25:44 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:25:46 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:26:44 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:27:24 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
my streams gone down, any good ones??http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/everton-vs-burnley-live-streaming
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 08:27:39 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:28:32 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 08:28:48 PM
Really liking Vlasic so far today.
He's looked really hungry whenever he's played
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 01, 2017, 08:30:06 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:30:53 PM
Almost looks like a Brazilian Box with two holders and the two wide players tucking in behind two strikers
I'm sure we'll fold just like one also.
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 08:31:21 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:31:28 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:31:32 PM
Post by: Trowel on October 01, 2017, 08:31:33 PM
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 08:31:38 PM
These look dangerousIt's us who look vulnerable
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:31:50 PM
Post by: Optimistic Blue on October 01, 2017, 08:31:54 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 08:32:25 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:32:39 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 08:33:11 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:33:11 PM
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 08:33:36 PM
The commentator on my American stream keeps calling them 'Burmey' as well.
Post by: Gash on October 01, 2017, 08:33:44 PM
How we doing. Got caught having a longer poo then Id hoped and missed the first 10 minutes
Though you said it was a chore and you weren't going watch today?
Post by: Trowel on October 01, 2017, 08:34:15 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 08:34:19 PM
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 08:34:36 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 01, 2017, 08:34:39 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:35:09 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 08:35:36 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:35:53 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 08:36:15 PM
Post by: Silas on October 01, 2017, 08:36:19 PM
Post by: Mr. Devil on October 01, 2017, 08:36:19 PM
Post by: Trowel on October 01, 2017, 08:36:21 PM
Post by: blob on October 01, 2017, 08:36:24 PM
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 08:36:25 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:36:28 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:36:44 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:36:56 PM
Post by: toffee_scot on October 01, 2017, 08:37:01 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:37:31 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:37:35 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 08:37:45 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:37:52 PM
A real shame, given the bright start.
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 08:37:57 PM
Need to keep our heads up here
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 08:38:03 PM
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 08:38:09 PM
Post by: Silas on October 01, 2017, 08:38:12 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 08:38:16 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 08:38:23 PM
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 01, 2017, 08:38:35 PM
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 08:38:49 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:39:09 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:39:16 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:39:25 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:39:27 PM
If we weren't struggling for confidence this would be fine. Need the crowd to get behind what the team are trying to do today.
As if you could be arsed if you were there. Proper sit on your seat with your head in hands this game.
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 08:39:30 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:39:44 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 08:39:50 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 08:39:56 PM
Post by: Escla on October 01, 2017, 08:40:06 PM
From the NBC commentary of the replay as I typed - "played onside by Ashley Williams"
Ah...was wondering who would find a reason to blame Williams for that goal, just for your info Sky blamed Vlassic for ball watching.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 08:40:34 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:40:52 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:41:26 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:41:54 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 08:42:02 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:42:05 PM
/do NOT see myself in the mood for that
Post by: Major Clanger on October 01, 2017, 08:42:07 PM
Ah...was wondering who would find a reason to blame Williams for that goal, just for your info Sky blamed Vlassic for ball watching.
He did fall asleep a bit but Hendrick made an absolute mug of Schneiderlin too.
Williams is still dogshit, but he wasn't at fault for the goal.
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 08:42:25 PM
Can't stand listening to Phil Neville on the commentary.
It's like he's commenting from Anne Frank's wardrobe
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:42:28 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:43:19 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:43:34 PM
will we ever keep a clean sheet ever again?
Not with this defence, no.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 08:43:39 PM
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 08:43:40 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 01, 2017, 08:43:43 PM
Post by: dchans on October 01, 2017, 08:43:53 PM
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 08:43:59 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:44:02 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 08:44:07 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on October 01, 2017, 08:44:28 PM
It's like he's commenting from Anne Frank's wardrobe
I'm sure he's pointing at all the right places though.
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 08:44:30 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:44:46 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:44:50 PM
Post by: Lincs Toffee on October 01, 2017, 08:44:54 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 08:45:18 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 08:45:20 PM
Post by: blob on October 01, 2017, 08:45:22 PM
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 01, 2017, 08:45:38 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
We keep just playing the ball the way we're facing as it's the easy option
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 08:45:54 PM
Not even mad anymore, just apathetic to it all.Same...it's abject shite no positives apart from Rooney not on to make it even worse.
Post by: griff969 on October 01, 2017, 08:46:06 PM
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 08:46:20 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 01, 2017, 08:46:31 PM
We haven't even been shit, that's that's the worst part. When it's against you though, it really is. These little teams can come here and genuinely threaten us because were so weak spirited right now.
We've actually been decent haven't we.
Vlasic look a real player... apart from that whole not following his man part
I will say though, Niasse is not a footballer. His brain isn't on the level it needs to be, and our attacks break down.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 08:46:40 PM
The rest of the team could really do with learning how to receive the ball and turn from Vlasic.It's called terror.
We keep just playing the ball the way we're facing as it's the easy option
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:46:56 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:47:16 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:47:30 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 08:47:55 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 08:48:03 PM
Gueye has been awful every time he gets on the ball.
I'd still take Schniederlin off before him, at least Gueye is putting himself about and getting on the ball
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 08:48:07 PM
Very worrying.
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 08:48:29 PM
We've actually been decent haven't we.
Vlasic look a real player... apart from that whole not following his man part
I will say though, Niasse is not a footballer. His brain isn't on the level it needs to be, and our attacks break down.
Give it a rest. He's done nothing wrong so far.
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 08:48:43 PM
Is Sigurdsson really a 45m pound player? I just don't see it.We were mugs to pay that and should have walked away.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:48:45 PM
And that is completely unsurprising.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:49:14 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 01, 2017, 08:49:17 PM
I'd still take Schniederlin off before him, at least Gueye is putting himself about and getting on the ball
Gueye isn't disciplined enough to keep his position if he's the only DM. Best part of his game is hunting the ball, it'd leave us too open.
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 08:49:22 PM
Post by: blargins on October 01, 2017, 08:49:51 PM
When Baines can't be fucked with a decent haircut anymore you know things are bad.
Um... when has he ever had a decent haircut?
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 08:50:28 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 01, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 08:51:13 PM
Is Sigurdsson really a 45m pound player? I just don't see it.No never was, overated shite
Post by: blargins on October 01, 2017, 08:51:23 PM
Rooney would at least take any chances and not bottle it in front of goal.
Nah, he'd fall over.
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 08:51:40 PM
Boom Schneiderlin air shot. What a shitter.I thought he was poor for the goal slso
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 08:52:34 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 08:52:43 PM
Rooney for Niasse
Not sure how Niasse is the one you have a problem with after this 35 minutes
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:53:08 PM
Rooney would at least take any chances and not bottle it in front of goal.
He wouldn't be in the position to have the chances. He'd be next to our centre halves floating useless passes out to Martina with the outside of his foot, pretending that he's 'running the game from deep'.
