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Title: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: plumber on September 29, 2017, 07:08:57 PM
Would be interesting.

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As yet the 64 year old oligarch has not accepted the bid, and is holding out for improved terms. However, the temptation that he could sell and immediately reinvest into Everton, teaming up with Moshiri once again, is obvious.

http://news.arseblog.com/2017/09/kroenke-turns-the-tables-and-makes-bid-for-usmanovs-shares/
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 29, 2017, 07:15:10 PM
Just what we needed today, some trolling..

in all fairness tho, if this actually happens we should go up a few gears in all aspects of the business.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Mayor Farnum on September 30, 2017, 02:14:41 AM
I've heard the first thing he will do is put Unsworth in charge of team affairs.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: SteB on September 30, 2017, 07:10:41 AM
That link's not working, here you go... 

http://news.arseblog.com/2017/09/kroenke-turns-the-tables-and-makes-bid-for-usmanovs-shares/

(this one's not working for me either now but I don't know how to delete the bugger!)
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: SANA_DR0 on September 30, 2017, 07:22:01 AM
just did a quick search

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4578688/stan-kroenke-take-over-arsenal-alisher-usmanov/

express is carrying this too, but their page is glitchy as fuck

sorry for the sun link :/
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Polledreng on September 30, 2017, 01:31:18 PM
That was a very interesting post to check this morning @plumber (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=707) Perhaps we will se name changes everywhere and not only at Finch Farm  ;)
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Cozzie on September 30, 2017, 01:37:24 PM
Can only be good for the club.

Hope it happens.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: phillyt on September 30, 2017, 04:38:54 PM
The articles in the nationals are just picking up the arseblog comments, no extra info as far as I can see.

I imagine as a fan site they detest kroenke, a bit like the brighter evertonians donít like kenwright being involved at our club. So they are running with an article they may know or at least suspect is speculation/rumour/Chinese whispers. There may be a modicum of truth in it but itís either done and dusted, or in the very early stages of negotiation.

The purpose? To whip up anti kroenke feeling and mobilise protests against the ownership/board.