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:54:15 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:54:47 PM
He wouldn't be in the position to have the chances. He'd be next to our centre halves floating useless passes out to Martina with the outside of his foot, pretending that he's 'running the game from deep'.
Yes, at least Sigurdsson is keeping some sort of shape.
The fact he hasn't been very good on the ball is another issue, though 😁
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 08:54:58 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 08:55:05 PM
Working really hard though and putting them on the back foot.
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:55:29 PM
Niasse is so awkward.
Working really hard though and putting them on the back foot.
He is.. but i don't think you're allowed to say he isn't that good on here.
Post by: Heisenberg on October 01, 2017, 08:55:39 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:55:44 PM
Heads and arses have gone.
Seems like yours have.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:56:24 PM
Yes, at least Sigurdsson is keeping some sort of shape.
The fact he hasn't been very good on the ball is another issue, though 😁
I'd give him a shot, though. Think he's close to sorting himself out.
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
Promising. But also very sad.
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 08:56:38 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 08:56:39 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:56:47 PM
Post by: Trowel on October 01, 2017, 08:56:47 PM
Well, believable really.
So lucky.
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:57:09 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:57:13 PM
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 08:57:26 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:57:26 PM
Seems like yours have.Yup. Like the team and crowd completely devoid of confidence that we can get back into this.
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 08:57:26 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on October 01, 2017, 08:57:31 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 08:57:47 PM
Post by: blob on October 01, 2017, 08:57:53 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:57:55 PM
Williams with another mistake.
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 08:58:05 PM
Post by: dchans on October 01, 2017, 08:58:11 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 08:58:19 PM
Post by: TheRam on October 01, 2017, 08:58:28 PM
No ones interested since we went a goal down.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 08:58:35 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 08:58:43 PM
Schneiderlin has to be off at the half, Klaassen on.
I'd like to throw Davies or Sandro on, but even I'm not quite THAT mad.
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
this is grim. burnley free-flowing by comparison.We are easily one of the worst teams in the league atm. Terrible everywhere on the pitch.
Post by: Goaljira on October 01, 2017, 08:59:22 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 08:59:27 PM
Guaranteed he hauls off players that have done alright like Niasse, DCL, and/or Vlasic, and puts on Rooney, Klaassen, and Sandro.That hints he's got a plan Sam....Nah
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 08:59:28 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 08:59:33 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 08:59:41 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 08:59:42 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 08:59:51 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 08:59:55 PM
He wouldn't be in the position to have the chances. He'd be next to our centre halves floating useless passes out to Martina with the outside of his foot, pretending that he's 'running the game from deep'.
Totally different point.
I was saying Rooney is a natural finisher compared to the others fluffing their shots.
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 09:00:09 PM
Williams is a fucking car crash. But one that keeps happening again and again. Like a crash test dummy setup. He's just an absolute fucking liability.Horrible player
Post by: Redartin on October 01, 2017, 09:00:12 PM
Need some inspiration
I'd put Dyche in our dugout for the second half.
Post by: brap2 on October 01, 2017, 09:00:25 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 09:00:29 PM
Post by: Goaljira on October 01, 2017, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:01:13 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:01:34 PM
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 09:01:50 PM
If we lose this, he has got to go, right? There's no way you can keep him here.45 minutes to save his job.
Post by: Mayor Farnum on October 01, 2017, 09:01:56 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:02:03 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:02:03 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 09:02:11 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 09:02:13 PM
Post by: Simon Paul on October 01, 2017, 09:02:34 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 09:02:35 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 09:02:39 PM
Davies and Kenny on for me. Fuck Martina and Gana off.
Kenny isn't even on the bench I don't think.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:02:44 PM
45 minutes to save his job.
Dreamland. He'll be in the job for ages yet.
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:03:09 PM
Sure we look better but we still lack width and support for the fullbacks going forward.
Outrageous not to have brought in a natural wide player or at least play the ones we have to bring some balance.
We still look better but not like we can break them down.
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 09:03:22 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 09:03:29 PM
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 01, 2017, 09:03:35 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 09:04:26 PM
What on earth am I watching here, absolutely terrible game of football. Everton are all over the shop and don't even look interested. Sleepwalking.
been saying that for weeks, all comes down to Koeman.
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
Post by: john e on October 01, 2017, 09:04:36 PM
Post by: MexicanToffee on October 01, 2017, 09:05:06 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:05:22 PM
Baines is a shithouse isnt he :(Nothing in front of him.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:05:43 PM
Davies and Kenny on for me. Fuck Martina and Gana off.
Kenny isn't in the squad I don't think.
And I would rather sacrifice Schneiderlin for Davies.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:05:51 PM
Baines is a shithouse isnt he :(
TBH he is a bit yes. Rarely puts his body on the line and pretty cowardly on the ball. Always goes back if he's under any pressure at all.
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 09:05:59 PM
Think Kenny is becoming a bit of a myth. The truth is probably that weve only got 1 remotely decent right back and hes injured. Kenny played midweek and he was equally shite
Disagree. Kenny at least has an idea of where to stand without the ball.
Martina is the worst defensive right back in the entire league and he's not going to get any better.
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 09:05:59 PM
- We were playing more than 1 number 10 at the same time
- We had no width
- We weren't starting Niasse
- We needed to drop Rooney
So all those problems have been fixed, and we're still losing and creating hardly any clear cut chances.
What gives?
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 09:06:11 PM
We have been better but still not good enough.
Vlasic looks good on the ball but no willing runners.
Reckon we will still win this.
Thats about all I have to contribute as I tuck in to a lemon tart from M&S
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 09:06:13 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:06:38 PM
Post by: bluestevie on October 01, 2017, 09:06:48 PM
Davies and Kenny on for me. Fuck Martina and Gana off.
Kenny isn't even in the squad mate, I'd bin Williams off for Holgate if we are to make any defensive changes
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:07:44 PM
Kenny isn't even in the squad mate, I'd bin Williams off for Holgate if we are to make any defensive changes
Yeah 7 people have informed me now.
Post by: mikey_blue on October 01, 2017, 09:07:47 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
Burnley are head and shoulders ahead of us. They are completely outplaying us. All that money spent and we might not have a single player good enough for any of the teams above us. Weve snapped up a whole load of bang average players for crazy prices.Absolute proof if anymore needed Koeman has us in reverse, and that's taking into account losing Rom, we have deteriorated in every department apart from keeper since this fixture last season....ITS FUCKIN SHITE
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 01, 2017, 09:07:52 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:07:59 PM
I'm confused. According to everyone on here, the reason we were doing badly this season was because:
- We were playing more than 1 number 10 at the same time
- We had no width
- We weren't starting Niasse
- We needed to drop Rooney
So all those problems have been fixed, and we're still losing and creating hardly any clear cut chances.
What gives?