Even if this does go the way we want it to we are looking a while into the future.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: 74Blue on September 30, 2017, 06:12:42 PM
I imagine as a fan site they detest kroenke, a bit like the brighter evertonians donít like kenwright being involved at our club.
Are you accusing me of being a little thick here?
I am far from stupid, yet I have no issue at all with Bill Kenwright having an involvement at Everton Football Club.
Over the years, he has been absolutely lambasted for trying to run the club on a shoestring. However, lets not forget the state of the club when he took over control from that massive Park Foods Fucktard Peter Johnson. Kenwright said from day one that he was merely a custodian until the right person came along to take over. I admire his bravery in sticking to his guns & not just selling out to any fool with a few quid, who fancied a bit of a vanity project. Farhad Moshiri has invested heavily in the club and obviously must see something in Kenwright that makes him feel comfortable having him around the place.
It is quite well documented that executives at other clubs don't particularly enjoy dealing with Kenwright as he is apparently a very tough negotiator. The fact that he is not a multi-billionaire, who wants to put all of his spare cash into the club does not mean that our club is not dear to him. He is an Everton fan, who had the opportunity to run the club and seized it with both hands. He gave it everything that he had, but didn't have the financial clout to bankroll signing after signing.
When you look at the bigger picture, Kenwright's tenure has not been a complete disaster, more a slow steadying of the ship. There have been a lot of mistakes made, and a fair few failures, but we are certainly stronger now than we were under the fucking "Love to Shop" voucher king. Now he was a complete and utter fucking bellend!
BK's detractors will constantly use the failed stadium bids as their stick to beat him with. It's true, those bids did fail and at the time it did feel like a disaster. However, wait until we are sat in our seats overlooking the Royal Blue Mersey in our brand new dock home and tell me then was it such a disaster that we didn't get a generic bowl in Kirkby town Centre or a stadium on the site of the Echo Arena. If anything, BK was perhaps naiive in giving us the opportunity to vote on whether or not we wanted a stadium move ahead of the Kirkby fiasco. Most owners would have just announced that the club were relocating to a new stadium and done it anyway.
In terms of stuff that he's got absolutely spot on over the years. We do things with class and dignity:
Appointing David Moyes. He was exactly what we needed at the time and did a fantastic job here. The only criticism of this is that BK kept him here a little too long and maybe should have got shut of him long before he resigned.
Everton in the Community.
Anytime that he has made any sort of speech related to Hillsborough - one that he made at the memorial service at Anfield a few years ago springs immediately to mind
The way that the club did something a little different to everybody else and instead of playing "You'll never walk alone" played "He ain't Heavy, he's my brother". That captured the mood and summed up the class and dignity of our great club perfectly and I guarantee that there was not a dry eye in the house that evening.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: phillyt on September 30, 2017, 06:43:03 PM
Are you accusing me of being a little thick here?
I am far from stupid, yet I have no issue at all with Bill Kenwright having an involvement at Everton Football Club.
Over the years, he has been absolutely lambasted for trying to run the club on a shoestring. However, lets not forget the state of the club when he took over control from that massive Park Foods Fucktard Peter Johnson. Kenwright said from day one that he was merely a custodian until the right person came along to take over. I admire his bravery in sticking to his guns & not just selling out to any fool with a few quid, who fancied a bit of a vanity project. Farhad Moshiri has invested heavily in the club and obviously must see something in Kenwright that makes him feel comfortable having him around the place.
It is quite well documented that executives at other clubs don't particularly enjoy dealing with Kenwright as he is apparently a very tough negotiator. The fact that he is not a multi-billionaire, who wants to put all of his spare cash into the club does not mean that our club is not dear to him. He is an Everton fan, who had the opportunity to run the club and seized it with both hands. He gave it everything that he had, but didn't have the financial clout to bankroll signing after signing.
When you look at the bigger picture, Kenwright's tenure has not been a complete disaster, more a slow steadying of the ship. There have been a lot of mistakes made, and a fair few failures, but we are certainly stronger now than we were under the fucking "Love to Shop" voucher king. Now he was a complete and utter fucking bellend!
BK's detractors will constantly use the failed stadium bids as their stick to beat him with. It's true, those bids did fail and at the time it did feel like a disaster. However, wait until we are sat in our seats overlooking the Royal Blue Mersey in our brand new dock home and tell me then was it such a disaster that we didn't get a generic bowl in Kirkby town Centre or a stadium on the site of the Echo Arena. If anything, BK was perhaps naiive in giving us the opportunity to vote on whether or not we wanted a stadium move ahead of the Kirkby fiasco. Most owners would have just announced that the club were relocating to a new stadium and done it anyway.
In terms of stuff that he's got absolutely spot on over the years. We do things with class and dignity:
Appointing David Moyes. He was exactly what we needed at the time and did a fantastic job here. The only criticism of this is that BK kept him here a little too long and maybe should have got shut of him long before he resigned.
Everton in the Community.
Anytime that he has made any sort of speech related to Hillsborough - one that he made at the memorial service at Anfield a few years ago springs immediately to mind
The way that the club did something a little different to everybody else and instead of playing "You'll never walk alone" played "He ain't Heavy, he's my brother". That captured the mood and summed up the class and dignity of our great club perfectly and I guarantee that there was not a dry eye in the house that evening.

Why shouldnít the stadium moves be used to criticise kenwright. Thatís like me asking a bird if she fancies me but demanding she ignores the fact Iím fat and ugly. Itís a key consideration.

did he have the foresight or any of the boards he was involved in to buy up land around GP to build a bigger footprint. The likes of spurs/United/Chelsea/Liverpool have all done that. Instead they have let Goodison Park to fall to into a state unacceptable level of disrepair. They couldnít even build the annexe because of the interesting way he was funding the club.

no matter how you look at it the kings dock is a far superior location for a football stadium than bramley moor. Donít forget how bill lied to us about having the money for this (£30m, yes £30 fucking million pounds). We would have been in there in 2005/6 I think. So 12 years of stadium revenue missed out on. Itís proximity to the city center, itís ease of access from all directions, it would have been the new heartbeat of the city. Also donít forget how he chased Paul gregg out because he was going to borrow the money, borrowed the money anyway on a ridiculous mortgage and bought us some pretty blue stones.

Then we have the totally unacceptable situation of Kirkby. The lies about it being free, the taking us out of the city boundary. The lies about GP safety certificates. He was going to destroy the foundations of this club All for a potential 5/6m a year extra.

Leading us to the disastrous, and also apparantly free new stadium. Not worth commenting any further on tbh.
Why on earth would you not use this as a stick to beat him with?

He allowed Phil green to become an integral part of the club, he gave him control all because he stayed as the figurehead. Years of financial mismanagement lead to that situation, and more followed it.

David moyes had to sell a promising young player once to cover the repair/relaying of the pitch. Had years of negative net spend because kenwrights inability to generate funds, coupled with increasing and crippling repayment on wongaesque loans and the blue pebble mortgage.

Bill kenwright took this club to the brink of administration more than once. To a position that the club could only operate with loans from shady high interest year to year borrowing.
His legacy is one of abstract failure.

He nearly sold to a fella in a Bedsit, he turned away cities sheiks and (I think I read somewhere) abromovich.

You mention Johnson and yes he was a kopite twat. He did however build the park end which is more than billy the blue has ever done for this club.

The sooner that man is a distant memory to this club the better. If it wasnít for his ego we would be sat in a nice dockside stadium already.

L
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: BlueBeagle on September 30, 2017, 06:55:54 PM
The sooner that man is a distant memory to this club the better. If it wasnít for his ego we would be sat in a nice dockside stadium already.

L

He stood in the boys pen though
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: blargins on September 30, 2017, 07:00:51 PM
Awesome, finish fourth and win the odd cup would be so much better than this.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Realist on September 30, 2017, 10:05:20 PM
Are you accusing me of being a little thick here?
I am far from stupid, yet I have no issue at all with Bill Kenwright having an involvement at Everton Football Club.
Over the years, he has been absolutely lambasted for trying to run the club on a shoestring. However, lets not forget the state of the club when he took over control from that massive Park Foods Fucktard Peter Johnson. Kenwright said from day one that he was merely a custodian until the right person came along to take over. I admire his bravery in sticking to his guns & not just selling out to any fool with a few quid, who fancied a bit of a vanity project. Farhad Moshiri has invested heavily in the club and obviously must see something in Kenwright that makes him feel comfortable having him around the place.
It is quite well documented that executives at other clubs don't particularly enjoy dealing with Kenwright as he is apparently a very tough negotiator. The fact that he is not a multi-billionaire, who wants to put all of his spare cash into the club does not mean that our club is not dear to him. He is an Everton fan, who had the opportunity to run the club and seized it with both hands. He gave it everything that he had, but didn't have the financial clout to bankroll signing after signing.
When you look at the bigger picture, Kenwright's tenure has not been a complete disaster, more a slow steadying of the ship. There have been a lot of mistakes made, and a fair few failures, but we are certainly stronger now than we were under the fucking "Love to Shop" voucher king. Now he was a complete and utter fucking bellend!
BK's detractors will constantly use the failed stadium bids as their stick to beat him with. It's true, those bids did fail and at the time it did feel like a disaster. However, wait until we are sat in our seats overlooking the Royal Blue Mersey in our brand new dock home and tell me then was it such a disaster that we didn't get a generic bowl in Kirkby town Centre or a stadium on the site of the Echo Arena. If anything, BK was perhaps naiive in giving us the opportunity to vote on whether or not we wanted a stadium move ahead of the Kirkby fiasco. Most owners would have just announced that the club were relocating to a new stadium and done it anyway.
In terms of stuff that he's got absolutely spot on over the years. We do things with class and dignity:
Appointing David Moyes. He was exactly what we needed at the time and did a fantastic job here. The only criticism of this is that BK kept him here a little too long and maybe should have got shut of him long before he resigned.
Everton in the Community.
Anytime that he has made any sort of speech related to Hillsborough - one that he made at the memorial service at Anfield a few years ago springs immediately to mind
The way that the club did something a little different to everybody else and instead of playing "You'll never walk alone" played "He ain't Heavy, he's my brother". That captured the mood and summed up the class and dignity of our great club perfectly and I guarantee that there was not a dry eye in the house that evening.