The sad thing is, this is the most threatening, balanced, and cohesive we've looked in attack all season.
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:08:08 PM
I'm confused. According to everyone on here, the reason we were doing badly this season was because:We still have no width.
- We were playing more than 1 number 10 at the same time
- We had no width
- We weren't starting Niasse
- We needed to drop Rooney
So all those problems have been fixed, and we're still losing and creating hardly any clear cut chances.
What gives?
I personally don't see how dropping Rooney makes us better as he's our best player.
Post by: wepull on October 01, 2017, 09:08:33 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 09:08:35 PM
I'm confused. According to everyone on here, the reason we were doing badly this season was because:
- We were playing more than 1 number 10 at the same time
- We had no width
- We weren't starting Niasse
- We needed to drop Rooney
So all those problems have been fixed, and we're still losing and creating hardly any clear cut chances.
What gives?
Well in fairness, we started well and created a few good chances. Two on a plate for Sigurdsson really.
That's what it's like though when you're playing with zero confidence, concede and the air goes out the balloon so quickly.
That said, clearly the defence is still a glaring issue. As little confidence as we have up top, multiply that by ten at the back. There are no players seemingly we can bring in to fix that though as I presume Jagielka is injured still and Coleman yet to deemed fit.
Oh and we still don't have much width, everyone is coming inside.
Post by: WeimaranerBlues on October 01, 2017, 09:08:44 PM
Post by: gizzblue on October 01, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
Post by: griff969 on October 01, 2017, 09:08:51 PM
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 09:08:57 PM
I'm confused. According to everyone on here, the reason we were doing badly this season was because:No the problem Is We have sold our best assests and replaced them with overpriced disjointed shit....koeman out
- We were playing more than 1 number 10 at the same time
- We had no width
- We weren't starting Niasse
- We needed to drop Rooney
So all those problems have been fixed, and we're still losing and creating hardly any clear cut chances.
What gives?
Post by: D3blue on October 01, 2017, 09:09:21 PM
Post by: bogie on October 01, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
I would drop Ashley Williams and sell in in jan for £5.99 how the hell is he on today and that clown at right back tell Koeman to take him with him when he goes
Post by: Redartin on October 01, 2017, 09:10:00 PM
Dreamland. He'll be in the job for ages yet.
Unfortunately this is probably true. But irrespective of the result in this match fuck him out now because this shit is just going to go on and on till he does go.
We fucked about too long with Martinez and we are going to do it again.
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 09:10:11 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:10:12 PM
Martina off for Davies.
Williams off for Holgate.
Schniederlin off for Klaassen.
Gets our best 11 on the pitch, worst offenders off. Piss-poor starting decisions makes us waste all 3 subs early, but these are desperate times.
Post by: Escla on October 01, 2017, 09:10:25 PM
Schneiderlin just got his asshole ripped open by NBCSN for the goal. Yikes.
Ditto by Jaimie Carragher on Sky.
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:10:39 PM
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 09:10:50 PM
Schneiderlin has been poor. Doesnt seem to be able to make a forward pass..Been saying it for weeks bang average player
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:13:03 PM
another cheeky tenner going on us to win , 7/2 absolute shithouse odds though
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 09:13:37 PM
I'm confused. According to everyone on here, the reason we were doing badly this season was because:its Koemans tactics. or lack of.
- We were playing more than 1 number 10 at the same time nope, Siggy should play instead of Schneiderlin, we have no one in midfield who can break through or pass
- We had no width still have no width, we have 2 number tens playing as right/left wingers
- We weren't starting Niasse cant blame the strikers when we have 2 shit house defenders who dont know how to defend
- We needed to drop Rooney or we'd have 6 players in the middle of the pitch
So all those problems have been fixed, and we're still losing and creating hardly any clear cut chances.
What gives?
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 09:13:42 PM
Williams, Martina, Schneiderlin, Baines & Calvert Lewin in the starting 11 - LOL. Fucking garbage
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 09:13:48 PM
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 09:13:53 PM
fuck itDon't waste the tenner at those odds
another cheeky tenner going on us to win , 7/2 absolute shithouse odds though
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 09:13:54 PM
We can complain about the tactics all we like but the players need to grow some fucking mangos. Morgan and Baines in particular.
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:14:19 PM
Don't waste the tenner at those odds
ya might wait till the 70th minute like
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:14:31 PM
fuck it
another cheeky tenner going on us to win , 7/2 absolute shithouse odds though
Definitely would have blown that on four cans of Guinness and some chippy later.
Post by: dazfrancis on October 01, 2017, 09:15:08 PM
If you were to pick on form Williams, Schneiderlin and Martina wouldn't be playing.
I know the argument against would the players coming in are Holgate, Davies and Kenny but the argument should be if you're playing too shit, you're shit enough to be dropped.
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:15:10 PM
Post by: chang on October 01, 2017, 09:15:25 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 09:15:38 PM
Aside from Williams who is sadly past it Schneiderlin is the one I have the biggest problem with. Turned into a nothing player.
He looked good last season, what has happened? Maybe he has always been overrated. Offers nothing creatively and we already have/had the second best spoiler in the PL in Gueye.
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:15:48 PM
Definitely would have blown that on four cans of Guinness and some chippy later.
i've had 4 cans of guinness already, slightly numbs watching this shite
Post by: Cuttyblue on October 01, 2017, 09:15:53 PM
Get Schneid off!
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:16:58 PM
A great old quote from baseball player Mookie Wilson that Ronald can use to motivate the lads "When I'm in a slump I comfort myself by saying if I believe in dinosaurs, then somewhere, they must believe in me. And if they believe in me, then I believe in me. Then I bust out."
that wilson can fuck off, we'd lose every game 3 nil if we believed in that
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 09:17:11 PM
We have no attacking plan and it's even starting to affect our defense.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:18:15 PM
Pickford
Davies Holgate Keane Baines
Klaassen Gana Sigurdsson
Vlasic DCL Niasse
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:20:40 PM
Post by: mikey_blue on October 01, 2017, 09:21:05 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:21:13 PM
I don't know what forward passes we're expecting the midfielders to make. There's no short option (except Vlasic occasionally) and Burnley have worked out how to deal with the long balls.Problem with two strikers who both prefer to play on the shoulder is they don't come short.
We have no attacking plan and it's killing our defense (in addition to our attack).
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:21:14 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:21:54 PM
It's like he's playing with an injury and something tragic on his mind.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:21:59 PM
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 09:22:03 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 09:22:44 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:23:05 PM
Post by: Cuttyblue on October 01, 2017, 09:23:19 PM
Keane is dogshit, hoof merchant
So many other players to slate before you get to him
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 09:23:43 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:23:51 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 09:23:57 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:24:07 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 09:24:17 PM
Post by: Martip on October 01, 2017, 09:24:22 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:24:25 PM
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 09:24:42 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:24:45 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 09:24:46 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 09:24:47 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:24:47 PM
Gana's been abysmal on the ball here.
Yeah, he's been poor going forward today.
At least he's won the ball back fairly regularly, though, and attempted some forward passes, unlike Schneiderlin.
Post by: hannu on October 01, 2017, 09:24:49 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:24:55 PM
Phil Neville reckons we're lacking in confidence and has decided to bring it up once every two minutes.
SQUARK!
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 09:25:00 PM
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 09:25:20 PM
Post by: Fynci on October 01, 2017, 09:25:51 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:26:36 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:26:45 PM
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 09:26:47 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:27:09 PM
Post by: Cuttyblue on October 01, 2017, 09:27:18 PM
Yeah, he's been poor going forward today.
At least he's won the ball back fairly regularly, though, and attempted some forward passes, unlike Schneiderlin.
Schneiderlin is absolutely awful! Never Involved, never wins a tackle. We are playing w 10 men
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 01, 2017, 09:27:22 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 09:27:28 PM
Nothing instincitve.
Post by: D3blue on October 01, 2017, 09:27:32 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 09:27:38 PM
any streams ive only just walked in
http://www.genti.stream/everton-live-stream.php Dont do it to yourself
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 09:27:41 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 09:27:44 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:27:54 PM
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 09:27:59 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:28:18 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:29:16 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:29:20 PM
Imagine if we had players who could pass the ball like Burnely.. Shameful this.
Klaassen fumes from the bench
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 09:29:20 PM
Wish WBA had beaten us to Morgan and we'd kept Gareth Barry.
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 09:29:49 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:30:12 PM
Post by: Ari on October 01, 2017, 09:30:16 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 01, 2017, 09:30:25 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:30:30 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:30:31 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:30:34 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:30:38 PM
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:31:06 PM
Post by: hannu on October 01, 2017, 09:31:10 PM
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 09:31:12 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:31:34 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 09:31:43 PM
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 01, 2017, 09:31:50 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:32:05 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 09:32:07 PM
Vlasic should be playing down Baines sideWhat the tactics that looked decent on Thursday. Too easy that.
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:32:37 PM
I give Koeman to Xmas, still
What positives could you possibly see that you'd give him two more months?
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 09:32:46 PM
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 09:33:05 PM
Schneiderlin is a great player, nobody will shine under this ginger tits shadow.
No he's not
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:33:22 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:33:30 PM
No he's not
Who was that guy that played last season then?
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 09:33:42 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 09:33:47 PM
Post by: wepull on October 01, 2017, 09:33:48 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:33:58 PM
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 09:34:05 PM
I give Koeman to Xmas, still
Why?
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 09:34:20 PM
Who was that guy that played last season then?
He's shit
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 09:34:20 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:34:26 PM
What positives could you possibly see that you'd give him two more months?
oh, I don't see positives, I just don't want to be rash. General philosophy on changing managers.
Not like anything can be done to turn this into Europa champions or Top 6, is there?
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:34:30 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:34:35 PM
Why hasn't he changed it yet
Think he's just realised he quite fancies picking up £500k a month to play golf the next 18 months actually. He's just gonna let things limp to it's natural conclusion.
Post by: Fynci on October 01, 2017, 09:34:42 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:34:43 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 09:34:52 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:35:01 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 09:35:20 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:35:20 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 09:35:30 PM
Post by: Cuttyblue on October 01, 2017, 09:35:43 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 09:35:47 PM
Think he's just realised he quite fancies picking up £500k a month to play golf the next 18 months actually. He's just gonna let things limp to it's natural conclusion.We need to murder the Cunt then
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:36:15 PM
Post by: Cuttyblue on October 01, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
OK if his first sub today is fucking Rooney you can fire him immediately
Rooney will score
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:36:36 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:36:51 PM
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 01, 2017, 09:37:22 PM
Post by: wepull on October 01, 2017, 09:37:47 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:38:15 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:38:22 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:38:29 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 09:38:30 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:39:06 PM
Pickford can pick a pass better than most of our 73 central midfielders, worryingly.
Stek for Gana??
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:39:17 PM
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 09:39:47 PM
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
That's why no good forward passing is happening.
Post by: Audrey Horne on October 01, 2017, 09:40:17 PM
Post by: Ridge on October 01, 2017, 09:40:32 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 09:40:45 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:40:49 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 09:40:51 PM
oh no
:Lennon:
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 09:40:57 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:41:11 PM
Glad Davies is on, though.
Post by: Cuttyblue on October 01, 2017, 09:41:15 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:41:19 PM
Post by: Major Clanger on October 01, 2017, 09:41:20 PM
Look at all of that space between the midfield and our attacking players every time we're on the ball.
That's why no good forward passing is happening.
Every time a forward controls the ball, lays it off to a midfielder, they turn around and run away from the scene.
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:41:21 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:41:26 PM
Streams gone ffs....any out there??
http://livestreaming24.net/watch/Everton-Burnley
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:41:34 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:41:35 PM
Post by: Gash on October 01, 2017, 09:41:39 PM
We need to murder the Cunt then
Turn it in.
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 09:41:59 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:42:09 PM
Streams gone ffs....any out there??
You're better off, Lizz
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:42:09 PM
Still no Klaassen, the sub we most need to introduce
We already have too many players who disappear, you want more?
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 09:42:31 PM
Played Koeman lad
Post by: brap2 on October 01, 2017, 09:42:33 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:42:52 PM
Think he might go after this.
Hope so.
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 01, 2017, 09:43:16 PM
No fight and not even troubling their keeper, when it should be a half where we are throwing the kitchen sink and him.
Not one to knee jerk but it's not long until Koeman is seriously under threat
Post by: Sixx1402 on October 01, 2017, 09:43:32 PM
I reckon if we lose this and fail to beat Brighton Koeman will get sacked
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 01, 2017, 09:43:52 PM
Baines' free pass on criticism is up now I'm afraid.Agreed. It's a crying shame but he looks shot
Post by: keverton1971 on October 01, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 09:44:09 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:44:10 PM
We already have too many players who disappear, you want more?
He can play a pass forward, that's our only hope. We haven't sniffed the attacking area since like the 25th minute.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:44:12 PM
Think he might go after this.
Hard to say because we don't really know how Moshiri reacts to stuff yet.
Post by: Major Clanger on October 01, 2017, 09:44:23 PM
Still no Klaassen, the sub we most need to introduce
You reckon we'd be better with 9 men?
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:45:37 PM
He can play a pass forward, that's our only hope. We haven't sniffed the attacking area since like the 25th minute.
Don't be soft, he's got no chance of turning any games around.
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
Conceding was a disaster.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:45:46 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:45:57 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 09:46:02 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:46:34 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:46:42 PM
Something must have happened between Koeman and the squad. This definitely resembles the death throws of a regime. No one is arsed.
We can but hope.