Kenwright is a cunt
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Macca77 on September 30, 2017, 10:26:11 PM
Its not happening lads
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: 74Blue on September 30, 2017, 10:44:08 PM
Why shouldnít the stadium moves be used to criticise kenwright. Thatís like me asking a bird if she fancies me but demanding she ignores the fact Iím fat and ugly. Itís a key consideration.
I did quite clearly state that it hadn't all been rosy and that there had been mistakes made and failures during his tenure. It just seems that the haters are simply too blinkered to look beyond the failed Stadium moves and see that the club has moved forward in other ways.
did he have the foresight or any of the boards he was involved in to buy up land around GP to build a bigger footprint. The likes of spurs/United/Chelsea/Liverpool have all done that. Instead they have let Goodison Park to fall to into a state unacceptable level of disrepair. They couldnít even build the annexe because of the interesting way he was funding the club.
Did Peter Johnson have the foresight to build a new Park End stand that was capable of being extended in the future? That stand was funded mostly from FA grants to bring clubs into line with the all-seated stadia ruling. The club were given some options at the time and Mr Park Foods went for the cheapest option that was pretty much fully funded because he didn't want to spend any cash on it. He also had plans to put the away fans right up in the very corner of the top balcony, out of the way. Now that would have been fun wouldn't it? Yeah, Peter Johnson was a genius.
You mentioned Liverpool buying up land. Any idea how long that took, and how much assistance they needed from the local authority to get that done? Any idea how much discontent it caused in the area around the stadium? Liverpool were also redeveloping bits of their stadium long before BK took the reins at Everton, so perhaps you should also be aiming your vitriol in this respect at previous custodians of Everton Football Club. For instance, what was formerly the Kemlyn Road stand at the shit-pit is now 25 years old. Built in 1992, hence the "Centenary Stand".
no matter how you look at it the kings dock is a far superior location for a football stadium than bramley moor. Donít forget how bill lied to us about having the money for this (£30m, yes £30 fucking million pounds). We would have been in there in 2005/6 I think. So 12 years of stadium revenue missed out on. Itís proximity to the city center, itís ease of access from all directions, it would have been the new heartbeat of the city. Also donít forget how he chased Paul gregg out because he was going to borrow the money, borrowed the money anyway on a ridiculous mortgage and bought us some pretty blue pebbles
Is it really? I  take it that you don't ever venture along the surrounding routes when there's a concert on for 9000 people. Now take that chaos and multiply by six, then add in the normal city centre shoppers on a typical Saturday afternoon and you may just reconsider that comment. This time around with the Bramley More Dock, there are already massive plans in place for infrastructure around the development that were happening anyway because of the multi-billion pounds worth of investment that Peel holdings have been working on attracting into this area as part of their Peel Waters project. Not only does this impact the Liverpool City region, but will also have a massive impact on South Sefton and will potentially see hundreds of millions of pounds worth of investment attracted to Bootle, which is in dire need of development. Sefton Council have already rendered their vision for Sefton 2030 and much of this is based upon the development of the dock area spilling into South Sefton. Everton building a stadium on the dock is merely a catalyst to bring some of the already planned development along. This time around, it would seem that everybody has done their homework and can see that a move to Bramley More will bring Everton a shiny new home, with additional revenue and will deliver benefits to North Liverpool and South Sefton. I don't  believe that similar plans were in place already for Kings Dock.
Then we have the totally unacceptable situation of Kirkby. The lies about it being free, the taking us out of the city boundary. The lies about GP safety certificates. He was going to destroy the foundations of this club All for a potential 5/6m a year extra
The "lies about GP safety certificates, I wouldn't be shouting too loud about tbh. I have a sneaking suspicion that there are more and more compromises reached with the council every year to get that safety certificate through. We have wooden stands on one side of the ground and a stand that is far too steep to pass current building regs on the other side, along with the other issues that go with a pretty old structure and you think the council just come along and tick the box every year? I'm pretty sure that the club have to spend an absolute fuck-ton of cash every year on maintenance and repairs just to get GP through the Safety Certificate, so I think that calling it lies is possibly a little strong tbh.
Leading us to the disastrous, and also apparantly free new stadium. Not worth commenting any further on tbh.
Why on earth would you not use this as a stick to beat him with?
I was not too keen on the idea of a non-descript Tesco box on the middle of Kirkby either. The area where I live is not really my idea of paradise either, but it's where I can afford to live. Sometimes we all have to cut our cloth to suit our finances. I don't disagree that there were failings where the Kirkby project was concerned, but I also think that Tesco were just as culpable as Everton in this regard.
He allowed Phil green to become an integral part of the club, he gave him control all because he stayed as the figurehead. Years of financial mismanagement lead to that situation, and more followed it.