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 01, 2017, 09:47:06 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:47:09 PM
Post by: wepull on October 01, 2017, 09:47:14 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:47:25 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:49:14 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 09:49:17 PM
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 09:49:21 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 09:49:22 PM
Will the stadium still get built if we're in the championship?Will be lower than that if we keep this twat.
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:49:42 PM
I'm aware Klaassen hasn't been good, but he has a particular skill set that we should try to utilize here to break Burnley down.
Why can he play wide right or left?
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:49:50 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:50:26 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:50:35 PM
Sacking Koeman just makes him much richer... I wish I had his t&c's... it's win win for him. Who'd come here though (who's any good)?
Got to be Big Sam, he likes a relegation scrap.
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:50:39 PM
Post by: sirblue57 on October 01, 2017, 09:50:51 PM
Post by: sirblue57 on October 01, 2017, 09:51:10 PM
Got to be Big Sam, he likes a relegation scrap.Fuck off.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:51:25 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:51:32 PM
Why can he play wide right or left?
Introducing Rooney (leaving Sig on), then taking off Vlasic let me know that was off the table.
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 09:51:34 PM
Sigurdsson is gash isn't he
He's got a £45million weight on his shoulders, he'll come good in the end
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 09:51:42 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:52:06 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:52:10 PM
He's got a £45million weight on his shoulders, he'll come good in the end
We hope.
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:52:30 PM
It's the manager that's the glaring problem.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:53:18 PM
We've got loads of good players lads. Even with the imbalance plenty of managers would love a squad with this quality and with our young players.
It's the manager that's the glaring problem.
Basically what NBC just said.
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 01, 2017, 09:53:25 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 09:53:27 PM
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 09:53:32 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:53:36 PM
Hope we start playing Rooney as a CM instead of Schneiderlin.. he;s got the energy and vision and can pass forwards.
I'd be up for this.
Post by: Dr. Sponge on October 01, 2017, 09:53:45 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 09:53:55 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:54:05 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:54:48 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 09:54:52 PM
Post by: Chrisknms on October 01, 2017, 09:55:16 PM
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 09:55:23 PM
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 09:55:27 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 09:55:34 PM
He's got a £45million weight on his shoulders, he'll come good in the endyour fuckin dreaming, he was never 45m worth ever, he's set up for life with his cut so fair fucks to him.
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 09:55:38 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:56:49 PM
At least today has enabled us to get some perspective into the Niasse debate. He's a limited footballer best utilised from the bench and not the saviour a few hoped he'd be.
I don't know, if we didn't have a crab (Schneid) and a blind man (Gana's poor forward passing) in the centre of midfield, we may have put some through balls in for him to run onto.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Post by: Heisenberg on October 01, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 09:57:44 PM
Post by: GrantyBoy78 on October 01, 2017, 09:57:58 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 09:58:11 PM
Why don't we ever play with intensity early on?
We did today, til the goal went in.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 09:58:41 PM
Post by: sirblue57 on October 01, 2017, 09:58:57 PM
Got to be Big Sam, he likes a relegation scrap.Fuck off.
Post by: Smingers on October 01, 2017, 09:58:59 PM
We are shit
This
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 09:59:13 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 09:59:26 PM
DCL finishing again, kinda poo.
Post by: dchans on October 01, 2017, 09:59:33 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 09:59:36 PM
was no where near a handball.
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 09:59:40 PM
Post by: brap2 on October 01, 2017, 09:59:47 PM
Hard to say because we don't really know how Moshiri reacts to stuff yet.
True, got a feeling myself though.
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 10:00:49 PM
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 01, 2017, 10:01:16 PM
I'm done with Koeman
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:01:19 PM
16th after this? lol
feels flattering atm
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 10:01:29 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 10:01:42 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 10:01:51 PM
True, got a feeling myself though.
Really hope so. Better to cut our losses and rip the plaster off quickly, to mix metaphors.
Post by: griff969 on October 01, 2017, 10:02:04 PM
What do we actually do in training I wonder.
Post by: kramer0 on October 01, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
Post by: Macca77 on October 01, 2017, 10:02:14 PM
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:02:18 PM
For a team that wants champions league, you'd think they'd get rid of the manager who hasn't got a bobby whats going on.
Bobby?
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
Oh fuck off.
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 10:03:03 PM
Bobby?
Yes, it was a great little pun.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:03:27 PM
Post by: stirlingblue on October 01, 2017, 10:03:29 PM
International break?
Oh fuck off.
Get rid of him now and give whoever we bring in a few weeks before their first game
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:03:37 PM
Yes, it was a great little pun.
Explain
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 10:03:44 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 10:03:52 PM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 01, 2017, 10:03:52 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:03:59 PM
Post by: Lazarou on October 01, 2017, 10:04:28 PM
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 01, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
Post by: BlueBeagle on October 01, 2017, 10:04:54 PM
#bbcfootball
Charles Meyrick: Don't know if it's any consolation to Everton fans, but I've been making a carbonara during this match & it's turned out great
lolol
Post by: Smingers on October 01, 2017, 10:04:59 PM
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:05:05 PM
taking off the player(Niasse) who was getting in behind the defense, for someone who doesnt even want to get anywhere near the box (Sandro)
They're both proper shit mate tbh doesn't really matter
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 10:05:06 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 10:05:31 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 10:05:37 PM
Post by: blob on October 01, 2017, 10:05:41 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 10:05:43 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:06:07 PM
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 01, 2017, 10:06:13 PM
Post by: karling1972 on October 01, 2017, 10:06:32 PM
Post by: Smingers on October 01, 2017, 10:06:47 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 10:06:52 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 10:07:00 PM
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 10:07:02 PM
Post by: Brownie on October 01, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 01, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
there ought be boos now
And there they are.
Post by: cantoffee on October 01, 2017, 10:07:11 PM
Can't see the point in him staying now.
Post by: D3blue on October 01, 2017, 10:07:19 PM
Post by: Tinga on October 01, 2017, 10:07:19 PM
Post by: Ross on October 01, 2017, 10:07:28 PM
Post by: Blue Lagoon on October 01, 2017, 10:07:30 PM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 10:07:59 PM
Post by: gizzblue on October 01, 2017, 10:08:00 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 10:08:10 PM
We play so slow and in front of their defenders. Just everything they could ask for really.
What do we actually do in training I wonder.
play golf
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:08:13 PM
Please can RK go...
Mans not hot
Post by: toffee_scot on October 01, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
Fuck off Koeman.
Post by: Smingers on October 01, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
Post by: blueToffee on October 01, 2017, 10:08:40 PM
No positives.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
Post by: Goaljira on October 01, 2017, 10:08:49 PM
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 01, 2017, 10:09:03 PM
This is now getting to be as bad as under Martinez. Not quite there yet but not far off.
Martinez never got to spend $145M in one window.
He was not a good manager for us, but he WAS very good at getting in talent for modest sums of money. He had a very sharp eye for young talent.
Post by: john e on October 01, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 10:09:17 PM
AM dodged one hell of a bullet there. Is he actually a footballer?
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 10:09:28 PM
Post by: Smingers on October 01, 2017, 10:09:30 PM
Post by: hill135 on October 01, 2017, 10:09:32 PM
Will be relieved to get some respite that turbo dogshit we've been serving up.
Post by: karling1972 on October 01, 2017, 10:09:43 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 10:09:59 PM
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
Just poor all round.
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 10:10:12 PM
Martinez never got to spend $145M in one window.
He was not a good manager for us, but he WAS very good at getting in talent for modest sums of money. He had a very sharp eye for young talent.
No he didn't. At all. I don't know where you've got this from. Revisionist stuff.
Post by: griff969 on October 01, 2017, 10:10:15 PM
play golf
Probably badly too
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 10:10:16 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:10:32 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 10:10:57 PM
Got to be Big Sam, he likes a relegation scrap.
Ross Barkley likes this
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 10:11:07 PM
Jan maybe too late.
We are actually quite fucked aren't we?
Post by: Goaljira on October 01, 2017, 10:11:45 PM
Yay, now the RS are on, and my RS uncle and cousin are here
Go hang off the sky dish till it falls off the wall.
Post by: Cozzie on October 01, 2017, 10:11:56 PM
Post by: bluestevie on October 01, 2017, 10:12:14 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:12:24 PM
Post by: wepull on October 01, 2017, 10:12:28 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 10:12:30 PM
If he sacrifices DCL, Niasse, and Vlasic in the next game he can fuck off; at least they tried and had a bit of energy about them.
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:12:37 PM
Can sandro please never play for us again?
AM dodged one hell of a bullet there. Is he actually a footballer?
They probably didn't ever want him, it was probably just a ploy to get the bellends to take him
He's incredibly shit
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 10:13:16 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 10:13:32 PM
Go hang off the sky dish till it falls off the wall.
Great idea, and maybe I'll be hospitalised into the bargain 👍🏼
Post by: Bluedylan on October 01, 2017, 10:14:18 PM
First time in a long time I've looked forward to international break.
Will be relieved to get some respite that turbo dogshit we've been serving up.
Would you fire him?
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 10:14:58 PM
Just hope Moshiri is fuming after necking a bottle of red watching this at home and rings Koeman's mobile while it's happening.
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 01, 2017, 10:15:41 PM
Martinez never got to spend $145M in one window.
He was not a good manager for us, but he WAS very good at getting in talent for modest sums of money. He had a very sharp eye for young talent.
Cleverly
Kobe
Robles
Samurai
Lennon
Lukaku (a given)
Niasse (from a DVD)
Ruined Barkley.
Seville has a better eye for young talent.
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:16:18 PM
Shame, because we looked much better until they scored.
If he sacrifices DCL, Niasse, and Vlasic in the next game he can fuck off; at least they tried and had a bit of energy about them.
He went RIGHT BACK to his comfort zone. Rooney and Sigurdsson, no width. Did nothing about the lack of creativity in the middle, nor the shocking, steaming pile of poo that is Ashley Williams.
THAT is the problem.
Post by: chang on October 01, 2017, 10:16:23 PM
Time for the owners to take one on the chin and put an end to the dross being served up.
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:16:26 PM
Cleverly
Kobe
Robles
Samurai
Lennon
Lukaku (a given)
Niasse (from a DVD)
Ruined Barkley.
Seville has a better eye for young talent.
What?
Post by: KingOfNapaValley on October 01, 2017, 10:17:18 PM
Cleverly
Kobe
Robles
Samurai
Lennon
Lukaku (a given)
Niasse (from a DVD)
Ruined Barkley.
Seville has a better eye for young talent.
You could be right.
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 01, 2017, 10:17:55 PM
NOT FUCKIN NOW YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!
DELOFEU NOT SAMURAI!!!!!!!
Post by: Escla on October 01, 2017, 10:18:29 PM
Post by: brap2 on October 01, 2017, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 10:19:22 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 10:19:39 PM
Message to phone:
NOT FUCKIN NOW YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!
DELOFEU NOT SAMURAI!!!!!!!
It's Deulofeu.
:snigger:
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 10:21:46 PM
They have right fucked me this week have Everton. Cost me over 3 grand on Thursday. I live in Burnley so ive got to put up with smug workmates tomorrow and 3 fucking hours of my time being bored to death.
Koemans right teste
Post by: Escla on October 01, 2017, 10:22:26 PM
They have right fucked me this week have Everton. Cost me over 3 grand on Thursday. I live in Burnley so ive got to put up with smug workmates tomorrow and 3 fucking hours of my time being bored to death.
Fuck me, 3 grand ! You can buy a house for that in Burnley can't you ?
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
It's Deulofeu.
:snigger:
how quickly we lose our spelling discipline!
Post by: Mac934 on October 01, 2017, 10:23:09 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 10:23:19 PM
Fuck me, 3 grand ! You can buy a house for that in Burnley can't you ?
Haha 2. Or none when you concede a last minute goal to a cypriate team with 10 men
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 10:23:21 PM
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:24:40 PM
Cleverly
Kobe
Robles
Samurai
Lennon
Lukaku (a given)
Niasse (from a DVD)
Ruined Barkley.
Seville has a better eye for young talent.
If that means what I think it means you should know better than joking about stuff like that, especially at your age, grow up
Post by: Buck76 on October 01, 2017, 10:25:19 PM
Kenwright will give Koeman a hug in the lounge, tell him to hang in there, that he's a great bloke, we're right behind him.
Just hope Moshiri is fuming after necking a bottle of red watching this at home and rings Koeman's mobile while it's happening.
I hope Moshies is with his Russian mate securing another manager
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
They have right fucked me this week have Everton. Cost me over 3 grand on Thursday. I live in Burnley so ive got to put up with smug workmates tomorrow and 3 fucking hours of my time being bored to death.
is that you Paul Merson?
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 10:26:22 PM
I hope Moshies is with his Russian mate securing another manager
he can fuck off too the phone in cunt
Post by: Silas on October 01, 2017, 10:30:14 PM
Post by: TSGun on October 01, 2017, 10:30:52 PM
There's a growing sense of desperation surrounding the club that doesn't bode well for those deemed accountable.
Is he on borrowed time? Might just be.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 10:31:39 PM
When the manager makes the changes many wanted and we still play poorly and don't get a result you have to start worrying that it isn't going to work for him here. Even when it looks like he's getting it right it's turning out wrong
I think we are now currently fucked. Im not convinced we can actually field a balanced 11 unless we fill an awful lot of positions with young players.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 10:34:37 PM
Post by: Evertonian in NC on October 01, 2017, 10:35:29 PM
I think we are now currently fucked. Im not convinced we can actually field a balanced 11 unless we fill an awful lot of positions with young players.
why not go as young as possible at this point?