David moyes had to sell a promising young player once to cover the repair/relaying of the pitch. Had years of negative net spend because kenwrights inability to generate funds, coupled with increasing and crippling repayment on wongaesque loans and the blue pebble mortgage.

Bill kenwright took this club to the brink of administration more than once. To a position that the club could only operate with loans from shady high interest year to year borrowing.
His legacy is one of abstract failure.
The club's financial mismanagement was there long before BK took over. The previous custodians had fucked Everton's finances over good and proper long before BK took the helm. You don't pull a business out of financial shit in a day. It can take years.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: phillyt on September 30, 2017, 11:34:05 PM
I did quite clearly state that it hadn't all been rosy and that there had been mistakes made and failures during his tenure. It just seems that the haters are simply too blinkered to look beyond the failed Stadium moves and see that the club has moved forward in other ways.Did Peter Johnson have the foresight to build a new Park End stand that was capable of being extended in the future? That stand was funded mostly from FA grants to bring clubs into line with the all-seated stadia ruling. The club were given some options at the time and Mr Park Foods went for the cheapest option that was pretty much fully funded because he didn't want to spend any cash on it. He also had plans to put the away fans right up in the very corner of the top balcony, out of the way. Now that would have been fun wouldn't it? Yeah, Peter Johnson was a genius.
You mentioned Liverpool buying up land. Any idea how long that took, and how much assistance they needed from the local authority to get that done? Any idea how much discontent it caused in the area around the stadium? Liverpool were also redeveloping bits of their stadium long before BK took the reins at Everton, so perhaps you should also be aiming your vitriol in this respect at previous custodians of Everton Football Club. For instance, what was formerly the Kemlyn Road stand at the shit-pit is now 25 years old. Built in 1992, hence the "Centenary Stand".Is it really? I  take it that you don't ever venture along the surrounding routes when there's a concert on for 9000 people. Now take that chaos and multiply by six, then add in the normal city centre shoppers on a typical Saturday afternoon and you may just reconsider that comment. This time around with the Bramley More Dock, there are already massive plans in place for infrastructure around the development that were happening anyway because of the multi-billion pounds worth of investment that Peel holdings have been working on attracting into this area as part of their Peel Waters project. Not only does this impact the Liverpool City region, but will also have a massive impact on South Sefton and will potentially see hundreds of millions of pounds worth of investment attracted to Bootle, which is in dire need of development. Sefton Council have already rendered their vision for Sefton 2030 and much of this is based upon the development of the dock area spilling into South Sefton. Everton building a stadium on the dock is merely a catalyst to bring some of the already planned development along. This time around, it would seem that everybody has done their homework and can see that a move to Bramley More will bring Everton a shiny new home, with additional revenue and will deliver benefits to North Liverpool and South Sefton. I don't  believe that similar plans were in place already for Kings Dock.The "lies about GP safety certificates, I wouldn't be shouting too loud about tbh. I have a sneaking suspicion that there are more and more compromises reached with the council every year to get that safety certificate through. We have wooden stands on one side of the ground and a stand that is far too steep to pass current building regs on the other side, along with the other issues that go with a pretty old structure and you think the council just come along and tick the box every year? I'm pretty sure that the club have to spend an absolute fuck-ton of cash every year on maintenance and repairs just to get GP through the Safety Certificate, so I think that calling it lies is possibly a little strong tbh.I was not too keen on the idea of a non-descript Tesco box on the middle of Kirkby either. The area where I live is not really my idea of paradise either, but it's where I can afford to live. Sometimes we all have to cut our cloth to suit our finances. I don't disagree that there were failings where the Kirkby project was concerned, but I also think that Tesco were just as culpable as Everton in this regard.The club's financial mismanagement was there long before BK took over. The previous custodians had fucked Everton's finances over good and proper long before BK took the helm. You don't pull a business out of financial shit in a day. It can take years.
Iím not sure I know any of kenwrights detractors who wonít look beyond the stadium failures. It is however one of the key issues, so is going to take a huge chunk of discussion time up.
Explain to me how kenwright has moved the Club forward in any way whatsoever. Please donít confuse the huge increases in broadcast revenue with kenwrights being successful. I will agree the pastoral side of the club with efpf and Eitc we have led the way but that doesnít help us compete and Iím not sure how much input kenwright had into the inception of those, in particular the efpf.