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 10:37:01 PM
We paid Martinez 10 million to fuck off, we paid Southampton 5 million for Koeman, now we will pay Koeman 10 million to fuck off , what a shambles !
This is about the strength of it. We're still a small club playing at being a big boy. Making costly errors in appointments and contract terms.
Post by: Confucius on October 01, 2017, 10:37:35 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 10:37:41 PM
And/or get Unsworth in.
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 01, 2017, 10:38:11 PM
If that means what I think it means you should know better than joking about stuff like that, especially at your age, grow up
It does and no.. so fuck off
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 10:38:37 PM
I hope Moshies is with his Russian mate securing another managerOr a fuckin hitman
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:39:42 PM
It does and no.. so fuck off
I hope nothing like that ever affects any of your family you pathetic man
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 10:40:20 PM
why not go as young as possible at this point?
Probably nowt to lose. The problem is if we start with Davies, Lookman, DCL and Kenny and they have an off day we are gonna get thumped. All have played well at times but all have been dreadful at others.
Post by: Escla on October 01, 2017, 10:41:17 PM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 10:41:51 PM
This is about the strength of it. We're still a small club playing at being a big boy. Making costly errors in appointments and contract terms.
Never wanted him here. Struck me as a safe appointment. A decent manager without the imagination to be great. Turns out I overhyped him
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 10:42:57 PM
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 10:43:59 PM
I hope nothing like that ever affects any of your family you pathetic man
Calm down, mate, he wasn't advocating Saville's behaviour.
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 01, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
The really really worrying thing is even if he brings in a striker like Geroud in January that won't make one iota of difference, I doubt even that if we had held on to Lukaku we would be doing any better with this set up and the players he has brought in.
Think a paceless targetman (alone) would make thinks worse. We need 2 pacy wingers, we need some drive in midfield, we need 2 more full backs. Cant believe someone thought paceless recruitment was wise
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 10:44:30 PM
Everybody including me thought Barkley is thick... seems like he is the only one who knew what was coming. Koeman has to go. Really has to go. ASAP! Use some of that $60m line of credit to pay him off. There are good managers out there without a job currently. Get one of them.Sorry no everybody didn't, some stuck by him and have always thought Koeman the problem..
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:45:04 PM
Post by: Everton Mint on October 01, 2017, 10:45:05 PM
Looks like a positive change in formation and personnel.
But guys, dont get wound up if we're not that great. Confidence is low and some players havent played together.
And remember Burnley are no mugs... they drew at Lpool & Spurs.
Think I had it sussed pre-game.
Post by: indiantoffee1975 on October 01, 2017, 10:48:25 PM
Post by: TheTone on October 01, 2017, 10:49:54 PM
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 10:51:19 PM
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 10:51:56 PM
This is about the strength of it. We're still a small club playing at being a big boy. Making costly errors in appointments and contract terms.
To be fair, no one on here has a clue what the termination clauses are in Koeman's contract. There could easily be a clause saying something like if you're in the bottom 5 after 10 games you can be fired with only £1m payable.
Obviously I'm making the numbers up but it's not a given that you fire a manager and then have to pay out the full remainder of their contract term.
Post by: toffee_scot on October 01, 2017, 10:53:47 PM
He's starting to sound as desperate as the last Everton manager just before he got the sack.
Post by: Toddacelli on October 01, 2017, 10:54:12 PM
Officially crisis mode for me now.Yes. This is rapidly becoming a crisis.
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 10:54:50 PM
To be fair, no one on here has a clue what the termination clauses are in Koeman's contract. There could easily be a clause saying something like if you're in the bottom 5 after 10 games you can be fired with only £1m payable.
Obviously I'm making the numbers up but it's not a given that you fire a manager and then have to pay out the full remainder of their contract term.
We have form in doing exactly that and the fact we had to pay so much to get him I would be surprised if he came for a contract that had an escape route for us.
Post by: sixymack on October 01, 2017, 10:57:14 PM
Post by: Ell Capitan on October 01, 2017, 10:57:17 PM
We have form in doing exactly that and the fact we had to pay so much to get him I would be surprised if he came for a contract that had an escape route for us.
I'd like to think with Moshiri, an accountant, in charge, we'd have a bit more nous in the negotiation department on this kind of thing than Kenwright had in the past.
But as I said, none of us know. It's all guesswork.
De Boer for example only received £2m payoff when he had a contract totalling £6m.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 10:57:58 PM
Post by: Ravardo on October 01, 2017, 10:58:56 PM
Yes. This is rapidly becoming a crisis.
We havent won in 23 away games and its now happerning at home weve been in a crisis since last season
Post by: Robioto on October 01, 2017, 11:01:52 PM
Post by: Lxxx on October 01, 2017, 11:04:14 PM
Fuck Everton at the moment, at least my roast lamb was nice...
My missus has us on a meat-free week this week. I've got a Sunday roast with no roast. Great. Bottle of red it is then.
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 11:04:18 PM
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11063343/koeman-understands-fans8217-frustration
He's starting to sound as desperate as the last Everton manager just before he got the sack.
When I read 'Sky Sports' and 'understands' I thought it would be that he was getting the bullet
Post by: pjk on October 01, 2017, 11:04:57 PM
Post by: Escla on October 01, 2017, 11:07:53 PM
Post by: Smingers on October 01, 2017, 11:09:47 PM
We havent won in 23 away games and its now happerning at home weve been in a crisis since last season
Relegation fodder
Post by: Mac934 on October 01, 2017, 11:13:12 PM
Post by: brap2 on October 01, 2017, 11:31:15 PM
Post by: Cuttyblue on October 01, 2017, 11:33:56 PM
We havent won in 23 away games and its now happerning at home weve been in a crisis since last season
23 away draws/losses? Is that just Prem or all comps?
Shocking, maybe it is a crisis
Post by: sam of the south on October 01, 2017, 11:33:57 PM
Surprised at how unarsed I am actually.
Yeah, I'm a bit numb to it.
Like the last months of Martinez.
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 01, 2017, 11:37:34 PM
We havent won in 23 away games and its now happerning at home weve been in a crisis since last seasonFor some to realise Goodison would have to become an archaeological dig site.
Post by: toffee_scot on October 01, 2017, 11:38:09 PM
23 away draws/losses? Is that just Prem or all comps?
Shocking, maybe it is a crisis
We did beat Rozemberok 1-0 away, otherwise yeah that is a shocking record for a club like Everton.
Post by: Paddockoldie on October 01, 2017, 11:38:57 PM
I hope nothing like that ever affects any of your family you pathetic man
There's many a stand up making a good living saying similar and worse.. it was said in humour but you turned it in to something it wasn't so my response is the same as the last.