I never said Johnson was perfect, just that he did more for the club. The decision to do the park end on the cheap was a poor one but at least it was something and a huge improvement on the stand previously there. What did kenwright do? A couple of pebbles and banners? You mention previous boards forgetting that kenwright was a senior board member throughout the 90s and maybe the 80s?

I appreciate the unrest Liverpool caused in the tactics they used to expand anfield and would be disappointed if we had done it the same way. That said itís not the only way to do it is it.

In terms of the kings dock I would absolutely prefer that as a location. The majority of fans would use public transport and walk down. There also would have been infrastructure improvements to enable the extra pressure. Iím not complaining at the Bramley moor project in anyway, Iím just pointing out that for Everton and everyone fans the kings dock would have been a superior location.

You mention the mismanagement of the club being a problem that was preceding the kenwright era. First of all i would suggest that relative to other clubs we were doing ok, not the best but for from the worst, during the kenwright era the football world relied more on money and this increased year on year. This is were we fell behind. Iím a good blue, I love the club dearly. The thing is thatís not enough and Iíd like to think if I was running the club and could cope anymore Iíd let it go. I wouldnít lie and cheat and beg, steal and borrow to keep my hands on. So ask yourself who has kenwright done that for? The fans or himself? My opinion is he is an egotistical buffoon who let his arrogance dictate his actions rather than what was actually best for this club.



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Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Cozzie on October 04, 2017, 02:47:24 AM
https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/status/915282654030909440
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Macca77 on October 04, 2017, 02:50:07 AM
Interesting
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Everton Mint on October 04, 2017, 03:16:05 AM
Usmanov in, Koeman out... we can dream ! ;)
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Brownie20 on October 04, 2017, 04:47:50 AM
The Russians are coming.....maybe?

http://dailycannon.com/2017/10/pavel-kucherov-joins-everton/
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Lincs Toffee on October 04, 2017, 04:50:56 AM
Shit is happening behind the scenes that I'm sure... what the fuck it is I have no idea but I think it can only be good for us as a club
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: TheTone on October 04, 2017, 04:56:13 AM
The Russians are coming.....maybe?

http://dailycannon.com/2017/10/pavel-kucherov-joins-everton/

that's it then, Koeman, Moscow
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Ross on October 04, 2017, 10:40:59 PM
Not happening.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41503695
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: plumber on October 04, 2017, 11:30:20 PM
He's shit anyway.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: The Analog Kid on October 04, 2017, 11:32:58 PM
How does a club and its board operate like that when they clearly donít get on?
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Brownie20 on October 04, 2017, 11:36:33 PM
Not happening.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41503695

Or first refusal to drive up the price
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Ross on October 04, 2017, 11:42:48 PM
Or first refusal to drive up the price

Not sure what you mean?
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Brownie20 on October 04, 2017, 11:45:59 PM
Not sure what you mean?