Post by: Realist on October 01, 2017, 11:51:12 PM
There's many a stand up making a good living saying similar and worse.. it was said in humour but you turned it in to something it wasn't so my response is the same as the last.
I can tell what type of person you are just from your last few posts
Have a lovely evening
Post by: charlatan on October 02, 2017, 12:01:41 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 02, 2017, 12:05:02 AM
lol, Dyche is trolling us now.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 02, 2017, 12:05:55 AM
lol he ended it saying. the stuff and everything is not in my hands..
well Mr Koeman.. who is the manager? what is the manager supposed to do?
Post by: hill135 on October 02, 2017, 12:20:48 AM
Would you fire him?
I'd be drawing up a shortlist and making discreet calls while I mulled it over.
Bayern want Tuchel apparently. How about Julian Nagelsmann then?
Post by: DanDan on October 02, 2017, 12:42:32 AM
We havent won in 23 away games and its now happerning at home weve been in a crisis since last season
I'm sorry but that's bullshit!
It's only 11 away league games without a win
Post by: Simon Paul on October 02, 2017, 12:43:13 AM
Post by: bluenuck on October 02, 2017, 12:59:18 AM
Koeman calling Everton "Everton" rather than "us" again to distance himself from the absolute shit storm he has put in front of us
Ha. I'm not the only one that noticed that then.
Post by: bluenuck on October 02, 2017, 01:04:30 AM
I'd be drawing up a shortlist and making discreet calls while I mulled it over
Wouldn't doubt that that's what's going to be done in the next two weeks.
If results aren't there after the next few games then I think we have to pull the trigger.
It's not going to be easy though. We have Chelsea, Lyon and arsenal coming up. This is why you have to beat burnley at home.
Post by: Ravardo on October 02, 2017, 01:07:37 AM
I'm sorry but that's bullshit!
It's only 11 away league games without a win
I heard that from a commentator a couple a games ago...looking back to the start of last season till now out of 27 away games weve won 6,,4 of those were in the first 8 games last season
Post by: BlueForYou on October 02, 2017, 01:14:48 AM
Anything Burnley can do........................... .....
Post by: Simon Paul on October 02, 2017, 01:40:22 AM
https://twitter.com/nsno/status/914560376175554560
Post by: everton1952 on October 02, 2017, 02:12:19 AM
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 02, 2017, 02:16:03 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 02, 2017, 02:23:35 AM
all this pulling foreign names from a hat of available managers when you, we know fuck all about them, with the exception of Ancelotti who is hardly likely to consider a club of our status.
But you state you watch a lot of football, others watch alot of European football, some on this forum dont even live in this country (really!!!) they have seen the managers they rate, they have seen the teams of those managers progress,
Same as many have seen the under 23's and those same players play for the under 21 / under 20 England teams..
Opinions to hold weight, need to be based on facts... other wise. they mean jack :p
Post by: Lxxx on October 02, 2017, 02:44:02 AM
Post by: Macca77 on October 02, 2017, 02:45:17 AM
https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/21224802
Next manager odds
https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/21307446
Post by: Lxxx on October 02, 2017, 02:51:09 AM
This
https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/21224802
Next manager odds
https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/21307446
No-one jumping out at me there really.
Post by: plowman2 on October 02, 2017, 02:52:01 AM
Is it wrong to really like listening to Sean Dyche speak. He strikes me a bloke who has his head screwed on about football and plays it as most people see it. Refreshing.Is that a discreet proposal?
Post by: Toddacelli on October 02, 2017, 02:52:24 AM
This
https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/21224802
Next manager odds
https://m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/21307446
Fuck me - if he's ahead of Bilic then he's really in the shit.
Post by: Lxxx on October 02, 2017, 02:53:14 AM
Is that a discreet proposal?
More like an indecent proposal.
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 02, 2017, 02:53:45 AM
No-one jumping out at me there really.
I think Mr Loew would be interesting,
Post by: plowman2 on October 02, 2017, 02:53:53 AM
Post by: Lxxx on October 02, 2017, 02:55:26 AM
I think Mr Loew would be interesting,
Too many turtle neck jumpers for me.
Post by: Smingers on October 02, 2017, 03:06:07 AM
all this pulling foreign names from a hat of available managers when you, we know fuck all about them, with the exception of Ancelotti who is hardly likely to consider a club of our status.
Forget about status. Money talks mate. These days if the money is right anyone can go anywhere. Do you think Man City had pulling power when the sheikhs came to town? No. They had the money. They went straight out and bought Robinho. That's what we should have done this summer. We knew Rom was a gonner so we should have gone out and bought a marquee striker to replace. But we didn't. Now we have to wait til Jan to buy a top striker.
If we pay the right price we could get Ancellotti.
Post by: Tony Clifton on October 02, 2017, 03:08:52 AM
I think Mr Loew would be interesting,
He certainly is, um, interesting...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o72F7Yl8y35V5gCZO/giphy.gif)
Post by: TheTone on October 02, 2017, 03:11:46 AM
He certainly is, um, interesting...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o72F7Yl8y35V5gCZO/giphy.gif)
haha fucking hell
Post by: Faceatthefence on October 02, 2017, 03:11:54 AM
He certainly is, um, interesting...Homemade cheese fanatic eh!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o72F7Yl8y35V5gCZO/giphy.gif)
Post by: Realist on October 02, 2017, 03:13:19 AM
Forget about status. Money talks mate. These days if the money is right anyone can go anywhere. Do you think Man City had pulling power when the sheikhs came to town? No. They had the money. They went straight out and bought Robinho. That's what we should have done this summer. We knew Rom was a gonner so we should have gone out and bought a marquee striker to replace. But we didn't. Now we have to wait til Jan to buy a top striker.
If we pay the right price we could get Ancellotti.
🤦🏻♂️
Post by: TheTone on October 02, 2017, 03:13:41 AM
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 02, 2017, 03:32:12 AM
win win for me. :p
Post by: Bluedylan on October 02, 2017, 03:36:04 AM
Post by: KoemansNumberTens on October 02, 2017, 04:06:59 AM
Forget about status. Money talks mate. These days if the money is right anyone can go anywhere. Do you think Man City had pulling power when the sheikhs came to town? No. They had the money. They went straight out and bought Robinho. That's what we should have done this summer. We knew Rom was a gonner so we should have gone out and bought a marquee striker to replace. But we didn't. Now we have to wait til Jan to buy a top striker.
If we pay the right price we could get Ancellotti.
We can't do what city did. We could afford our Robinho but he was only tempted by the plan to burn through another billion.
Post by: Bally on October 02, 2017, 05:48:28 AM
He certainly is, um, interesting...My Mrs barely watches anything other than Everton, the three times she has watched games with him involved, he's done that. Hahaha
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o72F7Yl8y35V5gCZO/giphy.gif)
Post by: eyesalwaysblue on October 02, 2017, 06:13:50 AM