It's well known that the two of them don't speak to each other directly. If Stan the man is making a bid for AU's shares then it's going to be a long drawn out process. He's not going to sell cheaply if he is selling. So he comes out with the I'm not in talks to sell line to the fans. Stan is never going to let AU buy his shares, so he's going to have to go big to get them. Let the dance begin
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: brap2 on October 04, 2017, 11:58:52 PM
It is mad that since the first rumours so many dominoes have fallen into place for the "in by christmas" stuff.

Personally though I can't see it. Not sure what the Arsenal power struggle is all about, don't feel like either of them is on to a winner really...but I feel for sure that Everton aren't.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Ross on October 05, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
It's well known that the two of them don't speak to each other directly. If Stan the man is making a bid for AU's shares then it's going to be a long drawn out process. He's not going to sell cheaply if he is selling. So he comes out with the I'm not in talks to sell line to the fans. Stan is never going to let AU buy his shares, so he's going to have to go big to get them. Let the dance begin

Not sure. Heís said heís only interested in doing things for the benefit for the club and working towards the same aims as the Arsenal Supportersí Trust, which is opposed to Kroenke, which obviously doesnít fit together with him selling at any price to him. He also states heís willing to buy more shares himself.

Itís just the same posturing thatís been going on for the last 10 years.

Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 05, 2017, 12:10:31 AM
Not happening.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41503695
?

your post killed what i was going to write!

'wheres the Usmanov money Bill??'
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Brownie20 on October 05, 2017, 12:12:47 AM
Not sure. Heís said heís only interested in doing things for the benefit for the club and working towards the same aims as the Arsenal Supportersí Trust, which is opposed to Kroenke, which obviously doesnít fit together with him selling at any price to him. He also states heís willing to buy more shares himself.

Itís just the same posturing thatís been going on for the last 10 years.


Not sure. Heís said heís only interested in doing things for the benefit for the club and working towards the same aims as the Arsenal Supportersí Trust, which is opposed to Kroenke, which obviously doesnít fit together with him selling at any price to him. He also states heís willing to buy more shares himself.

Itís just the same posturing thatís been going on for the last 10 years.



The last line is interesting though. He's not ruling out selling his stake
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 05, 2017, 05:27:25 PM
I feel its better like how it is atm, if Usmanov did become involved in Everton. we'd have trouble with USM and Sportpesa being sponsors, I feel its better if his name is officially off the books, then we can get money from his companies.

Also on Arsenal, it seems like Kroenkes' a dictator of sorts, and Usmanov doesnt want him to have sole ownership of the club, in the bbc link he states if someone comes along like him, who isnt willing to sell to Kroenke, then he will consider selling his share, he wants to do whats best for Arsenal in the long term and thats not letting someone have almost 100& control.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Escla on October 05, 2017, 05:40:46 PM
Not that it would ever happen but why on earth would there be trouble with Sportpensa if Usmanov came in ? Usmanov is a shareholder in Arsenal but not a sponsor, Sportpensa are also sponsors of Arsenal.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: blue1948 on October 05, 2017, 05:55:52 PM
Why shouldnít the stadium moves be used to criticise kenwright. Thatís like me asking a bird if she fancies me but demanding she ignores the fact Iím fat and ugly. Itís a key consideration.

did he have the foresight or any of the boards he was involved in to buy up land around GP to build a bigger footprint. The likes of spurs/United/Chelsea/Liverpool have all done that. Instead they have let Goodison Park to fall to into a state unacceptable level of disrepair. They couldnít even build the annexe because of the interesting way he was funding the club.

no matter how you look at it the kings dock is a far superior location for a football stadium than bramley moor. Donít forget how bill lied to us about having the money for this (£30m, yes £30 fucking million pounds). We would have been in there in 2005/6 I think. So 12 years of stadium revenue missed out on. Itís proximity to the city center, itís ease of access from all directions, it would have been the new heartbeat of the city. Also donít forget how he chased Paul gregg out because he was going to borrow the money, borrowed the money anyway on a ridiculous mortgage and bought us some pretty blue stones.

Then we have the totally unacceptable situation of Kirkby. The lies about it being free, the taking us out of the city boundary. The lies about GP safety certificates. He was going to destroy the foundations of this club All for a potential 5/6m a year extra.

Leading us to the disastrous, and also apparantly free new stadium. Not worth commenting any further on tbh.
Why on earth would you not use this as a stick to beat him with?

He allowed Phil green to become an integral part of the club, he gave him control all because he stayed as the figurehead. Years of financial mismanagement lead to that situation, and more followed it.

David moyes had to sell a promising young player once to cover the repair/relaying of the pitch. Had years of negative net spend because kenwrights inability to generate funds, coupled with increasing and crippling repayment on wongaesque loans and the blue pebble mortgage.

Bill kenwright took this club to the brink of administration more than once. To a position that the club could only operate with loans from shady high interest year to year borrowing.
His legacy is one of abstract failure.

He nearly sold to a fella in a Bedsit, he turned away cities sheiks and (I think I read somewhere) abromovich.

You mention Johnson and yes he was a kopite twat. He did however build the park end which is more than billy the blue has ever done for this club.

The sooner that man is a distant memory to this club the better. If it wasnít for his ego we would be sat in a nice dockside stadium already.

L
He also mortgaged his house to buy into Everton ,would you do that ?
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: phillyt on October 05, 2017, 06:18:14 PM
He also mortgaged his house to buy into Everton ,would you do that ?
Not sure if this is tongue in cheek or not but Iím pretty sure that this idea was either disproved/shown to be an extreme exaggeration. I believe it was watched toffee linking to relevent documents.

Now to answer your question, if I was the owner of Everton and my house was valued at enough to make mortgaging it and investing the money in The club then absolutely I would. However I would do it as a short term fix, having realised I have neither the financial clout or business ability to run a premier league football club. So much so that I have put the club in such a position that no further finance can be secured against the business and not enough revenue was being generated to cover operating costs I had to put my personal property as collateral.

So yes I would, but I would immediately put the club up for sale and listen to sensible offers for it, or allow my business partner to take over the running of the club.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 05, 2017, 06:26:34 PM
Not that it would ever happen but why on earth would there be trouble with Sportpensa if Usmanov came in ? Usmanov is a shareholder in Arsenal but not a sponsor, Sportpensa are also sponsors of Arsenal.

its whats happened with PSG/Qatar and with Man City/Etihad due to their chairmen owning the companies that sponsor the clubs.

Both deals where investigated,

Uefa boss to scrutinise Manchester City's Etihad deal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/14490740

Financial fair play: how can Manchester City still spend £130m in one window?
After initial success for Uefa in making clubs think seriously about their finances, a relaxation of restrictions and a glut of TV money has led to a new wave of lavish spending
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/02/financial-fair-play-manchester-city

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27243933
Paris St-Germain's £167m deal fails Uefa financial fair play rules



Sportpesa are the official African betting sponsor for Arsenal, they aren't the main sponsor, The main sponsor cant be owned by  the Chairman of the club/directors.

PSG and Man city have both been hit with fines/sanctions, yes they disregard most of them.. but do you want Everton to be in the same position?

wait dont answer that.. I can see what your doing here..
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 05, 2017, 07:26:14 PM
Think you're getting confused here mate.

Usmanov, nor any of his subsiduaries, have anything to do with Sportspesa. That's why @Escla (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5210)  asked about it specifically.
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: SANA_DR0 on October 05, 2017, 07:29:24 PM
Think you're getting confused here mate.

Usmanov, nor any of his subsiduaries, have anything to do with Sportspesa. That's why @Escla (http://www.nsno.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=5210)  asked about it specifically.

My bad, i presumed Sportpesa was to do with Usmanov or USM holdings..  thanks for making me research Sportpesa.. lol i should have done that before assuming :|
Title: Re: Kroenke buying Usmanov's shares
Post by: Mick 1995 on October 05, 2017, 07:31:22 PM
You're point regarding USM Finch Farm is still valid though